# Dawn of Discernment Clip: Orgonite: The Energetic Solution

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## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: This is a clip from Dawn of Discernment. You can
[0:04] Speaker 1: access the entire episode now on our website and all
[0:08] Speaker 1: podcast platforms. Chemtrails and cloud seeding are confounded all the time.
[0:13] Speaker 1: People think that, you know, cloud seeding is spraying metals
[0:16] Speaker 1: in the atmosphere to modify the weather. It literally is that.
[0:21] Speaker 1: Chemtrails are something different. But starting with cloud seeding, they
[0:25] Speaker 1: use light aircraft. They spray silver iodide into the atmosphere.
[0:30] Speaker 1: They can all disperse it from the ground or from hillsides.
[0:33] Speaker 1: And this is done in order to create more rain
[0:37] Speaker 1: through increasing the ice crystals and just causing already existent
[0:41] Speaker 1: rain to be amplified. They cannot create rain out of
[0:45] Speaker 1: nothing with cloud seeding. They can seek to amplify the
[0:49] Speaker 1: amount of rain that would already come with a storm.
[0:51] Speaker 1: But they found that in general, I mean, this is
[0:55] Speaker 1: like accepted science, okay, mainstream science. Cloud seeding is largely ineffective.
[0:59] Speaker 1: because it can only increase rainfall by a small percentage
[1:03] Speaker 1: at best. And it isn't an energetic method. It's a
[1:06] Speaker 1: chemical method. So it misses the whole point. In my book,
[1:10] Speaker 1: I covered cloud seeding as well as energetic methods in
[1:13] Speaker 1: the mainstream for generating rain, not just us organite makers
[1:17] Speaker 1: on the fringe here doing it on the sly, but
[1:20] Speaker 1: people actually doing university-level experiments in weather modification. And the
[1:25] Speaker 1: cloud seeding simply is not effective, and it is a pollutant.
[1:27] Speaker 1: We don't want it. Cloud seeding is something we do
[1:30] Speaker 1: not want because they're putting pollutants into the atmosphere and
[1:34] Speaker 1: it does not really increase rainfall. It's negligible at best.
[1:38] Speaker 1: It's not energetic. The way to increase rainfall is energetic.
[1:42] Speaker 1: And there have been studies of using negative ionization, which
[1:47] Speaker 1: organite does create negative ionizing energy. So there are people
[1:51] Speaker 1: that have done it without organite, but have created negative
[1:53] Speaker 1: ionization in the atmosphere and have actually had successful results
[1:57] Speaker 1: in increasing rain that way. So there are methods besides
[2:01] Speaker 1: Organite to do it. And mainstream meteorological science has found them.
[2:06] Speaker 1: So we know that cloud seeding is ineffective, but energetic
[2:09] Speaker 1: methods are effective in promoting rain.
[2:12] Speaker 2: Because, I mean, there are various different things that are
[2:17] Speaker 2: situations that are talked about in the media. And one
[2:19] Speaker 2: of the obvious ones is, you know, what's called Operation
[2:22] Speaker 2: Popeye in Vietnam, you know, that they talk about having,
[2:26] Speaker 2: you know, increased the monsoon And also in the fifties in,
[2:32] Speaker 2: I think it was in Dorset, you know, in England
[2:35] Speaker 2: that they apparently had some incredible floods, you know, more
[2:39] Speaker 2: and putting it down to their ability to manipulate the weather.
[2:44] Speaker 3: Now, are these.
[2:48] Speaker 2: Narratives, is there any, well, how would we know if
[2:53] Speaker 2: there's any truth to them? But again, If they're largely ineffective,
[2:57] Speaker 2: the chances are that they were just lucky that they
[3:01] Speaker 2: maybe turned up.
[3:03] Speaker 3: It just turned it up a little bit more.
[3:04] Speaker 1: It was probably going to happen anyway.
[3:07] Speaker 2: Right.
[3:08] Speaker 1: Based on how many experiments showed the opposite. Right. With
[3:13] Speaker 1: cloud seeding, you're working with what's already there. So if
[3:15] Speaker 1: you've got a powerful monsoonal system coming in and you say, hey,
[3:18] Speaker 1: we cloud seeded it. I mean, we've had this happen
[3:21] Speaker 1: with our work as well. The mainstream media, like the
[3:24] Speaker 1: LA Times, actually put out articles. And this is in
[3:27] Speaker 1: my book, too. I think it's in my book. It's
[3:28] Speaker 1: in my blog. I keep track of all of these things.
[3:31] Speaker 1: And so it's hard to remember sometimes without looking. I
[3:33] Speaker 1: have archived articles for a long time. But I remember
[3:37] Speaker 1: a particular instance of cloud seeding in Los Angeles that
[3:41] Speaker 1: coincided with orgone-induced rains. And I felt like the mainstream
[3:45] Speaker 1: media was stepping all over themselves to say that, oh,
[3:47] Speaker 1: these cloud seeding things on the side of a hill,
[3:49] Speaker 1: mind you, not even in the atmosphere, but just spewing...
[3:52] Speaker 1: metals through these devices on the hillside would be the
[3:56] Speaker 1: cause of these great rains when we knew full well
[3:59] Speaker 1: that the gifting we had done was bringing that rain.
[4:01] Speaker 3: Yes, that is in your book. Yes, I remember reading that.
[4:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, that was in the book too. Yeah.
[4:09] Speaker 2: Yeah. So some of the points I'm going to raise,
[4:11] Speaker 2: questions or whatever it is, is because the kinds of
[4:13] Speaker 2: questions that I think people are likely to ask. So
[4:16] Speaker 2: it's really to, you know, pose them to you and
[4:20] Speaker 2: hopefully you know cover as many of the kinds of
[4:22] Speaker 2: questions that i'm sure you've already been asked many times
[4:26] Speaker 2: over the years and people you know challenging you with
[4:29] Speaker 2: these different things so it's you know it's not.
[4:32] Speaker 3: To challenge you as such it's to.
[4:34] Speaker 2: Kind of you know explain as much of this as
[4:36] Speaker 2: you can because you know now you say because we've
[4:39] Speaker 2: seen all these images you know the these, well, what
[4:41] Speaker 2: about these planes and these tanks? And, you know, we
[4:44] Speaker 2: see them and we've, we've even got some pilots who
[4:47] Speaker 2: have said, you know, well, we do that.
[4:51] Speaker 1: Theater and actors. There's a science here. It's real. You know,
[4:58] Speaker 1: we're not the only ones who have studied it. We're
[5:00] Speaker 1: the only ones really right now taking it to this level.
[5:03] Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's taken it this far, but yeah, there's,
[5:06] Speaker 1: there's so much disinfo out there. And believe me, I,
[5:09] Speaker 1: I believed all of it. I was taken in by
[5:12] Speaker 1: all of it. From 2011 through 2014, I was 100%
[5:20] Speaker 1: taken in by it. However, discovering organite, that didn't delete
[5:24] Speaker 1: that narrative from my mind. I didn't know exactly why
[5:27] Speaker 1: the organite was working. The explanation I had from Kenrola
[5:31] Speaker 1: made the most sense, which is that it creates an
[5:33] Speaker 1: energetic vortex that knocks pollution out of the atmosphere. I
[5:36] Speaker 1: did see that happening, so that made total sense. But yeah,
[5:40] Speaker 1: it was just the depth of it was just not
[5:42] Speaker 1: being disclosed. And there was nobody who really knew it.
[5:46] Speaker 1: Even Wilhelm Reich himself had not finished his studies before they,
[5:50] Speaker 1: you know, put him in jail and killed him for
[5:51] Speaker 1: carrying cancer. So, you know, there's so much more to
[5:55] Speaker 1: learn here. And yeah, that definitely, it is an energetic,
[6:00] Speaker 1: it is an energetic problem with an energetic solution. And
[6:02] Speaker 1: that's the hardest part right now to get out there
[6:04] Speaker 1: because there's a massive suppression campaign against this.
[6:09] Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely.
[6:10] Speaker 2: The point is that people are spreading misinformation because, again,
[6:20] Speaker 2: in my research, and I know it's in the book
[6:25] Speaker 2: What Really Makes You Ill, that also came out in 2019,
[6:29] Speaker 2: so a similar time to your book.
[6:34] Speaker 3: When was Why in the World Are They Spraying? When
[6:36] Speaker 3: did that first come out? I can't remember.
[6:38] Speaker 2: Oh, gosh.
[6:39] Speaker 1: Because that was part of.
[6:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[6:43] Speaker 3: No, go on.
[6:43] Speaker 1: That was around... It was around 2011. I'm trying to
[6:47] Speaker 1: remember the exact date. I think it was around 2011.
[6:49] Speaker 2: Right.
[6:50] Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
[6:51] Speaker 2: I must have come across it soon after it came out.
[6:55] Speaker 2: You see, and again, I know it's a Michael Murphy
[6:58] Speaker 2: film and, like, Dane Wigginton and different people in there.
[7:02] Speaker 3: It was also, you know, it also involved G.
[7:04] Speaker 2: Edward Griffin, who, you know, is a well-respected... researcher and
[7:11] Speaker 2: it's not to say oh because he was in it
[7:13] Speaker 2: therefore we believe it is not that it's because he
[7:16] Speaker 2: had obviously looked at it and he.
[7:19] Speaker 3: He yeah as i say a well-respected.
[7:22] Speaker 2: Researcher and so if he'd looked into it and felt
[7:26] Speaker 2: there was something to it it was a okay this
[7:28] Speaker 2: is worth looking at because i know right they did
[7:31] Speaker 2: the what in the world did they spring and then
[7:33] Speaker 2: why and that the the who never came out um
[7:37] Speaker 2: as you know might get.
[7:38] Speaker 3: To but the It was pretty convincing.
[7:43] Speaker 2: And without going to Mount Shasta and testing the snow,
[7:48] Speaker 2: because that's what the scientists were doing. And as you say,
[7:57] Speaker 2: whether they found aluminium, barium, and strontium there, yes, maybe
[8:02] Speaker 2: they did. Is it proof that it came from the sky?
[8:05] Speaker 2: Because they were saying, oh, well, it had been pristine before.
[8:09] Speaker 2: But were they testing it for those materials before?
[8:14] Speaker 1: They weren't. They just started testing it, you know.
[8:16] Speaker 3: Well, that's it. So they don't have a baseline to
[8:20] Speaker 3: compare it to.
[8:21] Speaker 2: But they were putting it out as if it was
[8:23] Speaker 2: new because, you know, the snow was pristine before and
[8:27] Speaker 2: now it's now being polluted or contaminated. But as you say,
[8:32] Speaker 2: they didn't have a, you know, they hadn't been testing it.
[8:35] Speaker 3: So, yes, it's only.
[8:38] Speaker 2: You know, as we go along and find out more
[8:41] Speaker 2: that you kind of, okay, well, we have to look
[8:44] Speaker 2: at things differently. I mean, you know, as you say,
[8:46] Speaker 2: things that we put out and things change, we either, yeah,
[8:51] Speaker 2: we're always learning and adding to our body of knowledge.
[8:54] Speaker 2: And when you write a book, you find a point
[8:57] Speaker 2: at which you say, well, this is where I am
[8:59] Speaker 2: now and put it out and see where that goes.
[9:03] Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. It was convincing.
[9:04] Speaker 1: You know, you write what you know. And, you know,
[9:06] Speaker 1: I understand that because my blog was all about exactly this.
[9:12] Speaker 1: For the first year, my blog was all about bringing
[9:15] Speaker 1: awareness to chemtrails from this exact point of view. I
[9:18] Speaker 1: saw what in the world are they spraying? And I
[9:22] Speaker 1: respect G. Edward Griffin very much. He is an excellent researcher.
[9:25] Speaker 1: I've read his books, World Without Cancer and The Creature
[9:30] Speaker 1: from Jekyll Island. I've read both of those. He is
[9:33] Speaker 1: an excellent researcher. So yeah, it's very compelling that a
[9:37] Speaker 1: good researcher like him would back this up, although he
[9:39] Speaker 1: was stepping outside of his area of knowledge. So he
[9:43] Speaker 1: is a good researcher, but this is a very complex topic.
[9:47] Speaker 1: And it can only be understood from the energetic science
[9:49] Speaker 1: called ergonomy, which is the science Wilhelm Reich discovered. So
[9:53] Speaker 1: without that science, you really can't understand chemtrails because it's
[9:57] Speaker 1: being studied from a physical standpoint. as opposed to an
[10:00] Speaker 1: energetic standpoint. So I very much respect G.I.R.O. Griffin. However,
[10:05] Speaker 1: he was stepping out of his area of knowledge here.
[10:08] Speaker 1: I've spoken with both Michael Murphy and Dane Wigington. I
[10:11] Speaker 1: have spoken with both of them. They are both deeply
[10:16] Speaker 1: traumatized individuals. And they were very much in a very
[10:22] Speaker 1: dark place, both of them. You can even see a
[10:24] Speaker 1: video of me speaking with Michael Murphy on my old
[10:26] Speaker 1: Vimeo channel. It's still up. It's the Kembo on Vimeo.
[10:30] Speaker 1: I was interviewing him at an event. So you can
[10:32] Speaker 1: hear our exchange if you want to see it. Because
[10:35] Speaker 1: I was very open to helping these guys wake up. Like,
[10:40] Speaker 1: I know. I was concerned too, you know? I've spoken
[10:43] Speaker 1: with Dane. He gave me flyers for Geoengineering Watch. I
[10:45] Speaker 1: gave them out all over LA. So I definitely... wanted
[10:49] Speaker 1: to help them to understand there was a solution. As
[10:52] Speaker 1: soon as I figured out that it worked, you know,
[10:54] Speaker 1: did it enough to see it actually working, I got
[10:57] Speaker 1: in touch with Dane Wigington. I emailed him. And he
[11:02] Speaker 1: was not excited about it. He said, oh, that doesn't work. Well,
[11:05] Speaker 1: you have to experiment with it. You have to try
[11:06] Speaker 1: it out, you know. And it has to be done methodically.
[11:09] Speaker 1: From the get-go, I did it methodically. I recorded everything.
[11:12] Speaker 1: Most organite gifters don't. From the very first Organite we made,
[11:16] Speaker 1: I started keeping a journal of everything we did. And
[11:18] Speaker 1: I have to this day because I felt that somebody
[11:21] Speaker 1: needed to document it. Now, when I started, I didn't
[11:24] Speaker 1: know it would work. I wanted to try it and
[11:27] Speaker 1: see if it would work. I was open to it.
[11:30] Speaker 2: It did.
[11:30] Speaker 1: I just kept recording and recording and learning and learning.
[11:33] Speaker 1: And I would say by 2016, I had officially debunked
[11:39] Speaker 1: the geoengineering narrative. But it did take some time. It
[11:42] Speaker 1: wasn't something that happened immediately. I was still talking about
[11:45] Speaker 1: heavy metals and all of these things, but somehow organite worked.
[11:49] Speaker 1: Once we got down to the bottom of it, it
[11:51] Speaker 1: was all energetic. And we were being told that the
[11:54] Speaker 1: cause of all these problems was really just one of
[11:56] Speaker 1: the symptoms. As for finding metals in the environment, they
[12:00] Speaker 1: were not testing before. And the nanoparticles that are purported
[12:04] Speaker 1: to be in chemtrails cannot be detected by our instruments anyway.
[12:08] Speaker 1: So there are so many sources of aluminum, barium, and strontium.
[12:12] Speaker 1: in the environment and in our food and personal care products,
[12:16] Speaker 1: that people need to be aware that they might be
[12:19] Speaker 1: told this stuff is falling on them from the sky,
[12:21] Speaker 1: but they need to look more carefully at their diet
[12:24] Speaker 1: and nutrition and the personal care products they use because Dr.
[12:28] Speaker 1: Hulda Clark, who wrote the book, The Cure for All Diseases,
[12:31] Speaker 1: found aluminum, barium, and strontium in personal care products. So
[12:37] Speaker 1: we're getting this in our bodies, but If we're being
[12:40] Speaker 1: told it's coming from up there, but we're doing it
[12:41] Speaker 1: to ourselves, people are going to keep doing it to
[12:44] Speaker 1: themselves because they don't know. They think it's coming from
[12:47] Speaker 1: up there. This is one of the main tactics they use,
[12:51] Speaker 1: is to put the problem outside of us so there's
[12:53] Speaker 1: no solution. So for our health and for the environment,
[12:56] Speaker 1: they make it seem so insurmountable when in actuality, if
[13:00] Speaker 1: you just think about it, I mean, I've studied it
[13:02] Speaker 1: really hard. So you can read years and years of
[13:05] Speaker 1: my writing. I started Substack a little over a year ago.
[13:07] Speaker 1: I've been on Tumblr for 13 years. you can read
[13:11] Speaker 1: my writing and see that journey of discovery and the book,
[13:13] Speaker 1: it's a synopsis of all that. Um, and then you
[13:17] Speaker 1: could think for yourself about it. Well, what could I
[13:19] Speaker 1: be doing that would be putting this in my body? Um,
[13:22] Speaker 1: is there anything I can do? You know, and they
[13:25] Speaker 1: tell you that the pollution in the sky is being
[13:27] Speaker 1: done to you and there's nothing you can do. Well,
[13:29] Speaker 1: here's some, here's some really strong evidence. And I would
[13:32] Speaker 1: say proof that you can do something about that too.
[13:36] Speaker 2: Yes, that's really, uh, A great point that the kind
[13:41] Speaker 2: of scary stuff is out there. You can't do anything
[13:44] Speaker 2: about it. So it discourages people from looking at things
[13:47] Speaker 2: that they can do. In addition to the organite and that,
[13:51] Speaker 2: as you say, in personal care products, because that's something
[13:53] Speaker 2: I looked into as well, looked at the work of Dr.
[13:56] Speaker 2: Samuel Epstein, who wrote a book called Toxic Beauty. He
[14:00] Speaker 2: also wrote The Politics of Cancer. It's a huge volume,
[14:03] Speaker 2: you know, that put lots of years of study and
[14:07] Speaker 2: research into that. But also showing how products we're using
[14:13] Speaker 2: or products that a lot of people use on an
[14:15] Speaker 2: everyday basis because I've changed. I've learned and changed the
[14:21] Speaker 2: kinds of products I use. As you say, there's all
[14:23] Speaker 2: kinds of things in those products that people are not
[14:28] Speaker 2: encouraged to look at.
[14:32] Speaker 3: Or it's rarely talked about to look at.
[14:35] Speaker 2: So while they're worried about what's going on up there,
[14:39] Speaker 2: they're not doing a lot of the things that they
[14:41] Speaker 2: can do. And that's where I think our conversation's

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