# Jeff Harman | Driven by Perception & Era of Technological Wonders & Horrors, ETs Among Us

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 25 Sep 2026, 1 h 16 min.

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## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:03] Speaker 1: and weirder. And finally, it's going to be so weird
[0:07] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:09] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:13] Speaker 1: your host, Chris Matthew. Today, my guest is Jeff Harmon.
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[0:43] Speaker 1: want to welcome back to the show Jeff Harmon. He
[0:46] Speaker 1: is a second-generation astrologer and spiritual consultant with over 40
[0:51] Speaker 1: years of experience. He has also solved many paranormal cases. Jeff,
[0:56] Speaker 1: welcome back. How you doing?
[0:58] Speaker 2: Doing good. Thanks for having me back.
[1:00] Speaker 1: I always enjoy our discussions, and I'm looking forward to
[1:03] Speaker 1: sharing your astrological insights about the strange time period we're
[1:08] Speaker 1: currently navigating, as well as get your thoughts about the
[1:11] Speaker 1: deeper metaphysical possibilities about the spiritual nature of the events
[1:17] Speaker 1: that are unfolding. Lots to discuss here. Before we do,
[1:20] Speaker 1: remind the audience a little bit about yourself and let
[1:23] Speaker 1: them know how they can find more.
[1:26] Speaker 2: Well, for years, probably over 50 years now, I've been
[1:29] Speaker 2: doing astrology, Vedic astrology, electional astrology and interrogation. and location astrology,
[1:37] Speaker 2: which is really fun stuff. And I also get untreated
[1:40] Speaker 2: gemstones and set talismans for people, which is really fun.
[1:45] Speaker 2: I have so many people I've done that for. And
[1:48] Speaker 2: I put their angels on it and so on and
[1:50] Speaker 2: so forth. You can see it on my website, jeff
[1:52] Speaker 2: at jeffharmon.com. And make sure you put an A-N, not
[1:55] Speaker 2: an O-N, on Harmon. But in my YouTube channel, it's
[1:59] Speaker 2: Jeff Harmon Astrologer. So that's how you get through to me.
[2:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:05] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
[2:28] Speaker 1: The topics that we're discussing now that we've been talking
[2:31] Speaker 1: about for a very long time seem to be creeping
[2:34] Speaker 1: into the mainstream zeitgeist in a very big way. Any
[2:38] Speaker 1: thoughts about why that's occurring now?
[2:41] Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things that's been happening is disclosure.
[2:44] Speaker 2: Disclosure is clearly happening now. But it's not happening as
[2:49] Speaker 2: fast as everybody wants, because many of the people who
[2:53] Speaker 2: control the real information, they are so-called industrial military complex.
[3:00] Speaker 2: So they're not regulated by the government. And even though
[3:03] Speaker 2: Trump has said, hey, release all the documents, which the
[3:05] Speaker 2: government is doing, but you have to sift through it.
[3:08] Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Epstein files. You can find
[3:10] Speaker 2: it if you've got six hours to sit there and
[3:12] Speaker 2: page through everything. And then so much stuff is redacted.
[3:16] Speaker 2: So there's that going on. But the other thing that
[3:18] Speaker 2: I really think is more front, center, and stage here
[3:23] Speaker 2: is the war between the globalists and the nationalists. A
[3:28] Speaker 2: lot of people are very concerned about Iran, of course, Russia, Ukraine,
[3:33] Speaker 2: and now we got Canada in the fold here. I
[3:36] Speaker 2: just heard a report this morning that Cuba might be
[3:40] Speaker 2: infiltrated by the Marines. In other words, they might actually
[3:43] Speaker 2: go into Cuba, and Marco Rubio is going to go
[3:46] Speaker 2: in there. I think we're seeing, look at Greenland just recently.
[3:52] Speaker 2: I still say Canada is is in a fight it
[3:55] Speaker 2: can't win. It's not going to be able to push
[3:59] Speaker 2: the United States into a deal that it wants. I
[4:03] Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if we see Alberta in the future
[4:07] Speaker 2: here either become a territory or in some affiliation to
[4:10] Speaker 2: the United States. All of this is really powerful because
[4:15] Speaker 2: we had a Saturn-Neptune conjunction last February And there's something
[4:21] Speaker 2: going on right now that's really important. I've been talking
[4:23] Speaker 2: about it on my podcast. And that is we have
[4:26] Speaker 2: these series of aspects between Uranus and Pluto and Neptune.
[4:31] Speaker 2: And these are all going to be going on all
[4:34] Speaker 2: the way into next year. This actually started this summer.
[4:39] Speaker 2: This is very unusual energy and very powerful energy. I think, ultimately,
[4:44] Speaker 2: it has a positive effect for the human race. Of course,
[4:48] Speaker 2: we see the explosion in AI right now. I was
[4:53] Speaker 2: listening to the UN speech, and I actually liked Trump's
[4:56] Speaker 2: version of SI, which is super intelligence, because in a way,
[5:00] Speaker 2: it is. You could call it either one. But AI
[5:04] Speaker 2: really is taking the collective work that humanity has done
[5:09] Speaker 2: and now being able to categorize it and organize it
[5:12] Speaker 2: and put it together in a way that we can
[5:14] Speaker 2: actually use it. And I'm not that afraid of AI.
[5:17] Speaker 2: I am afraid of weaponized AI through the military, kind
[5:22] Speaker 2: of like a Terminator movie. That is a real possibility.
[5:25] Speaker 2: But I also think it's a good thing we had
[5:28] Speaker 2: those movies because it's kind of giving us a warning
[5:32] Speaker 2: of what could happen. But AI, I've been using it,
[5:36] Speaker 2: and it's absolutely stunning. In fact, I'm working on some
[5:39] Speaker 2: projects right now in AI that are going to be
[5:42] Speaker 2: phenomenal in astrology that I'll be coming out with, hopefully
[5:45] Speaker 2: by spring, maybe sooner. And it's stunning. I can take-
[5:51] Speaker 2: my collective 50 years of Astrology Plus and organize it
[5:56] Speaker 2: with a lot of ancient data. See, the real secrets
[5:59] Speaker 2: to AI is what you feed it. Everybody hears about
[6:02] Speaker 2: the LLMs, which is the large language models. But the
[6:06] Speaker 2: small language models, that's where the secret sauce is, where
[6:09] Speaker 2: you actually tell it and program it on how to
[6:13] Speaker 2: think and the guidelines to go. It's like lines on
[6:16] Speaker 2: the road when we drive. You have to guide it.
[6:20] Speaker 2: And it's incredibly intelligent when you do. I spend about
[6:26] Speaker 2: 40 minutes prior to a personal reading for people. I'm
[6:29] Speaker 2: marking down all their cycles, their transits, their progressions, dashes,
[6:33] Speaker 2: et cetera, and cycles of where they live. And what's
[6:36] Speaker 2: great about AI is it helps me organize things in
[6:40] Speaker 2: a much faster way. I have a fun little story
[6:44] Speaker 2: to tell. It was probably back in the late 80s,
[6:47] Speaker 2: early 90s. I was studying with a Vedic astrologer out
[6:51] Speaker 2: of India, Kanapriya. And what was funny about this is
[6:56] Speaker 2: he said to me, Jeff, you must always cast a
[6:59] Speaker 2: birth chart by hand. Always cast your charts by hand, right?
[7:03] Speaker 2: And of course, when I started studying astrology back in
[7:05] Speaker 2: the mid-70s, it was called BC, right? Before computers, right? So, and...
[7:12] Speaker 2: So we would always take a piece of paper, draw
[7:15] Speaker 2: the chart out, and put in all the planets. When
[7:27] Speaker 2: computers came out in the late 70s, I was doing
[7:30] Speaker 2: the Vedic astrologies. He said, Jeff, you must always cast
[7:33] Speaker 2: chart by hand, right? Well, the first really good Vedic
[7:37] Speaker 2: astrology program started coming out in the mid 90s to
[7:40] Speaker 2: the late 90s, right? And I showed it to him.
[7:42] Speaker 2: He goes, oh, my God. He said, that's so fast.
[7:44] Speaker 2: He says, I want a copy of that. I said, oh, no, no,
[7:46] Speaker 2: you must always cast chart by hand. And he started laughing.
[7:49] Speaker 2: He said, no, I'd like that. That's like, do you
[7:51] Speaker 2: want to walk to the grocery store? Now, if it's
[7:54] Speaker 2: around the corner, yeah, that's fine. But if it's five
[7:56] Speaker 2: miles away, you might want to take the car. Modern
[8:00] Speaker 2: society does have its benefits. I can tell you, computers
[8:05] Speaker 2: and AI is certainly one of them. Just like a car,
[8:08] Speaker 2: we're going to have accidents. Things happen. People really get
[8:12] Speaker 2: hurt in cars when they wipe out. But if we
[8:16] Speaker 2: keep it in a corral type of way, I think
[8:20] Speaker 2: It can really benefit humanity.
[8:23] Speaker 1: I want to get deeper into AI in a moment,
[8:25] Speaker 1: but I want to go back to something you said
[8:28] Speaker 1: about there being a war between the globalists and nationalists.
[8:33] Speaker 1: I've reached a point a long time ago, pretty jaded,
[8:36] Speaker 1: where I don't trust any side of the political spectrum.
[8:41] Speaker 1: I believe that all sides have been corrupted and infiltrated
[8:44] Speaker 1: to a point where we wouldn't be able to trust
[8:46] Speaker 1: them anyway. As far as what the globalists represent to
[8:52] Speaker 1: you versus the nationalists, would you say globalists are more
[8:56] Speaker 1: along the dark occultist pedophile group?
[9:02] Speaker 2: I think where I would really characterize it is for
[9:05] Speaker 2: all the money. It's really about control and money. My
[9:10] Speaker 2: opinion is if you go back to... Probably the most
[9:15] Speaker 2: market time was in 1913 going into 1914, where Woodrow
[9:19] Speaker 2: Wilson literally sold his country, which is the United States,
[9:24] Speaker 2: to the bankers. Now, who are they? No one really
[9:26] Speaker 2: knows who they are. Of course, we know it as
[9:28] Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve here in the United States. But when
[9:31] Speaker 2: you really look at what's happening with the global financial system,
[9:35] Speaker 2: it's clearly been run out of London and Switzerland. It
[9:38] Speaker 2: may be run out of other places, but those are
[9:41] Speaker 2: certainly two major places. Proof of that is there's a
[9:44] Speaker 2: book I often recommend. It's called The Great Taking by
[9:49] Speaker 2: David Webb. It's actually free. You can download it at
[9:51] Speaker 2: his website. That book will scare the heck out of you.
[9:54] Speaker 2: If you think you own the socks on your feet,
[9:57] Speaker 2: you don't. If you think you own the chair you're
[9:59] Speaker 2: sitting in and the car you have, you don't, even
[10:02] Speaker 2: though we're in a structured system that says we do.
[10:05] Speaker 2: But a whole thing is collateralized. And I mean everything.
[10:09] Speaker 2: The whole countries are collateralized. Furthermore, when you look at
[10:14] Speaker 2: the Bank of International Settlements, which is in Basel, Switzerland,
[10:17] Speaker 2: there's another great book. It's called The Tower of Basel.
[10:21] Speaker 2: Very well-researched, very well-documented books. These are not people with opinions.
[10:26] Speaker 2: These are people We've been hedge fund owners or very
[10:31] Speaker 2: involved with deep financing in an international basis. Essentially, what's
[10:37] Speaker 2: going on is we have this group of bankers that
[10:41] Speaker 2: literally borrow money to both sides of the fence when
[10:45] Speaker 2: there's wars, and wars make money. This is why if
[10:50] Speaker 2: we look back through history from World War I forward,
[10:54] Speaker 2: which by the way, happened on a Saturn-Pluto conjunction. That's
[10:59] Speaker 2: when it really got locked in very heavily here. And forward,
[11:03] Speaker 2: of course, we had the Great Depression in 29. He
[11:05] Speaker 2: actually speaks about that directly in The Great Taking and
[11:09] Speaker 2: the other book, The Tower of Basel, which talks about
[11:13] Speaker 2: the Bank of International Settlements. They speak specifically how the
[11:17] Speaker 2: Great Depression was really caused by toppling one of the
[11:21] Speaker 2: main New York bank chains and down it went. This
[11:25] Speaker 2: is 1929. Well, here we are, roll the clock forward.
[11:28] Speaker 2: Nixon took us off the gold standard in the 70s.
[11:31] Speaker 2: That was another Saturn-Pluto conjunction. And now we roll forward
[11:36] Speaker 2: to 2020. 2020 wasn't just COVID, even though that was
[11:41] Speaker 2: the big thing that clearly everyone experienced. But we also
[11:45] Speaker 2: had a Saturn-Jupiter conjunction. Now, those happen every 20 years,
[11:50] Speaker 2: but the one that we have is called the mutation conjunction.
[11:54] Speaker 2: And you might say, what does that mean? Well, those
[11:56] Speaker 2: are major markers in humanity's evolution as we go along.
[12:02] Speaker 2: They only happen about every 1,000 years in what we
[12:05] Speaker 2: call the fire trines. And this one was a mutation.
[12:10] Speaker 2: So it was a 240-year cycle. So we always have
[12:14] Speaker 2: things going on, but those two elements right there really
[12:18] Speaker 2: brought in a new era. Now, I was mentioned years ago,
[12:21] Speaker 2: George and I were on Coast to Coast. And I
[12:24] Speaker 2: think it was like 2011. And he said, Jeff, what
[12:26] Speaker 2: do you think of the Mayan calendar? I said, not
[12:28] Speaker 2: a single thing. I said, I cannot come up with
[12:30] Speaker 2: anything that would hit the broad side of a barn
[12:33] Speaker 2: for 2012. Remember, everybody thought, oh, my god, the world's
[12:37] Speaker 2: going to end. And I said, no. I said, no. 220,
[12:41] Speaker 2: that's when the page really turns. What's interesting about these
[12:46] Speaker 2: globalists who are really the bankers, they really truly Follow astrology. Why?
[12:55] Speaker 2: Because they strike right when it happens. 9-11 happened on
[12:58] Speaker 2: a Saturn-Pluto opposition. Without getting into conspiracy on that, we
[13:03] Speaker 2: all know buildings don't come down like sparklers from a
[13:06] Speaker 2: jet fuel. If people think so, they should take a
[13:10] Speaker 2: physics class. But I know we saw it on the cameras,
[13:14] Speaker 2: but that is impossible from Jetfield. And that was a
[13:17] Speaker 2: Saturn-Pluto opposition. So if you go back through history, you'll
[13:21] Speaker 2: find major change points always parallel these astrological outer planet
[13:27] Speaker 2: transits and various different alignments. So we're in one right
[13:32] Speaker 2: now that I actually think is quite positive. And even
[13:36] Speaker 2: though we've got a lot of trouble going on right now,
[13:40] Speaker 2: The owners at the top of the pyramid don't want
[13:43] Speaker 2: what's happening. And this is why you're seeing the resistance
[13:47] Speaker 2: in Iran. Iran, I said this last spring, I said,
[13:51] Speaker 2: I don't see this war going on much more than
[13:53] Speaker 2: a number of weeks. And it really hasn't. I mean,
[13:57] Speaker 2: when you think about it, the US military took out
[14:00] Speaker 2: pretty much everything that's in Iran. OK, there's been a
[14:02] Speaker 2: few missiles fired. There's been a few drones fired. A
[14:06] Speaker 2: couple of tankers caught on fire. But if you really look,
[14:11] Speaker 2: what's happened is it's just been skirmishes suppressing them and
[14:15] Speaker 2: squeezing them. This hasn't been a war. We don't have
[14:18] Speaker 2: any boots on the ground. I mean, they call it
[14:20] Speaker 2: a war. OK, fine. But it's really, in my opinion,
[14:24] Speaker 2: not like any of the other wars we fought. It's
[14:27] Speaker 2: basically go in, tactically hit them, and strangle them financially.
[14:32] Speaker 2: So what this really is, is it all dovetails back
[14:37] Speaker 2: to World War I, in my opinion. Why? The Ottoman
[14:41] Speaker 2: Empire was destroyed, and all the financial structures were changed,
[14:46] Speaker 2: and Germany, again, was right behind this. This is when
[14:50] Speaker 2: the Middle East lines got drawn. Before that, Ancient Iran
[14:55] Speaker 2: was Persia. That was it. And you didn't have Iraq
[14:59] Speaker 2: and Syria and Iran and all these different countries named
[15:02] Speaker 2: like they are now in Jordan. They were provinces. You
[15:06] Speaker 2: had Palestine, the Holy Land, and Egypt. That's all you
[15:10] Speaker 2: had before World War I. Look it up. It's on maps. Now,
[15:13] Speaker 2: there were provinces, no question, but not like it is now.
[15:16] Speaker 2: They redrew the lines on the map. That's what the
[15:19] Speaker 2: movie Lawrence of Arabia was all about. The British went in,
[15:23] Speaker 2: and they established them. So here's where I'm going. I
[15:27] Speaker 2: think the game is changing. Now, everybody hates Trump, right?
[15:32] Speaker 2: But what he's doing is he's actually bringing back manufacturing.
[15:37] Speaker 2: And more importantly, he's changing the game. Besant and that administration,
[15:43] Speaker 2: in my opinion, are changing something that is very dangerous.
[15:47] Speaker 2: We're about to see the outcome of this. And that
[15:50] Speaker 2: is putting the US Treasury back in charge of printing
[15:55] Speaker 2: its own money. I think it was Thomas Jefferson or
[15:58] Speaker 2: George Washington, one of them had said, if anyone ever
[16:01] Speaker 2: gets to print our money, they will be more dangerous
[16:05] Speaker 2: than any standing army. That's exactly what happened in World
[16:10] Speaker 2: War I. Right at the turn of 1913 into 1914,
[16:14] Speaker 2: that's when World War I began, this is when the
[16:18] Speaker 2: Federal Reserve Act was rubber-stamped in, signed into law by
[16:23] Speaker 2: President Wilson. From that point forward, George Conlon was right.
[16:27] Speaker 2: Forget the politicians, because you have owners. They own everything.
[16:33] Speaker 2: And they literally control, it's the bankers at the top
[16:37] Speaker 2: of the pyramid. Now, back to what you were saying. Yes,
[16:40] Speaker 2: it does seem like there's some very demonic energy intertwined
[16:44] Speaker 2: with some of them. I wouldn't say all of them,
[16:46] Speaker 2: but some of them. We hear the child trafficking, sacrificing crap.
[16:50] Speaker 2: This is nothing different than Baal. The sacrifices to Baal
[16:54] Speaker 2: back in the Holy Land, a couple thousand years back,
[16:58] Speaker 2: they were talking about all that. And there is a
[17:01] Speaker 2: satanic energy. with this power and control and sexual craziness.
[17:06] Speaker 2: So I think right now we're seeing massive changes. And
[17:13] Speaker 2: I think it's going to take until next summer before
[17:16] Speaker 2: they are fully in place and starting to head in
[17:19] Speaker 2: new directions. But we're seeing the financial structures be changed.
[17:24] Speaker 1: One of the major concerns that many have about this
[17:28] Speaker 1: administration and some of the agendas that are coming down
[17:32] Speaker 1: the pipe is their relationship with the tech bros, PayPal mafia,
[17:37] Speaker 1: people like Peter Thiel, and this emerging surveillance technocratic system
[17:46] Speaker 1: that may include some kind of law enforcement and governance
[17:50] Speaker 1: because he is so involved with.
[17:52] Speaker 2: I think that's an inevitability. I don't know how you
[17:54] Speaker 2: can stop it, no matter who is in there. Society
[17:57] Speaker 2: is marching this way with AI technology. And I mean,
[18:02] Speaker 2: things are... floating right now this is what i said
[18:05] Speaker 2: from 2020 forward we are going to see an explosion
[18:09] Speaker 2: of technology and it's not going to stop it's going
[18:12] Speaker 2: to get like the jetsons and star wars.
[18:15] Speaker 1: Well you don't think that we would have any control
[18:18] Speaker 1: by what we support if we decide to reject some
[18:23] Speaker 1: of the anti-human technology it could go in better directions.
[18:29] Speaker 2: It could yeah i would hope it would But when
[18:32] Speaker 2: you look at that, again, I go right back to
[18:35] Speaker 2: one thing, the money. I think it was Rothschild said
[18:39] Speaker 2: it best. He said, you give me control of the money,
[18:41] Speaker 2: and I care not who makes the laws. Because it's
[18:44] Speaker 2: all about money. And you talk about Peter Thiel. I've
[18:46] Speaker 2: heard a lot of people complain about some of the
[18:48] Speaker 2: things that Trump is doing in this administration. Clearly, it's
[18:52] Speaker 2: all about money. And it always has been. I mean,
[18:55] Speaker 2: when you look back throughout history, it's always been about money.
[18:59] Speaker 2: It's always been about power, control, and money. And the
[19:04] Speaker 2: United States is in a unique situation, because whoever these
[19:09] Speaker 2: bankers really are behind the scenes, we're basically burning our
[19:13] Speaker 2: own money. And this is why the $ 40 trillion in
[19:17] Speaker 2: debt plus is, I think, manufactured. It's clearly a very
[19:22] Speaker 2: complex network. And it's very sophisticated. I mean, there's a
[19:26] Speaker 2: lot of people who know a lot more than I
[19:27] Speaker 2: do about finances. But everything I've heard, it is collateralized.
[19:33] Speaker 2: And the great taking speaks to that. So what's happening here,
[19:38] Speaker 2: if you keep a country in debt, That's what the
[19:41] Speaker 2: bankers want. You'll own nothing. You'll be happy. And we'll
[19:45] Speaker 2: give you money. Everything will be free. See, that's what
[19:47] Speaker 2: they want. They want free everything. They'll tell you, well,
[19:52] Speaker 2: you're not going to pay your rent, you don't have
[19:54] Speaker 2: to do anything. We'll take care of it all, health care, everything.
[19:57] Speaker 2: That's a very dangerous thing. That's communism. That's exactly what
[20:01] Speaker 2: it is. where capitalism, and we see this right now
[20:05] Speaker 2: with this midterm elections, we're seeing the same polarization between, oh,
[20:10] Speaker 2: we want to give everybody everything and free, and the
[20:12] Speaker 2: other ones, no, we want to keep a capitalist society.
[20:15] Speaker 2: But at the top of the pyramid, You've got the
[20:19] Speaker 2: bankers shoveling money into the machine. It's a huge, gigantic
[20:23] Speaker 2: machine when you look at Western society, not just the
[20:27] Speaker 2: United States. You look at the billions and trillions that
[20:30] Speaker 2: are changing hands literally on a monthly basis, it's staggering.
[20:36] Speaker 2: It's all about that power of money. If you get
[20:39] Speaker 2: a country to be generative and generating its own money,
[20:44] Speaker 2: and it doesn't need bankers, well, guess what? That's what
[20:48] Speaker 2: they don't want. There was actually a report. There was
[20:51] Speaker 2: a report called the Iron Mountain Report. There's been several
[20:55] Speaker 2: of these that have surfaced. And they basically say they
[20:58] Speaker 2: want to keep a country in debt. In fact, one
[21:01] Speaker 2: of the ways to destroy a sovereign society is to
[21:06] Speaker 2: get it in uncontrollable debt, uncontrollable bureaucracy, and the final
[21:11] Speaker 2: one is flood the borders, just dilute the culture. Does
[21:15] Speaker 2: that sound familiar? That's exactly what's been happening since the
[21:20] Speaker 2: Saturn-Pluto conjunction in 2020 to Western society in general. Look
[21:25] Speaker 2: at Europe. Look at the United States. Look at Australia.
[21:27] Speaker 2: So many other places. Just flooding. I know I talk
[21:30] Speaker 2: to clients all over the world, and they all say
[21:32] Speaker 2: it's happening. And it's diluting society. What's a blessing? I
[21:38] Speaker 2: always say divinity always puts a failsafe in. And again,
[21:43] Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that don't like that Trump's
[21:46] Speaker 2: involved with Peter Thiel and many others. I've heard a
[21:49] Speaker 2: lot of talk about that. But I don't know if
[21:52] Speaker 2: you took Trump out of the equation, it would stop anyhow.
[21:56] Speaker 1: Even if it is inevitable, which the explosion in technology
[21:59] Speaker 1: and AI is inevitable, I do think we have control
[22:03] Speaker 1: over the overall direction that it's headed. But I don't
[22:07] Speaker 1: think anybody wants this global surveillance law enforcement governance system
[22:13] Speaker 1: done by AI. There's no humanity in it. Right now,
[22:17] Speaker 1: we still have a chance to talk to a police
[22:19] Speaker 1: officer as a human and have some kind of emotional
[22:23] Speaker 1: response from them. If we are governed by AI and
[22:28] Speaker 1: we're subjected to law enforcement by algorithms, basically, there's no
[22:33] Speaker 1: more human interaction.
[22:35] Speaker 2: Touch.
[22:35] Speaker 1: There's no more emotional advantage for us. I don't see
[22:39] Speaker 1: how that would be anything other than a dystopia if
[22:41] Speaker 1: it keeps going the way it's going.
[22:43] Speaker 2: I agree. I agree 100%. See, now, you might say, well,
[22:49] Speaker 2: when might something like that really come in? And the
[22:52] Speaker 2: astrology shows that by 2028, we get the first Saturn-Pluto square.
[22:57] Speaker 2: And see, I always have to say, I really love
[23:01] Speaker 2: Vedic astrology, but I cannot believe how accurate the outer
[23:05] Speaker 2: transit planets are. Just using sidereal or tropical astrology, it
[23:09] Speaker 2: doesn't matter which one you use. Though I have found
[23:12] Speaker 2: in mundane things, meaning like 9-11 and various different events, COVID,
[23:16] Speaker 2: the tropical zodiac has been by far the most accurate
[23:20] Speaker 2: as to when it became manifest in society. And what's
[23:24] Speaker 2: interesting is the next one we have, see the conjunctions
[23:28] Speaker 2: of a planet, they only happen every so many, well,
[23:32] Speaker 2: Saturn-Fluid was about 38 years. It's not exact. It's somewhere
[23:35] Speaker 2: around there. Somewhere between 38 and maybe a little more,
[23:37] Speaker 2: a little less on average. So the next point is
[23:42] Speaker 2: the square. Then you'll go to the opposition. Well, just
[23:45] Speaker 2: to give you an idea of The Saturn-Pluto opposition was 9-11,
[23:50] Speaker 2: the last one we had. The last square was the
[23:54] Speaker 2: bank crash in 2008. If we go backwards, the last
[23:58] Speaker 2: Saturn-Pluto conjunction, I forget when that was, but it Well,
[24:01] Speaker 2: COVID was probably the best example that will be fresh
[24:04] Speaker 2: in everyone's mind. So these are powerful. Well, 2028 is
[24:08] Speaker 2: the next Saturn-Pluto square. Then we go to the opposition
[24:12] Speaker 2: here in about probably another, I think, 8 to 10 years.
[24:17] Speaker 2: And I don't have the dates in front of me.
[24:19] Speaker 2: But the next Saturn-Pluto conjunction is in the 2050s. Now,
[24:26] Speaker 2: everybody might go, wow, that's a long ways away. Yes,
[24:29] Speaker 2: it is, but not that far. It's only about 25 years.
[24:33] Speaker 2: To young people, that's right around the corner. I mean, yeah,
[24:37] Speaker 2: 25 years takes a long time to go by, not
[24:39] Speaker 2: that long. And I look at my own life, and
[24:42] Speaker 2: I can't believe how many years pass by when we
[24:46] Speaker 2: don't really pay attention to it. And I can tell
[24:50] Speaker 2: you that is a marker point when a dystopian AI
[24:54] Speaker 2: society could happen. And I don't know that anything is
[24:57] Speaker 2: going to stop it.
[24:59] Speaker 1: Something else that is unfolding as we speak that's very
[25:03] Speaker 1: concerning is the division between humans and specifically between men
[25:08] Speaker 1: and women. Anytime you look online, they have feminists talking
[25:13] Speaker 1: about how horrible men are, and then men don't even
[25:16] Speaker 1: want to pursue women anymore. That affects the population.
[25:21] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, these forces have been at work, I think,
[25:25] Speaker 2: throughout humanity. I mean, when you look back, you know,
[25:28] Speaker 2: it's always been active. It's a real demonic force. When
[25:33] Speaker 2: you think about it, there's an old saying, first, you
[25:37] Speaker 2: have prosperity, then you have recessions, then you have depressions,
[25:41] Speaker 2: and then you have war. Now, that model has been
[25:43] Speaker 2: broken up a little bit. One of the ways that
[25:46] Speaker 2: you bring society under control without having massive wars is
[25:51] Speaker 2: to get them all in dissension. And this is what's
[25:55] Speaker 2: going on. It's not only happening between men and women,
[25:58] Speaker 2: but you're seeing even the mind control on sexuality in
[26:03] Speaker 2: terms of who you are. Now, there's nothing wrong with that.
[26:05] Speaker 2: I know a lot of people who have that proclivity
[26:08] Speaker 2: to go one way or another, just they're born that way,
[26:11] Speaker 2: and they had to hide it. So society is at
[26:14] Speaker 2: least becoming more accepted to that, which I think is fine.
[26:18] Speaker 2: But we're seeing other forces come in that are constantly
[26:22] Speaker 2: degrading humanity's self-worth. And this is very coupled to AI.
[26:29] Speaker 2: I would have to say, no matter what, I always
[26:34] Speaker 2: say this, we got to remember, no matter how crazy
[26:37] Speaker 2: it gets, we're all spiritual beings having a physical experience.
[26:42] Speaker 2: I always go there because when you really look at
[26:46] Speaker 2: who we are, we are not ever going to be
[26:49] Speaker 2: like AI. We are emotional, spiritual, responsive beings. and we're
[26:55] Speaker 2: living in genetic, organic bodies. We're not going to be
[27:00] Speaker 2: a machine. The world has always sought to downplay that.
[27:06] Speaker 2: It's always about taxes and getting the status and money
[27:09] Speaker 2: and all that, which there's nothing wrong with that. But
[27:12] Speaker 2: so I think what's happening is humanity, if it can
[27:16] Speaker 2: learn to look within and find inner peace on who
[27:20] Speaker 2: we are. You know, I always say I love the
[27:23] Speaker 2: human race. It's just the people that irritate me. And
[27:25] Speaker 2: when you look at creation, it's divine. I mean, just
[27:29] Speaker 2: look at it. creation, I don't care if it's the ocean,
[27:32] Speaker 2: the fish, the birds, whatever you want, the sky, the clouds,
[27:35] Speaker 2: if you can find them without chemtrails. But you see,
[27:38] Speaker 2: there's my point. There's always been these forces that have
[27:41] Speaker 2: been trying to tear down and destroy humanity. Now we
[27:45] Speaker 2: get into really what I think is going on. There are,
[27:48] Speaker 2: I believe, extraterrestrial and terrestrial beings that have been here
[27:54] Speaker 2: and have been coming here forever. And there's no question,
[27:58] Speaker 2: this is Part of what Disclosure is about, if anybody's
[28:03] Speaker 2: not seen the documentary, The Age of Disclosure, I highly
[28:08] Speaker 2: recommend it. It's amazing. Because you don't just have a
[28:11] Speaker 2: bunch of people out there going, well, I've just seen
[28:13] Speaker 2: a UFO. No, you've got scientists. You have engineers. You
[28:17] Speaker 2: have politicians and military people all coming forward saying, look,
[28:22] Speaker 2: This is not a theory anymore, folks. We are not alone.
[28:26] Speaker 2: And this is coming out more and more and more.
[28:29] Speaker 2: And I think this also has a lot to do
[28:32] Speaker 2: with the astrology that's happening between now and next year. Now,
[28:35] Speaker 2: a lot of people say, well, when these aspects happen,
[28:38] Speaker 2: everything's supposed to be utopia. No, they're marker points that
[28:42] Speaker 2: open up gates of consciousness. So I see one of
[28:47] Speaker 2: the things I love is if you look at the
[28:50] Speaker 2: model of creation, I always show this on my website.
[28:53] Speaker 2: We can't do it right now because of the internet
[28:54] Speaker 2: connection we've got, but I show this model of divinity
[28:59] Speaker 2: and then the first worlds where souls are created. It's
[29:03] Speaker 2: way above astrology. They actually say there's 49 dimensions and
[29:07] Speaker 2: 49 sub-dimensions in that very divine high, what we would
[29:11] Speaker 2: call heaven, it's ruled by very divine angels. They're also
[29:15] Speaker 2: known on the tree of life as the phantom. The seraphim,
[29:20] Speaker 2: the cherubims, and the thrones, and the ark. And then
[29:22] Speaker 2: the next world's down is where many advanced souls come
[29:26] Speaker 2: back to or descend down. And then there's what we
[29:30] Speaker 2: call the creational force. Now, there's an ancient Hebrew text
[29:36] Speaker 2: called the Sefer Yetzirah. Sefer means book. Yetzirah means form. Now,
[29:41] Speaker 2: we go back into a lot of the things that
[29:44] Speaker 2: are mentioned in the Bible, as well as the Bhagavad Gita,
[29:47] Speaker 2: the Egyptian, the Chaldean, the Babylonian, and Greek, and many
[29:51] Speaker 2: other texts where there was a war in heaven. And
[29:55] Speaker 2: the evil spirits were cast down. that many people in
[29:59] Speaker 2: the Western religion will remember the Garden of Eden story.
[30:02] Speaker 2: And there's a specific statement in there I always go to.
[30:05] Speaker 2: Adam and Eve noticed they were closed. Well, that doesn't
[30:10] Speaker 2: mean there were fig leaves over the private parts. What
[30:12] Speaker 2: it means is they were closed in bodies. So what's
[30:16] Speaker 2: interesting to me about that is in physics, quantum physics,
[30:21] Speaker 2: theoretical physics, and many other models that are coming out
[30:25] Speaker 2: right now, The entire physical universes, and we could rightly
[30:31] Speaker 2: say multiverses, if you look at, what is it? Well,
[30:35] Speaker 2: the scientists have come back, well, it's amino acids, it's
[30:37] Speaker 2: this and that, it's gamma rays, and all of it
[30:40] Speaker 2: is energy. And a lot, we don't even know how
[30:43] Speaker 2: to measure. Though I credit science, they're coming up with
[30:45] Speaker 2: a lot of different ways to measure things. but they're
[30:48] Speaker 2: seeing all these amino gas clouds and rotating galaxies. It's
[30:52] Speaker 2: all energy. And what is energy? Well, if you break
[30:56] Speaker 2: it down small enough, so far we know that they're atoms, right?
[31:00] Speaker 2: Positive and negative charges. Well, here's the theory. The evil
[31:05] Speaker 2: spirits might have been forced into causing the physical realms
[31:11] Speaker 2: of creation. In fact, this is actually talked about in
[31:14] Speaker 2: many of the old Kabbalistic texts and Vedantic and Tibetan texts,
[31:19] Speaker 2: which are pretty interesting Buddhist texts, which is literally this
[31:23] Speaker 2: whole physical world. See, they say when we're conceived in
[31:26] Speaker 2: mom's womb, the mother prepares a garment for the soul.
[31:32] Speaker 2: And that garment is what we're sitting in, our bodies.
[31:36] Speaker 2: And what's fascinating is that period of gestation, I think
[31:40] Speaker 2: if you watch on my website, many others talk about this,
[31:45] Speaker 2: the incredible genetics that happens when an animal, child, or
[31:50] Speaker 2: any living thing is conceived. That's all this stuff going on,
[31:54] Speaker 2: building the spine and all the connective tissues and nervous system.
[32:00] Speaker 2: It's beyond incredible. It's, to me, one of the most
[32:03] Speaker 2: amazing things in creation to look at. Well, here's the point.
[32:08] Speaker 2: When we exit mom's womb and the umbilical cord is cut,
[32:11] Speaker 2: we're knocked out. We all got this little mark right here.
[32:14] Speaker 2: We're knocked out. Now, we're living in a conscious. The
[32:19] Speaker 2: conscious mind is actually an attenuator, meaning it actually dumbs
[32:23] Speaker 2: us down. We can't access who we are as the
[32:27] Speaker 2: upper portions of the soul. Now, some people can, some
[32:30] Speaker 2: people are very psychic and intuitive, old souls, they call them,
[32:33] Speaker 2: but we're knocked out. And the little baby in the
[32:36] Speaker 2: crib can't walk, can't talk, they can't even see right away.
[32:42] Speaker 2: They say it takes a finite amount of days. What
[32:44] Speaker 2: that is, I don't know. But what's interesting is now
[32:47] Speaker 2: we're getting wired to our sight, to our bodies. We're
[32:51] Speaker 2: learning how to walk and have dexterity. And of course,
[32:54] Speaker 2: we see the same thing leading us when we get old.
[32:58] Speaker 2: It's like Benjamin Button. You can come in early or late.
[33:02] Speaker 2: But the bottom line is we get wired. And what's
[33:06] Speaker 2: fascinating to me, there was a lady I had on
[33:09] Speaker 2: my podcast a while back. Her name was Laura Hirsch.
[33:13] Speaker 2: And her son was amazing, Trevor. And he is autistic.
[33:19] Speaker 2: And you may have heard of the telepathy tapes. I
[33:21] Speaker 2: mentioned these a lot. The telepathy tapes are stunning. And
[33:25] Speaker 2: this doctor figured out how to get... A device, very simple.
[33:31] Speaker 2: It's called spelling to speech. So what does it mean?
[33:33] Speaker 2: It means these autistic children can learn to talk through
[33:37] Speaker 2: this device like we do because they didn't develop their
[33:42] Speaker 2: brains the same way we did. Well, here's what they're
[33:44] Speaker 2: finding out. We think we're so smart. These kids can
[33:47] Speaker 2: read minds. They can talk to animals. In fact, when
[33:51] Speaker 2: she was on the podcast, she mentioned her son, Trevor,
[33:54] Speaker 2: was at an equine center riding horses. And the horse
[33:58] Speaker 2: told him, that his best friend had just died six
[34:01] Speaker 2: months ago. Well, Trevor had only been going a few months,
[34:04] Speaker 2: so he told his mother that through spelling to speak.
[34:07] Speaker 2: His mother went back to the equine center and says,
[34:09] Speaker 2: was there a horse named such and such that died
[34:12] Speaker 2: about six months? Oh, yeah, yeah, they were inseparable. They
[34:15] Speaker 2: were in the same stall together. And here's what's interesting.
[34:18] Speaker 2: The horse told Trevor, the autistic child that can't speak normally,
[34:23] Speaker 2: the name of the horse that the humans gave. You
[34:27] Speaker 2: think about this, our minds, and this goes full circle
[34:31] Speaker 2: back to the fear right now, fear of AI, fear
[34:34] Speaker 2: of war, fear of this, fear of that. Fear is
[34:36] Speaker 2: one of the most damaging emotions. Now, there's nothing wrong
[34:41] Speaker 2: with fear from the standpoint if you're going to hit
[34:43] Speaker 2: a car, good to fear that, and other things that
[34:47] Speaker 2: protect us. But fear is a very debilitating emotion. And
[34:51] Speaker 2: the mind control that's going on, George Carlin was right.
[34:55] Speaker 2: They beat us over the head every day with a
[34:57] Speaker 2: club telling us what to believe. And the internet has
[35:02] Speaker 2: a lot of great stuff on it, but also has
[35:04] Speaker 2: a lot of disinformation. So we need always to develop
[35:09] Speaker 2: our powers of critical thinking and discernment. And the more
[35:13] Speaker 2: we study the lower conscious mind, which is really what's
[35:17] Speaker 2: forming when a child is born, we're knocked out. We're
[35:21] Speaker 2: literally knocked out. And as we evolve, we all go
[35:24] Speaker 2: to school, right? Learn our programming, the bell rings, get up,
[35:27] Speaker 2: go here, bell rings, sit down. So it's like programming
[35:31] Speaker 2: this whole world. And some of it's okay. But if
[35:37] Speaker 2: you look at even Hollywood, which is now crumbling and
[35:40] Speaker 2: redesigning itself, it's a propaganda machine. Not that there hasn't
[35:45] Speaker 2: been some wonderful movies. But in general, the news and
[35:49] Speaker 2: society itself is a mind control propaganda machine. And now,
[35:56] Speaker 2: full circle, you go back to the bankers at the
[35:58] Speaker 2: top of the pyramid, they've got a monopoly. They're literally
[36:01] Speaker 2: shoveling money into all these different countries. In that book,
[36:05] Speaker 2: I mentioned the Tower of Basel, which is about the
[36:10] Speaker 2: Bank of International Settlements. They literally have people sitting at
[36:15] Speaker 2: the table who are at war with each other. Wow,
[36:17] Speaker 2: we need money. We got to fight these guys. OK,
[36:19] Speaker 2: here's your money. Here's your money. And they borrow money
[36:23] Speaker 2: from both sides of the war. I think it was
[36:26] Speaker 2: Rothschild's book. He said, I make more in one day
[36:30] Speaker 2: of war than I do in a year apiece. And
[36:33] Speaker 2: war makes money. You know who the biggest arms dealer
[36:36] Speaker 2: in the world is? The United States President. They sell
[36:40] Speaker 2: arms to everybody. So I mean, when you think about it,
[36:43] Speaker 2: I mean, the United States manufactures so much weaponry. and
[36:49] Speaker 2: new and unique ways to kill people. The problem is
[36:52] Speaker 2: if you don't have that, you would get infiltrated. You
[36:57] Speaker 2: hear about what the Romans did, and human nature hasn't
[37:00] Speaker 2: changed a hell of a lot since then. They would
[37:02] Speaker 2: go in and sack a city, take the men, women,
[37:05] Speaker 2: and children, and kill them. or take the women and
[37:09] Speaker 2: the money. And it's interesting. I've been studying astrology for
[37:13] Speaker 2: a long time to see how astrology in some of
[37:17] Speaker 2: the historical documents show these wars and how brutal societies
[37:23] Speaker 2: have been subjected to warring armies. And when you think
[37:27] Speaker 2: about it, Humanity itself, you always go back to the
[37:30] Speaker 2: movie Terminator. I always loved the writing that James Cameron did,
[37:36] Speaker 2: particularly in Terminator 2. That was one of my favorite
[37:39] Speaker 2: movies because they really had it down. Where little John
[37:43] Speaker 2: Connor was watching these two kids bang, bang with guns.
[37:51] Speaker 2: The Terminator, Schwarzenegger's character said, it's in your nature to
[37:55] Speaker 2: kill each other or to destroy yourselves. And this is
[38:00] Speaker 2: interesting because in DNA and incarnation, we form in mom's womb.
[38:07] Speaker 2: There are forces of good and evil. In fact, astrology
[38:12] Speaker 2: shows it. I calculate angels that I put on people's pendants.
[38:18] Speaker 2: which are mind-blowing, because you literally take the inner seven
[38:22] Speaker 2: planets in a person's birth chart, and you find that
[38:25] Speaker 2: exact sidereal degree, and you reduce that to a letter.
[38:29] Speaker 2: It's a whole formula you got to use, and I
[38:31] Speaker 2: didn't come up with it. This is ancient knowledge. And
[38:35] Speaker 2: you order them, and you can actually find ancient codes.
[38:40] Speaker 2: They're called ciphers in the Bible and in the writings
[38:43] Speaker 2: and the Psalms that are connected to your soul. And
[38:47] Speaker 2: the religions have done little to shed light on that.
[38:51] Speaker 2: You know, Rome, when they did the Vulgate translations, I
[38:56] Speaker 2: think they destroyed all the old Aramaic, Hebrew, and Coptic
[39:01] Speaker 2: ciphers that were in the original text. Can't make this
[39:04] Speaker 2: stuff up. In the Psalms, there's codes that literally equal
[39:10] Speaker 2: angel names.
[39:12] Speaker 1: I want to go back for a moment to disclosure.
[39:16] Speaker 1: I question any narrative, all information that comes from the government,
[39:21] Speaker 1: our mainstream media. I wonder if part of UFO disclosure
[39:26] Speaker 1: is to establish the new invisible enemy. so that daddy
[39:31] Speaker 1: government will be able to protect us from it. I
[39:34] Speaker 1: know there's multiple layers to this, including the genuine phenomena
[39:39] Speaker 1: that people experience with abductions and contact and UFOs, but
[39:43] Speaker 1: there's also a military industrial layer that That includes military abductions,
[39:48] Speaker 1: exotic technology, reverse engineering, and all kinds of nefarious things.
[39:53] Speaker 1: So it's difficult to gauge where this is coming from.
[39:57] Speaker 1: What do you think is the driving force?
[40:00] Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I don't have a snappy answer
[40:02] Speaker 2: to that one. The only thing I can tell you
[40:05] Speaker 2: is I think we definitely, it might be a lot
[40:08] Speaker 2: more like Men in Black than we know in some
[40:11] Speaker 2: of the more secret layers. There's stuff going on. I've
[40:16] Speaker 2: seen it since the 70s, even the 60s, where reverse
[40:20] Speaker 2: engineered craft, I used to track them. In fact, I
[40:24] Speaker 2: had a guy on my, I can't remember his name now,
[40:27] Speaker 2: I think his name is Peter Stark. He was on
[40:30] Speaker 2: my podcast, and he showed all these reverse engineered crap
[40:34] Speaker 2: that the US government has, and many of the other
[40:38] Speaker 2: countries have them as well. And for some reason, you
[40:41] Speaker 2: would say, we just had Xi and Trump meet today.
[40:44] Speaker 2: You would say, why don't we see more of this? Well,
[40:46] Speaker 2: we kind of do. So many people report Kraft and some, oh,
[40:51] Speaker 2: they're just drones. Swamp gas from Venus. That's another one
[40:54] Speaker 2: they used to use. Remember that one? And there's so
[40:58] Speaker 2: much phenomena going on here. I have had vehicles shut down.
[41:01] Speaker 2: I had a motorcycle completely shut down. Electricity went out.
[41:06] Speaker 2: It's like 1976. Yeah, and it wouldn't start. And we
[41:11] Speaker 2: noticed a craft up above. And in fact, I had
[41:14] Speaker 2: seen one earlier that night. And I used to track
[41:18] Speaker 2: them out. I lived in northern Wisconsin, and I would
[41:21] Speaker 2: see them all over the place. And very interesting. Some
[41:25] Speaker 2: of the shapes that these were, a lot of people
[41:27] Speaker 2: talk about the footballs, the cigar shapes, the triangular craft.
[41:31] Speaker 2: And I saw so many of those. And I've seen
[41:34] Speaker 2: so many crafts, even just recently. I mean, I was
[41:39] Speaker 2: out in Malibu here about probably two years ago, and
[41:42] Speaker 2: I saw this cylinder right along the PCH as I
[41:45] Speaker 2: was riding on a motorcycle. And I've never seen anything
[41:48] Speaker 2: like it. It was like sticking down. It was this
[41:51] Speaker 2: really unusual craft. So there is so much going on here.
[41:55] Speaker 2: And I really think Admiral Byrd, of course, is one example.
[42:00] Speaker 2: He was the admiral who was financed by the United
[42:04] Speaker 2: States government to go down into Antarctica. The stuff he
[42:08] Speaker 2: saw was amazing. Many of the scientists were just dumbfounded.
[42:12] Speaker 2: They couldn't believe the stuff that they saw. There was
[42:15] Speaker 2: a lot of silencing around that. There's so much attention
[42:18] Speaker 2: put on Antarctica, a lot going on down there. The
[42:22] Speaker 2: word was that Admiral Byrd was forced down with his
[42:26] Speaker 2: squadron and told by these beings who live in the
[42:29] Speaker 2: inner earth that, look, we now know you have nuclear weapons.
[42:32] Speaker 2: We watch you blow one off over there in Japan
[42:34] Speaker 2: and do all your tests. And if you ever do
[42:36] Speaker 2: an all-out nuclear exchange, we'll stop it. And people say, OK,
[42:42] Speaker 2: that sounds hopeful. But it's true. I actually did a
[42:45] Speaker 2: study with astrology to see if we could see any
[42:48] Speaker 2: alignments with remote viewing and various phenomena that had happened
[42:53] Speaker 2: with abductions. And one of the things that came across
[42:56] Speaker 2: my desk was the Minot Air Force Base, where the
[43:00] Speaker 2: generals or commanders in there, whichever rank they were, had said,
[43:05] Speaker 2: we had light orbs around certain missile installations and other
[43:10] Speaker 2: things that they had. They said afterwards, everything stopped working.
[43:14] Speaker 2: Circuit boards were blown out, they had to replace a
[43:16] Speaker 2: lot of the equipment. There's been many stories where there's
[43:21] Speaker 2: been crap that had landed in nuclear facilities in Europe
[43:26] Speaker 2: and here that were part of the United States, and
[43:29] Speaker 2: they were shut down right afterwards. There's no question we
[43:33] Speaker 2: are not alone, in my opinion. Also, I really believe
[43:38] Speaker 2: it's kept exceedingly secret And the other thing I got
[43:42] Speaker 2: to go back to, we still have demonic forces. And
[43:45] Speaker 2: I think we have beings jumping dimensions. You know, I
[43:49] Speaker 2: used to tell this story. There was a, I think
[43:52] Speaker 2: it was like 1974, 75. I'm walking down this road
[43:57] Speaker 2: in northern Wisconsin, going up to a friend of mine's house.
[44:00] Speaker 2: And we live way out in the woods. So everything
[44:02] Speaker 2: was half mile away, just to get to anybody, right?
[44:04] Speaker 2: So I'm walking down this road, and it was dusk,
[44:08] Speaker 2: and it was kind of melted snow. It was right
[44:12] Speaker 2: in the springtime. And I heard a crunch, and I
[44:15] Speaker 2: looked over, and I saw this huge guy. I mean,
[44:17] Speaker 2: he had to be eight and a half feet tall,
[44:19] Speaker 2: maybe taller, maybe around. Oh, he's huge. And clearly, people said, Bigfoot. Well,
[44:25] Speaker 2: that's kind of what he looked like to me. Very
[44:27] Speaker 2: large guy, and had white on. Couldn't really make it out. Well,
[44:32] Speaker 2: we both stood there for a second, and he was
[44:35] Speaker 2: quite a distance, probably about maybe 100 yards. He took
[44:38] Speaker 2: off running so fast, and he ended up going into
[44:41] Speaker 2: this thicket across the road. There's no way, I don't
[44:45] Speaker 2: think you could have got a mouse to go through
[44:47] Speaker 2: there without making a sound. And he didn't make any sound. Well, later,
[44:53] Speaker 2: I've been hearing from a lot of folks, they had
[44:56] Speaker 2: similar experiences, and And they see portals open, and these
[45:00] Speaker 2: people go dimensionally through them. So this is my point.
[45:05] Speaker 2: We have a reality structure we all live in. And
[45:08] Speaker 2: it's very real. Drop something on your foot. It's very real.
[45:13] Speaker 2: Don't pay your bills for the month. You'll find out
[45:14] Speaker 2: how real this reality structure is, right? So we're all
[45:19] Speaker 2: living in this perception of reality, which is very real.
[45:22] Speaker 2: But there's other dimensional realities right around us. We only
[45:27] Speaker 2: see with the visual spectrum of the eyes, which is
[45:31] Speaker 2: actually really narrow. We can't see infrared. We can't see
[45:34] Speaker 2: past the visual spectrum of light. Same thing with audibility.
[45:38] Speaker 1: While we're in the realms of high strangeness and possible
[45:42] Speaker 1: non-human entities, I heard you discuss an encounter where you
[45:47] Speaker 1: saw someone's hand shift into a claw. Is that right?
[45:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. Yeah, and I've actually seen people shaped it. Yeah, well,
[45:57] Speaker 2: we were studying an ancient text. It was an old
[46:00] Speaker 2: Aramaic Hebrew text, and the gentleman knew that very well. And,
[46:05] Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to get blamed for any
[46:06] Speaker 2: anti-Semitism thing, but... I really liked the guy, too. But
[46:10] Speaker 2: I saw his hand shift into a claw. And I thought, OK, that's,
[46:15] Speaker 2: you know, just my imagination. Except he noticed that I noticed.
[46:19] Speaker 2: And then he took his hand and he put it
[46:22] Speaker 2: under the table.
[46:23] Speaker 1: Did it have five fingers or less?
[46:25] Speaker 2: You know, that's a good question. I cannot remember. I
[46:30] Speaker 2: think it just shifted into a five finger claw like look.
[46:35] Speaker 2: It was almost like a werewolf type of look. Wow.
[46:39] Speaker 2: Now we get down the rabbit hole. And see, this
[46:41] Speaker 2: is the thing. We hear these rumors, like David Icke.
[46:45] Speaker 2: A lot of people go, oh, David Icke, he's crazy.
[46:47] Speaker 2: I met David many years ago, probably about 30 years ago.
[46:50] Speaker 2: And I think a lot of the things that he's
[46:52] Speaker 2: saying is absolutely being proven right now. Princess Diana. These people,
[46:58] Speaker 2: they don't seem human. And we hear this a lot.
[47:02] Speaker 2: So we do not just have extraterrestrials, we have demonic
[47:05] Speaker 2: forces here, but People always have to remember you have
[47:09] Speaker 2: angelic forces. And believe me, you and I would not
[47:13] Speaker 2: be drawing breath, and nor would anyone else, if the
[47:16] Speaker 2: divinity wasn't shining down. The Vedas actually mention people underground.
[47:23] Speaker 2: There's all kinds of texts in the Vedas, the Upanishads,
[47:27] Speaker 2: and one in particular is the Mahabharata. Absolutely amazing. It
[47:30] Speaker 2: talks about these reptilian people underground. And it specifically talks
[47:36] Speaker 2: about kingdoms and different hierarchies. And I'm like, wow, this
[47:40] Speaker 2: is really wild. And what's fascinating to me is how
[47:45] Speaker 2: this is kept secret. You know, you hear about the
[47:47] Speaker 2: Tartarian stuff. You also hear the rumors that some of
[47:51] Speaker 2: these cities and buildings are much older than they tell
[47:55] Speaker 2: us they are. Particularly in some of your, like San
[47:58] Speaker 2: Francisco and New York and Washington. So there's definitely a
[48:03] Speaker 2: reality structure here going on that's a lot different than
[48:07] Speaker 2: we're told to buy. Not that I don't believe that
[48:12] Speaker 2: there wasn't states coaches and horses and all that, but
[48:15] Speaker 2: there's different timelines and parallels. And when you look at reality,
[48:20] Speaker 2: it's really interesting because our perception is our reality. And
[48:27] Speaker 2: I think there are compartmentalized realities that are parallel and
[48:31] Speaker 2: going on. And proof of that is there's a lot
[48:34] Speaker 2: of people who research that. Carl Jung was one of them.
[48:38] Speaker 2: The other one that I met a long time ago
[48:41] Speaker 2: was Dr. John Mack. I don't know if you've ever
[48:43] Speaker 2: heard of him. He's an interesting guy. He was a psychiatrist.
[48:46] Speaker 2: And we sat out in Malibu. He was staying at
[48:49] Speaker 2: a place that Frank Lloyd Wright had designed up on
[48:53] Speaker 2: Tayuma Road. It's overlooking the city of Malibu, or the
[48:58] Speaker 2: little township of Malibu. And interesting conversation, because he was
[49:04] Speaker 2: really a nice guy and a very intelligent guy. And
[49:07] Speaker 2: he said, you know, I don't believe these people claiming
[49:11] Speaker 2: abductions are lying. He said, I've tested them on psychosis
[49:15] Speaker 2: and all these different modalities that he could come up with.
[49:20] Speaker 2: using a psychiatric model. He said, these people aren't crazy.
[49:23] Speaker 2: They're telling, they believe what they are saying. And his
[49:27] Speaker 2: opinion was, they're telling the truth. So he did notice
[49:31] Speaker 2: a few were more paranoid, et cetera. And then there's
[49:34] Speaker 2: many other people who come along and verify this actually physically. Dr.
[49:40] Speaker 2: Lear was another one. I knew Dr.
[49:43] Speaker 1: Lear.
[49:43] Speaker 2: He was a really nice guy. Him and Lynn Buchanan,
[49:47] Speaker 2: we used to hang out up at Denny's. It was
[49:51] Speaker 2: the MUFON meetings that we went to up at Denny's.
[49:56] Speaker 2: I forget what lodge it was, but it was so
[49:58] Speaker 2: long ago, it was like 25, 30 years ago. And Dr.
[50:01] Speaker 2: Lear was a surgeon who was approached by people who
[50:06] Speaker 2: had had lumps or things in various places of their body,
[50:09] Speaker 2: and he would do surgery on them and take out
[50:13] Speaker 2: literally implants. He'd send them to a lab and get
[50:17] Speaker 2: back data on this that was very scientific and provable
[50:21] Speaker 2: that these are devices that we don't know how to make,
[50:25] Speaker 2: and they couldn't understand what they did. And this has
[50:28] Speaker 2: been verified by many others. And I hear stories about
[50:33] Speaker 2: underground labs. This is so far removed from the average
[50:36] Speaker 2: reality of most people, because we're all living in our
[50:40] Speaker 2: perception of reality. And it's interesting, you see that the
[50:45] Speaker 2: dining room table at holidays where people in your family
[50:51] Speaker 2: will be so polarized in police systems, on politics. and
[50:57] Speaker 2: whatever news channel they listen to. The conscious mind is
[51:02] Speaker 2: really good for us to step out of and just
[51:06] Speaker 2: question our own belief systems, because we all have them.
[51:11] Speaker 2: You see people getting into fights over it, literally, physically.
[51:14] Speaker 2: It's like road rage. He went in front of me.
[51:17] Speaker 2: It's really interesting to look at our psychology Again, remember
[51:24] Speaker 2: that the five senses we have as Incredibles, they're very limited.
[51:30] Speaker 2: I think some of these subjects touch on that. Then
[51:32] Speaker 2: when we get back into what's the forces really driving
[51:36] Speaker 2: the pyramids of control in this world? I think there's
[51:41] Speaker 2: a lot of demonic forces that intertwine with these people,
[51:44] Speaker 2: but I also think they can't go too far. And
[51:48] Speaker 2: that proves divinity. In fact, the Vedas talk about this.
[51:51] Speaker 2: They say there's always fail-safes that God or divinity brings
[51:55] Speaker 2: into reality to keep it from completely imploding, though it
[52:00] Speaker 2: could implode at times. I mean, look at the wars
[52:02] Speaker 2: and the things that go on. The Vedas actually say
[52:06] Speaker 2: that all the universes, and I don't know if it's
[52:09] Speaker 2: at the same time frame, they get destroyed about every 4.3
[52:13] Speaker 2: to 4.6 billion years. And then it never stops. It
[52:17] Speaker 2: just recreates, just keeps going. The gas clouds and all
[52:22] Speaker 2: the raining down of creation and souls never stops, according
[52:27] Speaker 2: to that. What is time? I mean, you think about
[52:29] Speaker 2: the whole elements of time. We don't even know what
[52:32] Speaker 2: time is. The only reason we have time that's structured
[52:36] Speaker 2: is because every day we see the sunrise, we see
[52:38] Speaker 2: it accumulate, we see it set, we see it go
[52:40] Speaker 2: to midnight. And science will tell you, we can measure
[52:44] Speaker 2: that right down to a picosecond or a nanosecond. And
[52:49] Speaker 2: so all measurements are celestial based when you think about it. Everything,
[52:55] Speaker 2: a day, a month, a year, a millennium, they're all
[52:59] Speaker 2: based on celestial aspects. And this is why we have
[53:03] Speaker 2: leap years, is because the calendars don't match. Exactly the,
[53:10] Speaker 2: you could say, astronomical matrix that we're in. And that's
[53:14] Speaker 2: really what astronomy is, or astrology. It is an astronomical
[53:19] Speaker 2: matrix of time. Earth is a time machine. It really is.
[53:23] Speaker 2: It's absolutely a time machine.
[53:26] Speaker 1: You mentioned demons and psychology. I've studied MKUltra a bit.
[53:32] Speaker 1: I've had many MKUltra survivors interviewed on this show. These
[53:38] Speaker 1: groups were intertwining dark occult beliefs with their understanding of
[53:44] Speaker 1: human psychology and mind manipulation. Some of the victims were
[53:50] Speaker 1: even intentionally possessed by some of the rituals that they're doing. Well,
[53:56] Speaker 1: you fast forward to today, I think all the experimentation
[53:59] Speaker 1: from MKUltra was used so that they can have... an
[54:04] Speaker 1: understanding of human psychology beyond anything imaginable, and the means
[54:10] Speaker 1: to intertwine these occult ritualistic aspects into our lives and
[54:17] Speaker 1: possibly have us closer to interacting with demonic forces just
[54:24] Speaker 1: by the things we're doing every day, the things we're
[54:27] Speaker 1: interacting with online. the ease of access to pharmaceuticals and
[54:31] Speaker 1: drugs and the information that's out there.
[54:36] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think there's a lot of that
[54:38] Speaker 2: going on. But again, I go back to there's more
[54:41] Speaker 2: good going on than bad when you really look at it,
[54:44] Speaker 2: because the world and society and functionality wouldn't exist if
[54:48] Speaker 2: it wasn't. But yes, there are some very dark holes.
[54:51] Speaker 2: I actually met Kathy O'Brien. She's a really famous mind control.
[54:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had her on the show.
[54:56] Speaker 2: And we've Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she, well, then you know. Yeah.
[55:01] Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many of them I've met. I mean,
[55:03] Speaker 2: it's really saddening what these people do. They use trauma.
[55:07] Speaker 2: They use deprivation. You know, you watch how they train
[55:10] Speaker 2: a horse or a dog for certain things or an animal.
[55:14] Speaker 2: It's you do what we want. You get the carrot.
[55:16] Speaker 2: You don't. You get the stick. See, so this has
[55:20] Speaker 2: been a modality that's been used, even how they program
[55:23] Speaker 2: slaves to behave and obey. What do you really think
[55:28] Speaker 2: about basic training in the military? It's all about carrot
[55:34] Speaker 2: and stick. This modality of humanity is, again, built into
[55:39] Speaker 2: our psychology. We're always going to seek pleasure. We're going
[55:42] Speaker 2: to avoid pain. Of course, this is how the tax
[55:45] Speaker 2: man works. You pay the taxes, you get to be free.
[55:48] Speaker 2: You don't, we'll put you in a cell and fine
[55:52] Speaker 2: you to death. It's really an interesting dynamic, this planet.
[55:57] Speaker 2: And I really think the Earth is a place where
[56:01] Speaker 2: souls purify and rectify to a number of incarnations. And
[56:06] Speaker 2: everybody is playing a different movie. Shakespeare was right. The
[56:10] Speaker 2: whole world is a stage and we're the actors. And
[56:14] Speaker 2: when you think about it, Look at the diversity of people.
[56:18] Speaker 2: You'll see people who've gone through horrible things like we
[56:20] Speaker 2: were just talking about, but then you see other people,
[56:23] Speaker 2: they have the life of Riley, so to speak. These
[56:26] Speaker 2: people are born into money, and they never work, and
[56:29] Speaker 2: their reality structures are completely... Then you have the other
[56:33] Speaker 2: person who works at some menial task or labor. They're
[56:37] Speaker 2: a cleaning person, or they're doing physical factory labor. So
[56:41] Speaker 2: I mean, every reality is going on on this planet.
[56:45] Speaker 2: It's really, I call it the soul cauldron. And in
[56:48] Speaker 2: my opinion, it really is. I mean, you look at
[56:50] Speaker 2: the different reality structures that are going on and have
[56:54] Speaker 2: gone on throughout time. And the Rosicrucians are very interesting. They,
[57:02] Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard of that whole thing,
[57:04] Speaker 2: but there's many secret societies. And the Rosicrucians believe that
[57:08] Speaker 2: there's waves and waves of souls that pass through here
[57:13] Speaker 2: by either reincarnating a number of times, and then they
[57:17] Speaker 2: move on to other realms and dimensions. Now, this is interesting,
[57:21] Speaker 2: because the Vedantic, as well as the Kabbalistic stuff, say
[57:25] Speaker 2: the exact same thing. Some of the rabbinical texts are stunning.
[57:30] Speaker 2: They actually say there's hundreds of planets just like this one.
[57:34] Speaker 2: And one of the things that's been surfacing lately on
[57:37] Speaker 2: a lot of podcasts that I've been hearing is the
[57:39] Speaker 2: Nag Hammadi Library. I don't know if you've heard of that.
[57:43] Speaker 2: But that is, of course, stuff all about the Enochian stuff,
[57:48] Speaker 2: the book of Enoch, and then also they're talking about
[57:55] Speaker 2: the archives, right? which I think is very limiting compared
[58:00] Speaker 2: to how complex it just might be. It's beyond what
[58:02] Speaker 2: anyone knows. But this is actually talked about in the
[58:06] Speaker 2: ancient Egyptian, Babylonian, and rabbinical texts, where the sepharoths on
[58:12] Speaker 2: the tree of life, astrologers call them planets, are literally
[58:16] Speaker 2: not just rocks out there floating around with masses and
[58:19] Speaker 2: gases and all that stuff, but they're literally dimensional realms.
[58:23] Speaker 2: that are outside of this perception of reality. And when
[58:27] Speaker 2: we exit the body known as death, and I guarantee you,
[58:30] Speaker 2: every one of us will leave these bodies. It's a
[58:33] Speaker 2: matter of when. Some of us will die old. Some
[58:35] Speaker 2: of us will die in the next 10 minutes in
[58:37] Speaker 2: a car accident. We don't know. Look at these poor
[58:40] Speaker 2: young people that pass away from whatever it is. You
[58:43] Speaker 2: hear it every day on the news. So the point is,
[58:46] Speaker 2: and we hear it in our lives, so the real
[58:49] Speaker 2: game is your consciousness. And they talk about This particular
[58:54] Speaker 2: world is a soul trap. They want to keep you
[58:58] Speaker 2: reincarnated because they play off the fear. They play off
[59:01] Speaker 2: the anger. They play off all the emotions. If you
[59:05] Speaker 2: look at a human being, how much energy we generate,
[59:08] Speaker 2: it's stunning. I mean, put yourself under the covers, and
[59:13] Speaker 2: you heat up the whole bed. I mean, that's one
[59:16] Speaker 2: example only. But I mean, we generate not only physical energy,
[59:20] Speaker 2: but a lot of psychic and emotional energy. They actually
[59:24] Speaker 2: say our auric field might extend out in layers up
[59:28] Speaker 2: to eight feet. And that's just what we know. And
[59:33] Speaker 2: when you think about consciousness and thought, you know, think
[59:37] Speaker 2: about what is thought? Well, the third eye chakra emits
[59:42] Speaker 2: thoughts from what we call elementals. I always mention this book.
[59:45] Speaker 2: It's one of my favorites. It's called the Magus of Stroblos.
[59:48] Speaker 2: And he speaks specifically about the powers of thought. And,
[59:52] Speaker 2: of course, many people who play around with magic are
[59:55] Speaker 2: focusing on magic. Creating more power. The Tibetan lamas would
[59:59] Speaker 2: train some of their disciples up in the mountains. They
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: would actually train them on powers of focus and they
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: would create elementals around them. And the lamas would go
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: down into the city and people would feel it. You
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: can see that on certain people. Certain people, they have
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: really powerful orange fields. And of course, in business, we
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: usually find very forceful people. They have a lot of push, right?
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: Shows up in astrology really accurately. When you see in
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: your Vedic birth chart certain yogas and aspects, They're amazing.
[1:00:35] Speaker 2: And I see them all the time. And when you
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: see weak ones, you see the same thing. You see
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: someone who's really physically impaired or they are living a
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: life with some type of disease or impairment physically. They
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: can't walk or something. And you can also see when
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: these progressions come in, this stuff happens. It's absolutely stunning.
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: We are in, I always say, forget Trinity, Neo, and Morpheus.
[1:01:01] Speaker 2: This is really a matrix. that these celestial spheres that
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: we call planets interact with each one of us uniquely.
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: And after death, they say certain souls will migrate into
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: these other planetary sephiric dimensions until either reincarnation or evolution.
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: And I really believe that we keep reincarnating until two
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: things happen. One is the dissipation of interconnected karmas that
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: link us. You think about DNA. DNA is something not
[1:01:39] Speaker 2: too many people understand. I certainly don't. Sir Francis Crick
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: and Watson are the guys credited with the Nobel Peace
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: Prize of the genetic code. Remember, they broke that. All
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: the senators, we're going to know everything. I think it
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: was Sir Francis Crick stood up. He just died a
[1:01:57] Speaker 2: while ago. He stood up and said, maybe in 1,000 years,
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: we'll understand even remotely to what's really going on with
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: the complexities of genetics. Now, people today, they're splicing genes.
[1:02:12] Speaker 2: They're coming up with ways to cure diseases. And I
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: think that AI is going to help that, too. I
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: really do. Because it's taking data and new ways of
[1:02:20] Speaker 2: looking at things and models that are really going to
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: help medicine and breakthroughs. But on the other hand, what's
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: interesting is it's all coded. from the karmas of the soul.
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: This is where Vedic and Nadi astrology and the Kalashakra
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: Darsha systems come together. And it's really quite amazing because
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: if you think about it, We all look a little
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: bit like our parents or maybe some relative connected to
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: our parents. Some people don't, but most do. You can
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: take genetics and connect the uniqueness that no one else has.
[1:03:00] Speaker 2: They do it, of course, in crime. The odds of
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: anyone having the exact same genetic code is not too likely.
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: That's why DNA is being used in court systems now
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: to figure out crimes. Now, how does that relate to astrology?
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: And how does that relate to incarnation? Well, now you
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: go into the principles behind Vedic astrology, which is really
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: called Jyotisha. They actually say our soul roots are trapped
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: down in this yet-seratic dimension of reincarnation. And the theory was,
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: and it's eerily close to the Garden of Eden story,
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: but much more complex, and that is the soul's fragmented nature.
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: into like a shower of fragments coming down into the
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: physical realms of time and space. Because when you think
[1:03:51] Speaker 2: about these genetic bodies, they are garments or vehicles for
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: us to experience time and space. When you die or
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: you have an out-of-body experience or you ask for travel,
[1:04:05] Speaker 2: you are outside of this dimension. And this is stuff
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: that I think is going to become more and more
[1:04:12] Speaker 2: apparent to us as time goes on, because we are
[1:04:15] Speaker 2: moving into a new age here over the next couple
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: of hundred years. I don't think we're in the age
[1:04:21] Speaker 2: of Aquarius yet. I think we're going to get there
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: about 200 something years from now. And I think the
[1:04:27] Speaker 2: Hebrew calendar might be pretty damn accurate. When that hits 6,000,
[1:04:32] Speaker 2: that might be when we really are close to the
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: Aquarian age entrance.
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: I'd be so interested to see where human awareness is
[1:04:43] Speaker 1: in 10, 15 years from now, how our consciousness will evolve.
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: Like you said, I think there are some incredibly amazing
[1:04:52] Speaker 1: things happening right now, some wonderful things. I look outside
[1:04:56] Speaker 1: my window, I go outside and interact with people, and
[1:04:59] Speaker 1: it's the best experience ever. I don't come into contact.
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: With that much negativity in my everyday life until I
[1:05:06] Speaker 1: look online or I turn on the TV or listen
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: to something that's being broadcasted. And that's when all the
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: terrible stuff starts to seep in. But like you said,
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: it's about our perception about what we're focusing on in
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: our life. And we essentially can guide what direction we're
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: going to go. To close out, what... time period should
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: we be on the lookout for? I know you mentioned
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: 2028 earlier. Would that be an important period to keep
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: an eye on?
[1:05:35] Speaker 2: Well, the one that's really interesting is what's coming right up.
[1:05:40] Speaker 2: Literally on October 3rd this year, coming right up, weeks away,
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: we have Venus stationing and going retrograde. Now, people may say, okay,
[1:05:51] Speaker 2: so what? Well, that's called The ancient legend of Lucifer falling. See, Venus,
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: when it goes retrograde, which is only every couple of years,
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: it's not like Mercury. Mercury is also going to go
[1:06:03] Speaker 2: retrograde right in there, too. I forget when exactly that is,
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: but Mercury will go retrograde. I think it's right in
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: the first week of, it might be right around the 23rd.
[1:06:14] Speaker 2: I can't remember. But it's coming right up. But when
[1:06:18] Speaker 2: Venus goes retrograde, this is the one I'm talking about.
[1:06:20] Speaker 2: That's October 3rd. And you might say, so what? So
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: Venus goes retrograde throughout history many times. So it's doing
[1:06:30] Speaker 2: it in what we call an inferior retrograde age, which
[1:06:35] Speaker 2: means it's happening in between the Earth and the sun.
[1:06:38] Speaker 2: That's called an inferior conjunction when it aligns up with
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: the Earth. That's exactly on October 23rd. Now, the inferior
[1:06:46] Speaker 2: conjunctions were known by the ancients as much more dangerous.
[1:06:49] Speaker 2: Accidents and weird stuff can happen. Also, violence can happen.
[1:06:54] Speaker 2: And this is going to push a lot of things
[1:06:56] Speaker 2: going on with this whole war in Russia and Iran.
[1:06:59] Speaker 2: And look at all the stuff we've got going on.
[1:07:01] Speaker 2: A lot of things changing here. Look at Cuba. Look
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: at Greenland just got brought in the fold. Canada, you've
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: got a lot of dissension. On the United States, Donald Trump,
[1:07:13] Speaker 2: The president has the south node, which is also known
[1:07:17] Speaker 2: as K2, joining his Mars exactly when Venus retrograde aligns
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: with the Earth. That's October 23rd. You might say, okay,
[1:07:28] Speaker 2: so what? We could see some real events here that
[1:07:31] Speaker 2: are forced upon him. Now, many psychics and intuitives said,
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: Trump's going to get killed, never going to finish his
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: second term, right? And I keep looking at charts saying, no,
[1:07:42] Speaker 2: he may have a challenge at that time, whether we
[1:07:45] Speaker 2: get to hear about it or not on the mind
[1:07:46] Speaker 2: control news is another factor. But I really believe that's
[1:07:50] Speaker 2: going to be a real pivotal time in Trump's presidency. Why?
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: Because K2, which is the moon's south node eclipse point, see,
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: Rahu is the north node, also known as the head
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: of the dragon, K2 is the south node. They go
[1:08:04] Speaker 2: around all of our birth charts about every 18.5 years.
[1:08:09] Speaker 2: Everybody will experience that. In fact, It's a major change
[1:08:14] Speaker 2: in life for everyone. But this one is significant to
[1:08:17] Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Why? A, he's the president. B, a lot
[1:08:20] Speaker 2: of stuff happening in the world right now. And the
[1:08:22] Speaker 2: inferior conjunction of Venus lines up with the Earth. That's
[1:08:27] Speaker 2: called the conjunction with the Earth. And we'll see it
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: as an alignment with the sun. So when that happens,
[1:08:35] Speaker 2: that's exactly when the south node eclipse points joins Donald
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: Trump's Mars. That's very dangerous, by the Very, very dangerous.
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: In fact, the ancient legend, the Mayans talked about this
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: as well. When Venus goes retrograde in an inferior conjuncture
[1:08:52] Speaker 2: between the Earth and the Sun, they always hid the emperors.
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: They would hide them because they said this is a
[1:08:57] Speaker 2: very dangerous time. The king could be killed. The ancient
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: legend was, it's called the Quetzalcoatl legend. That's one of
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: them that survived. And that is the, there would be
[1:09:08] Speaker 2: some atrocious act committed. And then they would find that
[1:09:12] Speaker 2: this would, the person would have to go into the underworld.
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: You see? That's the metaphor. So this is a very
[1:09:18] Speaker 2: powerful time for Donald Trump and this country, as that
[1:09:22] Speaker 2: Mars comes over the top, or I should say, K2
[1:09:25] Speaker 2: comes over, it's Mars. And again, the inferior conjunction of
[1:09:30] Speaker 2: Venus is going to happen to everybody. And depending on
[1:09:32] Speaker 2: where it happens in your birth chart, this is very powerful.
[1:09:36] Speaker 2: So you got to look at where does that happen. Now,
[1:09:39] Speaker 2: it'll be happening actually in sidereal Leo. But if you're
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: a tropical chart, it will be in sidereal Libra. It
[1:09:53] Speaker 2: will not happen. I forget where it's happening. It's going
[1:09:57] Speaker 2: to be in Libra, actually. It'll be in late sidereal
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: Virgo in the sidereal chart, and in tropical, it will
[1:10:05] Speaker 2: be in Libra. Powerful stuff.
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: RAOUL PAL, MD, So right down this level this month.
[1:10:12] Speaker 2: LESLIE KENDRICK Yeah. And watch driving. You know, I mean,
[1:10:17] Speaker 2: we find that accidents, weird stuff happens, maritime stuff can happen.
[1:10:23] Speaker 2: So it is happening in an air tribe. So an
[1:10:26] Speaker 2: air always is very igniting. So we'll see what happens.
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: That's one of the short term. Right on.
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: Jeff, as usual, great discussion. Before I let you go,
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: remind everyone how they can get more of you.
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: MIKE GREEN Yeah, the best way is jeff at jeffhartman.com.
[1:10:44] Speaker 2: You email if someone wants a reading or I also
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: have some really amazing gemstones right now. We've been actually
[1:10:50] Speaker 2: getting the prices lower because some of these things are
[1:10:52] Speaker 2: really expensive. And I have a lot of clients who
[1:10:56] Speaker 2: buy really expensive gemstones. And that's great if you can
[1:10:59] Speaker 2: afford it. And they are powerful. They definitely have more power.
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[1:11:05] Speaker 2: rest of us so that people can afford things and
[1:11:08] Speaker 2: get the Benefit gems, they have a very subtle power.
[1:11:13] Speaker 2: They're like thoughts. You don't know that they're working, but
[1:11:16] Speaker 2: they do work. It's like astrology itself. A lot of
[1:11:21] Speaker 2: people poo-poo astrology. How can you prove it? Well, the
[1:11:25] Speaker 2: proof is in seeing the cycles that go on in
[1:11:28] Speaker 2: people's lives. Absolutely amazing. I know I've seen health issues,
[1:11:33] Speaker 2: financial issues, relationship issues. All these things happen. in cycles
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: that we all experience. And some of them can be wonderful.
[1:11:42] Speaker 2: And everyone is unique. Everyone is unique. Our astrology is
[1:11:49] Speaker 2: as unique as your DNA. It's the same thing in
[1:11:52] Speaker 2: a lot of ways. But very interesting. Right on, Jeff.
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: I will have all your links easily accessible for everyone
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