# James Bartley | Alien Agendas, MILAB Abductions & Covert Ops, Reptilian Overlords

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 13 Sep 2026, 1 h 14 min.

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## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:04] Speaker 1: and weirder. And finally, it's going to be so weird
[0:08] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:10] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:14] Speaker 1: your host, Chris Matthew. Today, my guest is James Bartley.
[0:18] Speaker 1: Check out my films, Occult Louisiana's on Tubi, Doors of
[0:21] Speaker 1: Perception on Amazon Prime. I am booking guests for October.
[0:25] Speaker 1: If you have suggestions or you'd like to be a guest,
[0:27] Speaker 1: email me, forbiddenknowledgenews at gmail.com. Today I want to welcome
[0:32] Speaker 1: James Bartley. He is an internationally renowned UFO researcher who
[0:36] Speaker 1: has had numerous ET encounters and UFO sightings. He has
[0:41] Speaker 1: investigated UFOs and alien abductions for over 35 years. James, welcome.
[0:47] Speaker 1: How you doing?
[0:47] Speaker 2: I'm doing fine, Chris. Thanks for having me on.
[0:51] Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, man. I am looking forward to
[0:53] Speaker 1: sharing your experiences with alien abductions, UFO sightings. military abductions,
[0:59] Speaker 1: and all-around high-strange experiences. Although this is one of my
[1:03] Speaker 1: favorite topics to discuss, I do get a bit frustrated
[1:07] Speaker 1: with the lack of evidence and contradictions within the ufology space.
[1:12] Speaker 1: I want to believe. And when you factor in things
[1:15] Speaker 1: like reptilian encounters, super soldiers, 20 and back operations, and clones,
[1:21] Speaker 1: that's a whole new level of bonkers in my perspective.
[1:24] Speaker 1: But I have now heard hundreds of experiences, and there
[1:28] Speaker 1: are far too many for this to be psychosis or
[1:31] Speaker 1: just made-up stories. There's definitely something going on here.
[1:36] Speaker 2: What exactly?
[1:36] Speaker 1: I leave to you, the audience, to decide. But I
[1:39] Speaker 1: remain open-minded, consider all the possibilities. Before we get to
[1:43] Speaker 1: your story, tell us a little bit about yourself and
[1:46] Speaker 1: let the audience know how they can find more.
[1:49] Speaker 2: You can find me at thecosmicswitchboard.com. You can click on
[1:52] Speaker 2: the contact link and should be able to drop me
[1:55] Speaker 2: a message there and i'll be sure to get back
[1:57] Speaker 2: to you uh i was born a navy brat my
[2:00] Speaker 2: dad was a career navy man he served two tours
[2:04] Speaker 2: in vietnam in the brown brown water navy in little
[2:08] Speaker 2: patrol boats in the mekong delta and afterwards he served
[2:12] Speaker 2: on two aircraft carriers the uss coral sea and then
[2:16] Speaker 2: the ranger and then he retired and went to the
[2:17] Speaker 2: post office to finish out his federal service so i
[2:21] Speaker 2: grew up in a typical American Navy family. We moved
[2:26] Speaker 2: around from base to base. I lived in Corpus Christi, Texas.
[2:32] Speaker 2: That was where one of my, probably my first ET
[2:35] Speaker 2: experience took place circa 69 thereabouts. Because my dad at
[2:41] Speaker 2: the time was stationed at NAS Naval Air Station, Corpus Christi.
[2:44] Speaker 2: Also what's now known as Naval Air Facility, Kingsville, Texas.
[2:49] Speaker 2: We were living in that area when I had an
[2:51] Speaker 2: experience and I can explain that experience later. Then moved
[2:55] Speaker 2: to San Diego because my dad was posted there. Then
[2:59] Speaker 2: moved up to the San Francisco Bay Area because by
[3:03] Speaker 2: then my dad was stationed on board one of the
[3:05] Speaker 2: aircraft carriers that were parked there at Naval Air Station
[3:08] Speaker 2: Alameda and had a bunch of experiences in the San
[3:11] Speaker 2: Francisco Bay Area. And after my dad stint in Naval
[3:17] Speaker 2: Air Station Alameda on board the carriers, he knew he
[3:20] Speaker 2: was going to be posted to Naval Air Station Moffett,
[3:24] Speaker 2: further south, the northern end of Silicon Valley. And so
[3:29] Speaker 2: we moved there in 74. And my dad found a
[3:35] Speaker 2: house in San Jose, California. So it was a much
[3:38] Speaker 2: shorter commute, short distance up Highway 17 north to NES Moffett.
[3:43] Speaker 2: And if anyone's familiar with the geography there, and it's
[3:47] Speaker 2: now a federal airfield, but for a long time, it
[3:49] Speaker 2: was a naval air station. They used to keep the
[3:51] Speaker 2: huge dirigibles there. That's why when you're driving along the
[3:54] Speaker 2: freeway there, you see these gigantic hangers. That's where they
[3:58] Speaker 2: used to keep the dirigibles way back in the day.
[4:01] Speaker 2: According to Leonard Stringfield's research, they actually kept recovered alien
[4:06] Speaker 2: craft there at one point. And right there at Naval
[4:09] Speaker 2: Air Station Moffett, you have nearby the Blue Cube, the
[4:16] Speaker 2: NSA NRO satellite tracking facility. You have NASA Ames there.
[4:23] Speaker 2: You have Lockheed's Missile and Space Division, where they build
[4:28] Speaker 2: the spy satellites. The imagery and electronic eavesdropping satellites are
[4:34] Speaker 2: built right there at NASA Missile and Space Division, a
[4:38] Speaker 2: very spooky place. So that's where I grew up, San Jose, California,
[4:44] Speaker 2: and I had a lot of experiences there. Back then,
[4:47] Speaker 2: circa 1974. San Jose was basically a big orchard. If
[4:51] Speaker 2: you're familiar with Luther Burbank's work, gene splicing, creating all
[4:56] Speaker 2: these new vegetables and fruits back in the day, that
[4:58] Speaker 2: happened in San Jose. And it used to be just
[5:00] Speaker 2: a big orchard. But over time, urban sprawl, the development
[5:05] Speaker 2: of Silicon Valley, et cetera. But I had a lot
[5:07] Speaker 2: of experiences, which I can get into in San Jose.
[5:10] Speaker 2: And then come about 1991, I moved to San Diego,
[5:16] Speaker 2: the bottom of the state. And I became a member
[5:19] Speaker 2: in good standing of the San Diego UFO Society. And
[5:22] Speaker 2: I began networking with a bunch of other researchers and
[5:26] Speaker 2: conducted a lot of field investigations in the high desert
[5:28] Speaker 2: of Southern California, investigating reptilian and military abduction cases and
[5:33] Speaker 2: the like. So I can get in all that. But basically,
[5:36] Speaker 2: I've had experiences all my life, as well as psychic phenomena,
[5:40] Speaker 2: out-of-body experiences, precognitive dreams, that kind of thing.
[5:45] Speaker 1: Right on, man. Great introduction. Let's go back to your
[5:49] Speaker 1: earliest experiences. Were they in San Jose?
[5:54] Speaker 2: It was in Corpus Christi. I've told this story before,
[5:56] Speaker 2: but it bears repeating. It must have been in the
[6:00] Speaker 2: autumn or the winter because my mom, and this would
[6:03] Speaker 2: have been circa 69 thereabouts, I would have been four
[6:06] Speaker 2: and a half, five years old. My mom was in
[6:10] Speaker 2: the living room ironing my dad's navy blue Siemens uniform.
[6:15] Speaker 2: To me, it looks black, but they call it navy blue.
[6:18] Speaker 2: And so I know it was the autumn or the
[6:21] Speaker 2: winter because that was the uniform that the seamen, the
[6:25] Speaker 2: enlisted personnel wore that time of the year. They wear
[6:28] Speaker 2: the white unis in the summer months. So anyway, my
[6:32] Speaker 2: mom is out there ironing my dad's uniform. It's dusk.
[6:36] Speaker 2: I'm in my bedroom alone and I'm standing by the window.
[6:40] Speaker 2: I have this Venetian blinds there and I could see
[6:45] Speaker 2: in the waning sunlight coming through the Venetian blinds, I
[6:49] Speaker 2: can see these dust motes just hanging in the air.
[6:52] Speaker 2: And I was just looking at these dust motes, fascinated, really.
[6:56] Speaker 2: And then next thing you know, I sense the presence.
[7:00] Speaker 2: So I turn around and I see this little being
[7:03] Speaker 2: floating in midair. I would say height-wise, it was about three,
[7:09] Speaker 2: three and a half feet. I was a small child,
[7:13] Speaker 2: always have been kind of a small person. So, and
[7:16] Speaker 2: this thing floated. And so it was right parallel to
[7:20] Speaker 2: my height. And I wasn't frightened, but being a little
[7:26] Speaker 2: kid with my own, you know, meager possessions, toys, what
[7:30] Speaker 2: have you, I was very territorial, very possessive. I said,
[7:33] Speaker 2: what are you doing here? This is my room. This
[7:35] Speaker 2: is my stuff, right? I want you to leave, get
[7:38] Speaker 2: out of here. And then it started telling me things that,
[7:42] Speaker 2: you know, ETs have told many other people over the years.
[7:45] Speaker 2: That I'm going to be doing some kind of role
[7:47] Speaker 2: in the future, some kind of destiny to fulfill. I
[7:51] Speaker 2: wasn't having a bar of it. I just wanted the
[7:53] Speaker 2: thing out of my room.
[7:54] Speaker 1: Right.
[7:54] Speaker 2: I was being very territorial and it kept talking telepathically.
[7:59] Speaker 2: I could hear every word in my head. And then
[8:02] Speaker 2: I said to it, I'm going to tell my mom,
[8:04] Speaker 2: at which point it replied back to me, go ahead.
[8:06] Speaker 2: She won't see me anyway. And so I left the room,
[8:12] Speaker 2: went to the living room where my mom was ironing.
[8:14] Speaker 2: And I said, mom, there's a little man. That's what
[8:16] Speaker 2: I call them. A little man in the room. Come
[8:20] Speaker 2: see the little man in the room. And she couldn't
[8:23] Speaker 2: be bothered. She was ironing my dad's uniform. So I
[8:27] Speaker 2: got frustrated. Finally, I literally grabbed her by the elbow,
[8:32] Speaker 2: dragged her over to my bedroom door, flung the door open.
[8:35] Speaker 2: And of course, there was nothing there.
[8:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[8:38] Speaker 2: My mom storms off. I go back into the bedroom,
[8:43] Speaker 2: close the door, and the being reappears. If you've ever
[8:47] Speaker 2: seen the book by Katarina Wilson back in the day,
[8:53] Speaker 2: Alien Jigsaw Researcher's Supplement, there's a sketch in there of
[8:57] Speaker 2: a being she calls a type three gray. Actually, the
[9:02] Speaker 2: being that I saw was brown. It didn't have the
[9:05] Speaker 2: classic big inverted light bulb head, shaped head that the
[9:10] Speaker 2: grays commonly depicted as. It didn't have big eyes, had
[9:17] Speaker 2: slit for a mouth. Its skin was kind of contoured, uneven, right?
[9:24] Speaker 2: And it was brown. But the drawing in Katarina Wilson's
[9:30] Speaker 2: book described at least an outline, a type three gray. Now,
[9:34] Speaker 2: that's pretty much what I saw. except it wasn't gray.
[9:38] Speaker 2: It was brown. And further muddy the waters, for many years,
[9:42] Speaker 2: I told anyone who would listen about the little gray
[9:45] Speaker 2: man in my room. But with the benefit of hindsight,
[9:48] Speaker 2: and I'll get to how I came to this realization later,
[9:51] Speaker 2: it wasn't brown. But because it was dusk, I did
[9:54] Speaker 2: not have an artificial light on in the room, You know,
[9:58] Speaker 2: the waning sunlight coming in through the Venetian blinds, it
[10:01] Speaker 2: looked kind of gray to me, but with the benefit
[10:03] Speaker 2: of hindsight, it was more brown. So it talked to
[10:05] Speaker 2: me for a little bit longer and then it disappeared.
[10:09] Speaker 2: And then for years after that, by now, after that experience,
[10:12] Speaker 2: we moved to San Diego where my younger brother had
[10:16] Speaker 2: a horrific experience with a reptilian. That's a whole other story, right?
[10:19] Speaker 2: And then from there, we moved up to the San
[10:21] Speaker 2: Francisco Bay Area, like I mentioned. And so by now,
[10:26] Speaker 2: I'm in the first and second grade in Daly City,
[10:29] Speaker 2: right next to San Francisco. And I'm telling all my
[10:31] Speaker 2: friends about this little gray man I saw in my bedroom.
[10:34] Speaker 2: And back then, there wasn't the ridicule curtain that just
[10:37] Speaker 2: automatically came down whenever these subjects came up. I mean,
[10:41] Speaker 2: my peers, the kids my age, were pretty open-minded. And
[10:45] Speaker 2: silly me, I just assumed that Everyone had these experiences.
[10:49] Speaker 2: Everyone had strange psychic phenomena. Everyone had precognitive dreams. And
[10:54] Speaker 2: of course, I was disabused of that notion later. So
[10:58] Speaker 2: what happened then was kind of inexplicable. But I since
[11:01] Speaker 2: found out that other people have experienced the same thing.
[11:04] Speaker 2: That was a seminal experience in my life. And I
[11:07] Speaker 2: told everyone around me about it. And then mysteriously, I
[11:10] Speaker 2: forgot about it. I didn't say another word about it
[11:13] Speaker 2: for years.
[11:14] Speaker 1: Right. How did that interaction end? Did it give you
[11:16] Speaker 1: any other information? Did you converse anymore?
[11:20] Speaker 2: No, it was really just telling me before it disappeared,
[11:23] Speaker 2: it continued saying, I'm going to be doing something in
[11:27] Speaker 2: the future. That's important that I have a destiny to fill,
[11:31] Speaker 2: et cetera. Right. But, you know, my young boy mind,
[11:36] Speaker 2: I wasn't interested in any of that. And I've since learned,
[11:38] Speaker 2: of course, that they, ETs tell this to everybody. So
[11:41] Speaker 2: how special can I be?
[11:43] Speaker 1: Right.
[11:43] Speaker 2: So, so like it just dematerialized in front of me.
[11:47] Speaker 2: It just was there. And then it, well, first of all,
[11:51] Speaker 2: after my mom stormed off all angry, and then I
[11:55] Speaker 2: shut the door and it reappeared, it had an expression,
[11:59] Speaker 2: you know, with the benefit of hindsight, I can say this.
[12:02] Speaker 2: It had, even though it couldn't make facial expressions the
[12:06] Speaker 2: way you and I could, there was something about the
[12:09] Speaker 2: way it looked at me, almost as if I told
[12:12] Speaker 2: you so. I told you she wouldn't be able to
[12:14] Speaker 2: see me, right? And then it looked at me, talked
[12:17] Speaker 2: at me a little bit more telepathically. It was all telepathic.
[12:21] Speaker 2: And then it just disappeared. And then I just turned
[12:24] Speaker 2: the page and went on my, you know, whatever I
[12:26] Speaker 2: was doing in my bedroom playing. I didn't think nothing
[12:30] Speaker 2: about it, right? And then what happened, I'm going to
[12:34] Speaker 2: fast forward a little bit. It's going to, I'm going
[12:37] Speaker 2: to skip a lot of detail, which we can go
[12:39] Speaker 2: back to later, but circa 92, I'd moved to San Diego. Now,
[12:45] Speaker 2: I'd come back from Germany in 1990. I did a
[12:48] Speaker 2: summer language study program there, right on the bottom of
[12:56] Speaker 2: the Black Forest, southern Germany, right across the Rhine River
[13:00] Speaker 2: from Switzerland, and I mean, this is like Hansel and Gretel,
[13:05] Speaker 2: Grimm's Brothers kind of territory, right? And a very spooky place.
[13:11] Speaker 2: And the last couple of weeks I was there, I
[13:14] Speaker 2: was starting to get this creepy, crawly feeling of being
[13:16] Speaker 2: watched like it had happened to me many times when
[13:20] Speaker 2: I was younger to the point where I would actually
[13:23] Speaker 2: sleep with the lights on again, right? And then people
[13:25] Speaker 2: that knew me in town and some of the other
[13:28] Speaker 2: Americans that were there to likewise learn German they would
[13:33] Speaker 2: note that clear across the river on the Switzerland side,
[13:36] Speaker 2: because my room was at the very top of a
[13:40] Speaker 2: big guest house along the banks of the Rhine. And
[13:44] Speaker 2: so from across the river, they could see the light
[13:47] Speaker 2: on in my room in the middle of the night,
[13:49] Speaker 2: like a beacon, right? And they mentioned to me, oh,
[13:51] Speaker 2: you left your lights on last night. Well, the reason
[13:53] Speaker 2: I left them on was because I was getting a
[13:55] Speaker 2: creepy feeling of being watched again. And at this point,
[14:00] Speaker 2: I really didn't have a contextual conceptual framework to understand
[14:04] Speaker 2: a lot of the weird experiences, the nosebleeds, the missing time.
[14:09] Speaker 2: For a while, I felt I was being haunted, literally.
[14:11] Speaker 2: I felt I was being haunted. And so the last
[14:14] Speaker 2: couple of weeks in Germany, I was getting really spooked.
[14:19] Speaker 2: Right along the German side of the Rhine, there's a
[14:22] Speaker 2: stretch along the river side. There's like an esplanade there.
[14:27] Speaker 2: But then what they've done was they've taken the forest
[14:30] Speaker 2: and they fashioned this tunnel thing right so the foliage
[14:34] Speaker 2: the the brush and the trees they fashioned into a
[14:38] Speaker 2: big tunnel right so walking through in daylight it's no
[14:41] Speaker 2: big deal but when i got to the point a
[14:43] Speaker 2: couple of weeks before i was ready to go back
[14:45] Speaker 2: to california i started getting that creepy feeling at night
[14:50] Speaker 2: when i walked through that tunnel i didn't walk i
[14:52] Speaker 2: sprinted through it okay so that's kind of like leading
[14:56] Speaker 2: up to what happened next so eventually went back to
[15:00] Speaker 2: california san jose And then within a matter of a
[15:04] Speaker 2: few weeks, boom, boom, boom, I had a series of
[15:08] Speaker 2: ET experiences. On one occasion, I had a little gray
[15:12] Speaker 2: looking out of my TV at me. If you remember
[15:14] Speaker 2: in the old days, we didn't have the 24-7 satellite coverage.
[15:18] Speaker 2: After a while, the national anthem would play, color bars,
[15:23] Speaker 2: and then the snow. And then at one point, a
[15:28] Speaker 2: gray was looking at me. through the snow or the TV.
[15:31] Speaker 1: Right.
[15:31] Speaker 2: Uh, on another occasion, I just had inspiration to, uh, no,
[15:38] Speaker 2: you know, I won't, I won't drive my car today
[15:40] Speaker 2: because I used to, uh, go to, uh, San Jose
[15:43] Speaker 2: state university and do some courses in the morning. And
[15:46] Speaker 2: then after that, I had a student aid job at
[15:49] Speaker 2: the County of Santa Clara. So I would just go
[15:52] Speaker 2: from school straight to my job at the County. And
[15:55] Speaker 2: then from there, go home.
[15:56] Speaker 1: Right.
[15:57] Speaker 2: And, um, I could drive or I could take the
[16:00] Speaker 2: bus or the trolley. So for whatever reason, at the
[16:04] Speaker 2: last second, I said, no, no, I'll just, I'll take
[16:06] Speaker 2: the bus or the trolley today, just out of the blue.
[16:09] Speaker 2: And so that necessitated me leaving a little earlier and
[16:13] Speaker 2: it was dark and I stepped out into the front
[16:16] Speaker 2: yard and no sooner had I stepped out that this
[16:19] Speaker 2: egg-shaped black craft with a glowing, pulsating light in the
[16:24] Speaker 2: middle of it went from my left to the right
[16:27] Speaker 2: across the street, which years earlier at that exact same spot,
[16:31] Speaker 2: I'd seen a large reddish orange cigar shaped craft. So
[16:36] Speaker 2: this egg shaped black craft goes from left to right
[16:39] Speaker 2: across the street. And I'm just watching it and go, well, well,
[16:41] Speaker 2: that's interesting. Point of relevance was I wouldn't have seen
[16:44] Speaker 2: it if I decided I'd stuck to my original plan
[16:48] Speaker 2: of waiting a little later and getting into my car
[16:50] Speaker 2: and driving. Right. So it was like a stage managed thing.
[16:53] Speaker 2: And then this culminated. in a full blown waking encounter
[16:59] Speaker 2: in my bedroom with three reptilian grays. These are not
[17:04] Speaker 2: just grays that people commonly refer to, but they were
[17:08] Speaker 2: reptilian grays because they had flawed hands, what the late
[17:13] Speaker 2: great Dr. Carla Turner called chicken claws, right? I came
[17:18] Speaker 2: to consciousness. I went to sleep that night and I
[17:20] Speaker 2: was absolutely certain I turned the lights off and I
[17:26] Speaker 2: woke up and I found a gray by the side
[17:28] Speaker 2: of my bed, a gray at the foot of my
[17:31] Speaker 2: bed and a gray by the bedroom door. And they
[17:34] Speaker 2: had the black eyepieces over their regular eyes and they
[17:39] Speaker 2: had the clawed hands. No, not a finger with a
[17:43] Speaker 2: nail coming out of it, claws. And so I'm laying
[17:46] Speaker 2: in bed immobile and I'm looking at the reptilian gray
[17:51] Speaker 2: right by my bed. I'm looking down at the clawed hands, right?
[17:55] Speaker 2: And so I did what I did next was quite natural.
[17:58] Speaker 2: I just turned my head and I looked at the wall, right?
[18:02] Speaker 2: I was already in a state of paralysis because I
[18:04] Speaker 2: couldn't move my body. I could just move my head.
[18:07] Speaker 2: So I turned and looked at the wall and then
[18:11] Speaker 2: I turned to look back. They're still there, right? So
[18:14] Speaker 2: I'm not having a nightmare. There's something is really going on.
[18:17] Speaker 2: And then they brought in this hideous female being that
[18:22] Speaker 2: came in and try to do things to me, which
[18:23] Speaker 2: I won't get into, right? And then they took me
[18:28] Speaker 2: up into the ship. And the next thing I remember,
[18:31] Speaker 2: I had my head down. There was a reptilian grain
[18:36] Speaker 2: either side of me. If you want another description of
[18:41] Speaker 2: that type of being, read Dr. Carlos' book, Into the Fringe,
[18:45] Speaker 2: because she and my late mentor, Barbara Barthel, regressed a
[18:49] Speaker 2: neighbor they referred to as Fred in that book, Into
[18:52] Speaker 2: the Fringe. And he described the same kinds of beings,
[18:55] Speaker 2: except He described them as having like a red vest.
[18:58] Speaker 2: I saw like a blue vest that these guys were wearing.
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[20:26] Speaker 2: This experience, that would have been September 1990 when I
[20:30] Speaker 2: came back from Germany. I spent the whole summer there.
[20:32] Speaker 2: I was born in 64, 74, 84. That would have
[20:34] Speaker 2: been 26, if I do my math correctly, um, 26
[20:41] Speaker 2: or 24 to 24. And, um, so I'm being led along.
[20:46] Speaker 2: I don't know if my, you know, my toes are
[20:49] Speaker 2: scraping the ground, uh, the floor or I'm floating, but
[20:52] Speaker 2: at any rate, there's a gray on either side of
[20:55] Speaker 2: me and one in front of me. And we're going
[20:58] Speaker 2: down this long curving corridor.
[21:00] Speaker 1: Okay.
[21:02] Speaker 2: And then they, it'll, leads into like a big open room.
[21:11] Speaker 2: And I'm being led down what appears to be a
[21:14] Speaker 2: central aisle down the center of the room on either side.
[21:17] Speaker 2: Something was done to my vision because I could only
[21:22] Speaker 2: see a small distance in the periphery of my vision.
[21:30] Speaker 2: For some reason, I could only see like a few
[21:32] Speaker 2: feet either side of me. But as I'm going down
[21:35] Speaker 2: that aisle, I see what appear to be people, presumably
[21:41] Speaker 2: other people, laying in beds or in cots on either side.
[21:44] Speaker 2: So it's like some kind of mass abduction going on.
[21:47] Speaker 2: With the benefit of hindsight, I had time to think
[21:49] Speaker 2: about this. So I'm led down this aisle, get to
[21:55] Speaker 2: the end of it, and I'm placed on a table. Now,
[21:58] Speaker 2: there's nothing on the table that makes it unique. It
[22:01] Speaker 2: just looks like you know, like a masseuse's table almost, right?
[22:05] Speaker 2: And so I'm put on there. And then next thing
[22:08] Speaker 2: you know, I see like movement around me. I see
[22:10] Speaker 2: these little, I see glimpses and flashes of these little
[22:13] Speaker 2: tannish kind of beings. And I see a taller blue
[22:17] Speaker 2: skin being commonly referred to in many cases as the
[22:21] Speaker 2: doctor or the, you know, the head surgeon or whatever,
[22:24] Speaker 2: but it's an alien. And then what happened was I
[22:28] Speaker 2: was involuntarily made to start doing for lack of a
[22:34] Speaker 2: better term, all these stomach crunches where I'd be lying
[22:38] Speaker 2: on my tummy and I'd be bent back so far
[22:43] Speaker 2: back that the back of my head would be touching
[22:46] Speaker 2: my heels and I'd be grunting the whole time. And
[22:49] Speaker 2: then involuntarily I'd be flipped over on my back. And
[22:54] Speaker 2: then I'd be made to do all these stomach crunches. Right.
[22:58] Speaker 2: And nothing is touching me. There's no, mechanical device or,
[23:01] Speaker 2: or there's no aliens like bending and twisting me like
[23:04] Speaker 2: a masseuse. Somehow I was being made to do this
[23:08] Speaker 2: on my own, right. Involuntarily. And what happened was in
[23:12] Speaker 2: between grunts, cause it was painful what they were doing
[23:15] Speaker 2: to me. I asked that blue being like, what are
[23:17] Speaker 2: you doing to me?
[23:19] Speaker 1: Right.
[23:20] Speaker 2: And it said, we're taking your energy, which didn't make
[23:23] Speaker 2: sense to me at the time.
[23:25] Speaker 1: Right.
[23:26] Speaker 2: And then the next, uh, Well, then they returned me eventually.
[23:30] Speaker 2: I don't remember how it really ended. I just remember
[23:34] Speaker 2: waking up in bed in a state of terror, right?
[23:37] Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you before you continue. Was this
[23:41] Speaker 1: a physical experience, meaning were you in your body or
[23:47] Speaker 1: were you having an out-of-body type experience?
[23:50] Speaker 2: That one was in my body, but yes, I've had
[23:54] Speaker 2: astral abductions. When I've been taken out of my body
[23:57] Speaker 2: by what I believe to be aliens, but also there
[23:59] Speaker 2: were times when deep black elements of the military, I'm
[24:02] Speaker 2: convinced they have a means of taking our consciousness out
[24:06] Speaker 2: of our physical body. So anyway, what happened was I was,
[24:10] Speaker 2: I was returned. I woke up just in a state
[24:13] Speaker 2: of terror and I promised my friend Dave that his
[24:19] Speaker 2: car was in the shop. So I said, okay, I'll
[24:22] Speaker 2: pick you up tomorrow and take you to work. Right now.
[24:25] Speaker 2: On that particular occasion, you know how they would have
[24:28] Speaker 2: the street sweepers come by and they'd leave these circuiters
[24:32] Speaker 2: and make sure your cars are in the garage up
[24:35] Speaker 2: on the driveway, right? So on that particular occasion, the
[24:41] Speaker 2: street sweepers were going to come. There was not a
[24:46] Speaker 2: single other car in the whole street on my friend
[24:49] Speaker 2: Dave's house. And that just added to the sense of
[24:51] Speaker 2: isolation and terror. I'm sitting there. I'm back in the
[24:55] Speaker 2: mundane world. I'm waiting for Dave to come out. I'm
[24:58] Speaker 2: just terrified. There's no other cars. I feel like I'm alone.
[25:02] Speaker 2: Then Dave finally comes out. The first thing I say
[25:04] Speaker 2: to him is I had a horrible nightmare. I just
[25:07] Speaker 2: kept repeating that the whole time. He kept asking me, well,
[25:10] Speaker 2: tell me about it. I just couldn't. I just said
[25:12] Speaker 2: I just had a horrible nightmare. I dropped him off
[25:16] Speaker 2: of work. Long and short of it was that experience
[25:19] Speaker 2: compelled me to to read as much as i could
[25:24] Speaker 2: about the subject because i knew what had happened i'd
[25:27] Speaker 2: had some kind of weird alien encounter and uh so
[25:30] Speaker 2: i started driving like about a 40 45 minute drive
[25:34] Speaker 2: from my home in north san jose all the way
[25:39] Speaker 2: to the east side east side san jose to the
[25:41] Speaker 2: east ridge mall because if you remember there was a
[25:45] Speaker 2: book chain called b dalton's back back then and so Uh,
[25:50] Speaker 2: they had a pretty good section of UFOs and alien abductions.
[25:53] Speaker 2: So I kept going back there and I basically cleaned
[25:56] Speaker 2: out all their books, right? Uh, the last book that
[26:00] Speaker 2: I got from that place, the only book that I
[26:03] Speaker 2: hadn't read yet was communion. And see, you go back
[26:07] Speaker 2: a couple of years or several years by then when
[26:10] Speaker 2: communion first came out, there was something about the cover
[26:14] Speaker 2: of that book that terrified.
[26:16] Speaker 1: Me, right?
[26:17] Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, like to the point where if I
[26:19] Speaker 2: saw a display of the communion book outside of B. Dalton's,
[26:23] Speaker 2: I'd go clear across the other side of the mall
[26:26] Speaker 2: just to avoid having to walk by that thing, right?
[26:29] Speaker 2: But that was the last book I hadn't read yet.
[26:31] Speaker 2: So I had to get it, right? So I went
[26:33] Speaker 2: back there to East Bridge Mall, B. Dalton's, got the book,
[26:36] Speaker 2: read it, right? And so that was really how I started.
[26:40] Speaker 2: I've always been interested in UFOs, paranormal, the Bermuda Triangle, right?
[26:44] Speaker 2: Always had an interest in Greek mythology. But like I said,
[26:49] Speaker 2: all the experiences, all the nosebleeds, all the UFO-related dreams
[26:53] Speaker 2: I had in the early and mid-' 70s, all the out-of-body experiences,
[26:58] Speaker 2: and I actually escaped from a near abduction in the late-' 70s, early-' 80s.
[27:03] Speaker 2: I actually ran away from a flying object in the
[27:06] Speaker 2: middle of the night back home. I don't know if
[27:08] Speaker 2: I suffered any missing time or what. But back then,
[27:11] Speaker 2: I had no conceptual framework. But after that experience that
[27:16] Speaker 2: I described to you, where I woke up and I
[27:18] Speaker 2: saw the three reptilian greys, there was no denying it.
[27:22] Speaker 2: I had to learn everything I could. Otherwise, the fear
[27:26] Speaker 2: would have consumed me.
[27:28] Speaker 1: So you have a military background, military family. A common
[27:34] Speaker 1: theme that I find with abductees and even people who
[27:38] Speaker 1: have very odd paranormal experiences from a young age is
[27:42] Speaker 1: many of them seem to have military backgrounds or from
[27:46] Speaker 1: military families, intelligence families. Do you think that there's some
[27:51] Speaker 1: kind of connection there? Absolutely.
[27:54] Speaker 2: Because as a Navy dependent, my blood work, my DNA
[28:00] Speaker 2: profile was an open book to the surface level Navy,
[28:05] Speaker 2: as well as the deep black elements of Naval intelligence
[28:09] Speaker 2: deeply involved in this. And I've since found out after
[28:13] Speaker 2: my dad's passing because he was so taciturn and so
[28:16] Speaker 2: tight-lipped about his time in the military. Like I said,
[28:20] Speaker 2: he did two tours in Vietnam in the Brown Water Navy.
[28:23] Speaker 2: And he was not only used, I mean, his day
[28:27] Speaker 2: job or night job, if you will, was interdicting NVA,
[28:32] Speaker 2: VC supply lines, inserting, extracting Navy SEALs, Australian SAS. And
[28:37] Speaker 2: then on top of that, there were these covert intelligence
[28:39] Speaker 2: gathering missions, which He went on, which I didn't find
[28:42] Speaker 2: out about until much later, almost before he died. I
[28:45] Speaker 2: didn't even know he was involved in that kind of thing, right?
[28:49] Speaker 2: And so there was that element also. But because I
[28:54] Speaker 2: was a dependent, because the Navy had access to my
[28:57] Speaker 2: blood work, they had a very good idea of, in
[29:01] Speaker 2: my view, there's probably genetic markers that identify people as
[29:06] Speaker 2: having these kinds of experiences. And also- I'm satisfied and
[29:11] Speaker 2: have been for some time that there is some kind
[29:15] Speaker 2: of collusion between deep black elements of the military industrial
[29:19] Speaker 2: complex and non-human life forms. And if you look at
[29:26] Speaker 2: the Dan Sherman case, if you're familiar with that case
[29:28] Speaker 2: where he was intuitive communicator for the Air Force Security Service,
[29:33] Speaker 2: he was in comms telepathically. He was trained to telepathically
[29:37] Speaker 2: communicate with Zeta, particularly. in grays. And then they would
[29:41] Speaker 2: send him the number designation, identifying anonymously a particular abductee,
[29:48] Speaker 2: as well as the latitude and longitude and the time
[29:52] Speaker 2: of where the abductee was abducted and returned to, right?
[29:56] Speaker 2: And what time that happened. And Dan Sherman realized that, geez,
[30:02] Speaker 2: all these communications I'm getting all relate to, every single
[30:06] Speaker 2: one of them relates to an individual who's being abducted. Now,
[30:09] Speaker 2: the way I look at it is by process of elimination,
[30:13] Speaker 2: statistical probability, at least some of those people were my labs,
[30:18] Speaker 2: were having military abduction experiences. And that was in the
[30:21] Speaker 2: early 70s that Dan Sherman found himself in that program.
[30:26] Speaker 2: So with the benefit of hindsight, a lot of research,
[30:30] Speaker 2: I'm satisfied by that time. They would have had a
[30:32] Speaker 2: good handle. If they didn't get the intel directly from
[30:36] Speaker 2: the Zetas and other ETs they were working with, they
[30:39] Speaker 2: would have found the means genetically to identify those having
[30:42] Speaker 2: these experiences. Because within the DNA of my labs, military abductees,
[30:49] Speaker 2: there are latent metaphysical capabilities, powers, for lack of a
[30:53] Speaker 2: better term. In my case, especially in the old days,
[30:58] Speaker 2: not so much now, I've had talentless precognitive dreams and
[31:01] Speaker 2: right off the bat when you have precognitive dreams you
[31:04] Speaker 2: know that time isn't cracked up the way it's supposed
[31:07] Speaker 2: to be there's there's it's not you know linear i
[31:10] Speaker 2: mean there's there's the fluidity to it which i can't
[31:13] Speaker 2: really wrap my mind around it at the moment also
[31:16] Speaker 2: i had talentless out-of-body experiences and i'm certain circa i
[31:21] Speaker 2: would have been a sophomore in high school this would
[31:23] Speaker 2: have been uh you know 77 78 thereabouts There was
[31:29] Speaker 2: a lot of out-of-body experiences I had, some of which
[31:31] Speaker 2: I now know were induced by the aliens themselves in
[31:35] Speaker 2: order to get me to come to grips with the
[31:37] Speaker 2: fact that I'm more than a physical body, right? And
[31:41] Speaker 2: so an alien abduction experience encompasses the gamut of human experience.
[31:48] Speaker 2: It's not only the typical, quote-unquote, physical abductions, medical procedures, etc.,
[31:56] Speaker 2: There are things done to you in your astral dreamscape.
[31:58] Speaker 2: You have stage managed dreams, highly symbolic. You have astral experiences,
[32:03] Speaker 2: astral abductions. And in my case, like I said, these
[32:08] Speaker 2: ETs were compelling me to have out-of-body experiences to the
[32:12] Speaker 2: point where if I didn't stay out for a certain
[32:15] Speaker 2: length of time, I'd never get back in my body,
[32:17] Speaker 2: never get to sleep. Because I tried. There were times
[32:20] Speaker 2: when I was out of my body. I was freaking out.
[32:22] Speaker 2: I wanted to get in back to my body. I
[32:24] Speaker 2: just couldn't do it. And this compelled me to go
[32:27] Speaker 2: out and read Robert Monroe's books because he developed techniques
[32:30] Speaker 2: of how to come back to his body. So back
[32:33] Speaker 2: then we didn't have the internet as you know. So
[32:36] Speaker 2: I've always been something of a reader. So my way
[32:39] Speaker 2: of coming to grips and getting a handle on all
[32:41] Speaker 2: this was just to read incessantly anything I could find
[32:45] Speaker 2: about the subjects, including astral antibody experiences.
[32:50] Speaker 1: After all your experiences where you're at today, What are
[32:54] Speaker 1: your thoughts on the true nature of these beings? Have
[32:57] Speaker 1: you had mostly negative experiences? Were there any positive? I've
[33:04] Speaker 1: interviewed so many contactees and abductees with such a spectrum
[33:08] Speaker 1: of experiences, but the negative ones are so intrusive and
[33:15] Speaker 1: seem to go deeply against our free will that but
[33:19] Speaker 1: even the positive ones have elements of that as well.
[33:24] Speaker 1: And many of them seem deceptive in many ways. I
[33:28] Speaker 1: have heard just as many positive as negative experiences, maybe
[33:33] Speaker 1: even more. What are your thoughts on the true nature
[33:35] Speaker 1: of these beings and what do they want from humanity?
[33:41] Speaker 2: I can only speak for myself and also, uh, others
[33:46] Speaker 2: I've spoken to that have a similar understanding or mindset
[33:50] Speaker 2: about this. I believe that not only are we being
[33:55] Speaker 2: tracked multi-generationally in our bloodlines, because it turns out that
[34:01] Speaker 2: my aunt had experiences, going back to the old countries,
[34:05] Speaker 2: my family trees had a lot of these types of supernatural,
[34:08] Speaker 2: paranormal type experiences. But I think there's an element of
[34:14] Speaker 2: karmic intrusions, karmic intervention, because not only do they seem
[34:21] Speaker 2: to track us and have an interest in us in
[34:25] Speaker 2: our prior earthly incarnations, but they seem to have an
[34:31] Speaker 2: understanding and a recognition of us when we have had past,
[34:38] Speaker 2: what I call past parallel incarnations, as what we would
[34:42] Speaker 2: call an alien. Because I'm absolutely convinced that some of
[34:45] Speaker 2: us had incarnations, lives, if you will, in other worlds,
[34:53] Speaker 2: on other star systems. And we were what you would
[34:57] Speaker 2: call an alien from our perspective, right? So I think
[35:02] Speaker 2: that that dynamic plays into this, where at some level,
[35:08] Speaker 2: some of us have decided to be, for lack of
[35:10] Speaker 2: a better term, boots on the ground. That we... I mean,
[35:13] Speaker 2: you always hear about people talking and this really plays
[35:17] Speaker 2: out like in a new agey kind of way. Like, oh,
[35:20] Speaker 2: you volunteered for this. It's not all bad. And you're
[35:23] Speaker 2: here to do this kind of spiritual grid work or whatever, right?
[35:27] Speaker 2: But I do believe that some of us have had
[35:29] Speaker 2: incarnations in other worlds, in our plane of existence, in
[35:33] Speaker 2: our dimension and in other dimensions. And for whatever reason,
[35:37] Speaker 2: we decided to go through the, rinse-repeat cycle of reincarnation
[35:43] Speaker 2: here on Earth, eventually to find ourselves where we are
[35:47] Speaker 2: at now. Because I'm satisfied I've had other incarnations as
[35:54] Speaker 2: what we would call an alien, right? In other worlds.
[35:57] Speaker 2: And these beings seem to know all this about us,
[36:00] Speaker 2: particularly the negative beings, right? They seem to have a
[36:03] Speaker 2: very good understanding of who we were, our families, our
[36:07] Speaker 2: past lives on Earth and elsewhere. And they And sometimes
[36:11] Speaker 2: when we encounter beings that I would regard as being
[36:14] Speaker 2: benevolent or at least neutral, sometimes it seems there's a
[36:18] Speaker 2: certain amount of deference where they don't perceive us or
[36:21] Speaker 2: look at us as if we're some kind of lowly human.
[36:25] Speaker 2: They look at us and regard us as they see
[36:29] Speaker 2: us in our totality. We're the sum of all of
[36:31] Speaker 2: our parts. So they don't see James as James the abductee.
[36:35] Speaker 2: They kind of remember me, some of them, as an alien,
[36:38] Speaker 2: for lack of a better term. And I know that
[36:40] Speaker 2: sounds corny and far-fetched for a lot of people, but
[36:44] Speaker 2: the soul matrix is immortal. We don't just go away
[36:49] Speaker 2: after we die, as you know. And I'm satisfied that
[36:53] Speaker 2: many of us have had incarnations on other worlds as
[36:57] Speaker 2: other types of beings. So it's kind of a long-winded,
[37:00] Speaker 2: convoluted response to your question. Because I know of cases
[37:06] Speaker 2: where the military had interrogated this one woman that I
[37:12] Speaker 2: met years ago. I think she's since passed away. But
[37:16] Speaker 2: they abducted her and interrogate her on one occasion, not
[37:21] Speaker 2: about her ongoing alien encounters, although they would interrogate her
[37:26] Speaker 2: about that too on occasion. They were particularly interested in
[37:31] Speaker 2: her most previous incarnation as a German in World War II, right?
[37:37] Speaker 2: So there's these elements that keep coming up. I describe
[37:45] Speaker 2: these kinds of people as quick turnarounds. I was one
[37:47] Speaker 2: of them, where we either lived prior to, during, or
[37:51] Speaker 2: expired shortly after World War II. And then whammo, we
[37:54] Speaker 2: come back. I came back as the last of the
[37:57] Speaker 2: baby boomers, November 1964. played a formative role in my
[38:10] Speaker 2: understanding of my development, being obsessed with Greek mythology, obsessed
[38:14] Speaker 2: with military history and World War II in particular. And
[38:17] Speaker 2: then you fast forward into my life. I'm a Navy brat.
[38:23] Speaker 2: I later get a job as a civilian working in
[38:27] Speaker 2: communications for Naval Air Force's Pacific Fleet, the command center
[38:31] Speaker 2: there at Naval Air Station San Diego, right?
[38:34] Speaker 1: So.
[38:37] Speaker 2: I couldn't get away from it if I wanted to, right?
[38:40] Speaker 2: Because there were certain factors at play. I'm not saying
[38:44] Speaker 2: that we don't have any free will and we're just
[38:46] Speaker 2: kind of buffeted by the eddies and flows of life, right?
[38:50] Speaker 2: But I do believe there is some kind of a
[38:53] Speaker 2: comprehensive plan at work for many of us that we
[38:57] Speaker 2: wind up in certain key places, scenario situations, which helps
[39:04] Speaker 2: us to develop a better understanding of who and what
[39:06] Speaker 2: we are. And I think that was definitely the case
[39:09] Speaker 2: with me.
[39:10] Speaker 1: Are there different factions that have different ideas or goals
[39:17] Speaker 1: for what they want from humanity? A lot of the
[39:20] Speaker 1: military-involved abductions seem very nefarious. Some of the experimentation done,
[39:27] Speaker 1: the hybridization phenomena that many abduct report on a lot
[39:32] Speaker 1: of it does seem to be very anti-human even what
[39:36] Speaker 1: you said earlier how they were taking your energy whenever
[39:40] Speaker 1: they were making you do those exercises yes it's also
[39:44] Speaker 1: that they harvest some kind of energy from us so
[39:48] Speaker 1: are there different factions Yes.
[39:51] Speaker 2: They were activating my chakras. And I found that I
[39:53] Speaker 2: didn't even know the term chakras was at the time.
[39:56] Speaker 2: But later when I was a member of the San
[39:57] Speaker 2: Diego UFO Society, I told my friend, the founder, Sean Atlanta,
[40:01] Speaker 2: about that experience. He said, it sounds like they're activating
[40:03] Speaker 2: your chakras. I had to look that up. I didn't
[40:04] Speaker 2: know what chakras were.
[40:05] Speaker 1: Right.
[40:06] Speaker 2: But, you know, just making me do all the flexes
[40:08] Speaker 2: and crunches.
[40:09] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[40:09] Speaker 2: It's a benefit of hindsight. Definitely. I do believe that
[40:15] Speaker 2: there's been a longstanding hybridization agenda and We hear a
[40:20] Speaker 2: lot about this, the work of David Jacobs in particular,
[40:23] Speaker 2: but he looks at it more from the perspective of
[40:26] Speaker 2: the gray hybridization agenda. I look at it from the
[40:29] Speaker 2: perspective of the reptilian hybridization agenda. After the last series
[40:36] Speaker 2: of celestially driven cataclysms, which was only 9,000 to 12,000
[40:41] Speaker 2: years ago, a blink of an eye in geological time,
[40:44] Speaker 2: and we're right on the cusp of all these cyclical,
[40:47] Speaker 2: celestial-driven cataclysms again. I believe this is one of the
[40:51] Speaker 2: reasons why the powers that be, aliens, most of all, reptilians,
[40:55] Speaker 2: are accelerating their timetable because there's going to be things
[40:59] Speaker 2: that maybe they can't even control coming down the pike.
[41:02] Speaker 2: So in the wake of the last series of celestial-driven cataclysms,
[41:07] Speaker 2: there was much less people on the surface for them
[41:11] Speaker 2: to deal with. Most had died out, right? You had
[41:14] Speaker 2: pockets of survivors here and there. So what these reptilians
[41:17] Speaker 2: and other beings did was they began hybridizing the survivors,
[41:22] Speaker 2: some of the survivors, and they created these hybrid variants
[41:27] Speaker 2: between themselves and humans, reptilian-human hybrids. They created an elite
[41:32] Speaker 2: of astronomer-priest, if you will, to lay down the dogmas, taboos,
[41:37] Speaker 2: the laws, etc. And at the same time, there was
[41:41] Speaker 2: this effort to wipe out a lot of the native
[41:45] Speaker 2: species types of uh spirituality a lot of the uh
[41:50] Speaker 2: matriarchal uh spiritual systems were systematically wiped out over time
[41:55] Speaker 2: right replaced by this harsh reptilian uh patriarchy and of
[42:02] Speaker 2: course we see the inverse of that today with this
[42:04] Speaker 2: horrific you know latest wave of feminism and it's like
[42:07] Speaker 2: they're trying to turn themselves into the men they hate
[42:10] Speaker 2: that's that's a whole nother reptilian story there but What
[42:14] Speaker 2: they've done was they've created this elite that I'm sure
[42:17] Speaker 2: you're familiar with of these reptilian-human hybrids. And you always
[42:21] Speaker 2: see these surface-level truthers saying, oh, yeah, aliens, reptilians, show
[42:26] Speaker 2: us the Epstein files. Why don't you, right? Well, they
[42:29] Speaker 2: did show you the Epstein files. And what do the
[42:32] Speaker 2: Epstein files depict? Cannibalism. Genetic engineering. Juliet Bryant saw Jeffrey
[42:40] Speaker 2: Epstein shape-shift into a reptilian, right? Right. during sex, which
[42:44] Speaker 2: is a very common event. I've heard this, yeah. Yes,
[42:50] Speaker 2: a very common event. And so right there, that glimpse
[42:54] Speaker 2: just into the Epstein files shows what the reptilian hybridization
[42:58] Speaker 2: agenda is all about. They maneuver by hook and crook
[43:03] Speaker 2: over centuries, over millennia, these reptilian Draco hybrids into positions
[43:10] Speaker 2: of influence and power to the point where today they
[43:12] Speaker 2: control media, they control high finance, et cetera. I've always
[43:17] Speaker 2: referred to them as the reptilian hybrid plantation managers, you know,
[43:21] Speaker 2: the Hillary's and all, you know, the George Soros interesting.
[43:25] Speaker 2: And in Greek Soros is spelled S A U R
[43:28] Speaker 2: O S. He just changed the spelling, but Soros means lizard. Right?
[43:33] Speaker 2: So there you go. So there's no doubt in my
[43:36] Speaker 2: mind that what we're seeing today is What's being force
[43:40] Speaker 2: fed to us and normalized? The pedophilia, the cannibalism, the
[43:46] Speaker 2: spirit cooking, the celebrity worship, the open pagan rituals being
[43:55] Speaker 2: played out in the Super Bowl halftimes, et cetera. All
[43:59] Speaker 2: that has to do with this reptilian human hybrid control system.
[44:03] Speaker 2: So we live in a planet that is within a
[44:06] Speaker 2: reptilian sphere of influence. And there's no telling how much
[44:10] Speaker 2: of the rest of the solar system they control or
[44:13] Speaker 2: the rest of the galaxy. They probably control lots of
[44:16] Speaker 2: places in our physical universe, right? So the reptilians have
[44:22] Speaker 2: a number of cosmic vassals and allies that they work with.
[44:25] Speaker 2: They genetically engineer clones to do a lot of their work.
[44:30] Speaker 2: A lot of the greys and what have you are
[44:33] Speaker 2: genetically engineered clones. cybernetic organisms, if you will, that does
[44:38] Speaker 2: a lot of the heavy lifting, a lot of the
[44:40] Speaker 2: medical experimentation. And I'm satisfied by this time because you
[44:43] Speaker 2: brought up the military aspect to it. And as a
[44:46] Speaker 2: young boy, I was shunted from one, what I now
[44:50] Speaker 2: know to be military mind control center to another. My
[44:54] Speaker 2: parents were dutiful, patriotic Navy parents. And if anyone's familiar
[45:00] Speaker 2: with the uniform code of military justice, when a high-ranking doctor,
[45:07] Speaker 2: either a 04, 05, or 06, in Navy terms, that'd
[45:12] Speaker 2: be like a lieutenant commander, commander, captain, captain to be
[45:17] Speaker 2: equivalent to a colonel in the Air Force or the Army.
[45:20] Speaker 2: When they say to a lowly seaman, enlisted man like
[45:23] Speaker 2: my dad, you will bring your son to this medical
[45:27] Speaker 2: facility for specialist clinical work. You will give him these
[45:31] Speaker 2: pills prior to bringing him to these appointments so he
[45:36] Speaker 2: doesn't get car sick, because that was the excuse, right?
[45:40] Speaker 2: So I would be basically narcotized, drugged out, had so
[45:45] Speaker 2: much missing time going from one medical, naval or army
[45:51] Speaker 2: facility to another. And like I said, my parents were
[45:55] Speaker 2: oblivious to all this. All they know is that their
[45:58] Speaker 2: son is having these health issues. And because I was
[46:02] Speaker 2: a dependant, Naturally, they took me to military doctors, right?
[46:06] Speaker 2: But I didn't realize until much later that that's how
[46:09] Speaker 2: I was plugged in really into the whole MyLab scenario.
[46:14] Speaker 2: Then decades later, I'd find myself undergoing individual or group
[46:19] Speaker 2: training with other MyLabs. Some of them were personal friends
[46:23] Speaker 2: of mine having similar experiences. And we'd be trained in survival, foraging,
[46:30] Speaker 2: escape and evasion, that kind of thing. a lot of
[46:33] Speaker 2: us found ourselves in some of these strange experiences, either
[46:36] Speaker 2: astrally or physically, in what seemed to be these war
[46:39] Speaker 2: zones around the world, right? So a lot of us
[46:43] Speaker 2: had been utilized as operational assets by these deep black
[46:48] Speaker 2: elements of the military. And in my particular case, it
[46:50] Speaker 2: was naval intelligence. And we were investigating a naval intelligence
[46:55] Speaker 2: underground facility in Apple Valley beneath a mountain. What they
[47:00] Speaker 2: did was In order to get the homesteaders off this mountain,
[47:04] Speaker 2: they burned them off. Where have you heard that before? Nowadays,
[47:08] Speaker 2: everyone talks about DEWs and DEWs and directed energy weapons. Well,
[47:13] Speaker 2: something like that happened to the denizens atop this mountain.
[47:18] Speaker 2: They literally burned them off. And then even before the
[47:22] Speaker 2: smoke had cleared, they erected a cyclone fence with barbed
[47:26] Speaker 2: wire on top and they put military equipment. personnel with
[47:29] Speaker 2: steel helmets and automatic weapons guarding the perimeter. But beneath
[47:34] Speaker 2: that is a large naval intelligence slash reptilian base that
[47:40] Speaker 2: myself and my colleagues had been taken to a number
[47:42] Speaker 2: of times in the 90s and the early 2000s. So
[47:48] Speaker 2: I didn't realize at the time that all that was
[47:50] Speaker 2: a continuation of what I had undergone as a young
[47:53] Speaker 2: boy being shunted to places like Oak Knoll Naval Medical
[47:57] Speaker 2: Center in Oakland, California, notorious mind control place. The Presidio,
[48:03] Speaker 2: Letterman General Army Hospital in the Presidio. I was taken there,
[48:08] Speaker 2: had a missing time experience there. So what you mentioned
[48:12] Speaker 2: factors into all this because the deep black elements of
[48:15] Speaker 2: the military, as well as some of these alien groups,
[48:18] Speaker 2: they regard some of these aliens slash my labs as
[48:22] Speaker 2: operational assets that they feel they can utilize and exploit.
[48:26] Speaker 2: anytime and i'm not one of those people that regard
[48:29] Speaker 2: myself as something like a super soldier frankly i'm offended
[48:33] Speaker 2: by that that terminology because it puts a fine gloss
[48:38] Speaker 2: over all the horrific abuse the mind control the torture
[48:42] Speaker 2: right the human trafficking right there's nothing super or glamorous
[48:47] Speaker 2: about that and i'm not a soldier i didn't sign
[48:50] Speaker 2: up for this right so You know, I'm just really
[48:54] Speaker 2: just put off by that whole term. But anyway, I digress.
[48:58] Speaker 1: Now, I've done a few episodes recently on MKUltra and
[49:03] Speaker 1: the GATE program. I've also interviewed many people who have
[49:07] Speaker 1: claimed to be in these MyLab secret space programs. There
[49:12] Speaker 1: seems to be quite the overlap with those two programs,
[49:18] Speaker 1: mind control, drugging. torture, abuse, and even experiences with non-human entities.
[49:25] Speaker 1: There are overlapping threads.
[49:28] Speaker 2: Absolutely. In that facility, underground facility in the Apple Valley
[49:33] Speaker 2: that we were doing a lot of field investigations at,
[49:37] Speaker 2: the reptilians... I don't know if they already always lived
[49:40] Speaker 2: there and then the Navy decided to build an installation
[49:43] Speaker 2: adjacent to theirs, but there was some degree of collusion.
[49:47] Speaker 2: A dear friend of mine who was featured in the,
[49:51] Speaker 2: I think it was Monsters and Mysteries in America about
[49:55] Speaker 2: her reptilian and military experiences. On one occasion, this reptilian
[50:01] Speaker 2: that had become like enamored with her, and we hear
[50:03] Speaker 2: this a lot of these reptilians sexually assaulting human women, right?
[50:09] Speaker 2: And so in her case, this reptilian came back, sexually
[50:14] Speaker 2: assaulted her. And what happens sometimes when these reptilians sexually
[50:19] Speaker 2: assault a woman, they're able to engender powerful full-body orgasms,
[50:24] Speaker 2: which at times can last for hours, leaving the woman
[50:28] Speaker 2: totally exhausted and debilitated. A byproduct of that is for
[50:33] Speaker 2: a certain period of time, hours, days, or even a
[50:36] Speaker 2: week or so, their psi abilities become very enhanced because
[50:41] Speaker 2: of the Kundalini rising effect and how that activates or
[50:47] Speaker 2: enhances for a time her psychic abilities. So no sooner
[50:51] Speaker 2: had this reptilian left that had raped her than the military,
[50:56] Speaker 2: the Navy, teleported her back into the underground base where
[51:01] Speaker 2: she'd been many times. And then they immediately tasked her
[51:05] Speaker 2: because she was in a heightened psychic state they immediately
[51:08] Speaker 2: tasked her with remote viewing certain parts of the Near East,
[51:13] Speaker 2: the Middle East, and places like that. And long before
[51:15] Speaker 2: I heard of the 20 and back program, my friend
[51:19] Speaker 2: in this instance, her name was Lorena, the one I
[51:22] Speaker 2: just told you about. There were times where she would
[51:27] Speaker 2: be either in the underground facility or elsewhere, and she'd
[51:31] Speaker 2: be pleading with the Navy, I'd have to go back home.
[51:37] Speaker 2: my family's going to think I disappeared. I ran out
[51:39] Speaker 2: on them where I was kidnapped. I have to get
[51:41] Speaker 2: my kids up ready to go to school. I mean,
[51:44] Speaker 2: we're thinking mundane kind of stuff, but this is what
[51:47] Speaker 2: mothers think, right? And they always reassure her, don't worry, Lorena,
[51:51] Speaker 2: we'll return you. And then you'll wake up just in
[51:54] Speaker 2: time in order to get your kids ready to go
[51:56] Speaker 2: to school. Now, at a conscious linear time basis, she
[52:04] Speaker 2: said that there were times when she was with the Navy,
[52:06] Speaker 2: you know, taken by the Navy essentially for, it seemed
[52:10] Speaker 2: to her for weeks, for weeks. Right. And then when
[52:15] Speaker 2: they'd return her invariably, she'd wake up just in time
[52:21] Speaker 2: to have enough time to get her kids ready to take,
[52:24] Speaker 2: to get them to school. And I heard that long
[52:26] Speaker 2: before I started hearing these 20 and back stories.
[52:29] Speaker 1: Well, the 20 and back one, those are difficult for
[52:33] Speaker 1: me to comprehend, but, I have heard plenty experiences where
[52:40] Speaker 1: people will be in a coma, they will have a
[52:43] Speaker 1: near-death experience, or even a psychedelic experience, and they will
[52:48] Speaker 1: spend what seems like a lifetime in a different realm,
[52:52] Speaker 1: and then when they return, it's only been a few minutes.
[52:55] Speaker 1: So this is very possible, and I'm sure that extraterrestrials
[53:00] Speaker 1: or even our military may have the technology to induce this.
[53:05] Speaker 2: By this point, I'm satisfied they have that capability. I've
[53:08] Speaker 2: had my own experiences. I'll relate one very briefly. I
[53:13] Speaker 2: had this... I was going through a spate of training
[53:18] Speaker 2: with naval intelligence where they were putting me through my
[53:20] Speaker 2: paces of endless amounts of running, endless amounts of swimming.
[53:24] Speaker 2: I can swim, but I'm not a strong swimmer. But
[53:27] Speaker 2: in these experiences, somehow, I don't know what they did,
[53:31] Speaker 2: but I was able to continue and then continue running,
[53:35] Speaker 2: continue swimming. And it was not a voluntary effort. When
[53:40] Speaker 2: I was in the midst of this training and I
[53:44] Speaker 2: was being made to run or jog, I couldn't just
[53:46] Speaker 2: slow down and say, okay, I'm going to take a breather,
[53:48] Speaker 2: you know, and just walk. I couldn't do that. I
[53:51] Speaker 2: was just compelled to continually run. And time just passed
[53:55] Speaker 2: so excruciatingly slowly, right? And so I knew it wasn't
[54:01] Speaker 2: a dream. Then I'd wake up the next morning, my
[54:03] Speaker 2: body would ache. felt like I'd been either run over
[54:06] Speaker 2: by a truck or run a marathon, take your pick, right?
[54:09] Speaker 2: And so in this one particular experience, I was in
[54:12] Speaker 2: a cavern system and I was given to understand it
[54:17] Speaker 2: was kind of like a competition where we had to
[54:19] Speaker 2: go from point A to point B somehow, right? And
[54:23] Speaker 2: I was up on a plateau about 15 feet up high. Somehow,
[54:28] Speaker 2: I don't know how I got there. And I'm seeing others,
[54:31] Speaker 2: presumably other MyLabs men and women, you know, running down
[54:35] Speaker 2: below me. And I was, you know, feeling poorly about myself. Jeez,
[54:39] Speaker 2: you know, I'm falling way behind. That was my mindset.
[54:43] Speaker 2: I'm falling way behind. You know, I got to catch
[54:45] Speaker 2: up with these guys, right? Now, the problem was, I
[54:51] Speaker 2: was in the me mentality, me front altar that you're
[54:54] Speaker 2: talking to now, right? I wasn't in some kind of
[54:57] Speaker 2: super soldier mode. So like, I'm thinking, well, if I
[55:00] Speaker 2: jump down from here, I'm going to snap my ankle, right?
[55:03] Speaker 2: So I just kind of like took my time to
[55:05] Speaker 2: crawl down this thing and then get back in the race.
[55:09] Speaker 2: Eventually it devolved into another bit of training where I
[55:13] Speaker 2: had to infiltrate into this large mansion for some reason.
[55:18] Speaker 2: And I'll just fast forward. And then once I was
[55:21] Speaker 2: inside this large mansion, I was standing by a large
[55:26] Speaker 2: bay window, excuse me, a large window with these long
[55:30] Speaker 2: drapes hanging, long drapes hanging down. And what happened was
[55:35] Speaker 2: these drapes suddenly became animated, wrapped themselves around my lower half,
[55:39] Speaker 2: lifted me up in the air. I screamed, right? At
[55:43] Speaker 2: that point, I woke up in bed and I was
[55:49] Speaker 2: like this, like my head was down here. My feet
[55:52] Speaker 2: were up here. I was about three or four feet
[55:55] Speaker 2: above my bed. Center of gravity is all off. I mean,
[55:58] Speaker 2: even if I could make myself levitate, I wouldn't like
[56:01] Speaker 2: be in that position, right? But that was the position
[56:04] Speaker 2: I was in the experience when the drapes became animated
[56:07] Speaker 2: and lifted me up, right? So I come to consciousness.
[56:10] Speaker 2: I'm above my bed. My head's down here. And I
[56:12] Speaker 2: would just drop, crash back onto my bed. And I
[56:16] Speaker 2: woke up in a panic. And I called my friend up, Linda.
[56:20] Speaker 2: And I apologized profusely. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to
[56:23] Speaker 2: wake you up, blah, blah, blah. And then she says, oh, no,
[56:27] Speaker 2: you know, I'm just getting ready for work, right? So
[56:32] Speaker 2: I glanced at the clock. And if you remember back then,
[56:35] Speaker 2: the cable TV boxes on top of your TVs, you know,
[56:38] Speaker 2: they had the time and all that. Well, I just
[56:41] Speaker 2: when she said I'm getting ready for work, I didn't compute.
[56:44] Speaker 2: So I glanced at the clock and it was like
[56:50] Speaker 2: like 10 a.m., 10 p.m., 1030 when I knew for
[56:54] Speaker 2: a fact I had fallen asleep after midnight. Because I
[56:59] Speaker 2: used to have the spotlight above my bed. I'd read
[57:01] Speaker 2: myself to sleep and I'd just fall asleep, right? But
[57:03] Speaker 2: I knew that I had fallen asleep after midnight. Point
[57:06] Speaker 2: of relevance is they returned me to a point in
[57:09] Speaker 2: time before they abducted me in the first place, okay?
[57:13] Speaker 2: So it doesn't sound like much compared to these lurid
[57:16] Speaker 2: stories of 20 and back and stuff. But that told
[57:19] Speaker 2: me that if they can return me to a point
[57:21] Speaker 2: in time prior to abducting me in the first place, Yes,
[57:26] Speaker 2: they have this time travel capability. And the beef that
[57:32] Speaker 2: I have against it is it seems to me that
[57:36] Speaker 2: the deep black military involved in these off-world programs, involved
[57:40] Speaker 2: with these alien collusion projects, I don't think they're the
[57:44] Speaker 2: top dogs. I don't think they're the ones calling the shots.
[57:47] Speaker 2: I think what's happened is the deep black military aerospace
[57:52] Speaker 2: industry has essentially been co-opted into this reptilian alien program
[57:57] Speaker 2: because if you look at who the ceos of of
[58:00] Speaker 2: these you know big defense contractors raytheon and and the
[58:05] Speaker 2: shareholders there are a bunch of reptiles if you ask
[58:07] Speaker 2: me so and i think that's where the twain meet
[58:11] Speaker 2: where for centuries if not millennia there has been this
[58:16] Speaker 2: hybridized elite in the fraternal order secret societies what have
[58:21] Speaker 2: you conduct all these these rituals and they know that
[58:25] Speaker 2: they're not quite human right and so many of them
[58:29] Speaker 2: attain positions of authority in industry uh and high finance
[58:33] Speaker 2: and then we start getting the crash retrievals we start
[58:36] Speaker 2: back engineering the uh the alien technology and then the
[58:41] Speaker 2: reptilian hybrids in high influential places were already there to
[58:45] Speaker 2: begin with right and then they assert power control and
[58:49] Speaker 2: they determine you know, the fate of the project, essentially.
[58:52] Speaker 2: So long story short, I don't think that the humans,
[58:56] Speaker 2: the human military are calling the shots. I think they're
[58:58] Speaker 2: a junior partner in all this. And then when you
[59:02] Speaker 2: hear the accounts of some people in these, what my mentor,
[59:05] Speaker 2: Barbara Bartholick, referred to as the processing plants, these underground
[59:09] Speaker 2: plants reptilian lairs where humans are literally being processed as
[59:14] Speaker 2: a food source, countless humans taken from the surface. Some
[59:19] Speaker 2: of the accounts I've heard is that there are human
[59:21] Speaker 2: military security there. So there are human military security at
[59:26] Speaker 2: these places where the reptilians are processing humans for for
[59:31] Speaker 2: food purposes, for consumption purposes. So clearly, if you ask me,
[59:34] Speaker 2: just on that basis alone, the humans cannot be calling
[59:38] Speaker 2: the shots. Now, there may be some faction splinter groups,
[59:42] Speaker 2: that's quite possible, because even in the surface level intelligence world,
[59:48] Speaker 2: a lot of these intelligence agencies, it's all about expanding
[59:51] Speaker 2: and protecting the empire, right? So why wouldn't that be
[59:56] Speaker 2: the case in these weird science alien technology-type programs where
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: a given faction, let's say, may try to create their
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: own alien alliances, perhaps in opposition with the main umbrella group,
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: let's say. I mean, that's always a possibility, but it's
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: nothing I can really hang my hat on.
[1:00:20] Speaker 1: Going back for a moment to the 20 and back
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: off-planet experiences that yourself and others have had, could it
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: be that some of these are elaborate simulations that are
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: being run on someone's consciousness? Or is it that they
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: are actually having these out-of-body or consciousness removal and replacement experiences?
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: Or is it a combination of all of that?
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: It's a combination of all that, because some of it,
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: you could just, by all outward appearances, Chris, you could
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: be laying in bed But what they do is they
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: hijack your astral soul matrix consciousness, for lack of a
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: better term, and put it through its paces in a
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: virtual reality environment, right? For whatever purpose, maybe habituate either
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: an altar of yourself, because they can astrally abduct altars
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: of yourself, not just astrally abduct you, but they have
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: a means of creating altar that... they can access astrally. Okay.
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: So they can take you out of your sleeping body
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: and then put your consciousness through all this training in
[1:01:34] Speaker 2: a virtual environment, but to further muddy the waters, they
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: can take our consciousness, place it in the clone of ourselves.
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: And in, and if we're, our clones are subjected at
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: that point to very realistic, uh, dangerous training or in
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: a real world op and our clone gets mangled or killed,
[1:02:01] Speaker 2: they simply put our consciousness into another clone or return
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: us to our body and we're none the wiser. All
[1:02:07] Speaker 2: we have are memories of being crushed or mangled or something,
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: if we have any memories at all. But sometimes we
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: can bring back phantom pain or phantom injuries from what
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: our clones experience. So there must be some level of
[1:02:22] Speaker 2: quantum entanglement there. But there's also, you brought up earlier,
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: the alternate reality aspect. My friend Lorena was told about
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: this by Naval Intelligence that they have the means, they've
[1:02:37] Speaker 2: had the means for some time to go on to
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: other dimensions and other realities. And some of my experiences
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: seem to have been in alternate realities that look quite
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: similar to our own but there are slight and sometimes
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: huge differences between the two, right? So I'm satisfied by
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: this point, the military can do that. And I'm also
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: reminded of Katarina Wilson's account where she says, she was
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: one of the original MyLabs that came out in the
[1:03:06] Speaker 2: early 90s. She recalls an experience when these rays had
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: taken her to an alternate reality and they showed her
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: her counterpart in that reality, giving a lecture, right? Giving
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: a lecture about aliens and UFOs and what have you.
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: So it's not just operating or being made to operate
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: or being abducted in our plane of existence. Some of
[1:03:33] Speaker 2: these beings, reptilians are a classic example of this. They
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: have the ability to alter their density, alter their frequency,
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: which allows them to ingress and egress out of our
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: physical dimension, right? So there's been this big schism created intentionally,
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: in my view, by Jacques Vallée. He was the main
[1:03:51] Speaker 2: culprit behind this. Oh, no, the extraterrestrial hypothesis is washed up.
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: Distances between star systems, that's nonsense. That's a nonsensical argument.
[1:04:00] Speaker 2: They have to be of necessity interdimensional. Well, the problem
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: there is some of these beings are so advanced. They're
[1:04:06] Speaker 2: not only coming from other star systems in our dimension,
[1:04:10] Speaker 2: our plane of reality. but they have a means to
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: go to other dimensions and other realities. Bill Hamilton was
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: one of the great old school researchers of the past.
[1:04:21] Speaker 2: He's no longer active. I don't even know if he's
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: on the side of the veil anymore. But one of
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: his sources was a Marine Technical Sergeant who took part
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: in a crash retrieval of an alien craft in 1958
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: in Vietnam. And the craft was strapped onto the deck
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: of the USS Oriskany aircraft carrier, tarp was put over it,
[1:04:43] Speaker 2: and it was brought back to my dad's old stomping grounds,
[1:04:46] Speaker 2: if memory serves, NAS Alameda. And the technical sergeant who
[1:04:51] Speaker 2: worked on that craft said, within that particular craft and others,
[1:04:55] Speaker 2: there is something that they refer to as a transpatial resonator.
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: And what the transpatial resonator does is it allows the
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: occupants of the craft to adjust the frequency, the resonance
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: of their craft and the occupants within it, to be
[1:05:12] Speaker 2: able to comfortably merge into another reality entirely. And the
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: way it was described to Bill is, imagine two bubbles
[1:05:19] Speaker 2: side by side, two soap bubbles, but they each have
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: a different frequency, a different pulse, a different beat, operating
[1:05:27] Speaker 2: out of phase of each other, right? So, you know,
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: one can't readily go from one to the other, while
[1:05:32] Speaker 2: the transpatial resonator allows that particular civilization of aliens to
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: go in and out of other dimensions and other realities, right?
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: And so I believe that by this point, the deep
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: black elements of the military have utilized and exploited that
[1:05:49] Speaker 2: technology for purposes of technology transfer, whatever the case may be.
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: To close out, I'd like to get your thoughts on
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: what is on the other side of disclosure. What is
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: directing disclosure and why now? Also, are we going to,
[1:06:07] Speaker 1: within our lifetime, come into contact with some of these beings?
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: Well, I'm reminded of Arthur C. Cook's book, Childhood's End.
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: And he was a CIA asset, a pedophile, right? But
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: the book that he wrote talked about this alien race.
[1:06:26] Speaker 2: Interesting when they depicted it in a documentary and in
[1:06:30] Speaker 2: cinema form, they were depicted as Dracos, winged reptilian gargoyle beings, right?
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: But anyway, he called the book Childhood's End because that
[1:06:39] Speaker 2: was the end of a human race's childhood when they
[1:06:44] Speaker 2: get taken up by these Draco beings. I think that
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: disclosure will never come to grips with the bottom line truths.
[1:06:54] Speaker 2: The fact that the human race has been genetically engineered,
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: messed with, and subjugated all this time A lot of
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: these fake religions, a lot of these gods that have
[1:07:06] Speaker 2: been foisted upon us are nothing more than aliens themselves.
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: If one studies the work of Pierre Saubach, who I
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: had on my show, absolutely brilliant guy. He proves through
[1:07:16] Speaker 2: etymology and linguistic studies that a lot of the things
[1:07:20] Speaker 2: that we refer to as watchers, Elohim, they're all talking
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: about reptilians and other aliens, right? I'm satisfied that these
[1:07:26] Speaker 2: beings have been here all this time and they're still
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: in control. If there's disclosure, it's going to be disclosure only.
[1:07:33] Speaker 2: based on what the aliens, reptilians want, not what the
[1:07:38] Speaker 2: humans want. And this is the problem I have with disclosure.
[1:07:42] Speaker 2: There's so many key cases that are leaving by the wayside. RAF, Betwaters,
[1:07:46] Speaker 2: Rendlesham Forest, one of the great cases of all time,
[1:07:49] Speaker 2: totally left by the wayside. Don Schmidt, Donald Schmidt, I
[1:07:53] Speaker 2: had on my show, one of the great, the greatest
[1:07:55] Speaker 2: Roswell researcher on the planet. They don't even bother inviting
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: him to these congressional inquiries. These congressional inquiries will never
[1:08:03] Speaker 2: get to the bottom line. The fact that countless humans
[1:08:07] Speaker 2: for centuries, if not millennia, have been abducted, manipulated. There's
[1:08:12] Speaker 2: an ongoing reptilian hybridization agenda. We are being replaced. People
[1:08:17] Speaker 2: talk about these immigrant invasions and UN replacement theory, and
[1:08:21] Speaker 2: that's all real, and that's all part of this reptilian
[1:08:24] Speaker 2: agenda also. But eventually, I think the plan is to
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: replace most human beings they'll keep enough of us around
[1:08:35] Speaker 2: if their plan comes to fruition these aliens at some
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: point will say we don't have to conceal our identity
[1:08:41] Speaker 2: anymore we don't have to hide and we're just going
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: to walk amongst humans the way we used to in
[1:08:45] Speaker 2: the days of yore right and we're already seeing glimpses
[1:08:48] Speaker 2: of that when we see this footage and video of
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: these odd characters and these you know security details for
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: these political confabs and these presidential entourages we see these
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: people that aren't quite human, right? And I think that's
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: just part of the problem. So with disclosure, we're never
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: going to get to issues such as the ongoing exploitation
[1:09:13] Speaker 2: of humanity, not only on-world human trafficking, but off-world human trafficking.
[1:09:20] Speaker 2: the mass consumption of humans as a food source by
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: reptilians and the back engineering of the technology that has been,
[1:09:31] Speaker 2: we've never been the beneficiaries of that technology. We've only
[1:09:34] Speaker 2: been on the receiving end of the technology when it's
[1:09:39] Speaker 2: been utilized to exploit us or oppress us in some fashion.
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to paint too bleak of a
[1:09:46] Speaker 2: picture here. I'm just, this is like a, like situational
[1:09:49] Speaker 2: awareness thing going on, that this is the kind of
[1:09:52] Speaker 2: dire straits we find ourselves in. If we're ever going
[1:09:55] Speaker 2: to break the bonds of this cosmic vassalage, we need
[1:09:58] Speaker 2: to recognize that it is not power-mad, human-only bankers that
[1:10:04] Speaker 2: are doing this to us. The whole basis for this
[1:10:07] Speaker 2: control system is alien in general and reptilian in particular.
[1:10:13] Speaker 2: And disclosure will never go in that direction. They're never
[1:10:15] Speaker 2: going to say, we're all under the control of these
[1:10:18] Speaker 2: reptilians and aliens and that's why you see all the
[1:10:20] Speaker 2: spin it's all demonic right well demons don't need spaceships
[1:10:23] Speaker 2: to travel around in right i mean you're not going
[1:10:26] Speaker 2: to find demon bodies in a crashed alien spacecraft right
[1:10:29] Speaker 2: you're going to find alien bodies in a crashed alien
[1:10:31] Speaker 2: spacecraft so but you know six of one half dozen
[1:10:36] Speaker 2: of another i mean some of the behaviors and activities
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: of these malign alien beings are quite demonic in nature
[1:10:43] Speaker 2: so You know, I don't really get hung up on
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: the semantics of it, but thank you so much for
[1:10:48] Speaker 2: having me on, Chris. And I'd love to have you
[1:10:50] Speaker 2: on my show too.
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: Oh, anytime, man. I'd love to. And thank you so much.
[1:10:55] Speaker 1: This was fantastic. We'll definitely have to go deeper next time.
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: Before I let you go, remind the audience how they
[1:11:01] Speaker 1: can get more of you.
[1:11:03] Speaker 2: Thecosmicswitchboard.com. You can contact me there. You can also find
[1:11:08] Speaker 2: my channel on YouTube. My channel is heavily shadow banned.
[1:11:12] Speaker 2: The algorithm's conceal my, my channel. So we get like
[1:11:17] Speaker 2: a minimal amount of views, but you'll find a lot
[1:11:19] Speaker 2: of good content there. I make a point of finding
[1:11:21] Speaker 2: really good guests to have discussions with.
[1:11:25] Speaker 1: Excellent. James, like I said, we'll do it again. And
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