# Chance Garton | The Tartaria Psyop? Investigating Old World Myths & Conspiracies

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 18 Jul 2026, 1 h 28 min.

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## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Hello friends, I am jumping on here before this episode
[0:03] Speaker 1: to issue a trigger warning. In this episode, Chance presents
[0:08] Speaker 1: evidence that the current narratives about Tartaria and the surrounding
[0:13] Speaker 1: conspiracies may be extremely misunderstood and many aspects are being fabricated.
[0:20] Speaker 1: If you've listened to this show for any significant amount
[0:23] Speaker 1: of time, you note that I cover all possibilities surrounding
[0:27] Speaker 1: any given topic. I give all sides a chance to
[0:30] Speaker 1: present evidence, and you, the audience, can decide for yourselves.
[0:35] Speaker 1: I think Chance has done some very compelling research and
[0:39] Speaker 1: he presents a great argument against some of the current
[0:42] Speaker 1: Tartaria conspiracies. But either way, it's a fun episode myself
[0:47] Speaker 1: and Chance encourages all researchers to challenge this information as well.
[0:53] Speaker 1: Enjoy the episode. I think it's just going to get
[0:57] Speaker 1: weirder and weirder and weirder, and finally, it's going to
[1:00] Speaker 1: be so weird that people are going to have to
[1:03] Speaker 1: talk about how weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden
[1:07] Speaker 1: Knowledge News. I'm your host, Chris Matthew. Today my guest
[1:11] Speaker 1: is Chance Garden. Be sure and check out our new
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[1:25] Speaker 1: upcoming guests, The Deep Ponder, Darren Lamarino, and Scott Pace.
[1:31] Speaker 1: Be on the lookout for those. Check out my films
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[1:42] Speaker 1: you have suggestions or you'd like to be a guest,
[1:45] Speaker 1: email me Forbidden Knowledge Neews at gmail dot com. Today
[1:48] Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Chance Garten.
[1:51] Speaker 1: He is host of The Innerverse podcast, a show dedicated
[1:54] Speaker 1: to empowering your perspective to help you stay in the
[1:57] Speaker 1: flow of perpetual synchronous Chance, welcome back.
[2:01] Speaker 2: How you doing, Hey, Chris, It's good to see again. Brother.
[2:05] Speaker 1: It's great to see you man. Always enjoy our discussions. Today,
[2:09] Speaker 1: you wanted to share your research into what has become
[2:12] Speaker 1: an extremely popular topic in the conspiracy realms. The Tartarian Empire,
[2:18] Speaker 1: essentially an advanced Old World civilization that may have existed,
[2:23] Speaker 1: maybe even less than a couple of centuries ago, that
[2:26] Speaker 1: was intentionally destroyed by the evil ruling class of that time.
[2:31] Speaker 1: Apparently with a shit ton of mud. Of all things,
[2:34] Speaker 1: I find this topic to be extremely entertaining and I've
[2:38] Speaker 1: done a few shows about the possibilities, and if you know,
[2:41] Speaker 1: this show, I cover all sides of the argument, including
[2:45] Speaker 1: the possibility that it may be all fake and gay.
[2:50] Speaker 1: I do like entertaining all angles of this. It's all
[2:53] Speaker 1: a big puzzle trying to put this together. This episode
[2:57] Speaker 1: may trigger the Tartaria.
[2:58] Speaker 3: Guys, but this is what will Man, definitely will. That's
[3:03] Speaker 3: what this show is all about.
[3:04] Speaker 1: Man presenting all the possibilities, and you, the audience, get
[3:07] Speaker 1: to decide for yourself before we get into it, though,
[3:11] Speaker 1: remind us a little bit about yourself. For those that
[3:14] Speaker 1: may not be familiar, let them know how they can
[3:16] Speaker 1: find more of your content.
[3:18] Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, my name is Chance Garton. You can
[3:20] Speaker 2: find me at Interverse podcast dot com. And yeah, thank
[3:24] Speaker 2: you for that great setup. Because it is an entertaining
[3:27] Speaker 2: subject and yeah, oh my god, I have to be
[3:31] Speaker 2: upfront with a few things about it. I have never
[3:34] Speaker 2: received as much hate as I have got for questioning
[3:40] Speaker 2: the Tartaria old World reset theory. I'm to say more
[3:44] Speaker 2: than flat earth people. This is not hyperbole, dude. I
[3:47] Speaker 2: received more hate for this in the last two weeks,
[3:50] Speaker 2: and I've just been doing it for I've only had
[3:52] Speaker 2: two episodes published about it. Oh, I've received more hate,
[3:56] Speaker 2: more crazy, spiteful, mean, really me comments then I received
[4:02] Speaker 2: from not wearing a mask during Cooties, Like it's they're
[4:05] Speaker 2: worse than the Cooties people. I'm not saying everybody in
[4:09] Speaker 2: that community is this bad, but certain people cannot handle
[4:15] Speaker 2: having this narrative question. And I have no real way
[4:18] Speaker 2: to reckon why that is except that there's some kind
[4:22] Speaker 2: of like cult element to it. Not an organized cult
[4:25] Speaker 2: per se, but it functions kind of in a cult
[4:28] Speaker 2: like fashion in the belief system of it, especially because
[4:32] Speaker 2: a lot of cults require the dismissal of what you
[4:36] Speaker 2: can see with your own eyes, the evidence that's right
[4:38] Speaker 2: in front of you. You have to able to ignore
[4:41] Speaker 2: reality to have your belief system. With most cults, religions,
[4:45] Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. And I also want to
[4:48] Speaker 2: say upfront, I used to be one of the people
[4:52] Speaker 2: entertained by the Tartaria Old World reset theory and entertained
[4:57] Speaker 2: it as an idea for a long time. I'm not
[4:59] Speaker 2: like coming at this because I just, you know, as
[5:04] Speaker 2: the claims have been made against me. I'm a mason,
[5:07] Speaker 2: I'm a shilli, I'm a chill for the mainstream historical record.
[5:11] Speaker 2: How much are they paying you? I'm like, just please
[5:14] Speaker 2: tell me where to apply. I would love to be
[5:16] Speaker 2: paid because this is a lot of work.
[5:18] Speaker 3: You really just work for the Smithsonian.
[5:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got people raging at me. I've got people
[5:24] Speaker 2: sad with me, like you know, how, how why are
[5:27] Speaker 2: you changing? Like yeah, what what bring back the vibes
[5:31] Speaker 2: the old you? And I'm like, this has been two
[5:34] Speaker 2: episodes in a history of me doing this podcast for
[5:37] Speaker 2: like a decade, so nothing is gone anywhere. It's just
[5:40] Speaker 2: what I've been interested in lately. I'm just interested in
[5:43] Speaker 2: getting to the bottom of things, finding the truth about stuff,
[5:46] Speaker 2: and if that means I have to change my mind,
[5:48] Speaker 2: I'm actually stoked to change my mind about something. And
[5:51] Speaker 2: that's what has happened with this whole uh Tartaria Old
[5:54] Speaker 2: World Reset thing. I I used to consider myself research
[6:00] Speaker 2: on the topic, but in reality, all I'd done was
[6:03] Speaker 2: watch YouTube videos on the topic and had a few
[6:05] Speaker 2: interviews with people who make YouTube videos about the topic.
[6:09] Speaker 2: So I don't even know what got into my mind.
[6:12] Speaker 2: To start. Look. I guess it's because the show I
[6:15] Speaker 2: do called The Inner World with my co host Dylan,
[6:18] Speaker 2: who's very spicy. We you know, we get audience members
[6:23] Speaker 2: giving us ideas for things they want to have us
[6:26] Speaker 2: look into. And one of my audience supporters on Patreon
[6:30] Speaker 2: sent me an archive of the construction photos of the
[6:33] Speaker 2: World's Fair in Chicago. And this is an archive of
[6:36] Speaker 2: like seven hundred plus photos. And she was pointing out
[6:40] Speaker 2: to me that this is stuff that is ignored or
[6:44] Speaker 2: cherry picked or misinterpreted by the tartaria theory, and that
[6:48] Speaker 2: I should look into it. And I was like, Okay,
[6:50] Speaker 2: I'll look into it. So I did a massive deep
[6:53] Speaker 2: dive into the Chicago eighteen ninety three World's Fair, and
[6:57] Speaker 2: I looked for primary sources, not like history books or
[7:01] Speaker 2: mainstream narrative or Wikipedia. I found that most of the
[7:05] Speaker 2: content creators in this space, they don't really go past
[7:07] Speaker 2: Wikipedia in terms of what they are, who they're debating with.
[7:12] Speaker 2: And this is the age of This is the age
[7:16] Speaker 2: of AI assisted search. So that means not that I
[7:19] Speaker 2: write up what I'm you know, taking notes on with AI,
[7:23] Speaker 2: but I use it to be able to search archives
[7:25] Speaker 2: in a way that Google Search is not able to do.
[7:28] Speaker 2: And then once I get there, I still have to
[7:30] Speaker 2: come through records. I spent like two hours this afternoon
[7:32] Speaker 2: looking for newspaper records on a insane Asylum from Independence,
[7:36] Speaker 2: Iowa in eighteen sixty eight. Like it was a pain
[7:40] Speaker 2: in the ass, And I found the newspapers and eventually,
[7:44] Speaker 2: like you know, we're kind of jumping around here and
[7:45] Speaker 2: we can get into more specifics. There's a lot to
[7:47] Speaker 2: talk about. It's almost more interesting to talk about the
[7:50] Speaker 2: psychology of the movement than it is to talk about
[7:53] Speaker 2: the evidence, because the evidence requires that it's presented, which
[7:56] Speaker 2: I could do in some specific case.
[7:58] Speaker 1: Well, I was going to ask you about the psychology
[8:01] Speaker 1: essentially why it's so popular right now. You were mentioning
[8:04] Speaker 1: how they are very aggressive and they get very angry
[8:09] Speaker 1: at people who question their narratives. That seems to be
[8:13] Speaker 1: the case with a lot of the conspiratorial rabbit holes
[8:17] Speaker 1: that have become popular lately. Why do you think this
[8:22] Speaker 1: tartaria is popping up now in the zeitgeist and becoming
[8:26] Speaker 1: really popular for people.
[8:28] Speaker 2: Well, and it has been popular for at least like
[8:30] Speaker 2: five or six years, right, I don't know exactly where
[8:35] Speaker 2: it started in the modern popularity concept of it. I have,
[8:40] Speaker 2: I have intentions to try to trace this all back
[8:43] Speaker 2: to its source in terms of where this is coming from. Yeah,
[8:46] Speaker 2: but I haven't done the deep dive on that yet.
[8:47] Speaker 2: I've been too busy finding the building archives and construction
[8:52] Speaker 2: records and the literal fucking receipts like who paid what
[8:55] Speaker 2: and how much and when? Like the I have the receipts,
[8:59] Speaker 2: like actual receipts, you know. So you know, we could
[9:02] Speaker 2: talk about what all that means. But what you just
[9:04] Speaker 2: pointed out is the key, Like you nailed it, the
[9:07] Speaker 2: psychology aspect of this, and it doesn't just apply to
[9:10] Speaker 2: the Tartaria old world thing. This is something we all
[9:13] Speaker 2: need to get into our awareness about ourselves, especially in
[9:17] Speaker 2: contrarian based, truth oriented truth seeking types of spaces or communities. Right, So,
[9:24] Speaker 2: early conspiracy culture, you know, kind of before my time,
[9:28] Speaker 2: even although maybe I was on the tail end of
[9:30] Speaker 2: it as a thirty seven year old millennial, But there
[9:33] Speaker 2: was a time when conspiracy culture was a lonely culture, yes,
[9:39] Speaker 2: you know, right, like you were doing this on your own, right,
[9:43] Speaker 2: And now we've come to a point where conspiracy culture
[9:46] Speaker 2: has actually become a culture with communities and sub communities,
[9:49] Speaker 2: and you know, we have a very different game. Conspiracies
[9:53] Speaker 2: used to be something that would actually highly degrade your
[9:58] Speaker 2: social credibility, your social acceptance, right, and you know, in
[10:03] Speaker 2: one group or another that's still true depending on relative
[10:07] Speaker 2: beliefs of different subcultures. But now there are entire internet communities,
[10:11] Speaker 2: they have meetups, they have conferences in person even, and
[10:16] Speaker 2: what we've seen is that there's a new there's several
[10:20] Speaker 2: depending on the lane, there's several new orthodoxies that have
[10:23] Speaker 2: been created around different contrarian conspiratorial ideas. And the fact is,
[10:31] Speaker 2: you know, this Tartara thing is not unique in it,
[10:33] Speaker 2: but it's one example is that they the people here,
[10:37] Speaker 2: have literally done the very thing that they seemingly are against,
[10:41] Speaker 2: which is they have created a new orthodoxy to replace
[10:45] Speaker 2: the one that they don't like and now made a
[10:48] Speaker 2: false binary where it's like our thing and it's in
[10:52] Speaker 2: the aggregate, our our community is the right thing, and
[10:56] Speaker 2: then like everybody else is wrong, which is exactly the
[10:59] Speaker 2: same kind of bullshit that the mainstream, mainstream now whatever
[11:06] Speaker 2: you want to call it, right, the mainstream that they
[11:08] Speaker 2: rail against. And here's the truth of the matter. Both
[11:11] Speaker 2: sides of this fake binary have some stuff right and
[11:15] Speaker 2: both have lots wrong, totally right. So as soon as
[11:19] Speaker 2: you're like a Tartaria person and this is happening to me,
[11:24] Speaker 2: I can show all of the documents, the physical archives,
[11:28] Speaker 2: the scanned scanned images of books that are falling apart,
[11:33] Speaker 2: newspapers from the nineteenth century, everything left, right and center,
[11:36] Speaker 2: all these different primary sources where there are physical copies
[11:40] Speaker 2: of this artifact and multiple places around the world, and
[11:43] Speaker 2: they corroborate the same story with each other about how
[11:46] Speaker 2: building X, Y or Z was created and the whole
[11:49] Speaker 2: story behind it. And you'll get, like, you know, the
[11:52] Speaker 2: response you'll get is this is kind of a therapy
[11:55] Speaker 2: session for me. I'm sorry, I've been really going through it.
[11:57] Speaker 2: The response you'll get is like, you, we wouldn't come
[12:02] Speaker 2: to you if we just wanted you to read the
[12:05] Speaker 2: history books back to us. I'm like, this is not
[12:07] Speaker 2: a there's a difference between a history book and a
[12:10] Speaker 2: primary source. History book is a secondary source. A primary
[12:14] Speaker 2: source is the physical artifact of a document with an
[12:17] Speaker 2: inscription or a print or whatever the case may be,
[12:19] Speaker 2: but it exists. It's in a box, it's in a
[12:22] Speaker 2: State Archives building somewhere, And these things are a very
[12:26] Speaker 2: different set of evidence than Wikipedia page, mainstream narrative, the
[12:32] Speaker 2: aggregate story, right, especially like when you think of the
[12:36] Speaker 2: World's Fair in Chicago there, you know, the story behind
[12:40] Speaker 2: that is that for Tartaria people, is that these buildings
[12:43] Speaker 2: already existed. They were dug out of the mud by
[12:47] Speaker 2: workers who never told anybody that they dug it out
[12:49] Speaker 2: of the mud. You know, we're thinking, like thousands of
[12:52] Speaker 2: people worked on this, nobody set a peep, right, giant conspiracy.
[12:56] Speaker 2: Everybody kept quiet. That's incredible in and of itself. Well,
[13:00] Speaker 2: what I found. One of the things I found that
[13:03] Speaker 2: convinced me that they really built it was there are
[13:05] Speaker 2: engineering journals and scientific magazines from the time that I
[13:09] Speaker 2: mean tons and tons of them, and they're showing expenses.
[13:13] Speaker 2: They're talking about how many like train cars of material x,
[13:17] Speaker 2: y or z is coming into the site per day.
[13:20] Speaker 2: They're giving the engineering mathematical calculations on structural integrity factors
[13:27] Speaker 2: for different buildings. You know, this was an event of
[13:31] Speaker 2: massive interest to the professional community of engineers at the time,
[13:37] Speaker 2: and you know people have said to me print media
[13:40] Speaker 2: back then it's just like TV of today. I'm like, Okay,
[13:44] Speaker 2: you're not wrong about that, especially newspapers. I wouldn't stand
[13:48] Speaker 2: on like a newspaper article being proof of anything. But
[13:52] Speaker 2: when you bring all of it together and the aggregate,
[13:54] Speaker 2: you have to you know, I've found plenty of newspaper
[13:56] Speaker 2: articles where it seems like the guy's just making shit up.
[14:00] Speaker 2: I won't be afraid to say that when I see it.
[14:02] Speaker 2: But the fact that there are all these and I
[14:04] Speaker 2: found the scan copies, I found several locations that claim
[14:08] Speaker 2: to hold these as physical records, libraries, collections, et cetera.
[14:12] Speaker 2: On multiple continents, not even just in the United States.
[14:16] Speaker 2: This was a worldwide phenomenon. People traveled to the United
[14:20] Speaker 2: States to go to this fair and fairs like it
[14:22] Speaker 2: when it happened. So, you know, I'm not saying it
[14:25] Speaker 2: wasn't crazy. There's a legitimate feeling of how is this possible?
[14:29] Speaker 2: When you look at that, and we could talk about,
[14:32] Speaker 2: you know, the legitimate feelings of the community too. I'm
[14:35] Speaker 2: not going to dismiss that. But the fact is, how
[14:38] Speaker 2: many librarians and archivists would and editors of magazines and journals, like,
[14:45] Speaker 2: how many people would be in on it to fake.
[14:48] Speaker 2: This is a good question. You could say, Oh, well,
[14:51] Speaker 2: they didn't actually go and see it themselves. They're just
[14:54] Speaker 2: getting like they're talking points sent to them or whatever.
[14:57] Speaker 2: And you know, I can't I I can't know how
[15:00] Speaker 2: these things got written right. But this is the example
[15:04] Speaker 2: of primary sources that are numerous and like all over
[15:09] Speaker 2: the place and tell the same story with one another.
[15:13] Speaker 2: And I know that won't be enough to convince somebody.
[15:15] Speaker 2: I'm not here to convince anybody, you know. That's why
[15:18] Speaker 2: maybe the psychology question is more interesting. I've even what's
[15:21] Speaker 2: funny is before this happened, I even stumbled on an
[15:25] Speaker 2: epiphany about how this psychology came about in the first place,
[15:29] Speaker 2: and it traces back to the inception of Christianity and
[15:34] Speaker 2: the Holy Roman Empire.
[15:36] Speaker 1: I do want to get to some of the evidence
[15:38] Speaker 1: that you had. I learned very early doing this show
[15:43] Speaker 1: that it's dangerous to go too deep down any rabbit hole.
[15:49] Speaker 1: I've learned very early on, just with a small amount
[15:53] Speaker 1: of research, that many of the topics that I was
[15:57] Speaker 1: starting to cover had a lot, a lot of misinformation,
[16:02] Speaker 1: a lot of missing pieces, and it was impossible to
[16:05] Speaker 1: tell if this was the essential truth or not. Navigating
[16:10] Speaker 1: the conspiracy realm has become much more difficult in this
[16:15] Speaker 1: era of AI and social media and everyone giving their
[16:20] Speaker 1: own truth out there. The truth is still out there.
[16:24] Speaker 1: You're finding the primary documents. You just have to sift
[16:29] Speaker 1: through it through its work, see of nonsense.
[16:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes work. I alluded to how I thought
[16:34] Speaker 2: I was a researcher because I watched YouTube videos, and
[16:36] Speaker 2: I'm not. You guys are watching a YouTube video right
[16:39] Speaker 2: now possibly of this. I'm not hating on watching a video,
[16:42] Speaker 2: but at the point where I started looking into it
[16:46] Speaker 2: myself and trying to you know, there there was sort
[16:48] Speaker 2: of a switch that flipped in me sometime this year,
[16:52] Speaker 2: late last year where I really got more discerning and
[16:56] Speaker 2: I started making an attempt to refine my belief system
[17:00] Speaker 2: and my worldview based on falsifiability. And this is something
[17:06] Speaker 2: that upsets the people that want the old vibe back
[17:09] Speaker 2: or whatever, where maybe would just talk about some shit
[17:11] Speaker 2: and not have any receipts. But I don't know, I'm
[17:16] Speaker 2: maturing or it just as boring to me to not
[17:18] Speaker 2: know for myself at this point. So false falsifiability is
[17:24] Speaker 2: can you actually prove whether or not a claim is wrong,
[17:28] Speaker 2: and if it is not possible to prove if it's wrong,
[17:32] Speaker 2: that claim is not admissible as evidence or whatever in
[17:36] Speaker 2: accord of law. Right. Basically, it's like we want to
[17:41] Speaker 2: narrow things down to what can we actually know. And
[17:44] Speaker 2: the funny thing about truth and this is like a
[17:46] Speaker 2: philosophical thing that is an old concept. You've heard of
[17:51] Speaker 2: the apathatic method of truth, of finding truth. Apathatic, not this,
[17:56] Speaker 2: not that, because truth is all that is truth reality
[18:00] Speaker 2: with the capital are right, and you can't even ever
[18:04] Speaker 2: describe the whole truth or the whole reality in any
[18:08] Speaker 2: number of words, because we're talking about something that is
[18:11] Speaker 2: the all. So the best you can do is say
[18:13] Speaker 2: it's not this and it's not that. So that's what
[18:16] Speaker 2: falsifiability does in a research investigation is you look at
[18:20] Speaker 2: the claims, you figure out which ones are relevant and
[18:22] Speaker 2: which ones could potentially be proven wrong, and then you
[18:26] Speaker 2: start going at them and if you can prove them wrong,
[18:28] Speaker 2: then you should throw them out. If you can't prove
[18:31] Speaker 2: them wrong, now you can put them in the column
[18:33] Speaker 2: of maybe this is real, maybe this is a thing.
[18:37] Speaker 2: And that is the method I've been going at claims
[18:41] Speaker 2: in the Tartaria Old World cover up reset thing, and
[18:45] Speaker 2: the scoreboard is is zero to a million. Like all
[18:50] Speaker 2: things fought, I've falsified everything that I've looked at. I
[18:54] Speaker 2: have not found anything that couldn't be falsified. And so
[18:56] Speaker 2: let me go over this. Okay, so another amicon creator,
[19:00] Speaker 2: I'll admit it. I've been doing it for a long time.
[19:03] Speaker 2: You are too, so you understand You've just given a
[19:07] Speaker 2: pretty good insight about the genres of truth or culture
[19:11] Speaker 2: that exist and the thing that defines genre content when
[19:14] Speaker 2: it's successful. I mean, you know this. If you've ever
[19:17] Speaker 2: tried to do better at your reach, like do better
[19:20] Speaker 2: at making a living with your craft in the content
[19:25] Speaker 2: creation space, you start looking into like, well, why does
[19:29] Speaker 2: this succeed versus why is mine not doing as well
[19:32] Speaker 2: getting as many views? Why doesn't the algorithm push it?
[19:34] Speaker 2: You know, I look into this kind of stuff because
[19:36] Speaker 2: I have a family to support, but I don't want
[19:38] Speaker 2: to compromise myself in the process. What I've you know,
[19:42] Speaker 2: and it all I always get what I need, and
[19:44] Speaker 2: that's that's great. But what I've found is the genre content.
[19:48] Speaker 2: There's a they they tends to work on a template
[19:52] Speaker 2: or a formula. Right, You'll notice that, like on Instagram
[19:55] Speaker 2: or TikTok things, they get a lot of views a
[19:58] Speaker 2: lot of times people doing a version of the same
[20:01] Speaker 2: thing as each other, right, and people like that template,
[20:06] Speaker 2: they like that version. It succeeds or the algorithm knows
[20:09] Speaker 2: that that template tends to cause people to stay watching,
[20:14] Speaker 2: so it pushes that, right, And that is exactly what
[20:16] Speaker 2: Tartaria videos are like. So the template I actually have,
[20:21] Speaker 2: I've mapped out the template to this genre and all
[20:26] Speaker 2: everything I've looked at, whether it's a article or video
[20:28] Speaker 2: so far, and I don't claim to have looked at
[20:30] Speaker 2: it all. There's a it's a huge genre, right, But
[20:33] Speaker 2: what I found is that the thing that all of
[20:36] Speaker 2: them share in common is incredulity. Like they just maintain
[20:42] Speaker 2: this vibe of disbelief, and they really they really project
[20:47] Speaker 2: that vibe, and that's a big part of it. You
[20:49] Speaker 2: got to have the incredulity vibe. Then you know this
[20:55] Speaker 2: is maybe not intentional, but they make conflicting claims and
[20:58] Speaker 2: they present evidence that actually disproves their own statements in
[21:02] Speaker 2: almost everything I've looked at. Some of them do it
[21:05] Speaker 2: like four or five times and I don't think they
[21:07] Speaker 2: know they're doing it, and I don't know how the
[21:09] Speaker 2: audience doesn't notice. I can show you examples of that.
[21:12] Speaker 2: But here's the template. All right, and maybe there's more
[21:14] Speaker 2: to this list, but essentially I'm going to read through
[21:16] Speaker 2: this list, and almost every video or article is going
[21:19] Speaker 2: to contain four or five, depending on its size, four
[21:24] Speaker 2: or five of these statements. A lot of times just
[21:27] Speaker 2: reset over and over again. Okay, so, and this is
[21:31] Speaker 2: in no particular order. You have how could they do
[21:34] Speaker 2: that with a rickety horse and cart? They had advanced technology.
[21:40] Speaker 2: If this was a free energy this was a free
[21:43] Speaker 2: energy healing center. It's built in the middle of nowhere.
[21:47] Speaker 2: That makes no sense. It's a mystery super civilization wiped
[21:51] Speaker 2: from all memory. Here's one that's almost in all of them.
[21:54] Speaker 2: There are no records, blueprints, plans, or paper trail. That
[21:58] Speaker 2: one's almost universal. They didn't have the technology to build it.
[22:03] Speaker 2: Or sometimes they do one where they say they built
[22:06] Speaker 2: it with lost suppressed advanced technology. See like they could
[22:11] Speaker 2: go either way with that one. They didn't have the
[22:12] Speaker 2: technology to build this, Oh they built it with suppressed technology.
[22:16] Speaker 2: It's just you know, depends on the flavor of the
[22:18] Speaker 2: day for that one or the particular car.
[22:21] Speaker 1: Right, it's like a conspiracy template. They might not even
[22:25] Speaker 1: have done any research themselves. They mimic what they saw
[22:30] Speaker 1: in a previous video and it tends to work and
[22:32] Speaker 1: go viral. So then the information continues to be bullshit
[22:36] Speaker 1: all the way down.
[22:38] Speaker 2: You nailed it. That's exactly what happens. So I'll just
[22:41] Speaker 2: run through the rest really fast. Artists and craftsmen couldn't
[22:44] Speaker 2: have possibly done that at that time. Nobody knew how
[22:47] Speaker 2: to read. Everybody died at the age of thirty. The
[22:50] Speaker 2: population was too small for them to have built that.
[22:54] Speaker 2: There were peasants. They were peasants in straw huts, horse
[22:57] Speaker 2: and buggy blah blah blah, dirt roads that could never
[23:00] Speaker 2: have been built in X amount of years. All the
[23:04] Speaker 2: photos are fake, altered or misdated. And then but sometimes
[23:09] Speaker 2: they'll say that a lot. And then sometimes I'll say
[23:12] Speaker 2: these photos prove such and such. So it's the same
[23:15] Speaker 2: as the technology they didn't have, the technology they built
[23:18] Speaker 2: it with suppressed technology. Depends on what they want to say.
[23:21] Speaker 2: These photos are fake, these photos prove Freemason's bad. That's
[23:26] Speaker 2: they love that one another conflicting one Wikipedia says x
[23:32] Speaker 2: Wikipedia lies, which okay everything, And then the thing that's
[23:37] Speaker 2: really common is everything that goes against my idea is
[23:40] Speaker 2: fake or forgery. They always pull that card, and then
[23:44] Speaker 2: you know, this old map proves such and such. So
[23:48] Speaker 2: that's basically the list it tends to be. You know,
[23:52] Speaker 2: there may be more, but I would say the majority
[23:55] Speaker 2: of content in this genre is going to hit on
[23:58] Speaker 2: five of those particular video or article. And I know
[24:02] Speaker 2: you've seen this.
[24:03] Speaker 3: Yes, you're absolutely right.
[24:05] Speaker 1: Most of the content creators that are regurgitating this information
[24:10] Speaker 1: are making extreme leaps from what they're observing to all
[24:16] Speaker 1: the infinite possibilities that that could represent.
[24:20] Speaker 3: Example, like the cathedrals.
[24:23] Speaker 1: They were healing centers that used free energy, and the
[24:27] Speaker 1: bells were also a form of advanced healing technology. But
[24:33] Speaker 1: they don't give any receipts as to how that worked, construction, evidence,
[24:40] Speaker 1: testimony from anyone that experienced the healing centers.
[24:45] Speaker 3: Nothing.
[24:45] Speaker 1: It was just a healing center. It was just that
[24:48] Speaker 1: because that's the conclusion that they came to.
[24:51] Speaker 2: So you just touched on something that it actually has
[24:54] Speaker 2: a name in the logical It's not like typically on
[24:57] Speaker 2: the list of logical fallacies. You could call like a
[24:59] Speaker 2: minor logical fallacy, but it's called the Mott and Bailey
[25:03] Speaker 2: or the castle in courtyard. It's a specific logical fallacy.
[25:08] Speaker 2: And so far because I've been like looking at a
[25:11] Speaker 2: specific creator, their video or a specific article, and then
[25:14] Speaker 2: I'll pull out the claims what's falsifiable, and then I
[25:17] Speaker 2: just go at it. And that's how I've been approaching
[25:18] Speaker 2: this because to me, it's like if I'm not talking
[25:23] Speaker 2: to or about a specific person what they're saying, then
[25:27] Speaker 2: I'm not making a good enough argument. I'm just I'm
[25:30] Speaker 2: just arguing with nobody, and I don't even want to argue.
[25:34] Speaker 2: But I've become kind of like low Ki obsessed with
[25:36] Speaker 2: this for a short while because A I actually want
[25:39] Speaker 2: to know. I want to know if there really is
[25:41] Speaker 2: an Old World civilization being covered up, that would be awesome.
[25:45] Speaker 2: I'd love to talk about that from a position of knowing.
[25:48] Speaker 2: That would be great, fascinating. But you know, if it's
[25:53] Speaker 2: not true, I want to know that too, So I
[25:55] Speaker 2: don't put my reputation and my spiritual integrity on the
[26:01] Speaker 2: line by sharing and bearing false witness, Like that's just
[26:04] Speaker 2: not going to work for me. So anyway, back to
[26:06] Speaker 2: the mountain bailey. This is ironic that this is the
[26:09] Speaker 2: logical fallacy that is most employed unwittingly by this genre
[26:14] Speaker 2: because it's named after architecture, you know, like that irony
[26:21] Speaker 2: is so funny to me. The mountain bailey is based
[26:25] Speaker 2: on medieval castle design, where you have the bailey or
[26:28] Speaker 2: the courtyard, which is the big open space where a
[26:31] Speaker 2: lot of the high value buildings are at, like the
[26:32] Speaker 2: blacksmith and maybe a little farm and the stables and
[26:36] Speaker 2: et cetera. The bailey or the courtyard is very hard
[26:38] Speaker 2: to defend, so whenever the castle is attacked and the
[26:43] Speaker 2: people are trying to the soldiers are trying to defend
[26:45] Speaker 2: the castle, they might if they're having a hard time
[26:48] Speaker 2: defending the difficult to protect bailey, they might fall back
[26:52] Speaker 2: to the mott or. It's basically a tower on a hill, right,
[26:56] Speaker 2: And that's just an old old time the old English
[26:58] Speaker 2: word for it. It's a tower on a a hill.
[27:00] Speaker 2: And once you get into that tower on that hill,
[27:03] Speaker 2: nobody's getting in there unless they knock it down. So
[27:05] Speaker 2: they either starve you out or they leave, or you
[27:09] Speaker 2: pick them off with your archers or whatever. So you
[27:12] Speaker 2: have the courtyard or the bailey very very hard to defend,
[27:15] Speaker 2: and then you have the mot very easy to defend.
[27:18] Speaker 2: And that's what this fallacy is named for. And this
[27:19] Speaker 2: is what the genre and probably a lot of other
[27:22] Speaker 2: conspiracy genre does too. They will put forward a really outrageous,
[27:27] Speaker 2: unsubstantiated claim, right like the bells and the cathedrals were
[27:32] Speaker 2: free energy healing centers. And then as soon as it's
[27:35] Speaker 2: challenged or they realize and their talk when they're talking
[27:39] Speaker 2: that they can't really back this up, they will retreat
[27:42] Speaker 2: to the mot and they'll say something like, we know
[27:44] Speaker 2: frequency has a healing beneficial effect. You know, we know
[27:48] Speaker 2: that there's sort of like sacred geometry components or sacred
[27:52] Speaker 2: things about this cathedral because of the rose glass windows
[27:56] Speaker 2: and things like that, and so they retreat to the
[27:59] Speaker 2: claim that's very easy to protect, or like you know,
[28:02] Speaker 2: more broadly, with Tartaria theory, they'll make a bunch of
[28:05] Speaker 2: crazy claims and then they'll say, but of course I
[28:08] Speaker 2: don't know, how could I know. I don't really know.
[28:11] Speaker 2: We just know that that history is a lie. So
[28:15] Speaker 2: easy to defend that claim. History has inconsistencies, flat out fabrications,
[28:20] Speaker 2: you know, tampering written by the victors. Blah blah blah.
[28:23] Speaker 2: We've heard it all. Sure, that's easy to defend. That's
[28:26] Speaker 2: a very defensible position. So what they do is they
[28:30] Speaker 2: they advance to the bailey, they make the outrageous claim,
[28:32] Speaker 2: they retreat to the mott and they protect it easy
[28:35] Speaker 2: to protect. And then later on they act like they
[28:39] Speaker 2: defended the bailey. I know you've seen this, like outrageous plan, retreat,
[28:45] Speaker 2: I don't really know. But then a saying this later
[28:48] Speaker 2: they're acting like the crazy shit they said is established fact.
[28:53] Speaker 1: Well, as you're saying all this, I'm realizing how guilty
[28:56] Speaker 1: I am in participating in the the perpetuation of this information.
[29:03] Speaker 1: Looking back, you can see how the information was sloppily
[29:07] Speaker 1: put together in such a fantastical way that it really
[29:11] Speaker 1: does suck you in. And the more information that i learn,
[29:16] Speaker 1: I'm not going to throw it away because I'm so
[29:19] Speaker 1: invested in a theory about tartaria. I'm going to take
[29:22] Speaker 1: the information in. If it makes sense, and if there's
[29:25] Speaker 1: proof to back up everything a person is saying, my
[29:28] Speaker 1: perspective will definitely change on my belief about that certain
[29:33] Speaker 1: information or situation.
[29:35] Speaker 2: Well, that's really great, man. I mean, that's basically where
[29:37] Speaker 2: I'm coming from too. I put this stuff out there myself.
[29:42] Speaker 2: You know, I had Howdy McCosky on for his book
[29:45] Speaker 2: Exposed to Expositions back in twenty twenty one. I was
[29:49] Speaker 2: drinking the kool aid my World's Fair. World's Fair episode
[29:54] Speaker 2: that I did that has gotten the most attention and
[29:57] Speaker 2: the most Yeah, lots of really great responses. Thank you
[30:00] Speaker 2: for putting this together. Wow, this is totally Nobody has
[30:04] Speaker 2: ever showed me this before, you know. And I show
[30:06] Speaker 2: you where to find the things that I'm bringing up,
[30:09] Speaker 2: you know, and there's ranging from the very grateful to the
[30:12] Speaker 2: really upset. But in that episode, I specifically address the
[30:18] Speaker 2: claims made by mccoskey in his book, not out of
[30:21] Speaker 2: some kind of hate or despising him, but just like,
[30:24] Speaker 2: this is a person who's a popular figure in the
[30:28] Speaker 2: field at that time, and you know, probably still is,
[30:30] Speaker 2: even if he's kind of shifted into other topics, and so,
[30:34] Speaker 2: you know, we need somebody to be checking. I can't
[30:37] Speaker 2: just say Tartaria theorists say X, I need to show
[30:41] Speaker 2: one example. So I used his book as an example.
[30:43] Speaker 2: I had read it back in twenty twenty one. I
[30:45] Speaker 2: got back into it to try to pick out the
[30:48] Speaker 2: claims being made, and there are examples of you know,
[30:53] Speaker 2: Matt and Bailey is basically the whole thing, and I'd
[30:58] Speaker 2: have to I mean, we could talk about the World's fair,
[30:59] Speaker 2: we could talk about asylums. Asylums are more fresh on
[31:01] Speaker 2: my mind. If we want specific examples.
[31:04] Speaker 3: Let's get into that.
[31:05] Speaker 1: Because the audience, the Tartaria guys are yelling.
[31:08] Speaker 3: I can hear them. Right now, where's the proof, show
[31:11] Speaker 3: us the evidence. Let's get into it.
[31:13] Speaker 2: Well, the burden of proof is on the person making
[31:16] Speaker 2: the claim, so I don't actually have to prove anything.
[31:20] Speaker 2: All I'm up to is disproving the claims being made
[31:25] Speaker 2: about things. Right, there's and I could. I mean, like,
[31:30] Speaker 2: I'm not claiming that even a mountain of primary source
[31:34] Speaker 2: documents is proof of something. It's not. It's just evidence.
[31:38] Speaker 2: So when But what they do is they make claims
[31:42] Speaker 2: like no evidence exists, no paper trail exists, no such
[31:47] Speaker 2: and such exists, and I can show you that it does.
[31:51] Speaker 2: And so that's all there is to it. I'm not
[31:54] Speaker 2: claiming anything. I'm showing you that they're lying or wrong
[31:58] Speaker 2: about whatever the case may be. So I don't know
[32:02] Speaker 2: if I want to go at somebody super hard specifically
[32:05] Speaker 2: or not. Maybe we could do it without naming them.
[32:07] Speaker 3: This is one that we let's not put out any names.
[32:12] Speaker 2: Okay, So there, let me screen share here. And this
[32:19] Speaker 2: is just a raw articles, not even put into a
[32:22] Speaker 2: not even put into a power point yet. So bear
[32:27] Speaker 2: with me. You're seeing my draft. So here is a character.
[32:33] Speaker 2: Maybe you're gonna be able to see who it is.
[32:35] Speaker 2: He's made a claim about insane asylums in the nineteenth
[32:38] Speaker 2: century that they were a nationwide effort, and like, how
[32:46] Speaker 2: did they How did they do this nationwide effort when
[32:49] Speaker 2: nationwide efforts were not popular at the time, or like
[32:52] Speaker 2: they weren't doing any federal nationwide efforts for things at
[32:55] Speaker 2: the time. So I just went and found where is
[32:59] Speaker 2: it that Here? I went and found where President Peers
[33:07] Speaker 2: vetoed a bill. Here it is perfect, President Piers. There
[33:10] Speaker 2: was a bill brought forward to the United States government
[33:14] Speaker 2: or to the President from Congress. It was passed by
[33:16] Speaker 2: Congress that was to hand over ten million acres of
[33:19] Speaker 2: federal land to the various states in the interest off
[33:23] Speaker 2: The sale of that land would have been used to
[33:25] Speaker 2: fund permanent care for the indigent insane nationwide. Okay, so
[33:30] Speaker 2: here's the nationwide effort federal program that this YouTuber is
[33:34] Speaker 2: saying is suspicious at the time, like why would they
[33:38] Speaker 2: do this with insane asylums in the nineteenth century, Why
[33:41] Speaker 2: would there be a national effort? So I looked into
[33:45] Speaker 2: it and I found President Franklin Peers. Let me open
[33:48] Speaker 2: this document. He vetoed this. It's documented May third night,
[33:54] Speaker 2: eighteen fifty four. He vetoed the bill to make ten
[33:59] Speaker 2: million acres of land, give it to the states so
[34:02] Speaker 2: they could sell it to build insane asylums. And what's
[34:06] Speaker 2: interesting about this is he says, in spite of the
[34:09] Speaker 2: deep sympathies of my own heart, he could not pass
[34:13] Speaker 2: this bill because of the constitutional principle that if the
[34:17] Speaker 2: federal government can fund care for the insane, it can
[34:21] Speaker 2: fund care for everyone. His own words, it cannot be
[34:24] Speaker 2: questioned that if Congress has power to make provision for
[34:27] Speaker 2: the indigen insane without the limits of this district, it
[34:30] Speaker 2: has the same power to provide for the indigent who
[34:33] Speaker 2: are not insane, and thus transferred to the federal government
[34:36] Speaker 2: the charge of all the port in the United States.
[34:39] Speaker 2: So Basically, he's saying, if we fund the building of
[34:42] Speaker 2: insane asylums around the country, we have to start doing
[34:45] Speaker 2: welfare for everybody. We can't do that, which you know
[34:48] Speaker 2: that door obviously got opened later. But my point is
[34:51] Speaker 2: that was a claim made by this YouTuber. People are
[34:53] Speaker 2: gonna get upset like this has nothing to do with
[34:55] Speaker 2: the architecture. Okay, But this is how I do it.
[34:57] Speaker 2: I just go through every claim war at a time.
[35:01] Speaker 2: He makes a claim right here. I just have clips
[35:03] Speaker 2: of the YouTube video about how did they coordinate this
[35:07] Speaker 2: effort to build these asylums? And you know, just for
[35:10] Speaker 2: the record, this is what they A lot of them
[35:11] Speaker 2: looked like. They look kind of like castles. They are
[35:14] Speaker 2: really crazy high Gothic architecture, very impressive, very expensive buildings.
[35:19] Speaker 2: How did they coordinate it? About the nationwide effort, that's
[35:23] Speaker 2: a moot point because they're not coordinating it nationally. So
[35:27] Speaker 2: I had to go through and demonstrate a case by
[35:29] Speaker 2: case example of asylums in different states being funded and
[35:33] Speaker 2: built by their respective administrative bodies. Right, And that is
[35:36] Speaker 2: the problem is that's not the answer we want whenever
[35:39] Speaker 2: we are looking into these topics, we want like a sweeping,
[35:43] Speaker 2: simple answer that paints the whole situation in a way
[35:47] Speaker 2: that makes sense to us and doesn't require us to
[35:50] Speaker 2: think too hard. I mean, I'm guilty of it too,
[35:52] Speaker 2: But the reality is it was different state by state
[35:55] Speaker 2: each of these that got built in the nineteenth century.
[35:59] Speaker 2: So I found in my own home state in Missouri,
[36:02] Speaker 2: the first asylum that they built was in Fulton. I
[36:05] Speaker 2: found the records of report of the Commissioners to Locate
[36:09] Speaker 2: a Lunatic Asylum, January third, eighteen forty nine. That's a
[36:13] Speaker 2: government report. I found the Senate Journal Appendix, the Senate
[36:18] Speaker 2: Journal Appendix for the fifteenth General Assembly of the Missouri
[36:22] Speaker 2: State Legislature. I found the sixteenth General Assembly eighteen fifty
[36:26] Speaker 2: at eighteen fifty one appendix, you know, and I show
[36:28] Speaker 2: some screenshots from these government archives. I found the actual
[36:34] Speaker 2: this is the cost breakdown right here. Let me make
[36:37] Speaker 2: it big, you know, Like this is in the reports
[36:40] Speaker 2: they're accounting for all the things they paid for to
[36:44] Speaker 2: build this building. I found where the architect had bid
[36:49] Speaker 2: a price of forty seven, four hundred and fifty dollars
[36:53] Speaker 2: and a few years later he showed his cost reports
[36:56] Speaker 2: to them. In these documents, and it had gone over
[36:58] Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars and went over budget. Okay, this is
[37:01] Speaker 2: called receipts.
[37:02] Speaker 1: Like, yeah, now, I'm not really familiar with exactly the
[37:07] Speaker 1: theory that you're saying from.
[37:09] Speaker 2: But I understand that insane asylums were pretty existing buildings
[37:14] Speaker 2: that they were repurposed, and they weren't actually sending insane
[37:19] Speaker 2: people there. They were taking people who remember the old world.
[37:22] Speaker 3: Right, that's the that's the part I heard about.
[37:24] Speaker 2: They couldn't tell anybody what they remembered.
[37:27] Speaker 1: From the theories that I heard, they existed, but they
[37:30] Speaker 1: were used to house the and they didn't.
[37:33] Speaker 2: Really build them. The nineteenth century Americans didn't really build them.
[37:36] Speaker 2: They just found them. They were founded, found dead. They
[37:41] Speaker 2: did this kind of like Skiitzo etymology, found dead, and
[37:45] Speaker 2: that just doesn't work. That's not evidence of anything, just
[37:49] Speaker 2: because it sounds like that. So this is the what's
[37:54] Speaker 2: interesting is the national Obviously we've just proved there was
[37:57] Speaker 2: no national effort, which disproves what the guy was claiming,
[38:00] Speaker 2: and you know that it's not super important. But I
[38:02] Speaker 2: found all kinds of interesting details, like Missouri lawmakers weren't
[38:05] Speaker 2: going to build an asylum until the governor committed suicide
[38:09] Speaker 2: in eighteen forty four, and that moved the needle and
[38:11] Speaker 2: brought about why they decided to fund this. There was
[38:15] Speaker 2: no federal handout. They weren't forced to do it, so
[38:18] Speaker 2: they go on and on about logistics and resources they
[38:21] Speaker 2: couldn't have built that. He specifically brings up Independence Iowa,
[38:25] Speaker 2: an asylum that was built between eighteen sixty eight and
[38:28] Speaker 2: eighteen seventy three. This is a big one, a really
[38:32] Speaker 2: big asylum. You could see. One thing that they have
[38:35] Speaker 2: in common, which is I guess suspicious to the theorists,
[38:39] Speaker 2: is that they all are shaped in this kind of
[38:41] Speaker 2: shallow V formation mus zoom in a bit. And this
[38:45] Speaker 2: was called the Kirkbride plan. There's a whole history of
[38:47] Speaker 2: the Quaker doctor who came up with or not came
[38:51] Speaker 2: up with. He just popularized this model. And we're going
[38:54] Speaker 2: to talk about what is interesting about that too in
[38:57] Speaker 2: a second. But yeah, here's the blueprint. Here's a lithograph
[39:01] Speaker 2: drawing of the building itself. Looks very big and grand.
[39:05] Speaker 2: So you know, he said specifically about this about this
[39:10] Speaker 2: Independence Iowa asylum. His exact words in the video were,
[39:15] Speaker 2: you can't find any record of construction or the architect.
[39:19] Speaker 2: All right, this is a popular YouTuber, lots and lots
[39:22] Speaker 2: of views on the video, lots and lots of subscribers.
[39:26] Speaker 2: He said, you can't find any record of construction or
[39:29] Speaker 2: the architect. So here a show the twelfth General Assembly
[39:33] Speaker 2: of the Iowa Legislature where the bill was introduced and
[39:36] Speaker 2: passed for this asylum to be built. Where they lay
[39:39] Speaker 2: out they make an approbation, which is how much money
[39:44] Speaker 2: they're going to give for the asylum, one hundred and
[39:46] Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars. They required in this law that
[39:50] Speaker 2: the citizens of the county have to donate three hundred
[39:53] Speaker 2: and twenty acres of land for the building to the state.
[39:57] Speaker 2: And they got to do this for free. That means
[40:00] Speaker 2: they had to do something called a public subscription. That
[40:03] Speaker 2: was what it says in the bill here, And I
[40:05] Speaker 2: was like, what's a public subscription? So I have to
[40:07] Speaker 2: look into that. It's crowdfunding for the day, and local businesses,
[40:11] Speaker 2: wealthy individuals would donate to the cause. We're answering the
[40:14] Speaker 2: we're answering some of the how could they afford to
[40:17] Speaker 2: do this question? The case by case answer is that
[40:20] Speaker 2: each state figured it out for themselves. But the next
[40:23] Speaker 2: thing I was like, well, well, who donated, who donated
[40:26] Speaker 2: to this? Who would give their hard earned money to
[40:29] Speaker 2: the state to build this asylum? And it took a
[40:32] Speaker 2: couple of hours actually a searching, but I found digitized
[40:36] Speaker 2: archives of the Buchanan County Bulletin newspaper from right after
[40:40] Speaker 2: this bill was passed eighteen sixty eight. They talk about
[40:43] Speaker 2: we got to get this asylum. It's important for our county.
[40:46] Speaker 2: It will you bring prestige and bring jobs and YadA YadA.
[40:51] Speaker 2: And I found them saying how much they'd raised so
[40:54] Speaker 2: far in a later issue. And then finally on May,
[40:57] Speaker 2: I think, what's the date? Maybe I have it up here?
[41:04] Speaker 2: What was the date of this May eighth? Right, I
[41:06] Speaker 2: found the list of donors. Here's the list of all
[41:09] Speaker 2: the people who have donated and how much, followed by
[41:12] Speaker 2: some shaming in the newspaper of anyone who hasn't donated
[41:15] Speaker 2: to this land cost for the building of this asylum.
[41:19] Speaker 2: So this is the kind of research that I thought
[41:21] Speaker 2: was really useful because if you just Google search who donated?
[41:25] Speaker 2: Who were the donors to the Iowa Independence Iowa Insane
[41:29] Speaker 2: Asylum in eighteen sixty eight, in Buchanan County. This search
[41:32] Speaker 2: surface is nothing right, so like you cannot find that
[41:36] Speaker 2: in a quick search. I had to go find scanned
[41:39] Speaker 2: archives of a newspaper and then dig through issues that
[41:43] Speaker 2: were around that time from the county where it was happening.
[41:46] Speaker 2: But I found it, like here it is. This is
[41:48] Speaker 2: a primary source. Nobody has held this up and tried
[41:51] Speaker 2: to be like this proves this as and it was
[41:53] Speaker 2: fake and they were just trying.
[41:55] Speaker 3: To trick you, like well, some researchers.
[41:58] Speaker 2: Unknown until I found it. You see it's there, but
[42:01] Speaker 2: it's there.
[42:02] Speaker 1: Some researchers would argue with you, the Tartaria researchers, and
[42:07] Speaker 1: this is a theory that has become widely accepted amongst
[42:11] Speaker 1: the Tartaria community, which I could not get down with
[42:15] Speaker 1: at all. I thought it was highly ridiculous the possibility
[42:18] Speaker 1: that the Rothschild sanctioned the academics of the time that
[42:24] Speaker 1: were working for them to rewrite all the history books,
[42:28] Speaker 1: to rewrite all the documentation, all the sciences, everything that
[42:33] Speaker 1: the people would have access to that would lend truth
[42:40] Speaker 1: to the psychological operation that they are doing. All the
[42:46] Speaker 1: false history they sanctioned people to write. And I would
[42:49] Speaker 1: include some of the documents that you're trying to show
[42:52] Speaker 1: us right now. And I could never get behind that
[42:54] Speaker 1: when I thought that was one of the most ridiculous
[42:57] Speaker 1: theories I've ever heard.
[42:58] Speaker 3: But that's one of the things that it's just.
[43:00] Speaker 2: It would be it would be easier to actually just
[43:03] Speaker 2: build the stuff, and then it would be to fake
[43:05] Speaker 2: all those records. Yeah, you know, like like I found
[43:10] Speaker 2: out about this newspaper, by the way, where did this
[43:12] Speaker 2: I even was like looking into where did this newspaper
[43:15] Speaker 2: come from? Where I found the list of donors? And
[43:18] Speaker 2: what was fascinating is I found the answer in an
[43:21] Speaker 2: eighteen I think it was a eighteen eighty eight. Let
[43:26] Speaker 2: me find it. It's in my notes, Oh No. Nineteen
[43:29] Speaker 2: fourteen Buchanan County, Iowa History book, which so this book
[43:33] Speaker 2: from nineteen fourteen. I found a PDF scan of it
[43:36] Speaker 2: in an archive on the county website, and it thinks
[43:40] Speaker 2: there's a line in it where they're thanking mister e
[43:43] Speaker 2: Little who loaned these old newspapers to the county because
[43:48] Speaker 2: a fire actually destroyed the archive of newspapers that they
[43:54] Speaker 2: had in eighteen seventy four. And this is like they'll
[43:58] Speaker 2: jump on that like, oh, a fire convenient much, right,
[44:04] Speaker 2: But this was a dude who just I mean, I
[44:07] Speaker 2: think probably most of us know some old dude who
[44:10] Speaker 2: collects newspapers. My dad does. Yeah, so this guy had
[44:15] Speaker 2: collected newspapers for his whole life and he donated them
[44:18] Speaker 2: to the county. And that's why there's even a copy
[44:20] Speaker 2: of this for me to find. And I thought, well,
[44:22] Speaker 2: that's really cool, these little notes in history. But the
[44:26] Speaker 2: YouTuber the other claiming made that I just pointed out,
[44:29] Speaker 2: he said, you can't find a record for the architect
[44:31] Speaker 2: of that asylum, right, he just flat out says this,
[44:34] Speaker 2: Okay in this video, Well, actually you can. The dude's
[44:37] Speaker 2: name was Steven Vaughan Shipman. He designed four other asylums
[44:41] Speaker 2: beside this. That was super easy to find out. It's
[44:44] Speaker 2: both on the Wikipedia page and he's listed as someone
[44:47] Speaker 2: they're paying in the literal receipt books and accounting documents
[44:52] Speaker 2: that I found about it. Like, he's very much the
[44:56] Speaker 2: guy who is the architect, even if it's a fake
[44:59] Speaker 2: his it's a lie. Okay, Well you lied because you
[45:03] Speaker 2: said that there's no architect, that there's no architect listed,
[45:07] Speaker 2: but there is, and so unless in the last two
[45:10] Speaker 2: years since he made that video to now somebody invented
[45:14] Speaker 2: the documents of the architect and added him to the
[45:17] Speaker 2: Wikipedia page, and la la la, you know, and somehow
[45:21] Speaker 2: all of that got done. I would say that he
[45:24] Speaker 2: just never bothered to find out he didn't and he
[45:26] Speaker 2: just straight up lied. So this is the thing that
[45:29] Speaker 2: is super consistent I'm finding with So I know that
[45:32] Speaker 2: this is a very seemingly insignificant example looking at one
[45:36] Speaker 2: building at a time, you know, one person's claims about it.
[45:40] Speaker 2: But I'm telling you that what I have found is
[45:42] Speaker 2: this is a pattern that has applied to everything I
[45:46] Speaker 2: have looked at that every time they say this doesn't exist,
[45:51] Speaker 2: the records are then blah blah blah. I've gone and
[45:53] Speaker 2: found a mountain of it. So I'm assuming they just
[45:56] Speaker 2: didn't do that, which makes sense because it was hard work.
[46:00] Speaker 2: It's taking me a lot of time to do. It's
[46:03] Speaker 2: not it's just not a quick Google search and you're
[46:06] Speaker 2: done type of situation. But if you are finding it
[46:09] Speaker 2: successful to follow a template, show some old building and
[46:12] Speaker 2: say wow, this is crazy, I can't believe it, and
[46:16] Speaker 2: say X, you know five other things off of the list,
[46:19] Speaker 2: Boom you just got ten thousand views. Sweet, do it again.
[46:24] Speaker 2: It's no problem, like there's a profit to it. That's
[46:27] Speaker 2: just what it is. So you know, like I'm I'm
[46:31] Speaker 2: I'm a bit annoyed that this is I wanted to
[46:35] Speaker 2: find something cool. I wanted to find like the real
[46:38] Speaker 2: cover up or something, and this is what I keep
[46:41] Speaker 2: running into over and over again. It's like a grift.
[46:45] Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the World's Fair aspect. I've always been
[46:48] Speaker 1: fascinated by this. I've done a couple of shows with
[46:51] Speaker 1: Howdy myself. Let's get into some of the findings about
[46:55] Speaker 1: the world Fairs.
[46:56] Speaker 2: Okay, well you just hold will you just like hold
[46:59] Speaker 2: it down for a second. Well, I pull up what
[47:00] Speaker 2: I got.
[47:01] Speaker 1: This is necessary. There's not enough people doing these true
[47:06] Speaker 1: deep dives, really bringing out the evidence like you're doing.
[47:11] Speaker 1: It makes me wonder if we're ever going to be
[47:14] Speaker 1: able to swing back in the opposite direction, especially with
[47:18] Speaker 1: the way technology is going, with people's reliance on AI,
[47:22] Speaker 1: people's addiction to the clicks, having the algorithm push their
[47:27] Speaker 1: stuff out like that. How do we come out of that?
[47:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, Unfortunately, looking at primary sources is not sexy coming
[47:35] Speaker 2: up with the answer of Wow, there's not seeming to
[47:38] Speaker 2: be any truth to this conspiracy is not exciting. I
[47:44] Speaker 2: realize that I think that that's part of the problem.
[47:47] Speaker 2: So I'll try to like just power through some of
[47:50] Speaker 2: the things, sure, and screenshare a little bit. You know
[47:54] Speaker 2: what would work best is if I just get my
[47:56] Speaker 2: power point up from that episode and then I just riff.
[47:59] Speaker 1: On it, right, and those listening on the audio end
[48:02] Speaker 1: please come over to YouTube or rumble so you can
[48:05] Speaker 1: check out the visuals that we've been presenting over here.
[48:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, and then if you want the really extensive breakdown,
[48:13] Speaker 2: go to my channel and see what I actually put
[48:15] Speaker 2: together there. Because this is this is kind of a
[48:19] Speaker 2: whirlwind getting things off my chest with Chris what I've
[48:23] Speaker 2: been thinking about. But you know, my actual work, as
[48:26] Speaker 2: you saw, I tried to give a little example of
[48:29] Speaker 2: just how detailed I was getting with one thing I
[48:32] Speaker 2: was looking at, But each one of these investigations is
[48:36] Speaker 2: like more detailed than that. For every building that I
[48:38] Speaker 2: looked at, I did not stop until I couldn't find
[48:40] Speaker 2: anything else, even though I could have just stopped at
[48:43] Speaker 2: the point where he said there's no architect and I
[48:47] Speaker 2: know that that's a lie so or or wrong you know,
[48:51] Speaker 2: giving him credit is just wrong.
[48:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so this is necessary. We need more of this.
[48:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I honestly, I'm finding it fun. I'm appreciated
[49:00] Speaker 2: eating the sense of real inspiration. It's almost like, you
[49:04] Speaker 2: know how there's that whole concept of a nation needs
[49:08] Speaker 2: to have an outside enemy to fight against. Yeah, to unify.
[49:12] Speaker 2: I don't consider anybody in this camp my enemy, but
[49:16] Speaker 2: I do consider like falsehoods and bad ideas to be
[49:21] Speaker 2: kind of like an external enemy. And I'm realizing as
[49:24] Speaker 2: I why I have such a surge of inspiration and
[49:28] Speaker 2: energy and work ethic. I mean up early, I'm until bedtime,
[49:31] Speaker 2: working on this whenever my whenever I possibly can find
[49:35] Speaker 2: some time, and not missing too much family time with
[49:39] Speaker 2: my daughter. I I've really got juice for this in
[49:42] Speaker 2: a way that I've almost never experienced. And I think
[49:44] Speaker 2: it might be because of the you know, there's almost
[49:47] Speaker 2: like I'm in a fight with somebody. It's like a war,
[49:51] Speaker 2: but it's just a war against a bad idea. And
[49:56] Speaker 2: it didn't start out that way. It started out just
[49:58] Speaker 2: wanting to know, right. But I've really on some serious
[50:01] Speaker 2: juice and inspiration in this, and it's fun. This is
[50:04] Speaker 2: the eighteen ninety three Court of Honor and Administration building.
[50:07] Speaker 2: People look at this, this is the most famous photo
[50:10] Speaker 2: from the thing, and they're like, there's no way they
[50:14] Speaker 2: built this. The story is that most of the buildings,
[50:17] Speaker 2: almost all the buildings for this fair were built in
[50:19] Speaker 2: two years and were temporary structures that were then torn
[50:23] Speaker 2: down again. As soon as you hear that, you kind
[50:26] Speaker 2: of balk. You're like, that is that makes no sense?
[50:29] Speaker 2: Why would they build all this and just tear it down?
[50:34] Speaker 2: But if you were to really get logistical building permanent
[50:37] Speaker 2: structures of this magnitude, obviously it would have been way
[50:41] Speaker 2: more than two years and way more expensive. And then
[50:45] Speaker 2: there's something else that people rightly point out about this
[50:48] Speaker 2: fair and others like it is there's a very suspicious
[50:51] Speaker 2: element to the propaganda that was being purveyed, Like why
[50:55] Speaker 2: would you go through all this trouble to make this
[50:58] Speaker 2: big event and get millions of people to come over
[50:59] Speaker 2: the course of a year. It's and what were they
[51:02] Speaker 2: telling people? What were they seeding in people's mind about
[51:06] Speaker 2: history and about the American mythology, what it means to
[51:09] Speaker 2: be an American, things of that nature. What they're telling
[51:12] Speaker 2: them about other people and other countries. There's a real
[51:16] Speaker 2: there there, there's a real propaganda aspect to this that
[51:20] Speaker 2: is one hundred percent like you could call it a conspiracy.
[51:24] Speaker 2: Elites were seeding a worldview into the public of the
[51:29] Speaker 2: American people at this time. I have no problem with
[51:32] Speaker 2: that interpretation. I think that that's I mean, mainstream, mainstream
[51:36] Speaker 2: historians agree with that, Like, that's no big deal. Right,
[51:40] Speaker 2: So that's true, there's some conspiracy there. But why they
[51:44] Speaker 2: would build it, You'd have to, you know, you'd have
[51:47] Speaker 2: to look at the context of the time events like
[51:50] Speaker 2: this were. It's kind of like the Olympics. Right, Every
[51:53] Speaker 2: four years, some city somewhere in the world builds a
[51:56] Speaker 2: crazy Olympic stadium, spends ungodly amounts of money, and millions
[52:01] Speaker 2: of people travel there, right, right, it happens. It happens now,
[52:06] Speaker 2: So it is it that unreasonable to think it really happened? Then?
[52:10] Speaker 2: These are just preliminary thoughts. There's none of this is
[52:12] Speaker 2: falsifying anything. I'm just you know, just talking.
[52:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know.
[52:18] Speaker 2: Here's a bird's eye view of the exposition in Chicago,
[52:21] Speaker 2: just a drawing. But it's humongous, this building right here.
[52:25] Speaker 2: I believe this is called the I think it's the
[52:29] Speaker 2: Manufacturers Building. Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure that's
[52:33] Speaker 2: what it is. And it was the biggest building in
[52:34] Speaker 2: the world at the time. At that time, it was
[52:37] Speaker 2: the biggest building in the world, which is really crazy
[52:40] Speaker 2: to think about. Yeah, it's like six or seven hundred
[52:45] Speaker 2: acre building. No, no, No, six hundred or seven hundred
[52:48] Speaker 2: acres is the whole property. I totally just misspoke. I'd
[52:51] Speaker 2: have to just look at my document to know how
[52:53] Speaker 2: big it was. I am spitballing here. I will look
[52:56] Speaker 2: at my source material as needed. You know, here's the
[53:00] Speaker 2: ferris wheel. This was like eighty meters tall, almost the
[53:05] Speaker 2: size of a football field and height. Wow, really big. Yeah, Now,
[53:09] Speaker 2: this this is the kind of thing that really gets
[53:11] Speaker 2: people gone. Look at that building and then look at
[53:14] Speaker 2: the label on it. It says Chocolat bonbons, chocolate candy.
[53:20] Speaker 2: It's a concession stand. So people look at that and
[53:22] Speaker 2: they're like, why the hell would you make a concession
[53:25] Speaker 2: stand that looks like that? And I'm with you, I'm
[53:27] Speaker 2: with you. That seems wild, okay. But something I've noticed
[53:33] Speaker 2: about the nineteenth century and going through the records, I've
[53:36] Speaker 2: been looking at. Has just added to this observation is
[53:39] Speaker 2: that people of that time legitimately cared and were more
[53:43] Speaker 2: serious about craft. Yeah, like if you go into old buildings,
[53:48] Speaker 2: old theaters, you have like the scroll work on the ceiling,
[53:50] Speaker 2: you have like everywhere that there could be some kind
[53:52] Speaker 2: of intricacy, artistry, craftsmanship, detail added. They were adding it, right.
[53:57] Speaker 2: They they did it like they made They made beautiful stuff.
[54:01] Speaker 2: It was part of their ethos at the time, even
[54:04] Speaker 2: down to the point of I'm reading through records, minutes
[54:09] Speaker 2: and and testimonies and things from state legislatures, you know,
[54:14] Speaker 2: their General Assembly meeting records and stuff, and whoever is
[54:17] Speaker 2: recording this stuff instead of just saying all right. Congressman
[54:21] Speaker 2: Smith talked about this, and then after that, Congressman Harrison
[54:25] Speaker 2: talked about this. No, they're like weaving in Bible allegories
[54:30] Speaker 2: and poetic metaphors and stuff in between it all, and
[54:33] Speaker 2: like you know, they were adorning even the public court
[54:38] Speaker 2: or public legislature archive records that almost nobody ever is
[54:42] Speaker 2: going to read or care about with the same level
[54:45] Speaker 2: of beauty and artistry as this concession stand here. So
[54:49] Speaker 2: understand that that is so radically different than the way
[54:52] Speaker 2: that society is now and how most people operate quick.
[54:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, it just goes in hand with the degradation of
[54:58] Speaker 1: our intelligence and society as a whole.
[55:01] Speaker 3: We just don't care as much as we used to.
[55:05] Speaker 2: And that is something that is a real fuel in
[55:07] Speaker 2: the Tartar theory is people are like, man, look what
[55:11] Speaker 2: we lost. And I'm with you on the look what
[55:15] Speaker 2: we lost. The difference is, I think this is us.
[55:19] Speaker 2: We did this, you know. And And the easiest explanation
[55:24] Speaker 2: that I can give, that's if we want a broad
[55:26] Speaker 2: sweeping explanation, is the difference between the Gilded Age is
[55:31] Speaker 2: this time period is called and later is it's called
[55:34] Speaker 2: central banking, federal reserve, fiat currency. You know, this was
[55:39] Speaker 2: a time where your dollar bill could get you gold. Yeah, right,
[55:43] Speaker 2: there was. There was not the same kind of wealth
[55:45] Speaker 2: extraction and corruption. I mean, yes, corruption existed. The Civil
[55:50] Speaker 2: War was before this, for example, right, but it wasn't
[55:53] Speaker 2: as bad yet. It just has gotten worse and worse,
[55:56] Speaker 2: and that's why things have gotten cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.
[55:59] Speaker 2: Were like that a theory of mine.
[56:02] Speaker 3: It makes sense, feeling, it makes a lot of sense.
[56:06] Speaker 2: There's a real feeling behind buying this. Here's some construction photos.
[56:12] Speaker 2: Here you go, there's the steel framing. Now I got
[56:15] Speaker 2: so granular with this because people will look at photos
[56:19] Speaker 2: and they'll say these photos are fake or these photos
[56:20] Speaker 2: are impossible. And I got down to the level of
[56:25] Speaker 2: investigating photos based on this little beauty right here in
[56:29] Speaker 2: the archive. This is called a QP card, and it
[56:33] Speaker 2: is a photography calibration tool and it has a specific measurement.
[56:38] Speaker 2: There's a manufacturer description of this little object right here,
[56:43] Speaker 2: and it is a certain size. I think it's like
[56:45] Speaker 2: one hundred and forty millimeters fourteen centimeters on the long edge.
[56:49] Speaker 2: So I was getting so crazy as to, uh, let's
[56:52] Speaker 2: see if I can show you an example in my slides,
[56:57] Speaker 2: I was taking this bad boy, the QP card. I
[57:00] Speaker 2: was putting it on a grid in Photoshop. I was
[57:02] Speaker 2: making the grid for one centimeter blocks or something, and
[57:05] Speaker 2: I think that's how I did it here and yeah, yeah,
[57:08] Speaker 2: this is fourteen blocks. I think it's one hundred and
[57:11] Speaker 2: forty two millimeters, so it's fourteen point two centimeters. That's
[57:14] Speaker 2: why there's a little overage here now. So I was
[57:17] Speaker 2: doing that and calibrating each photo. I examined against the
[57:21] Speaker 2: QP card on my one by one centimeter grid, so
[57:24] Speaker 2: I could figure out an approximation of the size of
[57:27] Speaker 2: this photo because in doing that, I'm able to tell
[57:30] Speaker 2: what type of camera took the picture. Wow, this is
[57:34] Speaker 2: how crazy I got. So like this, as you can see,
[57:37] Speaker 2: the QP card is small or I'm big. I mean
[57:40] Speaker 2: the photo is smaller than the QP card here and
[57:43] Speaker 2: then here the photo is dramatically bigger, right. And so
[57:48] Speaker 2: you'll look at a photo like going back to this,
[57:51] Speaker 2: and people will point at this and say, this photo
[57:53] Speaker 2: makes no sense for the time because these people are
[57:56] Speaker 2: clearly moving and they're not blurry, right, So how is
[58:01] Speaker 2: that possible? Because you know, photographs took like five minutes
[58:06] Speaker 2: to do an exposure at this time. It turns out
[58:08] Speaker 2: that that's not true. We're talking about the eighteen nineties here,
[58:12] Speaker 2: and in eighteen eighty eight Eastman and Kodak we released
[58:15] Speaker 2: the first handheld instant camera that you could actually just
[58:19] Speaker 2: point and shoot and it exposed onto a negative that
[58:23] Speaker 2: you would then send. When it filled up the cartridge,
[58:25] Speaker 2: you'd send it back to the manufacturer and they would
[58:28] Speaker 2: develop your photos and send them send you your camera
[58:30] Speaker 2: back with your photos and a fresh role for you
[58:33] Speaker 2: to take more pictures. So the difference between this scale
[58:37] Speaker 2: of photo looking at this right here and this going back,
[58:44] Speaker 2: this scale of photo is that this dimension. I mean,
[58:48] Speaker 2: I have the numbers, I have the math. I have
[58:50] Speaker 2: it all, you know. I laid it all out in
[58:52] Speaker 2: exhaustive detail. I did the I did the hyperfocal math
[58:57] Speaker 2: of Jesus, like Len's science. He used to be a photographer.
[59:00] Speaker 2: I was literally an architectural photographer in for a few
[59:04] Speaker 2: years earlier in my life. So I'm not like totally
[59:08] Speaker 2: anew about this, and so I went at it with
[59:10] Speaker 2: that kind of mindset of hyperfocal math, like could this
[59:14] Speaker 2: what's the exposure time? Et cetera. And anyway, this one
[59:17] Speaker 2: was easy because the size of the photo is the
[59:19] Speaker 2: exact same dimensions as those quick handheld photo cameras of
[59:23] Speaker 2: the time, and these are in an archive. The photographer
[59:26] Speaker 2: is listed. He's a big photographer of the time, professional
[59:29] Speaker 2: out of New York, no doubt in my mind. He
[59:32] Speaker 2: had more than one camera and was able to do
[59:35] Speaker 2: different styles. So he took this one with the quick shot. Therefore,
[59:38] Speaker 2: it was almost an instant exposure. He could get these
[59:40] Speaker 2: guys in motion, no problem. This one required. I did
[59:45] Speaker 2: the math on this one, you know, and I was
[59:48] Speaker 2: very I was very suspicious. So I was like, look
[59:50] Speaker 2: at those flags. Aren't even blurry. I mean, you can't
[59:54] Speaker 2: really make the case because zooming in you lose a
[59:56] Speaker 2: lot of resolution. And I would love to just go
[59:58] Speaker 2: to the archive and see this up close with a
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: magnifying glass. Right, but even those flags in the distance,
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: they're not blurry. And look how far the exposure goes.
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: All the way down here you have everything in the
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: shot is perfectly in focus. I was like, if anything
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: is suspicious, it's this picture. I wanted to know. So
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: I will let me get to that point in my
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: notes real quick. Okay, so let me I'm just going
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: to read you this section. Okay. This is called the
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: Court of Honor. This is the canal at the Court
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: of Honor, and we're looking at this full architectural facade.
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: I believe this is I'm pretty sure this is the
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: Palace of Fine Arts, which actually was kept. This is
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: the one building of the whole fair that was kept
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: and is now still around as a museum, a living
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: museum today, and.
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: The one we're looking at right now with the flags
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: on it.
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty damn sure that that's what that
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: building is. It's been a few weeks since I looked
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: at this, so okay, so the full facade isn't focused
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: very large depth of field. That's called me that you
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: have a long foreground and focus and far away in
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: the distance and focus. I did the calibration for this
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: photo in the same manner as what you know I
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: showed you with the other one. Here it is you know,
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: I did the measureb So this is a sixteen x
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: twenty photo. That was the closest it landed to. That
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: size of plate means it has to have been one
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: of the larger tripod format cameras. So this is a
[1:01:26] Speaker 2: big camera mounted on a tripod, more like what you
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: would imagine a late nineteenth century camera to be. And
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: so again I needed to answer the question about these
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: flags apparently blowing in the wind but in focus. Is
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: that suspicious? So I'm just gonna run through it real quick.
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: The depth of field demand here is serious. So I
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: ran the focal hyperfocal math. I did not try to
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: guess an aperture. There is a rule of thumb with
[1:01:54] Speaker 2: photography called it's called sunny sixteen. And what that means
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: is that full sunlight, you probably like, in full sunlight,
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: you will probably use F stop sixteen is what it's called.
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: Each F stop is setting on a camera is going
[1:02:12] Speaker 2: to change the amount of light that is getting into
[1:02:15] Speaker 2: the lens. And so it's like making the pinhole that
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: is sending light to the negative to expose it larger
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: or smaller. So the rule of thumb, just starting with
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: the basic photography principle, full sunlight, sunny sixteen sixteen is
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: the F stop. That's literally like a thing they teach you.
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: Now we need to consider the fact that we have
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: a big, far away depth of field here, and that's
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: probably going to require an aperture closer to the F
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: forty five, right, which is almost to the ceiling of
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: the diffraction ceiling. You don't really you can't really go
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: past F sixty four and get any more clarity out
[1:02:56] Speaker 2: of a photo. So what this means is each F
[1:03:00] Speaker 2: stop that you go up is going to double the
[1:03:04] Speaker 2: exposure time needed for the photo. All right, So a
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: photograph at ISO twelve. ISO is the technical term in
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: modern photography for how sensitive the what's being exposed is
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: which would be a like sort of a digital sensor today.
[1:03:22] Speaker 2: Back then it would be a a plate, a physical plate.
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: Now that, according to the technical literature I could find
[1:03:30] Speaker 2: about the older era photography is these kind of cameras
[1:03:33] Speaker 2: would be at about ISO twelve. There's a little bit
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: of a range. So I actually picked the one that
[1:03:38] Speaker 2: would be the slowest to expose in the range, and
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: that was ISO twelve. So all right, ISO twelve sunny
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: sixteen is a is basically one twelfth of a second
[1:03:54] Speaker 2: exposure time. That's the math. One twelfth of a second,
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: all right. But if we're going up f stops, sixteen
[1:04:00] Speaker 2: to forty five is what I guessed would be reasonable
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: for this photo in this lighting, and that's give. That's generous.
[1:04:07] Speaker 2: It could be less, could be a shorter f stop
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: and still work. That multiplies because you're going three stops.
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: It's two times two times two times two, which is
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: times eight, meaning we're multiplying one twelfth of a second
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: by eight. That's two thirds of a second, all right,
[1:04:23] Speaker 2: So realistically it's possible that this photo could have been
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: under one second exposure time. Also, the flags of the
[1:04:33] Speaker 2: period were made out of wool bunting that was really
[1:04:36] Speaker 2: thick and heavy, and they would actually hold their shape
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: longer than our nylon flags that are all like limp
[1:04:43] Speaker 2: and kind of gay. These were like heavy wool flags.
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: So my point being, everything about this photo once I
[1:04:51] Speaker 2: did the math, you know, even it's possible that this
[1:04:55] Speaker 2: could have been a longer exposure two or three seconds,
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: maybe even five I could stretch if it was like
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: a cast day. But these this era of photography, famously
[1:05:05] Speaker 2: the sky would blow out in the photo if it
[1:05:07] Speaker 2: was really well lit outside, if it was really sunny outside.
[1:05:10] Speaker 2: If you look at the shadows, the shadows are really
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: close to being under people, which is like mid day
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: as bright as it gets, right. So what that tells
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: me is probably this is a super sunny day. Even
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: one of the things they point out in Tartaria research
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: is how the sky looks drawn on or fake, and
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: that's something that photographers did all the time because of
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: this very phenomenon of their camera technology on a sunny
[1:05:37] Speaker 2: day would cause the sky to be totally blown out
[1:05:39] Speaker 2: and blank white, and they're like, that doesn't look good.
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: We need some clouds in there. Even if their work clouds,
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: this would happen. So my point being this blown out
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: white sky, this size of photo obviously mid day. As
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: far as I can tell, this probably exposed. And this
[1:05:55] Speaker 2: was a shot that was almost an instant exposure, less
[1:05:58] Speaker 2: than a second. Heavy wool flags, no problem, they would
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: have held their shape. Like. So this was how I went.
[1:06:05] Speaker 2: I went this hard on a lot of photos. I
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: was like, I wasn't satisfied with just the one. We
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: checked out this photo. We checked out this indoor photo,
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: and I was like, no way, hell, this photos real right,
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: Like we're indoors. The lighting is so different, like it
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: would take even longer to expose. But then I saw
[1:06:21] Speaker 2: how the light was coming in from above, and I went, okay,
[1:06:24] Speaker 2: was there a skylight on this building? Actually turns out yeah,
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: there was. You can see it right here. There's a skylight.
[1:06:31] Speaker 2: There's a skylight right there, sewan. So we're almost getting
[1:06:34] Speaker 2: full daylight in this photo. Anyway, I looked at several
[1:06:38] Speaker 2: photos this one, is it suspicious? Doesn't have a QP card?
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: You know, We went through as many as I felt
[1:06:44] Speaker 2: like was reasonable before I was like, these all check out.
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: They're all feasible. No one's proving to me that these
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: are fake photos or altered photos all of them were
[1:06:54] Speaker 2: within the realm of possible for the technology of the time,
[1:06:57] Speaker 2: all right, So that was like, I know, we're just
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: kind of jumping through different pieces. I also have tons
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: of I have tons of material that I accumulated in
[1:07:06] Speaker 2: this like four hour presentation on my channel regarding the
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: construction method, the you know, the logistics question that they're
[1:07:17] Speaker 2: always telling you is impossible, and what you find out
[1:07:20] Speaker 2: is some pretty like they did some amazing stuff. Honestly,
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: what I came away from this thinking was like how
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: hard America was crushing at that time, right, Yeah, And
[1:07:31] Speaker 2: I thought I actually got stoked about I did this
[1:07:33] Speaker 2: one around the fourth of July and I was like, oh,
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: this is my fourth of July two hundred and fiftieth. Yeah, baby,
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: the American dream was real back then. They were just crushing.
[1:07:44] Speaker 2: And honestly, it's impossible to give the a really detailed
[1:07:48] Speaker 2: analysis of evidence in one talk. But again, this is
[1:07:52] Speaker 2: just not a sex let me turn off the screen shot.
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: Not as sexy as making far out claims and jumping
[1:07:58] Speaker 2: from one to another really quick.
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: No, but it's great work and it's necessary. Like I
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: said earlier, I wanted to ask you have you looked
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: it all into the possibility of a mud flood, a
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: massive mud flood event, the evidence being that the buildings
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: are somewhat buried and we have half a window showing
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: from the ground up, and that's the evidence that there
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: was a mud flood. For most of the researchers, have
[1:08:26] Speaker 1: you looked in anything surrounding.
[1:08:28] Speaker 2: That I intend to the thing that is okay? One
[1:08:32] Speaker 2: I looked at it in context to Chicago for the
[1:08:35] Speaker 2: World's Fair, right, because that would be important. And what
[1:08:38] Speaker 2: I did find was documentation that Chicago itself purposefully raised
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: street level back in an era where the roads were dirt.
[1:08:48] Speaker 2: They were doing some they did some intentional grading, brought
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: in dirt and took dirt away in different places, and
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: so some existing buildings were actually partially covered up by
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: that process where they're trying to level out the streets
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: in town. Now, that is that is not enough to
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: throw out mudflood theory, right, But all I'll say is
[1:09:11] Speaker 2: all I've done, all I have done that topic is
[1:09:13] Speaker 2: found that there is some evidence or precedence that the
[1:09:17] Speaker 2: burying thing actually happened on purpose. Sometimes but you know,
[1:09:23] Speaker 2: liquefaction is real when earthquakes occur. That's true. I'm not
[1:09:27] Speaker 2: throwing that out. The thing about this genre, conspiracy genre,
[1:09:31] Speaker 2: is it's almost like a grand unifying theory for at
[1:09:35] Speaker 2: least the historical side of conspiracy culture, right, maybe not
[1:09:39] Speaker 2: not to do with like the spiritual future side, but
[1:09:41] Speaker 2: there is even overlap there, and there's so many different
[1:09:46] Speaker 2: wings to the conspiracy constellation in this that I cannot
[1:09:52] Speaker 2: I cannot reasonably respond to all parts of it at once,
[1:09:58] Speaker 2: you know, Like right now, I'm just I'm just destroying
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: the whole asylum thing because I'm kind of fascinated in
[1:10:04] Speaker 2: that on a side quest in the sense that it's
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: also taught me a lot about the history of mental
[1:10:10] Speaker 2: illness in the country, and I'm having this meta experience
[1:10:14] Speaker 2: where mental illness is coming at me and I'm like,
[1:10:17] Speaker 2: maybe we need to bring them back. We need to
[1:10:19] Speaker 2: get this asylums back in action, you know. Yeah, I
[1:10:25] Speaker 2: mean that's that's where I'm at. I've looked at the
[1:10:28] Speaker 2: I've looked at Saint Louis and Chicago World's Fairs. I
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: haven't put the Saint Louis one on the record. If
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: you want, actually, I could show you another one real quick.
[1:10:37] Speaker 2: That this is not released anywhere. We'll probably go into it.
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: This one's shorter, and I can go through this one
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: in great detail. It's actually pretty interesting. So I'm basically
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: just been doing my best. When somebody brings something up
[1:10:49] Speaker 2: to me and says, hey, but what about this? Then
[1:10:52] Speaker 2: I go look at it, and when I have time,
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: you know, I put it on a list and I
[1:10:56] Speaker 2: go look at it. So one of them that was
[1:10:58] Speaker 2: brought up to me, Hey, I look at this was
[1:11:01] Speaker 2: called Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, Canada, and I started
[1:11:06] Speaker 2: looking at that and it led me to Insane Asylums.
[1:11:10] Speaker 2: And I had to put this aside because it didn't
[1:11:13] Speaker 2: fit into the Insane Asylums episode. And so this is
[1:11:16] Speaker 2: not like a finished PowerPoint, but I will be able
[1:11:19] Speaker 2: to show you some PowerPoint images. Let me bring it up.
[1:11:23] Speaker 2: This is a cool case because I was like, oh great,
[1:11:27] Speaker 2: here's something that's really hard to explain. Let's get into it.
[1:11:29] Speaker 2: Can I explain it maple Leaf Gardens. I'm going to
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: just go through the notes as if I was presenting
[1:11:36] Speaker 2: my show. It was pointed out to me as suspicious
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: by a very popular TikToker YouTuber in this lane. I
[1:11:45] Speaker 2: won't say who. The building when in Toronto is supposedly
[1:11:49] Speaker 2: built in five months and twelve days, and that's why
[1:11:53] Speaker 2: it was suspicious. But it was built in November or sorry,
[1:11:57] Speaker 2: from June first November twelfth, in nineteen thirty one. So
[1:12:02] Speaker 2: this is another thing that I immediately was like, bro,
[1:12:05] Speaker 2: you guys are telling me that buildings built in the
[1:12:08] Speaker 2: thirties were already there in a city that's been there
[1:12:11] Speaker 2: for a long time, like nobody noticed, nobody talked about it.
[1:12:17] Speaker 2: But okay, let's do our due diligence on this. Let's
[1:12:20] Speaker 2: do it. The first step was to find architectural drawings
[1:12:23] Speaker 2: and blueprints for the building. I found that these records
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: do physically exist, but are not currently available for public
[1:12:30] Speaker 2: access because of the fragile condition.
[1:12:34] Speaker 3: All right, yeah, the quote unquote fragile condition.
[1:12:36] Speaker 2: But they're digitized. Here you go. Here's some blueprint drawings
[1:12:40] Speaker 2: right here. Looks like a blueprint that you would expect
[1:12:45] Speaker 2: from the thirties. To me, I see no problem with it.
[1:12:48] Speaker 2: Here's another drawing from the time from one of the architects.
[1:12:50] Speaker 2: The architects are named down here, Ross McDonald, jack some
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: such an McKenzie. I have it all listed in my
[1:13:00] Speaker 2: notes I'm just kind of skimming here. Here's another another
[1:13:05] Speaker 2: drawing there. It is the arena. This is a hockey arena,
[1:13:09] Speaker 2: by the way, it's the Toronto Maple Leafs and they
[1:13:11] Speaker 2: built it in five months. You're like, holy crap, this
[1:13:14] Speaker 2: is really big. It's actually a crazy story. It's a
[1:13:18] Speaker 2: crazy story to imagine building something this fast. What they
[1:13:22] Speaker 2: say about buildings like this usually this person, I'm not
[1:13:25] Speaker 2: examining their article. And this was kind of the downfall
[1:13:28] Speaker 2: of this part of the investigation was like I had
[1:13:30] Speaker 2: nobody to go up against in their claims. It was
[1:13:33] Speaker 2: just someone said this isn't real because it was built
[1:13:37] Speaker 2: five months. That was all I had. So nobody made
[1:13:40] Speaker 2: that claim to me about no drawings or blueprints, but
[1:13:43] Speaker 2: just the speed of construction was suspicious. But we're finding
[1:13:46] Speaker 2: the documentation. Have we can. This is a building three
[1:13:49] Speaker 2: hundred and fifty by two hundred and eighty two feet
[1:13:51] Speaker 2: thirteen stories high. It featured a massive two hundred and
[1:13:55] Speaker 2: seven by two hundred and twenty five steel dome rising
[1:13:57] Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty feet above street level. By
[1:13:59] Speaker 2: the these are I'm showing you construction photos here.
[1:14:03] Speaker 1: Ye.
[1:14:04] Speaker 2: According to let's check the labor story less than six months.
[1:14:08] Speaker 2: That must have That must mean it already existed. The
[1:14:11] Speaker 2: story is that twelve hundred laborers worked around the clock
[1:14:15] Speaker 2: in three eight hour shifts. So if you assume a
[1:14:18] Speaker 2: normal building project might only use one or two shifts,
[1:14:21] Speaker 2: you could think about it this way. One hundred and
[1:14:23] Speaker 2: sixty five days that are double the work of an
[1:14:25] Speaker 2: average day is three hundred and thirty days. Triple the
[1:14:28] Speaker 2: work of an average day is four hundred and ninety
[1:14:30] Speaker 2: five days. So in a way, based on what we
[1:14:33] Speaker 2: normally think about a work day, you could also say
[1:14:36] Speaker 2: that this project was like taking a year plus like
[1:14:39] Speaker 2: a year and a half because of these accelerated triple shifts. That's,
[1:14:45] Speaker 2: you know, to me, that seems reasonable. I don't think
[1:14:49] Speaker 2: I have all my photos. Let me pull this one
[1:14:51] Speaker 2: up and put it over here is I think of
[1:14:55] Speaker 2: the restart the share real quick.
[1:14:57] Speaker 3: They were just much more motivated back in the day.
[1:15:00] Speaker 2: Man, Well, think about the red tape now versus in
[1:15:04] Speaker 2: earlier time too, like safety bureaucracy, you could have got
[1:15:10] Speaker 2: more stuff done. Here we see that they had a
[1:15:14] Speaker 2: railroad that went to it. This is the address eight
[1:15:17] Speaker 2: sixty four eighty six to fifty four Carlton and Church Street.
[1:15:21] Speaker 2: That's where it's at in Toronto. They had a temporary
[1:15:23] Speaker 2: rail line that was built to bring materials to the site.
[1:15:27] Speaker 2: According to the official narrative, this happened in the Great Depression,
[1:15:31] Speaker 2: So the owners of the building, By the way, during
[1:15:33] Speaker 2: the Great Depression, not everybody was broke. The halves had
[1:15:38] Speaker 2: plenty and the halves not were fucked up. That's just
[1:15:41] Speaker 2: like how it always happens, you know now, right, No
[1:15:44] Speaker 2: big deal, like it was not that this couldn't get
[1:15:46] Speaker 2: done just because of the Great Depression. Don't think that.
[1:15:49] Speaker 2: That's what Great Depression means. The owners of the building
[1:15:53] Speaker 2: actually were able to get it done by offering construction
[1:15:57] Speaker 2: workers and union members part of their pay and company stock,
[1:16:01] Speaker 2: so they're incentivized to succeed on target the goal to
[1:16:05] Speaker 2: get it done in time for the schedule that they
[1:16:09] Speaker 2: had in mind. So because they thought the sooner they
[1:16:12] Speaker 2: get it finished, the sooner the arena opens and generates revenue,
[1:16:16] Speaker 2: the sooner we get to profit because we're getting stock
[1:16:18] Speaker 2: in it. Great, that's still an amazing story to build
[1:16:22] Speaker 2: such a large building that fast. But on the face
[1:16:24] Speaker 2: of it, I don't even see a problem still, if
[1:16:27] Speaker 2: we're going to be uh, I think the best way
[1:16:31] Speaker 2: to handle this is to just get into the actual
[1:16:35] Speaker 2: article to show you. From here you can see can
[1:16:38] Speaker 2: you see what I'm looking at?
[1:16:39] Speaker 3: Yes?
[1:16:40] Speaker 2: Okay. So the next thing I did, this is how
[1:16:44] Speaker 2: meticulous I was trying to be. I started looking at
[1:16:47] Speaker 2: old naps of Toronto from earlier to see if I
[1:16:51] Speaker 2: could find any evidence that something was already here at
[1:16:56] Speaker 2: Carlton Street and Church Street, the intersection. So here's the
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: at eight four map of Toronto. The street names were
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: the same as they were now, Maple leaf gardens. This
[1:17:05] Speaker 2: is not a good enough photo to be able to tell,
[1:17:08] Speaker 2: but it is built. It. I have more photos where
[1:17:10] Speaker 2: I think I've highlighted it. Yeah. Here we go, as
[1:17:15] Speaker 2: you can see on this map, circle to areas where
[1:17:18] Speaker 2: they're seeming to put important buildings and structures. Labels. Got College,
[1:17:23] Speaker 2: you got Parliament, you got Osgood Hall, very famous building,
[1:17:27] Speaker 2: Knox College. You know. It goes on and on and
[1:17:30] Speaker 2: Carlton Streets and Church are not shown to have any
[1:17:36] Speaker 2: kind of important building like that. Yeah, this is it.
[1:17:41] Speaker 2: Carlton runs right here, Church runs right here. So Carlton Church,
[1:17:50] Speaker 2: It's like right right here where this red X is
[1:17:52] Speaker 2: at down in bottom right of it. This empty block
[1:17:56] Speaker 2: is where the building would have been if it already existed.
[1:18:00] Speaker 2: So this is a map from eighteen eighty four. But
[1:18:03] Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, they could have just not put it
[1:18:05] Speaker 2: on the map because of Tartaria or whatever. Even though
[1:18:09] Speaker 2: there are buildings on this map that they will point
[1:18:11] Speaker 2: to and say our old world buildings. So why wouldn't
[1:18:15] Speaker 2: they have admitted to the existence of this old world
[1:18:18] Speaker 2: building that was that were lied to and it actually
[1:18:21] Speaker 2: it was said to have been built in the thirties.
[1:18:23] Speaker 2: It's just crazy. So here again circled in red. Nothing there.
[1:18:27] Speaker 2: I went through a shitload of old maps of Toronto.
[1:18:31] Speaker 2: Nothing in this one here I zoomed in so you
[1:18:35] Speaker 2: could tell nothing on this one and this one nothing here.
[1:18:41] Speaker 2: And still we have labels for important buildings that are
[1:18:44] Speaker 2: big and significant, like the hospital and the college and YadA, YadA,
[1:18:49] Speaker 2: nothing here. Guys. You know they love to look at
[1:18:52] Speaker 2: old maps, right, This map proves old maps the shit
[1:18:57] Speaker 2: that came across the atlas of an atlas, So the
[1:19:00] Speaker 2: city of Toronto from nineteen ten. This was hard to
[1:19:03] Speaker 2: look through, but I searched through it. Until I found
[1:19:05] Speaker 2: street and lot plans for this intersection. This is a
[1:19:10] Speaker 2: literal street by street, intersection by intersection city planning book
[1:19:16] Speaker 2: from nineteen ten. Well, here's Carlton and Church and just
[1:19:20] Speaker 2: like the official narrative says, it's housing, And just like
[1:19:24] Speaker 2: the pictures of the construction photos, there's housing around it.
[1:19:29] Speaker 2: Maybe I don't have those in the original PowerPoint, but
[1:19:32] Speaker 2: I can pull I think I saved them in the article.
[1:19:35] Speaker 2: So oh yes, oh yes, here you go. You see
[1:19:38] Speaker 2: the houses by it? Yeah, and you see how the
[1:19:41] Speaker 2: nineteen ten shows housing and that spot. I don't know
[1:19:45] Speaker 2: about you, but I see no reason to doubt that
[1:19:49] Speaker 2: this actually got built. I mean, here's more construction photos.
[1:19:53] Speaker 2: You see them putting on the dome. You see all
[1:19:56] Speaker 2: the different facets of the construction. These are from public
[1:19:59] Speaker 2: archives of Canada. I show you the source of the record. Wow,
[1:20:04] Speaker 2: I leaved through this and pun intended because it's the
[1:20:07] Speaker 2: maple leafs. And I found no evidence that this was
[1:20:11] Speaker 2: already existing. So keep sending me stuff and telling me
[1:20:15] Speaker 2: it's sus I'll keep finding the records. And no one
[1:20:18] Speaker 2: has proven to me any evidence of why they think
[1:20:21] Speaker 2: what they think. But I have never received so much
[1:20:25] Speaker 2: ad hominem against me, so many people getting pissed off.
[1:20:29] Speaker 2: And again the majority of listeners they don't do that.
[1:20:31] Speaker 2: I'm not calling everyone that believes Tartaria even after what
[1:20:34] Speaker 2: I showed them to be like culti or bad. It's
[1:20:37] Speaker 2: just certain people are flipping out about it. It's great, yeah,
[1:20:42] Speaker 2: and that maple leaf one. I could have gotten more throo,
[1:20:45] Speaker 2: like more financial records, more stuff like that. But in
[1:20:49] Speaker 2: the process, I was looking at the old maps of
[1:20:52] Speaker 2: Toronto and I saw all these grand buildings from an
[1:20:56] Speaker 2: eighteen fifty map and I was like, holy shit, here
[1:20:59] Speaker 2: there's got You know, this maple leaf gardens thing is nonsense.
[1:21:02] Speaker 2: Let's look for older grand buildings. And that's what led
[1:21:05] Speaker 2: me to the Toronto Asylum and that's what put me
[1:21:07] Speaker 2: on the path of asylums in general. So that was
[1:21:11] Speaker 2: kind of the path and why I didn't bother presenting
[1:21:13] Speaker 2: maple leaf gardens to anybody before you, because it's like,
[1:21:16] Speaker 2: it's just silly. It was just silly, like you're telling
[1:21:20] Speaker 2: me they're fake, Like they'll tell me that the Empire
[1:21:22] Speaker 2: State Building, also built in the thirties, already existed and
[1:21:27] Speaker 2: is a cover up in New York City.
[1:21:29] Speaker 3: It's like ridiculous, Get out of here.
[1:21:32] Speaker 2: Somebody would have noticed. Somebody would have noticed, all right,
[1:21:36] Speaker 2: and then they'll say, well, it's very suspicious how fast
[1:21:38] Speaker 2: they built it? Okay, well maybe I'll look into that.
[1:21:41] Speaker 2: Maybe there's a story there. But maybe you're right, and
[1:21:44] Speaker 2: it took longer to build and somehow no one noticed who.
[1:21:48] Speaker 2: But honestly, it's silly like that stuff. Facilly. If anything,
[1:21:53] Speaker 2: it's worth looking at the nineteenth century stuff because it's
[1:21:55] Speaker 2: such a fuzzier view through the Tellus scope of history.
[1:22:01] Speaker 2: But nineteen thirties, give me a break something, Bilter.
[1:22:05] Speaker 3: I love it. Keep up this work.
[1:22:07] Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see where everything is going to
[1:22:11] Speaker 1: take you with this before we close out any final
[1:22:15] Speaker 1: thoughts about what you presented, and also remind the audience
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: how they can get more of you.
[1:22:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot more to the story
[1:22:23] Speaker 2: if people actually go check out an episode I did.
[1:22:27] Speaker 2: I guess debunking the Book of Revelation as an authentic
[1:22:30] Speaker 2: prophecy and a very similar process finding where it comes
[1:22:34] Speaker 2: from the whole chain of custody of the documents, because
[1:22:37] Speaker 2: the whole apocalyptic thinking ties into this very thing. The
[1:22:42] Speaker 2: little season of Satan theory has been mashed into tartaria
[1:22:47] Speaker 2: by a lot of people, and it's all equally silly.
[1:22:50] Speaker 2: And in that episode I actually demonstrate the psychological fall
[1:22:53] Speaker 2: of man that came about around the time of Christianity,
[1:22:56] Speaker 2: the shift from Paganism to Christianity as the dominant Western
[1:23:01] Speaker 2: mental operating system. And that one, that one's really deep.
[1:23:07] Speaker 2: If you listen to that and you get to the
[1:23:08] Speaker 2: section where I talk about the difference of the worldview
[1:23:13] Speaker 2: and the mind of the pagan antiquity versus the modern worldview,
[1:23:18] Speaker 2: you'll see, like the seeds of this sort of you
[1:23:22] Speaker 2: you think the wrong thing, therefore you're bad. It comes
[1:23:27] Speaker 2: from back then, you know, it comes from the beginning
[1:23:30] Speaker 2: of a religion where salvation was became Instead of being
[1:23:34] Speaker 2: based on what you do and like rituals you do socially,
[1:23:37] Speaker 2: your salvation became a contingent on thinking and believing the
[1:23:41] Speaker 2: right thing. Very it's a very deep subject, and I
[1:23:45] Speaker 2: can't go into it at the time we have left,
[1:23:47] Speaker 2: but there is you know, I have found some I
[1:23:50] Speaker 2: have found some strong evidence to support how we can
[1:23:54] Speaker 2: understand what this phenomenon is of How dare you in
[1:23:59] Speaker 2: terms of the belief system, which you know, conspiracy culture
[1:24:02] Speaker 2: is supposed to be free thinking, open minded, but sometimes
[1:24:06] Speaker 2: it can be as dogmatic and sometimes even more spiteful, hateful,
[1:24:12] Speaker 2: and rude than the mainstream that it's created as it's
[1:24:16] Speaker 2: like make us into its opposition. You know, if people
[1:24:20] Speaker 2: want more of what I'm doing, they can find me
[1:24:23] Speaker 2: at introverse podcast dot com. To my audi answer fans
[1:24:26] Speaker 2: that listen to this, I'm not gonna do this topic forever.
[1:24:30] Speaker 2: It's just what I'm interested in now. I have lots
[1:24:32] Speaker 2: of other stuff planned for the coming weeks that's not
[1:24:35] Speaker 2: in this lane. So you know, if you don't enjoy this,
[1:24:38] Speaker 2: no problem, but don't like don't ditch me just because
[1:24:44] Speaker 2: you don't like me talking about Tartar and being fake.
[1:24:47] Speaker 2: I will be doing plenty of other cool stuff too.
[1:24:50] Speaker 2: It's just what I'm into right now, and I can't
[1:24:53] Speaker 2: put it down until I've satisfied my full curiosity. But
[1:24:56] Speaker 2: thanks for letting me go over this. It's really cool
[1:24:58] Speaker 2: to be open my mind about it. And you know,
[1:25:01] Speaker 2: watch out for the mat and Bailey fallacy that I people.
[1:25:04] Speaker 2: You go back to that section and listen to me
[1:25:06] Speaker 2: describe that again. Watch out for doing it yourself, watch
[1:25:11] Speaker 2: out for people who are doing it and not realizing it,
[1:25:13] Speaker 2: and how it can be a convincing rhetorical tool that
[1:25:18] Speaker 2: is natural to us when we want to defend what
[1:25:22] Speaker 2: you want to believe. You know you got it. Literally,
[1:25:24] Speaker 2: I've been saying, like, I want to believe, I want
[1:25:26] Speaker 2: to believe in the old world cover up I do.
[1:25:29] Speaker 2: Show me, show me anything to make me believe in this,
[1:25:31] Speaker 2: and I can't find it. So I'm going to keep
[1:25:33] Speaker 2: looking though. There's a lot of wings to the whole thing.
[1:25:35] Speaker 2: And again, thank you for letting me go on and
[1:25:37] Speaker 2: on about it.
[1:25:38] Speaker 1: Well, this was essential information. We're definitely going to do
[1:25:41] Speaker 1: it again. Until next time. Everyone, have an excellent evening.
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