# FKN Classics Double Feature! Raven Keefer - King Magician | Meta Mystics - Magick & Spells

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 1 Jul 2026, 2 h 21 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
[0:06] Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Raven Keefer.
[0:09] Speaker 1: He is a researcher. He is also an expose writer
[0:13] Speaker 1: from mid nineteen.
[0:14] Speaker 2: Eighties through today.
[0:16] Speaker 1: He currently has twenty three books in print and has
[0:19] Speaker 1: been a lifetime researcher that contributes to numerous content creators
[0:24] Speaker 1: and independent reporters. Raven, welcome back. How you doing.
[0:30] Speaker 3: I am doing fantastic and folks, he and I were
[0:33] Speaker 3: talking for a few minutes, so we're not gonna lie
[0:35] Speaker 3: to you about that, but now, man, it is good
[0:38] Speaker 3: to hear from you.
[0:38] Speaker 2: Yes, man, it is great to have you back.
[0:41] Speaker 1: It's been a little while looking forward to discussing whatever
[0:46] Speaker 1: comes up today.
[0:47] Speaker 2: You and I always have a great conversation.
[0:50] Speaker 1: We hadn't really planned for this, but there's so much
[0:53] Speaker 1: going on that we can jump into. And you were
[0:55] Speaker 1: talking to me about some of the things you've been
[0:58] Speaker 1: looking into, UFO hearing and mainly how people can get
[1:03] Speaker 1: their own houses in order. I think that's really important
[1:06] Speaker 1: right now. I'd also like to get your insights into
[1:10] Speaker 1: where we're at collectively, some of the events that just
[1:14] Speaker 1: unfolded and what that could mean for us heading into
[1:17] Speaker 1: the future. Before we get into any of that, though,
[1:20] Speaker 1: it's been a little wild, just remind the audience a
[1:22] Speaker 1: little bit about yourself and let them know where they
[1:24] Speaker 1: can find you.
[1:27] Speaker 3: Well, folks, I'm a writer for decades, twenty three books
[1:33] Speaker 3: in print. I've got two masters and a doctorate and
[1:36] Speaker 3: a few bachelor's degrees, and none of that stuff matters.
[1:41] Speaker 3: You can find my main podcasts at spreaker. That's my
[1:45] Speaker 3: homepage spreaker dot com. However, if you just type in
[1:50] Speaker 3: Raven Kiefer, I'm on about sixty five repeater sites, so
[1:54] Speaker 3: you can pretty much listen to me wherever you like
[1:56] Speaker 3: to listen to podcasts.
[1:58] Speaker 1: How do you feel about the overall state we've been in,
[2:02] Speaker 1: especially since we talked we had the major selection, which
[2:07] Speaker 1: you know how I feel about it, I know how
[2:09] Speaker 1: you feel about it a bunch of theater, But how
[2:12] Speaker 1: do you feel about where we're at?
[2:15] Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's you and I. You and I
[2:19] Speaker 3: kind of look at things the same way. And you've
[2:21] Speaker 3: got two sides of the same rotten carcass, you know,
[2:25] Speaker 3: two wings of the same ritting bird. But here's the
[2:28] Speaker 3: thing that I look at it. I look at it
[2:30] Speaker 3: as good cop, bad cop. You know, there was a
[2:34] Speaker 3: flip from George Bush to Bill Clinton. There was a
[2:38] Speaker 3: handoff and your neo cons the hardliners became Democrats. You
[2:44] Speaker 3: still had the neo cons or what they call rhinos
[2:47] Speaker 3: within the Republican Party, but the Democrats became the hammers.
[2:51] Speaker 3: You know, from Clinton onward. They basically were, you know,
[2:56] Speaker 3: Clinton and Bush the same group.
[2:59] Speaker 1: Uh.
[3:00] Speaker 3: A lot of people don't realize Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton
[3:03] Speaker 3: is in the rough Child bloodline. A lot of people
[3:07] Speaker 3: didn't know that, and Hillary Clinton is in the Rockefeller
[3:12] Speaker 3: blood blood line. And folks, if I got those reverse,
[3:15] Speaker 3: I apologize, it's really for me over here. It's even
[3:19] Speaker 3: earlier for poor Chris. But but the thing about it
[3:21] Speaker 3: is is like you got good cop and bad cop
[3:24] Speaker 3: for since the Bush year, Bush one folks, Bush one,
[3:29] Speaker 3: Clinton and that bunch have been hard liners for globalism,
[3:33] Speaker 3: and they have hammered stuff on like Bush h and
[3:35] Speaker 3: Clinton put in NAFTA, not another thing America and KAFTA,
[3:40] Speaker 3: and so they've been hammering all the globalist stuff through
[3:44] Speaker 3: the Democrats. But you always had the rhinos in the background,
[3:47] Speaker 3: and they're like lynnon Okay, their ideologies and the way
[3:53] Speaker 3: that they want to do things is you know, good
[3:55] Speaker 3: example is Amalac Harris. She said, you know, with it,
[4:00] Speaker 3: it is really funny because with a stroke of a pen,
[4:02] Speaker 3: I can have somebody put in prison. It's that kind
[4:05] Speaker 3: of attitude. Well, on the other side of the fence,
[4:08] Speaker 3: we have the Trumpsters, and I'm not talking about the
[4:13] Speaker 3: people who follow him. I'm talking about that particular group
[4:16] Speaker 3: of individuals there's supposed to be the good cops. What
[4:19] Speaker 3: they're going to do is they're going to slow play it.
[4:21] Speaker 3: They still want they still want digital ID, they still
[4:25] Speaker 3: want global currency, they still want digital currency. So it's
[4:30] Speaker 3: just okay, we're either going to force you to do
[4:32] Speaker 3: it or we're going to very politely force you to
[4:35] Speaker 3: do it. It's still the same process.
[4:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.
[4:39] Speaker 1: The way I've seen it is as the pendulum swaying
[4:44] Speaker 1: back and forth over the past few decades, the collective
[4:49] Speaker 1: has been essentially molded in certain ways by the ideologies
[4:57] Speaker 1: that they were either forced to accept or push against,
[5:02] Speaker 1: and this has led to where we're at now. I
[5:06] Speaker 1: believe the past administration, especially under Joe Biden, with the
[5:14] Speaker 1: destruction of our economy and the inflation and everything we've seen.
[5:20] Speaker 1: This has created a bigger following for Trump. They're playing
[5:26] Speaker 1: their roles. It puts this emotional state out there for
[5:31] Speaker 1: people who are not supporting the other side to where
[5:35] Speaker 1: they're pushed to vote for the lesser of two evils
[5:40] Speaker 1: or the one that they feel is going to save
[5:42] Speaker 1: the country. And Trump has been propped up as this
[5:46] Speaker 1: savior figure, especially for this last campaign. There's a lot
[5:51] Speaker 1: of theological implications that crept into the election. Trump survived
[5:57] Speaker 1: supposedly to assassination attempt, which you know, we can get
[6:01] Speaker 1: into the high strangeness behind all of that, but it
[6:04] Speaker 1: seems like we have been steered by intelligent script writing,
[6:11] Speaker 1: something that seems to have been planned for a very
[6:14] Speaker 1: very long time. I don't know what's going to come
[6:18] Speaker 1: out of this, but it feels in my.
[6:20] Speaker 2: Gut like a trap.
[6:21] Speaker 1: It feels like those that have been led to think
[6:25] Speaker 1: that Trump is a savior figure have been led into
[6:29] Speaker 1: this massive trap where what is going to unfold is
[6:34] Speaker 1: more surveillance, more control, and it's just going to be
[6:38] Speaker 1: under the guise of something different. And then all of
[6:42] Speaker 1: a sudden, we have all these world leaders that are
[6:45] Speaker 1: backing Trump. Some that completely hated him before, and now
[6:49] Speaker 1: we're just willing to work with him on anything and everything.
[6:53] Speaker 1: I heard, you know, Marina Abramovich that Hollywood which I
[6:59] Speaker 1: heard interview where she was saying Trump was the best
[7:02] Speaker 1: thing to happen to this country. He's the grand magician.
[7:06] Speaker 1: I know Trump has back ground in Kabbala studies, and
[7:12] Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know that. He's claiming to
[7:14] Speaker 1: be this Christian right now. In a speech he said, yeah, Christians,
[7:19] Speaker 1: come out to vote, because if Christians you come out
[7:22] Speaker 1: to vote this time, you will never have to vote again.
[7:25] Speaker 1: We're going to take care of everything. You won't even
[7:27] Speaker 1: have to vote again after this. It's like, what the
[7:30] Speaker 1: fuck does that mean? So there's some very interesting things
[7:34] Speaker 1: that are unfolding, and it concerns me that it may
[7:37] Speaker 1: be some sort of trap.
[7:39] Speaker 3: Like I said, Brahmovisch was right though. When you think
[7:43] Speaker 3: about magic folks, a lot of people don't you know,
[7:46] Speaker 3: you've got the illusionists, illusionists or fantastic They distract you
[7:52] Speaker 3: on one side while they're doing something else. Chris Angel
[7:57] Speaker 3: one of my favorite people, really nice guy, he's a
[7:59] Speaker 3: fan fantastic illusionist. He has you looking everywhere, but where
[8:03] Speaker 3: the actual trick is. At a lot of times that
[8:06] Speaker 3: involves sliding down into a set of stairs that you
[8:09] Speaker 3: would never imagine, and the stairs are moved away. When
[8:12] Speaker 3: the stairs are moved away, guess where he's at. Wherever
[8:15] Speaker 3: the stairs went. That's one of those inside tricks to
[8:18] Speaker 3: you offer illusions. But anyway, so here's the thing. Trump
[8:22] Speaker 3: is a very very good magician. Magic, magi or magic
[8:26] Speaker 3: is defined as using science and the arts in order
[8:33] Speaker 3: to make or bend people to your will. Now you
[8:38] Speaker 3: think about this the art, Well, Trump is an actor. Yeah,
[8:45] Speaker 3: he's also a businessman. There's an art to being a businessman, right, Well,
[8:51] Speaker 3: that is the one side of it. Then you use
[8:53] Speaker 3: the science or the technology, television, neual linguistics, that's a science.
[9:01] Speaker 3: Presentation is art also, so you put up all these
[9:04] Speaker 3: images and everything's done in a certain way. So what
[9:08] Speaker 3: happens is it literally uses the art of presentation, whatever
[9:12] Speaker 3: that might be with the science and technology, television, streaming,
[9:17] Speaker 3: neural linguistics, that those kind of things. And Trump is
[9:21] Speaker 3: the ultimate magician. You look at what he managed to do.
[9:25] Speaker 3: He got one hundred and eighty thousand Amish to vote.
[9:29] Speaker 3: That is magic.
[9:31] Speaker 1: He's also been playing to the like I said, Christians,
[9:35] Speaker 1: but also people who are in the Truther conspiracy community.
[9:41] Speaker 1: I think RFK was a great example of pandering to
[9:46] Speaker 1: some of the people in that alternative space.
[9:49] Speaker 2: It seems like it's.
[9:51] Speaker 1: All part of a bigger plan to lull us into
[9:56] Speaker 1: submission because we believe he's going to save us.
[9:58] Speaker 3: All. Well, let's let's go back to uh day on.
[10:06] Speaker 3: His name just went right out of my head. But
[10:08] Speaker 3: it's it's in a letter, in a speech from eighteen seventies.
[10:13] Speaker 3: When the people demanded a hero, we will provide one
[10:18] Speaker 3: for them, Albert Pike there you. And the reason why
[10:23] Speaker 3: I say that is just because throughout history, if you
[10:27] Speaker 3: look the last one hundred years, when things were so
[10:31] Speaker 3: tense and so serious, like you know, even JFK is
[10:37] Speaker 3: a very good example. People were so frustrated and angry
[10:41] Speaker 3: in the nineteen fifties because of the things that had
[10:44] Speaker 3: been going on, including a lot of globalist things. You know,
[10:48] Speaker 3: you can say what you want about Eisenhewer and Truman,
[10:50] Speaker 3: but look at what they actually did, and then the
[10:53] Speaker 3: socialist Democrats from the forties, you know, installing all these
[10:57] Speaker 3: you know, basically communist principles in the Kennedy was a
[11:02] Speaker 3: hero that people needed it at the time, so they
[11:05] Speaker 3: provided him. Yeah, and you know, I'm not you, folks.
[11:09] Speaker 3: Your opinion that Kennedy makes no difference to me. I mean,
[11:12] Speaker 3: he's pointing out that he was put in place at
[11:15] Speaker 3: a time when people were demanding change. Of course, look
[11:20] Speaker 3: what happened. Nothing.
[11:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[11:23] Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm not gonna claim to have any
[11:28] Speaker 1: real knowledge or foresight of what could be possibly happening.
[11:32] Speaker 1: I don't have any whistleblowers whispering in my ear about
[11:36] Speaker 1: any of this information. I just go off of what
[11:39] Speaker 1: I feel in my gut and my observations, and I
[11:42] Speaker 1: can step back and look at a bigger picture of
[11:44] Speaker 1: how everything's unfolded and have no emotional attachment to either
[11:49] Speaker 1: side of the clown show. So it's easier for me
[11:53] Speaker 1: to look at it objectively and say there's something fundamentally
[11:57] Speaker 1: wrong with everything exactly that we have been presented well.
[12:02] Speaker 3: And I also need to point out to folks, if
[12:06] Speaker 3: you've never heard my podcasts, I did a lot of
[12:10] Speaker 3: Areman and Deja podcasts back in my early early years,
[12:16] Speaker 3: and the Deja has an army that aren't human and
[12:21] Speaker 3: their faces are just flat surfaces. I would invite you
[12:25] Speaker 3: to look at Elon Musk's robots.
[12:27] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was watching one today this earlier.
[12:31] Speaker 3: I'm just pointing this out to you all. The dja
[12:36] Speaker 3: would come from an island. Well, where is Trump's family from?
[12:45] Speaker 3: I want to point this out from an island in
[12:48] Speaker 3: north of England. The second thing I would point out
[12:51] Speaker 3: is is the army of the Dijaal is said to
[12:53] Speaker 3: and the disjaal is an image of It's like cyclical,
[12:58] Speaker 3: But the army of the Dejaal is not human. They
[13:00] Speaker 3: can see with one eye what's in front of them.
[13:03] Speaker 3: With the other eye, they can see everything. Well, these
[13:05] Speaker 3: things are going to be connected to the Internet of
[13:07] Speaker 3: all things, and they have a flat surface face, not
[13:11] Speaker 3: not a real face. I was talking about this stuff
[13:14] Speaker 3: too and a half three years ago when I first
[13:16] Speaker 3: put these podcasts up. So what I'm trying to say
[13:21] Speaker 3: is there's a difference. You got Linen and Stalin. They
[13:25] Speaker 3: did it with hammers and bullets, tanks, bullets and hammers
[13:29] Speaker 3: in their own countries to the tune of several hundred
[13:31] Speaker 3: million people. In our case, they figured out that Americans
[13:37] Speaker 3: are not going to go along with that. So they're
[13:39] Speaker 3: going to slow play it, but it's still going to
[13:43] Speaker 3: be the same results. Digital ied digital currency probably really
[13:49] Speaker 3: god awful, you know, like facial recognition and things like that.
[13:52] Speaker 3: By the way, folks, you can if you don't wear glasses,
[13:54] Speaker 3: or even if you do, you can get glasses. You
[13:57] Speaker 3: can either get the ones that go over your glasses
[13:59] Speaker 3: or the ones that are sunglasses themselves that will prevent
[14:02] Speaker 3: a facial recognition from being able to see you. Now,
[14:05] Speaker 3: how long you'll be able to get by with that
[14:07] Speaker 3: before you end up being arrested depends on how fast
[14:11] Speaker 3: they initiate these things. But you can buy them, and
[14:14] Speaker 3: they're also shirts that do the same thing.
[14:16] Speaker 1: I mean, do we really think because Trump's in office,
[14:20] Speaker 1: the censorship and the surveillance state and the growing police
[14:24] Speaker 1: state is going to all of a sudden stop. No,
[14:28] Speaker 1: it may shift, it may undergo into the guise of
[14:31] Speaker 1: something else, but it will still be there and it
[14:35] Speaker 1: will still be ever growing. And you mentioned this aromonic technology,
[14:40] Speaker 1: and we can see the progression of this. They used
[14:43] Speaker 1: to use celebrities and movies and the nightly news to
[14:48] Speaker 1: spread the propaganda and misinformation. Well, now we have social
[14:52] Speaker 1: media and people are voluntarily subscribing to things that are
[14:58] Speaker 1: just feeding bullshit in their And not only that, the
[15:01] Speaker 1: truth community in the conspiracy community has been infiltrated to
[15:05] Speaker 1: a point to where it's almost impossible to get good
[15:09] Speaker 1: information from eighty to ninety percent of the content creators
[15:16] Speaker 1: that are putting things out there because they're regurgitating and
[15:20] Speaker 1: repeating misinformation that has been flooded exactly.
[15:24] Speaker 2: It's getting crazy. It's like the wild West.
[15:27] Speaker 4: Man.
[15:29] Speaker 3: Well, you know, for me, I have always said that
[15:31] Speaker 3: that Elon must buying Twitter was a honeybuck. Yeah. Yes,
[15:37] Speaker 3: because what they did is they opened it up. They
[15:39] Speaker 3: opened it up so that you could put anything that
[15:41] Speaker 3: you wanted to on there to a point. But at
[15:44] Speaker 3: the same time, by doing so, it has an a system.
[15:48] Speaker 3: It knows everybody you post things there, It knows what
[15:51] Speaker 3: you agree with, disagree you with. And you was talking
[15:55] Speaker 3: about social media, you know, we call it sylo. Yeah,
[15:58] Speaker 3: I mean social media. It's god awful. And I'll give
[16:02] Speaker 3: you a very good example. Four of us were standing
[16:05] Speaker 3: together and I said, Okay, here's the post that I'm
[16:07] Speaker 3: looking at. Okay, and I gave him. I sent them
[16:10] Speaker 3: the link to their text messages. They pulled up the
[16:13] Speaker 3: same link I had. Do you know all four of
[16:15] Speaker 3: us had different comments that were featured on our feeds.
[16:20] Speaker 3: There was my comments pretty much fed my ideology, which
[16:23] Speaker 3: is independent, you know, completely out of the box thinking,
[16:26] Speaker 3: and it was just, you know, kind of like this
[16:28] Speaker 3: was interesting. One of them was it fed right into
[16:31] Speaker 3: his mentality, this is absolutely wrong, this is horrible, this
[16:35] Speaker 3: is terrible, right. And then another one, even though he's
[16:38] Speaker 3: on the other side of the fence, his was saying, oh, yeah,
[16:41] Speaker 3: this is absolutely fantastic. This is exactly what we need.
[16:44] Speaker 3: What that's what they were seeing, And I just point
[16:47] Speaker 3: I showed them how all of us got a completely
[16:50] Speaker 3: different set of featured comments and we don't even know
[16:54] Speaker 3: if those comments are real in it anymore.
[16:55] Speaker 1: How advanced do you think these algorithms are and the
[16:59] Speaker 1: artificial and intelligence that we're interacting with. I saw a
[17:03] Speaker 1: conversation with one of these Tesla robots that you were
[17:06] Speaker 1: just talking about, and it was terrifying the level of
[17:12] Speaker 1: interaction that these things have on the surface, just what
[17:15] Speaker 1: they're showing us. I know that technology that is being
[17:20] Speaker 1: used in these military industrial sectors, three letter agencies, private
[17:25] Speaker 1: sectors are way ahead of anything that they're ever going
[17:29] Speaker 1: to show us how advanced you think it is we're
[17:33] Speaker 1: dealing with.
[17:34] Speaker 3: I think the algorithms themselves are extremely advanced. You know,
[17:41] Speaker 3: you think about being able to silo somebody like me, folks,
[17:45] Speaker 3: I tell you what I do. I use YouTube a lot, unfortunately,
[17:48] Speaker 3: and what I do is I literally download playlists that
[17:51] Speaker 3: are just way off base, like cartoons and learning your alphabet,
[17:57] Speaker 3: and you know, it's just anything I can that doesn't
[18:02] Speaker 3: fit with mine normal. So if you look at my
[18:04] Speaker 3: playlists on my YouTube channel, it is really strange. But
[18:08] Speaker 3: I do that because it takes the algorithm rhythms and
[18:11] Speaker 3: it just sends them into a frenzy. They got no
[18:13] Speaker 3: idea what to do with it. And you really needed
[18:16] Speaker 3: to think about that. You know, when you comment on Facebook, Fraudbook,
[18:20] Speaker 3: or on twits or any site that you use Instagram,
[18:25] Speaker 3: when you make a comment, you're being siloed. It's oh,
[18:29] Speaker 3: he's in favor of this, or she's in favor of that,
[18:31] Speaker 3: or she's against this, or she doesn't like it, or
[18:33] Speaker 3: he doesn't like it, and it's siloing you so that
[18:36] Speaker 3: you see comments that agree with your opinion. I very
[18:41] Speaker 3: rarely make comments. I might like something which is just
[18:43] Speaker 3: as bad. But I'm trying to support friends. You know.
[18:47] Speaker 1: After twenty twenty twenty twenty one, I had real hope
[18:51] Speaker 1: for humanity that we're starting to come together, that people
[18:54] Speaker 1: were starting to become aware and their consciousness was becoming evolved.
[18:59] Speaker 1: But now I'm just really paying attention to people and
[19:03] Speaker 1: looking at some of the things that are coming out,
[19:05] Speaker 1: and that hope is quickly diminishing. Although I'm never going
[19:09] Speaker 1: to give up hope on humanity, but there's just so
[19:12] Speaker 1: many people out there who just don't want to know,
[19:17] Speaker 1: who just want to be immersed in the nonsense and
[19:21] Speaker 1: still be part of the problem and not even be
[19:23] Speaker 1: aware of it. I mentioned the RFK in Trump's cabinet,
[19:29] Speaker 1: and we have people on the far left who are
[19:31] Speaker 1: making videos saying that they're going to add their own
[19:34] Speaker 1: flooride to the water because they don't trust RFK. You
[19:38] Speaker 1: even have state senators and representatives in certain states talking
[19:44] Speaker 1: about they're going to put their own fluoride in the
[19:48] Speaker 1: water system because they think RFK is a quote unquote
[19:53] Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist. And I don't trust a man either, but
[19:57] Speaker 1: that's just the most ridiculous thing I've ever, Oh.
[20:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, folks, to give you a very
[20:04] Speaker 3: good example, fluoride doesn't naturally exist in the form that's
[20:08] Speaker 3: had your water. Fluoride is a is a byproduct of
[20:12] Speaker 3: the aluminum industry. It is a waste product that is
[20:15] Speaker 3: toxic to the ground, toxic to plants, toxic to animals.
[20:19] Speaker 3: It's got skull and crossbones on it. And the aluminum
[20:22] Speaker 3: industry at the time, because they were making they were
[20:26] Speaker 3: making sheets for aircraft, needed a place to get rid
[20:30] Speaker 3: of this fluoride. Well, they figured out if they could
[20:33] Speaker 3: sell it so then it would be disposed of for
[20:36] Speaker 3: them and they wouldn't have to worry about the toxic cleanup.
[20:39] Speaker 3: So they convinced people that fluoride was good for you.
[20:42] Speaker 3: And the fact of the matter is this fluoride is toxic.
[20:44] Speaker 3: It's cancer causing. There are all kinds of It doesn't
[20:48] Speaker 3: help your teeth or your bones at all. As a
[20:49] Speaker 3: matter of fact, it diminishes them over time. So it
[20:53] Speaker 3: is a toxic substance that is a byproduct of aluminum production, which,
[20:57] Speaker 3: by the way, folks, aluminum is not a natural metal.
[21:01] Speaker 3: This reason why it's lethal to humans. So they put
[21:05] Speaker 3: it in the water supply. Now, my thing is is
[21:08] Speaker 3: they could enforce states' rights. So if the Feds say
[21:11] Speaker 3: no more fluoride, the state could come in with their
[21:13] Speaker 3: own legislatures. California is probably one hundred percent sure to
[21:16] Speaker 3: do it. But the state could literally come in and
[21:19] Speaker 3: say no, we're going to afford our water. We don't
[21:20] Speaker 3: care about the Feds. And that's states rights. But there
[21:24] Speaker 3: is one other thing that you have. You have what
[21:26] Speaker 3: they call fundamental rights. Once you're your community rights at
[21:30] Speaker 3: the base level, you could go to your city council
[21:33] Speaker 3: and say we want this shit out of our water,
[21:35] Speaker 3: and you could overrule the state because the state has
[21:39] Speaker 3: rights that are not afforded to individual people, just like
[21:43] Speaker 3: the federal government has rights that are not specifically and
[21:48] Speaker 3: less specifically stated by the states. The Feds don't have
[21:51] Speaker 3: that right. It's the same thing with the state, and
[21:53] Speaker 3: unless specifically given to them by the people, they don't
[21:55] Speaker 3: have the right. But people forget this now what you
[21:59] Speaker 3: were saying people being unable to see or recognize. One
[22:05] Speaker 3: of my first podcasts was called TV Programming, and I
[22:08] Speaker 3: did it for a reason because I wanted to talk
[22:10] Speaker 3: about the mesmerism, the hypnotism, the mk Ultra that television is,
[22:17] Speaker 3: and I explained how television is by design a hypnotic tool.
[22:23] Speaker 3: It's a mind brainwashing tool. When the digital boxes first
[22:31] Speaker 3: came out way back in the eighties, the cable boxes
[22:34] Speaker 3: were issued before that, folks, it was just a cable
[22:36] Speaker 3: to hooked to your TV. When the cable boxes came out,
[22:40] Speaker 3: first of all, they put out their own frequency. They
[22:42] Speaker 3: had a frequency that they filled your house with. And
[22:46] Speaker 3: when those things hit the cable boxes and the satellite
[22:49] Speaker 3: boxes hit your homes, viewership of television went up like
[22:53] Speaker 3: eighty percent, and the number of hours television was watched
[22:57] Speaker 3: went up like how I think it was like thirteen
[22:59] Speaker 3: h okay, And it got worse over time, but immediately
[23:05] Speaker 3: it went up within the first six months of those
[23:07] Speaker 3: cable boxes being reissued. The original ones were push buttons.
[23:11] Speaker 3: They had no digitizing to them. They had no frequency
[23:14] Speaker 3: that they put out. It was the infrared ones, by
[23:18] Speaker 3: the way. Those infrared things can scan your home too,
[23:20] Speaker 3: by the way, But anyway, the whole point is that
[23:22] Speaker 3: when they digitized the cable boxes, viewership went up. Length
[23:27] Speaker 3: of time people sitting in front of the TV went up,
[23:29] Speaker 3: and people's inability to fight off, that programming went down.
[23:33] Speaker 3: Now we have digital television that operates at seventy two hurts,
[23:37] Speaker 3: which is the same frequency that your brain operates at,
[23:40] Speaker 3: and if you got one hundred and forty four hurts,
[23:42] Speaker 3: you're getting a double wave. It's by design. So my
[23:48] Speaker 3: first the first one I did was called TV programming,
[23:51] Speaker 3: and then as a tribute to my friend Cliff High,
[23:53] Speaker 3: I did one that's called brainwashing and frequency wou. Between
[23:59] Speaker 3: the two of them, they explain to you how TV
[24:02] Speaker 3: makes it so people cannot see. You know, I said
[24:05] Speaker 3: numerous times that I could take a stack of papers
[24:08] Speaker 3: as high as the Trump Tower and as big as
[24:11] Speaker 3: Manhattan Island and put it in front of somebody that
[24:14] Speaker 3: is evidenced that shows what they believe to be absolutely untrue,
[24:17] Speaker 3: and they would not be able to see it. And
[24:20] Speaker 3: it's because of the brainwashing, you know. I call them
[24:23] Speaker 3: brainwash zombie TV addicts because they really are. They're addicted
[24:27] Speaker 3: to the television. They have Stockholm syndrome. They are given
[24:30] Speaker 3: a rush, then they are putting down. Then they are
[24:33] Speaker 3: given a rush, and then they're scared and made anxious,
[24:35] Speaker 3: and then they're given a rush, and it is literally
[24:38] Speaker 3: MK ultra at its best.
[24:40] Speaker 1: You know, while we're on the subject of MK ultra control,
[24:46] Speaker 1: I have reason to suspect based on the many, many guests,
[24:51] Speaker 1: even guests I've had recently, that have discussed their experiences
[24:57] Speaker 1: of being a targeted individual. There's so much of their stories,
[25:02] Speaker 1: many of these that can't be verified, and some of
[25:05] Speaker 1: it seems so fantastic and unbelievable that it's hard to
[25:10] Speaker 1: believe that it could be really happening in reality. But
[25:14] Speaker 1: there's more and more people that I've been talking to
[25:18] Speaker 1: that it seems like they may have been involved with
[25:23] Speaker 1: projects from a very young age. I talked with someone
[25:26] Speaker 1: about the Gifted and Talented program and some of the
[25:30] Speaker 1: nefarious things that can go on behind that, and individuals
[25:34] Speaker 1: that have been surveyed their whole lives, people coming in
[25:39] Speaker 1: and out of their lives, guiding them in certain directions.
[25:42] Speaker 1: But not only that, we have this technology, we have
[25:46] Speaker 1: so many kids hooked on pharmaceutical drugs, and I wonder
[25:49] Speaker 1: how easy it is to program these people to do
[25:55] Speaker 1: things that they wouldn't normally do.
[25:58] Speaker 2: We'll just leave it at that.
[26:00] Speaker 3: I figure it's very very easy, and well, you think
[26:02] Speaker 3: about it, we got a whole generation. And I pointed
[26:04] Speaker 3: this out in one of my podcasts recent podcasts. We
[26:08] Speaker 3: got a whole generation that was put on ADHD drugs
[26:11] Speaker 3: and other things, right, reuptake inhibitors and things like that. Well,
[26:17] Speaker 3: now you have somebody who has basically kept some unconscious anyway,
[26:22] Speaker 3: and then you put them in front of a television
[26:24] Speaker 3: with all this stuff spewing at them all day long,
[26:26] Speaker 3: plus whatever else they're exposed to, whether it be you know,
[26:30] Speaker 3: lyrics in music or videos or whatever. So we have
[26:35] Speaker 3: a whole generation now, I say, a whole generation for
[26:38] Speaker 3: basically the last twenty five to thirty years that have
[26:42] Speaker 3: been completely if she's my language, y'all, they have been
[26:46] Speaker 3: completely mind ft and from the time that they were little.
[26:53] Speaker 3: You know, most of your problems with hyperactivity is just
[26:56] Speaker 3: the fact that they've eliminated playground time from kids. You know,
[27:02] Speaker 3: when we were in school back in the seventies, you all,
[27:04] Speaker 3: we had we had fifteen minutes in the morning, then
[27:07] Speaker 3: we had thirty minutes thirty thirty five minutes in the
[27:11] Speaker 3: dinner time, and then we had fifteen minutes in the
[27:13] Speaker 3: afternoon just to burn off steam. So we weren't you know,
[27:16] Speaker 3: going ape shit crazy in the classroom. Well, now they're
[27:18] Speaker 3: complaining because the kids are just too hyperactive in the
[27:21] Speaker 3: class Well.
[27:21] Speaker 1: They're giving them speed at the youngest of ages. They
[27:26] Speaker 1: give them any types of pharmaceutical as a band aid
[27:29] Speaker 1: to fix whatever behavioral problems they have because their parents
[27:33] Speaker 1: don't know how to take care of them to begin with.
[27:37] Speaker 3: Yes, well, and that leads that pharmaceutical. You know, I
[27:40] Speaker 3: pointed out in my podcast. They have been pharmaceutically neutered mentally,
[27:46] Speaker 3: so it makes it very easy for whatever they see
[27:49] Speaker 3: on TV or whatever they hear. You know. A very
[27:51] Speaker 3: good example is you know, and I don't take sides,
[27:53] Speaker 3: you all, I couldn't carry one one way or the other.
[27:55] Speaker 3: But when you look at trump derangement syndrome, yeah, that
[27:59] Speaker 3: is that is specifically bring Washington from watching people who
[28:05] Speaker 3: are telling them lies. Don't get me wrong, I don't
[28:08] Speaker 3: like Trump for a lot of reasons, a lot of reasons,
[28:11] Speaker 3: but at the same time, a lot of what people
[28:14] Speaker 3: refer to him as is completely untrue. Very good example
[28:17] Speaker 3: is the abortion issue. Trump was one hundred percent right
[28:20] Speaker 3: about the abortion issue. That is not a federal that
[28:24] Speaker 3: has nothing to do with Washington, DC that's a state's
[28:26] Speaker 3: rights issue, and people are all screaming because he threw
[28:30] Speaker 3: it back to the stage, which is where it should
[28:32] Speaker 3: have been in the first place under our constitution, because
[28:35] Speaker 3: that is one of those things that was not specifically
[28:38] Speaker 3: given to the federal government, and people who do not
[28:42] Speaker 3: understand how that works are all up in arms. But
[28:46] Speaker 3: there are many many things that the federal government has
[28:49] Speaker 3: taken that they do not have the right to control,
[28:51] Speaker 3: good example as Homeland Security Agency. Another good example is FEMA.
[28:55] Speaker 3: They have no right under the constitution and under the
[28:59] Speaker 3: authorities of the state to do what they do. Yet
[29:04] Speaker 3: people won't demand that those rights be brought back to
[29:07] Speaker 3: the states. The only time that this country was ever
[29:10] Speaker 3: supposed to be federalized was when it was a national issue,
[29:16] Speaker 3: not anything that involves states or regional you know, like counties.
[29:20] Speaker 3: Those are for them to deal with. The state doesn't
[29:22] Speaker 3: even have power when it comes to those things. But
[29:26] Speaker 3: we have federalized all this stuff that constitutionally is illegal
[29:31] Speaker 3: for them to even talk about.
[29:34] Speaker 1: We've just been programmed to fight over and worry about
[29:38] Speaker 1: anything exactly taking care of our own shit, which will get.
[29:43] Speaker 3: To later exactly well, you know, and folks, something that
[29:47] Speaker 3: I brought up with Chris that he hadn't seen, and
[29:50] Speaker 3: I need to point out to you all, is it
[29:52] Speaker 3: is one true. Now they're trying to spend this in
[29:56] Speaker 3: different ways on the media, But all this stuff that
[30:00] Speaker 3: I did for eighteen and a half years, I worked atomic, biological,
[30:02] Speaker 3: and chemical. I never once in my life ever thought
[30:07] Speaker 3: that I would see a intermediary ballistic missile used in combat,
[30:13] Speaker 3: let alone a multiple head intermediate ballistic missile. Now rosian circumstances, Well,
[30:24] Speaker 3: last weekend, last weekend, the United States and England launched
[30:32] Speaker 3: attackers ata CMS attacks and I'm trying to remember what
[30:37] Speaker 3: the other ones are called from England, but they're just
[30:39] Speaker 3: basically the same thing, long range missiles into Russia. Now,
[30:45] Speaker 3: the fact that the fact is that there's no way
[30:47] Speaker 3: ukrain could have done it because those two missile systems
[30:49] Speaker 3: and the one that the French have are controlled by
[30:53] Speaker 3: the Nation satellites and they're intelligence community. So the attackers
[30:58] Speaker 3: had to have been fired by American person that under
[31:00] Speaker 3: American orders. Okay, that's the first thing people need to understand,
[31:04] Speaker 3: the same thing with the British whatever the hell them
[31:06] Speaker 3: things are called. And now the French have done it yesterday,
[31:10] Speaker 3: French missiles. They were shot into a part of Crimea yesterday.
[31:15] Speaker 3: There is no way that the Ukrainians could fire those
[31:18] Speaker 3: or even do the telemetry on them. So it had
[31:20] Speaker 3: to be done by the United States, England and France. Well.
[31:23] Speaker 3: In response to that, because there's a manufacturing facility in
[31:27] Speaker 3: Ukraine that manufactures different parts for rockets, the Soviets have
[31:34] Speaker 3: created a hypersonic intermediary ballistic missile, which means is short range,
[31:41] Speaker 3: short range bit about three thousand kilometers, you all. It
[31:44] Speaker 3: can literally the thing can hit anywhere in Europe. But
[31:48] Speaker 3: anyway they shot it, it had There were six of
[31:51] Speaker 3: them that were shot and each one of them had
[31:52] Speaker 3: six warheads. And it wasn't nuclear payload. It was just
[31:55] Speaker 3: a conventional payload. But it travels at mock ten, you all,
[32:00] Speaker 3: So just awighted awaited munition. Wouldn't have to have an
[32:06] Speaker 3: explosive to it at all, just awaited munition like rods
[32:10] Speaker 3: of God. If they loaded them things with rods of
[32:12] Speaker 3: God at that speed and they hit the ground, it
[32:14] Speaker 3: would just pulverize anything underneath it, and you can't stop it.
[32:18] Speaker 3: It's mock ten. There's nothing that we got would be
[32:20] Speaker 3: even come close to stopping it. But I want to
[32:23] Speaker 3: point out to you all, in my lifetime, I never
[32:25] Speaker 3: thought I would see an intermediary ballistic missile ever fired.
[32:30] Speaker 3: And we have just seen one country forced through the
[32:34] Speaker 3: actions of other nations, forced to take out that plant,
[32:38] Speaker 3: and they used one thing that would not be stopped
[32:41] Speaker 3: in order to do it. So you know this, this
[32:45] Speaker 3: acceleration seems And here's the thing. We've got a Lane
[32:48] Speaker 3: Duck president being run by the West Execu Group. Folks,
[32:52] Speaker 3: if you don't know who West Executive is, that's where
[32:54] Speaker 3: Blinking and the rest of these guys come from. You
[32:58] Speaker 3: need to find out who's flying ancing. I'm not going
[33:01] Speaker 3: to go into it, but you need to find out
[33:02] Speaker 3: who West Exect is because when Biden moved into the
[33:05] Speaker 3: White House, West exec moved in with him. So if
[33:09] Speaker 3: you find out who's financing West exec you'll know who's
[33:11] Speaker 3: making the decisions for Biden. But the whole point is
[33:16] Speaker 3: is we actually saw he intermediary ballistic missile used in
[33:22] Speaker 3: combat first time in my lifetime, y'all know, Before.
[33:25] Speaker 1: We move out of the realm of what's happening with
[33:29] Speaker 1: politics and the insanity with society, do you have any
[33:34] Speaker 1: thoughts or predictions about what we may expect in the
[33:38] Speaker 1: upcoming years.
[33:41] Speaker 3: Oh dude, you know, you have to be old enough,
[33:46] Speaker 3: or you have to be researched. And I have to
[33:47] Speaker 3: understand Kissinger and Brazenski and Rockefellers and Rothschilds. If you
[33:52] Speaker 3: don't understand those core individuals and groups that have been
[33:57] Speaker 3: directing this stuff for fifty plus years at this point,
[34:02] Speaker 3: and some of them, you know, for one hundred years.
[34:05] Speaker 3: If you don't understand where they were at and what
[34:08] Speaker 3: they were saying one hundred years ago, then you don't see.
[34:12] Speaker 3: It doesn't matter who's president, It doesn't matter who's it wore,
[34:14] Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. You know, world wars didn't make any difference.
[34:19] Speaker 3: The World Wars were just a means to an end.
[34:22] Speaker 3: The first one created the League of the Nations, the
[34:24] Speaker 3: second one created the United Nations. It was on purpose.
[34:28] Speaker 3: You know, people don't realize that during World War One
[34:30] Speaker 3: and World War Two, those were all cousins fighting each other.
[34:35] Speaker 3: So we so it was a power struggle, No, it wasn't.
[34:37] Speaker 3: They were still talking, The leaders were still talking while
[34:42] Speaker 3: they were had the soldiers out there killing each other.
[34:47] Speaker 3: So what I see is a continuation as long as
[34:51] Speaker 3: people keep putting this energy into it and keep this
[34:54] Speaker 3: division thing going, I see the continuation of the same process,
[34:58] Speaker 3: more control, more control, more control, moving towards that global
[35:04] Speaker 3: totalitarian corporatist state. That's what they want. You know, you
[35:09] Speaker 3: can look at mercantilism if you want to. It's the
[35:11] Speaker 3: same idea, the same concept. But they want a global
[35:15] Speaker 3: totalitarian state that is corporativists. That means that you cannot
[35:20] Speaker 3: separate the corporate corporations like Pfizer or the military industrial
[35:25] Speaker 3: complex from the state itself. And if you look at
[35:30] Speaker 3: Elon Musk, he's a very good example of a corporativist
[35:35] Speaker 3: X and TWEX would not exist if the state did
[35:39] Speaker 3: not allow it.
[35:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, what are your thoughts on Elon Musk and his
[35:44] Speaker 1: role and everything.
[35:47] Speaker 3: Well, you know, he talks a good game when you
[35:50] Speaker 3: have to. I don't say you don't listen to people's words.
[35:54] Speaker 3: You look at what they actually do, Okay, I don't
[35:58] Speaker 3: care who it is. You look at what they actually do.
[36:02] Speaker 3: And what is Musk doing. He is moving right into
[36:04] Speaker 3: that aramonic stage that I talked about a few years ago.
[36:09] Speaker 3: I mean, at a massive speed, and he's being financed
[36:13] Speaker 3: by the state to do it. You know, he doesn't
[36:18] Speaker 3: take a genius to figure out that this is exactly
[36:21] Speaker 3: what we're looking at. You know, we talked about the
[36:23] Speaker 3: flat face masks. You know, the Dejall has an army
[36:29] Speaker 3: that can see with one eye. The other eye can
[36:32] Speaker 3: see everything. Well, these robots have access to the Internet
[36:36] Speaker 3: of Things. They're going to know everything that they need
[36:40] Speaker 3: to know and immediately if it's accessible from the Internet,
[36:44] Speaker 3: while they're looking at you with their camera lens.
[36:46] Speaker 1: Well, it definitely seems like we might have to be
[36:48] Speaker 1: more worried about the robotic invasion than the coming alien invasion.
[36:54] Speaker 1: They're rolling this out so slowly. Although we just had
[36:59] Speaker 1: an other hearing, and I know you paid a little
[37:03] Speaker 1: bit of attention to it, as have I not really
[37:06] Speaker 1: that much at all. But it's the same players or
[37:10] Speaker 1: the same clowns spouting the same things over and over again.
[37:16] Speaker 2: With no evidence.
[37:17] Speaker 3: It's called theater distraction. They want you to think that
[37:21] Speaker 3: the Senate is doing something to address your concerns, but
[37:25] Speaker 3: what they're actually doing is trying to create anxiety in you.
[37:29] Speaker 3: Because you go back and you talk to the original
[37:33] Speaker 3: people within the UFO communities like Damski. There's a couple
[37:39] Speaker 3: of them in Europe. You talk to these individuals. I've
[37:43] Speaker 3: done interviews with Glenn Steckling, who runs the Damski estate. Folks,
[37:49] Speaker 3: anything that they said about UFOs and visitors was positive,
[37:54] Speaker 3: not harmful, not violent. They want you looking up at
[38:00] Speaker 3: violence rather than looking at the people in your own
[38:03] Speaker 3: communities and your own government. That's what they're doing in
[38:06] Speaker 3: this lou Alessandro or whatever is his name, Alexander, I
[38:10] Speaker 3: got no idea what this dude's name is. I got
[38:12] Speaker 3: I got no idea what his name is, because every
[38:14] Speaker 3: time I see him, I just disregard him. He's a
[38:17] Speaker 3: CIA operative. The first operation didn't work with what it was.
[38:21] Speaker 3: It would star something.
[38:22] Speaker 2: Rather star the Stars Academy.
[38:24] Speaker 3: Well that didn't work with all the faces that they had.
[38:29] Speaker 3: So they're bringing him out now and he's upset that
[38:32] Speaker 3: they had lied to him. Come on, y'all, he's CIA.
[38:37] Speaker 3: He just give it up and senat heters what they are, y'all.
[38:42] Speaker 3: It's in the long con. When you're running a con
[38:46] Speaker 3: on somebody, you can go back and look at some
[38:48] Speaker 3: of these old movies. But when they're running along con
[38:51] Speaker 3: on somebody. They always have this point where they have
[38:54] Speaker 3: to cool the mark. Good example I like to use
[38:57] Speaker 3: is Oliver North with the Iron and Contra deal. They
[39:01] Speaker 3: were sending weapons to Iran and drug money and drugs
[39:06] Speaker 3: out of the South America. They brought Allay North in
[39:11] Speaker 3: because he was a colonel. He was part of the
[39:13] Speaker 3: Strategic Operations Group that were running that Gladiol program. They
[39:17] Speaker 3: brought him in front of the Senate and they just
[39:19] Speaker 3: read him the Riot Act. Oh you did terrible, awf loo,
[39:22] Speaker 3: and you know, they did everything but cuss him out right.
[39:24] Speaker 3: They read him the Riot Act, and they undressed him
[39:26] Speaker 3: and dressed him and redressed him, and he was the
[39:30] Speaker 3: fall guy. And everybody in this country said, oh, they
[39:33] Speaker 3: did their job, when in fact, all they did was
[39:38] Speaker 3: got one person up there who had some brass on him,
[39:41] Speaker 3: you know, and looked like the military guy, and he
[39:43] Speaker 3: really was Colonel North. But here's the thing that's called
[39:47] Speaker 3: cooling the mark. When he got done with those hearings,
[39:51] Speaker 3: he had to leave the military. He did. He went
[39:54] Speaker 3: to a million dollar a year job. Okay. But everybody
[40:00] Speaker 3: in the country is like, oh, they did something about it,
[40:02] Speaker 3: and when in fact, it just continued, And that's what
[40:06] Speaker 3: they do with the Senate and in the congressional hearings. It's
[40:09] Speaker 3: called cooling the mark. When the people in the United
[40:11] Speaker 3: States get upset about something, and they know they're upset
[40:14] Speaker 3: about it, they have a hearing, they'll get somebody on
[40:17] Speaker 3: the right in front of them and they'll they'll dress
[40:19] Speaker 3: him down really good, and oh, don't you do that again,
[40:24] Speaker 3: And then everybody in the country just lets it go.
[40:27] Speaker 3: And that's called cooling the mark. It's a long con
[40:30] Speaker 3: that should tell you something about what the Senate in
[40:32] Speaker 3: the Congress actually is. They are running a con job.
[40:36] Speaker 3: They call it Congress they run. They're running a con
[40:40] Speaker 3: job on the population of the United States, and they
[40:42] Speaker 3: have been since nineteen thirteen when they put the Federal Reserve.
[40:45] Speaker 1: Well, let's look at lou Alizondo critically, just for a second.
[40:50] Speaker 1: The man spent how much of his life not only
[40:54] Speaker 1: in intelligence. He was a counter intelligence officer so meaning operative,
[41:00] Speaker 1: so meaning he is there to spread misinformation and to
[41:05] Speaker 1: confuse the situation. And that's his job, that's his primary job.
[41:10] Speaker 1: And I'm sure if you just do a couple of
[41:13] Speaker 1: Google searches or on YouTube, you will be able to
[41:16] Speaker 1: find the interview where he stated in the interview he
[41:20] Speaker 1: is currently still doing counter intelligence within the UFO community.
[41:25] Speaker 2: What is that supposed to mean?
[41:27] Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, and you know people completely ignore it. That's
[41:31] Speaker 3: what I don't get. He says, I am still doing
[41:34] Speaker 3: counterintelligence operations within the UFO community. Well, what would that be.
[41:38] Speaker 3: That would be spreading information that's not accurate in order
[41:42] Speaker 3: to muddy the situation.
[41:45] Speaker 2: The definition of insanity.
[41:46] Speaker 1: We keep trusting these swamp people, these military families, these
[41:52] Speaker 1: military industrial pigs that continue to deceive us and give
[41:59] Speaker 1: us information that leads us in the wrong direction and
[42:03] Speaker 1: use whatever technology they have to propel wars and gain
[42:09] Speaker 1: more power. And that's what it's always been about. But
[42:13] Speaker 1: they present it to us like they're doing us some
[42:15] Speaker 1: kind of favor by disclosing extraterrestrials.
[42:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well yeah, but you know, extraterrestrials could
[42:24] Speaker 3: be a lot of things. I mean, people don't you know,
[42:26] Speaker 3: everybody wants to think that they're from Venus or Mars
[42:29] Speaker 3: or some other galaxy or whatever. But extraterrestrial is a
[42:33] Speaker 3: very very very very definite word. When you say extra
[42:40] Speaker 3: that means other than or outside of and terrestrial means
[42:44] Speaker 3: what is known. Okay, so what is known to us
[42:48] Speaker 3: the seven continents that we live on, right, So extraterrestrial
[42:55] Speaker 3: could be continents that we don't know nothing about. It
[42:58] Speaker 3: could be it could be inner Earth, it could be
[43:02] Speaker 3: outside the rings, it could be underwater. Yeah, you know,
[43:07] Speaker 3: there's a whole ocean underneath the crust of the Earth.
[43:12] Speaker 1: I think that there's a much broader ecosystem of life
[43:17] Speaker 1: beyond our perception as well.
[43:20] Speaker 3: Years ago, you and I had a conversation and I
[43:23] Speaker 3: brought up the submarine that looked like a giant fish
[43:28] Speaker 3: that came to shore in South America and the people
[43:31] Speaker 3: that came out of it had to wear pressure suits
[43:34] Speaker 3: to be outside of the ship. Now, what if you
[43:38] Speaker 3: lived at the bottom of the ocean or inside the
[43:40] Speaker 3: lower ocean where there's actually open spaces it's not all water,
[43:44] Speaker 3: which is really which is really cool to me. When
[43:48] Speaker 3: they did the scan, they realized that there's more water
[43:50] Speaker 3: under the crest than over it, and then there's empty
[43:52] Speaker 3: spaces down there that the water doesn't fill. Now, if
[43:56] Speaker 3: you lived at that kind of pressure and then you
[43:59] Speaker 3: came to the surface, is to help rebuild that after
[44:01] Speaker 3: a catastrophe. This is after the jaguar had swallowed the
[44:04] Speaker 3: sun and spit it back out again. They came to
[44:07] Speaker 3: the surface and it looked like a giant fish, and
[44:09] Speaker 3: they tried to throw spears at it, and they just
[44:11] Speaker 3: bounced off. And then these people came out warning these
[44:14] Speaker 3: like pressure suits, and they got pictures of them on
[44:16] Speaker 3: the glyphs down in South America showing what they were wearing.
[44:21] Speaker 3: If you lived at a high pressure area and then
[44:23] Speaker 3: you came to the surface, you would need something to maintain,
[44:26] Speaker 3: just like we do when we go down. I still
[44:31] Speaker 3: I still adhere to the likelihood that what we're talking
[44:35] Speaker 3: about with extraterrestrial is enter Earth, not outer space yah
[44:39] Speaker 3: people always say, or interdimensional interdimensional even because we are
[44:44] Speaker 3: we are You and I have talked about this too.
[44:46] Speaker 3: We are locked into a very finite, extremely finite visual
[44:51] Speaker 3: hearing and an auditory space. There could be somebody standing
[44:57] Speaker 3: right next to me that's vibrating it just a slight
[44:59] Speaker 3: frequency above or below me, and I wouldn't even be
[45:01] Speaker 3: able to see him.
[45:03] Speaker 1: That's another thing that we need to take into consideration
[45:07] Speaker 1: with a lot of crossover paranormal activities, cryptids, bigfoots, dog men.
[45:13] Speaker 2: Is what you just said.
[45:14] Speaker 1: We have limited perception with the spectrum of vision that
[45:20] Speaker 1: we have, but also we compare things to as we
[45:25] Speaker 1: do things, as we would act if we were those creatures.
[45:30] Speaker 1: But they probably have a completely different perspective on reality,
[45:35] Speaker 1: a different understanding of how to be evasive from the
[45:40] Speaker 1: dirty humans, or how to not be seen, or even
[45:44] Speaker 1: like we were saying, maybe they know how to shift
[45:47] Speaker 1: to just a different vibratory state to where they just
[45:51] Speaker 1: look like they're blending in with the background, which seems
[45:54] Speaker 1: to be happening a lot with big free cases.
[45:58] Speaker 3: You know, it goes back to the simulation theory and
[46:02] Speaker 3: I I'm a you know, I call it the I
[46:04] Speaker 3: call it the uh holographic human aium. We are locked
[46:08] Speaker 3: into an electromagnetic frequency at a very specific vibration at
[46:13] Speaker 3: a very specific energy level, which is electromagnetic within a
[46:16] Speaker 3: very limited visual spectrum. That's how holograms work. If you
[46:21] Speaker 3: had a means to change your vibration, you know, energy frequency, vibration,
[46:25] Speaker 3: you all, that's the reason why Jesla's talked about it
[46:28] Speaker 3: so much. If you could change your energy frequency or
[46:31] Speaker 3: vibration just slightly, you're not in the same space. Think
[46:33] Speaker 3: about meditation. When you meditate, you end up in a
[46:36] Speaker 3: completely different space. You don't hear things, you don't see things.
[46:40] Speaker 3: Either that or you become even more aware of things.
[46:43] Speaker 3: There is a reason why energy, frequency and vibration is
[46:46] Speaker 3: the equation. So if we have something you know, very
[46:50] Speaker 3: good example is bigfoot. I like to use that example
[46:53] Speaker 3: because everybody's familiar with it. Sosquatch sabe. If they're they're
[47:00] Speaker 3: walking past you and you happen to notice them and
[47:02] Speaker 3: all of a sudden they vanish, it could be nothing
[47:05] Speaker 3: more or less than a meditative state that makes them
[47:07] Speaker 3: invisible to you, because you can't do that. And the
[47:12] Speaker 3: same thing with these craft that we see, Like, boy,
[47:15] Speaker 3: I'll tell you what these here lately, the cylinders are
[47:19] Speaker 3: being seen everywhere. Again, it's like are they projections or
[47:23] Speaker 3: are they real? Well, there's a couple of playlots that
[47:25] Speaker 3: ran into one over the Pacific that freaked them out
[47:28] Speaker 3: because it was like one hundred feet off their wing
[47:31] Speaker 3: and parallel them. That would freak me out. I'm flying
[47:35] Speaker 3: a seven forty seven and I've got a tube, but
[47:37] Speaker 3: that's glowing one hundred feet off my wing. But apparently
[47:43] Speaker 3: something's going on because those are the ones the tic
[47:46] Speaker 3: TACs and those cylinders are the ones that showed up
[47:48] Speaker 3: during World War Two.
[47:50] Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned that they're painting the UFO narrative as
[47:56] Speaker 1: some sort of threat. I used to think that that's
[48:01] Speaker 1: the most obvious and logical reason they'd be rolling out
[48:06] Speaker 1: this disclosure narrative is so that they could also roll
[48:10] Speaker 1: out new weapons. Advanced exotic technology that may or probably
[48:17] Speaker 1: is part of it. But they're going to roll out
[48:20] Speaker 1: whatever technology they want whenever they want anyway they can
[48:24] Speaker 1: put any narrative behind it. So could it be that
[48:28] Speaker 1: they have knowledge of something and they're trying to get
[48:31] Speaker 1: ahead of something, or they're painting it as a threat
[48:35] Speaker 1: because so many of the conspiracies we've heard lately project bluebeam,
[48:42] Speaker 1: fake invasion, or something that we're not even touching on yet.
[48:46] Speaker 3: Who knows, Well, you know years for years now, I
[48:52] Speaker 3: don't know about you, but for years, I'm sure you do.
[48:54] Speaker 3: You know you got the t R three B, you
[48:57] Speaker 3: got the X thirty eight s. Whence you're small version
[49:00] Speaker 3: of the space shuttles that that one was up for
[49:02] Speaker 3: like three hundred and eighty five days. We've got the
[49:06] Speaker 3: X forty one Phantoms and the X forty eights, which
[49:09] Speaker 3: nobody has seen pictures of yet. These are you know,
[49:13] Speaker 3: the X forty one and the X forty eights are unmanned,
[49:17] Speaker 3: but they look like something out of Battle Star Galactica.
[49:19] Speaker 3: Now here's my question. If we have that technology available,
[49:22] Speaker 3: why aren't we using it? I need to point this out. Yes,
[49:26] Speaker 3: we have seen something that looks like these things. We
[49:28] Speaker 3: have seen pictures. We have actually seen a few of
[49:31] Speaker 3: them in flight. Okay, but there is a you know,
[49:35] Speaker 3: there's that second hand thing. Look at this hand, but
[49:38] Speaker 3: don't look at this one. And if these things are available,
[49:43] Speaker 3: if you had a TR three B that could fly
[49:45] Speaker 3: through the clouds and use a laser beam to shoot
[49:48] Speaker 3: lightning down, wouldn't you use it? If you had an
[49:53] Speaker 3: X forty one Phantom the Navy actually had them functional,
[49:58] Speaker 3: wouldn't you use it. It's supposed to be hypersonic, it's
[50:01] Speaker 3: supposed to be faster than human reactions, and it's supposed
[50:04] Speaker 3: to be evasive of radar and missile technology. Would you
[50:08] Speaker 3: not put that thing in the area.
[50:10] Speaker 1: You're right, we have witnessed a lot of exotic technology
[50:14] Speaker 1: that most likely came from our own military. But I
[50:18] Speaker 1: also have to wonder how much we're really implementing a
[50:22] Speaker 1: lot of this technology in conflicts and wars is different operations.
[50:29] Speaker 3: It looks good, it looks good, it looks really good,
[50:33] Speaker 3: really scary. But if it was as scary as they
[50:37] Speaker 3: want you to think it is, why the hell aren't
[50:38] Speaker 3: they used?
[50:39] Speaker 4: Well?
[50:39] Speaker 1: I have a thought was an interesting theory that even
[50:44] Speaker 1: what we're shown to be unfolding in a lot of
[50:49] Speaker 1: global conflicts and wars maybe heavily scripted and theatrical in
[50:57] Speaker 1: a sense, that what we're being shown is not what's
[51:00] Speaker 1: really unfolding in these countries. Yes, there may be battles,
[51:05] Speaker 1: there may be death, there may be conflict, but it
[51:08] Speaker 1: may be glamorized and beefed up to where the populace
[51:14] Speaker 1: believes a certain narrative about it. And why wouldn't they.
[51:18] Speaker 1: This is what propaganda one oh one is. This is
[51:21] Speaker 1: what we've been doing throughout every war. The numbers are inflated,
[51:26] Speaker 1: it's dramatized. The scenes we see coming out of the
[51:31] Speaker 1: battlefield itself seem to be in a sense, overly dramatic
[51:37] Speaker 1: and overly theatrical.
[51:38] Speaker 3: At the time case, folks, I have to emphasize this
[51:42] Speaker 3: since he's bringing it up. We have footage out of
[51:44] Speaker 3: Afghanistan and people riding the balloon. See one that was
[51:49] Speaker 3: a balloon, It had no engines, no windows, nothing. They're
[51:51] Speaker 3: setting on it. One guy's it's supposed to be moving
[51:54] Speaker 3: down the runway using its engines and the guy is
[51:58] Speaker 3: setting on the wheelhousing. That's not going to happen. That
[52:02] Speaker 3: was just a parade with a giant float that you
[52:05] Speaker 3: know they call them, there's a word for it, but anyway,
[52:09] Speaker 3: it's it's false equipment that they put on the runway
[52:12] Speaker 3: to distract enemy troops. But it's a giant balloon, is
[52:15] Speaker 3: what it was. And then people had cell phones. They're
[52:19] Speaker 3: in Africa, they're supposed to be in Afghanistan, and they
[52:21] Speaker 3: got iPhones and stuff, and if you look at their shoes, folks,
[52:25] Speaker 3: none of that was real. Then you had that march
[52:27] Speaker 3: coming through Mexico that was supposed to be all these
[52:29] Speaker 3: people invading and they're wearing flip flops.
[52:32] Speaker 1: And we're not saying that these battles aren't taking places.
[52:35] Speaker 1: I know that PTSD is real. I know troops come
[52:38] Speaker 1: home they're traumatized. But yes, like you said, there is exactly.
[52:43] Speaker 3: And then we have this other thing, we have this
[52:45] Speaker 3: other thing. I don't know how many people are familiar
[52:47] Speaker 3: with nineteen eighty four, and people get sick to be
[52:49] Speaker 3: bringing this up. But you have to remember in nineteen
[52:52] Speaker 3: eighty four, the speakers and the television were showing people
[52:56] Speaker 3: the war between the East and the West, and it
[52:59] Speaker 3: was all all script Yes, they would set off an
[53:02] Speaker 3: explosion occasionally to scare people. But the thing about it
[53:06] Speaker 3: is is it was all scripted. It was a big
[53:08] Speaker 3: brother showing you what they wanted you to see. And
[53:12] Speaker 3: that's where we've been.
[53:14] Speaker 1: This alsocts the question of how much coordination is there
[53:18] Speaker 1: amongst all sides when it comes to global conflicts. Could
[53:23] Speaker 1: it be that there's an agreement at the highest levels
[53:26] Speaker 1: to where we'll have this much bloodshed versus this much
[53:29] Speaker 1: theater to elicit this emotional response.
[53:34] Speaker 3: World War One and World War two was a war
[53:36] Speaker 3: between cousins. None of the cousins themselves were killed. They say, well,
[53:41] Speaker 3: the Chancellor of the Duke was killed. Well, no, the
[53:44] Speaker 3: Duke was seen in South America after he was supposedly assassinated. Y'all,
[53:48] Speaker 3: so you tell me. But anyway, World War one and
[53:53] Speaker 3: World War two was fought between relatives by the people
[53:57] Speaker 3: that they were ruling over. And yes, it was bloody,
[54:01] Speaker 3: it was horrific, and it led to you know, the
[54:04] Speaker 3: atrocities after the war in Dresden and the literal starvation
[54:10] Speaker 3: and murder of hundreds of thousands of German troops. But
[54:15] Speaker 3: it was an ends to a mean or means to
[54:18] Speaker 3: an ends. They wanted the global government to be, you know,
[54:21] Speaker 3: and we ended up with the League of Nations gone
[54:23] Speaker 3: in the United Nations established, and then you know, through
[54:26] Speaker 3: the fifties NATO. The first leaders of NATO were Nazis.
[54:30] Speaker 3: The secretary generals of NATO were Nazis. Same thing with
[54:34] Speaker 3: us as Secretary of Secretary of the United Nations was
[54:37] Speaker 3: a Nazi officer. Come on, y'all, this is.
[54:40] Speaker 1: Why I have to pay attention to my spidey senses
[54:42] Speaker 1: when I see all the global leaders jumping behind Trump
[54:46] Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Right.
[54:47] Speaker 3: Now, that is not right. Yeah, something was wrong, you know,
[54:51] Speaker 3: no matter how you look at it, something is wrong
[54:53] Speaker 3: with that picton. Now, all that being said, because Chris
[54:58] Speaker 3: only has a limited amount of and I want to
[55:00] Speaker 3: get to this part, folks, I don't invest energy in
[55:05] Speaker 3: any of this, right all right, I observe it. I
[55:08] Speaker 3: observe it from outside. I'm like a casual observer. Do
[55:11] Speaker 3: I like what's going on?
[55:12] Speaker 1: No?
[55:13] Speaker 3: Do I like what they're saying? No? Do I like
[55:16] Speaker 3: what I'm saying? Hell no, I'll go back to what
[55:19] Speaker 3: I said about the intermediate ballistic missile. No. But you
[55:25] Speaker 3: have to be aware of those things without investing energy
[55:28] Speaker 3: into it, you know, just be aware of it on
[55:29] Speaker 3: the periphery. I have released nine laugh podcasts in the
[55:36] Speaker 3: last few weeks. That's where my energy's going. I don't
[55:43] Speaker 3: have time to invest energy in all this hate and
[55:46] Speaker 3: division and baiting and counter intelligence and counter information. I
[55:52] Speaker 3: got no time for that. I want people to be
[55:56] Speaker 3: able to laugh. I've put out, like I said, I
[55:58] Speaker 3: put out eight or nine. I recorded you more for December.
[56:03] Speaker 3: Invest your energy at home. Invest your energy in yourself.
[56:08] Speaker 3: You know you got family. You got family at home.
[56:10] Speaker 3: Those are the people you need to worry about. You
[56:12] Speaker 3: don't need to worry about Trump and Biden all this
[56:14] Speaker 3: other shit, because the fact of the matter is if
[56:16] Speaker 3: they decide that they want to have an intercontinental nuclear war,
[56:20] Speaker 3: they're going to.
[56:21] Speaker 1: Yes.
[56:23] Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with what you can or
[56:25] Speaker 3: can't do about it. If they decide that they want
[56:27] Speaker 3: to drop nukes, they're going to Your job is to
[56:33] Speaker 3: have yourself prepared, have your family prepared to whatever preparations.
[56:37] Speaker 3: But spend time with your kids, have a nice dinner,
[56:42] Speaker 3: Listen to some good and music. Listen to some comedy.
[56:45] Speaker 3: You know, I don't make any money off my comedy podcast,
[56:49] Speaker 3: by way, y'all, and minor from PG. Thirteen all the
[56:53] Speaker 3: way up to holy crap, you actually said that adult
[56:56] Speaker 3: adult comedy Okay, and you can't miss him because one's
[57:01] Speaker 3: called just plain honorey, and I spelled it wrong on purpose,
[57:03] Speaker 3: you all, so I could copyright it. By the way,
[57:06] Speaker 3: that's the only way I could copyright it is if
[57:08] Speaker 3: I spelled honre wrong. But it's copyrighted and protected. You know,
[57:13] Speaker 3: I got the right to protect my stuff. And then
[57:16] Speaker 3: I've got the stunt kids and all the other crap
[57:18] Speaker 3: that I say crap, I got all the other stuff
[57:20] Speaker 3: that is, like PG. Thirteen. I do this on purpose
[57:24] Speaker 3: because Chris and I spend so much time on the deep, tough,
[57:28] Speaker 3: rough oh my God's subjects that you would have a
[57:31] Speaker 3: mental breakdown if that's all you did.
[57:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the perfect way to end it, because
[57:36] Speaker 1: this is the way I really enjoy ending most of
[57:38] Speaker 1: my shows is offering solutions. And the biggest solution is
[57:43] Speaker 1: the one thing that most people aren't discussing, and that's
[57:46] Speaker 1: taking care of yourself, taking care of your family, getting
[57:49] Speaker 1: your own house in order. And like you said, the
[57:53] Speaker 1: energy we put out there is going to affect our reality.
[57:57] Speaker 1: Our perception is going to have a huge effect on
[58:00] Speaker 1: our reality. And I believe that our energy, our imagination,
[58:04] Speaker 1: and our perception is a fuel that forms our reality.
[58:09] Speaker 3: In a sense, well, it creates an aggrigor. Okay, Literally,
[58:16] Speaker 3: if you keep investing energy into this conflict and this
[58:19] Speaker 3: hate and this division, you are literally creating an aggregor.
[58:24] Speaker 3: It is creating a life of its own from your energy.
[58:28] Speaker 3: Why would you want to give it that? You know?
[58:30] Speaker 3: I've got a nostalgia playlist on my YouTube channel and
[58:33] Speaker 3: it is all kinds of music from the nineteen fifties
[58:37] Speaker 3: big band Dean Martin all the way up through you know,
[58:40] Speaker 3: like Nickelback and ac DC and Motorhead. It's just like
[58:44] Speaker 3: a lifetime's worth of music for me. And the reason
[58:48] Speaker 3: why I created that playlist is because you can go
[58:51] Speaker 3: through that playlist, and if you have got any age
[58:53] Speaker 3: on you at all, or any roundness to your musical tastes,
[58:58] Speaker 3: you're gonna these these almays bring back good memories and bad.
[59:03] Speaker 3: You know, you and I had talked about residue and residuals.
[59:06] Speaker 3: We all have residue in our lives, and we have residuals.
[59:10] Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. If it's residue, that means it's thirty,
[59:12] Speaker 3: it's nasty. You got to clean it up and then
[59:15] Speaker 3: it becomes a residual that you can build off of positively.
[59:21] Speaker 3: But a lot of times that requires that you hate
[59:23] Speaker 3: acknowledge something right. You know, I talked to somebody who
[59:29] Speaker 3: had been molested as a kid, and it keeps blaming
[59:33] Speaker 3: all those all his problems are because of what happened
[59:36] Speaker 3: to him when and when he was you know, ten
[59:37] Speaker 3: eleven years old. I'm like, you can't do that. What
[59:41] Speaker 3: do you mean? I said, you could hate everybody in
[59:43] Speaker 3: the world for what happened to you at ten, or
[59:45] Speaker 3: you can say, I'm never gonna let this shit happen again,
[59:47] Speaker 3: and I'm going to affect somebody his life positively. And
[59:52] Speaker 3: we got to we have to be that place. It
[59:54] Speaker 3: doesn't matter what folks. I have seen things in my
[59:57] Speaker 3: lifetime that are horrifying. I mean I just went and
[1:00:01] Speaker 3: did search and rescue here in North Carolina that ended
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: up being a lot of search and recovery. I have
[1:00:14] Speaker 3: seen one of the planes of Chinese Hill recently that
[1:00:18] Speaker 3: could leave a residue on me, or I could use
[1:00:21] Speaker 3: it as a residual to do something positive, hence so
[1:00:25] Speaker 3: many comedy podcasts that I've done over the last few weeks.
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: You have to affect a positive outcome for your own life,
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: your own family, your own work situation, because if you
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: do that, if you invest your energy locally, then what
[1:00:42] Speaker 3: they're trying to do globally has to change.
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: Yes, everything that is unfolding.
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: I look back at how everything has rolled out until now,
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: and it does seem like there is this greater force,
[1:00:59] Speaker 1: maybe the collect active consciousness at play that is being
[1:01:03] Speaker 1: presented these polarities through these insane situations, and we are
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: deciding individually whether we want to align with darkness or
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: align with light. But that also creates this one hundredth
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: monkey effect that others will be forced to make this
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: choice as well. And it seems like the more insane,
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: the world gets the choices become clearer. Okay, we obviously
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: don't want to go this way because this is clown
[1:01:30] Speaker 1: town to the nth degree.
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: So we're going to back.
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: It up and we're going to align more towards this
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: and this seems to be happening based on the level
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: of insanity we're presented lately.
[1:01:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, you got a choice. You can
[1:01:46] Speaker 3: be a nihilist or a humanist. I mean, that's that's
[1:01:49] Speaker 3: the choices that we're being given now. If you want
[1:01:51] Speaker 3: to be a nihilist, it doesn't matter which side of
[1:01:53] Speaker 3: the fence you vote on. Look at their policies. It's nihilism, yeah,
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: I mean, flat out it's pure nihilism. It's it's you know,
[1:02:03] Speaker 3: Malthusian anti humanism if you really want to get into it.
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: But it's nihilism at its core. So you can either
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: be a nihilist, which eventually results in your own annihilation,
[1:02:13] Speaker 3: by the way, or you can be a humanist. A
[1:02:17] Speaker 3: humanist is trying to do what's best for humanity overall. Well,
[1:02:23] Speaker 3: back to what I said, it starts at home, it
[1:02:25] Speaker 3: starts with you. You know, there's a song that I really like.
[1:02:29] Speaker 3: It says everybody wants salvation, but nobody wants to be safe. Yeah,
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: well they don't want to do the work. They don't
[1:02:37] Speaker 3: want to do the work.
[1:02:37] Speaker 1: And I know I said earlier that I see a
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: lot of people who are refusing to become aware and
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: complacent with everything. But I do also see a lot
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: of people that are doing the work, that are growing
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: in their awareness and participating in things that align with
[1:02:54] Speaker 1: humanity and not the matrix. So I do see a
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: lot of good unfolding. And Raven, thank you, thank you
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: so much. Again, this was fantastic.
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: Before we close out, I love our coll rat dude.
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: This is always great, always weird and wonderful. So before
[1:03:10] Speaker 1: you go, remind the audience how they can find all
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: your content.
[1:03:16] Speaker 3: All right, folks, there's three ways to find me because
[1:03:18] Speaker 3: it's the three main podcast. Just type in Raven Keefer
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: in any of your podcasts. I'm on Podbeam, podcast Attic,
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: I got three I Heart channels. Now I don't know
[1:03:27] Speaker 3: how anyway, so just type in Raven Keefer and you'll
[1:03:31] Speaker 3: find me. I've got the laugh podcasts, I've got interviews,
[1:03:36] Speaker 3: and then I have no apologies. Enough said, which is
[1:03:39] Speaker 3: just me with my presentations if you type my name
[1:03:43] Speaker 3: into any of the podcasts repeater sites you like to
[1:03:45] Speaker 3: listen to, you should be able to find me. And
[1:03:48] Speaker 3: they're free. I haven't monetized anything ever. And in the comedy,
[1:03:53] Speaker 3: it's like over two hundred and forty hours of comedy.
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: And like I said from PG. Thirteen to Oh my God,
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: he actually said that, laugh a little, y'all, yes, laugh
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: a little.
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: We need it, definitely, I agree a thousand and.
[1:04:06] Speaker 3: If not me, If not me, try you know, Jeff Dunham,
[1:04:11] Speaker 3: try you know whoever, whoever you like to laugh at,
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: because that's what we really need.
[1:04:17] Speaker 2: Hundred percent. Man, Raven, thank you so much.
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: Fantastic and we will definitely do it again as usual.
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: Today.
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Jonathan and Sean.
[1:04:28] Speaker 1: They are hosts of Meta Mysteries podcast, which is a
[1:04:32] Speaker 1: spiritual journey created by two open minded people searching for
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: the truth about our existence. Why are we here, where
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: did we come from? And most importantly, what are we
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: capable of? Jonathan Sean, welcome back.
[1:04:47] Speaker 4: How y'all doing awesome? Man, thank you so much for
[1:04:51] Speaker 4: having us back on. Dude, looking forward to this.
[1:04:53] Speaker 5: Oh yeah, man, it's gonna be fun.
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: Definitely looking forward to this. Thank you guys again for
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: coming back. Y'all take some wonderful deep dives into many
[1:05:02] Speaker 1: esoteric and metaphysical topics, and today you wanted to discuss
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: folk magic and spell work, and this is once again
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: a topic that we discuss often magical modalities occult practices,
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: and whether you want to admit it or not, we
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: all interact with this etheric energy or intelligence at all
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: times in different ways, whether we realize it or not.
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: And I'm still of the current understanding that the intent
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: behind these practices is what makes the practice fundamentally harmful
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: or beneficial. So there's lots to get into here. I'm
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: really looking forward to what you guys have been looking at.
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: Before we do, just.
[1:05:45] Speaker 1: Reintroduce yourselves and tell us a little bit about Metamisteries.
[1:05:50] Speaker 4: All right, Well, I'm Jonathan. This is my co host
[1:05:54] Speaker 4: and cousin Sean, and we started Metamisteries about a little
[1:05:59] Speaker 4: over a year ago and we got into it with
[1:06:01] Speaker 4: the intention of, well, actually I believe we we initially
[1:06:05] Speaker 4: were wanting to build the podcast to make it a
[1:06:09] Speaker 4: like a conspiracy show, but we quickly found that that
[1:06:12] Speaker 4: wasn't our niche and so we decided to really dive
[1:06:16] Speaker 4: into something that we were both very interested in, and
[1:06:19] Speaker 4: that was just the various forms of magic and spirituality
[1:06:23] Speaker 4: and understanding the true nature of not only us, but
[1:06:26] Speaker 4: our mind and what it's all capable of. And we've
[1:06:29] Speaker 4: read many of different you know, occult and magic and spiritual,
[1:06:34] Speaker 4: different kinds of books. We read the Kabalian with the
[1:06:36] Speaker 4: Seven Harmatic Principles, and actually right now we are currently
[1:06:41] Speaker 4: reading this book that came out in the eighties, but
[1:06:44] Speaker 4: it's it's a it's a book that is very well
[1:06:47] Speaker 4: known within like the Wiccan communities and and witch communities
[1:06:51] Speaker 4: and whatnot. It's called The Truth about Witchcraft, which he
[1:06:55] Speaker 4: he likes to get into mainly folk magic, which is
[1:06:59] Speaker 4: essential actually Wicca.
[1:07:03] Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, And and like Jonathan said, you know, off
[1:07:05] Speaker 6: the bat, we were it was going to be a
[1:07:07] Speaker 6: conspiracy channel, but really quickly upon starting, we were like,
[1:07:11] Speaker 6: you know what, let's let's dabble in the light. You know,
[1:07:14] Speaker 6: there's a lot of bad shit going on in the world,
[1:07:15] Speaker 6: and we know that, but let's bring some light and
[1:07:18] Speaker 6: let's let's utilize our minds to to create the reality
[1:07:22] Speaker 6: that we would like to see.
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: Right on right on.
[1:07:25] Speaker 1: Well, tell us a little bit about your understanding of
[1:07:29] Speaker 1: folk magic that you've gained through your research. You said,
[1:07:32] Speaker 1: essentially it's a wick in practice, but again it seems
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: WICCA is a more recent spin off of some of
[1:07:43] Speaker 1: these older occult practices. But tell us a little bit
[1:07:46] Speaker 1: about what you learned about its history and what folk
[1:07:50] Speaker 1: magic is.
[1:07:51] Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what, dude. So I it was
[1:07:55] Speaker 4: a few years ago that I got into the understanding
[1:07:58] Speaker 4: and I went to this for quantum healing hypnosis therapy,
[1:08:04] Speaker 4: which is what Dolores Canon created, And in that I
[1:08:08] Speaker 4: found that most of the magic that is ever representative,
[1:08:12] Speaker 4: like in our lives, it's usually has to do with
[1:08:15] Speaker 4: the mind. And so that's why we're so fascinated with
[1:08:18] Speaker 4: everything within. You know, certain parts of spirituality and magic
[1:08:23] Speaker 4: and whatnot, but it's it's all of the understanding that
[1:08:28] Speaker 4: all is mind, like if if I mean the God
[1:08:32] Speaker 4: or the universe or the Source, so whatever you want
[1:08:34] Speaker 4: to call it, it is the mind essentially, and we
[1:08:38] Speaker 4: exist within that, we're not separate from that. And so
[1:08:41] Speaker 4: whenever you start to look into wika and and folk
[1:08:44] Speaker 4: magic and stuff like that, you start to find that,
[1:08:48] Speaker 4: like nature, is it is like divine creation, right like,
[1:08:54] Speaker 4: but that's not But we're not separate from that because
[1:08:57] Speaker 4: we were also created in that. And so there are certain
[1:09:00] Speaker 4: aspects to nature, whether it be plants or animals, or
[1:09:04] Speaker 4: you can look into astrology. All of these natural like
[1:09:08] Speaker 4: earthly and otherworldly I guess things. They all have certain
[1:09:13] Speaker 4: things about them, you know, certain qualities and traits that
[1:09:18] Speaker 4: you can call upon and use during during your your
[1:09:21] Speaker 4: spell work and magic, and they all represent something like
[1:09:26] Speaker 4: they're all essentially just symbols, and those symbols play into
[1:09:30] Speaker 4: your subconscious mind, your subconscious mind in a magic in
[1:09:34] Speaker 4: a magic work or spell work or anything like that.
[1:09:37] Speaker 4: Even in taro, your subconscious mind is connected to all
[1:09:41] Speaker 4: that really is, right Like, they say that we only
[1:09:44] Speaker 4: use about ten percent of our conscious mind, whereas ninety
[1:09:49] Speaker 4: percent of the time the subconscious is really in control.
[1:09:52] Speaker 4: So whenever people really start, you know, they look into
[1:09:56] Speaker 4: ritual or they look into spells or anything like that,
[1:09:59] Speaker 4: they say, oh, that that's the work of the evil side,
[1:10:02] Speaker 4: that's the work of the dark side. Well, I guess
[1:10:04] Speaker 4: you're working with it every day because everybody does it
[1:10:07] Speaker 4: on an every day basis. And something as simple as
[1:10:13] Speaker 4: waking up and going to going to the bathroom and
[1:10:15] Speaker 4: brushing your teeth and then putting your pants on and
[1:10:17] Speaker 4: then putting your shoes on and all that stuff. That's
[1:10:19] Speaker 4: a ritual, which is it's not necessarily like evil. It's
[1:10:23] Speaker 4: not that you're trying to perform magic. It's just a
[1:10:26] Speaker 4: subconscious behavior that you're subconscious is really the one doing
[1:10:29] Speaker 4: it for you. You don't need to think about these things.
[1:10:31] Speaker 4: And that's all this all this work is, is that
[1:10:35] Speaker 4: it's subconscious work. It's all happening within the mind, and
[1:10:39] Speaker 4: your mind is helping create that. You know that that
[1:10:42] Speaker 4: open door, so to say. So whenever you're performing a
[1:10:45] Speaker 4: spell and you're lighting candles or you're you're positioning crystals
[1:10:50] Speaker 4: or you're getting just the right tarot card or whatever
[1:10:53] Speaker 4: the spell work calls for, it's they're just symbols for
[1:10:57] Speaker 4: your mind to accept whatever it is that you're trying
[1:11:00] Speaker 4: to enchant or make possible.
[1:11:02] Speaker 6: Right, yeah, dude, And you know, like you said before,
[1:11:06] Speaker 6: your subconscious understands the symbols as if it's like another language.
[1:11:10] Speaker 6: And most people would go and get hypnotized or regressed
[1:11:13] Speaker 6: to access the subconscious and what we're trying to do
[1:11:16] Speaker 6: here is we're trying to mend them together and work cohesively,
[1:11:21] Speaker 6: you know, and be aware of what it is that
[1:11:23] Speaker 6: you are I guess you could say programming into your
[1:11:26] Speaker 6: mind in order for it to work.
[1:11:27] Speaker 5: Better for you.
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: It's as if you are denying a huge part of
[1:11:33] Speaker 1: this human experience if you don't acknowledge that we interact
[1:11:38] Speaker 1: with this on a daily basis, and in a sense,
[1:11:41] Speaker 1: we should redefine what this really is because it is
[1:11:45] Speaker 1: so much a part of this human experience. It's so
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: much a part of what makes this our reality that
[1:11:53] Speaker 1: it should be an integral part of what we are
[1:11:58] Speaker 1: learning as far as our basic life skills. I think
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: that the practice of magic should be a part of
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: what we're taught from as soon as we can start
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: taking in information.
[1:12:13] Speaker 2: And I believe that.
[1:12:14] Speaker 1: Our ancient ancestors definitely we're utilizing this and teaching their
[1:12:19] Speaker 1: offspring from a very young age how to interact with
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: energy and how to do spellwork in magic essentially, but
[1:12:28] Speaker 1: they probably just understood it as a part of reality.
[1:12:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, I absolutely agree with that, and that's really what
[1:12:36] Speaker 4: this book that we're that we've been reading lately. It's
[1:12:38] Speaker 4: called The Truth about Witchcraft by Scott Cunningham's It is
[1:12:42] Speaker 4: a fascinating book because it gets into just the simplicity
[1:12:47] Speaker 4: of everything like it it's not hard to believe these things.
[1:12:51] Speaker 4: And what he likes to do is he likes to
[1:12:52] Speaker 4: go back and talk about, well, the original people, whoever
[1:12:56] Speaker 4: the first people were, call them the caveman or whatever
[1:12:59] Speaker 4: you want to call them. We don't know. I can't
[1:13:00] Speaker 4: trust history as far as I can. I don't even
[1:13:03] Speaker 4: trust the history in our current day. How am I
[1:13:05] Speaker 4: supposed to trust the history of five ten thousand years ago? Right,
[1:13:10] Speaker 4: So whenever we look back and we think about it,
[1:13:13] Speaker 4: like if you just try and you know, meditate on it,
[1:13:15] Speaker 4: you can put your your own logical spin to it.
[1:13:17] Speaker 4: But you can imagine that like all right, the beginning
[1:13:21] Speaker 4: times you had to do you did things that you
[1:13:23] Speaker 4: thought worked, right, like that's just and and it could
[1:13:27] Speaker 4: be knocking on wood to release like the the good
[1:13:32] Speaker 4: Luck fairies or whatever, or maybe you know, you you
[1:13:35] Speaker 4: avoid stepping on a crack because you don't want to
[1:13:37] Speaker 4: break your mama's back, like these mama back. Dude, there's
[1:13:40] Speaker 4: all of these like old sayings. But for the longest time,
[1:13:43] Speaker 4: people believe them. Now, that's step on a crack break,
[1:13:45] Speaker 4: break your mama's back. That's probably just a joke one.
[1:13:47] Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody else, but it just gets
[1:13:49] Speaker 4: into the nature of how our minds work. And so
[1:13:52] Speaker 4: you'll see a lot of times like my dad, dude
[1:13:55] Speaker 4: loves going with casino, can't stay off them slot machines.
[1:13:58] Speaker 4: He's addicted to that. He doesn't want anybody sitting by him.
[1:14:02] Speaker 4: He believes that if somebody sits next to him whenever
[1:14:04] Speaker 4: he's at a casino or at a at a you know,
[1:14:07] Speaker 4: a slot machine or something like that, he believes it's
[1:14:09] Speaker 4: he's not gonna win, Like there's no way. And and
[1:14:12] Speaker 4: so I like to view him from afar just to
[1:14:14] Speaker 4: see what his little things are. Watch behavior. Now, this
[1:14:19] Speaker 4: guy allegedly a Christian. All right, that's that's fine, there's
[1:14:22] Speaker 4: nothing wrong with that. But why is it that you
[1:14:25] Speaker 4: got to snap your finger so many times, you gotta
[1:14:27] Speaker 4: blink so many times, you gotta scratch your nose, and
[1:14:29] Speaker 4: then you got to pat yourself on the lap a
[1:14:31] Speaker 4: certain number of times every time before you pull that
[1:14:34] Speaker 4: lever on the slot machine. What is that now? That
[1:14:38] Speaker 4: has probably worked so many times and so in his
[1:14:41] Speaker 4: mind he's accepted that the reality is is that if
[1:14:45] Speaker 4: he wins, he has to do all these things. Now
[1:14:48] Speaker 4: it may seem silly. It seems silly to me whenever
[1:14:50] Speaker 4: I watch it, I'm like this fucking guy, right, Like,
[1:14:53] Speaker 4: there are certain things that we choose to accept, and
[1:14:58] Speaker 4: it is the subconscious connection to whatever the Holy of
[1:15:04] Speaker 4: Holies is, the universe, God, Heaven, whatever it is that
[1:15:07] Speaker 4: we do that we believe that all these different things work.
[1:15:10] Speaker 4: So it's it goes back very far. But whenever you
[1:15:13] Speaker 4: think about, like, you know, taking it back to a
[1:15:16] Speaker 4: far point like the caveman, you know, or wherever, like,
[1:15:20] Speaker 4: they probably created a language and this is what this
[1:15:23] Speaker 4: guy mentions in this book. They probably created a language
[1:15:27] Speaker 4: for the use of spell work, if you really think
[1:15:30] Speaker 4: about it, because before that, they're probably just grunting and
[1:15:33] Speaker 4: it's like, oh, you know how many different spins and
[1:15:35] Speaker 4: you put on it. Oh you know what I mean?
[1:15:37] Speaker 4: So you make these certain these certain words, and we
[1:15:40] Speaker 4: see it all throughout our language and probably other languages too,
[1:15:44] Speaker 4: that it's all spells. Like you literally have to spell
[1:15:47] Speaker 4: it in order to write it down, you know, it's
[1:15:49] Speaker 4: all They're.
[1:15:50] Speaker 6: So powerful man, you know, somebody that you that you
[1:15:52] Speaker 6: love and care about tells you something kind of negative.
[1:15:54] Speaker 6: It affects your entire body, like almost instantly, at the.
[1:15:57] Speaker 5: Speed of light.
[1:15:58] Speaker 6: You you feel a sense of despair or whatever it is.
[1:16:02] Speaker 6: Like words are so powerful.
[1:16:05] Speaker 1: Now, I know there's many different types of modalities that
[1:16:09] Speaker 1: we can look at when we just use a blanket
[1:16:13] Speaker 1: term like magic. But let's break it down a little
[1:16:17] Speaker 1: bit in a sense of what we are relying on,
[1:16:23] Speaker 1: what we are using as tools for our magical practices.
[1:16:29] Speaker 1: Some believe that calling upon different intelligences or entities can
[1:16:35] Speaker 1: have dark repercussions that you may not know exactly what
[1:16:38] Speaker 1: you're working for or with, and it may be using
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: you for something. And then there's the school of thought
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: that we should just be relying on our own inner
[1:16:50] Speaker 1: power and not calling out to some powerful entity that
[1:16:57] Speaker 1: may be able to assist in gaining whatever desired outcome
[1:17:02] Speaker 1: we have.
[1:17:03] Speaker 2: What do you guys think about that?
[1:17:05] Speaker 4: I personally believe that, all right, So there's this idea
[1:17:10] Speaker 4: to where you can have what is called a faith
[1:17:13] Speaker 4: in nothing, which doesn't necessarily mean nothing, it actually kind
[1:17:17] Speaker 4: of means anything. So there's a little story that I
[1:17:21] Speaker 4: always like to say, whenever I mentioned this, And there
[1:17:24] Speaker 4: was this guy who created this, uh, he was creating
[1:17:26] Speaker 4: like this little statue. It was supposed to be like
[1:17:29] Speaker 4: a hood ornament for his for his car. And he said, look,
[1:17:33] Speaker 4: he was trying to enchant it. He said that this
[1:17:36] Speaker 4: hood ornament was going to protect him every single time
[1:17:39] Speaker 4: that he drove. And he knew that if, like if
[1:17:42] Speaker 4: he instilled that that wisdom and that trust and in
[1:17:45] Speaker 4: all of the knowing his oh mind hit the knowing
[1:17:49] Speaker 4: that it would protect him. Now, that seems kind of
[1:17:52] Speaker 4: silly to the logical mind. The logical mind says, that's
[1:17:56] Speaker 4: not gonna work, right, because what are you gonna do.
[1:17:58] Speaker 4: I mean, you may as well just put some bullbars
[1:18:00] Speaker 4: on the front of your truck at that point. But
[1:18:03] Speaker 4: this guy put all of his faith into this one
[1:18:06] Speaker 4: hood ornament that he handcrafted himself, and he put it
[1:18:09] Speaker 4: on the hood of his car. And one day he
[1:18:12] Speaker 4: was driving and some drunk driver or something like that
[1:18:16] Speaker 4: swerved him off the side of the road and he
[1:18:18] Speaker 4: crashed into a like a telephone pole or a light
[1:18:21] Speaker 4: post or something like that. Right well, as soon as
[1:18:24] Speaker 4: he crashed into that, that light post came crashing down
[1:18:28] Speaker 4: onto his car. Now, you might say that seems very unlucky.
[1:18:31] Speaker 4: I thought the hood ornament was there to protect him, right. However,
[1:18:35] Speaker 4: what happened was is that the whole ornament was so
[1:18:38] Speaker 4: big it was like a foot tall or something like that.
[1:18:41] Speaker 4: The hood ornament was there to protect him, right, And
[1:18:45] Speaker 4: so whenever this light post came down and fell on
[1:18:47] Speaker 4: top of his car, if it would have came down,
[1:18:50] Speaker 4: if that light post would have came down like another
[1:18:52] Speaker 4: couple more inches, it would have gave him a little
[1:18:54] Speaker 4: boop on the head. Right, Because that hoole ornament was there,
[1:19:00] Speaker 4: it protected him because it didn't allow that light post
[1:19:03] Speaker 4: to go all the way down to crush him. Now,
[1:19:06] Speaker 4: is it a coincidence that that worked?
[1:19:08] Speaker 3: Well?
[1:19:08] Speaker 4: I would say that every single magical thing that you
[1:19:11] Speaker 4: do will always seem like a coincidence. I guarantee it.
[1:19:15] Speaker 4: And as a matter of fact, we're going to be
[1:19:16] Speaker 4: getting into some money spells and love spells that we
[1:19:21] Speaker 4: have used on our show, and a specific money spell
[1:19:25] Speaker 4: that we can verifiably I don't know. I don't want
[1:19:30] Speaker 4: to say prove, but I can I can tell you
[1:19:32] Speaker 4: you can choose to trust me that that like we
[1:19:35] Speaker 4: did a money spell, and I kid you not, the
[1:19:39] Speaker 4: next two days after that, where the each each day
[1:19:43] Speaker 4: were the most amount of money that I've made in
[1:19:45] Speaker 4: consecutive days in my life. Now, you can call that coincidence.
[1:19:50] Speaker 4: You can just say, oh, it's it's just that time
[1:19:52] Speaker 4: of year. But is it really the case. Is it
[1:19:55] Speaker 4: really just a coincidence that that we do a money
[1:19:58] Speaker 4: spell in the next two days are like some of
[1:20:01] Speaker 4: the best money money days that we've ever had. Oh yeah,
[1:20:04] Speaker 4: they're going to get into that spell and it's a
[1:20:06] Speaker 4: very simple one. It's it's not difficulty. Anybody can do
[1:20:09] Speaker 4: it at home and it's awesome.
[1:20:11] Speaker 3: Yep.
[1:20:12] Speaker 2: Right on. Anything to add to that.
[1:20:15] Speaker 6: Oh, I was just gonna say, you know, there's there's
[1:20:17] Speaker 6: a lot of things that happened in our reality, you know,
[1:20:19] Speaker 6: and you can call them coincidences or or you know,
[1:20:22] Speaker 6: there's subtle energies that are flown around, and but I
[1:20:25] Speaker 6: just understand that they're given that there are things like
[1:20:28] Speaker 6: that that that happened that we don't fully understand. It's
[1:20:31] Speaker 6: still happening even if we don't understand it, that the
[1:20:34] Speaker 6: power and whatever that is is present, and so we're
[1:20:38] Speaker 6: just trying to utilize everything we can.
[1:20:40] Speaker 1: Right on, let's get into your understanding of how spells work.
[1:20:44] Speaker 1: This is something I've never dabbled in, basically because I
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: don't know enough and I've heard in some cases these
[1:20:52] Speaker 1: things can backfire depending on your intent behind it and
[1:20:56] Speaker 1: what you're working with. So I'm very interested in hearing
[1:20:59] Speaker 1: about what you guys are working with.
[1:21:03] Speaker 4: So well. For example, we like I was saying, we
[1:21:07] Speaker 4: got into the money spell, and I know that some
[1:21:10] Speaker 4: people will look at that as well. There's there's a
[1:21:13] Speaker 4: there's a light and a darkness to every single thing,
[1:21:17] Speaker 4: and that's true because that's what we are. We are
[1:21:20] Speaker 4: light and darkness. And it's up to you what what
[1:21:24] Speaker 4: side you are are choosing to really pull from. Like
[1:21:28] Speaker 4: you know, there's always that yin and yang, right, and
[1:21:31] Speaker 4: like for for every angel, there's a demon, right. But
[1:21:37] Speaker 4: like through that you start to understand that your subconscious
[1:21:40] Speaker 4: mind works on symbols and in symbols. This is how
[1:21:45] Speaker 4: like you kind of just gotta turn off that logical
[1:21:48] Speaker 4: mind whenever you're working a magic spell. And I know
[1:21:51] Speaker 4: that there are a lot of people who who maybe
[1:21:56] Speaker 4: were raised in a certain religious household, and so you
[1:21:59] Speaker 4: would look at spell work and you know, rituals and
[1:22:05] Speaker 4: all the things like that. Sorry, my throat has really
[1:22:10] Speaker 4: just taken a hit right now. But about this, yeah, yeah,
[1:22:16] Speaker 4: well you would look at all of this as if, well,
[1:22:19] Speaker 4: it is working with the devil, it's working with demons,
[1:22:22] Speaker 4: you're working with powers that you don't know anything about. Well,
[1:22:26] Speaker 4: that's because most of the religious dogma says that, so
[1:22:30] Speaker 4: you know, and and it's nothing against religion. I mean, hey, dude,
[1:22:34] Speaker 4: if it works for you, then it works. And we
[1:22:36] Speaker 4: actually believe that whatever you believe in, as long as
[1:22:40] Speaker 4: you believe in it fully will work. And this has
[1:22:43] Speaker 4: been proven time and time and time again throughout all
[1:22:47] Speaker 4: the major religions. There's reasons why there are thousands of
[1:22:49] Speaker 4: different religions that, like millions, billions of people believe in
[1:22:54] Speaker 4: something that we cannot see, right, Like, it's always around us.
[1:22:58] Speaker 6: But it's a matter of belief, the belief that you're
[1:23:00] Speaker 6: putting into it, it's what gives it the power. You
[1:23:02] Speaker 6: were putting that power into it.
[1:23:05] Speaker 4: But it is the dogma that holds people back from
[1:23:07] Speaker 4: experiencing and exploring certain things that may be outside of
[1:23:11] Speaker 4: that realm. And it's unfortunate, but Fortunately for Seann and I,
[1:23:15] Speaker 4: we weren't raised in one of those households. Now, we
[1:23:18] Speaker 4: weren't raised in any specific kind of spiritual or religious
[1:23:23] Speaker 4: household whatsoever. So our subconscious mind, the deep thoughts that
[1:23:27] Speaker 4: are you know, buried within the depths of our childhood
[1:23:30] Speaker 4: and whatnot, are not to say that like, hey, well
[1:23:33] Speaker 4: you got to watch out for spell work, you know,
[1:23:35] Speaker 4: that's pulling from the magic of the devil or something
[1:23:37] Speaker 4: like that. So I think that if you do have
[1:23:40] Speaker 4: those reservations, then maybe meditate on it a little bit
[1:23:43] Speaker 4: and find out why you believe that so inherently to
[1:23:47] Speaker 4: your core. Is it because that it was, you know,
[1:23:50] Speaker 4: kind of like pounded into you.
[1:23:53] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, dogma has been weaponized to a point where
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: it prevents us as a human race from evolving our consciousness,
[1:24:04] Speaker 1: from reaching new understandings, from tapping into our inner magic essentially,
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: And I believe that was also all by design to
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: keep us afraid of the invisible boogeymen that surround us
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: at all times aka demons. Well, what if it's just
[1:24:20] Speaker 1: something we have very limited understanding of and can work
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: for multiple different intentions and purposes.
[1:24:29] Speaker 5: And that's by design?
[1:24:30] Speaker 6: Yeah, And I don't know how how different religious groups
[1:24:33] Speaker 6: feel about meditation, but with our meditations, we do with
[1:24:36] Speaker 6: meditation in every episode, and there's a particular place that
[1:24:40] Speaker 6: you can get to when you're meditating, and it's it's
[1:24:43] Speaker 6: when you can totally clear your mind. And I'm not
[1:24:46] Speaker 6: saying you're not going to have any thoughts, but it
[1:24:48] Speaker 6: definitely will give you a more of a I don't know,
[1:24:51] Speaker 6: maybe a sharper focal point of of what's really going
[1:24:54] Speaker 6: on inside your mind, you know, And I think that's
[1:24:56] Speaker 6: really important, as as chaotic as our minds or brains
[1:24:59] Speaker 6: can be.
[1:25:01] Speaker 2: Right, Jonathan, I know we kind of cut you off.
[1:25:04] Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
[1:25:05] Speaker 4: No, No, I just I agree with that that I
[1:25:08] Speaker 4: think that meditation is extremely vital whenever it comes to
[1:25:13] Speaker 4: magic and spell work and really any anything involving or
[1:25:18] Speaker 4: having to do with the intuition and the subconscious. That's
[1:25:21] Speaker 4: the only way, in my opinion, that we can strictly
[1:25:25] Speaker 4: solely have a conversation with it. And maybe you're not
[1:25:28] Speaker 4: even having a conversation with it. Maybe you're just sitting
[1:25:30] Speaker 4: with it. You're getting familiar with it, you're understanding the
[1:25:33] Speaker 4: deeper depths of your own subconscious mind, which is a
[1:25:36] Speaker 4: very personal thing, and most people they don't want to
[1:25:39] Speaker 4: put up with that because most people they'll have something
[1:25:43] Speaker 4: in the closet that they want to forget, or maybe
[1:25:45] Speaker 4: you've had a very terrible experience whenever you were younger,
[1:25:48] Speaker 4: or something like that. And I'm not saying that it's
[1:25:50] Speaker 4: right or wrong to push those away. I'm just saying that, like,
[1:25:54] Speaker 4: I think that it's extremely important to do what you know,
[1:25:58] Speaker 4: some people call your shadow work. Yeah, right, if you
[1:26:01] Speaker 4: if you're not you know, having those conversations with yourselves,
[1:26:05] Speaker 4: then you're constantly going to be triggered by things that
[1:26:09] Speaker 4: you know that are are are like really buried deep
[1:26:11] Speaker 4: within you. And you don't want to have to deal
[1:26:13] Speaker 4: with that because ultimately, whenever you go into your subconscious
[1:26:17] Speaker 4: mind and you kind of just uncover all the things
[1:26:21] Speaker 4: that are hidden up or hidden rather, then there's not
[1:26:25] Speaker 4: going to be anything preventing you from doing this spell
[1:26:29] Speaker 4: work correctly. And so that's something that we found out
[1:26:33] Speaker 4: a lot here lately. And as I was saying, like,
[1:26:35] Speaker 4: whenever it comes to the subconscious mind, the subconscious is
[1:26:38] Speaker 4: very dude, it's a powerful thing. Okay, And we know
[1:26:43] Speaker 4: this because there was actually and I can't remember if
[1:26:46] Speaker 4: I said this on the last episode or not, but
[1:26:50] Speaker 4: there was. Uh So, a lot of people they'll they'll say,
[1:26:53] Speaker 4: you know, they'll be hesitant about hypnosis, or they'll say, well,
[1:26:58] Speaker 4: I think that that's evil or or that's something that
[1:27:01] Speaker 4: we shouldn't be tapping into. You shouldn't be messing with that.
[1:27:03] Speaker 4: You know, you shouldn't go to the tower readers and
[1:27:05] Speaker 4: the soothsayers and all that stuff, and heaven forbid that
[1:27:07] Speaker 4: you actually go into your subconscious mind. But whenever you
[1:27:10] Speaker 4: actually do, whenever you are hypnotized, there is something magical
[1:27:16] Speaker 4: that happens because now you're getting into that childlike nature
[1:27:20] Speaker 4: of your own mind. So like in one thing that
[1:27:22] Speaker 4: they discovered is they put a bunch of nodes, like
[1:27:25] Speaker 4: these electual electrical nodes on top of somebody's head. This
[1:27:29] Speaker 4: was I don't know, twenty or thirty years ago, and
[1:27:31] Speaker 4: they were trying to see how fast can a person
[1:27:36] Speaker 4: basically fall into like a light trance whenever they're watching TV, Like,
[1:27:40] Speaker 4: how fast does that happen? Now, a light trance? You
[1:27:44] Speaker 4: could say, that's hypnotic, And as a matter of fact,
[1:27:46] Speaker 4: that's exactly what it is. So if if you're falling
[1:27:49] Speaker 4: into a light trance, Well that means that you're more suggestible,
[1:27:53] Speaker 4: and maybe it's that's kind of you know, one side
[1:27:57] Speaker 4: of it. But the other side of it is that like,
[1:27:59] Speaker 4: all right, one and now you're falling into that piece
[1:28:01] Speaker 4: of your mind that is not exactly logical. So anyway,
[1:28:05] Speaker 4: they were trying to figure out how long does it
[1:28:07] Speaker 4: take for somebody to fall into the alpha state of mind,
[1:28:11] Speaker 4: which is a light trance. And so they put all
[1:28:14] Speaker 4: these nodes on top of these people's heads and it
[1:28:16] Speaker 4: was like a room of one hundred people, and they
[1:28:17] Speaker 4: sat them all on a couch and they turned a
[1:28:19] Speaker 4: TV on and they started monitoring the monitors and watching
[1:28:23] Speaker 4: the waves to see how fast somebody could fall into
[1:28:26] Speaker 4: this trance. And there wasn't a single person that could
[1:28:29] Speaker 4: last longer than sixty seconds before they fell into a
[1:28:33] Speaker 4: light trance. Okay, So it just goes to show that
[1:28:38] Speaker 4: you're either kind of aware of it or you're not.
[1:28:41] Speaker 4: You can work with it or you can choose not to.
[1:28:44] Speaker 4: And if you choose to work with it, you can
[1:28:46] Speaker 4: choose to have it work in your favor. Because we
[1:28:49] Speaker 4: see what happens whenever those who are unaware that all
[1:28:52] Speaker 4: this stuff is really going on. They start becoming parents
[1:28:55] Speaker 4: of everything that they hear on TV. They start becoming
[1:28:59] Speaker 4: extremely men manipulated. They're start having the same thoughts as
[1:29:02] Speaker 4: Don Lemon on CNN. How is that possible. Well, it's
[1:29:05] Speaker 4: because they're being suggested. And that's all these things that
[1:29:09] Speaker 4: we're talking about. Whenever it goes into spell work, these
[1:29:12] Speaker 4: are mere suggestions for your subconscious mind, and that's why
[1:29:15] Speaker 4: they work. It's it's like, at the very core level,
[1:29:18] Speaker 4: it's some of the most simplest understandings if you can
[1:29:21] Speaker 4: just put yourself in that kind of headspace.
[1:29:24] Speaker 6: Yes, dude, And and like you said, you know we
[1:29:27] Speaker 6: are we are being manipulated. It's a it's a psychological
[1:29:29] Speaker 6: warfare I think out here in this world. And and
[1:29:31] Speaker 6: if and if you're aware of that, and you take
[1:29:33] Speaker 6: your own symbols that you created, that you put meaning into,
[1:29:37] Speaker 6: and put that into your own mind willingly for for
[1:29:40] Speaker 6: something beneficial to happen to you, or for abundance or
[1:29:43] Speaker 6: for whatever it is, Like, I feel like that is
[1:29:46] Speaker 6: our our shall I say, God given gift to be
[1:29:50] Speaker 6: able to do that.
[1:29:51] Speaker 1: Right on now, Jonathan, you were saying you actually practiced
[1:29:55] Speaker 1: some of these spells, right, yep, yep, it did tell
[1:29:59] Speaker 1: us about that.
[1:30:01] Speaker 4: Well, I would say, I believe the uh the one
[1:30:04] Speaker 4: of the all right, so I'll get into the uh
[1:30:06] Speaker 4: the love spell work here. Now, there are plenty. I
[1:30:10] Speaker 4: know that some people will say, well, the only love
[1:30:12] Speaker 4: spells there are is you know those thirsty people that
[1:30:15] Speaker 4: just they're trying to get somebody that they know that
[1:30:18] Speaker 4: they can't get in real life, so they then they
[1:30:20] Speaker 4: have to use a spell work. And that's not necessarily
[1:30:22] Speaker 4: the case. All the time. There are those thirsty people.
[1:30:25] Speaker 4: I'm not saying that there isn't. I mean, for for
[1:30:28] Speaker 4: every good thing, there's a shithead all the time. But
[1:30:32] Speaker 4: you can also do a love spell to enhance your relationship.
[1:30:36] Speaker 4: You can do a love spell to maybe send like
[1:30:39] Speaker 4: some kind of like I know it's gonna sound kind
[1:30:42] Speaker 4: of weird, but like some some kind of like subconscious flowers,
[1:30:46] Speaker 4: if you will, and uh, and it's and it's really
[1:30:48] Speaker 4: cool whenever you start really looking into it. And and
[1:30:52] Speaker 4: to be honest, it it does kind of seem like
[1:30:54] Speaker 4: you're pretending the entire time. I'm not gonna lie to you,
[1:30:57] Speaker 4: but you have to get into that state of mind. Remember,
[1:31:00] Speaker 4: it's the it's the mind of a child that you know,
[1:31:03] Speaker 4: Like it even says within the Bible like you're not
[1:31:08] Speaker 4: gonna be able to get into the Kingdom of Heaven
[1:31:09] Speaker 4: without unless you have the mind of a child or
[1:31:11] Speaker 4: something like that, right.
[1:31:12] Speaker 6: And the magic that can happen when you're having uh,
[1:31:15] Speaker 6: when you're having fun, you know.
[1:31:17] Speaker 4: Right, right. So one of the one of the love
[1:31:20] Speaker 4: spells that we found, and I'll actually give a couple
[1:31:23] Speaker 4: of them here. Some are more on the lighter side
[1:31:29] Speaker 4: of magic, and one that is kind of on the
[1:31:32] Speaker 4: dark side of magic. If you believe that there's light
[1:31:35] Speaker 4: and darkness. I mean, some people say that the universe
[1:31:38] Speaker 4: doesn't really give a shit what you think it is.
[1:31:40] Speaker 4: It's up to it's up to the interpreter. I kind
[1:31:44] Speaker 4: of agree, I kind of agree. But we don't believe
[1:31:48] Speaker 4: in playing around in in in dark magic, although I
[1:31:51] Speaker 4: kind of did a few years ago, just just out
[1:31:56] Speaker 4: of curiosity. And it also works.
[1:32:00] Speaker 6: And it's just a matter of whether or not you
[1:32:03] Speaker 6: believe that something bad's going to happen to you since
[1:32:05] Speaker 6: you were doing something kind of dark. It's one of
[1:32:07] Speaker 6: those you know, around comes around type of thing.
[1:32:09] Speaker 4: Right, I mean, I'm not talking about putting hecks or
[1:32:11] Speaker 4: cursing anybody. I would never do that. But all right,
[1:32:14] Speaker 4: so let's get into the lighter side. So there are
[1:32:16] Speaker 4: certain spells that you can do, and there are so many,
[1:32:20] Speaker 4: dude like and you can really spice it up to
[1:32:22] Speaker 4: make it your own. So you can look into these
[1:32:24] Speaker 4: older grimoires, or you can look into what some people
[1:32:27] Speaker 4: call the baby witches of today that are just starting
[1:32:30] Speaker 4: to have a decent understanding of witchcraft and nature and
[1:32:35] Speaker 4: wicca and magic and all that stuff. Well, the one
[1:32:38] Speaker 4: that we kind of messed with on the show, it's
[1:32:42] Speaker 4: a love spell. And what you would do is that
[1:32:44] Speaker 4: you would get a red, a pink, or a white candle. Now,
[1:32:49] Speaker 4: all of these things are great for love spells.
[1:32:53] Speaker 1: And now give us, give us an example of say
[1:32:56] Speaker 1: your intention with this love spell?
[1:32:59] Speaker 4: Well, I am a single man, so I'm trying to
[1:33:03] Speaker 4: draw that towards me, okay.
[1:33:05] Speaker 1: And no one's specific, right, Just who is right for you? Right,
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: It's up to whatever you can get, right. I mean,
[1:33:15] Speaker 1: most people would have somebody in mind. Okay, okay, okay,
[1:33:18] Speaker 1: because you're trying to you want to be pretty specific
[1:33:24] Speaker 1: whenever you're doing spell work or else you get into
[1:33:27] Speaker 1: kind of like be Dazzled with Brendan Frasier kind of suggests.
[1:33:31] Speaker 1: Some believe that's where the danger lies. If you are
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: doing spell work for a love spell and you have
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: a specific person in mind, and they're unaware that you
[1:33:42] Speaker 1: are doing this working, but they would have never in
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: a normal since returned this feeling or had any type
[1:33:54] Speaker 1: of romantic feelings towards the person doing the spell. But
[1:33:58] Speaker 1: because the spell worked, in a sense, it kind of
[1:34:03] Speaker 1: works against their free will and may be harmful in
[1:34:07] Speaker 1: a way. Just throwing it out there because I've heard
[1:34:10] Speaker 1: this before.
[1:34:10] Speaker 5: M hmm.
[1:34:11] Speaker 6: Yeah, and it is one of the more controversial type
[1:34:14] Speaker 6: of spells, I think. But kind of what I was
[1:34:16] Speaker 6: understanding was that, yeah, surely you can, you could do
[1:34:19] Speaker 6: this spell and and maybe you know, due to human
[1:34:22] Speaker 6: human error, you know, you pick the wrong person.
[1:34:25] Speaker 5: You know, we don't we don't know what we don't know.
[1:34:26] Speaker 5: We don't know exactly who that person is until you
[1:34:28] Speaker 5: get close enough, you know.
[1:34:30] Speaker 6: But what I was kind of figuring out, what we
[1:34:32] Speaker 6: were kind of coming to the understanding of, is is
[1:34:34] Speaker 6: that doing the spell and going back into the faith
[1:34:37] Speaker 6: in nothing, you know, you've done the spell, and so
[1:34:40] Speaker 6: that alone can give you maybe just a little bit
[1:34:43] Speaker 6: more confidence, maybe a little bit more I don't know,
[1:34:45] Speaker 6: maybe you stand a little taller, Maybe you're starting to
[1:34:48] Speaker 6: become a better person because you believe in the fact
[1:34:51] Speaker 6: that you're going to be able to attract said person.
[1:34:54] Speaker 6: And so I don't know necessarily, or we don't know
[1:34:57] Speaker 6: necessarily if it's it's really messing with somebody's free will.
[1:35:00] Speaker 6: I mean, I guess it's possible, but that's kind of
[1:35:03] Speaker 6: how we were looking at it right.
[1:35:04] Speaker 4: On right, And so if you really think about it,
[1:35:08] Speaker 4: they say that opposites attract. I'll put it to you
[1:35:12] Speaker 4: like this, that's not true. In magic, you are trying
[1:35:17] Speaker 4: to sync up to whatever that you're trying to attract
[1:35:22] Speaker 4: to you. You want to get into that vibration. So
[1:35:26] Speaker 4: the idea is is that you would light this. You
[1:35:28] Speaker 4: would light a red candle, right, you let it burn
[1:35:30] Speaker 4: for a little bit, and then you would take a
[1:35:32] Speaker 4: bay leaf or a piece of paper. Most people would
[1:35:35] Speaker 4: prefer a bay leaf strictly because it's more natural than
[1:35:38] Speaker 4: a piece of paper, right, And so you would take
[1:35:42] Speaker 4: a bay leaf and you would write that person's name
[1:35:44] Speaker 4: on there. Whoever it is. And and also you could
[1:35:49] Speaker 4: you could do several different things, but this is the
[1:35:52] Speaker 4: one that I found most interesting is that you can
[1:35:56] Speaker 4: write the person's name and their birthday on this bay leaf. Okay,
[1:36:00] Speaker 4: some people will say, well, you can put the person's
[1:36:03] Speaker 4: name and your name and then you know, put to
[1:36:05] Speaker 4: draw a circle around it. Whatever you think your subconscious
[1:36:08] Speaker 4: mind is going to accept, then you do that. That's
[1:36:11] Speaker 4: really what you should be doing. For me, I wanted
[1:36:15] Speaker 4: to put the person's name and their birthday on it.
[1:36:17] Speaker 4: And what you do is is what we like to do,
[1:36:23] Speaker 4: was turn on some meditation music and meditate before we
[1:36:27] Speaker 4: actually go through with the spell. And so while the
[1:36:31] Speaker 4: meditation music is playing, you have the candle flame burning.
[1:36:35] Speaker 4: And one thing that I found out that works really
[1:36:37] Speaker 4: well is instead of closing your eyes, you're staring into
[1:36:40] Speaker 4: the flame of the candle as you were getting into
[1:36:43] Speaker 4: this meditative state. So now you're mixing candle magic with
[1:36:47] Speaker 4: you know, kind of like this witchcraft stuff, which it
[1:36:50] Speaker 4: all kind of is encompassed. There's just these different branches
[1:36:52] Speaker 4: off of the same magical tree. And so the would
[1:36:57] Speaker 4: you would stare into the flame and what you're trying
[1:36:59] Speaker 4: to do while you're staring into the flame, is you're
[1:37:01] Speaker 4: trying to put yourself in the vibration of imagining exactly
[1:37:08] Speaker 4: how you're going to feel when y'all are together and happy.
[1:37:12] Speaker 4: So maybe you'd put yourself in a situation. Maybe you
[1:37:14] Speaker 4: guys are on vacation, right you're sitting out of the beach,
[1:37:17] Speaker 4: and you're imagining the conversations that you would have, Imagining
[1:37:20] Speaker 4: the love that would be filling your heart, Imagining holding
[1:37:23] Speaker 4: that person's hand and looking over at them and smiling
[1:37:26] Speaker 4: and being absolutely fulfilled. You're just trying to match that
[1:37:30] Speaker 4: very vibration and.
[1:37:33] Speaker 5: And feel that emotion.
[1:37:35] Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to feel it. Emotion is one of
[1:37:39] Speaker 4: the most important things here. That that you could say,
[1:37:43] Speaker 4: is kind of like your spiritual loosh, so to say.
[1:37:47] Speaker 4: And so, so you're you're imagining that, and once you
[1:37:50] Speaker 4: can hold that for just a few minutes, while you're
[1:37:53] Speaker 4: staring into that flame, I like to look into the
[1:37:56] Speaker 4: black of the flame, like right above the wick, right
[1:38:00] Speaker 4: below the orange of the flame. Stare into the blackness
[1:38:03] Speaker 4: of that. And that's what we learned whenever we read
[1:38:05] Speaker 4: this book called Candle Magic. So once you feel like
[1:38:09] Speaker 4: you've got that kind of cemented in your mind. Then
[1:38:13] Speaker 4: you you know, kind of you want to try and
[1:38:15] Speaker 4: stay into this meditative state, like kind of eyes glossed over.
[1:38:21] Speaker 4: You're still holding that vibration of that person. And what
[1:38:24] Speaker 4: you would do is you would take that bay leaf
[1:38:26] Speaker 4: and you would burn it over the flame. And by
[1:38:29] Speaker 4: the way, whenever you're writing the name and the birthdate
[1:38:32] Speaker 4: on the bay leaf, you want to do it in
[1:38:33] Speaker 4: red ink. They say that that also plays a little
[1:38:36] Speaker 4: something else to the subconscious mind. But you you burn
[1:38:40] Speaker 4: it over the flame. And one thing that we found
[1:38:43] Speaker 4: is that if you take like a you you would
[1:38:46] Speaker 4: have like a little cauldron or a little bowl or
[1:38:48] Speaker 4: something like that. And once you burn that that that
[1:38:53] Speaker 4: bay leaf over the flame, you'll then let the ashes
[1:38:56] Speaker 4: go down into this bowl. Right, And and there's many
[1:39:00] Speaker 4: different ways. I'm just kind of giving you a way,
[1:39:03] Speaker 4: but what you would do is you let the ashes
[1:39:05] Speaker 4: go into this bowl. And then this is where it
[1:39:08] Speaker 4: gets really strange. You would take like a cup of sugar, right,
[1:39:12] Speaker 4: and you would take a cup of sugar and you
[1:39:14] Speaker 4: would mix the sugar in with the ashes of this
[1:39:17] Speaker 4: bay leaf. And that's said to like sweeten it up.
[1:39:19] Speaker 4: And then after that you would take like a warm
[1:39:22] Speaker 4: like a cup of warm water, and that warm water
[1:39:26] Speaker 4: represents your emotions. And so now you're mixing the ashes
[1:39:30] Speaker 4: along with the sugar along with your emotions, right and
[1:39:35] Speaker 4: and and then what you would do is you would
[1:39:37] Speaker 4: take that bowl and you would put it at like
[1:39:40] Speaker 4: on a on a high shelf in your house for
[1:39:42] Speaker 4: the next three nights, and you leave it up there
[1:39:46] Speaker 4: and just see what happens. Now, the idea that what
[1:39:49] Speaker 4: what's going on is that you're you're messing with their
[1:39:51] Speaker 4: free will. Now I understand how some people would think that,
[1:39:55] Speaker 4: but you're kind of also messing with somebody's free will
[1:39:58] Speaker 4: if you just call them out of the blue, are
[1:39:59] Speaker 4: you not like you're you're kind of messing with their
[1:40:02] Speaker 4: free will if you if you stalk them like, it's
[1:40:05] Speaker 4: not flad, it's it's more so you're picture it like this.
[1:40:12] Speaker 4: You are kind of, uh, you're kind of like a
[1:40:17] Speaker 4: radio station and you're sending out a specific frequency. And
[1:40:22] Speaker 4: you know that whenever you do this spell, you're sending
[1:40:25] Speaker 4: out that frequency that is directed towards that person. Now,
[1:40:29] Speaker 4: it's up to them if they want to tune into that.
[1:40:32] Speaker 4: It's up to them if they want to be magnetized
[1:40:34] Speaker 4: by that, but you're all you're essentially doing is kind
[1:40:38] Speaker 4: of like dare I say, like spiritually suggesting something to them.
[1:40:43] Speaker 4: You're not You're not forcing them to do anything. It's
[1:40:47] Speaker 4: just a suggestion, albeit you know, kind of psychically, but
[1:40:52] Speaker 4: you're not forcing them. So it's not really like the
[1:40:55] Speaker 4: movies where you do a love spell and all of
[1:40:57] Speaker 4: a sudden that person is infatuated with you and they
[1:40:59] Speaker 4: can't stop about you. It's not necessarily like that. You're
[1:41:03] Speaker 4: just sending out kind of a suggestion, and I mean, hey, dude,
[1:41:06] Speaker 4: you're not going to catch the fish if you don't
[1:41:08] Speaker 4: throw out some bait. And that's essentially what you're doing.
[1:41:10] Speaker 6: It's kind of like with with manifesting and doing things
[1:41:13] Speaker 6: like that or affirmations, and with the spell, you're using
[1:41:16] Speaker 6: your subconscious. You're using a thought a spell. You're putting
[1:41:19] Speaker 6: something together to make something tangible. And now your thought,
[1:41:23] Speaker 6: your subconscious is now something tangible that you can look
[1:41:26] Speaker 6: at and say, Okay, I did that. The work's been
[1:41:28] Speaker 6: done and I'm just gonna trust it.
[1:41:31] Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier that in a sense, with a lot
[1:41:35] Speaker 1: of this spell work and magic in general, you can
[1:41:39] Speaker 1: change and tweak things to better suit you and have
[1:41:45] Speaker 1: it work better for you. And I've heard this a lot,
[1:41:47] Speaker 1: that you can make different magic modalities your own by
[1:41:52] Speaker 1: tweaking and changing different things. And it's not necessarily the
[1:41:57] Speaker 1: fundamental ingredients or steps, and that's matter. It's how much
[1:42:02] Speaker 1: intention you're putting into it. By making it your own,
[1:42:06] Speaker 1: it gives it more power in a sense.
[1:42:09] Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, And you know, and using when it gets
[1:42:13] Speaker 6: to the different ingredients. This may or may not be true,
[1:42:15] Speaker 6: but this was kind of something that I was kind
[1:42:17] Speaker 6: of thinking about. And you know, if you're using nature
[1:42:19] Speaker 6: as far as like a bay leaf or cinnament, whatever
[1:42:23] Speaker 6: it is that you're using in your spell, you're going
[1:42:25] Speaker 6: to be using things that are in your area, you know,
[1:42:27] Speaker 6: things that are around you, you know, in nature, and
[1:42:30] Speaker 6: so you might not necessarily have access to certain things
[1:42:33] Speaker 6: within your state or wherever you are. And so I
[1:42:36] Speaker 6: was kind of thinking that, I mean, you could probably
[1:42:38] Speaker 6: use whatever it is that grows around you that you
[1:42:41] Speaker 6: think will work best with your subconscious mind.
[1:42:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely true, dude. But yeah, like, and
[1:42:49] Speaker 4: that probably would work best if you really think about it,
[1:42:52] Speaker 4: because now you're working with the energies that are naturally
[1:42:55] Speaker 4: around you anyway, the same energies that you're around on
[1:42:58] Speaker 4: a daily basis, So you know, it's it's all a
[1:43:01] Speaker 4: subconscious thing. And what I like to say is, and
[1:43:03] Speaker 4: I know that some people may disagree with this perspective,
[1:43:06] Speaker 4: is reality, Like whatever you believe is going to work
[1:43:10] Speaker 4: will work.
[1:43:11] Speaker 6: So like the placebo when we've gotten into that too,
[1:43:15] Speaker 6: how powerful that is?
[1:43:16] Speaker 5: Same kind of thing, I think.
[1:43:18] Speaker 4: Yeah, same thing. And so let's say you want to
[1:43:22] Speaker 4: do like some kind of spell. Well, I know that
[1:43:26] Speaker 4: you know, all right, So there's seventy eight tarot cards
[1:43:29] Speaker 4: within a tarot deck, within the traditional tarot deck, and
[1:43:32] Speaker 4: let's say you pull out the Lover's card for example. Well,
[1:43:38] Speaker 4: a Lover's card would be great for using it with
[1:43:40] Speaker 4: spell work. And we found that if you use taro
[1:43:43] Speaker 4: along with spell work, it actually enhances it from our perspective,
[1:43:48] Speaker 4: because we're used to using taro in every single episode, right,
[1:43:52] Speaker 4: and so whenever you're used to using it, you're more
[1:43:54] Speaker 4: comfortable with it. You know the magic that already is
[1:43:57] Speaker 4: inherent within it. Then it's only going to enhance whatever
[1:44:00] Speaker 4: you're doing. And that's pretty much the same across the
[1:44:03] Speaker 4: board with whatever you're really familiar with. But let's just
[1:44:06] Speaker 4: say that you're using the tarot card. And now you
[1:44:10] Speaker 4: know there is an inherent understanding as what the lover's
[1:44:14] Speaker 4: card actually represents. But let's say that lover's card represents
[1:44:18] Speaker 4: something else to you. Maybe it's not so so broad, right,
[1:44:23] Speaker 4: but maybe specifically to you, whenever you see the two
[1:44:25] Speaker 4: people on the lover's card, you imagine that to be
[1:44:29] Speaker 4: you and your love. Right, it's not necessarily just two
[1:44:32] Speaker 4: random ethereal beings or whatever. It's you and the love
[1:44:36] Speaker 4: of your life, your soulmate, whatever you want to call it.
[1:44:39] Speaker 4: And so perspective then would be reality because now you're
[1:44:43] Speaker 4: not taking the specific magic of that lover's card. You're
[1:44:46] Speaker 4: now subconsciously using the magic of whatever your relationship with
[1:44:51] Speaker 4: that other person is. And so it tweaks it just
[1:44:54] Speaker 4: a little bit. And the same thing goes with Eggregor's.
[1:44:57] Speaker 4: You know, we talk about them all the time. The
[1:44:59] Speaker 4: tooth fairyes, a clause Easter bunny whatever, the Boogeyman like,
[1:45:04] Speaker 4: all these things are essentially agrigors and I. And if
[1:45:08] Speaker 4: you're somebody who wants to look at it like this,
[1:45:13] Speaker 4: both Hercules thor Loki, Jesus, Buddha, like all of these
[1:45:19] Speaker 4: things essentially, at least as far as the mind goes
[1:45:23] Speaker 4: are aggrigors that represent a specific energy as far as
[1:45:26] Speaker 4: your understanding of them and whatever they represent. So you
[1:45:29] Speaker 4: can choose to invoke or evoke those people during spell work,
[1:45:34] Speaker 4: and some people will use like we got our buddy
[1:45:37] Speaker 4: Lord Byron Jester. He's a magician. He's awesome.
[1:45:42] Speaker 5: Byron's awesome.
[1:45:43] Speaker 4: Yeah, Byron's the man. What he likes to use, he
[1:45:46] Speaker 4: likes to use the demons of the Goeaisia, and he
[1:45:48] Speaker 4: also likes to use angels, right, and all these are
[1:45:52] Speaker 4: is just symbolic representations of whatever the energy that he
[1:45:56] Speaker 4: believes them to be. Now, whenever he uses the demons
[1:45:58] Speaker 4: of the Goeisha, he says, I've never had a negative
[1:46:01] Speaker 4: issue with that in my life. They actually work faster
[1:46:04] Speaker 4: than the angels, and so to him, they all work.
[1:46:07] Speaker 4: And this is why it's It can get a little
[1:46:10] Speaker 4: convoluted because it's up to the interpreter of the person,
[1:46:14] Speaker 4: but if you can actually believe it, at least if
[1:46:17] Speaker 4: you can convince your mind to believe it, then it
[1:46:21] Speaker 4: all really works, dude. And it's all about just whatever
[1:46:25] Speaker 4: you can kind of make your mind accept as truth.
[1:46:30] Speaker 6: Right, and the mind is so complex, of course it's
[1:46:32] Speaker 6: going to be convoluted, you know what I mean. The
[1:46:34] Speaker 6: brain is the most complex thing in the universe as
[1:46:37] Speaker 6: far as I'm concerned.
[1:46:39] Speaker 1: A modality I knowingly work with and it's quite simple
[1:46:44] Speaker 1: and it works incredibly and it's something that I can't deny.
[1:46:50] Speaker 1: It's just the awareness of energy in and energy out.
[1:46:54] Speaker 1: What I'm putting out there will be coming back to
[1:46:57] Speaker 1: me in a certain way, and if it's negative, I
[1:47:00] Speaker 1: will have negative energy coming back. There are certain things
[1:47:05] Speaker 1: that we can do to ourselves to enhance that energy
[1:47:10] Speaker 1: flow or even block it. Worrying and fear will prevent
[1:47:16] Speaker 1: things from coming back to you in a beneficial way.
[1:47:19] Speaker 1: And this is one of the biggest roadblocks I've faced
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: in my life is waking up and not being afraid
[1:47:27] Speaker 1: of what the day brings, not being concerned about if
[1:47:31] Speaker 1: I'll have enough revenue to do this, will I be
[1:47:34] Speaker 1: able to pay rent, what is going to be coming
[1:47:37] Speaker 1: up next month that might be harmful or scary. I
[1:47:41] Speaker 1: had to train myself to just let that energy flow
[1:47:47] Speaker 1: and go with whatever life brings me and have the
[1:47:52] Speaker 1: basic understanding that there is essentially nothing to fear at
[1:47:56] Speaker 1: all in this existence. We are perpetual energy where not
[1:48:00] Speaker 1: going anywhere, and no matter what life throws at us,
[1:48:04] Speaker 1: it is meant to help us learn and grow from.
[1:48:07] Speaker 1: So I had to learn those very important lessons. But
[1:48:11] Speaker 1: after I did, this energy flow has become much more
[1:48:15] Speaker 1: easy to recognize and understand, and it has been incredibly
[1:48:20] Speaker 1: beneficial in so many aspects of my life, financially, relationships, friendships,
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: just basically understanding how this works helps life flow.
[1:48:34] Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, one hundred percent. And you know, fear, as
[1:48:38] Speaker 4: they say, like people have heard this, fear is a
[1:48:40] Speaker 4: mind killer, like it, and and that is across the board,
[1:48:44] Speaker 4: whether you're doing a job at work, whether you're you know,
[1:48:48] Speaker 4: playing a role within your family, you're you're doing spell
[1:48:54] Speaker 4: work or meditation or like we all know, you don't
[1:48:57] Speaker 4: want to go into a mushroom trip with a fear
[1:49:00] Speaker 4: full mind because it's probably not going to be very fun,
[1:49:03] Speaker 4: you know, Like that's basically the idea of it. And
[1:49:07] Speaker 4: so whenever you think about fear, I've always heard that
[1:49:09] Speaker 4: fear is actually an acronym that stands for false evidence
[1:49:12] Speaker 4: appearing real and that's really what it is. It's it's
[1:49:17] Speaker 4: fear itself is actually kind of magical, like not in
[1:49:21] Speaker 4: a good way. It's obviously like the negative sense of it,
[1:49:24] Speaker 4: but you really look at it, fear doesn't even exist.
[1:49:27] Speaker 4: We made that in our mind magically. Look at us.
[1:49:32] Speaker 4: We're creators over here playing with magic now, right, But
[1:49:35] Speaker 4: like we do that on a daily basis, and we
[1:49:37] Speaker 4: just say, well, that's that's just a preventative now, like
[1:49:40] Speaker 4: it prevents us from from trying to achieve whatever it
[1:49:43] Speaker 4: is we want to achieve. Like some of the most
[1:49:46] Speaker 4: like revered people in the world are the people that's
[1:49:49] Speaker 4: you know that that have said, like the only thing
[1:49:52] Speaker 4: to fear is fear itself, right, and so like that fear,
[1:49:56] Speaker 4: you know, that's of course, that's where you got to
[1:49:59] Speaker 4: get into meta tation in the shadow work and kind
[1:50:02] Speaker 4: of like facing your fears head on. Maybe you're you know,
[1:50:05] Speaker 4: definitely afraid from of snakes, which I am, then you
[1:50:08] Speaker 4: you know, like fucking go holds, go hold a snake, like,
[1:50:12] Speaker 4: you know, to put yourself in that in that situation,
[1:50:14] Speaker 4: and what I mean like.
[1:50:16] Speaker 5: There's it's very hindering, man. You know.
[1:50:18] Speaker 6: We went into the Kabalian and they were talking about
[1:50:20] Speaker 6: cause and effect. And let's say you're you're you're living
[1:50:23] Speaker 6: out your day and just total fear and anxiety or
[1:50:26] Speaker 6: whatever it is. You're going to be doing things, even
[1:50:27] Speaker 6: if they're just the subtlest of things, but throughout the
[1:50:30] Speaker 6: day can make a big impact at the end of
[1:50:32] Speaker 6: the day or at the end of the week. And
[1:50:33] Speaker 6: so if you release that fear and you start walking
[1:50:36] Speaker 6: through doorways and and opportunities that come your way, I
[1:50:39] Speaker 6: mean that that builds up and then you become just
[1:50:42] Speaker 6: an overall better person.
[1:50:44] Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible that these magical, esoteric metaphysical
[1:50:51] Speaker 1: understandings have been intentionally hidden from humanity in a sense
[1:50:57] Speaker 1: because we're not evolved enough to respect posibly utilize it
[1:51:02] Speaker 1: in a sense we there are plenty of shitty humans.
[1:51:06] Speaker 4: There are evil people.
[1:51:07] Speaker 1: That still roam this planet that if they had access
[1:51:12] Speaker 1: to this power and information, would probably use it for
[1:51:16] Speaker 1: very selfish purposes and could possibly be harmful to other individuals.
[1:51:22] Speaker 1: So could it be possible that the reason a lot
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: of this information was intentionally hidden from us was because
[1:51:30] Speaker 1: they whoever hit it thought it would be for our
[1:51:33] Speaker 1: own good. Maybe that we weren't evolved or ready to
[1:51:38] Speaker 1: fully have this information yet.
[1:51:41] Speaker 4: Well, I mean, how nice of them to be looking
[1:51:43] Speaker 4: out for us like that. I don't believe that one
[1:51:47] Speaker 4: for one second. And I actually believe that the most
[1:51:50] Speaker 4: powerful people in the world are using magic. They're using
[1:51:53] Speaker 4: they're they're using these things against us. And whether it's
[1:51:59] Speaker 4: for them to be a to generate you know, shitloads
[1:52:02] Speaker 4: of money or shitloads of respect or power, or you know,
[1:52:06] Speaker 4: just the love from everybody, or they're using it to
[1:52:10] Speaker 4: suggest certain things to certain people or deceive certain people.
[1:52:14] Speaker 4: And so this in my opinion, you know, whenever people
[1:52:17] Speaker 4: like you know, they look into the occult, they look
[1:52:20] Speaker 4: into magic, they look into sorcery and witchcraft and wicca,
[1:52:23] Speaker 4: and it's it has such a negative ring to it
[1:52:26] Speaker 4: because that's kind of how they want it, like want
[1:52:30] Speaker 4: to put fear on top of something that you don't
[1:52:33] Speaker 4: want people to dabble into. That's ultimately like that's like
[1:52:36] Speaker 4: the best thing that you could do.
[1:52:38] Speaker 1: But it seems like at this point only the dark
[1:52:40] Speaker 1: side is allowed to be able to carry out and
[1:52:45] Speaker 1: practice this, and the rest of humanity is just useless
[1:52:48] Speaker 1: eaters that doesn't deserve this information.
[1:52:51] Speaker 6: Basically, Oh yeah, we're all subject to it, you know,
[1:52:55] Speaker 6: and you talk about the elites, you know. You see
[1:52:56] Speaker 6: the Amazon logo with a little smile on an arrow.
[1:53:00] Speaker 6: That's one of the most simplest symbols that everybody can
[1:53:03] Speaker 6: get down with. Everybody knows what an arrow is. And
[1:53:05] Speaker 6: so you see that symbol, all of a sudden, subconsciously
[1:53:08] Speaker 6: you think Amazon, you think products. Do you think what
[1:53:10] Speaker 6: do I need? Oh, I'm gonna go and buy this thing.
[1:53:12] Speaker 6: So now you just fell subject to somebody else's sigil.
[1:53:16] Speaker 4: That's magic, right, right, And there's symbols really all across
[1:53:20] Speaker 4: the board that inhibit so much information, you know, and
[1:53:24] Speaker 4: we get into symbolism a lot on our show, like
[1:53:28] Speaker 4: you know, just the idea of like taco bell for example,
[1:53:33] Speaker 4: Whenever you see the taco bell bell logo, right, you're
[1:53:36] Speaker 4: staring at that. Most people, you know, maybe you're thinking
[1:53:39] Speaker 4: of a burrito or a Dorito's logos taco or a
[1:53:43] Speaker 4: little Baja blast or whatever it is. Maybe it's the Mexican.
[1:53:46] Speaker 5: Pizza right in casadillas though, you know.
[1:53:49] Speaker 4: Right the case ideas or anything like that, most people
[1:53:52] Speaker 4: would you see the taco bell sign. That's immediately what
[1:53:55] Speaker 4: your mind goes to, well, how is it that a
[1:53:58] Speaker 4: simple logo contained that much information? How did all that
[1:54:01] Speaker 4: information get packed into that logo? Is it through the
[1:54:04] Speaker 4: use of commercials? Is it through the experiences that you've
[1:54:07] Speaker 4: had over there?
[1:54:08] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[1:54:08] Speaker 4: All of it? Right, I mean I personally whenever I
[1:54:11] Speaker 4: look at talk about yeah, sure, I think of the
[1:54:13] Speaker 4: case of Dias and and the Baja blasts and all that.
[1:54:16] Speaker 4: I also, you know, I kind of think of diarrhea
[1:54:18] Speaker 4: every time I look at that is woven within, you know,
[1:54:22] Speaker 4: into the symbol as well. So but yeah, there absolutely
[1:54:26] Speaker 4: is magic in all of these things. And that's why
[1:54:29] Speaker 4: we like to get into the use of the tarot
[1:54:31] Speaker 4: within magic because all of these things they all represent
[1:54:34] Speaker 4: something and it's up to you, Like whatever a certain
[1:54:37] Speaker 4: card represents to you, then that's how you can kind
[1:54:40] Speaker 4: of use it within your magic. But a lot of
[1:54:42] Speaker 4: people what they like to do is they like to
[1:54:44] Speaker 4: read the history of the card or what other people
[1:54:47] Speaker 4: may suggest the card actually represents or stuff like that
[1:54:51] Speaker 4: to be able to deepen the level of understanding within
[1:54:54] Speaker 4: that card so that you can use it in magic.
[1:54:57] Speaker 4: And so this is why, you know, you start to
[1:54:59] Speaker 4: get certain people who are like theologians. You know, there
[1:55:03] Speaker 4: are some amazing theologians out there that just have a
[1:55:06] Speaker 4: wealth of knowledge of so many different religions and forms
[1:55:10] Speaker 4: of spirituality. Those are the people that you really want
[1:55:13] Speaker 4: to listen to if you're really trying to deepen your magic,
[1:55:15] Speaker 4: because now the you know, just like whenever you think
[1:55:19] Speaker 4: of taco bell and you think of all those different things, well,
[1:55:22] Speaker 4: now you're taking that card and you're writing basically an
[1:55:26] Speaker 4: essays worth of information that is now submitted in the
[1:55:30] Speaker 4: form of a logo, so that whenever you look at
[1:55:33] Speaker 4: that card subconsciously, you know all of the power that
[1:55:37] Speaker 4: that thing can possibly use. Right, And so there are
[1:55:41] Speaker 4: certain like for example, like some people like to use
[1:55:45] Speaker 4: tarot within magic for the elements. If you want to
[1:55:49] Speaker 4: do like elemental magic, there's this thing called the Elemental
[1:55:53] Speaker 4: Square Tarot spread. And this is I'm actually just gonna
[1:55:57] Speaker 4: read it here if that's all right, but it says
[1:55:59] Speaker 4: this is this is perfect for calling in the elements
[1:56:02] Speaker 4: to direct power towards your spell. This spread uses four
[1:56:06] Speaker 4: tarot cards to represent the four elements Earth, fire, air,
[1:56:09] Speaker 4: and water. To do this, figure out what direction north
[1:56:12] Speaker 4: is and go from there, I use a compass on
[1:56:14] Speaker 4: my iPhone to do this. Each element corresponds with a
[1:56:17] Speaker 4: particular element. Set up your four tarot cards. So the
[1:56:21] Speaker 4: tarot card you've chosen to represent Earth is pointing towards
[1:56:25] Speaker 4: the north, and work counterclockwise from there. And when you're done,
[1:56:28] Speaker 4: you should have a square shape of a square shape
[1:56:33] Speaker 4: with the four cards making the corners. You can choose
[1:56:38] Speaker 4: to make the square big enough for you, your alter
[1:56:41] Speaker 4: and your magical tools to fit insides, as long as
[1:56:43] Speaker 4: you have like a square that are all representing you know,
[1:56:47] Speaker 4: the elements and their directions. So you would have Earth
[1:56:51] Speaker 4: representing north, water representing west, fire representing south, and air
[1:56:55] Speaker 4: representing east. And you can kind of see like how
[1:56:58] Speaker 4: they came up with those, right, Like fire south makes sense,
[1:57:01] Speaker 4: it's hotter down south, right water west. There's the two
[1:57:04] Speaker 4: w's Earth, North, Air, East. So all these different things.
[1:57:09] Speaker 4: And what else is great too is whenever you're using
[1:57:12] Speaker 4: the Tarot cards by the element, you can choose what
[1:57:14] Speaker 4: element to go along with the direction. And so see
[1:57:19] Speaker 4: how this is so intricate. You're essentially building a symbol
[1:57:22] Speaker 4: in your mind whatever whatever the symbol is trying to represent,
[1:57:27] Speaker 4: you're now cementing it within your mind because you're adding
[1:57:30] Speaker 4: so many different elements to this magic. And this is
[1:57:33] Speaker 4: why I mean not every single magical spell needs to
[1:57:36] Speaker 4: be very intricate, but it's according to the person. So
[1:57:41] Speaker 4: if you need so many logical things to happen within
[1:57:47] Speaker 4: a spell, then like then that's what you're gonna need
[1:57:50] Speaker 4: to do. You're gonna need to add so many more
[1:57:52] Speaker 4: elements to it. If you're somebody who's simple and says, well,
[1:57:55] Speaker 4: you know what, if I just drink this ginger ale,
[1:57:57] Speaker 4: it's gonna cure my stomach and just that one thing,
[1:58:00] Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and.
[1:58:01] Speaker 6: It all works, you know. And if you create your
[1:58:04] Speaker 6: own symbol. Let's say you put all of these things
[1:58:06] Speaker 6: into this magical spell and you create a symbol of
[1:58:10] Speaker 6: a sigil rather for it. You can then also leave
[1:58:13] Speaker 6: this symbol up on your I don't know, on your
[1:58:15] Speaker 6: wall when you get up, so you see it every day,
[1:58:17] Speaker 6: and so almost like an auto suggestive type of situation,
[1:58:21] Speaker 6: just like we see the commercials or we see, as
[1:58:23] Speaker 6: we've said before, the taco bell sign every time you
[1:58:26] Speaker 6: drive by it to get onto the freeway or whatever
[1:58:28] Speaker 6: it is, it's being auto suggested into your subconscious and
[1:58:31] Speaker 6: now it's just kind of part of you.
[1:58:33] Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, it seems like we're over complicating the understanding
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: of magic if we take away the fear and the
[1:58:42] Speaker 1: dogma and the unknown factors, if we just look at
[1:58:46] Speaker 1: it as like you were saying earlier. Mind is all
[1:58:50] Speaker 1: our imagination and emotion is the basic fuel in building
[1:58:54] Speaker 1: blocks for these magical processes. And if you start there,
[1:59:01] Speaker 1: I don't go much further than that, and I've accomplished
[1:59:04] Speaker 1: wonderful things in my life. You don't really have to.
[1:59:07] Speaker 1: You can simplify things, you can make it more complex
[1:59:11] Speaker 1: and intricate if you'd like, but it all depends on
[1:59:14] Speaker 1: what you'd like to achieve with your magical modalities. Now,
[1:59:19] Speaker 1: I always go back to I do believe that it
[1:59:22] Speaker 1: really depends on if it's going to be beneficial or harmful,
[1:59:27] Speaker 1: your intent behind it, and if the outcome could possibly
[1:59:32] Speaker 1: harm others, I would most likely stay away from it.
[1:59:36] Speaker 5: Right exactly.
[1:59:37] Speaker 4: That's right, dude. And even within that book, the Truth
[1:59:40] Speaker 4: about Witchcraft that we were talking about earlier, there's a
[1:59:42] Speaker 4: chapter in there that says do no harm, Like you're
[1:59:45] Speaker 4: not supposed to be inflicting any kind of harm or
[1:59:48] Speaker 4: pain or you know, doing anything against anybody's will within
[1:59:52] Speaker 4: a magical spell. Like you know, they don't really get
[1:59:56] Speaker 4: into the hexes and the curses or anything like that.
[1:59:59] Speaker 4: Most of this magic is for you, Like it's not
[2:00:03] Speaker 4: to eliminate somebody so that you can move up in
[2:00:06] Speaker 4: a job position, you know what I mean, Like if
[2:00:09] Speaker 4: you're in love with somebody who is dating somebody else,
[2:00:12] Speaker 4: like you're not trying to like put a hex on
[2:00:15] Speaker 4: the other person so that they die. You're getting into
[2:00:18] Speaker 4: a car crash or something like that. Like that is
[2:00:20] Speaker 4: the opposite of what magic is even about, because now
[2:00:23] Speaker 4: you're putting out those negative intentions and then of course
[2:00:26] Speaker 4: you get into the what is it like the threefold thing,
[2:00:30] Speaker 4: the power of three thing that kind of multiplies back
[2:00:33] Speaker 4: three times back at you whenever you're doing the negative
[2:00:36] Speaker 4: kind of stuff. But you know, just getting into like
[2:00:39] Speaker 4: certain cards that you would be able to use within
[2:00:42] Speaker 4: this spell casting using tarot. And the reason why we
[2:00:46] Speaker 4: wanted to bring it up is because we found it
[2:00:48] Speaker 4: to work so well. It was absolutely incredible, and it's
[2:00:52] Speaker 4: honestly it's kind of fun to do. But if you
[2:00:55] Speaker 4: look into certain cards like and what they represent and
[2:00:58] Speaker 4: so how you'd be to use them within your spell work.
[2:01:02] Speaker 4: So a card such as the Hermit in the Full
[2:01:05] Speaker 4: can bring about transformative experiences you think about the Full.
[2:01:09] Speaker 4: The Full is literally the number zero card in the
[2:01:13] Speaker 4: tarot deck. It doesn't even represent a number. It's just
[2:01:16] Speaker 4: like you know, you have to go visit the magician
[2:01:19] Speaker 4: and everybody else on this tarot journey, and so it
[2:01:22] Speaker 4: kind of just represents the emptiness. And so then you
[2:01:26] Speaker 4: would have cards like the Temperance and the Lover's Card
[2:01:28] Speaker 4: that represent different aspects of love and relationships. If you're
[2:01:32] Speaker 4: seeking love or enhancing an existing relationship, you may choose
[2:01:36] Speaker 4: cards from the Suit of Cups, which represents emotions and relationships.
[2:01:41] Speaker 4: And so the thing is is that you know that
[2:01:44] Speaker 4: there are plenty of different like tarot spreads that you
[2:01:48] Speaker 4: can do. And while we mentioned the square one earlier,
[2:01:51] Speaker 4: I do want to get into the power triangle tarot spread.
[2:01:54] Speaker 4: We found this one to work extremely well, dude, And
[2:01:58] Speaker 4: it's wild and it's so easy to do, that's the thing.
[2:02:01] Speaker 6: Yeah, And it was and it was actually like really
[2:02:03] Speaker 6: fun to do, Like I felt like I had like
[2:02:04] Speaker 6: a really good time doing it, which, like I said before,
[2:02:07] Speaker 6: it's really important to access that imagination or that that
[2:02:11] Speaker 6: childlike nature within your mind in order to make something
[2:02:14] Speaker 6: happen like this.
[2:02:15] Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what, whenever you start dabbling into
[2:02:17] Speaker 4: this kind of stuff, you start to notice that there
[2:02:19] Speaker 4: are like weird synchronicities every time too. So I believe
[2:02:22] Speaker 4: in one of these episodes where we were doing like
[2:02:25] Speaker 4: magic and spell work and stuff like that, I think
[2:02:28] Speaker 4: that I mentioned in the episode, I was like, you
[2:02:30] Speaker 4: know what, after this episode, I'm gonna go watch hocus Pocus, right,
[2:02:36] Speaker 4: And I was like, who doesn't love those movies? Like
[2:02:38] Speaker 4: I think they're great. So I said that within the episode, well,
[2:02:43] Speaker 4: we did it like before Shawn's kids got home from
[2:02:46] Speaker 4: from school, right, and as soon as as soon as
[2:02:50] Speaker 4: we get done with the episode, his kids are walking
[2:02:52] Speaker 4: in the first thing that is, one of one of
[2:02:53] Speaker 4: his daughters does turns on the TV and puts on
[2:02:56] Speaker 4: hocus Pocus.
[2:02:57] Speaker 6: And she watched both of them like back to back,
[2:03:00] Speaker 6: and I text you, I was like, dude, you're not
[2:03:01] Speaker 6: gonna believe this. Like I didn't even mention that she
[2:03:03] Speaker 6: just she just did it.
[2:03:05] Speaker 5: Crazy.
[2:03:05] Speaker 4: It's like incredible synchronicities with this stuff. But the getting
[2:03:10] Speaker 4: back to the power triangle. I just want everybody look,
[2:03:13] Speaker 4: if you're interested in in the you know, uh, spell
[2:03:15] Speaker 4: casting and magic and stuff like that, I promise you
[2:03:18] Speaker 4: it's not harmful. It's not using the power of the devil.
[2:03:21] Speaker 4: It is using your inherent nature, like this is this
[2:03:24] Speaker 4: is who you are and what you're capable of. These
[2:03:27] Speaker 4: tools that we're using are only tools. It's you that
[2:03:31] Speaker 4: is giving it the energy. The tarot doesn't represent some
[2:03:34] Speaker 4: kind of power from God. The candles aren't representing a
[2:03:37] Speaker 4: power of an angel. They're only just subconscious symbols that
[2:03:42] Speaker 4: you're using to kind of talk your subconscious into accepting it.
[2:03:46] Speaker 4: And so they're just really tools. Tarot cards are just
[2:03:50] Speaker 4: pieces of fucking paper until you give them the magic.
[2:03:54] Speaker 4: And so do remember that. But this is the power
[2:03:58] Speaker 4: triangle Tarot spread. Three is a powerful number in magic,
[2:04:02] Speaker 4: and the points of the triangle can be positioned to
[2:04:05] Speaker 4: direct that power towards something or someone. This person says
[2:04:09] Speaker 4: that they usually angle the bottom point of the triangle
[2:04:12] Speaker 4: towards myself to draw the magic towards me. And so
[2:04:17] Speaker 4: it says for this spread, you would choose three cards.
[2:04:20] Speaker 4: One tarot card will represent you. So that's that's the one.
[2:04:23] Speaker 4: The if you're if you're doing like a tarot spread,
[2:04:26] Speaker 4: you'd have two cards kind of like level with each other,
[2:04:30] Speaker 4: and then the bottom card, which would represent the tip
[2:04:33] Speaker 4: of the triangle, would be representing you. So you want
[2:04:36] Speaker 4: the arrow pointing towards you. And typically what you would
[2:04:39] Speaker 4: do is is that you would have the card that
[2:04:41] Speaker 4: represents you. You would make you would make it the
[2:04:44] Speaker 4: fool because you're the one opening yourself up to go
[2:04:47] Speaker 4: on this journey, so you're the fool that is accepting
[2:04:50] Speaker 4: the journey that is before you. Or you can really
[2:04:53] Speaker 4: choose any card that you feel drawn to. Maybe you know,
[2:04:56] Speaker 4: maybe I know that there's a lot of people that like, oh,
[2:04:59] Speaker 4: every time I I draw a card, I get the
[2:05:01] Speaker 4: Priestess or you know, or I get the Hirafant or
[2:05:04] Speaker 4: or something like that. So if that card represents you,
[2:05:07] Speaker 4: then you do that one. But for this one we
[2:05:10] Speaker 4: use the full card. Next, you would pick one tarot
[2:05:14] Speaker 4: card that represents the energy of your intention. So for example,
[2:05:18] Speaker 4: the Pentacles card would be or a Pentacles card would
[2:05:21] Speaker 4: be great for manifesting a money spell. This card goes
[2:05:25] Speaker 4: to the upper left of the triangle. So for this
[2:05:28] Speaker 4: for the spell that we did, we put the the
[2:05:31] Speaker 4: Ten of Pentacles at the upper left hand corner, and
[2:05:35] Speaker 4: so the left side is associated with receiving energy, which
[2:05:39] Speaker 4: is perfect for calling in money or whatever your intention is.
[2:05:43] Speaker 4: So then you would get to the right corner of
[2:05:45] Speaker 4: the triangle, and this is for sending out energy. So
[2:05:48] Speaker 4: pick whatever card you feel would help you make your
[2:05:52] Speaker 4: intention a reality. Think of this card as sending up
[2:05:56] Speaker 4: the energy needed to support your intention. For example, if
[2:05:59] Speaker 4: you want to attract money by getting a promotion at work,
[2:06:03] Speaker 4: you can use the Three of Pentacles, the Emperor or
[2:06:05] Speaker 4: the Page of Pentacles to support that intention. But what
[2:06:08] Speaker 4: we did is and so the idea is is that
[2:06:11] Speaker 4: you want that upper right hand corner card to basically
[2:06:14] Speaker 4: be the vehicle that is going to bring the energy
[2:06:18] Speaker 4: to this magical spell. So it's essentially like look at
[2:06:22] Speaker 4: it as if it's like the metaphysical battery, right or
[2:06:25] Speaker 4: the magnet.
[2:06:26] Speaker 6: And I believe I believe we used the sun. There
[2:06:28] Speaker 6: was a reason within that book that we were reading.
[2:06:31] Speaker 6: We had read something about the sun, and we're like,
[2:06:33] Speaker 6: all right, let's go with the sun.
[2:06:34] Speaker 4: Right, And y'all, I mean you think of like the sun,
[2:06:37] Speaker 4: it's the most powerful source that we know of, so
[2:06:39] Speaker 4: it's that's why we ended up going with that one.
[2:06:41] Speaker 4: So at the upper left we have the ten of Pentacles,
[2:06:44] Speaker 4: the upper right we would have the sun, and then
[2:06:45] Speaker 4: the full rate in the center. And what we did
[2:06:48] Speaker 4: is actually we took some of our like our favorite
[2:06:50] Speaker 4: crystals to kind of put them in there and charge
[2:06:53] Speaker 4: the whole situation up. And so we used a quartz crystal,
[2:06:57] Speaker 4: and then we also have like these animal crystals that
[2:07:01] Speaker 4: one of our guests gave to us. They kind of
[2:07:02] Speaker 4: represent our spirit, animals, whatever is, whatever is special to you.
[2:07:06] Speaker 4: That's the crystals that you would use. But then in
[2:07:09] Speaker 4: the center of that you would take and if you're
[2:07:12] Speaker 4: trying to do a money spell, which is that's what
[2:07:15] Speaker 4: we're doing for this one, you would you would get
[2:07:17] Speaker 4: a green candle and on that green candle you would
[2:07:21] Speaker 4: light it. And what I did, like I kind of
[2:07:23] Speaker 4: mentioned earlier, is that you would you would turn on
[2:07:26] Speaker 4: some kind of meditation music and you would stare into
[2:07:29] Speaker 4: that flame and so into that flame, but also on
[2:07:32] Speaker 4: the peripheral of your entire vision of everything that you
[2:07:35] Speaker 4: got laid out in front of you is kind of
[2:07:38] Speaker 4: being symbolized and you're you're thinking about, all right, what
[2:07:42] Speaker 4: is it going to look like whenever I have this money?
[2:07:45] Speaker 4: What is it going to look like like? In my
[2:07:47] Speaker 4: I'm sure I'm not gonna be worried about bills because
[2:07:49] Speaker 4: I'm trying to manifest money here, right, So you imagine
[2:07:52] Speaker 4: what you would be doing if you had that money,
[2:07:54] Speaker 4: or how you would be feeling, you know, like maybe
[2:07:56] Speaker 4: it's taking your kids on a vacation. Maybe if it's
[2:08:00] Speaker 4: going on a cruise, maybe, you know whatever, whatever in
[2:08:04] Speaker 4: your mind would represent what you would be doing if
[2:08:07] Speaker 4: you were full of abundance and money. So, as a
[2:08:10] Speaker 4: matter of fact, I in that episode I chose to
[2:08:14] Speaker 4: go with instead of instead of putting the spell for me,
[2:08:19] Speaker 4: what I did was is that I did it for
[2:08:21] Speaker 4: Sean because I was like, you know what, I'm just
[2:08:23] Speaker 4: going to send some love in this one, because it's
[2:08:25] Speaker 4: just a.
[2:08:26] Speaker 5: Class act, you know, it's what it is.
[2:08:28] Speaker 4: Well, you know, I just figured, you know, why not?
[2:08:30] Speaker 4: And so I wrote down on a little piece of paper,
[2:08:33] Speaker 4: or you can write it on a bay leaf, you
[2:08:34] Speaker 4: would write wealth and abundance, and then I just put
[2:08:37] Speaker 4: for Sean on it and then you burn that over
[2:08:40] Speaker 4: the candle after you get done meditating on the flame
[2:08:42] Speaker 4: and everything else that's going on around you, and you
[2:08:44] Speaker 4: got all the cards that are working for you now,
[2:08:47] Speaker 4: and you got all the candles that are working for you, know,
[2:08:49] Speaker 4: you got the crystals that are also there charging the
[2:08:53] Speaker 4: situation up, and you have lived the vibration as if
[2:08:57] Speaker 4: it was it already happened, right. And then on top
[2:09:01] Speaker 4: of that, what you can do is you can have
[2:09:03] Speaker 4: like a little saying, a little chant if you will,
[2:09:07] Speaker 4: And there are plenty of different kind of chants that
[2:09:11] Speaker 4: you can add that you can say. I kind of
[2:09:13] Speaker 4: just came up with one on the spot, but one
[2:09:15] Speaker 4: that some people use is says, so you chant this
[2:09:19] Speaker 4: while you're staring into the flame kind of in a
[2:09:21] Speaker 4: meditative state, and you would say, power of the bay leaf,
[2:09:24] Speaker 4: I ask THEE through methods fair and just bring abundant
[2:09:28] Speaker 4: prosperity through the fire, Bring abundant prosperity. And so these
[2:09:34] Speaker 4: are just tiny little like poems that you can kind
[2:09:36] Speaker 4: of say that that and remember like this is all
[2:09:40] Speaker 4: for the subconscious mind, and so you hold that vibration
[2:09:43] Speaker 4: in your mind with all the energies and all of
[2:09:45] Speaker 4: the like. Basically, the little altar that you've built here,
[2:09:49] Speaker 4: and now whenever you blow the candle out and you
[2:09:51] Speaker 4: burn the little piece of paper and then you blow
[2:09:53] Speaker 4: the candle out, and then you just say, so mote
[2:09:55] Speaker 4: it be, and you don't even think about it. You
[2:09:57] Speaker 4: just let it be. You're not trying to say, I
[2:10:00] Speaker 4: wonder if the spell is going to work. You just
[2:10:01] Speaker 4: say I did what I had to do. It is
[2:10:04] Speaker 4: now in its works, right, And that's what you know.
[2:10:07] Speaker 4: Some people they're like, oh, I wonder if the spell worked, Like, well,
[2:10:11] Speaker 4: now you're kind of going against it.
[2:10:12] Speaker 6: You're throwing doubt into the situation now and within your mind,
[2:10:15] Speaker 6: and so now you're walking around thinking, oh, maybe it's
[2:10:17] Speaker 6: not going to work, and so the universe is going
[2:10:19] Speaker 6: to show you that it's like, yeah, it's not working,
[2:10:21] Speaker 6: so right.
[2:10:22] Speaker 4: And so what we have discovered is is that all
[2:10:25] Speaker 4: of this stuff does work. Now, we do want to
[2:10:28] Speaker 4: preface that we are still very very new into this
[2:10:31] Speaker 4: whole spell work and magic and witchcraft and wicca and
[2:10:35] Speaker 4: all that stuff. We're just kind of using it as tools.
[2:10:38] Speaker 4: It's not to say that we're going to, you know,
[2:10:40] Speaker 4: devote ourselves to any specific religion or anything like that.
[2:10:43] Speaker 4: We're not going to become wickens or anything. It's just
[2:10:46] Speaker 4: what can you learn from each individual religion in different
[2:10:49] Speaker 4: form of spirituality. And I'll say this, dude, they all
[2:10:53] Speaker 4: kind of rhyme, you know.
[2:10:55] Speaker 1: And you haven't yet been molested by the magic devil demons.
[2:10:58] Speaker 5: So not even one. There's one thing once.
[2:11:02] Speaker 4: Unfortunately, no Noah.
[2:11:06] Speaker 6: And also one more, one more thing that was pretty
[2:11:09] Speaker 6: cool that happened in that episode that we did the
[2:11:11] Speaker 6: spell was that, you know, we had already made the
[2:11:13] Speaker 6: intention of using the Sun card for for our supporting card,
[2:11:17] Speaker 6: if you will, for the spell in our tarot reading,
[2:11:20] Speaker 6: because we do a tear We did a taroor reading
[2:11:22] Speaker 6: anyways before the end of the show or before the spell,
[2:11:25] Speaker 6: and when'd you know it, we got the Sun card
[2:11:28] Speaker 6: for our taro pool, even with having set that intention
[2:11:31] Speaker 6: of using that card later for the spell. So it
[2:11:33] Speaker 6: was just another little synchronicity that happened that was just
[2:11:36] Speaker 6: like kind of kind of awesome, you know.
[2:11:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, synchronicities to me are a message, a confirmation, and
[2:11:46] Speaker 1: an indication of next steps that I should take, depending
[2:11:51] Speaker 1: on what's coming through or what the initial intention is about.
[2:11:56] Speaker 1: But yeah, this stuff is fascinating. Is there any close
[2:12:00] Speaker 1: using thoughts that you would like to leave us with today, gentlemen.
[2:12:04] Speaker 6: I think for me, you know, one thing I'd like
[2:12:07] Speaker 6: to say is is because you had mentioned earlier about
[2:12:09] Speaker 6: you know, maybe bad people using this type of thing
[2:12:12] Speaker 6: and maybe to against somebody else for a hex or
[2:12:16] Speaker 6: whatever it is. And in my opinion, I think that
[2:12:19] Speaker 6: that low vibrational people, people that are not even aware
[2:12:23] Speaker 6: of themselves, let alone trying to impact someone else's life
[2:12:27] Speaker 6: through magic.
[2:12:28] Speaker 5: I just don't think it's possible.
[2:12:30] Speaker 6: You know, people that are in a low vibe or
[2:12:33] Speaker 6: in evil intentions, you know they're not I don't even
[2:12:36] Speaker 6: know if they're self aware enough to make this magic work.
[2:12:40] Speaker 6: And so but yeah, just to you know, be aware
[2:12:43] Speaker 6: and set your intentions and don't fear nothing.
[2:12:47] Speaker 4: Reach well. And also look, I mean, one thing that
[2:12:50] Speaker 4: you slowly start to begin to understand is that now
[2:12:53] Speaker 4: you're getting back to nature a little bit. Now you're
[2:12:56] Speaker 4: getting back to what it means to be a human.
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: Like.
[2:12:58] Speaker 4: It's not that are superhuman people that are practicing magic.
[2:13:03] Speaker 4: You know, they're not pulling this from the gods or
[2:13:06] Speaker 4: from the underworld or from a different dimension, although they can.
[2:13:10] Speaker 4: I mean, whatever you believe, you kind of choose from.
[2:13:13] Speaker 4: But essentially all you're doing is just building a vibration
[2:13:17] Speaker 4: that works for you, and so whatever works for you
[2:13:20] Speaker 4: at that point. But all of this stuff is inherent
[2:13:25] Speaker 4: with us. It is part of our nature. It's getting
[2:13:27] Speaker 4: back to kind of like the roots of what it
[2:13:29] Speaker 4: means to be a human. And the earliest humans and
[2:13:32] Speaker 4: even people all throughout the years, if they weren't you know,
[2:13:36] Speaker 4: killed by certain crusaders, they continue to practice it. And
[2:13:42] Speaker 4: one thing that you'll find is is that the more
[2:13:44] Speaker 4: you dive into this stuff and the more you begin
[2:13:47] Speaker 4: to learn, the closer you actually start to love yourself again.
[2:13:50] Speaker 4: And so there's so many people out there that are
[2:13:53] Speaker 4: just disgracing themselves and hurting themselves and you know, just
[2:13:56] Speaker 4: talking shit about themselves. It forces you to learn learn
[2:14:00] Speaker 4: to love yourself because then you start to you start
[2:14:03] Speaker 4: to learn like what you're capable of. You start to
[2:14:05] Speaker 4: learn like, my god, it's it's not crazy. It's not
[2:14:08] Speaker 4: crazy coincidence that I'm just here out of you know,
[2:14:11] Speaker 4: out of the grace of God or whatever. Like, it's
[2:14:14] Speaker 4: you're here because you exist within the all. And how
[2:14:17] Speaker 4: awesome is that? Like you exist within the magic, you
[2:14:20] Speaker 4: exist within the realm of everything that is, and so
[2:14:24] Speaker 4: it's very cool to understand like your role in the game,
[2:14:27] Speaker 4: and then you can start to develop and and and
[2:14:30] Speaker 4: you know, start to learn all these other modalities and
[2:14:33] Speaker 4: like tune yourself a little bit. Like, you know, who
[2:14:36] Speaker 4: wouldn't want to be a wizard right on?
[2:14:39] Speaker 1: I've been wanting to be a wizard since I can remember. Gentlemen,
[2:14:42] Speaker 1: this was great. I'll always a wonderful discussion. Before we
[2:14:47] Speaker 1: close out, remind the audience where they can find some
[2:14:50] Speaker 1: more meta mysteries.
[2:14:53] Speaker 4: So we are Metamisteries. You can find us on Instagram
[2:14:56] Speaker 4: at Metamisteries. We also have a TikTok at Metamisies. But uh,
[2:15:01] Speaker 4: but the best place to be able to find us
[2:15:03] Speaker 4: is whatever podcast player you're using, So Spotify, Apple, whatever,
[2:15:07] Speaker 4: We're on all of them, and just type in meta Mysteries.
[2:15:10] Speaker 4: We do three episodes a week, and we try and
[2:15:13] Speaker 4: keep it as broad as we as we possibly can.
[2:15:16] Speaker 4: So one day we'll be discovering near death experiences. Another
[2:15:19] Speaker 4: day we'll be discussing, you know, what it takes to
[2:15:23] Speaker 4: enhance your psychic abilities. Another one would be like diving
[2:15:27] Speaker 4: into Wika and witchcraft and and all these different things.
[2:15:30] Speaker 4: There's there's actually, like I don't know, five six seven
[2:15:34] Speaker 4: episodes where I've hypnotized people and you can go back
[2:15:37] Speaker 4: and you can listen to those things, and uh, Sean,
[2:15:40] Speaker 4: I'm gonna be hypnotizing him very soon. I'm gonna be
[2:15:42] Speaker 4: getting hypnotized here really soon. And all these things are
[2:15:45] Speaker 4: just meant for you to be, you know, more full,
[2:15:50] Speaker 4: you know, like the the idea is to you know,
[2:15:53] Speaker 4: just enhance yourself in whatever way you can. Like, if
[2:15:56] Speaker 4: there's a subconscious behavior that you have, well, like, let's
[2:16:00] Speaker 4: make sure that subconscious behavior is working to your benefit
[2:16:03] Speaker 4: and not against you. And that's what we're trying to
[2:16:07] Speaker 4: work with here. It's just it's just like you know,
[2:16:11] Speaker 4: kind of taking the human and making it superhuman. And
[2:16:13] Speaker 4: that's what we really like to do. We believe that
[2:16:15] Speaker 4: this magic is within all of us. It just has
[2:16:18] Speaker 4: to be found and that's it.
[2:16:20] Speaker 6: Dude, right, And like you said, we are a part
[2:16:22] Speaker 6: of nature, you know, we are not separate from that.
[2:16:24] Speaker 6: And yeah, we just try to stand the good vibes
[2:16:28] Speaker 6: and empower people to do what's best for them and
[2:16:31] Speaker 6: live their happiest.
[2:16:32] Speaker 2: Life right on.
[2:16:33] Speaker 4: Everything this exists inside of you. There is no such
[2:16:36] Speaker 4: thing as separation. It's all an illusion. I just want
[2:16:39] Speaker 4: to throw that out it.
[2:16:39] Speaker 1: It does seem pretty damn counterproductive to deny those facts.
[2:16:43] Speaker 3: There.
[2:16:44] Speaker 2: Thank you again, gentlemen. This was great.
[2:16:46] Speaker 1: We'll definitely be doing this again in the future. And
[2:16:49] Speaker 1: until next time, everyone, have a wonderful evening. We'll talk again.
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