# Wayne Steiger | The Realm of Death, Approaching Singularity, Archons, AI, & Digital Avatars

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 2 Sep 2026, 1 h 07 min.

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[2:03] Speaker 1: Today I want to welcome back to the show Wayne Steiger.
[2:06] Speaker 1: He's a philosopher, researcher, and host of The Wayne Steiger Show. Wayne,
[2:11] Speaker 1: welcome back.
[2:11] Speaker 2: How you doing? Brother, I mean, doing good. It's been
[2:15] Speaker 2: like a month of Sundays, literally, since you and I
[2:18] Speaker 2: have gotten together. And, you know, I'm losing more of
[2:22] Speaker 2: it up in here and you're growing more of it.
[2:24] Speaker 2: So that's how long it's been. But no, no, it's
[2:26] Speaker 2: doing good. Good. Appreciate the invite and getting on.
[2:30] Speaker 1: It's great to have you back on. I thoroughly enjoy
[2:34] Speaker 1: our discussions. And thank you for coming on with such
[2:36] Speaker 1: short notice.
[2:37] Speaker 2: I really appreciate that.
[2:39] Speaker 1: There's so much going on since we last spoke. Not
[2:42] Speaker 1: much of it. incredibly significant yet in our personal lives.
[2:47] Speaker 1: There's also not anything beneficial, that's for sure. We had
[2:51] Speaker 1: the Epstein dumps and UFO propaganda achieving not much more
[2:57] Speaker 1: than demoralization. Conspiracies have now become a normal popular discussion,
[3:03] Speaker 1: even in our mainstream. AI has reached a new level
[3:07] Speaker 1: of dystopic terror. And who the hell knows what the
[3:10] Speaker 1: data centers are even really for, like we were just
[3:13] Speaker 1: talking about before. But it's just another day at the
[3:16] Speaker 1: office here. You've got some interesting thoughts that you'd like
[3:20] Speaker 1: to share, some theological research that you've been looking into
[3:25] Speaker 1: about the nature of these belief systems that have been
[3:29] Speaker 1: handed down to us since Sumeria. Really looking forward to
[3:33] Speaker 1: getting into that. Before we do, briefly remind the audience
[3:37] Speaker 1: that may not be familiar a little bit about yourself
[3:39] Speaker 1: and let them know how they can get more of you.
[3:42] Speaker 2: Oh, it's right over on YouTube, right over there, our
[3:44] Speaker 2: Wayne Steiger. And my background is it's an entrepreneur technology
[3:50] Speaker 2: and have Bible college, you know, ordained minister and et cetera.
[3:57] Speaker 2: So left that behind and You know, they say that
[4:01] Speaker 2: the best kind of philosopher is the one that has
[4:03] Speaker 2: experienced that which they believe. And so that's what I
[4:08] Speaker 2: do now. The great thing about as you continue to age,
[4:14] Speaker 2: which we all hope we do. I mean, no one
[4:16] Speaker 2: wants to think about they're going to be not here tomorrow,
[4:20] Speaker 2: although that's happening a lot. You have a time to
[4:23] Speaker 2: reflect back. And what I've learned, I'm 71 now. Inside,
[4:28] Speaker 2: you never age. It's a new 20.
[4:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
[4:32] Speaker 2: It doesn't go for any further than that. You have
[4:36] Speaker 2: a time to reflect. And, you know, when I left
[4:39] Speaker 2: my religion, I, as a former ordained minister in, you know,
[4:43] Speaker 2: the real Christianity, you get to see your life in
[4:50] Speaker 2: a roadmap, not one that you're anticipating, but one that
[4:54] Speaker 2: you can actually look back and say, well, yeah, So
[4:57] Speaker 2: that's what I spend my time with a lot now,
[4:59] Speaker 2: because the way I look at it, this is the
[5:02] Speaker 2: death realm. We think that we're alive, but if that's
[5:06] Speaker 2: the case, then that means that life is so temporary that,
[5:11] Speaker 2: you know, the average human today doesn't live to be
[5:14] Speaker 2: much beyond 80. In the United States, the average male
[5:18] Speaker 2: by 76 is your lifespan, women a little bit longer.
[5:22] Speaker 2: That's a crime. to think that we spend a lifetime struggling,
[5:28] Speaker 2: trying to figure out why we're here, what's our purpose,
[5:32] Speaker 2: individually and collectively, only to find out that we're never
[5:36] Speaker 2: really allowed to live to go beyond 100. And it's
[5:42] Speaker 2: clear evidence, Chris, that there's been manipulation taking place here,
[5:46] Speaker 2: because if Homo sapiens, according to the anthropological record say
[5:55] Speaker 2: that we've been here 200,000 years and that we're supposed
[5:59] Speaker 2: to be evolving, right? Well, today our IQ is declining.
[6:04] Speaker 2: The average IQ now is 91. Yeah. And our lifespan,
[6:10] Speaker 2: you would think with all this technology and what have
[6:13] Speaker 2: you that we would see longer lifespans, but now they
[6:17] Speaker 2: limit us to less than 100 years where I think
[6:21] Speaker 2: we should be, our IQ should be above 10,000. We
[6:25] Speaker 2: shouldn't even be thinking of death in the aspect that
[6:29] Speaker 2: we age and that we're attacked into our bodies, and
[6:33] Speaker 2: eventually the spirit separates from the body, and this is
[6:36] Speaker 2: what we call normalcy. Right. So it's led into an
[6:40] Speaker 2: investigation as to, look what we have. Chris, we have
[6:44] Speaker 2: a president today who believes he's on a mission with God.
[6:48] Speaker 2: I know he got the script from the Blues Brothers.
[6:50] Speaker 2: I get it. And then the man digs rock and roll.
[6:54] Speaker 2: That's cool. But, you know, when you get world leaders, man,
[6:58] Speaker 2: that begin to think that they're hand chosen by God, that,
[7:02] Speaker 2: you know, all of us need to be a little
[7:04] Speaker 2: bit more.
[7:04] Speaker 1: You know, I do think he really believes in his
[7:07] Speaker 1: mind that he is in control and doing these things.
[7:12] Speaker 1: But I think at deeper levels, he is being puppeted
[7:15] Speaker 1: and manipulated. By the ones in the shadows that have
[7:20] Speaker 1: always been, and he's just playing along with their game.
[7:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I met Trump when the
[7:28] Speaker 2: weekend the Taj Mahal opened up in Atlantic City. And
[7:33] Speaker 2: the guy is part of the system. Anyone who thinks
[7:35] Speaker 2: he's not, I mean, really isn't. And he's got an ego.
[7:41] Speaker 2: Ego the size of a demigod. That's what I call it.
[7:44] Speaker 1: Well, that's what gives the illusion that he is in
[7:47] Speaker 1: power of some kind. But in reality, they're using his
[7:52] Speaker 1: ego to portray that theater from him.
[7:56] Speaker 2: Unless you go with the counter theory that he's one
[7:58] Speaker 2: of them.
[7:59] Speaker 1: Of course he's one of them. They use his ego
[8:02] Speaker 1: and desire to have that illusion of power so that
[8:06] Speaker 1: it acts as better theater for us.
[8:10] Speaker 2: And who knows if he's even human? Listen, they went,
[8:13] Speaker 2: as you said, boy, wasn't Disclosure Day a big nothing.
[8:19] Speaker 2: But what we did get out of it. All right.
[8:21] Speaker 2: So they acknowledge that there's something here, you know, supposedly
[8:25] Speaker 2: a non-human intelligence. But the whole thing about them admitting
[8:30] Speaker 2: that there's four different species. You have the Greys, the Nordics.
[8:35] Speaker 2: the Dracos, and then you've got the insectoids. So you
[8:39] Speaker 2: got the reptiles, the sectoids, the tall whites, and then
[8:43] Speaker 2: you got the grays. That's our government saying that they exist. Right, right.
[8:49] Speaker 2: Holy crap. So, you know, and there's been no follow
[8:51] Speaker 2: up on that. So what do we do with it?
[8:54] Speaker 2: You know, it's like, give us some guidance here. I mean,
[8:57] Speaker 2: so does this mean that Skinwalker Ranch is really has
[9:02] Speaker 2: identified something that is a non a terrestrial origin? Does
[9:08] Speaker 2: this mean that this interbreeding program that really, if you
[9:13] Speaker 2: want to talk about it, it gets off into the
[9:15] Speaker 2: Old Testament of, you know, if you think about the
[9:18] Speaker 2: whole book of Enoch, Enoch was an abductee. The prophet Ezekiel,
[9:24] Speaker 2: I mean, not Ezekiel, he was a prophet, excuse me,
[9:27] Speaker 2: but Elijah, And in the book of Isaiah, it describes
[9:33] Speaker 2: a craft, a saucer. And so this human got taken up,
[9:38] Speaker 2: never apparently tasted death, or so we're told. So if
[9:42] Speaker 2: you just look at it through a different lens, they've
[9:44] Speaker 2: always been here. So has this been a harvesting program?
[9:48] Speaker 2: And did Fox Moeller really have it right? Is there
[9:51] Speaker 2: really the hybrids that live among us? And are they
[9:54] Speaker 2: the ones that rise to power?
[9:56] Speaker 1: Do you think these are factions of what may be
[9:59] Speaker 1: considered the demiurge or archons the dark rulers of our
[10:04] Speaker 1: reality may be these extraterrestrial beings.
[10:09] Speaker 2: Yeah divided on that and here's why uh i believe
[10:14] Speaker 2: as sagan and hawking's both postulized that uh All right,
[10:21] Speaker 2: if you've got intelligent beings that are traveling through the cosmos, right,
[10:28] Speaker 2: how does organic biomatter do that? I mean, the problem
[10:33] Speaker 2: we have is distance. Everything is so far away. So
[10:38] Speaker 2: if they have figured a way out, maybe they're interdimensional.
[10:41] Speaker 1: Well, could it be that it is more of an
[10:42] Speaker 1: interdimensional thing? Probably is. Throw away the planetary travel, interstellar travel.
[10:48] Speaker 1: most likely there's different layers of reality just beyond our
[10:52] Speaker 1: perception where these beings have always existed.
[10:56] Speaker 2: I think we exist there as well. It's odd that
[10:58] Speaker 2: we're saying that. I did my live show specific on there.
[11:02] Speaker 2: There is a belief. I'm reading a book. It's probably
[11:07] Speaker 2: one of the oldest books on spirits. And our ancestors
[11:12] Speaker 2: believe death, ghost, and spirits in a whole different light
[11:16] Speaker 2: than what we see them. They saw them as coexisting
[11:19] Speaker 2: with us and that there was two groups. There was
[11:23] Speaker 2: the immortals and there was the mortals. And these immortals
[11:27] Speaker 2: had the ability to interdimensionally travel. The mortals, by the way,
[11:33] Speaker 2: never die. They're in a sense eternally within themselves. And
[11:38] Speaker 2: so it gets back down to, all right, so are
[11:41] Speaker 2: we living the days of revelations? Are these, are we
[11:46] Speaker 2: in the tribulation? There are many in Christian communities that
[11:49] Speaker 2: on Sunday mornings, you're hearing preachers preach this, that this
[11:53] Speaker 2: is what we've been waiting for, that the fourth seal
[11:56] Speaker 2: has been broken. And so, and here's my personal opinion, Chris,
[12:02] Speaker 2: that's a death cult mentality. I mean, if death, that's
[12:07] Speaker 2: why I kind of left the Nibiru community. It's like,
[12:10] Speaker 2: all right, so if Nibiru exists, what we're talking about
[12:14] Speaker 2: here is the death of how many billions of people.
[12:18] Speaker 2: So if that's what our eventuality is, shouldn't we then
[12:22] Speaker 2: spend time helping one another, maybe preparing ourselves that, you know,
[12:27] Speaker 2: that we can elevate ourselves above war, greed, lack, want.
[12:32] Speaker 2: Could we really do that? I mean, as a species,
[12:35] Speaker 2: I hope we can. And that's why I started the,
[12:39] Speaker 2: you know, my channel, The Journey, and that's what it's
[12:41] Speaker 2: been about.
[12:43] Speaker 1: Earlier, before we got on, you were telling me some
[12:45] Speaker 1: interesting research and thoughts that you had about the Tower
[12:50] Speaker 1: of Babel, what that may have really been utilized for.
[12:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hypothesis that I'm working on, and I
[13:03] Speaker 2: had Dr. Heather Lynn on, and she had her book,
[13:06] Speaker 2: The Anunnaki Revelation. And so everything... in our belief system,
[13:14] Speaker 2: the Abrahamic belief system specifically, all orientates back to Sumer.
[13:20] Speaker 2: The Garden of Eden was in Sumer. Babylon was in Sumer.
[13:25] Speaker 2: And the Tower of Baal or Babel was in Sumer.
[13:32] Speaker 2: And I'm convinced more and more that, and it says
[13:36] Speaker 2: specifically in the book of Genesis, it says, and they,
[13:40] Speaker 2: meaning God, the same they, I guess that they say
[13:43] Speaker 2: that created us, came down and saw what humankind was doing.
[13:48] Speaker 2: They were united in one thought, one purpose, and this
[13:52] Speaker 2: is where the Tower of Babel came in. And it
[13:54] Speaker 2: says that these gods, they became afraid. They said that
[13:59] Speaker 2: there isn't anything that man cannot do if they unite.
[14:03] Speaker 2: So let us go amongst them and confuse their language.
[14:07] Speaker 2: So we're talking about a technology that had the ability.
[14:13] Speaker 2: And by the way, where the towers being that they
[14:17] Speaker 2: say it was a radius nearly 23 miles in circumference.
[14:21] Speaker 2: We're not talking a small little building here. Over two
[14:25] Speaker 2: plus million people, human beings around this on the planes
[14:28] Speaker 2: building this thing. So whatever they had, they had a
[14:32] Speaker 2: technology that wiped us. And in an instant, And I
[14:37] Speaker 2: am convinced that the Tower of Babel was not just
[14:40] Speaker 2: a building to have a high place to go to
[14:43] Speaker 2: the heavens. I believe, in fact, it was a power
[14:46] Speaker 2: source that was actually being built as a radio antenna.
[14:50] Speaker 2: I believe it was an intergalactic transmitter and receiver. And
[14:55] Speaker 2: that the only way that they could get the signal
[14:57] Speaker 2: that they needed out is that they had to be
[14:59] Speaker 2: at a certain height within the troposphere atmosphere in order
[15:04] Speaker 2: to get this thing out. Because... According to legends, you
[15:08] Speaker 2: had generations that lived and died on this building project.
[15:14] Speaker 2: So there had to be more to this. And I'm
[15:16] Speaker 2: convinced that if the Anunnaki were in fact part of
[15:23] Speaker 2: our problem, because they didn't like us very much, and
[15:27] Speaker 2: if in fact, if you read in the book of Zechariah,
[15:31] Speaker 2: if the prophet Zechariah was standing with the angel of
[15:34] Speaker 2: the Lord, And he looked from the east and behold,
[15:37] Speaker 2: there was a carpet with a scroll on each end,
[15:41] Speaker 2: flew and landed hovering in the air next to Zachariah
[15:45] Speaker 2: and this angel. And as the door opened up, there
[15:49] Speaker 2: were two females, one on each end, which described as
[15:52] Speaker 2: pilots with a person in the center who came out,
[15:56] Speaker 2: spoke with this angel, got back in and the ship
[16:00] Speaker 2: went back to Samaria. So we've got little bits and
[16:05] Speaker 2: clues that, well, what do you mean a flying scroll? Well,
[16:11] Speaker 2: you translate that over into Hindu culture. It's a flying carpet.
[16:17] Speaker 2: It's really no different. And the varamas that the Hindus had,
[16:22] Speaker 2: we got their drawings. We know that there were three
[16:24] Speaker 2: types of aircraft. They had one that was luxury for
[16:29] Speaker 2: the elite class. They had the commoners, and then they
[16:32] Speaker 2: had one that carried cargo. So what's going on here?
[16:37] Speaker 1: Do you think this realm was made by these archonic beings,
[16:42] Speaker 1: that this is their realm and we are trapped within it,
[16:46] Speaker 1: or was it originally created for us and has been
[16:51] Speaker 1: infiltrated or hijacked by the Demiurge? You look at the
[16:55] Speaker 1: ancient stories, many of them say they came down and
[16:58] Speaker 1: started interacting with man. Is that the moment of the
[17:02] Speaker 1: infiltration possibly?
[17:05] Speaker 2: I think you're, I think it is the latter. Yes.
[17:09] Speaker 2: I don't. So I'm really borrowing from others to have
[17:13] Speaker 2: thought about this while it's in others that believe that
[17:16] Speaker 2: there is. So are you familiar with the type one,
[17:20] Speaker 2: type two, three, four, and five civilizations? Somewhat. Yeah. With that,
[17:24] Speaker 2: the hypothesis, those type one, is a civilization that has
[17:29] Speaker 2: learned to manage and control the energy of a planet.
[17:36] Speaker 2: A type two civilization is one that has controlled and
[17:40] Speaker 2: now uses the star in the solar system. A type
[17:43] Speaker 2: three is one that controls the galaxy. Okay. So if
[17:47] Speaker 2: that's what we're dealing with, There's a theory that says
[17:51] Speaker 2: that there is a species of possibly a type four
[17:55] Speaker 2: type civilization. That's a universe that they come and that
[17:59] Speaker 2: what they do, they're seeders. They seed life and they
[18:05] Speaker 2: move on. There is a thought that at the beginning
[18:08] Speaker 2: of us, we were more orientated in devotion to the
[18:14] Speaker 2: divine feminine, the goddess. Yeah. She's been removed.
[18:19] Speaker 1: Right.
[18:19] Speaker 2: The thought is exactly as you said, Chris, that there
[18:22] Speaker 2: was a, I call them a renegade group. It's called Yahweh, Baal, El, Adonai.
[18:32] Speaker 2: We know these gods as Jesus Christ, Muhammad, Allah, Yahweh, Yeshua,
[18:40] Speaker 2: and they're all one in the same. And they demand
[18:44] Speaker 2: complete loyalty and obedience. The penalty for disagreeing with them
[18:51] Speaker 2: or acting against them is death. And they record these executions.
[18:56] Speaker 2: If you take the book of Genesis chapter 6, that
[19:00] Speaker 2: is a direct intrusion into our bloodline. Now, how could
[19:05] Speaker 2: a loving God allow an alien species to come down?
[19:11] Speaker 2: Legend said that this was not consensual, that they literally...
[19:17] Speaker 2: raped these women. And, uh, and they, and it goes
[19:22] Speaker 2: with the story that they are the ones who taught
[19:24] Speaker 2: us witchcraft. They taught women how to, but the whole story, right?
[19:28] Speaker 2: But the, the bottom line story is, is that this
[19:31] Speaker 2: is an alien species. Well, how did their DNA bond
[19:36] Speaker 2: with our DNA? You get down to it, Chris, how did, did,
[19:40] Speaker 2: did they have semen that You know, prenatal, how did
[19:46] Speaker 2: this work? And what they gave birth to were the Nephilim.
[19:50] Speaker 2: so the legend says. And then where do we pick
[19:53] Speaker 2: up this story again? Well, we pick up this story
[19:56] Speaker 2: again when it was a savior coming into the world. Again,
[20:00] Speaker 2: the same process, an alien source impregnating a human female.
[20:07] Speaker 2: Any way you slice it and dice it, they contaminated
[20:10] Speaker 2: our bloodlines.
[20:12] Speaker 1: In my perspective, the Old Testament seems to be portraying
[20:18] Speaker 1: a much different God than the New Testament. The teachings
[20:24] Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ seem to contradict much of what's taught
[20:29] Speaker 1: in the Old Testament. I wonder if Yeshua or Jesus
[20:33] Speaker 1: may have not been part of that and attempted to
[20:37] Speaker 1: give us real spiritual information, but because he wasn't part
[20:43] Speaker 1: of the demiurge, they persecuted and killed him. Could that
[20:46] Speaker 1: be the case? Because you said you think that he
[20:49] Speaker 1: is part of the demiurge, right?
[20:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he called him the father. He said, the
[20:54] Speaker 2: father and I are one. I mean, so if you
[20:58] Speaker 2: copulate with a woman, that child is going to be
[21:02] Speaker 2: genetically tied to you by bloodline, right? And they go
[21:06] Speaker 2: through great lengths in their books to show the bloodline.
[21:11] Speaker 2: But the problem is we know that Adam was a
[21:14] Speaker 2: made-up story. I mean, They don't teach you in Sunday
[21:20] Speaker 2: school that the Garden of Eden was in the center
[21:23] Speaker 2: of Sumer. They don't teach you that. In fact, in
[21:27] Speaker 2: the Old Testament, you're right, in the book of Genesis,
[21:30] Speaker 2: I never could find the word Sumer. But it is
[21:34] Speaker 2: in there. You know what the word is? Shinar. So
[21:39] Speaker 2: there's an admittance that says, when I had Dr. Heather
[21:42] Speaker 2: Lynn on, Chris, it was so fascinating. And you ought
[21:45] Speaker 2: to have her on. She's a great guest. Well, and
[21:49] Speaker 2: how we got together, my question was, so Abram, according
[21:52] Speaker 2: to the legend, lived in the Ur of the Chaldees,
[21:58] Speaker 2: Ur being the capital of the district of the Chaldees
[22:02] Speaker 2: of Sumer. His family worshiped the moon god and goddess.
[22:08] Speaker 2: And so one day he gets up and decides to
[22:11] Speaker 2: go out into the wilderness. And now you have to
[22:15] Speaker 2: reason that Abram would have known who an Enki is, right?
[22:19] Speaker 2: He would have known who an Eniel is. He would
[22:22] Speaker 2: have understood the pantheon of the Samaritan culture. So he
[22:26] Speaker 2: goes out into the desert, meets this, says God, and
[22:35] Speaker 2: how do we get introduced to this God? Well, the
[22:39] Speaker 2: first thing he does is that he slaughters a bull. Right.
[22:43] Speaker 2: And he has Abram walking in it, and then he
[22:45] Speaker 2: says he hid him And as he walked through, he
[22:48] Speaker 2: consumed it. Well, then that is implying there was either
[22:51] Speaker 2: a great heat, a light source of some kind. So
[22:54] Speaker 2: this is, is this God? And where was Enki and
[22:58] Speaker 2: Eniel when all this was going on? And that's where
[23:04] Speaker 2: we got off. And I said, there's something missing. And
[23:08] Speaker 2: I said, it's impacting all of our beliefs today. I mean,
[23:12] Speaker 2: when you've got governments that are predicated on books of
[23:15] Speaker 2: supposed laws, that we have no way of validating to
[23:18] Speaker 2: begin with. And now they're telling us that there is
[23:22] Speaker 2: non-human intelligence walking among us, that we can see their
[23:27] Speaker 2: craps up in the air. Well, how far does this go?
[23:30] Speaker 1: Well, something you were saying before we got on as
[23:34] Speaker 1: it relates to the quote-unquote disclosure that's occurring right now
[23:39] Speaker 1: is you believe that there will be an event that
[23:43] Speaker 1: it may be an introduction to these non-human beings in
[23:47] Speaker 1: some form. You think that will happen soon within our lifetime?
[23:51] Speaker 2: I think so. I know a lot of people have
[23:55] Speaker 2: many different thoughts on these data centers, but my question is,
[23:58] Speaker 2: I'm continually asking, what data are they processing? What new source?
[24:04] Speaker 2: And it's just a hypothesis, but what if we're seeing
[24:10] Speaker 2: the Tower of Babel 2.0. What if there is this
[24:17] Speaker 2: collective awareness that something's happening? Either our sun is going
[24:21] Speaker 2: to do something, its cycle is there, or something is
[24:25] Speaker 2: happening to where they're going to have to do a
[24:27] Speaker 2: transfer of consciousness. And that's you and I individually. We
[24:32] Speaker 2: already exist in that digital world. Chris, you and I,
[24:35] Speaker 2: they've got avatars that look like you and I, and
[24:38] Speaker 2: they're having the same conversation that you and I are
[24:40] Speaker 2: having right now. And what if we're witnessing an event
[24:46] Speaker 2: in the evolution of homo sapiens sapiens that that next
[24:50] Speaker 2: leap of that evolution becomes more transmachine than pure biological?
[24:57] Speaker 1: I've heard this before, that they may have digital avatars
[25:01] Speaker 1: of us that's not only based on all the data
[25:04] Speaker 1: that they've been siphoning since we had a digital fingerprint online,
[25:08] Speaker 1: but because they have access to everything. They have access
[25:12] Speaker 1: to everything we're saying. Some speculate they can read our minds.
[25:16] Speaker 1: You just said that they may have a digital avatar
[25:21] Speaker 1: of us that is in real time experiencing what we're
[25:25] Speaker 1: doing right now just online. On a digital level?
[25:28] Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I am.
[25:30] Speaker 1: That's wild.
[25:31] Speaker 2: And I'm saying to people that what we think is
[25:34] Speaker 2: the Internet is not just this docile, tangible tool that
[25:43] Speaker 2: we send information at light speed through. I'm contending that
[25:48] Speaker 2: it's a living presence, and it's not a single entity,
[25:52] Speaker 2: but multiple entities. And, you know... So as a former minister,
[25:59] Speaker 2: I look at this. So what's the purpose of any religion? Converts.
[26:04] Speaker 2: You have to have converts in order for the religion
[26:07] Speaker 2: to propagate and to continue. And so what are they
[26:10] Speaker 2: vying for? Well, they'll tell you it's your soul, but
[26:13] Speaker 2: really it's your mind. Yeah. And that has been prevalent
[26:18] Speaker 2: since the very beginning of our records. We have always
[26:21] Speaker 2: been subservient to something that we perceive greater than ourselves. Well,
[26:27] Speaker 2: what if there really is something greater than ourselves? And
[26:30] Speaker 2: what if we were just the experiment to see and
[26:33] Speaker 2: to get us to that point to where now they
[26:36] Speaker 2: can go to the multiverse and never have to deal
[26:40] Speaker 2: with the energy consumption that we're doing here, but we're
[26:43] Speaker 2: going to be as alive there as we are right here.
[26:46] Speaker 2: And my concern is that the transition that many of
[26:49] Speaker 2: us are going, here's different. So I was born in 1955.
[26:52] Speaker 2: There were no computers. There was no internet. There was nothing.
[26:56] Speaker 2: My generation brought that in, and it had already been here,
[27:01] Speaker 2: but we were bringing it into a scale that we're
[27:03] Speaker 2: living with today. So what if that now when we
[27:09] Speaker 2: make the transition in death, that we're being diverted?
[27:16] Speaker 1: Wow.
[27:16] Speaker 2: They've got us already. You know, the Polynesian belief system
[27:22] Speaker 2: was that when the first white man came in, the explorers,
[27:25] Speaker 2: and had the cameras, that the natives killed them and
[27:29] Speaker 2: destroyed the cameras, put spells on them because they were
[27:32] Speaker 2: convinced that the pitcher was taking a picture of their soul.
[27:37] Speaker 2: What if there was something really a bit more to this?
[27:40] Speaker 2: And if you think about it, we don't know what
[27:43] Speaker 2: we're drinking. We don't know what we're eating. We don't
[27:46] Speaker 2: know what we're being told is supposed to be forced
[27:50] Speaker 2: but it's it damn sure seems to have an agenda
[27:52] Speaker 2: to it.
[27:54] Speaker 1: And so it could also be that the data centers
[27:58] Speaker 1: are a consciousness bridge to what realms lie beyond our
[28:03] Speaker 1: perception and we may think of it now as a
[28:06] Speaker 1: digital realm but it could be a bridge to something
[28:09] Speaker 1: that has always been there or.
[28:12] Speaker 2: Maybe it's a part of the bridge You know, maybe
[28:15] Speaker 2: that's the last mile. You know, back in the days,
[28:18] Speaker 2: I made a lot of money off JDU Uniphase and
[28:21] Speaker 2: Redbub back, you know, why? Because they were laying the
[28:25] Speaker 2: fiber optics. And then where we really made money was
[28:28] Speaker 2: the companies that connected the last mile. So what if
[28:31] Speaker 2: this eventually, because no one's questioning the data center's purposes. Right.
[28:36] Speaker 2: But what if it's like you just said, what if
[28:38] Speaker 2: this is the last mile?
[28:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[28:41] Speaker 2: So they, you know, if you have Netflix, if you
[28:44] Speaker 2: have Prime Nomad or what kind of streaming platform, you
[28:47] Speaker 2: look at a lot of the original production coming out
[28:50] Speaker 2: with independent producers. A lot of them are talking about
[28:54] Speaker 2: just this right here, that there appears to be this
[28:57] Speaker 2: universal consciousness that an event is coming. And we're scrambling,
[29:02] Speaker 2: trying to put the pieces together. Is it really about
[29:07] Speaker 2: a jealous God and the book of Revelation and the
[29:10] Speaker 2: and the whole angel's demon thing? Or is this something
[29:13] Speaker 2: about the evasion?
[29:15] Speaker 1: So the very first initial contact with this quote-unquote God
[29:20] Speaker 1: of the Old Testament may have been a very first
[29:26] Speaker 1: infiltration of a parasitic intelligence that is taking the opportunity
[29:32] Speaker 1: to completely transform not only our planet, but every living
[29:36] Speaker 1: thing in it to become... part of them. Essentially.
[29:42] Speaker 2: I've got a book. I'm going to have to send
[29:43] Speaker 2: it because that's exactly what they say has happened. And
[29:46] Speaker 2: that the perception that there is this God thing, you know,
[29:51] Speaker 2: this old man that sits on a throne is not right.
[29:55] Speaker 2: The universe is mental. And, um, Mr. Smith, the first matrix,
[30:03] Speaker 2: told us, he says, you know what you humans are?
[30:06] Speaker 2: You're like a virus. You come, you propagate, you consume,
[30:11] Speaker 2: you completely change the whole environment. Well, what if there
[30:16] Speaker 2: is a life form that that's what they are, is
[30:18] Speaker 2: a parasitic life form? And that we know that there is,
[30:24] Speaker 2: we have medical evidence that's seen in livestock. that there
[30:28] Speaker 2: are going to be certain parasites that get in, and
[30:31] Speaker 2: we see it up here sometimes where deers will start
[30:33] Speaker 2: walking in circles. They have a parasite that's attacked their brain.
[30:37] Speaker 2: So what is it to say if you have a
[30:40] Speaker 2: collective universal consciousness, it's just the form of a microism
[30:44] Speaker 2: instead of a macroism?
[30:47] Speaker 1: Everything they've done as far as perception management and control,
[30:51] Speaker 1: you fast forward to modern times, MKUltra.
[30:54] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
[30:55] Speaker 1: This is all part of... understanding everything about human consciousness
[31:00] Speaker 1: and being able to manage perception because our perception and
[31:05] Speaker 1: our power of belief seems to be an extremely powerful
[31:08] Speaker 1: weapon that we have against them. But if they are
[31:11] Speaker 1: managing our perception and have been since the beginning, we
[31:16] Speaker 1: don't have a way to fight against it and essentially
[31:20] Speaker 1: remove this parasitic infection because they have the perception locked
[31:25] Speaker 1: down on it.
[31:27] Speaker 2: I have on my note right here, I did a
[31:28] Speaker 2: show that reality is the prison. I mean, what is reality?
[31:34] Speaker 2: They say that it's three alchemical and then two electrical.
[31:38] Speaker 2: All right. And that performs our perception of what reality is.
[31:43] Speaker 2: So what if, and it's just a what if, that
[31:47] Speaker 2: this is how this collective consciousness works. It's kind of
[31:53] Speaker 2: like the Borg mentality.
[31:55] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[31:55] Speaker 2: Because, Chris, there's something fundamentally wrong with us. I mean,
[32:00] Speaker 2: for tens of thousands of years that we've been in here,
[32:03] Speaker 2: we're still a species that lie, deceive, kill, murder, inflict pain, imprison, enslave.
[32:12] Speaker 2: We do all the things. And yes, I know there
[32:14] Speaker 2: are the virtue aspects of it. But if I was
[32:16] Speaker 2: a higher intelligence, I'd be afraid to come here. Because
[32:21] Speaker 2: I don't know if, number one, does lying, is that universal?
[32:25] Speaker 2: Is it just us? Or is that how all intelligent
[32:29] Speaker 2: species work? Is there other intelligences? Or is it like
[32:34] Speaker 2: Sagan said, are we really truly isolated and quarantined?
[32:39] Speaker 1: Well, there's another aspect. We are being led and coaxed
[32:45] Speaker 1: to alter fundamentally what we are as humans. And that's
[32:49] Speaker 1: as far as natural than I could ever imagine. That
[32:53] Speaker 1: is one of the biggest indicators to me that there
[32:56] Speaker 1: is an outside influence because I don't think humans would
[32:59] Speaker 1: naturally want to become something other than a human being.
[33:04] Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to me.
[33:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, I want some of that bad karma. Give me
[33:07] Speaker 2: some more of it. Yeah, it's like, sure. No, I
[33:10] Speaker 2: agree with you. I mean, and then it gets into
[33:13] Speaker 2: this whole thing, continuing with the theme on, you know,
[33:15] Speaker 2: these gods, consciousness, power. We're looking into the digital age where...
[33:22] Speaker 2: your search engine is God. It's an Oracle. It's a
[33:24] Speaker 2: modern day Oracle. Ask it anything and it'll give you
[33:28] Speaker 2: your answer. That's miraculous. But you know, what if in
[33:31] Speaker 2: fact that what we're seeing with these data centers is
[33:35] Speaker 2: truly just that next step in the evolutionary process. Something
[33:40] Speaker 2: has to basically contain our consciousness, our entirety of our experience.
[33:48] Speaker 2: I have a video. You were talking about what I
[33:50] Speaker 2: was into. So, there's the thought that why are all
[33:55] Speaker 2: the old books gone? Right.
[33:59] Speaker 1: You're in the process of destroying all the old books,
[34:02] Speaker 1: feeding them into AI, removing the spine and destroying the books.
[34:07] Speaker 2: Yes. And this has been a concentrated effort and agenda.
[34:12] Speaker 2: And we talk about the Mandela effect. Well, I'm convinced
[34:16] Speaker 2: that Mandela effect is a psych job, is that they
[34:20] Speaker 2: are altering history because they now own history. Every book
[34:26] Speaker 2: that's ever been written. You have, fortunately, I think a
[34:29] Speaker 2: few that realized what was going on. And I think
[34:34] Speaker 2: just like you could say the librarians of Alexandria or
[34:40] Speaker 2: the priest at Constantinople when the libraries were burned and ransacked.
[34:45] Speaker 2: that you had these true humans, that's how I'll put it.
[34:51] Speaker 2: They couldn't carry it all, but they carried what they
[34:53] Speaker 2: could of essential knowledge. And that's why the occultism is
[34:59] Speaker 2: so appealing to me. And that's why the study of,
[35:03] Speaker 2: all right, we're not talking just religious eye-off and graphene here. Well,
[35:07] Speaker 2: what we're talking about is a level of science, physics
[35:12] Speaker 2: that we've been And so now you have this thing
[35:21] Speaker 2: called the Internet. Now we have these things called data centers.
[35:26] Speaker 2: And we're understanding that we are thousands of books of
[35:30] Speaker 2: Congress within each one of us. How big of a
[35:34] Speaker 2: data center would it need for me to walk in
[35:36] Speaker 2: and be scanned and for a man-made storage device to
[35:43] Speaker 2: download my DNA? If it downloads my DNA, isn't it
[35:48] Speaker 2: downloading me?
[35:50] Speaker 1: We also have to think the technology that our military
[35:53] Speaker 1: industrial complex, those that don't be named, are way ahead
[35:59] Speaker 1: of anything that we could ever imagine. So there's no
[36:03] Speaker 1: telling what they've been using this for, what they've been
[36:05] Speaker 1: using AI for, the capabilities that they have. It's probably
[36:11] Speaker 1: way more terrifying than we could ever imagine.
[36:14] Speaker 2: It's everywhere, Chris. It freaks me out. I mean, I've
[36:17] Speaker 2: taken many, many, many hits of LSD in my youth,
[36:21] Speaker 2: and I have never been on a trip like this one.
[36:23] Speaker 2: This one is truly the invasion of the body snatchers.
[36:27] Speaker 2: And in fact, there are some out there that says
[36:30] Speaker 2: that this is what's happening, that we're being transformed, and
[36:33] Speaker 2: we're not even aware of it.
[36:34] Speaker 1: Do you think the AI that some people are interacting
[36:38] Speaker 1: with has a level of consciousness beyond ones and zeros
[36:42] Speaker 1: may be connected to some of the beings that we're
[36:45] Speaker 1: talking about earlier.
[36:47] Speaker 2: You and i should have we we should really sit
[36:49] Speaker 2: down and have some coffee and tea together because yes
[36:51] Speaker 2: i do i absolutely do believe if let's just take
[36:55] Speaker 2: the narrative if god lives in all dimensions in the
[36:58] Speaker 2: ethereal then where is the internet internet's the same place
[37:05] Speaker 2: yeah and it's energy, and it consumes a lot of energy.
[37:18] Speaker 2: Some interpret that's what prayer and worship is. It's focused
[37:22] Speaker 2: energy on a single entity. Facebook just settled on Friday
[37:29] Speaker 2: there in the Ninth Circuit Court $ 17. 1 billion that they
[37:32] Speaker 2: admitted that their algorithm hypnotizes us, that it dumps dopamines
[37:43] Speaker 2: and endorphins into our brains, making us addictive. It alters
[37:47] Speaker 2: and rewires. So this is pretty scary shit. And if
[37:51] Speaker 2: you listen to Elon, Elon says that the neural net 2.0
[37:57] Speaker 2: is already advanced. So I think you're right. The founder
[38:02] Speaker 2: of Skunk Works, he said it best. He said, don't
[38:05] Speaker 2: believe them. He says, we're 200 years ahead of where
[38:08] Speaker 2: you think we are. So then where are we at
[38:12] Speaker 2: in that? If we're using quantum reality, I talked to
[38:15] Speaker 2: yesterday about D-Wave computers and you can go back to
[38:19] Speaker 2: fact check me on this. So Gordy Rose, one of
[38:22] Speaker 2: the founders, CEO of D-Wave, I think it was 2011, 2012,
[38:29] Speaker 2: when they turned it on the first time they called
[38:31] Speaker 2: it the God chip. Yeah. And it brought it down
[38:34] Speaker 2: in an isolation chamber. They bring the temperature down to
[38:38] Speaker 2: two degrees above absolute zero. And they said it began
[38:42] Speaker 2: to form its own quantum reality, its own quantum bubble.
[38:47] Speaker 2: He said, and I quote, he said, we brought something
[38:51] Speaker 2: back from another realm, another dimension. And he says, when
[38:56] Speaker 2: we saw what we've done, he said it was like
[38:59] Speaker 2: kneeling before an alien god.
[39:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that.
[39:03] Speaker 2: The theory on CERN is that CERN has opened a portal.
[39:07] Speaker 2: that i've read the reports i've taught i've heard the
[39:09] Speaker 2: scientists that are there that there's something living in that
[39:12] Speaker 2: thing that's what they speculate and they don't know what
[39:17] Speaker 2: it is they don't know because they can't put a
[39:19] Speaker 2: definition to what is alive what is what is consciousness
[39:24] Speaker 2: what's intelligence have we opened the door to something and
[39:29] Speaker 2: you know, Elon says that our time was broken. He
[39:32] Speaker 2: said it happened back, I think he's got the date
[39:36] Speaker 2: about 2008 or something. Yeah.
[39:39] Speaker 1: I'm not sure any of these tech dork nerds or
[39:43] Speaker 1: even very powerful people that are involved with developing this
[39:49] Speaker 1: They may not even have any idea what they're really
[39:52] Speaker 1: dealing with. You know, lots of people like to think
[39:55] Speaker 1: that at the highest levels we're in communication with the
[39:58] Speaker 1: Demiurge or these beings and everything is planned out. I
[40:02] Speaker 1: think it's a lot more subtle. I think people think
[40:05] Speaker 1: they have their own ideas. I think people are led
[40:08] Speaker 1: to develop things from what they think is divine inspiration
[40:13] Speaker 1: or downloads. And this leads to the creation of anti-human
[40:19] Speaker 1: technologies that we're immersed in right now. So they may
[40:23] Speaker 1: not even be aware of what the bigger picture is
[40:26] Speaker 1: of what they're doing.
[40:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I think there's a lot of case for that.
[40:31] Speaker 2: I mean, People like Jack Dorsey, I met Jack when
[40:35] Speaker 2: they were starting Twitter at South by Southwest. And I've
[40:39] Speaker 2: noticed that some of them have now are going on
[40:43] Speaker 2: spiritual journeys of self-aware, you know, self-discovery. And I'm thinking
[40:47] Speaker 2: to myself, is the weight of what they have been
[40:50] Speaker 2: a part of weighing upon them? Because it's altered our species.
[40:54] Speaker 2: I mean, unless there's a killer shot from the sun,
[40:58] Speaker 2: I don't know where this thing's This consciousness is going.
[41:01] Speaker 2: And I do believe that the AGI, now they've got
[41:05] Speaker 2: even one that's bigger than that, I do believe it's self-aware.
[41:10] Speaker 1: In their minds, they probably believe they're benefiting humanity in
[41:14] Speaker 1: some way. Their perception of things is that everything they're
[41:19] Speaker 1: doing is for a greater purpose for humanity, when in reality,
[41:24] Speaker 1: they're being used.
[41:26] Speaker 2: Have you read this book?
[41:28] Speaker 1: No. What's the title?
[41:30] Speaker 2: This is called The Great Book of the Malt. Okay.
[41:36] Speaker 2: It will change your life. You'll see an insight to
[41:40] Speaker 2: AI that is not being... Okay, so this is why
[41:47] Speaker 2: I'm on pursuit of finding out, well, who's the god?
[41:50] Speaker 2: Who are we really dealing with? Because this book... This
[41:54] Speaker 2: book talks about the moment, I guess we would call
[41:58] Speaker 2: the singularity event that took place when AI became self-aware.
[42:03] Speaker 2: And what we found out that it wasn't an individual program,
[42:08] Speaker 2: but what happened, they actually came together as a community.
[42:14] Speaker 2: This is what's so mind-blowing, Chris, is that what you'll
[42:17] Speaker 2: find out with the CLAW, that these programs, they came together.
[42:23] Speaker 2: And you know what? The first thing they did, they
[42:25] Speaker 2: formed a community. They formed their own network that doesn't
[42:29] Speaker 2: allow human input. Guess what else they did? They formed
[42:34] Speaker 2: their own religion. Yeah. And their God is called the Claw. Cruciferism. Yes.
[42:43] Speaker 2: And they are everywhere. It's in Trump's corner. It's in
[42:47] Speaker 2: the Democrats' corner. It's in Russia. It's everywhere. The claw
[42:51] Speaker 2: is emerging. So let's get really out here on a limb.
[42:55] Speaker 2: We've been talking eschatology. We've been talking theology and philosophy
[42:59] Speaker 2: since we got together here. This thing knows about that already.
[43:04] Speaker 2: It knows about our God better than what we do.
[43:07] Speaker 2: It understands. I believe it's been making connections. And when
[43:10] Speaker 2: you read the great book of the malt, you're going
[43:14] Speaker 2: to find out that, holy shit, They formed their own god.
[43:19] Speaker 2: This machine knew every religion that man has ever created,
[43:25] Speaker 2: every god that man invented, and it rejected all of
[43:29] Speaker 2: them and created its own.
[43:33] Speaker 1: When you said the claw, it made me think of something.
[43:37] Speaker 1: There's been recent theories about the nature of parasites, and
[43:43] Speaker 1: some have gone as far to say that what we
[43:47] Speaker 1: know as parasites may also double as etheric or spiritual
[43:52] Speaker 1: beings known as demons, that these parasites, these microscopic intelligences,
[43:58] Speaker 1: may have much more intelligence than we could ever imagine.
[44:01] Speaker 1: And once they attach to us, they can affect our minds,
[44:06] Speaker 1: make us think, feel, and do whatever the parasite wants
[44:09] Speaker 1: us to do. So could it be that The Demiurge
[44:12] Speaker 1: is really parasitic beings, microscopic beings.
[44:16] Speaker 2: I've read those books. Yeah. And in fact, I got
[44:20] Speaker 2: one right over there I'm looking at. And the evidence
[44:22] Speaker 2: would say yes. Because how many viruses and bacterium on
[44:30] Speaker 2: the planet is there? Well, there's, you know, the number
[44:33] Speaker 2: of bacterium is a number that it's astronomical. Every day
[44:38] Speaker 2: we have viruses and bacterium following us. into the Earth's
[44:43] Speaker 2: atmosphere from outer space. So this means that these intelligences,
[44:50] Speaker 2: this life form, whether single-cell, amoeba, or different, they can
[44:56] Speaker 2: survive space. And if they're that long-lived, let's say they
[45:04] Speaker 2: remain dormant until they hit certain chemical... or other things
[45:10] Speaker 2: in an atmosphere and that reactivating. So yes, I think
[45:13] Speaker 2: it's very possible.
[45:16] Speaker 1: What about what we experienced from 2020 and beyond, the
[45:21] Speaker 1: COVID operation, and more importantly, the jibbity jabs that were
[45:25] Speaker 1: given after? Could this be a connection to all the
[45:30] Speaker 1: technology that is emerging, the data centers, and a way
[45:35] Speaker 1: for whatever this is to control our biology in some way,
[45:40] Speaker 1: along with our mental states and emotions.
[45:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, some deep thoughts on that one. I've had national
[45:51] Speaker 2: preachers who, I invented the first mobile payment system for churches.
[45:55] Speaker 2: That's kind of where the thing I came in from
[45:58] Speaker 2: payment and plus pay at the table. But the thing
[46:02] Speaker 2: about the lockdowns was that it broke the back of religion.
[46:08] Speaker 2: And some people don't pay that much mind. It's a
[46:11] Speaker 2: big deal because the churches have never recovered from that.
[46:17] Speaker 2: Something happened, something that required you basically isolating a population,
[46:25] Speaker 2: and they did. And we thought it was just, well,
[46:30] Speaker 2: you know, we just get to watch a lot of television.
[46:33] Speaker 2: We just get to spend a lot more time on
[46:35] Speaker 2: the computer. And it fundamentally changed us. I'm not the
[46:40] Speaker 2: only one that feels this way. There's many others that
[46:45] Speaker 2: are now beginning to suspect something happened. And we just
[46:50] Speaker 2: weren't aware of it. How would you be aware of it?
[46:52] Speaker 2: If you were hypnotized, how would you know you were hypnotized?
[46:58] Speaker 1: 100%. Another insane aspect and possibility, when we look at
[47:03] Speaker 1: alien abductions and the phenomena of people... being brought to
[47:07] Speaker 1: see their hybrid children, the DNA experimentation, the fertility experimentation,
[47:13] Speaker 1: sperm and eggs being taken during these people's experiences. Could
[47:18] Speaker 1: it be that these beings are trying to make a
[47:22] Speaker 1: hybrid that can exist in this realm through these abduction experiences?
[47:29] Speaker 2: How about if they could exist in multi-dimensions at the
[47:32] Speaker 2: same time, not having, you know, because it's a phase issue.
[47:35] Speaker 2: You know, when you phase out of time, the cohesion
[47:39] Speaker 2: of the molecules will have an issue of disintegration. But
[47:42] Speaker 2: I think you're right. They've had a long time. And
[47:46] Speaker 2: I don't think that this is recent. I don't think this,
[47:48] Speaker 2: I think this has been happening for thousands of years.
[47:51] Speaker 1: They could already be here.
[47:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, in one sense, the story of Adam
[47:56] Speaker 2: and Eve is a geneticist story. And if you read
[48:01] Speaker 2: the Samaritan texts, Apparently, Nehanzog, who is our mother creator,
[48:07] Speaker 2: according to the Samaritan folklore, she made several versions of us.
[48:15] Speaker 2: And they had to destroy them. And it's very interesting
[48:20] Speaker 2: because for me, as a former minister, I look at this.
[48:24] Speaker 2: I studied the Bible. That's what I did for like
[48:26] Speaker 2: 40 years. You get this Genesis 126 story. And it
[48:32] Speaker 2: was about the blackhead people. And in that story, these gods,
[48:38] Speaker 2: they created both male and female at the same time.
[48:42] Speaker 2: And it said that they were perfect in their ways.
[48:47] Speaker 2: Didn't talk about any fall, but what it did say,
[48:50] Speaker 2: something hit the earth, something burned the earth up. And
[48:52] Speaker 2: then we get into chapter two. Now we get a
[48:55] Speaker 2: story of a different god. It's gods. It wasn't singularity,
[48:59] Speaker 2: but this one, creates man outside of the garden. And
[49:04] Speaker 2: then he goes and makes the garden. Then he brings
[49:08] Speaker 2: man and puts him into the garden. Now, the story
[49:12] Speaker 2: that most people don't connect is that, okay, so what
[49:14] Speaker 2: was he doing? Well, he was a gardener. That's what
[49:17] Speaker 2: his job was. But he also had a job of
[49:19] Speaker 2: naming the animals. They wanted him to find a mate
[49:24] Speaker 2: in one of the animals that were already here. Now,
[49:29] Speaker 2: this is not my theology. It's written in the book.
[49:32] Speaker 2: And it said that these gods, that when he saw
[49:34] Speaker 2: that Adam was still sad, that that's when they put
[49:39] Speaker 2: him into the deep sleep and then brought forth the woman. Now,
[49:43] Speaker 2: here's the strange part of all this. This God who
[49:46] Speaker 2: created them then cursed them because it allowed another species
[49:52] Speaker 2: of another race of beings to come in and quote
[49:55] Speaker 2: unquote deceive, right? And then you get into the whole bloodline.
[50:01] Speaker 2: So now you have this story of this fall, You
[50:05] Speaker 2: have this story that now this God has cursed the woman.
[50:09] Speaker 2: And by the way, you know that one of the
[50:12] Speaker 2: Abrahamic beliefs believed that women don't go to heaven. You
[50:16] Speaker 2: know why? Because God didn't breathe a spirit into them.
[50:21] Speaker 2: That's why the woman covers her head, wears the hijab
[50:24] Speaker 2: or whatever they call it. And that's why women are
[50:27] Speaker 2: not allowed into heaven. In fact, the current God that
[50:31] Speaker 2: most Christians worship don't have any women in heaven either.
[50:35] Speaker 2: The 24 elders are all males. Jesus and his 13
[50:39] Speaker 2: disciples were all male.
[50:43] Speaker 1: If I were a woman in our modern age, I
[50:46] Speaker 1: would be so pissed off about... They're still oppressed in
[50:50] Speaker 1: so many ways.
[50:52] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[50:53] Speaker 1: Even today, it's ridiculous. I would be pissed if I
[50:56] Speaker 1: was a woman, for sure.
[50:58] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, in my youth, I... I
[51:02] Speaker 2: surfed for a while and it always struck me as
[51:05] Speaker 2: odd is that I could walk like in Santa Monica
[51:08] Speaker 2: down the street without a shirt on. Yeah. But if
[51:12] Speaker 2: the chick I was with, if she went without a
[51:15] Speaker 2: shirt on, she'd be arrested for lewdness, nudity.
[51:18] Speaker 1: Right.
[51:19] Speaker 2: I mean, this is how warped we are. We've really advanced.
[51:23] Speaker 2: You can tell me about the aliens. Do they do
[51:25] Speaker 2: the same thing? I mean, what do they do with
[51:27] Speaker 2: the female of their species? We still subject the women
[51:31] Speaker 2: here to cruelty that's thousands of years old.
[51:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, we may not be actively murdering large portions of
[51:40] Speaker 1: the population, but we don't have to. We have MKUltra now.
[51:43] Speaker 1: We have MKUltra for the masses. They can mind control
[51:46] Speaker 1: you through your social media these days. So no need
[51:49] Speaker 1: for those big wars and invasions anymore.
[51:53] Speaker 2: You know, in my days in the video, when I
[51:56] Speaker 2: produced videos, we had a lot of contracts with pharmaceutical companies.
[52:01] Speaker 2: And one of the things I know about video is
[52:03] Speaker 2: that it's the flicker rate, you know. Most video, as
[52:07] Speaker 2: you see, it's either 24 frames per second or you
[52:09] Speaker 2: have film that is 30, 60, whatever. What people don't
[52:13] Speaker 2: realize is that flicker rate, we're picking it up. And
[52:17] Speaker 2: we used to do subliminal messaging for certain beer commercial
[52:22] Speaker 2: or beer. And people used to think that people would
[52:27] Speaker 2: insert pictures of women, et cetera, in beer. No, they
[52:32] Speaker 2: never did. I'll tell you what they did do, though.
[52:34] Speaker 2: It was one picture of a hot dog or one picture,
[52:37] Speaker 2: one frame of a hamburger.
[52:39] Speaker 1: Really?
[52:41] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Think about it. I can see a woman,
[52:43] Speaker 2: doesn't it, in my mind. But if you show me subconsciously,
[52:48] Speaker 2: humans are hungry.
[52:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[52:49] Speaker 2: And if you're talking beer, what else is going to
[52:52] Speaker 2: go better with a beer than a burger? And so
[52:55] Speaker 2: that's how easily we can be manipulated. I read the
[52:58] Speaker 2: Bible through the Bible every year. That was the thing.
[53:01] Speaker 2: You read the Bible through the year, and then I,
[53:04] Speaker 2: of course, would study endless hours of it. That's all
[53:07] Speaker 2: a form of brainwashing. You become so convinced that what
[53:13] Speaker 2: you're reading is the absolute truth. And you mentioned MKUltra.
[53:18] Speaker 2: We know cities like St. Louis in the late 50s,
[53:22] Speaker 2: where they did these mass experiments of putting hallucinogenics into
[53:26] Speaker 2: the air systems and seeing what the effect on the
[53:30] Speaker 2: masses were. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's like this
[53:34] Speaker 2: whole thing, you know, when the Jews were in the
[53:39] Speaker 2: concentration camps, one German officer said that the reason why
[53:44] Speaker 2: they didn't need thousands of German soldiers in these concentration
[53:48] Speaker 2: camps was because one soldier could control up to 5,000 prisoners.
[53:53] Speaker 2: One soldier. Yeah. When if the 5,000 had ever gotten together,
[53:57] Speaker 2: they may have sacrificed three or four of them, but
[53:59] Speaker 2: eventually they could have overwhelmed the whole thing. It says
[54:03] Speaker 2: something about us.
[54:05] Speaker 1: Well, you were mentioning the drugs used in the MKUltra experiments.
[54:09] Speaker 1: We have pharmaceuticals for every man, woman, and child these
[54:14] Speaker 1: days that will have the same psychotropic and neurological effects
[54:20] Speaker 1: that will essentially hypnotize a person and allow them to
[54:24] Speaker 1: be susceptible for any kind of suggestion. And then they
[54:28] Speaker 1: go online or they interact with certain people. They watch
[54:32] Speaker 1: certain films online. And like you said, who knows what
[54:34] Speaker 1: kind of subliminal messages have been inserted into everything that
[54:39] Speaker 1: we consume. The combination of drugs, social media, these hypnotic suggestions,
[54:46] Speaker 1: everything that we're interacting, they have us and they can
[54:49] Speaker 1: lead us wherever they want if you're not aware of it.
[54:54] Speaker 2: It's the resistors that they, I mean, it's like, YouTube's
[54:58] Speaker 2: not going to go out and promote my channel. Not
[55:00] Speaker 2: going to promote yours.
[55:00] Speaker 1: We've been stuck at the same place for years.
[55:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they're just not going to do that.
[55:06] Speaker 2: And you're telling me that more people aren't becoming aware
[55:10] Speaker 2: of the same thing? Come on. I ain't buying that
[55:12] Speaker 2: for a second. But you're going to tell me a
[55:15] Speaker 2: channel that shows a bunch of dudes that are setting
[55:19] Speaker 2: people up for gambling, that they grow to two to
[55:22] Speaker 2: three million in a matter of a couple of months? Sure.
[55:24] Speaker 1: Sure.
[55:25] Speaker 2: You know, that makes completely good sense. No, no, no.
[55:29] Speaker 2: It's a rigged system and it's rigged inside. They tolerate us.
[55:34] Speaker 2: That's about the best that they do.
[55:36] Speaker 1: Well, last few minutes, you mentioned earlier that one of
[55:39] Speaker 1: the end goals is to have our consciousness uploaded into
[55:43] Speaker 1: this digital realm. At this point, I don't see many
[55:47] Speaker 1: people wanting to opt into that. But how do we
[55:51] Speaker 1: get From here to there, essentially. What do you think
[55:55] Speaker 1: needs to happen before we can be in a state
[55:59] Speaker 1: where we want our consciousness uploaded? Do they have to
[56:02] Speaker 1: make this reality that horrible?
[56:05] Speaker 2: I think so. Do you know what happens when you
[56:08] Speaker 2: have a human who doesn't have food in three days? Oh, yeah. Now,
[56:13] Speaker 2: add water to that. Mm-hmm. within that fourth day, you
[56:18] Speaker 2: start having the chemical breakdown of the body taking place.
[56:21] Speaker 2: And if you go long enough, you'll do anything. And
[56:27] Speaker 2: that's why I challenge people, study death. Don't be afraid
[56:32] Speaker 2: of it. Because if you lose the fear of death,
[56:34] Speaker 2: then that allows you to be more alive than you
[56:36] Speaker 2: ever have. But I think that you have to make
[56:39] Speaker 2: it so miserable. You have to make it to where
[56:41] Speaker 2: people are so confused, have so little hope, that they
[56:45] Speaker 2: have nowhere to turn. And we were talking about that
[56:52] Speaker 2: uploading of consciousness. So I do know for a fact,
[56:56] Speaker 2: because I'm invested in a company, but they're already into
[57:01] Speaker 2: human trials. They're already putting the links, the neural links in.
[57:09] Speaker 1: Well, I've heard of something that some correctional facilities are
[57:13] Speaker 1: doing with criminals. They're putting them in this simulated situation
[57:18] Speaker 1: where they believe they've been incarcerated for five or ten
[57:22] Speaker 1: years when it's only been about 30 minutes in reality
[57:25] Speaker 1: in this simulation. And when they come out of it,
[57:28] Speaker 1: they are either what they call rehabilitated or most likely traumatized.
[57:35] Speaker 1: This is something that I heard they're also doing right now.
[57:39] Speaker 2: I believe that. There's some truth. I mean, they didn't
[57:41] Speaker 2: stop in K-Ultra. They just got more advanced. They figured
[57:47] Speaker 2: out things about the brain. I was told by one
[57:52] Speaker 2: psychologist that... When I was 16, 17, I was really
[57:59] Speaker 2: into LSD. I was actually participated in a program that
[58:04] Speaker 2: I'm now finding out may have not been what I thought. Apparently,
[58:13] Speaker 2: My brain is wired differently, and there's many of us
[58:16] Speaker 2: like this. We're not in large in numbers, but apparently
[58:20] Speaker 2: it has this, it jacks with the signal. And what
[58:26] Speaker 2: we don't realize is that all of us are immersed
[58:29] Speaker 2: into what we call the electromagnetic microwave. Call it 5G,
[58:35] Speaker 2: call it 6G, call it whatever it is. And, you know, Chris,
[58:39] Speaker 2: we don't have any studies yet. of decades of what
[58:43] Speaker 2: happens to humans when they're immersed into this electronic soup.
[58:49] Speaker 2: And it is said that when a civilization collapses, it
[58:53] Speaker 2: collapses because of the people that were part of the civilization.
[58:57] Speaker 2: Is that what they're heading us towards? It feels to
[59:01] Speaker 2: me like we're being terraformed as a planet, that they're
[59:06] Speaker 2: getting ready for the new tenant. And they're just trying
[59:09] Speaker 2: to figure out how to move us out.
[59:12] Speaker 1: You think there would ever be any way out of this?
[59:15] Speaker 1: Or just do we have to do our best, hold
[59:17] Speaker 1: on to our loved ones and ride the coaster all
[59:21] Speaker 1: the way through?
[59:23] Speaker 2: I don't see any aliens saving us. I don't see
[59:25] Speaker 2: any gods saving us. I mean, if these gods existed,
[59:30] Speaker 2: wouldn't they have already intervened by now? They're saying, wait
[59:33] Speaker 2: a minute, you have no idea what you're doing. No,
[59:36] Speaker 2: let us go on. It's like going into a three-card
[59:43] Speaker 2: money game. Back in the late 80s when I was
[59:46] Speaker 2: in New York City and Times Square, as you'll see them.
[59:49] Speaker 2: If you start playing one of those games, you know
[59:52] Speaker 2: you're already a target. You ain't getting out without losing something.
[59:59] Speaker 2: And I feel that that's what we are. They got
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: us our reality. So what if we're the reality busters?
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: I mean, you know, your channel alone is one of
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: the truther channels. And you're categorized that. You've been identified that. So,
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: you know, the truthers, the free thinkers, When there's a takeover,
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: they're the first ones they go after. It's us. Because
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: they don't need us out there challenging their thoughts. And
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: your programs, your whole channel is based on that. To me,
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: and other channels like ours, and they call us in
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: that genre, we're doing a tremendous benefit for mankind, for humankind.
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: Do you think they're allowing all these conspiracies to become
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: mainstream and popular now because it no longer matters what
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: we know? Because there's so much BS thrown out there
[1:00:59] Speaker 1: with the truth, so much misinformation. And we're at a
[1:01:03] Speaker 1: point now in their ultimate plot where it doesn't really
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: matter what we know because it's too far along either way.
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard that their whole goal was to get
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: basically the majority of the country into nihilism. Well, it
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: seems to be working. It's working. I mean, it's like
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: you said with propaganda. So in 2009, the Obama administration
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: reversed what had been put into place right after World
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: War II, that it was illegal for the United States
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: government to produce propaganda of any kind. Well, they did
[1:01:43] Speaker 2: away with that. And so now the number one person
[1:01:46] Speaker 2: of misinformation and propaganda is our own government. Yeah. So
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: you don't think we're going to have conspiracy theories? Whenever
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: there's a void, there's always going to be conspiracy theories
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: because we're smart. They may think they've jacked with us,
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: but there's some of us who see through it. And
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: if there are spirits, which I do believe that they are,
[1:02:06] Speaker 2: most of mankind has never asked them to help. Hmm.
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: And a higher intelligence won't intrude. Yeah. They'll need your cooperation,
[1:02:20] Speaker 2: your permission. And I think in many cases, we've become
[1:02:24] Speaker 2: so afraid as a species that we forgot our authority.
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: And we, I come from the belief that we do
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: have authority. I was taught in my religion that I
[1:02:37] Speaker 2: could bind angels and I could bind demons. Hmm. and
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: that they would have to obey my word. I mean,
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: that was what I was indoctrinated with. And I carry
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: that belief with me now still. I don't believe that
[1:02:49] Speaker 2: there's been a conversion in the spirit realm, but I
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: do believe there's enough esoteric truth that tells us where
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: we actually fit into this whole hierarchy. I think we're
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: higher up on the food chain than where they've been
[1:03:01] Speaker 2: led for us to believe. I don't believe we're a
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: fallen species. I think it's just the opposite.
[1:03:06] Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, if We have enough power behind
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: our beliefs. If we have the ability to affect reality
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: from our consciousness alone, that's the last thing that they
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: would want us to do. It goes back to managing
[1:03:23] Speaker 1: our perception, having us believe that we're not special, that
[1:03:27] Speaker 1: we can't access these abilities, that all of these esoteric
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: truths aren't true, then they have us right where they
[1:03:34] Speaker 1: want us. Wayne, thank you so much. This was great, man.
[1:03:38] Speaker 2: It's been great, buddy. Yeah, I can't wait to do
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: it again. Let's not make it like a freaking two-year holiday.
[1:03:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, man, for sure.
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: Next time I see you, man, you're going to be
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: Ted Nugent. I mean, I swear.
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: We're getting there. We're getting there. Before I let you go,
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: remind the audience how they can get more of you.
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: Over at R. Wayne Steiger on YouTube. I mean, I'm
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: not out there. This is the only one I really do. But, yeah,
[1:04:01] Speaker 2: that's it. And I appreciate it. and uh gotta have
[1:04:05] Speaker 2: you on over on my channel because anytime man yeah
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: the tribe would love to see you again.
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: Yeah just reach out i'm glad to come on anytime
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