# FKN Classics Double Feature! Al Santariga - American Cryptids | Rob Rene - Medical Hexing

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 12 Sep 2026, 2 h 20 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Today I
[0:07] Speaker 1: want to welcome Al Santariga. He has over 50 years
[0:11] Speaker 1: experience in all aspects of the paranormal. He is a sensitive, intuitive,
[0:16] Speaker 1: and all declares, as well as an investigator, experiencer, researcher,
[0:23] Speaker 1: and cryptozoologist. He is founder of several paranormal societies. as
[0:29] Speaker 1: well as he is an ex-podcaster and MUFON member. Al, welcome.
[0:35] Speaker 1: How you doing?
[0:37] Speaker 2: I'm doing fine, Chris. How you doing? Thank you for
[0:40] Speaker 2: inviting me on.
[0:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for coming on. I can't complain. I
[0:43] Speaker 1: can't complain. This is going to be fun. You've had
[0:46] Speaker 1: a lifetime of paranormal experiences, from psychic and intuitive awareness
[0:53] Speaker 1: to UFOs and crypto-terrestrials. You're also a paranormal investigator that
[0:59] Speaker 1: has an understanding based off of personal experiences. So we'll
[1:05] Speaker 1: probably jump into a few different paranormal rabbit holes today.
[1:09] Speaker 1: But before we do, this is your first time on.
[1:11] Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit more about yourself, your background,
[1:14] Speaker 1: and how everything started for you.
[1:17] Speaker 2: Okay. My mom was a psychic. Um, my brother, it
[1:23] Speaker 2: was like one of the first parapsychologists in the United
[1:26] Speaker 2: States worked with Han Holzer's right-hand man for years. And,
[1:30] Speaker 2: and his, uh, psychic, uh, Ethel, I think her name was, um,
[1:34] Speaker 2: my aunt was a white witch. My cousin was a
[1:37] Speaker 2: white witch. I had a cousin who was a black witch. Um,
[1:41] Speaker 2: so the paranormal just kind of runs in my family.
[1:44] Speaker 2: What I thought was normal growing up. My friends said
[1:47] Speaker 2: it wasn't quite normal to them, you know, but, um,
[1:50] Speaker 2: To me and my family and my cousins and everybody,
[1:53] Speaker 2: it was normal to sleep over at cousin's house and
[1:57] Speaker 2: have my uncles and my aunts doing seances and stuff
[2:01] Speaker 2: like that in the dining room and stuff. When we
[2:04] Speaker 2: were younger, we'd sneak out and down the hall and
[2:07] Speaker 2: hide in the shadows, watching them and stuff like that.
[2:10] Speaker 2: And just always into when I was in school, every
[2:16] Speaker 2: Friday we'd have to go and get a book out
[2:19] Speaker 2: of the library. It was always... Ghost, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster,
[2:24] Speaker 2: stuff like that. I couldn't get enough of that stuff
[2:27] Speaker 2: growing up. It's just always been intuitive. I call it
[2:33] Speaker 2: gut feelings. I always had gut feelings all my life.
[2:36] Speaker 2: I always knew when something was about to go south
[2:38] Speaker 2: somewhere and was able to get out of dodge before
[2:43] Speaker 2: anything bad happened. Working in the paranormal and and all
[2:49] Speaker 2: the fields that I do between ufology, cryptozoology, and the
[2:55] Speaker 2: ghost investigation and stuff like that, you get sensitive to
[3:00] Speaker 2: energies over the years. The more you do it, the
[3:02] Speaker 2: more sensitive you get to different kinds of energies, and
[3:06] Speaker 2: you start feeling different energies differently. Some energies affect me.
[3:12] Speaker 2: I'll get a pressure in my forehead or temples. Some
[3:15] Speaker 2: will give me a metallic taste in my mouth. Some
[3:18] Speaker 2: will make my fingertips tingle, you know, just stuff like that.
[3:22] Speaker 2: I get a little voice in the back of my head.
[3:24] Speaker 2: It'll tell me, you know, go left, don't go right,
[3:27] Speaker 2: stuff like that. You know what I mean? So, you know,
[3:30] Speaker 2: it's just the longer you do it, the more sensitive
[3:34] Speaker 2: you get to it. Not that I claim to be
[3:36] Speaker 2: psychic by any stretch of the imagination, but I just
[3:40] Speaker 2: do things that are considered psychic abilities and But I
[3:45] Speaker 2: don't have the ability to just do it at will.
[3:48] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's got to come naturally
[3:51] Speaker 2: to me. I was on an investigation with John Zaffis
[3:54] Speaker 2: not too long ago. And we were down in the
[3:57] Speaker 2: basement of this really old 1700 building. And I felt
[4:01] Speaker 2: like I was on a boat and I was rocking,
[4:04] Speaker 2: you know, and it was weird. And nobody else was
[4:06] Speaker 2: feeling it until... The other team psychic came down and
[4:10] Speaker 2: she was like, do you guys feel like it's like
[4:12] Speaker 2: we're on a boat? And I was like, yeah, I
[4:14] Speaker 2: felt that. And then at one point, I like to
[4:19] Speaker 2: go away from the crowd. When everybody's in one room,
[4:21] Speaker 2: I like to go somewhere else. And at one point,
[4:24] Speaker 2: everybody had left the basement. The basement was like really
[4:26] Speaker 2: the highest activity part of the house. And I was
[4:29] Speaker 2: sitting down there. And again, I don't know why I
[4:32] Speaker 2: do this, but something in my head said, touch the foundation.
[4:36] Speaker 2: It was rock. It was old foundation. rock foundation and
[4:39] Speaker 2: then the voice again said touch the door which was
[4:43] Speaker 2: like four inches thick old door and i was just
[4:46] Speaker 2: touching the door and touching the foundation and i got
[4:49] Speaker 2: the image of the underground railroad in my head you
[4:52] Speaker 2: know and at that point everybody was upstairs in the
[4:56] Speaker 2: living room you know sharing notes because there was like
[4:58] Speaker 2: three different teams there including john zaffis and everybody was
[5:02] Speaker 2: sharing notes and i went upstairs and i asked a
[5:05] Speaker 2: historian on one of the teams any history about this
[5:08] Speaker 2: building being used in the Underground Railroad? And she said, no,
[5:12] Speaker 2: you know, a couple of buildings in the area, yes,
[5:14] Speaker 2: but not this one. And the team psychic turned to
[5:17] Speaker 2: me and said, why did you ask that? And I
[5:19] Speaker 2: was like, and I told her what I did downstairs.
[5:21] Speaker 2: And she said, I felt the same thing you felt downstairs, Al.
[5:25] Speaker 2: I felt the ocean. She goes, and when you weren't
[5:29] Speaker 2: down there, I did the same thing you did. I
[5:31] Speaker 2: touched the stone wall, you know, the stone tape, you know, theory,
[5:34] Speaker 2: you know, and I touched the door. And I seen
[5:36] Speaker 2: the same exact thing you did. So I don't know
[5:38] Speaker 2: if we're both seeing images from buildings across the street
[5:42] Speaker 2: or if this building was actually used as an underground railroad.
[5:45] Speaker 2: But it was just funny how we were sharing notes
[5:48] Speaker 2: and everything was like coinciding with what their team psychic
[5:53] Speaker 2: was doing and what I was picking up was just
[5:55] Speaker 2: pretty interesting, you know?
[5:57] Speaker 1: So imagine from an early age, After you were aware
[6:01] Speaker 1: that you had some of these abilities, you had the
[6:03] Speaker 1: sort of family that would help nurture these abilities instead
[6:08] Speaker 1: of tell you that you're crazy or something like that, right?
[6:11] Speaker 2: Well, I come from a very big Italian family, and
[6:15] Speaker 2: the way my family shows love is by breaking your balls, okay?
[6:20] Speaker 2: And the more they break your balls, it means the
[6:23] Speaker 2: more they love you. My brother got his balls broken endlessly, endlessly.
[6:29] Speaker 2: Now my brother graduated college with a, you know, master's
[6:32] Speaker 2: degree in finance. So he was a money guy, you know,
[6:36] Speaker 2: but he also got his, he flew out to California
[6:39] Speaker 2: to get his parapsychology degree when it first came out,
[6:42] Speaker 2: you know, when it first got here from, uh, the UK,
[6:45] Speaker 2: I believe it came from. And, uh, When he got
[6:48] Speaker 2: back from California, my uncles and my cousins were like, yeah,
[6:51] Speaker 2: you're going to make a lot of money with that degree.
[6:54] Speaker 2: Good thing you went to school for that, you know.
[6:56] Speaker 2: And they just rode him endlessly, you know. But he
[7:00] Speaker 2: just took it with a grain of salt and he
[7:02] Speaker 2: left and just did what he did, you know. And
[7:04] Speaker 2: like I said, I've got a lot of family members
[7:08] Speaker 2: that are psychic. They have psychic ability, especially the one
[7:12] Speaker 2: that runs in the line with my aunt, the White Witch.
[7:16] Speaker 2: her daughter and her daughter's daughter are all have psychic ability,
[7:21] Speaker 2: but they're basically petrified to use any of it. They
[7:25] Speaker 2: don't want nothing to do with it. You know, I
[7:26] Speaker 2: got one cousin, no matter where she lives, her house
[7:30] Speaker 2: just goes crazy, you know, and no matter how many
[7:33] Speaker 2: times they go down there and cleanse it and seal
[7:35] Speaker 2: it and everything, it's just her ability that, you know,
[7:38] Speaker 2: eventually that seal wears down. And once that wears down,
[7:43] Speaker 2: You know, everything just comes to her because she's a beacon,
[7:46] Speaker 2: you know. And she just constantly has stuff going on
[7:50] Speaker 2: in her house. And I keep telling her, listen, you
[7:53] Speaker 2: can't outrun this stuff, man. You have to. If you
[7:56] Speaker 2: want to live with this stuff, you have to. And
[7:58] Speaker 2: you don't want to associate with it because she gets
[8:01] Speaker 2: some crazy stuff on her security camera in the house
[8:05] Speaker 2: and outside the house, you know. And I told her,
[8:08] Speaker 2: if you really want to. Once I seal it and
[8:11] Speaker 2: we seal the property, you have to stay on top
[8:14] Speaker 2: of that like once a month to keep that. Because
[8:16] Speaker 2: these things see your light, your beacon. They're going to
[8:20] Speaker 2: try to get in. They're going to constantly be trying
[8:22] Speaker 2: to get in. And as soon as that seal fades, boom,
[8:26] Speaker 2: your house is going to get infested again. And she
[8:29] Speaker 2: just moved for the third time, you know. So I
[8:32] Speaker 2: was just at her new house today, you know, doing
[8:35] Speaker 2: some cleansing and sealing before she even moves in, you know.
[8:39] Speaker 2: yeah but uh yeah it's crazy yeah well.
[8:42] Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the most profound experiences for
[8:46] Speaker 1: you either growing up or more recent something that really
[8:50] Speaker 1: sticks out for you either in the paranormal or crypto
[8:54] Speaker 1: terrestrial realms.
[8:58] Speaker 2: Oh i mean you know where do i start you
[9:00] Speaker 2: know what i mean um I've seen the thing that
[9:04] Speaker 2: I call the Green Goblin because it looked like the
[9:08] Speaker 2: Green Goblin to me from the Spider-Man movies from the
[9:11] Speaker 2: 90s with William Dafoe in it. I talked to my
[9:16] Speaker 2: brother about it. He kind of thought it was either
[9:19] Speaker 2: a reptilian or an insectoid creature. And even though it
[9:24] Speaker 2: did kind of look like a reptilian, had an alligator stomach,
[9:27] Speaker 2: and it was green and had alligator feet, it was
[9:31] Speaker 2: more exoskeleton on the outside, like an ant, you know?
[9:34] Speaker 2: So I don't know if it was a hybrid or
[9:36] Speaker 2: what it was, but that was pretty crazy.
[9:39] Speaker 1: How did it appear to you? What happened during that experience?
[9:42] Speaker 2: Oh, you want me to get into that experience? Sure.
[9:45] Speaker 3: Why not?
[9:46] Speaker 2: Okay. I was, I'm a man. I was a mailman
[9:49] Speaker 2: for 32 years. And when I was working, I was
[9:52] Speaker 2: working in Yonkers, New York, and I was working in
[9:54] Speaker 2: the North, North Yonkers. And it was a really high-end
[9:58] Speaker 2: area of town i mean the mayor lived there the
[10:01] Speaker 2: police commissioner lived there i mean it was just very
[10:04] Speaker 2: very high end and um the regular carrier got hurt
[10:09] Speaker 2: and he asked me if i wanted to take hold
[10:11] Speaker 2: his route down to the gear i knew he was
[10:12] Speaker 2: going to be out for like a year so i
[10:13] Speaker 2: was like yeah so i'll hold this route down this
[10:15] Speaker 2: is cake you know It basically was all buildings except
[10:19] Speaker 2: for maybe 30 houses that ran along an aqueduct that
[10:23] Speaker 2: ran water from the Catskills down to New York City,
[10:26] Speaker 2: which was just, you know, maybe a mile, a couple
[10:29] Speaker 2: of miles long. It wasn't that long of a wooded area,
[10:32] Speaker 2: you know. So I was doing the route. And one
[10:37] Speaker 2: day I'm walking. I finished at the end of the route.
[10:40] Speaker 2: And I used to park my car at the beginning
[10:41] Speaker 2: of the aqueduct because the first building was like right
[10:44] Speaker 2: across the street. And it was always parking on either
[10:47] Speaker 2: side of the street in front of the aqueduct. I
[10:50] Speaker 2: was like, it was weird. Nobody would park where this
[10:53] Speaker 2: aqueduct would cross the street. So I said, I'll park here,
[10:56] Speaker 2: you know? So one day I finished the route and
[11:00] Speaker 2: I'm walking. I'm taking the aqueduct back to my car
[11:02] Speaker 2: because it's a shortcut. If I take the aqueduct, it's
[11:04] Speaker 2: a mile. If I take the road, it's two miles.
[11:07] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So I'm taking the aqueduct
[11:10] Speaker 2: back to my car. And as I'm walking... I'm noticing
[11:15] Speaker 2: that all the private houses have like these 10 foot
[11:18] Speaker 2: fences and all the private houses have these like killer
[11:22] Speaker 2: guard dogs, you know, Rottweilers, Pit Bulls, German Shepherds, Goldman Pinschers,
[11:26] Speaker 2: just like all these crazy dogs. And the dogs are
[11:29] Speaker 2: all going crazy. Every time I walk past the house,
[11:33] Speaker 2: another dog would run up to the fence and go
[11:34] Speaker 2: absolutely ballistic. And as I was walking back, before I
[11:39] Speaker 2: got to the private homes, and I was still in
[11:42] Speaker 2: the condominium comp, there was like three giant condominiums that
[11:45] Speaker 2: faced the aqua, I felt like something was following me.
[11:49] Speaker 2: You know, I just got the feeling that something was
[11:51] Speaker 2: following me. And I would turn around and wouldn't see anything.
[11:55] Speaker 2: And I would walk some more. And man, I just
[11:57] Speaker 2: felt like something, the energy was just like all over me.
[12:02] Speaker 2: So I turned around. And I pulled, I used to
[12:04] Speaker 2: carry two cans of dog spray, one on each side
[12:07] Speaker 2: of the bag. I pulled both cans off the bag
[12:10] Speaker 2: and I ran to the area where I felt this
[12:13] Speaker 2: energy was. And it was in the bushes, like the woods.
[12:17] Speaker 2: And I just turned those trees from green to red,
[12:20] Speaker 2: you know? And I said, if there's anything here and
[12:23] Speaker 2: it leaves, I'll be able to see it because I
[12:25] Speaker 2: just sprayed all these bushes down. But nothing moved. So
[12:28] Speaker 2: I was like, okay. So as I'm walking, I start
[12:31] Speaker 2: to get to the houses with these giant fences and
[12:33] Speaker 2: these killer dogs. The dogs are all running up to
[12:36] Speaker 2: the fence and going crazy. And I don't know if
[12:38] Speaker 2: they're running up to me because I'm the mailman, you
[12:41] Speaker 2: know what I mean? Or if they see what's following
[12:44] Speaker 2: me and they're going nuts, you know? Anyway, I get
[12:47] Speaker 2: to my car and I would do the one first
[12:51] Speaker 2: building thing. It was across the street. I did this
[12:53] Speaker 2: one building that had a west end and an east end.
[12:56] Speaker 2: It was a really big building. Again, high-end building. Judges,
[12:59] Speaker 2: like Supreme Court judges lived in it, you know what
[13:02] Speaker 2: I mean? And right across the street, there was actually
[13:06] Speaker 2: an ex-NFL football player, guys that play for the Jets.
[13:10] Speaker 2: So every day when I would go there, we'd talk football,
[13:13] Speaker 2: you know, and we'd talk football. And I said to
[13:15] Speaker 2: him one day, I said, what's the deal with all these,
[13:18] Speaker 2: you know, 10 foot fences and killer guard dogs, you know?
[13:21] Speaker 2: And he says, you know what, Al? He goes, when
[13:24] Speaker 2: I first moved in here years and years and years ago,
[13:26] Speaker 2: he said, um, my wife got up one night to
[13:30] Speaker 2: use the bathroom. And at that time we didn't have
[13:33] Speaker 2: any dog. The kids were small. He said, we didn't
[13:35] Speaker 2: have any dogs. And, uh, the fence was only like
[13:38] Speaker 2: a four foot fence, you know? Cause like I said,
[13:40] Speaker 2: it's a very high end neighborhood. There's not a lot
[13:42] Speaker 2: of crime there, you know? And, uh, She was in
[13:45] Speaker 2: the bathroom washing her hands after she used the bathroom
[13:48] Speaker 2: and she looked out the window and she seen it
[13:50] Speaker 2: look like a five or six foot tall guy jump
[13:52] Speaker 2: over the fence and come towards our back door. So
[13:55] Speaker 2: she come woke me up and this guy's like six
[13:58] Speaker 2: foot seven, 350 pounds. He's a monster, right? And she goes,
[14:02] Speaker 2: she wakes me up and says, is someone at the
[14:04] Speaker 2: back door? So he grabs a baseball bat to go
[14:07] Speaker 2: down and she was at the back door. She's on
[14:10] Speaker 2: the phone with the cops calling 911. Now this particular neighborhood,
[14:14] Speaker 2: there was always two cop cars parked on this neighborhood,
[14:17] Speaker 2: one at the South end and one at the North end.
[14:20] Speaker 2: And she's calling the cops and the cops are like, okay,
[14:23] Speaker 2: we'll send the car. We got a car, a unit
[14:25] Speaker 2: in the area. We'll send the unit there. It's probably
[14:28] Speaker 2: just a prowler. Don't worry about it. This guy opens,
[14:31] Speaker 2: he hears scratching at his back door. He had a
[14:33] Speaker 2: wooden back door and he hears scratching at the back door.
[14:36] Speaker 2: He opens up the door and he grabs his baseball
[14:39] Speaker 2: bat to, to whack this guy thinking it's somebody trying to, uh,
[14:43] Speaker 2: break in and he sees this creature standing there looking
[14:49] Speaker 2: at him, you know, and he's like shocked. And the
[14:52] Speaker 2: creature is shocked because this guy is so big too,
[14:54] Speaker 2: you know, and the creature takes off running and the
[14:59] Speaker 2: cops come there and they, and they tell, he tells
[15:02] Speaker 2: the cops, you know, I, well, I've seen it jump
[15:04] Speaker 2: over the fence. I seen it run back out and
[15:06] Speaker 2: jump over the fence, yada, yada, yada. And the cops is, Oh,
[15:10] Speaker 2: What you seen was just some prowler in a Halloween costume,
[15:13] Speaker 2: you know? He was like, what I seen wasn't, you know,
[15:16] Speaker 2: no prowler in a Halloween costume. There wasn't no kid
[15:19] Speaker 2: trying to break into my house. This wasn't human, you know?
[15:22] Speaker 2: And they can say, no, no, no, you just seen
[15:25] Speaker 2: a prowler. You know, this is what we recommend for
[15:29] Speaker 2: all the people in this neighborhood. Get yourself a steel
[15:32] Speaker 2: door and buy yourself a dog and raise the fence
[15:37] Speaker 2: like another... five feet, make it a 10 foot fence.
[15:41] Speaker 2: So he's like, okay. So then he started talking to
[15:43] Speaker 2: his neighbors and they all told, they gave him the
[15:45] Speaker 2: scoop that there's this creature living in the woods. And
[15:48] Speaker 2: so everybody had the dog. And then, so he tells
[15:52] Speaker 2: him the story and I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm
[15:54] Speaker 2: not sure if this guy's pulling my leg or not.
[15:56] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Um, really wasn't sure cause
[15:59] Speaker 2: he was a fun guy and I wasn't really sure.
[16:01] Speaker 2: So I started talking to all the other neighbors and
[16:04] Speaker 2: on Saturday, everybody was out cutting the grass, you know,
[16:08] Speaker 2: doing lot yard, lot yard work and stuff, lawn work.
[16:11] Speaker 2: And it was one woman, older woman, heavyset black woman.
[16:16] Speaker 2: She ran like a halfway house for abused women. So
[16:19] Speaker 2: she had, and then to get to the front door
[16:22] Speaker 2: from the sidewalk was like a hundred steps up on
[16:25] Speaker 2: every single one of these houses. Okay. And so I
[16:31] Speaker 2: help her up with her groceries one day and we
[16:33] Speaker 2: become really good friends. We start talking and she's got
[16:36] Speaker 2: iced tea for me and lemonade in the summer and
[16:39] Speaker 2: coffee and hot chocolate in the winter. And we start
[16:41] Speaker 2: talking about this, you know, and she had an old
[16:44] Speaker 2: pit bull that was scarred up, unbelievable, just like mauled.
[16:49] Speaker 2: And I said, what happened to your dog? You know,
[16:51] Speaker 2: and she's like, let me tell you a story. And
[16:54] Speaker 2: so she tells me this story, how, In the beginning,
[16:57] Speaker 2: when the dog was young, she had a wooden back door,
[17:00] Speaker 2: small fence. Something jumped over the fence. Everybody was in bed.
[17:05] Speaker 2: All the girls were in bed, the ladies in the house.
[17:08] Speaker 2: And something started clawing its way through her doors. And
[17:13] Speaker 2: the dog ran down to protect the house and started
[17:15] Speaker 2: fighting with this thing. And this thing mauled the dog,
[17:19] Speaker 2: just mauled him, you know. And she called the cops.
[17:22] Speaker 2: The cops came. The thing ran away. Cops took the
[17:25] Speaker 2: dog to a hospital, saved the dog. And now she's
[17:28] Speaker 2: got two pit bulls, the old one and a younger one,
[17:31] Speaker 2: you know? But the dog kind of saved everybody. And
[17:34] Speaker 2: she said, I don't know what it was. She goes, well,
[17:37] Speaker 2: we had to change the door to a steel door.
[17:39] Speaker 2: But the crazy thing about it is these people all
[17:43] Speaker 2: have windows in their kitchens. And the window pane is
[17:47] Speaker 2: like an eighth of an inch thick. Hmm. And this
[17:50] Speaker 2: thing never thought to break the glass to get in.
[17:53] Speaker 2: It was always clawing at the doors. So I didn't
[17:56] Speaker 2: think of it, whatever it was to me, I didn't
[17:58] Speaker 2: feel like it was that intelligent. So as time goes by,
[18:02] Speaker 2: I'm taking the aqueduct and, you know, sometimes I feel it,
[18:06] Speaker 2: sometimes I don't. I'm not worried about it because, you know, I'm,
[18:10] Speaker 2: I can handle myself. I'm a pretty good, pretty big guy.
[18:14] Speaker 2: And I've done martial arts my whole life. I have, Plenty.
[18:17] Speaker 2: I got plenty of confidence in my ability to defend myself.
[18:21] Speaker 2: And so one day I know I started noticing that, um,
[18:25] Speaker 2: the buildings, all the condos that face the Hudson river,
[18:29] Speaker 2: nobody moved in or out. Once they moved in, everybody
[18:31] Speaker 2: stayed there, but the condos that face the act with
[18:34] Speaker 2: the people were constantly leaving, coming and going. And I
[18:37] Speaker 2: couldn't understand for such a high end area neighborhood, beautiful buildings.
[18:42] Speaker 2: I mean, these buildings were gorgeous. He had pools on
[18:45] Speaker 2: the roof and the whole nine yards, you know. And
[18:48] Speaker 2: so I couldn't understand why everybody was leaving. So I
[18:51] Speaker 2: started talking to one of the maintenance guys. I says, hey,
[18:53] Speaker 2: what's the deal with this building? Why is everybody moved
[18:56] Speaker 2: so much, you know? And he said, oh, because of
[18:59] Speaker 2: the chupacabra. He called it a chupacabra. The chupacabra lives
[19:02] Speaker 2: in the woods. And at night, it sits on the aqueduct.
[19:07] Speaker 2: It literally climbs up these people's fire escapes, patios. The
[19:12] Speaker 2: patios were all made out of wood. It would climb
[19:15] Speaker 2: up on the patios, take lawn furniture, put it on
[19:18] Speaker 2: the aqueduct, and sit there and stare at the building
[19:20] Speaker 2: like how it's trying to figure out how to get in.
[19:23] Speaker 2: And he said the chupacabra would freak everybody out, you know.
[19:26] Speaker 2: He said one day he was up on the roof
[19:29] Speaker 2: at the north end of the pool checking the pH
[19:32] Speaker 2: level on the pool when something came out of the
[19:36] Speaker 2: south end. He didn't see it. It was invisible. But
[19:39] Speaker 2: he said when it walked to the edge of the building,
[19:42] Speaker 2: it left tracks like an alligator. And he said, I
[19:45] Speaker 2: don't know if it jumped off the roof and onto
[19:48] Speaker 2: the the, the, the, what you would call the woods
[19:51] Speaker 2: into the woods, or if it climbed down the side
[19:53] Speaker 2: of the roof. But we used to, we had to
[19:55] Speaker 2: go in. He said, told me that I go into
[19:57] Speaker 2: everybody's patios and change all the doors to steel doors,
[20:01] Speaker 2: like steel rim doors. Cause originally they were all wood.
[20:04] Speaker 2: Everything matched the building, you know? And he said, we
[20:07] Speaker 2: had to change everything. And he says, yeah, the chupacabras
[20:10] Speaker 2: in the woods freaks everybody out. So as winter comes
[20:14] Speaker 2: and it gets darker earlier and these buildings are at
[20:17] Speaker 2: the end of the route, the way these buildings were
[20:20] Speaker 2: set up There are two, two buildings were connected by
[20:24] Speaker 2: a breezeway on the back end. You'd have to take
[20:27] Speaker 2: the elevator up to each floor to deliver the mail.
[20:30] Speaker 2: Each floor had its own mailbox. Okay. Like set of
[20:33] Speaker 2: mailboxes for that floor. And then it was a breezeway,
[20:36] Speaker 2: like on a second floor that went over to the
[20:38] Speaker 2: other building, but that building had the mailboxes in the lobby.
[20:41] Speaker 2: So you went downstairs with the mail. So I'm on the,
[20:45] Speaker 2: I'm delivering the mail in the mailbox and it's, you know,
[20:48] Speaker 2: late around four o'clock in the afternoon in the winter.
[20:51] Speaker 2: And I noticed that the women are coming home with
[20:54] Speaker 2: the kids from school and the school buses are dropping.
[20:57] Speaker 2: And the kids, as soon as they get off the elevator,
[20:59] Speaker 2: they turn and they run to their doors. Like they're
[21:02] Speaker 2: not wasting any time getting into the building. And the
[21:05] Speaker 2: same thing with the ladies, ladies are getting out of
[21:07] Speaker 2: the elevator. They're not even looking towards the woods. They're
[21:10] Speaker 2: just making a beeline to their apartments. And I'm like, man,
[21:13] Speaker 2: this is crazy. I can't believe what's going on here.
[21:16] Speaker 2: You know? So one time I'm, sitting there and I'm
[21:22] Speaker 2: putting the mail in the box and I feel like
[21:23] Speaker 2: something is looking at me. So I turn around and
[21:27] Speaker 2: I walk over to the breezeway and the breezeway wasn't
[21:29] Speaker 2: closed and it was an open breezeway, which overlooked the courtyard,
[21:32] Speaker 2: which was a beautiful courtyard where they had barbecues and stuff.
[21:36] Speaker 2: And it was like an eight foot retaining wall holding
[21:38] Speaker 2: the aqueduct back. And I'm looking down at the aqueduct
[21:42] Speaker 2: and I'm saying, I know you're out there. I can
[21:45] Speaker 2: feel you looking at me. I know you're there. I said, uh,
[21:49] Speaker 2: You can't intimidate me. I said, show yourself, you know,
[21:54] Speaker 2: not really expect like talking to the wind right in
[21:56] Speaker 2: my head. I'm doing this like telepathically. Right. Because I
[22:00] Speaker 2: don't want anybody to hear me saying I'm crazy, you know,
[22:02] Speaker 2: crazy mailman. So not thinking anything was going to happen
[22:08] Speaker 2: when I seen two yellow, yellowish green eyes flash. Boom. Like,
[22:13] Speaker 2: here I am. And I was like, oh, okay, there
[22:17] Speaker 2: you are. Now I see you. And I said to him,
[22:20] Speaker 2: I said, don't go nowhere. I'll be right down. So
[22:23] Speaker 2: I went down and I went into the courtyard and
[22:27] Speaker 2: I'm looking up at the retaining wall. Again, I can't
[22:30] Speaker 2: see anything. It's invisible to me. And I said, you
[22:33] Speaker 2: know what? Let me stand up on the picnic tables,
[22:37] Speaker 2: give myself a little bit of height because this thing's
[22:39] Speaker 2: on an eight foot wall. It's towering over me, you know?
[22:42] Speaker 2: So I got up on the retaining wall, up on the,
[22:45] Speaker 2: on the picnic table and say, okay, I'm here now.
[22:47] Speaker 2: Show me, show me who you are. Show me what
[22:49] Speaker 2: you are. And it materialized in front of me. And
[22:52] Speaker 2: it was this green exoskeleton looking thing that looked like
[22:57] Speaker 2: the green goblin to me, but its belly was like
[23:01] Speaker 2: almost like white, like an alligator. And it had alligator
[23:04] Speaker 2: feet and hands. And I looked at it and I
[23:07] Speaker 2: was like, what the F is this thing? What am
[23:10] Speaker 2: I looking at? You know? And the thought came to
[23:13] Speaker 2: my head, is it alien?
[23:16] Speaker 1: You said it had sort of like an insectoid head?
[23:19] Speaker 2: Yeah. If you ever looked at the old Green Goblin
[23:23] Speaker 2: from the old Spider-Man movies, it had that kind of head,
[23:25] Speaker 2: you know? Right. And I'm looking at it, and I'm thinking,
[23:30] Speaker 2: is it an alien? And I'm saying, no, it doesn't
[23:33] Speaker 2: feel like alien to me. It felt like to me
[23:37] Speaker 2: that it was a cave dweller, that it lived in caves.
[23:41] Speaker 2: And these particular woods had a lot of caves in
[23:45] Speaker 2: there because back in the old days when the rich
[23:48] Speaker 2: people who worked in Manhattan built these giant mansions overlooking
[23:53] Speaker 2: the Hudson River, a lot of them had underground passages
[23:58] Speaker 2: to the river and they would go down by boat
[24:00] Speaker 2: or they would have stuff brought up by boat. And
[24:03] Speaker 2: they used to run liquor that way too. So I
[24:05] Speaker 2: know there's a lot of underground caverns in this area.
[24:09] Speaker 2: And I'm like, to me, it felt like a cave dweller.
[24:11] Speaker 2: And to me, it didn't feel like it was alien,
[24:14] Speaker 2: like extraterrestrial, because I didn't get the sense that it
[24:17] Speaker 2: was that intelligent. Because if you were that intelligent, why
[24:20] Speaker 2: don't you just tap the window with one of your
[24:23] Speaker 2: nails and break the window if you want to get in,
[24:25] Speaker 2: you know? So I'm looking at it. It's looking at me.
[24:29] Speaker 2: It's sizing me up. I'm sizing it up. And I'm saying, okay,
[24:31] Speaker 2: now I know what I'm dealing with, you know? So
[24:35] Speaker 2: life goes on. I'm delivering the mail. And one day,
[24:39] Speaker 2: in this first building that I delivered to, the south end,
[24:42] Speaker 2: there was a judge who lived there. And I used
[24:44] Speaker 2: to talk to him all the time. He was a
[24:46] Speaker 2: great guy. And his daughter lived on the north end. Actually,
[24:50] Speaker 2: her apartment was on the first floor that faced the aqueduct.
[24:54] Speaker 2: And all the buildings that faced the aqueduct, the windows
[24:58] Speaker 2: were all, like, caged off, almost like you were in prison, right? Right.
[25:03] Speaker 2: And I couldn't understand why they would have these cages
[25:05] Speaker 2: on these high-end buildings. You know, can't imagine people want
[25:08] Speaker 2: to look out their window and see these bars on
[25:11] Speaker 2: their windows. So one night, she's a young girl. She
[25:15] Speaker 2: tells me the story. She comes in one day. She
[25:18] Speaker 2: comes into the building one day with this giant killer
[25:23] Speaker 2: German shepherd, right? And the dog is like going crazy,
[25:26] Speaker 2: wanting to eat me. And she's like, I'll go to
[25:29] Speaker 2: the other side of the building because I can barely
[25:30] Speaker 2: hold him, you know? And she said, I'll bring him
[25:33] Speaker 2: into your apartment. So she brought him into your apartment.
[25:35] Speaker 2: I was like, when the hell did you get this dog?
[25:38] Speaker 2: And she was like, well, you don't know what happened
[25:40] Speaker 2: to me. I said, well, what happened to you? She said,
[25:43] Speaker 2: young girl, good looking girl, worked in Manhattan. She was
[25:46] Speaker 2: a lawyer too. She drove a nice Porsche and stuff.
[25:50] Speaker 2: She said one night I came home from work and
[25:51] Speaker 2: there was no place to park but in front of
[25:53] Speaker 2: the aqueduct. So I parked in front of the aqueduct.
[25:57] Speaker 2: And when I got out of my car, I felt
[26:00] Speaker 2: like there was something on the aqueduct looking at me,
[26:02] Speaker 2: but I couldn't see it, she said. Then all of
[26:04] Speaker 2: a sudden I heard footsteps running towards me, but I
[26:07] Speaker 2: couldn't see what was coming towards me. So she took
[26:10] Speaker 2: off running to her building, which was only across the street.
[26:12] Speaker 2: And this particular building had a wooden foyer door for
[26:16] Speaker 2: the front foyer. It was really big, heavy door, you know,
[26:20] Speaker 2: like three inches thick. And then it had glass doors
[26:23] Speaker 2: to get into the lobby. And she said, I made
[26:25] Speaker 2: it to the, to the foyer and, When this thing
[26:30] Speaker 2: hit the door, boom, ran into the door, sent her flying.
[26:34] Speaker 2: She got back up to close the door. She said,
[26:37] Speaker 2: and she's seeing like these green claws coming in the door,
[26:40] Speaker 2: trying to push it so I open. So she took
[26:42] Speaker 2: out her mace because she lived in the city. She
[26:44] Speaker 2: carried mace and she sprayed the thing down, which gave
[26:47] Speaker 2: her enough time to get the lobby door unlocked and in.
[26:51] Speaker 2: And ever since then, she went out. And so she
[26:55] Speaker 2: called her father, told her father what had just happened.
[26:58] Speaker 2: This creature, I guess it got her scent. It ran
[27:03] Speaker 2: around the side of the building and was trying to
[27:06] Speaker 2: pull the bars off of her bedroom window. And she
[27:09] Speaker 2: called her father and her father came down and father
[27:13] Speaker 2: came down with his. 357. And he just started shooting
[27:16] Speaker 2: through the window at this creature, you know. And he
[27:20] Speaker 2: let off like six rounds. And of course... you know,
[27:23] Speaker 2: the cops come and everything. Cause you know, New York
[27:25] Speaker 2: is like an impossible to get a gun in. And
[27:28] Speaker 2: here's a guy shooting in an apartment out the window,
[27:30] Speaker 2: you know, so the cops come. And of course he's a,
[27:33] Speaker 2: he's a, he's a judge. Everything gets pushed, shoved under
[27:36] Speaker 2: the rug. Nobody knows anything about it. And, um, her
[27:40] Speaker 2: father got her a gun. Her father got her a
[27:42] Speaker 2: gun permit as well. And he told her to get
[27:44] Speaker 2: a dog and take the dog everywhere. She goes with
[27:47] Speaker 2: her this way. She doesn't have to walk at night
[27:49] Speaker 2: by herself, you know? And, um, So I'm hearing these stories,
[27:53] Speaker 2: and it's just like all this stuff is going on.
[27:56] Speaker 2: And like I said, I'm delivering this route for a year,
[28:00] Speaker 2: and I'm walking back from the very last condo building.
[28:05] Speaker 2: When I finished that delivery, I never walked back the street.
[28:10] Speaker 2: I always took the aqueduct. And then at one point,
[28:14] Speaker 2: something changed. The energy changed on the aqueduct, and it
[28:18] Speaker 2: got really dark. I felt like, you know what? this
[28:22] Speaker 2: is not a good idea to do anymore. You know,
[28:24] Speaker 2: like that little voice in my head said, you know
[28:27] Speaker 2: what you should do now? You should drive to these
[28:29] Speaker 2: buildings with your car and deliver the mail out of
[28:32] Speaker 2: your car. This way you, all you have to do
[28:34] Speaker 2: is jump in, you park in the parking lot and
[28:36] Speaker 2: jump in the car and you don't have to take
[28:38] Speaker 2: the aqueduct anymore. And once, well, cause even though it
[28:43] Speaker 2: was a short route, like distance wise, it had so
[28:46] Speaker 2: many buildings and he got so much mail and, that
[28:49] Speaker 2: you would be out there for like eight hours just
[28:51] Speaker 2: delivering packages and mail and stuff. So, you know, in
[28:54] Speaker 2: the wintertime, if I'm getting done five, six o'clock at night,
[28:57] Speaker 2: it's pitch black, you know? And I'm like, yeah, I'm
[29:01] Speaker 2: not walking that aqueduct in pitch black. You know what
[29:04] Speaker 2: I mean? So I started working out of my car.
[29:08] Speaker 2: And that was just, you know, like I said, that
[29:11] Speaker 2: was a creepy thing. And I called my brother and
[29:13] Speaker 2: I said, dude, you're not going to believe what I seen.
[29:16] Speaker 2: You know, I can't. And I described it as the
[29:18] Speaker 2: Green Goblin. He's like, please, don't ever tell anybody the
[29:21] Speaker 2: Green Goblin. They're going to think you're an idiot. He said,
[29:24] Speaker 2: if anything, it sounds like a hybrid between a reptilian
[29:28] Speaker 2: and an insectoid creature. And I was like, look, I
[29:32] Speaker 2: don't know what the hell it was. It definitely was
[29:36] Speaker 2: not a chupacabra. you know and i don't really believe
[29:40] Speaker 2: that it's alien from outer space i think it's something
[29:45] Speaker 2: that lives in caves and lives here you know it
[29:49] Speaker 2: may have came from a different dimension or a different
[29:53] Speaker 2: you know universe at one point but now it's definitely
[29:56] Speaker 2: here you know Well.
[29:58] Speaker 1: One of the common themes with even cryptid creatures, possibly extraterrestrials,
[30:04] Speaker 1: unknown species of beings that have this common ability to
[30:09] Speaker 1: be able to phase in and out of our reality
[30:13] Speaker 1: or alter our perception to where we can't see them
[30:16] Speaker 1: or be able to take on this cloaking effect of
[30:20] Speaker 1: some sort. This happens with, I hear of Bigfoot doing this, extraterrestrials,
[30:25] Speaker 1: other cryptid beings. Oh, yeah. I mean, I've.
[30:38] Speaker 2: Had plenty of Bigfoot experiences. I've had a dog man
[30:43] Speaker 2: come to my house, you know what I mean? And
[30:46] Speaker 2: kind of just tell me, like, you know, you know
[30:48] Speaker 2: where I live, now I know where you live, you
[30:50] Speaker 2: know what I mean?
[30:51] Speaker 1: I would love to hear the Dogman story because I've
[30:53] Speaker 1: been interviewing a lot of witnesses for this. I'm in
[30:56] Speaker 1: the middle of making a docuseries that focuses on a
[30:59] Speaker 1: lot of cryptid encounters in South Louisiana. So I'd love
[31:03] Speaker 1: to hear your encounter with this creature.
[31:06] Speaker 2: Okay, just a quick, Mike. My theory on this invisibility
[31:10] Speaker 2: cloak or whatever they do, my theory is they're able
[31:16] Speaker 2: to change the spectrum of light they're in so we
[31:19] Speaker 2: can't see them. I don't think they disappear. I don't
[31:23] Speaker 2: think they go. I mean, they are invisible thoughts because
[31:26] Speaker 2: we can't see them in whatever spectrum of light they're in.
[31:29] Speaker 2: They would, they raise their frequency or their vibration and
[31:33] Speaker 2: they change the spectrum of light. I still think they're there.
[31:35] Speaker 2: We just don't see them. Um, like with the green
[31:38] Speaker 2: goblin creature, I didn't see it, but I felt its energy.
[31:42] Speaker 2: I felt its intention. You know, I seen it. I
[31:45] Speaker 2: felt like it was sizing me up, you know? So
[31:48] Speaker 2: I knew it was there. And, uh, And I believe
[31:51] Speaker 2: the same thing with the Bigfoots and the Dog Man too.
[31:53] Speaker 2: I think they have the ability to raise their frequency
[31:57] Speaker 2: or vibration and change the spectrum of light they're in.
[32:00] Speaker 2: I even think they're able to go in and out
[32:03] Speaker 2: of different dimensions through different kind of portals and stuff
[32:07] Speaker 2: like that. But as far as the Dog Man goes,
[32:11] Speaker 2: we were on an investigation and I'll cut to the
[32:17] Speaker 2: chase because it's a long story, but we were bluff
[32:21] Speaker 2: charged we were up on a high ridge overlooking a
[32:25] Speaker 2: swamp to our east and a lake to our west
[32:29] Speaker 2: and we were up there just you know it was
[32:31] Speaker 2: a halloween.
[32:32] Speaker 1: And it was approximate location was this what approximate location
[32:36] Speaker 1: new york.
[32:37] Speaker 2: New york new york yeah we're in new york and
[32:40] Speaker 2: It's Hallow's Eve. There's a full moon. There's a meteor shower.
[32:45] Speaker 2: And we're in a place of high strangeness. And so
[32:49] Speaker 2: we actually, when we captured some Morse codes coming out
[32:54] Speaker 2: of the sky through a parabolic mic, we had all
[32:57] Speaker 2: kinds of stuff happen paranormally after we did a couple
[33:01] Speaker 2: of different rituals that we do. But at one point,
[33:04] Speaker 2: we heard a Sasquatch walk over to us. It whooped
[33:07] Speaker 2: three times. Um, we didn't, um, we didn't know what
[33:14] Speaker 2: we thought that maybe it was telling other Sasquatches in
[33:17] Speaker 2: the area that there was three of us. That's why
[33:19] Speaker 2: we'll three times. But I mean, the power of this whoop,
[33:23] Speaker 2: it was had to be easily a hundred, a hundred
[33:27] Speaker 2: feet away, maybe 150 feet. And the whoops just go
[33:29] Speaker 2: right through you and the, the ground shakes. And, you know,
[33:33] Speaker 2: the guys I were with never experienced it before, but
[33:36] Speaker 2: I knew what I was dealing with. And, um, So
[33:40] Speaker 2: at one point, this Bigfoot throws a rock the size
[33:45] Speaker 2: of a bowling ball up over the top of the trees. Now,
[33:50] Speaker 2: just think about it. The trees are 60 feet long.
[33:54] Speaker 2: We're on a ridge that's like another 30 feet high.
[33:57] Speaker 2: And it throws this giant boulder over the top of
[34:02] Speaker 2: the trees. It comes down and lands right in between
[34:04] Speaker 2: the three of us. The three of us sitting in,
[34:07] Speaker 2: you know, like a. and a circle, semi-circle, and it
[34:10] Speaker 2: rolls down and it hits one of my guys, my partner,
[34:12] Speaker 2: Brian's chair. And Brian's like, we should probably leave now,
[34:17] Speaker 2: you know? And I was like, no, not ready to leave.
[34:20] Speaker 2: Bill wanted to leave after the whoops. I was like, no,
[34:22] Speaker 2: I'm not ready to leave. I feel like there's more
[34:24] Speaker 2: to come. So we're sitting there. Not that we knew
[34:27] Speaker 2: if there was anything in the swamp, because we didn't
[34:29] Speaker 2: know about this. We weren't there for the swamp. What
[34:32] Speaker 2: we found originally, I found three giant quartz crystal boys
[34:37] Speaker 2: set up in a pyramid shape. And the one on
[34:40] Speaker 2: the top had almost like it was chiseled out, looked
[34:43] Speaker 2: like a face. So I said, this is going to
[34:46] Speaker 2: be our location number one when we come on Halloween.
[34:50] Speaker 2: And then we had two other locations picked out. We'll
[34:52] Speaker 2: work our way back to the car. So anyway, we
[34:55] Speaker 2: were there for like more paranormal than anything else. But
[34:58] Speaker 2: I knew there were Bigfoots in the area because I
[35:01] Speaker 2: had heard reports that And I've talked to locals in
[35:04] Speaker 2: the area that were run out of the woods, you know,
[35:08] Speaker 2: like hunting, raccoon hunting and stuff like that, raccoon hunting.
[35:12] Speaker 2: They were ran out of the woods by Bigfoots. So anyway,
[35:15] Speaker 2: we get the rock thrown at us. Brian's ready to leave.
[35:18] Speaker 2: Bill's ready to leave. I'm not ready to leave yet.
[35:20] Speaker 2: And we're sitting there and there's a stone wall behind us,
[35:23] Speaker 2: like a three foot high stone wall behind us. And
[35:25] Speaker 2: these walls run all over the place here in the Northeast. Okay.
[35:30] Speaker 2: And nobody knows who actually made them. They call them
[35:33] Speaker 2: They call them markers, like property markers, but I'm not
[35:36] Speaker 2: buying it. And so we're sitting there. We're talking amongst ourselves.
[35:42] Speaker 2: And my camera guy, Bill, is sitting next to his
[35:46] Speaker 2: back to the wall. And we got three or four
[35:48] Speaker 2: different cameras pointed in each direction trying to pick up
[35:52] Speaker 2: anything that comes near us because we're hearing stuff all
[35:54] Speaker 2: night long, but we're not seeing anything on any of
[35:56] Speaker 2: the cameras. All of a sudden, we hear what sounds
[35:59] Speaker 2: like a quadruped running up the ridge. And it's coming, man.
[36:05] Speaker 2: It's coming, right? So I jump up, Brian jumps up,
[36:10] Speaker 2: Bill jumps up, and Bill starts to run past me.
[36:13] Speaker 2: And I'm focused on where the sound is coming from.
[36:18] Speaker 2: I'm not taking my eyes off the sound. And as
[36:20] Speaker 2: Bill gets to me, I reach out with my left
[36:22] Speaker 2: hand and I just stop him dead and I spin
[36:25] Speaker 2: him around and I say, stand your ground. We don't
[36:28] Speaker 2: know what we're dealing with here. Honestly, I thought it
[36:31] Speaker 2: was either a black bear charging us or a mountain lion.
[36:33] Speaker 2: That's what I thought it was. As I spin them around,
[36:36] Speaker 2: I said, stand your ground. Brian and Bill are a
[36:39] Speaker 2: little bit further behind me, so they pull out their machetes.
[36:42] Speaker 2: What we have on us are pepper spray, 10-inch survival knives,
[36:45] Speaker 2: 18-inch machetes. They're able to pull out their machetes because
[36:49] Speaker 2: they're in a more opened area. I'm closest to the
[36:51] Speaker 2: wall in this tree line, so I pull out my
[36:54] Speaker 2: survival knives because I don't have room to maneuver machetes.
[36:58] Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, man, when this mountain lion hits this wall,
[37:01] Speaker 2: I'm going to have to sacrifice my left arm and
[37:04] Speaker 2: kill it with my survival knife, you know? That's what
[37:06] Speaker 2: I'm thinking is going to happen because I don't know
[37:09] Speaker 2: what's coming up this ridge. I can't see it. I
[37:11] Speaker 2: can only hear it. So the sound of this charging
[37:15] Speaker 2: quadruped gets right up in front of us and stops dead. Now,
[37:22] Speaker 2: we're all standing. You could have heard a pin drop
[37:24] Speaker 2: in the woods that night. And we're standing there listening.
[37:27] Speaker 2: And I have this little Sony camera hanging around my neck,
[37:30] Speaker 2: digital camera. And I take one picture where I feel
[37:34] Speaker 2: it stopped. Okay? And then I say to the guys,
[37:40] Speaker 2: let's go over the wall. Get our camera. Let's see
[37:42] Speaker 2: what's on the side of the wall. So we jump
[37:44] Speaker 2: over the wall with all our cameras. We point them
[37:46] Speaker 2: every which direction. We never heard anything leave. We never
[37:49] Speaker 2: heard anything jump off the ridge. We never heard anything
[37:52] Speaker 2: run back down the ridge. It was just dead silence.
[37:57] Speaker 2: I didn't see anything on my little camera because the
[37:59] Speaker 2: back of it's so small. I couldn't see anything in
[38:00] Speaker 2: the pitch black anyway. And so Bill go, we jump
[38:05] Speaker 2: over the wall. Bill's got a 1500 Luma. We light
[38:07] Speaker 2: up the woods like it's daytime. There's nothing there. Okay.
[38:11] Speaker 2: A couple of months later, I'm being drawn back to
[38:16] Speaker 2: the woods. Not so much the ridge that we were on,
[38:20] Speaker 2: but the swamp below it. I don't know why I'm
[38:23] Speaker 2: being drawn back to the swamp. but I'm being drawn
[38:26] Speaker 2: back to the swamp. So I called Bill and I
[38:29] Speaker 2: called Brian. I said, listen, I'm going. If you guys
[38:31] Speaker 2: don't want to come, I understand because, you know, probably
[38:35] Speaker 2: all could have died that night. You know, at this
[38:37] Speaker 2: point we had put up all our stuff raw on,
[38:41] Speaker 2: on our, on our site, our website. And a guy
[38:44] Speaker 2: calls me up from California and he says, you know,
[38:48] Speaker 2: that one photo you took up on the Ridge. And
[38:51] Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he goes, there's a dog man on
[38:53] Speaker 2: that photo. I'm like, what are you talking about? And
[38:56] Speaker 2: we looked at that photo many times. We didn't see anything,
[38:58] Speaker 2: you know. And we do our evidence review. We use
[39:02] Speaker 2: like a 60-inch screen TV, you know. And there's like
[39:06] Speaker 2: six of us. Everybody's looking. And we didn't see it.
[39:08] Speaker 2: So I thought, I said, send it to me. I
[39:10] Speaker 2: thought the guy had Photoshopped it, to be honest with you,
[39:13] Speaker 2: you know. So he sends it to me. And there
[39:15] Speaker 2: it is. You can see eyes, a nose, ears. And
[39:19] Speaker 2: you can see something peeking over the stone wall, like
[39:22] Speaker 2: sniffing us, you know. So then I get my, I
[39:25] Speaker 2: go to my camera, I pull up the SD card
[39:27] Speaker 2: and it's already in the computer and sure as shit,
[39:29] Speaker 2: there it is. And I don't know how we've never
[39:31] Speaker 2: seen it, right? So I was like, okay, that Sasquatch
[39:36] Speaker 2: was trying to get us out of there because we
[39:40] Speaker 2: were in danger because we were in a dog man area.
[39:43] Speaker 2: And that's what that Sasquatch was trying to do. trying
[39:46] Speaker 2: to get us to leave. But I was so stubborn,
[39:48] Speaker 2: I wouldn't leave that night, you know? So now I
[39:51] Speaker 2: see this dogman picture, and I was like, okay, I'm
[39:55] Speaker 2: being drawn back to the swamp. I'm being drawn back
[39:58] Speaker 2: to the swamp. We go back to the swamp. As
[40:00] Speaker 2: we're getting closer to the swamp, I'm getting hit with infrasounds.
[40:05] Speaker 2: I'm 100 yards away from the swamp, and I feel
[40:09] Speaker 2: like I'm overheating. I feel nauseous. I feel like something
[40:13] Speaker 2: is trying to stop me. from getting to the swamp.
[40:17] Speaker 2: But on the same hand, something is pulling me there.
[40:21] Speaker 2: So Bill was like, let's go back. Let's turn around.
[40:24] Speaker 2: I said, turn around. I said, dude, I can see
[40:25] Speaker 2: from here. There's no way I'm turning around. You know,
[40:28] Speaker 2: I'm not stopping now. Brian's pouring water over my head.
[40:31] Speaker 2: He's giving me like oranges to eat and everything. Try
[40:34] Speaker 2: to get me hydrated again. Cause it was like a
[40:37] Speaker 2: hundred degree day that day. And, uh, So I'm 20
[40:41] Speaker 2: minutes later to go by. I feel fine. We get
[40:43] Speaker 2: back to the swamp. Three experienced investigators were looking around.
[40:48] Speaker 2: We don't see nothing. And I'm like, man, I know
[40:51] Speaker 2: there's something here because something drew me here and we're
[40:55] Speaker 2: not seeing it. It's like, we got blinders on. We
[40:57] Speaker 2: can't see anything. Then a little voice in my head
[41:00] Speaker 2: goes off and says, jump on this giant rock in
[41:03] Speaker 2: front of you. I jump on a rock. And they said,
[41:05] Speaker 2: get your walking stick, move these cattails, 15 foot cattails.
[41:09] Speaker 2: And there right in front of me is a trackway
[41:12] Speaker 2: into the swamp. So I call Brian up. I call
[41:15] Speaker 2: Bill up. Everybody's looking in. Oh, my God. Bill wants
[41:18] Speaker 2: to go into the swamp. He steps into the swamp.
[41:21] Speaker 2: He sinks down to his knees. We've got to pull
[41:23] Speaker 2: him out. So we move the cattails, and we're filming.
[41:27] Speaker 2: Bill zooms in, and in the center of the swamp
[41:30] Speaker 2: is a dogman den. And in the den is this
[41:35] Speaker 2: giant canine-looking German dog. Wolf head facing west. Right next
[41:44] Speaker 2: to that creature is a hyena looking creature snarling at us.
[41:49] Speaker 2: Like it's pissed. We found its lair, you know?
[41:52] Speaker 1: And these are bipedal or are they on?
[41:55] Speaker 2: No, they're all, they're all, they're bipedal. They're bipedal. So
[41:59] Speaker 2: we're freaking out because now the one that's snarling at
[42:03] Speaker 2: us looks like the one that bluff charged us that
[42:06] Speaker 2: night in the photograph. Okay. So now all of a
[42:11] Speaker 2: sudden the blinders are off and we're finding X's and
[42:14] Speaker 2: archers and breaks and bends and twists. We're finding scat.
[42:18] Speaker 2: We found something that looked like a homemade corral that
[42:22] Speaker 2: where these creatures would chase deer into and then ambush them.
[42:26] Speaker 2: It was crazy. Little voice in my head said, go
[42:30] Speaker 2: to the north end of the swamp. And as I
[42:33] Speaker 2: was on a ridge, a high ridge, walking towards the
[42:35] Speaker 2: north end of the swamp, I seen a trackway come
[42:37] Speaker 2: out of the back of the swamp and walk straight
[42:39] Speaker 2: down the center of the swamp to the north side.
[42:42] Speaker 2: So we found all this stuff. And I was like, okay, well,
[42:44] Speaker 2: it was a dogman that bluffed us. We found a
[42:47] Speaker 2: dogman den. We go back to Bill's house. And we're
[42:53] Speaker 2: looking at the evidence on his 16-screen TV. And Bill
[42:58] Speaker 2: notices in the den with the two dogmen looks like
[43:03] Speaker 2: the creature from the Black Lagoon. Is it a reptilian?
[43:08] Speaker 2: What is it? You know what I mean? But it's definitely,
[43:11] Speaker 2: definitely alien-ish. You know what I mean? Definitely like a reptilian.
[43:15] Speaker 2: So Bill's mom comes in with coffee and cake. You know,
[43:18] Speaker 2: she goes, you guys want coffee and cake? And I'm like, yeah.
[43:22] Speaker 2: And she says, oh, what are the two little monkeys
[43:24] Speaker 2: doing in the den? And I'm like, what monkeys? She goes,
[43:27] Speaker 2: right here. The green creature's got them by the. And
[43:30] Speaker 2: this thing that looked like the creature from the Black
[43:33] Speaker 2: Lagoon is holding two little monkeys' hands. Looked like baby Sasquatches. Oh, man.
[43:39] Speaker 2: And we're just freaking out, right? Like, we can't believe
[43:43] Speaker 2: that all the stuff that's popping up. Okay, so we
[43:46] Speaker 2: go back. So now we're definitely going to go back
[43:49] Speaker 2: and investigate that again at some point, right? That fall was...
[43:56] Speaker 2: A warm night. It was, it was like September night
[43:59] Speaker 2: was September, late September, early October. It was a warm night.
[44:03] Speaker 2: And I gotta be honest with you. I grew up
[44:05] Speaker 2: in the city. I lived on the first floor. You
[44:07] Speaker 2: don't sleep with your windows open in the city. Someone
[44:10] Speaker 2: will come in if you sleep with the windows open. Right.
[44:13] Speaker 2: I live up in the country now, my bedrooms on
[44:15] Speaker 2: the first floor and I got the window open. Even
[44:20] Speaker 2: though every fiber of my being is telling me do
[44:23] Speaker 2: not sleep with the window open.
[44:24] Speaker 1: Right.
[44:25] Speaker 2: That particular night, it was so warm. We didn't have
[44:28] Speaker 2: the air conditions in the window. The fans were still
[44:31] Speaker 2: down in the basement, all sealed up for the winter
[44:34] Speaker 2: and everything. So I left the window open and my
[44:38] Speaker 2: little cat is sleeping in between my wife and I.
[44:42] Speaker 2: And like around three o'clock in the morning, I pop up.
[44:47] Speaker 2: I feel like something is on the other side of
[44:49] Speaker 2: the wall. So I reach over to the wall, and
[44:52] Speaker 2: I'm feeling the wall, like the energy coming through the wall.
[44:56] Speaker 2: And I don't know why I do this, but I
[44:57] Speaker 2: do it all the time, right? And I'm touching the wall,
[45:00] Speaker 2: and the energy does not feel Sasquatch's. I've had Sasquatch
[45:04] Speaker 2: come through my yards many times, leave me guess. But
[45:07] Speaker 2: this doesn't feel like a Sasquatch. All of a sudden,
[45:10] Speaker 2: the cat catches a whiff of something. She jumps straight
[45:13] Speaker 2: up in the air, runs upstairs, and hides under the
[45:15] Speaker 2: kid's bed. So now I'm looking out the window. I
[45:19] Speaker 2: got my face right up against the screen, and I'm
[45:21] Speaker 2: looking out the window, and I can't see Jack in
[45:24] Speaker 2: my backyard. It's pitch black. And I'm listening, and I'm looking,
[45:29] Speaker 2: and I hear something go, like, sniff me. And I
[45:34] Speaker 2: was like, okay. I stepped away from the window, closed
[45:38] Speaker 2: the window, I locked it. I keep a pistol grip
[45:41] Speaker 2: 12-gauge shotgun by my bed. It's right in between all
[45:45] Speaker 2: my guitars, right? So I grab the shotgun and I
[45:50] Speaker 2: start to walk out the bedroom through the living room
[45:53] Speaker 2: into the kitchen so I could put the sensor lights
[45:55] Speaker 2: in the yard to see what's out there. As I'm
[45:58] Speaker 2: walking in the living room, I hear that little voice
[46:01] Speaker 2: in my head say, stop. You don't want to see
[46:04] Speaker 2: what's out there. You don't want to turn that light on.
[46:07] Speaker 2: All you want to do is go to bed, go
[46:09] Speaker 2: back to bed, go back to sleep. Now, I don't
[46:11] Speaker 2: know if this is the creature telling me to do
[46:14] Speaker 2: this or if this is my guardian angel warning me that,
[46:18] Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to open that. You don't
[46:20] Speaker 2: want to turn that light on. So I do something
[46:22] Speaker 2: that's totally out of my out of my fiber, every
[46:25] Speaker 2: fiber of my being. I go back to bed. I
[46:28] Speaker 2: put the gun away and I go to sleep and
[46:32] Speaker 2: I wake up the next morning and I go to work.
[46:35] Speaker 2: And I called my partner during the day when I
[46:37] Speaker 2: take my lunch and tell him what's going on. And
[46:39] Speaker 2: he's like, well, you got to go back. You got
[46:40] Speaker 2: to look for footprints underneath the window, you know. And
[46:43] Speaker 2: we had just ran new water lines from the well
[46:48] Speaker 2: to the house. So there was a part of the
[46:51] Speaker 2: yard didn't have any grass on it. It was just
[46:53] Speaker 2: like topsoil and stuff, you know, dirt. So when I
[46:56] Speaker 2: went home that night, I went in the backyard and
[46:58] Speaker 2: I looked. And there underneath the bedroom window was a
[47:02] Speaker 2: claw mark, like three claw marks. Under my bedroom. Like, yeah,
[47:07] Speaker 2: I was here last night, you know? So I was like, okay, okay.
[47:12] Speaker 2: So I said, you're going to come to my house.
[47:14] Speaker 2: I'm going to come to your house, you know? And
[47:17] Speaker 2: so we, again, went back and we did more investigation
[47:24] Speaker 2: in the den area. You know, not so much. We
[47:27] Speaker 2: wanted to get a drone and fly it into the den,
[47:30] Speaker 2: but we never did that. But we did more investigation.
[47:33] Speaker 2: investigating in the den in the den area didn't took
[47:39] Speaker 2: more video of the den this time it was in
[47:43] Speaker 2: the winter time so the den wasn't quite as covered
[47:47] Speaker 2: you know what I mean all the vines and everything
[47:50] Speaker 2: that this thing had pulled over to make like a
[47:52] Speaker 2: canopy kind of thing were dead so you could see
[47:56] Speaker 2: into the den and we couldn't see anything into the
[47:59] Speaker 2: den on the camera because we zoomed right in you
[48:01] Speaker 2: know And so I said, okay, maybe it's not living
[48:05] Speaker 2: here anymore. You know, maybe it's moved on to a
[48:07] Speaker 2: different location. Okay. A few nights later, again, I go,
[48:14] Speaker 2: I'm sleeping. I get up before 30 in the morning
[48:17] Speaker 2: to go to work. First thing I do is I
[48:20] Speaker 2: open up the sliding door to the backyard, to the patio,
[48:23] Speaker 2: feed an outside cat. I got a little cat lives
[48:25] Speaker 2: in the dog house outside named Callie feed Callie. close everything.
[48:30] Speaker 2: I got like three different locks on my doors because
[48:32] Speaker 2: I'm from the city, you know, so I make sure
[48:35] Speaker 2: everything is locked up nice and tight because I know
[48:37] Speaker 2: how easy it is to pop one of those sliding
[48:39] Speaker 2: glass doors off the track, you know, if they're not
[48:41] Speaker 2: bolted in in three different directions. So I got everything
[48:45] Speaker 2: locked up. That particular morning, I think we were supposed
[48:48] Speaker 2: to get snow that night or something, and all the
[48:52] Speaker 2: cars were in the driveway. My car was the closest
[48:55] Speaker 2: to the road, and then there were three other cars
[48:57] Speaker 2: behind mine. My son's My daughters, my wife's. My daughters
[49:02] Speaker 2: are the one closest to the garage. So anyway, as
[49:05] Speaker 2: I'm walking back, as I'm walking out that morning to
[49:08] Speaker 2: start the car to warm it up, I feel like
[49:11] Speaker 2: something is watching me. So I turn around and I'm looking.
[49:15] Speaker 2: I don't see anything in my yard. I don't see
[49:17] Speaker 2: anything in my neighbor's yards. Can't see anything under the
[49:22] Speaker 2: front deck because the sensor lights are on. They're blinding me.
[49:25] Speaker 2: And under the deck, it's pitch black. So I shut
[49:27] Speaker 2: the car up. So now every morning when I walk out,
[49:30] Speaker 2: I'm carrying a can of pepper spray and a little
[49:33] Speaker 2: four-inch knife, pocket knife, because we've had dogs run through
[49:37] Speaker 2: the neighborhood tearing up garbages and I don't want to
[49:40] Speaker 2: get mauled by a dog, pack of dogs, wild dogs.
[49:43] Speaker 2: So I'm carrying something that's going to help me survive
[49:46] Speaker 2: that attack. So as I'm walking back to my front door,
[49:52] Speaker 2: I feel like there's something underneath the front deck looking
[49:55] Speaker 2: at me. So I start walking towards the front door.
[49:59] Speaker 2: Now the sets of lights is on. They're blinding me.
[50:01] Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I can't see. I'm getting closer and
[50:04] Speaker 2: I'm getting closer. And as I'm getting closer, I'm hearing
[50:07] Speaker 2: a little voice say, um, maybe you should stop right
[50:10] Speaker 2: about here. You know, it was like maybe a car
[50:13] Speaker 2: and a half length away from the deck and a
[50:15] Speaker 2: little voice said, maybe you should stop right about here.
[50:19] Speaker 2: And I didn't stop. I flicked open the night cause
[50:21] Speaker 2: I'm the type of guy, if there's somebody trying to
[50:24] Speaker 2: break into my house or some homeless guy hanging around
[50:27] Speaker 2: under my deck, I'm going to take care of them.
[50:30] Speaker 2: You know what I mean? They're not going to be
[50:31] Speaker 2: there for very long, you know? And, um, So as
[50:34] Speaker 2: I'm getting closer, I'm about halfway past my daughter's car,
[50:40] Speaker 2: just past the front door. The back door starts when
[50:44] Speaker 2: I notice a giant canine head looking at me. And
[50:53] Speaker 2: now I'm really focusing in, you know, and I'm looking
[50:57] Speaker 2: and I'm blocking out the light. I'm practically underneath the spotlight,
[51:01] Speaker 2: so it's not in my eyes. And I'm looking and
[51:03] Speaker 2: I see this giant canine head and it's hunched over
[51:08] Speaker 2: and it's got almost like a lion's mane coming down
[51:12] Speaker 2: its chest and over its shoulders. And little voice in
[51:16] Speaker 2: my head said, maybe you should back out of here carefully,
[51:19] Speaker 2: you know, because you know, and I know what's underneath
[51:23] Speaker 2: this deck and this is not going to end well
[51:25] Speaker 2: for you, right? This thing, if it wanted to, it
[51:28] Speaker 2: could have reached out and just shredded me, you know?
[51:32] Speaker 2: So I backed out and backed out. Now the thoughts
[51:35] Speaker 2: are going through my head. Do I wake up my
[51:37] Speaker 2: son and my son-in-law? I got an arsenal of guns
[51:41] Speaker 2: in the house, big caliber guns. Do I go to
[51:44] Speaker 2: war with this thing? Do I blow up the garage
[51:47] Speaker 2: door and everything, go to war with this thing? And
[51:50] Speaker 2: I say, no. I've heard too many stories where people
[51:54] Speaker 2: go to war with these things and it ends bad
[51:56] Speaker 2: for them. So I'm not going to tell anybody anything.
[52:00] Speaker 2: And I'm just going to go to work. And make
[52:02] Speaker 2: believe nothing happened. As I'm leaving to go to work,
[52:07] Speaker 2: I take my tactical flashlight out with me because I
[52:10] Speaker 2: want to get eyes on what's under the deck. So
[52:13] Speaker 2: I hit the tactical flashlight and it's really like, you know,
[52:16] Speaker 2: thousand lumens, really bright. So it goes right through the
[52:20] Speaker 2: sensor lights and I could see everything light up and
[52:23] Speaker 2: there's nothing under the front deck anymore. But I know
[52:26] Speaker 2: there was something under there. So I go there and look,
[52:29] Speaker 2: and I had just built a new retaining wall to
[52:32] Speaker 2: hold the deck up. And this thing pissed all over
[52:35] Speaker 2: my brand new retaining wall and down into my gutter
[52:39] Speaker 2: for the driveway, you know, the drain for the driveway.
[52:43] Speaker 2: And it was smelled like pneumonia and it was greasy
[52:46] Speaker 2: and it was slick looking. And I was like, I
[52:49] Speaker 2: was pissed. I was like, I just built this retaining
[52:52] Speaker 2: wall and it pissed all over my wall and it's
[52:55] Speaker 2: marking its territory. No, this is not, this is not
[52:58] Speaker 2: going to happen. Now I'm going to go back to
[53:00] Speaker 2: your house and piss on your house.
[53:02] Speaker 1: Right.
[53:03] Speaker 2: This is what's going through my head. You're not going
[53:05] Speaker 2: to come into my house and piss on my shit. And, um,
[53:09] Speaker 2: I go to work and I, again, I called my partner,
[53:12] Speaker 2: Brian up at lunchtime and I tell him what happened.
[53:15] Speaker 2: And he's like, no, I go to work and I
[53:18] Speaker 2: get to work early and I'm having coffee. I'm reading
[53:20] Speaker 2: the paper. And my wife, oh, as I'm walking towards
[53:25] Speaker 2: the deck, Callie, this little like seven-pound cat, is coming
[53:29] Speaker 2: around the front to use my wife's garden as a bathroom, right?
[53:33] Speaker 2: And she must have seen what was under the deck
[53:36] Speaker 2: because she did like a Halloween cat. She jumped straight
[53:39] Speaker 2: up in the air and she ran off into the woods.
[53:42] Speaker 2: And this seven-pound cat sounded like a freight train running
[53:45] Speaker 2: through the woods, right? Which definitely stopped me in my track.
[53:48] Speaker 2: I knew there was something there. So now I'm at work.
[53:52] Speaker 2: I'm down in the lunchroom. I'm having my coffee and
[53:54] Speaker 2: reading my paper, unwinding from the ride because it's like
[53:57] Speaker 2: an hour and 15 minute ride for me to get
[53:59] Speaker 2: to work. So I'm unwinding from the ride. And my
[54:03] Speaker 2: wife calls me up and she's hysterical. I'm like, what's wrong?
[54:08] Speaker 2: And she's like, I went in the kitchen this morning
[54:10] Speaker 2: to open up the sliding door to feed Callie. And
[54:14] Speaker 2: the whole door came off the frame and almost crushed me.
[54:18] Speaker 2: If my son wasn't in the kitchen with her, and
[54:21] Speaker 2: caught it, it would have crushed my wife. And I
[54:24] Speaker 2: was like, first of all, why are you feeding the cat?
[54:26] Speaker 2: I fed the cat at 4 30 in the morning.
[54:28] Speaker 2: You don't have to feed it again at seven, you know?
[54:30] Speaker 2: And I said, just have my, my son, Nick, I said,
[54:33] Speaker 2: just have Nick put the door back up, lock everything up.
[54:37] Speaker 2: I'm off tomorrow. I'll take it off. I'll retract the
[54:39] Speaker 2: whole thing, you know? And so while I was underneath
[54:44] Speaker 2: the deck, looking at it's pissed off of my wall,
[54:49] Speaker 2: it must've been trying to pop the door, the sliding
[54:52] Speaker 2: glass door off of his tracks on the patio on
[54:55] Speaker 2: the back, like kind of showing me, this is how
[54:57] Speaker 2: easy it is to get in there if I want
[54:59] Speaker 2: to get in, you know? Yeah. And that, that kind of,
[55:05] Speaker 2: at that point I was like, okay, you know what?
[55:07] Speaker 2: Maybe we just gonna, you're going to, I went back
[55:10] Speaker 2: to the den area and I just spoke out loud
[55:15] Speaker 2: and I said, okay, I got the message. I won't
[55:19] Speaker 2: come to your house anymore, but you don't come to
[55:21] Speaker 2: mine either. And from that point on, I haven't had
[55:25] Speaker 2: any experiences with the dog man around the house. But Saturday, Sunday,
[55:31] Speaker 2: I was cutting grass and I did find a canine
[55:34] Speaker 2: track in the backyard, you know, wasn't able to cast it.
[55:39] Speaker 2: I mean, to measure it because I just had too
[55:41] Speaker 2: much work to do. I had to get shit done
[55:43] Speaker 2: because it was going to rain the next three days.
[55:45] Speaker 2: So then I was going to measure it yesterday, but, well,
[55:48] Speaker 2: you had storms the last two days. And when I
[55:51] Speaker 2: went out to measure it, I took photographs of it,
[55:54] Speaker 2: and I sent it to my friends, you know, because,
[55:57] Speaker 2: you know, we're the New York State Dogman Project, and
[56:00] Speaker 2: we're also the North American Dogman Project New York State
[56:04] Speaker 2: Chapter Directors, me and my partner, Brian. So I sent
[56:07] Speaker 2: it to the guys at the Dogman Project, and I said,
[56:10] Speaker 2: what do you guys think? And they're like, did you
[56:12] Speaker 2: measure it? Yeah, go measure it. So I went out
[56:14] Speaker 2: to measure it yesterday, but it's underwater, you know, and
[56:17] Speaker 2: we've been getting storms every day. So I don't even
[56:20] Speaker 2: know if it's going to be there when all the
[56:23] Speaker 2: storms eventually pass. But that's the dogman story at the house.
[56:27] Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think that there may be authorities or
[56:31] Speaker 1: some sort of officials that are aware that these creatures
[56:35] Speaker 1: exist and they have instructions to keep it silent for
[56:40] Speaker 1: some reason or cover it up somehow?
[56:44] Speaker 2: Yes, there was an incident with me. I don't talk
[56:48] Speaker 2: about it too often, but I was ran out of
[56:53] Speaker 2: the woods by who I called the men in black.
[56:56] Speaker 2: They weren't actually men in black, but I was on
[57:02] Speaker 2: my way home from work one day. And it's a
[57:04] Speaker 2: long ride, you know, and I don't speed. I'm not
[57:08] Speaker 2: a speeder. I'm a cruiser. I'm in the right lane
[57:10] Speaker 2: doing 65, listening to Leonard Skinner, just chilling out, riding home.
[57:15] Speaker 2: And a police car falls out of the sky behind
[57:18] Speaker 2: me and it's following me and it's following me. And
[57:21] Speaker 2: I'm like, all of a sudden the lights go on
[57:24] Speaker 2: and they tell me to pull over. Now where they
[57:26] Speaker 2: had me pull over was an old abandoned ski resort.
[57:31] Speaker 2: And right now there's nothing there, but, uh, New York state, uh, police, um, outpost,
[57:39] Speaker 2: you know, but there's never anybody there, but they're using
[57:41] Speaker 2: it for construction. So they got these giant piles of
[57:45] Speaker 2: dirt all over this giant parking lot. Parking lot is humongous,
[57:49] Speaker 2: you know, and they, they pull up and they say,
[57:51] Speaker 2: go behind that pile of dirt. And I'm like, this
[57:54] Speaker 2: is not good. Right. So I pulled, I pulled behind
[57:57] Speaker 2: a pile of dirt and they're talking to me through
[57:59] Speaker 2: their microphones. Right. And they're saying, okay, Leave your seatbelt on,
[58:05] Speaker 2: roll down both windows, take the keys out of ignition,
[58:08] Speaker 2: throw them on the floor on the passenger side.
[58:12] Speaker 1: Okay.
[58:12] Speaker 2: Now, to me, it's starting to feel like a hit.
[58:15] Speaker 2: I feel like I'm getting whacked, you know? I'm like,
[58:18] Speaker 2: what's going on? These two big dudes, they look like
[58:23] Speaker 2: Arnold Schwarzenegger, came out in his police car. Their badges
[58:27] Speaker 2: didn't match the car. And... One guy pulls out this
[58:34] Speaker 2: little black book and he, is this you? And then
[58:37] Speaker 2: he goes through like my whole life story, you know?
[58:39] Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's me. And he like,
[58:42] Speaker 2: stay out of our woods. You may think you know
[58:45] Speaker 2: what's in our woods. Now at this time, I was
[58:48] Speaker 2: in the middle of a dogman investigation at a different location.
[58:54] Speaker 2: It was like in a different location that had a
[58:58] Speaker 2: lot of dogman stuff going on. And I was there.
[59:01] Speaker 2: with my team doing a lot of investigating. Not that
[59:04] Speaker 2: I seen anybody else in the woods when we were there,
[59:08] Speaker 2: but they knew I was there. And then they're like,
[59:12] Speaker 2: stay out of our woods. And I got these two
[59:14] Speaker 2: monsters on either side of me. And I'm thinking, oh man,
[59:18] Speaker 2: I'm going to get whacked. They're going to whack me,
[59:20] Speaker 2: throw the gun in the car and say I committed suicide,
[59:22] Speaker 2: you know? And, and then they're threatening me with all
[59:25] Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. Like, you know, It would be a
[59:28] Speaker 2: shame if you lost your pension so close to retirement.
[59:32] Speaker 2: And even stuff that pales to that. I'm not even
[59:37] Speaker 2: going to say what they said on air. I'll tell
[59:40] Speaker 2: you off air, but not on air. I mean, crazy,
[59:43] Speaker 2: crazy stuff, right? And they're screaming at me from both ends.
[59:47] Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, I go, wait a minute. Show me
[59:50] Speaker 2: some ID. Show me a badge. But that's nothing. Anybody
[59:54] Speaker 2: can have a badge. They go, you want to see
[59:56] Speaker 2: my ID? I go, yeah, I want to see your ID,
[59:57] Speaker 2: you know? And he showed me his gun. He goes,
[59:59] Speaker 2: this is my ID. And I was like, oh, that's
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: a good idea. Yeah, I recognize that one, you know? Absolutely, yeah.
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: I get it, you know? And so then one guy
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: starts screaming at me, tell your effing partner to stay
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: out of the woods as well. And I was like, well, listen,
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: my partner is a grown man, and he thinks for himself,
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: and he's going to do whatever he wants to do.
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: I will relay the message, but, you know, don't blame
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: me if he doesn't stay out of the woods. And
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: they go, well, my partner happened to live in the Bronx,
[1:00:35] Speaker 2: New York City. And they said, well, it would be
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: a shame if we had to kick his door down
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: at three o'clock in the morning and arrest him for
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: being a domestic terrorist. No, how do you say it? No, no,
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: there's no wonder what kind of guns we'll find in
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: his apartment. And I know my partner, my partner doesn't
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: have any guns. He can't get up and you can't
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: get a gun in New York city. It's impossible, you know?
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like, okay, I'll pass
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: the message along, you know? And I told my partner
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: and he was like, well, you know, he ended up
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: buying a two way camera for his car in case
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: they ever pulled him over. But, um, you know, he
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: kind of stayed out of the woods, you know, kind
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: of kept me out of the woods for two years,
[1:01:17] Speaker 2: you know? Um, but, We used to do two monthly meetings,
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: one down in Westchester, which was the Bronxville Paranormal Society
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: evidence review stuff we did at a library. And we
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: would invite friends of ours to come and look at
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: our evidence, you know, fresh eyes, you know what I mean?
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: To see if we're missing anything because we, Apparently, we
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: missed a Bigfoot looking at us one time, too, from
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: underneath the tree. Somebody sent me a picture saying, you know,
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: there was a Bigfoot under this tree looking at you.
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: And again, they sent me the photograph, and I thought
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: it was Photoshopped. And again, I pulled the SD card out,
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: and sure as shit, it was there watching us. And
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: I think it was the same one that threw the
[1:02:01] Speaker 2: rock at us that night. I think it was just
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: sticking around, you know what I mean, to keep an
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: eye on us. um and sure shit it was there
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: was mind-boggling so and then we did another one up
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: here by me where we would do a ufo thing
[1:02:18] Speaker 2: you know we would have people come and be and
[1:02:20] Speaker 2: we talked basically ufos but we talked about everything ghost
[1:02:24] Speaker 2: and you know cryptids as well you know so the
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: guy one of the guys says to me oh you
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: know we always felt like We had people coming in
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: to the meeting upstate. So we held it at a restaurant.
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: And we felt like every now and then we would get, like,
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: these government guys come in. I would point some guy out.
[1:02:45] Speaker 2: I'm like, Brian, go. Yeah, absolutely. He's definitely a Fed,
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: you know. And so the one guy says to me,
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: he says, oh, by the way, what are you guys
[1:02:56] Speaker 2: going to discuss Thursday night at the meeting? And I
[1:02:59] Speaker 2: started laughing, you know. I was like, well. it's UFOs,
[1:03:04] Speaker 2: you know? And he says, yeah, he goes, stick, stick
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: with shit that nobody gives a shit about. He says,
[1:03:10] Speaker 2: and stay out of our woods. And I was like, yeah,
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: we're going to stick with UFOs. I told him, I said,
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: mama didn't raise no fool. We're going to talk UFOs,
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: you know? And, and we, and then we had our
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: regular UFO meeting that Thursday night and we didn't see
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: any people come in that looked suspicious, you know? So,
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: We don't know if they were there that night or
[1:03:32] Speaker 2: if they were sitting outside listening with a microphone or whatever,
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: you know what I mean? A parabolic mic or whatever.
[1:03:37] Speaker 2: But yeah, it was crazy. But I mean, kept me
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: out of the woods for two years because it was,
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: when I tell you the shit they told me off air,
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: it'll freak you out because it freaked me out. You
[1:03:49] Speaker 2: know what I mean?
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:03:51] Speaker 2: These guys, these guys were not joking. They were not
[1:03:55] Speaker 2: playing by any stretch of the imagination. They were, they
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: look like special ops guys. The badges didn't match the cars.
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: They didn't look like cops, like state cops. You know
[1:04:06] Speaker 2: what I mean? They were driving park police cars, but
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: the badges were like state police badges, and it didn't match.
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: State police drive black, blue, and gold cars here in
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: New York, and the park police drive white and green. So,
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: you know, and they have different uniforms. They have different badges.
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: I looked it up to see what the badges look like.
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: And the badges they showed me were state badges, not
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: park badges, you know, but they were dry. I think
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: they just went to like either the state police headquarters,
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: pulled two badges off the wall that were retired maybe,
[1:04:46] Speaker 2: and grabbed the first set of keys they could find that,
[1:04:50] Speaker 2: you know, it was a park police. And then for
[1:04:52] Speaker 2: like a month, every time I pass this location on
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: the way to work or on the way off work,
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: a police car would drop out of the sky and
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: follow me for like a couple of miles. And it
[1:05:04] Speaker 2: didn't matter if I went there at 4.30 in the morning,
[1:05:07] Speaker 2: 5 o'clock, 5.30, 4 o'clock. No matter how I changed
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: it up, as soon as I passed this particular location,
[1:05:17] Speaker 2: a police car would drop out of the sky and
[1:05:19] Speaker 2: follow me for at least a couple of exits. And
[1:05:22] Speaker 2: it was their way of telling me, We're still watching you,
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: you know? And I was like, dude, I get it
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: loud and clear. You know what I mean? That's not
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: the first.
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: Time I have heard this very thing that clandestine seeming
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: men in black type groups are threatening people or following
[1:05:42] Speaker 1: people that have had encounters with these dog man creatures.
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: And it seems like there are.
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: Incredibly focused on keeping people from finding out anything about
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: what's going on with this and it reminds me of
[1:06:00] Speaker 1: some of the accounts i've heard from people in joshua
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: tree national park national park that have also seen these
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: dogman creatures one of them claimed that he hit one
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: with his car and within seconds he had these men
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: in black type vehicles pull up around him and tell
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: him he didn't see anything that he has to get
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: going and they were going to take care of it.
[1:06:22] Speaker 1: So that's very interesting, man.
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, we just did. We just did. Brian and I,
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: Brian lives in Florida now, but he came up for
[1:06:29] Speaker 2: the summer. And we just did a Dogman presentation in
[1:06:33] Speaker 2: Pine Bush, New York, which is the New York State
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: UFO capital. But they have a museum and they asked
[1:06:39] Speaker 2: me to put a presentation together, a Dogman presentation. And
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: I asked Brian since he was in town if he
[1:06:45] Speaker 2: wanted to participate with me. And we just did this
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: long presentation. It's like a three hour presentation. And I
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: told the audience, I wasn't sure if I was going
[1:06:55] Speaker 2: to tell them or not, but at one point I
[1:06:57] Speaker 2: told the audience about the code words that they use,
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: you know, and there was two guys in the, in the,
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: in the, in the audience that looked like narcs and
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: they were taking notes. So after the, after the presentation
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: was over, they happened to be standing by my camera
[1:07:13] Speaker 2: that I had set up to film. I went over
[1:07:15] Speaker 2: to him and I said, FBI and NSA, you know
[1:07:20] Speaker 2: what I mean? Just jokingly. And they both started laughing.
[1:07:23] Speaker 3: They're like, no, no, no.
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: We have a podcast and we're, you know, we follow
[1:07:26] Speaker 2: you guys and, you know, we love you guys and yada, yada, yada.
[1:07:30] Speaker 2: And then one of them said something to me, he goes,
[1:07:31] Speaker 2: you know, my uncle's a state trooper and he's been
[1:07:35] Speaker 2: a trooper for a long time. And he goes, I
[1:07:38] Speaker 2: asked him about that code word that you, you said
[1:07:41] Speaker 2: they use. And he goes, And my uncle didn't talk
[1:07:45] Speaker 2: to me for six months. He said, don't ever use
[1:07:47] Speaker 2: that around me ever again. Huh? He goes, so we go.
[1:07:50] Speaker 2: So when you said that, he goes, you validated yourself
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: so much to me. He said, because if you would
[1:07:57] Speaker 2: have used a different code word, I would have known
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: you were full of shit. He goes, but because you
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: used it, And I had already mentioned it to my
[1:08:05] Speaker 2: uncle who's like, you know, high up in the, in
[1:08:07] Speaker 2: the state police. And he got mad at me and
[1:08:10] Speaker 2: he said, don't ever, don't ever talk to me about
[1:08:12] Speaker 2: that ever again. And don't ever use that code word
[1:08:14] Speaker 2: ever again. He goes, I knew you, he goes, I
[1:08:17] Speaker 2: knew you were spot on from that moment on. He said,
[1:08:20] Speaker 2: I was like, very cool. I said, I don't, I
[1:08:22] Speaker 2: said I wasn't really sure if I was going to
[1:08:25] Speaker 2: tell everybody because, you know, I like to keep stuff
[1:08:28] Speaker 2: a secret to validate people when they tell me, when
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: they give me information to see if they're full of
[1:08:33] Speaker 2: shit or not, you know. And I have some things
[1:08:36] Speaker 2: I use to keep in my back pocket to validate stuff,
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: and that was one of them. But that particular night,
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: I felt strongly about dropping those code words, you know,
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: because I actually asked everybody, I was like, how many
[1:08:50] Speaker 2: of you guys listen to police scanners? You don't know.
[1:08:52] Speaker 2: And a lot of, cause we're up in the country.
[1:08:54] Speaker 2: A lot of people listen to police scanners, you know? And, uh,
[1:08:58] Speaker 2: and I said, okay, well, if you ever had these
[1:09:01] Speaker 2: three code words, this means this, this means this, and
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: this means this. And they were like, get out of here.
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah.
[1:09:07] Speaker 1: I don't guess you'd be able to, to, to relay
[1:09:09] Speaker 1: those code words here.
[1:09:10] Speaker 2: Oh, I'll tell you off there. Sure. All right.
[1:09:14] Speaker 1: All right.
[1:09:14] Speaker 2: All right. I don't want to give away all my,
[1:09:17] Speaker 2: all my secrets and stuff, you know, This is years
[1:09:21] Speaker 2: and years and years of research. I just don't want
[1:09:23] Speaker 2: to give it away to people who are armchair researchers
[1:09:28] Speaker 2: and claim to be boots on the ground.
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: Right on, right on. Well, we've got a few minutes left.
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: Let's do this. What are your thoughts on what these
[1:09:37] Speaker 1: creatures are? Do you think that they're supernatural beings, shapeshifters?
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: Are they from different dimensions? Are they just hominids? lost
[1:09:45] Speaker 1: humanoids that have been around forever or extraterrestrials. What do
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: you think?
[1:09:50] Speaker 2: Well, well, we know, we know, we know one thing
[1:09:53] Speaker 2: that the dog man and the Bigfoot both have human
[1:09:56] Speaker 2: DNA in them. Okay. So we know that the female,
[1:10:00] Speaker 2: the mitochondrial DNA is human. The nuclear DNA, the, um,
[1:10:05] Speaker 2: the male DNA is unknown. So we know they have
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: some kind of human trait in them.
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: Um, now where did you get the dna information from.
[1:10:15] Speaker 2: Oh melville dr melville ketchum she uh she did it
[1:10:21] Speaker 2: she did a dna study on bolt um i don't
[1:10:23] Speaker 2: know if her dog man dna stuff is out yet
[1:10:26] Speaker 2: i probably shouldn't have said anything but um her no
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: i know her bigfoot stuff is and she's legit yeah
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: she's legit okay and um so um Uh, so, you know,
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: we know that I've been to enough symposiums where I've
[1:10:43] Speaker 2: been lucky enough to sit world renowned psychics. And whenever
[1:10:48] Speaker 2: I'm sitting at a table with anybody that impress me,
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: I like to pick their brains and every single one
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: I've asked said the same thing to me. They're interdimensional beings.
[1:11:04] Speaker 2: as far as Bigfoot is concerned. As far as Dogman
[1:11:08] Speaker 2: is concerned, there's a couple of different species. One is interdimensional.
[1:11:16] Speaker 2: One is flesh and blood that's actually just here. And
[1:11:22] Speaker 2: one is demonic in nature, like an evil entity from
[1:11:30] Speaker 2: a different dimension that can pop in and out, and
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: they would tell me, the way they explained it to
[1:11:35] Speaker 2: me is, you know, there are the ones that you
[1:11:39] Speaker 2: shoot and you can't find the body, those are the
[1:11:42] Speaker 2: interdimensional ones. There are some that you shoot that they
[1:11:45] Speaker 2: can put down, and I know people who've put them down,
[1:11:49] Speaker 2: you know what I mean, have killed them. And then
[1:11:51] Speaker 2: there's the ones that just pop up in your living
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: room or in your bedroom in the middle of the
[1:11:57] Speaker 2: night and it looks like a dog man, and those
[1:12:00] Speaker 2: are the ones they claim to be interdimensional demonic entities.
[1:12:05] Speaker 2: They can show themselves. They're like a shapeshifter. They can
[1:12:08] Speaker 2: show themselves to you anywhere they want. Usually it's whatever
[1:12:14] Speaker 2: scares you the most.
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: You said there are folks that have put them down.
[1:12:17] Speaker 1: What did they do with the bodies? Did they save
[1:12:19] Speaker 1: the evidence?
[1:12:21] Speaker 2: Some people burnt them. I know at least three different people.
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: One group burnt it. burnt everything one group chopped everything
[1:12:31] Speaker 2: up and put lye over it and buried it and
[1:12:36] Speaker 2: the third group what did the third group do i'm wondering.
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they come out and reveal this to the
[1:12:44] Speaker 1: to the world that these creatures exist.
[1:12:48] Speaker 2: For the same reason that the guys will stop me
[1:12:51] Speaker 2: on the parkway.
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: Okay okay they've been yeah.
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: Yeah no yeah yeah yeah no i'm Um, and the
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: third group, I forgot what the third group did with them.
[1:13:00] Speaker 2: I know there was that burnt one, burnt one buried.
[1:13:03] Speaker 2: And I don't remember what the third one did with it, but, um,
[1:13:06] Speaker 2: they definitely got, they got rid of the evidence. Yeah. Um,
[1:13:10] Speaker 2: they don't leave any evidence lying around because they're not there.
[1:13:15] Speaker 2: They're not trying to prove the existence of these things.
[1:13:18] Speaker 2: They're just trying to, uh, get rid of them in
[1:13:21] Speaker 2: their areas. You know what I mean? So, um, I mean,
[1:13:25] Speaker 2: it's crazy stuff. And again, like I said, as far
[1:13:29] Speaker 2: as the Bigfoots go, I believe they are interdimensional. I
[1:13:33] Speaker 2: think they can change the spectrum of light they're in
[1:13:35] Speaker 2: so that we can't see them. I've spoken to so
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: many hunters. I mean, so many hunters who have had
[1:13:42] Speaker 2: them in the crosshairs of their guns. And then the
[1:13:45] Speaker 2: Bigfoot will do like a sniff and then look in
[1:13:48] Speaker 2: their direction like they catch a whiff of them. And
[1:13:50] Speaker 2: they look in their direction and they just blink out.
[1:13:53] Speaker 2: And he goes, I don't know if they just... blinked
[1:13:55] Speaker 2: out like I dream a genie and went somewhere else
[1:13:58] Speaker 2: or they just turned invisible or what, or if they're
[1:14:01] Speaker 2: still standing there and they're not moving because I can't
[1:14:04] Speaker 2: see them, but they're just totally disappeared, you know? So
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, no, I get it. You know,
[1:14:11] Speaker 2: it's like, people are confused. I've had friends my whole life,
[1:14:16] Speaker 2: guys I've grown, went to school with, family members, people,
[1:14:21] Speaker 2: my neighbors, that are big hunters, and I hear the
[1:14:25] Speaker 2: same shit from them. For 30 years, I've heard the
[1:14:28] Speaker 2: same thing. I've been hunting all my life. I've never
[1:14:31] Speaker 2: seen anything. How come I've never seen it? Every single
[1:14:34] Speaker 2: one of them has called me at one point and said, dude,
[1:14:38] Speaker 2: you're not going to believe what I've seen today. And
[1:14:41] Speaker 2: every single one of them never went back to their
[1:14:44] Speaker 2: hunting locations that they hunted for 25 years. They're done
[1:14:48] Speaker 2: with the hunting in that location, and every single one
[1:14:52] Speaker 2: of them had a different A different experience, but they'd
[1:14:56] Speaker 2: all seen Bigfoot creatures, yeah. And it was just like,
[1:14:59] Speaker 2: and I don't call them creatures. I mean, I believe
[1:15:01] Speaker 2: they're people, you know, they have human DNA. I did
[1:15:05] Speaker 2: have one guy say something to me one time. I
[1:15:07] Speaker 2: was like, I don't know if they're part human because
[1:15:09] Speaker 2: they have human DNA. And then the guy said to me, well,
[1:15:12] Speaker 2: maybe we're part Bigfoot and we got our DNA from them.
[1:15:15] Speaker 2: And I was like, whoa, you just blew my mind.
[1:15:18] Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
[1:15:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. There could be some kind of DNA connection.
[1:15:23] Speaker 1: I know that there's evidence that we had giants in
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: our ancient past. Maybe these are remnants of the giants
[1:15:30] Speaker 1: from our ancient past. There's so many theories that these
[1:15:34] Speaker 1: could be, but it's very interesting. And Al, thank you
[1:15:37] Speaker 1: so much. This was fantastic. We're going to have to
[1:15:39] Speaker 1: do this again because there's so much more we could
[1:15:41] Speaker 1: talk about. That went by very quickly.
[1:15:44] Speaker 2: This is just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah. Yeah, man.
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: Before you go, let the audience know where they can
[1:15:49] Speaker 1: find out more about you. If you got any content
[1:15:52] Speaker 1: out there, all your good stuff.
[1:15:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, we got it. We got a Bronxville paranormal society,
[1:15:56] Speaker 2: YouTube page. We have our own website. We have a
[1:16:00] Speaker 2: hotline for the BPS website. We have a hotline for
[1:16:03] Speaker 2: the New York state UFO project. Um, we also have
[1:16:07] Speaker 2: Facebook pages for the New York state UFO project, Bronxville
[1:16:10] Speaker 2: paranormal society, uh, New York state dog man project, New
[1:16:15] Speaker 2: York state Sasquatch organization. That's, you know, I'm the founder
[1:16:19] Speaker 2: and director of all of those and my partner Brian
[1:16:21] Speaker 2: is as well. And so if you guys want to
[1:16:25] Speaker 2: contact us, you can call the hotline and the other
[1:16:28] Speaker 2: Brian and I will pick up, or you can shoot
[1:16:30] Speaker 2: me an email or text me on Facebook messenger. I'm
[1:16:33] Speaker 2: always around Facebook. I, I can't do every single social
[1:16:37] Speaker 2: media site in the world. I just don't have the time.
[1:16:40] Speaker 2: So I kind of just hover around Facebook.
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: Today I want to welcome back to the show Rob Rene.
[1:16:45] Speaker 1: He grew up as a gifted athlete and runner with
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: an interest in health and using food and nutrients to
[1:16:52] Speaker 1: fuel your body. After getting hit by a truck and
[1:16:56] Speaker 1: getting thrown 36 feet and nearly losing his life and
[1:17:00] Speaker 1: his dream of becoming a professional runner, he struggled for
[1:17:04] Speaker 1: years with addiction and a lack of clear direction. He
[1:17:08] Speaker 1: became a researcher on the takeover of our medical system, frequencies,
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: and quantum energy. Through this research, he founded the Quantum
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: Energy Solutions that are helping people get off of addictive
[1:17:21] Speaker 1: big pharma medications. He founded QE Strong, a company dedicated
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: to utilizing unique all-natural solutions to improve people's health. Rob,
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: welcome back. How you doing?
[1:17:34] Speaker 3: I am fantastic. It's a pleasure to be here.
[1:17:39] Speaker 1: Yes, a pleasure to have you back. I enjoyed our
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: conversation last time. Today, we're going to further explore your
[1:17:45] Speaker 1: research into quantum energy and healing, as well as bring
[1:17:49] Speaker 1: awareness about the true dangers of our modern medical industry.
[1:17:54] Speaker 1: We grow up with the notion that doctors, teachers, politicians,
[1:17:57] Speaker 1: and scientists to be the end-all be-all of information and authority.
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: when the reality is the entire system of perceived reality
[1:18:08] Speaker 1: is in place to prevent us from perceiving the truth,
[1:18:13] Speaker 1: opening our awareness and understanding to who and what we
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: really are and why we're here. And you've been helping
[1:18:20] Speaker 1: people connect with their body's ability to heal with the
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: etheric energy that really permeates our reality. And we're going
[1:18:28] Speaker 1: to discuss that. And we've got lots more to get into, but,
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: Before we do, remind the audience about yourself and what
[1:18:35] Speaker 1: led you down your path.
[1:18:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds good. So I'm Robert A., and I'm the
[1:18:40] Speaker 3: CEO of a company we founded called QE Strong for
[1:18:43] Speaker 3: Quantum Energy Strong. And it really came about just because
[1:18:48] Speaker 3: of my frustration. with what's going on in the medical industry.
[1:18:53] Speaker 3: I literally, I feel the Lord led me to this
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: gentleman who, as I started doing research on COVID, I
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: go back to my history and I tell people I've
[1:19:05] Speaker 3: been hit by COVID. Two trucks. The first the first
[1:19:08] Speaker 3: truck in my life was a physical truck. I literally
[1:19:10] Speaker 3: got hit by a four by four truck when I
[1:19:12] Speaker 3: was out training. I was a runner back in my
[1:19:15] Speaker 3: my history. And the was my goal in life was
[1:19:20] Speaker 3: to be a professional runner. So I was out training
[1:19:22] Speaker 3: on a 10 mile run and got hit by a
[1:19:24] Speaker 3: truck and, you know, almost ended my life there. But,
[1:19:28] Speaker 3: you know, thank goodness a friend of mine saved my
[1:19:31] Speaker 3: life that day. And we can talk about that some
[1:19:34] Speaker 3: other time. But the second truck that hit me was
[1:19:37] Speaker 3: the same truck that almost everybody in the whole entire
[1:19:39] Speaker 3: world was hit by was the COVID pandemic. And so
[1:19:44] Speaker 3: that one really frustrated me. I lost my job and
[1:19:46] Speaker 3: started trying to dig into what was going on. And
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: I saw a lot of the censorship that was happening.
[1:19:51] Speaker 3: And I was like, This just doesn't make sense. And
[1:19:54] Speaker 3: just maybe a year before that happened, my brother red
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: pilled me. So, you know, he he taught me about
[1:20:01] Speaker 3: mockingbird media.
[1:20:02] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:20:03] Speaker 3: And so I immediately was really cautious about all the
[1:20:06] Speaker 3: information they were they were telling us about COVID. And
[1:20:10] Speaker 3: so I just started doing what any good anon would
[1:20:13] Speaker 3: do nowadays. which is go do your own research, right?
[1:20:16] Speaker 3: So I dug in and said, okay, I'm not going
[1:20:20] Speaker 3: to believe anything that people are telling me just because
[1:20:22] Speaker 3: you can see how programmatic it was, right? The vilification
[1:20:27] Speaker 3: of all natural health doctors was off the charts. And
[1:20:30] Speaker 3: it's like, man, these people are just trying to help people.
[1:20:33] Speaker 3: Why are we like, you know, vilifying them and putting
[1:20:37] Speaker 3: them in jail and suing them? And it's just like,
[1:20:39] Speaker 3: what the heck? This just doesn't make any any logical
[1:20:42] Speaker 3: sense to me. I'm a very logical person. So as
[1:20:45] Speaker 3: I was digging into that research, man, you know, what
[1:20:48] Speaker 3: I found is really pissed me off to be honest.
[1:20:51] Speaker 3: So just like, this is pathetic. It's like, they're not there.
[1:20:54] Speaker 3: You know, the system isn't set up for our success.
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: And then I know a lot of doctors and a
[1:21:00] Speaker 3: lot of nurses who are amazing, right? They do fantastic jobs.
[1:21:03] Speaker 3: Their hearts are great. They really do want to help people,
[1:21:07] Speaker 3: but man, what they've been taught and the way that
[1:21:10] Speaker 3: they've been taught is just unfortunate. It's not set up
[1:21:14] Speaker 3: to really help with what God gave us, right? God
[1:21:19] Speaker 3: gave us an amazing system, and we just need to
[1:21:23] Speaker 3: get back to the point where we help our bodies
[1:21:26] Speaker 3: do what it's supposed to do, and then we find
[1:21:29] Speaker 3: people who know how to do that and get help
[1:21:32] Speaker 3: from the right experts now, right? That's what I'm I'm
[1:21:35] Speaker 3: really working hard to do, and that's why we created
[1:21:38] Speaker 3: QE Strong. It was like, my gosh, big pharma is
[1:21:41] Speaker 3: just getting drugs out there like crazy. One of the
[1:21:45] Speaker 3: research articles I read recently was that the average senior
[1:21:50] Speaker 3: is on 15 different medications in a year period, prescription
[1:21:54] Speaker 3: medications in a year period. That's just pathetic, and we
[1:21:58] Speaker 3: can't have that because every pill that they take, you
[1:22:01] Speaker 3: listen to every pharmaceutical company commercial and what do they
[1:22:07] Speaker 3: spend the last two minutes telling you, right?
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: Sudden death, anal bleeding, all these horrible things.
[1:22:14] Speaker 3: All the things this thing could do for you. And
[1:22:16] Speaker 3: when you listen to them, they're horrifying, right? And so
[1:22:20] Speaker 3: you take one of those pills and then guess what?
[1:22:22] Speaker 3: You know, eventually it's going to cause one of those
[1:22:24] Speaker 3: side effects more than likely. And then you go to
[1:22:27] Speaker 3: that doctor, you go to that specialist and that specialist
[1:22:29] Speaker 3: helps you with that particular problem. So he gives you
[1:22:31] Speaker 3: another pill and then, you know, it's just a cycle of,
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: and just really bad one. And so I've created this
[1:22:38] Speaker 3: company to really just help people get, relieve a lot
[1:22:42] Speaker 3: of the symptoms that happen that cause people to go
[1:22:45] Speaker 3: get those medications. Like our marquee products, a pain relief product, which,
[1:22:50] Speaker 3: but chronic pain is, is just rampant among, you know,
[1:22:54] Speaker 3: people that are 40 plus, it's just really, really bad.
[1:22:57] Speaker 3: So people are taking all sorts of medications. And so
[1:23:00] Speaker 3: we're really working hard to, to get them off of those.
[1:23:04] Speaker 3: And if they can use something that's 100% natural, no
[1:23:07] Speaker 3: drugs whatsoever, and just uses what God gave us, then wow, bam,
[1:23:11] Speaker 3: we're making some, we're making some progress, right? So that's
[1:23:15] Speaker 3: my mission is to just help people do this in
[1:23:18] Speaker 3: a way that is good for them, and then try
[1:23:22] Speaker 3: to help educate them on this whole all natural, holistic
[1:23:28] Speaker 3: way of of life that then we can improve ourselves, right?
[1:23:32] Speaker 3: I'm digging into biohacking and just other things that are
[1:23:35] Speaker 3: really important. You know, I got my wife even since
[1:23:38] Speaker 3: December 1st to do some cold plunges with me, which, wow,
[1:23:43] Speaker 3: you know, that's something that she hates cold. So for
[1:23:47] Speaker 3: her to actually get in a cold, we have an
[1:23:51] Speaker 3: actual pool, but our pool is like 54 degrees. I
[1:23:54] Speaker 3: think it's 46 degrees this morning. So it's cold. And
[1:23:59] Speaker 3: to do that for a couple of minutes is not
[1:24:02] Speaker 3: easy to do. But then when you start learning the
[1:24:05] Speaker 3: benefits of these things, you're like, oh, my gosh, of
[1:24:08] Speaker 3: course I want to do that.
[1:24:09] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:24:09] Speaker 3: Because it's like natural in your body. Body is doing
[1:24:13] Speaker 3: the things to help like the cold therapy. One is
[1:24:16] Speaker 3: awesome in the respect that. you just feel it wakes
[1:24:19] Speaker 3: you up. You're vibrant. Your mind is more clear. You
[1:24:22] Speaker 3: have your, the blood rushes to, to your skin to
[1:24:25] Speaker 3: help warm you up and you warm up naturally over time.
[1:24:28] Speaker 3: And then you, then you, if you exercise during that period,
[1:24:31] Speaker 3: your exercise is amplified. There's so many good, healthy benefits
[1:24:36] Speaker 3: of doing so. That's just like, bang, that's just one thing. Right.
[1:24:39] Speaker 3: And you could, I could go on for, you know,
[1:24:42] Speaker 3: the whole, the whole episode, just talking about the fun,
[1:24:45] Speaker 3: fun ways that you can help improve yourself naturally rather
[1:24:48] Speaker 3: than these dang, you know, pharmaceutical prescription medicines that most
[1:24:53] Speaker 3: people are on. So there you go. Sorry for the
[1:24:55] Speaker 3: long-winded answer, but that's perfect.
[1:24:57] Speaker 1: This is about you today. Now, I do want to
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: get to all those benefits later in the show. First,
[1:25:03] Speaker 1: I want to get your insights into one of the
[1:25:07] Speaker 1: issues that's really most frustrating for me when I sit
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: back and look at what's occurring with people. And that
[1:25:14] Speaker 1: is the whole left-right paradigm, that people get sucked into
[1:25:21] Speaker 1: the extremes of these, and the way I see it,
[1:25:24] Speaker 1: both sides are leading you to obliteration. Both sides are
[1:25:28] Speaker 1: leading you to the wrong direction. The truth is always
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle, and right now we have this
[1:25:36] Speaker 1: battle of polarities going on that we know as the
[1:25:40] Speaker 1: liberal or conservative, left-right paradigm that is trapping people and
[1:25:45] Speaker 1: preventing them from seeing what the truth is. They're either
[1:25:51] Speaker 1: so far to the right to where what I see
[1:25:54] Speaker 1: is going to be occurring is we're going to enter
[1:25:56] Speaker 1: this right-wing swing where people are going to align with
[1:26:01] Speaker 1: these ideologies, but it's going to swing so far to
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: the right Right.
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:26:31] Speaker 1: Than what they naturally are as humans. So we have
[1:26:34] Speaker 1: these both extremes that we're fighting against, when in reality,
[1:26:38] Speaker 1: the truth is somewhere in the middle.
[1:26:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I totally agree with that. I think it's
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: all by design, to be honest. They literally created the right,
[1:26:46] Speaker 3: they created the left, and they're creating all the divisions
[1:26:49] Speaker 3: in the middle in between, right? The race division, the
[1:26:53] Speaker 3: color division, the religion division.
[1:26:58] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:26:59] Speaker 3: There's the right left division. It's it's designed to divide
[1:27:03] Speaker 3: us because together as a society, we're amazing.
[1:27:07] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:27:08] Speaker 3: And we can do so much good. And so to me,
[1:27:11] Speaker 3: it's not really necessarily a right versus left battle, which
[1:27:14] Speaker 3: there is obviously one. So so that we definitely talk
[1:27:17] Speaker 3: about that. But to me, it's a good versus evil battle.
[1:27:20] Speaker 1: Yes, 100 percent.
[1:27:22] Speaker 3: I think that literally is an evil out there that
[1:27:26] Speaker 3: is real. And the evil person and the evil people
[1:27:30] Speaker 3: have no idea that they've been deceived into believing in that.
[1:27:33] Speaker 1: What happens is the evil plays both sides. It takes
[1:27:37] Speaker 1: on each side. So it is, it's difficult for people
[1:27:41] Speaker 1: to realize that they're being played either way.
[1:27:44] Speaker 3: Exactly. Exactly. So it's like all the people on the
[1:27:47] Speaker 3: far right, you know, they're being played people on the
[1:27:49] Speaker 3: far left. They're being played. The people who are, anti-abortion
[1:27:52] Speaker 3: are being played. The people who are for abortion are
[1:27:55] Speaker 3: being played. People who are for race division are being played.
[1:27:59] Speaker 3: It's just like on and on and on and on
[1:28:01] Speaker 3: and on. We can go. And that's not the issue.
[1:28:05] Speaker 3: It's literally good versus evil. So let's get people to
[1:28:09] Speaker 3: go back to the core and look at good and say,
[1:28:12] Speaker 3: how can we as a society work together? And how
[1:28:17] Speaker 3: can we come together? And how can we fight this
[1:28:20] Speaker 3: evil that that is out there once you start realizing
[1:28:23] Speaker 3: that it is a fight for good versus evil then
[1:28:26] Speaker 3: then the realization comes in where it's like okay i
[1:28:29] Speaker 3: don't i don't hate the person that is on the
[1:28:32] Speaker 3: left who just is calling me names i i love
[1:28:35] Speaker 3: them and it's like yeah yes okay so they they
[1:28:37] Speaker 3: they don't understand that it is a good versus evil fight.
[1:28:40] Speaker 3: Let's start the discussion there. Just like, okay, well, why
[1:28:43] Speaker 3: do you feel this way?
[1:28:43] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:28:44] Speaker 3: And then just, I think if we can get people
[1:28:46] Speaker 3: to understand that we're, we are humanity and that we're,
[1:28:51] Speaker 3: we're in this together and we, we can, we can
[1:28:54] Speaker 3: make it a much better place.
[1:28:56] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:28:56] Speaker 3: And so, I'm excited to see the changes in the
[1:28:59] Speaker 3: next 24 months just to see what does happen, because
[1:29:03] Speaker 3: I think the left ideology has been really, really the
[1:29:08] Speaker 3: only good thing about it is I see a great
[1:29:10] Speaker 3: awakening happening where I see a lot of people like, hey,
[1:29:15] Speaker 3: I didn't even think about God right before before any
[1:29:18] Speaker 3: of this. And now things are getting so bad that
[1:29:21] Speaker 3: you start actually thinking about it. You're like, OK, what
[1:29:24] Speaker 3: is why am I here?
[1:29:26] Speaker 2: Right?
[1:29:26] Speaker 3: And when you start asking those basic questions, then you
[1:29:31] Speaker 3: start looking at why literally we are here, and what's
[1:29:35] Speaker 3: your purpose on this earth, and then you start seeking
[1:29:38] Speaker 3: some of those answers, and I think that's very healthy,
[1:29:40] Speaker 3: and I think that people are coming to God in
[1:29:43] Speaker 3: a much faster path than they had in the past.
[1:29:48] Speaker 3: When things are great, it's like, hey, I don't care.
[1:29:50] Speaker 3: My life's great. I'm good. So, you don't think about
[1:29:53] Speaker 3: those types of things. So, I see it. That's the
[1:29:56] Speaker 3: only positive I see out of this is a lot
[1:29:58] Speaker 3: of people are looking at their lives and starting to
[1:30:02] Speaker 3: ask those types of questions, which I think is very healthy.
[1:30:05] Speaker 3: And I'm a Christian, so I want people to be,
[1:30:08] Speaker 3: you know, I don't believe everybody needs to think like
[1:30:11] Speaker 3: I do. I just want them to know Christ, right?
[1:30:14] Speaker 3: That's what my belief is. But if they believe something else, fine,
[1:30:18] Speaker 3: that's great. But let's just start thinking about it that
[1:30:21] Speaker 3: way rather than, you know, this right versus left thing. paradigm,
[1:30:25] Speaker 3: which is so rampant and so, so, you know, ucky, right?
[1:30:29] Speaker 3: It really is disgusting.
[1:30:31] Speaker 1: For me, I've come to realize that the truth comes
[1:30:35] Speaker 1: from within us. If we're looking for truth on the
[1:30:38] Speaker 1: right side, it's not there. If we're looking for truth
[1:30:40] Speaker 1: on the left side, it's not there. If we're looking
[1:30:42] Speaker 1: truth up, down, it can't be found. The only way
[1:30:45] Speaker 1: we can find truth is by going within, because as
[1:30:49] Speaker 1: I understand, God is within. The only way to truly
[1:30:54] Speaker 1: understand where we come from, where we're going, what we're
[1:30:57] Speaker 1: doing here is to do that self-consciousness exploration. And you're right.
[1:31:03] Speaker 1: There's an awakening and there's a reaction to the awakening
[1:31:06] Speaker 1: that's occurring on a large scale. It's like the system
[1:31:10] Speaker 1: knows and it's in a form of death throes to
[1:31:14] Speaker 1: where it's ramping up all the dystopian agendas, wars, rumors
[1:31:19] Speaker 1: of roars, pandemics, pharmaceutical commercials. I mean, if you tune
[1:31:23] Speaker 1: into anything right now, even on your streaming services, and
[1:31:27] Speaker 1: you don't have the paid version with no ads, when
[1:31:30] Speaker 1: the ad comes up, I guarantee you it's most likely
[1:31:33] Speaker 1: going to be a pharmaceutical ad. These take up about
[1:31:37] Speaker 1: 90% of the ad space these days, and it's everything.
[1:31:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, because they have billions and billions and billions of dollars, right?
[1:31:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:31:45] Speaker 3: They can shove it down our face because they have
[1:31:48] Speaker 3: so much money. That's the problem that is– you know,
[1:31:53] Speaker 3: with our whole mainstream media, right? Is that they control
[1:31:56] Speaker 3: the whole narrative and they really do, unfortunately, deceive so
[1:32:01] Speaker 3: many people. And I was one of those people, right?
[1:32:03] Speaker 3: I'm going to raise my hand. I lived in the matrix,
[1:32:07] Speaker 3: you know, as.
[1:32:07] Speaker 2: You call it.
[1:32:08] Speaker 1: Same here.
[1:32:09] Speaker 3: Forever. And I didn't realize that I was being deceived
[1:32:13] Speaker 3: or lied to. I thought we had the most amazing
[1:32:16] Speaker 3: country and the best journalism and we were the freest
[1:32:19] Speaker 3: society in the world. And But what I did realize
[1:32:22] Speaker 3: is that is absolutely wrong. And we as the United States,
[1:32:28] Speaker 3: our information is controlled just as bad or worse than
[1:32:32] Speaker 3: any other country in the world. So you have to
[1:32:35] Speaker 3: just start doing research for yourself, right? Stop listening to
[1:32:40] Speaker 3: those other voices and do your own research and dig
[1:32:43] Speaker 3: in and then find the people that you really do trust.
[1:32:45] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:32:46] Speaker 3: And then, then, and maybe the, you know, even put
[1:32:48] Speaker 3: them on a, on a maybe, right. When you start, start,
[1:32:52] Speaker 3: you know, following people, it's like, well, maybe that person is,
[1:32:55] Speaker 3: is got the right morals and has the right, um,
[1:32:58] Speaker 3: you know, philosophy of, of life and as really understands
[1:33:02] Speaker 3: that this is a good versus evil fight. I kind
[1:33:04] Speaker 3: of start there. If they realize that we're in a
[1:33:06] Speaker 3: good versus evil fight, it's like, okay, then I will
[1:33:09] Speaker 3: at least listen to them. But they may say something
[1:33:12] Speaker 3: and or believe something that I just don't agree with.
[1:33:14] Speaker 3: So then I knock them off my list, right? It's like, okay,
[1:33:17] Speaker 3: I'm not going to trust that person anymore. I have
[1:33:22] Speaker 3: a very core people that I really honestly believe understand
[1:33:27] Speaker 3: what's going on in the world, right?
[1:33:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:33:30] Speaker 3: And I do think the thing, one of the main
[1:33:33] Speaker 3: points that you mentioned, I think is so important is that,
[1:33:35] Speaker 3: you know, God is within us. And I totally believe
[1:33:38] Speaker 3: that's true. The Bible tells us that, right? When God
[1:33:41] Speaker 3: created us, he breathed his life into us, right? So
[1:33:45] Speaker 3: he deposited his spirit inside our bodies. So everybody has
[1:33:49] Speaker 3: this innate thing about them that says, hmm. why am
[1:33:54] Speaker 3: I here? And they question those things. And if you
[1:33:57] Speaker 3: didn't have that, you wouldn't, you know, he wouldn't be
[1:34:00] Speaker 3: inside you, right? But he is. And so just having
[1:34:03] Speaker 3: people understanding that is super important. So anyway, love that discussion.
[1:34:08] Speaker 1: Right on. And what's happened is we've become a society
[1:34:13] Speaker 1: of instant gratification. And that's where the pharmaceuticals work for us.
[1:34:18] Speaker 1: Because even though they're not working for us, even though
[1:34:21] Speaker 1: they're slowly killing us, we have the illusion and perception
[1:34:25] Speaker 1: that it's doing something because it's causing some sort of
[1:34:27] Speaker 1: altered state or it has some sort of band-aid effect
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: where it temporarily relieves whatever symptoms you're feeling. So we
[1:34:36] Speaker 1: are under the illusion that they are actually helping us
[1:34:40] Speaker 1: in some way, when in reality, if we just relied
[1:34:44] Speaker 1: on our natural state, the natural energy surrounding us, sunlight,
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: eating healthy, all the things that are naturally meant to
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: heal our body, if we rejected the pharmaceuticals and started
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: doing that, we would see that no, it's not instant
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: that we're going to be healed, but it will be
[1:35:03] Speaker 1: a true healing instead of a band-aid effect over a
[1:35:07] Speaker 1: period of time if you do the work. And that's
[1:35:10] Speaker 1: what people don't want to do. They don't want to
[1:35:12] Speaker 1: do the work to heal themselves.
[1:35:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:35:15] Speaker 3: I just interviewed, I'm starting a podcast, launching the podcast
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: in a few weeks, in January, so I'm doing a
[1:35:23] Speaker 3: lot of pre-interviews with that podcast. It's going to be
[1:35:26] Speaker 3: I Am Pain-Free is the name of the podcast, and
[1:35:28] Speaker 3: I'm interviewing these amazing doctors, right? Who have been doing
[1:35:32] Speaker 3: research on pain and have been helping people with pain.
[1:35:35] Speaker 3: And one of the doctors I just met with was
[1:35:37] Speaker 3: so awesome. He's like, you have to, you know, you
[1:35:41] Speaker 3: have to start from within. And, uh, we have so
[1:35:44] Speaker 3: many toxins, both inside our body, as well as outside
[1:35:47] Speaker 3: the body that if you don't start from within and
[1:35:50] Speaker 3: get rid of those toxins, uh, then it's really hard
[1:35:53] Speaker 3: for you to, to heal. So I love that too,
[1:35:56] Speaker 3: because that's, it really does start at your.
[1:35:59] Speaker 2: Core, right?
[1:36:00] Speaker 3: So you have to get your, your, your gut health
[1:36:03] Speaker 3: working the way it's supposed to work. And then guess what?
[1:36:06] Speaker 3: The nutrients you take can actually be absorbed, right? The
[1:36:10] Speaker 3: problem with our food supply nowadays is it just is
[1:36:13] Speaker 3: not a good food supply in the pyramid. They, they
[1:36:16] Speaker 3: tried to sell us when we were in elementary as
[1:36:19] Speaker 3: a joke, right? The, the, so, You know, you need
[1:36:23] Speaker 3: to learn that when you cure your gut health, then
[1:36:27] Speaker 3: your body can absorb the nutrients right. Then you need
[1:36:30] Speaker 3: to learn how to get the nutrients in. And then
[1:36:32] Speaker 3: guess what? The way God made your body is it
[1:36:35] Speaker 3: can start healing itself. It's just incredible how that can work.
[1:36:40] Speaker 3: So I thought that was really neat that he's like, OK, yeah,
[1:36:42] Speaker 3: let's let's look at the toxins in your body and
[1:36:45] Speaker 3: then outside that are being you're being bombarded with. And
[1:36:49] Speaker 3: then let's figure out a way to start there. And
[1:36:52] Speaker 3: then he goes through this protocol of how to get
[1:36:56] Speaker 3: people well rather than just a pill for an ill, right?
[1:37:00] Speaker 3: So I think that's the future of health is helping
[1:37:04] Speaker 3: people look at, okay, where you are and then what
[1:37:07] Speaker 3: is the underlying cause of that particular problem rather than
[1:37:12] Speaker 3: just here's your pill for your ill. Let's go heal
[1:37:15] Speaker 3: people rather than just give them pills for ills. Does
[1:37:18] Speaker 3: that make sense?
[1:37:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, and most of the time, the underlying reasons for unhealthiness, sickness,
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: pain is usually energetically or emotional from its start. It
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: starts as something that we can't see because it's either
[1:37:40] Speaker 1: based on trauma, childhood traumas, an event that happened. something
[1:37:44] Speaker 1: that we emotionally put ourselves through that didn't realize. Aside from,
[1:37:49] Speaker 1: like you said, getting hit by a truck or some
[1:37:51] Speaker 1: physical trauma, most of these ailments that we have come
[1:37:56] Speaker 1: from something energetic within ourselves, and we have to start
[1:38:00] Speaker 1: from that source in order to heal and work our
[1:38:03] Speaker 1: way out to the physical body, right?
[1:38:06] Speaker 3: That's right that's what that was so fun when i
[1:38:08] Speaker 3: started learning about this quantum energy technology because i when
[1:38:12] Speaker 3: i first heard about it i'm like oh come on
[1:38:13] Speaker 3: give me a break right it's like that that's not
[1:38:15] Speaker 3: going to help you know then then i started looking
[1:38:18] Speaker 3: at the people that it was helping i'm like okay
[1:38:21] Speaker 3: there's there's actually something to this so let me let
[1:38:24] Speaker 3: me go figure out why right so i did you
[1:38:26] Speaker 3: know the anon thing i went and said okay i
[1:38:28] Speaker 3: didn't believe this but then geez they're lots of people
[1:38:30] Speaker 3: that are, it's helping. So let me go find out why.
[1:38:33] Speaker 3: And when I, when I did that research, it was
[1:38:35] Speaker 3: so enthralling because it was like, oh my gosh, I
[1:38:39] Speaker 3: ran it, ran across Dr. Emoto, right. His, his intention
[1:38:43] Speaker 3: studies and how your intentions and your words have a
[1:38:47] Speaker 3: physical impact on external things. And then you start realizing,
[1:38:50] Speaker 3: oh my gosh, that's big. And then you hit 5G, right?
[1:38:53] Speaker 3: That's all these negative things that come in. You have
[1:38:55] Speaker 3: negatives and you have positives. And then understood that your
[1:38:59] Speaker 3: body is made up of energy. Wow, that's an enlightening one.
[1:39:02] Speaker 3: Because then you start realizing, even down to the cellular level,
[1:39:05] Speaker 3: that your cells interact with other cells via vibration, right?
[1:39:10] Speaker 3: Via frequencies. And so... It's like, OK, so then you
[1:39:14] Speaker 3: start seeing you can affect those frequencies. So if you
[1:39:17] Speaker 3: put good frequencies into your body, that's what we do
[1:39:20] Speaker 3: with our with our skin patches. We kind of get
[1:39:22] Speaker 3: you on an even keel right to where your body
[1:39:25] Speaker 3: can start healing because we're putting your body in a
[1:39:30] Speaker 3: healing state. It's kind of what I what I call it.
[1:39:32] Speaker 3: So we get rid of pain. We get rid of allergies.
[1:39:35] Speaker 3: We get rid of we help you lose weight. you know,
[1:39:38] Speaker 3: and then your body's in this healing state where it
[1:39:40] Speaker 3: can start to heal. And then you start doing the
[1:39:43] Speaker 3: right things. You eat the right things, you get the sun,
[1:39:46] Speaker 3: you get that vitamin D and you start, start getting
[1:39:49] Speaker 3: the water that you need. You know, there's so many
[1:39:51] Speaker 3: things that people just aren't doing that are, that are
[1:39:54] Speaker 3: basic that if you just started with the basics that
[1:39:57] Speaker 3: you could make a huge transformation. So that's kind of
[1:39:59] Speaker 3: my mission now is like, okay, let's, let's go back.
[1:40:01] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:40:02] Speaker 3: Let's one of the things that I learned when I
[1:40:05] Speaker 3: was a young runner is that really propelled me from
[1:40:08] Speaker 3: being a good runner to what I call a great runner,
[1:40:11] Speaker 3: but from really good to really, really good was nutrition.
[1:40:16] Speaker 3: And I read this book called Eat to Win. And
[1:40:19] Speaker 3: the book was all about what you literally eat fuels
[1:40:22] Speaker 3: your body. And it makes total logical sense, but how
[1:40:24] Speaker 3: many young kids when they're going through high school actually
[1:40:29] Speaker 3: care about what they eat, right? They want the pizza
[1:40:31] Speaker 3: and hot dogs and they're just doing their thing. But
[1:40:34] Speaker 3: when I understood how important it was to fuel my body,
[1:40:38] Speaker 3: my running became so much better. And then so now,
[1:40:42] Speaker 3: you know, many, many, many years later, I look back
[1:40:44] Speaker 3: on that. I was like, gosh, that's so amazing. God
[1:40:47] Speaker 3: made our body so amazing. We need to just start
[1:40:49] Speaker 3: utilizing it and leveraging what he did give us. And
[1:40:53] Speaker 3: then we can start getting our bodies in a healing state, right?
[1:40:57] Speaker 3: We can find the root cause of a lot of
[1:40:59] Speaker 3: these issues and problems. And then we can start helping
[1:41:02] Speaker 3: people solve solve these issues and problems. So yeah, it's,
[1:41:06] Speaker 3: it's a, it's a fun, fun mission. And it's just,
[1:41:09] Speaker 3: it's gratifying when you can actually help people, um, rather
[1:41:12] Speaker 3: than just, uh, put a bandaid on something. And so that,
[1:41:15] Speaker 3: you know, that's, that's my mission moving forward is like, okay,
[1:41:17] Speaker 3: you know, I think God did have me on this
[1:41:19] Speaker 3: earth for a reason, right? I didn't die on the,
[1:41:23] Speaker 3: the road in Utah after getting hit by that truck
[1:41:26] Speaker 3: for a reason. I didn't ever really know what that
[1:41:28] Speaker 3: reason was, but I think it is now. I think he's, he's,
[1:41:31] Speaker 3: he's told me, Rob, you need to go help people.
[1:41:33] Speaker 3: You need to help them with their faith and you
[1:41:35] Speaker 3: need to help them with their health. And so that's my,
[1:41:38] Speaker 3: my big goal. And if I can't help you with
[1:41:40] Speaker 3: your faith, fine.
[1:41:41] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:41:41] Speaker 3: But I think I can help you with your health. Right. Everybody,
[1:41:43] Speaker 3: everybody agrees that they want to be healthy regardless of
[1:41:46] Speaker 3: who you are.
[1:41:47] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:41:47] Speaker 3: So I'm going to try to help anybody and everybody
[1:41:51] Speaker 3: that I can.
[1:41:52] Speaker 1: I want to get deeper into your insights and what's
[1:41:55] Speaker 1: happening energetically with our emotional state, with the energy that
[1:42:01] Speaker 1: we hold on to, with thought forms, parasitic attachments, even
[1:42:07] Speaker 1: what some consider is AI programming that we take on
[1:42:12] Speaker 1: from this matrix reality. I've spoken with shamans, healers, spiritualists,
[1:42:19] Speaker 1: many different people who explore these aspects of energy and
[1:42:25] Speaker 1: thought forms and how they can affect us, how our
[1:42:28] Speaker 1: own thoughts can take on sort of a consciousness of
[1:42:31] Speaker 1: their own and manifest in certain ways in our reality,
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: and how we hold on to these things, and it's
[1:42:38] Speaker 1: not till we identify and release them that true healing happens.
[1:42:43] Speaker 1: can come about, but in a way these things can
[1:42:46] Speaker 1: have their own intelligence or consciousness. What do you think
[1:42:50] Speaker 1: about that?
[1:42:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, so I come more from a biblical perspective on that,
[1:42:54] Speaker 3: but I do believe that the mind is amazing. and
[1:42:58] Speaker 3: it can do horrendous things to your body, and it
[1:43:02] Speaker 3: can do wonderful things to your body. But I believe
[1:43:07] Speaker 3: that God is our ultimate healer, that He's the one
[1:43:11] Speaker 3: that could heal us if we ask. But I believe
[1:43:16] Speaker 3: that our minds are so powerful, and there's so many
[1:43:19] Speaker 3: things that are going on that we can harm ourselves
[1:43:23] Speaker 3: without releasing it. So there's some amazing all natural health
[1:43:27] Speaker 3: doctors I'm working with are help people with things like that.
[1:43:30] Speaker 3: They're like, there's something there that maybe when you were
[1:43:33] Speaker 3: a kid that something happened that is causing this issue
[1:43:38] Speaker 3: that you would never have any idea that that's why
[1:43:42] Speaker 3: your elbow is hurting, for example, right? It's like, okay,
[1:43:44] Speaker 3: you've got this chronic elbow issue, and I'm just using
[1:43:48] Speaker 3: this as an example, right? But maybe the person had
[1:43:51] Speaker 3: trauma when they were young, and they've never been able
[1:43:54] Speaker 3: to release that trauma. But these all-natural health doctors can
[1:43:57] Speaker 3: go back to that and help people release that problem,
[1:44:01] Speaker 3: and then their mind all of a sudden gets rid
[1:44:03] Speaker 3: of that, and their body starts changing. So that I
[1:44:09] Speaker 3: do believe in, right? I do believe that your body
[1:44:11] Speaker 3: and your mind is so interconnected that your mind can
[1:44:15] Speaker 3: control what is happening within your body without you really
[1:44:18] Speaker 3: understanding it. So I believe there is great people you
[1:44:22] Speaker 3: can go to who are not evil, who are not
[1:44:25] Speaker 3: there to do bad things, that are there to leverage
[1:44:28] Speaker 3: what God gave you and help you understand how to
[1:44:30] Speaker 3: release those types of things and get you on a
[1:44:33] Speaker 3: good path. But I am you know, cautious of some
[1:44:37] Speaker 3: of that, just because I know that the evil one
[1:44:40] Speaker 3: likes to twist, um, a lot of things that are,
[1:44:42] Speaker 3: that are good and, uh, he likes to make them evil.
[1:44:46] Speaker 3: And so I think there are a lot of evil
[1:44:48] Speaker 3: practices that I, I would just personally stay away from that's,
[1:44:51] Speaker 3: that's just me. Um, but, uh, I, I do believe
[1:44:54] Speaker 3: that people have all sorts of beliefs about your consciousness and, and, uh,
[1:44:59] Speaker 3: altered states and other things that, you know, I just
[1:45:02] Speaker 3: step back and say, is that biblical? Can I figure
[1:45:04] Speaker 3: out a way to reconcile that with the information in
[1:45:08] Speaker 3: the Bible? And if I can, great, right? There's lots
[1:45:10] Speaker 3: of things that I've been able to reconcile, and there's
[1:45:12] Speaker 3: lots of things you just don't know, right? And so
[1:45:15] Speaker 3: I spend a lot of time trying to learn from him, right?
[1:45:17] Speaker 3: I spend my time reading the Bible, and I learn,
[1:45:20] Speaker 3: I think it's a living word of God, and I
[1:45:22] Speaker 3: learn a lot by listening to him as I'm doing
[1:45:25] Speaker 3: that and then prayer, right? When I do pray, I
[1:45:27] Speaker 3: ask him for lots of things and I want his
[1:45:29] Speaker 3: insight onto those types of things. I'll go to him
[1:45:31] Speaker 3: and say, hey, what about this issue, right? Is that
[1:45:33] Speaker 3: something that I should be spending time on or learning
[1:45:37] Speaker 3: about and try to be led by? By the Lord.
[1:45:40] Speaker 3: So I'm a little bit different than probably a lot
[1:45:42] Speaker 3: of people you talk to.
[1:45:44] Speaker 1: Oh, no, right on. There's very similar thoughts on this.
[1:45:47] Speaker 1: I speak with as many different people to get as
[1:45:50] Speaker 1: many different perspectives as possible because everybody has a piece
[1:45:55] Speaker 1: of the puzzle.
[1:45:57] Speaker 2: True.
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on what's unfolding. There
[1:46:01] Speaker 1: are some that believe that there is a forced unfolding
[1:46:06] Speaker 1: of prophecy and entering this apocalyptic age where we're starting
[1:46:13] Speaker 1: to see manifestations of what was foretold biblically, such as
[1:46:21] Speaker 1: this apocalyptic Armageddon age that seemingly we may be headed into,
[1:46:28] Speaker 1: global wars, pandemics. They're now throwing out the possibility of
[1:46:34] Speaker 1: alien life forms and reverse craft and all this incredible
[1:46:39] Speaker 1: science fiction that we've heard about for years through our
[1:46:44] Speaker 1: media and television that seems to be coming to fruition
[1:46:48] Speaker 1: in certain ways. Do you see this as an intentional, forced,
[1:46:55] Speaker 1: prophetic age that we're being pushed into?
[1:46:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good question, because I do believe
[1:47:02] Speaker 3: that there's so much misinformation out there. I hate that word,
[1:47:05] Speaker 3: misinformation is bad, just because the mainstream media has totally
[1:47:11] Speaker 3: used that term in a really bad way. And they
[1:47:15] Speaker 3: are the definition of misinformation, right? So I believe that
[1:47:20] Speaker 3: our world is being controlled by rich people who've had
[1:47:24] Speaker 3: a plan for decades and are working towards that plan.
[1:47:29] Speaker 3: And they want an earth that is much less population
[1:47:34] Speaker 3: than what it is today. So that's my underlying belief
[1:47:38] Speaker 3: is that they've been at this plan for decades and
[1:47:43] Speaker 3: that we're living through that period now. In my opinion,
[1:47:47] Speaker 3: I believe that God is in control and that, yes,
[1:47:50] Speaker 3: the people have an evil plan and they're trying to
[1:47:53] Speaker 3: execute their evil plan. But at the end of the day,
[1:47:55] Speaker 3: you know, I've read the end of the Bible and
[1:47:57] Speaker 3: I know at the end of the day, you know,
[1:47:59] Speaker 3: God wins. So I'm not fearful of that. I'm just
[1:48:02] Speaker 3: and I think that there is going to be a
[1:48:03] Speaker 3: huge great awakening that happens through that process. But yeah,
[1:48:07] Speaker 3: I for sure see that this is, I don't think
[1:48:09] Speaker 3: it's a forced thing. I just think that evil people
[1:48:13] Speaker 3: have had a plan to destroy us and destroy the world,
[1:48:16] Speaker 3: and it's being played out. But I think that God is...
[1:48:19] Speaker 3: still in control, and He's going to take over when
[1:48:24] Speaker 3: He's ready, right? And so I just think that's going
[1:48:27] Speaker 3: to be a very interesting ride as we go. But
[1:48:29] Speaker 3: I have faith. that we're going to make it through this.
[1:48:33] Speaker 3: And I believe a lot of people are going to
[1:48:35] Speaker 3: come to God because of it, and they're going to
[1:48:38] Speaker 3: start thinking about it. So I think maybe that's part
[1:48:40] Speaker 3: of the plan is he needs to wake up a
[1:48:42] Speaker 3: lot of people. And my brother is a pastor, and
[1:48:46] Speaker 3: he's working on some interesting things. One of the research
[1:48:50] Speaker 3: that he had done just recently was really surprising to
[1:48:53] Speaker 3: me is how many people are unreached in the world, right?
[1:48:55] Speaker 3: You think about in this modern day and age, how
[1:48:59] Speaker 3: many people have not heard the message of the Bible.
[1:49:03] Speaker 3: And you would think that, oh my gosh, everybody's heard
[1:49:05] Speaker 3: of that, right? Everybody's heard the message and the word. And, uh,
[1:49:10] Speaker 3: what he found is that there's still a huge percentage
[1:49:13] Speaker 3: of the globe that has not been, you know, even
[1:49:16] Speaker 3: touched yet. So there's a lot of events when you
[1:49:19] Speaker 3: read the Bible that need to happen before, you know, before, um,
[1:49:24] Speaker 3: Armageddon happens and, you know, before the end of, end
[1:49:27] Speaker 3: of times happens and all the things that revelation talks about. And, uh,
[1:49:32] Speaker 3: One of those is a lot more people need to
[1:49:34] Speaker 3: be touched. So I don't see the end times being
[1:49:37] Speaker 3: real soon. There's still lots of people in this world
[1:49:39] Speaker 3: that need to be touched with the message of the Bible.
[1:49:43] Speaker 3: But that's obviously a very deep rabbit hole that we
[1:49:47] Speaker 3: could spend many episodes on.
[1:49:50] Speaker 1: Well, there seems to be two timelines that are unfolding
[1:49:54] Speaker 1: that coincide with this mass awakening. We have the people
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: who are waking up and seemingly... gaining a stronger connection
[1:50:04] Speaker 1: to God and nature and the natural path and natural
[1:50:08] Speaker 1: healing and all the things that we're discussing. And then
[1:50:10] Speaker 1: they have the other half of people who are following
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: the technocratic side, being bombarded by pharmaceuticals and medical industry
[1:50:23] Speaker 1: solutions and technology and this direction that is being attempted
[1:50:30] Speaker 1: to pull the large part of humanity to this dystopian
[1:50:36] Speaker 1: age and there seems to be this split in people's
[1:50:41] Speaker 1: consciousness evolution where we have both sides that some are
[1:50:47] Speaker 1: are rising in consciousness and some seem to be getting
[1:50:51] Speaker 1: pulled deeper into the matrix reality.
[1:50:54] Speaker 2: Right, right.
[1:50:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I would just determine as a good versus
[1:50:59] Speaker 3: evil fright. The people that are good are becoming more
[1:51:02] Speaker 3: conscious of what's happening and aware of what's happening. And
[1:51:05] Speaker 3: once you become aware, there's no, you can't hide it again, right?
[1:51:09] Speaker 3: It's like, then you just start seeing the world in
[1:51:11] Speaker 3: such a different light. You start seeing the things, you're like,
[1:51:14] Speaker 3: oh my gosh, okay, now I start to understand these
[1:51:18] Speaker 3: things that are happening. But then it gets so muddy, right?
[1:51:22] Speaker 3: You look at even the war in Israel, right? The, the,
[1:51:25] Speaker 3: in the Bible, the, you know, the, the Jews in
[1:51:28] Speaker 3: Israel is really important part of the biblical prophecy. And
[1:51:33] Speaker 3: then people start talking about Kazarian Jews and there's all
[1:51:37] Speaker 3: these people who have taken over Israel and they're not
[1:51:39] Speaker 3: the real, and it's just like, oh my gosh, it
[1:51:41] Speaker 3: gets so confusing and so frustrating when you're, you're trying
[1:51:45] Speaker 3: to decipher what's good and what's, what is bad. So
[1:51:48] Speaker 3: that's where I personally, I try to have a conversation
[1:51:52] Speaker 3: with the Lord, right? It's like, he needs to direct
[1:51:54] Speaker 3: me because the mainstream media isn't going to direct me.
[1:51:58] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:51:58] Speaker 3: And, uh, and the people that I trust and that
[1:52:01] Speaker 3: I've vetted, you know, I will take information from them,
[1:52:04] Speaker 3: but I'm still not going to take it as a
[1:52:07] Speaker 3: hundred percent truth.
[1:52:08] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:52:08] Speaker 3: I'm going to vet it because they may, they may
[1:52:10] Speaker 3: have heard something that was wrong and believe something that
[1:52:13] Speaker 3: was wrong. So anyway, I, I'm one of those really, um,
[1:52:17] Speaker 3: I would say people who are cautious about information now,
[1:52:22] Speaker 3: super cautious, probably way more. My wife gets mad at
[1:52:24] Speaker 3: me because she's like, you don't believe anything I say.
[1:52:26] Speaker 3: I say, I believe everything you say. I just have
[1:52:28] Speaker 3: to vet it first. So she gets mad at that.
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: Last time you were on, we went over your journey,
[1:52:37] Speaker 1: your healing journey from your accident to coming to awareness
[1:52:44] Speaker 1: of what needs to be done and actually healing yourself.
[1:52:47] Speaker 1: Maybe you could remind the audience a little bit about
[1:52:50] Speaker 1: that journey and how you came to the understanding of
[1:52:56] Speaker 1: healing and quantum energy and what helped you get where
[1:52:59] Speaker 1: you're at.
[1:53:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, it was a really interesting point.
[1:53:04] Speaker 3: I think I mentioned getting hit by that second truck, right?
[1:53:06] Speaker 3: That pandemic really opened my eyes to the world of
[1:53:09] Speaker 3: what's going on. And it really started getting me digging.
[1:53:12] Speaker 3: So that's when I started digging into it. There's a
[1:53:15] Speaker 3: medical issue and I learned about the Rockefellers in the
[1:53:18] Speaker 3: early 1900s about how they took over the medical schools
[1:53:23] Speaker 3: and use the Flexner report. So people want to go
[1:53:26] Speaker 3: research the Flexner report. I think that's really good and
[1:53:28] Speaker 3: see what the Rockefellers did with that report and how
[1:53:31] Speaker 3: they did take over the medical schools. And they've started
[1:53:33] Speaker 3: vilifying all of the all natural health doctors and practitioners.
[1:53:37] Speaker 3: Back then, 50% of our doctors were holistic doctors, all
[1:53:41] Speaker 3: natural doctors. And now that percentage is like, you know, 0.01%, right?
[1:53:47] Speaker 3: It's almost nothing because you never hear about that growing up.
[1:53:50] Speaker 3: You never hear about holistic medicine or holistic doctors or
[1:53:53] Speaker 3: healing yourself or your body can heal. So anyway, that
[1:53:57] Speaker 3: started me down that rabbit hole. And then, you know,
[1:54:01] Speaker 3: at that point, I was really unhealthy. I was out
[1:54:04] Speaker 3: of shape. I drank probably every day. or not probably,
[1:54:09] Speaker 3: I did drink every day, right? I drank every day
[1:54:11] Speaker 3: almost for 20 years. It was a habit. And I
[1:54:13] Speaker 3: was like, geez, I'm just not healthy. So one, I'm
[1:54:16] Speaker 3: learning all these things and I'm realizing that I'm just
[1:54:19] Speaker 3: not living the life I should. And so I literally
[1:54:22] Speaker 3: wanted to get off of alcohol. So I just, I
[1:54:25] Speaker 3: decided to.
[1:54:26] Speaker 2: Do that, right?
[1:54:27] Speaker 3: One day I woke up and said, okay, I'm not
[1:54:28] Speaker 3: never going to have another drink again. And I did that.
[1:54:31] Speaker 3: That was a really transformational period for me in my
[1:54:34] Speaker 3: life in the respect that I was much more clear headed.
[1:54:37] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:54:37] Speaker 3: I could understand things better. And then I believe the
[1:54:40] Speaker 3: Lord led me to the these quantum energy solutions. I
[1:54:44] Speaker 3: started trying to figure out a way to help people
[1:54:46] Speaker 3: like I mentioned that I wanted to do. So I
[1:54:47] Speaker 3: was crafting these supplements and I was like, OK, these
[1:54:50] Speaker 3: natural supplements are going to help people. And then when
[1:54:53] Speaker 3: one of the people that I was working with was amazing.
[1:54:57] Speaker 3: What do you call them? The people who are helping people.
[1:55:01] Speaker 3: craft the solution, the formulator. There we go. This formulator
[1:55:06] Speaker 3: is where it was awesome. And he's like, have you
[1:55:09] Speaker 3: ever heard of quantum energy? I'm like, quantum what? And
[1:55:12] Speaker 3: so he's introduced me to that. And that was fascinating
[1:55:16] Speaker 3: because that got me back into the things back in
[1:55:19] Speaker 3: my past where I was trying to understand how your
[1:55:22] Speaker 3: body did work, right? How nutrition could affect your body.
[1:55:26] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:55:26] Speaker 3: So geez, our body is made up of energy. That's amazing.
[1:55:28] Speaker 3: So How does it interact with frequencies and what are
[1:55:32] Speaker 3: these frequencies actually doing to you? How do you get
[1:55:35] Speaker 3: the frequencies on the patch?
[1:55:37] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:55:37] Speaker 3: How do you get intentions on the patch? How do
[1:55:39] Speaker 3: you get Bible verses on the patch? So that's what
[1:55:42] Speaker 3: we do. We literally infuse Bible verses, positive intentions and
[1:55:47] Speaker 3: healthy frequencies onto these little little skin patches. And so
[1:55:52] Speaker 3: it's so cool because you can literally, they have little
[1:55:54] Speaker 3: crystalline structures on there. So you've probably heard that crystals
[1:55:58] Speaker 3: can hold information. And so that's kind of like a
[1:56:02] Speaker 3: little computer chip. Really, it's just a microscopic crystallization structure
[1:56:07] Speaker 3: that's on here. And we can program that with those
[1:56:10] Speaker 3: three things, those positive frequencies, the intentions, and then the
[1:56:15] Speaker 3: Bible version. I just stick it on my body. But
[1:56:18] Speaker 3: then what happens is, Within five seconds, it connects to
[1:56:21] Speaker 3: the energy system in your body. And that's where it's
[1:56:23] Speaker 3: really cool. We have these EEG, you know, monitors. This
[1:56:29] Speaker 3: is just the Muse one. You just stick on your
[1:56:31] Speaker 3: head and it measures the brainwaves in your body. And
[1:56:35] Speaker 3: within five seconds, you can see that it connects to
[1:56:38] Speaker 3: the energy system in your body and then it starts helping.
[1:56:41] Speaker 3: So what it's doing is kind of interrupting that signal
[1:56:43] Speaker 3: from your issue to your brain. So like if you're
[1:56:46] Speaker 3: in pain, and your foot hurts, it's interrupting that signal
[1:56:50] Speaker 3: from your foot to your brain, and so your brain,
[1:56:53] Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, the brain waves, you can
[1:56:54] Speaker 3: see them on the monitor, just start smoothing out, because
[1:56:58] Speaker 3: when you're in pain, your brain's going like this, it's like, hey,
[1:57:00] Speaker 3: this sucks, I'm dealing with something I don't like, and
[1:57:03] Speaker 3: we need to figure out a way to deal with this,
[1:57:05] Speaker 3: and then when you're not in pain, your brain waves
[1:57:08] Speaker 3: are just smooth, and so that's what's so cool, is
[1:57:11] Speaker 3: you see it in reality and what's going on and
[1:57:14] Speaker 3: then your body you don't realize you're in pain anymore
[1:57:17] Speaker 3: because it's that you don't your brain doesn't recognize that
[1:57:19] Speaker 3: pain and then it puts you in that healing state
[1:57:21] Speaker 3: of dimension where your body can then start trying to
[1:57:25] Speaker 3: to heal itself and we're not doing the healing we're
[1:57:27] Speaker 3: just letting your body do what your body does so
[1:57:31] Speaker 3: that that that's where it was just got really exciting
[1:57:33] Speaker 3: that's why i'm like okay i this stuff works and
[1:57:36] Speaker 3: it's helping people And, uh, I've got to go take
[1:57:39] Speaker 3: this out to the world because I, at first I
[1:57:41] Speaker 3: didn't believe it.
[1:57:42] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:57:42] Speaker 3: So I was the first person to say, ah, no,
[1:57:45] Speaker 3: that's not going to work. And then it started helping
[1:57:47] Speaker 3: people after helping people, after helping people, we got hundreds of,
[1:57:50] Speaker 3: of testimonials. I'm like, okay, the world needs to see this.
[1:57:53] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:57:53] Speaker 3: And of course it's hard for me to get the
[1:57:55] Speaker 3: message out because the world, you know, the other part
[1:57:58] Speaker 3: of the world doesn't want people to know about this technology.
[1:58:01] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:58:01] Speaker 3: So, so it's hidden and it's hard to, hard to
[1:58:04] Speaker 3: get the message out. But, uh, with awesome people like yourself.
[1:58:08] Speaker 3: I appreciate you letting me help get the word out
[1:58:11] Speaker 3: just because it is so important to help people naturally
[1:58:14] Speaker 3: rather than use these stupid drugs. And let's figure out
[1:58:18] Speaker 3: a way to do it naturally and holistically. And then
[1:58:21] Speaker 3: we can start working on what the root cause of
[1:58:24] Speaker 3: those issues are, right? Let's find the right people to
[1:58:26] Speaker 3: help you with whatever that is. And that's kind of
[1:58:28] Speaker 3: my mission now is like, Okay, for that, go to him.
[1:58:31] Speaker 3: For that, go to him or her. And there are
[1:58:35] Speaker 3: going to be some people that are really going to
[1:58:36] Speaker 3: help you. So it's a lot of fun.
[1:58:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:58:39] Speaker 1: Now, I want to get your insights into how these
[1:58:42] Speaker 1: frequencies are affecting us, whether they are negative or positive frequencies.
[1:58:48] Speaker 1: We are surrounded by an electromagnetic soup because of the
[1:58:53] Speaker 1: technology that we immerse ourselves in these days from millimeter waves,
[1:58:57] Speaker 1: 5G frequencies, Wi-Fi, all the unseen electromagnetic waves that we
[1:59:03] Speaker 1: surround ourselves from our TV, radio, cell phones. Most of
[1:59:09] Speaker 1: these have been deemed to be very harmful for us
[1:59:13] Speaker 1: in different ways.
[1:59:14] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:59:15] Speaker 1: Some are subtle. Some cause more damage than others. And
[1:59:19] Speaker 1: then we have the frequencies that you work with. Tell
[1:59:22] Speaker 1: us a little bit about the differences between these and
[1:59:27] Speaker 1: some of the benefits versus what the negative frequencies can
[1:59:34] Speaker 1: cause to our body.
[1:59:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an awesome question because there are definitely good
[1:59:39] Speaker 3: and bad frequencies, right? And so just like there's a
[1:59:42] Speaker 3: good versus evil fight going on in the world, there's
[1:59:44] Speaker 3: good frequencies and there's bad frequencies. And so we need
[1:59:46] Speaker 3: to avoid as many of the bad frequencies as we can, right?
[1:59:50] Speaker 3: And then we need to start looking at and finding
[1:59:52] Speaker 3: healthy frequencies that are going to help us. And so
[1:59:55] Speaker 3: that's why I love even grounding isn't necessarily a frequency,
[2:00:00] Speaker 3: but it helps your energy system in your body And
[2:00:04] Speaker 3: it recharges the energy system in your body, which then
[2:00:07] Speaker 3: allows your body to interact with the healthy frequencies in
[2:00:11] Speaker 3: a much better way. And so I think that is
[2:00:15] Speaker 3: really important. And then we do need to start avoiding
[2:00:18] Speaker 3: these negative frequencies. So, you know, there are some interesting
[2:00:23] Speaker 3: EMF blockers, mostly EMF blockers that we've come across that
[2:00:27] Speaker 3: just don't work. And so that's been really, really frustrating
[2:00:31] Speaker 3: because there are things you need to shield. So I
[2:00:33] Speaker 3: turn off Wi-Fi routers and other things like that when
[2:00:37] Speaker 3: I don't need them in the respect that I don't
[2:00:39] Speaker 3: need that extra frequency going through my house when we're sleeping,
[2:00:45] Speaker 3: for example. So we need to be cognizant of those.
[2:00:49] Speaker 3: And then we just need to do our research on
[2:00:51] Speaker 3: things that can help block them because it can they
[2:00:54] Speaker 3: can be negative. And that's why we're doing everything we
[2:00:56] Speaker 3: can to put positive frequencies on our patches. Cause when
[2:01:01] Speaker 3: you apply it, it's really awesome in the respect that
[2:01:03] Speaker 3: all of a sudden your body is now has this
[2:01:06] Speaker 3: positive frequency flowing through it and puts you in that,
[2:01:09] Speaker 3: that brings you in a better state. So if you
[2:01:11] Speaker 3: do have a lot of bombardment of negative frequencies, you
[2:01:15] Speaker 3: put the positive one there and then there's really neat
[2:01:18] Speaker 3: to see in your body. Cause it's like when you,
[2:01:20] Speaker 3: when you apply the patch to your body, It's like
[2:01:22] Speaker 3: sticking your finger in electrified water, right? No matter where
[2:01:25] Speaker 3: you stick your finger, it's electric everywhere. And so this patch,
[2:01:29] Speaker 3: when it connects to your body, it connects to your
[2:01:32] Speaker 3: entire body, right? And so your entire body has this
[2:01:35] Speaker 3: positive frequency going throughout it, which is helping you bombard
[2:01:39] Speaker 3: external negative frequencies. So we don't really say that as
[2:01:42] Speaker 3: a claim. We don't ever claim anything, to be honest,
[2:01:45] Speaker 3: because we can't. But, you know, in my opinion, it
[2:01:48] Speaker 3: may help you with the external frequencies connecting to your
[2:01:53] Speaker 3: body because you have the positive ones that are flowing
[2:01:55] Speaker 3: through it when you have our patches. But, yeah, it
[2:01:59] Speaker 3: is a problem because there are so many negative things.
[2:02:02] Speaker 3: You know, 5G is really worrisome in some respects because
[2:02:06] Speaker 3: you start looking at details of it. It's like, ooh, yeah,
[2:02:10] Speaker 3: they could actually make that a really nefarious thing. thing
[2:02:14] Speaker 3: if they want to. And we know that they're doing
[2:02:16] Speaker 3: evil things to us already, right? The pandemic was a
[2:02:20] Speaker 3: pure example of that. And so why can't they make
[2:02:27] Speaker 3: these negative frequencies also harmful and do bad things to people?
[2:02:33] Speaker 3: And then you can go down the rabbit hole of,
[2:02:35] Speaker 3: oh my gosh, the things that are putting in vaccines, right?
[2:02:40] Speaker 3: Can that be affected by a frequency? And What else
[2:02:43] Speaker 3: could be affected by a frequency? And then this can
[2:02:45] Speaker 3: start getting into these really interesting topics that I haven't
[2:02:52] Speaker 3: spent a lot of time researching.
[2:02:53] Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, with the possibilities of what
[2:02:57] Speaker 1: they could be putting in these experimental jabs, graphene oxide,
[2:03:02] Speaker 1: things that react to frequencies, is it possible, do you
[2:03:06] Speaker 1: think it's possible for us to rid our bodies our
[2:03:09] Speaker 1: bodies of some of this toxic material?
[2:03:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an awesome question. And it depends on who
[2:03:16] Speaker 3: you talk to, right? I've talked to a lot of
[2:03:17] Speaker 3: people who said, no, you can't. You know, once it's
[2:03:19] Speaker 3: in there, it's in there forever. And then you talk
[2:03:22] Speaker 3: to other all natural health doctors who say, yes, you
[2:03:24] Speaker 3: can do that. And you do it this way. And so,
[2:03:27] Speaker 3: you know, who do you believe, right? And I think
[2:03:29] Speaker 3: that gets back to the discussion we had earlier. It's like,
[2:03:33] Speaker 3: you have to really do your own research and make
[2:03:35] Speaker 3: up your own mind. Because I can't tell you that
[2:03:37] Speaker 3: it can or it can't. But what you do need
[2:03:40] Speaker 3: to do is understand that there's going to be people
[2:03:42] Speaker 3: that say it can help and there's people that can
[2:03:45] Speaker 3: say that it's not going to help. And so do
[2:03:48] Speaker 3: your own research and dig in and find out, right?
[2:03:51] Speaker 3: Is that person just trying to sell you something because
[2:03:54] Speaker 3: they want to sell you something? Or is it something
[2:03:57] Speaker 3: that really could help me? And or the people who
[2:04:00] Speaker 3: are saying it's never going to help you. Are they
[2:04:02] Speaker 3: how do they know that?
[2:04:03] Speaker 2: Right.
[2:04:03] Speaker 3: And and like I said, I think, you know, God
[2:04:07] Speaker 3: is in God is in control. And I think that,
[2:04:09] Speaker 3: you know, he can heal anybody if he can heal anybody.
[2:04:11] Speaker 3: Then why can't we figure out some way that some
[2:04:15] Speaker 3: mineral or substance on this earth that can help us
[2:04:18] Speaker 3: with it counteract stuff that we've actually had to take?
[2:04:21] Speaker 2: Right?
[2:04:21] Speaker 3: Who knows, right? I think it's, I think it's possible.
[2:04:24] Speaker 3: So sorry for that weird answer, but it's fine. It's
[2:04:26] Speaker 3: a hard one. It's a hard one to say whether
[2:04:28] Speaker 3: or not there is, I haven't seen anything for sure
[2:04:31] Speaker 3: that says that my opinion would say, yes, you can
[2:04:35] Speaker 3: get rid of all of that. But I also haven't,
[2:04:37] Speaker 3: you know, I do know there's a lot of really,
[2:04:39] Speaker 3: really good people who say that you can help get
[2:04:42] Speaker 3: rid of and detoxify your body of a lot of
[2:04:46] Speaker 3: those materials. But one thing I do know for sure,
[2:04:48] Speaker 3: just be real cognizant, you know, Just do your research
[2:04:51] Speaker 3: before putting anything in your body. That's the best way
[2:04:55] Speaker 3: I can say it. Whether it's a pill, whatever it is,
[2:04:58] Speaker 3: just do your research, right? And dig into what is
[2:05:01] Speaker 3: in whatever you're putting in your body so that you
[2:05:05] Speaker 3: know that it's going to be something that's helpful rather
[2:05:08] Speaker 3: than harmful.
[2:05:09] Speaker 2: Right.
[2:05:10] Speaker 1: Earlier you mentioned intentions and how you can actually infuse
[2:05:16] Speaker 1: intentions into these questions. QE patches and some of the
[2:05:20] Speaker 1: technology that you're working with. And it also connects with
[2:05:24] Speaker 1: the Emoto experiments with water and the intentions that cause
[2:05:28] Speaker 1: the different reactions in the water. Tell us a little
[2:05:31] Speaker 1: bit about how you are infusing intentions into your products.
[2:05:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question because that is fun. I literally,
[2:05:39] Speaker 3: I carry this book around with me all the time, right?
[2:05:41] Speaker 3: This is the hidden message of.
[2:05:42] Speaker 2: The water, right?
[2:05:43] Speaker 3: And so the Dr. Emoto's book that he wrote and
[2:05:46] Speaker 3: you start looking at these crystals that have been created
[2:05:50] Speaker 3: with these intentions, right? And you read the book and
[2:05:52] Speaker 3: you start understanding that, oh my gosh, a physical impact,
[2:05:56] Speaker 3: what a word that you say and an intention you
[2:05:58] Speaker 3: have has a physical impact on something is when you,
[2:06:02] Speaker 3: you start to put your mind around that. It's like, wow,
[2:06:05] Speaker 3: that's actually amazing. So how do we harness that? So
[2:06:08] Speaker 3: what we do is we, we harness those into a,
[2:06:11] Speaker 3: we have, I've been working with this doctor who's been
[2:06:13] Speaker 3: working with on this stuff for 30 years, right? So,
[2:06:16] Speaker 3: He's been researching quantum energy from the best doctors in
[2:06:20] Speaker 3: the world. There's a doctor named Dr. Glenn Rine, who's
[2:06:24] Speaker 3: kind of one of the most world-renowned quantum energy scientists.
[2:06:31] Speaker 3: And he's written a number of books. And so my
[2:06:34] Speaker 3: scientist has been learning from him. And it's just been
[2:06:37] Speaker 3: working on this forever. But what they're doing is they're taking...
[2:06:40] Speaker 3: that physical thought and or intention, and then putting the
[2:06:46] Speaker 3: digital signature of that onto that crystalline structure. And so
[2:06:51] Speaker 3: they've built this machine that works really interestingly. And I
[2:06:57] Speaker 3: can't get into too many details, right? Just because I
[2:07:00] Speaker 3: don't want people to copy it. But it is an
[2:07:02] Speaker 3: awesome machine that's been built where we can infuse those
[2:07:06] Speaker 3: little crystals with that digital signature of the Bible verse.
[2:07:10] Speaker 3: the digital signature of the intention and then the actual
[2:07:15] Speaker 3: frequency as well. So it's just taking that, that digital
[2:07:19] Speaker 3: information and applying it onto that little crystal structure. And
[2:07:23] Speaker 3: then that, once you apply it to your body, that's
[2:07:26] Speaker 3: that crystal can connect a little crystal in the structure
[2:07:29] Speaker 3: can connect with the energy system in your body. So
[2:07:32] Speaker 3: it sounds really complex, but yeah, it's, it's really, it's, uh,
[2:07:36] Speaker 3: it is, uh, But what it does is it works,
[2:07:41] Speaker 3: which is so much fun to see the stories we
[2:07:44] Speaker 3: get back from people. It's just like, my gosh, I've
[2:07:47] Speaker 3: had my, you know, back, I've had the C4 intusions
[2:07:51] Speaker 3: and surgeries, and I've never been able to find anything
[2:07:54] Speaker 3: that helps with the pain over time. And they say,
[2:07:57] Speaker 3: your product's the only one that works. helped me in
[2:08:00] Speaker 3: 15 years.
[2:08:01] Speaker 1: Right.
[2:08:01] Speaker 3: And when you hear that type of thing, it's like,
[2:08:03] Speaker 3: just gives you so much confidence that, Hey, what we
[2:08:06] Speaker 3: are doing is we're doing something for good. And we are,
[2:08:09] Speaker 3: we are helping people and we're helping people get off
[2:08:12] Speaker 3: of those stupid big pharma drugs. And, and so that,
[2:08:15] Speaker 3: that's what gets me, it keeps me going every day
[2:08:17] Speaker 3: is just hearing those, those good reports back from our customers.
[2:08:23] Speaker 1: How important do you think it is that we believe
[2:08:27] Speaker 1: that these things are working, that we perceive that these
[2:08:31] Speaker 1: frequencies can help us instead of denying it because we've
[2:08:35] Speaker 1: been stuck in this paradigm that we're supposed to take
[2:08:37] Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals and a pill to cure ourselves when in reality
[2:08:41] Speaker 1: we can do it ourselves? How important is having that understanding?
[2:08:45] Speaker 3: I think it's very, I think it's very important to
[2:08:47] Speaker 3: be honest. Cause I think you can, you can take,
[2:08:49] Speaker 3: you have these products and you take them and you
[2:08:54] Speaker 3: think the initial thing you think is this will not
[2:08:56] Speaker 3: work for me. And this is stupid. And this is,
[2:08:59] Speaker 3: you know, woo woo or whatever you want to call it.
[2:09:01] Speaker 3: It's not going to help you. Right. But if you
[2:09:03] Speaker 3: believe and you understand that it has helped people, that's
[2:09:06] Speaker 3: why we really try to tell stories of people that
[2:09:08] Speaker 3: it has helped. Because once you hear that story, you're like, ah,
[2:09:12] Speaker 3: that does, give me hope. I do believe that may help,
[2:09:17] Speaker 3: and maybe it will help me. And once you open
[2:09:19] Speaker 3: that door to some positivity, then the product works better.
[2:09:22] Speaker 3: In fact, what we do is we have this study
[2:09:24] Speaker 3: guide that we want you to, Monday through Sunday, it
[2:09:29] Speaker 3: has a different intention and a different Bible verse that
[2:09:33] Speaker 3: we want you to literally read out loud. Because when
[2:09:36] Speaker 3: you read it out loud, you're declaring it with your mouth, right?
[2:09:39] Speaker 3: You're reading it with your eyes, And you're hearing yourself
[2:09:42] Speaker 3: read it. So you're using your ears. And then when
[2:09:44] Speaker 3: you apply the patch to your body, that's the touch.
[2:09:48] Speaker 3: So you're using four out of your five God-given senses
[2:09:52] Speaker 3: to help you with your problem, right? So I think
[2:09:55] Speaker 3: that the combination of those, we call it the quantum effect.
[2:09:58] Speaker 3: It's like, it's just a multi-sensory way to help you
[2:10:01] Speaker 3: with the problem. And then you get your mind right.
[2:10:04] Speaker 3: And when you get your mind right, your intentions are right.
[2:10:07] Speaker 3: And guess what? Like we talked about earlier, your mind
[2:10:10] Speaker 3: is so powerful. It can do so much good that
[2:10:13] Speaker 3: your mind may be the reason why you're healing. And
[2:10:16] Speaker 3: that's fine. I know my product works, but if it's
[2:10:19] Speaker 3: someone that has released something that gets them rid of
[2:10:21] Speaker 3: their pain and that's what heals their pain, boom, who cares, right?
[2:10:25] Speaker 3: I don't care how it helps people. I just want
[2:10:28] Speaker 3: them to be helped. So that's why I get so
[2:10:32] Speaker 3: excited about this.
[2:10:34] Speaker 1: Do you think there are essentially no limits to what...
[2:10:38] Speaker 1: this can heal and what it can do for the
[2:10:41] Speaker 1: human body, as in chronic diseases, possibly cancers, things that
[2:10:48] Speaker 1: we believe that there are no traditional cures for?
[2:10:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, I think
[2:10:55] Speaker 3: there's going to be cures for a lot of things
[2:10:57] Speaker 3: that we just don't understand, right? You always have heard
[2:11:00] Speaker 3: about the med beds, right? It's like, who knows, right,
[2:11:02] Speaker 3: about whether or not those are going to be going
[2:11:05] Speaker 3: to be a reality but i do believe that there
[2:11:08] Speaker 3: are lots of things that are going to to improve
[2:11:11] Speaker 3: and i think that you know god made a body's
[2:11:14] Speaker 3: amazing right and if we if we can just harness
[2:11:17] Speaker 3: what is out there in the earth and what he
[2:11:19] Speaker 3: has created and what he's– and he made these scientists, right?
[2:11:23] Speaker 3: So he's made these people who are really, really smart
[2:11:26] Speaker 3: and are really creative and really figuring out solutions. And
[2:11:30] Speaker 3: so that's why I love our modern medicine people still, right?
[2:11:33] Speaker 3: I mean, they're amazing people. They're really smart people. And
[2:11:36] Speaker 3: he– God made them as well, right? He gave them
[2:11:39] Speaker 3: the– the brains that they have, and they're starting to
[2:11:42] Speaker 3: figure out so many cool things. And modern medicine is,
[2:11:46] Speaker 3: I don't, I'm not going to say all modern medicine
[2:11:48] Speaker 3: is bad because there's some really awesome things that it
[2:11:50] Speaker 3: is doing to help people cure, right. And help get
[2:11:54] Speaker 3: people get over issues. So do I believe that we're
[2:11:58] Speaker 3: going to get there? Yeah, I do. I think that, uh,
[2:12:01] Speaker 3: you know, there's going to be cures for lots of things.
[2:12:03] Speaker 3: And I think there's lots of cures that have been hidden, uh,
[2:12:07] Speaker 3: just because of the financial incentive is so huge that
[2:12:12] Speaker 3: if people found out about those solutions, that the big
[2:12:19] Speaker 3: pharmaceutical companies and their billions of dollars wouldn't have the
[2:12:24] Speaker 3: money that they do make. And maybe 10 years ago,
[2:12:29] Speaker 3: I would have thought what I just said was absolutely crazy.
[2:12:32] Speaker 3: But then you start digging into... the censorship, you start
[2:12:36] Speaker 3: digging into what happened to all these really good doctors, right?
[2:12:39] Speaker 3: And these naturopaths and why are they being vilified? And
[2:12:44] Speaker 3: most of that is really thrown underneath a rug. And
[2:12:47] Speaker 3: so you never hear about it. And then, you know,
[2:12:50] Speaker 3: what really came out to light during this pandemic was
[2:12:54] Speaker 3: that censorship, right? That's the first time in my history
[2:12:58] Speaker 3: that this censorship was way out front and very visible.
[2:13:02] Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gosh, these doctors were just
[2:13:04] Speaker 3: being crucified. And it was just amazing to see how
[2:13:11] Speaker 3: strong that censorship was and how brutal it was. And
[2:13:15] Speaker 3: then you started seeing how all of us, the mainstream
[2:13:18] Speaker 3: media and social media companies did really compress and hide
[2:13:23] Speaker 3: this information that may have helped a lot of people.
[2:13:27] Speaker 3: So that's really frustrating to me. It's like, how can
[2:13:29] Speaker 3: we as an open society, you know, purposefully crush you
[2:13:34] Speaker 3: know things that can help people and this doesn't make
[2:13:37] Speaker 3: make sense.
[2:13:37] Speaker 1: It's one of the most nefarious things that's occurring is
[2:13:41] Speaker 1: this medical hexing where the medical industry puts out there
[2:13:46] Speaker 1: that there's no cure for this you can't do anything
[2:13:49] Speaker 1: but the doctor prescribed cures for whatever is ailing you
[2:13:55] Speaker 1: and anything else especially anything natural is not either not
[2:13:59] Speaker 1: going to work or have an even more negative effect
[2:14:02] Speaker 1: on you. And this is what's put into the consciousness
[2:14:06] Speaker 1: of society, that only the medical industries and the doctors
[2:14:11] Speaker 1: and the pharmaceuticals and the medicines can help cure you,
[2:14:15] Speaker 1: and that if you try and cure yourself naturally, that
[2:14:20] Speaker 1: you're crazy, you're woo-woo, and nothing's going to help you.
[2:14:25] Speaker 1: So this is another huge problem that we face.
[2:14:28] Speaker 3: It is. And it's really sad, right? Really, really, really sad.
[2:14:32] Speaker 3: And it's just sickening when you realize that that's happening
[2:14:35] Speaker 3: because you're like, how could people do that, right? And
[2:14:39] Speaker 3: I would have never thought that was possible. Like I mentioned,
[2:14:42] Speaker 3: I was in the matrix, right? I didn't see it,
[2:14:46] Speaker 3: but now I've seen it. So once you've seen it,
[2:14:49] Speaker 3: you can't unsee it. So it's like, okay, yeah, this
[2:14:53] Speaker 3: is bad. So we as a society need to rise
[2:14:56] Speaker 3: up and and, uh, you know, fight for what's right. And, uh,
[2:15:00] Speaker 3: I think that's the only way we're going to do
[2:15:02] Speaker 3: it is if, if enough people are awake to the
[2:15:05] Speaker 3: issue and awake to the problem, um, that we, we
[2:15:08] Speaker 3: demand that the, you know, can't continue. And, uh, it'll
[2:15:12] Speaker 3: be interesting to see, like I mentioned the next, next
[2:15:15] Speaker 3: few years to see how that all, all plays out.
[2:15:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, a hundred percent. Rob, you're doing some incredible work.
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