# FKN Classics Double! Gabriel Custodiet - Technocracy | Ole Dammegard - Laurel Canyon

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 13 Jun 2026, 2 h 07 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
[0:09] Speaker 1: I want to welcome Gabriel Custodiet. He is a host
[0:13] Speaker 1: of the Watchman Privacy podcast, which offers practical tactics to
[0:17] Speaker 1: evade surveillance while also exploring the technocratic agendas of the
[0:22] Speaker 1: powers that be. He recently published Privacy and Utopia, an
[0:27] Speaker 1: intellectual history that attempts to explain the death of privacy
[0:31] Speaker 1: by looking at its most recent origin, the rise of
[0:35] Speaker 1: utopianism in the late nineteenth century. Gabriel, welcome. How you doing.
[0:42] Speaker 2: Oh, I'm doing great. I'm doing great. There's a lot
[0:45] Speaker 2: out there in the dystopia, but also a lot of solutions,
[0:47] Speaker 2: so I'm sure we'll cover.
[0:49] Speaker 1: Both, definitely. I'm looking forward to getting into both, especially
[0:53] Speaker 1: the solutions part, which is much needed right now. And
[0:57] Speaker 1: we're going to share your research and insights into the
[1:00] Speaker 1: ever evolving surveillance technocratic state and the hidden dystopian agendas
[1:06] Speaker 1: that have been unfolding for a very long time, as
[1:10] Speaker 1: well as how to navigate these Orwellian waters and maybe
[1:14] Speaker 1: some possible solutions, like you said, to avoid some of
[1:18] Speaker 1: the coming chaos. Before we get too deep into this,
[1:21] Speaker 1: this is your first time on tell the audience a
[1:24] Speaker 1: little bit about yourself and what brought you to this work.
[1:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as the audience probably knows at this point,
[1:31] Speaker 2: I have a podcast, Watchman Privacy, and I talked about
[1:35] Speaker 2: all kinds of things pertaining to the technocracy and also
[1:38] Speaker 2: solutions for escaping it. So I think I have a
[1:40] Speaker 2: pretty interesting show, and we make some products as well,
[1:44] Speaker 2: Escape the Technocracy dot Com where we sell some courses
[1:46] Speaker 2: and books and resources to better inform you and to
[1:49] Speaker 2: help you to escape. So many years ago I became
[1:53] Speaker 2: interested in privacy just as a strategy, and I definitely
[1:57] Speaker 2: went down the rabbit hole and went really far. Okay,
[2:01] Speaker 2: so we're talking about getting off of big tech, all
[2:03] Speaker 2: big tech, including Windows, including Mac, got onto Linux. Basically,
[2:08] Speaker 2: don't really use a phone, I'm no social media, I
[2:14] Speaker 2: am cash only in person. Cryptocurrencies are a big interest
[2:18] Speaker 2: of mine in the digital realm, especially privacy focused ones
[2:22] Speaker 2: and home address big one. I don't know what it is.
[2:25] Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. I don't even know what my
[2:27] Speaker 2: home addresses. I don't give it out. All that good stuff,
[2:30] Speaker 2: and so as I went down that path, I obviously
[2:33] Speaker 2: learned I got a great thing about getting into privacies,
[2:36] Speaker 2: you learn alternatives. And once you start, let's say, for example,
[2:39] Speaker 2: just using a different search engine. Okay, you go from
[2:41] Speaker 2: Google to duc dot Go, maybe you end up on
[2:44] Speaker 2: yet another one, maybe like a Yandex or something. You
[2:47] Speaker 2: realize that you get a different experience of reality. You
[2:50] Speaker 2: end up on Rumble, you end up on bit shoot,
[2:52] Speaker 2: you end up on the different parts of the Internet.
[2:54] Speaker 2: And as I did that, I got into more freedom
[2:57] Speaker 2: oriented politics and into slightly more conspiratorial things and things
[3:02] Speaker 2: of this sort, and got a different perception of reality,
[3:05] Speaker 2: which only reinforced the importance of understanding the technocracy as
[3:10] Speaker 2: I call it, not my word, of course, and then
[3:12] Speaker 2: also how to escape it. So I started with privacy.
[3:14] Speaker 2: And then the funny thing is I realized, as I
[3:17] Speaker 2: got into privacy, Okay, let me build a brand that
[3:20] Speaker 2: shows people how to do it. So I started interview
[3:22] Speaker 2: I started writing my book Watchman Guide to Privacy. I
[3:25] Speaker 2: started to talk about these strategies on my show, on Twitter, etc.
[3:29] Speaker 2: A newsletter, whatever, And I start interviewing people as well,
[3:32] Speaker 2: grilling them on all the ways that we can be
[3:35] Speaker 2: private and if their services and products work. And as
[3:38] Speaker 2: I got into it, I realized there's not that many
[3:40] Speaker 2: people interested in privacy. I would go to some of
[3:43] Speaker 2: these groups and I would say, hey, you know, yeah,
[3:45] Speaker 2: it looks bleak this and that, but there's a solution.
[3:48] Speaker 2: And what I found is they weren't interested. A lot
[3:50] Speaker 2: of them were only there because they wanted to fill
[3:52] Speaker 2: their doom porn for the day, and they wanted to
[3:55] Speaker 2: be the cosmic victims. And I was kind of poking
[3:58] Speaker 2: their bubble a little bit and then so so that's
[4:00] Speaker 2: when I started pivoting a little bit and talking about
[4:02] Speaker 2: some of those things as well, which is also important.
[4:04] Speaker 2: I do think there are solutions, but I also just
[4:06] Speaker 2: talk about a whole assortment of things. On the show.
[4:09] Speaker 2: We had a whole episode on cults, for example, which
[4:12] Speaker 2: my colleague and I have I won't say too much,
[4:14] Speaker 2: but some experience with the topic. We talk about all
[4:20] Speaker 2: sorts of all sorts of topics AI, how to use
[4:23] Speaker 2: AI for yourself on your own computer. I had a
[4:26] Speaker 2: guy talking about the dirty things behind the scenes in
[4:30] Speaker 2: Silicon Valley. That was the one that just released today.
[4:32] Speaker 2: So we cover an assortment of topics really to technology,
[4:37] Speaker 2: also physical freedom, privacy, all these sorts of things. So
[4:42] Speaker 2: that's kind of where it started and how it evolved
[4:45] Speaker 2: to where it is today.
[4:46] Speaker 1: Excellent, that's a great introduction. Maybe we could start with
[4:51] Speaker 1: the most recent origins of some of these technocratic control
[4:57] Speaker 1: agendas where it starts, maybe a little timeline and some
[5:01] Speaker 1: of the highlights along the way, some of the big
[5:04] Speaker 1: players involved, things along those lines.
[5:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, so really important to understand history, to go back
[5:12] Speaker 2: in history. Obviously, the current moment is very pressing in
[5:15] Speaker 2: our minds, right because it's what's happening right now. But
[5:18] Speaker 2: the further back you go, the more you realize how
[5:21] Speaker 2: what the people in the past did really is entirely
[5:25] Speaker 2: what you're dependent on. T. S. Eliott has a good
[5:27] Speaker 2: line where he says, you know, some people say we
[5:30] Speaker 2: know so much more than the people who came before us. Well,
[5:33] Speaker 2: what is it that we know? We know them, right,
[5:36] Speaker 2: we know what they wrote, we know what they did, right,
[5:38] Speaker 2: that's what we know. And so that's a good kind
[5:41] Speaker 2: of call to understand history. So I wrote a book
[5:44] Speaker 2: as well. I also wanted to answer this question. I
[5:46] Speaker 2: wrote a book called Privacy and Utopia, and I tried
[5:50] Speaker 2: to go back and trace that the very clear origins
[5:53] Speaker 2: of the technocracy Obviously, we can go back very far.
[5:56] Speaker 2: You know, Plato's Republic. Key's trying to create this idea
[5:59] Speaker 2: of utopia where you have all these rulers at the
[6:01] Speaker 2: top and they're killing people who don't fit their model,
[6:06] Speaker 2: and all this sort of stuff, eugenics, et cetera. So
[6:08] Speaker 2: we can go back really far. But I think the
[6:11] Speaker 2: logical place for me was about one hundred years ago,
[6:13] Speaker 2: so the late nineteenth century. This is when things really
[6:16] Speaker 2: ramp up. And I do think that this is a
[6:18] Speaker 2: big step in humanity where suddenly, for example, Darwinism, we
[6:23] Speaker 2: understand things like heredity and what's really interesting. And you know,
[6:27] Speaker 2: up to that point, like, for example, up to the
[6:29] Speaker 2: sixteenth century, people didn't understand that the blood circulated around
[6:33] Speaker 2: the body, right, So we went through all of human history,
[6:36] Speaker 2: we didn't know that until the sixteenth century when somebody decided,
[6:39] Speaker 2: well let me cut somebody open and actually look into this, right,
[6:42] Speaker 2: we didn't know that the blood was circuling. So there
[6:44] Speaker 2: are a lot of things that do change in modernity,
[6:46] Speaker 2: much of the chagrin of the ancient historians that I
[6:50] Speaker 2: talked to that think that all these people figured everything out, Well,
[6:53] Speaker 2: there are things that change and one of them, for example,
[6:55] Speaker 2: is heredity, our understanding of heredity. And what's funny, Chris,
[6:58] Speaker 2: is that as soon as this happenapons so as we
[7:01] Speaker 2: understand heredity, Francis Galton, a big figure in eugenics, he
[7:08] Speaker 2: takes out a napkin and he writes on the napkin
[7:11] Speaker 2: eu genia. He comes up with eugenics right there, as
[7:14] Speaker 2: soon as he understands the mechanisms of heredity. And so
[7:18] Speaker 2: we have all these things happening. In the late nineteenth century,
[7:20] Speaker 2: we start to understand a lot more, and you know,
[7:22] Speaker 2: we have things like the telegraph is invented, and the
[7:25] Speaker 2: combustion engine becomes a thing. Now we can travel around
[7:27] Speaker 2: the world. Now we can easily get to Japan, right
[7:30] Speaker 2: and see what's going on in these places. Then we
[7:32] Speaker 2: can patrol land masses, and so nationalism becomes a thing,
[7:36] Speaker 2: and now we can police people, and now we can
[7:38] Speaker 2: communicate long distances, and now we can control and censor
[7:42] Speaker 2: and have, you know, guardians of the airwaves. Those kind
[7:47] Speaker 2: of immediately crop up. The totalitarian impulses crop up as
[7:51] Speaker 2: soon as these freedom technologies come about. So there's this
[7:55] Speaker 2: really interesting immediate origin of our technocratic world around this time,
[8:00] Speaker 2: So I talked about eugenics, you know, nationalism, you know,
[8:06] Speaker 2: just an immense array of knowledge and understanding that is
[8:10] Speaker 2: immediately leads to things like the welfare state, which leads
[8:14] Speaker 2: us pretty quickly to government intervention into people's lives, which
[8:17] Speaker 2: immediately leads to World War One, which didn't need to happen, right,
[8:20] Speaker 2: but this was just then outpouring of nationalism. And now
[8:23] Speaker 2: we have machine guns and all this tech and the
[8:27] Speaker 2: ability to control people. Right, the passport comes about during
[8:30] Speaker 2: this time. Throughout history, you didn't really need permission to
[8:32] Speaker 2: leave or go anywhere necessarily. Now in the early twentieth century,
[8:37] Speaker 2: still around this period, right, we have the passport that
[8:39] Speaker 2: suddenly gets invented, and it's used immediately in Italy, not
[8:43] Speaker 2: to let people go places because they could always do that,
[8:46] Speaker 2: but to restrict them from leaving the country because now
[8:49] Speaker 2: they are conscripted to fight World War One. So a
[8:52] Speaker 2: lot of interesting things happening during this period, and my
[8:55] Speaker 2: book kind of traces out both the technology that immediately
[8:58] Speaker 2: leads to this collectivist impult, this cult of safety where
[9:01] Speaker 2: people say, we understand the world better than ever before.
[9:05] Speaker 2: Now we're going to control it. We're going to control people,
[9:07] Speaker 2: and of course it's not you and me who's doing it.
[9:10] Speaker 2: It is the elite, the few people at the top.
[9:13] Speaker 2: The samurai is the term that HG. Wells has in
[9:16] Speaker 2: all of his utopian fiction for these people who are
[9:19] Speaker 2: much smarter than you, right, much smarter than you and me,
[9:22] Speaker 2: and certainly they have the ability to lead all of
[9:25] Speaker 2: these unwashed masses.
[9:27] Speaker 1: Based on your research, do you think that these factions,
[9:31] Speaker 1: these parasitic rulers that have steered the ship for as
[9:36] Speaker 1: long as our documented history, do you think that they
[9:41] Speaker 1: are always in alignment with their overarching agendas or are
[9:46] Speaker 1: there different factions with different ideas of the types of
[9:52] Speaker 1: systems to control humanity in the different directions that they're going.
[10:00] Speaker 2: I will say, I will caveat that I'm not a
[10:03] Speaker 2: very I'm not very knowledgeable about how this evolves over
[10:07] Speaker 2: the twentieth century. I just kind of want to get
[10:08] Speaker 2: to these ideas, right to the ideas and how they've
[10:11] Speaker 2: manifested in particular cases throughout the last century. Let's say,
[10:16] Speaker 2: I'm not the great, the best person to talk to you,
[10:18] Speaker 2: but just going back to kind of first principles, what
[10:20] Speaker 2: you see in this period of time is simply this
[10:23] Speaker 2: idea right that we cannot let things, as Hu Well says,
[10:27] Speaker 2: we cannot let people just choose on their own. Okay,
[10:30] Speaker 2: you have to have a vision of society. You have
[10:32] Speaker 2: to have a single goal, a single common goal, and
[10:35] Speaker 2: then it cannot just be the people who are deciding.
[10:37] Speaker 2: And so HG. Wells he goes to the Soviet Union
[10:41] Speaker 2: and he looks at what Stalin's doing and he's actually disappointed.
[10:44] Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I don't think you're severe enough, mister Stalin.
[10:48] Speaker 2: He basically literally says that. And so people such as HG.
[10:52] Speaker 2: Well Is obviously he's struggling with with he's vying with
[10:56] Speaker 2: other people, and you probably a lot of people would
[10:58] Speaker 2: say he's just one one pawn on the chessboard, right.
[11:01] Speaker 2: There's a lot of people higher than this into public
[11:03] Speaker 2: intellectual So I really don't know the answer to that.
[11:07] Speaker 2: In the end, the results are the same, and in essence,
[11:10] Speaker 2: I tend to talk about more of these solutions to
[11:12] Speaker 2: protect yourself whatever the threat is. I would, if I
[11:15] Speaker 2: were to guess, I would probably lean to more factions
[11:20] Speaker 2: and disorganization, just based on my understanding of let's say,
[11:24] Speaker 2: for example, over the last few years climbing up the ladder,
[11:27] Speaker 2: becoming acquainted with people who are in higher stations of life,
[11:31] Speaker 2: you know, running different shows and organizations and all the rest.
[11:34] Speaker 2: And what I find with them is that they're really
[11:37] Speaker 2: just as dysfunctional and disorganized and petty and all this
[11:40] Speaker 2: stuff as anybody else. So it does seem difficult for
[11:43] Speaker 2: me to think that there is a group at the
[11:45] Speaker 2: top that's completely aligned about everything.
[11:48] Speaker 3: Right on.
[11:50] Speaker 1: You mentioned H. G. Wells and his contributions to this
[11:57] Speaker 1: current society that we're living in a little bit more
[12:01] Speaker 1: about what he brought to the table as far as
[12:06] Speaker 1: his ideas and what we're implementing now.
[12:11] Speaker 2: Hue Balls is a big figure. I did not realize
[12:14] Speaker 2: going into this that he was going to be the
[12:16] Speaker 2: main antagonist, but then as I started reading his traditional fiction, Okay,
[12:22] Speaker 2: so this is how Hubolls starts. We're probably familiar Chris
[12:25] Speaker 2: with War of the World's, The Invisible Man, the Time Machine,
[12:29] Speaker 2: all the stuff we maybe read as kids early science fiction,
[12:33] Speaker 2: very influential. What people don't realize is that after he
[12:37] Speaker 2: wrote those few books, he kind of stopped being serious
[12:41] Speaker 2: about science fiction and he dedicated the rest of his
[12:43] Speaker 2: life like the next eighty books essentially to advocating for
[12:47] Speaker 2: world government technocracy. As far as I can tell, he
[12:50] Speaker 2: literally coined the term the New World Order, right, that's
[12:53] Speaker 2: his book from the nineteen thirties. He literally coined the term.
[12:57] Speaker 2: And so that's the stuff that he becomes interested in.
[12:59] Speaker 2: But in his early fiction you can see what's happening.
[13:02] Speaker 2: Look at War of the Worlds. It starts off by
[13:04] Speaker 2: this alien race, the Martians who read the first paragraph,
[13:08] Speaker 2: they are looking. It starts with them looking at the Earth.
[13:10] Speaker 2: They find it wanting. They see it's disorganized, it's decentralized,
[13:14] Speaker 2: of orse, there's too much freedom, and they're going to
[13:16] Speaker 2: go destroy it because that's what conquerors do. And the
[13:19] Speaker 2: entire message of the War of the Worlds, when you
[13:21] Speaker 2: really read through it with that lens, is that And
[13:24] Speaker 2: this is very explicit in the book. Let me say,
[13:26] Speaker 2: I'll try to track down some quotes as I'm talking here,
[13:29] Speaker 2: but essentially what he's saying in the book is that
[13:34] Speaker 2: look London, which is the city being attacked, is to disorganize.
[13:36] Speaker 2: There's no common goal. Everybody's running around and they deserve
[13:40] Speaker 2: to be killed, like humanity deserves to be destroyed. There's
[13:43] Speaker 2: no judgment against the Martians in that book. Go find
[13:46] Speaker 2: a judgment against the Martians. Hulls is on the side
[13:49] Speaker 2: of the Martians, Okay, because this is this technocratic, superior
[13:52] Speaker 2: life form. Okay, this is the kind of people he
[13:55] Speaker 2: thinks should be ruling, that has a fuller sense of
[13:57] Speaker 2: the cosmos, and that has gone and exterminated people who
[14:00] Speaker 2: are worthy of extermination. So that's what you find for
[14:04] Speaker 2: more of the world's invisible man assault on individualism. Anybody
[14:08] Speaker 2: who is separated from society goes insane. He is kind
[14:11] Speaker 2: of the story, and there's a lot of good quotations
[14:14] Speaker 2: about how his sin, his ultimate sin is he's not
[14:16] Speaker 2: sharing his discovery with the greater scientific collective is his
[14:21] Speaker 2: main sin. We look at the time machine. Basically, the
[14:25] Speaker 2: idea here is that if we don't change course, if
[14:28] Speaker 2: we don't have a direction, if we don't have a
[14:31] Speaker 2: scientific method to arranging society, we're going to end up
[14:36] Speaker 2: these monstrous versions of ourselves far in the future. If
[14:40] Speaker 2: nothing changes, we have to take the reigns of history,
[14:42] Speaker 2: we meaning him and his buddies, and we have to
[14:45] Speaker 2: change course. That's the moral of that. Another good book
[14:49] Speaker 2: is The Island of Doctor Moreau. Very disturbing book, where
[14:53] Speaker 2: there's this vivisectionist, okay, a guy who experiments on animals
[14:56] Speaker 2: while they're alive, and he is shunned from society. So
[14:59] Speaker 2: he goes and this island where he does these experiments
[15:02] Speaker 2: and he tries to create these He tries to change
[15:05] Speaker 2: animal brains so that they become human, okay, And he
[15:08] Speaker 2: believes in the plasticity of forms and all this other stuff.
[15:11] Speaker 2: And it's kind of a support of this experiment is
[15:15] Speaker 2: what you find in that book. And of course he
[15:18] Speaker 2: creates a cult and he's the leader, this doctor becomes
[15:20] Speaker 2: the leader of these animals. Very disturbing book, but you
[15:23] Speaker 2: can kind of see there how this guy thinks. How
[15:25] Speaker 2: h she Wells thinks. H she Wells was a big
[15:28] Speaker 2: proponent of Darwinism, right. He thought that there was no
[15:32] Speaker 2: innate value to humanity, that there were just the happenstance winners,
[15:37] Speaker 2: we might say, of this long struggle, and that there
[15:40] Speaker 2: was nothing inherently good about humanity. Obviously a big atheist
[15:43] Speaker 2: as well, and he thought that the only purpose of
[15:45] Speaker 2: humanity was to be guided against our bad impulses by
[15:50] Speaker 2: people who are able to do so, and who know
[15:52] Speaker 2: better than we do? And he came up with all
[15:54] Speaker 2: these control mechanisms.
[15:56] Speaker 1: Right.
[15:56] Speaker 2: He has the book called the World Brain, which is
[15:59] Speaker 2: this early idea of the internet, quote unquote where basically
[16:02] Speaker 2: everybody has these encyclopedias, but they're also talking by telegram.
[16:07] Speaker 2: That's kind of what they have the technology at the time,
[16:09] Speaker 2: and they're updating their ideas at any given times, like, hey,
[16:11] Speaker 2: we have a better understanding of this, and of course
[16:14] Speaker 2: get when you get to the essence of it, it's like, oh, yeah,
[16:16] Speaker 2: this is an approved group of elite scientists who are
[16:20] Speaker 2: telling you what's true and what is not. So anywhere
[16:22] Speaker 2: you get like his book a Modern Utopia, once you
[16:25] Speaker 2: get to the end of it, once you start asking
[16:26] Speaker 2: the questions like wait, who's in charge? Yeah, it's those
[16:29] Speaker 2: guys at the top. And if you fight against it,
[16:32] Speaker 2: as he says in the Modern Utopia, you're going to
[16:34] Speaker 2: be sent off to an island prison where you'll be
[16:36] Speaker 2: forbidden from breeding. So that's kind of the stick. And
[16:40] Speaker 2: this is what HG. Well's huge proponent, George Orwell says
[16:44] Speaker 2: has a great line. He says, nobody influenced the English
[16:47] Speaker 2: speaking world intellectually more than h she Wells. In the
[16:50] Speaker 2: first two decades of the twentieth century. He was a
[16:52] Speaker 2: huge figure, monumental figure, published like one hundred books in
[16:55] Speaker 2: his life. Had the ear of Winston Churchill in Winston
[16:59] Speaker 2: Churchill's early days as a creator of the welfare state,
[17:02] Speaker 2: very influential figure, big proponent of world government and a
[17:06] Speaker 2: few people telling everybody else what they can and can't do.
[17:10] Speaker 1: Well, let's talk a little bit about the evolution of
[17:14] Speaker 1: this technocratic state. Of course, as our technology develops, the
[17:20] Speaker 1: control systems grow stronger. But if you have eyes to
[17:23] Speaker 1: see and you look back at our technological history, there's
[17:27] Speaker 1: nothing really developed that is truly benefiting humanity. If you
[17:32] Speaker 1: step back and take a closer look, it's all about
[17:35] Speaker 1: some sort of control, some sort of surveillance, and culture creation.
[17:40] Speaker 1: I'm sure that mind control operations were integrated into some
[17:46] Speaker 1: of these technological agendas, and I'm sure it's very much
[17:51] Speaker 1: responsible for a lot of the mental health problems we're
[17:55] Speaker 1: seeing today where we're at as a society. But maybe
[17:59] Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the evolution of this dystopian
[18:04] Speaker 1: technocratic state that we're in.
[18:07] Speaker 2: I'm happy to do so, so as we go along,
[18:10] Speaker 2: what's funny is that HG. Well has become He writes
[18:12] Speaker 2: this book and I think it's nineteen oh five, a
[18:14] Speaker 2: modern utopia, where he lays out here's how a perfect
[18:17] Speaker 2: society would work, and oh, you know, there's private property,
[18:20] Speaker 2: but it's somewhat communal as well, and you wouldn't begrudge that, right,
[18:24] Speaker 2: and if you do, begrudge that while we're sending you
[18:26] Speaker 2: to the island prison. So it's his perfect world. And
[18:29] Speaker 2: of course there's tracking and tracing. At the time, fingerprints
[18:32] Speaker 2: was the kind of the technology of tracking. So he
[18:36] Speaker 2: talks about how, yeah, the people in this world they
[18:38] Speaker 2: use a fingerprint and that identifies them and who they are.
[18:41] Speaker 2: And as we go along we get a lot better
[18:44] Speaker 2: tracking mechanisms, obviously, and the computer age has and the
[18:48] Speaker 2: advent of AI, which isn't quite what people think it is,
[18:51] Speaker 2: but it is able to it's good pattern recognition, right,
[18:54] Speaker 2: and that can lead to exposure. So as we go along.
[18:57] Speaker 2: What's funny is that a modern utopia becomes the chief
[19:01] Speaker 2: inspiration for the dystopian genre, and so the dystopian writers
[19:05] Speaker 2: of the twentieth century. There's a great book by Ian
[19:08] Speaker 2: Forster called The Machine stops great book about a city
[19:13] Speaker 2: that's underground, a machine controls everything, and of course there's
[19:16] Speaker 2: rank nihilism and all the rest. But he had in mind,
[19:19] Speaker 2: specifically Hi Wells's book A Modern Utopia, and as you
[19:23] Speaker 2: go along Brave New World, Alvis Huxley he has this
[19:28] Speaker 2: in mind as well, and George Orwell as well. But
[19:31] Speaker 2: let's focus on a Brave New World, because here we
[19:33] Speaker 2: have thirty years later. Alice Huxley is writing a book
[19:36] Speaker 2: which is very precient, much more ahead of the times
[19:40] Speaker 2: than Orwell, who would write fifteen who'd publish his book
[19:43] Speaker 2: fifteen years later. And Alvis Huxley says that where we're
[19:49] Speaker 2: headed is towards dystopia, and it's not going to be
[19:55] Speaker 2: how we think right, It's going to be mass consumer consumerism.
[19:59] Speaker 2: There's going to be the manipulation at the including the
[20:03] Speaker 2: genetic level. If you read Brave New World, they're manipulating
[20:06] Speaker 2: embryos at the genetic level to be inclined more towards
[20:11] Speaker 2: certain things. And we know these days, with crisper and
[20:14] Speaker 2: such that you can, you very much can affect people's well.
[20:18] Speaker 2: For example, I was watching the recent RoboCop remake and
[20:22] Speaker 2: basically what they did is they mess with his brain
[20:25] Speaker 2: levels and suddenly he has no empathy. Right, So they're
[20:27] Speaker 2: controlling him at a mechanistic level, and at one point
[20:30] Speaker 2: they're trying to solve the problem, like how is this
[20:31] Speaker 2: going to work? He's panicking, and they just remove whatever
[20:35] Speaker 2: chemical from his brain and now he becomes a dutiful servant. Right.
[20:39] Speaker 2: So we have these chemicals in our brain that really
[20:41] Speaker 2: give us our experience of reality. So that's what Alice
[20:43] Speaker 2: Huxley's talking about in Brave New World, where not just
[20:46] Speaker 2: are they manipulating you at the birth level, the genetic level,
[20:49] Speaker 2: once you get out of the womb, you're already determined
[20:52] Speaker 2: to be something, but then you also have the propaganda,
[20:56] Speaker 2: the conditioning that is being fosted on you. At this
[21:00] Speaker 2: period of time, late or early twentieth century, we also
[21:03] Speaker 2: have an understanding of conditioning, right, this psychology of conditioning,
[21:07] Speaker 2: Pavlov's Dog and all the rest, and that becomes a
[21:10] Speaker 2: really powerful idea which does work. One of the funny stories,
[21:13] Speaker 2: by the way, is Pavlov when he discovers classical conditioning
[21:16] Speaker 2: is what we call it Stalin's sense of a letter,
[21:19] Speaker 2: and he says, you know, to Comrade Pavlov, we've increased
[21:23] Speaker 2: your rations for your discoveries. And I joke, I'm like,
[21:26] Speaker 2: we can only imagine how much Pavlov salivated when you
[21:29] Speaker 2: read that letter. But so we have this idea of conditioning,
[21:33] Speaker 2: of genetic manipulation, of course eugenics, and also pharmaceuticals. Right,
[21:39] Speaker 2: pharmaceuticals become a big thing, big part of Aldus Huxley's world.
[21:43] Speaker 2: They're on soma, which is this kind of impossible drug
[21:46] Speaker 2: which gives you a euphoria and it also makes you
[21:48] Speaker 2: calm somehow, and it basically it's also because Aldus Huxley
[21:53] Speaker 2: was a big proponent of psychedelics, it also has a
[21:55] Speaker 2: psychedelic element to it. And one of the characters famously
[21:58] Speaker 2: in that book, who is kind of trapped in outside
[22:01] Speaker 2: of this world for a while, once she comes back,
[22:03] Speaker 2: she immediately goes on SOE and hits it so many
[22:05] Speaker 2: times that she dies very quickly, but she does not
[22:07] Speaker 2: want to get off of it whatsoever. So you have
[22:09] Speaker 2: all these things that are coming together, and you can
[22:12] Speaker 2: see it in a brave new world, and it is
[22:15] Speaker 2: in many ways a blueprint for how you can be
[22:17] Speaker 2: controlled today. You know, through all these particular ways. We
[22:21] Speaker 2: can get into more specifics, but it's just a good
[22:24] Speaker 2: kind of advancement from huls to all this Huxley who's
[22:28] Speaker 2: pointing to all these modern mechanisms pharmaceuticals and conditioning and
[22:33] Speaker 2: various eugenic sorts of things, how those can be used
[22:36] Speaker 2: to control people.
[22:37] Speaker 1: It seems like it definitely all came together and it
[22:42] Speaker 1: is the perfect storm of these different techniques to get
[22:48] Speaker 1: people docile, mind controlled, and in a certain state and
[22:53] Speaker 1: keep them that way. We look at our modern technology
[22:57] Speaker 1: and how people addicted to social media and reliant and
[23:03] Speaker 1: they get all their information from this, and it's a
[23:06] Speaker 1: completely controlled narrative, not only through our television and entertainment industry,
[23:13] Speaker 1: which used to be our soul form of getting information
[23:18] Speaker 1: from the rest of the world, finding out what's happening
[23:21] Speaker 1: on the other side of the world. Now it's all
[23:24] Speaker 1: at just the touch of a finger. Not only that,
[23:28] Speaker 1: there is very little regulation when it comes to children
[23:33] Speaker 1: online and what they have access to. Let's talk a
[23:37] Speaker 1: little bit about what we are facing in our modern age.
[23:41] Speaker 1: We know about the surface things that we can interact
[23:45] Speaker 1: with in the dangers, but there are so many layers
[23:47] Speaker 1: and levels to this, and maybe just starting with the
[23:52] Speaker 1: terms and conditions that we agree to with almost every
[23:57] Speaker 1: social media platform, new software that we get, cell phones.
[24:02] Speaker 1: What are we really agreeing to with some of this stuff?
[24:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a great point. Less experienced myself
[24:11] Speaker 2: in researching things like m K Ultra five G those
[24:13] Speaker 2: sorts of things. But this is definitely my cup of tea.
[24:15] Speaker 2: I'll just correct myself by the way, I said, when
[24:17] Speaker 2: Stalin sent a letter to Pavlov, it was Lenin, so
[24:20] Speaker 2: I do have a sense of history. Stalin was was
[24:24] Speaker 2: by the time Pavlov died, Stalin was still not in
[24:27] Speaker 2: his position. So just to clarify that, in case there's
[24:29] Speaker 2: any historians, we're gonna send me, send me death threats.
[24:34] Speaker 2: So there's a there's a hilarious well, the terms and conditions,
[24:40] Speaker 2: and we might call this also something called dark patterns,
[24:43] Speaker 2: So if people want to look this up, it's called
[24:45] Speaker 2: dark patterns. And what happened when we get to this
[24:49] Speaker 2: high level of corporatism in big tech, where the lawyers
[24:53] Speaker 2: are really running things, is that we do have all
[24:56] Speaker 2: these terms and conditions, and we have all these psychologically
[24:59] Speaker 2: exploit ways of dealing with people. Now people are looking
[25:02] Speaker 2: at their screens in the digital age whatever crazy number
[25:06] Speaker 2: ten hours a day, and so we are going to
[25:08] Speaker 2: try to manipulate them every way we can. So we
[25:11] Speaker 2: have all the ads that we see, and we have
[25:13] Speaker 2: all the ways that a website is designed. And believe me,
[25:16] Speaker 2: I have a background in e commerce and I do
[25:18] Speaker 2: run the e commerce shop Escape the Technocracy dot com.
[25:21] Speaker 2: We try not to do this stuff, but you know,
[25:23] Speaker 2: maybe there's a little bit here and there where we're
[25:26] Speaker 2: trying to get you to click on things to do
[25:29] Speaker 2: more things. And the terms and conditions, of course, is
[25:32] Speaker 2: kind of a part of this as well, where like
[25:35] Speaker 2: you can't even play a video game these days a
[25:37] Speaker 2: lot of times without accepting the terms and conditions. And
[25:40] Speaker 2: what are you accepting? I don't know. I've never read those,
[25:43] Speaker 2: to be honest, I don't think anybody's ever read those.
[25:46] Speaker 2: But essentially, if you were to read details, let's let's
[25:49] Speaker 2: let's talk about your Steam video game collection. You don't
[25:51] Speaker 2: known those, You don't known those, They own those, and
[25:55] Speaker 2: they can take those away anytime they want. Your Microsoft
[25:58] Speaker 2: account and by the way, your Microsoft account might be
[26:01] Speaker 2: attached to your Windows computer and also your Xbox profile
[26:05] Speaker 2: and also your Skype accounts, and also your Microsoft Office
[26:09] Speaker 2: three sixty five always online software and in the Microsoft
[26:16] Speaker 2: I haven't checked it like very recently, but I did
[26:18] Speaker 2: a year ago. They have a hate speech thing in
[26:21] Speaker 2: the terms and conditions where if you say something that
[26:23] Speaker 2: is hateful, they can shut down your account. Now, I
[26:27] Speaker 2: think that would cripple your Windows computer immediately if that
[26:29] Speaker 2: wereld happened, potentially, like you lose your license, can't use
[26:32] Speaker 2: your Microsoft, can't use your Xbox, can't use your Skype.
[26:35] Speaker 2: So those are the sorts of things that you find
[26:37] Speaker 2: in the terms and conditions. They can kind of say
[26:39] Speaker 2: whatever they want. We know that they own everything and
[26:43] Speaker 2: you're not happy, right, and we know that you're renting
[26:47] Speaker 2: all this stuff. The Ubisoft is a big video game company.
[26:52] Speaker 2: Their CEO came out last year and he said that
[26:55] Speaker 2: we need to get people comfortable with not owning their
[26:57] Speaker 2: video games. That's the next step that needs to happen.
[27:00] Speaker 2: Funnily enough, the Ubisoft stock prices has gone down tremendously
[27:05] Speaker 2: since he said that, so I think some people are
[27:07] Speaker 2: waking up to this. There's obviously more things going on.
[27:09] Speaker 2: They make terrible video games that are proved at the
[27:12] Speaker 2: kind of corporate level of all this testing in garbage,
[27:15] Speaker 2: which means that no original art seems to be created
[27:17] Speaker 2: these days. Can't watch any films these days, they're utter rubbish.
[27:21] Speaker 2: Sam goes for video games. But these terms and conditions
[27:24] Speaker 2: put all sorts of things in there where the worst thing,
[27:28] Speaker 2: of course, is you're renting it. You don't own it,
[27:30] Speaker 2: and that's why we need find alternatives. That's why I
[27:32] Speaker 2: don't use any of this big tech stuff. I don't
[27:34] Speaker 2: really use any Microsoft products as far as I'm aware,
[27:37] Speaker 2: and I use free and open source software. This is
[27:39] Speaker 2: really the solution. I'm sure we'll talk about that, but yeah,
[27:41] Speaker 2: the terms and conditions basically tell you what we kind
[27:44] Speaker 2: of know, which is that they own everything. And you're
[27:46] Speaker 2: not happy.
[27:47] Speaker 1: Right, Let's talk about some of the problems that I
[27:51] Speaker 1: personally face and many others in the podcasting and independent
[27:56] Speaker 1: content creation space, and that's shadow banning, censorship, having the
[28:02] Speaker 1: algorithms determine if you're going to be viewed, or not
[28:05] Speaker 1: being stuck in echo chambers, these things. It seemed like
[28:10] Speaker 1: it was around I think it was two thousand and
[28:13] Speaker 1: sixteen or something. I just noticed I was on YouTube
[28:17] Speaker 1: and I had a very fast growing channel. I think
[28:20] Speaker 1: it was almost getting close to forty thousand subscribers, very
[28:25] Speaker 1: decent views, and all of a sudden one day, it
[28:28] Speaker 1: just seemed like everything got shut off. I was no
[28:31] Speaker 1: longer getting the views, my subscriber count completely got shut off.
[28:36] Speaker 1: And then shortly after I started getting hit with all
[28:38] Speaker 1: the strikes for the medical misinformation and all the bs
[28:43] Speaker 1: that started happening during COVID. But it seemed like a
[28:47] Speaker 1: bit of a process that started happening around that timeframe
[28:51] Speaker 1: where the algorithms seemed to change the viewership and how
[28:55] Speaker 1: much we were being recommended, and all that stuff just
[28:59] Speaker 1: complete stop for certain types of content creators. Could you
[29:04] Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that process, what happened during
[29:07] Speaker 1: that time period.
[29:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, So all these companies that you use Twitter, YouTube,
[29:14] Speaker 2: maybe it's Spotify, whatever the case may be, they're in
[29:18] Speaker 2: control and they have algorithms which people are aware of now,
[29:21] Speaker 2: that can do whatever they want them to do. Okay,
[29:24] Speaker 2: this is not some objective world where in the past
[29:27] Speaker 2: we you know, type in a website directly and we
[29:30] Speaker 2: get to that forum, and then once we log into
[29:32] Speaker 2: the forum, we can see everything chronologically. Nothing's being taken out,
[29:35] Speaker 2: nothing's being censored. It's all right there. That's not how
[29:38] Speaker 2: it works, right. You go to Twitter, the stuff there
[29:41] Speaker 2: is not happening chronologically. It's not one thing after another.
[29:44] Speaker 2: It's not showing you everything from the people you follow.
[29:47] Speaker 2: It's simply not doing that. What Twitter is doing is
[29:50] Speaker 2: it's saying, hey, we have a better understanding of things, right,
[29:52] Speaker 2: this technocratic worldview. We know what you want, We're going
[29:55] Speaker 2: to figure out what you want, and you know what
[29:57] Speaker 2: you want that thing, well, we're not going to give
[29:58] Speaker 2: it to you, okay, because that's medical misinformation. So a
[30:02] Speaker 2: lot of these are black box too. We don't always
[30:04] Speaker 2: know what's going on in the algorithms. When we do
[30:07] Speaker 2: get a glimpse, like Twitter, what we see is yeah,
[30:10] Speaker 2: I mean they have direct that the government has directly
[30:12] Speaker 2: told Facebook et cetera to not show certain things, and
[30:16] Speaker 2: shadow manning, where we're very familiar with it's simply part
[30:19] Speaker 2: of this as well. If you say the naughty things,
[30:21] Speaker 2: then you're not going to get exposed. And if you
[30:23] Speaker 2: don't get as exposed, you won't get as many followers,
[30:26] Speaker 2: you're not getting get as funding, as much funding, et cetera,
[30:28] Speaker 2: et cetera. So that is essentially what is happening. That's
[30:32] Speaker 2: why I'm grateful for podcasting and newsletters, and I have
[30:36] Speaker 2: a whole branch where I show how to people how
[30:38] Speaker 2: to cancel culture proof themselves.
[30:41] Speaker 3: Right.
[30:41] Speaker 2: So I've advised people on that and we generally talk
[30:43] Speaker 2: about that sort of topic. But we've gotten past a
[30:46] Speaker 2: lot of these barriers in some ways. Right, we can
[30:49] Speaker 2: get the message out and I see more more and
[30:50] Speaker 2: more people are aware of things, right, like what is
[30:53] Speaker 2: Ross Elbrick was recently pardon So I go into all
[30:56] Speaker 2: my Telegram groups and of course people it's like now
[30:58] Speaker 2: it's you know, he's an actor. That was a fake pardon.
[31:01] Speaker 2: So the point is people are very skeptical and people
[31:04] Speaker 2: are waking up. Sometimes they go too far, but I've
[31:08] Speaker 2: never seen more people kind of aware. So the news
[31:10] Speaker 2: is spreading. We do have like Telegram, for example, is
[31:13] Speaker 2: a great example. It is a big tech platform. The
[31:16] Speaker 2: CEO was recently arrested and he's doing more of a crackdown,
[31:19] Speaker 2: but in general it's a very free flowing, non algorithmic
[31:23] Speaker 2: way to get access to direct information from people who
[31:26] Speaker 2: are on the ground, and at least in the past,
[31:28] Speaker 2: their moderation policy was we don't moderate. That was literally
[31:32] Speaker 2: their moderation policy. So we have a lot of examples
[31:35] Speaker 2: like Telegram and the podcasting and all these alternative video
[31:38] Speaker 2: platforms to get around some of this stuff. So we
[31:41] Speaker 2: just need more people to migrate over to those and
[31:44] Speaker 2: we will solve the issue. Because again, when you're using
[31:47] Speaker 2: big tech, when you're on YouTube, they are telling you
[31:51] Speaker 2: what you want to see, and sometimes they will funnel
[31:53] Speaker 2: you into a corner as well. They will funnel you
[31:56] Speaker 2: maybe into the super conspiratorial corner where there's a lot
[31:59] Speaker 2: of sy ops have so they can do all kinds
[32:02] Speaker 2: of things like that. So yeah, that's essentially what's happening,
[32:05] Speaker 2: and we can fight against it. It's important to be
[32:07] Speaker 2: on all these alternative channels and don't press for algorithms.
[32:10] Speaker 3: Right.
[32:11] Speaker 2: We want to see everything, and we want to see
[32:13] Speaker 2: one after the other without anybody telling us what we
[32:16] Speaker 2: should and should not see. My friend was recently telling
[32:18] Speaker 2: me he misses the forum days of the early two thousands,
[32:21] Speaker 2: where we have a forum, we see everything that people
[32:24] Speaker 2: are saying. Sure it's chaotic Telegram style. Sure it's chaotic.
[32:27] Speaker 2: You have to do a little bit of work. There's
[32:29] Speaker 2: some garbage in there. But that's better than being fed
[32:32] Speaker 2: what they want you to feed what they want you
[32:34] Speaker 2: to eat.
[32:35] Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
[32:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're definitely going to get to some more
[32:38] Speaker 1: solutions here shortly. But I want to inform the audience
[32:43] Speaker 1: of some of the things that they may not be
[32:45] Speaker 1: aware of just by utilizing some of these big apps.
[32:51] Speaker 1: To what extent is our privacy being infringed upon by
[32:57] Speaker 1: just using some of these social media platforms and some
[33:02] Speaker 1: of these larger platforms.
[33:04] Speaker 2: Well, let's say that you let's just say that you
[33:08] Speaker 2: have YouTube on your phone. Okay, you have a YouTube
[33:11] Speaker 2: on your phone. You're walking around your neighborhood listening to something. Well,
[33:16] Speaker 2: you have something called an IP address, Okay. This is
[33:19] Speaker 2: an identity that your device has anytime you connect to
[33:22] Speaker 2: the internet, so that is transmitting your location, okay. And
[33:26] Speaker 2: so you're walking around your neighborhood, and let's say there's
[33:29] Speaker 2: a crime that happens in that neighborhood. Well, what is
[33:31] Speaker 2: the law enforcement going to do? A lot of times,
[33:33] Speaker 2: what they'll do is they'll go to a company like Google.
[33:36] Speaker 2: They'll say, hey, we need the geolocation of all phones
[33:39] Speaker 2: that were running Google related products in that area. This
[33:42] Speaker 2: has actually happened, and a guy got an email saying
[33:45] Speaker 2: that hey, we've given your data to law enforcement from Google. Right,
[33:49] Speaker 2: And that guy had spent a lot of money defending himself,
[33:52] Speaker 2: tapped into his savings, got help because he happened to
[33:55] Speaker 2: be in an area where there was a crime committed,
[33:58] Speaker 2: and because he was revealing himself through his I think
[34:02] Speaker 2: that in this case, he was just had an Android phone. Okay,
[34:04] Speaker 2: so that's Google. So Google has the ability to pinpoint
[34:07] Speaker 2: your location when you use a Google phone. Okay, so
[34:11] Speaker 2: that's one example. Okay, that's one example. Anytime you're using
[34:15] Speaker 2: the Internet anywhere, the Internet service provider has the ability
[34:18] Speaker 2: to see what websites.
[34:19] Speaker 1: You go to.
[34:21] Speaker 2: A lot of people don't really realize that. So that's
[34:23] Speaker 2: why I always use a VPN tour. We'll get to
[34:25] Speaker 2: those later, but they can see that by default. They
[34:28] Speaker 2: can see what you download, they can see what websites
[34:30] Speaker 2: you visit. They can't see things like what you're typing,
[34:33] Speaker 2: et cetera, unless you have a malware or something else,
[34:35] Speaker 2: but they can see the websites Your phones are have
[34:40] Speaker 2: the ability to listen, and so you should assume that
[34:43] Speaker 2: they are listening your Alexas and all these assistants are
[34:48] Speaker 2: also doing that, and there have been many cases where
[34:50] Speaker 2: they have shared that or law enforcement has got access
[34:54] Speaker 2: to that, and of course not just law enforcement Amazon, Right,
[34:56] Speaker 2: what is Amazon doing with that data as well? Is
[34:59] Speaker 2: the question that we that you want to know they're
[35:00] Speaker 2: selling to other people when you use something, any of
[35:03] Speaker 2: your financial transactions, that's being shared with many different places.
[35:07] Speaker 2: They have a good read of what you're buying where
[35:09] Speaker 2: you are. Okay, let's say that you go to let's say, okay,
[35:13] Speaker 2: let's say somebody's really off the grid. They say, okay,
[35:15] Speaker 2: you know, screw the government, screw all this, I'm going
[35:17] Speaker 2: to go buy some pieces of gold. So they drive
[35:20] Speaker 2: to their gold shop. Well, what's happening along the way?
[35:22] Speaker 2: Are there license plate readers?
[35:24] Speaker 3: Right?
[35:24] Speaker 2: There's a website called deflock which shows you all the
[35:27] Speaker 2: license plate readers, and there's private companies that are detecting
[35:30] Speaker 2: where you are in many cities. So is your license
[35:33] Speaker 2: plate reader detecting where you're driving? Oh, hey, he's in
[35:36] Speaker 2: the neighborhood of this gold shop. And did you bring
[35:39] Speaker 2: your phone with you?
[35:40] Speaker 3: Well?
[35:40] Speaker 2: Maybe Apple and Google now know, Okay, he's in the
[35:42] Speaker 2: parking lot of this gold shop, So this guy owns gold.
[35:45] Speaker 2: Most likely you walk into the shop. Are there cameras?
[35:48] Speaker 3: Okay?
[35:49] Speaker 2: If there are, are they seeing your face? Did you
[35:51] Speaker 2: not cover your face? And if so, are those like
[35:54] Speaker 2: private companies? Where's that data ending up? Okay, they see
[35:57] Speaker 2: your face facial recognition. Oh, Jim, Jim is in the
[36:00] Speaker 2: gold shop. He's buying gold. You use a credit card
[36:03] Speaker 2: to buy your gold. Well, does Visa know and your
[36:05] Speaker 2: bank and whoever else know that you bought gold? Yes,
[36:08] Speaker 2: yes they do. So there's a lot of ways that
[36:09] Speaker 2: you reveal yourself. And by the way, also on your phone,
[36:13] Speaker 2: did you have Uber up when you walk into that shop? Well,
[36:17] Speaker 2: now Uber knows your location. They have the ability to
[36:20] Speaker 2: do that. You granted them location access. So a lot
[36:22] Speaker 2: of the other apps on your phone are going to
[36:23] Speaker 2: see what you're doing. And by the way, on the
[36:26] Speaker 2: way to drive there, were you talking to your friend
[36:28] Speaker 2: in your car and you have a post twenty fifteen
[36:31] Speaker 2: car which has a microphone in it, which is in
[36:34] Speaker 2: some or has the ability to send that data back
[36:37] Speaker 2: to Yundi or Toyota or whoever about your conversation about
[36:42] Speaker 2: why you're buying gold. You hate the government, et cetera,
[36:43] Speaker 2: et cetera. Is that going to be read by the
[36:45] Speaker 2: jury right if you were arrested at some point. So
[36:48] Speaker 2: there's a lot of things to consider here. It's not hopeless,
[36:50] Speaker 2: but just to give people an idea of how bad
[36:52] Speaker 2: it can.
[36:52] Speaker 1: Be before we get to solutions, let's talk a little
[36:55] Speaker 1: bit about AI and our future relationship ship with this.
[37:00] Speaker 1: There is, of course, it's a double edged sword. There
[37:04] Speaker 1: is a lot of negativity and confusion and misinformation that's
[37:09] Speaker 1: coming out of what people are using AI for the
[37:13] Speaker 1: AI art, some of the conspiratorial like you mentioned rabbit
[37:19] Speaker 1: holes or being managed by AI, and it's it's getting
[37:24] Speaker 1: chaotic out there.
[37:25] Speaker 3: But maybe we.
[37:26] Speaker 1: Could explore some of the negative and positive sides of this.
[37:33] Speaker 2: There are both sides to it. For sure, I was
[37:35] Speaker 2: a super AI skeptic. I still am, but that doesn't
[37:38] Speaker 2: mean there's not use for the tools. So my colleague
[37:40] Speaker 2: and I just created a course. It's called the AI
[37:42] Speaker 2: Anti Technocracy Course, and it's on our website, Escape the
[37:46] Speaker 2: Technocracy dot com. I think it's a really dynamic of
[37:49] Speaker 2: course that that shows you what I'm what I'm about
[37:52] Speaker 2: to tell you, which is that uh AI has some
[37:55] Speaker 2: serious consequences for humanity. It's not entirely in the hands
[37:59] Speaker 2: of the ely in the big tech. We can own
[38:01] Speaker 2: this for ourselves. We can download it on our own computer,
[38:04] Speaker 2: we can use it in a private and uncensored way.
[38:07] Speaker 2: And the current manifestation of AI, as far as I understand,
[38:10] Speaker 2: is very limited. I just released an episode by a
[38:13] Speaker 2: guy today who's in the AI industry, and he's basically saying, look,
[38:17] Speaker 2: this is not smart AI, and its current manifestation is
[38:20] Speaker 2: not smart. Because it's current manifestation people know chat, GPT
[38:24] Speaker 2: things of this sort. These are called large language models. Basically,
[38:28] Speaker 2: what they did is they couldn't figure out how the
[38:30] Speaker 2: human brain works. Nobody has replicated the human brain as
[38:35] Speaker 2: far as they're a way, it's not replicatable, replicable, and
[38:38] Speaker 2: so they're just trying to throw stuff against the wall
[38:41] Speaker 2: and try to create something that's kind of like a
[38:43] Speaker 2: human brain, right, artificial intelligence. The best idea they came
[38:47] Speaker 2: out with recently, of course, is the large language model.
[38:50] Speaker 2: So basically what they do is they try they feed
[38:55] Speaker 2: to a computer a lot of data and they train
[38:58] Speaker 2: the computer that, hey, this is a cat. This is
[39:01] Speaker 2: not a cat. Okay, So there's a lot of human
[39:03] Speaker 2: reinforcement suggesting okay, this is correct and not. In many
[39:06] Speaker 2: cases this is farmed off to like Kenya people in
[39:09] Speaker 2: Kenya who are doing this for two dollars an hour, okay,
[39:12] Speaker 2: so it has to be approved, and they basically do
[39:14] Speaker 2: this with thousands and tens of thousands and millions and
[39:17] Speaker 2: billions of pieces of information, and then at some point
[39:20] Speaker 2: they let the AI on its own, so it scours
[39:22] Speaker 2: the internet and kind of reinforces itself and these sorts
[39:26] Speaker 2: of things. However, it doesn't have human knowledge, okay, so
[39:30] Speaker 2: it takes thousands of images for it to understand what
[39:32] Speaker 2: a cow is. Meanwhile, you could tell your daughter, your
[39:36] Speaker 2: three year ol daughter, Hey, that's a cow. Okay, she
[39:38] Speaker 2: gets it instantly. AI can't do that. And even if
[39:42] Speaker 2: AI trained itself on thousands of images. Well as the
[39:45] Speaker 2: cow is the cow now on sand? Okay, it's never
[39:47] Speaker 2: seen a cow on sand, so it's going to be confused.
[39:50] Speaker 2: So AI in that form it's kind of dumb. It
[39:52] Speaker 2: does some interesting things, but it's kind of dumb. This
[39:54] Speaker 2: is not this is not sky net, Okay. Is this
[39:58] Speaker 2: the first step? Two skina? If kinda as possible, then yes,
[40:01] Speaker 2: this is the first step. Two Skinda, are there things
[40:04] Speaker 2: with AI that we're not aware of by definition? Yes,
[40:08] Speaker 2: but I don't know what they are, right, I don't
[40:10] Speaker 2: know what they are. I don't know how advanced it
[40:12] Speaker 2: is for us and our purposes. There are some uses
[40:18] Speaker 2: to these. I like the art based AI. For example,
[40:22] Speaker 2: pull up an art based AI. Mid journey is one.
[40:24] Speaker 2: It's not you know, it's not a freedom technology. It's proprietary,
[40:27] Speaker 2: et cetera. They see what you're doing. But I use
[40:30] Speaker 2: that sometimes I type in, you know, image of a
[40:33] Speaker 2: fire breathing dragon in fantasy illustration style, Bam, thirty seconds.
[40:37] Speaker 2: I have four awesome images, pretty cool stuff. With the
[40:41] Speaker 2: text based stuff, you can use it for all kinds
[40:43] Speaker 2: of stuff as well. It can be useful, right, it
[40:45] Speaker 2: can be useful. You know, Hey, tell you give me
[40:48] Speaker 2: fifty multiple choice questions for sixth grade geology quiz ten
[40:54] Speaker 2: seconds is done. So it has some uses. For sure,
[40:57] Speaker 2: it does have some problems. What I talk about the errors.
[41:00] Speaker 2: They have a term for that. It's called hallucination, right,
[41:02] Speaker 2: In other words, that's their euphemism for it. It's dumb
[41:06] Speaker 2: and hallucination can happen. Sometimes, I say Hey, what's the
[41:09] Speaker 2: first paragraph of James Joyce's book Ulysses? And in one
[41:13] Speaker 2: case it told me the first sentence and then the
[41:14] Speaker 2: second sentence was in the same style, but it was
[41:16] Speaker 2: totally wrong. So the A was messing up at that point.
[41:20] Speaker 2: So it does have errors, but it does have uses.
[41:23] Speaker 2: And in terms of the cool things you can use
[41:25] Speaker 2: it for. I show in the course we show how
[41:28] Speaker 2: you can download that. There are open source versions of
[41:31] Speaker 2: this AI. In other words, people have made them open source.
[41:34] Speaker 2: We can see what's happening, and we can do whatever
[41:36] Speaker 2: we want with these models. Chat GPT is not open source,
[41:39] Speaker 2: but there are other models that are. We can download
[41:41] Speaker 2: these onto our computer. Okay, they're actually pretty small considering
[41:44] Speaker 2: what they know. It's pretty impressive. And I can turn
[41:46] Speaker 2: off my Internet connection and I can ask it all
[41:49] Speaker 2: kinds of questions. Hey, the electricity is out, what are
[41:51] Speaker 2: my options? You know, I was just bitten by a cobra.
[41:54] Speaker 2: You know, how do I treat the wound?
[41:56] Speaker 3: Right?
[41:56] Speaker 2: You can come up with very quick information. Right when
[42:00] Speaker 2: in Churchill, you know what was the first law? He signed?
[42:02] Speaker 3: It?
[42:02] Speaker 2: Action? It knows Wikipedia, it's read Wikipedia. It can tell
[42:05] Speaker 2: you that very quickly. Hey, here, let me upload this book.
[42:09] Speaker 2: Tell me, you know, tell me the main points. Bam.
[42:12] Speaker 3: Done.
[42:14] Speaker 2: Tell me what it didn't cover. Okay, you can actually
[42:16] Speaker 2: do very creative things. What is it missing? What did
[42:19] Speaker 2: this book not cover? Bam? It has an answer for you.
[42:21] Speaker 2: So there's some really useful ways to is that you
[42:24] Speaker 2: can use it. You can use it to fight against
[42:26] Speaker 2: the technocracy. We show for example, hey, here's my writing.
[42:29] Speaker 2: Change it in a way that it doesn't reveal my
[42:31] Speaker 2: my fingerprint, my writing fingerprint, which if you use a
[42:34] Speaker 2: certain series of words one after the other, it can
[42:37] Speaker 2: tell who you are. Well, scramble that. Okay, you can
[42:40] Speaker 2: tell it to scramble that. Done instantly does it retains
[42:43] Speaker 2: the same meaning. So there's a lot of useful tools
[42:45] Speaker 2: if you want to take AI into your own hands,
[42:48] Speaker 2: because we really don't want it to be just in
[42:50] Speaker 2: the hands of them.
[42:52] Speaker 1: Any thoughts or concerns about what may be implemented with
[42:57] Speaker 1: this upcoming administed well with current administration. Now, I checked
[43:02] Speaker 1: out of politics a long time ago. To me, it's
[43:05] Speaker 1: all theater. But some of the agendas that are implemented
[43:11] Speaker 1: will affect people, however minuscule, depending on where they decide
[43:18] Speaker 1: to go, especially with the surveillance technocratic state and what
[43:22] Speaker 1: they plan on implementing with that. Any thoughts on our
[43:26] Speaker 1: near future with what the upcoming administration has to offer.
[43:32] Speaker 2: Very few, because, like you have checked out of politics,
[43:34] Speaker 2: and I either think really far back in time or
[43:37] Speaker 2: I think about solutions regardless of who is in power,
[43:40] Speaker 2: and I just always assume it's the worst possible adversary
[43:43] Speaker 2: is how I operate. And so you know, look, Donald
[43:47] Speaker 2: Trump recently pardoned Ross Elbrick. Ross Holbrick was the creator
[43:50] Speaker 2: of a darknet website where you could voluntarily exchange things
[43:54] Speaker 2: and sell them pretty much whatever you want, some limitations, drugs.
[43:58] Speaker 2: I'm not sure if guns were ever part of it,
[44:00] Speaker 2: but you know, all sorts of things. So he was
[44:01] Speaker 2: sentenced to a double life sentence plus forty years, Okay,
[44:05] Speaker 2: more than El Chapo for a guy who, as far
[44:07] Speaker 2: as we know, never actually directly harmed anyone. So Trump
[44:09] Speaker 2: pardoned him, and Trump said, yeah, that's garbage. It's clear
[44:12] Speaker 2: that that was a activism. That is the reason he's
[44:16] Speaker 2: in there. So you know, that's cool, But I don't
[44:19] Speaker 2: know what else this guy's.
[44:20] Speaker 3: Going to do.
[44:20] Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like he has too much of a core,
[44:22] Speaker 2: but you know, he might, he might accidentally or you know,
[44:25] Speaker 2: for reasons of a deep conservativeism, do some useful things.
[44:29] Speaker 2: But I tend not to think about that too much.
[44:34] Speaker 2: I'm more interested on in kind of the big tech players.
[44:38] Speaker 2: I hope, For example, I do hope that Trump eases
[44:41] Speaker 2: up the attack on cryptocurrencies, especially the privacy focused ones.
[44:45] Speaker 2: Minero is a good option for when you can't use
[44:47] Speaker 2: cash or gold or something in person. Narrow is actually
[44:50] Speaker 2: a pretty cool tool. I talk about minerrow cryptocurrency a lot,
[44:53] Speaker 2: very cool technology, very great stuff, great example of useful
[44:57] Speaker 2: Internet technology, of which there there's very limited amount. But no.
[45:02] Speaker 2: In general, I have a kind of an anarchist perspective,
[45:04] Speaker 2: so I'll take whatever victories I can get in the
[45:08] Speaker 2: Trump administration. It looks like, you know, I don't think
[45:12] Speaker 2: all nationalism is bad, for example, but we'll see what
[45:16] Speaker 2: happens and just hope for the best. In the meanwhile,
[45:20] Speaker 2: always focus on ourselves and what we as individuals can do.
[45:23] Speaker 1: I'm with you on that one. And it's definitely smart
[45:26] Speaker 1: to probably look at the technocratic players because they most
[45:29] Speaker 1: likely have more power and control than any president ever has.
[45:33] Speaker 1: But let's get to some solutions and maybe ways to
[45:38] Speaker 1: navigate this technocracy that we're in. First of all, let's
[45:43] Speaker 1: address decentralization. Talk about what decentralization really is.
[45:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a buzzword, gets you funding, VC funding and
[45:53] Speaker 2: helps you launch a new meme coin. Just what decentral is.
[45:57] Speaker 2: But in reality, decentral is a is a way of
[46:01] Speaker 2: quote unquote organizing a society. It's not really organization, it's
[46:04] Speaker 2: it's kind of what happens when people are left to
[46:06] Speaker 2: do what they want. I point to the American Revolution
[46:10] Speaker 2: early America is a great example of decentralization, where people said, look,
[46:14] Speaker 2: you're not going to tell us what to do, You're
[46:15] Speaker 2: not going to tax us. We're going to be sure
[46:18] Speaker 2: part of kind of a collective. We're like, hey, we're Americans,
[46:20] Speaker 2: where people from Massachusetts, whatever identity you want to do.
[46:24] Speaker 2: But in general, the federal government doesn't really have any
[46:27] Speaker 2: power and people are free to be in whatever county
[46:31] Speaker 2: and town they want. And sure every town has its
[46:34] Speaker 2: own rules, but you can leave the town and go
[46:36] Speaker 2: to a different town, right, because we don't want to
[46:39] Speaker 2: live without rules. Right, Anarchy doesn't mean you don't have rules.
[46:41] Speaker 2: It just means that you have a lot of optionality.
[46:44] Speaker 2: And so that's kind of what decentralization is now from
[46:47] Speaker 2: a privacy privacy perspective, if you think about centralization, the
[46:50] Speaker 2: idea of centralization, let's go to the Soviet Union. What
[46:54] Speaker 2: Stalin and his advisor said is, we're not going to
[46:57] Speaker 2: have people do just what they want. We're not going
[46:59] Speaker 2: to have people live they want. We're going to uproot them.
[47:01] Speaker 2: We're going to come up with a scientific way of
[47:03] Speaker 2: arranging society and economics, and we're going to Okay, now,
[47:07] Speaker 2: these farmers, you're going over here, we need to harvest
[47:09] Speaker 2: these things, and we need this amount of coal, and
[47:12] Speaker 2: we need this infrastructure, and it's all coming from the
[47:15] Speaker 2: top down. There's a problem with that. Obviously you're not
[47:18] Speaker 2: taking into account human motivation, you're obviously there's immense exposure.
[47:23] Speaker 2: This center has to know all of the parts. Okay,
[47:26] Speaker 2: So privacy is impossible metaphysically in a central in a
[47:29] Speaker 2: centralized system because the center has to know the parts,
[47:31] Speaker 2: as opposed to decentralization, where there's connections between all the parts.
[47:35] Speaker 2: But sometimes this one's not connected to this one, and
[47:37] Speaker 2: in general the part can be totally isolated if it
[47:40] Speaker 2: wants to. Okay, So that's decentralization. So decentralized tools and
[47:45] Speaker 2: philosophy is really the only way to get to human
[47:48] Speaker 2: freedom and privacy. As far as technological tools people like
[47:53] Speaker 2: to talk about, let's let's focus on bitcoin and manarrow
[47:56] Speaker 2: to cryptocurrencies and how they do it. How they do
[48:00] Speaker 2: it is there's no center. There's nobody who owns bitcoin,
[48:03] Speaker 2: mineral controls it. Okay, you can go to the GitHub
[48:06] Speaker 2: of bitcoin, let's say, and look at the code. Well,
[48:09] Speaker 2: that's not what bitcoin is, because what bitcoin is is
[48:12] Speaker 2: everybody who's participating in the bitcoin system has their own
[48:16] Speaker 2: copy of bitcoin. They run it on their own node. Okay,
[48:19] Speaker 2: node is just a server, a computer that is dedicated
[48:22] Speaker 2: to running bitcoin in your house, and then you connect
[48:25] Speaker 2: to another computer and another computer, et cetera. You become
[48:28] Speaker 2: the bitcoin network. So fifty one percent of people is
[48:31] Speaker 2: bitcoin at any given time. And so that's a really
[48:34] Speaker 2: cool way. That was a really ingenious way of creating
[48:37] Speaker 2: a system that is not dependent on a center whatsoever.
[48:40] Speaker 2: So you have privacy, Okay, there's no center that knows
[48:42] Speaker 2: who you are. You can you can do it anonymously,
[48:46] Speaker 2: and you have a kind of a voting system as well,
[48:50] Speaker 2: where as long as everybody's kind of fifty one percent,
[48:53] Speaker 2: you have this really cool tool where you can with
[48:56] Speaker 2: scarcity and all these money characteristics, where you can send
[48:58] Speaker 2: money back and forth. There's no central repository of this bitcoin, right,
[49:02] Speaker 2: The bitcoin ledger is simply this a list of everybody
[49:06] Speaker 2: who owns everything that is just passed along between the notes,
[49:09] Speaker 2: and it's updated every ten minutes. Really cool ingenius system.
[49:13] Speaker 2: So that's a good example of how decentralization can work
[49:15] Speaker 2: very well and can give people a lot of freedom
[49:18] Speaker 2: and privacy.
[49:19] Speaker 1: What are some other methods that you'd recommend, just in
[49:23] Speaker 1: our everyday lives to start to check out of some
[49:28] Speaker 1: of these systems and be part of a more decentralized world.
[49:34] Speaker 1: If we have to have some sort of telecommunication things
[49:38] Speaker 1: of this nature, what are some of the products you'd recommend.
[49:43] Speaker 2: All right, let's start with the Let's start with your phone.
[49:46] Speaker 2: So your phone, as we discussed, is really a privacy nightmare,
[49:49] Speaker 2: but let's not focus too much on that note. We're
[49:52] Speaker 2: releasing our module explaining phone privacy in our main course
[49:55] Speaker 2: on Escape to Technocracy, so I'm really fresh on how
[49:58] Speaker 2: to think about phones in a structured way. First thing
[50:01] Speaker 2: we want to do is we want to stop using
[50:03] Speaker 2: our SMS, text messaging and our legacy phone calls. That
[50:09] Speaker 2: stuff is completely in the clear. Interested parties can access
[50:13] Speaker 2: that through the radio waves and by hacking the service providers.
[50:18] Speaker 2: This is a serious vulnerability. I saw recently China hacked
[50:21] Speaker 2: into like twelve telecoms companies and they scooped up all
[50:24] Speaker 2: kinds of data from Americans, all the text, phone calling,
[50:27] Speaker 2: potentially etc. It's not good. So easy thing you can
[50:31] Speaker 2: do is switch to a private messenger.
[50:33] Speaker 3: Okay.
[50:34] Speaker 2: Private messenger is one that uses end to end encryption. Okay,
[50:36] Speaker 2: we have this amazing technology called encryption where only you
[50:40] Speaker 2: and the recipients have the keys to unlock the message,
[50:43] Speaker 2: and it happens pretty instantaneously these days, so you don't
[50:45] Speaker 2: even notice it's happening. So something like signal, I know
[50:48] Speaker 2: some people they don't like signal. Private messenger, well, there's others.
[50:51] Speaker 2: You have Session, you have Simplex, there's a few of
[50:54] Speaker 2: these out there. Move all of your main context to
[50:57] Speaker 2: a private messenger. Very simple thing to do. They have
[51:01] Speaker 2: to have it as well. Okay, that's how it works.
[51:03] Speaker 2: But you can move everybody over to private messaging. And
[51:07] Speaker 2: so that's one simple thing you can do with your phone.
[51:09] Speaker 2: There's a lot more, but if you just do that,
[51:11] Speaker 2: you're starting off pretty strong. Let's move to your computer. Well,
[51:16] Speaker 2: let's actually step back and think about your Internet. I'm
[51:18] Speaker 2: always connected to a virtual private network a VPN anytime
[51:21] Speaker 2: I'm connected to the Internet. What that does is it's
[51:25] Speaker 2: hide your Internet activity from your Internet service provider. It
[51:29] Speaker 2: does offload it to somebody else, but that somebody else,
[51:33] Speaker 2: such as MOLVAD, VPN or IVPN, has been vetted, trusted,
[51:38] Speaker 2: mostly vetted. Right, we don't trust anybody but vetted to
[51:42] Speaker 2: not be logging anything. So we might do that, or
[51:45] Speaker 2: we might use so that the Internet service provider can't
[51:48] Speaker 2: see what we're doing. So get a VPN, use a
[51:50] Speaker 2: VPN on your phone, on your computer. You can even
[51:53] Speaker 2: get it on the router level, so all of your
[51:54] Speaker 2: traffic is protected by the VPN. If you don't trust
[51:57] Speaker 2: the VPN, or you want something else that's free, the
[51:59] Speaker 2: tour browser is a great option. Tour is it technology
[52:03] Speaker 2: works similarly to VPN's great great option, the tour browser.
[52:07] Speaker 2: So you do those three things, you're headed in a
[52:10] Speaker 2: good direction. Beyond that, I'll say one more thing and
[52:13] Speaker 2: then let you jump in and steer us into whatever
[52:15] Speaker 2: direction you want. Think about all the big tech options
[52:18] Speaker 2: you're using and think about an alternative. Okay. You use Gmail, well,
[52:21] Speaker 2: maybe migrate over to proton mail. You use YouTube, well
[52:26] Speaker 2: see if it's on Rumble or Odyssey. You use Windows
[52:29] Speaker 2: or mac Os, well, learn about Linux.
[52:32] Speaker 3: Okay.
[52:32] Speaker 2: This is also something we talk about in our courses,
[52:34] Speaker 2: in my book, etc. Linux is a free and open
[52:37] Speaker 2: source software operating system, so we see what's going on.
[52:40] Speaker 2: There's no tracking is happening in Windows, especially also in Max,
[52:45] Speaker 2: so we can learn about Linux and move over. Once
[52:47] Speaker 2: you do any of these steps, and especially let's say Linux,
[52:50] Speaker 2: you're going to feel very free. You know you're not
[52:52] Speaker 2: being tracked and you have a lot more freedom to
[52:54] Speaker 2: say what you want, investigate what you want, and you've
[52:57] Speaker 2: started off especially the mindset of seeing what the problem
[53:02] Speaker 2: is finding an alternative. That's really what it comes down to.
[53:05] Speaker 1: Are you concerned at all about the future of podcasting
[53:09] Speaker 1: platforms and is it possible that they could be compromised?
[53:16] Speaker 2: Podcasting is pretty extraordinary, actually, it's another good example of
[53:21] Speaker 2: decentralized technology. Because in the past you had to be
[53:24] Speaker 2: approved by the FCC to say anything over the quote
[53:27] Speaker 2: unquote airwaves. Right now we have the Internet and podcasting
[53:31] Speaker 2: is there's no center of podcasting, right you basically have
[53:35] Speaker 2: you do go through a service, but I guess theoretically
[53:37] Speaker 2: you can make your own service where you're uploading it
[53:39] Speaker 2: to various podcast repositories. And there's infinite hundreds, certainly hundreds
[53:45] Speaker 2: or thousands of podcast players that can access this. So
[53:48] Speaker 2: Spotify can censor you, yes, and they have censored things.
[53:51] Speaker 2: I think famously they took down Joe Rogan's talks with
[53:55] Speaker 2: Alex Jones when Joe Rogan went over there some of
[53:58] Speaker 2: my favorite ones. By the way, one of them I
[54:00] Speaker 2: remember got me out of about a depression. It was
[54:03] Speaker 2: so amazing. So Spotify can censor. Apple podcasts cansensor, and
[54:08] Speaker 2: if we're being honest, those are like fifty sixty percent
[54:10] Speaker 2: of all podcasts traffic is those those two players. However,
[54:14] Speaker 2: you can always tell your audience, hey, we're going to
[54:16] Speaker 2: migrate over here. Make sure you're out of Spotify somewhere else.
[54:20] Speaker 2: So I think there's going to be it's gonna be
[54:21] Speaker 2: a cat and mouse game. We have seen politicians I
[54:24] Speaker 2: remember recently, I don't remember who exactly, said yeah, that
[54:27] Speaker 2: we need to crack down on podcasts, and that's gonna
[54:30] Speaker 2: be difficult for them, not impossible. They can go after
[54:33] Speaker 2: Spotify and Apple podcasts, but then we'll just have to
[54:36] Speaker 2: tell people, Hey, it's time go to Rumble, it's time
[54:38] Speaker 2: to go to Odyssey bit shoot, that's where you'll have
[54:40] Speaker 2: to listen to me. And of course, you just have
[54:42] Speaker 2: your website hosted in a place that's outside the US
[54:46] Speaker 2: in a bulletproof you're hosting jurisdiction, and you just upload
[54:50] Speaker 2: direct MP three's to your website. That's always the tried
[54:52] Speaker 2: and true method. So yeah, that can create a dent
[54:55] Speaker 2: and things I think would be difficult for them to
[54:57] Speaker 2: censor podcasts, but it's certainly not outside of their app
[55:00] Speaker 2: type and probably not entirely outside of their reach.
[55:03] Speaker 1: Right on, we got a couple of minutes left. Is
[55:06] Speaker 1: there anything important that we haven't covered about privacy or
[55:11] Speaker 1: what we can do individually to navigate this. To close
[55:14] Speaker 1: out with.
[55:17] Speaker 2: I'll just talk briefly about the privacy cryptocurrency minarrow. I
[55:20] Speaker 2: don't talk about cryptocurrency as hey invest in this, etc.
[55:23] Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of garbage out there, and most
[55:25] Speaker 2: of these things are scams, and I don't think that
[55:28] Speaker 2: these things are worth the price that they're being sold for,
[55:31] Speaker 2: especially something like bitcoin. I like Minaro as a privacy
[55:34] Speaker 2: cryptocurrency uses all the things we talk about, decentralization, encryption,
[55:38] Speaker 2: all these sorts of good things. It combines them. If
[55:40] Speaker 2: you want to get into minarrow, I have some episodes
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[57:41] Speaker 1: We live in an incredible age of information. More and
[57:45] Speaker 1: more we're discovering that we've been lied to and misled
[57:49] Speaker 1: about much of our human history. Corey Hughes is provided today.
[57:54] Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Ole Damiguard.
[57:56] Speaker 1: He's an author, international speaker, former journalist, musician, artist and investigator.
[58:03] Speaker 1: O welcome back. How you doing, Thank.
[58:06] Speaker 3: You, Chris, I'm doing great. And a happy New Year
[58:09] Speaker 3: to you and everyone who is yes, happy to you.
[58:12] Speaker 3: I really think that I normally say this that this
[58:16] Speaker 3: year we're gonna turn it around and make it the
[58:18] Speaker 3: best year ever. I keep saying that. I would say
[58:22] Speaker 3: this year as well. It's we have this minor bump
[58:26] Speaker 3: in the road called the New World Order, but once
[58:28] Speaker 3: we transcend that, Loujah baby first called beer on me
[58:32] Speaker 3: and let's celebrate.
[58:33] Speaker 1: I'm with you, man. I have high hopes. I always have,
[58:37] Speaker 1: and I think there's just a few of these dark
[58:40] Speaker 1: parasites that we need to scrape off the surface of
[58:43] Speaker 1: the planet and things would be a lot better. But
[58:46] Speaker 1: today we're going to discuss the dark history surrounding some
[58:50] Speaker 1: of the most iconic rock musicians from the sixties and
[58:53] Speaker 1: seventies and the possible intelligence operations fueling the Laurel Canyon
[58:58] Speaker 1: music scene. It would seem that many of the legendary
[59:02] Speaker 1: musicians from that era may have been part of culture
[59:06] Speaker 1: creation operations. This is very fascinating. I'm very much looking
[59:10] Speaker 1: forward to getting into your research about this. Before we do,
[59:14] Speaker 1: just remind the audience where they can find your work.
[59:19] Speaker 3: My website is the Damagard dot com with double M
[59:22] Speaker 3: and one a dammagard dot com. It also is light
[59:26] Speaker 3: on Conspiracies dot com. It's been that for Conspiracies plural
[59:30] Speaker 3: dot com for forever and ever, but and now that
[59:33] Speaker 3: word has been hijacked or that name. So if you
[59:37] Speaker 3: go to Google, you put in light on Conspiracies and
[59:40] Speaker 3: just do a search there you will see that it's
[59:42] Speaker 3: my name and a government podcast What the hell is that?
[59:47] Speaker 3: And my ordinary name Ula Damagard dot com. It's if
[59:51] Speaker 3: you check that one, it goes to some bizarre website, massive,
[59:57] Speaker 3: big website in El Paso, Texas. So yeah, anyway, I
[1:00:03] Speaker 3: just want to say, there's lots of rumble channels in
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: my name, not me. YouTube channels my ones have been
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: censored so many years ago and shut down. So all
[1:00:14] Speaker 3: of these things that are popping up in different areas,
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: very few of them are actually me. So if I
[1:00:19] Speaker 3: say stupid things, well I do that normally as well,
[1:00:23] Speaker 3: but otherwise than I please take it a little bit
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: like that. If I say stuff that it might not
[1:00:29] Speaker 3: be me saying it anyway. So that's where you can
[1:00:32] Speaker 3: find me light on conspiracies. That's more than one three
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: hundred interviews with yours, truly, hundreds of podcasts, webinars, you
[1:00:44] Speaker 3: name it, about six thousand articles. Yeah, you can stay
[1:00:49] Speaker 3: there for years if you want to. And I have
[1:00:52] Speaker 3: done my absolute utmost to that every single item that
[1:00:56] Speaker 3: is on that website, which is sort of like almost
[1:01:00] Speaker 3: my whole life pushed into a website, that it is
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: based on true truth as far as I can, as
[1:01:07] Speaker 3: far as I understand, and as far as I see
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: what truth is, then it's there. So it's not easy
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: these days to know what is true and what is not.
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: So yeah, orders to navigate through whoa.
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: Whoa whoa, and especially now when AI comes in and
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: with or. I mean, I'm sure they've had access to
[1:01:31] Speaker 3: this technology for a long long time which has now
[1:01:35] Speaker 3: been shared with us. But if you look at all
[1:01:39] Speaker 3: the news footage and audio and whatever, we have to
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: be very very careful just because Putin says something. I mean,
[1:01:47] Speaker 3: nowadays you can use TikTok stuff and just swap faces
[1:01:51] Speaker 3: with people and change your voice, making you sound like
[1:01:54] Speaker 3: Mike Tyson. It's like scary, And I just want to
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: point out that, for instance, if you go to I
[1:02:03] Speaker 3: think it's CBS everything that CBS does, if you go
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: on YouTube and check it out, then you've got the
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: contact or CBS for whatever inquiries all of these things
[1:02:14] Speaker 3: with links. And then when it comes to licensing for
[1:02:17] Speaker 3: the videos, there's no link, but there is very Tone.
[1:02:22] Speaker 3: It's called very Tone, so you have to look at
[1:02:24] Speaker 3: you can't click on it, but you have to look
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: it up. Once you look it up, it's a website
[1:02:28] Speaker 3: for auto generated news and media. Yeah. That's and I'm like,
[1:02:37] Speaker 3: what what what? What? So? Please check that out. And
[1:02:40] Speaker 3: also look how CBS News is also connected to Paramount Pictures.
[1:02:48] Speaker 3: What so in the in the links below, what we're
[1:02:52] Speaker 3: being fed as news, we're connected to a massive, big
[1:02:57] Speaker 3: movie company that creates stuff out of nothing, and also
[1:03:01] Speaker 3: very tone that creates ai or too generated news feeds
[1:03:07] Speaker 3: and media, including footage that looks unbelievable. True, So when
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: you hear when you see alleged mass shootings or alleged
[1:03:18] Speaker 3: terror attacks or whatever, and people are being into you,
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: is it even true? Is it even true? That's what
[1:03:24] Speaker 3: I'm asking all the time. Yeah, that sounds really pretty
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: goddamn awful, because it's always awful that you can for
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: sure if it's them, it would be awful because the
[1:03:35] Speaker 3: thing is for them is to generate fear. That's the thing.
[1:03:38] Speaker 3: It's like normal marketing, but the product is fear.
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: So the media and intelligence has had relationships, symbiotic relationships
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: since the beginning of some of these institutions, and it
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: allows them to control the narrative. And when it comes
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: to things like the Laurel Canian music scene, it seems
[1:03:59] Speaker 1: like every major cultural movement that has potential to be
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: beneficial to humanity is quickly infiltrated by these shadowy factions
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: and steered in directions that are destructive to humanity. So
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: where did you begin when trying to understand these conspiracies?
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: Behind our music entertainment business and this culture creation that occurred.
[1:04:28] Speaker 3: Thank you for bringing me back to Laura Canyon. And
[1:04:32] Speaker 3: where did that begin? I have no idea. I just
[1:04:37] Speaker 3: know that over I mean, I've been down this rabbit
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: hole for almost forty five years. Now, my god, what happened?
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: But when the longer I've been in this area, the
[1:04:50] Speaker 3: wide ed has become and because for me, it was
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: top political assassinations, but then that started spreading out false
[1:04:57] Speaker 3: flags and then how to manipulate the population. All of
[1:05:02] Speaker 3: it goes hand in hand. And so the areas that
[1:05:08] Speaker 3: soon were areas that to catch my interest was the
[1:05:12] Speaker 3: music business, the film industry, and media because that our
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: main areas, main arenas for them to get into our mind,
[1:05:25] Speaker 3: into our head when they can mess with us. So
[1:05:28] Speaker 3: they put a lot of effort to infiltrate these areas.
[1:05:32] Speaker 3: And nowadays, if you look at Hollywood, it's like is
[1:05:36] Speaker 3: there anything not controlled? Is there anything released that has
[1:05:41] Speaker 3: not been approved by the Pentagon. First it's like what
[1:05:45] Speaker 3: you know, rom coms and stuff like, yeah, approved by Pentagon?
[1:05:50] Speaker 3: And the music I mean, now I'm not it's not missing.
[1:05:55] Speaker 3: There's so many of these individuals that are on the inside.
[1:05:58] Speaker 3: I listened to people on the inside. They are saying
[1:06:02] Speaker 3: the same thing, that the music business is very very
[1:06:06] Speaker 3: very dark, very dark, and that is connected to some
[1:06:11] Speaker 3: very dark things. It seems like almost that many of
[1:06:16] Speaker 3: them are signing this contract not with a record label,
[1:06:20] Speaker 3: but with the guy with the horns and who eats
[1:06:22] Speaker 3: with a fork and has this red complexion. Their words
[1:06:27] Speaker 3: not mine, their words not mine that they signed a
[1:06:32] Speaker 3: deal with the devil. That is what they say. Okay,
[1:06:35] Speaker 3: so we have these areas where if that is true,
[1:06:40] Speaker 3: and if this has been going on for a long time,
[1:06:43] Speaker 3: because if you listen even back to the blues music,
[1:06:47] Speaker 3: you know, in the thirties forties, like that, there's this
[1:06:50] Speaker 3: theme that he went down to the crossroads and signed
[1:06:54] Speaker 3: a deal with the devil, sold his soul to the devil.
[1:06:59] Speaker 3: This is from the you know, like the thirties. You
[1:07:01] Speaker 3: have these. I can't remember this guy who couldn't play
[1:07:05] Speaker 3: the guitar hardly, he went down to the crossroads, disappeared,
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: came back and was absolutely the best guitarist ever in
[1:07:13] Speaker 3: the nineteen I think nineteen thirties. I can't remember his name,
[1:07:16] Speaker 3: but he's one of these and everybody was like, what
[1:07:21] Speaker 3: happened Robert Johnson? There you go, Thank you so much.
[1:07:25] Speaker 3: Robert Johnson, the guy with the hat and the guitar.
[1:07:28] Speaker 3: He came back and he just knew it all and
[1:07:32] Speaker 3: he played the way that just got people in. This
[1:07:37] Speaker 3: is the thing when you connect with whatever the devil is,
[1:07:41] Speaker 3: if that's an energy or if it's I'm still confused
[1:07:44] Speaker 3: to what that is. If it's an entity or a
[1:07:49] Speaker 3: real thing or I don't know, but what it is,
[1:07:54] Speaker 3: it's very like just like the snake in Paradise, you know, yeah,
[1:08:01] Speaker 3: it's very like it will suck you in. And this
[1:08:04] Speaker 3: is where it's dangerous because they're very charismatic, the people
[1:08:09] Speaker 3: that makes these deals. The thing is it's here. I
[1:08:12] Speaker 3: live in Balley and here it's very very true. They
[1:08:16] Speaker 3: don't know anything about Hollywood or anything, not at all,
[1:08:20] Speaker 3: but here. If you want to become successful, not a
[1:08:23] Speaker 3: problem at all. All you have to do, sign a
[1:08:25] Speaker 3: deal with the devil and sacrifice a relative. That's it, boom,
[1:08:30] Speaker 3: sacrifice a child, whatever, and success is in your pocket.
[1:08:35] Speaker 3: That is part of daily life here. So I find
[1:08:39] Speaker 3: that interesting to live in a society where that is
[1:08:42] Speaker 3: actually the truth instead of just a speculation about some
[1:08:47] Speaker 3: industry far away. So anyway, so over the years, I've
[1:08:52] Speaker 3: seen that so many are talking about the same things.
[1:08:55] Speaker 3: And then in that area I started seeing very weird
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: things when it came to rock stars and rock bands
[1:09:05] Speaker 3: and not but then it going into the pop industry,
[1:09:09] Speaker 3: into that whole thing where it's like, what is going
[1:09:13] Speaker 3: on here? Because this is more and more looking like
[1:09:16] Speaker 3: a factory line, that there's some kind of industrial production,
[1:09:24] Speaker 3: which is very obvious now with boy bands and girl
[1:09:27] Speaker 3: bands and whatever. It's very out in the open that
[1:09:29] Speaker 3: that's how they do it. They pick one c one sweet,
[1:09:33] Speaker 3: one bad, one black, one white, one Chinese. So there's
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: anything for everything for there's something for everyone, just like
[1:09:43] Speaker 3: when they put together the identity of Barack Obama. Every
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: anything for there's something for everyone. You know that. But
[1:09:52] Speaker 3: then when you start going back, and this is where
[1:09:55] Speaker 3: we're coming back, I'm sorry for being a bit like
[1:09:58] Speaker 3: wrong branded. But so to bring it back, we have
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: this thing in the early sixties that just revolutionized music
[1:10:09] Speaker 3: and just made the whole thing explode like never before.
[1:10:14] Speaker 3: And I would strongly suggest that I made the many
[1:10:19] Speaker 3: have we talked about the Beatles.
[1:10:21] Speaker 1: No, we haven't you briefly mentioned it last time, but
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: we didn't get into.
[1:10:24] Speaker 3: It, Okay, so let's do that next time. But and
[1:10:28] Speaker 3: I want to say to start with, I'm sorry to
[1:10:31] Speaker 3: be the bringer of bad news. Please let the music
[1:10:34] Speaker 3: speak for itself, but there are things we have to
[1:10:38] Speaker 3: look at, especially since it's how it's being used. That's
[1:10:42] Speaker 3: when I'm like, WHOA, So sorry to be the bringer
[1:10:47] Speaker 3: of bad news. But the truth is the truth, whatever
[1:10:50] Speaker 3: that means. So Kennedy was killed boom November twenty second
[1:10:58] Speaker 3: in sixty three, and it took like the world was
[1:11:03] Speaker 3: in massive shock when that happened, When people started scratching
[1:11:08] Speaker 3: their heads, saying, wait a second, there's something very bizarre
[1:11:12] Speaker 3: going on here, because that doesn't match, that doesn't make
[1:11:15] Speaker 3: any sense at all what's going on. So some people
[1:11:20] Speaker 3: started looking in that direction right when that happened. She
[1:11:24] Speaker 3: loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, on that side of the Atlantic.
[1:11:28] Speaker 3: And suddenly remember in those days that weren't like media
[1:11:32] Speaker 3: wasn't this big. It was like very limited. In most countries.
[1:11:36] Speaker 3: There was one channel, state owned channel, TV channel maybe two.
[1:11:41] Speaker 3: And then there were countries like yours where it's just
[1:11:44] Speaker 3: like there was in already in those days. I think
[1:11:47] Speaker 3: there were loads. But anyway, so instead of away from
[1:11:53] Speaker 3: this horrible traumatic thing with Kennedy, suddenly in came She
[1:11:58] Speaker 3: Loves You. Yeah, yeah, Beatlemania, the whole thing where the
[1:12:01] Speaker 3: world was shocked by the haircut of this what that will.
[1:12:08] Speaker 3: I'm just mentioning that because that please understand how naive
[1:12:13] Speaker 3: at a population had to be to be shocked by
[1:12:17] Speaker 3: a haircut like that. That is I mean, they were
[1:12:20] Speaker 3: even in suits, but it was the haircut. They had
[1:12:23] Speaker 3: identical haircuts. So when you look on that side of
[1:12:28] Speaker 3: the Atlantic and then you have this side of the Atlantic,
[1:12:33] Speaker 3: the Europe and you know, the US. What happened more
[1:12:39] Speaker 3: or less at the same time as Beatles appeared. And
[1:12:43] Speaker 3: I would strongly suggest that Beatles is not a band
[1:12:45] Speaker 3: that was just appeared out of nowhere, but it was
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: actually a creation of the Tavistock Institute. They did not
[1:12:54] Speaker 3: write their own songs. I'm very sorry to say, but
[1:12:57] Speaker 3: they amazing. I can back this up big time. Please
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: let me come back to your next show. We do
[1:13:03] Speaker 3: the Beatles. But in five years, five years only, that
[1:13:12] Speaker 3: is not a lot of years. From sixty four, the
[1:13:17] Speaker 3: beginning of sixty four to sixty nine, She Loves You, Yeah, Yeah,
[1:13:21] Speaker 3: ending with Lucy in the Skies, in the Sky of Diamonds, Elis,
[1:13:25] Speaker 3: the hippie movement, acid trips, Monterey Festivals, all of that
[1:13:33] Speaker 3: in five years. From people being shot by this to
[1:13:38] Speaker 3: make lovenotba dot war painted on your belly, you know,
[1:13:44] Speaker 3: running around dancing, flower power, this whole thing, Jimmy Hendrix
[1:13:49] Speaker 3: in five years. Can you imagine? So what happened? What
[1:13:56] Speaker 3: happened because in the sixties there was a reason why
[1:13:59] Speaker 3: they took Kennedy. I mean, Kennedy hadn't even his body
[1:14:03] Speaker 3: hadn't even become cold before Johnson wrote the sign the
[1:14:11] Speaker 3: order that actually started the Vietnam War actively on the
[1:14:14] Speaker 3: American part. This was a French war, a drug war,
[1:14:19] Speaker 3: not against drugs, but it was based around drugs to
[1:14:23] Speaker 3: push it into the West. But anyway, so massive amount
[1:14:27] Speaker 3: of money involved, and so they the people behind that
[1:14:33] Speaker 3: war was very, very aware of the problem with the
[1:14:38] Speaker 3: young generation. You know, if they start getting involved, we
[1:14:43] Speaker 3: are having a we have a problem here. Because at
[1:14:46] Speaker 3: the in the mid sixties you almost had a civil
[1:14:49] Speaker 3: war in the US. You had like there was almost
[1:14:54] Speaker 3: a parthide. I would call it a parththide in the US,
[1:14:57] Speaker 3: you know, black and White, where this whole thing was
[1:15:00] Speaker 3: just brewing, and then you had the Vietnam War, and
[1:15:04] Speaker 3: then you had all kinds of stuff going on as well,
[1:15:07] Speaker 3: with riots and just people were fed up, fed up.
[1:15:12] Speaker 3: So you had this powder keg that was about to explode.
[1:15:17] Speaker 3: How can you deal with that? How can you defuse
[1:15:20] Speaker 3: something like that? Drugs? Drugs? Drugs, drugs? So how look
[1:15:27] Speaker 3: at the COVID, look at all of these operations. How
[1:15:30] Speaker 3: do you get people to take the drug, whatever that
[1:15:35] Speaker 3: drug is, if it's a JAB, or if it's an LSD,
[1:15:39] Speaker 3: or if it whatever it is, how can you get
[1:15:42] Speaker 3: them to take it? You have to get into their mind.
[1:15:47] Speaker 3: And so mind control. People think mind control is like
[1:15:53] Speaker 3: somebody sitting in a chair tied down, being dripped in
[1:15:56] Speaker 3: their eyes and watching horrible things. Yeah. True, but they
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: are also much more subtle things that just comes into
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: your mind and just takes over without you even knowing it.
[1:16:09] Speaker 3: That is the key functionality of the Tavistock Institute. If
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: you don't know about the Tavistock Institute and you are
[1:16:17] Speaker 3: sort of interested in what's going on in your life,
[1:16:20] Speaker 3: check it out. There is no Tabby Stock, and these
[1:16:25] Speaker 3: are like scientists and Nazi type of people in the background.
[1:16:29] Speaker 3: You never hear about them, you never see them, and
[1:16:32] Speaker 3: they affect your life in a massive right now. They're
[1:16:36] Speaker 3: the ones making transgender thing, this whole liquid gender type
[1:16:40] Speaker 3: of thing normal. The things that would be like from
[1:16:43] Speaker 3: Monty Python not that long ago, where people would laugh
[1:16:47] Speaker 3: and oh my god, how stupid is that? Is now normal?
[1:16:51] Speaker 3: How did that happen? The Tabstock Institute, How did the
[1:16:55] Speaker 3: sixties happen? The Tavistock Institute. Both sides of the pond,
[1:16:59] Speaker 3: you know. So we had Beatles and the Rolling Stones
[1:17:06] Speaker 3: coming in in Europe. If you look at this almost
[1:17:10] Speaker 3: as a military operation, I would suggest, boom boom. On
[1:17:15] Speaker 3: the other side of the Atlantic. Suddenly in sixty four
[1:17:19] Speaker 3: sixty five, the rock scene in the US exploded and
[1:17:24] Speaker 3: all of these incredible bands just appeared, like the Doors,
[1:17:29] Speaker 3: the Monkeys, the Beach Boys, the Jefferson stars Airship Starship
[1:17:35] Speaker 3: whatever their name was. You had the Crosby Stills and Nash,
[1:17:39] Speaker 3: you had Joan Bias, You had so many of these
[1:17:43] Speaker 3: incredible bands that just came and boom. So interesting. I mean,
[1:17:50] Speaker 3: that's amazing that it was a time there. This was
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: the time when creativity was let loose. Yeah, okay, let's
[1:17:58] Speaker 3: go for that one. So we start looking into where
[1:18:01] Speaker 3: did all of these bands come from? Because at the time,
[1:18:06] Speaker 3: in the early sixties you had the major music scenes
[1:18:09] Speaker 3: were not in Los Angeles at all at all. There
[1:18:14] Speaker 3: was no music scene there, no clubs, no nothing. They
[1:18:19] Speaker 3: were in New York, you had Nashville, you had Memphis,
[1:18:24] Speaker 3: and I think that's about it. The major ones not
[1:18:29] Speaker 3: in Los Angeles at all. So but when you look
[1:18:33] Speaker 3: at all of these bands, where did they come from
[1:18:35] Speaker 3: Los Angeles? And more precisely from a tiny, tiny, tiny
[1:18:44] Speaker 3: little place called Laura Canyon. Okay, that is odd, but anyway,
[1:18:51] Speaker 3: so we had this it's northwhere let me see, northeast
[1:18:55] Speaker 3: of Hollywood, up in the mountains. There's some whin roads
[1:19:01] Speaker 3: up like a hilly area. Not many buildings. I mean,
[1:19:04] Speaker 3: this is not a city, it's hardly a town. It's
[1:19:07] Speaker 3: most like spread out houses in those days, spread out
[1:19:11] Speaker 3: houses like that. And for some reason, we had all
[1:19:15] Speaker 3: of these people, future rock stars and the future very
[1:19:22] Speaker 3: famous musician that in that whole thing were drawn out
[1:19:28] Speaker 3: of like a magic magnet. Two Laura Canyon, you had
[1:19:32] Speaker 3: Frank Zappa. His wood big wooden house was the center
[1:19:36] Speaker 3: of that whole thing. Okay, So all of these people
[1:19:42] Speaker 3: came to that area. When you hear interviews with them,
[1:19:46] Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, it was just like amazing. We were
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: just you know, we just came down the road. I
[1:19:51] Speaker 3: was hit shying and there was Frank Zappa picking me up,
[1:19:54] Speaker 3: like what yeah, yeah. And I was just driving down
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: hiding out because I was avoiding my military duty, you
[1:20:02] Speaker 3: know like that, and I was hiding out in Laura Canyon. Okay,
[1:20:07] Speaker 3: that's good for you. Okay. So all of these people
[1:20:10] Speaker 3: came there somehow untouched by what was going on in
[1:20:15] Speaker 3: society when everybody else was being drafted to the Vietnam War.
[1:20:18] Speaker 3: All of these ones that were saying like this to society,
[1:20:21] Speaker 3: you would think, let's send them first. Nope, they just
[1:20:25] Speaker 3: somehow managed to And then all of these ones came
[1:20:33] Speaker 3: to this place called Laura Canyon. Well it's amazing. I
[1:20:36] Speaker 3: can mean suddenly sometimes things happen, you know, you start
[1:20:41] Speaker 3: something and people are drawn to it. But what was very,
[1:20:45] Speaker 3: very very odd is that in the center of this
[1:20:48] Speaker 3: tiny little community, it's a CIA base called Lookout Mountain
[1:20:53] Speaker 3: Air Force Base. Okay, so you're telling me that all
[1:21:01] Speaker 3: of these outlaws, these outcasts of society, all of them,
[1:21:06] Speaker 3: Then let's find a place to hide out, to hide away,
[1:21:11] Speaker 3: to just do our stuff. Do a lot of drugs,
[1:21:13] Speaker 3: do a lot of whatever. Yeah, next door to an
[1:21:18] Speaker 3: CIA massive base. Does that make any sense to you?
[1:21:25] Speaker 3: I'm like, I would avoid that place if I with them.
[1:21:28] Speaker 3: But here it's the exact opposite. And this the Lookout
[1:21:32] Speaker 3: Air Mountain Air Force Base. It was a former Air
[1:21:36] Speaker 3: Force base, but it was like a CIA headquarters. It
[1:21:39] Speaker 3: was a massive, massive, center for film production. They had
[1:21:46] Speaker 3: film studios up there and they had they produced. According
[1:21:51] Speaker 3: to the information that has come out, they produced more
[1:21:57] Speaker 3: movies and films than Hollywood at the time. Have you
[1:22:02] Speaker 3: ever seen anything that you know came out of that studio?
[1:22:06] Speaker 1: Weren't they also the ones that produce these nuclear bomb
[1:22:11] Speaker 1: test recreation videos.
[1:22:16] Speaker 3: This is not officially, but I would strongly suggest so.
[1:22:20] Speaker 3: And if you believe in these A bomb things, m
[1:22:26] Speaker 3: ask yourself when you see this whole thing, when the
[1:22:29] Speaker 3: explosion is there and all of these houses are being
[1:22:32] Speaker 3: like that, what was the camera standing on?
[1:22:35] Speaker 1: It's pretty ridiculous.
[1:22:36] Speaker 3: I mean, the camera doesn't even move, and was that
[1:22:40] Speaker 3: some kind of titanium building. Unbelievable whatever, how is that
[1:22:47] Speaker 3: even possible? We can go into this whole thing, Nagasaki Hiroshima.
[1:22:54] Speaker 3: You know why the bridge is standing? Why would all
[1:22:57] Speaker 3: the concrete things standing but all of the el's burnt down?
[1:23:02] Speaker 3: It When you start looking into this and you start
[1:23:05] Speaker 3: using logic, normal logic, I'm sorry you're in for a
[1:23:10] Speaker 3: right because it's like, what are you saying? Because I've
[1:23:14] Speaker 3: been told this and then it doesn't match up, so
[1:23:18] Speaker 3: something must go be wrong here. But let's get back
[1:23:21] Speaker 3: to Laura. Can please Chris when you hear me go up,
[1:23:24] Speaker 3: she just pulled me back in. Okay, So we had
[1:23:31] Speaker 3: Frank Zappa. I'm still confused about why Sapa because his
[1:23:36] Speaker 3: whole I mean, he was so anti establishment all of
[1:23:41] Speaker 3: these things, speaking out so openly about it, and yet
[1:23:45] Speaker 3: he was in the exact position where he was doing
[1:23:48] Speaker 3: the opposite. It's almost like Elon Musk, you know. So anyway,
[1:23:54] Speaker 3: his house was. It was the big, massive wooden house,
[1:23:58] Speaker 3: and all of these future rock stars came there. The
[1:24:02] Speaker 3: thing that is interesting with more or less all of
[1:24:05] Speaker 3: them is that their parents were somehow connected to American
[1:24:11] Speaker 3: military industrial I think many of them had grown up
[1:24:16] Speaker 3: on air force basis. Many of them their parents were
[1:24:20] Speaker 3: involved with with the chemical warfare MK Ultra. Also they
[1:24:27] Speaker 3: were also involved in.
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: Wasn't Jim Morrison's father involved with the Gulf of Tonkin?
[1:24:37] Speaker 3: Not involved? He was the he was the person he
[1:24:42] Speaker 3: was that I think he was an adult. He was
[1:24:44] Speaker 3: the head of them, of the warship that is said
[1:24:48] Speaker 3: to have been attacked. He he got. This is interesting
[1:24:54] Speaker 3: because Jim Morrison and him were like two sides of
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: two on each side of this a fence, but working
[1:25:03] Speaker 3: actively at the same time, I would say. And the
[1:25:06] Speaker 3: day that Jim Morrison died, his father retired. So they
[1:25:10] Speaker 3: appeared on stage, they did their job, and they disappeared
[1:25:16] Speaker 3: out of the radar. There are many big question marks
[1:25:19] Speaker 3: around Jim Morrison's death, but anyway, Jim Morrison is one
[1:25:23] Speaker 3: of these very iconic individuals that appears. And I want
[1:25:29] Speaker 3: to say also my friend Dave McGowan, he was the
[1:25:32] Speaker 3: guy that really got me onto what was going on
[1:25:36] Speaker 3: Laura Canyon. Unfortunately he died. Why he died, I mean,
[1:25:40] Speaker 3: I have big question marks around his cancer, but he
[1:25:43] Speaker 3: was an incredible researcher, so a lot of this should
[1:25:48] Speaker 3: be dedicated to him. But anyway, so Jim Morrison, for instance,
[1:25:53] Speaker 3: and the doors were all of these people were pulled
[1:25:56] Speaker 3: into this tiny little area, met up in the house
[1:25:59] Speaker 3: of Frank Zappa. And like Jim Morrison, he came with
[1:26:04] Speaker 3: a stack of paper the lyrics to all of these songs.
[1:26:07] Speaker 3: He was never seen to write anything. He was this poet.
[1:26:10] Speaker 3: Nobody ever saw him write anything after He never wrote
[1:26:15] Speaker 3: any additional songs. Many of the bands that came there
[1:26:21] Speaker 3: couldn't even play, so they were handed They were handed
[1:26:27] Speaker 3: instruments and amplifiers who gave them that they were signed us.
[1:26:32] Speaker 3: They were signed with CBS. CBS at the time were
[1:26:37] Speaker 3: very anti anti establishment individuals officially, and yet they were
[1:26:47] Speaker 3: setting the whole thing up studio time, all of these things.
[1:26:51] Speaker 3: Who were playing on the records of all of these bands,
[1:26:54] Speaker 3: very few of the people we are told instead there
[1:26:58] Speaker 3: were studio musicians in the background, including the Beatles. I'm
[1:27:03] Speaker 3: going to come back to that, but you had, for instance,
[1:27:07] Speaker 3: that there's this an incredible woman. Her name is Carol Kaye,
[1:27:12] Speaker 3: I think a bass player. She has played on hundreds
[1:27:18] Speaker 3: of these albums, including the Beach Boys, all of these,
[1:27:21] Speaker 3: all of these things where you said, oh, it's Jefferson Stars,
[1:27:24] Speaker 3: No it's not. It's that's Carol Kay. That's the drummer bird.
[1:27:28] Speaker 3: What's his name? Bertie Pershue is another studio musician. Many
[1:27:33] Speaker 3: of these musicians that Elvis used also were used on
[1:27:37] Speaker 3: these uh these band's records because they sounded awful. They
[1:27:43] Speaker 3: couldn't play. But in those days, the stages weren't big,
[1:27:47] Speaker 3: and when they became big like Monterey Woodstock did, these
[1:27:53] Speaker 3: were the first ones that opened up for this whole thing.
[1:27:56] Speaker 3: The ampler, the system, the sound system was awful. I mean,
[1:28:00] Speaker 3: people couldn't really hear anyway. And most of the time
[1:28:03] Speaker 3: many of them were screaming or they were high on acid.
[1:28:06] Speaker 3: Where did the acid come from? Thousands of pills were
[1:28:10] Speaker 3: being distributed for free when they entered into the area.
[1:28:14] Speaker 3: Who were so kind to hand out these acid trips
[1:28:20] Speaker 3: that we come back to the Lookout Mountain Air Force
[1:28:26] Speaker 3: Base in that is one of also where the distribution
[1:28:30] Speaker 3: of the drugs came from the CIA. Why would they
[1:28:34] Speaker 3: do that into these areas because they wanted the young
[1:28:38] Speaker 3: generation to be absolutely off their head and not concentrate
[1:28:43] Speaker 3: on problems like the Vietnam War, a multi million dollar
[1:28:48] Speaker 3: business and the drug trade, absolute incredible business, you know,
[1:28:53] Speaker 3: that whole thing. That's one of the reasons. So get
[1:28:56] Speaker 3: them the tension away and just let mess their head,
[1:29:00] Speaker 3: mind up, and mess families up and all of that,
[1:29:04] Speaker 3: so that they would start focusing on on arguing with
[1:29:08] Speaker 3: each other and having all of these fights there instead
[1:29:11] Speaker 3: of focusing on who's actually causing the bad, the real
[1:29:14] Speaker 3: problems in society, which was behind the scenes. So you
[1:29:20] Speaker 3: had Crush Bestills and Nash for instance, with also the
[1:29:25] Speaker 3: parents in military industrial complex. You had Jimmy Frank Zappa himself,
[1:29:29] Speaker 3: you had Yeah, many of these bands were pushed together.
[1:29:35] Speaker 3: The Monkeys, as far as I know, was actually the
[1:29:37] Speaker 3: first band that was publicly said to have been put together.
[1:29:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:29:44] Speaker 3: And do you know one of the guys who was
[1:29:47] Speaker 3: auditioning for the Monkeys? Do you know who that was?
[1:29:50] Speaker 1: Charles mans Oh, yeah, I remember hearing about that.
[1:29:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, Charles Manson, can you believe it? I mean you
[1:29:55] Speaker 3: had to say that God has got a sense of
[1:29:57] Speaker 3: humor because, like what but out of Lower Canyon, not
[1:30:03] Speaker 3: only did we have this incredible like industrial pump of musicians,
[1:30:10] Speaker 3: coming out and then really you know, taking over the
[1:30:14] Speaker 3: music business. And suddenly La became this, this music center,
[1:30:19] Speaker 3: a whole new creation that was not heard of before
[1:30:24] Speaker 3: really starting also to compete with with the European scene.
[1:30:29] Speaker 3: Then we had the English invasion of the US where
[1:30:33] Speaker 3: Beatles went over and that opened up the door for
[1:30:36] Speaker 3: this whole thing. And so yeah, a lot of things
[1:30:40] Speaker 3: were going on, and like I said before, from She
[1:30:42] Speaker 3: Loves You Yeah, Yeah, to losing the Sky of Diamonds
[1:30:44] Speaker 3: in five years, something has to be massively pushed in
[1:30:49] Speaker 3: the background, from being scared and shocked by the haircut
[1:30:53] Speaker 3: of Beatles to Jimi Hendrix. The experience with Jimmy Hendrix,
[1:30:59] Speaker 3: that is, it's like stepping on board of a moon
[1:31:02] Speaker 3: rocket if you believe that they actually got there. But
[1:31:05] Speaker 3: I mean like a dragster. Let's put it like that
[1:31:08] Speaker 3: instead like massive moving forward.
[1:31:11] Speaker 1: So it's most likely that most of these groups weren't
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: even a legitimate band at one point and were infiltrated
[1:31:22] Speaker 1: by these groups. They were created from the bottom up.
[1:31:29] Speaker 3: I think that what they had in common was not
[1:31:31] Speaker 3: that they were good musicians. What they had in common
[1:31:33] Speaker 3: was that they had parents in the military industrial complex,
[1:31:37] Speaker 3: that was where they were picked, handpicked. That was where
[1:31:42] Speaker 3: I think from a young childhood that they were being
[1:31:46] Speaker 3: possibly put through different type of things to prepare them.
[1:31:52] Speaker 3: Not because what it's really interesting also is like you
[1:31:56] Speaker 3: have one like it's almost like a vein coming from
[1:32:02] Speaker 3: that core becoming rock stars. Then you have another vein
[1:32:08] Speaker 3: from the exact same core becoming serial killers. And this
[1:32:13] Speaker 3: is like, what on earth are you talking about? But
[1:32:20] Speaker 3: we see from the very same core you have this
[1:32:23] Speaker 3: thing where so it's almost I would suggest that we
[1:32:29] Speaker 3: have the same power behind getting into the mind of people,
[1:32:34] Speaker 3: and then another one getting into the fear of people,
[1:32:39] Speaker 3: you know, and then these two can be played against
[1:32:42] Speaker 3: each other and do all kinds of stuff. With the
[1:32:45] Speaker 3: serial killers. I find it super interesting. And Dave McGowan,
[1:32:48] Speaker 3: once again, he was amazing. He was the guy that
[1:32:51] Speaker 3: really got into this whole thing with the serial killers.
[1:32:57] Speaker 3: What I found is that cyril killers more or less
[1:33:01] Speaker 3: only exist in the US until later on. That is
[1:33:06] Speaker 3: interesting and as far as I know, very few before
[1:33:10] Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties, as far.
[1:33:13] Speaker 1: As I like, there was a certain era where serial
[1:33:17] Speaker 1: killers were more prominent. Even now you don't hear much
[1:33:20] Speaker 1: about it. It's like they serve their purpose for that
[1:33:23] Speaker 1: particular time period.
[1:33:26] Speaker 3: I completely agree with you. And what is very odd
[1:33:31] Speaker 3: with these sirricular we're being told if you look at
[1:33:36] Speaker 3: true crimes and all of these things, that a serial
[1:33:38] Speaker 3: killer for some reason is somebody who just loves to
[1:33:41] Speaker 3: kill people. Okay, more less all of them here voices?
[1:33:47] Speaker 3: What is that? You have to ask yourself what is that?
[1:33:50] Speaker 3: Is that like a psychiatric disease, possibly, but it's also
[1:33:55] Speaker 3: exactly the symptoms of MK ultra treatments and what they do.
[1:34:01] Speaker 3: There's a lot of not self harm nowadays where young
[1:34:05] Speaker 3: kids are having these voices in their head, also hurt yourself,
[1:34:09] Speaker 3: hate yourself, kills, doing all of these things. Voices nowadays
[1:34:16] Speaker 3: we have it's very out in the open. It's called
[1:34:19] Speaker 3: a voice to skull technology that can be transmitted in
[1:34:24] Speaker 3: there and pinpointed as specific individuals. Also, and if you
[1:34:29] Speaker 3: look at but if we back down, back back to
[1:34:34] Speaker 3: this whole thing with the serial killers, you have these people.
[1:34:39] Speaker 3: Some of them are psychopaths for sure, bone psychopaths, so
[1:34:42] Speaker 3: they would be perfect for this also, and maybe some
[1:34:45] Speaker 3: of them are real serial killers. I'm not saying anything
[1:34:47] Speaker 3: about that that they would inspired by others, but the
[1:34:50] Speaker 3: phenomena of serial killers appeared as far as I know,
[1:34:56] Speaker 3: around the same time as we had this whole explosion
[1:34:59] Speaker 3: in the music business. And one seeing like we see
[1:35:03] Speaker 3: these documentaries about serial killers and all, and most of
[1:35:07] Speaker 3: them have sort of like a preferred method of how
[1:35:11] Speaker 3: to do stuff. You know, some people use a knife,
[1:35:15] Speaker 3: some people strangle, some people whatever it is that they have.
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: And also if you look at these documentaries, or they
[1:35:23] Speaker 3: made it not in a very specific way. And these
[1:35:26] Speaker 3: the forensic detectives gone on track, I mean because of
[1:35:29] Speaker 3: the knot, you know, and then they got him because
[1:35:31] Speaker 3: of the not because he always made the knot. Or
[1:35:34] Speaker 3: they have this ritual about spreading out the clothes or
[1:35:39] Speaker 3: putting the body in a specific position or whatever that
[1:35:43] Speaker 3: is almost like a signature, like they talk about the
[1:35:47] Speaker 3: serial killer's signature. So if you look at some of
[1:35:52] Speaker 3: these serial killers that have been taking like ten Bundy
[1:36:00] Speaker 3: other people like that, also when you check out their
[1:36:03] Speaker 3: track record, this is the death score that was dedicated
[1:36:08] Speaker 3: to this person. So you have, for instance, many times
[1:36:13] Speaker 3: horrendous violence slash slash, slash slash, you know, like forty
[1:36:19] Speaker 3: eight stab wounds. Yeah, that shows that he hated his
[1:36:22] Speaker 3: mother or whatever, you know, but slaughterhouse, slaughterhouse, next one, slaughterhouse,
[1:36:27] Speaker 3: random victims like forteen year old, ninety two year old,
[1:36:32] Speaker 3: nothing really like whoa. I'm not saying everyone, because other
[1:36:36] Speaker 3: people had their specific types. But there's some of these
[1:36:40] Speaker 3: ones where you have just random violence. It looks like
[1:36:43] Speaker 3: random random. This is also the CSA CIA strategy of tension,
[1:36:49] Speaker 3: that is exactly random violence to freak out the society.
[1:36:56] Speaker 3: And then you have slash slash, slash slash, and suddenly
[1:37:00] Speaker 3: there's like a twenty two headshot headshot, even the dog headshot,
[1:37:05] Speaker 3: and then backslash slash slash, headshot, headshot, headshot, slash, slash,
[1:37:09] Speaker 3: slash slash. What is going on here? And I would
[1:37:13] Speaker 3: strongly suggest what we're looking at are horrendous acts of
[1:37:19] Speaker 3: violence to cover up some real deaths. And these deaths
[1:37:25] Speaker 3: when you look at the victims there are very often
[1:37:27] Speaker 3: involved in things of a competitor character to the CIA,
[1:37:33] Speaker 3: to the drug trade, to other stuff like that. So
[1:37:37] Speaker 3: I think the real victims are pump pump. Here we
[1:37:40] Speaker 3: go in CIA hit you know, twenty two silencer, even
[1:37:45] Speaker 3: the dog like pump pum, pum pum, dog pum pump
[1:37:49] Speaker 3: like that they're out of business, cover it up, slash slash, slash, slash, slash,
[1:37:54] Speaker 3: slash pumpum and then cover up. Look at these things,
[1:37:58] Speaker 3: don't just don't buy buy into it just because. And
[1:38:02] Speaker 3: I have also some testimonies from from some extreme mass
[1:38:08] Speaker 3: murders that I've been part of exposing this, especially two
[1:38:11] Speaker 3: of them that have committed around a thousand killings each.
[1:38:15] Speaker 3: Many of these killings are to cover up for big
[1:38:20] Speaker 3: assassinations you have, like around the Kennedy assassinations, depending on
[1:38:25] Speaker 3: what research you look into, but there's about I would
[1:38:29] Speaker 3: suggest around three hundred very odd deaths or things where
[1:38:33] Speaker 3: people have died in unnatural circumstances around the JFK. Then
[1:38:38] Speaker 3: you have MLK, then you have RK. Then you have
[1:38:41] Speaker 3: many of these other ones where people surrounding these conspiracies
[1:38:46] Speaker 3: pump pum pum, pum, pum pum pump because some reason
[1:38:50] Speaker 3: they know too much or they've seen I'm not talking
[1:38:53] Speaker 3: about these people being involved in the act itself, but
[1:38:56] Speaker 3: maybe they're married to someone, or they overheard or they
[1:39:00] Speaker 3: and suddenly the thing is shut them down, Shut them down.
[1:39:05] Speaker 3: So who are doing these things? We're back to these
[1:39:08] Speaker 3: type of individuals that are doing the wet work. They
[1:39:12] Speaker 3: go in and they silence people. They make it look
[1:39:14] Speaker 3: like suicide, car accidents, you name it, drowning accidents, whatever
[1:39:20] Speaker 3: it is, somebody's doing it. We're talking about the exact
[1:39:23] Speaker 3: same people that are also carrying out some of the
[1:39:26] Speaker 3: surrenderous acts of violence. Then blamed on a serial killer,
[1:39:31] Speaker 3: where you often have one loan patsy, I would suggest
[1:39:36] Speaker 3: many times a patsy that is just like when you
[1:39:41] Speaker 3: listen to them that they're not home, they're you know,
[1:39:45] Speaker 3: like they don't know what they're talking about, they can't remember,
[1:39:49] Speaker 3: they have no recollection.
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: So it makes Charles seems like the perfect example for.
[1:39:55] Speaker 3: This, right, and here we come into that. That was
[1:39:59] Speaker 3: the reason I got into this area because Charles Manson,
[1:40:03] Speaker 3: he's the worst mass murderer ever. Correct.
[1:40:05] Speaker 1: So they say, no, he no, he didn't kill anyone.
[1:40:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't kill it. He wasn't even there when
[1:40:15] Speaker 3: it happened. When and that whole thing, So where did
[1:40:18] Speaker 3: that happen? This slaughterhouse of a mass murder they say
[1:40:22] Speaker 3: of Sharon Tate was in a villa in Laura Canyon. Yeah,
[1:40:28] Speaker 3: that also is a very very weird thing. I completely
[1:40:34] Speaker 3: I put massive question marks around that. I have photos
[1:40:37] Speaker 3: from the crime scene where it's like, this is so weird.
[1:40:42] Speaker 3: I mean, you have the corpses are smiling. It looks
[1:40:45] Speaker 3: like a stage, like a film set that has just
[1:40:49] Speaker 3: been made to look really gruesome. Please also know remember
[1:40:55] Speaker 3: Sharon Tate was was married to Roman Polanski. Roman Polanski
[1:40:59] Speaker 3: is film director. They filmed The Rosemary's Baby, this surrendous
[1:41:06] Speaker 3: thing in the same building where John Lennon was murdered,
[1:41:10] Speaker 3: outside the Dakota Building in New York. There's very weird
[1:41:14] Speaker 3: stuff and also very often connected to the movie industry,
[1:41:20] Speaker 3: Disney and so on, because that is where the illusions
[1:41:23] Speaker 3: are created, very connected to the CIA or different alphabet agencies.
[1:41:29] Speaker 3: The thing is he was not even there. He had
[1:41:32] Speaker 3: created this sect, they said, where there were these five
[1:41:36] Speaker 3: six individuals involved, one of them very connected to Doris Day,
[1:41:41] Speaker 3: the singer Doris Day, her son, and he was just
[1:41:48] Speaker 3: there were a lot of acids going on and also
[1:41:51] Speaker 3: different kinds of weird stuff which resulted in the end
[1:41:55] Speaker 3: of the death of these people. At least that's what
[1:41:58] Speaker 3: we're being told. But Charles Manson was not on location.
[1:42:02] Speaker 3: He did not do anything himself, and yet he is
[1:42:05] Speaker 3: the worst Sirlo killer ever. They say, absolute nonsense. The
[1:42:10] Speaker 3: guy had done nothing, instigated mass murder. Maybe that is
[1:42:17] Speaker 3: what he could be, that he could be found guilty of,
[1:42:21] Speaker 3: if that is correct, But otherwise than that, And Charles
[1:42:27] Speaker 3: Manson is also a very bizarre individual. If you notice,
[1:42:30] Speaker 3: he has sort of like the swatstika tattooed in his
[1:42:34] Speaker 3: here in the forehead. If you look at that tattoo,
[1:42:37] Speaker 3: it keeps changing over years. It's like one time the
[1:42:40] Speaker 3: angle is like that, then the angle is like this.
[1:42:43] Speaker 3: Then it's like, I'm like, what's going on here? Because
[1:42:47] Speaker 3: normally tattoos don't move around. We're in a world of illusions.
[1:42:55] Speaker 3: We're in a world of deception.
[1:42:58] Speaker 1: So do you think that most of these groups during
[1:43:02] Speaker 1: that era were at least to a certain degree, created
[1:43:08] Speaker 1: by these intelligence agencies, because it doesn't seem like even
[1:43:12] Speaker 1: if you look at the music industry today or more
[1:43:15] Speaker 1: like ten years ago, it's almost impossible for any group
[1:43:20] Speaker 1: that doesn't already have connections, isn't already famous, wasn't born
[1:43:25] Speaker 1: into some of these families to actually become successful in
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: the music industry. So it would make a lot of
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: sense that these groups were just created and that's how
[1:43:36] Speaker 1: they found success. So quickly.
[1:43:42] Speaker 3: I can say, I don't like generalizing, but the ones
[1:43:48] Speaker 3: that came out of Lower Canyon, if not old, then
[1:43:56] Speaker 3: a major pot was exactly from that. Later on, when
[1:44:01] Speaker 3: Laura Candy became famous for generating rockstide, then you have
[1:44:05] Speaker 3: wannabes that would of course come come to the area,
[1:44:08] Speaker 3: So that would be a natural phenomena. But the starting
[1:44:12] Speaker 3: and the promotion of all of these things, how they
[1:44:14] Speaker 3: avoided drafting, how they all these things, and the record labels,
[1:44:19] Speaker 3: how they just picked them up. All of that would,
[1:44:23] Speaker 3: I would strongly suggest connected to the CAA. And the
[1:44:27] Speaker 3: whole hippie movement started in Laura Canyon. There were seven
[1:44:31] Speaker 3: people in one house. They started the whole thing that
[1:44:35] Speaker 3: was the hippie The whole hippie era was started from
[1:44:42] Speaker 3: one person seven people, and they started dancing like that,
[1:44:46] Speaker 3: dressing like this in the in the clubs of La
[1:44:48] Speaker 3: the clubs that started appearing, and then that through the
[1:44:52] Speaker 3: Monterey festivals and the LSD trips and all of that
[1:44:55] Speaker 3: that it just exploded and suddenly we had this whole
[1:44:59] Speaker 3: thing called the hippie movement, it was no movement at all.
[1:45:03] Speaker 3: It was like an injected thing into the whole thing
[1:45:07] Speaker 3: to just they called it mind expanding. I agree LSD
[1:45:13] Speaker 3: is mind expanding, but it's also it makes you lose
[1:45:18] Speaker 3: connection with this reality, whatever this reality is. So so
[1:45:24] Speaker 3: a major part, a major part, was created out of this.
[1:45:29] Speaker 3: And I also think that this was the entry of
[1:45:34] Speaker 3: the CIA into the music business on a whole different level.
[1:45:40] Speaker 3: But it's when you say the CIA, the CIA is
[1:45:42] Speaker 3: just an organization. It's just an agency for hire, the
[1:45:47] Speaker 3: central Intelligence agency and agency you can rent them. You know,
[1:45:51] Speaker 3: many of the big multinational corporations rent this agency to
[1:45:55] Speaker 3: go in and commit coup d'itars or military coups or
[1:46:00] Speaker 3: get rid of whoever is standing in front of them,
[1:46:02] Speaker 3: you know, like to to open up countries, to open
[1:46:09] Speaker 3: up new markets and so on. And so the CAA
[1:46:13] Speaker 3: nowadays in Hollywood, I mean they even got their own
[1:46:15] Speaker 3: office there. It's not a you know, and they're they're
[1:46:19] Speaker 3: as advisors and they're there's all of these it's on
[1:46:22] Speaker 3: in the open now. But you have a whole different
[1:46:25] Speaker 3: layer layer underneath that. We don't see.
[1:46:29] Speaker 1: These mk Ultra experiments. They've been being implemented on a
[1:46:34] Speaker 1: mass scale for a very long time through much of
[1:46:38] Speaker 1: what we've discussed through our entertainment industry. But now we
[1:46:42] Speaker 1: have these levels of technology that back then couldn't have
[1:46:46] Speaker 1: even been imagined. It makes me wonder to what degree
[1:46:50] Speaker 1: these mind control operations are being implemented through our technology.
[1:46:56] Speaker 1: As you said earlier, a large part of this was
[1:46:59] Speaker 1: about about getting people into a state of mind where
[1:47:04] Speaker 1: they can't fight against the system, where they don't care,
[1:47:09] Speaker 1: and that's still there, But we have these levels of
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: degeneracy that's being promoted, this mental illness that's being normalized
[1:47:20] Speaker 1: through these industries. So these mind control operations have now
[1:47:24] Speaker 1: seeped deeply into our technological era, and it's so widespread
[1:47:30] Speaker 1: that people just think it's a normal part of our lives. Now.
[1:47:36] Speaker 3: Normalizing is one of the key elements of mind control.
[1:47:42] Speaker 3: Do you know when you look at the original patents
[1:47:45] Speaker 3: for a television a TV set, it's part of how
[1:47:49] Speaker 3: to manipulate and control the viewer's mind. It's called TV programs. Okay,
[1:47:57] Speaker 3: Is that just a coincidence? I would say, please put
[1:48:00] Speaker 3: a question mark at least around that whole thing, and
[1:48:03] Speaker 3: then also see how the tell a vision or tell livision,
[1:48:13] Speaker 3: do you know, like the whole thing? How how much?
[1:48:17] Speaker 3: How many hours per day are you in front of it?
[1:48:21] Speaker 3: How many hours per day I'm in front of it
[1:48:23] Speaker 3: when I'm not in front of the TV AM, I
[1:48:25] Speaker 3: front and on a oh am, I in front of
[1:48:30] Speaker 3: any other screens, digital screens that could be messed with, manipulated,
[1:48:36] Speaker 3: And I would say yeah, massively, massively. And so once
[1:48:44] Speaker 3: upon a time, many years ago, there was a film
[1:48:48] Speaker 3: called Soldier Blue. Soldier Blue was the first movie ever
[1:48:54] Speaker 3: where they showed the impact of a bullet to a
[1:48:58] Speaker 3: human body, where up until then, if somebody was shot, yes,
[1:49:03] Speaker 3: put you squashed a bit of ketchup there and that
[1:49:07] Speaker 3: was it. Boom oh and they fell over. You know,
[1:49:10] Speaker 3: you didn't see blood, you didn't see anything like that
[1:49:13] Speaker 3: in Soldier Blue. Boom you saw the impact of It
[1:49:16] Speaker 3: was a Western movie, and people were puking. I mean
[1:49:22] Speaker 3: people were being taken out of the cinemas, you know,
[1:49:26] Speaker 3: like they fainted, they puked, they all of these things
[1:49:30] Speaker 3: because we were not used to it. We were not
[1:49:34] Speaker 3: I remember that it was Buffy Saint Marie, who now
[1:49:36] Speaker 3: turns out not to be part of Native Indian I mean,
[1:49:39] Speaker 3: that's another one for you. It's like, come on, what's real.
[1:49:42] Speaker 3: But anyway, so we were shown reality and people couldn't
[1:49:50] Speaker 3: handle it at all. It was like this. Now you
[1:49:54] Speaker 3: take the chain, massacre, blood whatever motor and put in
[1:50:00] Speaker 3: front of a three year old. The three year old
[1:50:02] Speaker 3: won't even worry.
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: Just look at some of that HP we rap music
[1:50:06] Speaker 1: videos that are out there. It's total satanism and debauchery,
[1:50:11] Speaker 1: that's all it is.
[1:50:13] Speaker 3: We've been so desensitized to these things. Also through video games,
[1:50:18] Speaker 3: My god, so many many good gamers have been recruited
[1:50:24] Speaker 3: over into the drone and then the military drones where
[1:50:29] Speaker 3: you're sitting like playing games in front of a computer game,
[1:50:32] Speaker 3: but suddenly you got live targets. And I would strongly
[1:50:37] Speaker 3: suggest that we're even taking that whole thing has been
[1:50:40] Speaker 3: taken to a whole new level where the so called
[1:50:43] Speaker 3: elite or I have other words for them that are
[1:50:46] Speaker 3: not that paranoise. But anyway, I are using it for
[1:50:52] Speaker 3: human hunting. I mean where this is like the ultimate
[1:50:57] Speaker 3: hunting game live, where you like, we have thousands of
[1:51:02] Speaker 3: drone attacks in Afghanistan, for instance, still to this day, thousands.
[1:51:07] Speaker 3: Why what have Afghanistan ever done. Yeah, nine to eleven,
[1:51:12] Speaker 3: there was no connection with Afghanistan at all. Their first
[1:51:16] Speaker 3: war in Afghanistan, what was that drug war? And then
[1:51:22] Speaker 3: you had all Iraq, the two wars that build on
[1:51:25] Speaker 3: absolute lives, not a true word anywhere. So why the
[1:51:31] Speaker 3: drone strikes? Why do they continue? Because I was strongly
[1:51:35] Speaker 3: suggest we're looking at video live video games for the elite,
[1:51:39] Speaker 3: the ultimate hunting games where they're shooting at live footage,
[1:51:43] Speaker 3: live the targets. You even have. I have photos of
[1:51:47] Speaker 3: Obama and Michael sitting in front of the screen smiling,
[1:51:49] Speaker 3: you know, just firing away. So all of these drone
[1:51:54] Speaker 3: strikes has nothing to do with military targets. The most civilians,
[1:51:57] Speaker 3: it's like anything moving, kill the fuckers, you know, and
[1:52:02] Speaker 3: get a thrill out of there, out of it. We're
[1:52:04] Speaker 3: getting off track here and at the same time we're
[1:52:08] Speaker 3: on the same track. So nowadays the desensitizing of of
[1:52:15] Speaker 3: us from Soldier Blue like that and people were fainting.
[1:52:22] Speaker 3: Now it's like, yeah, I'm just going to have another
[1:52:24] Speaker 3: slice of pizza. Wild Yeah, tell me, tell me when
[1:52:28] Speaker 3: they cut the throat and stuff like yeah, yeah, take
[1:52:31] Speaker 3: out the body and people don't even react. And this
[1:52:35] Speaker 3: is you see now in the streets people are somebody's
[1:52:38] Speaker 3: lying in.
[1:52:38] Speaker 1: The streets are filming them.
[1:52:39] Speaker 3: They just step over him. They don't, Yeah, they're filming
[1:52:43] Speaker 3: him like yeah, yeah, whatever. Desensitized And in one way, Chris,
[1:52:49] Speaker 3: I tell you one way. In one way, this is
[1:52:52] Speaker 3: good because we've been the level that where we could
[1:52:56] Speaker 3: be scared before, people don't get scared anymore. So for them,
[1:53:04] Speaker 3: the people behind the scenes that are trying to control us,
[1:53:07] Speaker 3: the only weapon they really have against us is fear.
[1:53:11] Speaker 3: But now when we're being desensitized to things that scare us,
[1:53:16] Speaker 3: they're getting it's getting really hard for them because it
[1:53:20] Speaker 3: used to work with like their own Sika virus paint
[1:53:24] Speaker 3: it in nineteen forty seven, owned by the CDC that
[1:53:28] Speaker 3: ate the brains of babies. I mean you can't really
[1:53:30] Speaker 3: off that, you know, after that one, what are you
[1:53:34] Speaker 3: going to top it with? What if when people start
[1:53:37] Speaker 3: getting used to yeah, it can eat the brains of babies,
[1:53:41] Speaker 3: how can you? And since then they've had problems. You know,
[1:53:45] Speaker 3: they're trying many different areas and now new virus is
[1:53:49] Speaker 3: really really Yeah, you need to get vaccinated or else.
[1:53:53] Speaker 3: How many jobs do I need? Like I've already pumped
[1:53:56] Speaker 3: my child with seventy two of them. How many is
[1:54:00] Speaker 3: eat it? You know? It doesn't work anymore. So in
[1:54:03] Speaker 3: one way, this desensitive thing is in our favor now,
[1:54:07] Speaker 3: even though it's something that absolutely do not recommend. So
[1:54:12] Speaker 3: it's good to be desensitized to bullshit and to be
[1:54:16] Speaker 3: able to look through it and then on your own
[1:54:20] Speaker 3: activate your heart and your emotions again and get back
[1:54:23] Speaker 3: in touch with what is real. Because if you don't
[1:54:27] Speaker 3: think that you've been mind controlled, I tell you yeah, right,
[1:54:30] Speaker 3: And I have been accused of being mind controlled but unaware.
[1:54:37] Speaker 3: So I am unaware but mind controlled, And I'm saying
[1:54:41] Speaker 3: that is very It's possible for sure, because I'm unaware
[1:54:45] Speaker 3: as far as I know, I'm not. Do you see
[1:54:49] Speaker 3: what it's like? But what is not mind controlled at
[1:54:53] Speaker 3: this time? Because what does that even mean? It just
[1:54:56] Speaker 3: means that we react in a certain way, you know, boom,
[1:55:00] Speaker 3: and we react in a way that they would prefer
[1:55:03] Speaker 3: us to.
[1:55:05] Speaker 1: Yeah it's boom.
[1:55:06] Speaker 3: There's a virus. I tell you, I would suggest that boom,
[1:55:11] Speaker 3: there's a virus. Everybody that went and took the jab
[1:55:14] Speaker 3: without really looking into what was in it. Mind control
[1:55:19] Speaker 3: anyone that pushed their pushed us on their children without
[1:55:23] Speaker 3: even knowing what's in them. Even I was strongest suggest
[1:55:26] Speaker 3: any parent, responsible parent that has jabbed theirselves and the
[1:55:31] Speaker 3: kids with so many of these without really looking into
[1:55:36] Speaker 3: what's in them. Mind control.
[1:55:40] Speaker 1: We have to be very discerning about everything that we
[1:55:44] Speaker 1: interact with because it's all been designed to corral us
[1:55:49] Speaker 1: into certain directions, keep us in certain boxes, not looking
[1:55:54] Speaker 1: at certain things. But like you said, there's a large
[1:55:59] Speaker 1: group of us that are starting to wake up and
[1:56:02] Speaker 1: the desensitization is working against them in certain ways, and
[1:56:06] Speaker 1: we're becoming aware not easily as frightened by bullshit, which
[1:56:10] Speaker 1: is good. So we're in extremely interesting times either way.
[1:56:14] Speaker 1: We've got a few minutes left. Any closing thoughts about
[1:56:17] Speaker 1: Laurel Canyon or anything else we discussed. Love the music,
[1:56:24] Speaker 1: that's one thing, man. I still I still have to
[1:56:26] Speaker 1: enjoy a lot of that music that came out because
[1:56:29] Speaker 1: it's great.
[1:56:29] Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's great music. I would just say
[1:56:34] Speaker 3: that the way these operations work is it's compartmentalized. People
[1:56:41] Speaker 3: only know their little part, meaning that most of these
[1:56:44] Speaker 3: people that were part of this thing weren't even aware
[1:56:48] Speaker 3: of that. They were being manipulated, just like you have
[1:56:51] Speaker 3: any artist. They do their stuff, but there's a record
[1:56:56] Speaker 3: company behind them deciding everything, including what they're going to
[1:56:59] Speaker 3: have for breakfast. That's part of the whole deal that
[1:57:02] Speaker 3: many have signed. Yeah, but they did this video, yeah,
[1:57:06] Speaker 3: with Satanic and Illuminati. Do you think that the artists
[1:57:10] Speaker 3: themselves had any say whatsoever in the marketing or any
[1:57:15] Speaker 3: like that. If they have, if it's their own record label,
[1:57:18] Speaker 3: if they then yes. I even had a friend of
[1:57:21] Speaker 3: mine he used to play together with Rosette, which is
[1:57:25] Speaker 3: one of the biggest band ever. He said he had
[1:57:29] Speaker 3: no idea. He had no idea that they were being controlled.
[1:57:34] Speaker 3: He was part of a very successful band before that.
[1:57:38] Speaker 3: He had no idea. Now when you look at their
[1:57:41] Speaker 3: own record labels, you know, the covers are the records.
[1:57:45] Speaker 3: He said, oh my god, it's an Illuminatis signs and
[1:57:49] Speaker 3: all of these had no idea. And then also they
[1:57:54] Speaker 3: were He said, it was so stranged because they were
[1:57:56] Speaker 3: super popular and with the radio stations, but not really
[1:58:00] Speaker 3: with the audience. How does that go because normally you
[1:58:04] Speaker 3: should be that and then they play on the radio
[1:58:07] Speaker 3: and so boom. When they were not useful for them,
[1:58:12] Speaker 3: and they just dropped the band. And I also want
[1:58:15] Speaker 3: to point out where are all the bands now? Have
[1:58:18] Speaker 3: you seen any in the top one hundred? Where are
[1:58:21] Speaker 3: the bands? We're talking about solo artists one one. One
[1:58:27] Speaker 3: of the reasons is that they're so much easier to control.
[1:58:31] Speaker 3: And if you look at like, if you don't know
[1:58:34] Speaker 3: mind control Taylor Swift, I mean, look she was did
[1:58:39] Speaker 3: you have the top ten positions of the I mean
[1:58:43] Speaker 3: the charts at one time? Listen to the songs? Is
[1:58:47] Speaker 3: there anything of value there at all? No? So it's like,
[1:58:52] Speaker 3: what are these charts? It's mind control? What are the numbers?
[1:58:57] Speaker 3: I mean, look at YouTube world, We've got three point
[1:59:00] Speaker 3: four million views. It must be good. I released a
[1:59:05] Speaker 3: song a few years ago together with a super musician
[1:59:08] Speaker 3: in Spain. It's called Montan. It's called wake Up and
[1:59:14] Speaker 3: please look it up on YouTube. Wake Up anyway, it
[1:59:17] Speaker 3: was really interesting. We released it on nine to eleven
[1:59:20] Speaker 3: on that date and it went straight to number one
[1:59:24] Speaker 3: in Germany. It stayed in a one hundred to one
[1:59:27] Speaker 3: of these charts top one hundred. It stayed there straight
[1:59:30] Speaker 3: for two months, meaning that is not only me that
[1:59:34] Speaker 3: thinks it's a good song I really really feel very
[1:59:38] Speaker 3: strongly about. I feel it's much more, much bigger than
[1:59:41] Speaker 3: the people who were involved in it. Came in a
[1:59:43] Speaker 3: beautiful way anyway to us. So anyway, so that thing,
[1:59:48] Speaker 3: it went up to one hundred and forty five view,
[1:59:50] Speaker 3: thousand views or something like that on YouTube like that boom,
[1:59:53] Speaker 3: and it was just going like this, and then suddenly
[1:59:56] Speaker 3: it started going backwards. So it's like, wait a second.
[2:00:01] Speaker 3: It was just because I was interested in like, yeah,
[2:00:04] Speaker 3: what about tomorrow, you know, my own ego trip there,
[2:00:07] Speaker 3: and I started seeing that's five thousand views less than yesterday.
[2:00:12] Speaker 3: Please explain to me how is that physically possible that
[2:00:16] Speaker 3: five thousand people have not that saw it yesterday have
[2:00:19] Speaker 3: now not seen it. And so in the chat I
[2:00:23] Speaker 3: pointed it out and people starting really following it in
[2:00:26] Speaker 3: the chat, so you can see I checked the numbers
[2:00:28] Speaker 3: here at this time, and now it's like this, I
[2:00:31] Speaker 3: checked the time here. So whatever is on YouTube, please
[2:00:35] Speaker 3: understand that that is not a free platform. You don't that.
[2:00:40] Speaker 3: I mean, there's a reason why people like me were
[2:00:42] Speaker 3: shot down so many years ago for just saying what what?
[2:00:47] Speaker 3: What what did I say? Did have I ever said?
[2:00:50] Speaker 3: Anything violent? Have I said anything racist? Have I anything? No?
[2:00:54] Speaker 3: Boom like that. And so when you see the number
[2:00:58] Speaker 3: of some thing like Tailors Swift just released this and
[2:01:01] Speaker 3: it's like eighteen point five million, how does that happen?
[2:01:04] Speaker 3: Somebody on a keyboard with access to the website did
[2:01:09] Speaker 3: how much? Sixteen minute? No? Eighteen? Yeah, put eighteen and
[2:01:15] Speaker 3: a half, eighteen a half. Enter boom. That's it, Boom.
[2:01:19] Speaker 3: You got yourself a global hit.
[2:01:21] Speaker 1: At least the music of the sixties and seventies was good,
[2:01:25] Speaker 1: the lyrics were intelligent. It took talent to create this.
[2:01:28] Speaker 1: Now you're just pressing buttons. You got vocal altering software.
[2:01:34] Speaker 1: There's no more talent involved. And it's just a pretty
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: sad scene overall.
[2:01:40] Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a musician. I've been playing my whole life,
[2:01:43] Speaker 3: and I love that just sitting in the studio on
[2:01:46] Speaker 3: my own and now it's like I've just lost it
[2:01:51] Speaker 3: because you can just press one button create a hit
[2:01:54] Speaker 3: song sounding like this. I want this in the background
[2:01:58] Speaker 3: and chorus and all of this. Now please enter boom
[2:02:01] Speaker 3: thirty four seconds later, something that sounded better than it
[2:02:05] Speaker 3: would have taken me years. What just happened? This whole
[2:02:09] Speaker 3: AI is just like I don't know, it's like extremely
[2:02:16] Speaker 3: useful and extremely dark at the same time. I don't
[2:02:20] Speaker 3: really know how to deal with it because.
[2:02:24] Speaker 1: Super interesting times we're in OI. Thank you so much,
[2:02:27] Speaker 1: definitely looking forward to next time. I'd love to get
[2:02:30] Speaker 1: into the Beatles and some of the other research that
[2:02:33] Speaker 1: you're doing one more time before you go. The website
[2:02:36] Speaker 1: is demiguard dot com.
[2:02:37] Speaker 2: Correct.
[2:02:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also want to say if this is
[2:02:42] Speaker 3: January the eighth, it's the ninetieth birthday of Elvis. He's
[2:02:45] Speaker 3: still around. We can do another show on him. If
[2:02:48] Speaker 3: we haven't done that already.
[2:02:50] Speaker 1: That is a beautiful Yeah, we did the last time
[2:02:53] Speaker 1: we talked about Elvis.
[2:02:55] Speaker 3: Okay, I'm happy that we did that. So Bob Elvis,
[2:02:59] Speaker 3: whatever you want, I want to call yourself. If this
[2:03:01] Speaker 3: is I think it's the eighth of January. Happy, happy, happy,
[2:03:05] Speaker 3: happy birthday, and I really wish that you can step
[2:03:08] Speaker 3: forward soon because the reason you had to stage your
[2:03:11] Speaker 3: own death was because of bravery, and so I really
[2:03:15] Speaker 3: salute you so happy birthday.
[2:03:17] Speaker 1: Excellent. Oh, I thank you so much. We'll do this
[2:03:19] Speaker 1: again soon and until next time, everyone, have a wonderful evening.
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