# Charles Ross | Dragons of Tartaria, Fallen Angel Influences, Inversion of the Feminine

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 11 Jul 2026, 1 h 13 min.

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[0:02] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:04] Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
[0:08] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:10] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:14] Speaker 1: your host Chris Matthew. Today, my guest is Charles Ross.
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[0:50] Speaker 1: Forbidden Knowledgenews at gmail dot com. Today, I want to
[0:54] Speaker 1: welcome back to the show Charles Ross. He's a teacher
[0:57] Speaker 1: and researcher with a knack for uncovering false history, making
[1:01] Speaker 1: connections between old world empires and ancient cultures. Charles, welcome back.
[1:06] Speaker 1: How you doing.
[1:08] Speaker 2: Hello, Yes, nice to see you again for some more
[1:13] Speaker 2: forbidden news knowledge.
[1:16] Speaker 1: I love it, man, it's great to have you back.
[1:18] Speaker 1: Last time you were on, we got a great introduction
[1:21] Speaker 1: to your research relating to what some might consider the
[1:25] Speaker 1: Old World or Tartaria. Today, we're going to dive even
[1:29] Speaker 1: deeper into the mystery that is our human history. I
[1:33] Speaker 1: commend anyone that has the time, patience, and discernment to
[1:38] Speaker 1: explore our ancient past. Our history seems to be repeatedly
[1:43] Speaker 1: erased and rewritten by the ruling class of any given era.
[1:47] Speaker 1: But the puzzle pieces are out there, and you've done
[1:50] Speaker 1: a great job trying to put them all together, and
[1:53] Speaker 1: you have some fascinating topics for us to get into
[1:57] Speaker 1: today as it relates to the Old World. Before we
[2:00] Speaker 1: get to any of that, though, for the audience that
[2:02] Speaker 1: may not be familiar, tell us a little bit about
[2:05] Speaker 1: yourself and let them know how they can find all
[2:07] Speaker 1: your content.
[2:10] Speaker 2: Yes, well, yeah, it's nice to have different audiences to
[2:15] Speaker 2: to speak to, to share research with. So a good
[2:20] Speaker 2: way to get more of my my research and theories
[2:25] Speaker 2: would be on YouTube on Teacher Charles TV. I'm also
[2:31] Speaker 2: on TikTok Charles Charles Ross on TikTok Facebook, also Facebook,
[2:37] Speaker 2: Charles Ross Instagram. I use Charles Ross and also Charles
[2:41] Speaker 2: Formosa because I am on an on an island that
[2:45] Speaker 2: I found out had a Latin name, even though we
[2:49] Speaker 2: were always told, oh that we are we are in
[2:53] Speaker 2: the Republic of China. But but the more I've looked
[2:56] Speaker 2: into history, into into the origin of like most pull
[3:00] Speaker 2: most lineages, most countries, it almost always seems to be
[3:09] Speaker 2: very surprising and usually hidden knowledge. So I call myself
[3:14] Speaker 2: Charles Formosa because that was the original name of the island.
[3:20] Speaker 1: Today, you've got a big topic that you'd like to
[3:23] Speaker 1: start out with the origins of mankind, And depending on
[3:27] Speaker 1: what researcher you're talking to, it could relate to the
[3:32] Speaker 1: Biblical creation story, the Sumerian, Nordic, Vedic. We might have
[3:37] Speaker 1: been created by Yahweh or God, or a group of
[3:40] Speaker 1: celestial beings, or even advanced humans that we're tinkering with genetics.
[3:46] Speaker 1: The possibilities are endless depending on who you're talking with.
[3:50] Speaker 1: But as far as your research goes, take us back
[3:54] Speaker 1: to the creation story that you believe is most accurate.
[4:01] Speaker 2: Oh great, So yeah, I mean I think that there
[4:06] Speaker 2: is a lot that still needs to that we need
[4:08] Speaker 2: to learn or relearn that we have forgotten when it
[4:12] Speaker 2: comes to the energy grid, this latist grid that covers
[4:18] Speaker 2: the entire earth, that connects cities, this etheric energy grid,
[4:22] Speaker 2: this life force that is invisible to the human eye,
[4:27] Speaker 2: but is very important in understanding the origin of the
[4:32] Speaker 2: human race, the origin of how this mammalian reptilian brain
[4:39] Speaker 2: creature can ascend to the to the level where it
[4:43] Speaker 2: now understands that it is in itself a sentient being.
[4:48] Speaker 2: And I think that's what differentiates us from like most
[4:51] Speaker 2: of the animal kingdom, that we can look at ourselves
[4:54] Speaker 2: as as something, something different, something that is looking for
[5:01] Speaker 2: a higher purpose. And I think the idea of God
[5:06] Speaker 2: has to be woven into the fabric of at least
[5:11] Speaker 2: recorded theories and stories, because even the Adam and Eve
[5:16] Speaker 2: story is actually a spiritual one but also esoteric. So
[5:22] Speaker 2: we look at the Adam and Eve story as the
[5:26] Speaker 2: beginning as Christians, but actually what we're looking at is
[5:31] Speaker 2: a lot of metaphors, and a lot of other civilizations
[5:35] Speaker 2: have the almost identical story two of the idea of
[5:41] Speaker 2: some existential threat or a good and a bad, a
[5:46] Speaker 2: ying and a yang, a darkness and a light, and
[5:49] Speaker 2: the fact that the darkness and the light may not
[5:52] Speaker 2: be happy in the same space, but they also need
[5:56] Speaker 2: each other to exist because without darkness there is no light.
[5:59] Speaker 2: So you have that with with this Adam and Eve story,
[6:04] Speaker 2: which I think has also been inverted and messed around
[6:07] Speaker 2: with a lot. But in Christianity, obviously it's it's God
[6:11] Speaker 2: creating a man from the ground, and then then it's
[6:17] Speaker 2: a rib being taken from the man to create a
[6:19] Speaker 2: companion for him, a female energy. But but the more
[6:24] Speaker 2: that you study this, the more obvious it seems that
[6:28] Speaker 2: there must have been a third party involved, a true
[6:31] Speaker 2: female energy, a creator force, and that I think the church,
[6:35] Speaker 2: I think Christendom as a whole, has removed the female deity,
[6:39] Speaker 2: the female power. But then when you go into the buildings,
[6:42] Speaker 2: the architecture, and you study the churches, you realize that
[6:45] Speaker 2: everything is very womblike. Even the doors are these high arches.
[6:49] Speaker 2: They're almost like a reproductive a woman's reproductive organ Then
[6:54] Speaker 2: you realize that that that you know, you're you're dealing
[6:57] Speaker 2: with sound and creation and the logistics of life being created. Well,
[7:03] Speaker 2: all life comes from from the womb, you know, and
[7:07] Speaker 2: that's this sort of the water of the womb. I
[7:11] Speaker 2: keep coming back to that in a lot of my research.
[7:14] Speaker 2: So what is the snake, What is the tree? What
[7:18] Speaker 2: is the apple? Well, the apple this is the most
[7:21] Speaker 2: simple kind of possible magnetic geometry. So the apple is electricity,
[7:28] Speaker 2: it's life energy. And then the tree is your own ascension,
[7:33] Speaker 2: your own sort of Jacob's ladder, or your backbone. It
[7:35] Speaker 2: could also be your backbone. And then the snake is
[7:39] Speaker 2: this reptilian. And the reptilian we call it a serpent, right,
[7:44] Speaker 2: but we are really simplifying it if we just call
[7:47] Speaker 2: it a serpent. I think the importance of the dragon,
[7:51] Speaker 2: the reptile, the lizard, the dinosaur, whatever you want to
[7:54] Speaker 2: call it, the importance of that in connection with energy
[7:58] Speaker 2: and life force is we are wholly mistaken about this
[8:05] Speaker 2: almost every time. And I would like to I think
[8:08] Speaker 2: today because everything seems to be about the reptile. Everything
[8:13] Speaker 2: seemed everything we're fascinated in, every great myth, legend, every
[8:17] Speaker 2: great hero seems to have to slay this this dragon.
[8:22] Speaker 2: You know, whether it's King George slays the dragon or
[8:27] Speaker 2: or you you have also, like these Germanic tales of
[8:33] Speaker 2: Brunehilder which is again a man has to go to
[8:36] Speaker 2: a well where the water is gushing down, just to
[8:38] Speaker 2: make it as obvious as possible that we're talking here
[8:41] Speaker 2: about the man killing his own maybe energy so that
[8:46] Speaker 2: he can he can maybe control himself better, or start
[8:51] Speaker 2: a family or I mean, there's a lot of metaphor,
[8:53] Speaker 2: but there's also esoteric things that I'm gonna show you
[8:59] Speaker 2: when you're ready, that there is a reptilian involved in
[9:03] Speaker 2: almost every story of origin of electricity.
[9:06] Speaker 1: The divine feminine energy you were referring to earlier that
[9:11] Speaker 1: seems to have been at the least suppressed but very
[9:16] Speaker 1: much removed from our modern culture and much of our
[9:21] Speaker 1: history as well, is that connected to this reptilian energy,
[9:26] Speaker 1: dragon energy that you are talking about right now.
[9:31] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean it's it's incredible, it's incredibly closely connected.
[9:40] Speaker 2: I Mean, what I've kind of like seen in my
[9:43] Speaker 2: own research is that even when you go back to
[9:47] Speaker 2: the earliest mention of electrical energy or something that looks
[9:51] Speaker 2: like some kind of electromagnetic device, even in like ancient Egypt,
[10:00] Speaker 2: I do have some images that I can share with you,
[10:04] Speaker 2: and and I mean I didn't I have only just
[10:07] Speaker 2: found this out recently, but there are large sort of
[10:11] Speaker 2: incandescent bulbs that look like maybe radium amalgam devices, large
[10:16] Speaker 2: cylinders that are shown in hieroglyphs in ancient Egypt, and
[10:23] Speaker 2: that's like one of the earliest civilizations that you could
[10:25] Speaker 2: probably discuss this, uh, this sort of reptilian concept of
[10:33] Speaker 2: electricity being a gift from another species. So these look
[10:38] Speaker 2: a lot like very simple sort of laden jars or
[10:45] Speaker 2: the the Baghdad battery style devices where there's like a
[10:49] Speaker 2: central cathode made out of copper which is surrounded by
[10:52] Speaker 2: either radium, mercury, some kind of pizzo electric gem and
[10:58] Speaker 2: then and then and then that that then it could
[11:03] Speaker 2: create this fellspa effect that you get with like granite
[11:08] Speaker 2: and basalt, where you have electricity coming out of the
[11:11] Speaker 2: crystal pressure. Now now, now, okay, like if you if
[11:16] Speaker 2: you run this through like AI, these theories, it's going
[11:18] Speaker 2: to tell you all that's fantastical and fictional, but but
[11:22] Speaker 2: that is how electricity was created very early on.
[11:26] Speaker 1: I just want to let the audience know that is
[11:28] Speaker 1: listening on the audio side, we have some visuals here
[11:32] Speaker 1: that Charles is presenting. It'll help you understand what's being
[11:36] Speaker 1: presented right now.
[11:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so this is I guess you could call
[11:41] Speaker 2: this an engraving. It is on what looks like granite.
[11:47] Speaker 2: It is filled with hieroglyphics instructions to either duplicate the
[11:52] Speaker 2: process or the idea of where life comes from. There
[11:56] Speaker 2: is some symbolism here. There are these sort of transistors.
[12:01] Speaker 2: Can you see those? It's it's a it's a very
[12:03] Speaker 2: important Egyptian a very important Egyptian device and symbol. We
[12:12] Speaker 2: have people holding hands the idea of the the anode cathoed.
[12:17] Speaker 2: It's being held by possibly rah Amrah. But then we
[12:23] Speaker 2: have this this creature.
[12:25] Speaker 1: Here, yes, the reptilian creature.
[12:28] Speaker 2: The reptilian. Now I why is the reptilian incorporated into
[12:33] Speaker 2: the into this electric manual? That is a very important
[12:37] Speaker 2: part of Egyptian culture within this dynasty. And and so
[12:44] Speaker 2: this I think is a deity that is not mentioned
[12:50] Speaker 2: very often, or if it was mentioned often, I think
[12:53] Speaker 2: it was intentionally removed so that we wouldn't see it.
[12:56] Speaker 1: And where is this tablet, this stone carving located currently?
[13:01] Speaker 2: Okay, so this is uh, this is the relief of Thoth.
[13:09] Speaker 1: Mm.
[13:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is this kind of strange. But but
[13:15] Speaker 2: then again he has a bird like head, so I
[13:16] Speaker 2: don't think it's.
[13:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very strange because Thoth, the one I'm familiar with,
[13:22] Speaker 1: is always portrayed with a very large bird like head,
[13:25] Speaker 1: and this looks nothing.
[13:27] Speaker 2: Like Yeah, this is this is definitely not him.
[13:30] Speaker 1: So interesting.
[13:33] Speaker 2: There is another Egyptian goddess called hercut, a goddess of fertility.
[13:39] Speaker 2: She's a reptilian, so I think that's who it is.
[13:42] Speaker 2: But but yeah, I mean, I don't think this is thought,
[13:46] Speaker 2: but I think Thoth might be part of the larger relief.
[13:50] Speaker 2: So that's why, because so they're telling you it's thought,
[13:53] Speaker 2: but if you look into it, it's actually not. Thoth
[13:55] Speaker 2: is on the other side of the wall. So so
[13:59] Speaker 2: this is Heckert spelled h e q e t and
[14:05] Speaker 2: she is a goddess, so she's a reptilian goddess, so
[14:12] Speaker 2: that's yeah, she's definitely a reptile because she has this
[14:18] Speaker 2: tail uh and and she she lays eggs, so this is.
[14:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty obvious reptile. That's so fascinating.
[14:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but but there aren't many. There aren't many.
[14:34] Speaker 2: I mean, there's not much known about Heckut apart from
[14:38] Speaker 2: that she is uh A has a form of a
[14:43] Speaker 2: frog on some on some reliefs, she's associated with the
[14:49] Speaker 2: symbol of fertility related to the flooding of the nile,
[14:53] Speaker 2: and she is she does have a kinnamu as her counterpart,
[15:01] Speaker 2: uh and yeah, and that might have been her husband
[15:05] Speaker 2: and then she had she became the mother of hero
[15:09] Speaker 2: hero or uh and uh. This is also written as
[15:14] Speaker 2: frog alternatively, so the frog is also a reptile.
[15:17] Speaker 1: So that's so let me ask you these reptilian beings.
[15:21] Speaker 1: Do you think these were real physical entities that humans
[15:25] Speaker 1: were interacting with or more of an etheric intelligence?
[15:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean were all of did did did
[15:35] Speaker 2: all of these creatures actually have these these heads? And
[15:38] Speaker 2: I really I really don't know if they were reptilians.
[15:43] Speaker 2: A part of me thinks that they were because they
[15:47] Speaker 2: had that knowledge of reptilians. But then you could have
[15:51] Speaker 2: the representation of their knowledge and expertise being the facial features.
[15:57] Speaker 2: But but it's so strange because why would you give
[16:01] Speaker 2: everyone else human faces if you're not if you're only
[16:05] Speaker 2: going to represent the most important people as having animals,
[16:09] Speaker 2: you know, animal heads, wouldn't you want to represent the
[16:13] Speaker 2: actual facial features of someone of that stature, like they
[16:17] Speaker 2: did with the Pharaohs and the sarcophag guy, and so
[16:20] Speaker 2: it's really I mean, you could argue that the Egyptians
[16:26] Speaker 2: would have got those facial features right and then given
[16:28] Speaker 2: them symbols or hieroglyphs or portrayed their expertise in maybe
[16:32] Speaker 2: the tools they were holding or the hieroglyphs next to them.
[16:36] Speaker 2: So there, I mean, we have a lot of records
[16:39] Speaker 2: of obviously like people with strange faces, like dog heads,
[16:43] Speaker 2: reptilian heads, monkey heads, There's a lot of that throughout
[16:48] Speaker 2: medieval history too, so so I mean potentially these were
[16:52] Speaker 2: actually large reptiles that are maybe extinct or have been
[16:57] Speaker 2: bred out of society. So yeah, but but this is
[17:02] Speaker 2: just the Egyptian part of the reptilian connection with electricity. Yeah,
[17:10] Speaker 2: I think I think there are like a lot of
[17:11] Speaker 2: other connections to.
[17:16] Speaker 1: So.
[17:16] Speaker 2: I mean, religiously, throughout Christendom, the reptile or the serpent
[17:22] Speaker 2: has always been associated with like Lucifer or Satan. But
[17:27] Speaker 2: I think I think that is a big mistake to
[17:30] Speaker 2: kind of look at all of these symbols as being
[17:33] Speaker 2: the same entity or the same deity, because I think
[17:41] Speaker 2: that with specifically heathered. This this reptilian giving people light
[17:47] Speaker 2: or giving people the gift of electricity. It does go
[17:51] Speaker 2: hand in hand with a lot of other a lot
[17:55] Speaker 2: of other religions and faiths and and and empires. So
[18:01] Speaker 2: so we see the reptile comes up a lot in
[18:04] Speaker 2: the symbolism of the pineal gland, which is sort of
[18:10] Speaker 2: like our our human connection with electrical energy. Because this
[18:16] Speaker 2: can be, this can calcify, it can decalcify, it can
[18:21] Speaker 2: give us a lot of intuition, a divine connection. Uh
[18:27] Speaker 2: and uh and I think that uh, you know, looking
[18:31] Speaker 2: at that as as something connected with reptiles will be
[18:35] Speaker 2: would be interesting if we if we can get that connection.
[18:39] Speaker 2: And and there there are a few connections to humans
[18:43] Speaker 2: being gifted this higher level of consciousness by reptilian creatures.
[18:51] Speaker 1: There are definitely some of these deities that are portrayed
[18:56] Speaker 1: as more malevolent than others, the beings or deities that
[19:03] Speaker 1: have been more popularized throughout history. It seems there's also
[19:09] Speaker 1: been an inversion of the spiritual beings. The more negative
[19:15] Speaker 1: beings are being deified and propped up, and the beneficial
[19:21] Speaker 1: positive whether they're beings or archetypes intelligences, whatever you want
[19:27] Speaker 1: to call them. The beneficial parts of these entities are
[19:32] Speaker 1: being suppressed, and we're only being pushed towards the ones
[19:37] Speaker 1: that connect us more with the material realm and cause
[19:42] Speaker 1: harm ultimately.
[19:44] Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean we are being given the negative,
[19:47] Speaker 2: but I feel like we're given the negative about too
[19:49] Speaker 2: many things. Like we're being given the negative.
[19:52] Speaker 1: There's an imbalance.
[19:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's always a negative, Like sixty sixty
[19:57] Speaker 2: six is supposed to be the mock of the beast,
[19:59] Speaker 2: but it's not. It's just the recipe for carbon twelve,
[20:02] Speaker 2: which is the human carbon. We are carbon, right, so
[20:06] Speaker 2: we need protons, electrons, neurons, neutrons. So it's like we
[20:14] Speaker 2: are constantly being given a negative about all of these,
[20:17] Speaker 2: all of the most important things. So we're also being
[20:20] Speaker 2: told that electricity is bad. It's like damaging to you.
[20:23] Speaker 2: But actually we are electrical creatures. So I'm not just
[20:28] Speaker 2: talking here about can we create a light bulb or
[20:31] Speaker 2: can we create our own electrical weaponry or something. I'm
[20:34] Speaker 2: talking about the very essence of the human body, the
[20:40] Speaker 2: very kind of intrinsic energy. And I think reptiles teach
[20:45] Speaker 2: us about that. The reptile teaches us everything that we
[20:51] Speaker 2: need to know about creating fire, electricity, and I actually
[20:58] Speaker 2: have this as my background today. But this is actually
[21:01] Speaker 2: a royal insignia that Yeah, this is actually a royal
[21:07] Speaker 2: insignia of very important like noble noble houses and yeah,
[21:17] Speaker 2: so what I was trying to understand is, well, is
[21:20] Speaker 2: this a real lizard? Are we talking? Is this a dinosaur?
[21:24] Speaker 2: What exactly is it? And why is it got a
[21:27] Speaker 2: crown on its head? And why is it surrounded by
[21:28] Speaker 2: these flying flames? And so this is really really fascinating
[21:37] Speaker 2: because this is supposed to be a link to calcium, sulfur, hydrogen,
[21:46] Speaker 2: and various chemicals, which which sounds almost like a dead end, right.
[21:53] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want it to be about these
[21:55] Speaker 2: things I wanted to be about, like reptiles were being
[21:58] Speaker 2: ridden in ancient armies or something. But it it tells
[22:03] Speaker 2: us that, oh, this is what's left behind after a
[22:06] Speaker 2: chemical reaction. This is very early chemistry and medieval times,
[22:11] Speaker 2: and it's just a homage to that knowledge.
[22:13] Speaker 1: To crest for some bloodline family which you're showing us
[22:19] Speaker 1: right now.
[22:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the sixteenth century King Francis, the first
[22:23] Speaker 2: of France. It's the salamander, which represents a calcium acidic
[22:31] Speaker 2: hydrogen reaction that they discovered the alchemists of the time.
[22:35] Speaker 2: It's crown surrounded by flames, representing the Renaissance belief that
[22:39] Speaker 2: these creatures could survive or extinguished fire, and survive using fire.
[22:45] Speaker 2: Now this is very important because later on I'm going
[22:48] Speaker 2: to show you how they they had these creatures, and
[22:52] Speaker 2: they directed them, and they worked out how they operate
[22:56] Speaker 2: internally biologically. So this is like a This is embroidery
[23:01] Speaker 2: of a dragon pattern that is found all over the world.
[23:04] Speaker 2: I mean, you find this in France, Europe, Germany, you
[23:07] Speaker 2: can find this in like Burma, Thailand. This anatomy the
[23:12] Speaker 2: anatomy of this particular creature. It's not a crocodile, it's
[23:15] Speaker 2: a dinosaur. It also has a motto. The motto is
[23:21] Speaker 2: I nourish the good and extinguished the bad.
[23:25] Speaker 1: Do you think, when we are looking at what's presented
[23:29] Speaker 1: by our mainstream history that we could easily replace dinosaurs
[23:36] Speaker 1: with dragons when it's mentioned in our history books.
[23:41] Speaker 2: I think I think so. I think we have. I
[23:43] Speaker 2: think we have invented this dinosaur concept and put it
[23:48] Speaker 2: millions of years before our own human reality. And I
[23:55] Speaker 2: think that that's also a very negative thing, because that's
[23:59] Speaker 2: suggesting that human couldn't have survived if these creatures existed.
[24:02] Speaker 2: But that is very much a negative thing, because I
[24:06] Speaker 2: think I have a lot of proof that humans and
[24:09] Speaker 2: these large reptiles lizards that we call dinosaurs did exist
[24:14] Speaker 2: at the same time. And I think that there was
[24:16] Speaker 2: a lot of fraud in the eighteen hundreds, so every
[24:18] Speaker 2: time someone found any kind of bone, they would try
[24:21] Speaker 2: to turn it into a dinosaur and then get royalties
[24:24] Speaker 2: and money and financial reward to build something that looked
[24:28] Speaker 2: like a dinosaur skeleton put it into the museums, and
[24:31] Speaker 2: some of them looked ridiculous. Some of them had large
[24:33] Speaker 2: tails that they wouldn't have been able to mate with
[24:36] Speaker 2: each other. Some of them obviously had wings and were dragons,
[24:39] Speaker 2: but then the wings were taken off. Yeah. Yeah, And
[24:43] Speaker 2: no museum has an actual original skeleton. They are always
[24:46] Speaker 2: casts of the original bone structures so that they can
[24:51] Speaker 2: then be manipulated. So I don't think this concept of
[24:54] Speaker 2: dinosaurs being found and living like thirty million years ago
[25:00] Speaker 2: is accurate. I think it's just a way to stop
[25:03] Speaker 2: us looking into it because at the end of this
[25:06] Speaker 2: rabbit hole of understanding these large reptiles, understanding where where
[25:12] Speaker 2: dragons come from? Why why some countries still rely on
[25:16] Speaker 2: dragons to symbolize their own empires. Because the dragon had
[25:21] Speaker 2: all of these great chemical, biological skills, these insane things
[25:28] Speaker 2: that even if, even if someone like me explains exactly
[25:33] Speaker 2: biologically how it works, it's still going to be hard
[25:36] Speaker 2: for people to accept. But but these creatures were able
[25:39] Speaker 2: to fly. They weren't really relying on wings to fly,
[25:43] Speaker 2: but they did have wings. They they they are really
[25:47] Speaker 2: the key to unlocking every every sort of esoteric belief,
[25:54] Speaker 2: every motivation to destroy the idea of the dragon existing.
[26:00] Speaker 2: The motivation is not to keep dinosaurs making money in museums.
[26:05] Speaker 2: The motivation is the the the biological ability for the
[26:10] Speaker 2: dragon to create helium and fire and electricity. Uh. And
[26:16] Speaker 2: and I think without those dragons, you start to break
[26:18] Speaker 2: down this energy grid throughout the whole realm, which we
[26:22] Speaker 2: have done. We've destroyed it. That's why we have shortened
[26:26] Speaker 2: our own lifespan. We have weakened the power of the
[26:30] Speaker 2: great structures, the great architecture of the old world. And
[26:34] Speaker 2: and I think it also makes you feel negative. I
[26:36] Speaker 2: think you feel negative. You you start to, you know,
[26:40] Speaker 2: commit crime, You start to like not feel well, you
[26:44] Speaker 2: start to like not understand sunlight, even understanding that sunlight
[26:49] Speaker 2: goes through your body like it does through the reptile,
[26:51] Speaker 2: and the reason why they had scales to hold that
[26:54] Speaker 2: sunlight in for longer, for example. So I mean, it's
[27:00] Speaker 2: good to maybe just show you some proof that dinosaurs
[27:04] Speaker 2: and large reptiles existed at the same time as humans did.
[27:08] Speaker 1: Well, speaking of roughly, what time period would you say
[27:13] Speaker 1: that these dragons existed and we may have had communication
[27:17] Speaker 1: or relationships with them.
[27:20] Speaker 2: I the earliest one that I found has to probably
[27:23] Speaker 2: be I would say maybe the fifth or sixth century BC,
[27:34] Speaker 2: when a Neo Babylonian empire built this beautiful using one
[27:39] Speaker 2: of the important crystals that the dragons need, one of
[27:43] Speaker 2: the greatest cities of all time, which I would call Ishtar,
[27:49] Speaker 2: the Ishtar Gate. This is Nebuchadnezza the second. He was
[27:52] Speaker 2: a Babylonian king, and he had dragons all over his
[27:55] Speaker 2: kingdom and he celebrated them as he did irons and
[28:01] Speaker 2: many other creatures. I'd like to show you a picture.
[28:05] Speaker 2: This is like a representation of what the gate looked like.
[28:09] Speaker 2: This is the entrance and there is an important one
[28:12] Speaker 2: of the important crystals here. Now whereas, oh, this is
[28:19] Speaker 2: the Ishtar gate built during the Neo Babylonian era modern
[28:26] Speaker 2: day Iran and Iraq. Yeah, approximately five seventy five BCE,
[28:32] Speaker 2: so it was it was commissioned by the Babylonian king
[28:35] Speaker 2: nebuchad Neza the second, who was such a powerful king.
[28:38] Speaker 2: He's he's also mentioned in many biblical scriptures. And I
[28:44] Speaker 2: mean this gives you an idea of what it looked like,
[28:46] Speaker 2: but it obviously was much bigger than this. And you'll
[28:52] Speaker 2: see one of the one of these reliefs. This is
[28:56] Speaker 2: like a tiled sort of external facade. And they they
[29:04] Speaker 2: they loved this blue, this blue crystal. Now the crystal
[29:10] Speaker 2: is really important. Ah. This crystal was also represented on
[29:17] Speaker 2: Aaron's breastplate. Uh and many many like Pharisee Sadduces used
[29:26] Speaker 2: this crystal. Now, now, diamonds are not that valuable compared
[29:32] Speaker 2: to these kind of crystals, because they used to create
[29:36] Speaker 2: their their cities from this. The the name of the
[29:41] Speaker 2: crystal is a type of sapphire tile, so they used
[29:45] Speaker 2: sapphire amethysts, you can uh topaz emeralds uh lit girl
[29:56] Speaker 2: beryl onyx stones, sadius. I don't even know what have
[30:00] Speaker 2: of these look like, but I know jasper is sort
[30:03] Speaker 2: of dark red, amethystis purple, and the these crystals all
[30:11] Speaker 2: separate light. So this is what the dragon needs to swallow.
[30:15] Speaker 2: Now there's a part of the dragon near his throat
[30:18] Speaker 2: that is called a crawl. This part of the dragon
[30:22] Speaker 2: will catch those stones, and that's important to generate electricity,
[30:31] Speaker 2: which then also helps the dragon create fire because it
[30:34] Speaker 2: has like a thimble type device at the top of
[30:38] Speaker 2: its mouth. It's represented here with a Fibonacci sequence like
[30:42] Speaker 2: a curl. This stuff is very kind of it gets
[30:46] Speaker 2: very complicated the theories, but but basically this is I mean,
[30:51] Speaker 2: I don't know what other creature this could be. It
[30:55] Speaker 2: looks very similar to the one from France.
[30:57] Speaker 1: And primarily what literature are you pulling the information about
[31:02] Speaker 1: these dragons from?
[31:06] Speaker 2: So some of it is like biblical allegory, the Apocrypta
[31:10] Speaker 2: I have. There's some mention of it in sort of
[31:15] Speaker 2: Dante mentions it. A lot of this I'm just putting
[31:19] Speaker 2: together from things I've read. Uh, some of this is
[31:26] Speaker 2: is also from like all Germanic texts that I don't
[31:33] Speaker 2: think have been translated into English, because I do read
[31:36] Speaker 2: German and and the the full history of the Roman Empire.
[31:41] Speaker 2: They they came across dragons. Some of it is from
[31:45] Speaker 2: the theories on the on sort of the Suicide of Saul,
[31:50] Speaker 2: which is a theories on a painting that has an
[31:53] Speaker 2: army of dragons in it, and I'll show you that next.
[31:56] Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's, yeah.
[31:58] Speaker 1: This fascinating.
[32:00] Speaker 2: It is absolutely amazing. It's absolutely amazing. I mean there's
[32:05] Speaker 2: there aren't many topics I don't think that are as
[32:07] Speaker 2: kind of undiscovered by modern modern man. Yeah. So I
[32:14] Speaker 2: mean the references to I don't know if the Babylonians
[32:18] Speaker 2: use this as a military machine, but they absolutely love
[32:22] Speaker 2: this thing. Yeah, but they're all over the world. I
[32:26] Speaker 2: mean you just have to sort of like deep down
[32:29] Speaker 2: it makes sense.
[32:29] Speaker 1: You look at Game of Thrones, the new version House
[32:33] Speaker 1: of Dragon, it's primarily about how they were using dragons
[32:38] Speaker 1: for battle.
[32:39] Speaker 2: Yes, I mean dragons were obviously in Game of Thrones.
[32:42] Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of truth hidden in some
[32:44] Speaker 2: of these things. You have dragons in the Hobbit to JR. Tolkien.
[32:50] Speaker 2: Dragons are such a crucial part of Western civilization. And
[32:54] Speaker 2: if you if you look at any Taoist temple, you'll
[32:57] Speaker 2: have dragons on each side. Each pillar will have a dragon.
[33:00] Speaker 2: One's going down, one's going up, one's sending energy away.
[33:04] Speaker 2: It's just it's a never ending thing. I found them
[33:07] Speaker 2: in Cambodia. This is a looks like a Stegeliosaurus or spinosaurus.
[33:12] Speaker 2: This is nine hundred years old, so this is you
[33:16] Speaker 2: could call this ancient ancient world. Yeah, I mean obviously
[33:19] Speaker 2: nine hundred years ago, people wouldn't have known that at
[33:22] Speaker 2: some time in the future people would massacre and hunt
[33:25] Speaker 2: these things to become famous or he or to call
[33:30] Speaker 2: themselves heroes, because they were large and they were dangerous,
[33:34] Speaker 2: and people didn't understand the importance of these creatures within
[33:39] Speaker 2: our reality. And I think now I'm starting to realize
[33:43] Speaker 2: that the electricity that they harnessed was important. It was
[33:47] Speaker 2: an energy force, and it was very much connected to
[33:51] Speaker 2: larger trees, longer life, larger creatures, larger humans. Even I
[33:56] Speaker 2: think they were connected to giants without the lizard creating
[34:00] Speaker 2: electricity or this large dragon.
[34:04] Speaker 1: So the dragons were essentially massive generators for us as well.
[34:08] Speaker 2: Yes, I think they were generators, and I think it's
[34:11] Speaker 2: it's just like insects our generators, Like even the pollination
[34:14] Speaker 2: of a bee, if you do it away with all bees,
[34:16] Speaker 2: because because you think they're pests, suddenly fruit, you know,
[34:20] Speaker 2: there's no more fertilization, there's no more pollen being you know, delivered,
[34:24] Speaker 2: so there's no more fruit and vegetables, and then that
[34:27] Speaker 2: can connect them to what animals are eating. Then then
[34:31] Speaker 2: we don't have that in our diet anymore. And it's
[34:34] Speaker 2: the same in China, they culled like thousands of birds
[34:37] Speaker 2: that were eating from the fields, eating the crops, and
[34:42] Speaker 2: a few months later they had a locust swarm, a
[34:45] Speaker 2: biblical level locust infestation that destroyed in entire town cities
[34:51] Speaker 2: were just like covered in locusts because the birds were
[34:54] Speaker 2: no longer hunting and eating the locusts. So they destroyed
[34:58] Speaker 2: that equilibrium, that kind of animal kingdom balance, you know.
[35:03] Speaker 2: And I think that's what we did with the lizard,
[35:06] Speaker 2: with these large reptiles. I mean, in Cambodia nine hundred
[35:10] Speaker 2: years ago, you would not have known that one day
[35:13] Speaker 2: in the future all of mankind would be lied to
[35:16] Speaker 2: and told that dinosaurs never existed, so of course you're
[35:19] Speaker 2: going to put them into your temples and cathedrals.
[35:23] Speaker 1: Traditionally, the dinosaurs are never really considered intelligent by modern science.
[35:30] Speaker 1: We're going off of the literature from our past and
[35:34] Speaker 1: some of the things that you were discussing. It seems
[35:37] Speaker 1: that these beings were highly intelligent. That was just another
[35:42] Speaker 1: way to cover up the reality of the situation by
[35:46] Speaker 1: making them seem more like our modern reptiles, alligators, lizards,
[35:52] Speaker 1: things of that nature that don't display that level of intelligence.
[35:55] Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, I mean understanding. I guess what the
[36:05] Speaker 2: importance of a piece of our natural world is. Its
[36:11] Speaker 2: usually something that happens long after we make the mistake
[36:14] Speaker 2: of a you know, extinction level sort of events, like
[36:20] Speaker 2: like poisoning water supply or you know, building a dam
[36:24] Speaker 2: and flooding in a tire city because we don't want
[36:26] Speaker 2: that to be part of the history of the country anymore,
[36:30] Speaker 2: or or targeting a specific type of person like I mean,
[36:34] Speaker 2: we have this with the Rockefellers changing the frequency in music.
[36:37] Speaker 2: We have it with medicine getting rid of all homeopaths,
[36:42] Speaker 2: kind of villainizing them, telling them, you know, telling everyone
[36:45] Speaker 2: that they are evil, and then replacing homeopathic medicine with
[36:50] Speaker 2: with with your kind of medicine that you want, which
[36:53] Speaker 2: doesn't treat the cause but just treats the pain or
[36:56] Speaker 2: the or the effect of the illness and the disease,
[37:00] Speaker 2: because you want to create this kind of never ending
[37:03] Speaker 2: kind of customer retail financial operation. And I think and
[37:08] Speaker 2: I think that's also the same with with with with
[37:10] Speaker 2: you know, people who are who are kind of taking
[37:14] Speaker 2: insulin when when there's actually fruit that can deal with
[37:17] Speaker 2: these issues or herbs. Chinese medicine, you know, is very
[37:21] Speaker 2: hard to get hold of outside of you know, China,
[37:25] Speaker 2: even though it's thousands of years old. So so I
[37:28] Speaker 2: mean even even like cancer treatment, so you know, everyone's
[37:31] Speaker 2: going for a specific type of treatment. And and I
[37:34] Speaker 2: think that sometimes there's sort of there's like there's people
[37:40] Speaker 2: who do stand up. Like with with ivermectin, there was
[37:43] Speaker 2: a big movement during COVID right spearheaded by people like
[37:47] Speaker 2: Alex Jones and Joe Rogan. They were trying to say, oh,
[37:50] Speaker 2: you know, go for this, and now we're finding out
[37:52] Speaker 2: that actually that is the best treatment, and people are
[37:56] Speaker 2: kind of like backtracking, And I think this is what
[37:58] Speaker 2: mankind does quite quite often. I mean, especially in the
[38:01] Speaker 2: modern world, we've we seem to have like put our
[38:05] Speaker 2: foot in it quite quite often. And when you when
[38:08] Speaker 2: you think of like global warming, like people now are
[38:11] Speaker 2: realizing that actually, maybe that isn't that much of a
[38:13] Speaker 2: problem because everyone's now building data centers and they don't
[38:16] Speaker 2: really care about water that much anymore. So maybe our gores,
[38:20] Speaker 2: you know, the inconvenient truth, was actually a convenient lie.
[38:26] Speaker 1: So how can we connect dragons with the suppression and
[38:31] Speaker 1: removal of the divine feminine within the collective consciousness?
[38:37] Speaker 2: Right? I mean, I think it's all feminine. I think
[38:40] Speaker 2: the queens of our past were kings in sort of drag,
[38:48] Speaker 2: so so I think they I think the royal families,
[38:50] Speaker 2: the royal noble families, know, I don't think really think.
[38:54] Speaker 1: The ancient royals were drag.
[38:55] Speaker 2: Queens absolutely all of them. Yes, it was a say precaution, yeah, yeah.
[39:02] Speaker 2: I think that Eve came before Adam. I think that
[39:05] Speaker 2: those demonic entities that got thrown down to earth were
[39:08] Speaker 2: feminine too. I think that the statues of what they
[39:12] Speaker 2: look like. All over the world, you have these statues
[39:14] Speaker 2: of like these almost like Greco Roman women that have
[39:19] Speaker 2: masculine features, these crazy jawbones and stuff, and they have
[39:22] Speaker 2: like multiple mammary glands. You know, those are the faigen angels.
[39:28] Speaker 2: They're all female, and it's very logical for them to
[39:32] Speaker 2: be female because a human Homo sapien woman does not
[39:37] Speaker 2: have a womb large enough to you know, give birth
[39:41] Speaker 2: to a giant, you know, those nephiline giants, right like
[39:45] Speaker 2: David and Goliath, those stories gilgameshto's so, I mean, you
[39:49] Speaker 2: need a giant to give birth to a giant. You
[39:53] Speaker 2: can't have a normal you know, woman washing her hair
[39:58] Speaker 2: by the river and this dep comes down and says, oh,
[40:01] Speaker 2: we're now going to have a child, you know. I
[40:03] Speaker 2: mean they made themselves look very beautiful. There's lots of
[40:06] Speaker 2: fables and myths and stories, especially in Greece, that they
[40:09] Speaker 2: made themselves look like swans, they gave themselves wings, all
[40:12] Speaker 2: of this stuff. But I think those were women making
[40:15] Speaker 2: themselves beautiful so that the men seed could be taken
[40:18] Speaker 2: and they could then create these abominations like the minotaur,
[40:22] Speaker 2: and you know, all of these kind of like you know, crazy.
[40:26] Speaker 1: So you think all the fallen angels, which can also
[40:30] Speaker 1: be considered old gods or the Olympians, they were all female.
[40:38] Speaker 2: I think that the ones who gave birth to the
[40:42] Speaker 2: Nephilim were female. I'm not saying I'm not saying they
[40:46] Speaker 2: weren't like masculine versions. But you're looking here. I mean,
[40:50] Speaker 2: we're talking about angels. We're talking about very powerful entities
[40:54] Speaker 2: that could probably that wouldn't be I don't think limited
[40:56] Speaker 2: by by gender, right, But they definitely were wanted to
[41:00] Speaker 2: create monsters. They definitely wanted to create you know, chimeras.
[41:05] Speaker 1: And you think they're responsible for the inversion of the
[41:10] Speaker 1: divine feminine or the suppression.
[41:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, if you worship any of these gods, which the
[41:17] Speaker 2: whole world was worshiping until Jesus came along, right, I
[41:20] Speaker 2: mean the Roman Empire threw away all of those demonic
[41:24] Speaker 2: empties like Mars, you know, Zeus, you know all of them, Saturn, mercury. Right,
[41:29] Speaker 2: these these these were demons that were whispering into the
[41:33] Speaker 2: ears of man, saying, look at the reptile. Look what
[41:36] Speaker 2: we can do with it. We can create gunpowder. Oh yeah,
[41:39] Speaker 2: because it all comes from one thing, It all comes
[41:41] Speaker 2: from nature. They had, first of all, they had to
[41:44] Speaker 2: learn the limitations of this place that is a three
[41:47] Speaker 2: dimensional place. It's not a five dimensional place like in
[41:50] Speaker 2: heaven where they were playing on their harpsichords praising God
[41:53] Speaker 2: because that's what they were created for. So so, I mean,
[41:56] Speaker 2: you have stories of Lucifer being geomedic trickly designed to
[42:01] Speaker 2: be a musical instrument. He was made of musical instruments.
[42:05] Speaker 2: That's a biblical scripture. He was actually made out of
[42:07] Speaker 2: musical instruments, and then he's falling down to earth, Like
[42:10] Speaker 2: we can't really imagine this stuff, but we do know
[42:13] Speaker 2: that there's a divine connection between a harpsichord and the
[42:17] Speaker 2: Bible because the harpsichord has eighty eight strings, and the
[42:20] Speaker 2: original Bible before Pope Gregory and obviously King James removed
[42:25] Speaker 2: twenty two books, so that gives us what we have today,
[42:28] Speaker 2: which is sixty six books. So you could almost have
[42:32] Speaker 2: each book of the Bible linked to a frequency. And
[42:36] Speaker 2: if you know Hebrew, like the first letter of all
[42:38] Speaker 2: of the prophets too, gives you this message that He
[42:44] Speaker 2: is coming my son, and all of these crazy things
[42:47] Speaker 2: that you couldn't have and no human being could have
[42:50] Speaker 2: fought that up over many centuries, and then have it
[42:54] Speaker 2: linked into link with each with itself, you know. So
[42:58] Speaker 2: there is this great knowledge and power, but now it's
[43:02] Speaker 2: within something evil. So you have this this this story
[43:06] Speaker 2: in the Bible that Lucifer becomes Satan, and Satan can't
[43:09] Speaker 2: go back to heaven, but the angel still can. And
[43:12] Speaker 2: it doesn't say that foraden angels can't ascend and and
[43:16] Speaker 2: go back up there with you know, go back and
[43:19] Speaker 2: pick up their their harp and carry on, you know,
[43:22] Speaker 2: praising God. So I think we have angels down here
[43:25] Speaker 2: that are good. Then you have obviously stories like Michael
[43:27] Speaker 2: the archangel who comes down and kills like three hundred
[43:31] Speaker 2: thousand men in one night, and and and so they
[43:35] Speaker 2: obviously have great power and they can manipulate this reality.
[43:40] Speaker 2: And it's probably like us playing with like a computer game.
[43:44] Speaker 2: That's what I sometimes compare it to. It's kind of
[43:47] Speaker 2: like they have a little model and they're going to
[43:50] Speaker 2: try to see if if there's anything in there that
[43:53] Speaker 2: isn't an NPC. And then it's like, oh, that's interesting.
[43:56] Speaker 2: Let's give this person or this soul more power, and
[44:00] Speaker 2: you can ascend maybe maybe get more power, more privilege,
[44:05] Speaker 2: but you can also lose that privilege because those angels
[44:08] Speaker 2: many of those angels fell and there's a lot of
[44:12] Speaker 2: reference to that. There's a fallen angel boardroom where each seat,
[44:23] Speaker 2: each seats is waiting for the angel, the fallen angel
[44:27] Speaker 2: to come and take his take up his his place.
[44:33] Speaker 2: So I think that this might be this was somewhere
[44:36] Speaker 2: in Europe as well. I think they do say Lucifer
[44:39] Speaker 2: fell down in America. There's a location and the date
[44:46] Speaker 2: was nineteen fourteen. Someone told me said that there was
[44:50] Speaker 2: a date in nineteen fourteen. So up until nineteen fourteen,
[44:53] Speaker 2: which is the beginning of the First World World War,
[44:56] Speaker 2: you have Lucifer, you know, in the sky or in
[45:01] Speaker 2: the heavenly realm, and then yeah, he falls down.
[45:05] Speaker 1: So these dragons are essentially like any other large animal
[45:10] Speaker 1: we have on the planet. They can be very beneficial
[45:14] Speaker 1: and useful or they can be extremely destructive, depending on
[45:19] Speaker 1: how we're treating them. But because of these fallen angel beings,
[45:25] Speaker 1: they were pushed to be used for the dark side
[45:28] Speaker 1: of things, and essentially the dragon archetype became malevolent in
[45:34] Speaker 1: our perspective because of it.
[45:37] Speaker 2: Yes, I mean even Lucifer the morning Star, the idea
[45:41] Speaker 2: of a star falling, even that's you've got the star
[45:44] Speaker 2: sign as well of the snake Opekias, and then you
[45:49] Speaker 2: have Lucifers. The devil is always looked upon as a
[45:54] Speaker 2: reptile as the snake, So yes, I mean, why should
[45:57] Speaker 2: why do we keep doing that? And I think that
[46:00] Speaker 2: the reason we do that is because we don't want people.
[46:04] Speaker 2: We want people to stay away from that knowledge, because
[46:08] Speaker 2: once you know that, then you're on the same level
[46:11] Speaker 2: as the elites and you can't really be ruled. And
[46:14] Speaker 2: I think that's where we need to be. That's where
[46:17] Speaker 2: every human being needs to be, because it's only really
[46:20] Speaker 2: God that should be above us. But one of my
[46:25] Speaker 2: favorite references to to the the reptilian being very much
[46:33] Speaker 2: part of human society it is this painting, which is
[46:37] Speaker 2: a not a famous painting, even though it is an
[46:41] Speaker 2: incredible painting. This this is the here. Here you can
[46:45] Speaker 2: see King Saul. He's committing self termination. Yeah, so he's
[46:51] Speaker 2: falling upon his sword. Now, when you look at this painting,
[46:55] Speaker 2: you see obviously like an almost where's Walder, Where's what
[46:59] Speaker 2: kind of concept of endless armies? And you're trying to
[47:02] Speaker 2: work out, Okay, so they're coming up here, they're going
[47:05] Speaker 2: to take him out, and he doesn't have much time left.
[47:07] Speaker 2: That guy literally is almost at the top of that
[47:10] Speaker 2: that peak, so they're both obviously falling upon their sword.
[47:15] Speaker 2: So that's it's kind of over and it's a it's
[47:17] Speaker 2: a beautiful, large, priceless, obviously image. But then you look
[47:22] Speaker 2: right at the back here and you start to realize
[47:24] Speaker 2: that we're talking here about this Eurasian Can you see that?
[47:30] Speaker 1: I see it. They're riding dinosaurs. They are dinosaurs.
[47:36] Speaker 2: Well, they do look like dinosaurs, yeah, unless they're giant
[47:39] Speaker 2: cats walking backwards. But but yeah, so I tried to
[47:44] Speaker 2: because getting a decent river resolution of that was not
[47:48] Speaker 2: was not easy, so I I try to find more
[47:52] Speaker 2: images and then somebody's already kind of looked into it.
[47:56] Speaker 2: They are indeed large. The Bronchosaurus are continua sources. Yeah.
[48:02] Speaker 1: So do you think that means that there were many
[48:07] Speaker 1: different types of these massive reptilian beings, including the classic
[48:13] Speaker 1: winged dragon, fire breathing dragons that we see from medieval folklore,
[48:18] Speaker 1: that they were all a part of our reality.
[48:22] Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, if there's anything that we have that
[48:27] Speaker 2: we that you see every civilization being attached to for
[48:30] Speaker 2: whatever reason, that means it was seen by someone and
[48:34] Speaker 2: it had such such an impact on them and their
[48:36] Speaker 2: lives and their reality that it was never going to
[48:40] Speaker 2: be deleted by anyone, no matter how uncomfortable it is.
[48:44] Speaker 2: But but again that doesn't really help me understand why,
[48:49] Speaker 2: why can the why is this not a famous painting
[48:53] Speaker 2: when it is obviously a very important piece of history.
[48:57] Speaker 2: Why would someone put all of these resources? I mean,
[49:00] Speaker 2: every century you go back, oil painting and any of
[49:04] Speaker 2: the stuff becomes more and more expensive, and and I
[49:07] Speaker 2: think if you're doing this in the in the sixteenth century,
[49:13] Speaker 2: and you're painting a dinosaur which is which is not
[49:16] Speaker 2: a name that that we've been using before, like the
[49:19] Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds, So yeah, why are you drawing these dragon's,
[49:22] Speaker 2: serpents or behemoth as they were referenced? So then you
[49:27] Speaker 2: can actually go to the next stage. You can use
[49:29] Speaker 2: your intuition. People have then said, okay, let's not just
[49:33] Speaker 2: search for dragons, let's look for serpents. What is a serpent?
[49:36] Speaker 2: Is it really a snake? And you find out that
[49:37] Speaker 2: it's not. It could be winged, right, And then you
[49:40] Speaker 2: look at the behemoth, what does that mean? Does it
[49:42] Speaker 2: just mean big? No? It actually is also another reference
[49:46] Speaker 2: throughout antiquity that could help us find more proof of dinosaurs.
[49:51] Speaker 2: So that's the Suicide of Soul. That's the name of
[49:53] Speaker 2: the painting. If anyone wants to look into that, it's
[49:57] Speaker 2: a it's a really good like starting point. These are
[49:59] Speaker 2: these are like starting points for people who want to
[50:01] Speaker 2: look into it.
[50:03] Speaker 1: Well, I know you wanted to get into the America
[50:07] Speaker 1: Ancient Egypt connection. We've got a little time left before
[50:10] Speaker 1: we do. Is there anything else relating to dragons that
[50:13] Speaker 1: we didn't cover that you'd like to mention?
[50:19] Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, I think that it's important to actually read
[50:25] Speaker 2: people's like important and famous people's diaries and records, things
[50:33] Speaker 2: that they wouldn't have falsified, because a lot of things
[50:37] Speaker 2: can be falsified. But for me, I think this is
[50:41] Speaker 2: the connection with the Tartarian Empire, the Chinese Empire. And
[50:50] Speaker 2: I think it also is important to look at America.
[50:54] Speaker 2: What records are there in America of any kind of
[51:00] Speaker 2: you know, reptilian larger reptilian creatures, and how important were
[51:04] Speaker 2: they to people to like, were there any records of dragons,
[51:09] Speaker 2: because there should be if there, you know, if if
[51:12] Speaker 2: it is in fact that crucial part of our of
[51:15] Speaker 2: our history and I have found obviously the Tartarian flag,
[51:20] Speaker 2: which is important because it shows us that they were
[51:24] Speaker 2: relying on this animal for some esoteric secret. And then
[51:29] Speaker 2: you have old encyclopedias. This is a this is an
[51:32] Speaker 2: old one. This one actually, I think is this is
[51:41] Speaker 2: I think from the eighteen hundreds, and it says that
[51:43] Speaker 2: the dragon or huge serpent is now rare, but it's
[51:48] Speaker 2: a fabulous animal, generally a monstrous winged, scaly serpent, lizard
[51:52] Speaker 2: or saurian. So there's a new word we can use
[51:55] Speaker 2: to search for them. Saurian a fierce or very strict person.
[52:02] Speaker 2: So it's also associated with the woman, the female energy,
[52:09] Speaker 2: and almost like the dragon is the female. And then
[52:12] Speaker 2: I realized the male must be the one that doesn't
[52:14] Speaker 2: have wings. Sometimes the male doesn't is not, as you know,
[52:19] Speaker 2: esthetically pleasing with birds. I think it's the other way around.
[52:23] Speaker 2: But with the lizard or the dragon, you're basically just
[52:28] Speaker 2: saying that the male is a dinosaur and is extinct
[52:31] Speaker 2: and the female dragon is a myth. But actually they
[52:34] Speaker 2: are both existing simultaneously at the same time, and the
[52:39] Speaker 2: female has the wings because that's the king and the male.
[52:43] Speaker 2: The male sometimes is used as the king, but it's
[52:47] Speaker 2: actually just the same exact species.
[52:53] Speaker 1: But it's times because there seems to be a fine
[52:55] Speaker 1: line between birdlike features and reptilian when it comes to
[53:00] Speaker 1: the portrayals of dinosaurs. Do you think any of their
[53:03] Speaker 1: being had feathers?
[53:06] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I do, I do. I Actually, there actually
[53:10] Speaker 2: are many dragons that exist in China that that people
[53:16] Speaker 2: are somehow never talking about. Uh, there are dragon fossils,
[53:20] Speaker 2: dragon like dragons. Dragons literally still exist in certain places
[53:26] Speaker 2: that are well guarded. This is a chicken like dragon.
[53:33] Speaker 2: This this one, this is like from Tartar City in
[53:37] Speaker 2: which is now called bait Beijing was called Peaking. So
[53:41] Speaker 2: the top of that, this is supposedly a real one
[53:44] Speaker 2: and and and this one does have that those chicken features,
[53:48] Speaker 2: but we're also told the chickens are a direct relative
[53:51] Speaker 2: of the dragon the dinosaur. So yeah, but I mean,
[53:58] Speaker 2: nothing is ever one hundred percent with this. But yeah,
[54:02] Speaker 2: they are worshiping these creatures because of their electromagnetic power.
[54:07] Speaker 2: That's that's something that I am pretty convinced of now.
[54:10] Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I can try to show the
[54:12] Speaker 2: whole thing. I'm looking for seams, I'm I'm I tried
[54:18] Speaker 2: to see if this was a chicken head sewn onto
[54:21] Speaker 2: a snake or something. But I can't I couldn't find
[54:24] Speaker 2: the seams. I found a few of these images. This
[54:26] Speaker 2: is the best one that I've found. But yeah, I
[54:29] Speaker 2: mean there is definitely a connection there. That's a good
[54:31] Speaker 2: connection to make. Yeah, there are a lot of like
[54:34] Speaker 2: records in the Western world too, of these creatures, so
[54:37] Speaker 2: it's not just you know, it's not just Asia, Like
[54:41] Speaker 2: this is from a from a beast Cheery book, which
[54:44] Speaker 2: which is just you know, describing unusual animals. And then
[54:49] Speaker 2: you have Marco Polo discussed how there were dragons everywhere
[54:52] Speaker 2: people were using them as pets. And I mean the
[54:57] Speaker 2: most amazing kind of esoteric story would have to be
[55:01] Speaker 2: this one where in America a large dragon attacked a
[55:06] Speaker 2: steam railway train. This is this. I mean, I have
[55:10] Speaker 2: a lot of these stories, but this is the Southern
[55:12] Speaker 2: Pacific Railroad train near Dots Palms, California. And this is
[55:19] Speaker 2: somebody's drawing of what happens. So I think it attacked
[55:24] Speaker 2: the steam locomotive.
[55:26] Speaker 1: Now, for those listening, it's a drawing of a train
[55:30] Speaker 1: being attacked by a massive dragon. And you're saying, this
[55:34] Speaker 1: is a drawing by a person that experienced this, right.
[55:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is this is an entire train
[55:43] Speaker 2: with like full of people that wrote to the newspaper.
[55:48] Speaker 2: I mean I think at this point some dragons may
[55:50] Speaker 2: have still existed in the United States. Yeah, and it's
[55:54] Speaker 2: pretty amazing that that they went all the way to
[55:57] Speaker 2: the newspaper that they even described how the rear of
[56:00] Speaker 2: the train, uh somehow the tail of the dragon got
[56:06] Speaker 2: caught on the one of the rear cabooses and then
[56:09] Speaker 2: got dissected. So the so the the the tale of
[56:14] Speaker 2: the dragon was kind of still on the train as
[56:17] Speaker 2: a as a as it kind of escaped this attack. Yeah. Yeah,
[56:22] Speaker 2: I mean that's weird. Why would you be that specific
[56:25] Speaker 2: with the story? And that's that's one of the best
[56:30] Speaker 2: ones in the United States because it's it's catalogued, yeah,
[56:35] Speaker 2: with within within the within the newspaper, the California Yea Poste.
[56:40] Speaker 2: So you have like a lot a lot of these
[56:42] Speaker 2: references to to this kind of uh the the this
[56:47] Speaker 2: species of creature. And and I mean that still doesn't
[56:51] Speaker 2: again explain why it's been removed, but but it's still yeah,
[56:57] Speaker 2: pretty pretty kind of inspiring or or and Spartans.
[57:00] Speaker 1: It's all fascinating. Now we only have a few minutes left,
[57:04] Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure you have a lot of information
[57:07] Speaker 1: as it relates to the America Ancient Egypt connection. So
[57:12] Speaker 1: maybe today we can get an introduction into some of
[57:15] Speaker 1: that research and we can schedule another discussion to go
[57:18] Speaker 1: deeper into that.
[57:20] Speaker 2: Yes, so so yeah, we we should do do do
[57:25] Speaker 2: an episode just on trying to kind of get all
[57:31] Speaker 2: my kind of references and sources with with that. But
[57:36] Speaker 2: but America is uh, the true old world. America is
[57:44] Speaker 2: the the is really the Egypt of of our our realm,
[57:52] Speaker 2: And there are so many ways to sort of tackle
[57:58] Speaker 2: that topic. But but for me, if I the more
[58:04] Speaker 2: that I look into it, the more the more proof
[58:06] Speaker 2: I've been getting, uh, just trying to understand the symbol
[58:10] Speaker 2: of like the Corn Palace, why does it have a
[58:13] Speaker 2: crescent and star on it? Where did the worldfairs come from?
[58:17] Speaker 2: Who built these gigantic cities, why do they have Moorish architecture?
[58:22] Speaker 2: Again the crescent of the star.
[58:24] Speaker 1: So you think some of the worldfare architecture may have
[58:27] Speaker 1: been connected to this Egyptian civilization that was here long
[58:32] Speaker 1: before anyone else.
[58:35] Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because if because the stars and the crescent
[58:38] Speaker 2: moon aligned in such a way over over the United
[58:42] Speaker 2: States that that you have the venus following the horns
[58:47] Speaker 2: of the crescent. This is this is a symbol of
[58:53] Speaker 2: Islam and the Muslim Caliphate. I think that you could
[59:01] Speaker 2: argue that the Irish actually came from the United States,
[59:05] Speaker 2: from America, and that they were Egyptians. And because they
[59:09] Speaker 2: have the same god, they have Cathunum, and that is
[59:14] Speaker 2: a direct duplication of the Egyptian Kununos. So this is
[59:19] Speaker 2: the one holding the snake again, holding a reptile. That's interesting.
[59:22] Speaker 2: I didn't think that's another connection to the snake. And
[59:24] Speaker 2: he has the crescent moon on top of his head.
[59:26] Speaker 2: And they basically took their own gods from America at
[59:31] Speaker 2: the fall of at the invasion probably of the original Egypt.
[59:36] Speaker 2: So the Egypt in Africa, in my humble opinion based
[59:40] Speaker 2: on my research, is actually not the original Egypt. That
[59:43] Speaker 2: could be an Egyptian colony. It could have even been
[59:46] Speaker 2: constructed around some pyramids and then labeled as the original
[59:53] Speaker 2: chemet But I don't think that Land is the original Land.
[59:56] Speaker 2: I think that the Nile in Egypt is the Mississippi.
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: I think that the Dead Sea. Also there's a connection
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: with the with the location of certain lakes, the size
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: of certain lakes, and then just the sheer number of
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: these mounds, like the Cohokia Mounds. Uh. The Hebrew Hebrew
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: engravings that that are being discovered all the time in
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: the United States just references to Hebrew saying. Then the
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: Smithsonian expeditions into the Grand Canyon that I can maybe
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: go go into another time in more detail. But but
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: so many like Egyptian ones were found there, golden ones
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: that were then traded. There were more mummies, by the way,
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: more Egyptian psychophaga I found in the United States than
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: in Egypt in Europe, or or in in in Africa.
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: It seems the Grand Area here is a very important
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: area for that.
[1:01:00] Speaker 2: They were sold. Yeah, yeah, I mean they were sold.
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: Some of them were taken to Egypt from Colorado. Some
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: of them were taken from the Grand Canyon. Some of
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: them were taken yeah. Yeah. Like like even I was
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: looking into another city that had this Egyptian ball with
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: the sun disk on it. They found it there I
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: think Boston, and they did a whole TV show on it.
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: And then suddenly the TV show was gone and then
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: somebody bought it up. Also, some of the old movies
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: that I've been researching, like Cleopatra with Elizabeth Elizabeth Taylor,
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: that actually they were shooting parts of that film in
[1:01:39] Speaker 2: archaeological digs that the director of the movie was friends
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: with some archaeologists that said, you should film your movie here,
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: you know, because we have a large Egyptian temple here already.
[1:01:54] Speaker 2: And then of course the British got involved. They started
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: paying Elizabeth Taylor this crazy amount of money. She was
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: like the highest paid actress after they were involved, and
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: they said take everything to Pinewood Studios. We will pay
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: for everything, but we don't want you to carry on
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: filming in these actual Egyptian Egyptian you know, temples that
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: they discovered, because I think once you do that, you're
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: kind of lifting the veil on a very important thing,
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: which is you know, what is America? Is it the
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: New World or is it actually the world? And who
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: are the native Americans now? If you're saying that there's
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: Egypt there, but even the Garden of Eden. There was
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: a book written by Cankay Callaway Kincaid was the guy's name,
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: and he wrote an entire book just on the Garden
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: of Eden must have been in America because it's the
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: only place with a four headed river system. So it's
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: California that actually is the original America. And I've seen
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: reference to this in The Wizard of Oz where Dorothy
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: walks up to this tree and it's filled with apples,
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: and she's obviously in California, and there's these like Tucans
[1:03:08] Speaker 2: that are like not letting her get near the tree,
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: like they start throwing apples at her to try to
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: fend her off, and she eats the apple, and the
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: apple is this knowledge that she needs to find the
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz. And then you realize the Wizard of
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: Oz is actually floating around in this balloon from a
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: World's Fair, and it's an emerald city and that's another
[1:03:32] Speaker 2: one of those crystals from Aaron's breastplate that you need
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: to create electrical energy.
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: And yeah, that's fascinating. Do you think this information will
[1:03:43] Speaker 1: ever be widely accepted by academia? It seems that throughout
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: human history, once we came to a certain level of
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: knowledge and understanding, especially about our ruling class and their
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: relationship to us, that civilization gets reset somehow and we
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: have to start all over. It seems like humanity is
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: starting to gain a lot of dangerous knowledge that may
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: be a threat to the ruling class. Do you see
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: another possible reset in our future?
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: Yes, I think we will, So I think it's responsible
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: to presume that there will be some kind of reset.
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is a this is like,
[1:04:32] Speaker 2: this is a an awakening reset. And I think it's
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: a direct ripple effect of the lockdowns of COVID when
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: I started looking into things because I had to there's
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: nothing else to do. Uh, And I think that those
[1:04:46] Speaker 2: lockdowns are the beginning of this. So you can't really
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: I mean, unless you literally give everybody like a complete
[1:04:56] Speaker 2: freedom for financial freedom, you're not really going to be
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: able to there's no balance. You can't get balance from that.
[1:05:07] Speaker 2: Once you've done that, you've you've sort of taken away
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: this this this battle between good and evil. What you've
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: basically done is you've taken away people's freedom. Now. The
[1:05:17] Speaker 2: idea is or as far as like good and evil
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: is concerned in the Bible, it's it's like Satan thinks
[1:05:24] Speaker 2: that all of mankind will turn against God if they
[1:05:26] Speaker 2: are given freedom. Now, someone went outside of that kind
[1:05:31] Speaker 2: of balance of reality. In other words, if you're a
[1:05:35] Speaker 2: good person, you're going to follow God even if there
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: is no financial incentive or everlasting life incentive. And if
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: you're bad, well then you're going to turn to the
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: devil and he's going to give you knowledge and all
[1:05:45] Speaker 2: of these things. However, what we had is we had
[1:05:49] Speaker 2: these these large sort of pharmaceutical companies lock everybody into
[1:05:53] Speaker 2: their house, take away all of their freedom, and everyone
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: went online. And then I guess we got a divine
[1:06:00] Speaker 2: some kind of divine ascension happening where random people that
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: have no business being historians and research as start to
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: wake up and get like a higher level of consciousness.
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: So this has happened before throughout history multiple times. I've
[1:06:12] Speaker 2: counted at least fourteen different times when you know, everybody
[1:06:17] Speaker 2: kind of destroys like the Messiah, and then the Messiah
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: becomes the only god everyone wants to worship. So this
[1:06:23] Speaker 2: is the entire pantheon of Greek and Roman gods, all
[1:06:26] Speaker 2: of these fallen angels being kicked kicked out of our
[1:06:28] Speaker 2: consciousness and they are now archaic and we don't need
[1:06:31] Speaker 2: to look at them anymore. And now Jesus is the
[1:06:33] Speaker 2: only religion anybody wants. And then even the Holy Roman
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: Empire or before that, Constantine decided, okay, fine, let's just
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: all follow Jesus, and even the Vatican then ends up
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: following Jesus, even though they are the Roman Empire today
[1:06:47] Speaker 2: and they don't really worship Jesus and they don't really
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: want to worship Jesus, but they have to pretend to.
[1:06:55] Speaker 2: So they're still wearing the red shoes like Dorothy's slippers, right,
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: because they have killed the weed, which, right, they're still
[1:07:01] Speaker 2: wearing the red shoes. They're still they still have all
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: of this pine cone pagan worship all over the place.
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: The entire like the entire Vatican City, has its own
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: sort of military, its own policing. It's not really part
[1:07:13] Speaker 2: of the country either, just like just like the city
[1:07:18] Speaker 2: of London isn't part of London and not part of
[1:07:20] Speaker 2: the UK, just like like I think the same as
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: the case with Washington, right right, So yeah, and probably
[1:07:28] Speaker 2: Jerusalem too in Israel. So so what I'm thinking is, yes,
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: there will be a reset, but this is not the same.
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: This is not a man made greedy bankers creating a war.
[1:07:40] Speaker 2: So that they can take everyone's resources. This is not
[1:07:43] Speaker 2: like a World War two type thing. This is this
[1:07:45] Speaker 2: is this is all about the mind and I and
[1:07:49] Speaker 2: I think that this is why it is so important
[1:07:52] Speaker 2: for us to to communicate about this. We have to
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: understand why when this happened before in the past, so
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: that we understand the nature of the beast. You know,
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: the nature of this is literally a beast.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: Now one hundred Charles, this was amazing. Thank you so much.
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: You've done some great work and we're gonna have to
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: do another one of these. Of course, before I let
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: you go, remind the audience how they can find all
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: your content.
[1:08:18] Speaker 2: Yes, please follow me on Instagram. On on Instagram, you
[1:08:24] Speaker 2: you can you can use the the hashtag Charles Ross.
[1:08:32] Speaker 2: And my my account is called Charles Formosa, so you
[1:08:36] Speaker 2: can use that. Charles forsa. I post every day that's
[1:08:38] Speaker 2: what the algorithm wants. And I also I also have
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: a Facebook I get to write a little bit more
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: on Facebook again Charles Ross. The Yeah, there's a like
[1:08:56] Speaker 2: open open account there. And also have TikTok with teacher
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: Charles Taiwan. I think because I am because I live
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: in Taiwan. And also YouTube teacher Charles TV. YouTube is
[1:09:13] Speaker 2: something that I've started doing more kind of long form
[1:09:17] Speaker 2: content on. I'm not as as experienced as as Forbidden
[1:09:23] Speaker 2: Knowledge News, but I but yeah, there's a much more
[1:09:29] Speaker 2: kind of in depth thing. I did a video the
[1:09:32] Speaker 2: other day trying to really understand the Wizard of Oz,
[1:09:37] Speaker 2: the original book by Albaum and and I did a
[1:09:42] Speaker 2: little video on that. But as soon as you go
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: into these things and you presume that they're stories for children,
[1:09:47] Speaker 2: you suddenly realize that they're not for children, and there's
[1:09:51] Speaker 2: too much going on. So I'm almost like weary now
[1:09:54] Speaker 2: of presuming anything about anything.
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: Well, right on, Charles, I'll have if your link's easily
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: accessible for everyone, we will do this again and until
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: next time. Everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.
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