# Chris Laterreur | Terror At Montauk, Human Experimentation, Mind Control, SRA & Alter Creation

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 5 Jun 2026, 1 h 02 min.

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## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:04] Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
[0:08] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:10] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:14] Speaker 1: your host Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Chris Letter.
[0:18] Speaker 1: I've got great upcoming guests like Weezy, Richard Syret, Christian Kinney,
[0:23] Speaker 1: and rad Enlightenment. Be on the lookout for those. Check
[0:26] Speaker 1: out my films A Cult. Louisiana's on two B. Doors
[0:29] Speaker 1: of Perception is on Amazon Prime. We are booking guests
[0:33] Speaker 1: for July. If you have suggestions or you'd like to
[0:36] Speaker 1: be a guest, email me Forbidden Knowledgenews at gmail dot com.
[0:41] Speaker 1: Today I want to welcome Chris Letter. He is a
[0:44] Speaker 1: Montak Project survivor and author of Terror at Montak. His
[0:49] Speaker 1: testimony is part of the Dark Puzzle of government black ops,
[0:53] Speaker 1: time travel experiments and psychic warfare carried out at Camp
[0:58] Speaker 1: Hero in Montauk, New York. Chris, Welcome, How you doing good?
[1:03] Speaker 1: You I'm excellent. Yes, it's great to have you on today.
[1:08] Speaker 1: We're going to discuss your fascinating and terrifying testimony about
[1:12] Speaker 1: your experiences as a Montalk Project survivor after being recruited
[1:17] Speaker 1: from a Canadian school job Fair, and you've experienced everything
[1:22] Speaker 1: from psychoactive drugs and astral projection experimentation to the infamous
[1:28] Speaker 1: Montak chair and horrific abusive testing. It's difficult to imagine
[1:33] Speaker 1: a world where this is not only allowed, but perpetrated
[1:37] Speaker 1: by our own governments, military, and medical institutions. There's a
[1:41] Speaker 1: lot to your story before we get to it, briefly,
[1:45] Speaker 1: let the audience know a little bit about yourself and
[1:47] Speaker 1: let them know how they can find out more.
[1:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm a Canadian. I was in the great
[1:56] Speaker 2: Montreal area, and yeah, recruited in a public school like
[2:04] Speaker 2: like we were brought with the kindergarten to a job
[2:09] Speaker 2: exhibit like job fair, and people were talking about their trades.
[2:13] Speaker 2: They all had little boots with like stuff about their
[2:15] Speaker 2: trades and on tables and and the last boot were
[2:19] Speaker 2: cops and military. They had guns like drug sample and
[2:25] Speaker 2: like they offered us to participate in a secret project.
[2:30] Speaker 2: We were all kids, we were all like mativated by
[2:32] Speaker 2: the idea, like and yeah, we had checklists to fill
[2:37] Speaker 2: out there like the kindergarten teacher because we're like even
[2:42] Speaker 2: too young to write, so like she was like writing
[2:46] Speaker 2: for us and like, are you sure you know? Like
[2:48] Speaker 2: because she was asking the question and we all wanted
[2:52] Speaker 2: to be bad ass. So like there were a different field.
[2:56] Speaker 2: But like you're a kid, you don't know what you're
[2:58] Speaker 2: getting into.
[2:59] Speaker 1: So so the booth was under the guise of law
[3:04] Speaker 1: enforcement training.
[3:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, like a military and there were cops and yeah,
[3:10] Speaker 2: like they were yeah, just talking about their trades, and
[3:15] Speaker 2: like they offered us to participate in that secret project.
[3:18] Speaker 1: Interesting. Now, before we get into your story, let the
[3:21] Speaker 1: audience know how they can get your book and find
[3:24] Speaker 1: out more about you.
[3:24] Speaker 2: In general, the only place that is available is like
[3:30] Speaker 2: on my website at terror at montalk dot com or
[3:35] Speaker 2: like on Lulu dot com because I tried to like
[3:39] Speaker 2: put it on Amazon and the next day I was
[3:41] Speaker 2: banned for life.
[3:43] Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, Well let's get into your story. So
[3:48] Speaker 1: you're at this job fair, you approached this booth where
[3:53] Speaker 1: these police and military are enticing you to sign up.
[3:57] Speaker 1: What happens next.
[4:00] Speaker 2: Well, they gave me papers for my parents and if
[4:03] Speaker 2: they were okay to sign them, to get them signed
[4:08] Speaker 2: back to school and we would get an appointment, which
[4:11] Speaker 2: I did. My mom signed and like from there, we
[4:16] Speaker 2: had an appointment with John getting cured, the chief recruiter
[4:20] Speaker 2: of the CIA, Wow, some military and cops and like
[4:28] Speaker 2: the principal of school.
[4:30] Speaker 1: And yeah, were your parents aware that you were participating
[4:35] Speaker 1: in this?
[4:36] Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, like they were explaining that this would be
[4:39] Speaker 2: done to like trauma, that I would become a genius
[4:43] Speaker 2: because like with the help of those trauma like they
[4:45] Speaker 2: would like make that all my brain would like be
[4:48] Speaker 2: synchronized and work like both side compared to regular people,
[4:52] Speaker 2: it's half of it that works.
[4:54] Speaker 1: So and they were allowing anyone to sign up for this.
[5:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, there weren't like because some people say, oh, it's
[5:03] Speaker 2: like family lineage and no, no, no, Like it was
[5:08] Speaker 2: like all kinds of like from the risk kids to
[5:13] Speaker 2: the poor kids. You know.
[5:16] Speaker 1: So how did it begin? Was it an after school
[5:21] Speaker 1: meeting that you went to? Did they pick you up
[5:24] Speaker 1: from somewhere? How did that go?
[5:27] Speaker 2: My first appointment, like I had to go to school
[5:29] Speaker 2: and it was the first time I was going to
[5:31] Speaker 2: school walking by myself there because like I was six
[5:36] Speaker 2: and I yeah, like I went there and I like
[5:41] Speaker 2: we had to watch, like there were a machine and
[5:44] Speaker 2: we were looking into it, and like there were different
[5:47] Speaker 2: lenses of colors and they were passing like all kinds
[5:52] Speaker 2: of image of war, like a like a second World war,
[5:56] Speaker 2: like like nuclear blasts, like adult scenes, murder scenes, suicide scenes,
[6:04] Speaker 2: stuff like that, like traumatic stuff. Yeah for and like
[6:09] Speaker 2: all on different colors and like and we were also
[6:14] Speaker 2: drug there, Like they gave us a bit of.
[6:16] Speaker 1: The first day you were drugged. Yeah, yeah, for the
[6:20] Speaker 1: do you know what they gave you?
[6:22] Speaker 2: I'm not sure that time, and like after it was LSD,
[6:28] Speaker 2: but like I'm not sure if it was LSD that time.
[6:31] Speaker 2: We had to sleep an hour after we watched all
[6:33] Speaker 2: those images before we could leave the school back to
[6:37] Speaker 2: our place.
[6:38] Speaker 1: Do you remember how the drug the first time made
[6:42] Speaker 1: you feel? What were the effects?
[6:46] Speaker 2: I remember my first LSD trip at seven years old
[6:49] Speaker 2: because we were in a like a class. We were
[6:54] Speaker 2: like probably ten kids, and like there were a few
[6:57] Speaker 2: parents that were over checking us, and uh, Michael Aquino
[7:01] Speaker 2: brought uh plate with.
[7:04] Speaker 1: Like Michael himself, Yeah wow.
[7:09] Speaker 2: He brought this to uh like our principle and he
[7:12] Speaker 2: was standing behind our principal and she was distributing distributing
[7:17] Speaker 2: this to all of us, and like there were like
[7:20] Speaker 2: banana Prido's LSD and like there were a sour juice
[7:24] Speaker 2: with it, so uh and like there were two cups
[7:28] Speaker 2: left at LSD and me and my buddy Steve, Hey,
[7:31] Speaker 2: can we have those? So like she just turned head
[7:34] Speaker 2: and like a quino just like hugged the head. Like yeah, woa,
[7:38] Speaker 2: we took this, Me and Steve. Yeah, that that was
[7:41] Speaker 2: like hitting hard, like seven years old.
[7:46] Speaker 1: Did they have you do any activities while you were
[7:51] Speaker 1: under the effects? What was the experimentation about with the
[7:55] Speaker 1: LSD specifically.
[7:58] Speaker 2: Well, they brought us like a Cadi's cup and we
[8:00] Speaker 2: had to look in it until we find a face.
[8:04] Speaker 1: Huh.
[8:05] Speaker 2: So yeah, like we were.
[8:09] Speaker 1: You had to look at what until you found a face?
[8:11] Speaker 1: What were you looking at? Okay?
[8:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah we're looking into it and uh they
[8:19] Speaker 2: brought like the Wizard of Oz. We had to watch
[8:22] Speaker 2: this really but yeah, and uh at some point also
[8:29] Speaker 2: like we had like Walt Disney flyers because we had
[8:32] Speaker 2: like trips to Walt Disney to go do some testing
[8:34] Speaker 2: there at NASA. So like yeah, like they send us
[8:39] Speaker 2: to UH, but I went twice to UH to Florida
[8:44] Speaker 2: like for a week just to do like a simple
[8:46] Speaker 2: tests at NASA.
[8:48] Speaker 1: Like so, wow, what did your parents think about this?
[8:52] Speaker 1: Were they supported? Did they know what was going on?
[8:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, like the they touched money for that, Like in
[8:59] Speaker 2: my case, my mom like yeah, like she got money
[9:02] Speaker 2: and like we're like, uh, supported by the elite people
[9:07] Speaker 2: like you know for yeah, that was like nice promises.
[9:13] Speaker 2: They made it nice, like so that she would sign
[9:16] Speaker 2: and they watered down everything and that meeting like you know,
[9:21] Speaker 2: like it's done to light traumall. You won't remember nothing
[9:24] Speaker 2: because of you knows and you know, and like it's
[9:27] Speaker 2: all fancy suits. So put yourself at the place of
[9:30] Speaker 2: a parent. They were grabbing a lot of kids and yeah,
[9:35] Speaker 2: like uh, the ones that were recruited like we have
[9:40] Speaker 2: like a pensions for later and all. But like the
[9:43] Speaker 2: one that didn't make it, like the parents were touching
[9:46] Speaker 2: three hundred grand.
[9:49] Speaker 1: So the kids that died, the parents were given three
[9:52] Speaker 1: hundred grand.
[9:53] Speaker 2: Wow.
[9:54] Speaker 1: Did they have a lot of kids that died?
[9:57] Speaker 2: Well? I saw a few, But like in my school,
[10:02] Speaker 2: like the school that was like used by the CIA,
[10:05] Speaker 2: because the CIA bought a school and they bought the
[10:08] Speaker 2: little church in front as their undercover office and uh
[10:12] Speaker 2: like in the first year of that school, like after
[10:15] Speaker 2: the kids were gone, like from the first to the
[10:19] Speaker 2: second year. So uh. And it's a small town, so
[10:24] Speaker 2: like it's not like everybody that moves out of town,
[10:26] Speaker 2: you know.
[10:27] Speaker 1: Like yeah, so they were most likely covering up a
[10:29] Speaker 1: lot of the deaths and you wouldn't hear anything about it.
[10:33] Speaker 2: No, they just moved. They just moved.
[10:36] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[10:37] Speaker 2: Wow.
[10:39] Speaker 1: So how did the testing progress? She started out early
[10:44] Speaker 1: with drugs and LSD. What was next for you?
[10:49] Speaker 2: A lot of testing because like they were giving us LSD.
[10:52] Speaker 2: The goal of it, like what they were saying was
[10:55] Speaker 2: to open the doors of the mine, so like make
[11:00] Speaker 2: us explore and like uh yeah, and they were like
[11:04] Speaker 2: teaching us like mid station and mood rows and all
[11:07] Speaker 2: kinds of stuff like that to like being in tueed ourselves.
[11:12] Speaker 1: Like meditation techniques.
[11:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, to like for for the astro projection and like
[11:18] Speaker 2: because yeah, like that's the kind of of a test
[11:24] Speaker 2: they were like making us practice and yeah.
[11:30] Speaker 1: Tell us about the astro projection experiments. How were these
[11:34] Speaker 1: taken out?
[11:37] Speaker 2: Well, like they were teaching this at school, but like
[11:40] Speaker 2: they were like you know, like and telling us to
[11:44] Speaker 2: practice home by ourself because like at school there were
[11:48] Speaker 2: always people moving around and like you know, like like
[11:51] Speaker 2: to get the deep. So but yeah, like I tried
[11:56] Speaker 2: for a while, and like me in my case, it
[11:59] Speaker 2: was hard, like you know, like wasn't working. And at
[12:04] Speaker 2: some point I don't know what change, but like it
[12:07] Speaker 2: was almost instantly like so like yeah, once you do it,
[12:12] Speaker 2: like it comes like easier.
[12:14] Speaker 1: Like so, were they trying to find people with specific
[12:20] Speaker 1: abilities to groom them for certain positions.
[12:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's what. So like like there weren't only
[12:31] Speaker 2: like military and like you know, there's medical field, there's politics,
[12:37] Speaker 2: there's police, there's like you know, like all the pull
[12:42] Speaker 2: in charge today are like and it's a variety of
[12:46] Speaker 2: like from they took like from like I said, like
[12:50] Speaker 2: some poor kids and also some rich kids, like you know,
[12:54] Speaker 2: like so it's really a certain missus. Everybody was done
[12:58] Speaker 2: in a public school. When the people from the CIA
[13:03] Speaker 2: were coming at that school to train us, the few
[13:07] Speaker 2: kids that weren't in the project were sent to the
[13:10] Speaker 2: movie days or like field trips or stuff like that,
[13:13] Speaker 2: or like mixed with another class to do other stuff.
[13:17] Speaker 2: And like the other class was mixed with us, to
[13:19] Speaker 2: like do the CIA stuff the trainings.
[13:23] Speaker 1: Wow, that is crazy. So when you're talking points, it
[13:27] Speaker 1: says you were assigned an alias on the way to Montalk.
[13:32] Speaker 1: They just assigned you with a new name.
[13:35] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well because like when we were brought to Montalk,
[13:40] Speaker 2: we knew the place was gonna be hard, and all
[13:42] Speaker 2: they told us on the way there that we could
[13:44] Speaker 2: be interrogated, and all they gave us other names to
[13:48] Speaker 2: give and like that was like, you know, like why
[13:52] Speaker 2: we all had like different names there?
[13:55] Speaker 1: And when were you taken to Montalk? How long into
[14:00] Speaker 1: the program was this?
[14:03] Speaker 2: I was like I did astro projection tests and like
[14:09] Speaker 2: a closed gasket and water, like yeah, I had to
[14:14] Speaker 2: go and get like two words. No, that wasn't another
[14:20] Speaker 2: school and yeah, like my cup handler was in another
[14:28] Speaker 2: school holding two words on him and like me, I
[14:32] Speaker 2: was like laying down in that gasket. There were a
[14:36] Speaker 2: cover also that they closed, so then pitch dark and
[14:39] Speaker 2: they strapped your head in that water, so like you
[14:41] Speaker 2: have a nine from a there And as soon as
[14:44] Speaker 2: they closed the cover, there's like water splashing in it,
[14:48] Speaker 2: so like it's like waterboarding, and uh, there's a two
[14:53] Speaker 2: way speaker in there, and yeah, I had to go
[14:55] Speaker 2: and get those words, and when I said those words,
[14:58] Speaker 2: they stopped them. Chin. I was the only one that
[15:00] Speaker 2: they that did it, like probably not the only one
[15:03] Speaker 2: that did that test, but like that that succeeded. So
[15:08] Speaker 2: like yeah, they were really happy that day, like and
[15:12] Speaker 2: that sent me to Montalk.
[15:14] Speaker 1: So tell us about what happened at Montagu. Where were
[15:18] Speaker 1: some of your experiences there.
[15:21] Speaker 2: The first few times I went, Jack one of the
[15:26] Speaker 2: anglers was picking me up home with this black BMW
[15:30] Speaker 2: and like we were driving there and like we were
[15:34] Speaker 2: going to the acid house and like after like directly
[15:39] Speaker 2: to the Montalk chair and like there I was like
[15:43] Speaker 2: exploring for them. But the time that I went, like that,
[15:50] Speaker 2: the event happened, like I was sent there like with
[15:54] Speaker 2: as like like the other regular kids that were going there,
[15:58] Speaker 2: and I went the tunnels and like the cage there
[16:04] Speaker 2: and also yeah, that's yeah, that was an evil place.
[16:09] Speaker 2: You know, Like we're getting at Montuk there were a
[16:12] Speaker 2: six hour drive like in a cop car, like like
[16:18] Speaker 2: a ghost cop car, like you don't and yeah, we're
[16:25] Speaker 2: getting there in the middle of the night. Were walking
[16:27] Speaker 2: in a little wood path and like there were a
[16:31] Speaker 2: concrete atch like with a middle door. We're going down
[16:35] Speaker 2: and like probably thirty feet and after we're getting undressed,
[16:40] Speaker 2: like just in our underwear, they were giving us more
[16:45] Speaker 2: LSD and they were putting us in cage. And after
[16:49] Speaker 2: they were traumatizing us in those.
[16:51] Speaker 1: Cages, would you be able to tell us just a
[16:54] Speaker 1: little bit about what they were doing without getting to
[16:58] Speaker 1: horrific detail. Are they doing to torture you?
[17:02] Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? They were like an open room, like there
[17:07] Speaker 2: were like a pan, a water pan like to feed cattles,
[17:12] Speaker 2: and like they were bringing us there and like uh
[17:16] Speaker 2: uh sometimes a few at a time, and like somebody
[17:20] Speaker 2: had like uh one of the guards had like a
[17:22] Speaker 2: stunt like a cattle prop and he was carrying us.
[17:26] Speaker 2: We couldn't look while like the other one was like
[17:29] Speaker 2: uh doing waterboarding to the kid that was there, and
[17:34] Speaker 2: like we all had to go like but yeah, they
[17:37] Speaker 2: were waterboarding us till we were giving up, you know,
[17:40] Speaker 2: like and when like we didn't fight, like they were
[17:44] Speaker 2: like getting the water out of us, okay, yeah, Like
[17:48] Speaker 2: and like they were putting so like you were at
[17:52] Speaker 2: some point you kind of like you're you're getting like
[17:55] Speaker 2: what's going on? Like you and that's how you like
[17:59] Speaker 2: they made made the associate and like they were programming
[18:02] Speaker 2: those alters. And but yeah, like that's just a sample
[18:06] Speaker 2: because like, uh, there were kids that got raped. There's
[18:11] Speaker 2: like one thing scary. They brought a pig. I don't
[18:16] Speaker 2: know how they brought him. The pig was alive, a
[18:19] Speaker 2: big pig, and like they brought him in the middle
[18:22] Speaker 2: of the hallway, like and it's a tunnel, and they
[18:25] Speaker 2: started butchering him, but like super slow so that he
[18:28] Speaker 2: would quill. But the sound of a pig that's quill
[18:32] Speaker 2: like this in the tunnel, Like that's scary when you're
[18:36] Speaker 2: a kid.
[18:38] Speaker 1: You mentioned a key aspect of the experimentation here. You
[18:42] Speaker 1: said they were torturing to fracture your consciousness into different
[18:46] Speaker 1: alternate personalities. This was for some of the darker programs
[18:53] Speaker 1: like Assassins, Beta, sex Kittens, all the different personalities that
[18:58] Speaker 1: were being programmed. Was this some of the similar personalities
[19:02] Speaker 1: that they were trying to achieve with you.
[19:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was all like to create like different
[19:09] Speaker 2: personalities and like like they traumatize us after like they
[19:14] Speaker 2: program us while like they programmed the altar after like
[19:17] Speaker 2: they put it back in us like and eraised this
[19:20] Speaker 2: with the if no, so like it's just programm inside
[19:22] Speaker 2: us and it comes out.
[19:23] Speaker 1: Like do you know if you have split alters from
[19:30] Speaker 1: those experiences?
[19:31] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like yeah, like sometimes I don't write the
[19:37] Speaker 2: same way or you know, like some stuff triggers, like
[19:42] Speaker 2: and yeah, like I noticed little things.
[19:46] Speaker 1: Like you know, like now do you know if you
[19:48] Speaker 1: were used for any specific tasks or missions anything like that?
[19:56] Speaker 2: Well, I was like the way they were doing this
[19:59] Speaker 2: is like like that I noticed, like and maybe it's
[20:03] Speaker 2: worse than that, like but that's what I like, I
[20:06] Speaker 2: can like confirm because like that's the part that I remember.
[20:11] Speaker 2: And like how like uh, because you think it's a dream,
[20:14] Speaker 2: like when they use you, like it feels like a dream.
[20:18] Speaker 2: So and the next day there's a target like a
[20:23] Speaker 2: team that like keeps you busy, you know, and like
[20:26] Speaker 2: like you're so used to like those image of violence
[20:30] Speaker 2: and like because there's all they always taught us, like
[20:33] Speaker 2: the worst of the worst, so like from like six
[20:37] Speaker 2: years old. So like for us it's nothing. So like
[20:42] Speaker 2: when we're like kept busy the next day and all,
[20:45] Speaker 2: and like it's like a movie, like we are a
[20:47] Speaker 2: dream or like we just like we don't even get
[20:50] Speaker 2: stuck on this, So like that's how they like I
[20:56] Speaker 2: notice and like those those moments that like we remember,
[21:01] Speaker 2: they often come back, like in the form of a dream. Yeah.
[21:06] Speaker 1: So I've heard from other experiences that associated with the
[21:11] Speaker 1: creation of alternate personalities, they may also be summoning other
[21:18] Speaker 1: intelligences or even demonic entities to inhabit a person. Is
[21:22] Speaker 1: that correct?
[21:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there were like yeah, they were like reincarnation
[21:28] Speaker 2: ritual was a big part of like the project because
[21:32] Speaker 2: like they were like the Michael like we know in
[21:35] Speaker 2: this and like I met anton Avito at some point.
[21:39] Speaker 2: Like they were like a big, a big event like
[21:44] Speaker 2: at the first building of the ots and like there
[21:48] Speaker 2: were like a stage and like the yeah, they did
[21:51] Speaker 2: a ritual there and there were up this tower. I
[21:54] Speaker 2: had to stand in it and like while they were
[21:58] Speaker 2: doing I just learned it was a ritual of resurrection
[22:04] Speaker 2: from the underworld. So yeah, like and that's why I
[22:09] Speaker 2: was standing in that tower there.
[22:11] Speaker 1: Like tell us what the Sage Radar tower is.
[22:17] Speaker 2: Uh, that's like technical, Like yeah, it was connected to
[22:23] Speaker 2: that chair, like you know, like the chair that's what Yeah.
[22:27] Speaker 1: The now what exactly is this? For those that aren't
[22:31] Speaker 1: familiar tell us about that.
[22:33] Speaker 2: Okay, the Month Talk chair was a mix of technology.
[22:36] Speaker 2: They were like atoms on it that were like a
[22:41] Speaker 2: gas bottle in the back like and they were like
[22:43] Speaker 2: a mask that they were putting on her face and
[22:47] Speaker 2: they were making us breathe. Flower that just that was
[22:51] Speaker 2: just discovered in the Everglades was a ghost or kid.
[22:55] Speaker 2: It was just discovered in the eighties. So we were
[23:00] Speaker 2: the vapors of that flower. And yeah, we had like
[23:04] Speaker 2: a little helmet like sometimes was a white cotton type
[23:10] Speaker 2: but the last time they didn't have any more of those.
[23:13] Speaker 2: And it was a screen so like and they put
[23:16] Speaker 2: like all those like little monitors on it. And uh,
[23:19] Speaker 2: that was Preston Nichols that was doing this and putting
[23:25] Speaker 2: like a kata tie because I was going there for
[23:28] Speaker 2: hours at a time.
[23:29] Speaker 1: So yeah, that's how old were you when you were
[23:34] Speaker 1: first enlisted in this program? And what year was that?
[23:38] Speaker 2: Six? And I was it wasn't eighty one.
[23:42] Speaker 1: And how long were you in that program?
[23:47] Speaker 2: The month Talk part, Like before I got my my
[23:50] Speaker 2: insurance paper, my asset card, and now was like six
[23:54] Speaker 2: years and after they were coming to get me like
[23:58] Speaker 2: at school out of nowhere, like doing a few tests
[24:02] Speaker 2: bringing me back and yeah.
[24:05] Speaker 1: Going back to the Montac chair for a moment. What
[24:08] Speaker 1: were some of the other purposes that they were utilizing
[24:11] Speaker 1: this for.
[24:15] Speaker 2: There's like a portal that they were installing in front
[24:20] Speaker 2: of us. Okay, that was like a bit like I mean,
[24:24] Speaker 2: we're a flat queen today, okay, but like the thing
[24:29] Speaker 2: was really like water we look and like they had
[24:33] Speaker 2: the tarp of it. As soon as they were lifting
[24:35] Speaker 2: the tarp, like the it was kind of pulling you
[24:38] Speaker 2: out of body experience right away, like like super easy
[24:41] Speaker 2: to like get out of body to asktro project So
[24:45] Speaker 2: like Preston was next to us with the little path
[24:50] Speaker 2: and checking his computers and all and like giving us
[24:53] Speaker 2: a list of tasks to go, uh go there, check
[24:57] Speaker 2: okay what you see and he was just taking not everything,
[25:00] Speaker 2: mapping everything we were doing this, but many of us
[25:04] Speaker 2: like didn't come back from that portal like we like
[25:09] Speaker 2: that's one of the probably the the only fear that
[25:13] Speaker 2: they really like, not to go too far when we're
[25:17] Speaker 2: practicing actual projection, as we could get lost. So uh
[25:22] Speaker 2: and I think that's how a lot of the kids
[25:25] Speaker 2: in Monk died because supposedly one of us made it
[25:30] Speaker 2: out of that part.
[25:32] Speaker 1: WHOA Could you tell us about some of your astral experiences?
[25:38] Speaker 1: Were they having you do specific tasks or just exploring
[25:42] Speaker 1: the realm?
[25:45] Speaker 2: Uh? It's depending like yeah, like uh, depending like where
[25:53] Speaker 2: they were sending me, like like they were not no
[25:57] Speaker 2: one like no timer space li it like you know,
[26:02] Speaker 2: like they were sending us everywhere. Yeah, like and asking
[26:08] Speaker 2: questions and like I don't know if it's like they
[26:13] Speaker 2: probably did this to all the kids I went there
[26:16] Speaker 2: and like just compare those notes and like to map everything,
[26:19] Speaker 2: you know, like that's.
[26:22] Speaker 1: Did they have you communicate with anything any other metaphysical intelligences?
[26:30] Speaker 2: Well? Actually, like they brought me under back of Ville
[26:36] Speaker 2: Air Force in Canada. That's another It's a big dumb
[26:41] Speaker 2: base like there, and like there's tunnels there and like
[26:44] Speaker 2: they were traveling us and like golf cart like they
[26:46] Speaker 2: had like little wagons in the back and yeah, like
[26:50] Speaker 2: we were crossing other golf carts like and yeah, like
[26:57] Speaker 2: they brought me to Anadia and it was like Annus
[27:00] Speaker 2: and like I was laying on the table and it
[27:02] Speaker 2: was like exploring me. So uh.
[27:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, were you on LSD or any other substances during
[27:10] Speaker 1: this experience? Or was it sober?
[27:12] Speaker 2: No, No, because like actually that time I was in
[27:17] Speaker 2: a scout in the Scouts and like we were on
[27:21] Speaker 2: a field trip and like in the middle of the
[27:24] Speaker 2: night they came and wake us up in the in
[27:26] Speaker 2: the tents and we had to walk a bit and
[27:29] Speaker 2: like there were two choppers and like we did the
[27:31] Speaker 2: night flight to that bagt vial. We got in the store,
[27:35] Speaker 2: like they moved back like we got in the spiral
[27:38] Speaker 2: and after to being like a mouse with antic staircase
[27:44] Speaker 2: kind of thing but like super long like so and
[27:49] Speaker 2: after like yeah, they brought me to that alien. I
[27:53] Speaker 2: had to undress and all, and like my handler was
[27:56] Speaker 2: the other side and talking to me like don't be scared.
[27:59] Speaker 2: I wasn't scared, Like it was like Star Wars and
[28:02] Speaker 2: like I wasn't Like, so.
[28:06] Speaker 1: This was a physical mantis being right in front of you.
[28:10] Speaker 1: How tall was it.
[28:14] Speaker 2: Probably like almost human size but like it's like you know,
[28:21] Speaker 2: like skinny, like it's not a human. That wasn't like
[28:26] Speaker 2: a suit like yeah, I wouldn't fit, and yeah, like
[28:32] Speaker 2: it was just exploring me and like did it communicate, Yeah,
[28:37] Speaker 2: like did it partically? And uh like uh they made
[28:42] Speaker 2: me look into a light for like a while before
[28:45] Speaker 2: like you know, like but I was still see it.
[28:48] Speaker 1: And what other non human entities were involved with this
[28:56] Speaker 1: project or that you witnessed in any way.
[29:02] Speaker 2: There's stuff that I didn't with sor right, Like I
[29:05] Speaker 2: wasn't conscious of it, but like because like yeah, they
[29:10] Speaker 2: were like using us as vessels to like so like
[29:17] Speaker 2: they were like, you're doing those resurrections from the underworld
[29:20] Speaker 2: like a ritual kind of thing, and like we were
[29:24] Speaker 2: the vessels for like the the entities that they were
[29:29] Speaker 2: like calling and.
[29:31] Speaker 1: You were channeling essentially.
[29:33] Speaker 2: Well, we are us. We weren't conscients that.
[29:36] Speaker 1: Oh so you were possessed, I guess, yeah kind of thing.
[29:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[29:40] Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think they had working relationships with extra
[29:44] Speaker 1: terrestrials for these projects?
[29:47] Speaker 2: That's for sure. Another feature that I didn't mention. On
[29:50] Speaker 2: the Montark chair, there were like a little table that
[29:56] Speaker 2: they were bringing on the side, and like on the
[29:58] Speaker 2: middle shelf there were like kind of a projector that
[30:02] Speaker 2: they were looking out to a pole, and like on
[30:05] Speaker 2: that top of the shelf there were like a little
[30:08] Speaker 2: box and a slot of light that was coming out
[30:11] Speaker 2: and like the lights from the projector, like they were
[30:15] Speaker 2: lighting them together, and what we taught about was appearing
[30:19] Speaker 2: as an hologram. Wow, that was like, you know, we're
[30:24] Speaker 2: back up in the eighties, so that was pretty cool.
[30:28] Speaker 2: That's like one of the main things that they were like, yeah,
[30:34] Speaker 2: making us do on that chair.
[30:38] Speaker 1: You mentioned reincarnation experiments. Could you tell us a little
[30:42] Speaker 1: bit more about that.
[30:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like we had course of reincarnation, Like
[30:51] Speaker 2: a big part of the project was reincarnation. So uh yeah,
[30:58] Speaker 2: we had like ceremonies, we had to repeat what they
[31:03] Speaker 2: were saying and stuff like that, and you know, like.
[31:06] Speaker 1: Were they trying to reincarnate certain beings from the past
[31:11] Speaker 1: or humans?
[31:12] Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it was more for us
[31:14] Speaker 2: to come back and like so oh yeah.
[31:18] Speaker 1: How did your experiences come to an end with this? Uh?
[31:24] Speaker 2: While I spent my life like, uh was like living normal.
[31:31] Speaker 2: Neither I taught. I was a business owner, like I
[31:37] Speaker 2: was doing good in life. My buddies were that were
[31:40] Speaker 2: in the project with me, We're doing all good in life.
[31:44] Speaker 2: And until I reached like thirty five and I started
[31:48] Speaker 2: asking remembering stuff like so I asked questions my mom
[31:53] Speaker 2: and uh like about that, you know, like the test
[31:58] Speaker 2: at the ant done at the memorial the CIA Hospital Montreal.
[32:03] Speaker 2: So from there her like she was she's still in
[32:08] Speaker 2: contact with the Endlers and all, it's a lifetime contract,
[32:11] Speaker 2: you know. So she let them know that I was
[32:16] Speaker 2: starting to wake up and ask questions. But like that
[32:21] Speaker 2: took a bad turn because like they they tried to
[32:24] Speaker 2: take us all out, like you know, like they tried
[32:27] Speaker 2: to kill me. I got reanimated, like we all got
[32:31] Speaker 2: set up.
[32:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, back up a little. What happened there? You were
[32:35] Speaker 1: killed and reanimated?
[32:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, like they killed me, like and uh, how did
[32:42] Speaker 2: they kill you? Like with the pillow top and like
[32:48] Speaker 2: somebody was holding me like that and like somebody injecting me,
[32:52] Speaker 2: like I think it's Adrian Aden or something like that.
[32:55] Speaker 2: Like my heart was wanted to come out, and like
[33:00] Speaker 2: a nurse that that showed up and like they she
[33:04] Speaker 2: stopped everything, but she got killed like a few weeks after,
[33:07] Speaker 2: so like for doing this, you know, Like.
[33:11] Speaker 1: So did they just revive you with adrenaline or resurrect
[33:16] Speaker 1: you from death?
[33:17] Speaker 2: No, they resurrect me from death like for like they
[33:21] Speaker 2: had to, like because they brought me to an hospital
[33:25] Speaker 2: and like at the hospital they were I was keep
[33:30] Speaker 2: on dying like I don't know what they gave me,
[33:33] Speaker 2: but like so they had to like send me to
[33:35] Speaker 2: re animation a few times overnight and like the next
[33:38] Speaker 2: day the lady was was asking, like what did you take?
[33:42] Speaker 2: And I didn't take nothing, you know, like so she
[33:46] Speaker 2: was so I asked her, is it like U confidential,
[33:51] Speaker 2: like if I talk to you? And when I said that,
[33:54] Speaker 2: like a cop like injecting me, like she told me
[33:58] Speaker 2: it's impossible, and like I just moved that and I
[34:02] Speaker 2: showed her the traces of the where he injected me,
[34:06] Speaker 2: and like she okay, uh okay, I signed your release,
[34:11] Speaker 2: like she didn't want me there.
[34:13] Speaker 1: After your main experiences where you experimented on at mon Talk,
[34:19] Speaker 1: did you ever question your family about being put through that?
[34:25] Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, like uh I did, and like because my
[34:30] Speaker 2: dad actually tried to get me out of the project
[34:33] Speaker 2: when he came back as he was working at James Bay,
[34:36] Speaker 2: and uh when he found out that like my mom
[34:39] Speaker 2: inscribed me in that project and like there were like
[34:42] Speaker 2: LSD things and all that. My so he grabbed all
[34:46] Speaker 2: my stuff but put it in the car and he left.
[34:49] Speaker 2: But my cop Ander was waiting for us at the city.
[34:52] Speaker 2: They met and he made my dad bring me back
[34:56] Speaker 2: to my mom, and I was two years without seeing
[34:58] Speaker 2: him after because of that. They were using him like
[35:01] Speaker 2: you know, like to like forced me to do stuff
[35:07] Speaker 2: and like you know, or I wouldn't see him, so
[35:09] Speaker 2: like they were using him like like that.
[35:14] Speaker 1: Going back to some of the experiences that you can remember,
[35:17] Speaker 1: did you witness any other exotic technologies aside from what
[35:23] Speaker 1: you've already told us about with the hologram projections things
[35:27] Speaker 1: like that, what else did you see?
[35:29] Speaker 2: The portal was pretty strange, like you know, like uh, yeah,
[35:35] Speaker 2: that the effect it was giving, like you know, like
[35:39] Speaker 2: it was pulling us out of body like so that's
[35:42] Speaker 2: why they were putting a tart and like when they
[35:45] Speaker 2: were removing the type, it was all lined up in
[35:47] Speaker 2: front of us on the chair.
[35:48] Speaker 1: So like, yeah, was there any other exotic technologies? Maybe
[35:54] Speaker 1: UFOs creatures they kept down there? Anything else?
[36:00] Speaker 2: I didn't I don't remember like seeing other like alien
[36:08] Speaker 2: at Mont talk like you but yeah, uh for sure,
[36:12] Speaker 2: like the mantas, like that's one of the end they're
[36:15] Speaker 2: they're working with the military. Like it's like, uh, you know,
[36:19] Speaker 2: there's section of the dumb bays the tunnels, Like I
[36:22] Speaker 2: think it's like for more for like mister and missus,
[36:25] Speaker 2: everybody like the doors, there's big doors, okay, and like
[36:29] Speaker 2: they're white with black numbers. But at some point you've
[36:33] Speaker 2: fallen in some sections that the doors are gray and
[36:37] Speaker 2: like the numbers are yellow, and this I think is
[36:41] Speaker 2: more like for militarian extra tego.
[36:49] Speaker 1: Do you think these kinds of experiments are still going
[36:53] Speaker 1: on in the same passion that you've experienced.
[36:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, like uh, probably, like they moved it to like
[37:03] Speaker 2: Ukraine and like other countries that are like it's the
[37:08] Speaker 2: like not ear bold, but yeah, like here at some
[37:14] Speaker 2: point for sure they like there were a lot of
[37:21] Speaker 2: schools that were involved in this, you know, like my
[37:23] Speaker 2: school wasn't the only one, and like I know we're
[37:27] Speaker 2: thousands in those projects that went through those projects, but
[37:31] Speaker 2: like there's like probably two hundred sub project and it's
[37:35] Speaker 2: not everybody does the same thing, you know, like and
[37:38] Speaker 2: are going towards the the field. Like just like as
[37:44] Speaker 2: much as you want to go in a certain field,
[37:47] Speaker 2: if you have a too for something else, they'll push
[37:49] Speaker 2: you in that that app line. You know.
[37:51] Speaker 1: So you said that you had handlers involved during the experiences.
[37:57] Speaker 1: Was there anyone that stayed in your life after those
[38:02] Speaker 1: experiences that may have been a handler that you weren't
[38:06] Speaker 1: aware of.
[38:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like as soon as I like, uh yeah,
[38:13] Speaker 2: I had a cup ender for most of my life
[38:16] Speaker 2: till till you killed me that time and like I
[38:19] Speaker 2: got reanimated in all and uh after like yeah, they
[38:24] Speaker 2: matched me with a girl. She was a handler, like
[38:28] Speaker 2: a because like they eraised my memory and all, and
[38:32] Speaker 2: like after they they all cross up kind of thing.
[38:37] Speaker 2: But like this I found out later, but yeah, like yeah,
[38:44] Speaker 2: that's how they do it.
[38:45] Speaker 1: Like yeah, and there's probably multiple purposes for what they're doing,
[38:51] Speaker 1: like you said, to create the different altered personalities, to
[38:56] Speaker 1: have different tasks carry out certain missions. But I also
[39:00] Speaker 1: think it was about learning how to mind control the
[39:04] Speaker 1: masses using pharmaceuticals and various techniques that can be applied
[39:11] Speaker 1: through the Internet, through our computer systems, through our television,
[39:15] Speaker 1: through entertainment. I think a lot of what they were
[39:19] Speaker 1: experimenting on is now being implemented to all of society.
[39:24] Speaker 1: They are essentially mind controlling all of us. Would you
[39:27] Speaker 1: agree that that's one of the bigger pictures of these operations, Yeah.
[39:32] Speaker 2: For sure. And like one thing that I didn't mention earlier.
[39:37] Speaker 2: During the six years of that monarchic formation from six
[39:43] Speaker 2: to twelve, almost like weekly sometimes bi weekly, we had
[39:48] Speaker 2: those air and muff tests, like you know, like they
[39:51] Speaker 2: were playing a little tonality, always getting us used to
[39:55] Speaker 2: the same tonality, and like at some point, like one
[39:59] Speaker 2: we're used, like we fall on neutral, we take harder.
[40:02] Speaker 2: So like a phone call, like they play that and
[40:04] Speaker 2: like you can be around anybody, they won't even notice
[40:08] Speaker 2: that you're being programmed. So like that's like the kind
[40:13] Speaker 2: of thing that technology that they were working on and
[40:18] Speaker 2: like for mind control, so like and now it's going
[40:21] Speaker 2: through TV, through like radio to like so and like
[40:27] Speaker 2: how many other like shortwave?
[40:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah. Would you say that individuals that are
[40:36] Speaker 1: in high level positions at institutions like school boards are
[40:42] Speaker 1: involved heavily with recruitment for some of these projects.
[40:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, I know in my case, like all the teachers
[40:51] Speaker 2: and like the the principal were all aware of that.
[40:54] Speaker 2: Like like we had the meeting in the principal office,
[40:59] Speaker 2: like first meeting and another thing that when that we
[41:03] Speaker 2: had that meeting, like they specified that I wanted to
[41:08] Speaker 2: participate in this, so I like not to complain if
[41:11] Speaker 2: it was hard that I knew it, and like so
[41:15] Speaker 2: and like the other thing that even if my mom
[41:18] Speaker 2: was asking me questions or like, it could be a test,
[41:22] Speaker 2: so like I couldn't talk about anything that was going
[41:24] Speaker 2: on during those formations and when they were picking me
[41:28] Speaker 2: up and stuff like that, and like if she was
[41:31] Speaker 2: asking questions, it was also a test. So like so
[41:34] Speaker 2: they made it sure that we're more comfortable talking, and
[41:37] Speaker 2: like they made stuff so awkward. So like some people
[41:40] Speaker 2: that like you really don't expect that, like you're it's
[41:45] Speaker 2: a double safety not to talk, you know, so like
[41:49] Speaker 2: when you're young, like it is usually you don't talk
[41:52] Speaker 2: when this happens because like it's so like it's rare,
[41:56] Speaker 2: really rare.
[41:57] Speaker 1: Like would you say, based on all your experiences and
[42:02] Speaker 1: what you know now that Satanists run our planet?
[42:08] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
[42:11] Speaker 1: Do you think they've infiltrated all areas to where we
[42:16] Speaker 1: can't trust any of our institutions anymore because they've all
[42:21] Speaker 1: been bought and sold for the purpose of controlling the masses?
[42:25] Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Like and everybody in possession are probably like
[42:31] Speaker 2: I've passed through the Kolture, So they're controllable, like you know,
[42:37] Speaker 2: like they control everything like that like from no, like
[42:41] Speaker 2: even like the world of gangs like bikers and stuff
[42:45] Speaker 2: like that. That's how they controlled market drug markets and
[42:48] Speaker 2: stuff like that. Like, don't think that they don't control everything.
[42:51] Speaker 2: They control every aspect of our life, so like that
[42:54] Speaker 2: is controlled too, So like the the they that's why,
[42:59] Speaker 2: like there's all monarchs like and they probably change the
[43:04] Speaker 2: other names to later, like but like in our case,
[43:08] Speaker 2: we're monarchs. And yeah, like there's monarchs in every aspects
[43:13] Speaker 2: of our life now that are being controlled. And like yeah,
[43:18] Speaker 2: without knowing.
[43:18] Speaker 1: It, do you have any insights on what is trying
[43:23] Speaker 1: to be achieved globally with this technocratic system that they're implementing.
[43:30] Speaker 1: What we've experienced until now, with our exposure to AI
[43:35] Speaker 1: and technology is all leading to something that will further
[43:41] Speaker 1: our enslavement, keep us more reliant on the system. But
[43:45] Speaker 1: looking at the way these experiments have played out, I
[43:49] Speaker 1: have to believe that it's all preparation for what they're
[43:54] Speaker 1: trying to implement technologically right now.
[43:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're making us lose our ways to like
[43:59] Speaker 2: so like like at some point where being like lost,
[44:03] Speaker 2: feeling lost and like the new technologies and like the
[44:07] Speaker 2: so like they're they're keeping us in that state so
[44:10] Speaker 2: that we're like a compliant and like good slaves. But
[44:13] Speaker 2: like at some point, the more we wait, the harder
[44:17] Speaker 2: it is, you know, like because like nobody wants to
[44:21] Speaker 2: be under control, Like let me tell you, because like
[44:24] Speaker 2: it's never good, you know, like what they have and
[44:29] Speaker 2: mind for us, like you won't possess that thing and
[44:31] Speaker 2: be appy kind of thing like philosophy. That's uh yeah,
[44:36] Speaker 2: that's a nice part of it kind of thing. But yeah,
[44:41] Speaker 2: because like it gets worse. So yeah, like people have
[44:46] Speaker 2: to be conscious of that. Like that the population is real,
[44:50] Speaker 2: like you know, like if you just like look into it,
[44:54] Speaker 2: like you'll you'll see by yourself. You know, there's enough
[44:57] Speaker 2: like sell people like fighting to expose this. Like yeah,
[45:02] Speaker 2: you just have to, hey, remove the blinders, you know.
[45:06] Speaker 1: Like yeah, any thoughts on some of the global events
[45:12] Speaker 1: that we have been experiencing, particularly what may really be
[45:17] Speaker 1: behind UFO disclosure why they'd be releasing files right now
[45:22] Speaker 1: and allowing more of this discussion to be had online.
[45:27] Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on why they're doing this now?
[45:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you look at the news and like
[45:34] Speaker 2: you it's a bit how we felt when we were kids.
[45:38] Speaker 2: We never knew you know, like they were keeping us
[45:42] Speaker 2: in that state of mind. So that's like a mass
[45:45] Speaker 2: population mind control thing. Okay, Like they're keeping us like
[45:48] Speaker 2: you know, on those vibes of war and oh there's bugs.
[45:52] Speaker 2: Oh they're always fear for a monkey. So like that's
[45:58] Speaker 2: the that's go how like the wider mass control because
[46:04] Speaker 2: like they can't like take everybody and torture them like
[46:07] Speaker 2: they did to us, Like we were like the guinea
[46:09] Speaker 2: pigs for that thing. So now like it's being done
[46:14] Speaker 2: like to like like your news, your your music, your
[46:19] Speaker 2: you know, like the they mix everything from satan to
[46:23] Speaker 2: sorcery to like you know, like so yeah, like it's
[46:28] Speaker 2: an evolution of everything like mixed together to like use
[46:34] Speaker 2: as a weapon. And yeah, that's that's used against us,
[46:40] Speaker 2: against our kids, against our parents, against like you know,
[46:43] Speaker 2: and they don't care about us. It's not for us
[46:45] Speaker 2: that they're like you know, like so that we're comfortable, Like.
[46:51] Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to try and present us
[46:54] Speaker 1: with a false flag alien event or do they know
[46:57] Speaker 1: that we're on the cusp of awareness either way that
[47:02] Speaker 1: these beings exist so they might want to get ahead
[47:05] Speaker 1: of it. Another reason could be free energy implications they're
[47:09] Speaker 1: trying to get ahead of and control the release of that.
[47:12] Speaker 1: It could be all of the above. What do you think.
[47:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're really sing something like idian and like yeah,
[47:19] Speaker 2: for sure, like Indians are real, like you know, like
[47:22] Speaker 2: but like the goal of this is probably just to
[47:25] Speaker 2: like make us fear, to turn this into fear a
[47:27] Speaker 2: bit later, so yeah, like now they're making it nice
[47:31] Speaker 2: and like but yeah, it's just like it's a show.
[47:37] Speaker 2: Like you know, they they're they're kind of fucking with
[47:42] Speaker 2: their heads, you know, like that way kind of like
[47:44] Speaker 2: you know, like always keeping us on a like making
[47:52] Speaker 2: us lose hope, try try to make us lose hope,
[47:55] Speaker 2: but certain of us like remember what life is without
[47:59] Speaker 2: like those interference and like, yeah, life can be nice still,
[48:04] Speaker 2: So like it's not too late.
[48:08] Speaker 1: Do you have any abilities that were unlocked during those
[48:12] Speaker 1: experiences that you still utilize that may benefit you in
[48:16] Speaker 1: your life?
[48:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still some that I'm not naming them all
[48:21] Speaker 2: of them, but like you know, like because like I
[48:23] Speaker 2: keep there's stuff that I keep for myself, but yeah,
[48:26] Speaker 2: it's like the stuff they're programming me like sometimes kicks
[48:33] Speaker 2: in out of nowhere in those situations needed or yeah,
[48:37] Speaker 2: and like that's for sure, that's from the project, you know,
[48:42] Speaker 2: like those little things.
[48:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what they were aiming to use
[48:50] Speaker 1: you for? What they were going to apply you to.
[48:57] Speaker 2: Well, like we were supposed to be black up scenario
[49:00] Speaker 2: spies like you know, like my group and all and yeah,
[49:04] Speaker 2: but remote viewing for all kinds of stuff like you know,
[49:10] Speaker 2: like but a lot of the it was psychic testing,
[49:15] Speaker 2: you know, like you know, like Telli Petsy. It was
[49:20] Speaker 2: six years pretty intense of this, you know, like done
[49:23] Speaker 2: through school, but like still like half of the school
[49:27] Speaker 2: was pretty much like on this. We also had sometimes
[49:30] Speaker 2: to go like summer school to catch up because there
[49:33] Speaker 2: were too much training so or were missing school.
[49:37] Speaker 1: So like so, yeah, did you undergo any therapy or
[49:43] Speaker 1: hypnosis to try and resolve some of your trauma?
[49:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, because like the way it came back in my case,
[49:52] Speaker 2: like I was having like memories that weren't fitting with
[49:55] Speaker 2: the frame of thought. Then planted because like one they
[49:59] Speaker 2: raised your memory. There's in my case, like I remember
[50:02] Speaker 2: this through the because of the regression it knows, Uh,
[50:06] Speaker 2: It's like it's a machine on a table, like there's
[50:10] Speaker 2: a path for your forehead your chin, and like there's
[50:13] Speaker 2: two like a stick and metal like with a ball
[50:16] Speaker 2: at the end, and like that gives you shock on
[50:18] Speaker 2: the temples and after like like in my case, he said,
[50:23] Speaker 2: like I had the nicest childhood. I went twice to
[50:26] Speaker 2: Disney and they made it really brief and like kind
[50:30] Speaker 2: of sucky. Uh, like the nicest childhood, don't ask questions,
[50:36] Speaker 2: so uh, but at some point the flashback of like
[50:40] Speaker 2: the sorry rituals and stuff like that we're coming back,
[50:44] Speaker 2: and that wasn't fitting with the nicest childhood kind of thing.
[50:51] Speaker 2: So I started asking questions and those memories were coming
[50:55] Speaker 2: more and more. So like at some point, am I
[50:57] Speaker 2: turning crazy? You know? So I went for regression, it knows,
[51:02] Speaker 2: and uh that changed my life because because uh, the
[51:08] Speaker 2: lady removed those hypnotic blockage and hypnotic suggestions so like
[51:15] Speaker 2: because like in my case, I couldn't remember anything that
[51:17] Speaker 2: was important that they they put in that frame of thought,
[51:21] Speaker 2: but they didn't specify if it was like for my
[51:24] Speaker 2: personal life, the CIA stuff or so like I was
[51:27] Speaker 2: forgetting everything un till I got the nose done after
[51:30] Speaker 2: Like yeah, like I took back my life. But yeah,
[51:34] Speaker 2: like I'm sure a lot of the people that are
[51:38] Speaker 2: like messed up by the NKAL through a project are
[51:42] Speaker 2: probably messed up by this frame of thought that they
[51:45] Speaker 2: didn't plant at the end to make you forget everything. Yeah,
[51:49] Speaker 2: and like uh if it's not done properly, like yeah,
[51:54] Speaker 2: you you kick.
[51:57] Speaker 1: At some point, you mentioned that you came into contact
[52:02] Speaker 1: with Michael Lakino. How often did you see him?
[52:08] Speaker 2: For a few ritual like the s the time. Another
[52:13] Speaker 2: one was like a ritual done under a church. Yeah,
[52:18] Speaker 2: the Nazi ring, a silver ring and uh yeah a
[52:23] Speaker 2: ball and like you all cut us like on the
[52:25] Speaker 2: wrist here we all have like a little cut with
[52:28] Speaker 2: a Nazi knife and we had to bleed on the ring.
[52:32] Speaker 2: So like that was one of the ritual that we
[52:37] Speaker 2: did with him. I saw him a few times. At
[52:40] Speaker 2: some point he got me with a little girl and
[52:43] Speaker 2: like we had to undress one next to the other
[52:45] Speaker 2: and like yeah stuff like that, Like yeah.
[52:49] Speaker 1: That's crazy. You mentioned satanic ritual abuse. What were some
[52:54] Speaker 1: of the rituals that you were subjected to?
[53:02] Speaker 2: Ritual abuse? Like I saw like orgs and stuff like that.
[53:09] Speaker 2: But you know, like from those like Satanic knights and
[53:12] Speaker 2: stuff like that, like sacrifices, you know, like that's stuff
[53:17] Speaker 2: that they made us do you know, like they made
[53:20] Speaker 2: us play with those kids earlier and after Like.
[53:23] Speaker 1: Did they make you participate in human sacrifice?
[53:26] Speaker 2: Yeah? So like uh and like that those were kids
[53:30] Speaker 2: of our age and like yeah, you couldn't say nowhere
[53:35] Speaker 2: and like Jesus specialty that the way they were bringing this,
[53:39] Speaker 2: like you know, like the more you wait because he's
[53:42] Speaker 2: drug now, like he won't feel it. The more you wait,
[53:45] Speaker 2: the more you're gonna hurt him. And they weren't fucking
[53:48] Speaker 2: with her heads, you know, Like.
[53:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, that is terrible. Yeah, are you still able to
[53:56] Speaker 1: Astro Project have out of body experiences?
[54:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, happens, but like I don't. I don't practice much lately.
[54:05] Speaker 2: Like it's like they're keeping me on low vibes like always.
[54:08] Speaker 1: Like yeah, like what do you mean they're keeping you
[54:12] Speaker 1: on low vibes?
[54:14] Speaker 2: Like you know, I'm censored everywhere. Like everything I'm trying
[54:18] Speaker 2: to do is like being blocked. Like there's a targeting team,
[54:22] Speaker 2: like you know, like sample, I'll give you a good example. Okay,
[54:27] Speaker 2: add puppies for self I was like I had a
[54:30] Speaker 2: hat online and all I was advertising it, I was saying,
[54:34] Speaker 2: like from my computer and like from my phone, everything
[54:37] Speaker 2: is good, the sweet fresh and all. But like every
[54:40] Speaker 2: time I was sharing that thing, anybody else that clicks
[54:42] Speaker 2: on those links says that the puppies are sold and
[54:46] Speaker 2: they're showing the other puppies. So like that's pretty pretty wild,
[54:51] Speaker 2: like and I got the proof now, Like I even
[54:54] Speaker 2: want to see like a special wiz the technician like
[54:58] Speaker 2: in computer you never saw anything like that, like because
[55:02] Speaker 2: he tried from his Like yeah, it's wild. So yeah,
[55:08] Speaker 2: that's the kind of stuff they do like to like
[55:12] Speaker 2: stop my story from coming out, but it's out. It's
[55:15] Speaker 2: like my book is not only a book, it's a
[55:18] Speaker 2: sworn statement. It's my testimony for court and like so
[55:22] Speaker 2: like it's the real fact. There's no censorship. Are not
[55:24] Speaker 2: there to sell Eliot in the stories and there to
[55:27] Speaker 2: say what happened to us? The kids give names to
[55:30] Speaker 2: like some of the kids that died, and like try
[55:33] Speaker 2: to avoid this to other families, Like it's parents not
[55:38] Speaker 2: to give their their kids to project like that, and
[55:41] Speaker 2: like they trust people with nice suit that says nice
[55:46] Speaker 2: ship and like it's not that and like they bring families,
[55:49] Speaker 2: they kill people, like they don't care about you, and
[55:52] Speaker 2: like you don't think like your kid is special, like
[55:56] Speaker 2: like we were all special.
[55:58] Speaker 1: And but like outside from the book, did you attempt
[56:02] Speaker 1: to report this to any kind of authorities.
[56:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm like, uh, I'm working on it, but like, uh,
[56:12] Speaker 2: I gotta be careful to like you know, because yeah,
[56:17] Speaker 2: it's a touchy matter, and like I did the unexpected
[56:22] Speaker 2: because like nobody like it's the first legal document on
[56:25] Speaker 2: like the events at month talk what happened there, like
[56:29] Speaker 2: what I wrote, and like nothing can change this now.
[56:32] Speaker 2: It's but yeah, like the they I won't find a
[56:36] Speaker 2: publisher for it to help me publish the book or
[56:39] Speaker 2: like uh a printer or like uh put it on
[56:44] Speaker 2: Amazon or big site, Like they're banning me. They're blocking me,
[56:47] Speaker 2: they're hiding it, like so like it's hard for me.
[56:51] Speaker 2: And like the stories, all the stories they build around it,
[56:57] Speaker 2: like yeah, so.
[56:59] Speaker 1: Well, hopefully today my audience will hear this and you'll
[57:03] Speaker 1: get a lot of shares and a lot of eyes
[57:05] Speaker 1: and ears on this because this is a huge, important story.
[57:09] Speaker 1: People need to be aware that this could happen to
[57:12] Speaker 1: any of their children before we close out. Is there
[57:16] Speaker 1: anything else that you're working on associated with this? Are
[57:21] Speaker 1: you working with other survivors in any way?
[57:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, Like while I'm trying to like provide help for
[57:30] Speaker 2: like other survivors to start a foundation like for other
[57:34] Speaker 2: survivors and like give them the right resource. Like I'm
[57:39] Speaker 2: working with like some universities to like teach like for
[57:43] Speaker 2: safe houses, to like how to proceed with like you know,
[57:47] Speaker 2: like nk Ultra survivors because like there's many of us,
[57:51] Speaker 2: and like yeah, like if they don't know what they're
[57:54] Speaker 2: dealing with, so like, yeah, I'm trying to educate those
[57:57] Speaker 2: people and like most like passing the message to those
[58:04] Speaker 2: people that even if they don't have kids, but they
[58:07] Speaker 2: know kids that have like that go to school if
[58:10] Speaker 2: they really like if the parents read my books, my
[58:13] Speaker 2: book is not for a kid, but like they can ask, like, hey,
[58:17] Speaker 2: do you see stuff like that around at your school?
[58:20] Speaker 2: Because there's a pattern to this thing, and like it's
[58:23] Speaker 2: like you can check with any survivors, like it's there's
[58:27] Speaker 2: always a pattern like to the generation. There's always the
[58:31] Speaker 2: same pattern and the same type of like approach. So
[58:38] Speaker 2: it's good to be informed and like you know, like
[58:40] Speaker 2: to talk to like kids, Hey, if you see something
[58:43] Speaker 2: like that, like let us know, like you know, like
[58:45] Speaker 2: an uncle or whatever, like you know, like just product
[58:48] Speaker 2: our kids and go at the school like the parents'
[58:51] Speaker 2: school surprise visit and the see who's there. And yeah,
[58:56] Speaker 2: like I think like it's important. It's like if you
[59:00] Speaker 2: don't check your kid, they will.
[59:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. Chris, thank you so much. This
[59:07] Speaker 1: was fantastic. I'd love to talk again in the future.
[59:10] Speaker 1: Before I let you go, remind the audience the website
[59:13] Speaker 1: that they can get the book.
[59:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, called Terror at Montauk dot com. And yeah, like
[59:20] Speaker 2: there's a lot of information there, like you know, like
[59:24] Speaker 2: a government documents about the MK ultra projects and so
[59:30] Speaker 2: like if people want real information on n cultural, like
[59:33] Speaker 2: that's a good site to it. There's good documentaryes like, yeah,
[59:38] Speaker 2: I'm trying to educate people.
[59:39] Speaker 1: So yeah, excellent Chris, thank you and until next time, everyone,
[59:44] Speaker 1: have an excellent evening. We will talk again tomorrow. We'll
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