# Sean Stone | 10 Things to Learn, Ancient Wisdom for the Modern Soul, Matrix Navigation

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 16 Sep 2026, 1 h 07 min.

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[0:02] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:04] Speaker 1: and weirder. And finally, it's going to be so weird
[0:08] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:10] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:14] Speaker 1: your host, Chris Matthew. Today, my guest is Sean Stone.
[0:18] Speaker 1: Watch my films, Occult Louisiana's on 2B, Doors of Perception
[0:21] Speaker 1: on Amazon Prime. We are booking guests for October. If
[0:25] Speaker 1: you have suggestions or you'd like to be a guest,
[0:28] Speaker 1: email me, forbiddenknowledgenews at gmail.com. Today I want to welcome
[0:33] Speaker 1: Sean Stone. He is a filmmaker, media host, author, actor, poet, speaker,
[0:38] Speaker 1: truth seeker, and spiritual activist. Sean, welcome. How you doing?
[0:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good. Thank you.
[0:45] Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, man. I'm excited we're finally making
[0:48] Speaker 1: this happen. Today we're going to get into your book,
[0:50] Speaker 1: Ten Things to Learn, Ancient Wisdom for the Modern Soul.
[0:54] Speaker 1: It's basically a step-by-step guide to your personal hero's journey.
[1:00] Speaker 1: You bring some great insights as well as blend in
[1:03] Speaker 1: ancient concepts and stories applied to our modern society. We'll
[1:07] Speaker 1: also get your insights into some of the happenings going
[1:11] Speaker 1: on in our reality. Before we do, this is your
[1:14] Speaker 1: first time on. For those that may not be familiar,
[1:17] Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about yourself and let the
[1:19] Speaker 1: audience know how they can find out more. Sure.
[1:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I grew up between a mixture of
[1:28] Speaker 3: suburban California life and being on film sets. I did
[1:32] Speaker 3: my first movies as like, you know, a child. I'm
[1:37] Speaker 3: like six months old in Salvador and two years old
[1:40] Speaker 3: in Wall Street. I was young Jim Morrison in The Doors.
[1:43] Speaker 3: I was Kevin Costner's son in JFK. And I was
[1:48] Speaker 3: Juliette Lewis's little brother in Natural Born Killers. So, you know,
[1:51] Speaker 3: I was basically around the media world, you know, since
[1:55] Speaker 3: the time I was born. um, getting a lot of
[1:57] Speaker 3: insights into, you know, the, the, the control structures within media. And, uh,
[2:03] Speaker 3: you know, and then I went on to, uh, do
[2:06] Speaker 3: my own documentaries and films after, you know, during, starting
[2:10] Speaker 3: in college and thereafter. Um, I also dovetailed into, um,
[2:16] Speaker 3: co-hosting Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura, the third season, the
[2:20] Speaker 3: final season before they canceled it. Um, which was, you know, very,
[2:24] Speaker 3: you know, we were, we were, way ahead of a
[2:26] Speaker 3: lot of the conversations that are now being had. And
[2:30] Speaker 3: then I went on to work for Russia Today doing
[2:34] Speaker 3: a news program, an interview program with them. I did
[2:38] Speaker 3: interviews on a show called Buzzsaw. We did a few
[2:41] Speaker 3: seasons for Gaia. And then I've published a number of books,
[2:46] Speaker 3: including New World Order, the history of the New World Order,
[2:50] Speaker 3: modern history of the New World Order, and And then
[2:53] Speaker 3: the current one we're discussing, 10 Things to Learn, is
[2:55] Speaker 3: coming out this month through Tucker Carlson Books.
[2:59] Speaker 1: Before we get into your book, what are your thoughts
[3:03] Speaker 1: on some of the things that has unfolded? For instance,
[3:06] Speaker 1: when you were doing Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura, would
[3:11] Speaker 1: you have ever thought the information would have been as
[3:14] Speaker 1: mainstream as it is now?
[3:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[3:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, in a way, like, I feel like I mean,
[3:21] Speaker 3: I always trusted that we were gonna, we were gonna
[3:25] Speaker 3: touch a nerve and then connect to more people. I
[3:27] Speaker 3: felt like I was always just wondering, where's everybody, you know, like,
[3:30] Speaker 3: this stuff is so interesting. To me, I mean, this
[3:32] Speaker 3: goes back to, you know, my own, how do you say,
[3:36] Speaker 3: you know, awareness of history, right? So I started off
[3:43] Speaker 3: with a father, you know, like, you know, who was
[3:45] Speaker 3: doing movies like JFK and Nixon, and he was, you know,
[3:48] Speaker 3: really challenging the, the established history and, you know, modern history. So, uh, his,
[3:53] Speaker 3: you know, his interests peaked my own and, you know,
[3:57] Speaker 3: we would discuss things and he would recommend books and
[3:59] Speaker 3: things like, you know, to check out. And ultimately that
[4:01] Speaker 3: led to, um, uh, his untold history of the United States,
[4:04] Speaker 3: which is really good, you know, it's 10 part series
[4:08] Speaker 3: people should watch, um, on the modern, you know, a
[4:11] Speaker 3: retelling of the modern history, basically. Now he doesn't go
[4:14] Speaker 3: as far out, you know, as I do, because, you know,
[4:17] Speaker 3: he kind of stopped, he tries to, my dad tries
[4:19] Speaker 3: to explore more the, you know, you could call it
[4:22] Speaker 3: like the deep state, the military industrial complex level, right?
[4:26] Speaker 3: But once I started researching and going down the rabbit
[4:29] Speaker 3: holes of all these things, you can't help, you can't ignore,
[4:34] Speaker 3: you know, the extra dimensional, the alien component, the supernatural component,
[4:38] Speaker 3: the interest in magic and occultism that is part of these,
[4:42] Speaker 3: you know, ancient power structures, right? And so the more
[4:46] Speaker 3: I got interested in that, that, you know, then, as
[4:49] Speaker 3: you mentioned, that leads to like, you know, shows like
[4:53] Speaker 3: Conspiracy Theory, where we dove into questions about, you know,
[4:56] Speaker 3: are the reptilians among us? What's happening at Skinwalker Ranch?
[5:03] Speaker 3: You know, is there, do we, does our government have,
[5:05] Speaker 3: you know, secret programs that involve like teleportation and, you know,
[5:09] Speaker 3: very advanced secret space programs, things like this. So Once
[5:14] Speaker 3: you see it, you can't unsee it. Especially if you've
[5:16] Speaker 3: had experiences as I had even before that show that
[5:21] Speaker 3: led me to believe like, okay, there's another level of
[5:24] Speaker 3: power that's operating. And that's what I came to understand
[5:28] Speaker 3: early on. So I'm like, look, if you study conspiracies
[5:30] Speaker 3: and the longevity of these conspiracies, let's say like across empires, right?
[5:36] Speaker 3: You know, going back to the ancient world, it can't
[5:40] Speaker 3: just be like a bunch of bad people you know,
[5:43] Speaker 3: from one generation to the next, you know, a bunch of,
[5:45] Speaker 3: you know, psychopaths just passing the torch to other psychopaths.
[5:49] Speaker 3: To me, it was like, there seems to be something
[5:51] Speaker 3: more multidimensional, more, you know, higher. And Catherine Austin Fitz
[5:55] Speaker 3: echoed that recently. And, you know, she's, I've, I interviewed
[5:58] Speaker 3: her years ago for my documentary, A Century of War.
[6:01] Speaker 3: And I love that she's talking now openly and saying, look,
[6:03] Speaker 3: I believe that there's a multidimensional, you know, beings. And,
[6:07] Speaker 3: you know, we might, we can call them maybe the
[6:09] Speaker 3: fallen ones, you know, if you're talking in the biblical language, right?
[6:11] Speaker 2: The watchers, right?
[6:12] Speaker 3: Which watchers does seem to have like a resonance with
[6:16] Speaker 3: the Illuminati, right? And so it's like these watchers, these beings,
[6:20] Speaker 3: these iconic entities that seem to be kind of.
[6:24] Speaker 2: The control, like the control.
[6:26] Speaker 3: Apparatus for the system, for this matrix that we're operating within.
[6:32] Speaker 3: And the more that you, I think, explore the quantum
[6:36] Speaker 3: nature of reality and how much everything is consciousness and
[6:40] Speaker 3: reflections in consciousness, And so when you experience anomalies in this,
[6:46] Speaker 3: you know, in this, in.
[6:47] Speaker 2: This so-called physical reality, right.
[6:49] Speaker 3: Whether it's an anomaly of like a miracle or something
[6:52] Speaker 3: that's like extraordinary or something like seeing a multidimensional being
[6:57] Speaker 3: or seeing a craft appear and disappear or whatever it
[7:00] Speaker 3: may be.
[7:00] Speaker 1: Right.
[7:00] Speaker 3: It's like, okay, we know that there's more, more to
[7:03] Speaker 3: this world than just, you know, what we think as
[7:08] Speaker 3: the 3d physical plane. And, and yet, there seems to
[7:12] Speaker 3: be a control apparatus on it. There are definitely people
[7:14] Speaker 3: looking to control all aspects of it, you know, in
[7:17] Speaker 3: terms of the, you know, the, the, the level of nanotechnology,
[7:21] Speaker 3: the level of the body. And you talk about like medical,
[7:24] Speaker 3: like the desire to like, you know, essentially be able to, to, um, yeah,
[7:30] Speaker 3: map and control the physical body completely towards this transhuman agenda, right?
[7:35] Speaker 3: The idea that, you know, humans can be physically merged
[7:38] Speaker 3: with machines. But that's all the physical plane. Now, if
[7:42] Speaker 3: we get to the spiritual energetic plane, that's the only
[7:45] Speaker 3: way to overcome the darkness as far as I'm concerned, right?
[7:48] Speaker 3: Because the darkness is going to look to control us,
[7:51] Speaker 3: to surveil us, to genetically alter us, to basically have.
[7:59] Speaker 2: An H.G.
[7:59] Speaker 3: Wells style of world where you've got your elite, intelligent elite,
[8:04] Speaker 3: and then you've got the worker class who's just dumbed down, fluoridated, obeys, right?
[8:11] Speaker 3: Takes the orders, says, I'm just doing my job, right?
[8:15] Speaker 3: So if we're at the physical level, that seems possible,
[8:17] Speaker 3: but there is a spiritual level.
[8:19] Speaker 2: There's a spiritual domain that supersedes all of it.
[8:22] Speaker 3: And so when you connect to that, believe that, then
[8:26] Speaker 3: things get very interesting because there's also a level of
[8:28] Speaker 3: like dark and light battling in the spiritual domain, it seems.
[8:32] Speaker 3: And that battle echoes in the physical realm.
[8:35] Speaker 1: Myself and many others try to understand the nature of
[8:39] Speaker 1: our parasitic ruling class, and it's almost impossible for myself.
[8:44] Speaker 1: I can't get past the levels of psychopathy that's displayed there.
[8:50] Speaker 1: And to me, I don't see how humans could be
[8:53] Speaker 1: putting forward these agendas, these anti-human ideologies. The development of
[8:59] Speaker 1: our technology in combination with things like drugs, pharmaceuticals, And
[9:04] Speaker 1: the information that's coming out, do you think that the
[9:07] Speaker 1: goal of this unseen intelligence is to fundamentally change what
[9:11] Speaker 1: we are as human beings?
[9:14] Speaker 3: I don't have a problem believing that. Let's say there's
[9:23] Speaker 3: a certain level of philosophy to that in terms of
[9:26] Speaker 3: what's driving it. And we can certainly say control, that's clear.
[9:33] Speaker 2: Trauma-based control.
[9:35] Speaker 3: Trauma-based beings that are looking for power and control, right,
[9:40] Speaker 3: as much as possible. And you see that, you know,
[9:42] Speaker 3: even in small microcosms. I mean, how many people in
[9:44] Speaker 3: their own, you know, in their own world know, you know,
[9:48] Speaker 3: a family member or a friend or someone that has
[9:51] Speaker 3: that display of, like, you know, fear and they're basically, like, they're, they're,
[9:55] Speaker 3: they're feelings to greed, you know, and how many times
[9:57] Speaker 3: have I heard stories of like, you know, brothers cutting off,
[10:00] Speaker 3: you know, sisters from, you know, from the, from the
[10:03] Speaker 3: wealth that they receive, you know, or family members, like
[10:05] Speaker 3: stealing from other family members.
[10:06] Speaker 2: So there's, there's a greed aspect, right?
[10:08] Speaker 3: Paris had a greed aspect, you know, like, I don't have,
[10:10] Speaker 3: I'm not, I'm, I'm insecure, I want to take more,
[10:12] Speaker 3: I want to hoard for myself, right?
[10:14] Speaker 2: So there's that apparatus.
[10:17] Speaker 3: Then you have you know, let's say a larger design,
[10:20] Speaker 3: which is the reconstruction of the human. Now, if you
[10:23] Speaker 3: go back to the ancient texts, right, the Anunnaki type
[10:27] Speaker 3: of literature, right, from the Sumerians, even like the Hebrew stuff,
[10:32] Speaker 3: the Old Testament kind of picks this up, even though
[10:34] Speaker 3: they don't overtly say it. They say overtly that, you know,
[10:37] Speaker 3: Yahweh or whatever, you know, decides that this bloodline is
[10:41] Speaker 3: his particular bloodline. Now, my interpretation is he's not the
[10:45] Speaker 3: creator of all. He just chose a certain bloodline, basically
[10:49] Speaker 3: saying like, you know, which is what the old world did.
[10:51] Speaker 3: I mean, that's very much like, um, a reflective of
[10:55] Speaker 3: like the ancient world where it would be like, if
[10:57] Speaker 3: you belong to this city, you worshiped, you know, whatever, uh,
[11:02] Speaker 3: the Nerva or, you know, Ishtar or, you know, Marduk
[11:06] Speaker 3: or whatever, like that was your God or Anki or Unleal,
[11:08] Speaker 3: like that was your God, depending on where you, you know,
[11:10] Speaker 3: where you're from.
[11:12] Speaker 1: Right.
[11:13] Speaker 3: Um, So, you know, I think of it like, you know,
[11:17] Speaker 3: the Anunnaki texts when they're talking about like the gods
[11:20] Speaker 3: interjecting with human, you know, basically interjecting to create humans,
[11:23] Speaker 3: the gods seeding humanity as like an offspring of theirs
[11:28] Speaker 3: in a sense, right?
[11:28] Speaker 2: A hybrid race.
[11:32] Speaker 3: You also see it even like with biblical texts about
[11:34] Speaker 3: like the Anakian story, the book of Enoch, the fallen
[11:38] Speaker 3: ones who come and mate with human women and and
[11:42] Speaker 3: so again these are non-terrestrial beings you know creating a
[11:46] Speaker 3: new species they call them the nephilim right and they
[11:50] Speaker 3: become monstrous and they even like eat humans and stuff
[11:52] Speaker 3: like that right so there's this this idea of genetic
[11:57] Speaker 3: manipulation i think is is ancient you know i actually
[12:01] Speaker 3: like believe that a lot of what's going on in
[12:04] Speaker 3: this world is um genetic experimentation and as we know
[12:10] Speaker 3: i mean obviously like people have reported abductions for, you know, well,
[12:15] Speaker 3: it's ancient, but let's say in the modern world, a
[12:17] Speaker 3: lot of the abductions seem to do an interest, have
[12:19] Speaker 3: an interest with the sexual organs.
[12:21] Speaker 2: Right.
[12:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[12:23] Speaker 2: And so, you know, some.
[12:24] Speaker 3: People claim like they've encountered like, you know, they're off
[12:28] Speaker 3: world children. They've been told like, you know, that they
[12:30] Speaker 3: have children off world based on these abductions. I mean, there's,
[12:33] Speaker 3: there's certainly an interest in sex when it comes to the,
[12:35] Speaker 3: you know, the abduction phenomenon. So sex is what it's genetics,
[12:40] Speaker 3: you know, where's the, what are we creating through this genetic.
[12:46] Speaker 2: Connection, right?
[12:47] Speaker 3: And that's what we are, like as, you know, as beings, right?
[12:49] Speaker 3: We've been, we are the product of thousands upon thousands
[12:53] Speaker 3: of choices, biological, you know, choices of ancestors. And each
[12:57] Speaker 3: of those ancestors is carrying genetics, DNA, you could say
[13:02] Speaker 3: almost like energy of like trauma.
[13:06] Speaker 2: I mean, there is this issue of.
[13:09] Speaker 3: Of what kind of trauma is being passed down from
[13:11] Speaker 3: generation to generation because it hasn't been healed, right?
[13:14] Speaker 2: Belief systems.
[13:16] Speaker 3: And so, so much of our reality as a result
[13:18] Speaker 3: is a progeny of, of genetic choices and perhaps, perhaps
[13:23] Speaker 3: manipulation that, you know, they not, maybe not as recent,
[13:26] Speaker 3: maybe for some people it's recent. I don't know. Some
[13:27] Speaker 3: people do claim to have like implants or, or have
[13:31] Speaker 3: like been, you know, had surgery done on them by,
[13:34] Speaker 3: you know, by extra dimensional beings and stuff like that.
[13:36] Speaker 3: But the point is that we are the product of,
[13:38] Speaker 3: genetic manipulation let's say and so recreating the human it's
[13:42] Speaker 3: like well we don't know what the human's meant to
[13:44] Speaker 3: be like i believe that the human is meant to
[13:46] Speaker 3: ascend into a lighter more energetic being like i don't
[13:50] Speaker 3: think we're meant to be this physically dense so i
[13:53] Speaker 3: think when it comes to like the manipulation there's there's
[13:55] Speaker 3: kind of two different paths let's say there's the path
[13:57] Speaker 3: of um merging us with machinery getting us basically more
[14:03] Speaker 3: under control right under under the, the, the control of
[14:07] Speaker 3: the gridded, the wireless grid, let's call it right. Manipulating
[14:11] Speaker 3: and affecting us. And I, I think COVID is almost
[14:14] Speaker 3: like the COVID vaccine is like symbolic of that first
[14:17] Speaker 3: round of like, Hey, we've got the, these little spike
[14:20] Speaker 3: proteins that look like antenna that, you know, that, that are,
[14:23] Speaker 3: that's now inserted and not, not just inserted through the
[14:26] Speaker 3: COVID virus, but then through the vaccine that like helps
[14:29] Speaker 3: you produce and manufacture these things. So it's almost like
[14:31] Speaker 3: you're becoming a, a warehouse store in these, things and
[14:36] Speaker 3: they're and they're inserting themselves in different places and affecting
[14:39] Speaker 3: you know they say they can affect you know people's
[14:41] Speaker 3: ability to have children i mean i don't know certainly
[14:44] Speaker 3: where i saw recently that we've hit that kind of
[14:46] Speaker 3: plateau when it comes to production in america you know
[14:50] Speaker 3: it's just pretty scary um that's why you know where
[14:52] Speaker 3: it's kind of it'll be masked by the migrant by
[14:55] Speaker 3: the migrant uh situation for a while right so people
[14:57] Speaker 3: won't realize that we're depopulating because we'll have millions and
[15:01] Speaker 3: millions of migrants coming in or at least we did
[15:03] Speaker 3: for the.
[15:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so again, like genetic genetic.
[15:09] Speaker 3: Wars, like is, is, is about changing the human, but
[15:12] Speaker 3: there's different paths of how we change. And I think
[15:14] Speaker 3: there's an evolutionary path of like ascension and more, more,
[15:18] Speaker 3: more energy, like higher energy, higher vibration energy and more
[15:21] Speaker 3: psychic awareness and all that. And then there's like the
[15:25] Speaker 3: darker path of like, you know, ultimately becoming a, like
[15:29] Speaker 3: a droid, you know, like a, like a hybrid droid.
[15:32] Speaker 1: I can go off of my own personal experiences. pulling
[15:36] Speaker 1: myself out of the system, participating less and less with
[15:40] Speaker 1: the anti-human nonsense, eating more organic, not being sucked into
[15:46] Speaker 1: any agendas, the COVID agenda, jabby jabs. The more I
[15:51] Speaker 1: check out and people in my family and friends and
[15:54] Speaker 1: colleagues that I know, the more we remove ourself from
[15:57] Speaker 1: the system, the better off we are, the more healthy
[16:00] Speaker 1: we are, the better our mental state is, the less
[16:04] Speaker 1: trauma we have. And the more human it seems we become.
[16:08] Speaker 1: And those people that are all about getting in line
[16:11] Speaker 1: for the jabby jabs, eating toxic food, participating with the
[16:16] Speaker 1: division agendas, they seem like they're becoming less and less
[16:20] Speaker 1: human as time goes on.
[16:23] Speaker 2: I mean, again, it's hard. It's hard for me to
[16:25] Speaker 2: like speculate on that.
[16:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[16:28] Speaker 3: Because, you know, almost all my family is jabbed. So
[16:31] Speaker 3: I can't say like, I can't say, you.
[16:34] Speaker 1: Know, well, it's not just jabbies. It's just the system
[16:36] Speaker 1: in general.
[16:38] Speaker 3: Yeah. But, um, and again, I, this is where to me, um,
[16:42] Speaker 3: spirituality supersedes and overcomes, um, the mundane, the terrestrial, right?
[16:47] Speaker 2: So there is like, there's a level of, of.
[16:51] Speaker 3: Of consciousness, let's say consciousness and, um, vibration and faith,
[16:56] Speaker 3: like that can truly overcome anything, right? Like I, I
[17:00] Speaker 3: really believe that it's almost, you know, it's the, it's
[17:02] Speaker 3: the true Christian, um, understanding, right. That like we can
[17:05] Speaker 3: overcome through faith. So, and true, you know, and true deep,
[17:10] Speaker 3: deep faith, right. Not like, uh, not the, not the
[17:13] Speaker 3: faith of, uh, as they say, you know, like the, the,
[17:17] Speaker 3: the sunshine Patriot or something, you know, but the, but
[17:19] Speaker 3: the deep faith that in the darkest of nights. And
[17:21] Speaker 3: so that's what I believe can, can help us to
[17:25] Speaker 3: survive and overcome the lower frequency intention of the fear-based
[17:33] Speaker 3: control apparatus.
[17:34] Speaker 1: Let's get to your book. Tell us about the book.
[17:37] Speaker 1: Give us a synopsis and what brought you to write this,
[17:40] Speaker 1: 10 Things to Learn.
[17:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
[17:44] Speaker 3: So it is based in faith in many ways. The
[17:49] Speaker 3: 10 Things to Learn is... a journey, I would say,
[17:55] Speaker 3: of transformation, right, through the human journey. And it starts
[18:01] Speaker 3: with falling because in at least the Western world, the
[18:05] Speaker 3: oldest story is the story of the fall, right? And
[18:07] Speaker 3: even in our own lives, the first thing that we
[18:10] Speaker 3: learn that happens to us is we fall into the world.
[18:13] Speaker 3: We fall out of the womb into the world. So
[18:14] Speaker 3: it's like learning to fall is the first thing you
[18:16] Speaker 3: got to do before anything. You know, before you can walk,
[18:20] Speaker 3: you're going to fall and fall and fall, right? So
[18:24] Speaker 3: from falling, we learn to surrender. In surrender, we learn
[18:28] Speaker 3: to cry. In crying, we learn to care or not
[18:32] Speaker 3: just to care, but who to care for and what
[18:33] Speaker 3: to care about. In caring, we have a shadow or
[18:38] Speaker 3: it's twin, which is hatred. So we have to learn
[18:42] Speaker 3: how to hate, right? Because we're not going to, we
[18:44] Speaker 3: can't avoid it. It's like anger, you know, you can't
[18:46] Speaker 3: suppress it.
[18:46] Speaker 2: You're going to, it's going to.
[18:47] Speaker 3: Come up through hatred. We also learn, and care and
[18:53] Speaker 3: hatred teach us the power of creation, right?
[18:57] Speaker 2: What is creation? And in creation, they're sharing.
[19:01] Speaker 3: So we learn how to share. When we create, we
[19:03] Speaker 3: learn to share. And from sharing, we learn how to love.
[19:10] Speaker 3: And then we come back to something, which is a
[19:13] Speaker 3: first principle, which is learning how to breathe.
[19:18] Speaker 2: And then....
[19:20] Speaker 3: Learn how to laugh which is like the final release
[19:23] Speaker 3: so in a sense it's designed like a divine comedy
[19:26] Speaker 3: of sorts you know the divine comedy of descending into
[19:29] Speaker 3: the hell into into hell and then you know going
[19:32] Speaker 3: through purgatory and ascending to heaven that is um it's
[19:36] Speaker 3: you know that's why it's called divine it's not just
[19:38] Speaker 3: a comedy it's a divine comedy because you go from
[19:40] Speaker 3: dark to light and um and yeah and so it
[19:45] Speaker 3: was done i wrote it using a lot of mythology.
[19:49] Speaker 3: You know, it was a lot of fun to dive
[19:50] Speaker 3: into these like myths that I'd read since I was
[19:53] Speaker 3: a kid and the stories I'd read in high school
[19:55] Speaker 3: and college. And so it's like there's, you know, there's
[19:58] Speaker 3: biblical stories. There's stories from the East, like the Buddha story.
[20:02] Speaker 3: There's Shakespearean stories. There's even like Dickens and more modern
[20:07] Speaker 3: Gatsby and, you know, more modern stories. But it's all
[20:10] Speaker 3: predicated in myths and stories because as humans, that's how
[20:14] Speaker 3: we relate, you know, in a sense. We relate, you know,
[20:18] Speaker 3: our own lives. We tell stories about ourselves. We learn
[20:21] Speaker 3: through stories, right? What's the, you know, that's why they've
[20:24] Speaker 3: been so powerful in history. It's like there's a lesson, right?
[20:28] Speaker 3: There's a lesson in a story, hopefully. What can we
[20:32] Speaker 3: take away? What can we learn from it? What can
[20:33] Speaker 3: we take from it?
[20:34] Speaker 2: Right.
[20:35] Speaker 1: So essentially the hero's journey, in other words, right?
[20:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[20:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[20:39] Speaker 3: In a sense, like it's, it, it very much is,
[20:42] Speaker 3: it's not a model on Campbell, but it's very like Campbell-esque. Right. Yeah.
[20:46] Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, I, I revisited, what was it?
[20:49] Speaker 3: The Hero with a Thousand Faces and it's so dense
[20:53] Speaker 3: and actually in many ways, it's like he goes, he
[20:55] Speaker 3: goes into like each little transformation along the hero's journey.
[20:58] Speaker 3: And I wanted to make it sort of a little
[20:59] Speaker 3: bit more, more accessible. I wanted to make it so
[21:02] Speaker 3: that you could really I think a teenager could read it,
[21:06] Speaker 3: a 13, 14, 15-year-old could read it, or a 90-year-old
[21:10] Speaker 3: could read it and be able to find it very accessible.
[21:15] Speaker 1: In this era that we're living in, in the chaos
[21:19] Speaker 1: that we're amongst, the information wars, there's this emerging Gnostic
[21:26] Speaker 1: view of reality. People are looking at reality as if
[21:32] Speaker 1: this realm is a trap. as if everything we experience
[21:36] Speaker 1: here is to feed darkness, our dark non-human entities. And
[21:42] Speaker 1: even in the afterlife, we're deceived to return here to
[21:46] Speaker 1: do it all over again so that we can be
[21:48] Speaker 1: essentially food for the Archons. I believe this is emerging
[21:54] Speaker 1: because people are starting to question our reality, are starting
[21:57] Speaker 1: to see the darkness, but they don't have enough answers
[22:00] Speaker 1: to really understand it. the spiritual nature of this reality.
[22:05] Speaker 1: I think that could be partly true in some aspects,
[22:08] Speaker 1: but it's all about your perspective. It's all about how
[22:11] Speaker 1: you're viewing things. What would you say the nature of
[22:14] Speaker 1: this experience is really about? Is it a learning experience?
[22:19] Speaker 1: Is it a trap? Is it something else? What do
[22:21] Speaker 1: you think?
[22:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've puzzled over this most of my life.
[22:26] Speaker 2: And I had a really.
[22:30] Speaker 3: Kind of freaky moment when I was doing ayahuasca, um,
[22:36] Speaker 3: I mean, I've done it many times, but on one journey,
[22:38] Speaker 3: I was curious about the, the kind of the levels
[22:42] Speaker 3: of control. And, and I suddenly became like aware and
[22:47] Speaker 3: I was surrounded by like these monstrous beings. And it
[22:50] Speaker 3: was almost like they were kind of archontic. They were
[22:53] Speaker 3: like controlling the matrix of, of, of, uh, the apparatus
[23:01] Speaker 3: basically that we are experiencing. And, um, and it was
[23:04] Speaker 3: almost like there is no escape kind of feeling, you know,
[23:07] Speaker 3: when I, when I, when I came to that level, but.
[23:12] Speaker 2: I see, I see, I feel like that's the.
[23:15] Speaker 3: NOS with the nice, the NOS description you're talking to
[23:18] Speaker 3: me about reminds me more of like a David Icke
[23:20] Speaker 3: kind of.
[23:21] Speaker 2: Approach, which is a bit more pessimistic.
[23:23] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[23:23] Speaker 3: I see it a little differently. Like, yes, I think
[23:26] Speaker 3: that there's, you could look at this as a trap.
[23:29] Speaker 3: You could also go to school and feel like you're trapped.
[23:33] Speaker 3: You could go to school and feel like you're in prison.
[23:36] Speaker 3: Or you could go even to prison and take it
[23:39] Speaker 3: as an opportunity to learn, to grow. So the limitation
[23:44] Speaker 3: of this realm is also an opportunity to grow. It
[23:50] Speaker 3: actually is the best opportunity to grow. It's the best
[23:52] Speaker 3: opportunity to face our fears because we are disconnected mentally
[23:58] Speaker 3: from our creator from, from the higher realms, let's say the,
[24:01] Speaker 3: you know, let's say the, the angelic realms. So being disconnected,
[24:05] Speaker 3: we don't know. And that's why a lot of, you know,
[24:08] Speaker 3: atheists and people like this can scoff at us as, oh,
[24:11] Speaker 3: you know, you're a bunch of nuts and, you know,
[24:13] Speaker 3: you don't have proof that God exists. You don't have
[24:16] Speaker 3: proof that, you know, whatever that, that there's a heavens
[24:20] Speaker 3: or that there's something hot, you know, hereafter, right.
[24:24] Speaker 2: You don't have proof.
[24:25] Speaker 3: And it's all just, this is just a Darwinian accident.
[24:27] Speaker 3: It's all just random mutations and blah, blah, blah. And
[24:31] Speaker 3: it's like, so that leap of faith that it requires
[24:35] Speaker 3: to actually like have an inner trust in your inner knowing, right?
[24:40] Speaker 3: Trust in that there is a higher power that's engendered this,
[24:46] Speaker 3: that we've agreed to be here for this working, right?
[24:49] Speaker 3: For this epic working. And it's a working of our soul's,
[24:54] Speaker 3: experiencing and learning through, through the physical form. Because, uh,
[24:59] Speaker 3: you know, if you're, if you're a computer, you're not
[25:01] Speaker 3: going to have an embodied experience. Um, and so this
[25:05] Speaker 3: embodiment is very key. That's why the body, there's great books,
[25:08] Speaker 3: you know, like the body holds the, what holds the score,
[25:11] Speaker 3: the body keeps the score, the body holds the secrets.
[25:13] Speaker 3: I mean, that's the idea is like the body has
[25:15] Speaker 3: so much intelligence in it. Um, and like, you know,
[25:19] Speaker 3: how we carry things, you know, how we carry traumas or, um,
[25:24] Speaker 3: or we have, you know, inclinations, instincts, intuitions, or, you know,
[25:27] Speaker 3: things that happen to us oftentimes spiritually or emotionally are
[25:31] Speaker 3: reflected in our organs or in different parts of our body.
[25:33] Speaker 3: So there's this whole like this harmonic microcosm of the
[25:37] Speaker 3: universe happening within our body that we've chosen this physical
[25:42] Speaker 3: form for a reason.
[25:43] Speaker 2: So yes, it can feel, of course, you can feel trapped.
[25:45] Speaker 3: I mean, especially you go into your imagination, your dream state,
[25:48] Speaker 3: you can You know, you can travel to different places.
[25:51] Speaker 3: You can experience things that, you know, you haven't physically experienced.
[25:54] Speaker 3: You know, you can, you know, whatever, experience the woman
[25:56] Speaker 3: of your dreams and you're dreaming and you wake up
[25:58] Speaker 3: and you're like, I'm in physical form and that's gone.
[26:00] Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of torture and suffering. And
[26:03] Speaker 3: this is what all, you know, all the religions have
[26:06] Speaker 3: appreciated and understood that, you know, that it's hard to
[26:08] Speaker 3: be in physical form.
[26:10] Speaker 2: You know, the Buddha's approach was....
[26:15] Speaker 3: Have to recognize that like we have to surrender essentially
[26:18] Speaker 3: to the reality right as long as we're in our
[26:21] Speaker 3: minds imagining you know imagining that things are different than
[26:26] Speaker 3: they are we're suffering the more we accept what it
[26:30] Speaker 3: is right we can appreciate what what is and and
[26:33] Speaker 3: be present to it and have more peace let's say
[26:36] Speaker 3: maybe not fully happiness but at least more peace um
[26:40] Speaker 3: maybe like the christ's approach because christ also you know,
[26:43] Speaker 3: was dealing with the, the Narcons and all the Nag
[26:46] Speaker 3: Hammadi texts are very much about the spiritual war.
[26:49] Speaker 1: Right.
[26:49] Speaker 3: Yeah. Um, uh, I think Christ's approach was essentially to, to,
[26:57] Speaker 3: you know, it's interesting, like to recognize the limits of
[27:00] Speaker 3: what can and can't be done while doing your, while
[27:03] Speaker 3: doing your spiritual work with the intention of, of the hereafter,
[27:07] Speaker 3: or let's say the world beyond.
[27:09] Speaker 2: I think that's critical.
[27:10] Speaker 3: Like the idea that as long as we are living,
[27:16] Speaker 3: you know, true ourselves, let's say, right, with purity of heart, that,
[27:22] Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of like in the Egyptian weighing
[27:26] Speaker 3: of the heart ceremony in the ancient world. It's like,
[27:28] Speaker 3: if your heart is pure and you've lived your truth, right,
[27:32] Speaker 3: and you've, you know, you've done your best and you're
[27:35] Speaker 3: not sitting there regretting the actions of people you've hurt,
[27:38] Speaker 3: you know, you've basically tried to live a good life
[27:40] Speaker 3: and you've been, you know, pure of heart, you will
[27:43] Speaker 3: ascend in the hereafter.
[27:44] Speaker 2: That's the idea, right?
[27:46] Speaker 3: That you will basically be able to transcend this realm,
[27:48] Speaker 3: this trap. But again, I don't see it as a trap.
[27:51] Speaker 3: I see it as an opportunity for growth. So until
[27:53] Speaker 3: we've gotten to that place of letting go, truly letting
[27:56] Speaker 3: go of like, hey, I've lived my life. I've done
[28:00] Speaker 3: what I was meant to do. I surrender it, right?
[28:03] Speaker 2: Then you will leave. But until then, it.
[28:05] Speaker 3: Will feel like a trap because we're still growing. We're
[28:07] Speaker 3: still learning through the incarnations, right? We still have work
[28:10] Speaker 3: to do. We still have things that you know, that
[28:12] Speaker 3: are unfinished. We have karmic bonds or whatever ties, actions
[28:15] Speaker 3: that we have to take, right? Until we've done that,
[28:18] Speaker 3: it's going to keep making us come back to learn
[28:20] Speaker 3: the lesson, to perform the duty, to do, you know,
[28:24] Speaker 3: to become more empathetic, to become more heart-based. And that's,
[28:28] Speaker 3: to me, the truth of this realm is like, this
[28:30] Speaker 3: realm is about becoming more heart-based. We talk about the body,
[28:33] Speaker 3: but like the heart is really the, you know, it's
[28:35] Speaker 3: the heart for a reason, right? It's like, that's our core.
[28:38] Speaker 3: That's our truth.
[28:39] Speaker 2: It's our connection to the divine.
[28:42] Speaker 3: And so the more we can become heart-based, despite the suffering,
[28:44] Speaker 3: despite the pain, despite the fear, right? That's how we
[28:49] Speaker 3: overcome this world.
[28:51] Speaker 1: That's more along the lines of how I view things
[28:54] Speaker 1: as well. Let's get a little deeper into those 10
[28:57] Speaker 1: things from your book. Without giving too much away, maybe
[29:00] Speaker 1: we could explore each of those sections a little bit,
[29:04] Speaker 1: starting with the first. Falling into existence.
[29:09] Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we fall into the world, right? I mean,
[29:11] Speaker 3: we fall out of the world and we, this first
[29:13] Speaker 3: stories are falling, um, falling. I mean, why think about
[29:17] Speaker 3: why falling is so important because it's a recalibration, right?
[29:21] Speaker 2: So when you're out of balance, what do you do?
[29:23] Speaker 2: You fall.
[29:24] Speaker 3: Um, when you're pushing too hard or you're just like
[29:27] Speaker 3: not in the right, you know, you're, you're, you're going
[29:29] Speaker 3: in the wrong way and you're out of, you know,
[29:32] Speaker 3: you're just, you're, you run out of steam.
[29:35] Speaker 2: Like you fall down. It's like the falling is a, um,
[29:38] Speaker 2: It's it's both symbolic and physical, right? In the sense that.
[29:42] Speaker 3: Physically we do learn how to fall when we're young
[29:44] Speaker 3: for a reason, right? How to tumble, how to take
[29:47] Speaker 3: it so that we don't, how do we roll and we,
[29:50] Speaker 3: you know, we, we don't hurt ourselves because if you fall,
[29:53] Speaker 3: you know, obviously you fall hard and you're, and you're
[29:55] Speaker 3: in resistance and so you're not, you know, going with
[29:57] Speaker 3: the fall, you can break bones, you can, So, you know,
[30:00] Speaker 3: hurt yourself. So the idea of learning how to fall
[30:03] Speaker 3: is like that grace of learning how to roll with
[30:08] Speaker 3: the experience, right?
[30:09] Speaker 2: To flow with it.
[30:11] Speaker 3: And so, you know, that's the physical side, which is
[30:13] Speaker 3: then a metaphoric side of like, yeah, we have to,
[30:18] Speaker 3: we fall to grow. I mean, that's think about like,
[30:21] Speaker 3: think about what you learn when you have failure in
[30:23] Speaker 3: your life. You have, when you fail, you have expanded
[30:27] Speaker 3: into a part of yourself, perhaps that you didn't know
[30:29] Speaker 3: was there.
[30:30] Speaker 1: Right.
[30:30] Speaker 2: Like we fail, fall, whatever.
[30:32] Speaker 3: Like we have that moment of like, boom, maybe it's monetary,
[30:36] Speaker 3: maybe it's a relationship. Maybe it's, um, you know, your,
[30:40] Speaker 3: you know, whatever your world collapses, it could be, you know,
[30:43] Speaker 3: your sense of self, your identity, right. It could be
[30:46] Speaker 3: a career and whatever. It's like, you think that you're
[30:50] Speaker 3: not going to survive. Sometimes you can feel like this
[30:52] Speaker 3: is killing me, but then you also realize that by
[30:55] Speaker 3: surviving it, you have grown, you've expanded.
[30:59] Speaker 2: Your character, your capacity.
[31:01] Speaker 1: That rock bottom state was so important in my life.
[31:06] Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here talking to you if I wouldn't
[31:09] Speaker 1: have had those very negative experiences, which led me to
[31:14] Speaker 1: seek spirituality, which led me to seek answers. I was
[31:17] Speaker 1: in such a dark place. I couldn't sink any further.
[31:20] Speaker 1: So I had to pull my way out of it somewhere.
[31:24] Speaker 1: And that's when I started exploring the nature of reality
[31:28] Speaker 1: and actually doing this show was after the darkest period
[31:31] Speaker 1: of my life. So I get that a hundred percent.
[31:34] Speaker 2: There you go. See, it's, it's necessary, right? It's, and
[31:37] Speaker 2: it's like alchemy.
[31:38] Speaker 3: I mean, we talk about alchemy a lot in the book, um,
[31:41] Speaker 3: that like Negrito, that blackening, you know, where it's just like,
[31:44] Speaker 3: you just, it just falls into like despair and darkness, but, um,
[31:48] Speaker 3: that's where we see the light. You know, it's like
[31:51] Speaker 3: when the darkness comes, that's when you, you see the stars. Um, so,
[31:55] Speaker 3: so falling is also, but then it's like falling is
[31:58] Speaker 3: like leads to this realization.
[32:01] Speaker 2: Of surrender, right?
[32:02] Speaker 3: Like we, once you fall, you can resist it. You
[32:04] Speaker 3: can be like Lucifer and be like, I'm going to
[32:07] Speaker 3: resist the fall eternally, right? I'm going to fight against
[32:09] Speaker 3: the fall. Or you can surrender to a new state,
[32:15] Speaker 3: kind of like Osiris in the Egyptian myth.
[32:17] Speaker 2: It's like Osiris is killed by his brother and.
[32:31] Speaker 3: Horus, the child, the child can basically take revenge on
[32:36] Speaker 3: set and become the new ruler. But Osiris doesn't get
[32:41] Speaker 3: to go back to being king. He has to go
[32:43] Speaker 3: become ruler of the underworld. So he basically, he surrenders
[32:48] Speaker 3: his previous role, right? So it's like in life, we
[32:50] Speaker 3: all go through, you know, whatever. I am this, I
[32:54] Speaker 3: am whatever, you know, I'm like, I'm a host, I'm
[32:57] Speaker 3: an actor, blah, blah, blah. Okay, I'm, you know, And
[32:59] Speaker 3: then we all go through role changes, right? It's like
[33:03] Speaker 3: even as an actor, you play a role and you realize, okay,
[33:06] Speaker 3: that's just the role. I'm moving on to a different role.
[33:10] Speaker 3: And it's the same with life. We go through roles,
[33:13] Speaker 3: whether it's, like I said, it could be relationships, it
[33:17] Speaker 3: could be careers, jobs, financial.
[33:21] Speaker 2: Situations, whatever.
[33:22] Speaker 3: It's like we play different roles. And so when you
[33:25] Speaker 3: surrender and you say, okay, I am not that role. I'm,
[33:28] Speaker 3: you know, I'm surrendering to what God wants. It's kind
[33:31] Speaker 3: of like, you know, one of the other stories we
[33:33] Speaker 3: talk about is like Jonah, you know, it's like Jonah's
[33:36] Speaker 3: being asked by God and, you know, to, to basically
[33:39] Speaker 3: become a teacher, right.
[33:41] Speaker 2: To become a prophet.
[33:43] Speaker 3: And, and he's like, I don't want to do this,
[33:45] Speaker 3: you know, and he runs away and he, you know,
[33:46] Speaker 3: he goes to the ocean and he gets sunk and
[33:49] Speaker 3: he gets swallowed by a whale.
[33:50] Speaker 1: Right.
[33:51] Speaker 3: And it's like, he's resisting, he's resisting. So until you
[33:54] Speaker 3: surrender and you say, okay, fine. I surrender to your will,
[33:59] Speaker 3: you know, and then it's like, then he, then he gets,
[34:01] Speaker 3: you know, spit out by the whale. He makes it
[34:03] Speaker 3: back to land and he becomes, he follows his destiny,
[34:06] Speaker 3: but he was resisting his destiny before.
[34:08] Speaker 2: So things were all went wrong.
[34:11] Speaker 1: And oftentimes, including in my own life, we could see
[34:15] Speaker 1: multiple falls and multiple surrenders based on where we're at
[34:21] Speaker 1: with our understanding and our spiritual growth and healing. After surrender,
[34:27] Speaker 1: what was the next step?
[34:29] Speaker 2: Crying.
[34:30] Speaker 1: Crying.
[34:31] Speaker 3: Okay.
[34:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[34:32] Speaker 2: I mean, we have to cry.
[34:33] Speaker 3: It's a, there's a catharsis that comes with crying. You
[34:36] Speaker 3: can't just bottle it up. And if you don't release, right,
[34:42] Speaker 3: you don't cry. It's like, you know, the resistance of,
[34:48] Speaker 3: let's say like a Medea, right. Who, you know, when
[34:52] Speaker 3: her husband comes back with another wife, basically, right.
[34:55] Speaker 2: He's, he's, he's, he's moved on.
[34:57] Speaker 3: He's like, I'm having another wife, you know, whatever, she's younger, prettier,
[35:01] Speaker 3: all this. It's like Medea goes, okay, I'm going to,
[35:04] Speaker 3: I'm going to, I'm not going to cry. I'm not
[35:06] Speaker 3: going to mourn, you know, and move on. I'm going
[35:09] Speaker 3: to murder our children. You're going to suffer, you know,
[35:15] Speaker 3: cause she's suffering. So she's like, you're going to suffer
[35:17] Speaker 3: like I'm suffering. And so she murders the kids. That's,
[35:20] Speaker 3: you know, that's like, that's unwept tears. Um, And that's,
[35:25] Speaker 3: you know, that's a problem of unwept tears. It's like
[35:27] Speaker 3: you've got to be, you know, even the greatest warrior, Achilles, right,
[35:31] Speaker 3: in mythology, the greatest warrior of all. He, at first,
[35:36] Speaker 3: you know, he rages when his best friend is killed
[35:38] Speaker 3: and he goes and takes revenge against Hector. But then,
[35:43] Speaker 3: you know, then he mutilates Hector's body. But then Hector's father,
[35:46] Speaker 3: you know, basically comes at night, King Priam, and he
[35:51] Speaker 3: comes humbly, even though he's the king of Troy. And
[35:54] Speaker 3: he kneels down and he begs for his son's body,
[35:58] Speaker 3: his corpse. He says, you know, it's like there's nothing
[36:00] Speaker 3: more you can take from me. You know, you've defeated him.
[36:05] Speaker 3: I just, you know, I just want to honor my,
[36:07] Speaker 3: you know, I just want to bury my son. And
[36:09] Speaker 3: he takes, you know, Achilles' hand and he kisses the
[36:11] Speaker 3: hand of the killer or the hand that killed his son.
[36:14] Speaker 3: And Achilles, you know, ultimately weeps with him because he sees, yeah,
[36:21] Speaker 3: we're all going to die. You know, we're all, we're all,
[36:23] Speaker 3: this is, this is the end for all of us, right?
[36:25] Speaker 3: And if we can't mourn the fact that we're all
[36:28] Speaker 3: going to lose and we're all going to lose those
[36:29] Speaker 3: that we love and our loved ones will lose us,
[36:33] Speaker 3: you know, then that softens us. That gives us more
[36:36] Speaker 3: empathy and more compassion.
[36:38] Speaker 1: Would you say one of the main aspects of surrender
[36:42] Speaker 1: is having a realization that the current way you're doing things,
[36:47] Speaker 1: the current rate things are going isn't working and most
[36:50] Speaker 1: likely never will?
[36:52] Speaker 3: Surrender is not saying like, so, you know, it's interesting
[36:57] Speaker 3: that we talk about the difference between surrender and defeat,
[37:02] Speaker 3: you know, the book. And it's like, when you're defeated,
[37:05] Speaker 3: you're under someone else's will, right? So when you're defeated,
[37:08] Speaker 3: you basically are, you know, someone else is dictating the
[37:11] Speaker 3: terms of whatever. You can be imprisoned, you can be enslaved,
[37:16] Speaker 3: you can be whatever. Like, let's just say you don't
[37:19] Speaker 3: have that choice anymore. Surrender is your choice. You take
[37:22] Speaker 3: the power back when you surrender.
[37:24] Speaker 2: Right.
[37:26] Speaker 3: And so when you surrender something, it doesn't mean that
[37:32] Speaker 3: the future is not going to bring it back in
[37:34] Speaker 3: some form. You know, it's like later we talk about like,
[37:37] Speaker 3: you know, the freedom to laugh and it's like, or
[37:39] Speaker 3: the learning to laugh and the freedom to laugh. And
[37:41] Speaker 3: it's like Job, Job suffers, you know, tremendously, you know,
[37:45] Speaker 3: when he, he loses everything, he loses his children, he
[37:49] Speaker 3: loses his wealth, he loses his, think he even loses
[37:52] Speaker 3: like his home. I mean, he basically gets like, he
[37:53] Speaker 3: gets destroyed, right? His whole, his health fails, you know,
[37:57] Speaker 3: it's like his whole world collapses. And, you know, whether
[38:03] Speaker 3: he surrenders or not, he essentially still has faith in God, right?
[38:06] Speaker 3: So you could say he still surrenders by having faith
[38:09] Speaker 3: in God and never renouncing God, never denouncing God or
[38:13] Speaker 3: cursing God. He basically says, you know, he stays he's still,
[38:16] Speaker 3: you know, in his heart, he still believes in God.
[38:18] Speaker 3: So that you could say is deep faith, which is
[38:20] Speaker 3: a type of surrender, right? And on the other side
[38:25] Speaker 3: of it, God rewards his faith and his patience, you know,
[38:30] Speaker 3: and the fact that he surrendered everything and he gets
[38:34] Speaker 3: everything back and multiplied, including more children. So that's why
[38:40] Speaker 3: I say like, We don't know what's on the other side.
[38:42] Speaker 3: We don't know if you surrender something, it's not going
[38:44] Speaker 3: to come back or it's something better is not going
[38:46] Speaker 3: to come back or something more is going to come back.
[38:49] Speaker 2: You don't know. But the point is just simply letting
[38:52] Speaker 2: it go, not being attached. Right.
[38:55] Speaker 3: Because we talked about the nature of this reality is
[38:57] Speaker 3: like you can't attach to it anyway because it's all impermanent.
[39:00] Speaker 2: You know, one moment it's like, oh, you know, I
[39:02] Speaker 2: love whatever. I love this house. Well, you're not going
[39:05] Speaker 2: to stay in this house your entire life, you know?
[39:08] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[39:09] Speaker 2: You know?
[39:10] Speaker 3: I love this person. Okay, but that person is going
[39:12] Speaker 3: to change. You know, that's why we talked later about
[39:14] Speaker 3: like learning how to love. That person is going to change.
[39:16] Speaker 3: You know, it's, you know, what you love in this moment,
[39:19] Speaker 3: you know, the next moment they may behave or have,
[39:22] Speaker 3: you know, attitudes that you don't love as much. Can
[39:25] Speaker 3: you find unconditional love, which is the hardest form of love, right?
[39:28] Speaker 3: That's why it's like... that's the pinnacle. The unconditional love
[39:31] Speaker 3: is so rare. Um, mostly it's, it's only family, you know,
[39:37] Speaker 3: only families. I think soul families can have it too.
[39:39] Speaker 3: I think people that are like at a soul connection,
[39:41] Speaker 3: they can have unconditional love for, for someone. But, uh,
[39:45] Speaker 3: but for the most part, you know, we don't unconditionally
[39:48] Speaker 3: love everybody. You know, somebody, disrespects us or scorns us
[39:51] Speaker 3: we're like you're out of my life yeah well.
[39:56] Speaker 1: We mentioned a bit about crying what would be the
[40:00] Speaker 1: next step after this caring caring yeah yeah it's pretty self-explanatory.
[40:08] Speaker 3: Caring is discernment you know well it's it's an interesting
[40:10] Speaker 3: chapter you know because we get into like the nature
[40:13] Speaker 3: of there is an aspect of um um not just discernment,
[40:19] Speaker 3: but also like, what's the word? There's an aspect of
[40:25] Speaker 3: letting things grow through commitment, right? Of, you know, making
[40:29] Speaker 3: commitments and also like the care for strangers. You know,
[40:37] Speaker 3: we talk about, we talk about a number of things,
[40:39] Speaker 3: but like, you know, the ancient, like the new movie
[40:41] Speaker 3: Odyssey gets into this, you know, the idea of hospitality, right?
[40:45] Speaker 3: That's the ancient world was like, be hospitable because you
[40:48] Speaker 3: never know when God's going to show up. And that's,
[40:50] Speaker 3: you know, that was the Greek way. And then it's
[40:51] Speaker 3: literally in the old Testament too, right? You know, God
[40:53] Speaker 3: and his angels shows up to Abraham, you know, and
[40:56] Speaker 3: Abraham is like, you know, treats them well. And, and
[41:00] Speaker 3: so it's like caring, but also you have to learn
[41:04] Speaker 3: that even if you care for something tremendously, you may
[41:06] Speaker 3: have to let it go.
[41:08] Speaker 2: You may have to surrender that. So speaking of Abraham.
[41:11] Speaker 3: Like we talk about like an episode where God says
[41:14] Speaker 3: you have to, you have to sacrifice your firstborn.
[41:19] Speaker 2: Indicative of that world, right? And Abraham is ready to
[41:25] Speaker 2: do it.
[41:26] Speaker 3: And we can say that's pretty psychologically sick. But we
[41:31] Speaker 3: can also say from a moral perspective, let's say from a...
[41:34] Speaker 3: Beyond morality, sorry. Let's say from a mythic perspective. It
[41:40] Speaker 3: is the willingness to sacrifice even what you love most.
[41:44] Speaker 2: So....
[41:46] Speaker 3: You know, moral, you know, yeah, let's put morality aside of,
[41:51] Speaker 3: you know, sacrificing your child. The idea is that, you know,
[41:54] Speaker 3: when you have faith in a higher power, a higher cause.
[41:59] Speaker 2: And so, you know, this kind.
[42:00] Speaker 3: Of goes to a lot of perhaps what's going on
[42:04] Speaker 3: amongst the elites, because that display, by the way, the
[42:08] Speaker 3: cremation of care is the opening ceremony of the Bohemian
[42:12] Speaker 3: Grove every summer, right? You've seen the video, Alex Jones,
[42:16] Speaker 3: recorded you know where they do the cremation of care
[42:19] Speaker 3: where they literally basically they literally call upon the spirit
[42:22] Speaker 3: of care and and then they they sacrifice a child
[42:28] Speaker 3: they burn a child now it's it's not a real
[42:30] Speaker 3: child it's a an effigy but the energy of that
[42:35] Speaker 3: is very interesting that they're basically saying hey we're willing
[42:38] Speaker 3: to to kill the child to release care so that
[42:42] Speaker 3: we can be free we're letting go of our cares
[42:45] Speaker 3: now I think the intention is different. I don't think
[42:49] Speaker 3: the intention, see, I think that intention, so I think
[42:51] Speaker 3: there's an inversion. So I think their intention is basically saying,
[42:55] Speaker 3: if I get rid of all my cares, I will
[42:57] Speaker 3: be free. Abraham's intention is, I have such faith in
[43:02] Speaker 3: my creator that I trust his will more than my own.
[43:09] Speaker 3: Two different, see, like it looks the same, but it's
[43:11] Speaker 3: completely different intentions.
[43:13] Speaker 1: So crying, what comes next?
[43:16] Speaker 2: Crying, caring, hating. Hating, okay.
[43:23] Speaker 1: Let's go over this a little bit.
[43:24] Speaker 2: Very powerful, very powerful chapter. Very powerful chapter.
[43:28] Speaker 3: Because it's the dark side. And I mean, you're not
[43:30] Speaker 3: going to get, the dark side is woven into our reality.
[43:32] Speaker 3: You're not going to get rid of hate as a fuel,
[43:36] Speaker 3: you know, just like anger and hate are fuels, right?
[43:38] Speaker 3: So partly it's, you know, we can all say like,
[43:42] Speaker 3: I don't hate anybody. It's like, okay, yeah, until maybe
[43:45] Speaker 3: you get violated and you might feel hate, right? Unless
[43:48] Speaker 3: your boundaries are violated, right? Someone steals something from you,
[43:55] Speaker 3: including life, right? It becomes more and more precious. You know,
[43:59] Speaker 3: of course you're going to feel hate. So the question
[44:01] Speaker 3: is like, what to do with that energy, essentially? Because
[44:07] Speaker 3: you can, there's obviously many paths, you know, and we're
[44:09] Speaker 3: not saying like, there's only one. We talk about the
[44:11] Speaker 3: different um, expressions of, of hate, but like, you know,
[44:15] Speaker 3: you can, you can have the, the discipline of a
[44:20] Speaker 3: warrior who can strike down the enemy without hatred, right.
[44:26] Speaker 3: Who can just do it out of, out of principle,
[44:28] Speaker 3: you know, it's like, okay, you know, this, this person is,
[44:31] Speaker 3: is a danger, a threat, right. You strike that person down,
[44:34] Speaker 3: but you don't hate them. You don't attach to that
[44:36] Speaker 3: feeling of hate. It's just, it's just pure principle, right.
[44:40] Speaker 3: That's like, there's one level And then there's another level
[44:43] Speaker 3: of saying, okay, well, I hate the situation like a Gandhi, right? Gandhi's,
[44:46] Speaker 3: you know, his whole mission kind of starts when he's
[44:50] Speaker 3: kicked off a train in apartheid South Africa because he's
[44:53] Speaker 3: trying to be in the wrong class. You know, he's
[44:54] Speaker 3: trying to sit in the wrong class. He's a, you know,
[44:56] Speaker 3: he's a second class citizen. And so his whole passion,
[45:01] Speaker 3: you know, against injustice, let's start from a place of hatred,
[45:04] Speaker 3: but he doesn't hate the people. Essentially, he transforms his
[45:07] Speaker 3: hatred into a battle against the system. And so I
[45:11] Speaker 3: think this is like a really important point is that
[45:15] Speaker 3: when we have hatred of things, let's say like we
[45:17] Speaker 3: hate whatever we can say, like I hate government over,
[45:20] Speaker 3: you know, government abuse of power.
[45:22] Speaker 2: I hate corruption. I hate, you know, blah, blah, blah.
[45:25] Speaker 2: It doesn't become like, I hate Joe Biden. I hate,
[45:29] Speaker 2: you know, Trump.
[45:29] Speaker 3: Like all that is personalization that actually like diminishes us
[45:34] Speaker 3: because now we become, we become attached to those, those
[45:36] Speaker 3: people energetically. So it's like, rather than hating the person,
[45:42] Speaker 3: Hate the principle, hate the system, hate the things that
[45:46] Speaker 3: are actually obstructing you, confounding you, oppressing you, whatever it is.
[45:53] Speaker 3: And maybe put your energy into trying to change things
[45:56] Speaker 3: or change your relationship to it. Because there are things
[45:59] Speaker 3: that we're not going to be able to maybe change.
[46:02] Speaker 3: So how do we change our attitude and our relationship
[46:04] Speaker 3: with it?
[46:07] Speaker 1: Hate seems to be a very important aspect in many
[46:11] Speaker 1: people's lives right now because of the realization and awareness.
[46:15] Speaker 1: It can get difficult because what do we do with that?
[46:19] Speaker 1: You mentioned directing the hate. Say if we are looking
[46:24] Speaker 1: at the psychotic ruling class, trying to bring awareness to
[46:29] Speaker 1: that would be an outlet for that. Yes. Right.
[46:33] Speaker 3: Bringing awareness, um, Again, it could be getting active, getting
[46:40] Speaker 3: involved with petitioning or with getting politically active, running for office,
[46:47] Speaker 3: doing things that are outlets for you. It could be
[46:50] Speaker 3: changing your relationship, seeking out maybe like, hey, maybe I
[46:55] Speaker 3: need to shift my status and become more sovereign. in
[46:59] Speaker 3: my relationship to government, right, even in relation, you know,
[47:03] Speaker 3: relationship to whatever, to your, to your, to yourself, to
[47:06] Speaker 3: your finances, to your reality, it's like, essentially, it's like, okay, look,
[47:11] Speaker 3: there are, there are going to be crimes and criminals
[47:14] Speaker 3: across this planet, and I can't, I can't affect that,
[47:19] Speaker 3: I would, you know, be fantastic, I would love to
[47:21] Speaker 3: just go around and execute all these, these motherfuckers, right, like,
[47:25] Speaker 3: that'd be fantastic, but That's probably not going to happen, right?
[47:28] Speaker 2: So how do I take.
[47:28] Speaker 3: My anger at the people that are committing these atrocities
[47:35] Speaker 3: against other humans? And how do I channel that into
[47:39] Speaker 3: something that's creative, maybe creative? That's why creativity is like
[47:43] Speaker 3: the chapter after hate. Maybe I can create something from it.
[47:46] Speaker 3: Maybe I can tell a story from it.
[47:48] Speaker 1: Creativity is huge. That was one of the biggest aspects
[47:51] Speaker 1: in my journey, starting to Use my creative abilities, my imagination,
[47:58] Speaker 1: and apply it in the material world, in my life,
[48:02] Speaker 1: so that I could channel that into something that would
[48:06] Speaker 1: benefit me. I think creativity is something that is attempting
[48:11] Speaker 1: to be snuffed out on a grand scale right now.
[48:14] Speaker 1: There are many things that are working against people's creativity,
[48:18] Speaker 1: but it's one of the most powerful advantages and weapons
[48:22] Speaker 1: that we have as humans is our ability to create
[48:25] Speaker 1: in our divine connection to something. Right.
[48:29] Speaker 3: And that's the point, you know, so there's also something
[48:32] Speaker 3: divine in a sense of like, when we see the things,
[48:34] Speaker 3: the darkness in the world, it's an opportunity for us
[48:37] Speaker 3: to also reflect upon ourselves, you know, how are we
[48:40] Speaker 3: contributing it to it? How are we a reflection. How
[48:44] Speaker 3: are we a reflection of it? Is that darkness within us?
[48:48] Speaker 3: Is there an aspect of our own thoughts that is
[48:51] Speaker 3: manifesting them? Because that's really what I think when I
[48:56] Speaker 3: go to the heart of what's happening in the simulation
[48:58] Speaker 3: that we call the holographic simulation of this reality.
[49:01] Speaker 2: It's like our thoughts have to go somewhere.
[49:06] Speaker 3: I think our thoughts as a collective manifest the shit
[49:10] Speaker 3: that goes on here.
[49:12] Speaker 1: I think that at the higher levels, the psychopathy that's
[49:17] Speaker 1: abundant prevents them from having the creative ability that we
[49:22] Speaker 1: have so they use us to create whatever systems they
[49:25] Speaker 1: want out of fear and propaganda because they don't have
[49:29] Speaker 1: that same ability but i've noticed some major changes in
[49:34] Speaker 1: the past few years especially in things like the entertainment
[49:37] Speaker 1: business Where independent content creators and filmmakers and musicians are
[49:43] Speaker 1: having a shot that they didn't have before. And they're
[49:47] Speaker 1: able to get their foot in the door without going
[49:50] Speaker 1: through these gatekeepers. And there's some major changes happening along
[49:55] Speaker 1: those lines that seem to be very positive for people.
[50:00] Speaker 3: There's all, you know, we are in a way, I mean, look,
[50:04] Speaker 3: I look back on history and I'm like, I wouldn't
[50:06] Speaker 3: want to be alive in those eras. I mean, life
[50:09] Speaker 3: was much harder in every, in every sense, um, to
[50:14] Speaker 3: the point where, I mean, yeah, there've obviously, there've been
[50:19] Speaker 3: periods of peace, but, you know, especially, I mean, like,
[50:23] Speaker 3: let's say, look at European history. It's like pretty much
[50:25] Speaker 3: peace is the exception. And it's usually like constant wars, um,
[50:30] Speaker 3: building up to the world war one and world war two,
[50:32] Speaker 3: which was completely decimating. I mean, can you imagine what our,
[50:36] Speaker 3: what our grandparents and great grandparents went through with, with
[50:39] Speaker 3: those conflicts.
[50:41] Speaker 2: It's just, it was, it was, it was a horror.
[50:44] Speaker 3: And so when you look at what's happening now and
[50:48] Speaker 3: the fact that like, there are pockets of places like
[50:52] Speaker 3: Gaza or whatnot, where it's like, it's, it's complete atrocity
[50:55] Speaker 3: and it's, it's, it's horrendous to see what's happening. And
[50:59] Speaker 3: I'm sure there's many other situations like, you know, of
[51:02] Speaker 3: maybe not the same magnitude, but of similar situations of, of, uh, of,
[51:05] Speaker 3: of horror, right. Being perpetrated in places, you know, could
[51:08] Speaker 3: be in Africa, it can be parts of Asia that again,
[51:10] Speaker 3: that gets less attention. Um, but then, you know, we,
[51:14] Speaker 3: we consider like the consciousness of the collective being shared
[51:18] Speaker 3: through alternative media, the, um, the creative outlets for us
[51:22] Speaker 3: that we can, you know, we can watch stories and
[51:25] Speaker 3: see so many stories. Um, but yes, to your point
[51:28] Speaker 3: about the elites, I do feel that an ancient aspect
[51:31] Speaker 3: of magic is using stories as a vehicle to manifest,
[51:38] Speaker 3: you know, in a sense, like, um, putting out, putting
[51:42] Speaker 3: out stories or, or, or memes or whatnot, right. Into
[51:46] Speaker 3: the collective and letting the collective manifest that, that timeline
[51:50] Speaker 3: or that reality. I do wonder it because of the
[51:53] Speaker 3: power of human, human thought. And so it's like, as
[51:58] Speaker 3: we think, so it becomes so, um.
[52:02] Speaker 1: I think that's an aspect of a lot of predictive
[52:05] Speaker 1: programming that we've seen come out of our entertainment for decades.
[52:10] Speaker 1: Look at where it has led us with our technology
[52:13] Speaker 1: and understandings. Things that we've seen decades ago in a
[52:17] Speaker 1: TV show or a movie is now just part of
[52:20] Speaker 1: our lives. So creativity, what is next?
[52:25] Speaker 3: Creativity, which again is very important because it's about reflection.
[52:29] Speaker 3: It's about, you know, what's motivating our creativity. Is it
[52:31] Speaker 3: coming from a place of ego or from a, from
[52:34] Speaker 3: a place of a higher, you know, let's say like
[52:37] Speaker 3: a higher aspirational force, um, you know, and, uh, and then,
[52:43] Speaker 3: and then from creativity, we go into sharing, right? Cause
[52:46] Speaker 3: when you create, you're sharing with the world, um, can
[52:50] Speaker 3: be sharing with a few people that can be sharing
[52:52] Speaker 3: with one person or it can be sharing with millions,
[52:54] Speaker 3: you know, But sharing is important in our reality, as
[52:56] Speaker 3: we know. Without sharing, there is no world. We don't,
[53:01] Speaker 3: you know, we share, you know, when we, that's like
[53:04] Speaker 3: sharing is an aspect, you know, it's an aspect of
[53:08] Speaker 3: our life, you know, of being, you know, of being
[53:12] Speaker 3: in community, right? Whether it's like, you know, we share
[53:15] Speaker 3: of ourselves through our work, you know, we all, whether
[53:20] Speaker 3: we wake up in the morning and, you know, drink
[53:22] Speaker 3: a coffee that was, you know, from a crop somewhere,
[53:26] Speaker 3: you know, that was grown somewhere else, right? And transported
[53:29] Speaker 3: and we're able to make it or we go to
[53:31] Speaker 3: a restaurant, we're eating food that's been grown and many
[53:34] Speaker 3: hands have touched it in a sense to, touched it
[53:36] Speaker 3: before it comes in our mouth. So it's like this
[53:39] Speaker 3: whole experience is a shared experience, you know, of life.
[53:45] Speaker 3: And then sharing obviously then is an aspect of love.
[53:49] Speaker 3: And we go deeper in the next chapter into love,
[53:51] Speaker 3: you know, because love has, there's unconditional, there's unrequited, there's
[53:57] Speaker 3: the healthy love, which is not sacrificial, but is willing
[54:01] Speaker 3: to let go, right? It's not possessive. You know, it's
[54:04] Speaker 3: like a healthy, it's a healthy love that allows for freedom.
[54:07] Speaker 3: Because I, you know, to me, it's like love in
[54:09] Speaker 3: its highest form.
[54:11] Speaker 2: It's liberating.
[54:13] Speaker 3: And, you know, it shouldn't, you know, it may have
[54:17] Speaker 3: like a fire, it may have certain boundaries, so it
[54:19] Speaker 3: doesn't burn uncontrollably, but it's committed and it's And it's
[54:24] Speaker 3: also free enough to dance the fire. You know, you
[54:26] Speaker 3: can't predict where it's going to move next, right? It's
[54:29] Speaker 3: got a certain freedom to it. So then, you know,
[54:32] Speaker 3: we get into love. And then from love, we get into.
[54:37] Speaker 2: Breathing.
[54:38] Speaker 3: So we talked about freedom. And then we come back
[54:42] Speaker 3: to the breath, because the breath is the link between
[54:45] Speaker 3: the spiritual and physical realms, right? There's no life without breath.
[54:51] Speaker 3: Breath is primordial. All meditations and whatnot take us back
[54:56] Speaker 3: to the breath. And this is a tripart breath. Breath
[55:00] Speaker 3: is inhale, pause, exhale, pause, inhale, pause. So it's kind
[55:07] Speaker 3: of the nature of life. It's like the flow of life, right?
[55:10] Speaker 3: Things come in. There's maybe a pause period. Things go out.
[55:15] Speaker 3: There's a pause. And you can't hold on. You can't
[55:18] Speaker 3: hold your breath.
[55:19] Speaker 2: And....
[55:22] Speaker 3: You know, be more full, but you're going to have
[55:24] Speaker 3: to let it go. And so it's the same with,
[55:26] Speaker 3: you know, it's, it's, it's like kind of, you know,
[55:28] Speaker 3: the same with anything in life. You can't hoard, you
[55:31] Speaker 3: can't just, you know, you can't just hold it. It's
[55:32] Speaker 3: kind of, we go back to the parable, the talents
[55:34] Speaker 3: from Christ, you know, it's like the, the different servants,
[55:36] Speaker 3: you know, each servant is given, is given gold and
[55:39] Speaker 3: two of the servants invest the gold and, and they,
[55:42] Speaker 3: and they are able because they, they invest it, they're
[55:44] Speaker 3: able to get more and one servant tries to bury
[55:47] Speaker 3: it and he, and it gets taken from him. So
[55:50] Speaker 3: it's like, you know, you can't just, You can't just hoard.
[55:52] Speaker 3: You can't just hold on. You got to give back.
[55:56] Speaker 3: There's an exchange.
[55:57] Speaker 2: There's a reciprocity. So the breath chapter is very interesting.
[56:00] Speaker 3: It gets into a lot of things, including our emotional
[56:02] Speaker 3: states and how much we can affect our emotional states
[56:05] Speaker 3: or our emotional states are affected by our breath. So
[56:09] Speaker 3: if we work with the breath, we can kind of
[56:12] Speaker 3: calm ourselves, as we know, and get to a place
[56:15] Speaker 3: of more harmony. And then breath proceeds laughing. because laughter
[56:22] Speaker 3: to me is like the final release, right? So it's like,
[56:27] Speaker 3: whether you're happy, whether you're sad, there is a release
[56:32] Speaker 3: in laughter. So, you know, we get into that, you know,
[56:35] Speaker 3: sometimes things are absurd and we laugh at the absurdity
[56:38] Speaker 3: of things. Sometimes, you know, everything is taken from us
[56:41] Speaker 3: or it's like, we're just, you know, we feel like
[56:43] Speaker 3: completely lost and we just laugh at like, we're, you know, okay,
[56:46] Speaker 3: it's gone. I can't, you know, I can't control that
[56:49] Speaker 3: or I surrender. We have to learn to laugh at ourselves, right?
[56:54] Speaker 3: Not hold on, not cling to our self-image. We talk
[56:59] Speaker 3: about like Don Quixote, for example, and his freedom to,
[57:04] Speaker 3: you know, to play different, you know, to imagine his world, right? And,
[57:08] Speaker 3: you know, he imagines himself as a knight and he
[57:11] Speaker 3: imagines that the inn is a castle and the whore
[57:14] Speaker 3: is a princess and.
[57:15] Speaker 2: All this stuff.
[57:15] Speaker 3: But there's like, and we're laughing at him, but there's
[57:17] Speaker 3: also a freedom to, what he's saying and what he's living, right?
[57:21] Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not attached to the role. I'm not
[57:25] Speaker 3: attached to this role I'm playing, you know? And you
[57:28] Speaker 3: can reinvent yourself. You can reinvent your reality. So, you know,
[57:32] Speaker 3: we draw upon a lot of stories like that, you know,
[57:34] Speaker 3: like the little prince and Caligula and the emperors, their
[57:40] Speaker 3: emperors' new clothes, all these, you know, all these different
[57:43] Speaker 3: stories to remind people of, you know, again, the different
[57:47] Speaker 3: modes of laughter And, um, and ultimately we end with
[57:51] Speaker 3: the ode to joy, which to me is like, that's
[57:54] Speaker 3: like the highest expression of, of, of humanity is joy, right?
[57:58] Speaker 3: When we can enter that state of just, of just
[58:01] Speaker 3: pure ecstasy, pure joy. And at the same time, we
[58:06] Speaker 3: don't maintain that state. It'll, you know, it too will pass. And,
[58:09] Speaker 3: but that's the nature of life. You know, the cycles
[58:11] Speaker 3: will come and go, like we'll fall again. We'll have
[58:14] Speaker 3: to surrender again. We'll, you know, we'll cry again. We'll
[58:17] Speaker 3: laugh again.
[58:17] Speaker 2: It's, it's all, You know, it's all turning.
[58:22] Speaker 1: I love it. It reflects the steps that I have
[58:25] Speaker 1: been taking in my journey as well. Are you hopeful
[58:29] Speaker 1: right now with everything that's unfolding with the state of
[58:33] Speaker 1: society that more healing will take place in the future
[58:40] Speaker 1: decades than we've experienced in our reality?
[58:46] Speaker 3: I think it's inevitable because of the nature of communication,
[58:50] Speaker 3: that we're able to communicate these truths to each other
[58:53] Speaker 3: more readily. You know, you think about, you open your whatever,
[58:57] Speaker 3: you know, whatever you choose, whatever you choose to let
[58:59] Speaker 3: into your reality and follow, right? So you may have a,
[59:03] Speaker 3: you know, a choice of like, I'm going to focus on,
[59:07] Speaker 3: you know, hot.
[59:09] Speaker 2: Girls and guns or whatever, you know, or.
[59:12] Speaker 3: I can focus on like, you know, spiritual insights and
[59:15] Speaker 3: beautiful places, right? And like, and what's, you know, how
[59:19] Speaker 3: do you say what's uplifting my soul?
[59:22] Speaker 1: Right?
[59:22] Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, and then as you choose,
[59:24] Speaker 2: so it's like.
[59:24] Speaker 3: It gets reflected into your reality through your social media,
[59:27] Speaker 3: through people that come into your life, through opportunities that
[59:29] Speaker 3: come into your life. So it's like when we shift
[59:32] Speaker 3: our focus of where we're, you know, where we're looking
[59:35] Speaker 3: and what we're interested in, it's going to get reflected
[59:38] Speaker 3: back to us. And now we have so much more
[59:40] Speaker 3: room for that reflection because of, again, because of the internet,
[59:43] Speaker 3: because of our access to things. I mean, the fact
[59:45] Speaker 3: is like people talk about Amazon as a negative, but
[59:48] Speaker 3: the fact that we can get, you know, books that were,
[59:52] Speaker 3: you know, maybe you couldn't necessarily go to the bookstore
[59:54] Speaker 3: and buy in the old days or find, you know,
[59:56] Speaker 3: like you can get so many books and you can
[59:58] Speaker 3: get it delivered to you right away. Or you can
[59:59] Speaker 3: get it on Kindle if you don't like to, to
[1:00:01] Speaker 3: have physical copies or whatever it is. It's like, you can,
[1:00:04] Speaker 3: you can read, you can, you can, you can seek,
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: you can find one minute TikTok videos that can give
[1:00:09] Speaker 3: you like quick insights into something that maybe will spark
[1:00:12] Speaker 3: interest later in life or, or, you know, whatnot. So, um,
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: the information is there. Now we have to deepen with that.
[1:00:21] Speaker 3: So information is one level, but it's not going to
[1:00:24] Speaker 3: take us to wisdom. We have to go through the journey,
[1:00:27] Speaker 3: the hero's quest to achieve that wisdom.
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: To close out, you mentioned ayahuasca, that you have done
[1:00:35] Speaker 1: a few sessions. Psychedelics were a massive part of my
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: healing journey, and I don't recommend psychedelics to anyone. That's
[1:00:43] Speaker 1: their own personal journey that they should approach with respect
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: and research. But as far as what's happening recently with
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: research done in psychedelics, some of the trials for PTSD,
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: even Alzheimer's, the benefits seem to be incredible as it
[1:01:03] Speaker 1: relates to what these compounds can do. Do you have
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: any thoughts on where we're going with the realms of psychedelics?
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: Psychedelics is, you know, it's just, it's one, one aspect of,
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: it's one aspect of opening the gates, right?
[1:01:19] Speaker 2: The, of higher consciousness.
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: It's not the only way it just kind of gives
[1:01:23] Speaker 3: us for those, because most people are not sitting in,
[1:01:25] Speaker 3: you know, in temples for, for years, right. Accessing that
[1:01:30] Speaker 3: higher consciousness. So it's kind of a shortcut. And I
[1:01:34] Speaker 3: think that has, again, I don't comment, you know, everyone's
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: got their own experience here. Everyone's drawn to the things
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: that they're drawn to at that time in their life
[1:01:41] Speaker 3: that they're meant to receive it, I believe. So, um,
[1:01:45] Speaker 3: To me, you know, mushrooms, ayahuasca, iboga have all been fascinating,
[1:01:49] Speaker 3: but I don't partake of them like casually. I can
[1:01:52] Speaker 3: partake of them when I feel called and I feel like,
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: you know, there's questions or there's something initiatory that I'm
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: ready to go through. And I look at each time
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: as like an initiatory journey to deepen my, you.
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: Know, reflections. Anything from the earth is helpful.
[1:02:07] Speaker 3: I believe that the answers and the healing is from
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: the earth much more than from pharmaceuticals. So I'm certainly
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: an advocate for working with plant-based medicines.
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: Right on. Sean, thank you so much. This was great.
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: Remind everyone when they're going to be able to pick
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: up the book.
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's available.
[1:02:28] Speaker 3: It's available from Tucker Carlson Books. If you want to
[1:02:31] Speaker 3: pre-order on Amazon, it's there, but they can buy it
[1:02:33] Speaker 3: right now from Tucker Carlson.
[1:02:35] Speaker 1: Awesome, man. Well, thank you so much. I'd definitely love
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: to do this again. And until next time, everyone have
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow. We'll see y'all then.
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