# FKN Classics Double Feature! Karl Mollison - Alien Agenda | Ronny Dawson - ETs Gone Wild!

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 25 Jul 2026, 2 h 59 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Tonight,
[0:07] Speaker 1: my guest is Carl Mullison. He is a scientist, healer, channeler,
[0:11] Speaker 1: and founder of get wisdom dot com. Carl, Welcome, How
[0:16] Speaker 1: are you doing tonight?
[0:18] Speaker 2: Well, I'm doing fine so far. We'll see how we
[0:20] Speaker 2: end up at the end of this, but I'm optimistic.
[0:24] Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have some fun and some interesting
[0:28] Speaker 2: things to talk about. That's my prediction.
[0:31] Speaker 1: So yeah, I think your prediction is one hundred percent
[0:34] Speaker 1: spot on. We're gonna have a good time. I've definitely
[0:37] Speaker 1: been looking forward to speaking with you. Like I told
[0:40] Speaker 1: you earlier, I spoken with your colleague Dinny Hunt a
[0:43] Speaker 1: few times before he's been on the show. We've discussed
[0:47] Speaker 1: your work, the channeling that you've done, how you got
[0:51] Speaker 1: started with get Wisdom, and so many wonderful things, and
[0:55] Speaker 1: you have channeled so many amazing individuals and even ascended masters.
[1:02] Speaker 1: You know, to the normal person, whenever you start naming
[1:05] Speaker 1: some of the people that you've channeled, you know, I'm
[1:08] Speaker 1: sure that there's many many skeptics out there, but to
[1:12] Speaker 1: us in the community, who have you know, who understand
[1:16] Speaker 1: your work and are familiar with it. It is extremely fascinating,
[1:21] Speaker 1: and you have a very interesting background as well. I'd
[1:25] Speaker 1: like to kind of start there, since it's your first
[1:28] Speaker 1: time on the show, to get my audience a little
[1:30] Speaker 1: bit more familiar with yourself.
[1:31] Speaker 3: Could you tell us.
[1:32] Speaker 1: A little bit about what ultimately kind of just brought
[1:36] Speaker 1: you down the current path that you're on.
[1:39] Speaker 2: Sure, I'd be happy to try to explain myself and
[1:44] Speaker 2: perhaps alays some concerns and maybe elay some skepticism. One
[1:50] Speaker 2: never knows, but I fully understand it if you're skeptical,
[1:55] Speaker 2: and I honor that. In fact, I'm a skeptic and
[1:59] Speaker 2: I've always been. And the reason is it served me
[2:03] Speaker 2: because I was always intensely curious and wanted to find
[2:07] Speaker 2: out the truth about things. I was puzzled by many
[2:12] Speaker 2: things in life, and I would be struck by something
[2:16] Speaker 2: at times and pondered it and kind of had a
[2:21] Speaker 2: strong feeling of concern about it and wasn't satisfied by
[2:27] Speaker 2: what I was told as sort of like the trivial
[2:30] Speaker 2: conventional explanation. Now, looking back, I realized I was being guided,
[2:38] Speaker 2: whether I was doing it all myself or I was
[2:40] Speaker 2: getting a little priming by my higher self chiming in saying, hey,
[2:45] Speaker 2: you know, now that is interesting. Take a look at that.
[2:47] Speaker 2: What do you think about that? You know, don't drop
[2:50] Speaker 2: that so fast, think about it a little more. You know,
[2:53] Speaker 2: let's explore that together. You know, something like that going
[2:56] Speaker 2: on subliminally. But now I know, look back, there were
[3:00] Speaker 2: many times I was shown things. So my whole life
[3:05] Speaker 2: has been influenced by outside forces. And by the way,
[3:10] Speaker 2: this is true for everyone. You might not believe it,
[3:13] Speaker 2: but we're going to get into this and you're going
[3:15] Speaker 2: to see more and more and get more and more
[3:18] Speaker 2: examples of how that comes about. Some of it is good,
[3:21] Speaker 2: some of it is dreadfully bad. And this is the
[3:26] Speaker 2: world we're in. We're bombarded by energies and we're here
[3:30] Speaker 2: with lots of other beings. Some we can see, some
[3:33] Speaker 2: we can't. So I got my start from all that
[3:37] Speaker 2: curiosity as a research scientist. I wanted to help medicine.
[3:45] Speaker 2: That was my orientation. I had a lot of things
[3:48] Speaker 2: growing up that I witnessed, some experienced personally that fascinated
[3:52] Speaker 2: me and and bothered me, and I wanted to figure
[3:56] Speaker 2: things out. I wanted to know how to make things
[3:59] Speaker 2: better and do better than what I had observed along
[4:02] Speaker 2: the way growing up with medicine, and so I was
[4:06] Speaker 2: fascinated with science and nature and that really drew me.
[4:12] Speaker 2: And it was all materialistic in its basis, you know,
[4:18] Speaker 2: the conventional, hardcore scientific perspective about things. I was raised
[4:25] Speaker 2: in a religious family, but I wasn't always comfortable. I
[4:31] Speaker 2: didn't like the darkness of the Old Testament. I thought
[4:34] Speaker 2: this can't be true. It's contradictory. The Bible is a
[4:38] Speaker 2: big contradiction, and so I kind of put that to
[4:43] Speaker 2: one side and sort of tried to live my life
[4:46] Speaker 2: without it. And I became a hardcore scientist and I
[4:51] Speaker 2: believe what science teaches. And it was only later I
[4:55] Speaker 2: realized you're getting a lot of assumption, opinion, and a
[5:01] Speaker 2: distorted perspective along the way, depending on who's teaching you
[5:05] Speaker 2: and what they think in their particular biases and the
[5:12] Speaker 2: issues that involve them and their particular interests. There's a
[5:18] Speaker 2: lot of personal bias and science what gets study, what
[5:22] Speaker 2: gets reported, and there's an overlay of manipulation as well,
[5:26] Speaker 2: and we'll get to that. So when I retired from
[5:33] Speaker 2: that career after about thirty years, and I'd done a
[5:37] Speaker 2: lot of science I've worked on many therapeutic areas and
[5:41] Speaker 2: was involved in a lot of research. I have over
[5:44] Speaker 2: one hundred publications of full length manuscripts and peer reviewed
[5:51] Speaker 2: journal articles, as well as abstracts from many many scientific
[5:56] Speaker 2: meetings I've attended, and I have a half a dozen
[6:00] Speaker 2: US patents for drugs and medical devices. So I made
[6:04] Speaker 2: some contributions and I learned what the process is and
[6:10] Speaker 2: how it's conducted. And that served me very nicely to
[6:14] Speaker 2: better understand medicine, because if you think of medicine as
[6:19] Speaker 2: being drugs and medicines, right, I know where they come
[6:23] Speaker 2: from and what that's based on, and some of the
[6:26] Speaker 2: motivations find it, the limitations and so on. And when
[6:32] Speaker 2: I retired from that career finally, that was around two thousand,
[6:36] Speaker 2: the year two thousand, I retired young, and I was
[6:40] Speaker 2: free to explore things that were interesting to me that
[6:47] Speaker 2: I hadn't been able to do in that setting. And
[6:50] Speaker 2: one of the big areas that I felt was underserved
[6:54] Speaker 2: and front with lots of complications and very unlikely to
[7:01] Speaker 2: have a medicinal approach be fruitful was that of problems
[7:07] Speaker 2: with emotion, emotional health and mental illness, as well as
[7:14] Speaker 2: the extreme end of the spectrum, and so I was
[7:17] Speaker 2: always interested in the mind. I grew up in a
[7:20] Speaker 2: family of people who wanted to help those in trouble.
[7:24] Speaker 2: My father was a minister. He was always helping people
[7:27] Speaker 2: who were disturbed and troubled, and families would have their
[7:31] Speaker 2: story someone having a metal breakdown or something. And my
[7:37] Speaker 2: parents actually worked for the world's most famous psychiatrists during
[7:42] Speaker 2: the nineteen hundreds, Carl Meninger, who was very forward looking,
[7:46] Speaker 2: and I was actually named after Carl Meninger, that Carl
[7:51] Speaker 2: with a K in my name, and so it was
[7:53] Speaker 2: kind of like I grew up with these stories that
[7:55] Speaker 2: they would tell me. They were doing all kinds of
[7:58] Speaker 2: innovative things attempt to help people who were disturbed, and
[8:03] Speaker 2: by and large didn't get very far with it, but
[8:05] Speaker 2: they were trying. They were on the frontier, and this
[8:08] Speaker 2: was actually starting before there were actually drugs available you
[8:12] Speaker 2: could use for people like this. So when I retired,
[8:16] Speaker 2: I was still interested in the mind, and I was
[8:19] Speaker 2: fascinated with the possibility of using hypnosis as a more
[8:24] Speaker 2: powerful tool to get into the subconscious layer and help
[8:29] Speaker 2: people that way, because I could see very few people
[8:32] Speaker 2: were doing it, but those who were I thought were
[8:35] Speaker 2: making in roums, And by and large it was not
[8:39] Speaker 2: the clinical psychologists. It was the kind of self taught
[8:48] Speaker 2: or a separate school of hypnotists doing this work. And
[8:56] Speaker 2: I thought that was odd, but I was open, and
[9:01] Speaker 2: I think people who are passionate and intelligent can do
[9:04] Speaker 2: anything if they have the resources and the time and energy.
[9:09] Speaker 2: So I went and learned from some of those people
[9:12] Speaker 2: and became ultimately a board certified consulting hypnotists from the
[9:18] Speaker 2: National Guild of Hypnotists. It's a large body of practitioners
[9:23] Speaker 2: who help people with all kinds of things using hypnosis,
[9:27] Speaker 2: you know, kind of hypnotherapy approach, and that led me
[9:32] Speaker 2: and was fascinating to me as well to the paranormal,
[9:38] Speaker 2: because hypnosis is a way to tap into things the
[9:43] Speaker 2: deep inner part of the mind knows better than the
[9:46] Speaker 2: conscious self, and that includes sometimes and inner awareness one
[9:53] Speaker 2: has had other lives, So as you probably know, there
[9:58] Speaker 2: are people out there, including some psychologists and psychiatrists, who
[10:03] Speaker 2: use hypnotherapy for past life regression, and so I found
[10:09] Speaker 2: that utterly fascinating and I was skeptical at first, as
[10:13] Speaker 2: I always am, and I came to find out that
[10:17] Speaker 2: phenomenon is real. It looked real to me, and I
[10:23] Speaker 2: had personal experiences with it. That's the best way to
[10:26] Speaker 2: learn about something is do it personally. It's a great teacher,
[10:30] Speaker 2: the best one probably, And that started to change me.
[10:36] Speaker 2: For one thing. If you believe science and evolution that
[10:40] Speaker 2: it all started from some primordial owse and evolved over time,
[10:44] Speaker 2: how do you evolve the ability to die go somewhere
[10:50] Speaker 2: else and then come back again as an infant? You know,
[10:54] Speaker 2: how does that evolve? I mean, that's a pretty big leap.
[10:58] Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing to go from you know,
[11:01] Speaker 2: a fish to maybe something that's an amphibian, you know,
[11:06] Speaker 2: comes out on the land a little bit, you know,
[11:08] Speaker 2: walks on its fins, and then they evolve into more
[11:12] Speaker 2: land worthy appendages and so on. So I started to
[11:17] Speaker 2: open up to the idea there's something really big and
[11:20] Speaker 2: massive about there, and I had to start facing the
[11:24] Speaker 2: fact maybe it's the divine, you know, maybe this is
[11:28] Speaker 2: the paradigm that we have a soul that we come
[11:31] Speaker 2: and go from the light, as people have talked about forever,
[11:34] Speaker 2: you know, in terms of the scriptures and so on,
[11:37] Speaker 2: being pretty pretty old historically, not the oldest of things recorded.
[11:43] Speaker 2: But this is not a new idea and there's lots
[11:47] Speaker 2: of evidence for it. As it turns out, as I
[11:50] Speaker 2: went back and started looking from my adult perspective more
[11:53] Speaker 2: critically so with hypnosis, that led me to learn some
[12:01] Speaker 2: powerful techniques for resolving trauma events for people, taking them
[12:08] Speaker 2: into a meditative state and helping them connect with the
[12:12] Speaker 2: things they were restoring in the body and reframing it
[12:15] Speaker 2: and using a kind of energetic self healing. That turns
[12:19] Speaker 2: out to be really powerful, and it's helped many people
[12:23] Speaker 2: with serious emotional problems like PTSD to resolve their difficulties
[12:28] Speaker 2: and so on. And I found that tremendously gratifying, and
[12:32] Speaker 2: it helped me in taking the training. I fixed problems
[12:36] Speaker 2: in myself using that technique on the spot. Immediately, things
[12:41] Speaker 2: I've been doing all my life just stopped. So this
[12:47] Speaker 2: led me further to think about that deep part of
[12:51] Speaker 2: the mind. And along the way, one of the odd
[12:56] Speaker 2: things I was privy to was I had a call
[13:00] Speaker 2: league who used to work on people to do remote
[13:04] Speaker 2: spirit releasement. So what is that This is someone who
[13:10] Speaker 2: has a spirit possession affecting their mind and this process
[13:16] Speaker 2: removes it, and so I thought, okay, all right, here
[13:21] Speaker 2: we go skeptical. You know, I wasn't ready to believe this.
[13:29] Speaker 2: And the only exposure to it was I had a
[13:34] Speaker 2: hypnosis conference I was at and I was giving a talk,
[13:37] Speaker 2: and I went in a few minutes before my talk
[13:40] Speaker 2: was to begin, and here was this fellow trying to
[13:44] Speaker 2: talk down this woman he had worked on in his
[13:47] Speaker 2: talk who had a spirit possessing her, and he was
[13:52] Speaker 2: working on it right then and there, and she was
[13:56] Speaker 2: in tears and it was really dramatic. So that intrigued
[14:01] Speaker 2: me a little further. And he finally announced he was
[14:05] Speaker 2: going to give a workshop and teach people how to
[14:07] Speaker 2: do this. So I figured, all right, I'll pay the money.
[14:11] Speaker 2: I'll go two weekends in a row. Let him teach
[14:14] Speaker 2: me this thing, and let me see for myself. Can
[14:17] Speaker 2: I do this?
[14:17] Speaker 1: You know?
[14:18] Speaker 2: Can I see something that convinces me this is even real? Boy?
[14:24] Speaker 2: Was I surprised? This was totally real? And to my
[14:31] Speaker 2: great shock, I learned that when I was hypnotized and
[14:37] Speaker 2: put in a kind of a transtate, not a super
[14:40] Speaker 2: deep transtate, but just a bit of a a hypnotic transtate,
[14:46] Speaker 2: I could tune into someone remotely from a distance, scan
[14:51] Speaker 2: them and see if they had dark spirit attachments in them.
[14:58] Speaker 2: This was just from a set of simple structions, and
[15:02] Speaker 2: what it was doing was allowing me to use my intuition. Now,
[15:08] Speaker 2: I always thought I had a good nose for things
[15:10] Speaker 2: and you know, some curiosity, and I had a good
[15:14] Speaker 2: track record of figuring things out, kind of having a
[15:17] Speaker 2: hunch about how something worked, and then I would do
[15:20] Speaker 2: the right experiments and often get a validation that I
[15:23] Speaker 2: was correct. You know, I had a kind of investigators
[15:27] Speaker 2: makeup for doing, you know, kind of a scholarly search
[15:31] Speaker 2: for truth about things. But I didn't think it was intuition,
[15:36] Speaker 2: you know, largely that I was able to get information
[15:39] Speaker 2: and real information from somewhere else and kind of have
[15:44] Speaker 2: an inner knowing that is what was going on. So anyway, iPhone,
[15:49] Speaker 2: I could not only scan and see a spirit in someone,
[15:54] Speaker 2: I could channel it. And that was what this guy
[15:58] Speaker 2: was teaching. He would work with his wife and he
[16:02] Speaker 2: did this for like twenty years, who was a psychic.
[16:05] Speaker 2: He hypnotized her. She would connect to the subject, channel
[16:10] Speaker 2: the spirits, the darkest of the spirits in that person,
[16:14] Speaker 2: and then he would talk to the spirit and convince
[16:17] Speaker 2: it to go to the light. Sounds pretty wacky, right,
[16:22] Speaker 2: you know, people don't even believe in ghost and I'm
[16:24] Speaker 2: talking about spirit possession. You know, this is like the
[16:27] Speaker 2: omen and what's that one the movie about the kid
[16:33] Speaker 2: who's possessed, you know, spinning around the ad and spinning
[16:37] Speaker 2: up and all this stuff that the exercis, yes, thank you.
[16:41] Speaker 2: So it's not usually that dramatic. If you do it right,
[16:45] Speaker 2: you don't have to get involved in the emotion of
[16:47] Speaker 2: the client the host. You need to deal with the spirit.
[16:51] Speaker 2: So this convinced me this phenomenon is real, and I
[16:54] Speaker 2: started doing a process like this and helping people, actually
[16:58] Speaker 2: helping people. I was shocked by this. And at that
[17:04] Speaker 2: very first conference, I was thinking at the time about
[17:08] Speaker 2: this fellow who shot the Arizona Congresswoman Gabby Gifford, and
[17:14] Speaker 2: he was in jail at the time. He was on
[17:16] Speaker 2: the cover of Time magazine, very forbidding looking picture with
[17:20] Speaker 2: him in red. You know, he looked him on it.
[17:24] Speaker 2: And so I suggested, you know, to the instructor at
[17:27] Speaker 2: the end of this thing, let's can we have somebody
[17:32] Speaker 2: do a session on this. Jared Loughner in his prison
[17:36] Speaker 2: cell and maybe we can depossess him and help him
[17:39] Speaker 2: recover somewhat from what drove him to do this. And
[17:46] Speaker 2: so someone raised their hand and said, well, I think
[17:48] Speaker 2: Carl ought to do that. So I got up in
[17:50] Speaker 2: front of the class and I connected to this dark
[17:55] Speaker 2: spirit dfl and talked to it, and it was so amazing.
[18:01] Speaker 2: I just can't tell you. I mean, when you'd come
[18:03] Speaker 2: from a place of disbelief about something like that and
[18:06] Speaker 2: then suddenly you're in the middle of it and you're
[18:08] Speaker 2: doing it, it's a shock to the system. But it
[18:12] Speaker 2: was a convincer. And not only did I feel that
[18:16] Speaker 2: this was authentic and real, I learned things that were
[18:20] Speaker 2: unexpected and actually clues that proved to be true that
[18:24] Speaker 2: I figured out later on along the way. The fellow
[18:30] Speaker 2: running the class asked this dark spirit in Lafner, why
[18:37] Speaker 2: did you do this? Why did you try to get
[18:41] Speaker 2: him to kill those people? And the spirit said they
[18:52] Speaker 2: wanted someone killed and it wasn't her, It was a judge. Okay,
[19:02] Speaker 2: he didn't pursue it any further. His curiosity wasn't aroused
[19:06] Speaker 2: too much by that, but mine was. Now, this is
[19:11] Speaker 2: something I could not have known. I mean, no one
[19:13] Speaker 2: you know has talked about this or thought about it.
[19:16] Speaker 2: There were a number of people killed that day, one
[19:18] Speaker 2: of them was a judge and then this congresswoman. So
[19:24] Speaker 2: I'd learned more about that later on, but this was
[19:26] Speaker 2: a clue because since that time, I've learned that these
[19:31] Speaker 2: dark spirits are ubiquitous. There's hordes of them. They possess
[19:38] Speaker 2: around ninety percent of people, and depending on the vulnerability
[19:42] Speaker 2: of the person, they get them to do all kinds
[19:44] Speaker 2: of things. And the attention is to stir them up,
[19:50] Speaker 2: get them emotionally wrought, interfere with their lives, make them
[19:55] Speaker 2: do dumb things, to get in trouble or to make
[19:59] Speaker 2: misay and then have a backlash against them. And so
[20:04] Speaker 2: they're unhappy because they want that dark emotional energy for themselves.
[20:11] Speaker 2: They're an energy vampire, if you will.
[20:13] Speaker 1: They just feed off I'd like they feed.
[20:16] Speaker 2: Off of our energy. And so to complete this cycle,
[20:23] Speaker 2: just as the intro, I went from that to working
[20:27] Speaker 2: on people myself to remove the spirits from them, and
[20:33] Speaker 2: I got quite a further education. I mean, you cannot
[20:35] Speaker 2: imagine unless you do this, the things you might run into.
[20:41] Speaker 2: I had a woman call me on the phone who
[20:45] Speaker 2: said that she has this darkness around her and it
[20:48] Speaker 2: talks to her, and she's really upset and she needs
[20:54] Speaker 2: somebody to help her because nobody can help. She said,
[20:56] Speaker 2: I've talked to the doctors. They can't do anything about this.
[20:59] Speaker 2: They want me on drug that doesn't help. I've tried it,
[21:03] Speaker 2: but I have an archangel friend who helps me too.
[21:07] Speaker 2: And I said, oh, that's interesting. What does the archangel
[21:11] Speaker 2: tell you, Well, right now he's telling me I need
[21:16] Speaker 2: to set myself on fire. Okay, So anyone could make
[21:24] Speaker 2: a conclusion at this point this was a was not
[21:27] Speaker 2: an archangel. Being a bit spiritual now myself, I can
[21:32] Speaker 2: speak with authority. Archangels don't tell people to immolate themselves.
[21:37] Speaker 2: They just don't do that.
[21:39] Speaker 3: Right.
[21:39] Speaker 2: Number two, the mainstream person, the medical establishment certainly would
[21:46] Speaker 2: say this person is delusional. You know, they might not
[21:52] Speaker 2: know exactly what to diagnose the person as, but there
[21:57] Speaker 2: would be a label eventually applied, schizophrenia or some thing,
[22:00] Speaker 2: some psychotic break, you know, some disorder. Well, I did
[22:06] Speaker 2: a remote spirit releasement and I found lots of dark
[22:09] Speaker 2: spirits in her which I removed, and there was also
[22:12] Speaker 2: a human spirit, an earthbound human spirit attached to her,
[22:17] Speaker 2: and I talked with it, and here's one of the
[22:22] Speaker 2: things he told me. This is the spirit of a
[22:30] Speaker 2: man who was an arsonist when he was in the living,
[22:37] Speaker 2: he died, he became earthbound, found his way to my
[22:41] Speaker 2: client and attached to her. And this is what about
[22:45] Speaker 2: a third of people who die end up being an
[22:49] Speaker 2: earthbound spirit. So this is the reason she had this preoccupation.
[22:56] Speaker 2: And she would talk to this. She thought it was
[22:58] Speaker 2: an archangel. It was a spirit of a troubled human
[23:03] Speaker 2: that had died in state earthbound and was now in
[23:07] Speaker 2: her energy as well and giving her bad ideas because
[23:12] Speaker 2: it's disturbed. This is a disturbed individual, someone who is
[23:16] Speaker 2: an arsonist like that, and he was literally trying to
[23:20] Speaker 2: get her to set herself on fire. This is the
[23:23] Speaker 2: kind of thinking someone like that has. It gives them enjoyment,
[23:28] Speaker 2: you know, is a fixation it's on. So this is
[23:32] Speaker 2: what we're dealing with. We have the potential to pick
[23:37] Speaker 2: these spirits up, and it's a it's a road hazard.
[23:40] Speaker 2: It causes a lot of problems with people not completing
[23:47] Speaker 2: their education. Their spirit possession is responsible for about seventy
[23:53] Speaker 2: five percent of divorces because they interfere with relationships. They
[24:00] Speaker 2: get people into all kinds of compromising situations by fanning
[24:04] Speaker 2: the flames of maybe an impulse that's not so good
[24:08] Speaker 2: for them, but you know, maybe having an affair, taking
[24:12] Speaker 2: advantage of somewhat overstepping the bounds and breaking the law.
[24:18] Speaker 2: They do things like causing accidents to happen.
[24:25] Speaker 1: Now, would you say that most of these spirits are
[24:28] Speaker 1: discarnate human spirits or can it be something else other
[24:32] Speaker 1: than of human origin?
[24:35] Speaker 2: Most of these spirits that are dark are fallen angelic beings.
[24:42] Speaker 2: There's many, many more of them than there are lost
[24:45] Speaker 2: soul human spirits. I don't have precise numbers. The divine
[24:52] Speaker 2: won't tell me, probably because the number is so huge.
[24:58] Speaker 2: They're a problems for the entire Milky Way galaxy. But
[25:02] Speaker 2: they are the source of evil. So wherever you find evil,
[25:06] Speaker 2: whether it's in your neighbor, a politician and the party
[25:12] Speaker 2: you don't like, or whoever it might be, who's taking
[25:16] Speaker 2: advantage of people, maybe crooked in some way or just
[25:23] Speaker 2: out of bounds in the way they live their lives
[25:26] Speaker 2: and hurt other people. The narcissists, the sociopaths at the extreme,
[25:33] Speaker 2: but those who are selfish and just self interested and
[25:38] Speaker 2: not inclined to be nice and break rules and try
[25:42] Speaker 2: to get the advantage of others and so on. And
[25:46] Speaker 2: that corruption comes from somewhere. We blame humanity. We think
[25:52] Speaker 2: humans are defective, they're flawed. You know, the evidence is abundant.
[25:56] Speaker 2: Any day of the week, you look at the news
[25:59] Speaker 2: and you'll see exact samples of depravity and delusional kinds
[26:03] Speaker 2: of thinking. If not a real mentally disturbed person, but
[26:09] Speaker 2: you know, false distorted thinking that most people wouldn't agree with.
[26:15] Speaker 2: And that comes from corruption by dark spirits. All of
[26:21] Speaker 2: the evil comes from them. It starts from them. But
[26:25] Speaker 2: of course those who are corrupted add to the problem.
[26:29] Speaker 2: There's many corrupted people. As I was saying, not all
[26:32] Speaker 2: are influenced to such an extent. Some are kind of immune.
[26:37] Speaker 2: They don't seem to be listening to whatever the dark
[26:41] Speaker 2: spirits are telling them. There's too strong, they're too self contained,
[26:46] Speaker 2: have strong will and so on, and they can soldier
[26:51] Speaker 2: on and do okay in life, but many people are trouble.
[26:56] Speaker 2: Now round this picture out one more step. In the
[27:04] Speaker 2: course of helping people with this process, I started removing
[27:08] Speaker 2: spirits and doing a little bit of karmic repair, mainly
[27:11] Speaker 2: for past traumas. Those things I knew represent a karmic
[27:18] Speaker 2: wound of some sort, I would actively work to change that,
[27:25] Speaker 2: and along the way I learned a lot more about
[27:29] Speaker 2: this from the divine realm. I started channeling archangels because
[27:37] Speaker 2: I wanted to learn more about the details and how
[27:39] Speaker 2: things work, and I wasn't going to get that from
[27:41] Speaker 2: these dark spirits. So I wanted to talk to a
[27:45] Speaker 2: higher authority, and I started doing that and worked on
[27:48] Speaker 2: this protocol to refine it and refine it and refine it,
[27:51] Speaker 2: and added more bells and whistles as I learned more
[27:55] Speaker 2: about the phenomenology and probed into where problems come from
[28:00] Speaker 2: and what is going on mechanistically. So I was using
[28:03] Speaker 2: my scientific background to look at it at that level
[28:08] Speaker 2: of detail as best I could form questions. And one
[28:14] Speaker 2: of the things I stumbled on in looking at people
[28:18] Speaker 2: was there something in them they didn't belong And I
[28:20] Speaker 2: learned that it was an alien implant. Fully, five percent
[28:27] Speaker 2: of human beings get an alien implant at some point.
[28:34] Speaker 2: For that to happen, they're abducted, they're taking aboard a craft,
[28:40] Speaker 2: and an implant is put within them of the kind
[28:45] Speaker 2: I was looking at, and so I had to face
[28:50] Speaker 2: what this meant? What are the implications? I had clients
[28:53] Speaker 2: who were coming to me to help their lives, and
[28:57] Speaker 2: when I found they had an alien implant? What am
[28:59] Speaker 2: I going to do now? What does it mean? What
[29:02] Speaker 2: are the implications for them? I didn't know. I mean,
[29:05] Speaker 2: I'd read books by claimed abductees talking about their lives
[29:11] Speaker 2: and the recollections they had about being taken and things
[29:16] Speaker 2: done to them, manipulated with medical procedures, that kind of thing,
[29:20] Speaker 2: and I was prepared to believe that. Because I had
[29:23] Speaker 2: seen a ufo as a young man, I knew it
[29:26] Speaker 2: was real. And that was one of the blessings of
[29:29] Speaker 2: my kind of guidance because it happened under very unusual
[29:34] Speaker 2: circumstances where I found myself going out my front door
[29:39] Speaker 2: at about two o'clock in the morning and there was
[29:43] Speaker 2: a giant UFO going across in front of me. So
[29:47] Speaker 2: it was my guidance. They impulsed me to step outside,
[29:53] Speaker 2: and so I had that opportunity. So I couldn't discount
[29:56] Speaker 2: when people said I was aboard a ufo because I
[30:00] Speaker 2: saw this spectacular thing. It was unmistakable it made a
[30:04] Speaker 2: right angle turn, shot up into the heavens, and was
[30:06] Speaker 2: gone in about three seconds into a perfectly clear night
[30:11] Speaker 2: and boom. You know, no sound, but it chilled me
[30:19] Speaker 2: to the bone to witness it. My hair stood on it.
[30:23] Speaker 2: I mean, I knew that there's something really strange about this.
[30:28] Speaker 2: So all these pieces came together with me figuring out
[30:32] Speaker 2: more and more and more about how it all fits.
[30:36] Speaker 2: So I knew from that there's an et issue. I
[30:42] Speaker 2: couldn't get myself to believe that something of that magnitude
[30:47] Speaker 2: is being done for good purposes if no one's talking
[30:54] Speaker 2: about it. There's been no permission obtained to go and
[30:57] Speaker 2: take people in the night, even little children, and manipulate them,
[31:02] Speaker 2: do something to their bodies. What's with that? We would
[31:07] Speaker 2: never allow that being done by humans. Why would we
[31:11] Speaker 2: allow that being done by some extraterrestrial beings we don't
[31:14] Speaker 2: really know, based on maybe a promise that they're here
[31:18] Speaker 2: to help, or whatever they might say to our government.
[31:22] Speaker 2: There's something deeply wrong with that picture. So I've had
[31:27] Speaker 2: to come back to that again and again and again
[31:29] Speaker 2: as I've worked with people, because I've found many people
[31:32] Speaker 2: are heavily manipulated by the extraterrestrials, and it's a huge
[31:37] Speaker 2: problem in their lives, and not only that, they're manipulating
[31:42] Speaker 2: the entirety of humanity on every level that matters, every
[31:49] Speaker 2: level that matters. And so there's a lot I can
[31:54] Speaker 2: say about this, but it's sinister. It's sinister entirely. I
[31:58] Speaker 2: hate to be telling you these things, but my mission
[32:02] Speaker 2: as a part of the Get Wisdom agenda is to
[32:08] Speaker 2: save and heal humanity. So I have the information so
[32:14] Speaker 2: you'll know what the problems are. And I have the
[32:16] Speaker 2: tools now to offer in both empowered prayer and this
[32:22] Speaker 2: Light Worker healing protocol that I've cobbled together over years
[32:25] Speaker 2: now adding more and more to and to its power.
[32:29] Speaker 2: And I can talk a lot about that as well,
[32:31] Speaker 2: and why that is a premiere healing tool. Yeah. I'm
[32:36] Speaker 2: told we need to be doing this or we're going
[32:39] Speaker 2: to be in real trouble in a few short years now.
[32:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think it's really important that you're
[32:46] Speaker 1: talking about this information now because especially because of everything
[32:50] Speaker 1: that's coming out in the mainstream, We've got, you know,
[32:54] Speaker 1: celebrities channeling aliens, all kinds of craziness that's just been
[32:58] Speaker 1: popping up in our our mainstream collective consciousness over the
[33:02] Speaker 1: past few years because of what they're seemingly intentionally putting out.
[33:07] Speaker 1: You know, you have mixed messages coming from our own
[33:10] Speaker 1: government about UFOs, from our own media. We had this
[33:15] Speaker 1: UAP report come out the other day, so they're obviously
[33:18] Speaker 1: wanting to put this in the human consciousness that aliens exist,
[33:23] Speaker 1: and it's becoming a rather large thing.
[33:27] Speaker 2: You know.
[33:28] Speaker 1: I don't think it's getting the reaction that's expected from it.
[33:34] Speaker 1: I think that more people are kind of ready to
[33:36] Speaker 1: learn that we're not alone than than than originally thought.
[33:40] Speaker 1: But that's just my opinion. But you're right. I think
[33:43] Speaker 1: there is nefarious agendas that play. There's a bunch of
[33:47] Speaker 1: I guess you could say, different infighting factions when it
[33:50] Speaker 1: comes to ufology in general. Even in our own community,
[33:53] Speaker 1: we have people that are spreading disinformation. I think that
[33:56] Speaker 1: there are people intentionally planted in this unity to spread
[34:00] Speaker 1: disinformation and the misinformation. Yes, so we're in confusing times
[34:06] Speaker 1: or in fascinating times. I'd like to know what's really
[34:11] Speaker 1: going on behind this are at least as much as
[34:14] Speaker 1: you've come to understand through your channeling through the extraterrestrial
[34:21] Speaker 1: sources that you've actually made contact with. And I guess
[34:26] Speaker 1: as far as we can go from there.
[34:29] Speaker 2: All right, Well, do the best that I can. And
[34:32] Speaker 2: I realized this is quite a leap for most people,
[34:37] Speaker 2: and even people who think of themselves as kind of savvy.
[34:40] Speaker 2: They've read a lot of books, they watch a lot
[34:42] Speaker 2: of things on the internet, they follow certain people and
[34:46] Speaker 2: certain websites that probe these things and feel their inform
[34:54] Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you it's very likely that much
[34:58] Speaker 2: of what you've learned is false information that's being used
[35:03] Speaker 2: for this big manipulation. So here's kind of the problem
[35:10] Speaker 2: in a nutshell. Extraterrestrials came to the Earth millions and
[35:16] Speaker 2: millions of years ago. They've been present all through the
[35:22] Speaker 2: existence of humanity on the planet, except for a very
[35:26] Speaker 2: short period at the very beginning when humans were first installed,
[35:33] Speaker 2: after the Earth was configured to be what Creator calls
[35:37] Speaker 2: a loving nest. And they've been here ever since to
[35:41] Speaker 2: enslave us, to manipulate and downgrade us. And they have
[35:50] Speaker 2: been here working behind the scenes, using us as playthings,
[35:57] Speaker 2: just to have fun. It's like a video game, except
[36:00] Speaker 2: you're using real, live, sentient beings you manipulate through mind control,
[36:06] Speaker 2: get them to do goofy things against their own interests,
[36:10] Speaker 2: and then you can laugh at them and see how
[36:12] Speaker 2: you do, how successful you are, and you can maybe
[36:16] Speaker 2: have them go to war with one another, and you know,
[36:19] Speaker 2: your buddy takes one side, you take the other side.
[36:23] Speaker 2: You know, I'll be the Western nations, you can have
[36:26] Speaker 2: the Eastern nations, and we'll do a world war. Won't
[36:28] Speaker 2: that be fun? I'll bet I can beat you, you know,
[36:32] Speaker 2: with my with my tanks and my Blitzkreek strategies or
[36:37] Speaker 2: whatever it might be. This is what's happening. It sounds preposterous,
[36:42] Speaker 2: but if you're an extraterrestrial being who's been there and
[36:45] Speaker 2: done it, seen it all, you have a civilization that's
[36:49] Speaker 2: almost five billion years old, and you have been so
[36:54] Speaker 2: corrupted by spirit detachments that you're now all uniformly coeopaths.
[37:02] Speaker 2: You're part of a culture that cannot love, has no
[37:06] Speaker 2: compassion even for their own kind. They live through power
[37:11] Speaker 2: and forepower. That's all they have, and the only thing
[37:15] Speaker 2: that gives them happiness and enjoyment is holding power over others,
[37:21] Speaker 2: fighting to keep it or jostling for position to take
[37:26] Speaker 2: it away from someone else. So they live in a
[37:29] Speaker 2: very tough world that's doggy dog, and they prey on
[37:35] Speaker 2: other worlds. Many civilizations have been annihilated by these these beings.
[37:43] Speaker 2: I'm talking first of all about the Ananaki. They are
[37:47] Speaker 2: the oldest of these corrupt extraterrestrials that are messing with us,
[37:53] Speaker 2: and so everything has flowed from there. They're in our realm.
[37:59] Speaker 2: They have outposts. There are some beings present in very
[38:03] Speaker 2: large numbers. There are three races of extraterrestrials in an alliance,
[38:11] Speaker 2: and they tolerate one another and help this kind of enterprise.
[38:17] Speaker 2: And in addition, one of those races, the Arcturians developed,
[38:23] Speaker 2: the alien Grays. These are the most familiar et because
[38:27] Speaker 2: they're the most ubiquitous, and there's a zillion in these
[38:31] Speaker 2: robotic beings. They're not like us. They're not soul based beings.
[38:36] Speaker 2: They're an artificial intelligence, and they're pretty intelligent at this
[38:42] Speaker 2: point enough so they want to have some human characteristics.
[38:49] Speaker 2: They've taken this up as a quest, and they were
[38:54] Speaker 2: indulged by their Arcturian masters to let them abduct humans
[38:59] Speaker 2: and experiment on us, do genetic modification to see what
[39:03] Speaker 2: will happen, learn from it, and they have developed an
[39:07] Speaker 2: actual hybrid being that's based on their own DNA. These robots,
[39:15] Speaker 2: they're a DNA based technology without the soul connection, and
[39:24] Speaker 2: they mate with humans and incorporate human DNA into a hybrid.
[39:30] Speaker 2: They've been working on this for thousands of years now,
[39:33] Speaker 2: and they've got hybrids that are pretty sophisticated who can
[39:38] Speaker 2: pass for human now, and that's their goal, and they
[39:43] Speaker 2: want to eventually have the planet for themselves, but first
[39:48] Speaker 2: they want to learn how to reincarnate like we do.
[39:53] Speaker 2: They're smart enough to know there's something we can do
[39:56] Speaker 2: that they can't. When they wear out, break down, whatever,
[40:01] Speaker 2: that's it, they're sent to the trash heap. And you know,
[40:06] Speaker 2: there's many more that can be built on command and so.
[40:12] Speaker 2: But as an individual entity, they know they will perish
[40:17] Speaker 2: one day forever we do not. They're jealous. They want
[40:22] Speaker 2: that for themselves, and so they want to keep studying us.
[40:28] Speaker 2: But they're the only ones at this point who want
[40:31] Speaker 2: us still around. This is a very dangerous turn of events,
[40:36] Speaker 2: and it happened within this last century and mostly within
[40:40] Speaker 2: the last decades. They've decided they want to be done
[40:44] Speaker 2: with this mess. They're tired of hurting these troubled humans,
[40:49] Speaker 2: these troubling humans around because we're so independent minded and
[40:55] Speaker 2: we send to work their efforts in some mysterious way.
[41:00] Speaker 2: They think it's our mind somehow, our consciousness has a capability.
[41:05] Speaker 2: When we get together in groups, we can have a
[41:09] Speaker 2: certain power, and they're tired of trying to overcome that,
[41:14] Speaker 2: figure it out and whatnot. They don't realize what that
[41:18] Speaker 2: really is is the divine realm backstopping us that we're
[41:24] Speaker 2: calling on through prayer largely. And so the problem with
[41:31] Speaker 2: their decision that they want to be done with us
[41:34] Speaker 2: is as a parting shot, they're prepared to annihilate everyone
[41:39] Speaker 2: living and the race be done totally. And that's related
[41:45] Speaker 2: to happen within the next five years. So it gives
[41:50] Speaker 2: me no pleasure relaying this. This is probably the worst
[41:55] Speaker 2: thing you will ever hear, and now it's because of me.
[42:00] Speaker 2: So I'm very sorry that we're in this mess. But
[42:04] Speaker 2: I didn't create it. I'm only the reporter. I stumbled
[42:09] Speaker 2: on this and probed into it at length, and it
[42:13] Speaker 2: took me years to learn this from the divine They
[42:17] Speaker 2: wanted me to be close to the answer before They
[42:21] Speaker 2: really came forthright in spelling this out and the implications.
[42:28] Speaker 1: Now, I think one thing that we should address for
[42:30] Speaker 1: the audience is when you say you're channeling the divine,
[42:34] Speaker 1: and I guess you know you're you're referring to source
[42:37] Speaker 1: or some people call it God. How did you know
[42:41] Speaker 1: one hundred percent that that is what you were channeling
[42:45] Speaker 1: and that you were not being deceived.
[42:49] Speaker 2: That is a very difficult question to answer. It took
[42:53] Speaker 2: me years of skepticism and doubt to reach this level
[42:58] Speaker 2: because every step along the way, as I had doubt,
[43:03] Speaker 2: there would be little bit less that I would get
[43:06] Speaker 2: from them in the way of corroboration confirmation. Why they
[43:11] Speaker 2: have to follow human intention. It's one of the rules
[43:15] Speaker 2: of engagement. When the divine is dealing with humanity, we're
[43:19] Speaker 2: in charge. We're in charge of the world. If he
[43:21] Speaker 2: hadn't noticed, or we think we are. God isn't running it.
[43:27] Speaker 2: It's humans and they're being manipulated in many ways to
[43:31] Speaker 2: degrade the performance and make it worse. But God is watching,
[43:37] Speaker 2: God is listening. God is within all of us and
[43:40] Speaker 2: available to us. But we have to ask. We also
[43:44] Speaker 2: have to believe in God one percent. That's not easy
[43:49] Speaker 2: for most people. We also have to believe in ourselves
[43:52] Speaker 2: one hundred percent that we're worthy of divine support. It
[43:57] Speaker 2: was easier for me to start out at the level
[44:00] Speaker 2: love an archangel. I never had the idea of channeling God.
[44:07] Speaker 2: It just seemed too wildly improbable and impossible because we've
[44:11] Speaker 2: been told this. You know, you can't get near God.
[44:14] Speaker 2: You know, the energy is to big. It would likely
[44:17] Speaker 2: kill you outright if you were in God's presence. You
[44:19] Speaker 2: couldn't handle it if you try to deal with it directly.
[44:23] Speaker 2: You know, this is some of the propaganda that's been done.
[44:27] Speaker 2: It turns out God is gentle and loving in dealing
[44:32] Speaker 2: with us and interacting with us and helps us all
[44:36] Speaker 2: the time, even little children and infants in a very
[44:40] Speaker 2: nurturing and caring way. That shouldn't be so shocking to people.
[44:46] Speaker 2: But this is an example of the disinformation that's gotten
[44:49] Speaker 2: into religion. You know, like God is judgmental, God is jealous.
[44:54] Speaker 2: God is harsh and demanding and well issue if you disappoint,
[45:02] Speaker 2: if you you know, you get too big for your
[45:05] Speaker 2: bridges or whatever, you'll get smacked down and well, there
[45:09] Speaker 2: is a force to reckon with misdeeds. That's the law
[45:14] Speaker 2: of karma. But that runs on autopilot. So that's another
[45:17] Speaker 2: complex discussion. All right, So you ask me, how do
[45:20] Speaker 2: I know? Well, I came to believe in this voice
[45:27] Speaker 2: through the archangels over a long span of time. For
[45:31] Speaker 2: one thing, I have no one to guide me with this.
[45:36] Speaker 2: I mean, who is an authority that can tell you
[45:39] Speaker 2: and prove to you that this paradigm is even real.
[45:42] Speaker 2: The channelers are actually getting something outside themselves. Science still
[45:47] Speaker 2: doesn't believe in extrasensory perception, not as a formal tenet
[45:53] Speaker 2: of scientific thought. There are people who do a little
[45:57] Speaker 2: research on it. So I had to convince myself, very
[46:04] Speaker 2: much a skeptic that first of all, this is something
[46:09] Speaker 2: that's not me, it's not a part of my own mind.
[46:12] Speaker 2: That wasn't too hard because I would learn things every
[46:16] Speaker 2: time and asking questions I didn't know. So that's pretty
[46:20] Speaker 2: good evidence, because you know, I can put together a
[46:24] Speaker 2: pretty thoughtful, incisive question. I can think deeply about things,
[46:28] Speaker 2: and eventually I can get an intuitive sense maybe and
[46:32] Speaker 2: end up close to the truth of things without really
[46:36] Speaker 2: getting any outside information if I work at it and
[46:39] Speaker 2: leave myself open. And of course Really, what's happening is
[46:43] Speaker 2: my higher self and maybe Creator are giving me some
[46:47] Speaker 2: insight along the way, but that's available to everyone. That's
[46:51] Speaker 2: where your gut hunches and your inner instinct comes from.
[46:54] Speaker 2: It's from your guidance. Principally, you're higher self sometimes spirit
[46:59] Speaker 2: guide who are accompanying you and helping you with your
[47:03] Speaker 2: life plan and so on. Though those paradigms are true inaccurate.
[47:09] Speaker 2: So eventually I did run into an impostor and I
[47:17] Speaker 2: had some indings with an impostor. It shook me up.
[47:21] Speaker 2: And what happened was I was a little too cavalier,
[47:24] Speaker 2: a little too trusting, and I hadn't nailed down the
[47:28] Speaker 2: safety procedures that I really needed to be using. And
[47:33] Speaker 2: they let it happen. The divine let it happen.
[47:37] Speaker 3: To teach me.
[47:39] Speaker 2: So I've experienced that I know what can happen, I
[47:43] Speaker 2: know what it can be like, and it's very seductive.
[47:46] Speaker 2: And this is what is happening with all these channelers.
[47:50] Speaker 2: They love doing what they do because it seems so
[47:53] Speaker 2: lofty and wonderful. It's a gift and clearly something few
[47:58] Speaker 2: people can do, so they're not inclined to question it
[48:03] Speaker 2: and What happens, in addition, is if someone is channeling
[48:06] Speaker 2: an impostor, the darkness will work on them to make
[48:13] Speaker 2: them complacent, to rein them in and keep them constrained
[48:19] Speaker 2: in certain ways so they don't ask awkward questions, they
[48:24] Speaker 2: don't probe things too deeply. They stay on the surface
[48:27] Speaker 2: and they're only given surface level information, encouragement, upliftment. And
[48:34] Speaker 2: most of them are spiritual folks. They're not scientists, they're
[48:37] Speaker 2: not engineers. They're not thinking about the nuts and bolts
[48:42] Speaker 2: and what makes things go. They want to know about
[48:45] Speaker 2: ascension and the future and the soul and concepts like that.
[48:49] Speaker 2: And there's tons of spiritual lore that's accumulated over the centuries.
[48:55] Speaker 2: The impostors take that information, rework it, feed it back
[49:01] Speaker 2: to the channelers, and they're happy as a clam. They're
[49:05] Speaker 2: made to be complacent and they're readily full because they
[49:08] Speaker 2: don't think something bad could happen if they have good intentions.
[49:15] Speaker 2: It's a trap. Bad things do happen to good people.
[49:20] Speaker 2: Look at the news, you know, the innocent victim, the
[49:24] Speaker 2: little kid, there's got a bullet going through their brain,
[49:27] Speaker 2: lying in their crib because there's a drive by shooting.
[49:30] Speaker 2: You know that they didn't attract that that is evil
[49:35] Speaker 2: on the march, that has the ascendancy at the moment.
[49:40] Speaker 2: So here's what I can tell you by way of corroboration.
[49:48] Speaker 2: This is probably the best I can do. I know
[49:50] Speaker 2: it's not me, and I can talk at length about that,
[49:53] Speaker 2: but that would be too boring. But I've looked at
[49:56] Speaker 2: this carefully, and occasionally I'm truly odd by what comes through. Typically,
[50:04] Speaker 2: when I do a channeling session, depending on the material
[50:06] Speaker 2: I want to probe, I make a list of questions,
[50:09] Speaker 2: I record them. I go into a mild trance state,
[50:15] Speaker 2: put safety around the work. Connect to the creator of all.
[50:18] Speaker 2: It is who I go to now for all my channeling,
[50:22] Speaker 2: because it's the highest, holiest, most sacred source of everything.
[50:27] Speaker 2: And there's a rigor in how I go about that,
[50:33] Speaker 2: and I want to be kept safe. I want it
[50:37] Speaker 2: to be authentic and so on, and I set that
[50:39] Speaker 2: intention and I allow whatever comes through to come through.
[50:49] Speaker 2: I play the recorded questions one by one, wait for
[50:53] Speaker 2: an answer. When it stops talking through me, I played
[50:58] Speaker 2: the next question. Now I ask questions about all kinds
[51:04] Speaker 2: of things. I have many people coming to get wisdom,
[51:06] Speaker 2: dot com and they ask about something they saw on
[51:10] Speaker 2: the internet, or something happening with a family member, whatever
[51:13] Speaker 2: it might be, and I'll just throw that question into
[51:16] Speaker 2: my cue. Some I care about, I'm really curious. Some
[51:22] Speaker 2: I'm not that thrilled and knowing about. But I do
[51:26] Speaker 2: it as a service, you know. I honor that. And
[51:30] Speaker 2: some of them are more theoretical in that, and sometimes
[51:33] Speaker 2: probing things that I personally don't care that much about,
[51:36] Speaker 2: but I do it to keep rounding out the picture. Okay,
[51:39] Speaker 2: So I might sit down with a list of ten
[51:41] Speaker 2: questions that are you know, kind of penetrating, probing detail,
[51:49] Speaker 2: and I have no skin in the game. I do
[51:51] Speaker 2: no preparation of any kind. I don't look anything up
[51:53] Speaker 2: try to think about what the answer might be. I
[51:57] Speaker 2: just make a list of the questions from my big
[52:00] Speaker 2: long list, and I go on. I do a session
[52:03] Speaker 2: and let whatever comes come, and I send it off
[52:06] Speaker 2: to a volunteer who does the transcript and sends it
[52:09] Speaker 2: back to me, and she does the best she can
[52:12] Speaker 2: to put in the punctuation, you know, where the end
[52:14] Speaker 2: of the sentences are, and that kind of thing, where
[52:16] Speaker 2: to maybe make a paragraph break. And what I find
[52:22] Speaker 2: is invariably it's perfect. There's no awkwardness, there's no pauses,
[52:31] Speaker 2: there's no hesitation, there's no fumbling for words, there's no
[52:35] Speaker 2: kind of pauses like I might do. Try to think
[52:41] Speaker 2: of what I was just thinking about, and what I'm
[52:43] Speaker 2: going to say next, and what's most important and so on.
[52:47] Speaker 2: That takes some time, takes some thought if you're making
[52:50] Speaker 2: it up. When I write something, I'll spend hours on something.
[52:57] Speaker 2: If it's you know, of significance, something I want to
[53:00] Speaker 2: put as a preface to a book or explain something
[53:04] Speaker 2: important to a group of people, and I wanted to
[53:07] Speaker 2: really tell the story, Well, I'll spend hours polishing it,
[53:11] Speaker 2: and i'll read it the next day and I'll realize, oh,
[53:13] Speaker 2: I left this out. I left that out, and I'll
[53:15] Speaker 2: have to go and stick that in. Somehow, these channelings
[53:20] Speaker 2: get to the point they're cogent, they're deep, and they
[53:25] Speaker 2: tell the story, and they often have components I was
[53:30] Speaker 2: not aware of at all, and thinking about the question
[53:34] Speaker 2: and its meaning, that's how I know it isn't me.
[53:40] Speaker 2: So then who is it? If it's not me? And
[53:43] Speaker 2: I can't prove that. But I couldn't come up with
[53:48] Speaker 2: this material on my own i'd never get there. I've
[53:51] Speaker 2: got answers now in my database on the website alone
[53:56] Speaker 2: to five thousand questions, and so it just happens. So
[54:05] Speaker 2: what is it. It's smarter than I am. So I'm
[54:09] Speaker 2: no slouch. I'm not the smartest person in the world
[54:11] Speaker 2: by far, but I'm not a dummy. And you know,
[54:15] Speaker 2: so I've got some basic native intelligence and some scientific
[54:18] Speaker 2: background and so on, and you know, I have my
[54:23] Speaker 2: own cultural exposure such as it is, and all that
[54:26] Speaker 2: to draw on. But I can't know everything. I don't.
[54:34] Speaker 2: But this voice can tell me always something about anything.
[54:39] Speaker 2: And the key is in the nature of the answers.
[54:46] Speaker 2: If I asked about a dark subject, I'll get an answer.
[54:50] Speaker 2: If I want to know about something that happened, is
[54:52] Speaker 2: there something sinister going on about it? I'll be told.
[54:57] Speaker 2: And I might be told the group this response not
[55:00] Speaker 2: names and dates and places and forensic kinds of level
[55:06] Speaker 2: of detail, because the divine won't support a human forensic effort.
[55:12] Speaker 2: There's a lot of complicating karma in that. But I'll
[55:17] Speaker 2: learn about what is wrong. By and large, other channelers
[55:25] Speaker 2: don't ever go there. They want reassurance, they want support,
[55:31] Speaker 2: they want upliftment. They want sweetness and light talk, or
[55:34] Speaker 2: at least that's what they get always, and that's as
[55:37] Speaker 2: far as it goes. They don't get involved with healing
[55:41] Speaker 2: tough things and propose ways that can really work. To
[55:46] Speaker 2: do that. When I talk to Creator, and I call
[55:50] Speaker 2: it Creator to make it generic. A lot of people
[55:54] Speaker 2: don't like the word God because it triggers them. They
[55:57] Speaker 2: don't they want to get away from their religious back
[56:00] Speaker 2: background and the associations and they don't trust it, and
[56:07] Speaker 2: I understand why. But then we have the Muslims. I
[56:11] Speaker 2: have Muslim clients from time to time, and they want
[56:14] Speaker 2: to hear about Allah. If you're going to use a
[56:16] Speaker 2: nerd a name, they don't want to g word thrown
[56:20] Speaker 2: at them. So I call it Creator and that helps
[56:23] Speaker 2: me with some of the new age folks who who
[56:27] Speaker 2: you know, like that idea source, source, energy and that
[56:30] Speaker 2: sort of thing. The key is you have to mean
[56:35] Speaker 2: God when you say source. If you just talk about source,
[56:41] Speaker 2: you're talking about nothing except you know, some vague idea
[56:46] Speaker 2: you might have that there's some vast energy out there
[56:49] Speaker 2: whatever you're thinking in if you want to bring the
[56:52] Speaker 2: white light in to do something that is no meaning
[56:56] Speaker 2: in and of itself unless you're talking about holy light,
[57:01] Speaker 2: light that comes from the true divine. The rest is
[57:07] Speaker 2: hand waving, it's wishful thinking. It's people fooling themselves, and
[57:12] Speaker 2: there'll be an impostors show up immediately to engage with
[57:18] Speaker 2: them if they start doing that. This is where people
[57:21] Speaker 2: get in trouble. They meditate and they want to reach
[57:23] Speaker 2: out to the universe. They'll get a reply, but it
[57:28] Speaker 2: won't be God who's talking to them. It'll be an
[57:30] Speaker 2: ananarchi psychic watching the skies for people like that. We're
[57:35] Speaker 2: not supposed to be doing that. We're supposed to be
[57:37] Speaker 2: complacent and not using our intuitive ability. That has been
[57:42] Speaker 2: tried to. The attempt has been made to stamp that out,
[57:47] Speaker 2: and so that's a forbidden activity, frankly. So all right,
[57:54] Speaker 2: So this information I get is lofty, it's more than
[57:59] Speaker 2: I know know, and it deals with the darkness as
[58:03] Speaker 2: well as the light. And it names names in the
[58:06] Speaker 2: sense of groups and organizations who are doing terrible, terrible
[58:11] Speaker 2: things all the time. And I've learned so much about
[58:18] Speaker 2: how humanity is being harmed and corrupted and it's not pretty.
[58:25] Speaker 2: So I found out along the way first at the
[58:28] Speaker 2: level of the archangels, because I knew that I wanted.
[58:32] Speaker 2: I was interested in healing primarily, and so I asked
[58:35] Speaker 2: all kinds of things about medicine, and I never got
[58:39] Speaker 2: a lot of positive encouragement about medicine from them. And
[58:44] Speaker 2: you know, and I could understand that, because there's limits
[58:47] Speaker 2: to the pharmaceutical approach, which is the main thing, and
[58:49] Speaker 2: then surgery, which they say we shouldn't even be doing
[58:52] Speaker 2: at all. And I can talk about that at some
[58:55] Speaker 2: point with you, if you're interested, down the line.
[58:57] Speaker 1: But so.
[59:02] Speaker 2: One day I asked about another kind of institution, the
[59:08] Speaker 2: educational system. Boy did I get an air full about
[59:15] Speaker 2: all the ways that it's misguided, misdirected, misappropriated, and manipulated
[59:26] Speaker 2: for evil purposes. Evil yikes. I wasn't expecting that. And
[59:33] Speaker 2: of course, like everyone I know, things aren't perfect. So
[59:37] Speaker 2: the legal system isn't perfect. They make mistakes, They incarcerate
[59:41] Speaker 2: some innocent people, they let's let free some people who
[59:47] Speaker 2: are actually perpetrated. It's just not always easy. You don't
[59:50] Speaker 2: always have enough evidence, or evidence can be taged, it
[59:53] Speaker 2: can be overinterpreted, and so mistakes are made. I got
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: another ear full, and on and on it went. Every
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: sphere of human endeavor is highly corrupted, working against our
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: best interests much of the time. And that's why life
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: is frustrating, difficult, challenging, and often filled with disappointment for
[1:00:23] Speaker 2: so many people. Yeah, and like deliberately constrained and minimized, like.
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: You said earlier, this, I mean, this can be a
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: lot for people to hear, especially if they're hearing some
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: of this for the first time. You know, it can
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: be a little discouraging. And like I always you know,
[1:00:41] Speaker 1: try to do I try to offer solutions towards the
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: end of each show, especially if we're going to be
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: discussing heavy things like what's what's happening right now? Any
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: solutions that are possible? And people kind of look at
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: that and they're like, man, this whole system is too
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: big to fail. What could possibly be a solution for
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: these problems? So that's why I'd like to kind of
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: close out with are there any solutions to what's happening
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: right now? I mean, you gave like a timeframe of
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: maybe within five years, they're trying to basically enslave humanity.
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: Is there any way we can counter this and shift
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: this and turn it around.
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: Yes, And that ties in nicely with the idea that
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: I'm talking to something that is lofty, because I am
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: getting answers about how to deal with this very dilemma.
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: And the reason is I am asking. By and large,
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: people aren't doing that. They're complacent. They think it's you know,
[1:01:46] Speaker 2: human levels stuff. You know, people are squirrely, they're reliable,
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: they're corrupted, and they're easily corrupted. They're selfish, and that's
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: what this is. Some are outright criminals and so on.
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: It's unfortunate, but it's always been this way, look at history,
[1:02:01] Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. But it's bigger than that. It's
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: worse than that, because mind control is very powerful and
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: it gets people to do terrible things. And the best
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: evidence I can give you about the validity of the
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: voice I talk with is that it gives me lots
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: of confirmation about how to fix things and heal things.
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: This is a healing need that we're talking about here.
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: And here's the interesting divine perspective about it. Do we
[1:02:37] Speaker 2: need to learn how to make super weapons and develop
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: an army to ring the cities and fight them in
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: the skies, or what do we do? None? Of that.
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: They are opposed to war entirely, killing other things entirely.
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: They'll tell you it's better to just be killed than
[1:03:01] Speaker 2: to kill other beings. There is a time when if
[1:03:06] Speaker 2: there's something at that level that's at stake, like the
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: entirety of humanity, it might be the lesser of evils
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: to have a war. That was what World War two
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: was about. It was intended to result in the annihilation
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: of humanity. So those heroes who won World War two
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: were divinely inspired and assisted to do that. So there's
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: exceptions at times to these kinds of divine rules, because
[1:03:33] Speaker 2: otherwise the darkness will win. So we're given some help.
[1:03:38] Speaker 2: But this is our problem to solve. We are the answer.
[1:03:44] Speaker 2: We were created to solve the problem of evil. Believe
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: it or not, these ets were created along before we were.
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: They became depraved and were pillaging the entire higher galaxy.
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: The problem is the free will paradigm that creates the
[1:04:05] Speaker 2: possibility of bad along with the good. And it happened,
[1:04:10] Speaker 2: and these fallen and angels started this, and we were
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: created to be relatively new, still enough connected to the
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: light that we could stay pure enough and in divine
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: alignment enough to work through the divine to accomplish.
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: What was needed.
[1:04:36] Speaker 2: No one else in our galaxy isn't enough divine alignment
[1:04:40] Speaker 2: to do this. Who was in the physical There are
[1:04:43] Speaker 2: a few high level, high vibrational in other dimensions beings,
[1:04:51] Speaker 2: but not somebody who can be the boots on the ground,
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: which is what's needed. That's us. Most are asleep. You
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: can't count on that. Some are definitely oppositional. They're being
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: manipulated and controlled so heavily to be dark and to
[1:05:07] Speaker 2: throw wrenches in the works of any kind of humanitarian enterprise.
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: You can't count on them. You know. They're frank criminals,
[1:05:14] Speaker 2: many of them. And there is a collaboration with the
[1:05:18] Speaker 2: US government with the formation of a mercenary army of
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: humans being mind controlled to do that. That's how the
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: annihilation will be done. By human beings turning against others
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: because of the mind control, they cannot be aware of
[1:05:40] Speaker 2: what they're doing. That's how powerful this can be. So
[1:05:45] Speaker 2: we have to stop it. Now, How do you do
[1:05:48] Speaker 2: it if you can't fight and win because they're too
[1:05:51] Speaker 2: advanced technologically and you can't get any outside help, which
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: is true, by the way, what are you left with
[1:06:03] Speaker 2: you're only left with the Divine. That is our ace
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: in the hole. God has the power to stop it,
[1:06:12] Speaker 2: but cannot do it because it's our problem. We're responsible.
[1:06:17] Speaker 2: We need to take charge and make this happen. So
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: what we need then is a partnership. We need to
[1:06:26] Speaker 2: partner with a divine. So walking hand in hand with
[1:06:31] Speaker 2: the Almighty, we have the capability to turn this around.
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: All right, So, nitty gritty, how does that happen? Show
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: up one day with a giant next to you, intimidate
[1:06:46] Speaker 2: the interlopers. No, Asking the Divine for the things that
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: will work is the key. We can do it to
[1:06:57] Speaker 2: some extent through prayer. We can do it more powerfully
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: with this healing protocol, and what it asks is for
[1:07:05] Speaker 2: the Divine to come in and take care every level
[1:07:08] Speaker 2: of negativity that has befallen us and the interlopers who
[1:07:14] Speaker 2: are manipulating us and want to do these terrible things,
[1:07:18] Speaker 2: the ets and the dark spirits. The key is healing
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: the perpetrators. That is how we can be saved. If
[1:07:30] Speaker 2: we heal those who intend to do us in. That
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: can't happen unless they're victims are healed first. This is
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: how the universe works. You cannot be forgiven, restored, rejuvenated
[1:07:51] Speaker 2: for the things that have happened to take you out
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: of alignment unless the mess is cleaned up. That's how
[1:08:00] Speaker 2: you come back to the fold. You clean up your mess,
[1:08:04] Speaker 2: or get some help to clean it up if it's
[1:08:07] Speaker 2: too big down for you to handle. That is the
[1:08:11] Speaker 2: path back to full empowerment for humanity and to be
[1:08:17] Speaker 2: healed and kept safe. Take care of the perpetrators first,
[1:08:22] Speaker 2: so they will withdraw and leave us alone. Then continued
[1:08:29] Speaker 2: healing can happen for humanity in earnest to get us
[1:08:34] Speaker 2: ready to have an ascension to a higher plane of existence.
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: That is what is planned for us. Many people perceive that,
[1:08:46] Speaker 2: psychics and so on. They see an ascension in our future.
[1:08:49] Speaker 2: Some see an annihilation, an apocalypse. That's what was talked
[1:08:54] Speaker 2: about in the Bible. You know the Book of Revelation,
[1:08:57] Speaker 2: and you know the end of the world armageddon. That's
[1:09:01] Speaker 2: the other dire possibility, one or the other. Well, if
[1:09:08] Speaker 2: we can ascend, it will only be because we solve
[1:09:12] Speaker 2: the problem of evil and help the interlopers find a
[1:09:17] Speaker 2: better path. Then we'll live long enough to go through
[1:09:21] Speaker 2: this process of being raised up. If we do not
[1:09:26] Speaker 2: save them and heal them enough to get them out
[1:09:30] Speaker 2: of our air, they may well do us in and
[1:09:35] Speaker 2: that will be the end of humanity at least in
[1:09:38] Speaker 2: this go run. We won't have a planet to live on,
[1:09:41] Speaker 2: we won't be able to come back again, and because
[1:09:45] Speaker 2: we'll be immediately dealt with, so we'll be back in
[1:09:50] Speaker 2: the light because we have an immortal soul licking our wounds,
[1:09:54] Speaker 2: feeling sorry for ourselves, maybe regretting that we couldn't pull
[1:09:58] Speaker 2: this off after how many thoughts and years we've been
[1:10:02] Speaker 2: working on this. Now many of us are old souls.
[1:10:05] Speaker 2: We were live before the universe was started, So this
[1:10:09] Speaker 2: has been going on for millennia, and we have a
[1:10:13] Speaker 2: huge stake in this and it would be a shame
[1:10:16] Speaker 2: to have it fall apart. Now when we're that close
[1:10:19] Speaker 2: to a turning point. To make our future destiny start
[1:10:25] Speaker 2: to happen in a big, big way, we will leave
[1:10:28] Speaker 2: the physical realm, will be in a higher dimension that
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: allows us to traverse the universe at will have many
[1:10:37] Speaker 2: kind of divine level capabilities, creating things out of energy,
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: like we would like to do with our minds but
[1:10:44] Speaker 2: really can't so much as a physical human We have
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: a remembrance that we can do magical things, but not
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: as a physical human. But we're going to go back
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: to that and have free reign through the universe, to
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: be an ambassador for Creator and allow greater free will
[1:11:04] Speaker 2: throughout the universe than ever before, because we will have
[1:11:07] Speaker 2: proved any darkness that does arise can be dealt with successfully.
[1:11:15] Speaker 2: We will have proven it. That's to be our role.
[1:11:21] Speaker 2: But we're running out of time, so we have the protocol.
[1:11:26] Speaker 2: We have empowered prayer to ask for all the things
[1:11:29] Speaker 2: germane to solving this problem, uplifting those who would harm humans,
[1:11:35] Speaker 2: those who are working against the truth of the divine.
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: You can say a prayer asking for that and you
[1:11:42] Speaker 2: will be helping thwart the annihilation. You don't have to
[1:11:46] Speaker 2: spell that out. You can just ask for the upliftment
[1:11:51] Speaker 2: of those who cause harm, and for all to be
[1:11:56] Speaker 2: raised up and love to open the hearts of all all,
[1:12:01] Speaker 2: and you'll have it covered. You see, it's not really
[1:12:05] Speaker 2: just us against them. Us first and foremost deal with them.
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: They've are proven that we can't get anything positive from them.
[1:12:16] Speaker 2: That's not the way to look at We have to
[1:12:20] Speaker 2: be more divine than that and recognize they are people
[1:12:25] Speaker 2: who are corrupted, beings who are corrupted, and they are
[1:12:31] Speaker 2: imperil themselves because they will perish eventually the way they're going.
[1:12:38] Speaker 2: These extraterrestrials, they're doomed with the path they're on, and
[1:12:44] Speaker 2: the dark spirits are already doomed. They only exist as parasites.
[1:12:50] Speaker 2: And if this physical realm is all essentially to become
[1:12:58] Speaker 2: obsolete one day because it served the purpose as a
[1:13:01] Speaker 2: training ground, all those dark angelic spirits will get recycled.
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: There'll be no more that could happen to some of
[1:13:10] Speaker 2: the races of physical beings. Also if they're beyond the
[1:13:14] Speaker 2: pales still, so the plan is for us to descend
[1:13:18] Speaker 2: and then keep healing them from the light. So all
[1:13:21] Speaker 2: I can tell you is this source of knowledge is
[1:13:25] Speaker 2: about healing and helping. I'm not getting that so much
[1:13:30] Speaker 2: from other sources. Now some of them are starting to
[1:13:33] Speaker 2: talk about, Yeah, there are some peskyts out there and
[1:13:39] Speaker 2: we're gonna have to face it and we're going to
[1:13:42] Speaker 2: have to do something, and we're gonna need some powerful
[1:13:45] Speaker 2: friends to come in, and there are some benevolent ets
[1:13:48] Speaker 2: out there. So thankfully we're going to have an ally
[1:13:52] Speaker 2: who's able to face these dark ETS and help us
[1:13:57] Speaker 2: with this contest that's coming. That's a plan being put
[1:14:03] Speaker 2: into action already. That's why there have been leaks about ETS,
[1:14:10] Speaker 2: about a program involving the US military and ETS and
[1:14:17] Speaker 2: this disclosure movement that is gaining strength all the time,
[1:14:21] Speaker 2: and they think they're doing really wonderful things to bring
[1:14:24] Speaker 2: forth the truth. You know that the government's hiding the
[1:14:29] Speaker 2: details and we're grown up enough to handle it, et cetera.
[1:14:34] Speaker 2: That is a trojan horse campaign to have the ETS
[1:14:40] Speaker 2: come out of the closet claiming to be our friends
[1:14:43] Speaker 2: and savior. And I'm told if we let them have
[1:14:49] Speaker 2: more power and control, it's all over because the divine
[1:14:54] Speaker 2: will be helpless. We will have chosen who were lining
[1:14:57] Speaker 2: up with. If we line up with the band guys,
[1:15:00] Speaker 2: even if they have a good story, we're doomed. So
[1:15:05] Speaker 2: that is the bottom line message here and why this
[1:15:08] Speaker 2: is important. You're not going to find other humans by
[1:15:11] Speaker 2: and large who are not misguided in some way, some
[1:15:17] Speaker 2: very deeply corrupted. But there's so much disinformation and it's
[1:15:21] Speaker 2: gotten the head start.
[1:15:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, it has, and we man, we're living in such
[1:15:27] Speaker 1: fascinating times and critical times, and we've barely just kind
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: of scratched the surface of a lot of the information
[1:15:35] Speaker 1: that I think people need to hear about. So I'd
[1:15:37] Speaker 1: definitely love to have you back on in the near
[1:15:40] Speaker 1: future so we can you know, keep updated and keep
[1:15:44] Speaker 1: finding out what's really happening in our world.
[1:15:47] Speaker 2: Well, there are many fascinating details about this whole enterprise
[1:15:55] Speaker 2: because it's vast in its workings. Yeah, and they have
[1:16:00] Speaker 2: so many humans working for them, carrying out little subplots
[1:16:05] Speaker 2: and strategies two fool people and to cause trouble, to
[1:16:13] Speaker 2: drain us of energy and resources. So one of them
[1:16:18] Speaker 2: is the bio warfare that goes on. It's been all
[1:16:21] Speaker 2: through history. All these pathogens are extraterrestrial. They come and
[1:16:27] Speaker 2: they spray them into our environment, and then we get
[1:16:31] Speaker 2: a plague or we get a you know, virus and influenza,
[1:16:35] Speaker 2: you know on the COVID nineteen right. So that's just
[1:16:40] Speaker 2: one of many many sources of attack that they use
[1:16:45] Speaker 2: to sap our strength, to soften us up, and that's
[1:16:50] Speaker 2: the plan. It's it's fun for them because they're kind
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: of savoring it, you know. They they wouldn't want to,
[1:16:56] Speaker 2: you know, it's like the art of cooking. You know,
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: do you want an instant meal like you push your
[1:17:01] Speaker 2: button and boom the meal, or do you like cooking
[1:17:04] Speaker 2: it slowly over the coals and watching its sizzle and
[1:17:08] Speaker 2: bubble and the heat. I mean, that's kind of like
[1:17:12] Speaker 2: the way they think. If there's more pain, they're all in.
[1:17:17] Speaker 2: They want it slow and painful.
[1:17:20] Speaker 1: Well, Carl, I'm so glad that you're coming out with
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: this information. I think that even though it's a tough
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: pill for a lot of people to swallow, we need
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: to keep exploring this kind of thing. And like I said,
[1:17:31] Speaker 1: I'd love to have you back on sometime in the
[1:17:34] Speaker 1: future before you head out. If people are interested in
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: finding out more about you and your work, your channelings,
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: anything like that. It is getwisdom dot com.
[1:17:44] Speaker 2: Right absolutely that you can learn about the different areas
[1:17:49] Speaker 2: of involvement here are healing work and our exploration to
[1:17:53] Speaker 2: learn about the unusual, the paranormal, and the idea of spirituality,
[1:18:01] Speaker 2: to promote truth of the divine and help people understand
[1:18:05] Speaker 2: what it is like how to interact with it, and
[1:18:10] Speaker 2: fill in the blanks about the different kinds of beings
[1:18:16] Speaker 2: and the hierarchies and so on and what it can
[1:18:19] Speaker 2: mean for you.
[1:18:22] Speaker 1: Definitely check that part of it. Yes, we are all
[1:18:26] Speaker 1: part of it. And I want to thank you again
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: Carl for coming on tonight. Like I said, we'll have
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: some we'll have some more shows in the future. We
[1:18:34] Speaker 1: can explore some of this information further and it'll be
[1:18:38] Speaker 1: great to talk.
[1:18:38] Speaker 2: To you again. And oh, thank you so much.
[1:18:41] Speaker 1: Of course, tonight we're gonna welcome Ronnie Dawson. He is
[1:18:44] Speaker 1: a Texas oil field worker whose UFO alien encounter received
[1:18:49] Speaker 1: international tension. He was featured on an episode of Caught
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: on Camera on Japanese TV and made an appearance on
[1:18:56] Speaker 1: NBC First Look Roswell Experience or Panel. He is the
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: author of the Ronnie Dawson UFO Story and has been
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: a guest on multitude of radio shows, and his story
[1:19:06] Speaker 1: has been featured on websites across the globe. He was
[1:19:09] Speaker 1: also recently a featured presenter at the UFO Mega Conference. Ronnie,
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: welcome to Forbidden Knowledge News and again, how have you been.
[1:19:20] Speaker 3: I thank you, Chris, It's really good to be here.
[1:19:22] Speaker 3: I'm doing great and doing great.
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, it was great meeting you, hanging out with
[1:19:27] Speaker 1: you and writer at the conference. You had an awesome presentation,
[1:19:32] Speaker 1: and man, you have experienced some crazy shit, to say
[1:19:35] Speaker 1: the least. A lot of my audience may not have
[1:19:38] Speaker 1: heard your stories yet, so I really want to get
[1:19:42] Speaker 1: into that. Plus you have some photographic evidence we're going
[1:19:45] Speaker 1: to share here at the end. Now, Ronnie, before any
[1:19:48] Speaker 1: of this ever happened to you, what was your life
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: like and did you believe in UFOs and aliens?
[1:19:56] Speaker 3: Man? You know, I kind of thought that there's a
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: possibility of it, But I out in the middle of nowhere,
[1:20:01] Speaker 3: and I worked nights, and I'm out there in the
[1:20:03] Speaker 3: middle of nowhere, and I haven't seen anything. I'm thinking,
[1:20:06] Speaker 3: you know, if somebody would see something out there at
[1:20:08] Speaker 3: nights sneaking around, it should have been us, guys. And
[1:20:11] Speaker 3: for twenty four years, I didn't see anything. And so,
[1:20:15] Speaker 3: you know, I was fairly confident that everything up there
[1:20:17] Speaker 3: in the sky was explainable and everything I had seen
[1:20:21] Speaker 3: when I was able to explain it, even though I'd
[1:20:23] Speaker 3: seen some wild stuff, but it was all explainable as
[1:20:26] Speaker 3: far as I could tell. And so I was kind
[1:20:29] Speaker 3: of a skeptic. Really, I was skeptic.
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: Now, when did you have your very first experience that
[1:20:35] Speaker 1: you really couldn't deny.
[1:20:38] Speaker 3: It was about two thousand and nine. We started seeing
[1:20:41] Speaker 3: some lights moving around out in the out out in
[1:20:44] Speaker 3: the woods. Whether it wouldn't anybody or anything out there,
[1:20:47] Speaker 3: and I mean it was lights that would appear in
[1:20:49] Speaker 3: the darkness. They would drop down to the field, sit
[1:20:51] Speaker 3: there for a few seconds, pop up two hundred feet,
[1:20:54] Speaker 3: be joined by a second one disappear. Lights would come
[1:20:57] Speaker 3: on and sequence over the trees, and then they would just.
[1:21:00] Speaker 1: And where in the United States was this approximately?
[1:21:03] Speaker 3: This was over here in north central Texas and the
[1:21:06] Speaker 3: north central Texas and the upper Northern Hill Country of Texas.
[1:21:10] Speaker 3: And it's a very rural area out here, and uh,
[1:21:13] Speaker 3: like I said, I'd been out there twenty four years
[1:21:14] Speaker 3: and I hadn't seen anything like this, And it was
[1:21:17] Speaker 3: really odd trying to figure out what this was. And
[1:21:22] Speaker 3: I was kind of putting two and two together. And
[1:21:23] Speaker 3: then I was going down the road and three lights
[1:21:26] Speaker 3: came on, and then six lights came on, and they
[1:21:28] Speaker 3: were up ahead of me over the highway and they
[1:21:31] Speaker 3: were hyping there probably a thousand feet up, huge lights.
[1:21:34] Speaker 3: And then three more came on. There was nine lights.
[1:21:37] Speaker 3: And now I've seen three of the lights broke off
[1:21:40] Speaker 3: travel down to the ground. Within a two minute period,
[1:21:42] Speaker 3: about a quarter mile up to my left, they shined
[1:21:44] Speaker 3: a blue being down on the ground, and then there
[1:21:48] Speaker 3: was a human like a humanoid figurine with a large
[1:21:51] Speaker 3: head fir its body walking around out there in the field.
[1:21:54] Speaker 3: And inside the blue light there was something darker blue
[1:21:58] Speaker 3: being lifted. And as I got to this and was
[1:22:00] Speaker 3: observing all this, trying to figure out what was going
[1:22:03] Speaker 3: on over there, I seen a cow. It was a
[1:22:05] Speaker 3: cow in the light being lifted, and it was whipping
[1:22:08] Speaker 3: its head from side to side, and so at that
[1:22:11] Speaker 3: point I kind of, you know, figured, okay, it was
[1:22:14] Speaker 3: kind of a lot. I was thinking, anyways, if these
[1:22:16] Speaker 3: things aren't from around here right now.
[1:22:20] Speaker 1: You saw a cow being pulled into, did you see
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: the craft that it was being pulled into.
[1:22:25] Speaker 3: I couldn't see the shape of the craft. All I
[1:22:27] Speaker 3: could see was the craft had three large white lights
[1:22:29] Speaker 3: that were whitish blue lights that were shining out of
[1:22:32] Speaker 3: what it looked like porthole openings in it. And I
[1:22:36] Speaker 3: could not see the shape of the craft, but I
[1:22:38] Speaker 3: could see the beam going down to the ground, and
[1:22:40] Speaker 3: I could see the dark blue object being lifted in it.
[1:22:42] Speaker 3: I couldn't tell what it was at first, but I
[1:22:44] Speaker 3: could clearly make out finally that it was a cow
[1:22:47] Speaker 3: and it was whipping its head from side to side,
[1:22:49] Speaker 3: not enjoyed being lifted.
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: Wow, do you have any questions about that experience?
[1:22:53] Speaker 4: Writer? Just that it's interesting that you brought up, Ronnie
[1:22:58] Speaker 4: that the lights were kind of different colored. You said
[1:23:02] Speaker 4: white and blue, right, Like I've heard that UFOs whenever
[1:23:07] Speaker 4: they're seen when they're multi collared, and they're very vibrant
[1:23:11] Speaker 4: and different colored lights. So those are real extraterrestrial craft,
[1:23:17] Speaker 4: and the other ones that are just white are more
[1:23:20] Speaker 4: than likely military craft one of ours. Is that true
[1:23:24] Speaker 4: to your knowledge?
[1:23:27] Speaker 3: And you know, I've had other experiences to see the
[1:23:29] Speaker 3: color of the lights in my pictures and videos and
[1:23:32] Speaker 3: stuff and say they just they knew that my stuff
[1:23:34] Speaker 3: was real just in the color of the lights.
[1:23:37] Speaker 1: Like we're going to show some of those pictures. They
[1:23:40] Speaker 1: have very bright colored lights in some of these objects
[1:23:44] Speaker 1: that you're showing. It's very interesting, now, this this experience
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: with the cow and the lights, this was all the
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: same experience, right, This was one time.
[1:23:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just one experience there, But I mean
[1:23:56] Speaker 3: I was going out during the week and I will
[1:23:59] Speaker 3: see lights come on over the fields and go off,
[1:24:01] Speaker 3: and I'd see them drop down to the field and
[1:24:03] Speaker 3: sit there for a second and then pop up. And
[1:24:05] Speaker 3: so we were seeing some weird stuff out there before
[1:24:07] Speaker 3: the calib duction, and the calib duction was a real
[1:24:10] Speaker 3: wake up call for me that this is probably et
[1:24:12] Speaker 3: more than likely, because I'd heard about calaib ductions everywhere,
[1:24:15] Speaker 3: but not many people in the world have actually witnessed one.
[1:24:19] Speaker 3: But I actually witnessed one while I was driving down
[1:24:21] Speaker 3: the highway. I even rode down my driver's side window
[1:24:24] Speaker 3: so I could get a clear look at it. The
[1:24:25] Speaker 3: thought of stopping and watching it crossed my mind, but
[1:24:28] Speaker 3: after I seen that it was a cow being lifted,
[1:24:30] Speaker 3: I just wanted to leave. I had no I had
[1:24:32] Speaker 3: seen everything I wanted to see.
[1:24:34] Speaker 1: Right, Did you have any other experiences where you witnessed
[1:24:39] Speaker 1: any cattle mutilations or anything like that.
[1:24:43] Speaker 3: I have no idea what happened to the cow they got,
[1:24:45] Speaker 3: if it got killed, taken back, or never just disappeared
[1:24:48] Speaker 3: all together, you know, I have no idea what happened
[1:24:50] Speaker 3: to the cow after that. And like I said, it
[1:24:52] Speaker 3: was just an area of the highway. I was traveling
[1:24:55] Speaker 3: down and so I have you know the consequencies of
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: the cow. I have no idea what happened happened to
[1:25:01] Speaker 3: that thing, but I can I can imagine what happened now.
[1:25:05] Speaker 4: How many people were with you, Ronnie, whenever this happened,
[1:25:07] Speaker 4: were there others with you?
[1:25:09] Speaker 1: No?
[1:25:09] Speaker 3: I was I was working by myself, traveling down the
[1:25:12] Speaker 3: traveling down alongst stretch of the highway between Cisco, Texas
[1:25:14] Speaker 3: and Rise of Star called Highway one eighty three South Francisco, Texas.
[1:25:19] Speaker 3: And they headed two rises started to pick up a
[1:25:20] Speaker 3: load of crude all down there. So and this all
[1:25:23] Speaker 3: happened right in front of me on the highway and
[1:25:25] Speaker 3: the big craft I had gotten underneath it, because like
[1:25:28] Speaker 3: I said, there was nine lights and three had broken off,
[1:25:31] Speaker 3: and then the six lights that were still above me.
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: At one point they just couldn't I couldn't see him anymore.
[1:25:35] Speaker 3: It was like whatever it was up there, I had
[1:25:37] Speaker 3: driven under the thing.
[1:25:39] Speaker 4: So so this was like your first experience then, Yeah,
[1:25:42] Speaker 4: that was my first biggest that's my first big wake
[1:25:45] Speaker 4: up call, you know.
[1:25:46] Speaker 3: I seen and it was the thing walking around on
[1:25:49] Speaker 3: the field. It looked like a little skinny person with
[1:25:51] Speaker 3: a huge head on it, and there was a fluorescent
[1:25:54] Speaker 3: green and yellow light just glowing around it.
[1:25:57] Speaker 1: Did you see what happened to him or where he went?
[1:26:00] Speaker 3: No, I couldn't see. I couldn't see him all that well,
[1:26:03] Speaker 3: but I could just tell it was a humanoid with
[1:26:05] Speaker 3: a head that was way too big. And then the
[1:26:08] Speaker 3: light was probably fifty yards from him. And uh, inside
[1:26:11] Speaker 3: the light there was something being lifted and I could
[1:26:13] Speaker 3: see it. I could see it rising up, and I
[1:26:15] Speaker 3: was it drew my attention to it, and when I
[1:26:17] Speaker 3: saw that it was a cow, I was like, oh, man, okay,
[1:26:20] Speaker 3: this has just gotten real.
[1:26:22] Speaker 1: Man, that's weird. And uh so after this, you saw
[1:26:25] Speaker 1: lights in the field. You saw these lights quite often recurring.
[1:26:30] Speaker 3: Yeah. You you couldn't go out there almost some It's
[1:26:33] Speaker 3: like it's like once a week you go out there.
[1:26:35] Speaker 3: I'd work Wednesday and Thursday night, use me and uh
[1:26:37] Speaker 3: on Wednesday and a Thursday night, you could. You could
[1:26:39] Speaker 3: not go out there without seeing something something odd. It
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: wasn't always something amazing like a calibduction, but it was
[1:26:45] Speaker 3: always a light that came on, sequenced and went off,
[1:26:49] Speaker 3: or something odd, something that was unexplainable every every week.
[1:26:53] Speaker 1: Now, eventually you actually had encounters in contact with probably
[1:26:59] Speaker 1: extra terrestrial beings.
[1:27:01] Speaker 4: Uh.
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: Now, when was your first experience that you made contact
[1:27:05] Speaker 1: with something not human?
[1:27:08] Speaker 3: Well, the first thing that the first thing that happened
[1:27:11] Speaker 3: is I had an alien home invasion that happened in
[1:27:13] Speaker 3: twenty a ten, and it was it was not about
[1:27:16] Speaker 3: a year after we started seeing the lights and and
[1:27:19] Speaker 3: not I think it was. I don't know, it was
[1:27:23] Speaker 3: a little bit after the catlebduction, maybe six months or
[1:27:26] Speaker 3: so something like that after the calab duction, but we
[1:27:29] Speaker 3: started seeing I started seeing some beautiful craft. I could
[1:27:31] Speaker 3: almost see the craft with the lights signalcent around it,
[1:27:36] Speaker 3: and it was stay in the same position in the lights.
[1:27:38] Speaker 3: It had like a counterclockwiss rotation, and one light would
[1:27:41] Speaker 3: rotate out of you and another one would come into view,
[1:27:43] Speaker 3: and it was like a disc that had a counterclockwise rotation.
[1:27:46] Speaker 3: And I was trying to get pictures and observing this
[1:27:49] Speaker 3: on a couple of different occasions. And uh. And then
[1:27:52] Speaker 3: one day in the late afternoon in the broad daylight,
[1:27:54] Speaker 3: I've seen a huge black something over a rural farmhouse
[1:27:59] Speaker 3: on private property. It was still daylight and At first
[1:28:02] Speaker 3: I thought the place might be on fire because it
[1:28:04] Speaker 3: was very dark cloud over the top of this house.
[1:28:06] Speaker 3: But as I got closer to the house, I could
[1:28:08] Speaker 3: see these big whitish blue lights came on in the
[1:28:11] Speaker 3: middle of it, and I could tell that it was
[1:28:13] Speaker 3: a UFO craft and it started moving away from the house.
[1:28:17] Speaker 3: That was really fuzzy. Even if you'd had a really
[1:28:19] Speaker 3: good camera, you wouldn't have got a good picture because
[1:28:21] Speaker 3: I don't know what was caused in the disturbance, if
[1:28:23] Speaker 3: it was some kind of a stealth or something, but
[1:28:25] Speaker 3: there was not a whole lot of detail in the
[1:28:27] Speaker 3: shape of the craft, but you could definitely see it was.
[1:28:30] Speaker 3: It was larger than the house and black and moving off,
[1:28:33] Speaker 3: and it had it had four big lights in the
[1:28:36] Speaker 3: middle strung throughout the middle of it, and it was
[1:28:39] Speaker 3: started moving off ahead of me. And I had a
[1:28:41] Speaker 3: camera and I tried to get a picture of it
[1:28:42] Speaker 3: in the daylight, and the camera failed. The camera lens opened,
[1:28:46] Speaker 3: the batteries were good, and the thing just froze up.
[1:28:48] Speaker 3: I don't know if they had anything to do with
[1:28:50] Speaker 3: it or it was just bad timing and the camera malfunction,
[1:28:54] Speaker 3: but I would have had a great opportunity to catch
[1:28:56] Speaker 3: it right there in the daylight. I was actually following
[1:28:58] Speaker 3: this thing out, unable to get a picture of it
[1:29:00] Speaker 3: after the camera failed, and then the thing just turned translucent.
[1:29:04] Speaker 3: I was waiting for it to shoot off or see
[1:29:06] Speaker 3: how it took off, and this thing just it went translucent.
[1:29:09] Speaker 3: You could all of a sudden it got almost like
[1:29:11] Speaker 3: a mirage and you could just see right through it.
[1:29:14] Speaker 3: And it just like it's like the stelle started working
[1:29:16] Speaker 3: or something, and it just vanished right in front of
[1:29:18] Speaker 3: my eyes. Wow. This was in the late afternoon. It
[1:29:22] Speaker 3: wasn't even darker.
[1:29:24] Speaker 1: Now, this was part of the home invasion scenario.
[1:29:28] Speaker 3: That was just prior to the home invasion scenario, but
[1:29:31] Speaker 3: it actually I had that was the second craft I
[1:29:34] Speaker 3: had seen you six days and and I had been
[1:29:37] Speaker 3: trying to think outside the box. And I had this
[1:29:39] Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty MILLI lot green laser I'd got,
[1:29:41] Speaker 3: and I had the idea that I could shoot this
[1:29:43] Speaker 3: green laser at one of these UFOs. Have a friend
[1:29:46] Speaker 3: recorded and if the craft's propostion system was bend in
[1:29:49] Speaker 3: the FABRICA's face around it, it should make the light
[1:29:52] Speaker 3: appear to be end or disappear or do something odd.
[1:29:55] Speaker 3: And my thinking was that if I could actually get
[1:29:57] Speaker 3: a video or just doing that, we'd really have some
[1:30:00] Speaker 3: holiday presented to the scholars and skeptics that what we're
[1:30:03] Speaker 3: seeing is real, not from around here. So I contacted
[1:30:09] Speaker 3: a friend of mine, Alan Ostracio, who lived in a
[1:30:11] Speaker 3: house house out of town here, and he agreed to
[1:30:13] Speaker 3: help me in my little project. So I brought up
[1:30:15] Speaker 3: the laser. I had the camera when we were UFO
[1:30:18] Speaker 3: watching in his backyard, and I had seen two in
[1:30:21] Speaker 3: six days. This is dying number seven, and we were
[1:30:24] Speaker 3: basically UFO watching, hoping that we'd get the chance to
[1:30:27] Speaker 3: do something like that like I'd been hoping to do right.
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: So and we sat there with you and up UFO
[1:30:33] Speaker 3: watching for a while, and I didn't I could hear
[1:30:36] Speaker 3: military jets coming around, and I thought, we're not going
[1:30:38] Speaker 3: to see anything with these jets messing around. And finally
[1:30:40] Speaker 3: the jets left, and it was about fifteen minutes after
[1:30:42] Speaker 3: all the jets had left. I was about ready to
[1:30:46] Speaker 3: give up. And my friend Allen is the one first
[1:30:48] Speaker 3: one that seen it. He said, my god, man, what
[1:30:50] Speaker 3: is that? And I looked and there was a four
[1:30:51] Speaker 3: light craft just like I had seen over the house.
[1:30:55] Speaker 3: It was. It was black and you could see some
[1:30:56] Speaker 3: white lights in on it, and uh thing it was
[1:31:01] Speaker 3: just it was probably uh I want to say a
[1:31:04] Speaker 3: few maybe four hundred yards from us. It wasn't that
[1:31:06] Speaker 3: that far from us. It was about one hundred feet
[1:31:09] Speaker 3: above the ground. And uh. And I shined this light
[1:31:13] Speaker 3: laser around this thing, and I never needed to get
[1:31:16] Speaker 3: the beam deviation that I was hoping to get. And uh,
[1:31:20] Speaker 3: so I told my friend Alan, I said, Man, I'm
[1:31:22] Speaker 3: gonna shine it on this thing. And you're ready, I said,
[1:31:24] Speaker 3: because I was wondering if they were gonna they might
[1:31:26] Speaker 3: take this wrong, they might interpret this wrong, and my god,
[1:31:28] Speaker 3: we might be two piles of ashes. It was one
[1:31:30] Speaker 3: of the scariest things I've ever done, was shining this
[1:31:32] Speaker 3: laser onto the UFO and uh, this thing, this laser
[1:31:36] Speaker 3: to shoot a beam about five ten miles easily green
[1:31:38] Speaker 3: bean that you could easily visibly see. And the idea
[1:31:42] Speaker 3: was to get it on camera. Well, I shine, I said.
[1:31:44] Speaker 3: I shined the light that laser on the craft and
[1:31:47] Speaker 3: it just completely absorbed the beam and uh and I thought, man,
[1:31:51] Speaker 3: it's not doing anything. I look and I looked up
[1:31:53] Speaker 3: ready and I said, I hope you're getting all this,
[1:31:55] Speaker 3: And the camera was laying right asideing. Man. I mean,
[1:31:57] Speaker 3: he had one job with the video record this. And
[1:32:00] Speaker 3: he was standing there and he had his hands on
[1:32:02] Speaker 3: his hips and he was just talking at this thing.
[1:32:05] Speaker 3: You had never seen a UFO before, and it just
[1:32:07] Speaker 3: the thought of having the camera and having a job
[1:32:10] Speaker 3: just it just blew his mind. I mean he just
[1:32:12] Speaker 3: laid the camera sait right there beside him, and he
[1:32:14] Speaker 3: was just staring at this thing. And I said, my god,
[1:32:17] Speaker 3: how you're supposed to be recorded this? And he we
[1:32:20] Speaker 3: rushed for the camera. We got it up and pointed
[1:32:22] Speaker 3: at it. Before the thing could even start running. The
[1:32:25] Speaker 3: craft just blinked out.
[1:32:26] Speaker 1: Wow.
[1:32:28] Speaker 3: Man, that's incredible. So I was I was frustrated. We
[1:32:32] Speaker 3: had a great opportunity there. But we learned a little
[1:32:34] Speaker 3: bit because I did not see the beam deviation I
[1:32:36] Speaker 3: was hoping to get, so if nothing else, we learned
[1:32:39] Speaker 3: a little bit about they don't appear to be being
[1:32:41] Speaker 3: in a fabric of space around the perfts like maybe
[1:32:44] Speaker 3: we had anticipated anyway. So so.
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: Man, that's really interesting.
[1:32:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, what we were thinking was that, you know, we'd
[1:32:57] Speaker 3: actually catch something some solid evidence here, but that didn't happen,
[1:33:02] Speaker 3: so anyway, what but the interesting thing is what happened
[1:33:05] Speaker 3: the next night, Uh, the next you know, I wondered,
[1:33:09] Speaker 3: how et I'm thank god that didn't shoot anything back
[1:33:11] Speaker 3: to this, but I wondered, you know, what they'd think
[1:33:12] Speaker 3: about a shooting a laser of their craft, if they
[1:33:14] Speaker 3: would make him curious or anything like that. And I
[1:33:17] Speaker 3: was actually firing the laser around before we seen the craft,
[1:33:19] Speaker 3: So I actually wondered if the laser might have attracted
[1:33:22] Speaker 3: you know, maybe they're curious to a certain degree and
[1:33:24] Speaker 3: that helped to attract the craft. I don't know, but
[1:33:27] Speaker 3: I was definitely shining the laser round before the craft
[1:33:30] Speaker 3: showed up, and then when the craft did show up,
[1:33:32] Speaker 3: I got to shine it on it. But the next
[1:33:35] Speaker 3: night I came, I came home from work, and I
[1:33:38] Speaker 3: and I live here at the house by myself, and
[1:33:40] Speaker 3: I have this tabby mancoon cat. He's a big, big
[1:33:43] Speaker 3: cat's he's declawed. He lives he stays in the house.
[1:33:46] Speaker 3: It never goes outside. And when I got when I
[1:33:50] Speaker 3: got into the when I got to the house, there
[1:33:54] Speaker 3: was the cat was missing and there was a big
[1:33:56] Speaker 3: hole in the bathroom floor that something had clawed to
[1:34:00] Speaker 3: the floor. I couldn't imagine how my cat had done that,
[1:34:02] Speaker 3: but he had escaped under the house. And it was
[1:34:04] Speaker 3: big enough hole that I could stick my arm and
[1:34:06] Speaker 3: our cat could crawl through. And so this this cat
[1:34:11] Speaker 3: is just missing. So I I and I called him
[1:34:14] Speaker 3: through that look down through that hole and I call
[1:34:16] Speaker 3: the cat and I could hear him underneath her and uh,
[1:34:19] Speaker 3: he sounded like he's closed. So I reached my arm
[1:34:21] Speaker 3: down the hole and I'm feeling around trying to grab
[1:34:22] Speaker 3: this cat, and I can't feel him. And I pulled
[1:34:25] Speaker 3: my arm out. I look off that down the hole
[1:34:26] Speaker 3: and there was something really scary down there looking up
[1:34:29] Speaker 3: at me. And I can't be sure that it's a cat.
[1:34:31] Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but it's pretty scary
[1:34:33] Speaker 3: looking looking up through the hole at me. And I thought, man,
[1:34:37] Speaker 3: crazy for sticking your arm in that hole. Man, it's
[1:34:39] Speaker 3: not telling what the heck is down there. It's like
[1:34:41] Speaker 3: a cross space that's underneath my house. For all the
[1:34:43] Speaker 3: water pipes and gas lines and stuff are. It's not
[1:34:46] Speaker 3: even enough for him to walk underneath it. You have
[1:34:47] Speaker 3: to crawl around on your belly, you know, to work
[1:34:49] Speaker 3: on the house. And uh So I go out of
[1:34:53] Speaker 3: the house and I see that my blocks on my
[1:34:55] Speaker 3: excess panel blocks have been pulled out a little bit,
[1:34:58] Speaker 3: and I don't know why that is. And and I
[1:35:00] Speaker 3: called the cat, and the cat was running out, and
[1:35:02] Speaker 3: I grabbed the cat, put the blocks back. I get
[1:35:04] Speaker 3: a big piece of tin, and I patched the hole
[1:35:05] Speaker 3: where the cat can't escape again. And I get ready
[1:35:08] Speaker 3: for bed and I go in there and I lay
[1:35:10] Speaker 3: down in that bed, and I no sooner lay down
[1:35:12] Speaker 3: in that bed, you know. Then all of a sudden,
[1:35:14] Speaker 3: I hear dishes and stuff getting knocked over up on
[1:35:16] Speaker 3: the kitchen sink in the kitchen, and I'm hearing stuff
[1:35:19] Speaker 3: getting knocked over and broke, and I'm thinking, what this
[1:35:23] Speaker 3: cat is just? Man, he's really on my nerves. And
[1:35:26] Speaker 3: I try to get up out of the bed to
[1:35:27] Speaker 3: go see what's going on. And I realized that I
[1:35:29] Speaker 3: cannot get up out of this bed to save my life. Man,
[1:35:31] Speaker 3: I am pinned to this bed. So I'm wondering why
[1:35:34] Speaker 3: I can't move. I mean, I can move my eyes,
[1:35:37] Speaker 3: but I can't move my arms or legs or anything.
[1:35:39] Speaker 3: And then I keep hearing the noise from the kitchen.
[1:35:42] Speaker 3: There's still stuff moving around in there. And then so
[1:35:45] Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm having some kind of a health problem,
[1:35:47] Speaker 3: a heart attack, a stroke, I don't even knows what.
[1:35:50] Speaker 3: And then here's the stuff still moving around, and there
[1:35:53] Speaker 3: I hear all of a sudden, I hear cabinets sound
[1:35:54] Speaker 3: like they're opening, drawers sound like they're being pulled out,
[1:35:56] Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, well, that is not like a cat
[1:35:59] Speaker 3: could do something like that. And I look. I roll
[1:36:02] Speaker 3: my eyes over to the doorway and I could see
[1:36:04] Speaker 3: my cat is standing in the doorway, looking towards the kitchen,
[1:36:07] Speaker 3: and he's like freaking out, like there's something besides me
[1:36:10] Speaker 3: and him in the house. And I'm going, okay, there's something,
[1:36:14] Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what. I'm trapped in this bed,
[1:36:16] Speaker 3: the cat stand in the doorway, there's something else in
[1:36:18] Speaker 3: the house, in the kitchen and h and they're saying,
[1:36:21] Speaker 3: I know. The cat runs in there and jumps into
[1:36:23] Speaker 3: the bed with me. And then all of a sudden,
[1:36:25] Speaker 3: I see something streaked by the door where the cat
[1:36:28] Speaker 3: was just was. And this thing, whatever it is, is black,
[1:36:30] Speaker 3: and it's moving so fast that your eyes can't focus
[1:36:33] Speaker 3: on it. I mean it's streaking by it, and so
[1:36:36] Speaker 3: and I'm thinking I've got some kind of animal or
[1:36:38] Speaker 3: something in the house. I'm still paralyzeding the bed. The
[1:36:41] Speaker 3: cat's walking around the bed beside me, nothing's affecting him,
[1:36:44] Speaker 3: and so I'm trying to figure out what in the
[1:36:47] Speaker 3: world's going on here. And I see another one run
[1:36:50] Speaker 3: by the doorway, and it's running just as fast as
[1:36:52] Speaker 3: the other one. I mean, it's so fast that my
[1:36:54] Speaker 3: eyes couldn't even focus on it, and I mean, I
[1:36:56] Speaker 3: can't imagine what can move that fast. So then I
[1:37:00] Speaker 3: seen one of them run across my vertical wall. I
[1:37:03] Speaker 3: mean it run across the vertical wall like gravity didn't
[1:37:06] Speaker 3: even affect it. And at that point, I was clean
[1:37:08] Speaker 3: to the hope that it was a raccoon or a
[1:37:10] Speaker 3: squirrel that had gotten in my house, that I was
[1:37:12] Speaker 3: having some kind of health problem. But now I'm starting
[1:37:15] Speaker 3: to realize this probably has more to do with what
[1:37:17] Speaker 3: went on last night than anything that I was hoping
[1:37:21] Speaker 3: was going on. So I was going on, man, this
[1:37:24] Speaker 3: probably has something to do with wee like last night
[1:37:26] Speaker 3: we were shooting a laser out of UO, you know,
[1:37:30] Speaker 3: And now now I got ech in my house and
[1:37:34] Speaker 3: he's running around in my house and uh, and I
[1:37:37] Speaker 3: couldn't see him, but I'm I mean, I see him
[1:37:39] Speaker 3: run up the wall, up up and down the wall
[1:37:41] Speaker 3: like gravity didn't affect him. And they're just moving, flying
[1:37:44] Speaker 3: so fast, and it's just crazy fast. And I tell
[1:37:49] Speaker 3: you why, man, it was really weird. And I was
[1:37:52] Speaker 3: going on, man, just do whatever you need to do
[1:37:55] Speaker 3: and leave me alone in here. And then all of
[1:37:57] Speaker 3: a sudden, I see one of them run in front
[1:37:59] Speaker 3: of my door and stop where the cat had been
[1:38:01] Speaker 3: before he'd run in there, and this thing running it
[1:38:04] Speaker 3: off fours and it reared up on its back legs.
[1:38:07] Speaker 3: This thing wasn't about eighteen inches tall. And this is
[1:38:09] Speaker 3: one of the ugliest thing you could probably ever imagine. Man,
[1:38:12] Speaker 3: This thing it looked like a looked like a grimblin
[1:38:15] Speaker 3: the movie Grimblings after you throw water on it without
[1:38:18] Speaker 3: the big ears. I mean, this was an ugly of
[1:38:20] Speaker 3: a gun man. It was only eighteen inches tall. It
[1:38:23] Speaker 3: had a face like an old man like it's squinty
[1:38:26] Speaker 3: eyes and tight mouth, humanoid looking face, and it had
[1:38:30] Speaker 3: an exoskeleton shell on it and the shell itself had
[1:38:33] Speaker 3: thrown the pendages sticking on it. This thing was ten
[1:38:36] Speaker 3: feet from me, so I got a really good look
[1:38:37] Speaker 3: at it, and it was scary looking. I mean, it
[1:38:41] Speaker 3: had long, really long arms, and what would have been
[1:38:45] Speaker 3: its hands, I don't know if you could really call
[1:38:46] Speaker 3: them hands or like insect hands or something. Man that
[1:38:49] Speaker 3: they looked really odd and as fast as this thing was,
[1:38:53] Speaker 3: I can't imagine the you know what kind of hands
[1:38:56] Speaker 3: this thing had on it. But I mean they could
[1:38:58] Speaker 3: run on a wall like a cock rope, you know,
[1:39:00] Speaker 3: the way they the way they were moving, and uh,
[1:39:03] Speaker 3: and this thing he was looking away from me. He
[1:39:06] Speaker 3: was looking at me. He I see the side view
[1:39:08] Speaker 3: of him, and then he looked towards the other two
[1:39:10] Speaker 3: that were running running around the house. And then all
[1:39:12] Speaker 3: three of them ran through my door, underneath the bed
[1:39:15] Speaker 3: that I was trapped on, and then they were lifting
[1:39:18] Speaker 3: the bed up me, the box, springs, the mattresses, everything,
[1:39:22] Speaker 3: slamming it back to the floor, and I was being
[1:39:24] Speaker 3: bounced on the mattresses and still couldn't do anything with
[1:39:27] Speaker 3: the cat. He had had enough, man, He took off
[1:39:30] Speaker 3: that bed. He took off around that corner, out of
[1:39:32] Speaker 3: that room, and I was wishing I could have went
[1:39:35] Speaker 3: with him, but I was still trapped here on that
[1:39:37] Speaker 3: bed and they're bouncing me on this bed like I like, man,
[1:39:41] Speaker 3: these things are strong. I mean they're little, but there's man,
[1:39:44] Speaker 3: they gotta be stout and to be doing lifting me
[1:39:47] Speaker 3: and the bed and every the bed frame and everything,
[1:39:49] Speaker 3: and all of a sudd in the bed. They stopped,
[1:39:51] Speaker 3: They stopped bouncing it, and uh, they start crawing, clawing
[1:39:55] Speaker 3: up it. I could hear him turning through the fiber
[1:39:57] Speaker 3: of the box spring. I could hear them up underneath
[1:39:59] Speaker 3: the box spring. I can hear them scratching on the wood. Uh,
[1:40:02] Speaker 3: the metal mashes across the top of the box springs
[1:40:06] Speaker 3: underneath the mattress. They had pulled on it hard enough
[1:40:08] Speaker 3: if they actually been it. And I seen the scrape
[1:40:10] Speaker 3: marks in the wood that they left, and it was
[1:40:12] Speaker 3: it was large, deep scrape marks, not like tiger claws,
[1:40:16] Speaker 3: but something's like like like a dog or a bear claw,
[1:40:20] Speaker 3: had something strong and deep into the wood on it.
[1:40:23] Speaker 3: And they had actually bent the wire, pulling on the wire.
[1:40:26] Speaker 3: And I was on top of this bed and it
[1:40:28] Speaker 3: felt like they were digging through the mattress underneath me.
[1:40:31] Speaker 3: And I was thinking, my God, they're gonna kill me.
[1:40:33] Speaker 3: You know, I can't do anything. I'm gonna die here,
[1:40:36] Speaker 3: you know. And and you know your your your instinct
[1:40:39] Speaker 3: apears is fight or flight, you know, and when you
[1:40:43] Speaker 3: can't flight, you know. I was horrified for a while,
[1:40:46] Speaker 3: but then I got angry and I thought, it's either
[1:40:48] Speaker 3: me or them. I'm in. I'm gonna struggle for life
[1:40:51] Speaker 3: and dead. So I'm I started, I started getting angry. Man,
[1:40:54] Speaker 3: I started growing into a rage. You know, I'm gonna
[1:40:56] Speaker 3: break a little from this forest that's that's holding me.
[1:40:59] Speaker 3: And I already had a p and there was a
[1:41:00] Speaker 3: golf club in the corner. I'm gonna go grab a
[1:41:03] Speaker 3: club out of that golf club and I'm gonna kill
[1:41:04] Speaker 3: me some of these suckers. And then I'm gonna take
[1:41:06] Speaker 3: the take the body of this thing, take it into
[1:41:09] Speaker 3: a newsroom and throw it on the newsroom floor. And
[1:41:12] Speaker 3: so you want proof, there's your proof. And uh, I
[1:41:15] Speaker 3: mean I and I was, I was mad. I mean,
[1:41:18] Speaker 3: I'm ready to kill kill them because I think and
[1:41:20] Speaker 3: they're gonna kill me. And uh I tried, and I
[1:41:23] Speaker 3: decided when I tried to break free from that force,
[1:41:25] Speaker 3: the more force I used, the more they used to
[1:41:27] Speaker 3: hold me in place, and it started affecting my breathing
[1:41:30] Speaker 3: and it started affecting my heart. I felt like I
[1:41:32] Speaker 3: was fixing to die. Man. I felt like I was
[1:41:34] Speaker 3: fixing to have a heart attack right there, and it
[1:41:37] Speaker 3: got hard to read. It felt like I was fixing
[1:41:39] Speaker 3: and going conscious, and so I just I quit fighting
[1:41:42] Speaker 3: because I thought, man, I'm I'm completely at the mercy.
[1:41:44] Speaker 3: There's nothing I can do. And I just laid there.
[1:41:48] Speaker 3: And then they quit digging at the bed and stuff,
[1:41:50] Speaker 3: and they got over there where the gun cabinet was
[1:41:52] Speaker 3: at and I was sticking in my head and said,
[1:41:54] Speaker 3: that's where the laders at the gun cabinet is locked.
[1:41:56] Speaker 3: And I know for a fact I locked that thing,
[1:41:58] Speaker 3: the lasers locked in and I'm thinking, I'm bet these
[1:42:01] Speaker 3: guys after that, and I heard them over by the
[1:42:04] Speaker 3: gun cabinet, and I kind of thought to myself, Yeah,
[1:42:07] Speaker 3: you suckers, this thing is locked. You're not going to
[1:42:09] Speaker 3: get in there. And I heard them messing around over there,
[1:42:12] Speaker 3: and then the next thing, I know, it got real quiet,
[1:42:15] Speaker 3: and then I couldn't hear them at all. You know,
[1:42:18] Speaker 3: it got quiet for just a second, and next thing,
[1:42:20] Speaker 3: you know, all of a sudden, my body jumped up
[1:42:22] Speaker 3: out of that bed, and I was in a fitter rage,
[1:42:25] Speaker 3: and I cust throlled out and I grabbed that golf club.
[1:42:27] Speaker 3: Now I had tried to do this five minutes earlier,
[1:42:29] Speaker 3: I mean, this is a long time had gone by
[1:42:31] Speaker 3: six I had tried to do this. Now I'm freaking
[1:42:33] Speaker 3: out because my body is like a robot acting without
[1:42:36] Speaker 3: my permission. It's just jumping up doing whatever the hell
[1:42:38] Speaker 3: it wants, and I'm not telling it to do it.
[1:42:41] Speaker 3: You know, And my whole life, my body has done
[1:42:43] Speaker 3: what I told you to do. But this is the
[1:42:44] Speaker 3: first time i life my body was like a robot
[1:42:47] Speaker 3: doing something I didn't tell what to do. And I
[1:42:48] Speaker 3: feel like a passenger riding along for the for the ride.
[1:42:52] Speaker 3: It was like they had blocked the signals that I
[1:42:54] Speaker 3: had tried to send in my brain. And when when
[1:42:55] Speaker 3: they released me, that's the first thing they got processed.
[1:42:57] Speaker 3: And that's the first thing I did. Well, got a
[1:43:01] Speaker 3: golf club, and I go on an alien hunt. I
[1:43:04] Speaker 3: looked as they had opened every cabinet, every drawer in
[1:43:07] Speaker 3: my whole house. I've seen dishes that had been knocking
[1:43:09] Speaker 3: over and broken in there in the kitchen, and they
[1:43:11] Speaker 3: had knocked over a lamp and broke it there at
[1:43:13] Speaker 3: the computer desk, and they had opened some drawers that
[1:43:17] Speaker 3: were in the living room as well, and all the
[1:43:20] Speaker 3: all the drawers under my computer desk had been opened
[1:43:23] Speaker 3: and left open. They didn't bother to close any drawers.
[1:43:25] Speaker 3: They had opened every dower and all the cabinets had
[1:43:28] Speaker 3: been open, and so they you know, there was definitely
[1:43:31] Speaker 3: they were definitely in my house. And then I went
[1:43:35] Speaker 3: walking back into the bedroom. I thought, you know, i've
[1:43:37] Speaker 3: been I know the gun cabinet was locked. When I
[1:43:39] Speaker 3: want looked over the gun cabinet, the gun cabin the
[1:43:41] Speaker 3: top and the bottom was open, and I know it
[1:43:43] Speaker 3: was locked, and I thought, man, insuckers, they opened that.
[1:43:46] Speaker 3: I thought, may's that laser. They've got that lasuer? That
[1:43:48] Speaker 3: lasuer was gone. I went over to where the laser
[1:43:51] Speaker 3: was being kept and there was a laser still in
[1:43:53] Speaker 3: its case out there in the lower part of the
[1:43:55] Speaker 3: gun cabinet that was locked and it was open, and
[1:43:58] Speaker 3: they didn't take it. And I thought, well, they didn't
[1:44:00] Speaker 3: find it, or they missed it, or but the fact
[1:44:03] Speaker 3: that they had opened the gun cap and then it
[1:44:05] Speaker 3: occurred to me, I'm sitting here, scared of the death,
[1:44:07] Speaker 3: going on an alien hunt with the golf club, and
[1:44:09] Speaker 3: I got a loaded shotgun right here. And the reason
[1:44:12] Speaker 3: I didn't go for the shotgun to start with was
[1:44:14] Speaker 3: I would have had to go into the living room
[1:44:15] Speaker 3: and find the key to it and go back and
[1:44:17] Speaker 3: open it, because I assumed it was still locked, and
[1:44:20] Speaker 3: I thought, man, I could have had a shotgun going
[1:44:22] Speaker 3: on this alien hunt. But anyway, I didn't. When I
[1:44:25] Speaker 3: went back to where I had passed the hole where
[1:44:26] Speaker 3: the cat was missing, they had They had pulled the
[1:44:29] Speaker 3: screws up out of the wood and bent the tin,
[1:44:31] Speaker 3: and I had used to secure it down where the
[1:44:34] Speaker 3: cat couldn't get back out again. So apparently I'm thinking
[1:44:37] Speaker 3: they probably made the hole. They probably escaped through the hole.
[1:44:40] Speaker 3: It was never the cat anyway. Besides, this cat's de clawed.
[1:44:43] Speaker 3: How he could have chewed a hole in my floor
[1:44:45] Speaker 3: big enough for him to crawl out of it would
[1:44:47] Speaker 3: have taken a long time, not happened in a short
[1:44:50] Speaker 3: period of time like one day. And so yeah, this
[1:44:54] Speaker 3: was a It was a while. It was a while.
[1:44:56] Speaker 3: I couldn't seek it out. Now.
[1:44:58] Speaker 1: One question before I turned over to writer. How long
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: did this whole kind of interaction last?
[1:45:05] Speaker 3: I want to say that the whole, the whole to
[1:45:07] Speaker 3: et invasion with I mean, from the time that they
[1:45:10] Speaker 3: peeled me down and they ranch back to aust It
[1:45:13] Speaker 3: wasn't a very long period of time, but it felt
[1:45:15] Speaker 3: like I mean, when you're I was, it felt like
[1:45:18] Speaker 3: they probably lasted fifteen to twenty minutes maybe, but it
[1:45:22] Speaker 3: felt like it was an hour man, you know, And
[1:45:24] Speaker 3: I kept fighting that horse that was holding me, and
[1:45:26] Speaker 3: then I relaxed and I couldn't feel anything hold me.
[1:45:29] Speaker 3: But when I would try to try it again, it
[1:45:31] Speaker 3: was still it would just it would be there again.
[1:45:33] Speaker 3: It was like it didn't feel like anything was holding me,
[1:45:36] Speaker 3: but when I would try to move there, it was,
[1:45:38] Speaker 3: you know, frustrating. Yeah.
[1:45:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, when you said you jumped up and started, you know,
[1:45:44] Speaker 1: doing all the reflexes and moves you wanted to do
[1:45:46] Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, that's that's pretty incredible. Any questions
[1:45:50] Speaker 1: for him, writer?
[1:45:52] Speaker 4: Yeah, So, whenever you first described it, I kind of
[1:45:56] Speaker 4: thought maybe they were like translucent kind of beings, but
[1:45:59] Speaker 4: the way the story progressed, it seems like that they
[1:46:03] Speaker 4: were really physical, So like you you legitimately uh saw
[1:46:07] Speaker 4: them like you weren't able to see through them. They
[1:46:09] Speaker 4: weren't translucent at all. They were literally physical beings.
[1:46:12] Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, these these certainly were physical beings. And and
[1:46:16] Speaker 3: uh and people people have told me, you know why
[1:46:18] Speaker 3: you call the police, you know, and don't think it
[1:46:19] Speaker 3: didn't cross my mind. I was like, man, you know, yeah,
[1:46:21] Speaker 3: I would love to get the cops over here and
[1:46:23] Speaker 3: get a forensic team over here and get some because
[1:46:26] Speaker 3: I know there's physical evidence in my house. And I've
[1:46:28] Speaker 3: seen you could get up underneath my box springs and
[1:46:30] Speaker 3: you can see the scratches and the pool marks on
[1:46:32] Speaker 3: the wiring and stuff like that. So I had physical
[1:46:35] Speaker 3: evidence in my house. And people keep hollering, you know,
[1:46:37] Speaker 3: we want physical evidence, but you have to realize that
[1:46:39] Speaker 3: our world is not set up for physical evidence. I
[1:46:41] Speaker 3: had physical evidence of an ET encounter. And who was
[1:46:44] Speaker 3: I gonna call that? You want me to call the police? Now,
[1:46:46] Speaker 3: the police in my town, they're gonna they're not gonna
[1:46:49] Speaker 3: First of all, they're not even gonna take you serious.
[1:46:51] Speaker 3: They're gonna take you on some kind of a drug
[1:46:52] Speaker 3: hallucination and probably look for the meth lab. But They're
[1:46:55] Speaker 3: not even gonna take that kind of a They're not
[1:46:57] Speaker 3: even gonna take you serious. And the fact that I'm
[1:47:00] Speaker 3: a Hagards material transport driver, I have to really look
[1:47:03] Speaker 3: out for. Uh, Like I said, you know, if they
[1:47:06] Speaker 3: think I'm crazy that we have a medical department that
[1:47:09] Speaker 3: will pull me out of the truck. They will make
[1:47:10] Speaker 3: me go through a six month psychological evaluation and we
[1:47:14] Speaker 3: get drug tested all the time. We get all this stuff. Man,
[1:47:16] Speaker 3: it's like an air saying. I go through the same
[1:47:18] Speaker 3: stuff airline pilots go through. In fact, I gave my
[1:47:21] Speaker 3: physicals with them at the same doc. Guilty doctor. So
[1:47:25] Speaker 3: and uh, you know, so you don't want to. I
[1:47:28] Speaker 3: mean it's hard enough just just keeping your job because
[1:47:31] Speaker 3: of your health and stuff. You know, you start making
[1:47:33] Speaker 3: wild ass accusations and same crazy stuff. Man, Now they
[1:47:37] Speaker 3: don't they won't hesitate for a minute to pull you
[1:47:39] Speaker 3: out of the truck. And we have short term disability
[1:47:42] Speaker 3: that they don't pay nothing like what you normally might
[1:47:45] Speaker 3: work in. I mean, you're taking a heck of a
[1:47:47] Speaker 3: cutting pay and you don't want to go there, you know,
[1:47:51] Speaker 3: And I was sick. It wouldn't do any good. It
[1:47:52] Speaker 3: wouldn't have done it if I thought it would have
[1:47:54] Speaker 3: done any good. You bet I would have called the
[1:47:55] Speaker 3: police if I would have had some kind of a
[1:47:58] Speaker 3: department or government uh investigation unit that I could have
[1:48:02] Speaker 3: called and said, hey, man, I seriously had an ET
[1:48:05] Speaker 3: and home invasion. I seriously have some physical evidence that
[1:48:08] Speaker 3: if you're seriously come look for. I'd be willing to
[1:48:10] Speaker 3: let them come where you bet you know, And that's
[1:48:13] Speaker 3: that's one of the things we're gonna have to do
[1:48:15] Speaker 3: as a UFO community. You're gonna take it seriously. You're
[1:48:17] Speaker 3: gonna have to set up something where something like this
[1:48:20] Speaker 3: really happens. You won't solid evidence, you're you're equipped to
[1:48:23] Speaker 3: come look for.
[1:48:24] Speaker 1: Well, the UAP report did come out today. It was
[1:48:28] Speaker 1: quite disappointing. It was only like what nine pages. I
[1:48:31] Speaker 1: believe there's a larger report that's I set to come
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: out at a later date, but we're not going to
[1:48:36] Speaker 1: really talk about that because it's coming from the government
[1:48:39] Speaker 1: and media anyway, So I think most of it would
[1:48:42] Speaker 1: be disinformation. But any many other questions about that incident
[1:48:47] Speaker 1: right before we move on.
[1:48:49] Speaker 4: Yes, what what do you think that was the purpose
[1:48:52] Speaker 4: for them coming into your house? Do you think that
[1:48:55] Speaker 4: they were mad? Do you think that they were angry?
[1:48:56] Speaker 4: You think it was like a warning, like, don't shine
[1:48:59] Speaker 4: the laser at our craft anymore? Did was anything missing
[1:49:03] Speaker 4: from your home that you found out later on?
[1:49:07] Speaker 3: That's a good question, you know. And I thought it
[1:49:08] Speaker 3: over them pretty much. And I tell you what I think.
[1:49:10] Speaker 3: I think these are subservient beings. This is like an
[1:49:13] Speaker 3: alien recontent. I think they probably came and investigated the laser.
[1:49:17] Speaker 3: They probably weren't tasked with taking the laser, or the
[1:49:20] Speaker 3: laser would have been gone, but maybe they they came
[1:49:22] Speaker 3: and investigated the laser.
[1:49:24] Speaker 1: If you want to shake you up a little bit
[1:49:25] Speaker 1: with the whole bedshaking thing.
[1:49:28] Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, I have no idea what that was about.
[1:49:31] Speaker 3: But I think, you know, some of the some of
[1:49:32] Speaker 3: these subserviance, or they're subservience, is something greater they're they're doing.
[1:49:37] Speaker 3: They're like a little contract job and maybe they're, uh,
[1:49:40] Speaker 3: they have a little temper themselves. Maybe they have a
[1:49:42] Speaker 3: little plate for this. Who knows. Maybe they're just mean
[1:49:45] Speaker 3: and uh, the same thing with you know. I think
[1:49:48] Speaker 3: maybe the gray aliens are tasked with connecting the biological
[1:49:51] Speaker 3: material from us. I don't think they're I think they're
[1:49:53] Speaker 3: subservience to something else, and I think this is something else.
[1:49:56] Speaker 3: Is the guys I met later on wo oh Yes,
[1:50:00] Speaker 3: I only see these little guys at one time. I
[1:50:02] Speaker 3: haven't seen them since, and I thank god, you know,
[1:50:05] Speaker 3: don't want it, don't care to see them again. But
[1:50:07] Speaker 3: I seen them up close and personal ones that's not.
[1:50:10] Speaker 4: Did you did you happen to shine a laser on
[1:50:12] Speaker 4: any more UFOs after that incident?
[1:50:15] Speaker 3: Now I still go UFO watching it, And in fact
[1:50:17] Speaker 3: I still use the laser because I think the laser
[1:50:20] Speaker 3: does have it does have the potential to attract them.
[1:50:22] Speaker 3: I think that they can probably see the laser. There
[1:50:25] Speaker 3: are intelligent beings, there's so certainly certain able curious beings,
[1:50:28] Speaker 3: and I think shining a laser up in the sky
[1:50:30] Speaker 3: if you're not seeing anything where you're UFO watching, I
[1:50:33] Speaker 3: don't think it hurts at all. In fact, I've done
[1:50:35] Speaker 3: it several times and had great results when I did
[1:50:38] Speaker 3: do it, so I would encourage it and I and
[1:50:41] Speaker 3: also I was attacked by airline people at one point
[1:50:44] Speaker 3: for being one of those UFO guys who shining air
[1:50:47] Speaker 3: lasers at airplanes. And I'm not that guy, and I
[1:50:49] Speaker 3: don't encourage anybody.
[1:50:52] Speaker 1: Definitely.
[1:50:53] Speaker 4: Uh.
[1:50:53] Speaker 1: Now you said you actually met the beings that these
[1:50:56] Speaker 1: little guys may be subservient to.
[1:51:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, that was in August twenty seventeen. There was another
[1:51:03] Speaker 3: big event that happened exactly one year after this eight
[1:51:06] Speaker 3: home invasion.
[1:51:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear it.
[1:51:10] Speaker 3: For solid year after this event, I didn't I didn't
[1:51:12] Speaker 3: see anything. I didn't see no mystery lights. I didn't
[1:51:15] Speaker 3: see nothing. Man, I mean it was so quiet, nothing,
[1:51:18] Speaker 3: and I, you know, I thought, man, you know, it
[1:51:20] Speaker 3: was it was wild. It was crazy, and I was
[1:51:23] Speaker 3: kind of thinking, you know, I guess I'll never see
[1:51:25] Speaker 3: anything like that again. Well, I was working. It was
[1:51:28] Speaker 3: a March second of twenty eleven, exactly one year later,
[1:51:32] Speaker 3: and I was working nights, and I was working down
[1:51:35] Speaker 3: there at a little Echo community. Echo's a little town
[1:51:39] Speaker 3: called Echo, Texas, a little farming community ten miles outside
[1:51:42] Speaker 3: of Comba, Texas in Coleman County, And going down there
[1:51:46] Speaker 3: to get a little cruidle, and I pulled upon this
[1:51:48] Speaker 3: lease at night. It wasn't that late at night, it
[1:51:50] Speaker 3: was like ten o'clock. And I pulled in this lease
[1:51:53] Speaker 3: and all of a sudden there's a three light UFO
[1:51:56] Speaker 3: came on. The last came on. It probably went fifty
[1:51:58] Speaker 3: yards for me, and it rose up over the tree
[1:52:01] Speaker 3: and the thing was fixing the fly right over the
[1:52:03] Speaker 3: top of my truck, and I had my I had
[1:52:05] Speaker 3: my phone trying to get the camera open. I was
[1:52:07] Speaker 3: hanging out of my driver's side door up to the waist.
[1:52:10] Speaker 3: I was determined to catch this thing. And then all
[1:52:12] Speaker 3: of a sudden, it just blinked out and and I
[1:52:16] Speaker 3: was like, wow, man it was I was so close
[1:52:18] Speaker 3: to getting a picture of it, and and it frustrated
[1:52:22] Speaker 3: me in but I thought this thing didn't leave sure enough.
[1:52:24] Speaker 3: I went ahead and hooked up to my tank, gauged
[1:52:27] Speaker 3: my own and did everything I gotta do to get
[1:52:30] Speaker 3: do my job. And I'll saying this thing. I seeing
[1:52:32] Speaker 3: the lights come on back out there, and I thought
[1:52:33] Speaker 3: these guys hadn't left. They just turned their stealth phone
[1:52:36] Speaker 3: or whatever they did. But there's still after there's still
[1:52:39] Speaker 3: I could see the lights come on, and then the
[1:52:41] Speaker 3: lights would go off, and then the lights to move
[1:52:42] Speaker 3: and it would come on again, and I was getting
[1:52:45] Speaker 3: some pictures the first time. The first time I was
[1:52:46] Speaker 3: able to catch some picture, so I was loading my
[1:52:48] Speaker 3: camera full of these pictures of these things out of
[1:52:52] Speaker 3: just colored lights out over the field, and didn't know
[1:52:56] Speaker 3: I would need that memory space for later. But I
[1:52:59] Speaker 3: was happy I was catching the pictures of it, you know,
[1:53:02] Speaker 3: and uh, and this thing. At one point, this thing,
[1:53:07] Speaker 3: it disappeared, it came back on. It was sitting on
[1:53:09] Speaker 3: the ground behind the battery over there, about a quarter
[1:53:11] Speaker 3: mile away, and I thought, man of it. And I
[1:53:13] Speaker 3: had video capabilities on this camera that I was carrying,
[1:53:16] Speaker 3: So I got some video of this thing. And I thought,
[1:53:19] Speaker 3: I can't really see what's going on. It's too far away.
[1:53:22] Speaker 3: All you can see some lights on in the ground
[1:53:24] Speaker 3: shining through the trees. But I thought if I zoom in,
[1:53:26] Speaker 3: maybe honest to be able to see something walking around
[1:53:27] Speaker 3: the craft. So I was started a video. Well by
[1:53:31] Speaker 3: the time I started the video of this thing, this
[1:53:32] Speaker 3: thing leapfrogs two hundred yards, comes back down again on
[1:53:35] Speaker 3: the ground since there for a second, and then goes
[1:53:38] Speaker 3: back up in the air and takes off and goes
[1:53:40] Speaker 3: in the flight and travels about a mile and about
[1:53:43] Speaker 3: two seconds. And I call all that on video, and
[1:53:46] Speaker 3: I thought, man, I've got there. I got you now. Et,
[1:53:50] Speaker 3: you know, because this thing, this thing, you know, you know,
[1:53:53] Speaker 3: I played with model Hobby rockets Man. The fastest rocket
[1:53:56] Speaker 3: I've ever shot travels a mile and three seconds, so
[1:53:59] Speaker 3: I know this thing traveling well over one thousand miles
[1:54:01] Speaker 3: an hour. Right off the ground. You know, it traveled
[1:54:04] Speaker 3: a mile to two seconds, which is faster than any
[1:54:06] Speaker 3: rocket I've ever launched. And I'm thinking, this thing is moving,
[1:54:09] Speaker 3: whatever it is, and you can see it, and it's changed.
[1:54:12] Speaker 3: The lights were changing color of the whole time, blue, yellow, green, red.
[1:54:16] Speaker 3: And then when it got a mile away and it
[1:54:17] Speaker 3: stopped and I actually caught it on a piece of video. Well,
[1:54:22] Speaker 3: I kept waiting to catch it. I was gonna catch more,
[1:54:24] Speaker 3: you know. I thought maybe to come back, and sure
[1:54:26] Speaker 3: enough it did. It came back on about one hundred
[1:54:28] Speaker 3: yards one hundred yards away from it over the field,
[1:54:30] Speaker 3: and this time it was close enough I could see
[1:54:33] Speaker 3: this red, stretchy light. It looked like taffy. The light
[1:54:35] Speaker 3: was stretched like caffy, and it looked like that with
[1:54:38] Speaker 3: the naked eye, and I thought, well, maybe my eyes
[1:54:40] Speaker 3: were curing up because I need to bleink, So I
[1:54:42] Speaker 3: wiped my eyes to make sure my eyes weren't curing up,
[1:54:44] Speaker 3: and the light looks stretchy like it looked like light
[1:54:48] Speaker 3: that had been stretched like happy and I could see
[1:54:51] Speaker 3: part of the craft, and so I took another picture
[1:54:53] Speaker 3: of this thing, and this thing started. All of a sudden,
[1:54:56] Speaker 3: this thing started moving at me. I mean, it started
[1:54:58] Speaker 3: coming right at me. And then I'm thinking, oh, man,
[1:55:01] Speaker 3: this thing is coming right at my truck. My truck
[1:55:03] Speaker 3: is sitting there and it's got all the lights on it.
[1:55:05] Speaker 3: It's lit up like a carnival out there at night.
[1:55:08] Speaker 3: There's lights all over this thing, and this thing's coming
[1:55:11] Speaker 3: right at me. I'm on top of the battery. This
[1:55:13] Speaker 3: thing is coming at me, and it's getting closer, and
[1:55:15] Speaker 3: I can see the I can see that the red
[1:55:17] Speaker 3: lights are coming from a compartment underneath, but it looks
[1:55:21] Speaker 3: like a disc and I can see the stars being
[1:55:24] Speaker 3: blocked out. And then I'm thinking, man, you know, I
[1:55:27] Speaker 3: don't really know how big this thing is. And I
[1:55:29] Speaker 3: kept looking at that compartment underneath the crab, and there
[1:55:32] Speaker 3: was lights being stretched, stretching coming out of it. And
[1:55:36] Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, I thought, well, I looked
[1:55:39] Speaker 3: up above me. For some reason, something moved up ahead,
[1:55:41] Speaker 3: right over my head and I looked up and I
[1:55:43] Speaker 3: seen the edge of the disk was blocking out the stars,
[1:55:45] Speaker 3: and it was starting to move right off the top
[1:55:47] Speaker 3: of me, and it looked like it was maybe thirty
[1:55:49] Speaker 3: or forty feet straight up above my head. And man,
[1:55:53] Speaker 3: it shocks scared me. I guess it just I never
[1:55:58] Speaker 3: had got never had went from being excited to scare
[1:56:01] Speaker 3: it so fast that when I looked up and seeing
[1:56:03] Speaker 3: that disk moving over the edge of me, my knees
[1:56:06] Speaker 3: just started checking. Man, I mean, I couldn't even I
[1:56:09] Speaker 3: was thinking, man, you need to run for your life.
[1:56:12] Speaker 3: And then I could already pull off a walk. It's
[1:56:14] Speaker 3: all I could do to go down the stairs. I
[1:56:17] Speaker 3: went down underneath the tanks and I shut the vout
[1:56:19] Speaker 3: and stopped the loading process because I had the load
[1:56:21] Speaker 3: rough process already started. And I was hiding my twenty
[1:56:24] Speaker 3: of tanks looking up at this thing. And I had
[1:56:27] Speaker 3: just pulled a bunch of oxygen into this tank. It's
[1:56:30] Speaker 3: extremely flammable and after you sucked auctionen in it intil it.
[1:56:32] Speaker 3: It's very explosive. And I got this UFO right above
[1:56:36] Speaker 3: this tank battery, and I'm sitting here in between these
[1:56:38] Speaker 3: tanks and I'm thinking, man, one sad expired, and this
[1:56:41] Speaker 3: ding is gonna go up like a bomb. My truck
[1:56:43] Speaker 3: is gonna go up, the whole location is gonna go up,
[1:56:46] Speaker 3: and it ain't nobody gonna know anything. And so I thought, man,
[1:56:50] Speaker 3: I need to get half from under here. And so
[1:56:53] Speaker 3: I decided I walked over behind this steel separator that
[1:56:56] Speaker 3: was a little bit other way, and it was hard
[1:56:58] Speaker 3: walking and all. And I walked over there, and I
[1:57:01] Speaker 3: hid behind the ship layer and I looked up. I
[1:57:02] Speaker 3: could see the disk over the battery. I could see
[1:57:04] Speaker 3: the there's a compartment underneath the craft. I think it's
[1:57:09] Speaker 3: probably like fifty I don't know, maybe sixty feet away
[1:57:13] Speaker 3: something like that. And all of a sudden, this big white,
[1:57:17] Speaker 3: bluish light came on inside that compartment, and the red
[1:57:21] Speaker 3: stretchy lights were still coming out of it and still
[1:57:23] Speaker 3: look just like they did before. And all of a
[1:57:26] Speaker 3: sudden I could see the I could see the window
[1:57:28] Speaker 3: sill port hole opening of this thing, just as clear
[1:57:31] Speaker 3: as daylight. And then that thing was something head and
[1:57:34] Speaker 3: shoulders staring and looking out at me. And man, I thought,
[1:57:38] Speaker 3: oh my god, you know this is a UFO. There's
[1:57:40] Speaker 3: et right there. Looking at me, and I took I
[1:57:44] Speaker 3: took my camera and I took one picture, and I
[1:57:46] Speaker 3: went back into my hot spot and I turned my
[1:57:48] Speaker 3: back and I looked around. I've seen all the darkness
[1:57:50] Speaker 3: around me, and I was just waiting for something it's
[1:57:53] Speaker 3: slimy hands and fingers to turn rushing out of the
[1:57:56] Speaker 3: dark at me. And I was, I mean, I thought
[1:57:58] Speaker 3: I was fixing it could be going away for a while,
[1:58:00] Speaker 3: and I kid you not, and it's it's no fun
[1:58:02] Speaker 3: when each t gets that close. And I was, I
[1:58:05] Speaker 3: was even thinking. I already thought, Man, if I see
[1:58:07] Speaker 3: something rushing at me, I'm gonna just chunk my phone
[1:58:10] Speaker 3: that way, maybe somebody will have a clue as or
[1:58:12] Speaker 3: what happened to me. And luckily nothing came rushing at me.
[1:58:17] Speaker 1: Uh.
[1:58:18] Speaker 3: Finally the distart backing away out over the field, and
[1:58:20] Speaker 3: I never felt so relieved in my whole life, man,
[1:58:22] Speaker 3: to see this thing back and away. This thing started
[1:58:24] Speaker 3: backing away from me, and it backed off that after
[1:58:27] Speaker 3: about one hundred yards from me over the field. The
[1:58:30] Speaker 3: lights went out on it and then I could hear
[1:58:32] Speaker 3: in the distance, I could hear the war, but a
[1:58:34] Speaker 3: military jet getting closer and closer and closer, and now
[1:58:38] Speaker 3: see this military jet fly right over the top is
[1:58:41] Speaker 3: It was so low that I could actually see the
[1:58:43] Speaker 3: jet from where I was at. It flew right over
[1:58:45] Speaker 3: the top of the battery where this thing was at.
[1:58:48] Speaker 3: I mean, it flew right to the point where the
[1:58:50] Speaker 3: UFO was And I thought, man, I could see a
[1:58:53] Speaker 3: dog fight, a collision or something. And this this jet
[1:58:56] Speaker 3: just made a big sweeping circle out there and then
[1:59:00] Speaker 3: just just circled and left the location. And I thought, well,
[1:59:04] Speaker 3: I can't believe he didn't see anything, you know, that
[1:59:06] Speaker 3: thing that he didn't see nothing, Nothing happened. The jet
[1:59:09] Speaker 3: just made a big sweeping circle and he took off
[1:59:11] Speaker 3: back towards the Dice Air Force Space and he wasn't
[1:59:13] Speaker 3: even out of side that I could still see the
[1:59:14] Speaker 3: lights on the tail end of the jet when the
[1:59:17] Speaker 3: UFO lights came back on out there. The UFO lights
[1:59:21] Speaker 3: came back on out there for a little bit, and
[1:59:23] Speaker 3: then they went back off again. And I'm talking, man,
[1:59:25] Speaker 3: the jet didn't secure them at all. Man, they didn't
[1:59:28] Speaker 3: they didn't hide, they didn't leave, They just I don't
[1:59:31] Speaker 3: know if they just went to the ground, or if
[1:59:33] Speaker 3: they just went invisible or what they did, but the
[1:59:35] Speaker 3: jet never never encountered them. But by this time, there
[1:59:38] Speaker 3: was there was a cluster of four lights that started
[1:59:40] Speaker 3: circling over my head. There was just making a big
[1:59:43] Speaker 3: circle around my location and they were slowly winding down,
[1:59:47] Speaker 3: and I kept and every now and the lights over
[1:59:49] Speaker 3: the field were coming on and off. So I'm sitting here,
[1:59:51] Speaker 3: I'm trying to load my crudle, I'm trying to do
[1:59:53] Speaker 3: my job. I'm watching the UFO over the field. I'm
[1:59:55] Speaker 3: watching these weird array of lights that are doing a
[1:59:58] Speaker 3: circle over my head. So I've got a lot going on.
[2:00:01] Speaker 3: And the jets are gone there. They don't seem like
[2:00:03] Speaker 3: they're coming back. They're not looking for anything. They just
[2:00:05] Speaker 3: made one big sweeping left. Well, this thing is foveling
[2:00:09] Speaker 3: down and it's getting closer, and it was fixing to
[2:00:13] Speaker 3: be approaching me from the other side of the truck.
[2:00:14] Speaker 3: So I stopped the loading process once again, walked around
[2:00:16] Speaker 3: my truck so I could get a picture, and we
[2:00:18] Speaker 3: started looking getting this memory full warnings on my camera
[2:00:22] Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, man, I want to get a picture
[2:00:24] Speaker 3: of whatever this is. And it was like four lights
[2:00:27] Speaker 3: in the front light had had a blinking light like
[2:00:30] Speaker 3: maybe an airplane light, but it was no repeating sequence.
[2:00:33] Speaker 3: It was an oddist sequence you would ever see, and
[2:00:37] Speaker 3: it wasn't repeating like an airplane light would. And I thought, well,
[2:00:40] Speaker 3: it's just like four craft line information or something, because
[2:00:43] Speaker 3: it's really big. And as this thing was started coming
[2:00:47] Speaker 3: at me, I could see the cloud, I could see
[2:00:49] Speaker 3: the night sky started rolling wide with like a fall.
[2:00:53] Speaker 3: And you see the movie Independence Day when the big
[2:00:55] Speaker 3: craft starts come rolling out of the smoke and steam
[2:00:57] Speaker 3: and you can't really see it for all the smoky
[2:00:59] Speaker 3: steam coming up off of it. That's exactly the way
[2:01:01] Speaker 3: this thing looked. There was a big ball of rolling
[2:01:03] Speaker 3: steam coming at me from the sky and the first
[2:01:07] Speaker 3: thing I seen was it looked like an arrow tip
[2:01:09] Speaker 3: coming out of it. And on the very front of
[2:01:12] Speaker 3: the arrow tip there was something hot and it was
[2:01:14] Speaker 3: like flashing on fire. Then the wind would blow it out.
[2:01:17] Speaker 3: It was something that was hot. It was reacting to
[2:01:19] Speaker 3: the air passing over it. And what I thought was
[2:01:20] Speaker 3: a light was something hot on the very tip of
[2:01:23] Speaker 3: this thing, and it looked like an aero tip. This
[2:01:25] Speaker 3: thing started emerging from the steam, and what I thought
[2:01:28] Speaker 3: might be small was it was incredibly huge. Man, this
[2:01:30] Speaker 3: thing was large. They kept coming out and it kept
[2:01:34] Speaker 3: coming and man, this thing was like it was like
[2:01:37] Speaker 3: fifty yards on fifty seventy yards on both sides of me.
[2:01:40] Speaker 3: I mean, if this thing would have fell out of
[2:01:41] Speaker 3: the sky, it would have crushed me, the tank, battery,
[2:01:43] Speaker 3: the truck, the whole location. This thing was you mongous.
[2:01:47] Speaker 3: It was blocking out the biggest part of the stars
[2:01:49] Speaker 3: and the skies that started passing over my head. It
[2:01:51] Speaker 3: looked like solid rock. It I was looking at the
[2:01:54] Speaker 3: surface of the Moon. I could see the impact marks,
[2:01:56] Speaker 3: I could see burn marks, I could see craters on
[2:01:59] Speaker 3: the damn thing. It looked like it was solid rock.
[2:02:02] Speaker 3: And then for a minute I thought, man, this is
[2:02:03] Speaker 3: like killer meteor. This is like a meter that's coming
[2:02:06] Speaker 3: in to take us all out. Man. It looked like
[2:02:09] Speaker 3: a big, huge rock. And this thing was probably it
[2:02:12] Speaker 3: was maybe two hundred to three hundred feet above me
[2:02:15] Speaker 3: straight up, so it was low enough even at nighttime. Man,
[2:02:18] Speaker 3: I could see the bottom of it pretty good. And
[2:02:21] Speaker 3: it took three to four seconds to pass over me,
[2:02:24] Speaker 3: and it covered it was like fifty yards on east
[2:02:26] Speaker 3: side of me. I mean, this thing was massive, monster.
[2:02:29] Speaker 3: I mean it filled the sky. I had a sky
[2:02:32] Speaker 3: for over Ufo. This thing was monstrous, man, And I
[2:02:35] Speaker 3: kept watching this thing and it was passing over me.
[2:02:37] Speaker 3: Took three or four seconds to move over me. And
[2:02:40] Speaker 3: then the first part that had moved over this thing
[2:02:42] Speaker 3: started slowing down and I seen a big pipe sticking
[2:02:44] Speaker 3: out of the bottom of it. I'm when I mean pipe.
[2:02:46] Speaker 3: This thing was like ten feet like a big bale
[2:02:49] Speaker 3: or something hanging out of the bottom of it. I thought, okay,
[2:02:51] Speaker 3: that's not a meteor. I mean, there's don't have bail
[2:02:53] Speaker 3: shaped pipes hanging out of the bottom of them. Then
[2:02:55] Speaker 3: I seen another one, and this thing starts slowing down,
[2:03:00] Speaker 3: and I mean I got a huge, monsterrous ufo right
[2:03:03] Speaker 3: over the top of my head. I mean, if this
[2:03:04] Speaker 3: thing would have felled the ground, you literally need a
[2:03:06] Speaker 3: golf cart to drive around it. Man, I mean you can't.
[2:03:09] Speaker 3: I couldn't see most of the stars in the sky
[2:03:11] Speaker 3: because of this thing and it and it was almost
[2:03:14] Speaker 3: you could feel the change in the temperature at this thing.
[2:03:17] Speaker 3: It was like the temperature had changed. And you can
[2:03:20] Speaker 3: hear on the part of the video that I recorded,
[2:03:23] Speaker 3: you can hear it sound like the pressure of the
[2:03:24] Speaker 3: truck idle and changed like this thing. You know, it
[2:03:28] Speaker 3: was effect it was, it was there, and it starts
[2:03:31] Speaker 3: slowing down and the first part started tipping up in
[2:03:33] Speaker 3: the air like a skyscraper. Now it start going up
[2:03:35] Speaker 3: in the air instead of going flat across the ground.
[2:03:38] Speaker 3: It started tipping up. And this thing, I mean now
[2:03:40] Speaker 3: it's standing up almost like it's vertical. And this thing
[2:03:43] Speaker 3: got a little ways up in the air and then
[2:03:45] Speaker 3: it it just shot off sideway and this thing took
[2:03:49] Speaker 3: off so fast it didn't make any noise. It made
[2:03:51] Speaker 3: huge air vo taxes it created. It took off so
[2:03:54] Speaker 3: fast that it made a huge air rolling vortexes behind it,
[2:03:58] Speaker 3: almost like tornadoes. Man, that this thing cast such a
[2:04:01] Speaker 3: vacuum when it left, and uh, you can see the
[2:04:04] Speaker 3: fog that was trapped on the surface of the thing
[2:04:06] Speaker 3: and being swept over it like water over the waterfall.
[2:04:08] Speaker 3: And this big, monstrous thing was moving off so fast.
[2:04:10] Speaker 3: And I was over with this camera going this is
[2:04:12] Speaker 3: the picture of a lifetime and you don't want to
[2:04:14] Speaker 3: miss it. And I thought, my god, I'm looking at
[2:04:17] Speaker 3: my display screen into my whole eye as big as
[2:04:19] Speaker 3: this thing is, I'm looking at solid white. I'm thinking
[2:04:22] Speaker 3: I got one shot, one shot left, and I've got nothing,
[2:04:25] Speaker 3: and I've got a sky full of YFO and there's
[2:04:27] Speaker 3: nothing on my display screen and got to catch this.
[2:04:31] Speaker 3: I've got people have got to see this and this,
[2:04:34] Speaker 3: and if only I think in this thing, this movie
[2:04:36] Speaker 3: is so fast. I'm thinking I'm fixing and just miss
[2:04:38] Speaker 3: it all together. I don't make an attempt. So I
[2:04:41] Speaker 3: pointed the eye real steady at the thing and I
[2:04:43] Speaker 3: hit recording that thing. And by the time I hit
[2:04:45] Speaker 3: the recorder, but this thing did a flip. It went,
[2:04:48] Speaker 3: it went like this, and it just flipped and started
[2:04:50] Speaker 3: coming back at me. From now, instead of looking at
[2:04:53] Speaker 3: the bottom of this thing, I'm looking at the top
[2:04:54] Speaker 3: of this thing. On top of this thing, it looks
[2:04:56] Speaker 3: like a city built on the surface of this thing.
[2:04:58] Speaker 3: I mean, there's it looks like there's towers. It looks
[2:05:01] Speaker 3: like there was building like structures. It almost looks like
[2:05:05] Speaker 3: a coral reef looking building looking structures that are tiring
[2:05:08] Speaker 3: off the surface of it. There was a huge tire
[2:05:10] Speaker 3: with a giant light on it, and the ray of
[2:05:12] Speaker 3: lights even above that, there's blue for us at power
[2:05:15] Speaker 3: line that's coming down this thing, and stretching across the
[2:05:17] Speaker 3: surface of this thing. There's a giant roll of burning flares,
[2:05:21] Speaker 3: like there's some kind of refinery process going on. These
[2:05:24] Speaker 3: giant players shooting out fire and you couldn't even see
[2:05:27] Speaker 3: the smoke that was coming out of the fire that
[2:05:29] Speaker 3: they were jetting out on them. And there's so much
[2:05:33] Speaker 3: to see, it, so much to take in, and this thing,
[2:05:35] Speaker 3: I'm looking at it and it's coming back at me. Well,
[2:05:37] Speaker 3: let's getting close to them down start getting scared again.
[2:05:39] Speaker 3: I'm starting to think about the My camera already stopped
[2:05:42] Speaker 3: recording and it said memory four and at that point
[2:05:46] Speaker 3: I couldn't take any more video or the moment, no
[2:05:48] Speaker 3: more photos or nothing like that. And this thing's coming
[2:05:51] Speaker 3: at me, and I'm thinking about crawl underneath the frame
[2:05:52] Speaker 3: of my truck and hiding. And finally this thing stopped.
[2:05:56] Speaker 3: It made a big sweeping circle around my location and
[2:05:58] Speaker 3: it took off that a forty five degree angle, and
[2:06:01] Speaker 3: it was a giant craft moving across above the tree
[2:06:04] Speaker 3: the trees. It was probably a mile and total length.
[2:06:07] Speaker 3: It was a V shaped craft. I could it looked
[2:06:09] Speaker 3: like a cigar shaped but at one point it made
[2:06:12] Speaker 3: a little kip like that and I could see the
[2:06:14] Speaker 3: other leg on it. I could tell that it was
[2:06:16] Speaker 3: a V shaped craft. It was flying with the ends
[2:06:18] Speaker 3: of the V. First it was like a tight b
[2:06:22] Speaker 3: and this thing it had had structures on the surface
[2:06:25] Speaker 3: of it. And it went from being a huge craft
[2:06:27] Speaker 3: lie over the trees to just four lights moving across
[2:06:30] Speaker 3: the sky again like I had first scene, come down
[2:06:33] Speaker 3: and it, and it did it pretty quick. I mean
[2:06:35] Speaker 3: within about two seconds. It went from ground level to
[2:06:38] Speaker 3: up there in the sky to where it was just
[2:06:40] Speaker 3: lights moving across the sky again. And I actually got
[2:06:43] Speaker 3: a piece of that craft and you and you you've
[2:06:45] Speaker 3: seen some of the video that I've taken off that gap.
[2:06:47] Speaker 3: There's nothing on this thing. It was like it's ever
[2:06:49] Speaker 3: been touched by human hand. There's stuff on the surface
[2:06:52] Speaker 3: of this thing. I've been trying to analyze this and
[2:06:54] Speaker 3: get some of the best footage I could of it.
[2:06:56] Speaker 3: And there's stuff on the surface of this thing that
[2:06:58] Speaker 3: is not from Earth period. And I don't know now
[2:07:03] Speaker 3: I thought a f A A low craft. I had
[2:07:05] Speaker 3: some debunkers say, Man, if you really saw this, you
[2:07:07] Speaker 3: really said, are you willing to file a f A
[2:07:10] Speaker 3: A low craft report? I said, your dad gunm right,
[2:07:12] Speaker 3: I am. I said, I've seen the craft. I know
[2:07:14] Speaker 3: what I've seen. I seen it with my eyes. I
[2:07:16] Speaker 3: caught a piece of it with my camera. And uh
[2:07:20] Speaker 3: and I said, I can guarantee you I have had
[2:07:22] Speaker 3: no problem I had. I thought a fa A low
[2:07:24] Speaker 3: craft report. I never mentioned the word UFO, and the
[2:07:26] Speaker 3: whole report we did a phone conference call the f
[2:07:30] Speaker 3: A A. The final we did a phone conference call
[2:07:32] Speaker 3: that said that every all known craft in the area
[2:07:34] Speaker 3: had been accounted for without incident, and I should report
[2:07:38] Speaker 3: my UFO to new for It National UFFO Report Center.
[2:07:41] Speaker 3: And I thought, what the fa A just called this
[2:07:43] Speaker 3: a UFO. So not only did the FAA said it's
[2:07:46] Speaker 3: a UFO, they don't know what it is. I've got
[2:07:49] Speaker 3: pictures of it, I've got videos of it, and it
[2:07:51] Speaker 3: ain't nothing on there recognizable by human hand. And uh So,
[2:07:57] Speaker 3: if that ain't some pretty good solid evidence that they're
[2:07:59] Speaker 3: they're here, I don't know what else it is.
[2:08:01] Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, definitely. And I really like the detail
[2:08:04] Speaker 1: that you have accounting for your story. It's it's great
[2:08:07] Speaker 1: that you can recall everything with such detail like that.
[2:08:11] Speaker 1: Now I want to get to some of your other encounters.
[2:08:13] Speaker 1: Did you have any questions writer for running real quick?
[2:08:17] Speaker 4: Just that that's an amazing, amazing experience. I probably would
[2:08:22] Speaker 4: have freaked out and probably peed my pants. So it's
[2:08:28] Speaker 4: great the the you're like Chris said, to recall all
[2:08:31] Speaker 4: of the the very detailed experience of that, you know,
[2:08:37] Speaker 4: and it's a shame that your camera didn't get the
[2:08:40] Speaker 4: entire shot and it was memory full. It seems to
[2:08:44] Speaker 4: happen all the time, whenever interesting things happen and we
[2:08:46] Speaker 4: see things like our technology just seems to screw up
[2:08:49] Speaker 4: all you.
[2:08:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're going to share as many of those
[2:08:53] Speaker 1: pictures as we can towards the end here. Uh So
[2:08:55] Speaker 1: when we got we got a little time left, So Runny,
[2:08:58] Speaker 1: what was the next encounter that happened? When did you
[2:09:01] Speaker 1: actually encounter some of these.
[2:09:03] Speaker 3: Being We've been seeing a lot of anomalies around the house,
[2:09:09] Speaker 3: like a lot of people do, and I've caught a
[2:09:11] Speaker 3: lot of them on video and stuff. I won't spend
[2:09:13] Speaker 3: a whole lot of time on some of that footage
[2:09:15] Speaker 3: is available on my Ronnie Dawk YouTube channel that you
[2:09:18] Speaker 3: could check out anomalies. A lot of standing Romanac and
[2:09:21] Speaker 3: other people that have seen UFOs. It's like the ete
[2:09:24] Speaker 3: comes to your house, pays you a visit. You see
[2:09:27] Speaker 3: some odd stuff, and I've caught some of it on camera,
[2:09:29] Speaker 3: and some of the oddest stuff I haven't been able
[2:09:31] Speaker 3: to catch on camera. But there's definitely some weird stuff
[2:09:35] Speaker 3: going on here around the house. And I was convinced
[2:09:37] Speaker 3: that not only where I seen them, they'd follow me home.
[2:09:40] Speaker 3: They know where I live. They've been in my house.
[2:09:43] Speaker 3: They ransacked my house, so they definitely know where I live,
[2:09:47] Speaker 3: and so I was kind of wondering where all this
[2:09:50] Speaker 3: was going to head. Well about I think it was
[2:09:54] Speaker 3: August in twenty seventeen. I was working night, so I'd
[2:09:57] Speaker 3: come home from work and I went come in, come
[2:10:00] Speaker 3: on from work about three am, and I went to
[2:10:01] Speaker 3: bed and I usually sleep about ten or eleven hours
[2:10:04] Speaker 3: late as I can because I have to work the
[2:10:06] Speaker 3: next night as well. So it's about nine o'clock in
[2:10:08] Speaker 3: the morning. About nine o'clock in the morning, I'm sleeping away.
[2:10:12] Speaker 3: My wife is up doing her stuff. Because it's early
[2:10:14] Speaker 3: in the morning, she's up doing her thing, and it's
[2:10:16] Speaker 3: daylight outside that I keep my bedroom kind of dark
[2:10:19] Speaker 3: where I can kind of sleep and anyway, I'm sleeping away,
[2:10:23] Speaker 3: not even dreaming. All of a sudden, I have this
[2:10:25] Speaker 3: weird dream that these two females are pulling on my arms,
[2:10:28] Speaker 3: and I'm thinking what, And then I slip out of
[2:10:31] Speaker 3: the grass, and then I'm like, man, that was I dream.
[2:10:34] Speaker 3: You know. I didn't wake up, but I didn't fully
[2:10:37] Speaker 3: wake up, but I felt like I was no. I thought,
[2:10:39] Speaker 3: that's a just a dream, Go back to sleep, and
[2:10:41] Speaker 3: then so I started dreaming again. Next thing, you know,
[2:10:43] Speaker 3: it seemed like I all of a sudden, they got
[2:10:45] Speaker 3: me again. These two females got me, and they're pulling
[2:10:47] Speaker 3: on me. They feel like they're pulling me out of
[2:10:49] Speaker 3: a man home cover. One of them looks at me
[2:10:51] Speaker 3: right in the eyes, says, help us, and I realized
[2:10:54] Speaker 3: that I'm stuck and they're trying to pull me loose
[2:10:56] Speaker 3: for something I don't know. I feel like I'm stuck
[2:10:58] Speaker 3: in a manhole and they're pulling away at me, and
[2:11:01] Speaker 3: I'm struggling to get looks from whatever's holding me, and
[2:11:03] Speaker 3: they're trying to help me the best they can, and
[2:11:05] Speaker 3: finally they pull me looks and all of a sudden,
[2:11:09] Speaker 3: I'm standing up there beside them, and the first thing
[2:11:12] Speaker 3: they do is start apologizes, and it was said, well,
[2:11:14] Speaker 3: sorry we were disturbing your rest. We're we've been observing
[2:11:17] Speaker 3: you or from another world, and we need to have
[2:11:20] Speaker 3: a conversation. And I'm like, I'm thinking, on what is
[2:11:25] Speaker 3: going on? You have to first, you have to realize
[2:11:27] Speaker 3: you have to come to terms with what's going on.
[2:11:30] Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, well, is this a dream? Is this
[2:11:32] Speaker 3: really what is going on? But I realized I look around.
[2:11:34] Speaker 3: I'm in my bedroom, for there's no doubt in my bedroom,
[2:11:37] Speaker 3: I'm talking to two females. There's no doubt that.
[2:11:40] Speaker 1: Now, were they, you know, completely solid? Did they look
[2:11:43] Speaker 1: like they were just there with you?
[2:11:45] Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean they looked solid to me, and you know,
[2:11:48] Speaker 3: but I was standing and they said, they said, we
[2:11:51] Speaker 3: pull it said, they said, we need to have a conversation.
[2:11:54] Speaker 3: They said, this is a place where the people from
[2:11:56] Speaker 3: your world and the people are our world are going
[2:11:57] Speaker 3: to meet. And the people of our world are anxious
[2:11:59] Speaker 3: and me you, and we want to make open contact
[2:12:02] Speaker 3: with you, and we need to have a conversation with you.
[2:12:04] Speaker 3: And we've been watching you. And I'm thinking, okay, this serious.
[2:12:09] Speaker 3: And when I'm first I'm thinking it's this blue. I'm
[2:12:11] Speaker 3: talking to this blue.
[2:12:13] Speaker 2: Uh.
[2:12:13] Speaker 3: This one lady she's got she's tall, athletic, has short
[2:12:17] Speaker 3: black hair, and she's pretty close to my face. She's
[2:12:19] Speaker 3: got all this. She has this big rubie on her
[2:12:22] Speaker 3: left cheek. She has a diamond on her forehead and
[2:12:24] Speaker 3: a tattoo on her cheek, and I'm thinking this is
[2:12:26] Speaker 3: some kind of a hippi chick or something man. And
[2:12:28] Speaker 3: I'm thinking, if this is a prank of my wife,
[2:12:30] Speaker 3: I don't know. I know my wife's friends, I don't
[2:12:32] Speaker 3: know any of these, any of they look like this,
[2:12:35] Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, who in the world this is? And
[2:12:38] Speaker 3: then I look over her friend and her friend she's
[2:12:41] Speaker 3: got big hair, and you can see something sticking out
[2:12:44] Speaker 3: of the tip of her hair, and then she looks
[2:12:46] Speaker 3: like a She looks like a human in her face,
[2:12:48] Speaker 3: but right there on the tip of her her nose,
[2:12:50] Speaker 3: her eyebrows and eyes look like a human, but her
[2:12:53] Speaker 3: nose turns into a wine's mouth. And even her upper
[2:12:56] Speaker 3: lip has these big whiskers that are trimmed off, sticking
[2:12:59] Speaker 3: out of it, and it's still like a line's mouth.
[2:13:02] Speaker 3: And I'm and I'm looking at that, going oh, okay,
[2:13:05] Speaker 3: now now, if this is a cost and this is
[2:13:07] Speaker 3: a dad gun good one. I mean, because I'm close
[2:13:11] Speaker 3: and personal looking at this, going okay, this is okay,
[2:13:15] Speaker 3: and they said we're not okay. Now I start realizing, okay,
[2:13:18] Speaker 3: all right, so this is a possibility of what they're
[2:13:20] Speaker 3: saying is not bullcrap, right, And they said that I'm
[2:13:24] Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna I'm safe, I'm not gonna be harmed.
[2:13:26] Speaker 3: They said, I'm sleeping. I said, my body is sleeping
[2:13:30] Speaker 3: peacefully in the bed. And I looked, and there's somebody
[2:13:31] Speaker 3: in my bed right where I sleep, and I'm not
[2:13:34] Speaker 3: I don't know it's me because I'm here now, I'm
[2:13:36] Speaker 3: not convinced that it's me. I want to go look
[2:13:40] Speaker 3: down on my own face and see if it's me.
[2:13:42] Speaker 3: So I tried to take a step and I fell
[2:13:43] Speaker 3: forward and I stick my arm out and my arm
[2:13:45] Speaker 3: hit on the leg every who's in the bed, and
[2:13:48] Speaker 3: I fell and I supported myself for a second, but
[2:13:50] Speaker 3: then my hand went right through the bone. It felt
[2:13:53] Speaker 3: like I broke the leg of over who that is,
[2:13:56] Speaker 3: and I felt the softness of the maculus underneath the bone.
[2:13:59] Speaker 3: It slap. My hand went right through the leg and
[2:14:02] Speaker 3: then that freaked me out, and I pulled my hand
[2:14:03] Speaker 3: back and there, and then I looked down on my
[2:14:06] Speaker 3: legs and see why I can't walk, And it looks
[2:14:07] Speaker 3: like I don't have no legs. I mean, it looks
[2:14:10] Speaker 3: like my legs are cut off at the knees. I
[2:14:12] Speaker 3: can see the bed starts my legs in. I can't
[2:14:15] Speaker 3: see through the bed or anything. It just looks like
[2:14:17] Speaker 3: I'm my legs didn't make the trip or something. I
[2:14:20] Speaker 3: don't know. And I'm freaking out. Go work. My legs
[2:14:22] Speaker 3: are out there. And they weighed me out of this
[2:14:25] Speaker 3: bed like a drunk. Really, they got me by the arm, say,
[2:14:28] Speaker 3: dragged me out of this bed. And then all of
[2:14:29] Speaker 3: a sudden, I can see my legs again, and I'm realizing, oh,
[2:14:32] Speaker 3: and they start telling me, now look in this place,
[2:14:35] Speaker 3: said this is why the people your world may refer
[2:14:37] Speaker 3: to as a time slip or something like this and
[2:14:40] Speaker 3: an alternate reality. And I'm going, okay. She goes, well,
[2:14:45] Speaker 3: now look here, you could we can move the physical
[2:14:47] Speaker 3: matter here, said, so don't panic, You're safe. We ain't
[2:14:49] Speaker 3: gonna let no harm come to here. And she told
[2:14:51] Speaker 3: me to put my hand on the field. The cat
[2:14:53] Speaker 3: lays and she said, put your hand on her face.
[2:14:56] Speaker 3: And she said, now just hold steal and she said,
[2:14:59] Speaker 3: now push. I started putting. I could fill her hair,
[2:15:01] Speaker 3: I could feel her skin, and as I started pushing,
[2:15:03] Speaker 3: my hands start sinking into her skull and then I
[2:15:06] Speaker 3: could feel the inside of her brain matter and almost
[2:15:08] Speaker 3: felt like my fingers were wet. And I jerked my
[2:15:11] Speaker 3: hand back and I was like, man, that is nasty,
[2:15:13] Speaker 3: and but my hand wasn't wet, but it felt wet,
[2:15:18] Speaker 3: and I was going, all right, okay, yeah, and I
[2:15:21] Speaker 3: said okay, I said, I said, I see, I see,
[2:15:23] Speaker 3: she goes, this is the place for the people of
[2:15:25] Speaker 3: your worder and the people are were going to meet
[2:15:27] Speaker 3: safe from viral bacterial harm here, and I said, we
[2:15:31] Speaker 3: don't want to biological cross contamination of our worlds will
[2:15:33] Speaker 3: be bad for both our worlds. And she said, we're
[2:15:36] Speaker 3: safe from physical violence here, and I'm going I see you.
[2:15:38] Speaker 3: I said yeah. I said a gun wouldn't even work here,
[2:15:42] Speaker 3: and uh. They kind of looked at each other, like
[2:15:44] Speaker 3: should we telling and they said, well, they said, we
[2:15:48] Speaker 3: have weapons that work that would do work here, and
[2:15:51] Speaker 3: sadly battles have been fought here, but we would never
[2:15:53] Speaker 3: use them against you. And I'm going, okay, And then
[2:15:58] Speaker 3: all of a sudden, guess who comes walking through the bedroom.
[2:16:00] Speaker 3: Because my wife walking through the bedroom, I can see
[2:16:02] Speaker 3: her plane as day, and I'm seeing her talking to
[2:16:05] Speaker 3: two females. My wife is like ten feet away, walking
[2:16:08] Speaker 3: on the other side of the bed, on their way
[2:16:09] Speaker 3: to the bathroom, fully dressed, and I'm looking at them
[2:16:14] Speaker 3: and looking at her like, why don't you see this?
[2:16:16] Speaker 3: They said, they can't. This is where we've been observing you.
[2:16:19] Speaker 3: They can't see or hear us from here. I said,
[2:16:21] Speaker 3: We've been observing you for a long time here, and
[2:16:24] Speaker 3: she went on to this. She went in and told me.
[2:16:26] Speaker 3: She was telling me a little story about how they
[2:16:28] Speaker 3: found us. In the latter part of the forties are
[2:16:29] Speaker 3: nuclear testings and light radiation off one of their planets.
[2:16:32] Speaker 3: They had been in an inter dimensional battle with the
[2:16:35] Speaker 3: malevolent species that had tacked them without provocation and tried
[2:16:38] Speaker 3: to enslave them at one point, and they had they
[2:16:41] Speaker 3: had set up some I guess, some defensive countermeasures, and
[2:16:46] Speaker 3: and they were wonder why their defensive countermeasures didn't react
[2:16:48] Speaker 3: to the light and radiation, and further investigation, they found
[2:16:51] Speaker 3: us in the latter point of the forties, and God
[2:16:53] Speaker 3: only knows what the whole story is. And maybe they
[2:16:56] Speaker 3: shot down the ones aid where ross will you know?
[2:16:59] Speaker 3: Because they were looking for malevelm species that had attacked
[2:17:01] Speaker 3: them when they thought maybe this was a stage ardor
[2:17:03] Speaker 3: for one of their attacks. And we were an allegiance
[2:17:06] Speaker 3: with those guys, and so they were very cautious and
[2:17:11] Speaker 3: and doing research to find out exactly who we want.
[2:17:13] Speaker 3: We wore exactly, so they didn't rush into anything. And
[2:17:15] Speaker 3: they've been watching us for quite a while. And that
[2:17:17] Speaker 3: would make it that they spoke English with her mouths,
[2:17:20] Speaker 3: and that would make sense. While they spoke English as
[2:17:22] Speaker 3: good as I do, I've been speaking English it's nineteen sixty.
[2:17:25] Speaker 3: If they've been here since the latter four of the forties,
[2:17:27] Speaker 3: they've been speaking English ten years longer than me. So
[2:17:29] Speaker 3: why wouldn't they know how to speak English? She spoke
[2:17:32] Speaker 3: very proper English, not texting like I speak. Even the
[2:17:35] Speaker 3: cat ladies spoke English. But you could tell she had
[2:17:38] Speaker 3: trouble speaking. Her mouth wouldn't made right pronounce certain syllables,
[2:17:41] Speaker 3: and even like a person with the speeching pedament, you
[2:17:44] Speaker 3: could tell when she had a problem. She was intelligent
[2:17:46] Speaker 3: enough to read word hers whatever she was trying to
[2:17:49] Speaker 3: say that so that she wouldn't have that problem again.
[2:17:51] Speaker 3: And they said the cat lady was their geneticist. And
[2:17:57] Speaker 3: I think the part of the Blue Lady was maybe
[2:17:58] Speaker 3: the pilot. I'm not sure exactly what her what her
[2:18:01] Speaker 3: world was. And uh, they bugged me for they said,
[2:18:05] Speaker 3: they said, we've been tasked with collecting a genetic sample.
[2:18:08] Speaker 3: We'd appreciated if you, you know, let us connect a
[2:18:11] Speaker 3: genetic sample from you. You don't have to, they say,
[2:18:14] Speaker 3: strictly voluntarily. And I said, look, I said, you want
[2:18:17] Speaker 3: the people your people your world want to meet to
[2:18:19] Speaker 3: people of our world, and I want the people of
[2:18:20] Speaker 3: our world to meet the people of your world. And
[2:18:22] Speaker 3: I said, I'm willing to help you do whatever it
[2:18:24] Speaker 3: takes to make this happen. I'm willing to take one
[2:18:27] Speaker 3: for the team if I have to whatever whatever I
[2:18:29] Speaker 3: got to do to get this done. You know, it
[2:18:31] Speaker 3: seemed like the right thing to say at the time.
[2:18:34] Speaker 3: I was in the situation to say it, and it
[2:18:37] Speaker 3: just felt like the right thing to say. And uh,
[2:18:39] Speaker 3: and she told me they even had the clothing. They said,
[2:18:42] Speaker 3: they said, just watching our world has affected the world.
[2:18:44] Speaker 3: That they were wearing clothing items that were copied from
[2:18:47] Speaker 3: watching our world that there the people of the world
[2:18:50] Speaker 3: had fell in love with. She said, they were ritualistic
[2:18:53] Speaker 3: clothing there, but they didn't wear clothing on the day
[2:18:55] Speaker 3: to today basis like we do. But after observing us,
[2:18:57] Speaker 3: some things have become proper. Low yoga pants for one,
[2:19:01] Speaker 3: and the blue jeans and the other like cat Lady
[2:19:03] Speaker 3: him on a white blast for some reason. That, yeah,
[2:19:06] Speaker 3: that's some of the items that had become popular in
[2:19:08] Speaker 3: their world. The females were wearing. And she said the
[2:19:11] Speaker 3: men weren't really privy to it because when they wanted
[2:19:13] Speaker 3: to have sex, they had to wait for the females
[2:19:16] Speaker 3: to take the clothing off. So I won't popular with
[2:19:19] Speaker 3: the man, but the women apparently like it.
[2:19:20] Speaker 1: That dang clothing always getting in the way.
[2:19:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the same way everywhere. Yes, So anyway,
[2:19:27] Speaker 3: so and I remember I was, I mean earlier in July,
[2:19:33] Speaker 3: I was at the Russell UFO Festival Nights talking to
[2:19:35] Speaker 3: Stanton Freeman and uh, and I was asking him, I said,
[2:19:41] Speaker 3: you know, I said, man if I was showing him
[2:19:42] Speaker 3: some of the pictures and a story that I had
[2:19:45] Speaker 3: caught while he was sitting in there in the conference,
[2:19:47] Speaker 3: and I told him, I said, you know, I said,
[2:19:49] Speaker 3: I give a chance to talk to these guys, you know,
[2:19:51] Speaker 3: why should I ask them? You know? And at one
[2:19:53] Speaker 3: point he told me he said, he said, tell them
[2:19:55] Speaker 3: to show you how they got you know. And I
[2:19:58] Speaker 3: remember that. I thought, hey, I said, can you guys.
[2:20:02] Speaker 3: You know, they're busy, they got something going on here
[2:20:04] Speaker 3: and they don't have time to ask that much of
[2:20:06] Speaker 3: my stupid questions. But I thought, can you show me
[2:20:08] Speaker 3: how you die? And you just show me how you
[2:20:09] Speaker 3: got it? They said, yeah, yeah, it's easy, they said.
[2:20:12] Speaker 3: They said, it's easy. We can show you said, she said,
[2:20:14] Speaker 3: all you have to do is walk through this wall.
[2:20:15] Speaker 3: Remember you can move this solid matter. Walk to this wall.
[2:20:18] Speaker 3: There's a plate glass winter right there, not a window,
[2:20:21] Speaker 3: but there's a picture there with a plate glass over
[2:20:24] Speaker 3: there over it. And she said, just walk to the
[2:20:26] Speaker 3: wall right here, and you'll be able to see my world,
[2:20:29] Speaker 3: she said. The blue lady said, you'll be able to
[2:20:30] Speaker 3: see my world. And I'm going just right to this
[2:20:33] Speaker 3: wall and she goes, she goes, yeah, just go, you know, hurry.
[2:20:36] Speaker 3: They're like, go ahead. Just go, You'll be all right.
[2:20:38] Speaker 3: Just go. And I think she meant for me just
[2:20:40] Speaker 3: to look through the wall, but I took it as
[2:20:42] Speaker 3: she wanted me to walk through the wall, so I
[2:20:44] Speaker 3: was going too slow. They were kind of kind of
[2:20:47] Speaker 3: hurried me, it looked like, and I was afraid the
[2:20:49] Speaker 3: glass is going to cut my face as I was
[2:20:51] Speaker 3: pushing through it. And I can feel it moving through
[2:20:53] Speaker 3: my eyes and my brain. I can feel the sheet
[2:20:54] Speaker 3: rock in the wall moving through my belly, and it
[2:20:57] Speaker 3: just felt unnatural and not normal. And inside the water
[2:21:00] Speaker 3: there was a two by four stud and I felt
[2:21:02] Speaker 3: you could feel it going through my right shoulder. Now
[2:21:04] Speaker 3: you could struggle to you could go through all the matter,
[2:21:06] Speaker 3: but it wouldn't like mist or smoke. Can't just walk
[2:21:09] Speaker 3: through it. It was like it's like you have a
[2:21:10] Speaker 3: little bit of mass and you had to struggle through
[2:21:13] Speaker 3: mass when you go through it. So I was having
[2:21:15] Speaker 3: to struggle through the wall. And even in the two
[2:21:17] Speaker 3: by four it was even more of a struggle to
[2:21:19] Speaker 3: get through it. And I even checked the wall where
[2:21:21] Speaker 3: I walked through it. There is a two before where
[2:21:23] Speaker 3: my right shoulder with a head. Anyway, I think she
[2:21:26] Speaker 3: meant for me to look through the wall. But I
[2:21:28] Speaker 3: walked through the wall and I ended up falling. I
[2:21:29] Speaker 3: fell in the outer space. I was hitting zero gravity
[2:21:33] Speaker 3: and the outer space. God only knows where this is at.
[2:21:36] Speaker 3: There was an alien planet off to my left. I
[2:21:39] Speaker 3: could see three major continents. I could see thin oceans.
[2:21:42] Speaker 3: I could see a frosty north and south pole. I
[2:21:45] Speaker 3: could only see one major in the lake. There was
[2:21:47] Speaker 3: a huge like one third of the planet had a
[2:21:48] Speaker 3: desert area, and there was a jungle area. Closer to
[2:21:51] Speaker 3: the oceans. I could see some beach lines on the
[2:21:54] Speaker 3: thin oceans that they had. The water looked very blue
[2:21:57] Speaker 3: and very pretty, but it wasn't wide oceans like by
[2:22:00] Speaker 3: no mean, and uh, I was taking all this angleh
[2:22:04] Speaker 3: my god, you know. And then I could see this rocky,
[2:22:06] Speaker 3: ugly looking moon that looked like Bobo some of Mars.
[2:22:09] Speaker 3: I mean, it was just a solid, ugly rock that
[2:22:11] Speaker 3: floated between me and the planet. And then I could
[2:22:14] Speaker 3: see another moon. I thought it was the sun there
[2:22:16] Speaker 3: for a while, but then I realized that it was
[2:22:18] Speaker 3: It's just another moon and the sunlight it is being
[2:22:22] Speaker 3: blocked from me. I'm actually looking at the dark side
[2:22:24] Speaker 3: of the planet. But there were so many stars in
[2:22:26] Speaker 3: the sky. It's like near the galactic center and the
[2:22:29] Speaker 3: light and there's so many stars in the sky, it's
[2:22:31] Speaker 3: like it can't get dark. It's like you could see
[2:22:33] Speaker 3: the dark side of the planet even from space. There's
[2:22:37] Speaker 3: just so much light there. Man, it's like it's never
[2:22:40] Speaker 3: really dark. So I realized that, man, and there's a
[2:22:43] Speaker 3: some kind of a anomaly in the sky looked like
[2:22:45] Speaker 3: a black hole with I mean it looked like a
[2:22:47] Speaker 3: black hole really. I mean it was you could see
[2:22:49] Speaker 3: it clearly right in the sky. And I drew a
[2:22:52] Speaker 3: sketch one of your pictures I give you as a
[2:22:53] Speaker 3: sketch of what I seen when I walked through the hole.
[2:22:56] Speaker 3: And as I was doing that slow forward flip and
[2:22:58] Speaker 3: I came back up, I was head over feet looking back,
[2:23:01] Speaker 3: and I thought, now I'm gonna be able to see
[2:23:03] Speaker 3: what I came out of it. And what I came
[2:23:05] Speaker 3: out of was this solid black crystalline blocks the box,
[2:23:09] Speaker 3: floating and out of space off this planet, not a
[2:23:12] Speaker 3: light on it, and no kind of technological nothing, just
[2:23:15] Speaker 3: a black crystalline blox floating in out of space outside
[2:23:19] Speaker 3: this planet. Now inside that box is apparently my bedroom. Somehow,
[2:23:23] Speaker 3: some way, I walked out of this thing and just
[2:23:26] Speaker 3: fell in out of orbit, in the orbit, out right
[2:23:29] Speaker 3: outside of your dadgone planet, man. And I didn't I
[2:23:32] Speaker 3: didn't need auction to breathe. I wasn't hot or cold.
[2:23:34] Speaker 3: I never felt hot or cold. And and I didn't
[2:23:37] Speaker 3: need to breathe oxygen here. I didn't feel any kind
[2:23:40] Speaker 3: of cold or any kind of suffocation or nothing like that.
[2:23:42] Speaker 3: I was able to just see as plain as day.
[2:23:45] Speaker 3: But I started getting feeling like I was getting sick
[2:23:47] Speaker 3: to my stomach because I had done about three of
[2:23:49] Speaker 3: these over the head flips now, and I was taking
[2:23:53] Speaker 3: everything in because man, I was like, I want to
[2:23:54] Speaker 3: remember every inch of this, you know, And and I
[2:23:58] Speaker 3: was thinking, fine, how am I gonna get back here?
[2:24:00] Speaker 3: I can't just call back in? And finally one of
[2:24:03] Speaker 3: them grabbed me by the shoulder, and I was in
[2:24:05] Speaker 3: zero grab you, of course, So I'm flipping around side
[2:24:08] Speaker 3: to side, and I'm afraid I'm gonna fly loose, so
[2:24:09] Speaker 3: I'm doing everything I can to hold onto her hand
[2:24:13] Speaker 3: to make sure I don't fly off. Because you can remember,
[2:24:15] Speaker 3: you can't grab somebody really good here because you're not
[2:24:19] Speaker 3: You don't have one hundred percent masks, So I was
[2:24:21] Speaker 3: scared to death. I was gonna fly off, so I
[2:24:23] Speaker 3: was trying to help hang on. She pulled me right
[2:24:25] Speaker 3: back to the wall. And now I'm in my bedroom
[2:24:27] Speaker 3: again and I'm standing up, going thank god. That was
[2:24:30] Speaker 3: That was a wild trip. There was a short trip,
[2:24:32] Speaker 3: but it was a wild one. I was glad to
[2:24:35] Speaker 3: be back. Wow.
[2:24:36] Speaker 1: Man, that's incredible. How how did this encounter end?
[2:24:42] Speaker 3: They wanted to collect this genant staff and I didn't
[2:24:44] Speaker 3: know how they planned on getting it and hid, but
[2:24:47] Speaker 3: I was willing to give it to them anyway they
[2:24:48] Speaker 3: wanted it. Whatever I needed to do to help them
[2:24:51] Speaker 3: out and be friends with them, staying good with them.
[2:24:54] Speaker 3: And she looked at me. She said, if you wouldn't mind,
[2:24:57] Speaker 3: you could just have sex with this. With our geneticis here,
[2:25:01] Speaker 3: she said she could get everything she needs from that.
[2:25:03] Speaker 3: And I'm going I think she just said sis sex
[2:25:07] Speaker 3: and I'm going just have sex, just have sex with her.
[2:25:11] Speaker 3: And they said yeah, they said. She said, I'll step
[2:25:13] Speaker 3: out and give you some privacy, you know, And she
[2:25:16] Speaker 3: said you don't have to if you don't want to.
[2:25:19] Speaker 3: And I look and man, you know this is this
[2:25:21] Speaker 3: is really, she goes, she said, And then she kind
[2:25:24] Speaker 3: of whispered in my ear. She said, she said, look,
[2:25:26] Speaker 3: she said, she said, on her world, she said, they
[2:25:29] Speaker 3: have She said, they have sex like the people of
[2:25:32] Speaker 3: your world shake hands and smiler strangers. And she said,
[2:25:36] Speaker 3: even the people in my world think it's odd. She said,
[2:25:39] Speaker 3: you don't have to, and I thought, well, yeah, I said, yeah,
[2:25:44] Speaker 3: you know, I'll do it. Okay, you know, i'll try,
[2:25:48] Speaker 3: I'll try, but anyway, yeah, she left. The other one was,
[2:25:52] Speaker 3: I mean, she starts stripping off what little this imitation
[2:25:56] Speaker 3: clothing that she had on, and I could see these
[2:25:58] Speaker 3: brilliant stripes on her body. She had this fur all
[2:26:01] Speaker 3: over her body. Shit, and then around her waist of
[2:26:03] Speaker 3: those blue jeans, she had a tail wrap, a huge
[2:26:06] Speaker 3: like a lion's tail, and this thing was whipping back
[2:26:09] Speaker 3: and forth. And she dumped on the bed and she said,
[2:26:11] Speaker 3: I've been watching you and your wife. And she asked
[2:26:13] Speaker 3: me at one point, but I thought she was pretty
[2:26:16] Speaker 3: as my wife. And I know enough about women that
[2:26:19] Speaker 3: when a woman asked you that the edswer was always yes.
[2:26:21] Speaker 3: You know, I said yes, you know, I wasn't about
[2:26:24] Speaker 3: to say yes except for your cat like mouth, so
[2:26:29] Speaker 3: I said, yes, yeah, even very pretty, you know. And
[2:26:31] Speaker 3: she said, I been watching you and your wife. I
[2:26:33] Speaker 3: want you to make me feel like she feels. And
[2:26:35] Speaker 3: she jumped up on the bed in a sexual position
[2:26:37] Speaker 3: at me and my wife had used frequently, and I thought,
[2:26:40] Speaker 3: oh my god, they've been watching everything. They have seen everything. Man,
[2:26:44] Speaker 3: there's nothing hidden here. They've been walking amongst us. They've
[2:26:48] Speaker 3: seen everything you've done. They've seen everything I've done. They
[2:26:51] Speaker 3: know it. They know it all, you know. And even
[2:26:53] Speaker 3: my wife had remarked at the time or two, she said,
[2:26:55] Speaker 3: I swear I see something in the dark watching her sometimes,
[2:26:58] Speaker 3: you know. And I maybe, But anyway, she got her
[2:27:03] Speaker 3: genetic sample. She jumped up, shot it. She got shot
[2:27:06] Speaker 3: to you jack at the into this beaker. They had
[2:27:08] Speaker 3: this yellow hand on this light started shining over it,
[2:27:11] Speaker 3: and these lights lit up on the handle of it.
[2:27:13] Speaker 3: And she said, we said, we have to synthesize it
[2:27:16] Speaker 3: when we collect it. Here we refer raw material. And
[2:27:20] Speaker 3: h I said, I said, well, you know, I've had
[2:27:22] Speaker 3: it for second me and I'm not the best genetic
[2:27:24] Speaker 3: sample that you can find here. There's way better. She said, no,
[2:27:26] Speaker 3: she said, yeah, to understand, we need a genetic. We said,
[2:27:29] Speaker 3: we needed biological genetic material from everybody, the masses of
[2:27:32] Speaker 3: the people. She said, not just a few people, She said,
[2:27:34] Speaker 3: we need the masses. They said, do you think the
[2:27:37] Speaker 3: masses if we had makeing open contact, the masses of
[2:27:40] Speaker 3: the population would donate us genetic I said, yeah, if
[2:27:44] Speaker 3: we if we had open contact on her friendly devices,
[2:27:46] Speaker 3: I believe they would and they and they asked me
[2:27:49] Speaker 3: at one point, you know how, you know, how should
[2:27:51] Speaker 3: we go about making contact? And I thought about it
[2:27:53] Speaker 3: for a minute. And at first the first thing I
[2:27:55] Speaker 3: told him, I said, you're gonna have to give that
[2:27:57] Speaker 3: guy laying in the bed there a piece of alien
[2:28:00] Speaker 3: machinery that does something that we're not capable of doing,
[2:28:02] Speaker 3: made out of material that we don't have, so that
[2:28:05] Speaker 3: I can convince the skepticist callers that I'm really in
[2:28:08] Speaker 3: conversation with you. And they said okay. And then I
[2:28:11] Speaker 3: thought about it. You know, they just somebody probably just
[2:28:13] Speaker 3: take it. It would end up in the warehouse and I
[2:28:15] Speaker 3: ended up locked away somewhere and I said, now, hold on,
[2:28:18] Speaker 3: I said, wait, I said, what would be better now?
[2:28:20] Speaker 3: I said, a global display of again prinsient. I said,
[2:28:22] Speaker 3: bring a big ship in flight around until everybody on
[2:28:26] Speaker 3: Earth has seen it. I said, it would be a
[2:28:27] Speaker 3: big wake up call for us. He was scared of
[2:28:29] Speaker 3: some of us. And I said, that's what we need.
[2:28:30] Speaker 3: I said, we need a wake up car. And I said,
[2:28:32] Speaker 3: we need we need a conversation with you. We need
[2:28:35] Speaker 3: to know that we're not alone in the universe. And
[2:28:38] Speaker 3: I said, there are people actually on our planet that
[2:28:40] Speaker 3: think that we're the only life in the whole wide universe.
[2:28:44] Speaker 3: And she looked at me like, surely y'all can't be
[2:28:46] Speaker 3: that stupid, right, But that's the way. She looked at me,
[2:28:48] Speaker 3: like what really, And I said no, I said that's
[2:28:54] Speaker 3: what I would do. And she said, all right, we'll
[2:28:56] Speaker 3: pass it on the others. And they said, but but
[2:28:58] Speaker 3: it's time for you to go back. And I thought, okay, well,
[2:29:01] Speaker 3: how do you want me to go back? And they said, well,
[2:29:02] Speaker 3: just lay on yourself and you'll go back. And so
[2:29:05] Speaker 3: I went over to where I was laying in bed.
[2:29:07] Speaker 3: I laying on top of myself. Nothing happened. I was
[2:29:10] Speaker 3: just laying there and I thought, man, I'm stuck here.
[2:29:12] Speaker 3: I can't get back now. And she I said, well,
[2:29:14] Speaker 3: it's not working. And she said, well, get up, she said,
[2:29:16] Speaker 3: staying here side the bed. And she said okay, and
[2:29:18] Speaker 3: I leap on yourself. And I said, well, you know,
[2:29:21] Speaker 3: I afraid when I go back there, I'm not gonna
[2:29:23] Speaker 3: remember any of this. And she said, she said, look, Ronner,
[2:29:25] Speaker 3: this is an alternate reality. She said, when the people
[2:29:27] Speaker 3: in your world meet the people of our world and
[2:29:29] Speaker 3: have a conversation, they're gonna remember everything that was done.
[2:29:32] Speaker 3: And said said, this is alternate reality. This is not
[2:29:35] Speaker 3: a sleep state. You're gonna remember every bit of this.
[2:29:37] Speaker 3: And I said awesome. And so I leaped on to myself. Man,
[2:29:41] Speaker 3: it felt like I felt five feet. It scared me. Man,
[2:29:43] Speaker 3: it fell out of my heart, fell out of my chest.
[2:29:45] Speaker 3: And as soon as I hit bottom, Man, I woke
[2:29:47] Speaker 3: up in that bed. The room looked identical to the
[2:29:49] Speaker 3: way it looked. My wife is wearing the same clothes
[2:29:51] Speaker 3: I sent her. Walked through the bedroom. Man, I mean
[2:29:54] Speaker 3: the lights coming in from the windows the same, the
[2:29:56] Speaker 3: lights coming in from the bedroom the same. The clothing
[2:30:01] Speaker 3: my wife is wearing was identical clothing I seen where
[2:30:04] Speaker 3: I checked the study in the wall that I went through.
[2:30:06] Speaker 3: My right shoulder, it's right where it should have been.
[2:30:08] Speaker 3: The picture that I walked through had a plate glass
[2:30:11] Speaker 3: over just like I remember they had. The next one
[2:30:13] Speaker 3: over didn't, but the one I walked through did have
[2:30:16] Speaker 3: a glass over the top of it, and I thought
[2:30:18] Speaker 3: everything fit like a glove, you know, it fit just
[2:30:21] Speaker 3: like a glove. Man.
[2:30:22] Speaker 2: It was.
[2:30:22] Speaker 3: There's not a hole in the story anywhere. I had
[2:30:26] Speaker 3: really incredible, real deal.
[2:30:29] Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that's that's that's a great h that's a
[2:30:31] Speaker 1: great recall of that account. Now I want to get
[2:30:34] Speaker 1: to the pictures writer. Did you have any questions for
[2:30:36] Speaker 1: Ronnie before we get to.
[2:30:37] Speaker 4: The Yes, Uh, Ronnie, that was an amazing story. I'm
[2:30:43] Speaker 4: just sitting back and trying to take that in because
[2:30:46] Speaker 4: that's some uh, some fantastical uh events that you had
[2:30:50] Speaker 4: happened to you. So I just kind of have one
[2:30:53] Speaker 4: question I wanted. It's kind of a silly question, but
[2:30:56] Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you in the middle of you
[2:30:58] Speaker 4: telling the story. But whenever you you were floating around, uh,
[2:31:02] Speaker 4: out in space, were the planets that you seen circular
[2:31:07] Speaker 4: and around?
[2:31:09] Speaker 3: Yeah? They were? Because I could see I could see
[2:31:11] Speaker 3: one planet that looked like a water planet. It was
[2:31:14] Speaker 3: close enough to the alien planet off to my left
[2:31:16] Speaker 3: and I could see blue on it, and I could
[2:31:18] Speaker 3: see wide on it, and it almost looked like a
[2:31:21] Speaker 3: water world. And uh, and the anomaly that was in
[2:31:25] Speaker 3: the sky, I think it was it was like the dark.
[2:31:28] Speaker 3: It was like galactic center, or maybe it was a pulsar,
[2:31:31] Speaker 3: but it was something that was sucking solar systems in.
[2:31:35] Speaker 3: You could see, man, it was. It was beautiful and
[2:31:37] Speaker 3: horrifying and the same breath. Man, I mean, if you
[2:31:40] Speaker 3: could see. Yeah, you see pictures from the whole telescope
[2:31:43] Speaker 3: and stuff for these things, but you know, see it
[2:31:46] Speaker 3: right there in the sky, up close and personal. And
[2:31:49] Speaker 3: in fact, there was a few times I was looking
[2:31:50] Speaker 3: at the planet I seen what looked like a gravity
[2:31:53] Speaker 3: wave move across the thing. And it made me wonder
[2:31:57] Speaker 3: that they was I really and out of space, or
[2:32:00] Speaker 3: whether they beat me up to a ship and they
[2:32:02] Speaker 3: would show me a projection on the wall. You know,
[2:32:05] Speaker 3: I have no idea if I was actually back is
[2:32:09] Speaker 3: wherever they came from in some other universe looking at
[2:32:12] Speaker 3: this stuff, or maybe they beat me up to their
[2:32:14] Speaker 3: ship and outer space and zero gravity and they were
[2:32:16] Speaker 3: shooting a projection on the wall, you know. So I'm
[2:32:20] Speaker 3: still I hadn't you know. I don't know exactly where
[2:32:23] Speaker 3: I was at, but I know it was a wow.
[2:32:26] Speaker 3: It was a wild ride, and I remember taking it.
[2:32:28] Speaker 3: I remember taking it in. I was like, you got it.
[2:32:31] Speaker 3: And that's why I made this sketch. You know. I
[2:32:33] Speaker 3: Roon Smith said, man, Ron has this important stuff, said
[2:32:35] Speaker 3: remember everything you can as quickly as you after the advance,
[2:32:38] Speaker 3: make a sketch up. And so I sketched this stuff
[2:32:41] Speaker 3: out as best I can remember it so I wouldn't
[2:32:43] Speaker 3: forget it.
[2:32:45] Speaker 4: Do you do you remember how they got you outside
[2:32:48] Speaker 4: of your body? Do you know if it was like
[2:32:50] Speaker 4: a technology that they used to get you outside of
[2:32:53] Speaker 4: your body? Because a lot of people this sounds like
[2:32:55] Speaker 4: an astral experience to me, and a lot of people
[2:32:58] Speaker 4: have to work hard and dedication and practice to be
[2:33:02] Speaker 4: able to get outside of their body. A lot of
[2:33:04] Speaker 4: people just can't do it right off the bat. So
[2:33:06] Speaker 4: do you think it was a technology that they were
[2:33:08] Speaker 4: using or some spiritual technology to get you outside of
[2:33:12] Speaker 4: your body?
[2:33:13] Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't think it had anything to do with
[2:33:15] Speaker 3: spiritual spirituality at all. It say like they were just
[2:33:18] Speaker 3: grabbing me and pulling me out, And in fact, I
[2:33:21] Speaker 3: even had to help them, you know. And like I said,
[2:33:23] Speaker 3: I'm not one of those people that astro travels. I
[2:33:26] Speaker 3: think I'm meditated twice in my whole life, and so
[2:33:31] Speaker 3: I'm not one of those kind of people that, you know,
[2:33:33] Speaker 3: I've never really bought much into that, but I've never
[2:33:36] Speaker 3: I kind of do now that I've seen that that
[2:33:38] Speaker 3: this place actually exists. That I always thought if your
[2:33:41] Speaker 3: consciousness left your body, your body died, you know, you're dead.
[2:33:45] Speaker 3: Now that I see that, now that I see that
[2:33:48] Speaker 3: the body is a blessed suit for the soul or
[2:33:51] Speaker 3: the spirit or the consciousness society, now it's like, man,
[2:33:54] Speaker 3: you know, I have no doubt that death is not
[2:33:56] Speaker 3: the end, that death is a transition, is something different.
[2:34:00] Speaker 1: So yeah, that's great. That's really cool. Now, Ronnie, while
[2:34:03] Speaker 1: I go ahead them to pull up these pictures. Do
[2:34:06] Speaker 1: you have any kind of overall thoughts on what these
[2:34:11] Speaker 1: extraterrestrial agendas may be? Do you think that there are
[2:34:14] Speaker 1: different factions with different agendas for humanity?
[2:34:20] Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I think these these are. And they told
[2:34:22] Speaker 3: me these guys have only been here since the forties,
[2:34:24] Speaker 3: and they said, they said that, no, they're not the
[2:34:26] Speaker 3: first et here, and they're not friendly with the other
[2:34:29] Speaker 3: et that have possibly been here, and in fact, they
[2:34:32] Speaker 3: come here looking for the people who had attacked them,
[2:34:35] Speaker 3: and they're still at war with these guys. So I mean, yeah,
[2:34:39] Speaker 3: I mean these yeah, these guys are they're not all
[2:34:43] Speaker 3: good and they're not all bad, you know, is the
[2:34:45] Speaker 3: way it seems to me. And they're certainly they told
[2:34:48] Speaker 3: me that they're certainly not alone in the universe, and
[2:34:50] Speaker 3: they're certainly not the only ones out there. And they
[2:34:52] Speaker 3: said we had butter Houl that the guys that attack
[2:34:55] Speaker 3: them don't find us. But they did say that now
[2:34:58] Speaker 3: that they found us, and that the people that want
[2:35:01] Speaker 3: to be friends with us, we are under their care
[2:35:03] Speaker 3: and protection to a certain degree.
[2:35:06] Speaker 1: Now, can you guys see the screen here? Can you
[2:35:09] Speaker 1: see Ronny's picture? Can you see Ronnie's picture here?
[2:35:16] Speaker 3: Yes? Sorry? Ours muted?
[2:35:18] Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, Now, Ronnie, what are we looking at here?
[2:35:21] Speaker 1: They're not in any particular order, so just kind of
[2:35:23] Speaker 1: tell us what we're looking at.
[2:35:25] Speaker 3: Okay. The pictures on the left side are the pictures
[2:35:28] Speaker 3: I took in in twenty eleven of the ship that
[2:35:31] Speaker 3: passed over me in the oil field that I took
[2:35:33] Speaker 3: from my hiding spot, And that same et that's looking
[2:35:36] Speaker 3: out of that four hole window opening in the bottom
[2:35:40] Speaker 3: of that disc is the same one that I encountered
[2:35:43] Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. The drawing on the right is the
[2:35:48] Speaker 3: is of the blue lady that I had talked to
[2:35:50] Speaker 3: that in the visitation of twenty seventeen in my bedroom,
[2:35:54] Speaker 3: and you could see that's the same one that's in
[2:35:56] Speaker 3: the UFO there that I actually caught a picture of
[2:36:00] Speaker 3: twenty eleven. So, I mean, there's not many cases that
[2:36:04] Speaker 3: I know of where somebody has an at encounter and
[2:36:07] Speaker 3: actually has a picture of the et that he is
[2:36:09] Speaker 3: in conversation with. All right, yeah, I.
[2:36:12] Speaker 1: Do now, but let's see. Let me pull that up
[2:36:16] Speaker 1: again because I want to see. Uh, you said, where
[2:36:18] Speaker 1: is the actual picture of the extraterrestrial down here at
[2:36:22] Speaker 1: the very bottom.
[2:36:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's her face right there, and you can see
[2:36:26] Speaker 3: the face on the drawing. The one on the bottom
[2:36:29] Speaker 3: is the close up of her face and you can
[2:36:31] Speaker 3: see the red ruby on her on her left cheek.
[2:36:33] Speaker 1: I see interesting. All right, let me pull up another
[2:36:37] Speaker 1: one here. Now I think this is just a screenshot
[2:36:40] Speaker 1: from a video, is that right?
[2:36:43] Speaker 3: This is some of the anomalies that we captured around
[2:36:46] Speaker 3: my home.
[2:36:46] Speaker 1: Hold on, I have to have a video here of
[2:36:48] Speaker 1: that that we could play. Let me pull that up.
[2:36:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, we were shooting a UFO video.
[2:36:54] Speaker 1: Can you see the video here?
[2:36:56] Speaker 3: Video? Okay. It was like ET decided to show up
[2:36:59] Speaker 3: in the video and let us know that they were
[2:37:01] Speaker 3: watching it. So it was like we were doing a
[2:37:04] Speaker 3: UFO video. Thing behind you here right? Ah?
[2:37:07] Speaker 2: Interesting.
[2:37:08] Speaker 3: Look it shoots it in my mouth and for a
[2:37:10] Speaker 3: second you can see it in my mouth, open mouth,
[2:37:12] Speaker 3: and then it just disappears again. This is a slow
[2:37:16] Speaker 3: down video and I'm actually talking when all this is
[2:37:19] Speaker 3: going on. They play that again, and you can see
[2:37:23] Speaker 3: in my mouth after this thing shoots in my head,
[2:37:25] Speaker 3: appears out of my open mouth as if to look
[2:37:27] Speaker 3: to see if the cameras according you.
[2:37:29] Speaker 1: Whoa, I see it there. That's interesting. Wow, I'll play
[2:37:33] Speaker 1: that one more time here. That is very interesting, and
[2:37:42] Speaker 1: there it is in Wow all right, and.
[2:37:46] Speaker 3: I have I have no doubt that that's it. That's
[2:37:48] Speaker 3: just ET trying to let me know that they're here
[2:37:50] Speaker 3: in my home watching. Man. I think they were casting
[2:37:53] Speaker 3: following me, and I think they kind of liked me.
[2:37:55] Speaker 3: I think they may probably watched me enough to see
[2:37:58] Speaker 3: that I'm.
[2:37:59] Speaker 1: Not a bad guy.
[2:38:00] Speaker 3: I guess. I don't know.
[2:38:02] Speaker 1: What are we looking at here? This is the architecture
[2:38:05] Speaker 1: that you were talking about earlier.
[2:38:07] Speaker 3: This is one of the steel frames of the video
[2:38:09] Speaker 3: I took of the left half of the mother ship
[2:38:11] Speaker 3: that I caught in the video of the mothership that
[2:38:14] Speaker 3: flew over. We've been looking for alien architecture on the
[2:38:18] Speaker 3: surface of it. It's a zoomed in piece of the
[2:38:20] Speaker 3: craft and it was the only thing that I could
[2:38:23] Speaker 3: find that resembled alien architecture, and I thought, yeah, it
[2:38:28] Speaker 3: looks very odd.
[2:38:30] Speaker 1: All right, let's see what we got next.
[2:38:32] Speaker 3: This is just.
[2:38:34] Speaker 1: What do we have here? Is this just an image
[2:38:36] Speaker 1: of a depiction of the cow? Yeah?
[2:38:38] Speaker 3: That was a Japanese The Japanese TV came to my
[2:38:42] Speaker 3: house and we went out to where the calib dushion
[2:38:44] Speaker 3: took place and we recorded some video and footage where
[2:38:47] Speaker 3: the cow had was a ducted at over the field.
[2:38:50] Speaker 3: I see, okay, cool, And that's a piece of their
[2:38:52] Speaker 3: footage where they aired on Japanese TV.
[2:38:55] Speaker 1: On caught on camera and okay, this is what you
[2:38:59] Speaker 1: saw out in space.
[2:39:00] Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, that's what I seen when I walk
[2:39:05] Speaker 3: through the wall and I fell in the outer space.
[2:39:09] Speaker 3: I was completely naked during this whole time with talking
[2:39:12] Speaker 3: to these two, but I it was that kind of
[2:39:15] Speaker 3: embarrassing for a second, But then I realized they pulled
[2:39:17] Speaker 3: me out of my sleeping body, so they get whatever
[2:39:19] Speaker 3: they get, you know, right. Yeah, So I'm floating outside
[2:39:24] Speaker 3: the black box in outer space. There's an alien planet
[2:39:27] Speaker 3: off to my left. There's an ugly moon floating by
[2:39:29] Speaker 3: in between me and the planet. You can see the
[2:39:31] Speaker 3: Glack economale up there. That's the glack extenter or whatever.
[2:39:35] Speaker 3: That was.
[2:39:38] Speaker 1: Very interesting to pull up another one here, all right,
[2:39:42] Speaker 1: what do we have here?
[2:39:46] Speaker 3: This is a zoomed in picture of the surface of
[2:39:49] Speaker 3: the mother ship. I've been trying to clear the picture
[2:39:53] Speaker 3: up for years to see exactly what we can see.
[2:39:55] Speaker 3: As you can see on the surface of this thing
[2:39:57] Speaker 3: solid rock on the bottom of the top of the surfa,
[2:40:00] Speaker 3: and this thing has building like structures on it. There's
[2:40:02] Speaker 3: this thing tiring up in the background, and it's tiring
[2:40:05] Speaker 3: up higher than the buildings are. The buildings are probably
[2:40:08] Speaker 3: two story buildings, so this thing is towering over the
[2:40:10] Speaker 3: two story buildings. And uh, when I got a good
[2:40:13] Speaker 3: look at this thing. This thing looks like a forty
[2:40:16] Speaker 3: foot alien in sicktory. And uh, you can even see
[2:40:19] Speaker 3: the shadow of the arm and the it's consistent with
[2:40:23] Speaker 3: the direction of the light that's shouting on its body.
[2:40:25] Speaker 3: You can see the shadow that its arm makes it
[2:40:27] Speaker 3: on its own body on this thing. So, and the
[2:40:31] Speaker 3: ride is the sketch filter that we ran over that image,
[2:40:33] Speaker 3: and you can see the mouth of this thing is
[2:40:35] Speaker 3: certainly an insect that I've had zoologists look at this
[2:40:39] Speaker 3: thing and they said that it's not any creature that
[2:40:42] Speaker 3: they can recognize here on planet Earth. And when I
[2:40:45] Speaker 3: told him that and asked me where I got them,
[2:40:47] Speaker 3: What did you go to that? I told him on
[2:40:49] Speaker 3: the surface of a Ufo. They didn't want to talk
[2:40:51] Speaker 3: to me much more.
[2:40:52] Speaker 1: I can't imagine.
[2:40:55] Speaker 3: All right, let's see it looks before I told him that.
[2:41:00] Speaker 4: So it looks like the mantis mantis beings that a
[2:41:02] Speaker 4: lot of people kind of describe and talk about.
[2:41:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, it's the arms come out of
[2:41:07] Speaker 3: the back of that thing, and it's not like your
[2:41:09] Speaker 3: typical mannas here on Earth. The arms come out of
[2:41:12] Speaker 3: the back of that thing like a spider man, you know.
[2:41:14] Speaker 3: So and this is the This is the picture of
[2:41:18] Speaker 3: the disk that approached me from my hiding spot and
[2:41:20] Speaker 3: the oil field there. I was hiding between the tanks,
[2:41:23] Speaker 3: hiding behind the separator. I had the courage to lean
[2:41:25] Speaker 3: out and take one picture. That was That's why you've
[2:41:28] Speaker 3: seen that. It was the picture. You can see the disk.
[2:41:32] Speaker 3: You can see the window, the port, uh the port,
[2:41:35] Speaker 3: whole window, seial opening under the craft. You can see
[2:41:38] Speaker 3: the light shining out. You can see the red stretchy light.
[2:41:41] Speaker 3: It looked like taffy being stretched. Looked like it with
[2:41:44] Speaker 3: the naked eye, just as it did on the on
[2:41:46] Speaker 3: the camera footage. Here you can see the edge of
[2:41:48] Speaker 3: the disk. It's a good color picture. I mean it's
[2:41:51] Speaker 3: not you can't see everything, but it's clear enough to
[2:41:53] Speaker 3: be to It backs up my story to what I
[2:41:56] Speaker 3: said happened that night.
[2:41:58] Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you got something definitely most more than a
[2:42:00] Speaker 1: lot of people get.
[2:42:02] Speaker 3: Those red lights had no light source. They just looked
[2:42:04] Speaker 3: like they were just stretching outside of the craft. It
[2:42:06] Speaker 3: was very odd. May be caused by magnetism or who
[2:42:09] Speaker 3: knows why. All right, what have you got here?
[2:42:16] Speaker 2: Now?
[2:42:17] Speaker 1: What are these running?
[2:42:19] Speaker 3: This is a This is another picture of the surface
[2:42:21] Speaker 3: of the mothership that's zoomed in that we looking for
[2:42:23] Speaker 3: anominalies on the surface of the craft. You're basically getting
[2:42:26] Speaker 3: taken aboard the UFO mothership looking at the top of it.
[2:42:30] Speaker 3: This big thing right here is hiding up there. And
[2:42:32] Speaker 3: this thing is is huge. Man, it looks like gewbacco
[2:42:37] Speaker 3: on a Star Wars thing. This is. It's big, it's
[2:42:40] Speaker 3: got it's got these two eyes that are sticking out
[2:42:42] Speaker 3: of it. It's got two arms. And when I poward
[2:42:45] Speaker 3: it through the footage to see if the arms mood,
[2:42:47] Speaker 3: one of the arms actually moves, and so I think
[2:42:51] Speaker 3: there's no doubt in my mind that this thing has
[2:42:54] Speaker 3: two arms. And it's big, huge tobacco looking things sitting
[2:42:57] Speaker 3: on the surface of this craft. And this craft is
[2:43:00] Speaker 3: flying through the air like a jet, and it's got
[2:43:03] Speaker 3: these creatures on top of the surface of which which
[2:43:06] Speaker 3: that would be the equivalent to one of us riding
[2:43:07] Speaker 3: on the wing of a seven forty seven in flight,
[2:43:10] Speaker 3: which shows you they have more technology than we do
[2:43:13] Speaker 3: if they can run around on the surface of the
[2:43:14] Speaker 3: craft at that speed without being messed with.
[2:43:18] Speaker 4: It's interesting, Ronnie, because these beans almost look as big
[2:43:22] Speaker 4: as the actual surface of the craft, right, am I
[2:43:25] Speaker 4: am I looking at it correctly.
[2:43:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, they're absolutely huge. I mean that thing may be
[2:43:30] Speaker 3: as big as a house. Who knows. I mean, when
[2:43:32] Speaker 3: you're at the size of a house, how could you
[2:43:34] Speaker 3: be anywhere else but on the surface of it. And
[2:43:39] Speaker 3: like I said, these crafts may be interdimensional as opposed
[2:43:41] Speaker 3: to flying across the galaxy, so they may not be
[2:43:44] Speaker 3: such a long trip form. They may just have to
[2:43:46] Speaker 3: fly through a dimensional gateway, a stargate or something.
[2:43:49] Speaker 1: So, now, what is this other one that I just
[2:43:52] Speaker 1: pulled up here?
[2:43:54] Speaker 3: That that picture there is it's the left half of
[2:43:56] Speaker 3: the mothership as it came in. They were asked me
[2:44:01] Speaker 3: at one point to find the starfield behind it, to
[2:44:03] Speaker 3: prove the size of it, to prove that I was
[2:44:06] Speaker 3: actually in the location I was at, looking in the
[2:44:08] Speaker 3: direction I said, I was looking at the tom I
[2:44:10] Speaker 3: was looking. And the star field pattern tells a lot
[2:44:13] Speaker 3: about when and where and the size of the craft
[2:44:16] Speaker 3: without having to have pictures of houses and trees and
[2:44:19] Speaker 3: stuff like that in the background. And uh so we
[2:44:21] Speaker 3: analyzed still the video is steal frame footage until I
[2:44:25] Speaker 3: found the starfield pattern in the actual UFO footage. And
[2:44:29] Speaker 3: I was asked to do this by astrology professor and uh,
[2:44:35] Speaker 3: and I was able to pull it off. So we
[2:44:37] Speaker 3: did find the starfield pattern behind it, and it did
[2:44:39] Speaker 3: match up to the location, time and direction I was looking.
[2:44:42] Speaker 3: And it does testify that this craft is indeed huge
[2:44:46] Speaker 3: and in the Texas sky. That's cool, all right. What
[2:44:50] Speaker 3: do we have next here?
[2:44:53] Speaker 2: M H.
[2:44:55] Speaker 1: Shadow it's another uh, part of the.
[2:44:58] Speaker 3: That we saw. Yeah, this is a zoomed in picture
[2:45:01] Speaker 3: of the an insect too it and and and the
[2:45:03] Speaker 3: high lights of the shadow of the arm that stretched
[2:45:06] Speaker 3: across it. You can see the shadow on its body
[2:45:08] Speaker 3: and the direction consists of with the light that shining
[2:45:11] Speaker 3: on it. And while this is not a great footage,
[2:45:16] Speaker 3: it's good enough to be freaking amazing. I mean, you know,
[2:45:21] Speaker 3: they don't have to be great. I mean, you know.
[2:45:27] Speaker 1: Right well, the fact that you got anything. Most people can't,
[2:45:30] Speaker 1: you know, aren't getting the footage at all. But you
[2:45:33] Speaker 1: know you're getting something here.
[2:45:35] Speaker 3: This this picture here is a some of the anomaly
[2:45:39] Speaker 3: light anomalies that were appearing over the old field that
[2:45:43] Speaker 3: that I had caught. I got a picture of one
[2:45:44] Speaker 3: of them. It was pretty close. And this is a
[2:45:47] Speaker 3: zoomed in close up of what the light actually is.
[2:45:51] Speaker 3: It looks like a light shining out of something God
[2:45:53] Speaker 3: only knows. We never I have never figured out exactly
[2:45:56] Speaker 3: what the story is behind these mysterious lights that to
[2:45:59] Speaker 3: this up here all over the world as well as
[2:46:02] Speaker 3: here in Texas. Right, all right, what do we have here?
[2:46:08] Speaker 3: Another picture of the insectoid. That's that's one of the
[2:46:11] Speaker 3: pictures that shows a good portion of the craft. That
[2:46:13] Speaker 3: that light you see on the right is on a
[2:46:15] Speaker 3: tier of the is towering above the V shaped craft.
[2:46:19] Speaker 3: It's almost like in the center of the V. And
[2:46:22] Speaker 3: you're looking at a good stretch of the left hand
[2:46:24] Speaker 3: side of the craft. So everything you're seeing the cover
[2:46:27] Speaker 3: of like several probably one hundred yards or more of
[2:46:30] Speaker 3: craft surface. So you can see that the size of
[2:46:33] Speaker 3: that that and then in sectordy in the background is huge.
[2:46:37] Speaker 3: You can see that that light in front of it
[2:46:39] Speaker 3: is a row of burning flares that I had told
[2:46:41] Speaker 3: you about that are shooting jetting flares out like some
[2:46:44] Speaker 3: kind of refining process going on. Right, And that light
[2:46:48] Speaker 3: that's on the right there, I couldn't tell if it
[2:46:50] Speaker 3: was sitting on a tar and rising high above the craft,
[2:46:53] Speaker 3: or if it was actually suspended above the craftlet But
[2:46:55] Speaker 3: it did have these blue flooress and glowing power lines
[2:46:58] Speaker 3: that stretched from it down to the craft's surface. So
[2:47:01] Speaker 3: I don't know if it was sitting on the tar
[2:47:03] Speaker 3: or if it was actually flying itself above the craft
[2:47:06] Speaker 3: while the craft was in flying.
[2:47:08] Speaker 1: Interesting, let's go to the next.
[2:47:12] Speaker 4: There have to be some kind of like forest field
[2:47:14] Speaker 4: or some kind of gravity system on these craft, right,
[2:47:20] Speaker 4: They couldn't just be, you know, while of gugging around
[2:47:24] Speaker 4: on the surface of a craft and not fall off.
[2:47:27] Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, yeah, and you know, and and this this
[2:47:32] Speaker 3: is the blue alien lady. She had the short black hair,
[2:47:35] Speaker 3: She had a ruby on her left cheek, She had
[2:47:37] Speaker 3: like a diamond in her forehead, She had like a
[2:47:39] Speaker 3: tattoo on her right cheek, and she was wearing like
[2:47:42] Speaker 3: the exercise shirt that they found they love from our World.
[2:47:47] Speaker 3: I got really up close to her eyes, and I
[2:47:49] Speaker 3: looked at her eyes and it pricked her out, and
[2:47:52] Speaker 3: she told me, she said that, she said, what are
[2:47:55] Speaker 3: you doing? I said, I just want to get a
[2:47:56] Speaker 3: good look in your eyes that were huge in blue
[2:47:58] Speaker 3: and you almost couldn't see any white in them. There
[2:48:00] Speaker 3: were white specs in them, and I said, I just
[2:48:03] Speaker 3: want to get a good look at your eyes. And
[2:48:04] Speaker 3: she said, tell people of your world when we make
[2:48:07] Speaker 3: when we make contact, she said, all that we asked
[2:48:10] Speaker 3: is that there be no physical contact without a request
[2:48:15] Speaker 3: and a and a response of approval. And she said,
[2:48:18] Speaker 3: tell the people of your world that. So when when
[2:48:20] Speaker 3: she told me that, I knew that it wasn't I
[2:48:22] Speaker 3: wasn't tasked with keeping the keeping it secret that I
[2:48:26] Speaker 3: was talking to these guys, and it seemed like they
[2:48:28] Speaker 3: were establishing a rule of conduct contact. It sounds like me,
[2:48:36] Speaker 3: all right, what do we have here? And it makes
[2:48:42] Speaker 3: sense that that would be a first rule of contact, right, because.
[2:48:49] Speaker 1: What are we looking at here? What's in this one?
[2:48:51] Speaker 3: Now, this is another creature that was spotted on the
[2:48:53] Speaker 3: surface of the of the mothership by actually a YouTuber
[2:48:57] Speaker 3: pointed it out to me. I hadn't even found it,
[2:48:59] Speaker 3: and I researched it and looked at it. And this
[2:49:02] Speaker 3: thing looks like a dog like creature. And you can
[2:49:05] Speaker 3: see the muscles in its legs. You can see it's
[2:49:07] Speaker 3: got a flat face, it's got horns on it, and uh,
[2:49:11] Speaker 3: it looks like a dog, dog like creature with horns
[2:49:14] Speaker 3: and uh. And the more you look at it, the
[2:49:16] Speaker 3: clear it gets. And I'm like, there's a there's another
[2:49:19] Speaker 3: creature that's right on the surface of this thing. Like
[2:49:20] Speaker 3: I said, I can't tell you for sure if these
[2:49:23] Speaker 3: are statues or if these are actual creatures, or if
[2:49:26] Speaker 3: these are biological machines. I have no idea, but I
[2:49:31] Speaker 3: know they're on the surface of the UFO and there
[2:49:34] Speaker 3: and they worthy of investigation. And here's your lovely this
[2:49:39] Speaker 3: is this is the cat lady after she's taken her
[2:49:42] Speaker 3: clothes off, and you can see the stripes. She had
[2:49:46] Speaker 3: these beautiful stripes all up and down her body. She
[2:49:48] Speaker 3: had a she had a like a like a like
[2:49:51] Speaker 3: a felt fur, like a light fur. She had that
[2:49:54] Speaker 3: long tail, long whipping tail like a line I have.
[2:49:57] Speaker 3: She had pads on the palm of her hands even
[2:49:59] Speaker 3: betwe in her digits, and on her breast it was
[2:50:03] Speaker 3: like she turned back to flesh. That was the only
[2:50:05] Speaker 3: part of everybody besides her face that I actually saw
[2:50:07] Speaker 3: that looked like human flesh was on her breast and
[2:50:10] Speaker 3: on her face.
[2:50:12] Speaker 1: Wow, that is super interesting. I think I have one
[2:50:17] Speaker 1: more video that I might have to pull up through
[2:50:19] Speaker 1: messenger here. Uh, this one doesn't want to play. It's
[2:50:26] Speaker 1: not playing.
[2:50:27] Speaker 3: Let's see.
[2:50:28] Speaker 1: Well, Ronnie, if you can send me that last video
[2:50:30] Speaker 1: through email, what I'll do is I can post it
[2:50:32] Speaker 1: up at the end of this this show here, so
[2:50:36] Speaker 1: everybody can see what's going on in that one.
[2:50:39] Speaker 3: But man, that was just the original footage of the
[2:50:42] Speaker 3: mothership that I captured. I mean it was the left
[2:50:45] Speaker 3: half of a giant mothership flying through the Texas sky.
[2:50:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna have to definitely email me that because
[2:50:50] Speaker 1: I want to pop that up at the end of this.
[2:50:53] Speaker 3: Like I said, these pictures are duplicatable. Anybody can take
[2:50:56] Speaker 3: that original footage. They can. They can get the still
[2:50:59] Speaker 3: frame images, can clean it up and brighten it up
[2:51:01] Speaker 3: and do everything I did to get the same stuff
[2:51:04] Speaker 3: that I found. I have no special talent in pulling
[2:51:07] Speaker 3: out for creatures and stuff. It's all right there, and
[2:51:09] Speaker 3: that video has been looked at. I've been if i'd
[2:51:11] Speaker 3: have been picked anything, I've been called out a decade ago. Yeah,
[2:51:15] Speaker 3: they know what camera I use, they know what software
[2:51:17] Speaker 3: I use, and know what degree I've brightened it. They've
[2:51:19] Speaker 3: told me everything I've done to the images, and I
[2:51:22] Speaker 3: don't even know how to use photoshop, couldn't even pretend
[2:51:26] Speaker 3: to know how to make something like it. Right.
[2:51:29] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's definitely some interesting footage. I'm gonna get
[2:51:32] Speaker 1: that video up. I think I should be able to
[2:51:34] Speaker 1: pull it from my messenger and put it at the
[2:51:36] Speaker 1: end of the podcast here. But Ronnie, you had some
[2:51:39] Speaker 1: fascinating events. I know that there's a lot more that
[2:51:42] Speaker 1: we could talk about, so I'd love to have you
[2:51:44] Speaker 1: back on in the future before we close out. Is
[2:51:46] Speaker 1: there any any other final questions that you'd like to
[2:51:49] Speaker 1: ask writer?
[2:51:51] Speaker 4: No, Ronnie, thank you for sharing your experiences. Brother, I
[2:51:55] Speaker 4: really appreciate that. It was a fascinating conversation. And thank
[2:51:59] Speaker 4: you so much Chris for having me on here to.
[2:52:01] Speaker 3: Co host with you.
[2:52:02] Speaker 4: I really appreciate it, and uh wish everybody, uh wish
[2:52:07] Speaker 4: everyone the best and keep keep putting your work out here. Ronnie.
[2:52:10] Speaker 4: This is how we uh, this is how we do this,
[2:52:13] Speaker 4: you know, this is how we disclose the information. Disclosure
[2:52:16] Speaker 4: is from us. You know, it's not from uh the
[2:52:19] Speaker 4: government or the media. They can't they can they can
[2:52:23] Speaker 4: feed us certain information, but the real stuff that that
[2:52:27] Speaker 4: we want is coming from the people and I appreciate
[2:52:30] Speaker 4: you being willing to come out here and share your
[2:52:33] Speaker 4: story with us and with Chris's audience.
[2:52:35] Speaker 3: I appreciate you a.
[2:52:36] Speaker 1: Lot, definitely. So uh yeah, Ronnie, before we close out,
[2:52:41] Speaker 1: let everyone know where they can find you.
[2:52:44] Speaker 3: Know, your your book.
[2:52:45] Speaker 2: All your.
[2:52:47] Speaker 1: The the Amazon show everything like that.
[2:52:52] Speaker 3: Yeah. Like I said that, I put everything in a
[2:52:55] Speaker 3: book in case something happened to it. Still say the
[2:52:57] Speaker 3: story wouldn't die with me. It's called The Ronnie Dawson
[2:52:59] Speaker 3: You Have Story. It's on Barnes and Noble, It's on Amazon,
[2:53:03] Speaker 3: and I think you could buy it at one point
[2:53:04] Speaker 3: at Walmart. Even so, the book is out there and
[2:53:08] Speaker 3: it's got some of the pictures and stuff in it.
[2:53:10] Speaker 3: And I've got a Roddy Dawson YouTube channel that that
[2:53:13] Speaker 3: has a lot of my videos and footage that I've
[2:53:16] Speaker 3: posted there. And I've got stuff on Minger that even
[2:53:20] Speaker 3: the debunkers asked me to post it there so they
[2:53:22] Speaker 3: can blow it up and check it for faults and
[2:53:25] Speaker 3: stuff like that. So I've got it on amdur that
[2:53:28] Speaker 3: you can just you can type up. You can look
[2:53:30] Speaker 3: and google Ronnie Dawson UFO picks and it will show
[2:53:34] Speaker 3: you tons of pictures and that I'm captured there without
[2:53:38] Speaker 3: you haven't open any risky websites or anything like that up.
[2:53:41] Speaker 3: So it's like I said, at times, I didn't want
[2:53:44] Speaker 3: to tell anybody, but after I made contact with these people,
[2:53:47] Speaker 3: now I kind of feel like I have a duty
[2:53:49] Speaker 3: to tell people. Do you have a right to know?
[2:53:51] Speaker 3: I need to put my pride and ego and all
[2:53:53] Speaker 3: that crap aside, stand up for humanity and the truth
[2:53:57] Speaker 3: and just hit it out there, whether it no matter
[2:53:59] Speaker 3: whether chips. I'm a gud, I wear my life on
[2:54:01] Speaker 3: my sleep in my shirt, and I don't pretend to
[2:54:04] Speaker 3: be anything I'm not, and what you see is real.
[2:54:06] Speaker 3: I got no reason to pull anyone.
[2:54:08] Speaker 1: That's Greatnie, Yeah, man, there it is. Thank you so much.
[2:54:13] Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing this story with us. I think
[2:54:15] Speaker 1: it's very important for people to hear this so they
[2:54:18] Speaker 1: can understand what these experiences are like, in that our
[2:54:23] Speaker 1: reality is much more fantastic than most people think. Also, writer,
[2:54:28] Speaker 1: let everybody know about Raised by Giants where they can
[2:54:31] Speaker 1: find your show before we head out as well.
[2:54:34] Speaker 4: Yes, Raised by Giants on YouTube. I interview people much
[2:54:40] Speaker 4: like Chris does once a week on Tuesdays at six
[2:54:42] Speaker 4: pm PST. You can also find me on Facebook a
[2:54:46] Speaker 4: writerly you can like Raised by Giants on Facebook as
[2:54:49] Speaker 4: well on Instagram as raised by Giants pod. And again,
[2:54:54] Speaker 4: thank both of you, gentlemen so much, and please support
[2:55:00] Speaker 4: work and support Chris's work is too. That's how we
[2:55:04] Speaker 4: get through all the censorship and everything that's happening on
[2:55:07] Speaker 4: these platforms is we have to comment, we have to
[2:55:10] Speaker 4: get interaction, we have to get thumbs up. Just support, support, support, support,
[2:55:16] Speaker 4: and thank you guys so much.
[2:55:18] Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much, writer, and thank you Ronnie.
[2:55:22] Speaker 1: Like I said, Ronnie, we'd love to have you back
[2:55:23] Speaker 1: onto the future. And until next time, everyone, have an
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