# Beyond Truth Clip: Alien Abduction with Lester Velez

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 25 Aug 2026, 15 min.

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## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: This is a clip from Beyond Truth.
[0:04] Speaker 2: You can access the entire episode now on our website
[0:07] Speaker 2: and all podcast platforms. We're getting closer, I mean this
[0:11] Speaker 2: year with the congressional hearings and everything, the revelations that
[0:15] Speaker 2: have come out. I had lunch with lou Elizondo right
[0:21] Speaker 2: before COVID shut everything down.
[0:24] Speaker 3: He was.
[0:26] Speaker 2: Here in my area interviewing Terry Lovelace for the show Unidentified,
[0:32] Speaker 2: which that interview never got aired because I think they
[0:36] Speaker 2: were trying to stick to the nuts and bolts type
[0:38] Speaker 2: of the scenario as opposed to abductions getting involved with abductions,
[0:45] Speaker 2: which a lot of these people in the support group
[0:48] Speaker 2: are kind of pissed off about because how come they're
[0:52] Speaker 2: not talking about us people that are getting abducted. You know,
[0:55] Speaker 2: we know a lot of stuff. Why don't you talk
[0:57] Speaker 2: to us? Well, guess what the government is talking to them,
[1:02] Speaker 2: Maybe not to these particular people in the support.
[1:05] Speaker 3: Group, but they know a hell of a lot more.
[1:08] Speaker 2: That they're not they're not they're not coming out with
[1:10] Speaker 2: and during that lunch, and uh Leus said that they
[1:14] Speaker 2: they have a pretty good handle on how these craft
[1:17] Speaker 2: actually operate, that they they create a bubble around around
[1:22] Speaker 2: the craft that basically defies space and time with a
[1:27] Speaker 2: very small, uh energy source and what he said it
[1:31] Speaker 2: wasn't element one point fifteen. So it's it's it's fascinating,
[1:38] Speaker 2: it's absolutely fat I mean, I I just get blown
[1:40] Speaker 2: away every day by the things that come out. And
[1:44] Speaker 2: we're we're getting closer, we're getting closer, and uh you
[1:48] Speaker 2: know Obama, yeah.
[1:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, you're ill. And but he had to walk it
[1:54] Speaker 3: back a little bit.
[1:55] Speaker 2: But I mean Russia, you know, talked about the fact
[1:59] Speaker 2: that hey, yeah we died, we got alien bodies, we
[2:01] Speaker 2: got we got craft and.
[2:05] Speaker 3: Just a matter of time when all of this comes out.
[2:07] Speaker 2: But it goes back to good old Eisenhower saying that,
[2:11] Speaker 2: you know, beware of the industrial military industrial complex.
[2:16] Speaker 3: Uh, because that's where all all the goodies are.
[2:19] Speaker 2: You can't get it for through a FOYA a request,
[2:24] Speaker 2: which you know, because they're not governmental.
[2:27] Speaker 4: Now do you know who they are? Like, did they
[2:30] Speaker 4: identify as what race or what beings they are?
[2:35] Speaker 2: Oh?
[2:35] Speaker 5: Well, there's supposedly many many races that have visited us,
[2:40] Speaker 5: but the main ones seem to be you know, the
[2:42] Speaker 5: grays is tall short grays, the Reptilians, the Nordics, the
[2:51] Speaker 5: Mantid type.
[2:53] Speaker 2: And are our military. I mean people ask me, well,
[2:57] Speaker 2: are the extraterrestrial? Are the inner dimensional? Are they time travelers?
[3:02] Speaker 2: Is it our military?
[3:04] Speaker 3: Well?
[3:04] Speaker 2: I believe it's all the above and anything else you
[3:06] Speaker 2: can think of. M It's just it's a very complex reality.
[3:14] Speaker 2: Uh we you know, we're here talking right now. This
[3:17] Speaker 2: is our reality right here. But there's a lot else
[3:24] Speaker 2: going on, probably many realities that exist, whether it's dimensional
[3:29] Speaker 2: in nature, you know, talk about string theory and things
[3:32] Speaker 2: of that nature.
[3:36] Speaker 1: I get a question on the you know, with the
[3:38] Speaker 1: government or these abductees or people who had experiences, you know,
[3:44] Speaker 1: I think the government has to be in on that
[3:47] Speaker 1: or contacting these people, like you said, some of them
[3:50] Speaker 1: are getting question. There is another view. Chris Blutsoll. You've
[3:57] Speaker 1: ever heard of him. He was just on wide files
[3:59] Speaker 1: and the experience of like you talked about.
[4:02] Speaker 6: He's seen it.
[4:03] Speaker 1: He got abducted, and then soon after he got to
[4:06] Speaker 1: speak with them, you know, and and so forth and
[4:09] Speaker 1: so on, and after his experiences he said no, but
[4:13] Speaker 1: first people didn't believe him, and then the government contacted
[4:17] Speaker 1: I'm talking to him and I'm thinking, okay, so nobody
[4:21] Speaker 1: around you believes you. But the government's there talking to you,
[4:24] Speaker 1: asking you what you've seen and what you know, then
[4:27] Speaker 1: maybe it's not so far fetched.
[4:30] Speaker 6: What do you say to that?
[4:33] Speaker 2: Well, you know, yeah, I mean the bottom line is
[4:36] Speaker 2: that I talked to Chris Bletso's son. As a matter
[4:40] Speaker 2: of fact, I interviewed him and you can find those
[4:45] Speaker 2: interviews on YouTube if you go to opus Separate Word network.
[4:50] Speaker 2: I have multiple interviews there, and I talked to him
[4:54] Speaker 2: and at length.
[4:55] Speaker 3: And I mean Chris went through hell with this whole process.
[5:01] Speaker 2: And didn't have a very good experience with mouf on
[5:06] Speaker 2: at one point. Then the federal government got involved, the
[5:10] Speaker 2: c i A, the d i A, you know, you
[5:13] Speaker 2: name it letters, three letter organizations. But the bottom line
[5:18] Speaker 2: is they believe him. Uh, and he's able to call
[5:21] Speaker 2: in these things. He has that capability. So uh, you know,
[5:27] Speaker 2: I I firmly believe that he's got a unique ability
[5:31] Speaker 2: and uh uh and be.
[5:33] Speaker 3: Interesting to see what's going on in his head.
[5:36] Speaker 2: Literally, you know, take some MRIs or CT scans or
[5:40] Speaker 2: whatever you.
[5:41] Speaker 3: Have to do to see what's going on in his head.
[5:44] Speaker 2: Uh, whether or not he's got more connections in that
[5:47] Speaker 2: card poutainment area.
[5:49] Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
[5:50] Speaker 1: Is he just a unique individual experience or or are
[5:55] Speaker 1: there are other people out there doing it the same thing?
[5:59] Speaker 2: Oh? Exactly, Well, this this is an interesting point. These
[6:05] Speaker 2: people that have that these connections in that area, they
[6:09] Speaker 2: connect with other people that have the same kind of
[6:12] Speaker 2: thing going on, whether they're family related or not. And uh,
[6:17] Speaker 2: it's I think what's what you're actually observing with these
[6:20] Speaker 2: people is the next evolutionary step for humanity that will
[6:26] Speaker 2: have the capability to uh, to telepathically communicate, uh, to
[6:33] Speaker 2: be more psychic in nature.
[6:36] Speaker 3: Uh. And that you and I that don't have that.
[6:40] Speaker 2: Of course I'm saying you don't have it, but I
[6:44] Speaker 2: definitely don't have it, but that you know, we will disappear, uh,
[6:51] Speaker 2: and so that those people will will take over the
[6:55] Speaker 2: next step in the evolutionary process.
[6:59] Speaker 7: We whre do you see us going?
[7:01] Speaker 4: Like, what do you think our revolution is where we're heading?
[7:06] Speaker 2: Well, I think hopefully in a positive direction that you know,
[7:10] Speaker 2: with people being abducted. I mean, you know, the Roper
[7:14] Speaker 2: Organization back in nineteen ninety two did a survey and
[7:17] Speaker 2: they said back then that there was like six million
[7:20] Speaker 2: people just here in the United States that had experiences, Well,
[7:26] Speaker 2: this is a worldwide phenomena, and move forward in time,
[7:29] Speaker 2: how many more people have been visited, whether they consciously
[7:33] Speaker 2: remembered or not, but subconsciously probably their worldview is starting
[7:38] Speaker 2: to change because of it. I've always felt it might
[7:42] Speaker 2: have been because of my experience that you know, wars
[7:48] Speaker 2: are just a waste of time in lives, that we
[7:54] Speaker 2: need to be better to one another and you be
[7:59] Speaker 2: more loving.
[8:01] Speaker 3: So you know, I think that it's it's it's we're.
[8:05] Speaker 2: Getting We're going to go to that point and one
[8:06] Speaker 2: day there will be a critical mass reach that we'll
[8:13] Speaker 2: move to that next phase in our lives where we're
[8:17] Speaker 2: not having wars. We're not tribal anymore. Uh, we can
[8:21] Speaker 2: communicate with one inner telepathically and know that you know,
[8:27] Speaker 2: whatever it is that you know, you may be thinking
[8:31] Speaker 2: and the next person may pick up on it or
[8:33] Speaker 2: may not, depending upon how you handle it.
[8:36] Speaker 3: And that could be a problem because impacts.
[8:39] Speaker 2: I've talked to a number of impaants that really have
[8:42] Speaker 2: hard times because that you know, they they go into
[8:45] Speaker 2: a store and right away they're starting to get feedback
[8:50] Speaker 2: from people that's next to them and everything, and some
[8:53] Speaker 2: of it's not really good.
[8:56] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, transparency might not be, but
[9:00] Speaker 4: it could be a bad thing.
[9:02] Speaker 6: I guess if there's still people with a bad at
[9:04] Speaker 6: TEX exactly exactly, I had the exact situation.
[9:10] Speaker 1: I did a like a three or four day fast
[9:14] Speaker 1: or something like that, and then I started feeling I'd
[9:16] Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and it was like, oh
[9:18] Speaker 1: my gosh, everything's crazy here, you know, and I.
[9:21] Speaker 6: Was picking up on a lot of stuff, which a boy.
[9:24] Speaker 1: But the bigger question is is okay, so I have
[9:30] Speaker 1: an experience, I see something or whatever.
[9:34] Speaker 6: What's what should I do with this information? How do
[9:37] Speaker 6: I report it?
[9:38] Speaker 1: What should I do? Should I just keep quiet, not
[9:41] Speaker 1: tell anybody? Should tell my relatives, call the government and
[9:43] Speaker 1: say hello, see I say, I seen some bubble in
[9:46] Speaker 1: the sky.
[9:47] Speaker 6: What's what can I do with this?
[9:49] Speaker 3: Well?
[9:50] Speaker 2: I think I think there's a couple of things you
[9:51] Speaker 2: can do with the Number one depends on what the
[9:54] Speaker 2: situation is. I mean, if you just see something that's
[9:57] Speaker 2: I mean, move on is an excellent source for that.
[10:01] Speaker 2: You can report that because we don't we don't take
[10:03] Speaker 2: reports at all as an organization. We already asked the
[10:09] Speaker 2: point where you know, these people are obviously seeing something
[10:13] Speaker 2: and have been involved with something, but now they need
[10:15] Speaker 2: help in a different way. So it really depends on
[10:19] Speaker 2: what you're you know, if if you've had an experience yourself,
[10:23] Speaker 2: then yeah, you can come see us and we can
[10:26] Speaker 2: we can certainly help you.
[10:30] Speaker 4: Y'all have all these links down below in the descriptions
[10:33] Speaker 4: if you want to go check out his website and YouTube.
[10:35] Speaker 4: I think you on Facebook, Instagram and all that stuff.
[10:37] Speaker 4: I'll have it all down below. Yeah, that's great that
[10:40] Speaker 4: you guys have support groups because yeah, a lot of
[10:44] Speaker 4: people are afraid to come out.
[10:46] Speaker 3: But hopefully maybe with shows.
[10:47] Speaker 4: Like this, maybe we'll kind of encourage people to speak
[10:50] Speaker 4: out and reach out and get support that they need. Because,
[10:55] Speaker 4: like you said, I think most of us have had
[10:58] Speaker 4: some of us not might not remember exactly, but you know,
[11:01] Speaker 4: I think most of us have had something that we
[11:04] Speaker 4: can't explain, you.
[11:05] Speaker 3: Know, So yeah, m you know I didn't.
[11:09] Speaker 2: By the way, I thank you guys for what you
[11:12] Speaker 2: do because it's very important that you're providing a service
[11:17] Speaker 2: for humanity, basically to get the word out that.
[11:20] Speaker 3: These kinds of things are happening.
[11:22] Speaker 2: And uh, you know, if you are having experiences. There's
[11:26] Speaker 2: places for you to reach out to like ourselves. So
[11:31] Speaker 2: but thank you.
[11:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah.
[11:34] Speaker 4: I guess this is our mission, you know, to get
[11:36] Speaker 4: the stuff out there. You know, like you said, going
[11:38] Speaker 4: back to a little bit earlier. You know, we have
[11:40] Speaker 4: the time now, you know, most of us, I think
[11:42] Speaker 4: we're Robert's not retired, but he's getting there. But you know,
[11:45] Speaker 4: for those of us who are retired, don't we have
[11:47] Speaker 4: the time now to sit and think, you know, and
[11:50] Speaker 4: really go through things. And we're not so busy work
[11:53] Speaker 4: work work anymore. You know. It can take the time
[11:55] Speaker 4: to process things as well and figure things out.
[12:00] Speaker 2: And so.
[12:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, this is definitely my mission.
[12:03] Speaker 1: So well, I mean a lot of people are really
[12:08] Speaker 1: confused of what to do.
[12:11] Speaker 6: I know, I was just this afore the show. I
[12:13] Speaker 6: was telling you, and I says, hey, you know, I.
[12:14] Speaker 1: Remember one time I I was sleeping in bed and
[12:18] Speaker 1: woke up. I had a big cut in my head.
[12:20] Speaker 1: I had no idea where come from. I mean, would
[12:23] Speaker 1: the pillow cut me or something? I don't know, you know,
[12:27] Speaker 1: where did that time go?
[12:28] Speaker 6: I remember, wa I'm going to in my truck.
[12:30] Speaker 1: One time I turned on the radio and shut my
[12:33] Speaker 1: eyes for a second, and the whole show that I
[12:35] Speaker 1: wanted to listen to was over and I don't remember.
[12:37] Speaker 1: It freaked me out, and I'm like, I remember falling asleep.
[12:41] Speaker 6: I don't remember the show. It wasn't like I was here.
[12:45] Speaker 7: And you've definitely had an experience. Yeah, I think most
[12:53] Speaker 7: of us have. Mine is a little bit more. I
[12:55] Speaker 7: do remember, except for the time last. I don't know
[12:58] Speaker 7: where that time went, but I do remember this light
[13:00] Speaker 7: in my room.
[13:01] Speaker 4: Next thing, you know, I wake up when I'm down
[13:03] Speaker 4: on the bottom bunk in a kneeling position with tears
[13:06] Speaker 4: coming on my cheeks, and I'm like, what am I
[13:09] Speaker 4: doing here?
[13:10] Speaker 2: Like what happened? You know?
[13:11] Speaker 4: And then I called back up to my top bunk,
[13:13] Speaker 4: going back to sleep. But you know what happened there?
[13:15] Speaker 2: So yeah, let me ask you. Let me ask you
[13:18] Speaker 2: guys a question. I mean, when, when have you had
[13:22] Speaker 2: experiences when you were young?
[13:24] Speaker 3: Yes? I was seven, okay? And how about years Robert.
[13:29] Speaker 6: No, No, that's what I remember, just those few there.
[13:33] Speaker 8: Of One of the things we found in the Omega
[13:36] Speaker 8: three study was that there was childhood conflict at a
[13:43] Speaker 8: very young age in the family that opened up people
[13:49] Speaker 8: to a associative method of handling what was going on
[13:54] Speaker 8: with them that seemed to open up open them up
[13:58] Speaker 8: to these kind of events happening, which is kind of interesting.
[14:05] Speaker 3: As matter of fact, we.
[14:07] Speaker 2: Are just in appross of finishing the second phase of
[14:10] Speaker 2: the OMEGA for study. The first phase of the study
[14:14] Speaker 2: is on our website as well under the article and
[14:17] Speaker 2: document section where we've taken the therapists that have been
[14:25] Speaker 2: working with experiences and ask them a ton of questions.
[14:30] Speaker 3: It's some interesting.
[14:31] Speaker 2: Findings came out of that, which again is on our site.
[14:36] Speaker 2: But we're trying to What we're trying to do is
[14:39] Speaker 2: give therapists tools to work with these people
[14:47] Speaker 3: In a better way.

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