# FKN Classics Double Feature! Ken Swartz - Moon Aliens | Elisabeth Hancock - Spiritual Evolution

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 5 Sep 2026, 2 h 14 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Today I
[0:07] Speaker 1: want to welcome back to the show Ken Swartz. He
[0:10] Speaker 1: is founder and chief science officer of C60 Purple Power.
[0:14] Speaker 1: He has run several research science laboratories over the course
[0:17] Speaker 1: of his career and discovered C60 while developing the MOXIE
[0:21] Speaker 1: fusion reactor. Ken, welcome back. How are you doing?
[0:25] Speaker 2: Doing pretty good. How are you doing up in the
[0:28] Speaker 2: cold lands?
[0:30] Speaker 1: It's cold, but we're doing good, trying our best to
[0:32] Speaker 1: stay warm. Having a great time either way and looking
[0:36] Speaker 1: forward to the discussion. You sent me some very interesting
[0:39] Speaker 1: topics that we're going to discuss today, such as NASA blunders,
[0:44] Speaker 1: some that most never really hear about. And also, if
[0:48] Speaker 1: we have time, you have made a discovery about new
[0:52] Speaker 1: gravitational formulas today. which they may be magnitudes more accurate
[0:57] Speaker 1: than Newton's formulas, and were actually utilized by the Indian
[1:02] Speaker 1: Space Research Organization in their endeavors to the moon. So
[1:06] Speaker 1: this is fascinating. Before we get into this, remind the
[1:10] Speaker 1: audience just a bit about yourself and your contributions to
[1:13] Speaker 1: the world of C60 oils, and we'll get into a
[1:17] Speaker 1: little bit of the benefits of that as well before
[1:19] Speaker 1: we get too deep into these topics.
[1:21] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I am. I guess I'm a C60 power.
[1:24] Speaker 2: I'm kind of like the C60 guy. I've been around
[1:26] Speaker 2: for years and years. And, of course, you probably heard
[1:28] Speaker 2: that we got our C60 gummies. We've got our C60 products.
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[1:39] Speaker 2: So I went out and found this stuff called Carbon 60.
[1:41] Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people, dead professors and late
[1:46] Speaker 2: PhDs associated with Moxie Fusion. And, uh, which is what
[1:49] Speaker 2: we call it today. It used to be called Leonard and, uh,
[1:52] Speaker 2: cold fusion, but, uh, it's, it's solved. It's got solutions.
[1:55] Speaker 2: It's got patents and it's got multiple, uh, third-party verification.
[1:59] Speaker 2: So that part's all finished, but, uh, but it is
[2:02] Speaker 2: after taking C60, cause you know, they gave one set
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[2:11] Speaker 2: to have when you're doing radiation. So obviously we took it,
[2:14] Speaker 2: we're all still alive. And then, uh, when I went to, uh, get, uh,
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[2:33] Speaker 2: seen that happen before. I made it a product for
[2:34] Speaker 2: my electrical engineer, Gary Rodriguez, cause he had type two
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[3:04] Speaker 2: using C60 all over the world. I kind of was
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[3:19] Speaker 2: want a better energy, better mental focus, it really gets
[3:21] Speaker 2: the mitochondria going. And quite frankly, if you're in the
[3:24] Speaker 2: gray hair crowd, that's where C60 is going to get
[3:27] Speaker 2: you the best. You know, you get a little slow.
[3:28] Speaker 2: Things aren't working as well as you get older. You
[3:31] Speaker 2: know how that goes. I do. So taking C60 kind
[3:34] Speaker 2: of restarts all that good stuff. And you can go
[3:37] Speaker 2: to the websites, shopc60. com and read about it. There's also
[3:41] Speaker 2: a website, whatisc60. org. It's kind of one of those 5013Cs,
[3:45] Speaker 2: and it has like all the whole story about Carbon
[3:47] Speaker 2: 60 and all of its health benefits, which we can't
[3:50] Speaker 2: post because, you know, three-letter agencies say things. So you
[3:53] Speaker 2: can just go there to whatisc60. org and learn all about it.
[3:57] Speaker 2: And that's probably long enough because then we have more
[4:01] Speaker 2: things to talk about, and we can always talk about,
[4:04] Speaker 2: you know, C60 later. There's always new things happening with C60.
[4:09] Speaker 2: It's got a lot of industrial applications as well.
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[4:20] Speaker 1: 10% off your entire order. All right, so let's get
[4:24] Speaker 1: into some NASA blunders that most folks may have never
[4:29] Speaker 1: even heard about.
[4:31] Speaker 2: Well, I guess the big one is Apollo 13. Of course,
[4:34] Speaker 2: you remember that. It was gone the way to the moon,
[4:35] Speaker 2: and the oxygen tank blew up. Well, I was talking
[4:38] Speaker 2: to my dad, who was actually in the Apollo programs.
[4:41] Speaker 2: I could probably talk about that later. But what he
[4:44] Speaker 2: said is that oxygen tank, you know, it had some
[4:48] Speaker 2: internal stuff in it. What happens is they were building
[4:51] Speaker 2: the Apollo 13 and one of the guys with the
[4:53] Speaker 2: forklift had gone there to pick the tank up and
[4:57] Speaker 2: was taking it out and it fell. It fell about
[4:59] Speaker 2: six feet and hit the ground. And then they looked
[5:04] Speaker 2: at it and said, oh, it looks pretty good to me.
[5:06] Speaker 2: And they put it back on the pallet and it
[5:07] Speaker 2: went into Apollo 13. Of course, what those idiots didn't
[5:10] Speaker 2: know is that there was a bunch of internal stuff
[5:15] Speaker 2: in that for valve regulation and things, because you want
[5:17] Speaker 2: to pack things up. And so it was inside the thing.
[5:20] Speaker 2: So looking at it from the outside, of course, eventually
[5:23] Speaker 2: NASA did, after actually, I think I was the one
[5:25] Speaker 2: that broke the story, and NASA finally had to admit
[5:28] Speaker 2: that that had actually happened. But they said it fell
[5:31] Speaker 2: three inches, right? Yeah, never a straight answer. Yeah, three inches, right?
[5:37] Speaker 1: Let's address some of the conspiracies before we get too
[5:40] Speaker 1: deep into some of the blunders, because this is a
[5:42] Speaker 1: conspiracy show. And I know for a fact there are
[5:46] Speaker 1: plenty of folks that not only question the NASA narratives
[5:50] Speaker 1: and things coming out that are supposedly real pictures and
[5:55] Speaker 1: real videos from the moon landing, question that the moon
[6:00] Speaker 1: landing even happened. We have the Flat Earth conspiracies, so...
[6:05] Speaker 1: First of all, let's address some of those moon landing conspiracies.
[6:09] Speaker 1: Did we actually go? And why is the footage that
[6:14] Speaker 1: we see not matching up? Why is there so much
[6:18] Speaker 1: inconsistencies and strange things that really point to, at the least,
[6:25] Speaker 1: some doctored footage?
[6:27] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, there is something. Well, first off, we did
[6:29] Speaker 2: go to the moon. And the Japanese have spent spacecrafts
[6:31] Speaker 2: to the moon. And they have taken pictures of the
[6:33] Speaker 2: Apollo landing sites. Okay, and so have the Chinese. So
[6:37] Speaker 2: you can go out there and find, you can find
[6:38] Speaker 2: the Japanese photos. I'm not sure how much the Chinese
[6:41] Speaker 2: put up. But so you can actually do that. So
[6:44] Speaker 2: other people, Russians have probably taken pictures too. And I
[6:46] Speaker 2: don't know, they don't post much of anything ever. So
[6:49] Speaker 2: well for that. But so yeah, we were there. Now
[6:51] Speaker 2: there actually, and there actually was a moon video because
[6:55] Speaker 2: they had to, on the first landing of the moon,
[6:57] Speaker 2: they weren't sure whether the people would survive. And so
[7:01] Speaker 2: as a backup for that, I think, who was it?
[7:04] Speaker 2: Johnson or Nixon, whoever, I think it was Nixon that
[7:06] Speaker 2: does that, whatever it was. Anyway, they actually did make
[7:08] Speaker 2: a film because they were figuring if they landed on
[7:11] Speaker 2: the moon and crashed, what they'd do is they'd, they'd
[7:14] Speaker 2: made a film that they'd pretend that they'd actually landed
[7:16] Speaker 2: on the moon. And then during the takeoff from the moon,
[7:20] Speaker 2: there was a terrible accident and the astronauts died. And
[7:23] Speaker 2: that way they could at least, you know, claim that
[7:25] Speaker 2: they got there rather than they just crashed on the
[7:27] Speaker 2: moon's surface. But, but no, that's actually there. People have
[7:31] Speaker 2: seen the, you can actually, you know, other countries have
[7:34] Speaker 2: sent their spacecraft to the moon. You can see the
[7:35] Speaker 2: landing site. So it's there. And also one of the
[7:37] Speaker 2: things on the landing site, they put up these special
[7:40] Speaker 2: mirrors that always reflect back the way you set them.
[7:43] Speaker 2: They're like a cubicle solid mirror. And they use laser
[7:48] Speaker 2: pulses from the earth will fire at this mirror on
[7:50] Speaker 2: the moon. And then of course the light flights back
[7:53] Speaker 2: and you can measure within like millimeters how far away
[7:56] Speaker 2: the moon is from the earth. And this is part
[7:59] Speaker 2: of an ongoing science project. And so you can actually,
[8:02] Speaker 2: you know, you can go to the place and see
[8:05] Speaker 2: them do it. Or if you really had enough money,
[8:07] Speaker 2: you'd go do it yourself. So how did that reflective
[8:10] Speaker 2: mirror get on the moon that you yourself could fire
[8:12] Speaker 2: a laser at and get a reflection back if somebody
[8:17] Speaker 2: hadn't put it there, right? So it's pretty obvious that, yeah,
[8:20] Speaker 2: we went to the moon. But, you know, there's a
[8:21] Speaker 2: lot of things like all the, you know, it's all
[8:25] Speaker 2: the lunar photos actually go to a private corporation. before
[8:29] Speaker 2: they're released to us because it's illegal for certain ways
[8:32] Speaker 2: for government to censor things, but it's perfectly okay for
[8:35] Speaker 2: a private. So, you know, I don't know if you
[8:36] Speaker 2: remember Jose Escamilla and moon rising. No.
[8:41] Speaker 1: Okay.
[8:41] Speaker 2: Yeah. He was, he's passed away, but he was like
[8:43] Speaker 2: one of those, he made a lot of UFO films,
[8:45] Speaker 2: Roswell rods, and one of them was moon rising and
[8:48] Speaker 2: the Celeste mission, which was one of the first, I
[8:50] Speaker 2: think it was just an orbiter around the moon. And
[8:53] Speaker 2: then they released the photos, but, and, you know, cause
[8:56] Speaker 2: there's all kinds of, objects and other things on the
[8:59] Speaker 2: moon's surface, right? People say alien bases and leftovers, old
[9:04] Speaker 2: ruins and things. So there's a bunch of stuff up there,
[9:06] Speaker 2: and they don't want to see it. But in the
[9:08] Speaker 2: moon rising, Hosea's going to be a– I think you
[9:10] Speaker 2: can get the stuff from Gaia if you want to
[9:12] Speaker 2: buy it. And it's back in the day when they
[9:15] Speaker 2: did– because Hosea was a movie producer. What they did
[9:18] Speaker 2: is they airbrushed stuff out, right? But they didn't blend it.
[9:21] Speaker 2: They didn't understand the concept of blending it. So they
[9:24] Speaker 2: just brush out. So you'd see like dome that was
[9:27] Speaker 2: brushed out. You'd see like a little square building that
[9:29] Speaker 2: was brushed out. So yes, they brushed out all this
[9:32] Speaker 2: strange anomalous stuff on the moon, but they just brushed
[9:35] Speaker 2: out the object. They didn't blend it. So you couldn't tell.
[9:38] Speaker 2: So you could actually go up there. Do you see
[9:39] Speaker 2: all these, you know, these strange areas where, you know,
[9:42] Speaker 2: you can see that it's been blended. It's not been blended,
[9:45] Speaker 2: but it's been brushed out, but it's not been blended.
[9:46] Speaker 2: So you can see the silhouette of all the things
[9:49] Speaker 2: they did. And so there's a lot of ruins and
[9:52] Speaker 2: other stuff, who knows, maybe an active basis of the moon.
[9:55] Speaker 1: So would you say that's why what we see of
[9:58] Speaker 1: the moon landing? may be a fabrication compared to what
[10:03] Speaker 1: was really there?
[10:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, the other moon landings are probably more. They could have,
[10:07] Speaker 2: I don't know if they used the fabrication or they
[10:09] Speaker 2: actually used the real leads from it. It depends. But
[10:13] Speaker 2: they did have a film in reserve that they had
[10:15] Speaker 2: made on thing because my dad was in the NASA thing.
[10:19] Speaker 2: He actually, I'll tell you how he got into the
[10:21] Speaker 2: all of Paul. He was the expert on the Thor missile.
[10:25] Speaker 2: And so he had, so like when Bluegill Prime had
[10:29] Speaker 2: problems blowing up on the pad, they sent him out
[10:31] Speaker 2: there to fix that situation. That was vapor lock and
[10:34] Speaker 2: the kerosene pumps. And then another time when Genie Missile
[10:39] Speaker 2: kept getting sabotaged, they put him in charge of the
[10:41] Speaker 2: Genie Missile program and he managed to get around the
[10:43] Speaker 2: saboteurs who in the end were actually aliens, not commies. And, uh,
[10:49] Speaker 2: that's another story. And then, but so they sent him
[10:51] Speaker 2: to the moon. Cause what had happened is they'd, uh, they,
[10:54] Speaker 2: they were, they couldn't get enough thrust out of the
[10:56] Speaker 2: Apollo one rocket, the first stage to get to the moon.
[10:59] Speaker 2: And so they sent my dad there and my dad's
[11:01] Speaker 2: there was sitting on the table with 12 Germans, you know,
[11:03] Speaker 2: Warner Von Braun and his, his crew. And he goes up,
[11:06] Speaker 2: you know, he goes looking at the thing. He says,
[11:07] Speaker 2: you know, this just looks like a bunch of, uh,
[11:10] Speaker 2: V ones put together. And Warner Von Braun said, that
[11:13] Speaker 2: is exactly what it is. But, uh, So they needed
[11:17] Speaker 2: four more percent thrust out of the rocket engines from
[11:20] Speaker 2: the Saturn V, but they couldn't get them. And so
[11:23] Speaker 2: my dad was there six months. And I guess he
[11:25] Speaker 2: can't really claim, even though he's directing it, the fixing.
[11:29] Speaker 2: But one day, one of the fuel pumps broke. And
[11:34] Speaker 2: the drive shaft kind of broke. And so the pump
[11:38] Speaker 2: was just spinning free in the pipe. And they got
[11:41] Speaker 2: 7% more thrust. So they just got rid of the
[11:44] Speaker 2: pump and they put in a straight pipe and we
[11:46] Speaker 2: went to the moon. So I guess, you know, it's
[11:49] Speaker 2: not quite a heroic way to get to the moon,
[11:52] Speaker 2: but that's how they, that's the kind of one of
[11:54] Speaker 2: the barrier that got them to the moon. So they
[11:57] Speaker 2: got over it, which is missed by accident.
[12:00] Speaker 1: Well, you hear the transmissions. from the trip to the
[12:05] Speaker 1: moon where the astronauts are saying that there are other
[12:11] Speaker 1: objects kind of following them along.
[12:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, they call it Santa Claus. And then the last time,
[12:16] Speaker 2: the Apollo 17 mission, when the Apollo spacecraft left the
[12:21] Speaker 2: Earth's moon's gravity and then went into the Earth's gravity,
[12:23] Speaker 2: because you could listen, ham radio operators could listen in
[12:27] Speaker 2: on this. And a lot of them recorded it, right?
[12:29] Speaker 2: So you could actually listen to the Apollo astronauts talking
[12:31] Speaker 2: to NASA, there wasn't any way they could censor that.
[12:34] Speaker 2: They'd say things like, oh, we see Santa Claus, you know. Well,
[12:37] Speaker 2: that worked, you know, exactly. But there was a big transmission.
[12:41] Speaker 2: Everybody on Earth heard it and said, do not return.
[12:45] Speaker 2: And so that's why we never went back from Apollo 17.
[12:48] Speaker 2: And they actually made 20 Apollos. So there was three
[12:51] Speaker 2: that were sitting around. One of my friends flew on
[12:53] Speaker 2: one on a special mission. I can't talk about it.
[12:58] Speaker 2: He can someday. So that takes care of one of them.
[13:01] Speaker 2: But there still was two Apollos left, and I don't
[13:03] Speaker 2: know what the Air Force used. The Air Force took that.
[13:05] Speaker 2: That's why a lot of that NASA stuff disappeared about
[13:08] Speaker 2: the Apollo stuff. It's because the Air Force went in
[13:12] Speaker 2: there and cleaned out the documents because they had three
[13:14] Speaker 2: Apollos left, right? And they used one on a special
[13:17] Speaker 2: mission that I know of, and they have two others,
[13:20] Speaker 2: and I don't know what they– they might have used
[13:21] Speaker 2: those on other missions as well because they 20 were built.
[13:25] Speaker 2: So that's– yeah.
[13:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[13:29] Speaker 2: Maybe someday, though, we'll finally learn about those other three missions,
[13:32] Speaker 2: which were all classified, of course.
[13:34] Speaker 1: Well, going back to the NASA blunders, talk a little
[13:37] Speaker 1: bit about the loss of a Mars orbiter.
[13:41] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. It was called the Mars Climate Orbiter. And
[13:44] Speaker 2: what it is, they were sending it to Mars, of course.
[13:47] Speaker 2: And Mars, unlike the moon, has an atmosphere. And so
[13:49] Speaker 2: they have this maneuver called aerobraking. And that's where you
[13:53] Speaker 2: just barely have the spacecraft touch the top of the atmosphere.
[13:56] Speaker 2: Because it takes a lot of energy. Like if you
[13:57] Speaker 2: want to slow down a spacecraft, you'd have to have
[14:00] Speaker 2: a bigger tank and all that kind of stuff. So
[14:02] Speaker 2: to get over those limitations, you can just hit the
[14:05] Speaker 2: very top of the atmosphere just right, and it'll slow
[14:08] Speaker 2: your spacecraft down. You have a heat shield, right, so
[14:10] Speaker 2: it doesn't burn up. And it slows your spacecraft down
[14:13] Speaker 2: just enough to get into orbit. And so that was
[14:16] Speaker 2: the maneuver they were going to do with the Mars
[14:18] Speaker 2: Climate Orbiter. But what happened is, you know, Lockheed Martin,
[14:22] Speaker 2: which is down the street from me here, is they
[14:25] Speaker 2: have a lot of periodic mergers and acquisitions. And, you know,
[14:29] Speaker 2: they're corporate, kind of a crooked corporate structure there. And
[14:33] Speaker 2: so kind of what happened is in one of their
[14:36] Speaker 2: periodic cost-cutting measures, they basically had fired off all the
[14:41] Speaker 2: mid-level people who were really the skilled people in it.
[14:44] Speaker 2: And they had to go elsewhere. And really what they
[14:46] Speaker 2: were left with is really young kids out of college, right?
[14:49] Speaker 2: They're going to train up for cheaper labor. And really,
[14:52] Speaker 2: really old guys that are like running the department, right?
[14:54] Speaker 2: Or running the division. And the problem is a lot
[14:58] Speaker 2: of these old guys, they go on the old methods, right?
[15:04] Speaker 2: They use foot pounds, pre-metric kind of things that we
[15:08] Speaker 2: used in the 60s and even into the 70s. And
[15:12] Speaker 2: a foot pound is less than a Newton. Well, the
[15:14] Speaker 2: metric system uses a Newton, right? Newton metric system. And
[15:17] Speaker 2: And it's basically the amount of energy it takes to
[15:20] Speaker 2: raise a kilogram, I believe, one meter. Whereas a foot
[15:25] Speaker 2: pound is just like it sounds. It takes the amount
[15:27] Speaker 2: of energy to raise a pound one foot, right? It's
[15:31] Speaker 2: like a gravitational metric or amount of energy. And so
[15:36] Speaker 2: what happened is, you know, the guys from JPL, which
[15:39] Speaker 2: is in California, and they call their younger guys and
[15:43] Speaker 2: they all use Newtons, right? They're all in the metric system.
[15:45] Speaker 2: That's their total thing. So to get the insertion orbit,
[15:49] Speaker 2: the guy from JPL calls up the guy in Lockheed Martin,
[15:54] Speaker 2: who's just an older than, you know, oldest dirt kind
[15:57] Speaker 2: of guy who uses foot pounds. And so he says,
[15:59] Speaker 2: how much thrust do we need to get into orbit?
[16:02] Speaker 2: So the old guy tells the young guy the amount
[16:04] Speaker 2: in foot pounds. But the young guy doesn't even know
[16:07] Speaker 2: what foot pounds is or even understands there's that problem.
[16:09] Speaker 2: So he punches that in newtons. And they don't really
[16:12] Speaker 2: know what happened to the Mars Climate Orbiter. Did it
[16:15] Speaker 2: bounce off the atmosphere because it came in too hard
[16:18] Speaker 2: and bounced off? Or did it burn up in Mars'
[16:20] Speaker 2: atmosphere and impact the surface somewhere as fragments? We really
[16:25] Speaker 2: don't know. But that little mistake, that was like a
[16:29] Speaker 2: $ 300 million mistake or something. And that's not the only one.
[16:34] Speaker 2: There's also the Mars Polar Lander. Yeah. Yeah, the Mars
[16:40] Speaker 2: Polar Lander was another one they were going to send there.
[16:41] Speaker 2: And they were going to kind of land it near
[16:43] Speaker 2: Mars Poles. Now, the problem is, it comes back to
[16:46] Speaker 2: my gravitational formulations, is that when Newton was a great guy,
[16:50] Speaker 2: and what he did is he, you know, math is
[16:55] Speaker 2: not reality. Math poorly describes reality. And so you have
[16:58] Speaker 2: to use abstractions. So what Newton did with his formulations
[17:02] Speaker 2: is he shrunk the entire Earth, its volume and its
[17:05] Speaker 2: mass into an infinitesimal abstract point, right? It's an abstraction.
[17:09] Speaker 2: And then let's say we shrink the moon into an
[17:12] Speaker 2: infinitesimal point. And because we have two infinitesimal points, we
[17:17] Speaker 2: can actually measure gravity between them, right? But the problem
[17:21] Speaker 2: with the Newton measure is that from that infinitesimal point,
[17:24] Speaker 2: a perfectly spherical gravitational field spreads out from it. And
[17:29] Speaker 2: in the age of sailing ships, that's perfectly fine. But
[17:33] Speaker 2: in the age of spacecraft, it doesn't work quite so well.
[17:36] Speaker 2: And for instance, the Earth, because it spins, it's a
[17:39] Speaker 2: little wider around the equator. then it is between the
[17:43] Speaker 2: poles because it kind of bulges out, right? But if
[17:49] Speaker 2: you use Newton's things, a perfectly spherical gravitational field comes
[17:53] Speaker 2: out with your math, right? That's your math. And obviously,
[17:56] Speaker 2: the gravitational field is not perfectly spherical. Now, Mars is
[18:00] Speaker 2: actually more oblate than the Earth. The Earth's about 0.3%.
[18:04] Speaker 2: Mars is 0.5%. So when they were doing the calculations
[18:07] Speaker 2: for landing on Mars, I actually went back after the
[18:10] Speaker 2: Mars polar lander failed and looked at what they were using.
[18:13] Speaker 2: And they were using strict Newtonian values, right? Which means
[18:17] Speaker 2: that they were estimating gravity higher than it actually was
[18:22] Speaker 2: at the area they were landing on Mars near the
[18:25] Speaker 2: pole there. That's why they call it the Mars pole lander.
[18:28] Speaker 2: So what happened is when you come into Mars, obviously
[18:32] Speaker 2: they have, what they do is they come in and
[18:33] Speaker 2: they have an aerobrake because it's got an atmosphere, right?
[18:36] Speaker 2: So just kind of like a lot of our stuff.
[18:37] Speaker 2: So you come in and they have the aerobrake comes
[18:40] Speaker 2: on And it slows down the craft. And when it
[18:42] Speaker 2: slows down enough, you have some parachutes pop off. And
[18:46] Speaker 2: even though Mars atmosphere is thin, the parachutes work. And
[18:48] Speaker 2: then the craft slows down even more on the parachutes
[18:51] Speaker 2: until it gets about four kilometers above the surface. And
[18:53] Speaker 2: then the parachutes kick loose. And then the retro rockets burn.
[18:59] Speaker 2: And in the Mars polar lander, they were going to
[19:00] Speaker 2: have the retro rockets burn until they were about, you know,
[19:03] Speaker 2: somewhere 10 meters above the surface. And then the final
[19:08] Speaker 2: guidance would come in and would land it.
[19:11] Speaker 1: Right.
[19:11] Speaker 2: Well, the problem was if you calculate gravity up to
[19:14] Speaker 2: a half a percent up, uh, more stronger than it is,
[19:19] Speaker 2: that means your thrust is more right. You're burning more.
[19:22] Speaker 2: And so when you, when it finally kicks on the, uh,
[19:25] Speaker 2: when the, uh, I guess the guidance control kicks on
[19:29] Speaker 2: a few meters above the surface, instead of being 10
[19:31] Speaker 2: meters above the surface of Mars, it's now could be
[19:34] Speaker 2: a hundred meters above 200 meters above the surface of Mars.
[19:37] Speaker 2: And that basically, uh, we don't really know what happened. Did, uh,
[19:40] Speaker 2: Did it overcome the mission parameters and the computer just
[19:45] Speaker 2: shut down? Did it run out of fuel trying to land?
[19:49] Speaker 2: We don't know. NASA gives a lame excuse, but, you know,
[19:52] Speaker 2: never a straight answer. So you can't believe that. But
[19:54] Speaker 2: in the meantime, you know, I knew Dr. Peter Smith,
[19:57] Speaker 2: and he was running the Phoenix Lander. And it's exactly
[20:00] Speaker 2: the same as the Mars Polar Lander. I mean, exact
[20:02] Speaker 2: same platform, couple different instruments. And they're all going to
[20:05] Speaker 2: land in the same area. So he used to go
[20:08] Speaker 2: to the Mars Society meetings like I did, and so
[20:10] Speaker 2: I knew him. We'd go out and sit and drink
[20:12] Speaker 2: beers with some of the other guys, and they'd talk
[20:14] Speaker 2: about what the gray aliens they were working with were
[20:16] Speaker 2: doing in the lab. Sometimes when you get to the
[20:20] Speaker 2: back things and all the scientists get together and start drinking,
[20:23] Speaker 2: they tell stories. So that's the ones that are working
[20:27] Speaker 2: for you. Anyway, alcohol has a way of doing that.
[20:30] Speaker 1: We're going to have to come back to that later,
[20:32] Speaker 1: but continue.
[20:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's so... So they, so I knew him.
[20:36] Speaker 2: So I gave him, I sent him a letter, you know,
[20:38] Speaker 2: I gave him a call, sent him a letter with
[20:39] Speaker 2: all the information. Now he didn't, he couldn't believe that
[20:42] Speaker 2: JPL and NASA could not get gravity right on Mars.
[20:46] Speaker 2: But I don't think he used my mathematical formulations. But
[20:49] Speaker 2: what he did do is when the, when the, unlike
[20:52] Speaker 2: the Mars polar lander, the minute that, that parachute kicked
[20:55] Speaker 2: on and the retro rocket engine started four kilometers, he
[20:59] Speaker 2: made sure that the radar altimeter was working right there.
[21:02] Speaker 2: He put guidance control. The minute that, the minute that
[21:05] Speaker 2: that engine turned on guidance control was on. And so
[21:07] Speaker 2: it guided the spacecraft down and landed on Mars successfully.
[21:12] Speaker 2: It's exact same platform. Just, just so he just changed
[21:15] Speaker 2: the programming a little bit because he didn't want it
[21:17] Speaker 2: to fail.
[21:18] Speaker 1: Well, this leads to some of the gravitational formulas that
[21:22] Speaker 1: you discovered. I'd like to hear all about this and
[21:24] Speaker 1: how you came across it.
[21:26] Speaker 2: Well, what I did is I was, uh, I was basically,
[21:29] Speaker 2: I was doing my master's thesis, the retention of magnetic
[21:31] Speaker 2: fields on rotating terrestrial planets through the actions of a
[21:34] Speaker 2: close large orbital partner. And basically what it is, is
[21:37] Speaker 2: if we had the, if the moon were to suddenly
[21:40] Speaker 2: be here, I guess we're a little close, but basically the,
[21:43] Speaker 2: if we had the moon, right, the moon, if the
[21:46] Speaker 2: moon kind of pulls the inner core of the earth
[21:48] Speaker 2: off center, because the, the earth rotates faster than the
[21:53] Speaker 2: moon orbits, it causes the inner core of the earth
[21:56] Speaker 2: to rotate faster than the rest of the planet. And
[21:58] Speaker 2: that creates the friction and currents that create the Earth's
[22:03] Speaker 2: magnetic field. In fact, I predicted that the Earth's core
[22:06] Speaker 2: would rotate faster than the rest of the planet before
[22:09] Speaker 2: it was actually discovered to do so. Just a little bit.
[22:12] Speaker 2: There it goes. Actually, I don't think it's posted online.
[22:15] Speaker 2: I could give it to one of the people out
[22:17] Speaker 2: there listening who want to get that. I'll send it
[22:20] Speaker 2: to them for free. I haven't really posted it anywhere.
[22:24] Speaker 2: So that was how I was doing it. The problem was,
[22:28] Speaker 2: because Newton has that perfectly spherical gravitation, what I went
[22:31] Speaker 2: to do, I wanted to put all these whistles and
[22:33] Speaker 2: bells in it and say, oh, look at this. Here
[22:35] Speaker 2: it is there. And I discovered that Newton's formulation was
[22:38] Speaker 2: totally worthless to do any of that because it makes
[22:39] Speaker 2: these perfectly spherical gravitational fields. And the way they actually
[22:42] Speaker 2: plot gravity on the Earth's surface is just like a
[22:45] Speaker 2: fitted curve. They have this formulation with a fitted curve.
[22:48] Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with any parameters of the Earth.
[22:50] Speaker 2: And so I started making, I said, oh, I can
[22:52] Speaker 2: fix this. So I started working on formulations to do it.
[22:55] Speaker 2: And But my master's thesis, Dr. Wyckoff said, don't do that.
[23:00] Speaker 2: Your thesis is radical enough without trying to introduce a
[23:02] Speaker 2: bunch of new gravitational formulations. So I just finished the
[23:07] Speaker 2: thesis without them. And then I finished up the formulations.
[23:10] Speaker 2: And they've been around for two and a half decades, okay?
[23:14] Speaker 2: So it's not like they're, it's nothing new. I have
[23:18] Speaker 2: them posted on ResearchGate. If you go to my site
[23:21] Speaker 2: on ResearchGate, just type in my name and you can
[23:24] Speaker 2: read them there. I'll send you some links. We could
[23:26] Speaker 2: probably put them in the poster. And all I did
[23:29] Speaker 2: is I did, it was like Newton. What I did
[23:31] Speaker 2: is Newton made an infinitesimal point, right? So what I
[23:34] Speaker 2: did is I turned the planet into an infinitesimal line
[23:37] Speaker 2: that goes across the planet, the diameter of the planet,
[23:40] Speaker 2: depending on what angle it is. And so I just
[23:42] Speaker 2: went from an infinitesimal point to an infinitesimal line. And
[23:45] Speaker 2: that allows me to get three magnitudes more accurate. So
[23:49] Speaker 2: you can actually calculate the gravity of Earth or Mars
[23:51] Speaker 2: or anywhere to almost exact values here. you know, using
[23:55] Speaker 2: the physical parameters of the planet itself or the physical
[23:58] Speaker 2: parameters of the moon itself. And so that's just, so
[24:01] Speaker 2: it's really just another abstraction. And you can derive Newton's
[24:05] Speaker 2: formulation from my formulation if you break it down. So
[24:08] Speaker 2: it's the same thing.
[24:09] Speaker 1: And these formulations were actually used for a mission to
[24:13] Speaker 1: the moon?
[24:14] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they used them, but they weren't very accurate.
[24:18] Speaker 2: And so, but in the case, that's why, you know,
[24:21] Speaker 2: when Neil Armstrong, because And that's probably why I should
[24:23] Speaker 2: probably bring in the whole moon thing here is, you know,
[24:28] Speaker 2: although people think the moon is a sphere, it's actually
[24:31] Speaker 2: kind of egg-shaped. And so, you know, the moon is really,
[24:35] Speaker 2: it's egg-shaped. We look at it this way, right? If
[24:38] Speaker 2: we were looking at the moon, it looks round. But
[24:40] Speaker 2: if we were actually in orbit and looked at the moon,
[24:41] Speaker 2: this is, of course, greatly exaggerated. The moon's kind of
[24:44] Speaker 2: egg-shaped with the bigger part of the egg facing the earth, right?
[24:47] Speaker 2: It kind of bulges out. So it's kind of like,
[24:50] Speaker 2: it's what's called a prolate. It's kind of a prolate body.
[24:54] Speaker 2: And so that's kind of how the moon is. And
[24:57] Speaker 2: that's the first thing you got to do for calculating
[24:59] Speaker 2: the gravity on the Earth, because the Earth is oblate.
[25:01] Speaker 2: It's like spins, and so it's wider across the equator
[25:04] Speaker 2: than it is between the poles. But the moon being prolate,
[25:06] Speaker 2: it's farther across the poles than it is across the equator.
[25:11] Speaker 2: And so the first thing you need to do when
[25:13] Speaker 2: you're going to land on the moon or any gravitational
[25:16] Speaker 2: locked planet, you have to change the poles. When we
[25:19] Speaker 2: went to the moon and the way that they have
[25:21] Speaker 2: it now, if you look at like a moon globe,
[25:23] Speaker 2: they gave the moon a north pole and a south pole.
[25:25] Speaker 2: And then they put latitude and longitudes around that, which is,
[25:28] Speaker 2: you know, because that's the way we do it on
[25:29] Speaker 2: the earth. And it's correct because the earth rotates and
[25:33] Speaker 2: they put the north pole and the south pole at
[25:34] Speaker 2: the rotational axis, right? And then they do the latitude
[25:37] Speaker 2: and longitude from that. Well, which is okay, but the
[25:40] Speaker 2: moon isn't that. The moon's prolate. It's gravitationally locked. And
[25:43] Speaker 2: so when you want to do mapping on the moon,
[25:45] Speaker 2: the poles you want is like the point closest to
[25:48] Speaker 2: the earth, right? That's called the near earth point or
[25:51] Speaker 2: the near planet point. And then the point farthest, the
[25:54] Speaker 2: point farthest from the earth, that's the far earth point.
[25:57] Speaker 2: Those are the two poles. And then the equator, like
[25:59] Speaker 2: the edge that we see from the earth is actually
[26:02] Speaker 2: the equator of the moon, right? And so it's kind
[26:06] Speaker 2: of weird doing this because I have to look at
[26:08] Speaker 2: the thing. And so that's what you got to do.
[26:10] Speaker 2: So you got to do that. And so first you
[26:12] Speaker 2: have to map the moon. So So instead of being,
[26:16] Speaker 2: you know, a moon north-south pole, you've got this equator.
[26:18] Speaker 2: And then you do your latitudes and longitudes from that.
[26:23] Speaker 2: And then once you get that, that's the first thing
[26:25] Speaker 2: you got to do. You got to remap the moon with,
[26:27] Speaker 2: you know, the near-Earth pole and the far-Earth pole. And
[26:30] Speaker 2: the rim is the equator. And then you can put
[26:32] Speaker 2: my math in and land successfully on the moon, which
[26:36] Speaker 2: is what the ISRO did. And you remember that there
[26:39] Speaker 2: was a big race for the moon here recently, last year.
[26:43] Speaker 2: And it's actually a moral lesson because the first one
[26:47] Speaker 2: was the Indians lost their Chihandra 3 probe, which I
[26:50] Speaker 2: was actually, well, actually what happened is it was, I think,
[26:54] Speaker 2: in March of last year or May of last year,
[26:56] Speaker 2: I think it was May, is that their iSpace had
[26:59] Speaker 2: sent their probe to the moon and it had crashed.
[27:03] Speaker 2: And iSpace is a private Japanese company, but it kind
[27:07] Speaker 2: of works with the Japanese government, the U.S. government. You know,
[27:10] Speaker 2: there's kind of a, public private partnership there. And so
[27:13] Speaker 2: we had a crashed. And so I said, Oh man,
[27:15] Speaker 2: I wonder why it did that. And I looked at
[27:17] Speaker 2: it and I said, Oh, these people should, you know,
[27:19] Speaker 2: I figured it was, it was the math they were
[27:20] Speaker 2: doing and, and some, some metrics problems. And so I
[27:24] Speaker 2: should probably con, you know, I should contact. And I
[27:26] Speaker 2: was looking on it and I realized they, their headquarters,
[27:29] Speaker 2: even though it was a Japanese company, it was like
[27:30] Speaker 2: 10 miles from where I live. It was out of, uh,
[27:34] Speaker 2: it was out at the airport nearby, uh, centennial airport.
[27:39] Speaker 2: And so, uh, And so I said, well, that's crazy.
[27:42] Speaker 2: So I wrote up the papers and stuff and sent
[27:44] Speaker 2: it and went by and just dropped them off. And
[27:47] Speaker 2: I know they gave it to the, I know it
[27:49] Speaker 2: worked its way up to the, you know, the Japanese
[27:51] Speaker 2: government part of things, whether they use it or not,
[27:53] Speaker 2: because the Japanese did spend a space probe, but maybe
[27:56] Speaker 2: it encouraged them to do it. In the meantime, when
[27:58] Speaker 2: I was doing that, I was looking at and I discovered, whoa,
[28:01] Speaker 2: the Indians are about to spend a space probe to
[28:03] Speaker 2: the moon. And their organization called the ISRO. And it
[28:09] Speaker 2: was going to be like a month two month and
[28:10] Speaker 2: a half away. And, uh, but I'm not going to
[28:14] Speaker 2: tell how, but I have contacts within the Indian space
[28:16] Speaker 2: research organization or people that are associated with that. So
[28:19] Speaker 2: we sent it off to them and, uh, they, uh,
[28:23] Speaker 2: they said, thank you. And they sent us a cool
[28:25] Speaker 2: video of it taking off. That's, uh, yes. Anyway. And, uh,
[28:29] Speaker 2: and so the, the IRS, but the, but the RSO,
[28:32] Speaker 2: the Indians do, you know, things very precision wise. Like
[28:35] Speaker 2: for instance, they, they sent, uh, you know, for that,
[28:38] Speaker 2: remember that cost, uh, interstellar that movie interstellar yeah yeah
[28:43] Speaker 2: i don't know how many hundreds of billions of dollars
[28:45] Speaker 2: it was but the indians actually built a rocket built
[28:48] Speaker 2: a space probe sent it to mars and it's a
[28:51] Speaker 2: an indian has it in orbit it's a weather satellite
[28:53] Speaker 2: in orbit around india for less money than that than
[28:57] Speaker 2: that movie wow so you know the americans make fantasy
[29:01] Speaker 2: movies about you know going space because the indians actually
[29:04] Speaker 2: go out and and make something that's real that actually
[29:06] Speaker 2: is there so So they, but they have a very,
[29:09] Speaker 2: they have a different, they have a very methodological way
[29:13] Speaker 2: of doing it. So what they did is when they
[29:14] Speaker 2: took it off in the earth, it went around the
[29:16] Speaker 2: earth like four or five times, each time getting a
[29:19] Speaker 2: little bit more energy till finally it went to the moon.
[29:23] Speaker 2: And then it was, it was going four or five
[29:25] Speaker 2: times around the moon before it was, you know, slowing
[29:28] Speaker 2: down gradually adjusting. And before it came down to land
[29:31] Speaker 2: successfully near the moon's quote South pole, actually it's the, uh,
[29:35] Speaker 2: the lower quadrant to the equator. But uh, that's, that's,
[29:38] Speaker 2: you know, that's what the, so I, I'd sent them about,
[29:41] Speaker 2: you know, cause the key is the mapping. You got
[29:43] Speaker 2: to map the moon correctly and with the near earth
[29:46] Speaker 2: pole and the far earth pole. And, uh, and then
[29:48] Speaker 2: you can do the mass, any mass would work better,
[29:50] Speaker 2: but you got to do the mapping first. And, but
[29:52] Speaker 2: in the meantime, the Russians had spies in the Indian
[29:54] Speaker 2: space or research organization. And they had discovered the new,
[29:58] Speaker 2: they already had the new formulations, but they didn't know
[30:00] Speaker 2: how to map the moon correctly and that kind of stuff.
[30:04] Speaker 2: So they decided they were going to beat the Indians
[30:06] Speaker 2: to the moon. So they pulled this space probe that they,
[30:10] Speaker 2: lunar lander they'd had sitting on, sitting gathering dust for
[30:13] Speaker 2: like 10 years or whatever. And they stuck it on
[30:15] Speaker 2: a rocket and they launched it straight at the moon, right?
[30:18] Speaker 2: They didn't take any four or five orbits. And they
[30:20] Speaker 2: were going to race the Indians to the south pole
[30:22] Speaker 2: of the moon and land successfully. But when they were
[30:25] Speaker 2: trying to insert around the moon, I guess they got
[30:27] Speaker 2: into one orbit, and then they were going to fire
[30:30] Speaker 2: the rockets. And this is what they said what happened
[30:33] Speaker 2: is that they, is that, because, you know, all the
[30:36] Speaker 2: guys that worked on it had gone away, right? They'd
[30:38] Speaker 2: been gone for 10 years, right? They went on another job.
[30:40] Speaker 2: So they had these other guys running it. And they
[30:42] Speaker 2: say there was a software glitch. And instead of burning like,
[30:45] Speaker 2: you know, 37 seconds or whatever it was, it burnt
[30:48] Speaker 2: like 108 seconds. And so what happened is basically impacted
[30:52] Speaker 2: on the surface of the moon. They couldn't, do a
[30:54] Speaker 2: double insert. And so, so it was kind of like the,
[30:56] Speaker 2: the tortoise and the hare. The Indians were like the
[30:59] Speaker 2: tortoise and successfully crossed the finish line where the Russians
[31:02] Speaker 2: were like the hare and crashed their spacecraft to the moon.
[31:05] Speaker 2: So it was a, but Putin was good about it
[31:07] Speaker 2: and congratulated the Indians. So that was it. And then
[31:10] Speaker 2: in the meantime, which is, uh, the Japanese sent that,
[31:14] Speaker 2: they pulled their spacecraft, their, their lunar lander out of
[31:17] Speaker 2: mothballs and sent it to the moon. And, uh, we're
[31:20] Speaker 2: going to land near the South pole of the moon, but, uh,
[31:23] Speaker 2: But what happened is we don't know whether they used
[31:26] Speaker 2: the math or not or the mapping of the moon
[31:28] Speaker 2: or not. Because what happened is the thing was landing.
[31:32] Speaker 2: The Japanese were using these ceramic metallic thrusters on the
[31:40] Speaker 2: little nozzles on the end of the rocket engines. And
[31:42] Speaker 2: one of them apparently snapped off several meters above landing.
[31:47] Speaker 2: And so the probe tried to adjust, but it ended
[31:51] Speaker 2: up upside down. which is unfortunate. But the other one,
[31:58] Speaker 2: the people that never listen to us, which is NASA,
[32:00] Speaker 2: so we don't even waste time talking to those losers,
[32:02] Speaker 2: because they're all about, you know, I don't have a PhD.
[32:05] Speaker 2: I just have a master's. So, you know, and who
[32:06] Speaker 2: are we? And so they didn't, of course, listen to us,
[32:09] Speaker 2: never will. And the U.S. military, of course, uses my math.
[32:12] Speaker 2: That's another thing. That's another story. But anyway, for their
[32:15] Speaker 2: ballistic missiles, I mean, without my math, no anti-satellite missile
[32:18] Speaker 2: system works, basically. Or anti-missile missile system. Anyway, that's another thing. Remember,
[32:23] Speaker 2: this thing's over two and a half decades old. And
[32:27] Speaker 2: that stuff happened decades ago. So what happened is when
[32:31] Speaker 2: they were sent, they sent, there was a public-private thing
[32:33] Speaker 2: called the Odyssey moon lander. And so it was going
[32:36] Speaker 2: to come in and land at the moon. But the
[32:38] Speaker 2: problem is if gravity near the, quote, south pole of
[32:41] Speaker 2: the moon, which is the lower quadrant of the equator,
[32:44] Speaker 2: is actually higher than what you would calculate using Newtonian.
[32:49] Speaker 2: And so there is no atmosphere on the moon to
[32:52] Speaker 2: slow you down. So they have nothing but electronics. So
[32:55] Speaker 2: what's going to happen is they put radar altimeters on
[32:58] Speaker 2: the spacecraft, right, that tells it how far above the
[33:00] Speaker 2: moon it is. But it can't adjust for horizontal motion.
[33:05] Speaker 2: So when you make gravity higher than it actually is, right,
[33:09] Speaker 2: it's like you made the surface come up. So what
[33:12] Speaker 2: you want to do when you come down and land,
[33:13] Speaker 2: you want to make sure your horizontal and vertical motion
[33:15] Speaker 2: are perfectly zero. and you hit exactly right, and you
[33:18] Speaker 2: land successfully. Well, if you make it come up higher,
[33:21] Speaker 2: you can, you with the radar altimeter, you can adjust
[33:23] Speaker 2: the vertical thing, but you can't adjust the horizontal speed.
[33:27] Speaker 2: So the spacecraft came in with some horizontal speed, and
[33:30] Speaker 2: it just fell off on its side. That's why the
[33:33] Speaker 2: Odyssey fell over its side, because they couldn't adjust, because
[33:36] Speaker 2: they don't know how to do gravitational form. They don't
[33:38] Speaker 2: know how to do, calculate gravity correctly on the moon.
[33:41] Speaker 2: So they couldn't adjust for horizontal motion, and of course
[33:43] Speaker 2: they crashed on its side. And that's actually why a
[33:45] Speaker 2: lot of lunar spacecraft have failed on the moon because
[33:50] Speaker 2: they can't really, they can't calculate gravity. In fact, when
[33:54] Speaker 2: the Apollo, the first space landing on the moon, right,
[33:58] Speaker 2: when Neil Armstrong was landing, they had more gravity because
[34:01] Speaker 2: if you're actually on the near point of the earth,
[34:04] Speaker 2: which is where they landed near here, there's actually, gravity
[34:07] Speaker 2: is actually lower than what is estimated by Newton's formulations.
[34:13] Speaker 2: And so that was the extra fuel because he had to,
[34:16] Speaker 2: he was coming down to land and there was all
[34:17] Speaker 2: these boulders and rocks in the way. And so he
[34:20] Speaker 2: had to move it to another space. And they said,
[34:22] Speaker 2: where did the extra fuel come from? It should have
[34:23] Speaker 2: run out of fuel and crash. Well, that's because gravity
[34:26] Speaker 2: was less. And so anyway, that's the, that's the story
[34:30] Speaker 2: of it. And that's why we landed successfully on the
[34:32] Speaker 2: moon the first time, just because they couldn't calculate gravity correctly.
[34:35] Speaker 2: If they'd actually done it, they might've had to abort
[34:37] Speaker 2: the mission, but.
[34:38] Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to get your thoughts on some theories
[34:42] Speaker 1: that I've heard over the years about the moon, about
[34:45] Speaker 1: what the moon could be. I've heard everything from it
[34:48] Speaker 1: may be an artificial satellite that was not always here to,
[34:53] Speaker 1: of course, it being hollow in the center and maybe
[34:57] Speaker 1: contains some sort of life forms or humanoids that reside there.
[35:02] Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on some of these?
[35:05] Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if you know the Future Forecasting Group. right?
[35:08] Speaker 2: Dick Allgaier.
[35:09] Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
[35:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[35:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[35:10] Speaker 2: They, they did a recent one on that. You can
[35:12] Speaker 2: go on YouTube and they have part of it. Of
[35:14] Speaker 2: course you have to go become a private member to
[35:16] Speaker 2: see it all. And they actually discovered a granite Pluton
[35:20] Speaker 2: in the moon, which is kind of unusual because we
[35:23] Speaker 2: have granite Plutons here and they're, you know, they make
[35:26] Speaker 2: the big mountains, but they form underneath the surface and
[35:29] Speaker 2: then they kind of move up and solidify. But they
[35:31] Speaker 2: also have a lot of water in them because water
[35:33] Speaker 2: has to be associated with it. So they, went and
[35:35] Speaker 2: looked at a crater right above where this granite pluton,
[35:38] Speaker 2: because it's also warmer, because the plutons, they tend to
[35:41] Speaker 2: have potassium in it. They take a lot of the potassium,
[35:44] Speaker 2: and potassium is radioactive. There's a lot of potassium-40, so
[35:47] Speaker 2: it's kind of, it gets a lot of, so it
[35:48] Speaker 2: was more radioactive than the rest of the moon, and
[35:50] Speaker 2: it was also warmer, and they could actually tell that by,
[35:53] Speaker 2: you know, their surveys of the surface. But also, when
[35:56] Speaker 2: the granite pluton forms, you should have water and sulfur
[35:58] Speaker 2: dioxide and other things coming off the surface, which if
[36:02] Speaker 2: in the moon, they could have gone up, you know,
[36:03] Speaker 2: they kind of be like hot water veins going up.
[36:06] Speaker 2: And then they probably like deposit when they hit a
[36:08] Speaker 2: colder surface above the moon, they would deposit. So there
[36:11] Speaker 2: might be ice deposits deep under, and they did a
[36:13] Speaker 2: thing and they saw these humanoid people living in like
[36:17] Speaker 2: a industrial plant down there. So it's, it's, I don't
[36:21] Speaker 2: know what the name it's on the, which, which would
[36:23] Speaker 2: be exactly because if you wanted to look for minerals
[36:26] Speaker 2: and metals and, and gases such as, you know, Uh, water,
[36:31] Speaker 2: you could get water and all that. That would be
[36:32] Speaker 2: the place you want to be. So they saw some
[36:34] Speaker 2: sort of underground mining going on and, uh, which would,
[36:37] Speaker 2: which makes sense because if you were going to do
[36:38] Speaker 2: mining on the moon, that's the only place you would
[36:40] Speaker 2: do it. So deep mining. So they were probably going to.
[36:44] Speaker 1: We've got to get to the aliens. I heard you
[36:47] Speaker 1: mention earlier scientists that may have had a little bit
[36:50] Speaker 1: too much to drink and say too much talking about
[36:53] Speaker 1: working with gray extraterrestrials. Is that correct?
[36:56] Speaker 2: No, they were just government agents, people that worked in
[36:59] Speaker 2: the government laboratories and stuff. Yeah, they have interactions with them,
[37:04] Speaker 2: and they were sharing technology. The little extraterrestrials would share technology.
[37:09] Speaker 2: They're kind of like disposable units. They're like clone units.
[37:15] Speaker 2: So the real masters don't come down and probably hang
[37:18] Speaker 2: out with the earthlings, but they send their kind of
[37:22] Speaker 2: bio-bots down to work with humans.
[37:25] Speaker 1: Right. Now, you sent me also an incident about how
[37:30] Speaker 1: possibly aliens sabotage the Genie Missile Program. Oh, yeah.
[37:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of a funny program. Yeah, the Genie
[37:38] Speaker 2: Missile Program, and you can, in fact, I'll send a link.
[37:41] Speaker 2: You can go online to YouTube, and you can see
[37:43] Speaker 2: my dad fly wing. He's the wingman on when they
[37:46] Speaker 2: launched it. It was an air-to-air missile, and it had
[37:50] Speaker 2: a three-kiloton nuke on it. And it could be fired
[37:54] Speaker 2: from the bottom of a jet at another aircraft. And allegedly,
[37:57] Speaker 2: they were going to be used to shoot down Soviet
[38:02] Speaker 2: bombers because the Soviets were going to fly their bombers
[38:06] Speaker 2: in fleets, right, into the United States, and they would
[38:09] Speaker 2: fire one of these genies and it would blow up
[38:10] Speaker 2: the whole fleet of Soviet bombers. Not that the Soviets
[38:13] Speaker 2: would be that stupid. You know, they would fly them separately.
[38:16] Speaker 2: And the problem is the Soviets didn't even have 100
[38:17] Speaker 2: bombers at the time, yet they made 3,000 genie missiles, right?
[38:21] Speaker 3: Right.
[38:22] Speaker 2: So, so the, the claim is what it is, but, uh,
[38:25] Speaker 2: let us say that they were designed to shoot down
[38:27] Speaker 2: flying saucers because they figure even if they couldn't do anything,
[38:31] Speaker 2: if you could, you know, they can't, you know, it's like, uh,
[38:33] Speaker 2: horseshoes and hand grenades, you know, if you get close,
[38:36] Speaker 2: you get some points. So that's basically why it was built.
[38:39] Speaker 2: But my dad didn't know about that at the time
[38:41] Speaker 2: and everything, but to the G missile project. So it was, uh,
[38:44] Speaker 2: you know, they were building it and it had been, uh,
[38:46] Speaker 2: sabotaged again and again. And so my dad had been
[38:49] Speaker 2: like the special on the Thor missile, which is, uh,
[38:53] Speaker 2: and ran that program to help that thing and Bluegill Prime.
[38:55] Speaker 2: So they put him in there because he'd kind of
[38:57] Speaker 2: run programs to do that. And so his thing, he
[38:59] Speaker 2: knew it was going to be sabotaged. It had been
[39:01] Speaker 2: sabotaged before a couple of times. So what he did
[39:03] Speaker 2: is he had two missiles being built. He had like
[39:05] Speaker 2: the public missile that everybody could see behind glass and
[39:08] Speaker 2: the people out there working on it. And he had
[39:10] Speaker 2: another missile being built in a back room and he's
[39:12] Speaker 2: the only one that had a key to the door
[39:14] Speaker 2: and had pretty heavy security on that. So when they
[39:17] Speaker 2: work on the first missile, they get it working and
[39:20] Speaker 2: everything running and then they would secretly go to the
[39:22] Speaker 2: second room and and put it in which made it
[39:25] Speaker 2: go faster because it's you know they'd already got some
[39:26] Speaker 2: experience and so finally you know you had the two
[39:29] Speaker 2: missiles were built finally it was like the day before
[39:31] Speaker 2: it was going to be used and of course that
[39:33] Speaker 2: was the day that they knew that uh they were
[39:36] Speaker 2: going to the saboteurs were going to kind of go
[39:38] Speaker 2: after it right and so they put the kind of
[39:41] Speaker 2: the the the the public missile out now it'd been
[39:44] Speaker 2: on several pallets out in this public place and they
[39:47] Speaker 2: had some you know it was in a concrete place
[39:48] Speaker 2: with strings And they had put like warning tape and
[39:51] Speaker 2: barriers and stuff all around it. But it was like bait, right?
[39:56] Speaker 2: It was bait because they had the real missile hidden
[39:59] Speaker 2: away and this is the bait missile so the saboteurs
[40:01] Speaker 2: would go after the bait and not go after the
[40:03] Speaker 2: real one, right? So they just were planning. And so
[40:06] Speaker 2: they had put up tape and barrier signs and fences
[40:10] Speaker 2: and all this stuff, right? Which made it virtually impossible
[40:13] Speaker 2: for anybody to get to the missile, right? You'd have
[40:15] Speaker 2: to work pretty hard at it. And, but... But this
[40:19] Speaker 2: is what happened. During the night, one of the guys
[40:22] Speaker 2: in the warehouse, right, that moved things around, he got
[40:24] Speaker 2: this sudden urge. He needed to get the pallets from
[40:27] Speaker 2: underneath the missile, right? That was the excuse he did,
[40:32] Speaker 2: even though there were pallets available in the warehouse. So what?
[40:36] Speaker 2: And so this guy goes up in there, and he
[40:38] Speaker 2: removes all the tape and the barriers and stuff, right?
[40:41] Speaker 2: And there was guards around the second missile's room, but
[40:44] Speaker 2: they didn't have any guards around the bait missile, right?
[40:46] Speaker 2: Because that's how you do things. And so the guy
[40:48] Speaker 2: goes in there and he removes all the barriers and
[40:51] Speaker 2: stuff and the tape and tests and do a whole
[40:52] Speaker 2: bunch of work to do this. Go past the signs.
[40:54] Speaker 2: Do not touch this missile.
[40:56] Speaker 1: Go.
[40:56] Speaker 2: Do not go away. Stay away. You know, whatever. And
[41:00] Speaker 2: then he goes in there to lift the missile off
[41:01] Speaker 2: to get the pallet. And, of course, the missile tips
[41:03] Speaker 2: off and falls and gets damaged. And then the general
[41:08] Speaker 2: comes in the next day and says, oh, my God,
[41:09] Speaker 2: my career is over. The missile is destroyed. Oh, what
[41:12] Speaker 2: am I going to do? And my dad says, oh,
[41:14] Speaker 2: don't worry. That's just the show missile. This is the
[41:16] Speaker 2: real missile. And he goes in and he opens the
[41:18] Speaker 2: door and shows it to him. He didn't even told
[41:20] Speaker 2: the general running the program who was, my dad was
[41:22] Speaker 2: a major back then who, what was really going on
[41:24] Speaker 2: because he didn't know where the bleak was.
[41:26] Speaker 1: Right.
[41:27] Speaker 2: And of course this warehouse guy, you know, that runs
[41:30] Speaker 2: the forklift, they, they took him away and probably subjected
[41:34] Speaker 2: him to enhanced interrogation techniques. And, and the thing was
[41:39] Speaker 2: when they were done in ants, enhanced interrogating him, they
[41:42] Speaker 2: could not figure out he wasn't being paid by the commies.
[41:46] Speaker 2: He wasn't being... They just couldn't find any reason. It's
[41:49] Speaker 2: like somebody took over his mind and had him do that.
[41:56] Speaker 2: And probably what it is, if we could dig up
[41:57] Speaker 2: his carcass, wherever it is, if he did get buried
[42:00] Speaker 2: and look at his brain, I'll bet you'd find some
[42:02] Speaker 2: sort of chips. Because, you know, this missile was made
[42:05] Speaker 2: basically to shoot down flying saucers in alien spacecraft. It
[42:09] Speaker 2: had been... It was a nuclear missile. It had been
[42:11] Speaker 2: sabotaged time and time again. And then it got sabotaged
[42:14] Speaker 2: the last one.
[42:14] Speaker 1: But.
[42:15] Speaker 2: My dad outwitted the aliens. So if you can go online,
[42:18] Speaker 2: I'll give you the link. And you can, I think
[42:20] Speaker 2: I gave it to you earlier. And you can actually
[42:21] Speaker 2: see him fly wingmen because he thought, because some of
[42:24] Speaker 2: the guys that worked in the program all, because they
[42:26] Speaker 2: were going to blow it up in the air. It
[42:28] Speaker 2: launched from an aircraft and then it blows up in
[42:30] Speaker 2: the high altitude, like, I don't know, 20,000 feet or whatever.
[42:34] Speaker 2: So these guys all decided to get on ground zero
[42:36] Speaker 2: on the ground and have like a party. And then
[42:40] Speaker 2: the missile would blow up above them. My dad thought
[42:43] Speaker 2: that was kind of stupid. He'd rather be in the airplane.
[42:46] Speaker 2: Up high where he was in control because he was
[42:49] Speaker 2: an old fire pilot and transport pilot for the back.
[42:53] Speaker 2: So he was up there flying the wingman on the
[42:55] Speaker 2: guy that actually launched the missile. You could actually see
[42:59] Speaker 2: the fools down there at ground zero. They have their
[43:03] Speaker 2: glasses on and there's the big explosion. They get out
[43:06] Speaker 2: their cigars and start smoking. The general figured that was
[43:08] Speaker 2: a bad idea too. it was younger officers who had more,
[43:15] Speaker 2: had more balls than sense. So that's how, yeah, that
[43:18] Speaker 2: was like one sabotage operation that, uh, that the aliens
[43:22] Speaker 2: didn't get.
[43:23] Speaker 1: Now, could it have been possible that it may have
[43:27] Speaker 1: just been a foreign adversary that was using some kind
[43:31] Speaker 1: of technology to influence it?
[43:33] Speaker 2: That was the fifties, right? Late fifties. And, uh, there
[43:37] Speaker 2: was really wasn't anybody that had any technology like that,
[43:39] Speaker 2: or even like the, the mind control, all this stuff,
[43:42] Speaker 2: because we have our guys. We had the Frankfurt School
[43:44] Speaker 2: and the MKUltra dudes back then. So they definitely, some
[43:50] Speaker 2: of them, and some ex-Nazis probably, they kept, we have
[43:53] Speaker 2: ways of interrogating you correctly. So they worked the guy
[43:58] Speaker 2: over and they couldn't, there was nothing there. It was
[44:00] Speaker 2: not a foreign adversary. And they made 3,000 of these things, right?
[44:03] Speaker 2: With the nukes on the little tip on them. The
[44:06] Speaker 2: Russians didn't have 100 bombers. Right. So why do you
[44:09] Speaker 2: make need 3000 of them?
[44:10] Speaker 3: Right.
[44:11] Speaker 2: So, yeah, it was definitely designed to fight alien invasion,
[44:15] Speaker 2: you know, cause you could fire nukes at them. And, uh, so, but, uh,
[44:19] Speaker 2: so that, you know, so it did go through and
[44:21] Speaker 2: we could get our little anti-flying saucer nukes. So, so
[44:24] Speaker 2: it was successful in that case.
[44:26] Speaker 1: Well, while we're in alien territory, still, I've heard all
[44:30] Speaker 1: the theories about how our military is possibly involved with
[44:36] Speaker 1: extraterrestrial intelligence. But I'd love to hear your thoughts on
[44:41] Speaker 1: how long we've possibly had this relationship and what's the
[44:46] Speaker 1: benefit to them, to the extraterrestrials.
[44:49] Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a whole bunch of different extraterrestrials.
[44:52] Speaker 2: I have, we could talk, I didn't really get into
[44:54] Speaker 2: those books. We could pull out the, it's called the
[44:56] Speaker 2: Friendship Case. Yeah, I've heard about the Friendship Case. Yeah,
[45:00] Speaker 2: that's probably one. And that one, you know, you have
[45:02] Speaker 2: several different groups and they're all fighting each other, you know, over,
[45:07] Speaker 2: you know, they have the human agents. A lot of
[45:08] Speaker 2: them have human agents, cause you can't do that. Like,
[45:10] Speaker 2: and they have one group was the agents of the
[45:12] Speaker 2: Reptoids probably. And then they have these other humans or
[45:15] Speaker 2: agents for others and they're all battling, you know, it's,
[45:18] Speaker 2: but sometimes they work together, right? For things that, so
[45:21] Speaker 2: you didn't really know, it's several groups, what it is.
[45:24] Speaker 2: It's not just one. It's kind of, I mean, imagine,
[45:27] Speaker 2: you know, as so above, so below, as without, so within,
[45:30] Speaker 2: you know, that kind of thing. And so I think,
[45:32] Speaker 2: you know, the earth is like one of those third
[45:34] Speaker 2: world countries Maybe an island country, right, during the Cold War.
[45:40] Speaker 2: And so you've got, like, you've got the Soviets, right,
[45:42] Speaker 2: and the Americans are, you know, trying to get control
[45:46] Speaker 2: of that country for its resources and strategic value. But
[45:49] Speaker 2: then you also got things like the British and the Chinese, right,
[45:53] Speaker 2: and maybe corporations. So you get all of these multiple corporations. So,
[45:57] Speaker 2: you know, the Americans and the British probably work together sometimes, right,
[46:01] Speaker 2: to fight off the Soviet stuff. But, you know, there
[46:04] Speaker 2: might be corporate interest where British corporations aren't going to be,
[46:07] Speaker 2: are going to be wanting to do different things. So
[46:08] Speaker 2: they'll be at, sometimes they'll be in conflicts. So I
[46:11] Speaker 2: think it's something very similar to that, where you have multiple,
[46:14] Speaker 2: multiple species and each one has various agendas. And some
[46:18] Speaker 2: of the agendas are just, you know, screwing the other
[46:20] Speaker 2: ones over and preventing them from getting, you know, a foothold.
[46:23] Speaker 2: So it's really hard to tell other than, you know,
[46:26] Speaker 2: you read these stories and obviously they're fighting each other
[46:29] Speaker 2: on the earth, but then they also have a, have a,
[46:32] Speaker 2: you know, things to keep the humans under control. So
[46:35] Speaker 2: there's things that they agree with, things they disagree with,
[46:37] Speaker 2: but they're definitely in competition, sometimes deadly competition with each other,
[46:41] Speaker 2: but sometimes they cooperate on other things. So it's sort
[46:46] Speaker 2: of like that. So it's sort of like an extraterrestrial
[46:49] Speaker 2: Cold War kind of situation going on.
[46:51] Speaker 1: I've heard you mention the tall whites before, and I
[46:54] Speaker 1: think you've witnessed these beings being escorted somewhere and They
[47:00] Speaker 1: were very confrontational, didn't want to be touched by whoever
[47:04] Speaker 1: they were being escorted. Is that right?
[47:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's, that's, no, that's one, that's another group.
[47:09] Speaker 2: I'm not really too familiar with them.
[47:11] Speaker 1: Okay.
[47:12] Speaker 2: Once when I was in Bata, but, uh, but they're,
[47:15] Speaker 2: they just, they have, uh, evidently their planet or rotates
[47:18] Speaker 2: exactly takes twice as long to rotate as ours. So
[47:22] Speaker 2: their day is twice as virtually twice as long as ours.
[47:25] Speaker 2: And so they seem to have, they've been around forever
[47:27] Speaker 2: and they do seem to work with the U S government.
[47:30] Speaker 2: But they don't seem to be the most advanced kinds.
[47:34] Speaker 2: And Jay Widener saw one of them in the Denver airport.
[47:39] Speaker 1: Right. I think that's the story you were telling me,
[47:41] Speaker 1: how they were with some government-looking officials being escorted somewhere.
[47:46] Speaker 2: Jay Widener could do that. But basically, it was a female.
[47:50] Speaker 2: The problem is they come from a planet with low gravity.
[47:53] Speaker 2: And so they really struggle on Earth. Even the ones
[47:56] Speaker 2: that was born there, that's probably the one that was born.
[47:58] Speaker 2: She actually works for the U.S. government, I think for
[47:59] Speaker 2: the CIA or something. She was born in the time
[48:02] Speaker 2: of Jeff. They live like 800 years or something. And
[48:05] Speaker 2: she was born in the time of President Adams on Earth.
[48:08] Speaker 2: So I guess she's an American citizen. Maybe in this case,
[48:12] Speaker 2: a legal alien now. So that was probably her because
[48:20] Speaker 2: they just have a hard time dealing with Earth's gravity,
[48:22] Speaker 2: even if they were born here. It's just they're not
[48:23] Speaker 2: really designed well for it.
[48:25] Speaker 1: You think at the top of these feuding, powerful families
[48:30] Speaker 1: that there is some sort of extraterrestrial race above them
[48:35] Speaker 1: kind of pulling strings?
[48:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's the one they have. One of the
[48:39] Speaker 2: technologies they have is a technology that can extend their
[48:44] Speaker 2: lifespan to centuries and human lifespans as well. And so
[48:48] Speaker 2: in the friendship case, they have the W56s, which is
[48:52] Speaker 2: the good guys, supposedly, but they're actually not so good guys.
[48:54] Speaker 2: And then there's the other, the Contras, the bad guys
[48:57] Speaker 2: who are not so bad guys. And anyway, these guys,
[49:02] Speaker 2: the interesting thing is that the hierarchy is by height.
[49:05] Speaker 2: And so they have this technology. And there's even a
[49:07] Speaker 2: guy that got kicked out of their organization. He didn't
[49:09] Speaker 2: really go high. And like Kastronov and Fitz talks about
[49:12] Speaker 2: this one, these same people, is you have a technology
[49:17] Speaker 2: that can keep you eternally young, but it has a
[49:20] Speaker 2: side effect, is that it causes your growth plates in
[49:22] Speaker 2: your bones to reactivate. So every year you live, you
[49:27] Speaker 2: get a little bit taller. It's like a crocodilian growth.
[49:31] Speaker 2: And see, that's one of the things. So when you
[49:33] Speaker 2: look at their, and they probably work for one of
[49:35] Speaker 2: the reptoid groups, this particular ones, and in the Italian case,
[49:39] Speaker 2: And so like the top guy was over 10 feet
[49:41] Speaker 2: tall and he was the boss. Or no, he was
[49:44] Speaker 2: like 12 feet tall. And then there's some guys that
[49:45] Speaker 2: are like 10 feet tall. They're like second in charge.
[49:47] Speaker 2: And then guys are eight feet tall. And then so
[49:49] Speaker 2: the hierarchy in the organization is entirely due to height.
[49:53] Speaker 2: We don't see that in human society, but we do
[49:55] Speaker 2: see hierarchy by age. And in this case, height and
[49:59] Speaker 2: age are corresponds. And so that's why we see that hierarchy.
[50:02] Speaker 2: And so they were talking about the one when Catherine
[50:06] Speaker 2: Austin Fitz talks about this one guy who was going to,
[50:08] Speaker 2: he was at the IMF. the International Monetary Fund meeting,
[50:11] Speaker 2: and he accidentally went into the wrong room. So he
[50:16] Speaker 2: was kind of a staff dude, but also a thing.
[50:19] Speaker 2: And so he goes in there, and he's sitting there,
[50:20] Speaker 2: and the top IMF guys are around a table, and
[50:23] Speaker 2: in the front of the table, there's this eight-and-a-half-foot humanoid
[50:26] Speaker 2: talking to them. It's one of these friendship group guys.
[50:31] Speaker 2: So these guys are manipulating our society. I guess I
[50:35] Speaker 2: could grab the books later. We could talk about that.
[50:36] Speaker 2: We could do a special show on that. but basically
[50:39] Speaker 2: they're just a bunch of bullshit lying manipulators. And they
[50:43] Speaker 2: had that friendship case. They got all these guys from
[50:45] Speaker 2: Italy and they're telling, well, we're here to help you
[50:47] Speaker 2: and we're your friends and we're the good guys. And,
[50:50] Speaker 2: you know, the whole spew and, and, you know, they
[50:52] Speaker 2: had them all do these ridiculous snipe hunt, you know,
[50:54] Speaker 2: things for them do that. But it was really, they
[50:56] Speaker 2: were just using them and manipulating and understanding how to
[50:59] Speaker 2: control humans. And then, and then finally they went away,
[51:02] Speaker 2: but they really didn't go away. And, and then the
[51:04] Speaker 2: guy writes, there's a book friendship. He writes it 50
[51:07] Speaker 2: years later. And he realizes 50 years after it was
[51:10] Speaker 2: all over, they were kind of getting used. And they
[51:12] Speaker 2: were being manipulated and used. But these guys did. They
[51:17] Speaker 2: paid in platinum. They paid this one guy, Breccio, who
[51:21] Speaker 2: was the main character, protagonist in the story, over 425
[51:25] Speaker 2: pounds of platinum.
[51:26] Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
[51:27] Speaker 2: That's a lot of money. I'm sure it is. Yeah,
[51:31] Speaker 2: he had them build these special, they built a special
[51:33] Speaker 2: villa for him. because these guys are eight and a
[51:35] Speaker 2: half foot tall. So they built this whole villa for that.
[51:37] Speaker 2: They could come and hang out at, you know, where for,
[51:40] Speaker 2: you know, nine foot tall people. So, so that's, and Cliff,
[51:44] Speaker 2: I mentioned that too. He mentioned he was, he was
[51:46] Speaker 2: looking to buy a house on the West coast and
[51:50] Speaker 2: he went to this house and everything was like giant sized.
[51:53] Speaker 2: It's like the toilets were gigantic. The, the counters were gigantic.
[51:57] Speaker 2: Like the counters came up to the mid chest on
[51:59] Speaker 2: the kitchen counters.
[52:00] Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.
[52:01] Speaker 2: Everything was just like supersized. And then the thing was,
[52:04] Speaker 2: if you buy the house, all these things are going away.
[52:07] Speaker 2: They're going to take them with them because they're obviously
[52:09] Speaker 2: custom built. And then they'll put in regular sized stuff.
[52:12] Speaker 2: And they said, oh, they're really tall people, basketball players, right?
[52:15] Speaker 2: That was the excuse, right? But they never saw any
[52:17] Speaker 2: pictures of them or anything. So that's an example. Well,
[52:19] Speaker 2: speaking of Cliff.
[52:20] Speaker 1: High, his webop prediction, according to that, we are entering
[52:24] Speaker 1: sci-fi age where there will be possible... contact with these
[52:31] Speaker 1: beings or that at least the general public will be
[52:36] Speaker 1: fully aware that they exist somehow and there's a lot
[52:39] Speaker 1: happening right now of course you hear the drone stories
[52:42] Speaker 1: and then on top of that you see the videos
[52:45] Speaker 1: of the weird plasmas that seem to be at war
[52:48] Speaker 1: with the drones very interesting things happening right now i'd
[52:52] Speaker 1: love to get your thoughts on all that well cliff.
[52:54] Speaker 2: High and these other people the future forecast people looked
[52:57] Speaker 2: into it you know the remote viewers And they actually
[52:59] Speaker 2: saw something like that happening. They actually saw it. But
[53:02] Speaker 2: I think what's happening is there is some sort of
[53:04] Speaker 2: extraterrestrial program going on. But then to cover up, the U.S.,
[53:10] Speaker 2: they're bringing out these drones, which are obviously ours, right?
[53:15] Speaker 2: They have the red and green lights and blinking lights
[53:17] Speaker 2: and propellers, right? They're not from outer space. Okay, so
[53:20] Speaker 2: I think they've got two things going on here. You
[53:22] Speaker 2: probably do have some sort of extraterrestrial actions going on
[53:25] Speaker 2: that are like, getting people's attention, but to cover that up,
[53:28] Speaker 2: to muddy the waters, they put their own drones out
[53:31] Speaker 2: there to kind of like, so is it an alien?
[53:33] Speaker 2: Is it a drone? You know, and so if you
[53:35] Speaker 2: look at it, it's, it's, you can't really tell, right?
[53:40] Speaker 2: Because what is it, right? Is it, is it a drone?
[53:43] Speaker 2: And people, most people will just discount it all completely
[53:46] Speaker 2: because they, you know, they'll just call it a drone.
[53:48] Speaker 2: It's the same way when there was UFO sightings, you know,
[53:51] Speaker 2: they get to come out and they call it swamp
[53:52] Speaker 2: gas or the planet Venus, or, you know, they, they
[53:55] Speaker 2: ridicule the person, right? or whatever. It's just a way
[53:58] Speaker 2: of muddying the waters on what's really going on. Not
[54:00] Speaker 2: that I know what's really going on, but there does
[54:03] Speaker 2: seem to be some sort of, you know, there is
[54:07] Speaker 2: from the people in the know, there's some sort of like,
[54:10] Speaker 2: certain groups of aliens are tired of like, it's like
[54:13] Speaker 2: aliens that want humanity to succeed, and there's ones that
[54:15] Speaker 2: want to keep us their slaves. And, you know, the
[54:18] Speaker 2: first thing, that's why they don't want humans ever to
[54:20] Speaker 2: know that they exist, aliens exist, or one group, because,
[54:23] Speaker 2: you know, if humans ever came to understand that aliens
[54:26] Speaker 2: really did exist at a mass, it would be like
[54:28] Speaker 2: two weeks later, they'd figure out, Oh, we've actually been
[54:31] Speaker 2: being controlled by aliens for, you know, the last 5,000 years. Right.
[54:36] Speaker 2: Cause you look at some of the Sumerian paintings, right.
[54:38] Speaker 2: Or the Sumerian things, they have these really tall guys,
[54:41] Speaker 2: you know, the people are small and they say, Oh,
[54:43] Speaker 2: they're just doing that because those guys are like the rulers. Well,
[54:46] Speaker 2: not if these guys are using that life extension technology,
[54:49] Speaker 2: because they had this one guy who was going to
[54:50] Speaker 2: Harvard and, uh, He'd gotten into Harvard, you know, in
[54:54] Speaker 2: certain ways. But he was running to make money there.
[54:57] Speaker 2: He was running the scams and stuff. And, you know,
[54:59] Speaker 2: making money on the side, very, you know, let's say,
[55:01] Speaker 2: you know, questionable but effective. And so finally these guys
[55:04] Speaker 2: in black came to him, you know, black suits and
[55:06] Speaker 2: stuff that came to him. And he thought they were
[55:07] Speaker 2: FBI agents and he was getting busted. And they said, no, no,
[55:10] Speaker 2: we respect your initiative. And we kind of like, we
[55:15] Speaker 2: would like to hire guys like you. And so eventually,
[55:18] Speaker 2: you know, they did an interview process. And finally he decided, yeah,
[55:21] Speaker 2: he'd become part of it. And so he goes to, like,
[55:23] Speaker 2: they go out to someplace out there in Boston, and
[55:26] Speaker 2: he goes into a basement, and the guys say, okay,
[55:29] Speaker 2: we're done. You know, he signs some stuff, and he says, well,
[55:32] Speaker 2: welcome to the group. And then out of a door
[55:35] Speaker 2: opens up, and this eight-and-a-half-foot guy comes out. It's probably Kenyon's,
[55:39] Speaker 2: the guy's name. He seems to be the guy. Kenyon
[55:42] Speaker 2: was probably the guy talking in front of the IMF
[55:45] Speaker 2: and maybe this guy, and, you know, introduces himself and says,
[55:47] Speaker 2: welcome to the team, right? But eventually this guy got
[55:49] Speaker 2: kicked out of the team because he was just a
[55:51] Speaker 2: little too unethical. And, you know, make it a little
[55:53] Speaker 2: bit too on the side for himself, you know. And
[55:55] Speaker 2: so he got kicked out. They didn't kill him or anything.
[55:57] Speaker 2: But then he just recounts his stories. Somebody, I have
[56:00] Speaker 2: it recorded somewhere on my data. But who knows? I'd
[56:03] Speaker 2: take a day or two to dig it out. So,
[56:05] Speaker 2: I mean, so these guys exist and that technology exists.
[56:08] Speaker 2: And they all seem to use it. That's why you have,
[56:10] Speaker 2: you know, the extraterrestrial seem, you know, they live 800
[56:13] Speaker 2: years and they get taller and taller each time. But
[56:16] Speaker 2: you also see it like Saint Germain. Remember the story
[56:19] Speaker 2: of Saint Germain? There's this guy, he knows how to
[56:22] Speaker 2: speak all these languages. He doesn't eat the food, but he'd,
[56:25] Speaker 2: you know, occasionally drink a glass of wine, but he
[56:28] Speaker 2: has all this knowledge about history, like he was actually there.
[56:31] Speaker 2: And every time people see him, he gets a little
[56:33] Speaker 2: bit taller and taller and taller. And until finally he disappears,
[56:37] Speaker 2: but he's come back. I mean, he was, he was
[56:39] Speaker 2: even a St. Germain type guy at the formation of
[56:42] Speaker 2: the United States of America. He was hanging out with
[56:44] Speaker 2: the founding fathers of the pubs and giving them a
[56:47] Speaker 2: little things. And it was like the same guy, right?
[56:50] Speaker 2: He's a different group than these other than the W56ers.
[56:54] Speaker 1: That's interesting. He's usually attributed to like vampire lore, but
[56:58] Speaker 1: I've never really heard him compared to extraterrestrials, which is interesting.
[57:02] Speaker 2: Well, he's got that technology, that technology. You use it,
[57:05] Speaker 2: you get taller and taller each time. And like they
[57:08] Speaker 2: had one where there was going to be a plane
[57:09] Speaker 2: crash because these aliens, extraterrestrials actually can kind of like
[57:13] Speaker 2: future forecast. And so they got like a, they got
[57:16] Speaker 2: like a body double and, And these are not nice people, right?
[57:19] Speaker 2: Because they have like operatives where they put butts in
[57:24] Speaker 2: their brains. This is back in the 50s. And like
[57:26] Speaker 2: they needed a taxi driver. And all of a sudden,
[57:28] Speaker 2: this taxi driver would just appear out of nowhere and
[57:31] Speaker 2: pick them up and then drive them and then he'd
[57:33] Speaker 2: drive back. And they were like ordinary Italians, right? That
[57:36] Speaker 2: they'd program, they'd have some sort of mind control. They
[57:40] Speaker 2: could just use them for their purposes. If they needed
[57:42] Speaker 2: a taxi driver, the guy probably didn't have any family,
[57:44] Speaker 2: they could just take him over and he'd go here
[57:46] Speaker 2: to pick somebody up and take him here to pick up.
[57:48] Speaker 2: And he was just like totally zombie mind control. And
[57:51] Speaker 2: so they did that to somebody. They knew this plane
[57:53] Speaker 2: was going to crash or maybe they crashed it. And
[57:55] Speaker 2: they had one of their guys, their operatives that they
[57:57] Speaker 2: had working for them, you know, because what happens is
[58:01] Speaker 2: you never age and you get a little bit taller
[58:03] Speaker 2: every year, right? And so after a while, you know,
[58:06] Speaker 2: if you're there really long and they're never like, they're
[58:08] Speaker 2: the assistant to the assistant secretary, right? or the assistant
[58:12] Speaker 2: to the CEO, right? They're always not the top leadership,
[58:15] Speaker 2: but they're right next to them. And it's going to
[58:17] Speaker 2: be kind of hard to explain why you haven't aged
[58:19] Speaker 2: for 20 years and you're getting taller all the time.
[58:22] Speaker 2: So what happens is this guy was supposed to take
[58:24] Speaker 2: this plane flight, but they actually got like a body
[58:27] Speaker 2: double to go take the plane flight. So the plane
[58:28] Speaker 2: crashes and they identify this guy in the plane crash records, right?
[58:33] Speaker 2: It's one of the guys that died in the plane crash,
[58:34] Speaker 2: but the guy didn't die. He actually went on to
[58:37] Speaker 2: another operation. So they'll take him to another part of
[58:40] Speaker 2: the planet give him a whole new name, a whole
[58:43] Speaker 2: new identity, and put him into the local community as
[58:46] Speaker 2: like a spy, a manipulator. So he went from Italy
[58:49] Speaker 2: to maybe Argentina, right? And they'd have him where he
[58:52] Speaker 2: worked there 10 or 15 years. And then there'd be
[58:55] Speaker 2: an accident or something where he'd die, right? And they
[58:58] Speaker 2: would never find the body or something, right? Or the
[59:00] Speaker 2: body's terribly disfigured, right? And then by that time, and
[59:04] Speaker 2: eventually you grow too tall when you're getting about seven
[59:06] Speaker 2: feet tall. It's kind of hard to explain why you're
[59:09] Speaker 2: so tall. so then they go work underground in these
[59:12] Speaker 2: underground bases where they work behind screens back then they
[59:15] Speaker 2: were working behind screens and manipulating things right they're obviously
[59:18] Speaker 2: an intelligence operation of some sort on manipulating and humans
[59:22] Speaker 2: and fighting the other people who are manipulating humans right
[59:25] Speaker 2: and so And then as you get old, if you
[59:26] Speaker 2: live long enough, you eventually, you know, when you get
[59:29] Speaker 2: to eight and a half feet tall, then you're the
[59:30] Speaker 2: guy talking in front of the IMF. You're the guy
[59:32] Speaker 2: bringing new people into the organization. And then when you're
[59:35] Speaker 2: 10 and a half feet tall, you're the guy running
[59:37] Speaker 2: the organization. And at some point you might even have
[59:39] Speaker 2: to leave the planet because at that time you have problems.
[59:42] Speaker 2: Andre the Giant had problems. So maybe you go off
[59:45] Speaker 2: world to like, you know, the moon or a lower
[59:47] Speaker 2: gravity planet where, you know, you're now a super boss
[59:51] Speaker 2: for the aliens. But, you know, they claim when they
[59:53] Speaker 2: had an off world, human type civilization with 600,000 people,
[59:58] Speaker 2: yet they were using all this super advanced technology that
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: you need a society of many, many millions, if not
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: billions of people to create, right? When you have super
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: high tech, 600,000 people can't make an advanced high tech technology.
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. But these guys are using all this high tech.
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: So obviously they're working for somebody else, a bigger society,
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: a bigger organization. They're not the ones that came up
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: with that technology. They're just workers. They're agents on the
[1:00:23] Speaker 2: earth because they look human. They are humans. Some of
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: them from off-world, humans that are living off-world, so there's
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: obviously an off-world human population of those guys that get
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: too tall, and then some of them come back to Earth,
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: and then some of them are the ones recruited from Earth,
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: who eventually, if they live long enough, will become part
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: of that organization.
[1:00:43] Speaker 1: We got a few minutes left. We had some tech difficulties.
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: We're back.
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: Ken was saying too much as usual. So in closing,
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: how do you feel about where we're headed with this
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: return administration, the Orange Emperor, UFOs, the reclaiming of new
[1:00:59] Speaker 1: lands and everything that is poised to unfold during the
[1:01:03] Speaker 1: next four years?
[1:01:05] Speaker 3: What are your thoughts?
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: Well, I think it's going to be pretty you know
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: the remote viewers see a whole lot of changes coming
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: and you know trump you know the the alternative was
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: just their malevolent evil was pure bowels of hell yes
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: exactly so trump isn't like mr perfect right he's so
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: much better than the alternative and he speaks his own
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: mind he's his own person good or bad and so
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: i think that's we we are under better administration than
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: we would be under the psychos i mean not that
[1:01:37] Speaker 2: biden was running anything ever He was just a zombie
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: who did what he was told. And it was just insulting, actually,
[1:01:46] Speaker 2: to have him running the... Well, he wasn't running anything.
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: It was just insulting the whole fraud that was there.
[1:01:52] Speaker 2: But I think, yeah, I think there is some sort
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: of big changes coming. It's kind of like the Wu change, right?
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: The old order is going away and the new one's
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: coming up. I mean, if we look at the United States,
[1:02:03] Speaker 2: you can't go on. I mean, the amount of... Just
[1:02:06] Speaker 2: the interest on the national debt now because the way
[1:02:09] Speaker 2: they've been hyperinflating, the size of it is more than
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: the tax income. They got to roll over $ 10 trillion
[1:02:15] Speaker 2: of short-term bonds this year, and it's going to be
[1:02:18] Speaker 2: like five and a half, 6%. And about the end
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: of the year, the amount of interest we got to
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: pay on the bonds is more than all the taxes
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: come in. That's not continuous. Either you've got hyperinflation or
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: you crash the economy, right? Or they go to a
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: super war, right? So that's, yeah. So, I mean, things
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: are going to change. We are at a period of
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: massive and rapid change and It appears that also that
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: maybe extraterrestrial forces are going to be intervening in a
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: direct sense more than they've had before. Because maybe it's
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: reached a point that, you know, for the planet and
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: other things where, you know, they obviously value the planet
[1:02:54] Speaker 2: as a functioning organism. And they don't want it to
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: be trashed either. So they're just, you know, I think
[1:03:00] Speaker 2: it's coming to a head in many different ways. And
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: we're going to see massive changes, I think, in 2012.
[1:03:06] Speaker 2: and moving especially toward 2027.
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: It's a hell of a time to be alive, I'll
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: tell you that much.
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: Yes, it is. So buy extra popcorn and get ready
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: for the unexpected.
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: Right on. Well, Ken, thank you so much. Fantastic information
[1:03:22] Speaker 1: as usual. I'll have all your links in the description.
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: And with that, today I want to welcome Elizabeth Hancock.
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: She is a researcher and author specializing in spirituality, metaphysics,
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: and consciousness. She is a dedicated truth seeker and focuses
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: on the nature of reality, lost history, secret societies, and
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: our star ancestry. Elizabeth, welcome. How you doing?
[1:03:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good, thanks. Thank you for inviting me on.
[1:03:49] Speaker 3: It's great to be here.
[1:03:50] Speaker 1: It's great to have you. I am very much looking
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: forward to this discussion. Your research covers everything from metaphysics
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: and spirituality to lost history and the multidimensional nature of reality.
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: This is all some of our favorite topics here. And
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: just in the past couple of years, there seems to
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: have been a noticeable increase in the interest in some
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: of these topics, which also unfortunately comes with a lot
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: of misinformation to sift through. But it does seem like
[1:04:19] Speaker 1: more people than ever are seeking answers and becoming aware
[1:04:23] Speaker 1: that there may be much more to this reality than
[1:04:26] Speaker 1: our mainstream science and academia would ever acknowledge now. So
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: there's a lot to discuss. I'm really interested in your research.
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: Before we get into it, this is your first time on.
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about yourself and what brought
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: you to this work.
[1:04:42] Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah. So, I mean, you know, I think
[1:04:45] Speaker 3: like most kids, I was very intuitive. And, you know,
[1:04:50] Speaker 3: then society just sort of blocks you down, you know.
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: And I think what we sort of call intuitive is
[1:04:59] Speaker 3: probably the multidimensional self, which, you know, we are born
[1:05:05] Speaker 3: as that multidimensional self, which we all are. And then society, which,
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: you know, it just doesn't quite know how to deal
[1:05:12] Speaker 3: with this. You know, it just shuts children down, you know,
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: whether it's parents' fear, whether it's religion, education, I mean,
[1:05:20] Speaker 3: just everything, everything in our society shuts down this multidimensional, um,
[1:05:28] Speaker 3: you know, sort of human that we are. And, um,
[1:05:32] Speaker 3: you know, sort of puts us into, if you like
[1:05:35] Speaker 3: puts us into this mind matrix, you know, 3d mind matrix,
[1:05:38] Speaker 3: you know, this is what the world looks like. This
[1:05:40] Speaker 3: is what you're going to see. This is what you're
[1:05:42] Speaker 3: going to do. And then, you know, everyone just sort
[1:05:47] Speaker 3: of toes the line, you know, and just does what
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: everyone else is doing. And we end up, you know,
[1:05:50] Speaker 3: in the corporate world and the rat race and, you know,
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff. And we just sort
[1:05:54] Speaker 3: of forget, you know? We forget who we are. But
[1:05:57] Speaker 3: then around 10 years ago, my mom died and I
[1:06:01] Speaker 3: started to hear her voice in my head. And I
[1:06:04] Speaker 3: just thought it was part of the grieving process, you know,
[1:06:07] Speaker 3: and I was sort of chatting to her for about
[1:06:10] Speaker 3: a year. And then one day my sister was coming
[1:06:13] Speaker 3: to visit and I asked her if she had a
[1:06:15] Speaker 3: message to pass on to my sister. And she gave
[1:06:18] Speaker 3: me this message. And I then told my sister and
[1:06:22] Speaker 3: it was just so profound for my sister that It
[1:06:26] Speaker 3: planted a seed, if you like, and I started to
[1:06:28] Speaker 3: ask myself, could I have been talking to my mother?
[1:06:32] Speaker 3: And I do think that I was. You could say
[1:06:35] Speaker 3: that it was a part of her consciousness. I think
[1:06:40] Speaker 3: that we are all multidimensional and I don't believe that
[1:06:44] Speaker 3: we die. I think that we lose the body and
[1:06:49] Speaker 3: we move on and we either incarnate or we move
[1:06:52] Speaker 3: on to somewhere else. But our essence, our soul, as
[1:06:56] Speaker 3: people call it, but, you know, our life force, it
[1:06:58] Speaker 3: carries on. And anyway, at the same time, there were
[1:07:03] Speaker 3: other strange things going on in my life, you know,
[1:07:06] Speaker 3: and I just, I started to explore it. I started
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: to explore all the science behind it because I had
[1:07:12] Speaker 3: a very analytical mind, very logical mind, and I needed
[1:07:16] Speaker 3: to understand how it all worked, you know. And I
[1:07:21] Speaker 3: just began exploring and, you know, like multidimensionality, string theory, M-theory,
[1:07:26] Speaker 3: you know, all these different scientific theories, quantum physics. And
[1:07:32] Speaker 3: I just sort of researched this for about four years.
[1:07:35] Speaker 3: And then, you know, that is the culmination of this book,
[1:07:38] Speaker 3: you know, my first book. And that's all the science
[1:07:43] Speaker 3: behind the woo, if you like, and everything sort of
[1:07:46] Speaker 3: in there. And then I then sort of, started to
[1:07:51] Speaker 3: research more for my next book, which has just come
[1:07:53] Speaker 3: out literally like two weeks ago. And that's because I
[1:07:57] Speaker 3: was really passionate about understanding who we are. And it's
[1:08:02] Speaker 3: something I've always been passionate about, you know, what's our purpose,
[1:08:06] Speaker 3: why we here, who we are. Um, because I, I
[1:08:10] Speaker 3: never believed that, you know, we just are lumps of
[1:08:13] Speaker 3: flesh that live and die. It just, it, it never
[1:08:15] Speaker 3: felt that never, never resonated with me. So, um, I
[1:08:20] Speaker 3: just went on another journey for another two years and
[1:08:22] Speaker 3: started researching and writing for my next book, which is
[1:08:25] Speaker 3: all about who we are, our star ancestry, and the
[1:08:29] Speaker 3: multiverse that we live in, that we're part of.
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: Excellent. That's a great introduction. The more I learn about this,
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: the more I really have questions about everything. There seems
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: to be layers to this reality that contain things an
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: ecosystem of life forms just beyond our perception. Now, if
[1:08:52] Speaker 1: you had to break down this reality, this multidimensional existence
[1:08:59] Speaker 1: and the layers beyond, where would you start when trying
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: to describe this matrix system that we're in?
[1:09:09] Speaker 3: Well, you know, over the past few years of researching,
[1:09:13] Speaker 3: I've come to understand and believe that it actually all
[1:09:18] Speaker 3: starts with the heart. And when you think about how
[1:09:22] Speaker 3: the heart has been completely shut down, it's, you know,
[1:09:25] Speaker 3: it's all been traumatized in all of us. And then
[1:09:27] Speaker 3: the ones who haven't been traumatized, you know, we've got
[1:09:29] Speaker 3: the cheesy romance films, you know, that sort of everything
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: is designed to pull us out, you know. And I
[1:09:35] Speaker 3: think that that actually is where it all begins. So
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: the soul is sort of like a prism, if you like,
[1:09:40] Speaker 3: you know, and it's just sort of you know, like
[1:09:43] Speaker 3: all different aspects of it. I think that we exist
[1:09:45] Speaker 3: in probably 12 dimensions, you know, which correlates with the
[1:09:49] Speaker 3: 12 strands of DNA that we are becoming again, this
[1:09:53] Speaker 3: 12 stranded DNA. From my research, I understand that all
[1:09:56] Speaker 3: beings in the universe are 12 stranded DNA and we,
[1:10:00] Speaker 3: as was cut down and reduced down to two, but
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: we can see that now children are beginning to, um,
[1:10:08] Speaker 3: I think there's a boy, 2016, called Alfie, who's now
[1:10:12] Speaker 3: got three strands of DNA. They've now discovered a fourth
[1:10:16] Speaker 3: strand of DNA, which they're attributing to a disease, a disorder.
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: But I think what it's showing is that actually we're
[1:10:23] Speaker 3: activating back up again. So not only does it show
[1:10:26] Speaker 3: that we were suppressed, but we are activating back. And that,
[1:10:29] Speaker 3: I think, is to do with the rising energies of
[1:10:33] Speaker 3: the planet, the light codes, the crop circles, all this stuff.
[1:10:36] Speaker 3: It's activating our consciousness back. It's activating our consciousness back
[1:10:41] Speaker 3: into this multidimensional reality, this world, if you like. So
[1:10:48] Speaker 3: it's something which I believe that we access through the mind.
[1:10:52] Speaker 3: But I think what humans have done wrong is they've
[1:10:55] Speaker 3: been accessing it through the mind for many, many civilizations.
[1:10:59] Speaker 3: And I think this is why Atlantis fell. Because what
[1:11:04] Speaker 3: we keep missing is it's actually through the heart. We
[1:11:07] Speaker 3: have to spiritually evolve and access our multidimensional self through
[1:11:12] Speaker 3: the heart. And I think that's where it all starts.
[1:11:16] Speaker 3: And so I'm always saying to people, if you just
[1:11:18] Speaker 3: do one thing, just work on your heart, release the trauma,
[1:11:23] Speaker 3: release the ancestral abuse trauma that's gone on for thousands
[1:11:27] Speaker 3: of years and just open up your heart again. And
[1:11:30] Speaker 3: it can feel very painful. Certainly when I opened up mine,
[1:11:34] Speaker 3: it felt like you can feel everything. And it feels like,
[1:11:39] Speaker 3: you know, like knives stabbing you, you know, because this
[1:11:42] Speaker 3: world is so low vibrational, but the more of us
[1:11:46] Speaker 3: who can do that, the more we actually will raise
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: the vibration of the planet. And, you know, once we
[1:11:52] Speaker 3: get to a high enough level, all the crap will
[1:11:56] Speaker 3: fall away. You know, it just won't be able to
[1:11:58] Speaker 3: exist at that vibrational frequency because everything is about frequency.
[1:12:02] Speaker 3: So we've been in this lower frequency for a very
[1:12:05] Speaker 3: long time, you know, on purpose. And we're all now
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: raising our frequency so that we can, you know, get
[1:12:12] Speaker 3: into this higher, higher frequency, connect with the higher frequencies,
[1:12:16] Speaker 3: connect with higher consciousness, but also raise the frequency of
[1:12:19] Speaker 3: the planet as well so that we can move into
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: a better reality ourselves. Excellent.
[1:12:24] Speaker 1: I want to get a little further into your understanding
[1:12:28] Speaker 1: of what is happening right now. I've noticed a lot
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: of amazing things with the collective consciousness and people's awakening today.
[1:12:35] Speaker 1: I'd like to go back to human origins. I know
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: you've done a lot of research into this, and this
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: is also one of the biggest mysteries. The more we
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: learn about our ancient past, it seems that the older
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: humanity is and the more advanced we possibly were as
[1:12:53] Speaker 1: far as our knowledge of science and technology. It was
[1:12:58] Speaker 1: probably a lot different types of technology than we're used
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: to now, but.
[1:13:04] Speaker 3: the more.
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: Evidence comes out, it seems that we were a very
[1:13:08] Speaker 1: advanced race, possibly at multiple times in our ancient past.
[1:13:12] Speaker 1: And there may have been multiple resets or cataclysms. What
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: is your understanding of human origins? And was there another
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: hand in it, a non-human intelligence?
[1:13:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, certainly human origins goes back a very long way. Dr.
[1:13:32] Speaker 3: Gary Nolan has now put forward his research, which essentially
[1:13:39] Speaker 3: shows us that human DNA is nine billion years old. Now,
[1:13:44] Speaker 3: if the planet is really only four and a half
[1:13:46] Speaker 3: billion years old, then it means that that categorically proves
[1:13:50] Speaker 3: that humans have not come or human DNA has not
[1:13:53] Speaker 3: come from this planet. So it's been brought to this
[1:13:56] Speaker 3: planet at some point. Certainly, there are many, many people
[1:14:00] Speaker 3: who are saying that this is the case. You only
[1:14:03] Speaker 3: have to look at the panspermia theory, which part of
[1:14:07] Speaker 3: that theory, although it talks about cosmic dust coming down
[1:14:11] Speaker 3: from other planets and things, which I believe it does,
[1:14:16] Speaker 3: but part of that theory also involves space beings coming
[1:14:21] Speaker 3: here and seeding the complex DNA, including our DNA, because
[1:14:27] Speaker 3: our DNA is so complex. It just, you know, I mean,
[1:14:30] Speaker 3: Francis Crick, the Nobel Prize winner said this, that it's
[1:14:33] Speaker 3: the only thing that made any sense to him was
[1:14:35] Speaker 3: that we must have been seeded here from something outside
[1:14:39] Speaker 3: of the planet. So when we look at that, and
[1:14:43] Speaker 3: we look at this, you know, sort of the evolved
[1:14:45] Speaker 3: ape theory, which has never, ever been any proof of,
[1:14:48] Speaker 3: and yet it's still being taught to us. But Even now,
[1:14:52] Speaker 3: scientists know that the human is here and the apes
[1:14:58] Speaker 3: is here, and there are so many missing links. It
[1:15:02] Speaker 3: just doesn't correlate in that way. I think probably the
[1:15:07] Speaker 3: only thing that you could possibly say is that, okay,
[1:15:10] Speaker 3: if it was an ape, then this ape was genetically
[1:15:14] Speaker 3: altered many times in order to create the human species,
[1:15:19] Speaker 3: or apes and humans just were around at the same
[1:15:23] Speaker 3: time and humans came here from another planet. So whichever
[1:15:29] Speaker 3: way you look at it, we haven't evolved from apes, essentially.
[1:15:35] Speaker 3: So there's also evidence, Michael Cremo, he's very interesting. He
[1:15:40] Speaker 3: talks a lot about the skeletal remains that have been
[1:15:43] Speaker 3: found on the planet. So there's human remains, even with
[1:15:47] Speaker 3: the rounded head, I think, the rounded skull. which isn't
[1:15:51] Speaker 3: supposed to have come in since, um, like 30, 40,000
[1:15:54] Speaker 3: years ago with Cro-Magnon. He was the rounded skull before that,
[1:15:58] Speaker 3: you know, the Neanderthal and everyone had sort of the
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: more elongated one, but he's saying that there's skeleton remains
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: going back 286,000 years. It's found in very old cold strata.
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: We've got all the ancient relics, you know, the, um,
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: 500 million year old zinc vase and, you know, just
[1:16:20] Speaker 3: all this stuff, which is completely hidden to us. So
[1:16:24] Speaker 3: the thing is, we're all sort of trying to make
[1:16:27] Speaker 3: sense of the world and trying to make sense of
[1:16:29] Speaker 3: who we are, where we come from. But so much
[1:16:32] Speaker 3: of this information has been hidden. So it's a bit like,
[1:16:35] Speaker 3: you know, trying to make a cake when you've only
[1:16:37] Speaker 3: got two of the ingredients, you know, we're not going
[1:16:40] Speaker 3: to be able to really understand who we are and
[1:16:43] Speaker 3: where we come from. until we have all the information.
[1:16:47] Speaker 3: And of course, the geneticists, as Lloyd Pye wrote about
[1:16:51] Speaker 3: in his book, the geneticists have also said, some have
[1:16:54] Speaker 3: come forward and said that we haven't been given all
[1:16:57] Speaker 3: the information about our DNA either. So, I mean, I've
[1:17:03] Speaker 3: got sort of my own opinions about things, but ultimately,
[1:17:07] Speaker 3: it's a very hard question to answer when we don't
[1:17:10] Speaker 3: have all the information.
[1:17:11] Speaker 1: Any thoughts about... the Anunnaki mythos, and if there's any
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: accuracy or validity to Zachariah Sitchin's research or some of
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: the other modern researchers that look into the Sumerian mythos. Hello, friends.
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[1:18:11] Speaker 1: think that the Anunnaki were here. I think that possibly....
[1:18:29] Speaker 3: There were many, like a lot of them are called Anunnaki.
[1:18:33] Speaker 3: I think from my research, what I'm seeing is that
[1:18:35] Speaker 3: there are multiple gods. And you even see this still
[1:18:38] Speaker 3: in some of the religions. Some of the religions in India,
[1:18:41] Speaker 3: they still worship hundreds of gods. And I think that
[1:18:45] Speaker 3: what I feel is that these gods were advanced beings.
[1:18:51] Speaker 3: off planet, inner earth, whatever it may be, but they
[1:18:54] Speaker 3: were very advanced to the local population. And they were
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: seen as gods, which would make sense. So these gods
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: were using advanced technology. We can see evidence of advanced
[1:19:06] Speaker 3: technology everywhere in our world, just the pyramids alone. and
[1:19:12] Speaker 3: we can see that there were a lot of different
[1:19:17] Speaker 3: people here, and there were many benevolent gods. We've been
[1:19:21] Speaker 3: given so much information and help. Medicine was given to us.
[1:19:25] Speaker 3: Surgery was given to us. I think like 600 BC
[1:19:29] Speaker 3: or something, the first cataract operation was performed. So many
[1:19:34] Speaker 3: things have been given to us. So I do think
[1:19:38] Speaker 3: that Anunnaki definitely existed. In terms of the cuneiform tablets
[1:19:45] Speaker 3: and Enki and Enlil, things like this, I don't know.
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: I think we put too much emphasis on Enki and Enlil.
[1:19:55] Speaker 3: When I see too much emphasis and this being allowed
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: into the world and not suppressed, alarm bells ring because
[1:20:03] Speaker 3: there's so much suppression about everything. And why is it
[1:20:06] Speaker 3: that we're allowed to have some of this information and
[1:20:09] Speaker 3: other stuff is suppressed? And I do think that there's
[1:20:14] Speaker 3: enough evidence to show that we've been genetically altered, but
[1:20:18] Speaker 3: there are different, I don't think that the genetic alterations
[1:20:21] Speaker 3: have all been bad. That's the thing. So the next
[1:20:24] Speaker 3: question is, well, who is doing these? And now I
[1:20:27] Speaker 3: do think that our DNA shows suppression. So someone must
[1:20:31] Speaker 3: have done that. The Anunnaki has talked about so many
[1:20:35] Speaker 3: different texts that I think that we need to accept
[1:20:39] Speaker 3: that they were here, that they were doing these things.
[1:20:44] Speaker 3: What they genetically altered, I think, is still a mystery.
[1:20:50] Speaker 3: Did they genetically alter an ape or did they genetically
[1:20:53] Speaker 3: alter a Neanderthal, a Homo erectus, which we can see
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: they were still humans and that was still human DNA.
[1:21:02] Speaker 3: So in a sense, they possibly altered a human that
[1:21:06] Speaker 3: was evolving in a spiritual way because I think that's
[1:21:11] Speaker 3: what evolution is. It's not like Darwin's theory. Evolution is spiritual.
[1:21:17] Speaker 3: And we're all evolving with, if you like, consciousness, the creator,
[1:21:22] Speaker 3: the universe. Everyone is evolving in this way. And I
[1:21:26] Speaker 3: think that genetic changes were done to us to stop
[1:21:29] Speaker 3: us evolving in that spiritual way, maybe not on purpose.
[1:21:33] Speaker 3: Maybe we were turned into a worker being or worker
[1:21:37] Speaker 3: species because they needed someone to mine the gold. But
[1:21:42] Speaker 3: then after that, they sort of physically advanced us, but
[1:21:48] Speaker 3: we weren't spiritually advanced enough. And one of the most
[1:21:53] Speaker 3: interesting things here is the Dogon tribe, who talk about
[1:21:58] Speaker 3: the nomu, and how the NUMO came from Sirius B,
[1:22:04] Speaker 3: and then the Anunnaki were also supposed to have come
[1:22:06] Speaker 3: from Sirius B. So I've been asking myself the question, well,
[1:22:09] Speaker 3: are these the same people? And if so, the NUMO
[1:22:12] Speaker 3: were described as an amphibian reptilian race who altered the DNA,
[1:22:18] Speaker 3: genetically altered a mammal on the planet in order to
[1:22:22] Speaker 3: create a.
[1:22:25] Speaker 3: A vessel to house their consciousness. So they were a
[1:22:28] Speaker 3: species that were able to, um, self fertilize if you like,
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: but they still needed to occasionally, um, have, you know,
[1:22:39] Speaker 3: like the, the normal man and woman thing. So they
[1:22:41] Speaker 3: were creating the female species and creating the male species.
[1:22:46] Speaker 3: The female species worked, the male species didn't, and they created,
[1:22:49] Speaker 3: you know, what, um, they call the jackal and it's
[1:22:52] Speaker 3: the jackal that is apparently been putting all the, that, that's,
[1:22:57] Speaker 3: that was the, that the, um, the species that they
[1:23:00] Speaker 3: couldn't uncreate, they then tried to uncreate and, and, um,
[1:23:04] Speaker 3: go back to, you know, to sort of, to, to,
[1:23:07] Speaker 3: to uncreate all the genetic changes that they'd made. Yeah.
[1:23:11] Speaker 3: And they couldn't do it. So in a sense, they
[1:23:14] Speaker 3: then felt that they had put the jackal into the
[1:23:16] Speaker 3: world and that was creating all the chaos. So this
[1:23:18] Speaker 3: is another theory just to throw into the mix, but
[1:23:23] Speaker 3: If they are the Anunnaki, then that fits in with
[1:23:28] Speaker 3: the reptilians. We've got the amphibian. We've got amphibian DNA
[1:23:35] Speaker 3: in us. I met a lady recently. Actually, it was
[1:23:40] Speaker 3: about last year. She told me that she was born
[1:23:44] Speaker 3: with webbed hands and webbed feet. She's also Rh-negative. She,
[1:23:51] Speaker 3: you know, she has the red hair. She has all
[1:23:54] Speaker 3: that sort of, you know, like the Anunnaki Lilith sort of,
[1:23:57] Speaker 3: you know, white skin, all of that. So that's very
[1:24:00] Speaker 3: interesting as well. So like I was saying, we don't
[1:24:03] Speaker 3: have all the answers yet, but I do think that
[1:24:06] Speaker 3: the cuneiform tablets must have been talking about something and,
[1:24:09] Speaker 3: you know, it comes up in the Nagamadi texts as
[1:24:12] Speaker 3: well with the rulers of reality. So there's definitely been
[1:24:16] Speaker 3: something like this on our planet, some sort of you know,
[1:24:20] Speaker 3: something that's been suppressing us, something that's been changing and
[1:24:22] Speaker 3: altering us.
[1:24:24] Speaker 1: I've heard such a wide range of theories about the
[1:24:27] Speaker 1: nature of these beings, whether they're non-humans or extraterrestrials. Many
[1:24:34] Speaker 1: believe that it's possible that these are not physical beings
[1:24:37] Speaker 1: at all, that they are non-corporeal energetic intelligences or maybe
[1:24:43] Speaker 1: some sort of archetypes or thought forms that can interact
[1:24:47] Speaker 1: with us. We have researchers like Jacques Vallée, who's presented
[1:24:51] Speaker 1: this possibility of a grand intelligence that can manifest in
[1:24:56] Speaker 1: different ways through our mind's eye, through our consciousness, and
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: it can seem like a very real physical experience. But again,
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: I consider all these possibilities. I'd love to get your
[1:25:07] Speaker 1: thoughts on that. And this also leads to the different
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: types of intelligences that are possibly non-physical, which you would
[1:25:15] Speaker 1: consider maybe demonic or disincarnate spirits. And I'd like to
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: get your understanding of this spectrum of beings.
[1:25:25] Speaker 3: Well, yes, I think that there are many entities and beings.
[1:25:28] Speaker 3: I mean, if you imagine the multiverse with parallel realities,
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: different timelines, different universes, different dimensions, I mean, I think
[1:25:40] Speaker 3: that there is a multitude of different forms of form,
[1:25:46] Speaker 3: if you like. And I think that it's very hard
[1:25:51] Speaker 3: for us to get our head around concepts, which most
[1:25:55] Speaker 3: likely involve advanced technology, so advanced that we actually don't
[1:26:00] Speaker 3: understand at all how it works. We're trying to understand
[1:26:05] Speaker 3: how all of this works from a 3D point of view,
[1:26:08] Speaker 3: and it's not 3D, you know? So, My understanding, consciousness,
[1:26:15] Speaker 3: of course, as we know, underpins the quantum field. So
[1:26:18] Speaker 3: consciousness drives everything. Now there's this understanding now that consciousness
[1:26:23] Speaker 3: could be plasma. And this is very interesting because plasma,
[1:26:27] Speaker 3: when you look at the, in the 1800s, when they
[1:26:32] Speaker 3: were doing all this sort of, psychic work, you know,
[1:26:35] Speaker 3: it was when they were really, really pushing this psychic
[1:26:37] Speaker 3: work and they were trying to bring in spirits and
[1:26:40] Speaker 3: the spirits were essentially able to come in and you
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: could see like a foot or a hand, you know.
[1:26:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, the spirit photography era.
[1:26:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. You know, so what if that's what the
[1:26:52] Speaker 3: spirit was trying to do was literally like manifest itself
[1:26:56] Speaker 3: into physical form using plasma and And when you sort
[1:27:01] Speaker 3: of think of it like that, then you sort of think, okay,
[1:27:05] Speaker 3: physical form is lower vibrational energy waves. Energy form is
[1:27:12] Speaker 3: higher vibrational energy waves. And when you think of the
[1:27:15] Speaker 3: different vibrational frequencies that we have in the multiverse, then
[1:27:19] Speaker 3: you can understand how there can be physical form or
[1:27:24] Speaker 3: they can be light beings or Entities, and of course,
[1:27:27] Speaker 3: we're not even physical. We're actually made of light ourselves,
[1:27:30] Speaker 3: as quantum physics has shown us. So I think what
[1:27:35] Speaker 3: we're talking about here is advanced technology. And I don't
[1:27:39] Speaker 3: see why a species a thousand years or a billion
[1:27:44] Speaker 3: years more advanced than us has not worked out how
[1:27:48] Speaker 3: to dematerialize and materialize. Shapeshifters come up in all of
[1:27:54] Speaker 3: our ancient myths, our old myths, and I think the
[1:27:57] Speaker 3: myths are really showing us things actually happened on our planet.
[1:28:04] Speaker 3: I think our planet used to be 5D, and I
[1:28:07] Speaker 3: think that's what it's showing us, all this advanced technology,
[1:28:10] Speaker 3: all these different things these people could do. And of course,
[1:28:14] Speaker 3: if they could do that, then they could easily manipulate
[1:28:20] Speaker 3: the physical form, I think. And so, yes, of course,
[1:28:26] Speaker 3: entities and beings, they would be able to do different
[1:28:29] Speaker 3: things that we can't do. But I don't think it
[1:28:32] Speaker 3: necessarily means that they're not physical. It just means that
[1:28:35] Speaker 3: they're able to manipulate and harness and tap into the
[1:28:38] Speaker 3: fields of consciousness that we are only just beginning to explore.
[1:28:43] Speaker 3: We've literally just started exploring consciousness. If we spend the
[1:28:46] Speaker 3: next thousand years exploring consciousness like Dr. Stephen Greer said
[1:28:50] Speaker 3: we're going to be doing, I think we'll really understand
[1:28:53] Speaker 3: how ETs use it, how they.
[1:29:00] Speaker 3: They sort of use it to, to, to come in
[1:29:02] Speaker 3: with their ships, you know, plasma consciousness that they actually have, um, the,
[1:29:07] Speaker 3: the ships themselves are living beings and is driven through consciousness.
[1:29:11] Speaker 3: I mean, there's just so much, so much that they
[1:29:13] Speaker 3: can do. And all of this is consciousness, which we're
[1:29:16] Speaker 3: beginning to understand ourselves.
[1:29:18] Speaker 1: You mentioned that you believe the planet used to be 5d.
[1:29:24] Speaker 1: Could you break down what exactly you mean by that?
[1:29:28] Speaker 3: Well, in, in, Quite a few of the ancient texts,
[1:29:31] Speaker 3: and I can't remember exactly which ones they are, but
[1:29:34] Speaker 3: I think it may be like the Indian Vedas or,
[1:29:36] Speaker 3: you know, or maybe it's like Tibetan culture. But they
[1:29:41] Speaker 3: talk about, well, actually, Agartha. So Agartha, they talk about
[1:29:45] Speaker 3: this being in another dimension. And when we have raised
[1:29:51] Speaker 3: our vibration, we'll be able to see it again. There's
[1:29:54] Speaker 3: also islands, you know, like complete islands and buildings, which
[1:29:58] Speaker 3: are in our ancient stories, they say, well, these buildings
[1:30:02] Speaker 3: have been seen before, and then they sort of drop
[1:30:05] Speaker 3: out of sight, if you like. And so, as we
[1:30:07] Speaker 3: go back into the Golden Age, as the indigenous tribes
[1:30:10] Speaker 3: call it, we will then start to see these buildings again. So,
[1:30:14] Speaker 3: that's sort of telling us that then there must be
[1:30:17] Speaker 3: more to this planet that we can actually see. And
[1:30:21] Speaker 3: if that's the case, are we talking about different dimensions,
[1:30:25] Speaker 3: maybe different densities or something? But I think that we
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: probably are. And in most of the research I've been
[1:30:34] Speaker 3: looking at, it talks about how space is in 5D.
[1:30:38] Speaker 3: And I've always found this quite interesting because that would
[1:30:40] Speaker 3: actually sort of make sense. So what we're seeing in
[1:30:42] Speaker 3: our 3D reality is not really, you know, we're seeing
[1:30:46] Speaker 3: like a 3D version of it. But if you imagine
[1:30:49] Speaker 3: that space is 5D, then it means that all these
[1:30:52] Speaker 3: different planets that we have could actually sustain life. And
[1:30:56] Speaker 3: I think that they probably are. But we're not able
[1:30:58] Speaker 3: to see it because they've been put into this sort
[1:31:00] Speaker 3: of 3D mind matrix, if you like. So I do
[1:31:05] Speaker 3: think that as we're moving back into 5D, we'll be
[1:31:07] Speaker 3: able to see more of what's around us. I also
[1:31:12] Speaker 3: think that things like dragons and Sasquatch, I think that
[1:31:15] Speaker 3: they can move off into other dimensions. I think they're
[1:31:19] Speaker 3: trans-dimensional because that would explain why the Sasquatch has never
[1:31:22] Speaker 3: been caught. And why dragons, that they... We have the bones.
[1:31:28] Speaker 3: I think dinosaurs were dragons. I know that there's a
[1:31:31] Speaker 3: sort of a dinosaur, a dragon looking head that was
[1:31:35] Speaker 3: found in Dorset not long ago. And I think that
[1:31:39] Speaker 3: these were dragons, you know, but, um, you know, now
[1:31:42] Speaker 3: I know that people are still talking about seeing them
[1:31:45] Speaker 3: and things like this, you know? So yeah, I think that, that, that,
[1:31:48] Speaker 3: that our reality is much wider than we have been
[1:31:52] Speaker 3: led to believe. Hmm.
[1:31:54] Speaker 1: And as we start to explore some of these older
[1:31:58] Speaker 1: esoteric concepts, a lot of Gnostic understandings are starting to resurface.
[1:32:04] Speaker 1: And there's many people that have the unfortunate perspective that
[1:32:10] Speaker 1: our reality has been hijacked by negative forces, that we
[1:32:14] Speaker 1: are somehow trapped in this reality, constantly recycled, and basically
[1:32:19] Speaker 1: our energy is food for negative, archonic intelligences. I do
[1:32:24] Speaker 1: consider all the possibilities. I'd love to get your thoughts on,
[1:32:28] Speaker 1: is it possible that at least some aspects of our
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: reality have been hijacked by negative forces?
[1:32:36] Speaker 3: Yes, I, I think that they probably have. And I, um,
[1:32:40] Speaker 3: from my research, this is going back at least 6,000 years,
[1:32:43] Speaker 3: if not 12,000 years. And, um, you know, there are
[1:32:47] Speaker 3: many people that say that these are the Anunnaki descendants
[1:32:49] Speaker 3: who do this. And of course, um, we have the
[1:32:52] Speaker 3: secret societies and some of them are negative. There's, there's
[1:32:55] Speaker 3: three negative secret societies who are really sort of, you know,
[1:33:01] Speaker 3: doing a lot of chaos, causing a lot of chaos
[1:33:03] Speaker 3: at the moment and have been running reality for at
[1:33:07] Speaker 3: least a hundred years. But probably more like, sorry, you
[1:33:12] Speaker 3: froze up. You froze up. We can see that.
[1:33:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: You saying how long have they been in control?
[1:33:18] Speaker 3: So we can see that they've been in control for
[1:33:22] Speaker 3: at least 120 years because we're talking about the Rothschild,
[1:33:26] Speaker 3: the Rockefellers, these sorts of people. If they really are
[1:33:30] Speaker 3: practicing Satanism, which I'm sure that they probably are because
[1:33:34] Speaker 3: there's just so many accounts of this and so many whistleblowers,
[1:33:38] Speaker 3: then it begs the question, well, who are they doing
[1:33:41] Speaker 3: it for? Who are they worshipping? And black magic exists, absolutely.
[1:33:50] Speaker 3: When you use blood, you know, that's black magic. And magic,
[1:33:55] Speaker 3: you know, is energy. You know, we live in an
[1:33:59] Speaker 3: energy world. You know, there's energy fields everywhere. So the
[1:34:03] Speaker 3: CIA has been working on mind control technology for at
[1:34:06] Speaker 3: least 100 years. And, you know, you've got to ask
[1:34:08] Speaker 3: yourself the questions, well, why? You know, why all these
[1:34:11] Speaker 3: different things? If there wasn't this suppression going on, then
[1:34:14] Speaker 3: why would they be doing these sorts of things? So
[1:34:18] Speaker 3: I agree with you. That we don't have to allow
[1:34:21] Speaker 3: that to push us into fear. Remember I was saying
[1:34:26] Speaker 3: everything is about the heart. We've really got to focus
[1:34:29] Speaker 3: on raising our.
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: Vibration.
[1:34:33] Speaker 3: A lot of this misinformation now and information is still
[1:34:38] Speaker 3: being designed to keep our vibration low. So everything in
[1:34:40] Speaker 3: the world at the moment is designed to keep our
[1:34:42] Speaker 3: vibration low so that we do not step into the
[1:34:45] Speaker 3: higher vibrations and essentially move our planet, you know, out
[1:34:50] Speaker 3: of the crap. So interdimensional beings, they do exist. They
[1:34:55] Speaker 3: live between dimensions as the, the word suggests, and they
[1:35:01] Speaker 3: don't have physical bodies, you know? So somewhere along the line,
[1:35:04] Speaker 3: did someone call one of these in?
[1:35:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:35:06] Speaker 3: I suspect that the Vatican did. And, um, you know,
[1:35:11] Speaker 3: the Jesuits and, um, Who is it that they called in?
[1:35:15] Speaker 3: Who are they worshiping? Well, there are many people that
[1:35:17] Speaker 3: say the Dracos, but even if it's not the Dracos,
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: it's still the demons or whatever, that something was called
[1:35:27] Speaker 3: into our world. And yes, I do think that we
[1:35:32] Speaker 3: were trapped into a karmic cycle, but I also know
[1:35:34] Speaker 3: that all of this has been, it's being undone. it's
[1:35:38] Speaker 3: all being undone. So since 2012, we've been able to
[1:35:41] Speaker 3: leave the planet, you know, the karmic cycle was broken
[1:35:44] Speaker 3: then since, um, all the children who've been coming in
[1:35:50] Speaker 3: for the, since 2010, I've all been coming into a higher,
[1:35:56] Speaker 3: that they'd be coming into 4d basically. So, you know,
[1:36:02] Speaker 3: already things are being undone. The, you know, I do
[1:36:06] Speaker 3: think that there are white hats that, And I think
[1:36:09] Speaker 3: that they're working with off-planet benevolent species. I think that
[1:36:13] Speaker 3: we come from different species. And they're also working behind
[1:36:18] Speaker 3: the scenes. I can see that there's a massive effort
[1:36:20] Speaker 3: to raise the levels of consciousness of the planet. You
[1:36:23] Speaker 3: can just see this everywhere. And the fact that you
[1:36:27] Speaker 3: can even measure the energy and you can see that
[1:36:31] Speaker 3: it's already risen significantly. so much, you know, we are,
[1:36:37] Speaker 3: we are raising, you know, we are sort of shifting
[1:36:39] Speaker 3: our vibration, if you like. So I think the thing
[1:36:42] Speaker 3: is for me, I'm not scared of information. I'd rather
[1:36:45] Speaker 3: know the truth, even if it's really uncomfortable, I'd rather
[1:36:48] Speaker 3: know it. But I also know that there are many
[1:36:50] Speaker 3: people who don't like information if it's, if it's bad,
[1:36:54] Speaker 3: but for me, it's knowledge is power. If you, if
[1:36:57] Speaker 3: we know this information, then we can equip ourselves to
[1:37:01] Speaker 3: deal with it. You know, We can't hide under the
[1:37:04] Speaker 3: bed and pretend things aren't happening. We have to find
[1:37:06] Speaker 3: out this information and then find solutions in order to
[1:37:11] Speaker 3: work with it and understand what part we need to
[1:37:15] Speaker 3: play and what do we need to do to help
[1:37:20] Speaker 3: the planet. So that's sort of how I tend to
[1:37:23] Speaker 3: look at things these days.
[1:37:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great perspective. I wanted to get your
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: thoughts on what is unfolding right now. the awakening that
[1:37:31] Speaker 1: we were just mentioning. You also mentioned in 2012, our
[1:37:34] Speaker 1: karmic cycle was broken. What is occurring on our planet
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: right now and causing this awakening? And what do you
[1:37:43] Speaker 1: think this will lead to?
[1:37:49] Speaker 3: Okay. So, like I said, I think that we have
[1:37:53] Speaker 3: been trying to, it's all about spiritual evolution, which in
[1:37:58] Speaker 3: my mind is levels of consciousness. You know, so humanity
[1:38:02] Speaker 3: is moving to their next level of consciousness, which we
[1:38:05] Speaker 3: could say is 4D, 5D. You know, I sort of
[1:38:08] Speaker 3: see it like this. And we have been trying to
[1:38:13] Speaker 3: spiritually evolve for quite a while. And we have been stopped,
[1:38:19] Speaker 3: I think, from evolving. And we're now moving into this,
[1:38:24] Speaker 3: what people call the golden age, but I haven't really
[1:38:27] Speaker 3: researched this too much, I know Dr. Stephen Greer talks
[1:38:30] Speaker 3: about this and says that this is our destined time
[1:38:34] Speaker 3: to move back into the Golden Age. We're apparently destined
[1:38:38] Speaker 3: to now have 500,000 years of peace, and that's what
[1:38:42] Speaker 3: the planet is supposed to be having. So, I tend
[1:38:48] Speaker 3: to look at it in terms of that we've been
[1:38:50] Speaker 3: held back and suppressed because we can see this in
[1:38:53] Speaker 3: so many different areas of our world. And now the
[1:38:57] Speaker 3: suppression is lifting, if you like. And I think that
[1:39:02] Speaker 3: there's a lot of help that we're being given. But
[1:39:05] Speaker 3: humanity itself, in order to spiritually evolve, we have to
[1:39:10] Speaker 3: get back to our heart. And this is the most
[1:39:13] Speaker 3: important thing. We've all got to raise our vibration from
[1:39:16] Speaker 3: the heart order to raise the vibration of the collective
[1:39:20] Speaker 3: and move out of 4D, if you like, and move
[1:39:24] Speaker 3: into 5D. So the interdimensional beings, demons, whatever, they will
[1:39:31] Speaker 3: not be able to exist past 4.3D. So I think
[1:39:36] Speaker 3: we're something like 3.9 now, maybe even 4, but we
[1:39:41] Speaker 3: need to get beyond that so that they literally will
[1:39:44] Speaker 3: fall away. It's a bit like frequency healing with disease.
[1:39:48] Speaker 3: You bombard the body with high vibrational frequencies like the
[1:39:52] Speaker 3: salvageo frequencies, and the disease literally cannot exist in that
[1:39:57] Speaker 3: high vibration anymore, and it just falls away. You look
[1:40:04] Speaker 3: at the empire of Tartaria, which was the free energy empire.
[1:40:07] Speaker 3: This is exactly what they were doing and using the
[1:40:09] Speaker 3: churches and cathedrals to do this. This was only 200
[1:40:12] Speaker 3: years ago. It shows that we have all this this energy.
[1:40:17] Speaker 3: We have all this technology. We've had free energy before.
[1:40:20] Speaker 3: I think there are still some people using it on
[1:40:23] Speaker 3: this planet, and it's just there waiting for us to
[1:40:27] Speaker 3: just sort of awaken and raise our vibration. And for
[1:40:35] Speaker 3: the people like the Rothschilds, we call them the elites,
[1:40:40] Speaker 3: the parasites, psychopaths, whatever, for these people to just leave
[1:40:44] Speaker 3: and move off the planet or to just sort of
[1:40:49] Speaker 3: disappear from view, if you like, you know, so that
[1:40:51] Speaker 3: we can become the majority on the planet as we
[1:40:55] Speaker 3: always have been. But they were manipulating the energy fields
[1:40:59] Speaker 3: and sort of pulling it all around to them, if
[1:41:01] Speaker 3: you like. And I think they were using probably black
[1:41:04] Speaker 3: magic spells to do that. But yeah, you know, so
[1:41:09] Speaker 3: I think that this is the case.
[1:41:11] Speaker 1: It definitely seems like a very critical time in our
[1:41:15] Speaker 1: human history. And there seems to be this reaction from
[1:41:20] Speaker 1: the parasitic ruling class to the awakening and trying to
[1:41:24] Speaker 1: cause chaos, basically, and throw out lots of bad information,
[1:41:29] Speaker 1: get people full of fear from whatever new disease or
[1:41:33] Speaker 1: sickness or terrorist or war that could be in the future.
[1:41:37] Speaker 1: And it all seems to be ramping up as their
[1:41:41] Speaker 1: final effort to try and keep control over things.
[1:41:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And that's why we've probably got maybe another
[1:41:52] Speaker 3: five years of chaos. But I know that there's a
[1:41:57] Speaker 3: lot of things coming in even next year. So there
[1:42:01] Speaker 3: are humanitarian projects that are going to be starting in
[1:42:04] Speaker 3: the next few years. The money has now been taken
[1:42:09] Speaker 3: off the parasites and it's now being held by the military.
[1:42:14] Speaker 3: This is all white hat intel. And we've got all
[1:42:19] Speaker 3: this off-planet technology just waiting in the wings to come in,
[1:42:22] Speaker 3: you know, med beds. I know med beds are ridiculed
[1:42:25] Speaker 3: by people, but they are actually real. And it's holographic. technology,
[1:42:31] Speaker 3: which essentially heals the body because we live in a
[1:42:34] Speaker 3: holographic universe, I think, or multiverse. And the oceans can
[1:42:41] Speaker 3: be cleaned just like that. The weather, of course, I
[1:42:46] Speaker 3: think the weather has been manipulated for hundreds of years,
[1:42:50] Speaker 3: maybe even, but it's definitely been manipulated for the past
[1:42:53] Speaker 3: 120 years. And that, we can actually manipulate the weather
[1:42:59] Speaker 3: for our own benefit. It's been done negatively, but we
[1:43:02] Speaker 3: can now do it for our own benefit. And it
[1:43:04] Speaker 3: means that we can move out of the cities. We
[1:43:08] Speaker 3: can go to places where we haven't been able to
[1:43:11] Speaker 3: inhabit before. The med beds alone will give us an
[1:43:15] Speaker 3: extra 25 years on our life, but it's looking like
[1:43:19] Speaker 3: our lifespan will double because we always had a longer
[1:43:23] Speaker 3: lifespan anyway. You know, the Bible, the ancient texts, they
[1:43:26] Speaker 3: always talked about how we lived for hundreds and thousands
[1:43:29] Speaker 3: of years. And then this changed. So, and I know
[1:43:35] Speaker 3: Harvard looks at the, it shows that we can easily
[1:43:41] Speaker 3: live 120 years. So I know in the Bible, it
[1:43:44] Speaker 3: says that we were captured 120 years. This may have
[1:43:49] Speaker 3: been done for bad reasons or good reasons, who knows,
[1:43:52] Speaker 3: but we were. So as our DNA is changing, these
[1:43:54] Speaker 3: genetic changes will switch back on again and we'll be
[1:43:57] Speaker 3: able to get a longer lifespan. But even if that
[1:44:00] Speaker 3: isn't the case, the MedBed technology will be able to
[1:44:03] Speaker 3: do that. So there's a lot of off-planet technology waiting
[1:44:07] Speaker 3: to come into the wings, but we have to work
[1:44:11] Speaker 3: on raising the vibration of the collective now so that
[1:44:14] Speaker 3: we can, you know, if you like, embrace this technology
[1:44:19] Speaker 3: because I think that there are still probably people on
[1:44:21] Speaker 3: this planet who will abuse it. And so nothing is
[1:44:25] Speaker 3: going to be given to us until I think we
[1:44:28] Speaker 3: can stop abusing things. But it's not the everyday person
[1:44:32] Speaker 3: who's abusing it. It's the elites, as they call themselves.
[1:44:37] Speaker 3: They're the ones abusing it. So these are the ones
[1:44:39] Speaker 3: who they either have to work on their heart or
[1:44:45] Speaker 3: Or they have to sort of just allow themselves to
[1:44:47] Speaker 3: fall away, if you like. So the more of us
[1:44:51] Speaker 3: that can become heart-led, the more of us that we
[1:44:54] Speaker 3: can work from the heart, raise that vibration, gain that
[1:44:57] Speaker 3: pure intent, which is the pure intent of everything that
[1:45:02] Speaker 3: you're doing in your life is done for the greater good,
[1:45:05] Speaker 3: is done for the collective, is done for not hurting
[1:45:12] Speaker 3: people and helping people. And all of this, you know,
[1:45:15] Speaker 3: and I think, I don't know. I mean, I think
[1:45:18] Speaker 3: there's probably still quite a few people that haven't worked
[1:45:22] Speaker 3: on themselves because I know that something like 85% of
[1:45:25] Speaker 3: people don't do self-development or personal development, which is the
[1:45:28] Speaker 3: same thing as spiritual development. It's all the same thing
[1:45:30] Speaker 3: at the end of the day. So I think that,
[1:45:34] Speaker 3: you know, more of us need to start working on
[1:45:37] Speaker 3: ourselves because self-development, personal development, it's all a consciousness expansion.
[1:45:42] Speaker 3: And consciousness expansion is also raising the vibration as well.
[1:45:47] Speaker 3: It does the same thing. So I think that's what
[1:45:51] Speaker 3: we have to really work on now as a collective
[1:45:54] Speaker 3: and know that we do have all these things just
[1:45:58] Speaker 3: around the corner. But there are these people on the
[1:46:01] Speaker 3: planet who are making a mess and causing chaos. And
[1:46:08] Speaker 3: I think also we need to stand up to them
[1:46:09] Speaker 3: and say, no, we need to stop playing their games.
[1:46:12] Speaker 3: We really need to, whatever that may be, stop voting,
[1:46:16] Speaker 3: stop being in the military and fighting their wars for them.
[1:46:21] Speaker 3: Stop going to work, whatever it may be. I think
[1:46:25] Speaker 3: we need to break these systems that have been controlling
[1:46:28] Speaker 3: us for such a long time. I mean, I'm not
[1:46:30] Speaker 3: an anarchist, but I do think that we need to
[1:46:34] Speaker 3: do something.
[1:46:35] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, our systems are currently built from a foundation
[1:46:40] Speaker 1: of anti-human ideologies. So none of this is to benefit us.
[1:46:46] Speaker 1: None of these current education, medical systems, all of these
[1:46:51] Speaker 1: major institutions that we are under their thumb, it never
[1:46:55] Speaker 1: benefits humanity in any way. But I want to go
[1:46:58] Speaker 1: back to the white hat aspect for a minute myself
[1:47:03] Speaker 1: and many others that i associate with are skeptical about
[1:47:09] Speaker 1: the white hat possibility just because we've been promised a
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: lot of things over the years that really never came
[1:47:15] Speaker 1: through now i do see many wonderful things happening i
[1:47:19] Speaker 1: see a great awakening in people's consciousness and in individual
[1:47:24] Speaker 1: people's lives. We're doing wonderful things. We're starting our own systems.
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: We're starting to build things from the ground up. But
[1:47:32] Speaker 1: as far as organized levels of our military or government
[1:47:39] Speaker 1: that do have humanity's best interests in mind, I'm a
[1:47:42] Speaker 1: little skeptical about, but I'd love to hear where you're
[1:47:46] Speaker 1: sourcing this information and what makes you think that there
[1:47:49] Speaker 1: are indeed white hats.
[1:47:54] Speaker 3: Well, yes. Well, I mean, I'm sourcing it from a
[1:47:58] Speaker 3: variety of different places, but I think you have to
[1:48:02] Speaker 3: feel into your own heart and feel what resonates with you.
[1:48:06] Speaker 3: And I agree with you that it doesn't look like
[1:48:09] Speaker 3: the White Hats are doing anything, but I sort of
[1:48:12] Speaker 3: feel like there's been a lot of problems in our
[1:48:17] Speaker 3: world for a very long time And when you look
[1:48:21] Speaker 3: at the level of where it's been with the child trafficking, paedophilia,
[1:48:28] Speaker 3: all this sort of thing, I think these are sort
[1:48:31] Speaker 3: of accepted areas of our world. I mean, it's an
[1:48:35] Speaker 3: uncomfortable truth that not many people want to really look at.
[1:48:38] Speaker 3: But I think that this has been a part of
[1:48:41] Speaker 3: our world for a very long time. And I think
[1:48:44] Speaker 3: maybe that takes a long time to undo all of that.
[1:48:49] Speaker 3: I know Stephen Greer says that this sort of awakening
[1:48:52] Speaker 3: will probably take two, 300 years, because I think that's
[1:48:56] Speaker 3: where sort of the golden age fits into that with
[1:48:58] Speaker 3: the transition time. But then there are other people say
[1:49:01] Speaker 3: it's going to be a lot quicker than that. I
[1:49:03] Speaker 3: think if we had a black swan event of some sort,
[1:49:06] Speaker 3: it would be quick. But I'm not too sure that
[1:49:09] Speaker 3: we will have that because I'm not too sure that
[1:49:12] Speaker 3: anything is going to be done for us. I think
[1:49:15] Speaker 3: that we, you know, it's a bit like the universe.
[1:49:17] Speaker 3: You meet the universe halfway, you know, and you, you, you,
[1:49:20] Speaker 3: you manifest or, you know, get whatever it is you want.
[1:49:24] Speaker 3: And I think it's the same for us. I think
[1:49:26] Speaker 3: that maybe more of us need to awaken that more
[1:49:30] Speaker 3: of us, you know, sort of need to be, you know,
[1:49:32] Speaker 3: actively helping and working and participating in and actually changing
[1:49:37] Speaker 3: this world together. And I know that we've got sort
[1:49:44] Speaker 3: of energetic waves, high vibrational energetic waves coming in all
[1:49:48] Speaker 3: the time. And I really do feel this. I feel
[1:49:51] Speaker 3: that just now compared to last month feels higher vibrational
[1:49:55] Speaker 3: to me. The energy does, it feels better every single day,
[1:49:59] Speaker 3: whether that's just me or whether that's people around me.
[1:50:02] Speaker 3: But when I talk to other people, they always say, yes,
[1:50:05] Speaker 3: they feel there's a nice energy as well. It does
[1:50:09] Speaker 3: feel like something bad has lifted off the planet to me. But, um,
[1:50:14] Speaker 3: you know, in terms of, uh, the white hats and
[1:50:16] Speaker 3: the galactic federation and these sorts of things, um, yeah,
[1:50:21] Speaker 3: I mean, I do think that, you know, that, that
[1:50:26] Speaker 3: we are getting some help, but in, in what context
[1:50:29] Speaker 3: that help is and how much help we're getting is,
[1:50:33] Speaker 3: I don't know, because it's not sort of right in
[1:50:36] Speaker 3: our face. It's not something that we can say, that's
[1:50:39] Speaker 3: happening and that's happening. I'm in an organization called Connecting Consciousness,
[1:50:46] Speaker 3: and that's run by an ex-UK politician. He has links
[1:50:53] Speaker 3: to MI5, MI6 through his family. He gets a lot
[1:50:59] Speaker 3: of intel from that. According to him, he's working with
[1:51:03] Speaker 3: the White Hats. He's part of a White Dragon Society.
[1:51:07] Speaker 3: The White Dragon Society was set up. They were all asked.
[1:51:13] Speaker 3: I think there was something like 12 different groups were
[1:51:18] Speaker 3: all asked to work together to create this White Dragon Society,
[1:51:22] Speaker 3: which was a benevolent society that was going to be
[1:51:25] Speaker 3: working with off-planet races in order to be on the ground,
[1:51:30] Speaker 3: if you like, the boots on the ground, doing a
[1:51:32] Speaker 3: lot of the things here. I feel that things like
[1:51:38] Speaker 3: this could actually be true. They know that it could
[1:51:42] Speaker 3: actually be the case. I think that there's enough evidence
[1:51:47] Speaker 3: in our ancient texts and Bible and religious texts to
[1:51:51] Speaker 3: show that our planet has been inhabited by extraterrestrials since
[1:51:57] Speaker 3: the time began, you know, so if they've been on
[1:52:01] Speaker 3: this planet and they they've been visiting this planet for
[1:52:04] Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of years, I think they possibly only
[1:52:07] Speaker 3: stopped a few hundred years ago. And I think that's
[1:52:09] Speaker 3: because they're, you know, the, if you like the sort of,
[1:52:14] Speaker 3: you know, the, the, the parasitic elites took over and
[1:52:17] Speaker 3: they haven't been able to get in, get into help
[1:52:20] Speaker 3: if you like. So, you know, we had the star
[1:52:23] Speaker 3: seeds that, you know, that incarnate to a physical body
[1:52:25] Speaker 3: to help from within. I think that's probably what's happening
[1:52:29] Speaker 3: is that the disclosure, the truth-seeking, the raising of the
[1:52:35] Speaker 3: vibration of the planet, it's all coming from within. It's
[1:52:39] Speaker 3: not that we're getting external help in that sense. It's
[1:52:43] Speaker 3: that we're getting help from within so that we're helping
[1:52:47] Speaker 3: to raise our own vibration from within because I do
[1:52:50] Speaker 3: think that we have to do this ourselves. This is
[1:52:54] Speaker 3: our planet and and we can be given a certain
[1:52:56] Speaker 3: amount of help. But I think that if it's done
[1:53:00] Speaker 3: for us, then we're not going to snap out of
[1:53:03] Speaker 3: this God thing that we have going on. You know,
[1:53:06] Speaker 3: we're such worshipers, you know, we're always worshiping someone. If
[1:53:10] Speaker 3: it's not God, it's a celebrity or a sporting hero,
[1:53:13] Speaker 3: you know, or a musician, you know, we're always worshiping someone.
[1:53:17] Speaker 3: So we're always, always giving our power away to something
[1:53:20] Speaker 3: outside of ourselves. So I think if we sort of
[1:53:23] Speaker 3: get this help, you know, people just sort of coming
[1:53:25] Speaker 3: down and helping us, again, like so many, you know,
[1:53:29] Speaker 3: all the indigenous tribes in the past, they've all then
[1:53:32] Speaker 3: made these people gods. And, you know, we also don't
[1:53:38] Speaker 3: quite know how to take responsibility for ourselves because if
[1:53:41] Speaker 3: you like, we've been herded in so many different directions
[1:53:44] Speaker 3: that we don't really have that sort of empowered sovereign power.
[1:53:49] Speaker 3: you know, sort of thing going on. And I think
[1:53:51] Speaker 3: these are possibly things that as a collective, we need
[1:53:54] Speaker 3: to learn. And if everything's done for us, we're not
[1:53:57] Speaker 3: going to learn these things. So that's sort of my,
[1:54:00] Speaker 3: you know, my gut feeling about this, but I do
[1:54:02] Speaker 3: think that we're getting help. I do just, just thinking
[1:54:06] Speaker 3: about wave genetics, you know, that we're in a, we
[1:54:09] Speaker 3: live in a telepathic universe and telepathically all these sort of,
[1:54:14] Speaker 3: you know, thoughts and voices and things, you know, I mean,
[1:54:18] Speaker 3: how many people, you know, sort of speak to spirit
[1:54:21] Speaker 3: guides and channel and stuff like this, all this information
[1:54:24] Speaker 3: coming in.
[1:54:25] Speaker 1: I mentioned this quite often. I'll have a profound thought
[1:54:28] Speaker 1: or idea, a new awareness, and I'll be excited to
[1:54:33] Speaker 1: share it on my show with my audience, but I'll
[1:54:36] Speaker 1: wake up the next morning and it seems like everybody
[1:54:38] Speaker 1: else already has this understanding. It's already come out somehow
[1:54:41] Speaker 1: and it's permeated through the consciousness. So I definitely believe
[1:54:45] Speaker 1: that we are becoming more connected and there is this
[1:54:50] Speaker 1: information field that is starting to flow a little easier. Now,
[1:54:55] Speaker 1: that being said, let's talk a little bit about our
[1:54:57] Speaker 1: consciousness abilities that have been dormant for a long time
[1:55:02] Speaker 1: that we have not been utilizing that now would be
[1:55:05] Speaker 1: a good time to start getting into and practicing some
[1:55:09] Speaker 1: of our consciousness abilities again, and you talk about the
[1:55:13] Speaker 1: science behind manifestation and how that relates to the holographic universe.
[1:55:19] Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about your understanding of manifestation and
[1:55:24] Speaker 1: how we can basically create our reality through our awareness, perception,
[1:55:31] Speaker 1: and imagination.
[1:55:34] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we already are. That's the thing,
[1:55:37] Speaker 3: you see. We already are. We are creator beings, just
[1:55:40] Speaker 3: like every being in the universe, I think. And essentially,
[1:55:43] Speaker 3: because we live in a holographic universe, we're all creating
[1:55:48] Speaker 3: our reality all the time. It's just that the reality
[1:55:51] Speaker 3: that we've been creating isn't the one that we want.
[1:55:54] Speaker 3: And the parasitic elites know that we're all manifesting our reality.
[1:56:01] Speaker 3: So they've been hyphen in a sort of, um, siphoning
[1:56:05] Speaker 3: off and hijacking the energy and directing it to them
[1:56:10] Speaker 3: and pulling it away from us. So I think one
[1:56:12] Speaker 3: of the most important things is to understand, first of all,
[1:56:16] Speaker 3: how much power we have, you know, we really are
[1:56:19] Speaker 3: already creating our own reality, but we're, sorry, we're creating realities. Um,
[1:56:27] Speaker 3: what we're sort of doing is creating realities based on
[1:56:30] Speaker 3: our limiting beliefs. and our belief structures. And these belief structures,
[1:56:34] Speaker 3: they originate from programming, conditioning, trauma, abuse, you know, ancestral
[1:56:41] Speaker 3: trauma and abuse, which, you know, the field of epigenetics
[1:56:45] Speaker 3: shows us that trauma is passed down in our DNA.
[1:56:49] Speaker 3: So that's another thing that people can be doing now
[1:56:51] Speaker 3: is working on their ancestral healing, you know, releasing all
[1:56:56] Speaker 3: the trauma which has been passed down from generations, 40,
[1:57:01] Speaker 3: 100 generations back, and just releasing, just letting it go.
[1:57:05] Speaker 3: Because another thing is that we live in a free
[1:57:08] Speaker 3: will world. And again, it can't be done for us.
[1:57:13] Speaker 3: We have to do it ourselves. So we can ask
[1:57:16] Speaker 3: one of our guides, can you heal this for me?
[1:57:19] Speaker 3: And then listen to the answer. We can go to
[1:57:22] Speaker 3: ancestral healings. And there's a very nice lady in the
[1:57:27] Speaker 3: US called Sue Cimino. And she does these ancestral healings
[1:57:32] Speaker 3: for free. Every week she's doing one. And she just
[1:57:36] Speaker 3: has a huge amount of people coming and she's just
[1:57:39] Speaker 3: clearing all this ancestral trauma, the ancestral sort of collective
[1:57:44] Speaker 3: beliefs that we've inherited when we incarnated onto this planet.
[1:57:49] Speaker 3: So there's a lot of things that people can do.
[1:57:51] Speaker 3: So we understand now that sound creates everything. So the
[1:57:55] Speaker 3: field of cymatics has proven to us that sound creates
[1:58:00] Speaker 3: physical matter. So if you like, you know, like the
[1:58:04] Speaker 3: um the the sound the frequency is creating sort of
[1:58:09] Speaker 3: these like sacred geometric shapes and we already know that
[1:58:14] Speaker 3: the universe you know the world is made up of
[1:58:17] Speaker 3: geometric shapes you know we've got the the golden ratio
[1:58:23] Speaker 3: we've got the fractals everything is a fractal you know
[1:58:27] Speaker 3: we've got um the um different geometric shapes, the flower
[1:58:33] Speaker 3: of life. Tesla, Newton, Isaac Newton, they all believed that
[1:58:40] Speaker 3: the flower of life was everything. It was everything. In
[1:58:46] Speaker 3: my research that I've been doing, I'm beginning to feel
[1:58:49] Speaker 3: that the flower of life is the universe and the
[1:58:54] Speaker 3: different pockets that you see within it are the pockets
[1:58:57] Speaker 3: of dimensions. We already know that space is not linear,
[1:59:03] Speaker 3: it's curved. And if we think about the flower of
[1:59:08] Speaker 3: life and how it's fitted together, we can see that
[1:59:16] Speaker 3: this makes more sense. We can also see that as
[1:59:19] Speaker 3: our blood cells start to double, double, double, double, it
[1:59:23] Speaker 3: begins to look like the flower of life. So you
[1:59:26] Speaker 3: can just see these things, these different geometric shapes everywhere.
[1:59:31] Speaker 3: So then sound is creating that and sound is frequency.
[1:59:36] Speaker 3: So frequency is everything. It's being created, if you like,
[1:59:40] Speaker 3: by consciousness or whatever. But essentially, if we see that
[1:59:47] Speaker 3: the holographic universe is what we see has been created
[1:59:52] Speaker 3: by our own thoughts, words, feelings, emotions. then we can
[1:59:57] Speaker 3: uncreate it, you know, and we can create a better
[2:00:01] Speaker 3: reality for ourself. And one of the other things that
[2:00:05] Speaker 3: I would say in terms of abilities is to start
[2:00:09] Speaker 3: connecting back to your multidimensional self, you know, so start
[2:00:13] Speaker 3: to access your clairvoyance, start to switch on your clairaudience,
[2:00:18] Speaker 3: you know, start to get that knowing, that sense of knowing,
[2:00:22] Speaker 3: start to feel that and that sort of that sentient feeling,
[2:00:27] Speaker 3: because this is the multidimensional self. And when you start
[2:00:31] Speaker 3: to just access your senses beyond the physical five senses,
[2:00:39] Speaker 3: then you're starting to access the subtle energy that's around you.
[2:00:42] Speaker 3: And the more you do that, the more consciousness will
[2:00:46] Speaker 3: upgrade your body. So every time we get one of
[2:00:49] Speaker 3: those aha moments, every time we learn something new, every
[2:00:52] Speaker 3: time we meditate, or sort of practice our intuitive skills,
[2:00:57] Speaker 3: if you like, our brain changes, our DNA changes, and
[2:01:03] Speaker 3: then consciousness is able to work with our DNA in
[2:01:07] Speaker 3: a better way. And it literally upgrades us. We become
[2:01:10] Speaker 3: a new person. We become a different vibration. And the
[2:01:16] Speaker 3: more we do that, the more we're upgrading ourself continually up, up, up, up,
[2:01:21] Speaker 3: which is also expanding our consciousness, raising our vibration. So
[2:01:26] Speaker 3: it's just working on these abilities that we all have.
[2:01:30] Speaker 3: But again, we just switched them all off when we
[2:01:33] Speaker 3: were kids.
[2:01:33] Speaker 1: Now, when you say upgrading, I've had plenty of researchers
[2:01:37] Speaker 1: come on and talk about how it's possible that we
[2:01:41] Speaker 1: are evolving from carbon-based life forms to crystalline. Does that
[2:01:46] Speaker 1: mean anything to you?
[2:01:49] Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's moving into homo luminous. We're moving into
[2:01:52] Speaker 3: the light body, which is, you know, most likely the
[2:01:57] Speaker 3: next stage for humans. I mean, we are light bodies anyway.
[2:02:01] Speaker 3: Even Einstein said that we're beings of light. And you
[2:02:04] Speaker 3: can see, you know, just looking at us under the x-ray,
[2:02:07] Speaker 3: you know, you can see that, you know, we are
[2:02:09] Speaker 3: light bodies. So, yeah, I understand where they're going with that.
[2:02:18] Speaker 3: But I would say that we already are light. And so,
[2:02:21] Speaker 3: maybe it's realizing that we are light. And if you
[2:02:26] Speaker 3: think about energy and matter, matter is heavier, energy is lighter. So,
[2:02:33] Speaker 3: as we become more energy- So, you know, we're releasing,
[2:02:37] Speaker 3: if you like, the physical traumas, you know, which creates
[2:02:40] Speaker 3: like a sort of trapped energy in our body. We're
[2:02:43] Speaker 3: releasing all of this sort of physical flesh, if you like,
[2:02:48] Speaker 3: you know, we're just releasing sort of all the low
[2:02:51] Speaker 3: vibrational thinking, the low vibrational feeling. We're releasing all of that.
[2:02:56] Speaker 3: We're becoming more energy. And as we become more energy,
[2:03:01] Speaker 3: we step into that light body, into the crystalline body.
[2:03:06] Speaker 3: And again, that's ascension. It's all the same thing. Ascension,
[2:03:09] Speaker 3: golden age, consciousness expansion, 5D, it's all the same thing.
[2:03:14] Speaker 3: And it's where we've been heading for a very long time.
[2:03:17] Speaker 3: But I think that we were stopped somewhere along the line,
[2:03:20] Speaker 3: but now we're back in again and we're heading back
[2:03:23] Speaker 3: into that, into that crystalline body. And we, you know,
[2:03:27] Speaker 3: eventually we won't have to eat. you know, you won't
[2:03:32] Speaker 3: have to do any of that. And actually there in the,
[2:03:35] Speaker 3: the empire of Tartaria, there were, um, breatharians and these
[2:03:41] Speaker 3: were people who didn't eat. And these were indigenous tribes
[2:03:46] Speaker 3: as well. The indigenous tribes, there are still many indigenous
[2:03:48] Speaker 3: tribes around today that don't eat and they're able to
[2:03:52] Speaker 3: work with the, the energy, you know, prana, the energy
[2:03:57] Speaker 3: of the ether and, um, And with the sun as well,
[2:04:02] Speaker 3: which is a huge life giving force and they're able
[2:04:06] Speaker 3: to sustain their bodies in that way. So we can
[2:04:09] Speaker 3: see that already people doing it on this planet, you know,
[2:04:11] Speaker 3: so we will be able to get to that point
[2:04:13] Speaker 3: as well. And, um, and eventually I think all civilizations,
[2:04:19] Speaker 3: I think that they've all been through this, this process.
[2:04:22] Speaker 3: And I think eventually you just end up as pure
[2:04:25] Speaker 3: energy and, you know, eventually you integrate back in into source.
[2:04:30] Speaker 1: For the last few minutes we have, I mentioned earlier
[2:04:34] Speaker 1: the possibility that we've been reset multiple times as a species,
[2:04:39] Speaker 1: that there might have been multiple cataclysms throughout our history
[2:04:43] Speaker 1: that has wiped out civilizations to a point to where
[2:04:47] Speaker 1: we have no collective memory of how advanced we once were.
[2:04:52] Speaker 1: There's many that speculate we may be headed towards another
[2:04:56] Speaker 1: one of those cataclysmic eras or resets. I'd like to
[2:05:00] Speaker 1: get your thoughts on if that's possible.
[2:05:04] Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean, the Great Reset supposedly happens every
[2:05:09] Speaker 3: 250 years. The last one was 1776. And that's when
[2:05:13] Speaker 3: the Empire of Tartaria, which took over 90% of the
[2:05:17] Speaker 3: Northern Hemisphere, it was so huge, was wiped out. And
[2:05:21] Speaker 3: possibly wiped out using energy weapons, actually, because you look
[2:05:25] Speaker 3: at the... know, the, just the huge mud floods and
[2:05:29] Speaker 3: things that occurred from that. So we are due to
[2:05:33] Speaker 3: have another reset in 2030 or about 2026. So there
[2:05:38] Speaker 3: are many people that say that, you know, that yes,
[2:05:40] Speaker 3: this is the great reset coming. You know, you look
[2:05:43] Speaker 3: at the world economic forum, they actually, they call it
[2:05:45] Speaker 3: the great reset, you know, and they call it the
[2:05:48] Speaker 3: new world order. And they keep trying to create this
[2:05:52] Speaker 3: new world order with all these resets that they do.
[2:05:56] Speaker 3: But this is just in the past sort of, you know,
[2:06:00] Speaker 3: say a few thousand years. I think a thousand years
[2:06:03] Speaker 3: has been added on to our calendar by the church,
[2:06:08] Speaker 3: the Vatican, at least 800 years, if not a thousand.
[2:06:12] Speaker 3: So we're already a thousand years behind. But, you know,
[2:06:18] Speaker 3: you look back. you look at what has actually occurred
[2:06:22] Speaker 3: with these great resets and you realize how much our
[2:06:25] Speaker 3: history has been altered already, which really makes you understand
[2:06:29] Speaker 3: that what we see in our history books cannot be trusted.
[2:06:35] Speaker 3: And it just makes you look at the world in
[2:06:38] Speaker 3: such a different way. So in terms of the white
[2:06:43] Speaker 3: pad of civilization, which I think you're referring to, the
[2:06:46] Speaker 3: different indigenous tribes talk about how, how we keep being
[2:06:49] Speaker 3: wiped out because we keep falling, falling into matter, you know,
[2:06:55] Speaker 3: falling into, um, low vibrations, falling into, um, uh, what's
[2:07:01] Speaker 3: the word? Yeah, exactly. So we kept doing that. That's
[2:07:07] Speaker 3: why Atlantis went, um, because we kept, you know, sort
[2:07:11] Speaker 3: of just being wiped out because we kept falling. And
[2:07:16] Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, yes, we could have been
[2:07:19] Speaker 3: falling into debauchery, but I suspect it's the same parasites
[2:07:25] Speaker 3: that keep doing it. And they're sort of pulling mankind
[2:07:29] Speaker 3: down with them, if you like. And maybe, you know,
[2:07:31] Speaker 3: the interdimensional beings that the demons that is talked about
[2:07:36] Speaker 3: in literally every single culture around the world talks about
[2:07:39] Speaker 3: these interdimensional demons. And, um, So yeah, maybe it's that,
[2:07:46] Speaker 3: that we just keep sort of falling into temptation by
[2:07:49] Speaker 3: these demons and we just keep sort of for more power,
[2:07:52] Speaker 3: we sell our soul for more power, which you can
[2:07:55] Speaker 3: see just in Hollywood alone that that's already been done.
[2:07:58] Speaker 3: But you know, in terms of whether it's the great
[2:08:01] Speaker 3: reset every 250 years or whether it's the civilization falling,
[2:08:04] Speaker 3: which the Mayans, um, you know, the, the Hopi Indians,
[2:08:08] Speaker 3: they say that we're on our fourth, fifth world, I
[2:08:10] Speaker 3: think maybe even as much as seventh world, but these
[2:08:14] Speaker 3: worlds went for a much, much, much longer. I mean, the,
[2:08:17] Speaker 3: you know, we're talking like, um, tens of thousands, hundreds
[2:08:21] Speaker 3: of thousands of years in between these periods where we fell.
[2:08:25] Speaker 3: So if Dr. Stephen Greer is right, we are promised 500,000
[2:08:30] Speaker 3: years of peace. That is what we've been promised. And
[2:08:34] Speaker 3: that is what is coming. Then it means that all
[2:08:37] Speaker 3: these other things are not going to happen. So is
[2:08:42] Speaker 3: the Great Reset going to happen 2030? Well, This we
[2:08:45] Speaker 3: don't know, you know, and I'm not going to sit
[2:08:48] Speaker 3: around and rest on my laurels, if you like. I'm still,
[2:08:52] Speaker 3: as you probably are and everyone else, I'm still looking around.
[2:08:55] Speaker 3: I'm still, you know, making sure that we're on track,
[2:08:59] Speaker 3: you know, feeling into my heart, understanding more about the
[2:09:03] Speaker 3: energies and always questioning and asking myself, Have I, do
[2:09:09] Speaker 3: I see evidence of things shifting to the better yet?
[2:09:12] Speaker 3: I haven't at the moment. So for the moment, you know,
[2:09:14] Speaker 3: I'm still saying the same thing, you know, out there
[2:09:17] Speaker 3: doing the same thing and helping people to raise their
[2:09:21] Speaker 3: own vibration, their own internal vibration. But I do feel
[2:09:26] Speaker 3: that it will be okay. I do feel that, but
[2:09:29] Speaker 3: I do know that we have to put the work in.
[2:09:31] Speaker 3: It's not going to be done for us and we
[2:09:34] Speaker 3: have to put the work in. We have to prove
[2:09:35] Speaker 3: and show. that we can put the work in and
[2:09:38] Speaker 3: do it.
[2:09:39] Speaker 1: 100%. Elizabeth, thank you so much. This was fantastic. I'd
[2:09:43] Speaker 1: definitely love to have you back on in the future.
[2:09:45] Speaker 1: Much more we can get into. Before you go, let
[2:09:48] Speaker 1: the audience know how they can find out more about you, website,
[2:09:52] Speaker 1: all your links.
[2:09:55] Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. So my website is elizabethhancock.com and that's Elizabeth
[2:09:59] Speaker 3: with an S, not a Zed. And I'm on YouTube
[2:10:04] Speaker 3: at Elizabeth Hancock as well. I have a podcast called
[2:10:07] Speaker 3: The Great Awakening Podcast. And I'm also on social media
[2:10:13] Speaker 3: at Elizabeth Hancock Author on Instagram and Facebook as well.
[2:10:17] Speaker 1: Excellent. Elizabeth, thank you so much. Like I said, we'll
[2:10:20] Speaker 1: definitely be doing this again. And until next time, everyone,
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