# Melissa Dawn | Astrological Ages, Consciousness Evolution, Aquarius & the Shadow Side

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 4 Sep 2026, 1 h 00 min.

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[0:02] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:04] Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
[0:08] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:10] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:14] Speaker 1: your host, Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Melissa Dawn.
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[0:41] Speaker 1: email me, ForbiddenKnowledgeNews at gmail.com. Today I want to welcome
[0:46] Speaker 1: back to the show Melissa Dawn. She is a writer, researcher,
[0:50] Speaker 1: and content creator devoted to folklore and true crime. Melissa,
[0:54] Speaker 1: welcome back. How you doing?
[0:56] Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on.
[0:59] Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming back on. I always enjoy
[1:01] Speaker 1: our discussions. Recently, you've been looking into how the astrological
[1:06] Speaker 1: ages and procession of equinoxes may correlate and directly affect
[1:11] Speaker 1: the events unfolding here in our reality, religious movements and
[1:15] Speaker 1: cultural changes. And there's a probability of the ruling class
[1:20] Speaker 1: using knowledge of the changes associated with different astrological eras
[1:25] Speaker 1: to manipulate people and affect the direction that consciousness is headed.
[1:30] Speaker 1: Very interesting topic today. Before we get into it, remind
[1:34] Speaker 1: the audience a little bit about yourself and let them
[1:36] Speaker 1: know how they can get more.
[1:38] Speaker 2: Well, my name is Melissa and I run primarily my
[1:44] Speaker 2: podcast via a YouTube channel. You can look it up
[1:47] Speaker 2: at Melissa Dawn Show. It's got a little bit of
[1:51] Speaker 2: a cuss word in it. So I don't know if
[1:52] Speaker 2: Chris wants me.
[1:53] Speaker 1: To say it.
[1:54] Speaker 2: I've changed it.
[1:54] Speaker 1: Say whatever you like.
[1:56] Speaker 2: I always say you guys can go to theclusterfuck.com because
[1:59] Speaker 2: I'm just like this whole me and my husband say
[2:01] Speaker 2: it every time. What a cluster. You know what? And
[2:04] Speaker 2: so I just was like, okay, here we go. That's
[2:07] Speaker 2: what we're talking about. This crazy world. So that's where
[2:10] Speaker 2: you can find me. You can come and subscribe on
[2:12] Speaker 2: the YouTube channel. I'm usually live streaming Sundays at 5 p.m. Eastern.
[2:16] Speaker 2: And then I do member shows and all that stuff
[2:18] Speaker 2: we talk about. Amongst things like Age of Aquarius, we
[2:21] Speaker 2: talk just about the crazy stuff that's going on, different
[2:24] Speaker 2: kind of esoteric stuff. I try to be really neutral
[2:28] Speaker 2: in the politics, but it comes up. We'll talk about
[2:31] Speaker 2: conspiracy theories, MKUltra, you know, all that kind of jazz.
[2:36] Speaker 2: And as for this topic, you know, I just started
[2:39] Speaker 2: looking at studying like goddess religion and the different religions
[2:44] Speaker 2: and then, you know, looking at how each religion was
[2:46] Speaker 2: in a certain sign. And how different technologies kind of
[2:53] Speaker 2: start showing up. And you realize that like the goddess
[2:57] Speaker 2: era was in Taurus. And then you go from goddess
[3:02] Speaker 2: to polytheism. And then from polytheism to monotheism. And it's
[3:07] Speaker 2: like a, you know, 2600 year period, generally. Or no, 2160, sorry, 2160.
[3:14] Speaker 2: year period. It's a 26,000 for the whole 12 astrological
[3:17] Speaker 2: signs that the earth wobbles through. And I just start realizing, oh,
[3:21] Speaker 2: there's some really interesting big picture stuff, which is what
[3:24] Speaker 2: I'm good at going on here and the changes. And
[3:28] Speaker 2: I'm like, gee, I wonder if that's part of what's
[3:31] Speaker 2: going on today.
[3:33] Speaker 1: Right on. I've only done a handful of episodes about
[3:36] Speaker 1: astrology and correlations to events and procession of ages, but
[3:41] Speaker 1: there's definitely some kind of energy and effects that come
[3:45] Speaker 1: from star alignments and planetary positions that connect directly with
[3:50] Speaker 1: events here. We're currently entering into the age of Aquarius,
[3:54] Speaker 1: is that right?
[3:56] Speaker 2: Well, that's, and I'm no astrologer, guys, so bear with
[4:00] Speaker 2: me here, but that's the consensus is that within, we're
[4:05] Speaker 2: kind of wobbling into it. everyone likes to see it
[4:08] Speaker 2: as a specific date, but it's not like a solid
[4:10] Speaker 2: line because the earth is slowly moving and wobbling through these,
[4:15] Speaker 2: you know, this procession of the equinox. And so it's
[4:20] Speaker 2: sort of like we transitioned. So you can sort of
[4:22] Speaker 2: feel the influence coming. And some people are trying to
[4:26] Speaker 2: say the Renaissance. I don't think so. A lot of
[4:29] Speaker 2: people say 300 years from now, some people say we're
[4:32] Speaker 2: in it, but I think we're, We're wobbling into it
[4:35] Speaker 2: for sure. We're definitely leaving Pisces and this Aquarius age
[4:40] Speaker 2: is coming into influence.
[4:44] Speaker 1: According to previous research into astrological ages, what is considered
[4:53] Speaker 1: to be driving factors within the age of Pisces, which
[4:58] Speaker 1: we just came in, and Age of Aquarius, which we
[5:02] Speaker 1: are supposed to be heading to, what are the primary
[5:04] Speaker 1: differences in energy between those?
[5:09] Speaker 2: Well, I think what you're going to notice, like for Pisces,
[5:13] Speaker 2: is that it's obviously marked by monotheism. And like Jesus, Pisces,
[5:22] Speaker 2: fish bear, and there's like a hierarchical worship where it's
[5:28] Speaker 2: a one God worship. And you've got a monarchy or
[5:34] Speaker 2: some kind of figures that represent the God and control
[5:37] Speaker 2: the masses. That's what we're in.
[5:38] Speaker 1: Also very patriarchal, right?
[5:43] Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's, I mean, it's an evolution from, you know,
[5:47] Speaker 2: the goddess culture to now it's become patriarchal because of,
[5:51] Speaker 2: I mean, that's a long reason why, but it's, I
[5:54] Speaker 2: don't think any one person is like, I'm going to
[5:57] Speaker 2: be in the patriarchy. It's just, how technology's evolved and
[6:02] Speaker 2: what we've done to deal with it. It's been very,
[6:05] Speaker 2: thanks to creating agriculture, we've just become a very territorial,
[6:10] Speaker 2: war-based society is where we're always trying to harvest more resources.
[6:16] Speaker 2: And we're very focused on this concept of land ownership
[6:20] Speaker 2: by kind of like, almost like a pyramid structure where
[6:24] Speaker 2: you've got these rulers on top. It's not like this,
[6:30] Speaker 2: like originally in the goddess culture, the women were high up.
[6:33] Speaker 2: They were seen as basically the source of life, the
[6:37] Speaker 2: portal into which life came into this planet. And they're
[6:41] Speaker 2: not really, that's not really seen as valuable right now
[6:43] Speaker 2: because of advances in technology. Might makes right is seen
[6:46] Speaker 2: as valuable because resources, resources, and it's more complicated than that.
[6:51] Speaker 2: But yeah, it's very patriarchal in this idea of And
[6:57] Speaker 2: that doesn't mean women aren't participating in it or they're
[7:00] Speaker 2: like all innocent or anything. I'm not trying to like
[7:02] Speaker 2: gang up on men by any means because there's lots of,
[7:05] Speaker 2: you know, I think that's just too black and white.
[7:07] Speaker 1: The balance has been lost, essentially.
[7:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no balance. And it's like we've gone from
[7:14] Speaker 2: this more organic understanding. Like everything is about where life
[7:18] Speaker 2: comes from, in my opinion. It's like the source of life.
[7:22] Speaker 2: And that's men and women together. you know, creating life.
[7:26] Speaker 2: And it comes to the woman, obviously she gives birth
[7:28] Speaker 2: and it's just gone into this crazy religious structure where
[7:32] Speaker 2: we're worshiping some, you know, God in a Bible that
[7:35] Speaker 2: we don't even know exists. Sorry, Christians, but we don't.
[7:39] Speaker 2: And it's, it seems like a fake structure that pulls
[7:42] Speaker 2: away from what the source of God or the creative
[7:45] Speaker 2: source really is. I mean, that's just my opinion. And
[7:48] Speaker 2: so it, call it patriarchal, call it whatever you want.
[7:51] Speaker 2: It's very distorted.
[7:55] Speaker 1: Now, in your talking points, you kind of break down
[7:57] Speaker 1: the goddess era was in Torah. In Aries, we see polytheism,
[8:03] Speaker 1: pagan belief systems, Roman Empire. And then we move to
[8:08] Speaker 1: Age of Pisces, which we were just discussing coming out of.
[8:11] Speaker 1: Before we get into some of the events that could
[8:13] Speaker 1: be unfolding now and what the Age of Aquarius really means,
[8:18] Speaker 1: talk a little bit about fundamental differences between these previous eras.
[8:24] Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about the goddess. What about polytheism?
[8:27] Speaker 1: What was really going on in the age of Aries?
[8:31] Speaker 2: Well, so what you had happen after the goddess era
[8:35] Speaker 2: is agriculture. And so you start to have people become
[8:41] Speaker 2: more tribal defending land. And you have because you had
[8:44] Speaker 2: a lot of there was no real marriage marriage in
[8:47] Speaker 2: that time. A lot of women were trying to produce.
[8:50] Speaker 2: They were trying to produce people to tend the land.
[8:53] Speaker 1: Right.
[8:54] Speaker 2: For agriculture, they needed bodies, they needed resources. So women
[8:57] Speaker 2: were having many partners trying to get the best babies,
[9:02] Speaker 2: basically the best humans they could to man the land.
[9:05] Speaker 2: And it started that you had a lot of excess
[9:07] Speaker 2: of young males. And so what those structures did was
[9:11] Speaker 2: they said, hey, we're having problems with other tribes and
[9:14] Speaker 2: other lands. So if you join our army and fight
[9:17] Speaker 2: to defend our land, young men who are displaced all over,
[9:21] Speaker 2: I believe this is how Rome probably got started. We
[9:25] Speaker 2: will give you some land and an exclusive female that
[9:28] Speaker 2: you may or may not have access to. That's where
[9:30] Speaker 2: it kind of started. And so they start forming militaries.
[9:33] Speaker 2: And what happens is when each little tribe or whatever
[9:37] Speaker 2: goes and wars with each other for land, the victor
[9:42] Speaker 2: goes in and absorbs all the gods from all the
[9:45] Speaker 2: other tribes that they vanquish. And they create a pantheon
[9:49] Speaker 2: of gods.
[9:50] Speaker 1: Do you think there was less expression of war and
[9:55] Speaker 1: conquering during the goddess era?
[9:59] Speaker 2: I'm sure it always existed, but I don't think it
[10:02] Speaker 2: was the prime method of survival because they weren't, they
[10:08] Speaker 2: were more like, I'm sure there was warring between tribes,
[10:11] Speaker 2: but it wasn't the same concept of land ownership. And
[10:15] Speaker 2: you're basically defending your land because that land is tied
[10:18] Speaker 2: to the survival of your tribe. You know, that farm.
[10:23] Speaker 2: I mean, everything. Technology pushes all these ages. Just having
[10:29] Speaker 2: farming is going to change even the physical body of
[10:32] Speaker 2: human beings because it's a different kind of labor. So before,
[10:35] Speaker 2: there were probably more hunter-gatherers. And the goddess era is
[10:40] Speaker 2: denoted by the bulls. and the bird, a bird figure.
[10:44] Speaker 2: Whereas when you start doing massive invasions of land and
[10:48] Speaker 2: defending your land and warring and growing a bigger society,
[10:52] Speaker 2: they started collecting other people's gods. So their god would
[10:55] Speaker 2: be on top, and then they would create a pantheon
[10:57] Speaker 2: of gods. And then you start getting this sort of polytheistic,
[11:01] Speaker 2: where you have all these different gods that they have
[11:04] Speaker 2: responsible for different elements of life, whether it's the underground,
[11:08] Speaker 2: whether it's the moon or the sun or the stars,
[11:12] Speaker 2: whatever it is.
[11:13] Speaker 1: And then, of course, we see the rise of Christianity,
[11:16] Speaker 1: the birth of Christ, monotheistic beliefs start to take over everywhere.
[11:22] Speaker 1: And we are in the age of Pisces, right?
[11:26] Speaker 2: And it just seems to me what's happening, and I
[11:29] Speaker 2: could be wrong, you guys can dispute this, but you've
[11:32] Speaker 2: got centralization of power. What you have is Rome spreading
[11:36] Speaker 2: out really thin. They are collecting so many, you know,
[11:39] Speaker 2: they have so many people who are into Christianity and
[11:43] Speaker 2: they are, this is just ABC's guys, not specific and overall.
[11:47] Speaker 2: And you've got a lot of people that are Christian now.
[11:50] Speaker 2: So what do you do? How do you pull all
[11:52] Speaker 2: that people and unite them under your belt, so to speak,
[11:57] Speaker 2: is you become Christian and you infiltrate the Christian faith
[12:02] Speaker 2: with your kind of, roman pantheon so now you've got
[12:09] Speaker 2: one god you put it all under one god jesus's
[12:12] Speaker 2: son then you create your saints and it's just it's
[12:14] Speaker 2: a slow process happens over hundreds of years and then
[12:18] Speaker 2: really it's just that the roman empire transformed into christianity
[12:22] Speaker 2: i don't know that it collapsed it just transformed and
[12:26] Speaker 2: and that's why i say these errors are about transformation.
[12:31] Speaker 1: And they do do correlate with the procession of stars
[12:35] Speaker 1: in the equinox and what we're seeing with planetary movements.
[12:39] Speaker 1: Definitely seems to be major effects by the cosmos and
[12:44] Speaker 1: what we're seeing here. As we said earlier, we're moving
[12:47] Speaker 1: into the Age of Aquarius. What aspects does the Age
[12:53] Speaker 1: of Aquarius bring?
[12:57] Speaker 2: Well, essentially... I want to remind you that each era,
[13:05] Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people present Age of Aquarius
[13:08] Speaker 2: as really positive. It can have a shadow side. So
[13:10] Speaker 2: it can go either or. We could keep up with
[13:13] Speaker 2: this system of control. Or you can really harness it.
[13:16] Speaker 2: It's like independent thinking, technology.
[13:19] Speaker 1: The Age of Air. Energy from above.
[13:24] Speaker 2: It's an air sign. It's a male figure. or some
[13:28] Speaker 2: people say a female figure. Sorry, I'm just trying to
[13:31] Speaker 2: pop up my screen here so I can give you
[13:33] Speaker 2: a better, more accurate definition. But it's like thinking, individual thinking,
[13:38] Speaker 2: yet you realize community and connection with people at the
[13:42] Speaker 2: same time. But you're not as hierarchical. You're not thinking, oh,
[13:46] Speaker 2: there's a God up there that I have to worship.
[13:50] Speaker 2: You're starting to realize that, you know, the essence of
[13:53] Speaker 2: life is in everybody. And it's supposed to be it's
[14:01] Speaker 2: supposed to be hold on hold on I think I
[14:04] Speaker 2: closed my thing down that I had of the actual
[14:10] Speaker 2: because I pulled it up so I could be very
[14:11] Speaker 2: accurate with you guys but yeah it's supposed to be
[14:15] Speaker 2: independent thinking some people think it's technology but I don't
[14:19] Speaker 2: think look it depends what you do with the technology
[14:22] Speaker 2: and who's in charge if you have people who want
[14:25] Speaker 2: to hold a control system like Like you did from
[14:28] Speaker 2: Aries to Pisces, you're going to have people who use
[14:32] Speaker 2: the technology to survey and control. The technology is supposed
[14:37] Speaker 2: to be about freer thinking, about setting us free from
[14:40] Speaker 2: these sort of religious structures and controlling and more independent
[14:46] Speaker 2: thought so that you're not as dogmatic. Like think quantum.
[14:52] Speaker 2: A lot of people say like the rebellious nature of
[14:57] Speaker 2: you know, a rebellious nature pushing back against the system
[15:02] Speaker 2: as it were. But like I said, Young always said
[15:06] Speaker 2: there's a shadow to each side. He was really concerned,
[15:10] Speaker 2: I think, because he understood what this, the age of Aquarius,
[15:17] Speaker 2: he's like a, he's the water bearer, but he's an
[15:19] Speaker 2: air sign. And he's, it's like, he's pouring this, the, the,
[15:23] Speaker 2: the liquid from the water in the form of the jug.
[15:27] Speaker 2: He's pouring it out free for free thinking, right? But
[15:30] Speaker 2: he was nervous because he's seeing the rise, like he's
[15:33] Speaker 2: looking at all these wars, World War I, World War II,
[15:36] Speaker 2: and he's seen this transition. And he was actually a
[15:38] Speaker 2: little worried about what this would mean because he understood
[15:41] Speaker 2: there was a shadow.
[15:42] Speaker 1: Now, speaking of the shadow, unfortunately, throughout every era, there
[15:48] Speaker 1: is a ruling class that tries to manipulate the energy
[15:52] Speaker 1: from these eras to control the masses. We are in
[15:57] Speaker 1: a very powerful shadow era right now. We're at a
[16:01] Speaker 1: crossroads between what could be beneficial for humanity and where
[16:06] Speaker 1: the ruling class wants to lead us, which is bringing
[16:10] Speaker 1: out a bit of chaos.
[16:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. We're right now. Some people have said,
[16:18] Speaker 2: just assume everything is a psyop.
[16:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, we're causing nihilism, mass nihilism.
[16:24] Speaker 2: I know. I know. We're seeing crazy stuff with, like,
[16:30] Speaker 2: why is the vice president talking about the Antichrist and
[16:33] Speaker 2: the end of days? Right.
[16:35] Speaker 1: I just heard that.
[16:35] Speaker 2: Like, that's quite bizarre. I don't know how you feel
[16:38] Speaker 2: about it. But we're having tech bros talk about this.
[16:43] Speaker 2: I'm like, look, there's no logical reason why they're talking
[16:46] Speaker 2: about this unless they intend to use this as a
[16:48] Speaker 2: fear-based tactic to pull people back into the spectacle of
[16:52] Speaker 2: the world. And that's the thing. I mean, I'm not
[16:55] Speaker 2: trying to say this world is fake or it's an illusion,
[16:58] Speaker 2: but they create spectacles that aren't real. A lot of drama.
[17:01] Speaker 2: And they want to pull you into it to keep
[17:04] Speaker 2: you there so you're not pulling away and independently thinking.
[17:09] Speaker 2: And most people don't even have the ability to independently
[17:12] Speaker 2: think because they're so used to the spectacle. I mean,
[17:15] Speaker 2: Rome did it. That's what Breads and Circuses is about.
[17:18] Speaker 2: But I think this is beyond Breads and Circuses. This
[17:20] Speaker 2: is very refined... psyops where it reaches you everywhere you
[17:25] Speaker 2: go um i just heard that in was it dallas
[17:29] Speaker 2: it's one of the cities in texas they're putting flock
[17:31] Speaker 2: cameras on garbage trucks so they can now spy on
[17:35] Speaker 2: houses so they can see if they're breaking code violations
[17:37] Speaker 2: for the city what yes yeah yeah i mean it's
[17:42] Speaker 2: it's that level of control and you know it's i
[17:49] Speaker 2: i think young foresaw this kind of thing i think
[17:52] Speaker 2: he he was really nervous about this transition that it
[17:54] Speaker 2: would be particularly violent possibly that the system would stop
[18:02] Speaker 2: at nothing elite people would stop at nothing to keep
[18:05] Speaker 2: this hierarchical control and keep people under their spell that's
[18:10] Speaker 2: what the whole spectacle and illusion and You know, that's
[18:15] Speaker 2: why everything feels like we're at a Super Bowl nonstop.
[18:17] Speaker 2: That's why there's nonstop crazy stories about, you know, in
[18:23] Speaker 2: the media. It doesn't matter what administration. They're just popping
[18:27] Speaker 2: out drama after drama after drama. It's to keep you
[18:30] Speaker 2: held in this almost it's it's almost too much. So
[18:35] Speaker 2: you don't do anything at all.
[18:37] Speaker 1: What seems very different about this era and particularly dangerous
[18:42] Speaker 1: is is what was once known as sorcery or magic
[18:47] Speaker 1: has become technology. Technology alone is just a tool. It
[18:52] Speaker 1: depends on how it's used. But in the 50s, 60s,
[18:56] Speaker 1: and 70s, we started the MKUltra experiments. And this was
[19:00] Speaker 1: to learn everything they could about the mind and human
[19:03] Speaker 1: consciousness and how to manipulate it. You move forward a
[19:06] Speaker 1: couple of decades as technology develops, as the internet and
[19:10] Speaker 1: social media develop, This has become integrated with the techniques
[19:15] Speaker 1: from MKUltra, along with pharmaceuticals. The experiments have been implemented now,
[19:22] Speaker 1: and that's what makes this era extremely dangerous. They have
[19:26] Speaker 1: extreme knowledge of consciousness and how to manipulate the mind,
[19:30] Speaker 1: and they're utilizing it through technology that we all have
[19:34] Speaker 1: in our pockets that is monitoring everything we do.
[19:38] Speaker 2: That's right. Um, it is. I mean, we've got it here.
[19:41] Speaker 2: We're using it here. Who knows? They could be taking
[19:44] Speaker 2: our information we talk about and being like, Oh, this
[19:47] Speaker 2: is what the people are thinking. Um, They're also look,
[19:51] Speaker 2: religion isn't going anywhere. They're, you know, most of the
[19:56] Speaker 2: evangelical churches, most of the religion is co-opted and psy-opt
[20:00] Speaker 2: and they're brainwashing people in religions, almost like a Mooney cult.
[20:06] Speaker 2: Like they're brainwashing people into the most crazy, absurd thinking
[20:10] Speaker 2: in religions where anything you see these people calling everything
[20:16] Speaker 2: demonic that they don't like and they're the ones behaving
[20:18] Speaker 2: like a demon no offense and they don't even understand
[20:21] Speaker 2: that you know most of this stuff is like just
[20:25] Speaker 2: their repressed shadow self you know they have a shadow
[20:28] Speaker 2: they don't even realize they have a shadow they're constantly
[20:31] Speaker 2: projecting um they're all you see them in high state
[20:34] Speaker 2: like they're in hysteria raising their hand and the pastor's
[20:38] Speaker 2: There's nothing pious about them. I actually think I'm going
[20:41] Speaker 2: to do a show just watching clips of crazy pastors
[20:44] Speaker 2: one day. We had one pastor I just watched. What
[20:48] Speaker 2: was he going on about? He was trying to compare
[20:51] Speaker 2: our sin to a dirty tampon, and he's preaching this
[20:55] Speaker 2: in front of the people. And I'm like, now I
[20:59] Speaker 2: see why people are starting to join the Catholic Church,
[21:01] Speaker 2: although I don't I don't necessarily recommend that either, but
[21:04] Speaker 2: I'm listening to their preaching, and they're trying to dress
[21:07] Speaker 2: up like rap stars or something, and they're preaching to
[21:10] Speaker 2: people the most absurd garbage.
[21:16] Speaker 1: Well, spirituality has become a parody of itself across all
[21:20] Speaker 1: theological beliefs, and that's by design. They want people as
[21:24] Speaker 1: disconnected from true spirituality as possible. They muddy all of
[21:29] Speaker 1: their religions. integrate nonsense and these blasphemous beliefs they have
[21:36] Speaker 1: already infiltrated and manipulated and turned into something that it
[21:40] Speaker 1: was never meant to be yeah.
[21:44] Speaker 2: And that's that's the whole point why i find it
[21:47] Speaker 2: interesting like that the gnostics writing showed up in 1947
[21:52] Speaker 2: a lot of strange things happened after world war ii
[21:55] Speaker 2: yeah and i'm thinking you know because i know when
[21:58] Speaker 2: the gnostics were writing i mean they extinguished them And
[22:02] Speaker 2: they made sure, you know, the Catholic Church or what,
[22:05] Speaker 2: you know, the predominant religious structure that took over Christianity
[22:11] Speaker 2: from the Roman Empire made sure that these guys didn't
[22:14] Speaker 2: get their message out. I don't entirely agree with everything
[22:17] Speaker 2: the Gnostic says, but it's starting to come out. People
[22:19] Speaker 2: are starting to talk about Gnosticism lately. And I find
[22:22] Speaker 2: it really interesting because they refute this system that we
[22:26] Speaker 2: have right now. They really say, hey... This is a joke.
[22:29] Speaker 2: This is not what Jesus, if you believe that there
[22:32] Speaker 2: was a person named Jesus, it could be debatable, but
[22:35] Speaker 2: they don't like, that's not what Jesus was telling you.
[22:37] Speaker 2: He's actually telling you the source of God is in
[22:39] Speaker 2: every person. Like he's telling you the truth. And these
[22:42] Speaker 2: guys have, even though you can see hints of it
[22:45] Speaker 2: in the Bible, they haven't edited out fully. These guys
[22:47] Speaker 2: have totally taken what he was talking about and switched
[22:51] Speaker 2: it around and turned it back into their little hierarchical
[22:56] Speaker 2: worship system. And so I always wonder, like, is Gnosticism or,
[23:01] Speaker 2: you know, what are they going to do with that?
[23:04] Speaker 1: I think they're morphing it into certain New Age belief systems.
[23:09] Speaker 1: There seems to be a lot of truth within ancient
[23:12] Speaker 1: Gnostic beliefs, but that too is slowly being infiltrated and
[23:17] Speaker 1: morphed into these New Age beliefs combined with Satanism and
[23:22] Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy stuff. They're muddying all of the
[23:26] Speaker 1: religions up, so that real connection is essentially not available.
[23:31] Speaker 1: But I want to go back to something you mentioned earlier,
[23:33] Speaker 1: the manufacturing of end times. This has become such a
[23:38] Speaker 1: ridiculously obvious agenda being portrayed in the media in many
[23:43] Speaker 1: different ways. We can look at the Iran war as
[23:47] Speaker 1: one of the major catalysts towards this, everything that we're
[23:50] Speaker 1: seeing with Israel. on top of everything else, there is
[23:53] Speaker 1: a psychological operation. On top of a psychological operation, it
[23:57] Speaker 1: seems that they're trying to manufacture the hatred and animosity
[24:04] Speaker 1: towards Israel so that they can bring about this prophesied
[24:10] Speaker 1: end times.
[24:11] Speaker 2: Right. And we have to remember that all that, I mean,
[24:15] Speaker 2: all this dispute is ridiculous. I find the whole religious
[24:19] Speaker 2: dispute just ridiculous in the first place. But everybody's brainwashed
[24:22] Speaker 2: to believe their religion's the right way. And I mean,
[24:25] Speaker 2: we all come from the same source. Everybody's brainwashed to believe.
[24:28] Speaker 2: And there's like really extremists everywhere. In Israel, in America,
[24:34] Speaker 2: what do they call them? Dispensationalists that believe that they
[24:37] Speaker 2: are to bring about either their Messiah or the second
[24:41] Speaker 2: coming of Jesus Christ. And I don't even think they
[24:44] Speaker 2: actually know what Jesus was even really preaching or talking
[24:48] Speaker 2: about in the first way. But they seem very bent
[24:51] Speaker 2: on bringing this stuff about and starting these wars and
[24:55] Speaker 2: creating these you know, these divisions in everybody's minds and,
[25:00] Speaker 2: you know, not, I mean, Israel is a very strategic
[25:02] Speaker 2: area to operate from. I mean, it was bought by
[25:06] Speaker 2: the Rothschilds long before it became a country. So there's
[25:11] Speaker 2: obviously been a long standing plan and, you know, to
[25:15] Speaker 2: do this, but when they put it in context of
[25:19] Speaker 2: these religious dynamics in the Bible, it's like, okay, My
[25:24] Speaker 2: guess is, is because they know so many people believe
[25:27] Speaker 2: this kind of thoughts and ideas of this holy war
[25:33] Speaker 2: in the Bible, that this is a really good sign
[25:36] Speaker 2: up to get their way, to get moving in and
[25:38] Speaker 2: to create like a globalistic world. I think they wouldn't
[25:43] Speaker 2: mind destroying all religions and having like a one world religion,
[25:47] Speaker 2: to be honest. I think that's their move. That's not
[25:50] Speaker 2: necessarily the energy of the age Aquarius. That would be
[25:54] Speaker 2: the shadow, really. That would be more centralized control. And
[25:59] Speaker 2: there's no Jesus at the top of it. There's bankers
[26:02] Speaker 2: and there's corporations. And they know so many people already
[26:10] Speaker 2: believe this. They have so many thoughts and minds and
[26:13] Speaker 2: hearts attached to it that it's an easy psyop to
[26:17] Speaker 2: get people, at least they think it is. There's a
[26:19] Speaker 2: lot of people who aren't happy about this. To them,
[26:22] Speaker 2: it was an easy psyop to get people because they
[26:25] Speaker 2: need everybody's energy to push this through. They need it.
[26:28] Speaker 2: They can't just do it on their own. They need us.
[26:31] Speaker 2: So this is an obvious one, is to push this
[26:34] Speaker 2: end of day stuff. And I personally believe it's insane.
[26:39] Speaker 1: They also need our approval. I don't believe in it.
[26:41] Speaker 1: Along with the energy that they need behind this, they
[26:44] Speaker 1: also need us to approve in some way, which in
[26:48] Speaker 1: recent events, it seems like they've been going ahead and
[26:53] Speaker 1: pulling off some of these operations without our approval, going
[26:57] Speaker 1: completely against humanity's free will. But that's a different story.
[27:01] Speaker 1: But coinciding with the end times narratives is the UFO disclosure.
[27:07] Speaker 1: Which I believe it's all connected to one of the
[27:11] Speaker 1: long-term goals of these operations, transhumanism and global surveillance on
[27:18] Speaker 1: a mass scale. I believe that AI, reversed engineered technology
[27:24] Speaker 1: like UFOs that we probably have in our possession, that
[27:28] Speaker 1: we probably manufactured, along with what they're coming out with
[27:33] Speaker 1: as quote-unquote disclosure, is going to work together. as a
[27:37] Speaker 1: new fear factor operation to establish either the new unseen
[27:43] Speaker 1: enemy or the new saviors of humanity. It could go
[27:48] Speaker 1: either way with that one, but I think it's all
[27:50] Speaker 1: part of the upcoming end times narrative.
[27:55] Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it could be part of ushering in the
[27:59] Speaker 2: control of this new era, this new aeon, where you say, okay,
[28:05] Speaker 2: we all have to unite together as one under these
[28:09] Speaker 2: banks and corporations, because we got to defeat the aliens or,
[28:13] Speaker 2: you know, who knows how they're going to play it out,
[28:15] Speaker 2: but it's certainly meant to, I don't know how well
[28:19] Speaker 2: it's going to work. I mean, I just don't know
[28:21] Speaker 2: how they can control that many people.
[28:24] Speaker 1: There seems to be different narratives within even our own
[28:28] Speaker 1: government coming out about UFOs. You mentioned JD Vance. He's
[28:32] Speaker 1: talking about how he believes they're demons and, And some
[28:36] Speaker 1: factions within our own government are claiming that they are
[28:41] Speaker 1: our creators and they may be here to save us
[28:44] Speaker 1: in some way. So there's a lot of contradictions going on,
[28:46] Speaker 1: which I think is part of the psychological operation so
[28:50] Speaker 1: that we have no idea what the truth really is.
[28:53] Speaker 2: Well, and J.D. Vance knows who he's talking to. He's
[28:56] Speaker 2: talking to evangelicals who think that anything... that they don't
[29:02] Speaker 2: know that their pastor hasn't told them, you know, is
[29:06] Speaker 2: good is a demon. And I've watched them say they
[29:10] Speaker 2: played with a Ouija board and it's a demon. I'm like,
[29:12] Speaker 2: do you think it could be you? Do you think
[29:15] Speaker 2: you could, do you think it could be you? Cause
[29:17] Speaker 2: I've seen, I've tried a Ouija board and nothing happened.
[29:20] Speaker 2: Everything was fine. And I'm like, you try one and
[29:22] Speaker 2: you say a demon basically was in the room. So
[29:25] Speaker 2: maybe it's you. But I think he understands very well
[29:29] Speaker 2: who he's talking to. And so he's using their language
[29:32] Speaker 2: to manipulate them. And then so if you're using UFOs
[29:38] Speaker 2: as something else, you're using... you understand your audience and
[29:42] Speaker 2: you're using the language that you know they'll respond to.
[29:45] Speaker 1: And as we mentioned earlier, the emergence of technology, the
[29:49] Speaker 1: reliance of AI that they're trying to establish on a
[29:53] Speaker 1: mass scale, data centers. I was speaking with a few
[29:57] Speaker 1: guests recently speculating on what's really going on with data centers.
[30:02] Speaker 1: And there's an emerging consensus that they're not only harvesting
[30:07] Speaker 1: all our data and everything we've done since we originally
[30:11] Speaker 1: had a digital fingerprint online, but the capabilities that our
[30:14] Speaker 1: devices have, they can listen. Some believe it can even
[30:18] Speaker 1: read our mind, our frequencies and predict our behaviors. My
[30:23] Speaker 1: guest the other day, Wayne Steiger, speculated that they have
[30:26] Speaker 1: real-time avatars that are experiencing the same thing we're experiencing
[30:32] Speaker 1: right now, but in a digital realm. So a digital
[30:36] Speaker 1: version of you and a digital version of me are
[30:38] Speaker 1: having this conversation in this digital reality that's been established
[30:45] Speaker 1: and created.
[30:47] Speaker 2: So they created an alternate universe, digital universe.
[30:50] Speaker 1: That's what he believes. for modeling our behavior, predicting our behavior,
[30:55] Speaker 1: and eventually they may want to merge these two realities
[30:59] Speaker 1: in some way.
[31:02] Speaker 2: That's really fascinating. I don't know what to say about that.
[31:08] Speaker 2: That sounds kind of like it's flowing with some kind
[31:11] Speaker 2: of transhumanistic thing.
[31:14] Speaker 1: Well, that's another aspect that makes this era so dangerous
[31:17] Speaker 1: is the level of technology that we're dealing with.
[31:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, and... some people might say this is the criteria
[31:25] Speaker 2: of age of Aquarius because it's technology, but you would
[31:29] Speaker 2: have to be able to have a choice. Like, I
[31:33] Speaker 2: think that's the shot. Like I said, I think we're
[31:35] Speaker 2: in the shadow side of the age of Aquarius. If
[31:38] Speaker 2: we go this route and it seems like people are
[31:41] Speaker 2: going this route. Um, I, I, The data center thing
[31:47] Speaker 2: is overwhelming because it's obviously a super control system. I
[31:51] Speaker 2: don't know where it ends because it relies on living
[31:54] Speaker 2: off of the actual organic structure. It can't survive. All
[31:59] Speaker 2: this stuff they create, they're gods. But it feeds off
[32:02] Speaker 2: of the organic system made by God and in Creative Source.
[32:05] Speaker 2: So if they destroy that, it's game over. I don't
[32:08] Speaker 2: know where their end goal is. It seems to be insane.
[32:13] Speaker 1: Do you think we should be concerned about AI to
[32:16] Speaker 1: the degree of it becoming sentient and wanting to eliminate
[32:22] Speaker 1: humanity because they find us useless?
[32:25] Speaker 2: I don't know if it will become sentient unless it
[32:28] Speaker 2: kind of... I think the idea of merging with us,
[32:31] Speaker 2: it's more like than it might be able to, but
[32:34] Speaker 2: on its own, I'm not sure how it would. I'd
[32:38] Speaker 2: have to look into that more because the source... I
[32:42] Speaker 2: don't know. I just think these tech bros are like psychopaths.
[32:45] Speaker 2: I don't think they like women. Honestly, I don't think
[32:48] Speaker 2: they do. No. Because they have, it's a huge attack
[32:53] Speaker 2: on where life comes from organically, in my opinion. Because no,
[32:59] Speaker 2: they don't only want to just create a digital world.
[33:03] Speaker 2: They want to control how babies are born in pods.
[33:07] Speaker 2: They want to control it all and be that God center.
[33:09] Speaker 2: And they're like, so we don't need you. We can
[33:12] Speaker 2: decide exactly in our perfect utopia how this all lays out,
[33:15] Speaker 2: who gets born, how many people we need, what kind
[33:19] Speaker 2: of structure. Very rigid. And it seems like a crazy,
[33:27] Speaker 2: like a madman came up with it, to be honest.
[33:30] Speaker 2: I'm like at the core of it. And I'm not
[33:33] Speaker 2: suggesting that all of them even realize this. It seems
[33:36] Speaker 2: to be a tact. on the actual real sacred portal,
[33:40] Speaker 2: which is the womb in which life comes through. And
[33:43] Speaker 2: it's also an attack on the balance between men and
[33:46] Speaker 2: women's relationship.
[33:48] Speaker 1: You're right.
[33:49] Speaker 2: And family and everything.
[33:51] Speaker 1: All these guys seem to hate women. A lot of
[33:54] Speaker 1: the tech guys are gay, not that there's anything wrong
[33:56] Speaker 1: with that. And the rest of them seem like they
[33:59] Speaker 1: were teased in kindergarten by a pretty girl. They got
[34:03] Speaker 1: their ego and Testicles crushed from a young age so
[34:07] Speaker 1: they don't know how to interact with women anymore. That's
[34:10] Speaker 1: what we're dealing with for our ruling class.
[34:13] Speaker 2: Look at Elon Musk and he's trying to encourage people
[34:16] Speaker 2: to have families, which I think is not a bad thing.
[34:18] Speaker 2: But look at how he has a family. He just
[34:21] Speaker 2: goes from woman to woman and wants to impregnate everybody
[34:24] Speaker 2: and just, like, walk. He's got his favorite golden child.
[34:27] Speaker 2: And then he's just kind of there. And, like, that's
[34:29] Speaker 2: not really the family that you're supposed to be doing, Elon.
[34:32] Speaker 2: Is there something missing upstairs? I think so.
[34:36] Speaker 1: There's many that believe that there is a reemergence of
[34:41] Speaker 1: goddess energy. And this is based on people's extraterrestrial encounters,
[34:47] Speaker 1: paranormal experiences, channelings. and different literature that we've had throughout
[34:53] Speaker 1: the decades that expresses that during this period, there may
[34:58] Speaker 1: be a reemergence of this feminine energy. What are your
[35:02] Speaker 1: thoughts about that?
[35:04] Speaker 2: Well, I think we have to be careful. I think
[35:06] Speaker 2: it has to be in balance. I don't think it
[35:08] Speaker 2: can just be all female energy or all male energy.
[35:11] Speaker 2: I think we have to get back to the bull
[35:15] Speaker 2: and the bird because the goddess culture, I mean, I'm
[35:18] Speaker 2: not suggesting that we go back to the goddess culture
[35:21] Speaker 2: where women were having multiple partners to produce mass people.
[35:25] Speaker 2: Not suggesting, but I think it has to transition to
[35:28] Speaker 2: something different where there's a balance between the two. Because
[35:33] Speaker 2: that's what we need in order to stand up to
[35:35] Speaker 2: these elite systems as men and women and families, you know.
[35:40] Speaker 2: untraumatized which i think a lot of this is propelled
[35:43] Speaker 2: by trauma too that's a different story but i think
[35:45] Speaker 2: it needs to be a balance where we realize we're
[35:48] Speaker 2: here to support each other it's and everywhere you go
[35:52] Speaker 2: there's division division between men and women division between boomers
[35:56] Speaker 2: gen x and gen z and millennials like everywhere online
[36:00] Speaker 2: that's all i see is people trying to get each
[36:02] Speaker 2: other to fight about stupid trivial stuff and i've even
[36:05] Speaker 2: partaken in it but i'm guilty sometimes but it's like,
[36:12] Speaker 2: it's all a spectacle. You got to step out of it.
[36:14] Speaker 2: I can't tell anyone else how to engage with their
[36:16] Speaker 2: higher essence of who they really are. That's for them
[36:19] Speaker 2: to do it. Like, and every, every pastor, everybody wants
[36:22] Speaker 2: to tell you how to do that because people are
[36:24] Speaker 2: so lost, but I can't tell you how to connect
[36:27] Speaker 2: with that or what it's going to say or what
[36:28] Speaker 2: it's going to tell you, but you really have to
[36:30] Speaker 2: pull away from all the crazy and just get quiet
[36:33] Speaker 2: and put the technology down at some point because it's
[36:39] Speaker 2: meant to keep you tracked and it's clearly they need
[36:43] Speaker 2: the organic source to create the digital source like they
[36:48] Speaker 2: need it's like a layer so they can't create it
[36:51] Speaker 2: without the organic soul whatever you want to call it
[36:54] Speaker 2: spark of life organic planet, they rely on it. I mean,
[36:59] Speaker 2: they have to dig up the planet to get these materials,
[37:03] Speaker 2: to make all these batteries, to make all this stuff.
[37:05] Speaker 2: They need the water to run the data centers. It's
[37:09] Speaker 2: actually quite a weak structure because the organic structure that
[37:14] Speaker 2: they seem to be at war with is also what
[37:16] Speaker 2: they're parasiting off of. And that includes human beings as well.
[37:20] Speaker 2: We're a part of the organic structure.
[37:23] Speaker 1: Parasite is the exact right word being used. I would
[37:28] Speaker 1: even go as far as to say that they need
[37:31] Speaker 1: our creativity as well, that at certain psychotic levels that
[37:36] Speaker 1: these ruling class people reach, they don't have that. They
[37:41] Speaker 1: don't have that divine spark and ability to create like
[37:44] Speaker 1: the rest of us do. So they use us for that.
[37:47] Speaker 1: I know AI, even though it can do some very
[37:51] Speaker 1: interesting artwork and some amazing things, it doesn't have that
[37:56] Speaker 1: spark that I immediately recognize when I see artwork or
[38:01] Speaker 1: songs from real people. I think they need us in
[38:04] Speaker 1: many different ways.
[38:06] Speaker 2: We were just at a fine art gallery, me and
[38:09] Speaker 2: my husband at the University of Utah, and they had
[38:12] Speaker 2: all these paintings from Renaissance and medieval paintings. They're like original,
[38:18] Speaker 2: like famous, like Bruegel and stuff. And you just there's
[38:22] Speaker 2: nothing you can do to compare to that. Yeah. It's
[38:25] Speaker 2: just phenomenal work. I don't even know that people even
[38:28] Speaker 2: know how to do those painting techniques anymore, to be
[38:32] Speaker 2: honest with you. But yeah, you can't compare to that
[38:35] Speaker 2: kind of devotion. And they were probably Christian, but it
[38:40] Speaker 2: was a devotion. They were explaining an archetype and they're
[38:45] Speaker 2: painting the story or whatever it was in that painting.
[38:49] Speaker 2: And that's another thing that a lot of people in
[38:53] Speaker 2: our culture today forget is The ancients and people, maybe
[38:57] Speaker 2: even 400 years ago, spoke in symbolism a lot. And
[39:00] Speaker 2: we take things very literally. So this system is very literal.
[39:07] Speaker 2: It doesn't speak in archetype and symbolism. It doesn't care
[39:10] Speaker 2: about dreams. It doesn't care about inspiration.
[39:13] Speaker 1: I think we've lost a lot of our true divine
[39:18] Speaker 1: intelligence and connection through this parasitic infiltration that is slowly
[39:24] Speaker 1: dumbing everybody down, we've lost a bit of that creative
[39:28] Speaker 1: spark that I believe our ancient ancestors had. And you
[39:33] Speaker 1: mentioned that they may have been Christians, and I'm sure
[39:35] Speaker 1: that Christianity during that time is much different than what
[39:40] Speaker 1: we know as Christianity now. They most likely had a
[39:44] Speaker 1: much deeper understanding of many spiritual concepts. And earlier you
[39:50] Speaker 1: mentioned the Gnostic revival. That is another indicator to me
[39:56] Speaker 1: of people questioning reality. For me, it started in 2012
[40:01] Speaker 1: when I started to become curious and aware again, and
[40:04] Speaker 1: it was a snowball effect from there. But 2020 was
[40:08] Speaker 1: a huge year for people, and that was most likely
[40:14] Speaker 1: unstoppable because of the events that occurred with COVID and
[40:18] Speaker 1: the jabby jabs and everything else that was bringing awareness
[40:22] Speaker 1: to the corruption of our reality. But that caused another
[40:25] Speaker 1: snowball effect of people becoming curious about spirituality, the nature
[40:31] Speaker 1: of reality, basically everything. There's a lot of countering to
[40:35] Speaker 1: that now, a lot of misinformation, a lot of flooding
[40:39] Speaker 1: online with nonsense so that it's difficult for us to
[40:43] Speaker 1: navigate the reemergence of curiosity that we're seeing right now.
[40:48] Speaker 1: But this is another indicator that we are entering into
[40:52] Speaker 1: this new era. We're seeing major changes in people's consciousness.
[40:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, we are.
[41:00] Speaker 1: And.
[41:01] Speaker 2: And I'm sure this is what it was. This is
[41:04] Speaker 2: like what it was like when Jesus was preaching. There
[41:07] Speaker 2: was probably a lot of people preaching stuff and it's like,
[41:10] Speaker 2: what message do they take and harness it? So that's
[41:12] Speaker 2: why we have to be really aware and you have
[41:16] Speaker 2: to be really self-aware, aware of the shadow of our
[41:19] Speaker 2: own society, aware of the shadow within yourself. And just,
[41:25] Speaker 2: you know, you really have to understand that, um, there
[41:31] Speaker 2: isn't somebody who can give you the spark of life
[41:35] Speaker 2: that you create that it comes from you. And I
[41:39] Speaker 2: think it's interesting to explore it. Like I watch different
[41:43] Speaker 2: channels and I watch a podcast. Sometimes it's called acid
[41:46] Speaker 2: for squares, but then they recently had a guest on
[41:48] Speaker 2: who was channeling G Jesus. And I was like, okay, no, no, no.
[41:52] Speaker 2: Like you've got to have that discernment in yourself. I
[41:56] Speaker 2: think to be like, okay, what are they saying? And
[42:00] Speaker 2: why are they saying it? And what do they want
[42:02] Speaker 2: me to believe? And is it legit? Like, and who
[42:04] Speaker 2: is it coming from? Who's the source? Who they're sponsored by?
[42:06] Speaker 2: I think you just have to understand and be very
[42:09] Speaker 2: aware of the message that's being put out there. Who's
[42:12] Speaker 2: putting it out and why? Like, for me, the J.D.
[42:15] Speaker 2: Vance stuff and everybody talking about the Antichrist was too obvious.
[42:18] Speaker 2: But for a lot of people, it's not. They're like, oh,
[42:21] Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this. Now here's the sign to them.
[42:24] Speaker 2: That's a sign that's going to happen.
[42:26] Speaker 1: Yes.
[42:26] Speaker 2: Right. For me, I'm like, OK, this is way too
[42:29] Speaker 2: obvious that they're they're trying to pull these people in. So, yeah,
[42:35] Speaker 2: and we're all connected. That's the whole thing. That's what
[42:37] Speaker 2: makes this complicated is we're all connected. And this is
[42:41] Speaker 2: kind of the illusionary era place, I guess you could
[42:45] Speaker 2: dimension where we have this idea of that we're separate
[42:49] Speaker 2: from each other. But I think the more we're We
[42:55] Speaker 2: were talking about those Christians and how they saw life.
[42:58] Speaker 2: And we have to remember the Christians, the goddess cultures, whatever.
[43:01] Speaker 2: They were so profoundly affected by nature and they were
[43:05] Speaker 2: so part of it. And we're so removed from it now.
[43:08] Speaker 1: Yes.
[43:09] Speaker 2: And so we forget that we're connected to it all
[43:12] Speaker 2: and we think we're above it. And that's why we
[43:15] Speaker 2: have this hierarchy that we keep worshiping.
[43:19] Speaker 1: Speaking of a connection to something greater, in your talking points,
[43:23] Speaker 1: you mentioned psychedelics. Psychedelics were a huge part of my
[43:28] Speaker 1: spiritual journey, my healing process, my awareness, where I brought
[43:34] Speaker 1: myself with my career, a very important aspect of my journey.
[43:41] Speaker 1: Many other people have had very profound results and they're
[43:46] Speaker 1: not for everyone. There are some people that should not
[43:49] Speaker 1: do psychedelics, but some of the studies and research and
[43:53] Speaker 1: trials that are going on right now are pretty incredible,
[43:56] Speaker 1: especially for people with Alzheimer's. They are having temporary reversals
[44:02] Speaker 1: of some of the Alzheimer's symptoms. It's not permanent, but
[44:06] Speaker 1: very promising to see that that could even occur with psychedelics.
[44:11] Speaker 1: And of course, trauma, PTSD, depression is, Some extremely promising
[44:18] Speaker 1: results from research and trials with that. Thoughts on what's
[44:22] Speaker 1: going on with psychedelics?
[44:25] Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that information's out there. Obviously, we have
[44:28] Speaker 2: to treat it with respect. And that's my worry with
[44:31] Speaker 2: this culture is because we have such addictive patterns that
[44:34] Speaker 2: there'll be people who will use it just for escape.
[44:37] Speaker 2: And you kind of got to look at how the
[44:39] Speaker 2: ancient shamans would use it. It was done with respect.
[44:44] Speaker 2: In a very serious ritual. And I think rather than
[44:47] Speaker 2: just being on a prescription and pill popping it, I
[44:50] Speaker 2: think you would have to approach it very seriously and
[44:53] Speaker 2: very humble like that. I think there is a lot
[44:56] Speaker 2: of research where it is outstanding and has great effects
[45:02] Speaker 2: for people and helps them improve. and is much better than, uh,
[45:06] Speaker 2: like for instance, Cody blue on that acid for squares podcast,
[45:10] Speaker 2: you know, their generation, they grew up where they were
[45:13] Speaker 2: trying to get them on Ritalin and they were met
[45:15] Speaker 2: it up and it made their life worse and worse
[45:18] Speaker 2: and psychedelics helped him, you know? And I think that's
[45:21] Speaker 2: a good thing. I think people talking about it is good,
[45:25] Speaker 2: but like I said, in our culture and the way
[45:28] Speaker 2: we look at things so commercially, uh, like as an
[45:31] Speaker 2: end for like a dollar value and not a spiritual value.
[45:35] Speaker 2: I think we just have to keep that in mind.
[45:37] Speaker 2: I also think, I don't think everybody in the system
[45:39] Speaker 2: is evil and bad and wants bad thing for everybody.
[45:41] Speaker 2: I think there's people who genuinely, even wealthier people who genuinely,
[45:45] Speaker 2: you know, want to do good things. It's just that
[45:48] Speaker 2: we have to keep in mind that the bank, the
[45:50] Speaker 2: real banking systems and the massive corporations, the way that
[45:55] Speaker 2: they think is like a bottom dollar and a regiment
[45:58] Speaker 2: where it's mechanical and, And I don't know if that
[46:02] Speaker 2: works when it comes to psychedelics. I would rather someone
[46:06] Speaker 2: go through a spiritual, very humble process where they're approaching
[46:12] Speaker 2: this not as just an escape.
[46:18] Speaker 1: Yeah. The pharmaceutical aspect is extremely concerning. I don't think
[46:22] Speaker 1: these compounds, these substances should be altered, especially the natural
[46:27] Speaker 1: ones like psilocybin, ayahuasca. I think the purity and natural
[46:33] Speaker 1: state of these substances is why they are so beneficial.
[46:38] Speaker 1: What pharmaceutical companies want to do is synthesize it, make
[46:43] Speaker 1: synthetic psychedelics, which I have tried before and I will
[46:46] Speaker 1: never do it again. There's no spiritual connection with it.
[46:50] Speaker 1: You'll feel some of the weird effects. You'll see some visuals,
[46:54] Speaker 1: but there is nothing spiritual about the experience. And I'm
[46:58] Speaker 1: concerned that that's what they're trying to make it. And
[47:01] Speaker 1: I couldn't see how that could be beneficial at all
[47:03] Speaker 1: to anyone.
[47:05] Speaker 2: There's one, I think it's called Ibogaine. Ibogaine, yes. It's
[47:08] Speaker 2: originally from Ibogaine. It's originally, I think it's from a plant,
[47:11] Speaker 2: but I think they're trying to synthesize it. I think
[47:13] Speaker 2: that's what their plan is. And Joe Rogan's been pushing
[47:16] Speaker 2: that one, and I've heard some issues with that. I'd
[47:19] Speaker 2: have to look into that more.
[47:20] Speaker 1: People have died from Ibogaine, even the natural one. They've
[47:22] Speaker 1: had heart attacks.
[47:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're going to have to be careful
[47:26] Speaker 2: with that. And that's why when people do ayahuasca or
[47:31] Speaker 2: any of these journeys, they go to a shaman and
[47:33] Speaker 2: because there's a process and the shaman understands, look, you
[47:36] Speaker 2: have to have a certain diet. You have to have
[47:38] Speaker 2: a certain way of eating because there's a pH balance
[47:42] Speaker 2: in your body that you have to have. Like, I
[47:44] Speaker 2: believe it's like ayahuasca. If you're having a bad trip
[47:47] Speaker 2: or things going wrong, they know to give you lots
[47:49] Speaker 2: of salt and lemon that will kind of bring you
[47:51] Speaker 2: out of it. Like there's a special chemical balance in
[47:56] Speaker 2: the body that has to be achieved. You know, they
[47:58] Speaker 2: know how to guide you through it. And, and, I
[48:02] Speaker 2: just don't think the masses are going to get that
[48:05] Speaker 2: kind of guidance in some medical system.
[48:09] Speaker 1: In my personal journey, the use of psychedelics was done
[48:14] Speaker 1: in a very controlled, spiritual, and respectful way. But I
[48:18] Speaker 1: did do it in my own way based on the
[48:20] Speaker 1: research that I've done and the advice that I've gotten
[48:23] Speaker 1: from others. But you mentioned shamans. There's most likely some
[48:27] Speaker 1: shoddy shamans out there, people who are just calling themselves shamans.
[48:31] Speaker 1: So that they can open these retreat centers and make
[48:35] Speaker 1: a quick buck getting people high off ayahuasca. So this
[48:38] Speaker 1: is something else you have to worry about with this
[48:41] Speaker 1: is people taking advantage of some of these substances because
[48:46] Speaker 1: they're becoming more legal and accessible.
[48:50] Speaker 2: Right. And they're popular and they're using it as a
[48:53] Speaker 2: window to make a quick buck and they don't actually,
[48:56] Speaker 2: I mean, Look, this system is so infiltrated all over
[49:03] Speaker 2: the world. There's probably not very many people who are
[49:06] Speaker 2: connected to traditional ways. I bet you could go into
[49:10] Speaker 2: the Amazon and find a shaman with a big screen TV.
[49:13] Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's so infiltrated. It just is.
[49:17] Speaker 2: It's really difficult. But I think people are craving it.
[49:20] Speaker 2: that organic authenticity. I think that's what they're craving and
[49:24] Speaker 2: they don't know it. They want a wise person to
[49:27] Speaker 2: guide them in connection, but there's, it's just hard to find.
[49:31] Speaker 2: That's why I'm always like, that's why I'm a hermit.
[49:33] Speaker 2: I swear to God. Cause I'm like, Oh, okay.
[49:36] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[49:37] Speaker 2: All right. I see what's happening here. We looked into it.
[49:42] Speaker 2: Like we looked at psilocybin retreats too. And they wanted
[49:47] Speaker 2: like over three grand just to sit there for a
[49:50] Speaker 2: day to do mushrooms in their little fancy spa room.
[49:53] Speaker 2: And my husband's like, and it's, I think it's Oregon
[49:56] Speaker 2: and Colorado where they're allowed to do it. And I
[49:58] Speaker 2: looked up their sites and I was like, that's ridiculous. Ridiculous.
[50:02] Speaker 1: You can do the same thing in my basement. I'm
[50:04] Speaker 1: growing mushrooms. I'll give you a few. You just go
[50:07] Speaker 1: trip out in my basement for a few hours. You'll
[50:09] Speaker 1: get just the same benefits probably.
[50:11] Speaker 2: Me and Mike are coming over. We're going to be
[50:15] Speaker 2: in Chris's basement.
[50:16] Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah.
[50:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. It's like spa retreat monetization of mushrooms essentially.
[50:26] Speaker 2: And I thought that's nuts. It's like nuts.
[50:29] Speaker 1: It is. We're at a crossroads right now. I think
[50:33] Speaker 1: what we choose to interact with, what we choose to
[50:36] Speaker 1: give our energy to is going to dictate the next
[50:39] Speaker 1: step that humanity is going to take, that consciousness is
[50:43] Speaker 1: going to take and where we're ultimately going to go.
[50:46] Speaker 1: Last few minutes, closing thoughts about everything, anything we didn't cover,
[50:51] Speaker 1: anything that you'd like to bring attention to that's unfolding
[50:56] Speaker 1: right now.
[51:00] Speaker 2: I just want people to be aware that most things
[51:02] Speaker 2: are going to be a psyop right now. And most
[51:04] Speaker 2: religions are. And that you have a choice. There can
[51:08] Speaker 2: be a shadow side of Aquarius. Kind of look it up.
[51:10] Speaker 2: I've got a few videos on my channel about it.
[51:13] Speaker 2: I'll probably talk about it again. But we actually get
[51:16] Speaker 2: to choose what our consciousness and where it goes and
[51:19] Speaker 2: where it's focused. So don't get pulled into the speculative,
[51:24] Speaker 2: the spectacle of the crazy stuff. that wants to keep
[51:28] Speaker 2: pulling you into negative and hate and drama. It's hard.
[51:31] Speaker 2: It's hard not to judge. We have to have judgment
[51:33] Speaker 2: in this life. We have to have discernment. But you
[51:35] Speaker 2: get to choose. And if more people choose to pull
[51:39] Speaker 2: away from the negative and the shadow self and explore
[51:42] Speaker 2: their own shadow, it's going to be harder for them
[51:45] Speaker 2: to control you and pull you into the system. And
[51:49] Speaker 2: we get into shadow Aquarius. Instead of an enlightened individual
[51:54] Speaker 2: who's independent, but realizes he or she is part of
[51:57] Speaker 2: a group and can think freely without persecution kind of
[52:01] Speaker 2: thing and not be angry about it. And the other
[52:04] Speaker 2: thing is, is we're highly emotional and they use those
[52:07] Speaker 2: emotions against you. Like you said, MKUltra, all these studies,
[52:12] Speaker 2: they know how to get you emotional and respond to
[52:15] Speaker 2: things and that feeds them and creates hysteria. It muddies
[52:18] Speaker 2: the water. So you, can't see clearly on my show,
[52:21] Speaker 2: I always say observe, don't absorb. You know, and see,
[52:26] Speaker 2: it's a hard practice, even for me. So you just
[52:28] Speaker 2: have to be aware that you get to choose where
[52:30] Speaker 2: you focus on things and what you look at. And
[52:34] Speaker 2: you don't have to participate in their crazy and you
[52:37] Speaker 2: can pull out of it and meditate and be calm.
[52:40] Speaker 2: And you don't have to be afraid, no matter what
[52:44] Speaker 2: they do. Because I think in the end, it just
[52:47] Speaker 2: seems like they have a nihilistic end in mind. Yes.
[52:49] Speaker 2: And if you believe that we go on after this,
[52:51] Speaker 2: then you know, then that's all that matters is that
[52:54] Speaker 2: you've been good to people on this planet.
[52:57] Speaker 1: One more thing I forgot to ask you about is
[52:59] Speaker 1: the state of entertainment, television, movies, music. Major changes are
[53:05] Speaker 1: occurring right now. Traditional Hollywood seems to be falling apart.
[53:10] Speaker 1: What makes me optimistic is the amount of independent creators
[53:14] Speaker 1: that are getting chances right now. My friend Riders made
[53:18] Speaker 1: three movies. I'm on my third movie. I know many
[53:21] Speaker 1: others that are just starting to break into these entertainment
[53:25] Speaker 1: spaces that wasn't accessible just a few years ago. So
[53:30] Speaker 1: very exciting times, even with music. The downside is a
[53:33] Speaker 1: lot of AI music. There's still a lot of trash
[53:38] Speaker 1: coming into Hollywood and a lot of propaganda making its
[53:42] Speaker 1: way through. But it does make me happy to see
[53:45] Speaker 1: the amount of independent people that are starting to break in.
[53:49] Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about entertainment and where it's going?
[53:53] Speaker 2: Well, I think that people are craving authenticity and most
[53:56] Speaker 2: Hollywood people aren't, not all, but most are not very authentic.
[54:01] Speaker 2: It's very, and there's nothing wrong with a structured story
[54:04] Speaker 2: in a good movie. There's nothing wrong with it as
[54:06] Speaker 2: long as they do it right and the archetypes are right.
[54:09] Speaker 2: But the CIA and all those people, they've long used
[54:12] Speaker 2: music and entertainment as propaganda to spread. They were basically
[54:17] Speaker 2: in their minds fighting communism. They wanted to spread Americanism
[54:21] Speaker 2: across America. the the globe and that's how they did
[54:24] Speaker 2: it so you have to be aware of that but
[54:26] Speaker 2: i think also the more that people see even independent
[54:29] Speaker 2: content makers and authentics even if it's people on reels
[54:33] Speaker 2: talking about their life like i watch this girl and
[54:36] Speaker 2: she goes come on and she's from texas and she's
[54:38] Speaker 2: so authentic like watch me make my crappy food i'm
[54:40] Speaker 2: not perfect when people have that contrast they can be
[54:44] Speaker 2: like oh they start to notice how fake the other
[54:46] Speaker 2: stuff is So I think it's good that people keep
[54:49] Speaker 2: still making stuff. Don't stop creating your stuff, even if
[54:52] Speaker 2: you have five people. I don't have tons of people
[54:54] Speaker 2: that listen to me. You guys are welcome to come
[54:56] Speaker 2: over there. But even if you have five people, I mean,
[54:58] Speaker 2: you're still creating stuff the way that we're meant to.
[55:01] Speaker 1: 100%. Melissa, thank you so much. We'll definitely have to
[55:06] Speaker 1: do this again before I let you go. Remind everyone
[55:08] Speaker 1: how they can get access to more of your content.
[55:12] Speaker 1: All right.
[55:12] Speaker 2: Well, I'm on YouTube. I live stream most Sundays at
[55:15] Speaker 2: 5 p.m. Eastern. Um, the handle is at Melissa Dawn show.
[55:20] Speaker 2: The website is the clusterfuck.com. You can find all the
[55:23] Speaker 2: links there. I know some people get offended by that.
[55:27] Speaker 2: So I always ask, I try to respect people too,
[55:29] Speaker 2: because I don't want to swear on their show. I
[55:32] Speaker 2: think swearing, if you do it too much, it's not good,
[55:35] Speaker 2: but you can, you can do it creatively and be okay.
[55:38] Speaker 2: So that's what we try to do on my channel
[55:40] Speaker 2: and all the links are there. So we have the
[55:42] Speaker 2: live stream that goes on, um, And then it goes
[55:45] Speaker 2: on to the audio podcast. You can check that out
[55:48] Speaker 2: on Spotify and iTunes and all that stuff. So yeah,
[55:52] Speaker 2: at Melissa Dawn Show is the handle on the YouTube
[55:54] Speaker 2: channel where most people get in on the chat. So
[55:56] Speaker 2: hope to see you guys there. Excellent.
[55:58] Speaker 1: I'll have those links accessible for everyone. Melissa, thank you
[56:01] Speaker 1: so much. And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.
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