# Dawn of Discernment Clips: Unlocking Stories Through Words & Breath

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 5 Jun 2026, 15 min.

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## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: This is a clip from Dawn of Discernment. You can
[0:05] Speaker 1: access the entire episode now on our website and all
[0:08] Speaker 1: podcast platforms. We sort of by coaches, sort of by
[0:13] Speaker 1: coaches for seven years, and some people look at how
[0:18] Speaker 1: we work with people and they go, I don't want
[0:25] Speaker 1: anything to do with that. As far as going into
[0:29] Speaker 1: the emotions and things some coaches like, especially in the
[0:32] Speaker 1: fitness industry, we do. We do some some large podcasts
[0:36] Speaker 1: in the fitness industry and workshops and CrossFit gyms and things.
[0:41] Speaker 1: And some coaches see this and they're like, Nope, not
[0:43] Speaker 1: for me. I just want to help people with their
[0:46] Speaker 1: physical movements. And I say, and I'm sincere when I
[0:49] Speaker 1: say it. I understand. I completely understand. Some people see
[0:53] Speaker 1: this work and they're like, I do want to work
[0:55] Speaker 1: with people in that way, And I say the exact
[0:57] Speaker 1: same thing, and the exact same way, I completely understand.
[1:00] Speaker 1: It's it's it's what we're what we're attracted to. Attractions
[1:04] Speaker 1: not a choice. That's something that I firmly believe. Attraction
[1:09] Speaker 1: is not a choice. It's a gift. Good luck talking
[1:11] Speaker 1: yourself into being attracted to someone, good luck talking yourself
[1:15] Speaker 1: out of being attracted to someone good luck talking yourself
[1:18] Speaker 1: being talk yourself into being interested in something, and vice versa.
[1:22] Speaker 1: If it's there, it's a gift following. And because some
[1:27] Speaker 1: people like some people, they're attracted to acupuncture, that's that's
[1:33] Speaker 1: the way that they want to work with people. Fantastic.
[1:36] Speaker 1: Some people want to help people with nutrition. Some people
[1:39] Speaker 1: want to do family constellation. I mean, there's so many
[1:42] Speaker 1: different things, right and for me, I like going into
[1:47] Speaker 1: stories with people and helping them get their these stories
[1:50] Speaker 1: out of their head and unlock the breath and see
[1:54] Speaker 1: what happens. The unlifted definition of mindset is the story
[1:58] Speaker 1: that you tell yourself. And that story is made of
[2:01] Speaker 1: words and it's made of breath. So right there in
[2:04] Speaker 1: those two sentences, you've got what it is and what
[2:06] Speaker 1: it's made of. And when you know what it is
[2:09] Speaker 1: and what it's made of, then you can work on it.
[2:12] Speaker 1: Go like, what's the Merriam Webster's definition? Well, okay, well
[2:16] Speaker 1: what do you mean? What is that? What? It's not relatable?
[2:20] Speaker 1: If that's if there's one thing, there's several descriptors for
[2:25] Speaker 1: the unlifted definition of mindset. It's very relatable. Oh yeah,
[2:29] Speaker 1: I am telling myself stories about my body. I am
[2:32] Speaker 1: telling myself stories about that person. I am telling myself
[2:36] Speaker 1: stories about my finances and the government and Bill Gates
[2:41] Speaker 1: and cool. I've definitely got some stories about Bill Gates.
[2:46] Speaker 1: I'm right there with you on that one. I was
[2:48] Speaker 1: militant from the very beginning. I told my family this
[2:51] Speaker 1: thing was coming in twenty fifteen. They thought I was nuts.
[2:54] Speaker 1: I read my first David Like book in two thousand
[2:56] Speaker 1: and four. If you know what that is, then you
[2:58] Speaker 1: know what that is.
[3:00] Speaker 2: Yes, I know I'm familiar with David Nike. Yes, yes,
[3:03] Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen because that's when they brought out the
[3:06] Speaker 2: twenty thirty agenda. Yeah, you're saying about the Merriam Webster definition,
[3:10] Speaker 2: they say a fixed state of mind. So if it's
[3:13] Speaker 2: at the minute you're saying it's fixed, you're thinking that
[3:16] Speaker 2: it can't be changed. So, yes, that's a good point.
[3:22] Speaker 2: The Yes, it's anything that we think is fixed. If
[3:27] Speaker 2: we think it's fixed, then we're stuck in that thinking
[3:30] Speaker 2: it's fixed. So that's that actually is a dreadful description
[3:37] Speaker 2: because it suggests that things can't be changed. Of course,
[3:41] Speaker 2: that's the complete opposite of what you've been doing. Literally
[3:48] Speaker 2: in the real world.
[3:50] Speaker 1: Yes, for a very long time using different words. I'm
[3:53] Speaker 1: going to speaking of words. I'm going to start using
[3:55] Speaker 1: that word more dreadful. Dreadful. It's a dreadful definie. I like.
[4:01] Speaker 1: I like that word. I'm gonna use it more. Yeah,
[4:04] Speaker 1: it's it. And do people's negative emotions, Like people get
[4:08] Speaker 1: into emotional stories in those workshops if we go in
[4:12] Speaker 1: that direction. Uh, yes, they do. Here's an example. So
[4:17] Speaker 1: this was four years ago, and I could, I could list,
[4:24] Speaker 1: we could talk for the next six hours, and I
[4:26] Speaker 1: just tell stories about scenarios like this, because it's super
[4:32] Speaker 1: common for people to keep the scary stories in their head.
[4:37] Speaker 1: Why would I write that scary story out. I'm doing
[4:40] Speaker 1: my best not to think about it. I understand. And
[4:43] Speaker 1: it's you got You don't gotta do anything. And if
[4:47] Speaker 1: you want some relief, you gotta go in there, confront
[4:50] Speaker 1: the dragon, get the gold, pick up that heavy ass pen,
[4:54] Speaker 1: and summon the demons so you can break those spells.
[4:58] Speaker 1: Webster's definition of a spell, which I definitely like a
[5:02] Speaker 1: word or a combination of works of great influence. Most
[5:05] Speaker 1: people keep their combinations of words of great influence in
[5:10] Speaker 1: a negative influence and positive influence. So they're negative spells
[5:13] Speaker 1: and they're positives. They keep them in their head and
[5:15] Speaker 1: it's really hard to break spells that are kept in
[5:18] Speaker 1: the head, and it's really hard to cast spells that
[5:23] Speaker 1: they are in the head. So anyway, so yeah, pick
[5:27] Speaker 1: up that pen and go get the scary stories. And
[5:31] Speaker 1: it was four years ago. Workshop Virtual did the exact
[5:35] Speaker 1: same thing that I mentioned earlier. Ah, right, for five
[5:41] Speaker 1: minutes annoyed, art haunted, and there's about one hundred some
[5:46] Speaker 1: odd people in there, and I just picked. I was like, hey,
[5:49] Speaker 1: raise your hand if the story you wrote out brought
[5:52] Speaker 1: up some fields. This woman raised her hand, No big deal,
[5:56] Speaker 1: and I said, what, uh what entry point did you
[6:02] Speaker 1: write about? Annoyed, hurt, haunt And she said hurt? I
[6:04] Speaker 1: said cool, what did she write about? She wrote about
[6:07] Speaker 1: her friend at work talking bad about her behind her
[6:15] Speaker 1: and I said great. So she read it out. Step one,
[6:19] Speaker 1: title it, write it out, get the words out, and
[6:22] Speaker 1: we can go into that. There's a big difference between
[6:24] Speaker 1: stories in the head and stories that are written out.
[6:29] Speaker 1: She wrote it out and then I had to read it.
[6:31] Speaker 1: Step two. That brought up feelings as it normally does,
[6:35] Speaker 1: and I asked her, Hey, what are you feeling? And
[6:37] Speaker 1: she goes disappointment and I said, cool, tens high, ones low?
[6:43] Speaker 1: What number is that disappointment? Eight? Where do you feel
[6:47] Speaker 1: it localized in your body? In my chest? Those are
[6:52] Speaker 1: great questions, by the way, and then I asked the
[6:57] Speaker 1: follow up questions, This is why everybody to get your
[7:00] Speaker 1: breath low and slow. If you're a coach, if you're
[7:03] Speaker 1: thinking about coaching mindset, going into stories, helping people with
[7:07] Speaker 1: the stories that they're telling themselves, there's going to be
[7:09] Speaker 1: an emotional nature to that, because we are emotional beings,
[7:15] Speaker 1: and getting your breath low and slow does a lot
[7:18] Speaker 1: for you and a lot for the coach, excuse me,
[7:21] Speaker 1: a lot for your client. To talk about that in
[7:23] Speaker 1: a second, and so I asked her the second set
[7:26] Speaker 1: of magic questions, when was the first time you ever
[7:29] Speaker 1: felt that disappointment, that pressure in your chest? Because a
[7:35] Speaker 1: lot of times, and that's an understatement that those questions
[7:39] Speaker 1: will send people back to time frames or specific events
[7:43] Speaker 1: in their adolescence or childhood. That's where the real actions are.
[7:47] Speaker 1: The adult stuff that people are dealing with that's very real,
[7:51] Speaker 1: and it's normally just pushing buttons from way back then.
[7:54] Speaker 1: So we go get those stories way back then. And
[7:58] Speaker 1: I said, does that take you back to a specific memory?
[8:00] Speaker 1: We're timeframe and she goes, yes, it takes me back
[8:02] Speaker 1: to a specific memory. Now, granted there's one hundred people
[8:04] Speaker 1: on this call and we're just getting started. It's like
[8:07] Speaker 1: twenty five minutes in and it's everyone's la la la,
[8:11] Speaker 1: you know, doing some writing, some stuff out. It takes
[8:16] Speaker 1: you back to a specific event, she said, yes, it does.
[8:19] Speaker 1: I said, how old were you? Thirteen? And I said
[8:21] Speaker 1: what happened? She said, well, my parents had left and
[8:27] Speaker 1: I walked into my brother's room and he had hung himself.
[8:31] Speaker 1: He was dead, he was purple. And things got very real,
[8:38] Speaker 1: real quick for everybody on that call. And this is
[8:43] Speaker 1: any given tuesday for me, because I know how these
[8:49] Speaker 1: things work and I'm used to it. And I said, okay, great,
[8:53] Speaker 1: have you ever titled and written that story? She said no.
[8:57] Speaker 1: I said, great, what give it a title, Finding my Brother?
[9:01] Speaker 1: And so she wrote finding my Brother? And I said,
[9:03] Speaker 1: write out what happened, and I'm going to go work
[9:06] Speaker 1: with another person and I'll come back and we'll four
[9:09] Speaker 1: step that story. And so I went and worked with
[9:13] Speaker 1: another person came back and she had written it out.
[9:17] Speaker 1: Step one. So things this things called four stepping, and
[9:21] Speaker 1: it's the primary tool of and lifted. We teach it
[9:24] Speaker 1: at a high level in our certifications, and we also
[9:28] Speaker 1: talk about it and demonstrate it outside of those certifications too,
[9:33] Speaker 1: because we want people to know about it. It's very simple.
[9:37] Speaker 1: It's extremely powerful, very simple, extremely powerful, extremely effective, extremely
[9:43] Speaker 1: road tested. Again, people keep the scary stories in their heads.
[9:46] Speaker 1: So Step one, title it and write it out. She
[9:50] Speaker 1: did finding my brother wrote it out. It was two
[9:52] Speaker 1: paragraphs and I had then I had her read it.
[9:55] Speaker 1: Step two just read what she wrote. And it's important
[9:58] Speaker 1: to get it in writing everybody for a variety of reasons,
[10:01] Speaker 1: and here's one of them. We have three speeds. You
[10:05] Speaker 1: need to think about the speed of the story. This
[10:08] Speaker 1: is very important when it comes to helping someone change
[10:11] Speaker 1: the story they tell themselves, which is mindset. There are
[10:14] Speaker 1: three speeds of storytelling. Stories kept in the head, which
[10:18] Speaker 1: is where most people keep their stories. Those go the fastest.
[10:25] Speaker 1: Stories that are spoken, that's the middle speed, and stories
[10:31] Speaker 1: that are written down that's the slowest form of storytelling
[10:34] Speaker 1: that we have. And because it's the slowest form of storytelling,
[10:40] Speaker 1: people are going to get more detailed, and the devil
[10:44] Speaker 1: is in the details. I've heard there. And so stories
[10:49] Speaker 1: kept in the head they go really fast. They're seemingly infinite.
[10:55] Speaker 1: They're very disorganized, especially compared to written stories. In some
[11:03] Speaker 1: weird way, we're still in the story. The story is
[11:06] Speaker 1: still in us, and we're still in the story. We're
[11:08] Speaker 1: still participating. That's why those buttons get pushed so easily,
[11:12] Speaker 1: the stories we keep in the head. Those are the buttons. Oh,
[11:16] Speaker 1: the person's pushing my buttons. Yeah, well what are the
[11:19] Speaker 1: buttons that Stories that are written down. On the other hand,
[11:27] Speaker 1: it's now externalized, finite. There's the first word, there's the
[11:32] Speaker 1: end word. It's way more organized, and it's not moving.
[11:37] Speaker 1: It's still stories kept in the head are going super fast.
[11:40] Speaker 1: Good luck psychologically emotionally digesting that. It doesn't work that way.
[11:45] Speaker 1: That's why you can pull a story out from someone
[11:47] Speaker 1: that's been in there for thirty five years and they're
[11:50] Speaker 1: still as emotionally reactive to it once you get the
[11:53] Speaker 1: breath in there as the day that had happened. So
[11:56] Speaker 1: she step one titled it I repeat myself for a living.
[11:59] Speaker 1: Everybody titled it finding my brother wrote it out. Check
[12:04] Speaker 1: step two, she read the thing, and at the end
[12:10] Speaker 1: of reading it, I always ask those same three questions
[12:14] Speaker 1: that you saw earlier, heard earlier, what are you feeling tense? High?
[12:18] Speaker 1: Ones low? What number is what's the intensity? And then
[12:23] Speaker 1: where is it in your body? And she described this
[12:27] Speaker 1: block of ice pressure, icye pressure on her chest and
[12:34] Speaker 1: up into her neck and the side of her head,
[12:37] Speaker 1: which I find is interesting, by the way, I mean hanging.
[12:41] Speaker 1: Think about that, And I said great. And then step
[12:48] Speaker 1: three I had her read the same story thirty percent
[12:52] Speaker 1: slower than her normal rate of speech. So what happens, everybody,
[12:57] Speaker 1: pop quiz? What happens when someone slows down their rate
[13:00] Speaker 1: of speech? Super important concept. The breath loosens up. So
[13:06] Speaker 1: the faster the story goes, the tighter the breath is
[13:09] Speaker 1: in the chest. Good luck changing the good luck changing
[13:14] Speaker 1: your client's mindset, working on your mindset, the story you
[13:16] Speaker 1: tell yourself. When the breath is trapped in the chest,
[13:19] Speaker 1: that's the demonstration of attachment. And when we slow the
[13:22] Speaker 1: story down, the breath loosens up. And then step four
[13:28] Speaker 1: more rocket science, same story, same slow, smooth read and
[13:33] Speaker 1: at the end of each sentence, you do the unthinkable,
[13:37] Speaker 1: you do this. I didn't say this. I said this,
[13:55] Speaker 1: and what happens.
[13:57] Speaker 2: Storry to cut across you. But for those who are
[13:59] Speaker 2: listening on new audio only, Mark just took a really
[14:02] Speaker 2: deep breath in and then out because that if you
[14:07] Speaker 2: didn't already gather that, So just just kind of clarifying
[14:10] Speaker 2: that for people who aren't actually watching. So yeah, sorry,
[14:13] Speaker 2: didn't mean to carry Yeah, please can I ask one
[14:16] Speaker 2: quick question after she she'd read the story out and
[14:22] Speaker 2: you asked her the same questions. Was the intensity of
[14:25] Speaker 2: feeling still the same at eight or had that changed?
[14:29] Speaker 2: Or if you can remember.
[14:31] Speaker 1: In once she got to the slow read, so once
[14:36] Speaker 1: the usually the writing step one and two summons the thing,
[14:41] Speaker 1: and then step three and four releases the thing. Right,
[14:45] Speaker 1: thank you because the bread

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