# Dr Juliette Engle | Mkultra Under Disneyland, Sex Magick & SRA, Groomed for Power

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 3 Jul 2026, 1 h 27 min.

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## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:04] Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
[0:08] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:10] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:14] Speaker 1: your host Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Juliet Ingle.
[0:18] Speaker 1: Be sure and check out my films A called Louisianas
[0:20] Speaker 1: on to be Doors of Perception on Amazon Prime. I
[0:24] Speaker 1: am booking guests for August. If you have suggestions or
[0:28] Speaker 1: you'd like to be a guest, email me Forbidden Knowledge
[0:31] Speaker 1: neews at gmail dot com. Today I want to welcome juliett.
[0:35] Speaker 2: Ingle.
[0:36] Speaker 1: She is an author and survivor of the CIA's Monarch
[0:40] Speaker 1: MK Ultra program. Juliette, Welcome. How you doing.
[0:44] Speaker 2: I'm fine. It's very warm here, but I guess it
[0:47] Speaker 2: is all over the world pretty much.
[0:50] Speaker 1: Well, it's better than being too cold in my perspective.
[0:54] Speaker 1: But thank you so much for joining us Today. We're
[0:57] Speaker 1: gonna share your story of survival, surrounding your experiences from
[1:02] Speaker 1: a very early age being a victim of the Monarch
[1:06] Speaker 1: mk Ultra program, as well as how you were able
[1:09] Speaker 1: to escape. You also had meetings with people like Jeffrey Epstein,
[1:15] Speaker 1: which we'll discuss a bit. Your book, Sparky Surviving Sex Magic,
[1:19] Speaker 1: details much of your experiences, and we're going to try
[1:22] Speaker 1: and get to as much as possible today. Before we do,
[1:26] Speaker 1: briefly introduce yourself and let the audience know how they
[1:29] Speaker 1: can find out more about you.
[1:31] Speaker 2: Well, I'm doctor Juliet Engel. I'm, among other things, a
[1:35] Speaker 2: retired physician, and you can find I have a website
[1:40] Speaker 2: which is www dot Juliet Engel dot com basically just
[1:46] Speaker 2: my name dot com, and you get copies of my
[1:49] Speaker 2: three books there, which cover my childhood in MK Ultra,
[1:54] Speaker 2: which is Sparky Surviving Sex Magic, which is a book
[1:58] Speaker 2: about survival because ived that horror that we're going to
[2:02] Speaker 2: talk about today. I went into the program in nineteen
[2:07] Speaker 2: fifty five when I was six years old. I'm now
[2:10] Speaker 2: seventy seven and I've returned from working for twenty years
[2:14] Speaker 2: in Russia organizing an underground railroad to rescue child trafficking victims.
[2:19] Speaker 2: And now I'm back in the United States and I
[2:22] Speaker 2: want to share everything I've learned and everything I know.
[2:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, so this essential information to share. I guess we
[2:30] Speaker 1: could start from the very beginning, take us through your
[2:34] Speaker 1: earliest memories about how you were involved with the program.
[2:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, in well, a little bit of background because now
[2:44] Speaker 2: there's more and more media attention in this now that
[2:47] Speaker 2: the Congress is doing testimonies on mk Ultra. And the
[2:54] Speaker 2: first one was yesterday, and it was although they didn't
[2:58] Speaker 2: involve any MK Ultra survivors, although we volunteered, I mean
[3:03] Speaker 2: there were several people volunteering. The two speakers, doctor Kinzer
[3:10] Speaker 2: and doctor O'Neill, did a very good job of giving
[3:14] Speaker 2: background and really tearing into the horrors, the viciousness, the
[3:19] Speaker 2: criminality of the program in a way that we survivors
[3:22] Speaker 2: couldn't because we're still traumatized. We're still dealing with triggering
[3:28] Speaker 2: and memory loss and all the things that were programmed
[3:32] Speaker 2: in at a very early age, you know, we struggle with.
[3:35] Speaker 2: But the survivors people that didn't can say these things
[3:38] Speaker 2: like doctor Kinzer and doctor O'Neil, so I would encourage everyone.
[3:43] Speaker 2: I thought the Congress people did a great job of
[3:46] Speaker 2: keeping the focus on the mk Ultra program and not
[3:49] Speaker 2: letting it wander. So it was a very good start.
[3:53] Speaker 2: And that said, I'll go back to my beginning. I
[3:58] Speaker 2: was born in nineteen forty nine. In the five years
[4:02] Speaker 2: preceding that was the end of the Second World War
[4:07] Speaker 2: and following the Second World War, the Nazi perpetrators of
[4:12] Speaker 2: the experiment human experimentation, horrific human experimentation that took place
[4:18] Speaker 2: in the nast Nazi concentration camps were arrested and brought
[4:23] Speaker 2: to Nuremberg, and there they met with a cadre of
[4:25] Speaker 2: experts from the OSS, including five of my uncles, And
[4:34] Speaker 2: instead of trying these people and executing them, which they
[4:38] Speaker 2: should have done, and destroying their rooms full of evidence
[4:42] Speaker 2: on horrific experimentation, which never been done, they decided that, Wow,
[4:49] Speaker 2: we can't miss this opportunity. And instead of destroying the program,
[4:55] Speaker 2: destroying the evidence, destroying just it should have been obliterated
[5:00] Speaker 2: at that point, but they kept it, and they kept it,
[5:03] Speaker 2: and they divided the scientists up between the UK, Russia
[5:07] Speaker 2: and the US, and I suspect other places. And yesterday
[5:11] Speaker 2: they talked about Project paper Clip, which brought about fifteen
[5:16] Speaker 2: hundred of these war criminals, just the worst of the
[5:20] Speaker 2: war criminals, because what they did, unspeakable things that they did,
[5:28] Speaker 2: and they should have been punished for and they were
[5:30] Speaker 2: rewarded richly and staid. They were brought to the United
[5:33] Speaker 2: States to Huntsville, Alabama, where they were reoriented, taught to
[5:39] Speaker 2: be Americans, given new identities. The families were brought over,
[5:43] Speaker 2: and these monsters were distributed around the United States to
[5:47] Speaker 2: institutions that wanted to start mind control programs and other things.
[5:52] Speaker 2: I'm only speaking about the mind control because that was
[5:55] Speaker 2: my experience and I want to give everyone to Wrecked
[6:00] Speaker 2: personal testimony because you can use it. So at the time,
[6:09] Speaker 2: twenty years later they had eighty program sites, one hundred
[6:13] Speaker 2: and fifty programs running and in all the states of
[6:19] Speaker 2: the United States. So in twenty years it went from
[6:22] Speaker 2: being a small group of of CIA agents and Nazi
[6:26] Speaker 2: scientists to being quite a large program. So a program
[6:32] Speaker 2: officially started in nineteen fifty three and the Dulles brothers,
[6:37] Speaker 2: John Foster Dallas and Alan Dulles were the head of
[6:41] Speaker 2: the CIA and the head of the State Department at
[6:43] Speaker 2: that time, and they created the program. They called it
[6:47] Speaker 2: MK Ultra. They brought in an MK is mind comf.
[6:52] Speaker 2: People keep saying, oh, it's German for mind control. No,
[6:55] Speaker 2: that would be geist controller. You know it doesn't translate,
[7:00] Speaker 2: you know, it's mind komf and yeah, and we learned
[7:05] Speaker 2: that from very early in the program that this was
[7:08] Speaker 2: the Hitler Himmler program and we were part of it
[7:12] Speaker 2: and should be proud of that. So nineteen fifty three
[7:18] Speaker 2: they brought in Sydney Gottlieb, who was also they talked
[7:22] Speaker 2: about him yesterday in the congressional hearings. He was the
[7:27] Speaker 2: head of technical services for the CIA during the war
[7:31] Speaker 2: and then was known as the head poisoner of the CIA,
[7:35] Speaker 2: Chief poisoner of the CIA. Yeah, so let's bring him
[7:39] Speaker 2: in to experiment on American children. Great idea, you know.
[7:45] Speaker 2: And it's my own family who did this. I just
[7:49] Speaker 2: I it's unspeakable anyway, So they brought him in. He
[7:56] Speaker 2: then brought in a group of people from tactical technical
[8:01] Speaker 2: services from the CIA, including one of the worst human
[8:05] Speaker 2: beings I've ever known who became my first handler, which
[8:09] Speaker 2: was doctor George White. And so this started nineteen fifty three.
[8:17] Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty five, I was sold into the program in
[8:21] Speaker 2: a ritual by my father, who took me to a
[8:26] Speaker 2: park and where I was drugged. I was given my
[8:30] Speaker 2: first bottle of Coca Cola and my last I've ever
[8:33] Speaker 2: drank another one.
[8:36] Speaker 1: Which before that experience was your childhood abusive or traumatic?
[8:44] Speaker 1: What was it like before you were sold to this program?
[8:49] Speaker 2: Well, I had seen in my family circle. My mother's
[8:59] Speaker 2: brother was one of the founders of the NSSAY. He'd
[9:04] Speaker 2: been in the CIA. He was a brilliant cryptologist and
[9:09] Speaker 2: became one of the first founders of the NSSA. He
[9:15] Speaker 2: and my mother were very close. My mother, I think
[9:18] Speaker 2: was I think they were both in some kind of program.
[9:21] Speaker 2: My great grandfather had been the head of the was
[9:25] Speaker 2: the North American commandant for the Knights Templar, and he
[9:31] Speaker 2: had the world's largest construction company and they built construction
[9:34] Speaker 2: projects all over the world. He was a genius. He
[9:39] Speaker 2: also invented the music industry, and that was a technical
[9:45] Speaker 2: achievement to take actual music with all its different intonations
[9:50] Speaker 2: and frequencies and recorded on metal sheets through a patented
[9:58] Speaker 2: process that then could be replayed and redistributed. And up
[10:02] Speaker 2: to that point, there was no music industry. And someone
[10:08] Speaker 2: sent me films recently. It was called the US Music Company,
[10:13] Speaker 2: and it was based in Hollywood, and they had a
[10:19] Speaker 2: large factory and they were producing what eventually became the
[10:24] Speaker 2: record companies. But they started with these recordings on metal,
[10:30] Speaker 2: metal roles that used magnets, and it was it was
[10:35] Speaker 2: the music business. So later they became Capitol Records, they
[10:40] Speaker 2: became Arthur's Music. You know. The family divided it into
[10:46] Speaker 2: different sections, so they were the music industry in Hollywood.
[10:53] Speaker 1: So I'm sorry to interrupt you. You were telling me
[10:55] Speaker 1: that you took your last drink of coca cola. It
[10:59] Speaker 1: was apparently laced with something.
[11:02] Speaker 2: Yes, And I woke up being sexually molested from behind,
[11:07] Speaker 2: with my head pushed down on this black altar with
[11:11] Speaker 2: a stinky sheet on it. I remember the temperature of
[11:16] Speaker 2: the room, the smell of the sheet, the man behind me,
[11:21] Speaker 2: and my father standing in front of me while I
[11:24] Speaker 2: was screaming for his help, and he turned to me
[11:27] Speaker 2: and said, this is what I raised you for. And
[11:33] Speaker 2: then they started counting out money and putting money in
[11:35] Speaker 2: his hand, and I realized I'd been sold by my
[11:41] Speaker 2: own father, and to a child. Grape is not sexual,
[11:48] Speaker 2: it's just violence. So it was violence being inflicted on
[11:53] Speaker 2: me and my father taking money for it, and I
[12:01] Speaker 2: I realized I was alone in this world. So that's
[12:07] Speaker 2: that's so that was one of many in my life
[12:09] Speaker 2: living live or die moments. I was either going to
[12:12] Speaker 2: fight like hell to live and get through this or
[12:15] Speaker 2: just give up, I mean, because I'd already give it
[12:18] Speaker 2: up on my mother. And that's that's another story.
[12:22] Speaker 1: So how did your experiences within the program progress? What
[12:28] Speaker 1: were you subjected to? Without getting into any horrific detail,
[12:33] Speaker 1: tell us basically, what was your process of being programmed?
[12:40] Speaker 2: Yes, and anybody that wants to know more about it.
[12:46] Speaker 2: Sparky Surviving Sex Magic. I went back. I forced myself
[12:52] Speaker 2: back and remembering the time as a child, because you
[12:56] Speaker 2: really have to understand it from the point of a
[12:58] Speaker 2: child's magical thinking. Children are magical thinkers. They don't have
[13:02] Speaker 2: the adult logic and they don't have frames of reference.
[13:06] Speaker 2: So I'm going to speak to you today as an adult,
[13:09] Speaker 2: of course, but but to see how how it really
[13:13] Speaker 2: is and have the programming processes from the point of
[13:16] Speaker 2: view of a child's thinking. Sparky is the book to read.
[13:21] Speaker 2: And and I can tell you that each my time
[13:28] Speaker 2: was divided from then from that point on, So I
[13:31] Speaker 2: was I was in Seattle at that time, and I
[13:35] Speaker 2: was in kindergarten and then first grade, and then the
[13:38] Speaker 2: the half the time I was home with my family
[13:43] Speaker 2: where we were supposed to be living like a normal family,
[13:46] Speaker 2: although I don't know if that was ever really true.
[13:49] Speaker 2: And the other half the time I was in what
[13:51] Speaker 2: they called annexes and uh, what the CIA called safe houses,
[13:57] Speaker 2: and they covered they cover these in the in the
[14:01] Speaker 2: CIA document releases, which just came out. It's in twenty
[14:06] Speaker 2: twenty four, in December of twenty twenty four. Is the
[14:08] Speaker 2: first time the CIA confessed and actually admitted to having
[14:13] Speaker 2: done these things and just have run the project mk
[14:18] Speaker 2: Ultra and identified the organizers and took credit for it.
[14:24] Speaker 2: Although what's lacking at all this is they haven't talked
[14:26] Speaker 2: to the survivors yet. That's coming. So half the time
[14:33] Speaker 2: I'd be in school and the other half in some
[14:37] Speaker 2: annex somewhere, and each annex had a doctor Green in charge,
[14:41] Speaker 2: and the doctor Green had a thick German accent, so
[14:45] Speaker 2: I think these were the Nazi concentration camp scientists who
[14:53] Speaker 2: were in charge of all the different safe houses annexes
[14:57] Speaker 2: around the country. They had a doctor and the doctor
[15:02] Speaker 2: White was the doctor White that I knew was actually
[15:05] Speaker 2: doctor George White, who was my handler and chief torturer.
[15:10] Speaker 2: And then because I think because it was the program
[15:14] Speaker 2: was only a few years old, so they didn't have
[15:16] Speaker 2: that many children in it yet. And most of the
[15:19] Speaker 2: children in the program were actually the children of the CIA, NSA,
[15:25] Speaker 2: the State Department, the high military officials. I suspect these
[15:32] Speaker 2: were all the children that came through the secret societies,
[15:35] Speaker 2: you know, Skull and Bones and Masons and templars. And
[15:41] Speaker 2: they put their children in, and they took their looked
[15:46] Speaker 2: like they took their oldest child and put them in.
[15:49] Speaker 2: And sometimes we were taught like classes where we learned
[15:56] Speaker 2: about things like genocide, and we were taught that we
[16:02] Speaker 2: were the goats and everyone else was the sheep, and
[16:06] Speaker 2: the goats the goats would lead and the sheep would die.
[16:11] Speaker 2: And I actually have some notes that I took when
[16:16] Speaker 2: I was probably in fourth or fifth grade describing the
[16:21] Speaker 2: genocide that was going to take place. And at that
[16:24] Speaker 2: time they were predicting that the black race would be
[16:29] Speaker 2: wiped off the face of the earth by nineteen eighty two.
[16:33] Speaker 2: Huh yes, And I wrote this in a social studies
[16:38] Speaker 2: report in like seventh grade. The school called in my
[16:43] Speaker 2: parents and it led to a big fractice. But yeah,
[16:47] Speaker 2: so they were planning this genocide and optimistically assuming that,
[16:51] Speaker 2: you know, would happen fast.
[16:55] Speaker 1: And I was going to ask how did they frame
[16:59] Speaker 1: what you were doing doing? How did they innocence sell
[17:02] Speaker 1: it to you? And you said that they basically said
[17:06] Speaker 1: that you would be the leaders, You would be the goats,
[17:08] Speaker 1: and everyone else would be the sheep. Did they have
[17:12] Speaker 1: any other explanation as to what exactly they were doing.
[17:17] Speaker 1: Did they go into details about what they were putting
[17:21] Speaker 1: you through as they did it?
[17:24] Speaker 2: Well, sometimes in some places they would ask me about,
[17:28] Speaker 2: you know, what I how I was responding to things.
[17:32] Speaker 2: So a typical session that would bring me to the
[17:36] Speaker 2: to the annex. They would take away everything I had
[17:40] Speaker 2: with me, including my clothes. They'd tie me to a wheel,
[17:44] Speaker 2: a horizontal wheel that had symbols on it, and then
[17:49] Speaker 2: they would start spinning the wheel, and men in robes
[17:53] Speaker 2: would be standing around the outside and they would be chanting,
[17:59] Speaker 2: there is no light, there's no dark, there is no day,
[18:02] Speaker 2: there's no night, there's no up, there's no down, no man,
[18:05] Speaker 2: no woman, and it would get faster and faster, and
[18:08] Speaker 2: the wheel would spin faster and faster, and at the
[18:15] Speaker 2: point where you just can't stand it anymore. You're you are.
[18:19] Speaker 2: We are instructed to release our souls, and our souls
[18:25] Speaker 2: were described to us. We could blow them out of
[18:27] Speaker 2: our mouths like puffs of green smoke. And at that
[18:31] Speaker 2: point everything would get good. We'd get the pretty clothes,
[18:36] Speaker 2: we'd get the nice food, we'd get the good schools,
[18:41] Speaker 2: we'd get we'd get all the blank And this happened.
[18:46] Speaker 2: You know, if you were like me and you didn't
[18:48] Speaker 2: give up your soul, I didn't get the blink.
[18:52] Speaker 1: But boy, so you never breathed out your soul like
[18:56] Speaker 1: they were saying, right, No.
[18:57] Speaker 2: I think that as soon as I decided to live
[19:02] Speaker 2: and that I was on my own, when I was
[19:04] Speaker 2: being raped and abandoned by my father at six, that
[19:10] Speaker 2: that just set a wall in me and and I
[19:13] Speaker 2: never complied and and would never comply the same as
[19:19] Speaker 2: I never drank another bottle of Coca CoA ever. So
[19:26] Speaker 2: it just just blocked. So that blocking is part of
[19:32] Speaker 2: the induction. Because the division, and this is how they
[19:36] Speaker 2: control people, is you can compartmentalize. A child will take trauma,
[19:43] Speaker 2: and sexual abuse of the child is the worst human trauma,
[19:47] Speaker 2: and the loss of attachments, so attachment disorder, so I
[19:52] Speaker 2: lost both parents, I'd been sexually tortured, and I'd been
[20:01] Speaker 2: completely disassociated with the spinning of the wheel and other things.
[20:05] Speaker 2: I just remember the wheel, particularly because they did it
[20:10] Speaker 2: over and over and it was to separate me from
[20:15] Speaker 2: any value or anything I could identify or hold on to,
[20:20] Speaker 2: because there was nothing only green. So the green revolution,
[20:25] Speaker 2: the green it's not chlorophyll, has nothing to do with life.
[20:33] Speaker 2: It's death. To them, green is the color of your
[20:37] Speaker 2: soul when it leaves. And all of this about the
[20:42] Speaker 2: the chrome and the extraction of blood from terrorized children,
[20:48] Speaker 2: which they did to me for years. And one of
[20:52] Speaker 2: the illustrations I have, I have a CT of my
[20:55] Speaker 2: of my own face, a scan and the they would
[20:59] Speaker 2: always take blood from stick a canula up here and
[21:03] Speaker 2: take blood out of my nose and there's nothing there
[21:08] Speaker 2: and the CT scan this is empty. I've had reconstructive
[21:12] Speaker 2: surgery to keep my face from collapsing, but anyone can
[21:18] Speaker 2: see there's just a big hole there. I think you
[21:21] Speaker 2: could hear it my voice maybe. But so the torture,
[21:29] Speaker 2: the satanic ritual abuse, a lot of it took place
[21:32] Speaker 2: at by that time I was living in the Los
[21:37] Speaker 2: Angeles area. A lot of it took place at Disneyland.
[21:40] Speaker 2: Underneath Disneyland.
[21:42] Speaker 1: I've heard that before. That is crazy.
[21:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. I mean it was a perfect big space,
[21:52] Speaker 2: massive numbers of rooms and tunnels, and it's logical. I mean,
[21:56] Speaker 2: you can't have all the maintenance crews and everybody cruising
[21:59] Speaker 2: around through disney Land while they're running rides, so they're
[22:02] Speaker 2: all underneath, and then all night long you've got huge
[22:08] Speaker 2: cavernous meeting rooms and and whatever you want to build
[22:12] Speaker 2: under there. It's all hidden. So I was in several rituals,
[22:21] Speaker 2: even in the daytime, they would have us underneath, especially
[22:26] Speaker 2: when they were extracting something. And I can remember the
[22:31] Speaker 2: sound of It's a Small World that music over and
[22:35] Speaker 2: over over and over and over. Could hear it in
[22:38] Speaker 2: the distance, and oh, I hate that.
[22:43] Speaker 1: There are some that have argued that their use of
[22:48] Speaker 1: Satanic ritual abuse, these dark occult practices is purely theatric
[22:55] Speaker 1: to instill fear in the person. But from everything I
[22:59] Speaker 1: understand and and everything I've heard, it seems that they
[23:02] Speaker 1: really believe in these practices, and they really believe in
[23:08] Speaker 1: their Satanic ideologies. Would you say that's accurate?
[23:13] Speaker 2: Oh yes, absolutely. And you look at how this whole
[23:18] Speaker 2: process started in Germany. The Nazis had an entire division
[23:23] Speaker 2: started in nineteen thirty the aber Vendez that what I
[23:26] Speaker 2: think what it's called, that went around all around the
[23:31] Speaker 2: world seeking out mystical charms, mystical practices, spells, magicians that
[23:39] Speaker 2: they brought back to Germany. I mean, it really was
[23:43] Speaker 2: Raiders of the Lost arc Is based on this reality
[23:47] Speaker 2: that the Germans did this, and they believed in the
[23:49] Speaker 2: magical properties of all these things, and like the anti
[23:52] Speaker 2: gravity properties, and they were looking for and they were
[23:58] Speaker 2: looking for the genes, where the course genes hadn't been
[24:02] Speaker 2: described by that time. But the Ubermensch they were trying
[24:08] Speaker 2: to create God and then to defeat God, so they
[24:11] Speaker 2: had to basically defeat Christianity. And and you know, look
[24:17] Speaker 2: what they're still doing. You've got the Hadron Collider in Geneva,
[24:21] Speaker 2: which is bent on creating the God particle. What's the
[24:25] Speaker 2: God particle? The God is the replacement of the human soul,
[24:29] Speaker 2: because the human soul is your connection to the divine
[24:33] Speaker 2: and that makes human beings free thinkers, decision makers, inventors, creators, artists,
[24:45] Speaker 2: real musicians instead of just technocratic musicians, composers, the creative
[24:52] Speaker 2: spark They couldn't recreate the human soul. They wanted our souls.
[24:59] Speaker 2: And on that side of it, I don't know because
[25:03] Speaker 2: they never told me. But on my side of it,
[25:05] Speaker 2: as a child, they were killing children to get their souls.
[25:10] Speaker 2: In the process of extracting their souls, a lot of
[25:12] Speaker 2: children died, and in the Satanic rituals. I did describe
[25:19] Speaker 2: one saturnalia in Sparky, and I don't go into a
[25:22] Speaker 2: lot of detail because I don't want anybody to try
[25:25] Speaker 2: to replicate this, you know, because I think they will
[25:29] Speaker 2: try and replicate it, like they'll think it's some kind
[25:31] Speaker 2: of joke or something. And it may not be what
[25:37] Speaker 2: they believe it is, but it's still dangerous and it's
[25:42] Speaker 2: still cruel, and it shouldn't be in the human repertoire.
[25:47] Speaker 2: It shouldn't be. All of this should never have happened.
[25:51] Speaker 1: As far as some of the rituals and experiments and
[25:58] Speaker 1: programs that they were put you through. In your talking points,
[26:01] Speaker 1: you mentioned seduction, physics, areosophy, cybernetics, and genocide. Can we
[26:10] Speaker 1: break those down and tell us a little bit more
[26:13] Speaker 1: about what was involved with each of these.
[26:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was like the different course material,
[26:21] Speaker 2: you know, it was like it's like they had a
[26:24] Speaker 2: regular curriculum, And I think each of the different annexes
[26:29] Speaker 2: I went to had a different curriculum focus had a
[26:33] Speaker 2: different doctor Green specifically the sex Magic, which I'm talking
[26:41] Speaker 2: about on the title of the book. The reason I
[26:44] Speaker 2: put that on the title is I didn't want anybody
[26:46] Speaker 2: to mistake this as a book for children. This is
[26:49] Speaker 2: not a book for children. This is a book for
[26:51] Speaker 2: adults about children, because adults have to fix this. Children
[26:56] Speaker 2: are victimized by this. So but sex Man, that's Alistair
[27:01] Speaker 2: Crowley's invention. It's not really his invention. That came out
[27:06] Speaker 2: of the whole German research and all that the idea
[27:10] Speaker 2: that casting spells into another person that are sexual in nature.
[27:16] Speaker 2: So I do talk about in Sparky that my first
[27:23] Speaker 2: experience was sex Magic as about seven or eight, and
[27:28] Speaker 2: I woke up in one of these annexes. Drugs. Everything
[27:32] Speaker 2: is drugs. Joan Biez wrote a song called play It Backwards,
[27:36] Speaker 2: and that's the best description of what happened to us
[27:38] Speaker 2: over and over and over that I've ever heard. Because
[27:43] Speaker 2: every night begins with a pop of skin and a
[27:45] Speaker 2: sudden rush of stars, and she's describing children being abused
[27:53] Speaker 2: in Satanic rituals. And so I woke up in Actually,
[28:00] Speaker 2: we were I don't know where we were in one
[28:02] Speaker 2: of the annexes, and I had a pretty dress on,
[28:06] Speaker 2: which was unusual, and they took us in a bus
[28:11] Speaker 2: to Disneyland. This was in the daytime, so this was
[28:14] Speaker 2: Disneyland in California, so I think it must have been
[28:17] Speaker 2: about nineteen fifty six nineteen fifty seven, and I was
[28:22] Speaker 2: dropped off at Frontierland. They didn't feed me anything, so
[28:25] Speaker 2: I hadn't had dinner the night before, I hadn't had breakfast.
[28:29] Speaker 2: And if you want to control kids, you control them
[28:31] Speaker 2: with food. And all had given us were these drugged
[28:37] Speaker 2: up jelly beans that made us kind of hyper. And
[28:41] Speaker 2: so my task was to find a daddy. If I
[28:46] Speaker 2: wanted to eat, I needed to find a daddy who
[28:50] Speaker 2: would buy me breakfast at the Golden Nugget Cafe and
[28:57] Speaker 2: then take me. Then I would get the daddy to
[28:59] Speaker 2: take me on the Wild Toad Ride. And the reason
[29:03] Speaker 2: for that was there's a section of the ride where
[29:07] Speaker 2: it looks like you're in the dark on a railroad
[29:09] Speaker 2: track and suddenly a light starts coming at you like
[29:11] Speaker 2: a train, and it gets closer and closer and closer,
[29:14] Speaker 2: and then it disappears. But what people didn't know is
[29:17] Speaker 2: there's a camera behind it. And so my job was
[29:20] Speaker 2: to get the daddy's hands all over me in front
[29:24] Speaker 2: of the camera.
[29:26] Speaker 1: Wow.
[29:27] Speaker 2: And I did that after breakfast, and then I was
[29:32] Speaker 2: still left there. So I did it again for lunch
[29:37] Speaker 2: and got two daddies thoroughly compromised. And then they took
[29:43] Speaker 2: us back on the bus and only half the kids
[29:45] Speaker 2: went back. And the implication was, well, they you know,
[29:50] Speaker 2: they killed the other half. That's what we were we
[29:56] Speaker 2: were told. So that's how we were terrorized. And so
[30:02] Speaker 2: that that that was set. The magic that's projecting sexuality
[30:06] Speaker 2: into someone else to get them to do something, and
[30:10] Speaker 2: and the person projecting has no it's it's a weapon.
[30:14] Speaker 2: It's it's not sexuality at all. What is ariosophy, Well,
[30:23] Speaker 2: ariosophy is the search for the uber minch. They're looking
[30:27] Speaker 2: for the best of the best, the breeding programs I
[30:30] Speaker 2: see the Aryan race.
[30:34] Speaker 1: And as far as cybernetics, what were you learning in
[30:39] Speaker 1: that course.
[30:41] Speaker 2: Well, cybernetics, that that was the that's back when computers
[30:46] Speaker 2: were still called Turing machines and cybernetics. The way we
[30:51] Speaker 2: were taught was that they were they were looking to
[30:56] Speaker 2: combine the Turing, the power of the Turing machine with
[30:59] Speaker 2: the hue human mind, so that that human humans become computers.
[31:06] Speaker 2: And uh so, Yeah, and they've continued with that, and
[31:12] Speaker 2: and the outgrowth of that is is AI. And by
[31:19] Speaker 2: the time I was in high school, I was writing
[31:24] Speaker 2: papers about cybernetics and Turing machines and and all these things.
[31:29] Speaker 2: And and the student sitting next to me alphabetically in
[31:33] Speaker 2: our class was William Hewlett of Hewlett Packard. Yeah. So,
[31:39] Speaker 2: so the the professors read my papers, which were all
[31:43] Speaker 2: about cybernetics that I shouldn't have known anything about, and
[31:48] Speaker 2: they had me meet with Bill Hewlett's father, who was
[31:52] Speaker 2: the the inventor of the ascilloscope, And so they had
[31:58] Speaker 2: me talking to him, who affirmed that, yes, what I
[32:02] Speaker 2: was saying was correct. And what I couldn't tell them
[32:05] Speaker 2: because I couldn't I really couldn't remember because every time
[32:08] Speaker 2: I left the annex, whatever happened, there was a complete blank.
[32:14] Speaker 2: But the knowledge went with me, and I couldn't tell
[32:17] Speaker 2: them how I knew these things, and they got very
[32:23] Speaker 2: they turned me over to Stanford Research Institute. I was
[32:26] Speaker 2: in Palo Alto at that time.
[32:27] Speaker 1: Going back to what you were saying about how they
[32:31] Speaker 1: were attempting to take your souls. What was the end
[32:36] Speaker 1: goal of this? Was this so that they could replace
[32:40] Speaker 1: it with a demonic entity or some alternate personality.
[32:47] Speaker 2: I'm sure that some of that was it. I think
[32:49] Speaker 2: the evidence that you can see of the goats, you know,
[32:55] Speaker 2: the baphomets, the godlike humans who are running the kun
[33:00] Speaker 2: that have no souls, they're pretty easy to pick out
[33:03] Speaker 2: at these for me, And yeah, they were rewarded. And
[33:08] Speaker 2: in that respect it it was the people who were
[33:12] Speaker 2: willing to give up their souls were the ones that
[33:15] Speaker 2: were chosen for the top of the music industry, the
[33:18] Speaker 2: top of the politics in every respect. And one example
[33:30] Speaker 2: as to Okay, so I've written books, I've lectured, I've
[33:35] Speaker 2: done all these things, and I am not in Wikipedia.
[33:39] Speaker 2: And I was informed by a delegation when I was
[33:44] Speaker 2: working in Moscow. I had an office in Moscow for
[33:46] Speaker 2: years doing counter trafficking work, and and I had a
[33:51] Speaker 2: delegation come from the MacArthur Foundation who met with me
[33:54] Speaker 2: who said, you know, helping children is great, but you
[33:59] Speaker 2: know you'll never get it to Wikipedia. And I thought,
[34:02] Speaker 2: I really don't care, but like, why are you here
[34:08] Speaker 2: telling me this? And at that time Wikipedia was this
[34:13] Speaker 2: would have been the mid two thousands, so it was
[34:15] Speaker 2: really just getting going. And they said, well, we will
[34:18] Speaker 2: punish you. You will never be in Wikipedia. Okay. Wow.
[34:25] Speaker 1: Along the same lines of them taking souls, do you
[34:29] Speaker 1: know what their intention was with the soul after they
[34:33] Speaker 1: had extracted it.
[34:35] Speaker 2: They were creating. They wanted to create and an army
[34:40] Speaker 2: that would defeat God. So what they did with the souls,
[34:46] Speaker 2: you can tell in Hollywood what they're doing with the souls.
[34:48] Speaker 2: They're trying to create immortality. They're taking the chrome and
[34:52] Speaker 2: it does it does have I mean it's been known
[34:56] Speaker 2: for a thousand years. You drink baby blood and it
[34:59] Speaker 2: has read you viating properties and.
[35:02] Speaker 1: You're referring to adrenochrome.
[35:04] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so this is a The chrome is something
[35:12] Speaker 2: you can buy on the dark web by the bile.
[35:16] Speaker 2: You know it's it's it is so commonly produced. And
[35:21] Speaker 2: I think that's what's happening to the children that are
[35:23] Speaker 2: being smuggled across the border. By the hundreds of thousands.
[35:28] Speaker 2: And and the reason that Americans are just sort of
[35:31] Speaker 2: dead to this happening is the effectiveness of the MK
[35:37] Speaker 2: Ultra program starting in the fifties, which for the for
[35:41] Speaker 2: the for the goats, it was the reward, the power,
[35:45] Speaker 2: the uber menche, the defeat of God, the defeat of Christianity,
[35:50] Speaker 2: the end of the moral human being. And for the
[35:54] Speaker 2: sheep it was death, destruction, disease. So you've got the
[36:02] Speaker 2: mind control on two levels. And so the souls are
[36:07] Speaker 2: taken from the sheep and sold on the dark web
[36:13] Speaker 2: for profits or and the goats by the chrome and
[36:22] Speaker 2: get the bling. So it's been successful. That's that's what
[36:28] Speaker 2: I'm trying to say here. They might not have wiped
[36:30] Speaker 2: out the Black race by nineteen eighty two, but in
[36:34] Speaker 2: other respects they've been successful. Because you've got forty percent
[36:38] Speaker 2: of the American population is on Prozac, which is a
[36:42] Speaker 2: derivative that comes right out of the MK Ultra program,
[36:45] Speaker 2: and it's meant to dumb everybody down. And AI is
[36:48] Speaker 2: the ultimate computer Prozac.
[36:52] Speaker 1: Did they at all attempt to program you with alternate personalities?
[36:58] Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, and it worked. I had I had by
[37:03] Speaker 2: the time I escaped when I was seventeen years old.
[37:06] Speaker 2: I had so many blocks and so many such It's
[37:11] Speaker 2: it's like having a mind. That's that is, instead of
[37:16] Speaker 2: being a free flowing organism, it's a series of rooms,
[37:22] Speaker 2: and to get from one time to another, you have
[37:25] Speaker 2: to like go out, find the right door, go back in.
[37:29] Speaker 2: It's arduous, and that's true of the personalities that you are.
[37:35] Speaker 2: And for each time we moved. While I was growing
[37:38] Speaker 2: up to a new annex, a new school, a new place,
[37:41] Speaker 2: I became a different a different character, a different person
[37:47] Speaker 2: as determined by the annexes. Until I was ten and
[37:52] Speaker 2: I declared my own independence and became Sparky, and Sparky
[37:58] Speaker 2: as a character, I created it. And it again like
[38:02] Speaker 2: when I was six and I had to make the
[38:04] Speaker 2: decision do I live and fight or do I just
[38:08] Speaker 2: you know, give it up. Sparky was the same thing.
[38:13] Speaker 2: I was so beaten down and so abused and just demoralized.
[38:19] Speaker 2: And I had to make the decision at that point
[38:23] Speaker 2: because I was starting to go into puberty, because girls
[38:27] Speaker 2: that are abused like that go through puberty early. And
[38:32] Speaker 2: I decided to go for it, and I went for
[38:36] Speaker 2: it by becoming by creating a character that I really admired.
[38:42] Speaker 2: So it's it's a childish character because totally unsophisticated. But
[38:48] Speaker 2: I wanted to be a warrior. I wanted to be
[38:50] Speaker 2: a fighter. I wanted to have a pleated skirt, I
[38:54] Speaker 2: wanted shiny loafers, I wanted you know, everything I wanted
[39:00] Speaker 2: to be was embodied in Sparky. And then really, for
[39:05] Speaker 2: the rest of my life, I've worked on becoming the
[39:09] Speaker 2: character I created. Wow, I don't know if other people
[39:14] Speaker 2: have done this, but it worked. I am Sparky. But
[39:19] Speaker 2: then you could say, Okay, that's who you've been all along.
[39:24] Speaker 2: But when your mind is divided up like that, I
[39:26] Speaker 2: can't get from one section to another. There's no continuity.
[39:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably impossible for most people to imagine having
[39:37] Speaker 1: to navigate through that. Let's get to your meeting with
[39:42] Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. When did this happen and how did it
[39:45] Speaker 1: come about?
[39:47] Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I want to say that people
[39:51] Speaker 2: talk about the mk ltra ended in nineteen seventy six
[39:55] Speaker 2: and nonsense. The whole Epstein, the whole Epstein phenomenon and
[40:03] Speaker 2: everything that's happening there is a continuation of the same programs,
[40:08] Speaker 2: same people, the CIA did it. And in nineteen eighty
[40:14] Speaker 2: eight is when I met Jeffrey Epstein. And at that
[40:17] Speaker 2: time I had escaped from MK Ultra. In nineteen sixty six,
[40:22] Speaker 2: I'd escaped and gotten to Seattle and had managed to
[40:27] Speaker 2: completely slice away every part of me from the past.
[40:34] Speaker 1: And this how did you manage to escape? Let's get
[40:36] Speaker 1: to that first.
[40:38] Speaker 2: Okay, I was from sixty one to sixty six. I
[40:43] Speaker 2: was being groomed at Fort Point in San Francisco, which
[40:48] Speaker 2: is the at the Presidio. It's the point that points
[40:52] Speaker 2: underneath the Golden gate Bridge. It's called Fort Point. And
[40:54] Speaker 2: that was the head of Army's psychological war departments. And
[41:00] Speaker 2: we were in there and what we were doing was
[41:03] Speaker 2: writing the Satanic Bible by doing transdimensional travel, uh and
[41:09] Speaker 2: time travel. And that's where uh Anton LaVey was there.
[41:17] Speaker 2: Michael Aquino was my classmate. Charles Manson was the one
[41:21] Speaker 2: that drove us everywhere. And uh, what else were we doing? Oh?
[41:29] Speaker 2: It was the it was the and for me it
[41:32] Speaker 2: was I was in the music program, which we were
[41:35] Speaker 2: developing New Age music and so that it hadn't come
[41:40] Speaker 2: out yet. It was they were experimenting with frequencies and
[41:45] Speaker 2: with responses elicited by music, emotional responses and four point
[41:53] Speaker 2: if you look at it, we were right in the
[41:56] Speaker 2: tip of Fort Point and one one window faced San
[42:00] Speaker 2: Francisco Bay, the other faced the Pacific Ocean, and the
[42:05] Speaker 2: point was right at the point where the strongest current
[42:11] Speaker 2: in the world goes through the Golden Gate Bridge there.
[42:15] Speaker 1: I hate to have you jump around, but since you
[42:18] Speaker 1: mentioned interdimensional travel and time travel, could you explain a
[42:24] Speaker 1: little bit more about what you were doing. Is this
[42:28] Speaker 1: some kind of out of body experience remote viewing something
[42:32] Speaker 1: along those lines.
[42:33] Speaker 2: Yes, and it's something I had been doing since I
[42:36] Speaker 2: was seven six or seven years old, when they would
[42:41] Speaker 2: take groups of us when I was living in Laguna
[42:44] Speaker 2: Beach in California. They would take groups of kids to
[42:51] Speaker 2: Tijuana to the Autonomous University of Mexico, which at that
[42:56] Speaker 2: point was an old church and a bunch of trade
[43:00] Speaker 2: is on a beach surrounded by orphanages, so they had
[43:04] Speaker 2: sort of limitless access to children, and on that beach,
[43:12] Speaker 2: the Governor of California would come down, Senator Alan Cranston,
[43:18] Speaker 2: who later became my handler at Stanford Research Institute, and
[43:21] Speaker 2: then at Fort Point came down and Cranston, I don't
[43:29] Speaker 2: know if you're familiar with who he is or was,
[43:32] Speaker 2: but he became a California senator and then ran for president.
[43:36] Speaker 2: But he'd been Hitler's translator, so he had translated mine comp.
[43:41] Speaker 2: This is the connection. This is how I know about
[43:45] Speaker 2: Minecomp is that in nineteen thirty five he'd been a student,
[43:51] Speaker 2: a lingual student in Heidelberg, Germany, and he had worked
[43:57] Speaker 2: with Hitler to translate Minecomp into English. And what he
[44:03] Speaker 2: did was he took a two hundred and seventy word
[44:06] Speaker 2: volume which included all the research of the Nazis who'd
[44:11] Speaker 2: collected all this magical material and had many annexes in
[44:16] Speaker 2: the book, and he translated into sort of a pop
[44:20] Speaker 2: culture ninety thousand word book in English that he immediately
[44:25] Speaker 2: turned over to Stackpole Publishing and they published it everywhere,
[44:29] Speaker 2: so without Hitler ever seeing it. So when Hitler finally
[44:34] Speaker 2: saw it, it had nothing to do with anything he'd
[44:38] Speaker 2: actually said and didn't include any of the research. And
[44:43] Speaker 2: Hitler sued Cranston in an American court for fraud and won. However,
[44:54] Speaker 2: though in the war broke out and we have not
[44:57] Speaker 2: seen a copy of Mind komf other than what Cranston translated.
[45:01] Speaker 2: Since then you can't get it. But I thought because
[45:07] Speaker 2: Cranston had it, and he had it with him in
[45:10] Speaker 2: Mexico when he was using it to train us to
[45:15] Speaker 2: do the transdimensional travel. At that point, I was a
[45:21] Speaker 2: little kid, and they kept us like penned up on
[45:24] Speaker 2: a beach, and if we wanted to eat and we
[45:29] Speaker 2: wanted water, we'd have to participate in these these ghastly
[45:34] Speaker 2: rituals and transdimensional and time travel for them. And that
[45:41] Speaker 2: meant and that that place is one of the places
[45:44] Speaker 2: where all kinds of unexplained UFOs are spotted regularly. I mean,
[45:50] Speaker 2: you can stand there and watch these things. But we
[45:54] Speaker 2: were supposed to go and make communication, and that involved
[45:59] Speaker 2: sending you or your energetic body out of your physical body,
[46:04] Speaker 2: which is what you do with the association. And that's
[46:07] Speaker 2: also the part a lot of the process of the
[46:11] Speaker 2: dissociative identity blocking that you do in your brain.
[46:16] Speaker 1: There having you go on missions or collect information.
[46:21] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, go on missions, collect information, bring back entities,
[46:28] Speaker 2: and then we would get food.
[46:31] Speaker 1: Wow.
[46:32] Speaker 2: And I would say half the children died in the process,
[46:36] Speaker 2: extremely dangerous, and I nearly died a couple of times
[46:41] Speaker 2: not getting back fast enough. It's terribly difficult on your body.
[46:48] Speaker 2: And plus they're taking blood out all the time too.
[46:51] Speaker 2: So yeah, so that went on. That went on, and
[46:56] Speaker 2: I guess I was good enough at it that I
[46:58] Speaker 2: graduated to Fort Points and the music industry so that
[47:02] Speaker 2: they wanted me. I still hadn't given up my soul,
[47:05] Speaker 2: but I was in the I was still sort of
[47:08] Speaker 2: a star performer. I would do anything for food and
[47:12] Speaker 2: and and then because of my family's connection to the
[47:17] Speaker 2: music business, they were going to make me a superstar
[47:24] Speaker 2: new age performer. And again it was another time when
[47:30] Speaker 2: I ran up again said okay, if I go along
[47:33] Speaker 2: with the program, this is my life. This is yeah.
[47:37] Speaker 2: I get the blaying, I get the diamonds, I get
[47:39] Speaker 2: the car I get the big jumping crowds. And is
[47:44] Speaker 2: that important to me? And I decided I took one
[47:50] Speaker 2: trip where I went way too far and and this
[47:55] Speaker 2: is this is during the writing of the Satanic Bible,
[47:58] Speaker 2: and this was the beginning the Temple of Set and
[48:04] Speaker 2: we were doing the same thing. But of course I
[48:06] Speaker 2: was ten years older and much more sophisticated, and I
[48:09] Speaker 2: was a good writer and a protege musician at that point,
[48:15] Speaker 2: and so I could come back with all kinds of
[48:18] Speaker 2: things again, drugs and hype and all this stuff. So
[48:22] Speaker 2: you know, is there any value to any of this? No,
[48:25] Speaker 2: I don't think so. But I could create whatever they
[48:30] Speaker 2: wanted me to create, and for food. And another thing
[48:37] Speaker 2: they did is every place we went, they took our shoes,
[48:41] Speaker 2: so if you tried to get away, you couldn't. You couldn't.
[48:47] Speaker 2: One of the things I remembered when I had forgotten
[48:49] Speaker 2: everything else, I could remember trying to walk across Golden
[48:53] Speaker 2: Gate Bridge barefoot. Several times I would get out and
[48:57] Speaker 2: try to escape, and that was the way to go,
[48:59] Speaker 2: and you couldn't do it. You couldn't.
[49:03] Speaker 1: So getting back to that your actual escape.
[49:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. They would take us from four point, drive
[49:10] Speaker 2: us down to Monterey to one at that point was
[49:13] Speaker 2: called Murphy Hot Springs, and it was Charles Manson that
[49:19] Speaker 2: always drove the van because he'd bring those crazy Yeah.
[49:23] Speaker 2: He was a nerd. He was a short haired, clean
[49:26] Speaker 2: shaven nerd and a very good musician, and he was
[49:30] Speaker 2: sort of their reliable go to guy. But his weakness
[49:34] Speaker 2: was the drugs. He would take drugs. He would I mean,
[49:41] Speaker 2: if I had extra drugs, I didn't want to take them,
[49:43] Speaker 2: I'd give them to him. He would he would take them,
[49:47] Speaker 2: so he drove us down there, and then he would
[49:50] Speaker 2: do all the setup. So Murphy Hot Springs is now Esslon,
[49:54] Speaker 2: which is this super swanky woo woo retreat SPRA, which
[50:03] Speaker 2: I would never go to. I mean, I'm not dissing
[50:06] Speaker 2: Esslain was saying personally having been there when it was
[50:09] Speaker 2: Murphy Hot Springs and experiences I had there because it
[50:13] Speaker 2: was a natural hot springs in a cornfield and it
[50:17] Speaker 2: had a barn, and they would fly record execs down
[50:21] Speaker 2: there to listen to their new bands, and the studio
[50:27] Speaker 2: musicians would be Charles Manson and a bunch of other
[50:31] Speaker 2: guys who you'd recognize. And then I would be like
[50:36] Speaker 2: in the backup singers, but the girls would be would
[50:39] Speaker 2: be dressed and practically nothing, with some flowers in our
[50:42] Speaker 2: hair and bare feet, and they'd bring the record execs
[50:46] Speaker 2: down in helicopters and play the music, which often was
[50:53] Speaker 2: not you know, I didn't think it was particularly good,
[50:57] Speaker 2: but it didn't matter because we'd be getting the execs
[51:02] Speaker 2: totally high on LSD. And then our job was to
[51:06] Speaker 2: get them naked on the ground and rolling around with
[51:09] Speaker 2: us and compromised, completely compromised. And then the other guy
[51:13] Speaker 2: that was there all the time was Phil Spector, and
[51:16] Speaker 2: he he would make the deals. Yeah and wow, he
[51:23] Speaker 2: wasn't the only one. I'm just telling you the ones
[51:25] Speaker 2: that I knew saw the most. And so it was
[51:32] Speaker 2: during a break during one of these sessions and I
[51:35] Speaker 2: was outside barefoot, had skimpy close clothes, no purse, no idea, nothing,
[51:42] Speaker 2: and my handler came through the barbed wire fence. He
[51:47] Speaker 2: had a clicker and the gate open. He came in
[51:50] Speaker 2: in his little red convertible. He'd been selling LSD all
[51:55] Speaker 2: over Monterey for the weekend and he came in and
[52:00] Speaker 2: passed out. So there was a car with an engine running,
[52:05] Speaker 2: and I couldn't get him out of it. He is
[52:07] Speaker 2: too big, and there was the clicker. So I had
[52:12] Speaker 2: got in the car, took the clicker and drove north.
[52:16] Speaker 2: Wow yep, just kept going, threw the drugs out of
[52:20] Speaker 2: the car, eventually got him out of the car. Had
[52:24] Speaker 2: no money, no driver's license, no shoes, no underpants. I mean,
[52:28] Speaker 2: it was just nothing. And when I stopped because I
[52:33] Speaker 2: ran out of gas, I discovered he had a huge
[52:37] Speaker 2: wad of twenty dollars bills in the glove box because
[52:40] Speaker 2: he'd been selling all these drugs. And the car was
[52:43] Speaker 2: full of green stamps. And I don't know if you
[52:46] Speaker 2: know what green stamps are, but you used to get
[52:50] Speaker 2: them for everything you bought in California. And so I
[52:53] Speaker 2: got everything I needed for college. And I'd gotten myself
[52:58] Speaker 2: into the University of Washington with the help of teachers
[53:01] Speaker 2: who knew there was something terribly wrong in my world,
[53:06] Speaker 2: and they helped me. They helped me get away, but
[53:11] Speaker 2: I had to escape. I still had to escape and
[53:14] Speaker 2: get out of there. And then God gave me the
[53:17] Speaker 2: water bills and the and the green stamps. I mean
[53:20] Speaker 2: that was if i'd been there, he'd woken up, I
[53:26] Speaker 2: had no way of getting out. It would have killed me.
[53:30] Speaker 2: So yeah, that's uh. And and then and then from there,
[53:36] Speaker 2: and from there it was another another one of those
[53:39] Speaker 2: decision moments, you know, do I give up and let
[53:43] Speaker 2: him kill me, or do I get keep trying? Do
[53:46] Speaker 2: I keep keep going? And going meant cutting everything out
[53:51] Speaker 2: of my memory, everything, which meant cutting out the music business,
[53:58] Speaker 2: all the songs I wrote, music, I played music, had
[54:02] Speaker 2: been my entire life, and I knew I had to
[54:05] Speaker 2: give it up because my programming was all involved with
[54:08] Speaker 2: music and frequencies and vibration, and I knew I was
[54:12] Speaker 2: susceptible and could be triggered and used.
[54:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, did they try and go looking for you after
[54:19] Speaker 1: your escape?
[54:21] Speaker 2: Well I didn't. I would have said no up until
[54:26] Speaker 2: things started happening like Epsteine appeared and other situations where
[54:32] Speaker 2: they seemed to think I knew things that I didn't know,
[54:37] Speaker 2: But I would have known if I hadn't blocked them
[54:39] Speaker 2: out entirely. I think I was surrounded by people from
[54:49] Speaker 2: that MILIU, but honestly, I didn't see them, I didn't
[54:52] Speaker 2: hear them. I didn't respond because I'd completely shut down
[54:56] Speaker 2: the whole music side of my brain. I had a
[55:00] Speaker 2: letter of introduction to the head of department Apartment of
[55:04] Speaker 2: Music in Seattle Symphony, and I tore it up. I
[55:11] Speaker 2: never played it again. I never played music. I didn't
[55:13] Speaker 2: listened to music. I shut it out. And I didn't
[55:17] Speaker 2: know if I could survive doing that because that was
[55:19] Speaker 2: my that was my life. Yeah, but I could. It
[55:25] Speaker 2: turned out. I then went completely into science and studied
[55:32] Speaker 2: nothing but science. Mathematics, had no particularly background in it,
[55:36] Speaker 2: but I went for it. And I saw a picture
[55:39] Speaker 2: of a doctor medical student in the student catalog, and
[55:43] Speaker 2: I thought, I'll do that's that's as far from my
[55:48] Speaker 2: past as I can get.
[55:51] Speaker 1: So what led up to the meeting with Epstein.
[55:55] Speaker 2: Well, I was. I graduated from medical school, had a
[56:01] Speaker 2: successful I became a radiologist. I got board certified and
[56:09] Speaker 2: radiation physics and radiation biology and became part of the
[56:13] Speaker 2: research group for ultrasound. So I developed a series of procedures.
[56:20] Speaker 2: I've got some patents and articles, and I had a
[56:26] Speaker 2: research company, a small research company at that time, and
[56:30] Speaker 2: a very active medical practice in Seattle. And I was
[56:34] Speaker 2: an assistant professor at the University of Washington. So I
[56:40] Speaker 2: was an expert in the development of analog to digital
[56:47] Speaker 2: and actually we've been doing that and earlier at port
[56:50] Speaker 2: point in the music I'd forgotten that and then rediscovered
[56:53] Speaker 2: it and used it an ultrasound. So I was going
[57:00] Speaker 2: through a divorce at that time. It was a very
[57:03] Speaker 2: stressful time, and a friend of mine invited me to
[57:05] Speaker 2: come to Friday Harbor, which was in the San Juan
[57:09] Speaker 2: Islands off the coast of Washington State. Beautiful place, and
[57:17] Speaker 2: she invited me to stay at her home, and so
[57:18] Speaker 2: I went there for a quiet weekend. And she said, oh, well,
[57:23] Speaker 2: the chief, the chief of police of Friday Harbor, has
[57:27] Speaker 2: written a book and he's having a book party to
[57:29] Speaker 2: introduce it to agents. And she made it sound like this.
[57:32] Speaker 2: It was this big party, and so she was going
[57:37] Speaker 2: and she wanted me to go with her. So I thought, okay,
[57:40] Speaker 2: go have some more dervs, and so I went with her.
[57:44] Speaker 2: He drove us, the chief of police drove us to
[57:46] Speaker 2: this beautiful house overlooking the Puget Sound. I mean, it
[57:51] Speaker 2: was just gorgeous. It was like three stories of glass.
[57:55] Speaker 2: It was the most amazing house I've ever seen. And
[58:00] Speaker 2: so we went in and it was not at all
[58:04] Speaker 2: what I expected. I expected a party. There was food
[58:09] Speaker 2: and drinks, but then there were only men. So it
[58:14] Speaker 2: was kind of all my long hidden danger. Signals were
[58:21] Speaker 2: going off, and out of the window I could see
[58:25] Speaker 2: that the seaplanes were landing in the little bay down below,
[58:32] Speaker 2: the down below the glass house, and the guys were
[58:36] Speaker 2: coming in and you could tell. In nineteen eighty eight,
[58:39] Speaker 2: this was the Iran contract era. This is when the
[58:42] Speaker 2: CIA was shipping trading guns for drugs. It was it Nicaragua, Nicaragua,
[58:51] Speaker 2: and they were all flown back and forth by seaplane
[58:55] Speaker 2: and the yeah, and they used to hang out in Seattle.
[59:00] Speaker 2: There's still a lot of them there. They were sort
[59:04] Speaker 2: of like the legend, the local legends. Anyway, they they
[59:08] Speaker 2: started coming into the house. So these guys coming in
[59:11] Speaker 2: in their flight jackets, and two of them came over
[59:14] Speaker 2: and started talking to me, And it was Jeffrey Epstein
[59:17] Speaker 2: and and I think his brother Mark. They looked alike.
[59:22] Speaker 2: I think they were brothers. And they started talking to me,
[59:28] Speaker 2: and they wanted to take me on a tour of
[59:30] Speaker 2: the house, and that would have meant leaving the group.
[59:35] Speaker 2: And I wasn't going to leave the group. And the
[59:39] Speaker 2: only other woman there was my little eighty year old friend.
[59:42] Speaker 2: It was about five feet tall, and and I was
[59:47] Speaker 2: not leaving her side. And so, but they started talking
[59:52] Speaker 2: about how how this group, and it was he was
[59:55] Speaker 2: referring to all the guys in this room were investing
[59:59] Speaker 2: in Ians in the Caribbean and they wanted to build
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: a major five star luxury resort for heads of state,
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: and that they would bring them there from all over
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: the world, where they could have all kinds of private
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: therapy and spa and massage whatever, and medical treatment. And
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: what they wanted me for was, since I'd written papers
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: on writing and converting analog to digital information, is could
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: I take that digital information and then transmit it as
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: secretly so that I could It would look like medical reports,
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: but inside that would be digital transmission signals. Now is
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: this something we were experimenting with at Ford Point? But
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: so here's me with my totally cut off to that memory.
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: But the information stays in your mind. So I still
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: had that. So I said, yeah, we can do that,
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: and I knew how to do that. And so then
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: he was like, oh, let me show you the bedrooms
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: and and here have a drinking heaven order. We brought
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: these from the Karagua. I was like, yeah, thank you.
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: And then they wanted to fly me home, and I
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: wasn't going anywhere, so I went went back with my
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: friend Ruth. Ruth bob Hills. She's quite a famous author,
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: but even even her in retrospect, it was her farm
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: where Charles Manson and his women Coterie, I forget the
[1:01:43] Speaker 2: name of the farm, but it belonged to her and
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: her husband and that's where they had been like hiding
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: out and living.
[1:01:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, so this may not have been just happenstances that
[1:02:00] Speaker 1: you were brought to this party. How did you meet
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: your friend?
[1:02:07] Speaker 2: Gee, I don't remember.
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: Okay, she is very interesting that she may have known
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: something the whole time.
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: I think I was surrounded by people that knew things
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: that I didn't, and even being invited to Russia, because
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: then two years later I was invited to Russia as
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: one of the first doctors to go into Russia after Perstryika,
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: so the Iron Curtain went down. I was in nineteen
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: eighty nine, nineteen ninety January, I was heading to Russia,
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: and I thought it was all entirely coincidence until twenty
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: years later when I was leaving and a general in
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: Russian military intelligence came up to me. He'd been helpful
[1:02:57] Speaker 2: to me all the time I was in Russia doing
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: helping rescue traffic children and bringing them home, not letting
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: them go overseas, bringing them home and keeping them in
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: their own country. That he told me that he had
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: known my uncle, the one who was the CIA founder.
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: They'd been together at Bletchley Park in England during the
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: war when they were decoding the Enigma machine, so he
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: knew that I was his niece and that so that
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: was a real wake up call when I left Russia
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: in twenty ten, and when I came back, I realized,
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: I really have to remember. I just can't go on
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: like this, stumbling into situations that you know, I needed
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: to remember, and to do that, I had to start
[1:04:00] Speaker 2: going back. And that's how I started doing and writing Sparky.
[1:04:04] Speaker 2: I went back to those places. I went back to
[1:04:07] Speaker 2: Imperial Beach, California, and smelled the smells and.
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: Let myself remember, in nineteen ninety you sold your medical practice,
[1:04:19] Speaker 1: moved to Moscow and founded the Angel Coalition, which is
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: an underground railroad that rescued thousands of traffic children. Tell
[1:04:30] Speaker 1: us a little bit about that. What got you involved
[1:04:32] Speaker 1: with that and how long did you do it?
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: I did it for twenty years. I started. I was
[1:04:41] Speaker 2: specifically invited there and that was the first time I
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: met the man that eventually identified himself as a friend
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: of my uncle, but at that time he didn't. But
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: he opened the doors for me to start working with
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: birthing houses and the maternity hospitals in Russia to help
[1:05:04] Speaker 2: reform them and they needed reform. I mean, they were
[1:05:08] Speaker 2: in terrible condition, and the whole system was a disaster.
[1:05:12] Speaker 2: I write about that in my book Angels over Moscow,
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: what it was like going there the first time, because
[1:05:18] Speaker 2: Russia is a different world now, and I don't think Russians.
[1:05:22] Speaker 2: Russians at this point don't even know this previous world existed,
[1:05:26] Speaker 2: but it's the one that I landed in in nineteen
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: ninety and when the country was completely falling apart. Soviet
[1:05:32] Speaker 2: Union then crashed in nineteen ninety two, and children were
[1:05:37] Speaker 2: being A third of children were abandoned at birth, and
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: it was because of the poverty and scams. Really they
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: would lie to women and say, okay, we'll help you here.
[1:05:50] Speaker 2: We'll take care of your baby till it's six months
[1:05:53] Speaker 2: old and you can come get it. And that's not
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: what happened. The baby's disappeared. Eventually I followed. I made
[1:06:05] Speaker 2: my way through the entire system and into the orphanage system,
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: and that's all and Angels over Moscow and and developed
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: a system for getting help to the orphanages, which were
[1:06:20] Speaker 2: scattered along the main rivers of Russia, often that they
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: didn't even have roads. Everything was by by river, and
[1:06:28] Speaker 2: there were eight hundred thousand children in those orphanages and
[1:06:32] Speaker 2: they were just being picked off and taken taken overseas.
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: I wanted to know what happened to them and what
[1:06:39] Speaker 2: was happening, and I was allowed access to places that
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: no foreigner had ever been in before. And I discovered
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: that one of from one of the orphanages, a group
[1:06:55] Speaker 2: of children that I knew very well, suddenly disappeared. And
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: this was on the northern border of Russia, in Karelia,
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: on the border with Finland, and I was able to follow.
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: They'd gotten on a bus and they were told they
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: were going for a holiday, and then they disappeared. And
[1:07:16] Speaker 2: it turned out that happened every summer. Fifteen kids would disappear,
[1:07:21] Speaker 2: girls on a bus and never come back. And the
[1:07:26] Speaker 2: other kids in the orphanage thought they'd gone off to
[1:07:28] Speaker 2: live great lives, you know, but they were the lucky ones.
[1:07:33] Speaker 2: And I was thinking, I don't think so. And so
[1:07:37] Speaker 2: I followed that bus up to Mermonsk, which is northern Russia.
[1:07:41] Speaker 2: And then you can take a bus from Rmonts to
[1:07:47] Speaker 2: northern Norway. It's a four hour drive with little Sammi
[1:07:53] Speaker 2: cigarette smugglers, but that's a different, a different, a different story.
[1:07:58] Speaker 2: But I was the largest on that place, and and
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: uh so I followed them to Kirkaness and went to
[1:08:06] Speaker 2: the police station and asked them, you know, do you
[1:08:11] Speaker 2: know about these kids? I know these kids are being
[1:08:13] Speaker 2: brought on this mobile brothel because they're using the bus
[1:08:17] Speaker 2: as a brothel all the way through Finland and up
[1:08:19] Speaker 2: into northern Sweden and then across to Norway. And they
[1:08:25] Speaker 2: said they didn't know about that. But but then they
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: showed me a drawer full of polaroid pictures of children's faces,
[1:08:36] Speaker 2: but the children were all dead, and and uh and
[1:08:41] Speaker 2: there there, here came another another block, because looking at
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: those children's faces brought it all back in a in
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: a way that I couldn't. I couldn't process them because
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: that I stupidly I could have taken all those pictures
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: and taken them back to Russia and had people identify
[1:09:02] Speaker 2: the kids and open cases, and but I didn't because
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: of my own block. And and when I came back
[1:09:10] Speaker 2: the next day, they denied having the pictures.
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: Of course, showing you was it a threat?
[1:09:17] Speaker 2: No? I think they were trying to be helpful. They
[1:09:19] Speaker 2: were saying, here, do you do you see your kids here?
[1:09:22] Speaker 2: You know, they wanted me to to pick them out,
[1:09:27] Speaker 2: and and I should have. I should have. I still
[1:09:33] Speaker 2: kicked myself, and you can just tell that. After that,
[1:09:36] Speaker 2: then the death sergeant reported this to this captain who said, okay,
[1:09:42] Speaker 2: who probably called NATO, and you know, but they did
[1:09:46] Speaker 2: admit that they found the dead children, and they assured
[1:09:52] Speaker 2: me that they were properly buried, and they tried to
[1:09:55] Speaker 2: identify them, but there was no identity, and but they
[1:10:00] Speaker 2: weren't going to give me the pictures. Later I got
[1:10:04] Speaker 2: international law enforcement involved, and uh, but by then trying
[1:10:09] Speaker 2: to open those cases was impossible. But we did open
[1:10:14] Speaker 2: hundreds of cases because from that point on I was
[1:10:18] Speaker 2: on a crusade, and I could remember that I was.
[1:10:26] Speaker 2: I felt responsible. If the saturnalia is in the in
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: the crazy sacrifices that they used to do, the child
[1:10:35] Speaker 2: on each side of me would die and I would
[1:10:39] Speaker 2: be hurt and abused and sexually tormented, but not killed.
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: And and I getting over the survivor's guilt of that
[1:10:52] Speaker 2: that I didn't die, and that I couldn't stop, I
[1:10:56] Speaker 2: couldn't save the kids made me into a maniacal activists
[1:11:06] Speaker 2: in terms of saving traffic children and through my prime years,
[1:11:15] Speaker 2: I mean when I was still strong enough to like
[1:11:18] Speaker 2: be out there fighting the fight and traveling from town
[1:11:20] Speaker 2: to town and visiting villagers and showing them films, and
[1:11:25] Speaker 2: educating the entire country of Russia as to what human
[1:11:29] Speaker 2: trafficking was. They didn't know, and working with police and
[1:11:35] Speaker 2: educating creating angos. We created hundreds of little tiny ENGOs.
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: This is back before the UN destroyed the whole NGOs system.
[1:11:46] Speaker 2: And you can thank Jeffrey Sachs for that, because the
[1:11:50] Speaker 2: UN created the Millennium Development Goals in the year two
[1:11:54] Speaker 2: thousand that destroyed the system. Anyway, that's it aside, But
[1:12:01] Speaker 2: we created networks that could identify our people could go
[1:12:07] Speaker 2: to these networks children that were missing and they could
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: report to us and because they usually know through which
[1:12:14] Speaker 2: country they'd gone to, and then we could contact police
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: in that country. We did a lot of training, international
[1:12:21] Speaker 2: training of police, and in that we partnered with Sweden,
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: with Great Britain, with American law enforcement. It was an
[1:12:34] Speaker 2: enormous program and as a result of the way we
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: developed the system of rescues, we could document having rescued
[1:12:43] Speaker 2: seventy thousand children over that twenty year period, and I
[1:12:50] Speaker 2: naively thought, Okay, we can come to the US and
[1:12:53] Speaker 2: do the same thing. But one thing we'd find out
[1:12:58] Speaker 2: during that process of rescuing all those children from the
[1:13:02] Speaker 2: former Soviet Union is that the three biggest receiving countries
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: where Germany which was no surprise, Israel and the USA. Wow.
[1:13:14] Speaker 2: And when I brought all this information to the US,
[1:13:17] Speaker 2: including half a million data points, information on where the
[1:13:21] Speaker 2: kids were coming from, where they went, that they came
[1:13:24] Speaker 2: to Brighton Beach and Virginia Beach, who got them, what
[1:13:28] Speaker 2: flights they were on, crickets? Nothing? And then I got
[1:13:34] Speaker 2: That's when I got informed that I would no longer
[1:13:37] Speaker 2: be in Wikipedia. And they put our project under the
[1:13:41] Speaker 2: International Organization of Migration, which is the largest human trafficker
[1:13:46] Speaker 2: on the planet. So they quashed us.
[1:13:50] Speaker 1: How all encompassing do you think this network is? How
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: much has it infiltrated all of our systems, government, corporations,
[1:13:59] Speaker 1: edgycation system Do you think that it has its tentacles
[1:14:05] Speaker 1: even down to small local level industries and governments.
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: Hi, it has to be very pervasive. But you're making
[1:14:19] Speaker 2: a really good point at the top. It's all pervasive.
[1:14:25] Speaker 2: You look at the Senior Executive Service, which is where
[1:14:29] Speaker 2: I am positive that in nineteen seventy six, after the
[1:14:33] Speaker 2: Church Commission uncover mk Ultra, then mk Ultra claimed they'd stopped,
[1:14:39] Speaker 2: They're not doing it anymore. They burned all their records.
[1:14:43] Speaker 2: But then in nineteen seventy eight, up pops the Senior
[1:14:46] Speaker 2: Executive Service and suddenly all these people are flooding into
[1:14:50] Speaker 2: this service, who then became the deep state. The Senior
[1:14:56] Speaker 2: Executive Service is the deep state. And these people Bray
[1:15:00] Speaker 2: got on their website that they controlled seventy six government
[1:15:03] Speaker 2: agencies and that means at all levels. And these people
[1:15:08] Speaker 2: are placed as corporate CEOs, so they're selected by someone
[1:15:12] Speaker 2: other than the corporation and they're put in place to
[1:15:15] Speaker 2: destroy it basically, So what are these crazy like this
[1:15:19] Speaker 2: crazy Jaguar thing? I mean, who came up with that idea?
[1:15:22] Speaker 2: It wasn't the company. It was a Senior Executive Service
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: or its equivalent in the Five Eyes. So yes, at
[1:15:33] Speaker 2: that level, it's all pervasive. In the education system, it's
[1:15:37] Speaker 2: become all pervasive, and that's where it's most dangerous right now.
[1:15:42] Speaker 2: And anybody that and when I was a child, they
[1:15:46] Speaker 2: were complaining that they weren't able to access all the schools,
[1:15:50] Speaker 2: and that they they they still had social workers that
[1:15:55] Speaker 2: had the power to disrupt what they were doing and
[1:15:58] Speaker 2: shut down an axis. And it's kind of thing, Well
[1:16:00] Speaker 2: that's not true anymore. The uh, their program, the Gates,
[1:16:07] Speaker 2: the Gate program and heard of that g a t E. It. Yes,
[1:16:14] Speaker 2: it's in every school, private and public. And they start
[1:16:18] Speaker 2: every session for the talented and education children. They start
[1:16:22] Speaker 2: with drugs. What drugs are those? I would suspect they're
[1:16:26] Speaker 2: the same drugs they used on us, because do you.
[1:16:29] Speaker 1: Think these programs are still ongoing even in our modern age?
[1:16:34] Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, they've gotten much more sophisticated. Uh, the cybernetics
[1:16:39] Speaker 2: has advanced. I mean as we've advanced technologically. They're the
[1:16:43] Speaker 2: ones doing it. I mean they're the ones designing the equipment.
[1:16:47] Speaker 2: They're the ones. Uh uh they control the industries. So yeah,
[1:16:54] Speaker 2: of course, of course. And and the goal is is
[1:16:58] Speaker 2: a human just and the creation of a God. And
[1:17:04] Speaker 2: to do that for you have to defeat Christianity, So
[1:17:08] Speaker 2: you create wars like Russia Ukraine War. Who's dying in
[1:17:11] Speaker 2: that war? Ukrainian Christians by the millions are dying. That's
[1:17:17] Speaker 2: that's the target population. That's why Russia is reluctant to
[1:17:23] Speaker 2: advance faster than it's advancing, because the people that are
[1:17:28] Speaker 2: dying are the people that they need the most, and
[1:17:30] Speaker 2: then they harvest the children.
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: What do you hope to accomplish understanding that the ones
[1:17:40] Speaker 1: that can make any difference are also judged jury executioner,
[1:17:44] Speaker 1: but they're also most likely involved with these programs or
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: some linking aspect to it. How do we move forward
[1:17:56] Speaker 1: with that understanding? What do you think the next step
[1:18:00] Speaker 1: you're going to be to bring awareness to this and
[1:18:05] Speaker 1: even after that, will it do any good as long
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: as the same people are in controller of everything.
[1:18:12] Speaker 2: Well, that they are only in control because we believe
[1:18:15] Speaker 2: they are. You know, it's like we're only worshiping the
[1:18:20] Speaker 2: dollar because we believe, you know, the dollar's worth nothing.
[1:18:24] Speaker 2: It's just a chit of paper. It's crap, but we
[1:18:27] Speaker 2: believe because we're programmed that way, you can undo your
[1:18:32] Speaker 2: programming if someone like me, with these massive blocks programmed
[1:18:38] Speaker 2: by the best programs to the world can break those
[1:18:41] Speaker 2: blocks and deprogram. And I had no help because at
[1:18:45] Speaker 2: that time it wasn't even understood. Kathy O'Brien, the Brave
[1:18:49] Speaker 2: pioneer who went before me. Yeah, I used everything that
[1:18:54] Speaker 2: she had written and everything that she had said, and
[1:18:56] Speaker 2: now she's my dear friend. And but other than Kathy,
[1:19:01] Speaker 2: I mean Kathy, Kathy had help from her husband, Mark Phillips.
[1:19:08] Speaker 2: But that's all there was. There aren't therapy programs, there
[1:19:11] Speaker 2: aren't rescue programs. But it's you can change it. You
[1:19:16] Speaker 2: can deprogram. And in terms of if your soul was taken,
[1:19:21] Speaker 2: can you get it back? Of course you can. It's
[1:19:23] Speaker 2: only taken because you believe it was. You know, so
[1:19:26] Speaker 2: magic only works until the trick is revealed, and you
[1:19:31] Speaker 2: you you put your finger on the solution, which is
[1:19:35] Speaker 2: that this is all at the top, and it's only
[1:19:37] Speaker 2: at the top because we believe it's the top. What
[1:19:39] Speaker 2: really matters is the bottom. You know, I don't like
[1:19:45] Speaker 2: to call it the bottom because it should really be
[1:19:47] Speaker 2: the top. Like all over Russia, it was our tiny
[1:19:50] Speaker 2: little NGOs. I mean, these are people like two people
[1:19:54] Speaker 2: and maybe they had a telephone and maybe they didn't,
[1:19:57] Speaker 2: and they were able to conduct public in information campaigns.
[1:20:01] Speaker 2: They were able to develop media massive media events using
[1:20:09] Speaker 2: their local contacts. I mean, and that's exactly the same
[1:20:14] Speaker 2: here and the only reason we feel disempowered is because
[1:20:17] Speaker 2: we've been told, and we watch television and it tells
[1:20:21] Speaker 2: you over and over again that all these people on
[1:20:23] Speaker 2: top they control everything. Actually they don't. They don't, And
[1:20:29] Speaker 2: you can heal your soul, you can heal yourself, you
[1:20:31] Speaker 2: can deprogram, and you can protect your community.
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: From what you said, it seems they are not always
[1:20:40] Speaker 1: successful with the operations that they're trying to do. They're
[1:20:44] Speaker 1: not all powerful. Most of what they portray is an
[1:20:48] Speaker 1: illusion so that we believe their omnipotence, that we believe
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: that they control everything. But I believe you're right. Once
[1:20:58] Speaker 1: we break that spell, there's nothing left to it. Juliet,
[1:21:03] Speaker 1: this was fantastic. Before we close out, remind the audience
[1:21:08] Speaker 1: how they can find out more about you and pick
[1:21:10] Speaker 1: up your books.
[1:21:11] Speaker 2: Well, you can look on my website. And I'm terrible
[1:21:15] Speaker 2: at updating things, and I have a substack which I
[1:21:18] Speaker 2: should be writing on and I will, but I've just
[1:21:21] Speaker 2: been so busy getting ready for the congressional testimonies. But
[1:21:25] Speaker 2: you can look at my website, which is my name
[1:21:28] Speaker 2: Juliette Engel dot com. It's right there under Angels over Moscow.
[1:21:33] Speaker 2: And also you can get my books from my publisher
[1:21:37] Speaker 2: who is trying day publishing over there under Sparky, or
[1:21:42] Speaker 2: you can go to my website and that will link
[1:21:44] Speaker 2: you to my publisher, and I recommend you read the books.
[1:21:47] Speaker 2: I have a perspective that they would like to keep
[1:21:51] Speaker 2: quiet because it's exactly right that you look under the
[1:21:59] Speaker 2: veil and it's just a little guy throwing a few switches.
[1:22:03] Speaker 2: And that applies to AI two. AI two is the
[1:22:06] Speaker 2: biggest bunch of huha uh. It's garbage in, garbage out.
[1:22:13] Speaker 2: It's whatever they ultimately want you to believe. And a
[1:22:16] Speaker 2: lot of people will believe it and they will go
[1:22:18] Speaker 2: the way of the Dodo, and a lot of people won't.
[1:22:22] Speaker 2: And they will, they will, they have. Their next step
[1:22:25] Speaker 2: will be the determination of the civilizational state of America
[1:22:30] Speaker 2: as we go forward, because our civilizational state is an illusion.
[1:22:40] Speaker 2: We need we need some rock, hard, rock solid.
[1:22:43] Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, one hundred percent, Juliett. This was great.
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