# FKN Classics Double Feat! Mike Ricksecker - Shadow People | TruthSeekah - Demons/Angels

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 14 Aug 2026, 2 h 03 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
[0:07] Speaker 1: my guest is Mike Ricksecker. He is an author and
[0:10] Speaker 1: researcher that has appeared on multiple television shows and programs
[0:14] Speaker 1: as a paranormal historian. He also produces his own internet
[0:19] Speaker 1: supernatural based shows on the Haunted Road Media YouTube channel,
[0:24] Speaker 1: and is the producer and director of the docuseriies The
[0:27] Speaker 1: Shadow Dimension, which is available on several streaming platforms. He
[0:32] Speaker 1: also hosts the Edge of the rabbit Hole live stream
[0:35] Speaker 1: show and the Connecting the Universe interactive class. Haunted Road
[0:40] Speaker 1: Media is also his own paranormal and supernatural book publishing
[0:45] Speaker 1: and video production company, representing a number of paranormal authors. Mike,
[0:51] Speaker 1: welcome back.
[0:51] Speaker 2: How you doing doing really well? Chris, Great to be back.
[0:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great to have you back on youre always
[0:57] Speaker 1: a busy man, like we were just discussing, working on
[1:01] Speaker 1: and publishing books, television shows, podcast, your own talk show
[1:05] Speaker 1: and all the research behind all that. And you cover
[1:08] Speaker 1: everything from paranormal phenomena, shadow people, UFOs, Alaska Triangle, which
[1:14] Speaker 1: we'll get into a little bit today in all manner
[1:16] Speaker 1: of high strangeness. Can't wait to get into our discussion.
[1:20] Speaker 1: But it's been a while since you've been on. Remind
[1:22] Speaker 1: the audience a little bit about yourself and some of
[1:25] Speaker 1: the things you got going on.
[1:27] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:27] Speaker 2: Absolutely, so you know. Mike rick Secker, author, researcher, filmmaker.
[1:33] Speaker 2: The most recent book that I've published here is Alaska's
[1:36] Speaker 2: Mysterious Triangle, came out last year, but piggybacking off of
[1:40] Speaker 2: the television show The Alaska Triangle that was on Travel
[1:44] Speaker 2: Channel and then most recently here on the History Channel,
[1:46] Speaker 2: we had The Unexplained with William Shatner. With this explores
[1:50] Speaker 2: a lot of that strange phenomena that occurs primarily in
[1:54] Speaker 2: the in the what we call the Alaska Triangle. Filmmaker
[1:59] Speaker 2: as far as, I have my own docuseriies The Shadow Dimension,
[2:03] Speaker 2: which is running free on two b TV right now.
[2:06] Speaker 2: Roku channel just picked it up, although it's not airing
[2:08] Speaker 2: out there yet, I guess it will be out there
[2:11] Speaker 2: soon and a number of other streaming locations. So I
[2:13] Speaker 2: have my hands in a lot of different things. Plus
[2:16] Speaker 2: we have the tour, so we're going to Egypt here
[2:18] Speaker 2: in a couple of months in February. We have an
[2:21] Speaker 2: Alaska cruise as well, and some other ones that'll be
[2:23] Speaker 2: coming up to right on.
[2:26] Speaker 1: Also remind the audience what kicked all this interest in
[2:29] Speaker 1: paranormal and high strangeness offer you and set you off
[2:32] Speaker 1: on this path.
[2:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. I mean, for me, I'm an experiencer.
[2:37] Speaker 2: My very first experience was when I was about eight
[2:40] Speaker 2: years old, woke up in the middle of the night
[2:42] Speaker 2: and there's a tall, dark shadow standing in the corner
[2:44] Speaker 2: of my bedroom. And you know, I had no idea
[2:46] Speaker 2: about shadow people, shadow entities and anything like that at
[2:49] Speaker 2: the time, which is what this thing was. You know,
[2:51] Speaker 2: I just thought there was an intruder in my room
[2:53] Speaker 2: and he was about to kill me or something like that.
[2:56] Speaker 2: But he didn't, which is good, you know, because I'm
[2:58] Speaker 2: alive and still able to tell the table. But he
[3:00] Speaker 2: did get physical with me. He had approached my bed,
[3:03] Speaker 2: grabbed me by the wrists, crossed my arms across my body,
[3:06] Speaker 2: and then ran off down the hall. And so this
[3:09] Speaker 2: was my first significant paranormal experience. But I had many
[3:12] Speaker 2: others over the years, other shadow experiences, other things that
[3:15] Speaker 2: I had seen and witnessed, as far as like a
[3:17] Speaker 2: lot of the esoteric stuff that I've gotten into that
[3:21] Speaker 2: really started with Well, I've always been interested in history,
[3:25] Speaker 2: but in nineteen ninety three when the Mysteries of the
[3:28] Speaker 2: Sphinx Special came out by John Anthony West Robert Shop
[3:33] Speaker 2: that had Charlton Heston as the presenter, that just that
[3:39] Speaker 2: absolutely grabbed my attention, and so that sent me down
[3:42] Speaker 2: that rabbit hole as well. Then, you know, over the
[3:44] Speaker 2: years just kind of figured out that all this stuff
[3:47] Speaker 2: is really interrelated. It's very very connected to each other,
[3:51] Speaker 2: which is why I've come up with what I call
[3:53] Speaker 2: the Connected Universe and I have an entire learning platform
[3:56] Speaker 2: on that now right on.
[3:57] Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, the more I look into this,
[3:59] Speaker 1: the deeper the connections go between all this phenomenon from
[4:04] Speaker 1: shadow people, UFOs, paranormal aliens. There all seems to be
[4:08] Speaker 1: some kind of connection to everything. And I love It's
[4:12] Speaker 1: like an onion you're trying to peel through and the
[4:14] Speaker 1: next layer just leads to more layers and more layers.
[4:17] Speaker 1: So I don't know if we ever find all the answers,
[4:19] Speaker 1: but it's definitely fun trying to get there for sure. Now,
[4:23] Speaker 1: since we started talking about shadow people a little bit
[4:26] Speaker 1: in your experience, I know we've discussed this before, but
[4:29] Speaker 1: I want to get a little deeper into this before
[4:31] Speaker 1: we go into the Alaska Triangle. Now. I don't know
[4:35] Speaker 1: if I've told you this before. This is something that
[4:38] Speaker 1: I've recently been revisiting. I used to have sleep paralysis.
[4:43] Speaker 1: This was years ago. This was about maybe ten, maybe
[4:46] Speaker 1: almost twelve years ago, and it was after I was
[4:51] Speaker 1: getting out of my it was a bad marriage. I
[4:54] Speaker 1: was going through divorce and I was having a tough
[4:56] Speaker 1: time with things. And this was before I even thought
[4:59] Speaker 1: about starting a talk and all this stuff like that.
[5:02] Speaker 1: And I used to remember just being frozen, partially awake,
[5:07] Speaker 1: looking around, kind of being scared that I couldn't move,
[5:11] Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I wouldn't only see
[5:13] Speaker 1: like one shadow figure, It'd be like they were having
[5:16] Speaker 1: a party in the next room. I'd see like a
[5:18] Speaker 1: bunch of people, like just shadows walking down the hallway.
[5:22] Speaker 1: It seemed like people were kind of whispering and talking,
[5:25] Speaker 1: but they were all in shadow form. And then all
[5:28] Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'd hear this like loud banging noise
[5:31] Speaker 1: coming from my ceiling, and I'd all I could do
[5:33] Speaker 1: was stare up at it, and they get louder and louder,
[5:36] Speaker 1: until I would freak out so much that I'd pop
[5:39] Speaker 1: myself out of that situation. Eventually, all that stopped whenever
[5:44] Speaker 1: I got myself into a better state of mind. And
[5:47] Speaker 1: originally I thought it was just you know, the scientific
[5:50] Speaker 1: explanation of sleep paralysis. You know, this is just what
[5:52] Speaker 1: your brain does whenever you get into this sleep state,
[5:54] Speaker 1: and that's all it was. But more recently, after you know,
[5:58] Speaker 1: wonderful researchers like yourself, I've had plenty of other guests
[6:01] Speaker 1: that we've discussed sleep paralysis and shadow entities. I've come
[6:06] Speaker 1: to believe that there's something much deeper going on with this,
[6:09] Speaker 1: and that these may be some sort of intelligences that
[6:14] Speaker 1: we're interacting with in a different spectrum or realm that
[6:18] Speaker 1: we can't see through, you know, our normal perception. And
[6:22] Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on that.
[6:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, shadow people are a lot of different things.
[6:28] Speaker 2: And you know, there is that misnomer that the medical
[6:31] Speaker 2: community puts out there that it's only related to you know,
[6:35] Speaker 2: what they call the the intruder effect, is only related
[6:39] Speaker 2: to sleep processes. People see and experiencing these things at
[6:44] Speaker 2: all different times of the day. They could be you know,
[6:47] Speaker 2: walking around their house and they see a shadow dart
[6:49] Speaker 2: down the hall. You know, people experience them with their
[6:52] Speaker 2: out walking in the woods and they see shadows moving
[6:54] Speaker 2: about in this sort of thing. So you can be awake.
[6:57] Speaker 2: It could be coming up out of sleep, you could
[7:00] Speaker 2: be it could be broad daylight. It could be in
[7:03] Speaker 2: a totally different room in the house, the kitchen, you know, wherever.
[7:07] Speaker 2: People see and experience these things all different with all
[7:11] Speaker 2: different conditions when it comes to sleep prolysis aspect of it.
[7:15] Speaker 2: You know, I believe that this is two different phenomenon
[7:18] Speaker 2: that can happen at the same time. So and I've
[7:22] Speaker 2: experienced sleep prowess. It's a little bit different than you
[7:24] Speaker 2: because most people will experience it where you know, they're
[7:27] Speaker 2: coming out of sleep and they're still partially paralyzed, which
[7:32] Speaker 2: is very natural. It's a natural biological phenomenon. You know,
[7:37] Speaker 2: the body will paralyze you while you're sleeping so you
[7:40] Speaker 2: don't act out your dreams at night, and sometimes when
[7:42] Speaker 2: you wake up, you're still experiencing that process. Some people,
[7:46] Speaker 2: it's a little bit more rare, will experience it the
[7:49] Speaker 2: other way, where they might be so exhausted that their
[7:51] Speaker 2: body shuts down. Uh, and but their mind is still awakened.
[7:55] Speaker 2: This is what's happened to me a couple of times,
[7:57] Speaker 2: is I was just so exhausted that my body would
[7:59] Speaker 2: shut down, but my mind would stay awake. So I
[8:02] Speaker 2: was still aware of everything going on around me, but
[8:05] Speaker 2: I could not move. I was paralyzed, which is just
[8:08] Speaker 2: as scary. But you know, a lot of a lot
[8:11] Speaker 2: of people will experience this. You know, at night in
[8:13] Speaker 2: bed they see the shadow person. But you know, for one,
[8:17] Speaker 2: like I already said, we experienced this multiple different times
[8:19] Speaker 2: per day. The second thing is, you know, we we
[8:24] Speaker 2: dream about a lot of different things in medical communities,
[8:26] Speaker 2: trying to say that these are just hallucinations that are
[8:28] Speaker 2: coming out of our dreams as we're waking up, and
[8:31] Speaker 2: it's like, well, why is it always a person? You know,
[8:35] Speaker 2: because that's what people know. You had a whole bunch
[8:37] Speaker 2: of people, which is pretty wild. But you know, we
[8:41] Speaker 2: dream about a lot of different things. You know, we
[8:43] Speaker 2: could there could be trees and bushes in our dreams.
[8:46] Speaker 2: There could be trains, planes flying overhead, things like that.
[8:50] Speaker 2: I've had dreams of being on stage with Motley Crew
[8:52] Speaker 2: and I've never woken up to you know, ten thousand
[8:54] Speaker 2: people in my room, the pyrotechnics going off and the
[8:57] Speaker 2: drum kit. No, that would be awesome, it'd be a
[8:59] Speaker 2: lot of fun. But that doesn't happen. You know, people
[9:02] Speaker 2: wake up when they see a person or like you,
[9:05] Speaker 2: you know, multiple people there. So I think what's happening
[9:08] Speaker 2: here in these cases is that you know, we're feeling there,
[9:14] Speaker 2: We're feeling their presence, you know, we're feeling their energy.
[9:17] Speaker 2: And anybody who's had small children will understand this. Where
[9:20] Speaker 2: small child wakes up in the middle of the night,
[9:22] Speaker 2: they've had a bad dream, they need to use the
[9:24] Speaker 2: restroom and get a glass of water whatever. Usually they
[9:26] Speaker 2: come up to the bed, tap you on the shoulder,
[9:28] Speaker 2: wake you up, and you're like, okay, let's go take
[9:30] Speaker 2: care of it. But sometimes you end up with that child.
[9:32] Speaker 2: And my youngest son, Camera was notorious for this. It
[9:35] Speaker 2: doesn't tap you on the shoulder or shake you awake.
[9:37] Speaker 2: They just stand there at the at the bed and
[9:39] Speaker 2: they just stare at you, which is which is really creepy,
[9:43] Speaker 2: you know, because you wake up be like, oh my god, Caaron,
[9:45] Speaker 2: what are you doing? And it'll say, you know, I
[9:48] Speaker 2: had a bad dream or I need some water. Okay,
[9:50] Speaker 2: we'll go take care of that. But you know, if
[9:53] Speaker 2: he didn't tap me or wake me up, what is
[9:56] Speaker 2: it that woke me up? And what it is is
[9:58] Speaker 2: we each have a toroidal field of energy that surrounds
[10:01] Speaker 2: us that extends out several feet and you know, basically,
[10:06] Speaker 2: when his energy crossed into mind, I was able to
[10:09] Speaker 2: feel his presence. I was able to feel his energy,
[10:11] Speaker 2: and that woke me up, and we took care of
[10:13] Speaker 2: the things that he needed to take care of. So
[10:14] Speaker 2: I think that's what's happening with these these shadow beings,
[10:17] Speaker 2: is that you know, we're feeling their energy, we're feeling
[10:20] Speaker 2: their presence in the room that wakes us up, and
[10:24] Speaker 2: we're going through the whole natural biological process of you know,
[10:28] Speaker 2: coming out of sleep, and sometimes we have that paralysis.
[10:31] Speaker 2: Some people report not even feeling the paralysis. They see
[10:33] Speaker 2: the things standing there and they're not even paralyzed. But
[10:36] Speaker 2: other people will feel the paralysis. But I think so,
[10:39] Speaker 2: I think that's two different things happening at the same time. Here,
[10:42] Speaker 2: the you know, supernatural paranormal whatever you want to call it,
[10:46] Speaker 2: shadow entity phenomena, and then the sleep parroalysis.
[10:49] Speaker 1: Now, this is kind of off topic, but it's it's
[10:52] Speaker 1: in the same similar realms. A few years ago, I
[10:57] Speaker 1: remember having I was dreaming, and it was a dream
[11:00] Speaker 1: that it was like a home invasion, and I was
[11:03] Speaker 1: sleeping next to my girlfriend at the time, and she
[11:05] Speaker 1: was in my dream, and in the dream, we were
[11:08] Speaker 1: both being tied up by these home invaders and chairs
[11:12] Speaker 1: and you know, putting blindfolds on us, and all of
[11:16] Speaker 1: a sudden, in my dream, the home invaders started pouring
[11:19] Speaker 1: like waterboarding us, pouring water over our heads. And at
[11:22] Speaker 1: the same time, it seemingly my girlfriend had spilled water
[11:27] Speaker 1: right over my face trying to reach over and grab
[11:30] Speaker 1: a glass of water. So like, I woke up in
[11:33] Speaker 1: this terrible, terrified state, not knowing what was going on.
[11:37] Speaker 1: I thought like I was really being waterboarded and drowned
[11:40] Speaker 1: by home invaders. And then I'm coming to and she's like,
[11:42] Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to do that. But
[11:44] Speaker 1: the way it all came together and seemingly like my
[11:47] Speaker 1: dream led up to it, it was very interesting. I
[11:50] Speaker 1: just want to get your thoughts on the possibilities there.
[11:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost sounds like, of course I didn't experience.
[11:57] Speaker 2: I wasn't in the situation. But it sounds like, you know,
[12:00] Speaker 2: because of what your girlfriend did, your your mind, because
[12:04] Speaker 2: you're actively dreaming at the time, interpreted the feeling of
[12:08] Speaker 2: the wet sensation, the water being uh you know, poured
[12:12] Speaker 2: onto you. It it reinterpreted that into the dream as
[12:16] Speaker 2: the waterboarding. But you know, sometimes you know, and I've
[12:23] Speaker 2: I've done classes and things like this, dreams, premonitions, you know,
[12:26] Speaker 2: those things really happen. Uh. We actually will get dream
[12:30] Speaker 2: visitations from loved ones that have passed. So there's a
[12:33] Speaker 2: lot a lot of interesting things that happen within our
[12:36] Speaker 2: dream state.
[12:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's that's super interesting. Now, while we're in
[12:41] Speaker 1: these realms of dream states, I want to talk a
[12:44] Speaker 1: little bit about what people could possibly be experiencing during
[12:47] Speaker 1: astral experiences, out of body experiences. Some people actively go
[12:53] Speaker 1: and they seek exploration in these astral realms, and they
[12:56] Speaker 1: have techniques of knowing how to exit their body in
[13:00] Speaker 1: a certain way, and they actually come into contact with
[13:03] Speaker 1: some of these entities, not only shadow entities, but multiple
[13:07] Speaker 1: different types. And I'm wondering if you think that through
[13:11] Speaker 1: the astral travel, through these out of body experiences that
[13:14] Speaker 1: were actually our consciousness is accessing these realms that possibly
[13:20] Speaker 1: these beings could be originated from.
[13:24] Speaker 2: Quite possibly you know, these you know, these other beings.
[13:27] Speaker 2: I think what a quote unquote true shadow person is
[13:30] Speaker 2: is an interdimensional beings coming from some other plane of existence.
[13:34] Speaker 2: And by definition, uh, the astra plane is another plane
[13:37] Speaker 2: of existence, so some of these things could be on
[13:39] Speaker 2: that plane. And yeah, I've I've heard a lot of
[13:41] Speaker 2: people talk about when they go and they travel, not
[13:44] Speaker 2: only do they seek out loved ones and visiting different locations.
[13:48] Speaker 2: And I think some of these different shadow people that
[13:51] Speaker 2: people witness, you know, are actually astra projections of you know,
[13:56] Speaker 2: maybe a grandmother or whatever knows how to astro project
[13:59] Speaker 2: and lives for away from her her daughter and her
[14:01] Speaker 2: granddaughter and goes to visit them at night and appears
[14:05] Speaker 2: in the room. If the person happens to wake up
[14:07] Speaker 2: as a shadow, you hear like a you know, this
[14:10] Speaker 2: is of a shimmer type person in this sort of thing.
[14:13] Speaker 2: So that could actually be somebody astro projecting. But people
[14:18] Speaker 2: do report that they will see other beings there as well,
[14:21] Speaker 2: And so I've had that question come up or where
[14:24] Speaker 2: somebody's like, you know, I've seen these shadow beans in
[14:27] Speaker 2: the astro plane and coming back into my room and
[14:30] Speaker 2: you know there's the shadow person standing there, and you
[14:32] Speaker 2: know they're wondering, you know, is that shadow person trying
[14:35] Speaker 2: to uh, you know, get into my body? You know
[14:38] Speaker 2: that sort of thing. Because people, there's this kind of
[14:41] Speaker 2: misnomer of like all shadow entities are dark and evil
[14:44] Speaker 2: in the various and and they're not. They're a large
[14:47] Speaker 2: variety of different types of shadow entities with different agendas,
[14:50] Speaker 2: just like people. So some of them, you know, they
[14:55] Speaker 2: could be you know, people talk about spirit guides. You know,
[14:57] Speaker 2: they could be something like that. They could be you know,
[15:01] Speaker 2: maybe they are the visage of a loved one that's
[15:04] Speaker 2: just looking in on you and you're only because everything
[15:06] Speaker 2: comes down to you personal resonance, energy, vibration, that sort
[15:11] Speaker 2: of thing, and so things aren't quite vibrating on the
[15:13] Speaker 2: right frequency. You know, you might not see it clearly.
[15:17] Speaker 2: So it could be something like a love them, or
[15:18] Speaker 2: it could just be something else. Entirely, we're really not
[15:22] Speaker 2: aware of who what they are.
[15:24] Speaker 1: Now while we're talking about possible intelligent manifestations, I'm very
[15:31] Speaker 1: curious and very interested about what we're seeing with orbs,
[15:35] Speaker 1: and not necessarily just you know, orbs that we see
[15:37] Speaker 1: with pictures and photography that could possibly be dust, but
[15:42] Speaker 1: the ones that actually manifest in front of us and
[15:45] Speaker 1: seemingly have some kind of intelligent aspect to them. And
[15:49] Speaker 1: I've seen some pretty compelling pictures where the orbs actually
[15:52] Speaker 1: look like they have like faces and things like that
[15:54] Speaker 1: in them. And I want to get your take on
[15:57] Speaker 1: what this phenomenon could be and do you think that
[16:00] Speaker 1: it is something that is not just like dust manifest
[16:04] Speaker 1: manifesting on a lens or something like that.
[16:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of them are are dust like that.
[16:10] Speaker 2: You know, probably ninety nine percent of the photos that
[16:13] Speaker 2: people send my way. Oh look I caught, you know,
[16:16] Speaker 2: all these spirit orbs and it's like, no, it's it's dust.
[16:19] Speaker 2: I've even done this. We did this years ago for
[16:22] Speaker 2: a presentation that that we did when I was investigating
[16:25] Speaker 2: out in Oklahoma and you know, trying to dispel the
[16:28] Speaker 2: whole dust orb thing. We had been at an old
[16:33] Speaker 2: tuberculosis asylum. One floor is really dusty. We kicked a
[16:36] Speaker 2: bunch up in the air, took a photo with the
[16:38] Speaker 2: flash created all these orbs, and we're showing people during
[16:42] Speaker 2: the presentation who these are. This is a dust storm,
[16:45] Speaker 2: you know, but it's looking like all these different organs.
[16:47] Speaker 2: But people insisted, no, no, no, no, that's just you don't know,
[16:50] Speaker 2: that could be like a bunch of spirits, and it's like, no,
[16:53] Speaker 2: we purposely kicked up the dust that take the Some
[16:56] Speaker 2: people are really really insistent that this dust is you know,
[16:58] Speaker 2: spirit phenomena, but but the legitimate ones. Because I have
[17:03] Speaker 2: a really fascinating photo from black Beard Church out in Oklahoma.
[17:07] Speaker 2: It's an old, abandoned church out in the middle of nowhere,
[17:11] Speaker 2: and you know, walk in the building for the first time,
[17:14] Speaker 2: a boom, there's this you know, ball of light and
[17:17] Speaker 2: I took a photo of it, and you know, it's
[17:19] Speaker 2: really a bright, illuminated ball of light. You know, So
[17:22] Speaker 2: so what was that? You know, these can be a
[17:26] Speaker 2: lot of different things. Are they spirit phenomena? Possibly? Is
[17:29] Speaker 2: it ball lightning? That's another possibility, you know. Could it
[17:33] Speaker 2: be some sort of a plasma effect that's also possible.
[17:38] Speaker 2: Andrew Collins is you know, he came out with Origins
[17:41] Speaker 2: of the Gods, I think it was earlier this year,
[17:43] Speaker 2: and he really kind of dove down into the whole
[17:45] Speaker 2: idea of this of this plasma phenomenon. And then the
[17:48] Speaker 2: question becomes, you know, if there is plasma that's being
[17:51] Speaker 2: generated basically out of again another plane of existence, who
[17:56] Speaker 2: are what actually lives within you know that that plasma,
[18:00] Speaker 2: you know, there are different organisms and life forms and
[18:02] Speaker 2: things like that within it. So you have a lot
[18:04] Speaker 2: of different possibilities as to you know, who are what
[18:06] Speaker 2: they could be. You know, even even the idea of
[18:09] Speaker 2: you know, fairy phenomenon, which people are gonna call me crazy,
[18:13] Speaker 2: you know it I have seen and I can't you know,
[18:17] Speaker 2: for sure say it was a quote unquote you know,
[18:19] Speaker 2: fairy or whatever, but it was different or like lighting effects,
[18:24] Speaker 2: you know, one which was you know, a yellow illuminated
[18:27] Speaker 2: ball of light that was transformative because at one point
[18:32] Speaker 2: the thing had gotten onto the floor and became just
[18:34] Speaker 2: this little pinprick of light that was on the floor
[18:37] Speaker 2: that had like a little V shape coming out from
[18:39] Speaker 2: the backside of it, and then you know, looking looking,
[18:42] Speaker 2: you know, starts to flutter like this and then boom.
[18:44] Speaker 2: It was that you know, illuminated yellow ball of light.
[18:48] Speaker 2: Again that was you know, dancing around you know. Another
[18:51] Speaker 2: time it was at Hensdale in New York. You know,
[18:54] Speaker 2: all these little blue lights coming down out of the woods,
[18:58] Speaker 2: and you know, people say, well, it could be you know,
[19:01] Speaker 2: some sort of firefly. Well, you know, for one, it
[19:04] Speaker 2: was late September, it's not firefly season. In two, you know,
[19:08] Speaker 2: blue ones which do exist are not They don't exist
[19:13] Speaker 2: in New York. They're like down in the Carolinas and
[19:15] Speaker 2: only come out during June. So wasn't that Plus we
[19:18] Speaker 2: were getting right down there on the ground because you know,
[19:20] Speaker 2: the the lights are either on the ground or you know,
[19:22] Speaker 2: some of them are in the air. We're looking, we're
[19:24] Speaker 2: looking for the flashlights. There's no insects or anything like that.
[19:27] Speaker 2: What is this? You know, is it was it quote
[19:30] Speaker 2: unquote fairies or was it something else that was you know,
[19:34] Speaker 2: coming off looking like these little little pinpricks of like
[19:38] Speaker 2: these little orbs.
[19:40] Speaker 1: There's so much of this phenomenon paranormal or even ufology,
[19:44] Speaker 1: all these things that we're discussing that seem to have
[19:48] Speaker 1: not only a collective intelligence, but like a trickster aspect
[19:53] Speaker 1: to it, to where it's always like ten steps ahead
[19:57] Speaker 1: of the observer. And as an example, things like Skinwalker
[20:00] Speaker 1: Ranch in these places of high strangeness that you know,
[20:04] Speaker 1: we have aerospace companies going and investigate. We have three
[20:07] Speaker 1: letter agencies, and from what we understand, they always come
[20:11] Speaker 1: back with more questions and answers. And this phenomena seems
[20:15] Speaker 1: to like toy with people at times and you lead
[20:18] Speaker 1: them in certain directions, and it seems to have this
[20:21] Speaker 1: trickster aspect to it. And I want to get your
[20:24] Speaker 1: thoughts on that, as this could be some kind of
[20:26] Speaker 1: just grand intelligence that splits itself off into different phenomenon
[20:32] Speaker 1: depending on which individual is interacting with it.
[20:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always possible. And you asked me about orbs
[20:39] Speaker 2: there a moment ago, and you know, you look back
[20:41] Speaker 2: at the food fighters from World War Two. You know
[20:45] Speaker 2: those were some sort of or illuminated ball of light
[20:49] Speaker 2: or whatever that were basically you know, chasing and you
[20:55] Speaker 2: know the fighters at the time, both on you know,
[20:58] Speaker 2: the axis and the alley side, they had no idea
[21:02] Speaker 2: what they were, and they did seem very treacherous in
[21:04] Speaker 2: nature because you know, they're trying to out maneuver these things, uh,
[21:07] Speaker 2: and they just they couldn't get away from them. They're
[21:10] Speaker 2: still following them. So it was you know, really really
[21:13] Speaker 2: bizarre activity. And so you know, is it something that's
[21:17] Speaker 2: trying to trick us, or you know, in that particular case,
[21:21] Speaker 2: was it something that was curious, you know, was it
[21:23] Speaker 2: something coming from another plane of existence? See these you
[21:27] Speaker 2: know World War two fighters and bombers flying in the air.
[21:30] Speaker 2: They're like, what the heck are these things? Let's let's
[21:33] Speaker 2: go take a look. And as you know, those planes
[21:36] Speaker 2: are trying to outmaneuver these balls alight, you know, the
[21:41] Speaker 2: curious ball alike. Could be like, no, no, no, don't
[21:43] Speaker 2: run away. I want to see what you are. You know,
[21:45] Speaker 2: because you think about it, if we if we developed
[21:50] Speaker 2: some sort of of technology where we were able to
[21:53] Speaker 2: go to you know, some other dimension or some other
[21:55] Speaker 2: world or what have you, and all of a sudden
[21:57] Speaker 2: we're seeing all these different new objects that we've never
[22:00] Speaker 2: seen before. We're going to want to inspect that. We're
[22:04] Speaker 2: going to want to check it out, and so you know,
[22:06] Speaker 2: it's starting to move away from us. Might be like,
[22:08] Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, no, I want to I want to
[22:10] Speaker 2: learn more about you. I want to see more of
[22:12] Speaker 2: what this is that I'm seeing here. So it just
[22:15] Speaker 2: might be curious in nature, and we interpret it as
[22:17] Speaker 2: being tricksterious because we don't understand it. Uh, you know,
[22:21] Speaker 2: but our our ones, you know that do in some
[22:24] Speaker 2: cases seem because we have these different myths and legends
[22:28] Speaker 2: and lare I mentioned before, like the fairies, because there's
[22:30] Speaker 2: a lot of like you know, fairy lore and miss
[22:34] Speaker 2: about them being tricksters and you know, bringing people into
[22:38] Speaker 2: their own dimension and putting out a changeling uh to
[22:41] Speaker 2: kind of trick people and things like that, or like
[22:43] Speaker 2: the gin supposed to be very tricksterous in nature. So
[22:47] Speaker 2: you know, we have these different legends and low surrounding uh,
[22:50] Speaker 2: these different types of entities, and I think that's you know,
[22:53] Speaker 2: humans trying to make sense of something we don't quite understand.
[22:58] Speaker 1: Now, before we get to your work with the Alaska Triangle,
[23:02] Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on the possibilities of
[23:06] Speaker 1: us attracting these entities with our own negative energy behaviors,
[23:11] Speaker 1: maybe possibly illicit substances. I know for me that whenever
[23:15] Speaker 1: I was in a bad state of mind, when I
[23:17] Speaker 1: was going through my divorce and things were kind of
[23:19] Speaker 1: depressive for me, that's when this high strangeness started manifesting
[23:24] Speaker 1: in my life. And I've spoken with plenty of others
[23:27] Speaker 1: that have had similar situations to where either they're going
[23:31] Speaker 1: through a bad time in their life, or they're you know,
[23:34] Speaker 1: using some kind of substances that are possibly attracting this
[23:38] Speaker 1: strange energy to them. What do you think about that?
[23:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, anytime you're going through something like that, your
[23:47] Speaker 2: your body chemistry is changing. And so I mentioned before,
[23:52] Speaker 2: you know, it all comes down to you know, energy, resonance, vibration, frequency,
[23:57] Speaker 2: all of that. And so when you're going through these
[24:00] Speaker 2: different moments of your life or like you said, using
[24:03] Speaker 2: some different substances, you know, you're changing that frequency and
[24:08] Speaker 2: residence and vibration of yourself going through those different states.
[24:12] Speaker 2: So when that happens, you may actually get yourself onto
[24:19] Speaker 2: a different wavelength that either maybe one attracts some of
[24:22] Speaker 2: these different entities or two makes it possible so that
[24:26] Speaker 2: you can see some of them. So you know, like
[24:29] Speaker 2: the human body, you know, operates within a certain frequency range.
[24:35] Speaker 2: It's about what is it, nine to sixteen hurts somewhere
[24:40] Speaker 2: in there, But everybody's a little bit different, and of
[24:43] Speaker 2: course these different entities themselves are operating on their own
[24:47] Speaker 2: different frequency in a different range. And so I think
[24:50] Speaker 2: what happens is when we momentarily get on the same
[24:55] Speaker 2: frequency range, we're able to see some of these different things.
[24:58] Speaker 2: So when you're going through these different moments in your life,
[25:01] Speaker 2: and your body is going through these different changes, and
[25:03] Speaker 2: your resonating a little bit of a different level, you're
[25:07] Speaker 2: able to see different things than you were able to before.
[25:11] Speaker 1: Right on, Now, let's talk about your book, The Alaska Triangle.
[25:15] Speaker 1: What got you looking into this particular topic.
[25:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I spent three years in Alaska as part
[25:22] Speaker 2: of when I was remember the United States Air Force
[25:24] Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety two nineteen ninety five. Yeah, but I
[25:28] Speaker 2: say that, but that's not really what kind of dove
[25:31] Speaker 2: me down that rabble. I did have experiences. I saw
[25:32] Speaker 2: a lot of different things up there. It's a strange
[25:34] Speaker 2: kind of a strange country or part of the country really.
[25:39] Speaker 2: Really what it was is so I had had on
[25:44] Speaker 2: my YouTube channel, I'd had some videos out there on
[25:47] Speaker 2: portals and portal activity and things like that, Earth energy
[25:51] Speaker 2: and what have you. And so the producers of the
[25:54] Speaker 2: television show of The Alaska Triangle had approached me basically
[25:58] Speaker 2: to ask me about portal phenomena. So, you know, we're
[26:01] Speaker 2: getting to talking, having conversation and all that, and so
[26:04] Speaker 2: then they asked me, well, what do you know, about
[26:06] Speaker 2: this type of activity in Alaska, and so I was like, oh,
[26:09] Speaker 2: you must be talking about the Alaska Triangle because I
[26:11] Speaker 2: was familiar with it, of course from my days up
[26:12] Speaker 2: there in Alaska. And they're like, that's the that's the
[26:15] Speaker 2: title of our show. Like, okay, great. So we started
[26:18] Speaker 2: talking about that and then you know, we connected, you know,
[26:21] Speaker 2: to film some episodes, and it was just really natural
[26:26] Speaker 2: for me, being a writer, to just okay, you know,
[26:29] Speaker 2: this is you know, this is a really interesting area
[26:33] Speaker 2: of the country with a lot of phenomena that has
[26:35] Speaker 2: been occurring. I now acquired a whole bunch of information
[26:38] Speaker 2: that I didn't have back in the nineties that I
[26:42] Speaker 2: could put together in a book and so that became
[26:44] Speaker 2: a whole whole new research project for me, and I
[26:48] Speaker 2: was able to get that out just before no, it
[26:51] Speaker 2: was just after season two had started.
[26:56] Speaker 3: Right on.
[26:57] Speaker 1: Maybe we could go over some of the some of
[26:59] Speaker 1: your favor or most profound cases that really stick out
[27:02] Speaker 1: for you are occurrences from the Alaska Triangle.
[27:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So, you know, the big thing with any
[27:09] Speaker 2: of these triangle areas around the world, which there are many,
[27:12] Speaker 2: you know, lask of course, Bermuda is the most famous
[27:15] Speaker 2: one Dragon triangle out there in Japan. There's like Michigan one, Bridgewater, Massachusetts.
[27:20] Speaker 2: They're all over. Even just recently discovered this past summer
[27:22] Speaker 2: when I was in Ireland that there's actually a triangle
[27:26] Speaker 2: there as well. And really what's occurring is a lot
[27:32] Speaker 2: of strange phenomena based on a number of different factors.
[27:37] Speaker 2: You have the magnetism of the Earth. You have seismic activity,
[27:40] Speaker 2: volcanic activity. Of course it's getting pelted by the solar flares,
[27:46] Speaker 2: which is where we get the auroras. But you have
[27:50] Speaker 2: a lot of these, you strange disappearances, you have a
[27:53] Speaker 2: lot of supernatural activity, you have a lot more UFO activity,
[27:57] Speaker 2: I think one of the and it's sad to say
[28:00] Speaker 2: favorite when you talk about disappearances, but you know, talk
[28:03] Speaker 2: a lot about the missing Douglas Skymaster from nineteen fifty.
[28:08] Speaker 2: You know, totally bizarre case. Happened in January, but it
[28:11] Speaker 2: was relatively nice day. It was just flying, flying out
[28:16] Speaker 2: of Alaska and as it crossed over into Yukon Territory
[28:21] Speaker 2: into Canada, all of a sudden just completely disappeared around
[28:26] Speaker 2: the Snagger area. Everything had been fine, you know, last
[28:29] Speaker 2: transmission from them everything was good, and just hoof, it's gone.
[28:34] Speaker 1: You know.
[28:34] Speaker 2: They launched a massive search and rescue mission. Thousands and
[28:39] Speaker 2: thousands of troops have been deployed, both on the US
[28:42] Speaker 2: and Canada side. They were actually supposed to be doing
[28:45] Speaker 2: some exercises at the time together, some joint exercises, which
[28:48] Speaker 2: they stopped, and they just weren't looking for the plane.
[28:51] Speaker 2: What's interesting is that just a few weeks later, there
[28:55] Speaker 2: was another plane that it had actually gone down in
[28:58] Speaker 2: that same area, smaller plane, and they were able to
[29:02] Speaker 2: find that immediately, but this much larger Douglas Skymaster nothing
[29:06] Speaker 2: was ever found. Also, there are reports just before and
[29:10] Speaker 2: just after the disappearance of UFO activity, so that was
[29:13] Speaker 2: also interesting. So some people believe that, you know, that
[29:17] Speaker 2: UFOs had played a part in the Skymaster's disappearance. There's
[29:22] Speaker 2: also a number of people who believe that the Skymaster
[29:26] Speaker 2: had disappeared into some sort of portal, ended up maybe
[29:30] Speaker 2: in another dimension, another point in time. And I like
[29:34] Speaker 2: to think of if it did disappear into another point
[29:38] Speaker 2: in time, that maybe you know, it went back into
[29:42] Speaker 2: the past, and I just throw out a number of
[29:44] Speaker 2: say five hundred years or so, and if it appears
[29:48] Speaker 2: in that other point in time. Well, what would it
[29:50] Speaker 2: look like to say, the indigenous people of the area
[29:53] Speaker 2: at that time, They're looking up in the sky and
[29:55] Speaker 2: all of a sudden, there's this massive airplane. They have
[29:57] Speaker 2: no context of what an airplane is. They only know
[30:00] Speaker 2: the birds fly in the sky. So is that where
[30:02] Speaker 2: we get like some of these thunderbird legends from. Is
[30:04] Speaker 2: because maybe some of these airplanes that have disappeared have
[30:08] Speaker 2: reappeared back in the past, and that's where some of
[30:11] Speaker 2: these legends come from.
[30:13] Speaker 1: That's super interesting. And not only planes have disappeared, but
[30:18] Speaker 1: lots of sea vessels and ships, right.
[30:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, you have, well, there's been a lot of maritime
[30:25] Speaker 2: accidents up there. You have the ghost ships things like that.
[30:31] Speaker 2: You know the Beachimo ghost ship, which keeps appearing and reappearing.
[30:35] Speaker 2: We haven't seen it now for a couple of decades,
[30:37] Speaker 2: but it was abandoned in the nineteen thirties. They thought
[30:41] Speaker 2: it was going to be unfit to sail because it
[30:42] Speaker 2: crashed into the ice and they were able to unstick
[30:48] Speaker 2: it and then crashed again into the ice, and so
[30:50] Speaker 2: they ended up abandoning the vessel. And basically it was
[30:53] Speaker 2: floating around, appearing and disappearing for up until the nineteen sixties.
[30:58] Speaker 2: Was the last time that it actually been seen and
[31:00] Speaker 2: people would actually get on board the thing, and then
[31:03] Speaker 2: all of a sudden they'd get trapped by some freak
[31:05] Speaker 2: storm that would come out of nowhere, and they'd be like, Okay,
[31:07] Speaker 2: we're not gonna do that again, and they'd leave the ship.
[31:10] Speaker 2: But then you have like the SS Princess Sofia, which
[31:14] Speaker 2: they call the Alaska Titanic. This had an unfortunate accident
[31:18] Speaker 2: in nineteen eighteen and basically it was the last voyage
[31:23] Speaker 2: of the season, had a lot of three hundred and
[31:27] Speaker 2: some odd people on board, more than it usually carried
[31:29] Speaker 2: because of the new It's kind of sad to think about,
[31:33] Speaker 2: but because of the new safety regulations coming out of
[31:35] Speaker 2: the Titanic, they had to all the vessels were required
[31:40] Speaker 2: to retrofit with new different safety measures, more safety boats,
[31:45] Speaker 2: things like this, and so then they were allowed to
[31:48] Speaker 2: actually bring more people on board. So I had more
[31:51] Speaker 2: than it usually did beforehand, and was strange about this
[31:56] Speaker 2: accident as it was coming down out of Skagway headed
[31:59] Speaker 2: toward Juno and then Vancouver. As the captain of the
[32:03] Speaker 2: ship that he's he had done this voyage hundreds of times.
[32:08] Speaker 2: He knew this route like the back of his hand.
[32:11] Speaker 2: And when you get into the Lynn Canal, there's a
[32:13] Speaker 2: reef right in the middle called the Vanderbilt Reef. He
[32:15] Speaker 2: knows where it's at, and he, you know, would say that,
[32:20] Speaker 2: you know, you need to keep to the one side
[32:22] Speaker 2: of it, you know, between the reef and you know,
[32:24] Speaker 2: the other bank. But yet somehow coming down he ended
[32:28] Speaker 2: up right on top of it. And what happened was
[32:33] Speaker 2: and you see this a lot with these triangle areas
[32:35] Speaker 2: where a freak storm will come out of nowhere and
[32:39] Speaker 2: you know, endanger the people, like with Flight nineteen in Bermuda,
[32:42] Speaker 2: all of a sudden their compasses and navigation equipment went crazy,
[32:46] Speaker 2: and then a freak storm came out, came out of nowhere,
[32:48] Speaker 2: and they disappeared with the Princess Sophia. Freak storm comes
[32:53] Speaker 2: out of nowhere, there's zero visibility. All they have to
[32:56] Speaker 2: rely on is their their guidance system. They're company. And
[33:00] Speaker 2: yet somehow they still ended up on this reef, which
[33:04] Speaker 2: you know, people speculate, well, maybe the power of the
[33:08] Speaker 2: Alaska Triangle, the electromagnetism was interfering with their navigation equipment,
[33:14] Speaker 2: which is why they ended up on the reef. And unfortunately,
[33:18] Speaker 2: because of the storm, it just kept pounding and pounding
[33:22] Speaker 2: and pounding. Rescue ships could not get over there because
[33:25] Speaker 2: of the storm, and eventually the ship was ripped off
[33:28] Speaker 2: the reef and sank and everybody perish except for one dog.
[33:34] Speaker 1: Oh wow. Now, has there been any scientific or independent
[33:40] Speaker 1: studies done in these areas, like you know, like we
[33:44] Speaker 1: see aerospace companies doing at Skinwalker Ranch in the meadow
[33:48] Speaker 1: and other places of high strangeness. Do you know if
[33:51] Speaker 1: there's been any kind of professional investigations into this.
[33:55] Speaker 2: Well, we have to go back to like when it
[33:58] Speaker 2: comes to Alaska, have to go back to nineteen sixty five.
[34:02] Speaker 2: The US Department of the Interior did a survey of
[34:05] Speaker 2: the electromagnetic properties of the area. And you know, Alaska
[34:10] Speaker 2: is over six hundred thousand square miles. It's massive. It's
[34:13] Speaker 2: two and a half times the size of Texas. So
[34:16] Speaker 2: they were only able to do their survey within about
[34:18] Speaker 2: one hundred thousand square miles, which still that's a pretty
[34:21] Speaker 2: big area. And they detected what they called five distinct
[34:26] Speaker 2: magnetic characteristics of this area. And several of those they
[34:30] Speaker 2: described as negative anomalies that you know, would cause various
[34:35] Speaker 2: activity in the area. And I believe this is why
[34:36] Speaker 2: they built HARP up there. One of the reasons why
[34:38] Speaker 2: they built it's a very remote area. You have the
[34:41] Speaker 2: thinner ionosphere there, which is the thinner magnetic shield up there,
[34:48] Speaker 2: so they were able to do more testing with the
[34:50] Speaker 2: ionosphere because of that, which is you know, where we
[34:52] Speaker 2: get the auroras at.
[34:54] Speaker 3: But also I.
[34:54] Speaker 2: Believe that they were harnessing the magnetic properties of Alaska.
[35:00] Speaker 2: It's very, very significant and what we see up there,
[35:05] Speaker 2: and with the government already having done their research up
[35:10] Speaker 2: there into that electromagnetism, they were able to build some
[35:13] Speaker 2: of these different facilities like that.
[35:15] Speaker 1: What do you think of the possibilities of underwater either
[35:20] Speaker 1: lifeforms or civilizations that could be associated with this. We've
[35:26] Speaker 1: seen in the past few years amazing footage of UAPs
[35:30] Speaker 1: that are the usos is what they're calling, those where
[35:33] Speaker 1: these objects will penetrate the water at such a high
[35:38] Speaker 1: speed and not have your typical effect that you'd expect
[35:43] Speaker 1: on the water and all these incredible speeds that we're
[35:45] Speaker 1: seeing there. Do you think that there could be some
[35:48] Speaker 1: sort of underwater civilization associated with this.
[35:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, specifically when it comes to the Alaska Triangle.
[35:56] Speaker 2: You know, there are a lot of reports that come
[35:59] Speaker 2: from the area of Alaska, even from our military. Then
[36:04] Speaker 2: the Navy has had several sightings of USOS of crafts
[36:10] Speaker 2: coming out of the water or more of the UAP
[36:14] Speaker 2: phenomena like the light anomalies coming out of the water
[36:17] Speaker 2: and things like this. It's quite prevalent up there, and
[36:22] Speaker 2: Alaska has a lot of water, so the coastline of
[36:26] Speaker 2: Alaska equates to more than the rest of the United
[36:30] Speaker 2: States combined. They also have you know, we talk about
[36:35] Speaker 2: Minnesota being the land of ten thousand lakes, Well, Alaska
[36:38] Speaker 2: has three million. So there's a there are a lot
[36:42] Speaker 2: of places there where where things could be hiding, and
[36:46] Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense. It's a very remote
[36:47] Speaker 2: area of the world, so you know, they could be
[36:51] Speaker 2: hiding in the mountain ranges you hear about, you know,
[36:55] Speaker 2: these entities like at Mount Hayes, they be hiding in
[37:00] Speaker 2: the water up there. You know a lot of different
[37:02] Speaker 2: things could be going on. And you know also elsewhere
[37:05] Speaker 2: around the world and around the country. I know there's
[37:08] Speaker 2: a lot of reports out of like the San Diego
[37:10] Speaker 2: area offshore where people have seen this phenomenon coming in
[37:14] Speaker 2: and out of the water. So it makes a lot
[37:16] Speaker 2: of sense if if they have that technology to be
[37:19] Speaker 2: able to live and adapt underwater or build some sort
[37:21] Speaker 2: of colony down there, you know, it would be hidden
[37:25] Speaker 2: and out of the way of prying eyes, as we'd
[37:28] Speaker 2: we have with all of our technology, we've only mapped
[37:31] Speaker 2: a very very small percentage of our seas. It gets
[37:36] Speaker 2: very very deep and hard to be able to penetrate
[37:38] Speaker 2: down there. You know, you'll hear reports a lot of
[37:41] Speaker 2: times of you know, they you know, scientists had investigated
[37:45] Speaker 2: some you know area and discovered new marine life, you know,
[37:49] Speaker 2: so we're we're still discovering things down there. It's still
[37:51] Speaker 2: an uncharted area.
[37:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that there's a lot to be
[37:56] Speaker 1: discovered there and underground as well. Going back to places
[38:00] Speaker 1: like Skinwalker Ranch, the aerospace companies, in certain three letter
[38:05] Speaker 1: agencies and government interests in there, they're not necessarily going
[38:08] Speaker 1: out there and looking to the skies, although there is
[38:11] Speaker 1: a lot of strange phenomenon UFOs that are occurring in
[38:14] Speaker 1: the skies, but these places are mainly looking underground for anomalies.
[38:18] Speaker 1: They're looking for magnetic anomalies and strange occurrences, and I
[38:23] Speaker 1: think that there is something to that. I think that
[38:27] Speaker 1: under the surface or inside mountain ranges is a place
[38:31] Speaker 1: that a lot of exploration should be done. And I
[38:34] Speaker 1: think we could get a lot more answers if we
[38:37] Speaker 1: start doing things like looking underground and looking underwater.
[38:41] Speaker 2: Absolutely, and specifically with Skinwalker. Yeah, they've seen a lot
[38:44] Speaker 2: of phenomena in the skies there, but they're attributing a
[38:48] Speaker 2: lot of that to the strange magnetic characteristics that are
[38:52] Speaker 2: coming out of the ground there. So I think it
[38:55] Speaker 2: goes back to one of these areas. You have that
[38:57] Speaker 2: magnetism of the Earth's core that's rising up on the
[39:00] Speaker 2: ground and it's interacting with different metals, minerals, water, things
[39:03] Speaker 2: like this as it's coming up through the Earth's crust,
[39:06] Speaker 2: and depending on what's there in the ground, it's going
[39:09] Speaker 2: to create a lot of this different type of activity.
[39:12] Speaker 3: So but.
[39:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, when it comes to like the American Southwest, some
[39:19] Speaker 2: of these different areas and things that are going on
[39:22] Speaker 2: within the ground, people talk about not necessarily hollow earth,
[39:25] Speaker 2: but large cavernous areas within the ground, like hollow areas
[39:29] Speaker 2: within the ground in which you could have you know,
[39:33] Speaker 2: civilizations that are living down there. You know, you have
[39:39] Speaker 2: you know stories of like the the Ant people from
[39:41] Speaker 2: some of your Native American legends that basically during the cataclysm,
[39:48] Speaker 2: you know, people were brought underground by the Ant people
[39:51] Speaker 2: lived there until the cataclysm had subsided, and then they
[39:55] Speaker 2: came back on you know, upground to the surface. So
[39:58] Speaker 2: you know, where were those areas, what were those living
[40:02] Speaker 2: conditions like. But then you look at other areas like
[40:05] Speaker 2: darren Cooy, You you know, here's this massive cave system
[40:08] Speaker 2: in which people were living underground for and it seems
[40:11] Speaker 2: at different points in time, not just once, but over
[40:15] Speaker 2: the millennia, several different times that was used by different people.
[40:19] Speaker 2: So do we have other things like that under the
[40:21] Speaker 2: ground maybe here in the United States? I absolutely believe.
[40:25] Speaker 1: So, Yeah, it makes me wonder how much our governments
[40:30] Speaker 1: and black projects and three letter agencies really know about this.
[40:34] Speaker 1: And we know for a very long time they've been
[40:37] Speaker 1: looking into things and actually implementing things like remote viewing, telekinesis,
[40:43] Speaker 1: PSI phenomenon and all these kind of high strange woo
[40:47] Speaker 1: woo things that our government has actually been involved with
[40:51] Speaker 1: and probably still are in many aspects. But it makes
[40:55] Speaker 1: me wonder how much they actually have discovered about things
[40:59] Speaker 1: having to do with this particular phenomenon, because we know
[41:03] Speaker 1: that they have been looking into it, and I personally
[41:06] Speaker 1: think the lot they know a lot more than they
[41:08] Speaker 1: would ever let on.
[41:10] Speaker 2: What do you think, Oh yeah, oh yeah, they always
[41:12] Speaker 2: they always know a lot more than they're letting on.
[41:15] Speaker 2: You know, they have a lot of technology, they keep
[41:19] Speaker 2: a lot of things safeguarded. There's certain areas of the
[41:21] Speaker 2: country that you know, people you know, would like to
[41:24] Speaker 2: visit in camp because all of a sudden it's been
[41:25] Speaker 2: courted off. Like there's an area there over by the
[41:28] Speaker 2: Grand Canyon that's sectioned off by NASA. What's NASA doing
[41:33] Speaker 2: out there at the Grand Canyon? You know, it's it's
[41:35] Speaker 2: totally bizarre. But you have areas like this of the
[41:37] Speaker 2: country where you know, all of a sudden you can't
[41:40] Speaker 2: get to because there's a government or a military presence.
[41:44] Speaker 2: And so, yeah, there's a lot more going on that
[41:47] Speaker 2: they're aware of. You mentioned, like they're remote viewing. You
[41:50] Speaker 2: have Project Stargate, which was really that's the name that
[41:52] Speaker 2: was given to it in the early nineties, but it
[41:54] Speaker 2: was actually several different projects over the year, but recent
[41:57] Speaker 2: really it came out of the Stanford Research Institute. You
[41:59] Speaker 2: had a lot of uh, you know, very good remote
[42:02] Speaker 2: viewers within that project that discovered a lot of different things.
[42:05] Speaker 2: They're very very good at it. And that's where we
[42:07] Speaker 2: get the likes of stories of Pat Price remote viewing
[42:09] Speaker 2: into Mount Hayes and things like that. And you know,
[42:14] Speaker 2: you kind of you kind of almost have to take
[42:15] Speaker 2: his word for it because some of the things that
[42:17] Speaker 2: he did remote view of, you know, whether it was
[42:21] Speaker 2: out in Russia or even some of the things like
[42:23] Speaker 2: when he was first being tested, he remote viewed something
[42:27] Speaker 2: in in Virginia that was you know, it turned out
[42:30] Speaker 2: to be a government facility that you know, CIA came
[42:34] Speaker 2: back and said, hey, you know what, what's this going
[42:36] Speaker 2: on over here? Is see some sort of spies. We're
[42:38] Speaker 2: just doing our remote viewing testing. Uh So, when you know,
[42:42] Speaker 2: he remote views Mount Hayes and he has all these
[42:46] Speaker 2: other things different going on, he's able to view, and
[42:48] Speaker 2: all of a sudden he has a very strange death
[42:52] Speaker 2: in Las Vegas after just visiting the NSA and it
[42:57] Speaker 2: was a Navy Defense organization goes to Vegas and all
[43:01] Speaker 2: of a sudden, mysteriously, you know, dies that night after dinner,
[43:05] Speaker 2: and his body is immediately cremated before his wife is
[43:10] Speaker 2: able even to get onto the scene. You know, it's
[43:12] Speaker 2: just totally bizarre.
[43:14] Speaker 1: Now, I want to get into portals a bit. I
[43:17] Speaker 1: know that you were at I think it was the
[43:19] Speaker 1: twenty twenty one Laughlin UFO conference. We hung out there,
[43:22] Speaker 1: We had a great time. And I don't know if
[43:25] Speaker 1: you you probably did if you saw Trey Hudson's presentation
[43:30] Speaker 1: about the meadow and this was this was an amazing presentation,
[43:35] Speaker 1: especially the video footage that he showed of his team
[43:40] Speaker 1: seemingly interacting with what could have possibly been a portal.
[43:45] Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, that he sent
[43:47] Speaker 1: his team out to investigate this, like I don't know
[43:50] Speaker 1: how big it was, but a massive black manifestation of
[43:54] Speaker 1: what appeared to be this cube in the meadow, and
[43:57] Speaker 1: his team actually were able to into this, and on
[44:01] Speaker 1: the infrared camera you could see that they were actually
[44:05] Speaker 1: no longer putting off a heat signature whenever they went
[44:09] Speaker 1: into this, and they were very disoriented upon entry. They
[44:13] Speaker 1: had a temperature drop seemingly They're surroundings changed and they
[44:17] Speaker 1: had to backtrack to exit out of this portal. And
[44:20] Speaker 1: this was probably the most compelling thing I've ever seen
[44:23] Speaker 1: when it comes to evidence of this stuff. But for you,
[44:27] Speaker 1: is there any other have you come across any other
[44:30] Speaker 1: profound evidence or stories or our tales about portals?
[44:35] Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, yea, NASA admits that they have detected a
[44:39] Speaker 2: portal they call an X point just outside of Earth
[44:43] Speaker 2: and basically is that area in which the solar flares
[44:48] Speaker 2: from the Earth, the solar wind interacts with our magnetic shield.
[44:53] Speaker 2: And so they say that there is a portal there
[44:56] Speaker 2: that is opening and closing, and they don't know where
[44:59] Speaker 2: it goes, but but it's there. And there was just
[45:03] Speaker 2: an article that I posted I think it was a
[45:05] Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, where in the lab they created
[45:10] Speaker 2: a very very small what they're calling a wormhole. So
[45:13] Speaker 2: this is something that you know, our science is very
[45:16] Speaker 2: interested in developing. Of course, for long term, that's probably
[45:20] Speaker 2: going to be the way that we're going to have
[45:21] Speaker 2: to travel around the cosmos is through some sort of portal, wormhole,
[45:25] Speaker 2: stargate sort of thing. But they do exist here, you know,
[45:28] Speaker 2: on Earth, and we mentioned it before. I talked a
[45:31] Speaker 2: little bit about it before with the Douglas Skymaster. Could
[45:33] Speaker 2: it have traveled through a portal? You know Bruce Gernon
[45:37] Speaker 2: who had his experience there in the Bermuda Triangle, he
[45:41] Speaker 2: described his experience with this as like an electronic fog
[45:48] Speaker 2: and when he basically formed a tunnel in front of
[45:51] Speaker 2: his airplane as he was flying through it, and all
[45:55] Speaker 2: of a sudden came out on the other side in
[45:57] Speaker 2: the city of Miami was below him, and Miami wasn't
[46:01] Speaker 2: supposed to show up under him for another hour and
[46:02] Speaker 2: a half, and yet it's been three minutes and there
[46:04] Speaker 2: it is. Uh so some sort of you know portal
[46:08] Speaker 2: that had that had jumped him ahead in time. So
[46:12] Speaker 2: there there are these things around the world that people
[46:15] Speaker 2: are able to interact with, and I think that's where
[46:18] Speaker 2: we get a lot of our uh you know, strange
[46:20] Speaker 2: stories about you know, different encounters or people have uh
[46:24] Speaker 2: you know, missing time, or maybe there's some sort of
[46:26] Speaker 2: creature entity that comes out of these that they are
[46:29] Speaker 2: able to interact with. So so yeah, I've you know,
[46:32] Speaker 2: I'm familiar with with Trey's work there on that.
[46:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, Now you mentioned creatures that that people have interacted with.
[46:40] Speaker 1: I know you've done some some research into the high
[46:43] Speaker 1: strange creatures are surrounding the Alaska Triangle and in that
[46:47] Speaker 1: area in the north. Uh, what are some of the
[46:50] Speaker 1: crazy cryptids that you have researched.
[46:54] Speaker 2: Well, I mean when it comes to yeah, when it
[46:58] Speaker 2: comes to Alaska specific, of course, you know they have
[47:00] Speaker 2: sasquatch sightings up there. They have what they call the
[47:04] Speaker 2: Kushta Cup, which is basically in half man half otter
[47:08] Speaker 2: type instinct, which is really kind of reminiscent of the
[47:11] Speaker 2: wind to Go type tales, where you know, they kind
[47:13] Speaker 2: of lure people out into the woods and either or
[47:18] Speaker 2: they kill the person and eat them.
[47:20] Speaker 1: Now did you see half man half otter. I'm just
[47:22] Speaker 1: trying to pass half.
[47:23] Speaker 2: Man half hotter. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, half man half otter.
[47:29] Speaker 2: Either kill and eat the person or they turn them
[47:31] Speaker 2: into another Kushtaka, which is what happens with Windogo that
[47:34] Speaker 2: they're either going to eat them or they're going to
[47:35] Speaker 2: turn them into another Windo Go. So yeah, a lot
[47:39] Speaker 2: of interesting tales like that are like the Lake Ilamna monster,
[47:41] Speaker 2: which is kind of reminiscent of Locke nests and things
[47:45] Speaker 2: like that. So it seems like every area you know,
[47:47] Speaker 2: has their their different legends and uh in creatures and
[47:53] Speaker 2: superstitions and things like that. And I always say that
[47:57] Speaker 2: there's there's a grain of truth to all of this.
[48:00] Speaker 2: And I was just mentioned it the other day on
[48:04] Speaker 2: on my show or am My Connected, Connecting the Universe class.
[48:07] Speaker 2: We were doing a year end and now I highlighted
[48:11] Speaker 2: a book by Gregory Fourth It's called Between Ape and Man. Now,
[48:16] Speaker 2: he's an anthropologist. You know, this is somebody from the
[48:19] Speaker 2: scientific field. And when you're reading this book, it's like,
[48:22] Speaker 2: wait a second, he's talking about he's talked about cryptids
[48:27] Speaker 2: on these islands in the in the South Pacific over
[48:29] Speaker 2: by the Island of Flores It's you know, here's an
[48:31] Speaker 2: anthropologist talking about this. So it's like, Okay, here's you know,
[48:35] Speaker 2: somebody from the scientific community. They saying, wait a second,
[48:37] Speaker 2: there is something to all of these stories that people
[48:40] Speaker 2: are talking about.
[48:41] Speaker 1: Now, what are your thoughts on some of these cryptids
[48:44] Speaker 1: like Bigfoot? There's there is a ton of different theories
[48:47] Speaker 1: about what this being could be. You know, something he's
[48:51] Speaker 1: just it's just a lost hominid. But there's evidence that
[48:53] Speaker 1: there's much more to this evidence that it's been associated
[48:57] Speaker 1: with things like portals and disappearing into thin air, and
[49:00] Speaker 1: having consciousness abilities, being able to communicate psychically. And I've
[49:06] Speaker 1: also had very compelling testimony from guests that say that
[49:10] Speaker 1: they've not only had encounters with Bigfoot, but Bigfoot interacting
[49:15] Speaker 1: with a dog man and then having psychic communication amongst
[49:19] Speaker 1: all three. So there's some very strange stuff going on
[49:22] Speaker 1: with this. Do you think that these beings are physical
[49:26] Speaker 1: in some aspect and that they just have the ability
[49:29] Speaker 1: to phase in and out of our reality, our dimension,
[49:34] Speaker 1: that they might have a these abilities to interact with
[49:38] Speaker 1: a state of matter that we don't understand, to actually
[49:42] Speaker 1: manifest between these realms.
[49:46] Speaker 2: That's a really good question. You know, there are a
[49:48] Speaker 2: lot of different theories, and you kind of rattled off
[49:50] Speaker 2: whole bunch of them right there.
[49:53] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[49:53] Speaker 2: I think there's still the areas of physicality, you know too,
[49:56] Speaker 2: because people do you know, physically see these things with
[49:59] Speaker 2: their eyes. We have seen some of the prints and
[50:01] Speaker 2: things like that. Could they be a lost hominid, you know,
[50:04] Speaker 2: very very possibly? Are they related to the giants? Possibly?
[50:09] Speaker 2: You know, there are stories of you know, even other
[50:12] Speaker 2: types of creatures like the wooly mammoth that you know,
[50:15] Speaker 2: there could be small pockets of them still stashed away
[50:19] Speaker 2: up in Alaska somewhere, you know, because it's so remote
[50:21] Speaker 2: and there's many places that are unexplored. You know, are
[50:24] Speaker 2: are they hiding in these areas? And you know, same
[50:26] Speaker 2: thing with sasquatch. You know, they could be in some
[50:27] Speaker 2: of these very remote areas and other locations where it's
[50:32] Speaker 2: very very hard to explore. But then yeah, you have
[50:35] Speaker 2: the ideas of other some sort are they actually some
[50:38] Speaker 2: sort of interdimensial being or some sort of ety or
[50:41] Speaker 2: some sort of ultra terrestrial that are coming into our
[50:43] Speaker 2: plane of existence through maybe some sort of portal, because
[50:47] Speaker 2: you have a lot of these people that just for instance,
[50:50] Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about disappearances and things like that.
[50:53] Speaker 2: Before you know, you have a lot of people that
[50:55] Speaker 2: disappear out into the wilderness, and some people say, you know,
[50:58] Speaker 2: the Sasquatch got them. Some people just legitimately get lost
[51:01] Speaker 2: in the woods. But then you have others that say,
[51:04] Speaker 2: well it was on the that actually get found or
[51:07] Speaker 2: find their way back. Finally that will say well I
[51:10] Speaker 2: was on the path, I was on the trail, and
[51:12] Speaker 2: I heard a sound off to the side, and I
[51:15] Speaker 2: took two steps off the path to see what in
[51:19] Speaker 2: the world was making the sound. Didn't see anything, didn't
[51:22] Speaker 2: find anything, turn around to get back on the path,
[51:24] Speaker 2: and the path is gone. You know, all of a sudden,
[51:26] Speaker 2: they're lost in the woods after just taking two steps
[51:28] Speaker 2: off of the path. What in the world happened? And
[51:31] Speaker 2: it's almost like, you know, they got you know, they
[51:33] Speaker 2: stepped into into some sort of portal. Maybe they got
[51:36] Speaker 2: teleported somewhere, you know, And is that how if this
[51:39] Speaker 2: is happening to humans, you know, is that how some
[51:42] Speaker 2: of these different creatures like the Sasquatch are moving around.
[51:46] Speaker 2: Are they moving through portals or do they have some
[51:48] Speaker 2: sort of technology that they're able to teleport from one
[51:52] Speaker 2: location to another? If you know, human beings that are
[51:54] Speaker 2: getting lost in the woods are describing this same sort
[51:58] Speaker 2: of phenomenon as how they got lost.
[52:01] Speaker 1: Right now, I'd love to get your thoughts on the
[52:03] Speaker 1: last few minutes. We have a couple of different things. First,
[52:06] Speaker 1: on what's been coming out in our mainstream media and
[52:11] Speaker 1: from levels of our government in the Pentagon and military
[52:14] Speaker 1: about UFOs. Seemingly they are painting this as that they're
[52:19] Speaker 1: concerned that this could be a threat, a threat to
[52:22] Speaker 1: national security, which you know, there are aspects of that
[52:25] Speaker 1: that makes sense. But the biggest thing to me is
[52:27] Speaker 1: if these things have been around as long as we've
[52:30] Speaker 1: been around and they wanted to destroy us, it seems
[52:33] Speaker 1: like they could have done it a thousand times over
[52:36] Speaker 1: in many different ways. So I'm not sure if that's
[52:39] Speaker 1: what's going on, but there are interesting aspects that are
[52:42] Speaker 1: coming out right now, and it makes me wonder if
[52:46] Speaker 1: we are just trying to roll out some technology that
[52:49] Speaker 1: we have already, if we're just trying to get ahead
[52:53] Speaker 1: of information that will be coming out that would be
[52:56] Speaker 1: detrimental to our government. If the mass is found out
[53:00] Speaker 1: and it wasn't revealed through that direct source, I don't know.
[53:04] Speaker 1: What do you think is could possibly behind this mainstream disclosure?
[53:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, First of all, I do want to say that
[53:13] Speaker 2: back in June during that UAP hearing, that Mike Gallagher
[53:15] Speaker 2: became my new favorite congressman. The way he was, the
[53:19] Speaker 2: way he was grilling those guys Pray and what was
[53:22] Speaker 2: his name, Malri, They had like no clue about the
[53:25] Speaker 2: Malstrom case. It's like, how can you guys, you know,
[53:27] Speaker 2: be representatives of these organizations and not know a thing
[53:30] Speaker 2: about the Malkstrom case. And Gallagher called him out on that,
[53:33] Speaker 2: which was great. So it's, for one, it's great that
[53:37] Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about it now. For years and
[53:39] Speaker 2: years and years, for decades, they just did not want
[53:43] Speaker 2: to talk about it at all. It was like, you know,
[53:44] Speaker 2: they ended blue Book and they said, you know, that
[53:47] Speaker 2: was it, and we knew there was a lot more
[53:49] Speaker 2: to the store. I mean, seven hundred and one cases
[53:51] Speaker 2: were still open from blue Book, but they tried to
[53:54] Speaker 2: just you know, toss them under the rug and say, no,
[53:58] Speaker 2: we're done with it. But I think the technology that's
[54:01] Speaker 2: gotten into the common person's hands through like our cell phones,
[54:05] Speaker 2: our cameras, things like that, we are able to record, uh,
[54:10] Speaker 2: you know, in fairly good detail these days, things that
[54:13] Speaker 2: are happening in the skies, in the air. And now
[54:16] Speaker 2: you have these uh you know, releases of some of
[54:19] Speaker 2: the navy footage and things like that. So so they
[54:21] Speaker 2: can no longer just sit back and just deny, deny, deny,
[54:24] Speaker 2: Oh nothing's going on, and you know, come up with
[54:26] Speaker 2: little excuses for what's happening. You know, they have to
[54:29] Speaker 2: at least admit something and so and so this is
[54:34] Speaker 2: kind of like the first baby step into you know, actually,
[54:37] Speaker 2: you know, admitting and disclosing something. But I think they're
[54:41] Speaker 2: still trying to frame it in a way that will
[54:44] Speaker 2: take us off the scent of what's really going on.
[54:47] Speaker 2: Is some of it, you know, our own technology that
[54:52] Speaker 2: we are witnessing, things that the United States government is developing. Yeah, sure,
[54:56] Speaker 2: I mean we've seen that happen in the past. H
[55:00] Speaker 2: The idea that you know there in some ways are
[55:03] Speaker 2: trying to scare us. They're they're saying, well, you know,
[55:05] Speaker 2: this could be an enemy's technology that is, you know,
[55:10] Speaker 2: entering into our airspace. Well, I mean, while that's possible,
[55:15] Speaker 2: you know, I I just really don't think that's the case.
[55:18] Speaker 2: But I think they use that as a scare tactic.
[55:22] Speaker 2: So so throws us off the sin like, oh, okay,
[55:24] Speaker 2: you have a mix that's of course, that's a logical explanation.
[55:27] Speaker 2: You know, could be some sort of enemy. Well okay, fine,
[55:30] Speaker 2: if that's an enemy that's doing that, that's an act
[55:31] Speaker 2: of war. So you know, there would be some sort
[55:35] Speaker 2: of retaliation to that if if it was you know,
[55:38] Speaker 2: some other foreign power that was putting things in our
[55:40] Speaker 2: airspace like that. So so so, No, I don't think
[55:44] Speaker 2: that all of these other ones that are not us,
[55:47] Speaker 2: you know, are a foreign power. I think it's something
[55:51] Speaker 2: to throw us off the sin and but you know,
[55:55] Speaker 2: it's again, it's the first baby step, and we you know, collectively,
[56:01] Speaker 2: we'll still have to try to do our best to
[56:02] Speaker 2: really get to the root of of what's going on there.
[56:05] Speaker 2: You know, I do think it's something, whether it's et
[56:08] Speaker 2: or ultraterrestrial from some other dimension, something's going on out
[56:13] Speaker 2: there for sure.
[56:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited about the times we're in, all the
[56:18] Speaker 1: wonderful researchers like yourself that are connecting these different types
[56:22] Speaker 1: of phenomenon from ufology and the connection to our consciousness
[56:26] Speaker 1: and the spirit realms and all these fantastic things. Before
[56:31] Speaker 1: you head out, Mike, tell us about what you're doing
[56:33] Speaker 1: with the Connecting the Universe class.
[56:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Connecting the Universe. That's my weekly class on Wednesdays.
[56:39] Speaker 2: We just had our last last one for the year,
[56:43] Speaker 2: you know, this past Wednesday, eight o'clock pm Eastern times.
[56:46] Speaker 2: So it's part of the Connected Universe portal, which is
[56:49] Speaker 2: you know, a greater encompassing learning platforms. So Connecting Universes
[56:53] Speaker 2: are our weekly class, but then there's all kinds of
[56:57] Speaker 2: other stuff on the back end, like all kinds of articles.
[57:00] Speaker 2: You have behind the scenes sneak peak videos, you have
[57:02] Speaker 2: monthly Q and A videos. I have a morning Mug
[57:07] Speaker 2: video where it's just you know, me taking a topic
[57:10] Speaker 2: and kind of running with it or maybe doing something
[57:11] Speaker 2: a little off color. Yeah, it's a wonderful learning platform
[57:15] Speaker 2: that people can come interact, learn a lot, ask questions,
[57:19] Speaker 2: you know, kind of have those conversations, and yeah, I
[57:22] Speaker 2: invite people out to connect the universeportal dot com.
[57:26] Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, Mike, this was fantastic. We'll definitely have to
[57:28] Speaker 1: do it again soon before you head out. Let everyone
[57:31] Speaker 1: know where they can find your channel, website, everything you
[57:35] Speaker 1: got going on social media, all the good stuff.
[57:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, well connect to universeport dot com. Also in
[57:40] Speaker 2: Mike Ricksecker dot com. That's my official website where you
[57:44] Speaker 2: can find home by books and everything. You can find
[57:46] Speaker 2: information about the tours out there, Egypt, Alaska, all of that.
[57:51] Speaker 2: I do have my own YouTube channel. Social media, you
[57:53] Speaker 2: can find me Mike Ricksecker, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, all
[57:58] Speaker 2: those wonderful places.
[58:00] Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, thank you again, Mike An Like I said,
[58:02] Speaker 1: We'll do it again soon and until next time, everyone
[58:05] Speaker 1: to have an excellent today. I want to welcome back
[58:07] Speaker 1: to the show Truth Cicca.
[58:09] Speaker 2: He is a.
[58:10] Speaker 1: Christian mystic, best selling author, visionary artist, seer, and songwriter.
[58:16] Speaker 1: He has released over two hundred songs, each one relating
[58:20] Speaker 1: to the subject of spirituality. His journey has brought him
[58:23] Speaker 1: through research and experience with the occult, paranormal, Christianity, ufology,
[58:28] Speaker 1: and the spirit realm. This has led him into many
[58:32] Speaker 1: mystical encounters with God, angel, spirits, and many other supernatural beings.
[58:38] Speaker 1: As the host of the Truth Seka podcast, he has
[58:41] Speaker 1: interviewed hundreds of experts and leaders in their fields of supernatural, religious, philosophical,
[58:48] Speaker 1: and paranormal studies. His desire is to help people embrace
[58:52] Speaker 1: the reality of the spiritual world so they can walk
[58:56] Speaker 1: in supernatural freedom in their lives. Siko, welcome back. How
[59:01] Speaker 1: you doing.
[59:03] Speaker 3: Hey, I'm well brother, how are you?
[59:05] Speaker 1: I'm amazing man, I can't complain. It's good to have
[59:08] Speaker 1: you back. And this week we've been diving deep into
[59:11] Speaker 1: the possible true nature of our reality and anything that
[59:15] Speaker 1: exists beyond our human perception. We're going to continue that today.
[59:19] Speaker 1: I want to get your understanding of some of the
[59:22] Speaker 1: possible intelligences and entities that may surround us at all
[59:27] Speaker 1: times that exists beyond spectrum of our vision. These beings
[59:31] Speaker 1: have been called angels, demons, disincarnate spirits, jen possibly even
[59:37] Speaker 1: with some consider extraterrestrials. And you've had your own profound
[59:41] Speaker 1: experiences with some of these entities, which I want to
[59:45] Speaker 1: get into as well as your understanding of them. Before
[59:48] Speaker 1: we get into any of that, it's been a little
[59:50] Speaker 1: while since you've been on. Just remind the audience a
[59:53] Speaker 1: little bit about yourself and what led you down your path.
[59:57] Speaker 3: Awesome man, Yeah, thank you. Inn love to talk about
[1:00:00] Speaker 3: all that stuff for sure. Definitely right up my alley
[1:00:04] Speaker 3: had a lot of encounters, and you know what led
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: me to the work that I do today is an
[1:00:11] Speaker 3: encounter with some type of entity when I was just
[1:00:16] Speaker 3: a child four years old, having a sleep paralysis experience,
[1:00:20] Speaker 3: waking up in the middle of the night with something
[1:00:23] Speaker 3: in the room, some type of shadow beings on my chest,
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: pinning me down to the bed, and so that stuck
[1:00:29] Speaker 3: with me and growing up adolescents telling ghost stories at
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: sleepovers and things. I try to find ways to kind
[1:00:38] Speaker 3: of weave that in and ask people if they've ever
[1:00:40] Speaker 3: had that happen, And finally, becoming a teenager, you hear
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: people say yeah, or you know, my dad has had
[1:00:46] Speaker 3: that happen, and yeah, there was a little man walked
[1:00:48] Speaker 3: in my room a shadow and I seen it and
[1:00:51] Speaker 3: it ran. I was like, oh wow, okay, what is this?
[1:00:53] Speaker 3: So yeah, tracing everything I do back, you know, to
[1:00:56] Speaker 3: these monumental moments of my life, and that was definitely
[1:00:59] Speaker 3: one of the first that got me into asking the bigger,
[1:01:01] Speaker 3: deeper questions in life right on and.
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: You mentioned it was a sleep paralysis event. I've had
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: my own experiences with this a long time ago. It
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: was over ten years ago, I believe, and it was
[1:01:13] Speaker 1: actually during a dark time in my life. I was
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: in a bad relationship, going through a divorce, and what
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: I experienced, what I thought was just you know, the
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: typical scientific explanation of sleep paralysis, that it's a natural
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: thing that occurs. But I have a different understanding now.
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: I do believe that it is much more then mainstream
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: science would like to let on. But it all stopped
[1:01:36] Speaker 1: for me whenever I was done with my divorce and
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: I got myself into a better state of mind. Did
[1:01:42] Speaker 1: you find the same thing happened for you? Did you
[1:01:45] Speaker 1: still have experiences Up until now.
[1:01:50] Speaker 3: It's only been a couple like that. And again, I
[1:01:53] Speaker 3: was a kid, so I don't know if it was
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: anything that I attracted to me, but the environment my
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: mom and dad they were you know, they were into
[1:02:03] Speaker 3: the party scene and stuff like that, and they have
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: big parties all the time with a lot of strange
[1:02:07] Speaker 3: individuals in and out the house. So you know, me
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: thinking about that a little bit, like those people having
[1:02:14] Speaker 3: things on them and then using drugs and all kinds
[1:02:16] Speaker 3: of just wild stuff going on back in the eighties,
[1:02:20] Speaker 3: and so that that just makes me wonder, you know,
[1:02:22] Speaker 3: with the parents led into the home, something may have
[1:02:25] Speaker 3: lingered or was in there messing with the children while
[1:02:28] Speaker 3: you know, the parents are passed out and everybody's gone
[1:02:31] Speaker 3: home or whatever the case is, you know, children in
[1:02:33] Speaker 3: the bed of sleep. So I you know, I'm a student,
[1:02:37] Speaker 3: and so I have more questions, and I'll always have
[1:02:40] Speaker 3: more questions, you know, But but I've you know, starting
[1:02:45] Speaker 3: to piece things together, and like you're saying at the
[1:02:47] Speaker 3: beginning with the introduction, It's like there's so much, so
[1:02:51] Speaker 3: many moving parts, and is it an alien gray? Is it? This?
[1:02:54] Speaker 3: Is it that you know? Why are they here? So
[1:02:57] Speaker 3: much research that that I've been doing, and and and
[1:03:01] Speaker 3: every day there's like a new lead or a new
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: possibility that starts making a lot more of this phenomenon
[1:03:07] Speaker 3: makes sense. But yeah, them being attracted to or I
[1:03:13] Speaker 3: would go as far as to use the word feed
[1:03:15] Speaker 3: on types of feelings that that that humans have, and
[1:03:20] Speaker 3: so they are attracted to you and come to to
[1:03:24] Speaker 3: drain or suck that energy. And that's something that I've
[1:03:26] Speaker 3: been studying a lot lately actually from the Bible. To
[1:03:29] Speaker 3: be honest with you.
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: Well, let's get into your understanding of what some of
[1:03:34] Speaker 1: these entities are. I believe there's a duality in these realms.
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: There are benevolent and benevolent beings. Let's start with the
[1:03:43] Speaker 1: possible negative aspects. You were mentioning beings that can drain
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: your energy in some ways. What is your understanding of
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: what these entities are?
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, So at this point, again, because there's there's so
[1:03:59] Speaker 3: there's so many, right, there's all of these worlds of
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: layers that overlap and within the worlds. There's different types
[1:04:05] Speaker 3: of entities for sure. So all of this it's definitely
[1:04:10] Speaker 3: explained multidimensionally, like you're saying. And so all of this
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: that we're talking about with with entities, you can explain
[1:04:20] Speaker 3: with people. Because these people are personas or archetypes that
[1:04:25] Speaker 3: that drain you. There's people in your life that that
[1:04:28] Speaker 3: drain you, or that that have spirits in them or
[1:04:32] Speaker 3: around them that kind of just come off through conversation
[1:04:35] Speaker 3: or that kind of thing. But I really like to
[1:04:37] Speaker 3: dive into the spiritual aspect around it. So you have
[1:04:41] Speaker 3: disembodied spirit spirits of what people would call the fallen angels,
[1:04:46] Speaker 3: but more in a sense of the children that were
[1:04:51] Speaker 3: disobedient of the fallen angels and humans, if you will,
[1:04:56] Speaker 3: that their first rebellion that they parted into their children,
[1:05:02] Speaker 3: that part of them can't so called a sin back
[1:05:05] Speaker 3: into the heavens, and it's stuck here in this realm
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: in between the worlds, seeking rest and finding none, and
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: seems like they get off on tormenting individuals or being
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: able to stay alive by feeding off of that energy
[1:05:22] Speaker 3: that humans produce, that's that lower level negative energy.
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: Now you said that these beings were the product or
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: offspring of celestial entities and humans. Would this be what
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: we understand from the Bible as the Nephlum.
[1:05:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it's a little bit more. The
[1:05:43] Speaker 3: nephilum conversation is a little bit deeper than that being
[1:05:49] Speaker 3: a negative term, because it's like most researchers will just
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: tell you, like the introduction is like, Okay, all nephilm
[1:05:56] Speaker 3: or evil kind of thing, you know, But it's like,
[1:06:00] Speaker 3: not all the Nephelum chose evil. There was Nephelim who
[1:06:03] Speaker 3: were welcomed back into the heavens. There were nefholin, there
[1:06:06] Speaker 3: were people who chose love and chose righteousness. Their names
[1:06:12] Speaker 3: were changed later on in the Bible kind of thing.
[1:06:14] Speaker 3: So just it's it's so hard with the blanket statements
[1:06:18] Speaker 3: in terms that we've just been easy to put something
[1:06:20] Speaker 3: in a box and generalize it. So I would say
[1:06:23] Speaker 3: the children, So yeah, those Nephelin, but their children that
[1:06:26] Speaker 3: were wicked. So you have a mixture of entities now
[1:06:32] Speaker 3: that are living within a person. I mean, that's what
[1:06:34] Speaker 3: we are. You know, we are a body that has
[1:06:38] Speaker 3: many spirits inside of it. If we want to just
[1:06:41] Speaker 3: go off the very simple basic soul and soul and
[1:06:45] Speaker 3: spirit that dwell together inside of a body. But with that,
[1:06:50] Speaker 3: both the soul and the spirit has many moving parts,
[1:06:53] Speaker 3: but they're all together mingled inside of us.
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: So I've had different searchers on that have different understandings
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: of what people think demons are. And one of the
[1:07:07] Speaker 1: individuals I've had on recent I can't remember his name
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: at the moment, but he believes it's a form of
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: energetic consciousness that is able to communicate with humans and
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: not necessarily physical in any way, some kind of disincarnate spirit.
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: Is that what you understand the demons as.
[1:07:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very again, very hard just to you know, say, yeah,
[1:07:34] Speaker 3: that's what they are kind of thing. But for sure,
[1:07:37] Speaker 3: at least some of them. Let's say that I really
[1:07:41] Speaker 3: lend with what I call the sovereignty of God is
[1:07:44] Speaker 3: what I call this as far as what you were
[1:07:46] Speaker 3: saying about the polarities that exist. So, if we're thinking
[1:07:51] Speaker 3: about a demon or a disembodied spirit that is here
[1:07:54] Speaker 3: to suck and to drain and to take away, the
[1:07:59] Speaker 3: opposite of that would be a higher spirit that is
[1:08:02] Speaker 3: here to give you something, to bring energy, to make
[1:08:06] Speaker 3: you feel better, and to assist you, rather than just
[1:08:09] Speaker 3: to come and take take take bring depression, feed off
[1:08:12] Speaker 3: of your depression, there would be other higher beings that
[1:08:14] Speaker 3: are here to encourage you and feed off of your encouragement.
[1:08:17] Speaker 3: And as you encourage yourself, then you're drawn to your light,
[1:08:22] Speaker 3: or the light that is within you draws more of
[1:08:25] Speaker 3: that type of you know, benevolent entity.
[1:08:30] Speaker 1: So now I've had my own experience with what you
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: would call spiritual attachments. I've had pretty profound removals of
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: these entities, and I want to discuss a little bit
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: about your understanding of what these entities are and the
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: possibilities of how we are attracting them. I know that
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: negative energy, they feed on negative energy, like you were
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: saying earlier, but also the state of mind, mind and
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: the state of physiology that we can put ourselves into,
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: say with illicit substances or something right.
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, those those substance substances and stuff
[1:09:12] Speaker 3: just kind of seem to amplify what's in the individual,
[1:09:18] Speaker 3: even the meditations and practices and stuff like that. Once
[1:09:21] Speaker 3: you tap in, you get to see what you're what
[1:09:26] Speaker 3: you've been entertaining. So if it is these if you're
[1:09:29] Speaker 3: if you're doing if you're living a life that's conducive
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: with those negative spirits, and because you have, you're producing
[1:09:39] Speaker 3: food that they eat, and so they'll continue to show up.
[1:09:43] Speaker 3: And so if you continue to you know, throw food
[1:09:49] Speaker 3: out of your window or something, and you're disposing of
[1:09:53] Speaker 3: your food that way, well, there's certain animals, there are
[1:09:56] Speaker 3: certain insects that you probably never se eat, that are
[1:10:00] Speaker 3: going to come to that window to eat every night.
[1:10:03] Speaker 3: Every night they'll show up and then they'll bring more
[1:10:05] Speaker 3: with them. But when you if you cut that food
[1:10:09] Speaker 3: supply off and you quit throwing your scraps out the
[1:10:11] Speaker 3: window or out the back door, those raccoons and those
[1:10:15] Speaker 3: nocturnal beings or at literal animals in this case that
[1:10:20] Speaker 3: come out at night, they'll they'll they'll leave you alone
[1:10:23] Speaker 3: because they don't have a home there and they can't
[1:10:27] Speaker 3: sustain themselves by what you're what you're feeding them. If
[1:10:30] Speaker 3: you put other things out, they're not going to eat it.
[1:10:32] Speaker 3: So it's I think it's the same way spiritually. If
[1:10:35] Speaker 3: we continue to feed or resonate at, or produce or
[1:10:41] Speaker 3: emanate that kind of frequency that attracts them to you.
[1:10:45] Speaker 3: So depression, negativity, fear, terror, all of the terms that
[1:10:51] Speaker 3: we would equate with with you know, the lower level hurtful,
[1:10:56] Speaker 3: shameful things. Yeah, it would attract that, and again for
[1:11:00] Speaker 3: the opposite, for that of love and light and beauty,
[1:11:03] Speaker 3: to cut that off. So it's sinply what you'll call fasting,
[1:11:07] Speaker 3: fasting in prayer. You know that's that's a spiritual way
[1:11:10] Speaker 3: to look at fasting, because it totally is. And the
[1:11:12] Speaker 3: scripture says, some demons only come out by prayer and fasting.
[1:11:18] Speaker 3: I'm not a good habitation for you. I'm not feeding
[1:11:21] Speaker 3: you anymore. I'm not thinking when I think those thoughts
[1:11:24] Speaker 3: come up. I'm not you know, I'm not giving you attention,
[1:11:27] Speaker 3: and I'm trying to get you out of me. But
[1:11:31] Speaker 3: then physical fasting literally not eating food, because again when
[1:11:35] Speaker 3: we're talking about the multiverse, all of these realms are connected.
[1:11:39] Speaker 3: So not eating food that attract certain ailments, attract certain
[1:11:45] Speaker 3: things in your body, and so I am you know,
[1:11:51] Speaker 3: maybe eating meat for some people attract certain types of
[1:11:57] Speaker 3: beings because we we secrete whatever's within us. So it's
[1:12:01] Speaker 3: not what goes into the man's mouth that makes him unclean,
[1:12:03] Speaker 3: but what comes out. So what's coming out of you,
[1:12:08] Speaker 3: they're a cleanup crew, and I think that that's what
[1:12:12] Speaker 3: they're attracted to. Being able to transmute things within your body. Now,
[1:12:17] Speaker 3: that's an interesting subject. Even though it comes in or
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: you're around negativity and all of that, that environment, it
[1:12:24] Speaker 3: doesn't cling to you. You see it, you're around it,
[1:12:28] Speaker 3: you hear it, your friends. I mean, just the world
[1:12:31] Speaker 3: that we're living in now is that you can't go
[1:12:34] Speaker 3: anywhere without doom and gloom. But on the inside you're
[1:12:37] Speaker 3: vibrating at a higher frequency of light and love, and
[1:12:41] Speaker 3: that stuff outside of you has no effect to you
[1:12:44] Speaker 3: because you're not a good place for that type of information,
[1:12:47] Speaker 3: those type of thoughts which are strongholds, demonic strongholds to
[1:12:52] Speaker 3: take place in you.
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: I've been discussing, like I said earlier in the intro,
[1:12:57] Speaker 1: of the nature of reality and the possibility of what
[1:13:00] Speaker 1: we're doing here, why we're here, what this realm is,
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: and the the idea of arconic controllers or a demiurge
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: or some kind of false god usually comes up in
[1:13:13] Speaker 1: that conversation. The possibility that our reality has been hijacked
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: by these entities at some point in our ancient history,
[1:13:22] Speaker 1: or maybe even sooner than that. But these entities are
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: the ones that are also feeding off of us, keeping
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: us in this perpetual state of reincarnation so that we
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: can keep coming back and they can just keep feeding
[1:13:36] Speaker 1: on us. What do you think about that idea?
[1:13:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to it,
[1:13:43] Speaker 3: but it's it's part of the design. Like you're you're creator,
[1:13:48] Speaker 3: well whatever we call God, like understands this. This is
[1:13:51] Speaker 3: the way that this this works. But it's for reason.
[1:13:55] Speaker 3: It's a it's a this is a test, this is
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: a this is a prison, if you will, Like you're
[1:14:00] Speaker 3: not welcome because you know, many people are just as
[1:14:03] Speaker 3: evil as those that are doing the evil to them.
[1:14:06] Speaker 3: They just don't have the power. They just don't have
[1:14:08] Speaker 3: the authority or the money to do it on a
[1:14:10] Speaker 3: massive level. So and they're the children or they're related
[1:14:16] Speaker 3: to these people, right, But so what I believe is
[1:14:20] Speaker 3: really going on is that this place is a testing
[1:14:23] Speaker 3: place or a sorting place to see where we go
[1:14:26] Speaker 3: or what levels we get access to after this. Now,
[1:14:29] Speaker 3: whether that's to keep coming back and reincarnating. But even
[1:14:33] Speaker 3: if that is happening at which level or which frequency,
[1:14:36] Speaker 3: because I'm diving really deep into this in the scriptures,
[1:14:41] Speaker 3: and reading the Book of Job is very mind blowing
[1:14:46] Speaker 3: to read it with spirit spiritual eyes open and with
[1:14:50] Speaker 3: this in mind, because Job starts out as a king
[1:14:54] Speaker 3: with many people under him and majestic, and he he
[1:15:00] Speaker 3: ended up he would but he was a king that
[1:15:02] Speaker 3: was watching over a kingdom. But he ended up turning
[1:15:05] Speaker 3: a blind eye to things that were going on in
[1:15:07] Speaker 3: the kingdom that were what we're called demonic. He let
[1:15:10] Speaker 3: his offspring do things to people under him, humans if
[1:15:16] Speaker 3: you will, and so he got punished for it. And
[1:15:20] Speaker 3: so what happened was he got demoted to a lower level.
[1:15:23] Speaker 3: So he's at one level and then he incarnates at
[1:15:26] Speaker 3: a lower level. Satan touches his flesh eventually and now
[1:15:30] Speaker 3: he's something else, and eventually he becomes a human. But
[1:15:34] Speaker 3: when we're talking about these types of beings, Job then
[1:15:36] Speaker 3: goes on to start talking about he's something lower than
[1:15:39] Speaker 3: a human. Eventually. In the Book of Job, Job says
[1:15:43] Speaker 3: his skin and his bones have beturned, have turned black,
[1:15:47] Speaker 3: that his his his outer appearance absorbs the light. It
[1:15:52] Speaker 3: sucks it sucks the light, it sucks the energy out.
[1:15:55] Speaker 3: So reading Job with this with this in mind, he
[1:15:58] Speaker 3: starts out as an angelic watcher that turned his blind
[1:16:03] Speaker 3: eye and was demoted, demoted, demoted down the ranks through
[1:16:06] Speaker 3: the dimensions, and eventually became the thing that he feared,
[1:16:10] Speaker 3: which is some type of what we'll call shadow being.
[1:16:13] Speaker 3: The very conversation that we're having right now, that job
[1:16:16] Speaker 3: actually became one. And then he got uh rewarded in
[1:16:23] Speaker 3: the end and got his position back, and everything else
[1:16:26] Speaker 3: came back to him because he was he was tried,
[1:16:30] Speaker 3: he was on trial making his way through these ranks
[1:16:33] Speaker 3: or down these ranks, and and he got shown us
[1:16:36] Speaker 3: as one who who wasn't evil, if you will, He
[1:16:40] Speaker 3: just didn't know any better kind of thing. Now, I
[1:16:42] Speaker 3: think that's I think that that's what's going on here,
[1:16:45] Speaker 3: That some people may be demoted to be one of
[1:16:49] Speaker 3: these leeching spirits after this place, and then some some
[1:16:54] Speaker 3: others may be watching over the humans. Because you know,
[1:16:58] Speaker 3: all of this is met up, all of this is multiverse.
[1:17:01] Speaker 3: It goes. When we're talking about these spiritual ranks and
[1:17:04] Speaker 3: watching over angels and watching over civilizations, you got to
[1:17:07] Speaker 3: first watch over yourself. You first got to guard yourself,
[1:17:11] Speaker 3: guard your thoughts, guard your mind, guard your diet, guard
[1:17:14] Speaker 3: your judgment. Guard your hands all of that. So if
[1:17:18] Speaker 3: you're rewarded by being a great guardian, watcher or a governor,
[1:17:23] Speaker 3: then you're exalted to a higher seat. And the biblical
[1:17:27] Speaker 3: narrative is about this whole changing of orders and demoting
[1:17:32] Speaker 3: and promoting people to higher positions and all of that.
[1:17:36] Speaker 3: So I think that that's what's I really think that
[1:17:38] Speaker 3: that's what's going on now.
[1:17:40] Speaker 1: I want to get to the possible positive aspects that
[1:17:43] Speaker 1: we're looking at what these benevolent entities are. I've had
[1:17:49] Speaker 1: my own what you would call contact experience. For me,
[1:17:53] Speaker 1: it didn't happen until I was seeking spiritual knowledge, until
[1:17:57] Speaker 1: I bettered myself, until I got myself in to a
[1:18:00] Speaker 1: healthy state, and I believe it was It wasn't until
[1:18:04] Speaker 1: I was truly ready to have this experience that it
[1:18:07] Speaker 1: actually occurred. And after that experience, it changed everything in
[1:18:11] Speaker 1: my life. I was just doing this talk show as
[1:18:15] Speaker 1: something that was a hobby before, and I turned it
[1:18:17] Speaker 1: into a career after a series of these experiences that
[1:18:22] Speaker 1: pushed me in that direction. And people have different understandings
[1:18:26] Speaker 1: of what we're communicating with when things like this happened,
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: When profound spiritual events happen, and it betters people's lives.
[1:18:34] Speaker 1: Is it their higher self? Is it an aspect of
[1:18:37] Speaker 1: themselves that is trying to come through and push them
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: a certain way, or is it angelic beings or maybe
[1:18:43] Speaker 1: a combination of everything.
[1:18:45] Speaker 3: What do you think? I think I think the latter.
[1:18:48] Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of it's a combination
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: of it all. When we're talking about ascension and you
[1:18:54] Speaker 3: know where you're going after this place or whatever the
[1:18:56] Speaker 3: case is, we're not just talking about when you die
[1:19:00] Speaker 3: and when you leave here. We're talking about what you
[1:19:01] Speaker 3: have access to now, because whatever light that is in you,
[1:19:06] Speaker 3: you're attracting and resonating at those frequencies, but also spiritually,
[1:19:13] Speaker 3: what you have access to, who your friends are. When
[1:19:16] Speaker 3: we talk about friends in high places and whose name
[1:19:19] Speaker 3: you know, and who can call on you and who
[1:19:21] Speaker 3: will listen. There's protocol all throughout the scriptures about certain
[1:19:27] Speaker 3: like even prayers that God hears, Like you can't just
[1:19:31] Speaker 3: go directly to God and get and demand God's attention,
[1:19:35] Speaker 3: especially if you have blood on your hands and your
[1:19:37] Speaker 3: evil and all of these things. You gain the attention
[1:19:42] Speaker 3: of other other watchers that are under God. So those
[1:19:47] Speaker 3: demonic entities if you will. They exist at a level
[1:19:50] Speaker 3: that's under God and everything happens for a reason. That's
[1:19:54] Speaker 3: the sovereignty is like, hey, if you steal, well, you
[1:19:59] Speaker 3: know this is so been telling you to get your
[1:20:01] Speaker 3: stuff together and quit stealing because you're gonna have to
[1:20:03] Speaker 3: deal with him. And so I think, I think that
[1:20:06] Speaker 3: that's how it's working. And uh, we're getting access to
[1:20:10] Speaker 3: those realms and to those friends and higher dimensions or
[1:20:14] Speaker 3: lower dimensions. And I've been on both, you know, I've been.
[1:20:17] Speaker 3: I started out going you know, backward if you will,
[1:20:20] Speaker 3: getting into the demonic aspect of it as a practitioner,
[1:20:24] Speaker 3: as as just a teenager who was interested in this
[1:20:28] Speaker 3: stuff and opened up some doors and made some agreements
[1:20:31] Speaker 3: with some things that was too powerful for me to close.
[1:20:34] Speaker 3: And so I needed to do what I could, but
[1:20:36] Speaker 3: really I needed I needed assistance. I needed to call
[1:20:39] Speaker 3: upon that higher power. So there's definitely a contrast what
[1:20:44] Speaker 3: what shows up at one level, there's a level of
[1:20:48] Speaker 3: correspondence at the at the other end, well, if it's
[1:20:52] Speaker 3: you know where I feel like Earth is like zero point.
[1:20:56] Speaker 3: This is a place where all the dimensions meet, and
[1:21:00] Speaker 3: so from here you can go up or down and
[1:21:03] Speaker 3: if you go up two levels, there's there's things, there's
[1:21:06] Speaker 3: there's angelic beings, there's all types of things that that
[1:21:10] Speaker 3: are that are privy to you and present for you.
[1:21:13] Speaker 3: But if you was to devolve two levels three levels,
[1:21:18] Speaker 3: whatever is available at positive three, the shadow of it
[1:21:22] Speaker 3: is available at negative three. So we're talking about synchronicities
[1:21:26] Speaker 3: and all of these kind of things that people like, Man,
[1:21:28] Speaker 3: I'm seeing angel numbers, synchronicities, man, and and and and
[1:21:33] Speaker 3: I'm excited about life. What's the what's the opposite of
[1:21:37] Speaker 3: those things? People? And I praise God that not many
[1:21:42] Speaker 3: people know about demon numbers and they don't know about
[1:21:44] Speaker 3: demonic synchronicities where you're seeing numbers, phrases and hearing voices
[1:21:49] Speaker 3: and and they're coming to get you, and they're showing
[1:21:51] Speaker 3: you uh visions of your death and how you're gonna die,
[1:21:54] Speaker 3: and and you're plagued by it. And it's it's the
[1:21:57] Speaker 3: difference between paranoia and where God, the universe, the demons,
[1:22:04] Speaker 3: all of them, and paranoia everything and everyone's out to
[1:22:07] Speaker 3: get you and they're trying to take you out. And
[1:22:10] Speaker 3: that's a realm of psychosis that people fall in negative
[1:22:14] Speaker 3: level three, whatever level that arrives at but as positive
[1:22:17] Speaker 3: level three. Now you got Pronoya, Now you got God,
[1:22:21] Speaker 3: the angels, the universe, everything that's against me is actually
[1:22:25] Speaker 3: here to serve me and to help me to become
[1:22:28] Speaker 3: a better student and a better steward of the breath
[1:22:33] Speaker 3: of the body of this time that I'm given. So
[1:22:35] Speaker 3: now that everything's not here to kill you, it's here
[1:22:38] Speaker 3: to help you, including the demons.
[1:22:42] Speaker 1: Now you mentioned angel numbers and synchronicities, and this is
[1:22:46] Speaker 1: something just a couple of years ago I thought was
[1:22:48] Speaker 1: complete bullshit. I didn't buy into any of it. But
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: after I started experiencing it on a daily basis, multiple
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: times a day, for every day of my life, I
[1:22:59] Speaker 1: had to change my mind. Ain't on that a little bit,
[1:23:01] Speaker 1: especially with the numbers and the synchronicities. What is your
[1:23:05] Speaker 1: understanding of what is happening when we see these recurring
[1:23:08] Speaker 1: numbers that correspond with different celestial beings.
[1:23:14] Speaker 3: I think I think it's safe to stay at one
[1:23:18] Speaker 3: one point that, uh, something's trying to get your attention.
[1:23:22] Speaker 3: Something's trying to do whatever it can to get your attention,
[1:23:26] Speaker 3: and and and seeing those repetitive patterns is a way
[1:23:31] Speaker 3: to get your attention. And here here's the kicker. It's
[1:23:34] Speaker 3: it's they've always been trying to get your attention. They've
[1:23:37] Speaker 3: always been trying to awaken you or or i e.
[1:23:41] Speaker 3: Gets you to remember, get you to remember who you are,
[1:23:44] Speaker 3: where you came from before you incarnate it, and why
[1:23:48] Speaker 3: you're here. And so many many people live this entire
[1:23:52] Speaker 3: life and don't even think about that. But some people
[1:23:54] Speaker 3: are plagued by that, like us. Right once you, once
[1:23:57] Speaker 3: you remember, once you get a vision, try asking these
[1:24:00] Speaker 3: deeper questions. It only leads to more questions. But that's
[1:24:03] Speaker 3: how you get the answers, is to ask those questions.
[1:24:07] Speaker 3: But the synchronicities, again, if they've been happening your entire life.
[1:24:13] Speaker 3: The clock always twice a day, has said eleven eleven
[1:24:20] Speaker 3: twice a day your entire life. It wasn't until you
[1:24:24] Speaker 3: stepped into a new level consciously that you were able
[1:24:26] Speaker 3: to start paying attention and seeing the eleven eleven or
[1:24:30] Speaker 3: now every time I look at the clock at Street
[1:24:32] Speaker 3: thirty three, you've most likely looked at the clock many
[1:24:35] Speaker 3: days and it was that and it just meant nothing
[1:24:37] Speaker 3: to you. It was not significant until it was.
[1:24:42] Speaker 1: And what we understand as manifestation this is something else
[1:24:46] Speaker 1: that I've experienced. It's so interesting the way that things
[1:24:51] Speaker 1: can unfold whenever you're applying positive energy to something. It
[1:24:57] Speaker 1: seems like that if you take your first towards whatever
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: something you want to achieve, and you have the best
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: intentions behind it, the universe will take five ten steps
[1:25:08] Speaker 1: next for you to get you going.
[1:25:10] Speaker 3: Right yep, yeah, when you get into alignment to bring
[1:25:16] Speaker 3: forth that which is in you, because we're all doing
[1:25:18] Speaker 3: that by default. And so if you're trying to do
[1:25:21] Speaker 3: that and there's things that prevent you, you you know,
[1:25:27] Speaker 3: you're helped along the way to get those things out
[1:25:30] Speaker 3: of you, which actor's roadblocks.
[1:25:33] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: If you want money, but you're not a good steward
[1:25:36] Speaker 3: with money, you waste all of your money, but then
[1:25:38] Speaker 3: you're asking for more, but you've already been given money,
[1:25:41] Speaker 3: but you spend it on frivolous things and you're not
[1:25:45] Speaker 3: trusted with money. But here you are believing a vision
[1:25:48] Speaker 3: that's going to come. So there's something that stands in
[1:25:50] Speaker 3: the way of that manifestation because there's different times as
[1:25:53] Speaker 3: far as how long does it take to produce something,
[1:25:56] Speaker 3: how long does it take for the seed to give
[1:25:59] Speaker 3: itself up and bring forth, you know, bring forth fruit
[1:26:02] Speaker 3: and turn into a tree and all of that. So
[1:26:03] Speaker 3: there's always in the midst of the manifestation seed time
[1:26:07] Speaker 3: and harvest. But you have to be able to make
[1:26:11] Speaker 3: sure that what the Bible would say, make sure the
[1:26:14] Speaker 3: seed falls upon good ground, and that the as it
[1:26:17] Speaker 3: begins to take root and begins to come to come
[1:26:20] Speaker 3: forth to manifest, to bring forth fruit in your life.
[1:26:24] Speaker 3: You got to water it. You got to make sure
[1:26:26] Speaker 3: that it gets sunlight. You got to make sure that
[1:26:28] Speaker 3: when you throw the seeds, the birds don't come and
[1:26:30] Speaker 3: eat the seeds. You got to make sure that as
[1:26:33] Speaker 3: your plant is taken root and it's starting to grow,
[1:26:35] Speaker 3: that the other weeds don't grow around it and choke
[1:26:39] Speaker 3: it out. So all of that is dealing with how
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: to manifest something, and we're everyone is great at manifesting
[1:26:49] Speaker 3: by default, they just don't know it.
[1:26:52] Speaker 1: You mentioned God a few times, and I love hearing
[1:26:54] Speaker 1: different understandings of what God could be to from people.
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: What is your understanding of what God is? Do you
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: believe it's some kind of source that we all emanate from,
[1:27:08] Speaker 1: that we are all part of the entire universe. Some
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: consider as God. What is your understanding.
[1:27:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe that. I believe God is the all,
[1:27:18] Speaker 3: all in all anything that ever can exist, whatever created this,
[1:27:22] Speaker 3: whatever allowed this to exist, Everything beautiful, everything, everything that
[1:27:27] Speaker 3: is anything, right, So yeah, what we would call it
[1:27:30] Speaker 3: the universe, but not just the universe, because the universe
[1:27:33] Speaker 3: is hostile. The universe doesn't care if you live or die.
[1:27:38] Speaker 3: The universe doesn't care if you pay your bills. So
[1:27:40] Speaker 3: I think that the idea of God is a personification,
[1:27:44] Speaker 3: and it makes God or or that creative force in
[1:27:48] Speaker 3: the in the universe, right, It makes it more personable,
[1:27:53] Speaker 3: something that actually cares about you, something that here's your
[1:27:55] Speaker 3: prayer or something that's helping you, versus let the chips
[1:27:58] Speaker 3: fall where they may. So I do hold on to
[1:28:02] Speaker 3: that that that term as a as a friend, term
[1:28:05] Speaker 3: as as one who is a friend of the creator
[1:28:08] Speaker 3: of the universe. And I think that we all can
[1:28:11] Speaker 3: be children of God and and and friends with God.
[1:28:14] Speaker 3: I think we're all children in the in the case
[1:28:16] Speaker 3: of that. But under God, there's other gods too, So
[1:28:20] Speaker 3: we're going to get that straight. So there's so when
[1:28:23] Speaker 3: I say God, it is, it is chaos, you know,
[1:28:26] Speaker 3: it is. It is everything is where we came from.
[1:28:29] Speaker 3: It's it's where we're going. It's who created the angels
[1:28:32] Speaker 3: and who created the demons, and who created the gods
[1:28:34] Speaker 3: as well. So it just makes it personal, you know,
[1:28:38] Speaker 3: for me to be able to to to have a
[1:28:40] Speaker 3: friend who cares about you kind of thing. And so
[1:28:44] Speaker 3: I definitely continue to use that and and I separated
[1:28:47] Speaker 3: from the universe as well. But it's still like everything,
[1:28:54] Speaker 3: everything that is is over you. You know what I'm
[1:28:57] Speaker 3: saying is is a god or is a judge? Anything
[1:29:00] Speaker 3: that you submit to Jesus said, becomes your master, It
[1:29:03] Speaker 3: becomes your ruler. So there's a there's a level of honor.
[1:29:07] Speaker 3: If we was to honor what we'll call the Supreme Creator,
[1:29:10] Speaker 3: then you got to be able to You can't honor
[1:29:13] Speaker 3: God without while at the same time dishonoring his creation.
[1:29:18] Speaker 3: You can't because that's his children. So you can't honor me.
[1:29:22] Speaker 3: But at the same time dishonor my child, my daughter
[1:29:25] Speaker 3: and say mean things or take from her or whatever
[1:29:28] Speaker 3: the case is, say oh, I love love truth, truthy
[1:29:31] Speaker 3: is awesome. But you know you got to honor you know, order.
[1:29:35] Speaker 3: God is a god of order, So all of the
[1:29:37] Speaker 3: other gods that exist to keep order. We honor them
[1:29:44] Speaker 3: as well, just like the demons exist. They're falling gods, right,
[1:29:49] Speaker 3: but they keep order as well, and they do a
[1:29:50] Speaker 3: damn good job of it.
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: Now, before we exit the realm of non human entities,
[1:29:57] Speaker 1: I go back and forth on my understand of what
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: extraterrestrials are. Do you believe that there are physical beings
[1:30:06] Speaker 1: out there that are coming from either different dimensions or
[1:30:10] Speaker 1: planets that can interact with us on a physical basis,
[1:30:14] Speaker 1: or do you think this is more of just a
[1:30:16] Speaker 1: consciousness phenomenon, something that is more etheric, more as non physical.
[1:30:23] Speaker 1: What do you think we're interacting with Whenever people have
[1:30:26] Speaker 1: extraterrestrial experiences that seem to be physical.
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting. I see a lot of
[1:30:36] Speaker 3: I've had a lot of encounters, and I see a
[1:30:37] Speaker 3: lot of you know what I call UFOs and things
[1:30:40] Speaker 3: like that, but very rarely have I seen what looks
[1:30:44] Speaker 3: to be a nuts and bolts craft, right, And I've
[1:30:49] Speaker 3: had hundreds of sightings, and I can have them almost
[1:30:53] Speaker 3: whenever I want, I'll say that, And most of the
[1:30:55] Speaker 3: time they look they just look like entities. They look
[1:30:58] Speaker 3: like light, they look like living organisms, of light, and
[1:31:04] Speaker 3: the scripture says and all throughout the Bible, but even
[1:31:07] Speaker 3: in the Book of Enoch that that the angels when
[1:31:09] Speaker 3: they travel the heavens and through the multiverse, that obviously
[1:31:13] Speaker 3: they travel at the speed of light. But when they
[1:31:16] Speaker 3: come here and they have a task to do, that
[1:31:19] Speaker 3: they're able to take on the appearance of a human
[1:31:23] Speaker 3: so or humanoid, let's say that. So with that being said,
[1:31:29] Speaker 3: that we're we're always entertaining some type of angel entity,
[1:31:34] Speaker 3: alien if you will. But do they go to different
[1:31:38] Speaker 3: planets and live? I think so. I think that there's
[1:31:41] Speaker 3: a I think that most of the other planets either
[1:31:48] Speaker 3: were or are like what we are, and and and
[1:31:52] Speaker 3: they're being watched over, and that these beings are traveling
[1:31:56] Speaker 3: back and forth to watch over the civilizations and to
[1:32:01] Speaker 3: make sure, you know, and to award those who are
[1:32:05] Speaker 3: ready to be rewarded, and to bring judgment to those
[1:32:11] Speaker 3: who aren't. So, but I've never seen, at least as
[1:32:16] Speaker 3: far as you know, to my knowledge, an alien gray
[1:32:20] Speaker 3: if you will, like a humanoid. But you know, many
[1:32:24] Speaker 3: times we see people and individuals that look like regular humans,
[1:32:28] Speaker 3: and I think most of the time that those could
[1:32:31] Speaker 3: be angels that are sent to watch over us, or
[1:32:36] Speaker 3: have incarnated in human forms and just don't even know
[1:32:39] Speaker 3: who they are yet, even if they've came through a womb.
[1:32:43] Speaker 3: It gets really deep. But yeah, so you have all
[1:32:47] Speaker 3: of it going on at the same time. But you know,
[1:32:51] Speaker 3: different beings living on other planets that have the ability
[1:32:54] Speaker 3: to travel here.
[1:32:58] Speaker 1: Probably probably now, there's some extremely malevolent aspects to what
[1:33:05] Speaker 1: we are being fed as the extraterrestrial phenomena from the mainstream.
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: I've had plenty of people who identify as whistleblowers, people
[1:33:15] Speaker 1: who claim to have been involved with black projects or
[1:33:19] Speaker 1: secret societies or high level elite groups that have either
[1:33:24] Speaker 1: satanic practices or some other dart practices that say that
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: there is a campaign, an ongoing campaign, a psychological operation
[1:33:33] Speaker 1: to implant the idea of what extraterrestrials with the mainstream
[1:33:39] Speaker 1: idea of extraterrestrials to guide humanity in a certain direction.
[1:33:45] Speaker 1: On their thinking of this, but I think that a
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: lot of the negative aspects of what we see when
[1:33:51] Speaker 1: we're looking at extraterrestrials, like military abductions and really nasty
[1:33:56] Speaker 1: negative experiences could possibly be us humans doing this.
[1:34:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so. You know, the my lab
[1:34:06] Speaker 3: experiments are you know, really interesting where people who talk
[1:34:09] Speaker 3: about being abducted or waking up on a ship or
[1:34:12] Speaker 3: something like that and seeing the little green men or
[1:34:14] Speaker 3: the alien grays kind of thing, and then many of
[1:34:17] Speaker 3: them report looking in the corner and there's a man
[1:34:20] Speaker 3: in military garbs watching the whole process, or doctors or
[1:34:25] Speaker 3: humans in the background watching these little green men mess
[1:34:29] Speaker 3: with people and stuff like that. So you know, there's
[1:34:33] Speaker 3: you know, a lot to it, and so I think
[1:34:35] Speaker 3: that a big part of it of it is to
[1:34:39] Speaker 3: put fear in hysteria within the people so that when
[1:34:43] Speaker 3: you do see some type of strange lights in the sky,
[1:34:46] Speaker 3: your mind goes immediately to those movies that you've seen
[1:34:51] Speaker 3: about the abductions and Travis Walton and really pushing that
[1:34:54] Speaker 3: fear agenda with them as well. So I think that
[1:34:58] Speaker 3: that is a big part of of it. But you know,
[1:35:02] Speaker 3: how they operate and what they're telling us, Are people
[1:35:09] Speaker 3: ready those questions? No, they're not. I don't know if
[1:35:15] Speaker 3: I'm ready. It gets because the more you the more
[1:35:20] Speaker 3: you dig, the more you find out it's uh. First
[1:35:23] Speaker 3: of all, your mind could never comprehend. That's why I'm
[1:35:26] Speaker 3: saying about being ready, and if you just look at
[1:35:29] Speaker 3: what we're still doing, arguing, wanting to kill for profit,
[1:35:37] Speaker 3: wanting to hurt people for profit, and all of that
[1:35:40] Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But yet we're mad at what the
[1:35:47] Speaker 3: government's doing. Again, like we said at the beginning, like, yeah,
[1:35:50] Speaker 3: I'm mad. I think it's wicked. But many of these
[1:35:52] Speaker 3: people that we bumped shoulders with every day are just
[1:35:56] Speaker 3: as wicked and do things in the darkness and are nefarious,
[1:35:59] Speaker 3: and given the platform, given the spaceship, given the technology
[1:36:03] Speaker 3: where they could go and take advantage of people, they
[1:36:07] Speaker 3: would do it in a heartbeat. So so I think
[1:36:10] Speaker 3: that this seed or this process here of us becoming
[1:36:13] Speaker 3: light and being tempted to being tested and passing these
[1:36:17] Speaker 3: tests is your ticket out of here. Is your ticket
[1:36:20] Speaker 3: to stop reincarnating as a confused human and uh, and
[1:36:25] Speaker 3: that you can remember who you are past these tests
[1:36:29] Speaker 3: and then when you pass on into the next realm,
[1:36:31] Speaker 3: that you you hear, well done, good and faithful servant.
[1:36:34] Speaker 3: We knew you had it in you. Come on, you're
[1:36:36] Speaker 3: going to the next level. We needed somebody like you
[1:36:39] Speaker 3: to watch over humanity, or we needed somebody to watch
[1:36:42] Speaker 3: like you to guard the Sun, or to guard these
[1:36:45] Speaker 3: other planets, or to guard these demons and tell them
[1:36:47] Speaker 3: how far they can come and go each night. All
[1:36:50] Speaker 3: of that's taking place, all of it, like how they operate,
[1:36:55] Speaker 3: what they look like. It blows the mind. It blows
[1:37:00] Speaker 3: the mind. I've been catching a lot of this on camera,
[1:37:04] Speaker 3: and uh been been getting a lot of it on
[1:37:07] Speaker 3: camera and dissecting the footage and in the most of it,
[1:37:14] Speaker 3: you know, people talk about seeing specs of light and
[1:37:17] Speaker 3: flashes of light and a shadow run by and those
[1:37:19] Speaker 3: kind of things, or even in the space you just
[1:37:20] Speaker 3: see a little flicker of light. What that is is uh.
[1:37:25] Speaker 3: In many cases we've heard this before in the past,
[1:37:27] Speaker 3: that it's some type of war, some type of galactic war,
[1:37:30] Speaker 3: and it's a ship exploding. I've heard those kind of
[1:37:32] Speaker 3: things from uh. Uh. One of the first guys who
[1:37:37] Speaker 3: had the night vision goggles who talked about watching watching that,
[1:37:40] Speaker 3: Ed Grimsley. He's no longer with this, but recording anywhere
[1:37:49] Speaker 3: gradients of light if you will, the sun, especially right now,
[1:37:55] Speaker 3: this stuff showing up on camera, and when you slow
[1:37:57] Speaker 3: the footage down, our minds can't comprehend beings that move
[1:38:05] Speaker 3: faster than the speed of light, and within a second
[1:38:10] Speaker 3: there's been a whole war and a battle between angelic
[1:38:17] Speaker 3: cells or light and darkness, and within a millisecond. This
[1:38:22] Speaker 3: is insane. This is insane, all of these entities going
[1:38:25] Speaker 3: into and coming out of the sun, other entities that
[1:38:29] Speaker 3: are protecting and fighting the other ones that are trying
[1:38:32] Speaker 3: to get in. Our minds don't comprehend it. What it
[1:38:36] Speaker 3: looks like, it looks like many different things. Is as
[1:38:40] Speaker 3: above so below. It looks like sperm cells trying to
[1:38:44] Speaker 3: get into an egg, and the egg being the sun,
[1:38:48] Speaker 3: so that they can be birthed into another reality. And
[1:38:50] Speaker 3: there's protect there's ones around it protecting, and then there's
[1:38:54] Speaker 3: another one that comes up and consumes the one that's protecting,
[1:38:58] Speaker 3: and it gets bigger. Everything that you're looking at under
[1:39:01] Speaker 3: a microscope, amimba's and single cell organisms, how they fight
[1:39:06] Speaker 3: and how they consume one another, and they get bigger,
[1:39:08] Speaker 3: and another one comes and consumes him like that. What
[1:39:13] Speaker 3: that looks like is taking place in the skies above
[1:39:17] Speaker 3: us and this, and they're trying to go in the sun.
[1:39:22] Speaker 3: And the Son is sacred. The Son is a god,
[1:39:26] Speaker 3: for sure. It's a portal. All the stars are and
[1:39:32] Speaker 3: what happens when you go in why and then when
[1:39:35] Speaker 3: the sun goes down. All the religions have talked about this,
[1:39:40] Speaker 3: they're all telling the same story. Egypt, they've been talking
[1:39:44] Speaker 3: about it, Babylon, Sumerius, or It's not one or the other.
[1:39:47] Speaker 3: It's all of them. And the Bible is an overview
[1:39:50] Speaker 3: of all of them that helps piece all of the
[1:39:53] Speaker 3: traditions together. That's why the Catholic Church is called the
[1:39:56] Speaker 3: Universal Church. It's bringing all the tradition together. It's giving
[1:40:01] Speaker 3: them a new name. And it's a mystery Bible on
[1:40:03] Speaker 3: because it's hidden under a new name. But it's all
[1:40:06] Speaker 3: of those religions that are truth. The only thing that's
[1:40:10] Speaker 3: changed is the language is the babble. Now we can't
[1:40:12] Speaker 3: understand each other. So what Christianity has done is try
[1:40:16] Speaker 3: to take take it together, but not for good, not
[1:40:21] Speaker 3: for good, still with that hierarchy as protectors, as priest
[1:40:24] Speaker 3: over the people, but definitely hiding it from the people.
[1:40:28] Speaker 3: But what's happening right now is you can't hide it anymore.
[1:40:33] Speaker 3: That's what the apocalypse is and I think we're going
[1:40:36] Speaker 3: through that. To be honest with.
[1:40:37] Speaker 1: You, Well, that's a perfect segue to what I wanted
[1:40:40] Speaker 1: to get into next. I believe that we are in
[1:40:42] Speaker 1: the midst of some sort of spiritual war that is
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: us the people. It's a good and evil battle, but
[1:40:51] Speaker 1: it's us against them, those that want to control humanity.
[1:40:56] Speaker 1: And I think that there are multiple agenda is at
[1:41:00] Speaker 1: play that coincide with this war, transhumanism, depopulation, infertility. There's
[1:41:09] Speaker 1: agenda on top of agenda to one lessen the population,
[1:41:14] Speaker 1: to keep us under more control, and they have more
[1:41:18] Speaker 1: power and to usher in. I believe this new era
[1:41:22] Speaker 1: of what they consider to be their alchemical perfect human
[1:41:26] Speaker 1: that is genderless, that is an androgynous. What do you
[1:41:30] Speaker 1: think about that?
[1:41:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, there's you know, there's there's people who have decided
[1:41:37] Speaker 3: all of this a long time ago, and and and
[1:41:40] Speaker 3: many of us would believe that they were demonic, that
[1:41:47] Speaker 3: they were evil to allow the pain and the suffering
[1:41:51] Speaker 3: to go on, and not just to allow it, but
[1:41:53] Speaker 3: to provoke it, and to create not just order out
[1:42:01] Speaker 3: of chaos, but but create a boogeyman or create a
[1:42:04] Speaker 3: problem so that they can then create the solution. Free
[1:42:08] Speaker 3: will is powerful, the free will of the humans and
[1:42:12] Speaker 3: or any any being. To be honest with you, it's
[1:42:15] Speaker 3: all all beings have free will, but so that they
[1:42:19] Speaker 3: would use that to create evil, that's what that's what
[1:42:23] Speaker 3: we're a product of that. We're a mixture of that. Again,
[1:42:28] Speaker 3: when we talk about the soul and the spirit and
[1:42:30] Speaker 3: and and and creating a new human. You know, there's
[1:42:36] Speaker 3: many people who talked about how our DNA has been
[1:42:38] Speaker 3: tampered with in the past. We're not just one thing.
[1:42:43] Speaker 3: We are confused, we we we have multiple feelings within us.
[1:42:48] Speaker 3: We're we're subject to the food, we're subject to the
[1:42:52] Speaker 3: spirits which we're subject to the powers that be that
[1:42:56] Speaker 3: allow a ransom and use us as money for these entities,
[1:43:04] Speaker 3: if you will. So when we get into depopulation and
[1:43:07] Speaker 3: killing off masses of people, it is and always has been,
[1:43:12] Speaker 3: to a sacrifice and to honor a deity, to give blood,
[1:43:18] Speaker 3: to give souls so that they can remain and stay
[1:43:21] Speaker 3: in power. But everyone knows that that's wicked, right, that
[1:43:26] Speaker 3: that's not you know, it's not really for the greater
[1:43:29] Speaker 3: good that they would put people through that. I believe
[1:43:33] Speaker 3: that there that that are true creators that have stepped
[1:43:37] Speaker 3: away for a minute. When they return, Uh, those people
[1:43:42] Speaker 3: have got some explaining to do of how they've treated
[1:43:47] Speaker 3: the people that they've been watching over worse than they
[1:43:50] Speaker 3: would treat cattle or treat animals. So that's the thing.
[1:43:53] Speaker 3: If you were an animal, and they look at us
[1:43:56] Speaker 3: as an animal when the presidents address the nation, a
[1:44:01] Speaker 3: nation is if when you look up the etymology in
[1:44:05] Speaker 3: the Bible of a nation is an animal. They're addressing
[1:44:09] Speaker 3: the animals who aren't civilized and telling us what to
[1:44:12] Speaker 3: do and giving us laws. But and we are you
[1:44:15] Speaker 3: have that in you until you don't, Until you don't.
[1:44:19] Speaker 3: We are here to leave the animal behind and to
[1:44:23] Speaker 3: ascend and that and let that God particle, the God
[1:44:27] Speaker 3: nature that's within you rise, the Christ in you, which
[1:44:31] Speaker 3: is the hope of glory of the unit. The whole
[1:44:33] Speaker 3: universe is waiting for you to say yes and to
[1:44:36] Speaker 3: wake up and to get into alignment. Not with the
[1:44:38] Speaker 3: animal that's in you, that's the mark of a beast,
[1:44:41] Speaker 3: but to get in with the God nature that all
[1:44:43] Speaker 3: of us have, all of us humans that are down
[1:44:45] Speaker 3: here on the same level. We got both. And so
[1:44:49] Speaker 3: we got to choose, and we had to keep feeding.
[1:44:51] Speaker 3: We got to fast the devil out of you. You
[1:44:54] Speaker 3: got to tell it, no, you got to tame the animal,
[1:44:57] Speaker 3: tame the beast. And that's what we're going and through
[1:45:00] Speaker 3: and and that's what gives you that that's the true
[1:45:03] Speaker 3: power and true authority, that you would rise to that level,
[1:45:08] Speaker 3: you would rise to that occasion and become light. And
[1:45:11] Speaker 3: when when you are light, you are judgment in a
[1:45:15] Speaker 3: dark world. And we're seeing that on a global scale.
[1:45:19] Speaker 3: That's what this whole awakening is. That's whole the whole. Hey,
[1:45:22] Speaker 3: let's turn the fire up. Or they don't want to
[1:45:24] Speaker 3: get the they don't want to get the injections, Well,
[1:45:27] Speaker 3: let's let's kill off more of them until they all
[1:45:29] Speaker 3: get it. We're gonna make you. You'll be begging for
[1:45:32] Speaker 3: a shot after this. Right when you see all your
[1:45:34] Speaker 3: family members die, when you see all the people you
[1:45:37] Speaker 3: love take their last breath and gasp and be tormented
[1:45:40] Speaker 3: and tortures like that, you'll you'll willingly want to do
[1:45:44] Speaker 3: whatever we tell you to do. But that's not us,
[1:45:49] Speaker 3: you know. And I'm not I'm not saying that to
[1:45:52] Speaker 3: throw anybody under the bus. Who got that right, But
[1:45:54] Speaker 3: I'm I'm talking about control. I'm talking about I'm talking
[1:45:58] Speaker 3: about hatred, where you give up your free will and
[1:46:01] Speaker 3: you willingly bow down because you want to be protected.
[1:46:06] Speaker 3: You want to be served by the gods of this
[1:46:09] Speaker 3: world who have proven time and time and time and
[1:46:13] Speaker 3: time and time and time and time and time and
[1:46:14] Speaker 3: time again that they're demonic. So the gods are coming back.
[1:46:19] Speaker 3: Are we talking about UFOs and spaceships? Yeah, to a degree.
[1:46:22] Speaker 3: But here's the other way. But nobody told us. The
[1:46:25] Speaker 3: Church had it right to a degree, but they tricked you,
[1:46:28] Speaker 3: so you'd miss it that the Christ would come back.
[1:46:32] Speaker 3: And many people are waking up. They know that the
[1:46:34] Speaker 3: Christ is coming back in them. It wasn't coming from
[1:46:37] Speaker 3: the sky, but it's coming back through the breath and
[1:46:40] Speaker 3: through us, so that as you get into alignment, you
[1:46:43] Speaker 3: are the next up for the spirits that existed before
[1:46:48] Speaker 3: the last let's say reset, if that's the word everybody
[1:46:50] Speaker 3: wants to use. Before the last reset. Those souls are
[1:46:53] Speaker 3: coming back and they're speaking through us. So it's not
[1:46:57] Speaker 3: as I the animal derec speaks, I step aside. I
[1:47:02] Speaker 3: let the prophet Jeremiah speak, I let Christ speak. Everything
[1:47:05] Speaker 3: that existed that was beautiful and good. I'm choosing to
[1:47:09] Speaker 3: try to allow me, my free will, my ego, to
[1:47:13] Speaker 3: step aside and allow that to come forth, and I
[1:47:17] Speaker 3: we get rewarded when we do. So that's a sension
[1:47:20] Speaker 3: and that's what's taking place.
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: Yes man very well said. And another aspect of this
[1:47:26] Speaker 1: is a problem that we're facing is that we as
[1:47:29] Speaker 1: a society look for us savior. We look for this
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: Christ figure outside of ourselves to get us certain places,
[1:47:37] Speaker 1: to help us, to save us, to bring us to
[1:47:40] Speaker 1: a golden age. But like you said, it's never gonna
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: happen if you look at the type the personality, type
[1:47:48] Speaker 1: of individual that strives to be in these positions, these
[1:47:52] Speaker 1: elite global positions of power. I mean usually they have
[1:47:57] Speaker 1: psychopathic tendencies and it's not your your best type of
[1:48:01] Speaker 1: person that is seeking those positions. I'm not saying all
[1:48:04] Speaker 1: of them, but a lot of them. And we keep
[1:48:06] Speaker 1: looking to people like that to bring us to a
[1:48:10] Speaker 1: better stage of our evolution. And that's never going to happen.
[1:48:14] Speaker 1: Like you said, it's only gonna be through us.
[1:48:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, we're waking up to that, and we're trying our best,
[1:48:21] Speaker 3: and that's all we can do. Right, Everyone wakes up,
[1:48:23] Speaker 3: tries their best, and and and and it's it's it's
[1:48:27] Speaker 3: a counted unto them for trying, you know, and that's
[1:48:30] Speaker 3: all you got to work with. And so that's when
[1:48:33] Speaker 3: we're talking about reincarnation. I use what I had on next,
[1:48:37] Speaker 3: not that the next time you incarnate, now you've got technology.
[1:48:40] Speaker 3: The next time, now you got this, right, So there's
[1:48:42] Speaker 3: this evolution of of what we got to work with,
[1:48:45] Speaker 3: and we're you know, we're throwing in their spine like
[1:48:51] Speaker 3: they don't want us here. They don't want us here,
[1:48:55] Speaker 3: and so they're at the point now they don't need
[1:48:57] Speaker 3: us here because they've raised technology. What they don't really
[1:49:00] Speaker 3: even need the slaves anymore. That the technology and all
[1:49:03] Speaker 3: of these things that they that they have, they can
[1:49:05] Speaker 3: continue to go on. But the reason this place isn't
[1:49:08] Speaker 3: destroyed yet by the gods is because we're here. And
[1:49:14] Speaker 3: because we're here, this place is being preserved for now.
[1:49:17] Speaker 3: But when we when all, if they kill all of
[1:49:20] Speaker 3: us or our or our soul our spirits leave and
[1:49:25] Speaker 3: go to another place, it's destruction for them. And that's
[1:49:28] Speaker 3: the one thing they're trying to prolong is judgment. This
[1:49:32] Speaker 3: is their kingdom. This is the best the best it
[1:49:34] Speaker 3: gets for them. They have created islands where they do
[1:49:38] Speaker 3: whatever they want to whoever they want right they they're
[1:49:41] Speaker 3: feeding us fake food while they live on you know,
[1:49:43] Speaker 3: the delicacies and all of these things. So our I
[1:49:49] Speaker 3: believe that that our eternal reward is is that whenever
[1:49:58] Speaker 3: we stand before the gods, and trust me, we're standing
[1:50:01] Speaker 3: before the gods right now. But when you when you
[1:50:04] Speaker 3: make that when you get in that that solar boat
[1:50:08] Speaker 3: and you travel through to the great beyonds to be
[1:50:11] Speaker 3: to be judged. And don't get you're being judged now,
[1:50:15] Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying. It's a good thing. You want
[1:50:18] Speaker 3: to be judged. You want to get the darkness out
[1:50:21] Speaker 3: of you so that you stand with clean hands and
[1:50:23] Speaker 3: a pure heart. That's what separates us from the animals,
[1:50:26] Speaker 3: and that's what separates us from these psychopaths. Our God
[1:50:30] Speaker 3: and our Gods plural, they hear, they hear our prayers,
[1:50:35] Speaker 3: Our Christ whenever we are in alignment and attainment and
[1:50:40] Speaker 3: we're in a position where they can hear us. When
[1:50:43] Speaker 3: we stand under the sun. It's certain days where the
[1:50:45] Speaker 3: sun opens up that we can put something in the
[1:50:48] Speaker 3: sun because we're the children of God and we can
[1:50:51] Speaker 3: go and stand with clean hands and a pure heart
[1:50:53] Speaker 3: under the sun and literally lift your hands up, allow
[1:50:56] Speaker 3: the sun rays to judge you, spirits into your body,
[1:51:00] Speaker 3: and God, for the gods hear your prayers. So let's
[1:51:04] Speaker 3: block the sun. Let's make the people oppressed, Let's make
[1:51:07] Speaker 3: them addicted to sex, Let's make let's make them do
[1:51:09] Speaker 3: all of these sinful things so that their God won't
[1:51:12] Speaker 3: hear them because they know that. So they're in the
[1:51:15] Speaker 3: seat of power, pretending to be rulers, pretending to be watchers,
[1:51:20] Speaker 3: and to pretending to care. Listen, my people, us listen
[1:51:25] Speaker 3: it we care. We care. There's a part of us
[1:51:28] Speaker 3: that does. Anyway, these people are one thousand percent wicked.
[1:51:34] Speaker 3: They had to forfeit that part of that cared if
[1:51:37] Speaker 3: they were even born with it. Right, So, when you
[1:51:40] Speaker 3: stand and you start judging, and you start speaking righteously,
[1:51:46] Speaker 3: I'm not talking bias. I'm not talking about you're judging.
[1:51:49] Speaker 3: I have heard when you when you become healed, when
[1:51:51] Speaker 3: you step into alignment, when in the sun, and then
[1:51:53] Speaker 3: you get the light in you, all of creation, all
[1:51:57] Speaker 3: of creation. When we talk about these angels, we're talking
[1:52:00] Speaker 3: about these demons, all of them, stand at attention and listen.
[1:52:04] Speaker 3: That's why Jesus said, I can call it on ten
[1:52:06] Speaker 3: thousand angels right now, I can call upon them. And
[1:52:09] Speaker 3: what I'm telling you guys to do is to practice
[1:52:12] Speaker 3: all of this. I'm saying, go sit in the sun,
[1:52:15] Speaker 3: ask for them to come, sit under the stars, ask
[1:52:18] Speaker 3: for help, call upon their names, learn their names, and
[1:52:21] Speaker 3: get into alignment and see what happens. My mind's being
[1:52:26] Speaker 3: blown daily, and not just me. It's but unless we
[1:52:31] Speaker 3: speak about it, how weird? A lot of it sounds,
[1:52:33] Speaker 3: for sure, but people are having the same experience. They
[1:52:37] Speaker 3: want us to live for this world. No, this isn't
[1:52:41] Speaker 3: we're here to judge. We're here to get Christ. We're
[1:52:45] Speaker 3: a star seed, what they'll call it. We're a seed
[1:52:48] Speaker 3: that came here and we sprouted and we took Ruth.
[1:52:51] Speaker 3: And now we've stepped aside so that the spirits are
[1:52:54] Speaker 3: the ones that they killed, the righteous ones from our lineage,
[1:52:59] Speaker 3: from Christ, Moses, all of these whatever lines, the opclu
[1:53:05] Speaker 3: all the way to Babylon. If you're in alignment with them,
[1:53:11] Speaker 3: they'll stand up for you. You're of them, and if
[1:53:15] Speaker 3: you weren't, you can be. You can't be, because they
[1:53:20] Speaker 3: promote and they adopt according to the light. And we're
[1:53:26] Speaker 3: experiencing this in real time.
[1:53:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, I am extremely hopeful for the direction we're headed
[1:53:33] Speaker 1: in and for the amount of people that I see
[1:53:36] Speaker 1: awakening and questioning the narrative. And it's on top of that,
[1:53:41] Speaker 1: those that are attempting to steer us in these to
[1:53:45] Speaker 1: these negative timelines seem to be making a lot of mistakes.
[1:53:49] Speaker 1: People are actually responding to those mistakes in the correct way,
[1:53:55] Speaker 1: And I think it's going to cause this snowball effect
[1:53:59] Speaker 1: to where even actually we won't be participating at all
[1:54:02] Speaker 1: with these negative, dark timelines, and we might have a
[1:54:06] Speaker 1: chance to regain some of our human sovereignty. Where do
[1:54:10] Speaker 1: you see us going in our future?
[1:54:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm I'm wide eyed and hopeful to
[1:54:17] Speaker 3: you know, while we're here, you know, we're gonna We're gonna.
[1:54:20] Speaker 3: I'm gonna upgrade this place as much as I can.
[1:54:23] Speaker 3: It is my duty, is our duty to try to
[1:54:25] Speaker 3: leave this place off a little bit better than we
[1:54:27] Speaker 3: found it, so to do whatever whatever is within our
[1:54:31] Speaker 3: power to bring beauty to this place. And it's here,
[1:54:36] Speaker 3: it already exists, but it's up to us to be
[1:54:38] Speaker 3: able to see it. So they have The Bible says
[1:54:41] Speaker 3: that the gods, the god of this world has blinded
[1:54:44] Speaker 3: the eyes of those who are in are of disobedience.
[1:54:50] Speaker 3: When we open our eyes and begin to see beauty,
[1:54:53] Speaker 3: and we begin to speak beauty, and maybe we don't
[1:54:55] Speaker 3: see it around us, well then where it comes from
[1:54:57] Speaker 3: within us. So we become a portal for that beauty.
[1:55:00] Speaker 3: So now we speak to things that aren't beautiful, We
[1:55:02] Speaker 3: speak to things that aren't lovely, and as we speak,
[1:55:05] Speaker 3: they become lovely, they become beautiful. We make the best
[1:55:09] Speaker 3: of this place. Instead of complaining, we how very many
[1:55:12] Speaker 3: heartbeats we have, how many breaths we have? And this
[1:55:15] Speaker 3: we use it, and we utilize it as a good
[1:55:18] Speaker 3: steward so that when we do stand before the Master.
[1:55:22] Speaker 3: But again we do that every day. And we got
[1:55:24] Speaker 3: to understand that that you will be answered, You will
[1:55:29] Speaker 3: hear well done. You did the best that you could.
[1:55:34] Speaker 3: Whether that's here, you know, paradise, whether that's in the
[1:55:38] Speaker 3: in the next heavens, whether that's on another planet in
[1:55:41] Speaker 3: another star system, I don't. I don't know, but I
[1:55:44] Speaker 3: do know that that there are realms that exists that
[1:55:49] Speaker 3: share with this one. That those those dark ones used
[1:55:55] Speaker 3: to be in bodies, and that's why they're prolonging judgment
[1:56:00] Speaker 3: because they don't want to go to that realm because
[1:56:03] Speaker 3: that's the next thing for them. So as long as
[1:56:05] Speaker 3: they can continue to put their souls in bodies, as
[1:56:08] Speaker 3: long as they can continue to do things to find,
[1:56:11] Speaker 3: you know, to rejuvenate the body, to create ai like
[1:56:16] Speaker 3: you were talking about, to keep their consciousness, to have
[1:56:18] Speaker 3: machines to keep them alive, then they're just prolonging their judgment.
[1:56:23] Speaker 3: And so this is from Genesis to Revelation. This is
[1:56:27] Speaker 3: from all of the Holy books. I mean, Egypt is
[1:56:30] Speaker 3: huge on this, and they made us even demonize these
[1:56:33] Speaker 3: other cultures and think that they were bad because the
[1:56:37] Speaker 3: way that they showed them to us, and to think
[1:56:39] Speaker 3: that ours was right or whatever. But it's all the
[1:56:42] Speaker 3: same thing. The way that they remember, the way that
[1:56:44] Speaker 3: souls incarnate and reincarnate and surrect and resurrect or souls
[1:56:49] Speaker 3: are revived. Here, there's a process of it, and this
[1:56:52] Speaker 3: is what's going on. But it's also for the betterment
[1:56:55] Speaker 3: of the planet of the beings that are from here originally,
[1:57:01] Speaker 3: that we work with them and they get rewarded and
[1:57:04] Speaker 3: we come together the say the things that that that
[1:57:09] Speaker 3: things that kill us. There's there's treatments that the Earth
[1:57:12] Speaker 3: gives us because our body is from the earth, but
[1:57:15] Speaker 3: our souls are from another realm, but our spirits from
[1:57:20] Speaker 3: the heavens. We are the nepheloon. We are. We're a
[1:57:24] Speaker 3: mixture of angel and and demon and and animal. But
[1:57:35] Speaker 3: I think that the Bible teaches and all the other
[1:57:38] Speaker 3: texts too, that they all three can be rewarded and
[1:57:41] Speaker 3: receive a place in this beautiful celestial kingdom.
[1:57:46] Speaker 1: I love it, man, I love the insights and different understandings.
[1:57:49] Speaker 1: We're definitely gonna have to do this again soon, man,
[1:57:52] Speaker 1: So much good information before you head out. Let the
[1:57:54] Speaker 1: audience know where they can find your podcast, what your
[1:57:58] Speaker 1: podcast is about, and where they can find your music,
[1:58:01] Speaker 1: all the good stuff.
[1:58:02] Speaker 3: Cool man, Yeah, thank you. Uh you just go to
[1:58:05] Speaker 3: truth seeker dot com, truth s e e K a
[1:58:08] Speaker 3: h dot com, and there you can check out my music,
[1:58:11] Speaker 3: my podcast, my book, everything that I'm creating and bringing
[1:58:15] Speaker 3: to the table, which is pretty much everything we've been
[1:58:18] Speaker 3: talking about today. Don't really go in too deep on
[1:58:21] Speaker 3: some of the transhumanism and the scary stuff. It gets
[1:58:25] Speaker 3: your band really quick, so I just try to find
[1:58:27] Speaker 3: ways to articulate that and focus on the good, you know,
[1:58:29] Speaker 3: but uh still talk about it without talking, without having
[1:58:32] Speaker 3: to say it. It's plain, but you know, but I followed, man,
[1:58:37] Speaker 3: I don't try to. I usually don't, you know, so
[1:58:39] Speaker 3: people who I let people know that I was able
[1:58:43] Speaker 3: to share on here with you some things that I
[1:58:45] Speaker 3: don't really I don't really you're not going to catch
[1:58:47] Speaker 3: on me talking on YouTube, so.
[1:58:49] Speaker 1: Right on, man. I appreciate that the audience appreciates that,
[1:58:52] Speaker 1: and I love how deep we can get. And we'll
[1:58:55] Speaker 1: definitely have to do this again sometime.
[1:58:57] Speaker 3: Yes, sir man, thank you so much. I'm I'm enjoyed
[1:59:00] Speaker 3: it and appreciate it. Thank you so much.
[1:59:02] Speaker 1: Thank you. Until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.
[1:59:05] Speaker 1: We'll talk again tomorrow.
[1:59:06] Speaker 2: We'll see you then.
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