# Dawn of Discernment Clip: DeMystifying the Mysterious with Marty Leeds

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 7 Aug 2026, 15 min.

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## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: This is a clip from Dawn of Discernment.
[0:04] Speaker 2: You can access the entire episode now on our website
[0:08] Speaker 2: and all podcast platforms.
[0:10] Speaker 3: I think we're going to start with looking at DNA,
[0:14] Speaker 3: because you've put out a couple of videos lately on
[0:18] Speaker 3: your channel, and there'll be links below in the show
[0:21] Speaker 3: notes to Marty's Nostick Academy, YouTube and Rumble channels. So
[0:27] Speaker 3: the first point about DNA is that it's never been
[0:29] Speaker 3: proven to exist, and that may be a surprise to
[0:34] Speaker 3: some people. Hasn't been proven to exist as as described.
[0:39] Speaker 3: Whatever it is, we don't know if there's something going on,
[0:43] Speaker 3: but it's not the way we've been told. And you
[0:47] Speaker 3: you did actually look in your in your video, you
[0:51] Speaker 3: did look at the tron Cowan's conversation with Alic on
[0:57] Speaker 3: the way Forward, which is which is a really, you know,
[1:00] Speaker 3: good explanation. And they looked at the original paper, which
[1:03] Speaker 3: I've actually downloaded myself, and I've marked all the points
[1:08] Speaker 3: on the paper where it has what they call hedging language.
[1:11] Speaker 3: So look at all those look at all those there
[1:15] Speaker 3: where they're talking about things like we suggest being proposed.
[1:21] Speaker 3: We believe that we wish to put forward all and
[1:25] Speaker 3: all sorts of assumptions. So you know, this is this
[1:28] Speaker 3: is the definitive paper, and that's all the hedging language.
[1:30] Speaker 3: So there's more to it. So I suppose really the
[1:36] Speaker 3: starting point is what inspired you to really dive into
[1:39] Speaker 3: looking into DNA and whether it exists.
[1:46] Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just a I think it's just
[1:47] Speaker 2: sort of this alchemical process of just constantly distilling things
[1:51] Speaker 2: down to truth, like I want the quintessence, like you
[1:54] Speaker 2: know so, and in our world basically we're given explanations
[1:57] Speaker 2: for all of these things, whatever it is space, what's
[2:00] Speaker 2: going on at the sub microscopic level, whatever the heck
[2:03] Speaker 2: that means. And so I always knew the DNA thing
[2:07] Speaker 2: was bs right like, because it's just I mean, this
[2:10] Speaker 2: is probably like even two years ago or something like that.
[2:12] Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, well that's nonsense. There's nothing
[2:14] Speaker 2: provable about it. But then I never kept going with
[2:17] Speaker 2: it because I was busy with ten thousand other things
[2:19] Speaker 2: obviously too, you know. So then I was like, well,
[2:21] Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna do a sermon on this and
[2:24] Speaker 2: just kind of patch it up in an hour and
[2:26] Speaker 2: twenty minutes or whatever and just show.
[2:27] Speaker 4: Like, hey, this is this is the photo fifty one,
[2:30] Speaker 4: the alleged photo of DNA, and this is the alleged
[2:33] Speaker 4: science behind it, and this is the first paper, like
[2:35] Speaker 4: you're showing there's nothing provable about it, you know.
[2:39] Speaker 2: So I did that, and then as I did it,
[2:42] Speaker 2: I didn't realize like how important the conversation was. Like
[2:45] Speaker 2: I was just gonna be like, yeah, DNA is junk,
[2:47] Speaker 2: it's just nonsense, and then that was gonna be it.
[2:49] Speaker 1: But then it got.
[2:50] Speaker 2: Into this whole thing of like the esoterica behind it
[2:53] Speaker 2: and the symbolism behind it and actually what they were doing,
[2:56] Speaker 2: which maybe you could talk about a little bit, but
[2:58] Speaker 2: what ultimately it would all led to is just like, okay,
[3:01] Speaker 2: so you know, how are they doing this? Then, like,
[3:05] Speaker 2: if it's not DNA, if there aren't these codes made
[3:09] Speaker 2: by chemicals at the bottom.
[3:11] Speaker 1: Of you then what are they doing? And as you.
[3:13] Speaker 2: Said, it's it's a it's a database of names and aliases.
[3:17] Speaker 2: You might have said that prior to us hitting record,
[3:19] Speaker 2: but that's what it is. It's basically a big magic
[3:23] Speaker 2: show that's all done with you know, it's it's part
[3:26] Speaker 2: of the technocracy obviously, right, you know, this is all
[3:29] Speaker 2: of technological wizardry, and they're they're couching it in these
[3:33] Speaker 2: terms of like, oh, we've got the code of life
[3:35] Speaker 2: and we've got the machines to go in and read
[3:37] Speaker 2: you and stuff like that.
[3:38] Speaker 1: But really what it is is a massive database.
[3:41] Speaker 2: And if this database is care is is everything on you,
[3:45] Speaker 2: like literally everything, And that's what these are and that's
[3:48] Speaker 2: what those data centers are. And so what they're doing
[3:51] Speaker 2: is it's a massive surveillance program. But it's it's based,
[3:55] Speaker 2: it's it's that's foundation is actually in DNA, it's in
[3:58] Speaker 2: this alleged science that is completely unprovable.
[4:02] Speaker 1: It's nonsense. It's so it's hilarious.
[4:04] Speaker 2: In fact, it's completely laughable when you actually start picking
[4:07] Speaker 2: it apart. It's just like what, you know, so getting
[4:10] Speaker 2: to the bottom of things, long story short, getting to
[4:14] Speaker 2: the bottom of things, just wanting truth, you know, And
[4:15] Speaker 2: I knew this was nonsense, and so then it's just
[4:17] Speaker 2: snowballed from there because then it was like, Okay, well,
[4:19] Speaker 2: if this is nonsense, then what are they actually doing?
[4:21] Speaker 2: And now with that you pretty much have the key,
[4:25] Speaker 2: like literally the key to unlock what they're doing.
[4:28] Speaker 1: This is a massive surveillance state.
[4:30] Speaker 2: They're doing it on you know, bs science, and this
[4:33] Speaker 2: science is that we've got all the information about you
[4:35] Speaker 2: and your genetics and where you.
[4:36] Speaker 1: Come from and all of this.
[4:38] Speaker 2: So as soon as you as soon as you expose
[4:40] Speaker 2: DNA and actually what it is, then the entire thing
[4:44] Speaker 2: falls apart, all of it, all the science, all of
[4:46] Speaker 2: the stuff behind it, you know, so anyway it does.
[4:50] Speaker 3: I mean I was looking at sort of questioning, you
[4:53] Speaker 3: know who, well, the idea of genes being in control
[4:57] Speaker 3: a long time ago when I first came across Bruce
[5:00] Speaker 3: Lipton's work, you know, the Biology of Belief, and he
[5:03] Speaker 3: was saying, you know, genes don't control biology. So I
[5:05] Speaker 3: came across that while ago, but I hadn't gone into
[5:07] Speaker 3: any depths as to what genes actually were. But the
[5:12] Speaker 3: whole twenty twenty nonsense, you know, brought out a lot
[5:17] Speaker 3: of the whole gene stuff. And again, I mean we
[5:21] Speaker 3: can probably talk about that all the different parts of
[5:26] Speaker 3: the so called truth movement, and where some of them
[5:29] Speaker 3: gets stuck in some layers and they end up talking
[5:32] Speaker 3: about you know, gene therapy and all that stuff and
[5:35] Speaker 3: missing the point that there isn't which you know, I'd
[5:39] Speaker 3: like us to go somewhat deeper into with what you've seen,
[5:42] Speaker 3: and you know what you've looked into, and as you say,
[5:45] Speaker 3: it's about looking for truth. So it's getting rid of
[5:48] Speaker 3: the lies. And it's not because we don't have to
[5:50] Speaker 3: replace it with something, but it's still showing the lies.
[5:54] Speaker 3: So I've been looking at it, and certainly the last
[5:56] Speaker 3: couple of years really diving deeper into genes and you
[6:01] Speaker 3: know what are cool? Genes are still hypothetical.
[6:06] Speaker 1: Yep.
[6:07] Speaker 2: And when the crazy thing that I was that I'm
[6:10] Speaker 2: pointing out with all of this is that how how
[6:13] Speaker 2: are they doing this right? Like we can at this
[6:15] Speaker 2: point prove and we can get into all of this stuff.
[6:17] Speaker 2: I don't want to just say this stuff but you know,
[6:19] Speaker 2: or not give the audience what you know, a line
[6:23] Speaker 2: to follow there.
[6:24] Speaker 1: But it's like we can prove that all.
[6:26] Speaker 2: Of this like DNA, and we can prove that genes,
[6:29] Speaker 2: and we can prove that atoms they don't exist. But
[6:33] Speaker 2: all of this stuff, the way they exist is that
[6:36] Speaker 2: it's within our language. We just speak this stuff into being.
[6:39] Speaker 2: People will say protons, neutrons, electrons, They will say genetics,
[6:42] Speaker 2: Oh it's in my genetics. Oh it's in my DNA.
[6:45] Speaker 2: None of this stuff exists, none of it's provable, none
[6:49] Speaker 2: of it is you know, demonstrable, goes through any of
[6:51] Speaker 2: the scientific method Then we have to step back, and
[6:54] Speaker 2: this is I guess where sort of our church comes
[6:56] Speaker 2: in handy is that?
[6:57] Speaker 1: Well, then what is it?
[6:58] Speaker 2: It's a magic spell? Then how do they do magic?
[7:00] Speaker 2: It's abracadabra. They speak it into being. That's exactly how
[7:03] Speaker 2: you do magic. You speak it into being. Protons, neutrons, electrons.
[7:07] Speaker 2: No one's ever seen a proton, a neutron electron. No
[7:10] Speaker 2: one's ever seen a virus, no one's ever seen DNA,
[7:12] Speaker 2: no one's ever seen any atoms. But it's so embedded
[7:16] Speaker 2: in our language that what creates the reality of it speaking.
[7:21] Speaker 2: And this is how they do it with all universities too.
[7:24] Speaker 2: I mean a perfect example is I just had a
[7:26] Speaker 2: conversation with the you know, the doctor Steve Young, you know,
[7:29] Speaker 2: a good friend of yours.
[7:30] Speaker 1: He's just a great dude, really smart, and.
[7:34] Speaker 2: He literally went to college for how four or five
[7:37] Speaker 2: years and learned about quantum.
[7:38] Speaker 1: He's never seen a Q and that's what he got.
[7:39] Speaker 2: At the end of He's like, well, I've never seen
[7:41] Speaker 2: an atom, I've never seen quantum anything.
[7:42] Speaker 1: I'm like the.
[7:43] Speaker 2: Expert in it, and there's nothing to it, you know,
[7:46] Speaker 2: And that's just what you have to come that's just
[7:48] Speaker 2: the facts you have to come to. It's all nonsense,
[7:51] Speaker 2: you know. But then you have to once again go
[7:53] Speaker 2: one step further.
[7:54] Speaker 1: What is it? It's an agenda and it's not only
[7:56] Speaker 1: just an agenda.
[7:57] Speaker 2: It is magic. It is these are wizards. This is
[7:59] Speaker 2: what this is. This is dark wizardry. And yeah, so
[8:04] Speaker 2: that's I guess that's where we come in, you know.
[8:06] Speaker 2: So does not only point out the lot, not only
[8:08] Speaker 2: point out that it's unscientific, that's one thing, right, but
[8:12] Speaker 2: then to say, okay, then what is it?
[8:14] Speaker 1: Right?
[8:14] Speaker 2: If it's not science, then what is it? Okay, it's magic? Okay,
[8:19] Speaker 2: then then how do they do that magic?
[8:20] Speaker 1: Exactly? How it's done through the manipulation of language.
[8:23] Speaker 2: And that gets into your psychology because how many people
[8:25] Speaker 2: will even say and this is one of the first
[8:27] Speaker 2: things that actually got me thinking or actually got me
[8:30] Speaker 2: on this thread was Aleene Mcusick was at Elemental's gathering
[8:35] Speaker 2: and she said, she said, oh, this is in my
[8:38] Speaker 2: DNA and then but then she stopped and she said,
[8:40] Speaker 2: I don't want to use DNA because doctor Cowens could
[8:43] Speaker 2: actually get really mad at me, and I was like,
[8:46] Speaker 2: she's super onto something there, you know, because look at
[8:49] Speaker 2: how DNA is.
[8:50] Speaker 1: Everyone will just say it, Oh, it's in my DNA.
[8:52] Speaker 1: No it's not. There's no DNA there.
[8:55] Speaker 2: So why are you saying that? Because it was repeated
[8:58] Speaker 2: to you and you believed it without ever examining it. No,
[9:02] Speaker 2: there's not two snakes that are throwing proteins back and
[9:05] Speaker 2: forth at sub sub microscopic levels that reduces you down
[9:09] Speaker 2: to an acid that tells you all about where you
[9:11] Speaker 2: come from, and you're what a joke?
[9:14] Speaker 1: You know?
[9:15] Speaker 2: And yet that ridiculous explanation of like our code of
[9:19] Speaker 2: life is just embedded in so many even in the
[9:22] Speaker 2: truth or thing. And so what we're trying to do
[9:24] Speaker 2: right now is like change the language, change clean it up,
[9:28] Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden your science goes away,
[9:30] Speaker 2: you know.
[9:31] Speaker 3: So yeah, totally, the words, the words and the word magic.
[9:36] Speaker 3: I mean, I think a lot of people are beginning
[9:39] Speaker 3: to get it, only it's getting through those habits. I mean,
[9:45] Speaker 3: the Human Genome Project. I know you kind of you're
[9:49] Speaker 3: aware that that didn't do what it claims to have done,
[9:54] Speaker 3: because it wasn't a single human that they mapped their
[9:58] Speaker 3: entire genome. So it's just so many deceptions as part
[10:06] Speaker 3: of the story. But as you say, and with the
[10:09] Speaker 3: psychological aspect of it, you know, they've been doing psychology
[10:13] Speaker 3: experiments for ages and then they tell us a certain
[10:18] Speaker 3: result or they say all that the you know, like
[10:21] Speaker 3: the conformity experiments and everyone conformed. Well when you look
[10:25] Speaker 3: at it, which I have done, you know, looked at
[10:28] Speaker 3: or rather I've found more work where people have studied
[10:31] Speaker 3: what actually happened, and it's not actually quite what we're told,
[10:35] Speaker 3: and it's not everybody who does it, so it's not
[10:38] Speaker 3: like everybody conforms, you know. So we're getting these stories
[10:42] Speaker 3: and all everyone conforms, but in some you know, but
[10:46] Speaker 3: there is always a percentage who don't, and so that
[10:52] Speaker 3: that's where we can kind of start to gain some confidence. Well,
[10:55] Speaker 3: there's always been a minority, I mean twenty five percent,
[11:00] Speaker 3: you know, minority, but it's still a substantial number of
[11:03] Speaker 3: people who say no, thank you, or I'm not conforming.
[11:06] Speaker 3: So you know, this is important to say, you know,
[11:09] Speaker 3: we we can make a difference by saying no. So
[11:15] Speaker 3: with the yeah, oh, when you meant to first mention
[11:19] Speaker 3: the DNA, the deoxyribos nucleic castid. That was the original
[11:23] Speaker 3: with the S and that's how I knew it, way
[11:27] Speaker 3: way back when I was at school. That's how I
[11:31] Speaker 3: remember the phrase, you know, with the S. So do
[11:35] Speaker 3: you have any ideas why they changed that?
[11:40] Speaker 1: No?
[11:42] Speaker 2: I mean yeah, like because yes, we could talk about that,
[11:46] Speaker 2: but that i'd need some graphics and that sort of stuff.
[11:48] Speaker 2: I was actually going to include that in the first one,
[11:50] Speaker 2: but it just gets a little bit too convoluted, especially
[11:53] Speaker 2: when you're throwing so much math at people.
[11:55] Speaker 1: But basically, one of the things that.
[11:57] Speaker 2: We do is we actually show that all of the
[11:59] Speaker 2: language quinine A nine set design Thymine, all of the
[12:03] Speaker 2: symbolism of the two snakes and the latter and all
[12:08] Speaker 2: of that stuff is deaxy ribos nucleic acid. It's even
[12:12] Speaker 2: a like a three letter spell like CBS, ABC, NBC, DNA.
[12:18] Speaker 2: Like if you had to make people remember deaxy ribos
[12:21] Speaker 2: nucleic acid, do you think that the spell would work?
[12:24] Speaker 1: No, because people could barely even pronounce it.
[12:26] Speaker 2: But if you say DNA, that's really stupid simple every boom,
[12:29] Speaker 2: it's a magic spell, right, in your head, DNA, diaxi, rebosse,
[12:32] Speaker 2: nucleic acid. How many people are going to fall for
[12:34] Speaker 2: the magic spell? They got to say that.
[12:36] Speaker 1: You know.
[12:37] Speaker 2: So, so what we're showing is that this is intentional,
[12:41] Speaker 2: it's done by magicians. It's all done through language, which
[12:44] Speaker 2: that's that's what magic is. People don't realize that magic
[12:47] Speaker 2: first and foremost is spelling. Writes are writing. Spells are
[12:50] Speaker 2: spelling sciences or sentences. Okay, everybody knows that when you
[12:54] Speaker 2: say a abercadabra means we create what we speak. So
[12:58] Speaker 2: what these people are doing is they're just creating this
[13:01] Speaker 2: reality which we've all capitulated and agreed to, and all
[13:03] Speaker 2: of it's one hundred and eleven percent total bullshit and
[13:06] Speaker 2: completely unscientific, and all of it's done through just speaking
[13:10] Speaker 2: it into being.
[13:12] Speaker 1: That's it.
[13:12] Speaker 2: Showing you pictures, this is DNA, here's the language, this
[13:16] Speaker 2: is your life code, and everybody believes it for the
[13:19] Speaker 2: most part, you know. So, so what we do is
[13:23] Speaker 2: just try to unspell that magic. And the one thing
[13:25] Speaker 2: that you can do, the first thing you can do
[13:26] Speaker 2: is start taking the stuff out of your language. You know,
[13:29] Speaker 2: just like viruses, I don't say virus anymore. Right, Like
[13:33] Speaker 2: I'm a flat earther, I don't say globe anymore, right,
[13:36] Speaker 2: I'll say celestial globe whatever. But no, no, it's a
[13:40] Speaker 2: flat plane or whatever. Right, same thing goes for genetics,
[13:42] Speaker 2: same thing goes for DNA, same things goes for atomism.
[13:45] Speaker 3: So absolutely, yes, yes, I've been changing my language as
[13:50] Speaker 3: well on the same basis. I mean, we're not going
[13:54] Speaker 3: to talk about the latest nonsense that you know, whatever
[13:57] Speaker 3: it is is supposed to be crashing into the moon
[13:59] Speaker 3: at the moment.
[14:01] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're going to create a new creators something like.
[14:05] Speaker 3: That's nonsense, isn't it. It's all nonsense, but it is.
[14:09] Speaker 3: It is designed to keep the same stories out there,
[14:12] Speaker 3: to keep perpetuating, because that's the that's the way that
[14:16] Speaker 3: spells are. They kind of get their energy by constant repetition,
[14:23] Speaker 3: and that's that's how they know that, you know, psychologically,
[14:26] Speaker 3: it's kind of you know, constant repetition, which is what
[14:28] Speaker 3: they did in twenty twenty.
[14:30] Speaker 2: And and they're also with all of this, one of
[14:33] Speaker 2: the things they're doing is trying to create a great
[14:35] Speaker 2: viprecation in humanity because they also know that there's a
[14:38] Speaker 2: bunch of us, they're gonna be like this is all nonsense.
[14:41] Speaker 1: Like whatever.
[14:41] Speaker 2: Like when COVID hit, they knew that there was going
[14:43] Speaker 2: to be a whole bunch of people that are like
[14:45] Speaker 2: just like us and you whatever.
[14:46] Speaker 1: Almost immediately were like, this is absolute crap. You know.
[14:49] Speaker 1: They knew that, you know, so just look at like
[14:52] Speaker 1: Artemis too. It's the same

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