# Talking Stitt: A Society Under Psychosis | Chris Mathieu

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## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: What is up, Stidheads? We are back again. We got
[0:05] Speaker 1: some high strangeness in the world, and I've got one
[0:07] Speaker 1: of my favorites to listen to and to talk to
[0:09] Speaker 1: about high strangeness. Coming back onto the podcast for the
[0:12] Speaker 1: second time, Chris Matthew, man. And if you don't know
[0:15] Speaker 1: this guy, he can explain where you can find him.
[0:17] Speaker 1: He's everywhere all at once, and he's amazing, man. He's
[0:21] Speaker 1: a deep researcher, and he's a documentarian and everything, and
[0:24] Speaker 1: documentary maker is what I meant to say. So anyways,
[0:26] Speaker 1: Chris Matthew, welcome back to the show, dude.
[0:28] Speaker 2: Derek, thank you so much for having me back, man.
[0:31] Speaker 2: It's great to be back. Thank you for the kind
[0:34] Speaker 2: words in the introduction. Let's get fucking weird.
[0:38] Speaker 1: Let's get weird, man. Speaking of weird, man, I just
[0:41] Speaker 1: got to give you some flowers on this. This is
[0:45] Speaker 1: why I was like, holy shit, you got a surprise
[0:49] Speaker 1: guest on one of your fairly recent episodes, you know,
[0:51] Speaker 1: about a month or so ago. And you already had
[0:54] Speaker 1: a big guest coming back on for, I believe, multiple
[0:56] Speaker 1: time guests, Kathy O'Brien, right? And then next thing you know,
[1:00] Speaker 1: she asks if she can bring a friend on with
[1:03] Speaker 1: her and Roseanne Barr pops up on your Zoom or StreamYard.
[1:08] Speaker 1: Tell me about that, dude. How cool is that?
[1:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty wild. Like you said, I was
[1:13] Speaker 2: scheduled to do the interview with Kathy O'Brien and Dr.
[1:18] Speaker 2: Juliet Engel, another amazing guest, MKUltra survivor from way back
[1:22] Speaker 2: in the day. And when I get on with Kathy,
[1:25] Speaker 2: she's like, hey, I got a friend I want to
[1:27] Speaker 2: introduce you to. fucking Roseanne just hops on she's like
[1:31] Speaker 2: hey how are you I'm like holy shit Kathy's like
[1:35] Speaker 2: oh you mind if she joins us I'm like fuck
[1:38] Speaker 2: no let's do this and the rest is history it
[1:41] Speaker 2: was a nice little surprise you know I love Roseanne
[1:45] Speaker 2: I don't really follow her that much I don't agree
[1:47] Speaker 2: with everything she has to say I'm glad she did
[1:50] Speaker 2: say some things and I think she's super nutty for
[1:53] Speaker 2: other things but it was certainly a fun episode.
[1:56] Speaker 1: That's where I am with Roseanne. I don't want to
[1:58] Speaker 1: make this about her. I've just made it like, dude,
[2:00] Speaker 1: that's so crazy that you literally just got surprised with, oh,
[2:04] Speaker 1: by the way, like we just signed into the Zoom
[2:06] Speaker 1: meeting and before we hit record, can my friend join?
[2:10] Speaker 1: You know, it's like having 25 years ago, can my
[2:12] Speaker 1: friend come with me to the party? And then Diddy
[2:14] Speaker 1: walks in, you know, and you're like, I mean, I'm not,
[2:17] Speaker 1: I'm not comparing her to Diddy, but I'm just saying
[2:18] Speaker 1: like a big, a big star in these kinds of
[2:20] Speaker 1: spaces where you're like, whoa, shit. Yeah, dude, that's cool
[2:24] Speaker 1: as hell. I'm with you on Roseanne. I'm glad she
[2:26] Speaker 1: asked questions. I don't agree with every answer she comes
[2:30] Speaker 1: up with or every question she goes down, but she's
[2:33] Speaker 1: another one that's escaped Hollywood and actually is glad she did.
[2:38] Speaker 1: Kind of like Owen Benjamin and people like that. They
[2:41] Speaker 1: got kicked out and they couldn't be happier. And you've
[2:44] Speaker 1: also got a new documentary coming up and I don't
[2:47] Speaker 1: want to give the suspense away or anything, but when...
[2:53] Speaker 1: Are you shooting right now? I know you've been posting stuff,
[2:55] Speaker 1: some stuff about it lately. So, uh, what's going on?
[2:58] Speaker 2: We are almost finished. I am in the final editing stages,
[3:04] Speaker 2: putting the finishing touches on everything. And hopefully we'll see
[3:08] Speaker 2: a release around October, maybe early November in the streaming platforms.
[3:13] Speaker 2: This one's going to be a little different instead of
[3:15] Speaker 2: the straight up documentaries, very serious information, uh, this is
[3:20] Speaker 2: going to be a sci-fi comedy mockumentary starring myself, myself
[3:25] Speaker 2: and myself playing a few different, uh, characters along with
[3:30] Speaker 2: a whole host of our friends and colleagues in this space.
[3:35] Speaker 2: People like Charlie Robinson, Trey Hudson, some Brandon Thomas, some
[3:40] Speaker 2: great names that we all know and love. And we're
[3:43] Speaker 2: having fun with this one. It's, it's pretty hilarious. And, uh,
[3:47] Speaker 2: we will release more as it closes out. So we're
[3:52] Speaker 2: really looking forward to this.
[3:54] Speaker 1: Well, I like that. I like the idea of the
[3:56] Speaker 1: sci-fi thing with it too, because we're in this weird,
[3:59] Speaker 1: like I kind of want to get into, before I
[4:01] Speaker 1: get into what I was kind of talking to you
[4:02] Speaker 1: before we recorded, like it's, it's a perfect time to
[4:06] Speaker 1: release this stuff because there's so much parody, but there's
[4:09] Speaker 1: so much truth. And then if you can kind of
[4:10] Speaker 1: blend the truth and parody together, um, then, um, I mean,
[4:15] Speaker 1: we've got disclosure. People are finding out there's aliens, even
[4:18] Speaker 1: though we probably knew there was aliens and spaceships and
[4:20] Speaker 1: everything else. But now the government's saying it, but nobody
[4:23] Speaker 1: cares because there's so many other psyops going on all
[4:25] Speaker 1: at once. So if you can take it into a
[4:28] Speaker 1: fun kind of approachable comedy sense, that actually really comes
[4:33] Speaker 1: off more honest than just being like, well, we've got
[4:35] Speaker 1: this story. You know, like a very serious documentary.
[4:39] Speaker 2: Well, I can give you a little bit of the
[4:41] Speaker 2: plot to give you an idea of what we're working on.
[4:46] Speaker 2: I play myself, Chris Matthew, a podcaster that is interested
[4:50] Speaker 2: in alternative topics and dabbling in occult and into psychedelics.
[4:57] Speaker 2: And he gets too deep into some occult magic rituals
[5:02] Speaker 2: that involve psychedelics and he goes missing. His wife hires
[5:07] Speaker 2: a private detective, Marty Maxwell, PI, played by myself. And
[5:13] Speaker 2: I then proceed to try and find out what happened
[5:16] Speaker 2: to the missing Chris Matthew. I interview his friends and
[5:20] Speaker 2: colleagues and all the weirdos he knows and go on
[5:23] Speaker 2: wild adventures trying to uncover the mystery of Case 369,
[5:29] Speaker 2: Chris and the Quantum Gate, which is going to be
[5:32] Speaker 2: the title of the movie. So it's going to be
[5:34] Speaker 2: a fun one.
[5:35] Speaker 1: That sounds awesome, man. Little X-Files-y, you know, you get
[5:38] Speaker 1: to play your own Mulder, you know, Fox Mulder. That's
[5:40] Speaker 1: fucking cool, dude. That's a really cool idea. Well, also, man, like,
[5:44] Speaker 1: there's just all kinds of weirdness going on in the world. And,
[5:48] Speaker 1: you know, I know you don't get, like, into the
[5:49] Speaker 1: political realm or things like that, but sometimes, like, people
[5:53] Speaker 1: just stay in, like, the base level, the shallow end
[5:55] Speaker 1: of the pool, and they just think left versus right,
[5:58] Speaker 1: you know, men versus women, this versus that. We are in, like,
[6:02] Speaker 1: another psychosis, in my opinion, right now, where where we're defending,
[6:07] Speaker 1: you know, regardless of whether a doctor over prescribed medication
[6:11] Speaker 1: or the husband killed the kids or the wife killed
[6:13] Speaker 1: the kids or whatever, 15,000 narratives are going on in
[6:17] Speaker 1: this Lindsay Clancy thing. There is just this so much
[6:20] Speaker 1: weirdness of support of not even the case. We're forgetting
[6:24] Speaker 1: about the children in the case, but the followers of
[6:28] Speaker 1: it that are like weirdly like, like it's like they're
[6:32] Speaker 1: trapped in this spell almost. And they're making these TikTok videos, same,
[6:37] Speaker 1: and this and that. And it's like, man, is society
[6:42] Speaker 1: under some mind control right now? We've got every psyop
[6:45] Speaker 1: under the sun going on all at once. But this
[6:48] Speaker 1: is the newest one that's going on.
[6:49] Speaker 2: What are you referring to? Because I've been buried in
[6:54] Speaker 2: my film murder case. Please enlighten me.
[6:57] Speaker 1: Okay, so the Lindsay Clancy, she killed her three kids.
[7:01] Speaker 1: Long story short, that's what they say. But yesterday was
[7:07] Speaker 1: declared a mistrial because one person wouldn't declare non-guilty while
[7:11] Speaker 1: it turned into this nationwide thing in the last month that, well,
[7:15] Speaker 1: she had postpartum depression and her psychiatrist gave her all
[7:18] Speaker 1: this medication. That's why she had psychosis. So we feel
[7:22] Speaker 1: bad for her and we forget about the kids. So
[7:25] Speaker 1: I'm getting at like, we are into degradation of society
[7:28] Speaker 1: right now or whatever. My point is, is like, we're
[7:31] Speaker 1: seeing PSYOP after PSYOP and it's just, Every other week,
[7:35] Speaker 1: now it's men versus women. Then next week, it's going
[7:37] Speaker 1: to be Christians versus Muslims again. Then it's going to be... 100%.
[7:41] Speaker 1: You know, like, why are we under this hypnosis of.
[7:46] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[7:47] Speaker 2: Of nonsense. Nonsense. What I can say based on my
[7:52] Speaker 2: observations and my personal experience and the years I've spent
[7:56] Speaker 2: doing this, all the interviews and people that I've spoken with,
[7:59] Speaker 2: all the research I've done, we are under a psychological
[8:06] Speaker 2: operation of a mass scale that has been going on
[8:09] Speaker 2: for a very long time. I personally have learned to
[8:12] Speaker 2: check out of as much as possible. Like the case
[8:15] Speaker 2: you were just mentioning, I had no idea what you
[8:17] Speaker 2: were talking about. Which is best. I pay enough attention
[8:20] Speaker 2: to know the state of crazy that our society is.
[8:24] Speaker 2: And There's constantly some level of psychological manipulation and control
[8:31] Speaker 2: that society has been under for as long as we've known,
[8:37] Speaker 2: as long as history goes. But we've entered a dangerous
[8:43] Speaker 2: time in our modern age where through things like MKUltra
[8:49] Speaker 2: and the experimentation that's been done, they've learned... the human
[8:55] Speaker 2: mind and human psychology and how to affect human consciousness
[9:01] Speaker 2: on a scale that's unfathomable for most people. They were
[9:06] Speaker 2: experimenting with that for years, 60s, 70s, 80s, and now
[9:10] Speaker 2: I believe that it's implementation time. We're in the middle
[9:14] Speaker 2: of a mass MKUltra operation on all of humanity that
[9:19] Speaker 2: involves social media, involves pharmaceuticals, It involves all the crazy
[9:25] Speaker 2: information that we're being bombarded with. I think it even
[9:30] Speaker 2: involves conspiracy culture and the planting of a lot of
[9:35] Speaker 2: this misinformation and misdirection so that everybody's confused. Nobody really
[9:41] Speaker 2: knows what's going on. And you add in the pharmaceuticals
[9:44] Speaker 2: and the nudges that people can receive by interacting with
[9:47] Speaker 2: certain things online.
[9:48] Speaker 1: That.
[9:51] Speaker 2: is going to cause a level of psychosis that wouldn't
[9:55] Speaker 2: be here if we weren't subjected to this level of
[9:58] Speaker 2: technology and drugs. So people are basically being controlled and
[10:03] Speaker 2: hypnotized on a mass scale.
[10:05] Speaker 1: That's the moral of the whole thing. The moral of
[10:08] Speaker 1: the story is that we are hyper-focusing on these case-by-case things.
[10:16] Speaker 1: And this is like, you know, another OJ Simpson thing.
[10:18] Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, it's another this. I'm not comparing
[10:21] Speaker 1: the exact cases to that. But it's another Johnny Depp
[10:24] Speaker 1: and Amber Heard where everybody is tuning into it and
[10:28] Speaker 1: watching it on TV. Meanwhile, there's mothers that kill their
[10:31] Speaker 1: kids all the time, which is still fucked up. But
[10:34] Speaker 1: why are those cases not, you know, publicly on TV
[10:38] Speaker 1: every single day? And why are they not all over
[10:40] Speaker 1: the news? The thing is, is like, you're exactly right.
[10:45] Speaker 1: they're showing us what they want to show us because
[10:47] Speaker 1: we are under their mind control game. And it's like,
[10:50] Speaker 1: it's like a light switch. Do you ever see the movie,
[10:52] Speaker 1: the cabin in the woods? Yeah.
[10:54] Speaker 2: Okay.
[10:55] Speaker 1: You know, the twist of the movie, right? Sorry. Sorry
[10:58] Speaker 1: to spoil it. It's 20 years old, but you know,
[11:01] Speaker 1: long story short, there's these guys underground that are pulling
[11:05] Speaker 1: all the switches and levers with a big chalkboard behind
[11:07] Speaker 1: him saying, who's coming out the werewolf, the zombie, the blah, blah, blah. The,
[11:12] Speaker 1: you know, guy with the chainsaw. That's what it is
[11:14] Speaker 1: week by week. So, yeah, they just click it on
[11:18] Speaker 1: almost like rigged sports. Who's going to be the new
[11:20] Speaker 1: talking point for the week? Oh, the Buffalo Bulls.
[11:23] Speaker 2: We're subjected to trauma theater. The more trauma we are
[11:28] Speaker 2: subjected to, the more desensitized we become so that they
[11:31] Speaker 2: can roll out more sick and depraved behavior that we
[11:36] Speaker 2: have become used to. And things like the Epstein Files.
[11:42] Speaker 2: There's no justice being served. The people involved are still
[11:44] Speaker 2: going about their everyday lives just like they were before.
[11:49] Speaker 2: But we've been bombarded with Satanism and baby eating and
[11:53] Speaker 2: all the horrible things that have come out of the files.
[11:57] Speaker 2: There was about three days of calling for justice, and
[12:01] Speaker 2: now everybody's put it in the memory hold and been
[12:05] Speaker 2: desensitized to all the information. So next time they are
[12:09] Speaker 2: shown a round of horrible things. The reaction is, well,
[12:13] Speaker 2: we're just ruled by Satanists. What are you going to
[12:15] Speaker 2: do about it? It's just the way it is. And
[12:18] Speaker 2: then everything keeps rolling right along and the operation keeps going.
[12:23] Speaker 1: And it doesn't stop and it just gets worse because
[12:25] Speaker 1: our compliance is, you know, what makes them stronger at it.
[12:29] Speaker 1: It makes them keep going because then it's this weird,
[12:32] Speaker 1: you let the vampire in the front door because he
[12:35] Speaker 1: had to ask permission. You gave the permission. Right. That's that.
[12:40] Speaker 1: hate to say it. Like we allow these things because
[12:43] Speaker 1: our lives are so complicated, but that's the double-edged sword
[12:46] Speaker 1: is they complicate our lives. So we're compliant in the situation,
[12:50] Speaker 1: you know? And I'm not saying that like, Oh, you
[12:52] Speaker 1: need a revolution or whatever, but you do have a,
[12:54] Speaker 1: you need to have like a mental revolution of it,
[12:57] Speaker 1: of first understanding that, you know, like understanding that like,
[13:01] Speaker 1: they're going to manipulate your mind. And when you can
[13:03] Speaker 1: check out of it, that's why I was able to
[13:05] Speaker 1: look on this, like, uh, Lindsay Clancy trial thing I
[13:08] Speaker 1: was talking about earlier. Because the moment it hit, I
[13:13] Speaker 1: was like, this flooded my algorithm overnight. But she did
[13:18] Speaker 1: this three years ago, apparently. Three or four years ago.
[13:20] Speaker 1: But it was literally one day I saw a post
[13:23] Speaker 1: or two of somebody in text writing it, like on
[13:25] Speaker 1: Facebook or something. The next day, every Instagram reel, everything. Everything.
[13:30] Speaker 1: I was like, why are men supposed to hate women
[13:34] Speaker 1: all of a sudden now? Now, that's not taking away
[13:36] Speaker 1: what she did, but you could see the psyop immediately
[13:39] Speaker 1: in at least from my perspective, you know.
[13:43] Speaker 2: Accountability is one of the hugest problems that we have.
[13:46] Speaker 2: Personal accountability, admitting our role in everything that is occurring
[13:52] Speaker 2: right now. The more we have been participating with the
[13:56] Speaker 2: system and feeding it and not checking out of the
[13:59] Speaker 2: anti-human operations that continue to roll out, the more we're
[14:04] Speaker 2: feeding that beast. And by realizing our own hand in this,
[14:10] Speaker 2: that we voted, we've put these people in office. We
[14:14] Speaker 2: are funding all these operations with our tax dollars. We
[14:19] Speaker 2: are allowing everything to happen to us. And the more
[14:24] Speaker 2: we check out of it, the more we empower ourselves.
[14:27] Speaker 2: And that is the answer. And that includes taking care
[14:32] Speaker 2: of our own mental and emotional shit and And not
[14:35] Speaker 2: having to rely on daddy government and the medical system
[14:38] Speaker 2: to medicate us so we can function normally in life.
[14:43] Speaker 2: And another part of that is checking out of social
[14:45] Speaker 2: media as much as possible, checking out of toxic entertainment,
[14:49] Speaker 2: toxic music, anything that is not benefiting you or on
[14:55] Speaker 2: the other end poisoning you, leave it behind, you know?
[15:00] Speaker 1: I was out on my, our, me and my wife
[15:02] Speaker 1: and our, you know, kids, a new land this morning
[15:05] Speaker 1: and we're out cleaning shit up and just kind of
[15:07] Speaker 1: checking stuff out. And, you know, it's, it's just like,
[15:10] Speaker 1: we were out there for what, four hours or so
[15:12] Speaker 1: this morning, just doing stuff. And it's just, man, like
[15:15] Speaker 1: when you, you just get away from everything, it's just
[15:18] Speaker 1: fucking awesome. You know, it's like, you just check out
[15:20] Speaker 1: of the BS of the world and you realize that
[15:24] Speaker 1: everything's kind of manufactured and it's like, it, I get it.
[15:28] Speaker 1: Everybody's on their own journey and path. Like you're playing
[15:30] Speaker 1: a call of duty game. Some guys on level two,
[15:33] Speaker 1: some guys on level seven or some guys, whatever Mario
[15:35] Speaker 1: or whatever, but everybody's on their own journey. But when they,
[15:39] Speaker 1: when they start realizing like, Oh, this is all just
[15:42] Speaker 1: a game. Like we're being manipulated. There's something freeing about that.
[15:46] Speaker 1: And then every little thing that you step away from,
[15:49] Speaker 1: like I said, just walking around and trucking around by
[15:52] Speaker 1: my new Creek and my new pond and my new,
[15:54] Speaker 1: this I'm like, this is it. This is it, you know?
[15:58] Speaker 2: Yeah. Most people are trapped in the realm of materialism
[16:04] Speaker 2: and technology and they're enamored with it. They're enamored with
[16:09] Speaker 2: what they have the ability to do, the ease of
[16:12] Speaker 2: access of everything. And unfortunately, most people will not give
[16:17] Speaker 2: that up. Excuse me. And they're going to be swallowed
[16:20] Speaker 2: up by the system as we become this technological slave
[16:24] Speaker 2: surveillance state as that emerges and people keep wanting that
[16:29] Speaker 2: and keep participating with it, that's going to perpetuate and
[16:34] Speaker 2: sustain itself. I do think there are many, many people
[16:38] Speaker 2: out there like yourself, like myself, that are perfectly fine
[16:42] Speaker 2: with the level of technology we have right now. I
[16:45] Speaker 2: think we can thrive as humans if we would just
[16:49] Speaker 2: stay at this level and If we were to be
[16:52] Speaker 2: able to shift technology to where it would benefit humanity
[16:58] Speaker 2: more than benefit technology and the ruling class, that would
[17:03] Speaker 2: be ideal. But it's these tech nor dork nerd psychopaths
[17:11] Speaker 2: that are wanting this technology, this surveillance technology, this dark
[17:17] Speaker 2: neuroscience technology, this technology of control. transhumanism a way to
[17:24] Speaker 2: upload their consciousness into different realms most people don't want
[17:31] Speaker 2: any of that shit that's not on their radar at
[17:34] Speaker 2: all and it never will be.
[17:35] Speaker 1: Especially nowadays with our diets we hit 35 and we're
[17:39] Speaker 1: like i feel like i'm 70 fuck you don't tell
[17:41] Speaker 1: me i've lived to 700 no way anyways continue yeah.
[17:45] Speaker 2: No it's just that uh you know they're trying to
[17:48] Speaker 2: push this dystopian technology on us most people would be
[17:52] Speaker 2: able to thrive their entire lives without going any further
[17:57] Speaker 2: with the technology they have. Hell, people like myself and
[18:01] Speaker 2: others would be able, and probably like yourself, would be
[18:03] Speaker 2: able to go backwards a few decades and still thrive
[18:07] Speaker 2: without any kind of technology. It's all about balance, and
[18:12] Speaker 2: they have destroyed the balance in our reality a long
[18:16] Speaker 2: time ago. And We're at a crossroads right now. We
[18:21] Speaker 2: really have to decide what we're going to give our
[18:23] Speaker 2: energy to, what we're going to interact with, what kind
[18:26] Speaker 2: of technology we are going to adopt. AI is also
[18:31] Speaker 2: at a crossroads. It can be beneficial. I do use
[18:34] Speaker 2: AI for some artwork. I've been using it in my
[18:37] Speaker 2: film a little bit. It can be great for some things,
[18:41] Speaker 2: but it is extremely detrimental for creativity. beyond a daily
[18:51] Speaker 2: basis that can't answer questions without it, that are forming
[18:54] Speaker 2: relationships with it. Yes, the extreme. And then you have
[18:58] Speaker 2: the data centers, which most people probably have no idea
[19:02] Speaker 2: what's really happening there. I've done a few interesting shows
[19:05] Speaker 2: recently with speculation that it gets wild that some of
[19:10] Speaker 2: the data centers may be housing digital avatars of every person,
[19:17] Speaker 2: meaning that It's based off of not only the data
[19:21] Speaker 2: that we've inputted since we had a digital fingerprint online,
[19:25] Speaker 2: but because our devices are so advanced and they can
[19:28] Speaker 2: listen to us and they have cameras and they most
[19:30] Speaker 2: likely can read our minds, they've been gathering more than
[19:35] Speaker 2: the data that you've been inputting. And some would speculate.
[19:40] Speaker 2: My friend Wayne Steiger, who I had on the other day,
[19:42] Speaker 2: he believes that there are real-time digital avatars of ourselves that...
[19:49] Speaker 2: are in this digital world realm having this same conversation
[19:53] Speaker 2: that you and I are having in real time because
[19:56] Speaker 2: they have enough information to model our behavior to where
[20:00] Speaker 2: they can predict basically everything that we're doing. And they
[20:04] Speaker 2: use that to influence us and give us suggestions online.
[20:08] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[20:09] Speaker 2: Show us things. It's fucking wild. If that's true.
[20:13] Speaker 1: Okay. You know what? I can actually run with that
[20:15] Speaker 1: for a minute. Cause I do like, you know, it's a,
[20:19] Speaker 1: what's he saying on Django DiCaprio? First, you had my curiosity,
[20:23] Speaker 1: my full undivided attention, you know, it's like, well, I
[20:28] Speaker 1: like that idea because it goes to the argument of like,
[20:31] Speaker 1: what is an algorithm? If we know AI is possibly
[20:36] Speaker 1: sentient or is becoming sentient or whatever at this point
[20:40] Speaker 1: and shit, you know, everything's going to progress. So if
[20:42] Speaker 1: it hasn't already, it's going to inevitably. But you're like, well,
[20:46] Speaker 1: what is an algorithm? What feeds you that? And so
[20:49] Speaker 1: what if it was almost like that's almost kind of
[20:51] Speaker 1: describing like a shadow self or something. You know what
[20:54] Speaker 1: I'm kind of saying? It's like, you know, you know
[20:56] Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, that's why I was like, hmm.
[20:59] Speaker 1: I can, you know, I don't know if that necessarily
[21:02] Speaker 1: there's an answer to that, but I'm like, well, to
[21:03] Speaker 1: take it even further, like a mirror world.
[21:06] Speaker 2: Yes.
[21:07] Speaker 1: Looking in the mirror and the you yourself in the
[21:09] Speaker 1: mirror starts moving differently than the you that's standing in
[21:12] Speaker 1: front of the mirror.
[21:13] Speaker 2: You know, it's just a digital you that is. Living
[21:17] Speaker 2: its digital life based on all the information it's ever
[21:20] Speaker 2: gathered from you and read your mind and done pictures
[21:23] Speaker 2: of you and listened to you.
[21:24] Speaker 1: But when you go left, it goes right or whatever.
[21:27] Speaker 2: It could be an upside down realm.
[21:29] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[21:30] Speaker 2: To take it even further, he believes they want to
[21:32] Speaker 2: eventually merge these realms. That's what the transhumanists want is
[21:36] Speaker 2: us to be able to merge with that other self
[21:39] Speaker 2: and be able to live that in that digital realm somehow.
[21:44] Speaker 2: Just fucking wild.
[21:45] Speaker 1: But then that gets into, like, you know, creating the Matrix.
[21:49] Speaker 1: Eventually you'll be laying in the pod, living out a
[21:51] Speaker 1: fantasy realm. Or, I mean, Truman, on the Truman Show,
[21:55] Speaker 1: at least got to walk around with his physical self,
[21:57] Speaker 1: even though everything was a lie. But, you know, yeah,
[22:00] Speaker 1: it's weird because we are living in this thing right
[22:03] Speaker 1: now where everybody's divided over these tiny little petty bullshit things.
[22:07] Speaker 1: And we're in America where we're supposed to, our voice
[22:09] Speaker 1: is heard, our, you know, our vote is supposed to
[22:12] Speaker 1: count and all of these things. But meanwhile, there's people
[22:16] Speaker 1: getting arrested for just speaking their opinions, not even being
[22:19] Speaker 1: as obstructive or anything at these town hall meetings for
[22:22] Speaker 1: data centers. There's one that they're building in the town
[22:25] Speaker 1: that I live in now that people have been showing
[22:28] Speaker 1: up in mass amounts to protest, not protest, but going
[22:31] Speaker 1: to the town hall meetings with actual real information, not
[22:34] Speaker 1: just screaming like rednecks or anything.
[22:39] Speaker 2: What state are you in?
[22:40] Speaker 1: I'm in Oklahoma. And so I live in Okmulgee, Oklahoma,
[22:45] Speaker 1: which is like about an hour-ish, less than an hour
[22:49] Speaker 1: south from Tulsa. But my point is, is we're supposed
[22:53] Speaker 1: to have our voice be heard. That's what these town
[22:56] Speaker 1: hall meetings and things are for. That's what our vote
[22:59] Speaker 1: is supposed to be for. And we're seeing this technocratic
[23:01] Speaker 1: state being just ushered in no matter what. And then
[23:05] Speaker 1: now you've still got, I hate to say it, but
[23:07] Speaker 1: there's a lot of boomers that use the argument of like, well, it's,
[23:11] Speaker 1: you know, flock cameras, stop getting kid, child trafficking and
[23:15] Speaker 1: this and that. But then you're like, well, then why
[23:18] Speaker 1: are crime just as big in the places has the
[23:20] Speaker 1: most flock cameras. But now they're saying, well, we're going
[23:24] Speaker 1: to start kicking back the flock cameras, but they're just
[23:26] Speaker 1: switching to another brand, the Axon brand, which is what
[23:29] Speaker 1: most States have been using for their body cams. So
[23:31] Speaker 1: it's just a bait and switch, man. Like people are
[23:34] Speaker 1: just falling for it. And before we know it, I mean,
[23:37] Speaker 1: we're already in 1984, basically.
[23:39] Speaker 2: Yeah. What I am hoping is that what we're seeing
[23:42] Speaker 2: online and on the news is primarily illusion, which it
[23:46] Speaker 2: most likely is.
[23:48] Speaker 1: Probably and hopefully.
[23:49] Speaker 2: Most of what's portrayed is theater. From the people that
[23:52] Speaker 2: I talk to myself in my own life, going to
[23:55] Speaker 2: the grocery store, going outside, my friends and family, nobody
[24:01] Speaker 2: is down with the flock cameras. Nobody's down with the
[24:03] Speaker 2: surveillance state. There seems to be a pushback that is
[24:10] Speaker 2: beyond anything I've seen recently as far as the totalitarianism,
[24:15] Speaker 2: going back to people pushing back against COVID. I think
[24:19] Speaker 2: that there is going to be a difficult time for
[24:23] Speaker 2: the ruling class and the technocrats to implement these flock
[24:28] Speaker 2: cameras and these surveillance technology, even if they try and
[24:31] Speaker 2: rebrand it. There are a lot of cases going to
[24:34] Speaker 2: the Supreme Court that we're not hearing about that are
[24:38] Speaker 2: being suppressed online, and you're not going to hear about
[24:40] Speaker 2: it on social media, but there's a lot of legal
[24:44] Speaker 2: things going on behind the scenes, and we have to
[24:46] Speaker 2: hope that the Supreme Court would do the right thing,
[24:49] Speaker 2: and that's a whole other illusionary system right there. But
[24:54] Speaker 2: the fact that so many people are against it, and
[24:57] Speaker 2: it's most likely all they have is the illusionary nonsense
[25:02] Speaker 2: that they're portraying online to.
[25:06] Speaker 2: Solidify the, the, you know, the, their ability to get
[25:09] Speaker 2: these cameras out there. So that gives me hope that
[25:12] Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that just aren't down with this,
[25:15] Speaker 2: these cameras and surveillance shit.
[25:18] Speaker 1: And exactly. And then that's the funny thing is like,
[25:21] Speaker 1: we always talk about the unit party and politics that
[25:24] Speaker 1: controls us. It's like, Oh, it doesn't matter every four years, blah, blah, blah,
[25:27] Speaker 1: half the same policies still get enacted. But then we're
[25:31] Speaker 1: kind of seeing like, you know, a lot of people
[25:34] Speaker 1: are coming together on this thing on surveillance state, especially,
[25:38] Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, maybe 50 and under are
[25:41] Speaker 1: kind of realizing it because they're looking back when they
[25:43] Speaker 1: were younger and seeing what happened post a Patriot act. Right.
[25:48] Speaker 1: And we're like, Whoa, now that knowing what we know
[25:50] Speaker 1: about the Patriot act, this is, this is a comic
[25:53] Speaker 1: book compared to the 900 page novel that this new
[25:58] Speaker 1: surveillance technocratic state is going to come into. So yeah,
[26:02] Speaker 1: They're kind of bucking the system. But it's kind of
[26:04] Speaker 1: beautiful in a way that left and right are kind
[26:08] Speaker 1: of coming together on this idea, maybe for different reasons,
[26:11] Speaker 1: but if we can come together regardless, that's pretty fucking cool.
[26:15] Speaker 1: But it is, there's something about it, like they want
[26:18] Speaker 1: us to just be angry about everything, but I'm glad
[26:22] Speaker 1: that people are coming together on, we don't need to
[26:24] Speaker 1: be under constant surveillance.
[26:26] Speaker 2: Yeah. The surveillance is a small part of of everything
[26:33] Speaker 2: that they are trying to implement right now. I think
[26:38] Speaker 2: the AI data centers are connected with everything. I think
[26:41] Speaker 2: what we just talked about is a huge part of it,
[26:43] Speaker 2: if that is the case.
[26:44] Speaker 1: Because where does the data go to the data center?
[26:46] Speaker 2: Yes.
[26:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[26:47] Speaker 2: If they are building that information, I think that's linked
[26:54] Speaker 2: to the other things that are Unfolding right now, even
[26:57] Speaker 2: with Iran, with the, the war in Iran and what's
[27:02] Speaker 2: happening with Israel right now.
[27:04] Speaker 1: Where's the Epstein files in a data center.
[27:09] Speaker 2: There's a, uh, an end times narrative on top of
[27:12] Speaker 2: everything else that is being manufactured. I think that there
[27:17] Speaker 2: is a desire to. to get people to dislike and
[27:23] Speaker 2: hate Israel enough so where they can fulfill this insane
[27:27] Speaker 2: prophecy of their new Messiah and bring about the end times. Now,
[27:32] Speaker 2: I think there's different factions at play. I think that
[27:35] Speaker 2: there's really religious fanatic factions that have a lot of
[27:38] Speaker 2: power that are attempting to bring this on. But I
[27:42] Speaker 2: think the technocrats are using them to achieve their goals.
[27:47] Speaker 2: They're using these religious factions fanatics and the israel situation
[27:52] Speaker 2: yeah to take down the entire system so that they
[27:55] Speaker 2: can rebuild it with this technological state i think that's
[27:59] Speaker 2: what the the new temple is supposed to.
[28:01] Speaker 1: Be and then like a pete hegseth ushering in like
[28:04] Speaker 1: the military might into the conversation too yeah exactly yeah.
[28:08] Speaker 2: On top of that there's the ufo extraterrestrial narrative now
[28:13] Speaker 2: this i think coincides with the end times narrative with
[28:18] Speaker 2: the data centers with everything They're going to slowly implement
[28:23] Speaker 2: a narrative either that we have a new unseen enemy
[28:27] Speaker 2: that we need to be protected from. And daddy government
[28:30] Speaker 2: is the only ones that can do it in this
[28:33] Speaker 2: surveillance state is necessary because we got to fight the aliens.
[28:37] Speaker 2: Or the other hand, they could be our saviors. There's
[28:40] Speaker 2: two different narratives even coming from within government. They're here
[28:44] Speaker 2: to save us. And, you know, that could go in
[28:48] Speaker 2: many different directions. But I think it's the latter. I
[28:51] Speaker 2: think that they're going to portray it as a threat
[28:53] Speaker 2: so that they could use the surveillance state to protect
[28:57] Speaker 2: us from the incoming extraterrestrials. And it's all part of
[29:02] Speaker 2: this technological surveillance state narrative. I don't think we're really
[29:07] Speaker 2: in the end times. I think this is all being manufactured.
[29:10] Speaker 1: Yes, so many things. And then the first thing I
[29:13] Speaker 1: want to say is like, even like Ronald Reagan, you know,
[29:16] Speaker 1: was famous for speaking about, you know, a global threat
[29:19] Speaker 1: to bring us all together and everything. And then the,
[29:23] Speaker 1: in my opinion, the greatest fictional presidential speech of all
[29:26] Speaker 1: time is Bill Pullman at the end of, uh, you know,
[29:30] Speaker 1: independence day when he's somehow, we didn't go quietly into
[29:33] Speaker 1: the night and blah, blah, blah. You know, that that's
[29:35] Speaker 1: a fantastic rally speech, but it's also weirdly prepping you
[29:38] Speaker 1: with Hollywood, uh, slop to make you think that one
[29:42] Speaker 1: day because that's just less than a decade after reagan
[29:45] Speaker 1: said it that oh now it's in fiction at this
[29:47] Speaker 1: point but reagan's already talking about star wars so that's
[29:51] Speaker 1: already been in fiction it's this big narrative that they're
[29:54] Speaker 1: playing with like space, whether it's fake and gay or
[29:58] Speaker 1: whether it's completely real and we don't know what it is, whatever,
[30:01] Speaker 1: whether it's the technocratic state, it's all these things right
[30:05] Speaker 1: now converging at once. And I think that's what people
[30:08] Speaker 1: are weirdly like. Everybody's noticing, even if even if you're
[30:14] Speaker 1: deep into the weeds, you're deeper than me. But, you know,
[30:17] Speaker 1: guys like you and me and stuff like we're deeper
[30:19] Speaker 1: into the weeds than this, than most normies. But even
[30:22] Speaker 1: normies are like, why is technology taking over everything right now?
[30:26] Speaker 1: And you're like, yes, because this is the next chapter
[30:28] Speaker 1: in the book, whether we like it or not. And
[30:30] Speaker 1: we're kind of bending over and taking it right now.
[30:34] Speaker 2: I think it's also, we can circle back from the
[30:37] Speaker 2: UFO disclosure narrative back to MK ultra huge connection there.
[30:44] Speaker 2: I think from the beginning of the UFO abduction narrative. Yes.
[30:50] Speaker 2: There has been abductions that have been staged by our
[30:53] Speaker 2: military industrial complex. There have been narratives put forward. There
[30:57] Speaker 2: have been people inserted into ufology to perpetuate this narrative.
[31:02] Speaker 2: But the MKUltra thing gets deep. I've interviewed plenty of
[31:07] Speaker 2: MKUltra victims and people who have claimed to have been
[31:10] Speaker 2: secret space soldiers and super soldiers and all that wild stuff.
[31:13] Speaker 2: That's all connected to MKUltra, I believe. I think it
[31:18] Speaker 2: used to be that some of these people were physically taken.
[31:21] Speaker 2: Usually people in the military are from intelligence families. They
[31:24] Speaker 2: have that connection. They were taken to facilities. They were
[31:28] Speaker 2: experimented on. They were drugged. Depending on the outcome, if
[31:32] Speaker 2: they wanted to be a honey sex pot or an
[31:34] Speaker 2: assassin or even a politician or a music store or
[31:39] Speaker 2: a rock store, they did it all. They groomed them all.
[31:41] Speaker 2: But there's also this– faction the the secret space program
[31:47] Speaker 2: faction that abducted people and stage abductions they would hypnotize
[31:53] Speaker 2: them to believe that they were fighting aliens in different
[31:56] Speaker 2: realms they drug them and take them to meet aliens
[31:59] Speaker 2: is all this the weird abduction secret space military abduction
[32:03] Speaker 2: stuff that you hear about it's all connected and it
[32:07] Speaker 2: was all part of the mk ultra to learn how
[32:10] Speaker 2: to integrate the the fake alien thing that they're coming
[32:15] Speaker 2: up with into our reality in a believable way. And
[32:18] Speaker 2: what better way than to plant real abductions out there
[32:23] Speaker 2: to perpetuate abductions and have the people believe that they
[32:26] Speaker 2: were really happening enough to where they go out on a,
[32:30] Speaker 2: you know, a conference tour and they're talking about it
[32:33] Speaker 2: and they're writing books and they're making movies and they're narrative. Yep.
[32:37] Speaker 2: They are so serious about it and they really believe
[32:40] Speaker 2: it happened. So it perpetuates the UFO narrative. And that's
[32:44] Speaker 2: not to say that there's not aliens out there. I
[32:47] Speaker 2: don't really align with the little green men coming from
[32:51] Speaker 2: different planets. If there is other intelligences, I would think
[32:55] Speaker 2: that they are non-physical or interdimensional type of spiritual intelligences
[33:02] Speaker 2: that can interact with us in some ways. And I
[33:04] Speaker 2: think that's a part of it. That's also a part
[33:06] Speaker 2: of the stranger side of even what they were doing
[33:10] Speaker 2: with MKUltra. They were getting people to astral project. They
[33:14] Speaker 2: were getting people to time travel. I think that they
[33:18] Speaker 2: were even getting people to have the ability to interact
[33:24] Speaker 2: with non-human entities, with whatever you want to call them,
[33:27] Speaker 2: demons or spirits. That was all part of the program
[33:32] Speaker 2: as well. So it went from dark neuroscience to establishing
[33:36] Speaker 2: UFO narratives to grooming celebrities and politicians and also the
[33:42] Speaker 2: weird occult, magical, crazy stuff. Yes.
[33:46] Speaker 1: Muses, voices, downloads, all the above, you know? And it's like,
[33:51] Speaker 1: you and me are both musicians, right? So there's times
[33:54] Speaker 1: where I can just pick up a guitar or a
[33:56] Speaker 1: bass guitar or whatever. And then I'm just kind of
[33:58] Speaker 1: noodling along. And then you're like, Oh, whoa, shit. What
[34:01] Speaker 1: did I just do? That was fucking cool. You know?
[34:03] Speaker 1: And you just like, you do it again. You're like,
[34:05] Speaker 1: that's a cool rip. I didn't even mean to do that.
[34:07] Speaker 1: You know? And you're like, you know, we're not saying
[34:10] Speaker 1: just in the simplistic form, you know, people talk about
[34:12] Speaker 1: like downloads where they just all of a sudden can
[34:14] Speaker 1: write a book. I don't know. I'm not saying that's
[34:16] Speaker 1: the same equivalent, but there's times where people like can
[34:19] Speaker 1: just tap into different things.
[34:20] Speaker 2: Right.
[34:21] Speaker 1: But then there's other times where do they have the
[34:24] Speaker 1: technology to do that to you? Meaning, you know, if
[34:27] Speaker 1: they've groomed you, obviously they can, they can tap into
[34:30] Speaker 1: your brain and some kind of subliminal things or things
[34:32] Speaker 1: like that. And so, you know, I'm curious as we're
[34:35] Speaker 1: talking about like abductions and stuff like that. And then
[34:38] Speaker 1: also it's like false flag abductions. Where do you stand
[34:41] Speaker 1: on Travis Walton? Because we all saw the Hollywood movie
[34:45] Speaker 1: in the nineties. You and me are close in same age, um, of, uh,
[34:49] Speaker 1: fire in the sky. And then, you know, obviously there's
[34:51] Speaker 1: Hollywood dramatization of that and everything, but in a weird way,
[34:56] Speaker 1: his story is kind of crazier than the movie, in
[34:59] Speaker 1: my opinion.
[35:00] Speaker 2: Um, This is where I get frustrated with the whole
[35:04] Speaker 2: UFO extraterrestrial narrative, because I think there is a genuine
[35:09] Speaker 2: phenomena that's not linked to our military, that's not linked
[35:12] Speaker 2: to MKUltra, that people experience some extremely high strangeness, things
[35:17] Speaker 2: that cannot be explained. And I consider several theories behind
[35:23] Speaker 2: real abduction or contact experiences, people being taken from their homes,
[35:28] Speaker 2: levitated through a wall, put on a ship real aliens
[35:33] Speaker 2: are you know working on them they have mantis beings
[35:36] Speaker 2: and all these non-human beings and i think that may
[35:41] Speaker 2: occur outside of a military abduction space but what i
[35:47] Speaker 2: see happening is it is extremely similar and there's a
[35:51] Speaker 2: lot of crossover with people's sleep paralysis and out-of-body experiences
[35:55] Speaker 2: also near-death experiences dream states I think there's an overlap
[36:01] Speaker 2: between all of these things, and what could be occurring
[36:04] Speaker 2: is these people are having out-of-body experiences, astral experiences, where
[36:09] Speaker 2: they are reaching another layer of reality where these intelligences realm.
[36:13] Speaker 2: These intelligences can reside, and the intelligences may be able
[36:19] Speaker 2: to manipulate that reality and.
[36:21] Speaker 1: Appear as whatever they want to in that reality.
[36:22] Speaker 2: The metaphysical. Because the UFO narrative has been planted in
[36:29] Speaker 2: the human consciousness, I believe this is also the human
[36:32] Speaker 2: imaginal realm where egregores and our thoughts can take on
[36:36] Speaker 2: lives of their own. So if you combine that with
[36:40] Speaker 2: the intelligences that may reside there already and they're taking
[36:43] Speaker 2: advantage of our imagination and things that have been planted
[36:47] Speaker 2: in the human psyche, well, aliens started to get planted
[36:50] Speaker 2: in there. Let's take advantage of that. Now we're aliens
[36:53] Speaker 2: and we're going to mess with people's minds as aliens.
[36:56] Speaker 2: And it could be just this proto-intelligence that has always
[37:00] Speaker 2: been there that knows how to manipulate us, knows how
[37:03] Speaker 2: to appear as different things. And some people would call
[37:06] Speaker 2: them demons. I think that's an oversimplification. I think these
[37:10] Speaker 2: beings have different agendas. Some may have more better interest
[37:16] Speaker 2: in humans than others, meaning that they may not be
[37:19] Speaker 2: as malevolent as others, but– I do believe they're all
[37:22] Speaker 2: tricksters in some way, and they all have the ability
[37:26] Speaker 2: to mess with us, and that is what is happening
[37:28] Speaker 2: with many people's abductions and spiritual experiences. That's just my theory.
[37:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like, almost like snakes. There's different types
[37:36] Speaker 1: of snakes, right? But everybody kind of has this weird
[37:38] Speaker 1: fear of snakes, and it's like, okay, if I see
[37:41] Speaker 1: a cottonmouth or something like that, then I'm going to know,
[37:44] Speaker 1: this is going to be an aggressive son of a bitch,
[37:45] Speaker 1: so I'm just going to either stay away from him,
[37:48] Speaker 1: or if he tries to attack me, I'm going to
[37:49] Speaker 1: shoot him. But then if you see a King snake,
[37:52] Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well this guy is going to maybe
[37:55] Speaker 1: do some snake shit if he needs to do some
[37:57] Speaker 1: snake shit. But as long as I'm cool and he's cool,
[38:00] Speaker 1: he's cool.
[38:01] Speaker 2: You know?
[38:01] Speaker 1: So it's, it's this weird thing of like the idea
[38:04] Speaker 1: of every idea of ain't aliens now is demons because
[38:08] Speaker 1: now you get JD Vance putting it out in the zeitgeist.
[38:11] Speaker 1: And it's like, they're trying to add this new biblical context.
[38:15] Speaker 1: Like you were alluding to earlier about this whole, self-fulfilling
[38:18] Speaker 1: prophecy with Israel and everything. We're all alignment with Israel,
[38:23] Speaker 1: not just as homies and allies, but now like literally legally,
[38:28] Speaker 1: you know, whatever the new bill was, that was a
[38:30] Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago with, uh, aligned us with their
[38:33] Speaker 1: military forces. There's just, there's too many things going on
[38:36] Speaker 1: that are almost, they're almost so obvious and obnoxious, but
[38:41] Speaker 1: there's still a lot of people that are just like
[38:43] Speaker 1: in this hypnosis, like a psychosis or something. But, I
[38:47] Speaker 1: don't know, man. I think with aliens, back to that,
[38:51] Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of stuff that's unexplainable. I
[38:53] Speaker 1: think there's probably stuff from here, physical, but you brought
[38:57] Speaker 1: up a great point of the idea of what our
[39:00] Speaker 1: brain is. Meaning, Thomas, Paranoid American, he's been on here
[39:05] Speaker 1: multiple times. I like his analysis where I think what
[39:08] Speaker 1: they're going to do with aliens is whatever kind of
[39:10] Speaker 1: spirituality or thing you focus on, that's what they're going
[39:14] Speaker 1: to run with on it. Meaning, If you're a Hindu,
[39:17] Speaker 1: it might be some god coming down for you. If
[39:19] Speaker 1: you're a Christian, it might be a demon. If you're
[39:21] Speaker 1: some technocrat, it's going to be, I don't know, Terminator
[39:25] Speaker 1: coming to save you or some shit. I don't know,
[39:27] Speaker 1: but you get what I'm saying?
[39:28] Speaker 2: Well, they're implanting the types right now.
[39:30] Speaker 1: Yes, the archetypes.
[39:32] Speaker 2: Well, our government is admitting and members of whistleblowers and
[39:38] Speaker 2: certain people are coming forward and saying that we have
[39:42] Speaker 2: non-human biologics, quote unquote, in captivity, that we have these
[39:47] Speaker 2: alien bodies that On top of that, they're claiming that
[39:50] Speaker 2: there's three or four known species, the reptilian, the mantid,
[39:56] Speaker 2: the gray. So they've already started laying the framework for
[40:00] Speaker 2: what we're going to be interacting with because that's coming
[40:03] Speaker 2: from somewhat official sources, right?
[40:06] Speaker 1: Right. And that's the scary part about it is that
[40:11] Speaker 1: how many damn times do we need to be lied to?
[40:14] Speaker 1: It's like, I'm wearing my, you know, Tripoli nasty shirt
[40:18] Speaker 1: for the NASA logo. You know, it's like space, fake
[40:20] Speaker 1: and gay or whatever, whatever it is. But at the
[40:23] Speaker 1: end of the day, we're lied to about COVID. We're
[40:25] Speaker 1: lied to about JFK. We're lied to about 9-11. We're
[40:28] Speaker 1: lied to about Democrats and Republicans and this, that, other
[40:31] Speaker 1: psyop and whatever situation happens. We're lied to about all
[40:34] Speaker 1: of history. But the one time the government tells you
[40:37] Speaker 1: the truth is about space, which is NASA. And you're like,
[40:41] Speaker 1: are you that, like, Do you love Buzz Lightyear that
[40:44] Speaker 1: fucking much that, like, you're in kid world where... And
[40:47] Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I was super into space,
[40:50] Speaker 1: and I'm still interested in the idea of it, but
[40:52] Speaker 1: I think the space is different than what we're told.
[40:54] Speaker 1: But if we don't believe regular narratives anymore, why do
[40:58] Speaker 1: we still believe that narrative, is my point.
[41:00] Speaker 2: Right. There's also another weird connection emerging, and I couldn't
[41:06] Speaker 2: tell you 100% if it's connected with a nefarious agenda
[41:11] Speaker 2: or part of the... emerging state of consciousness that humans
[41:16] Speaker 2: are at. The psychedelic emergence, the popularization and reemergence of
[41:22] Speaker 2: different psychedelics. There's some really promising studies with people with Alzheimer's, seniors.
[41:29] Speaker 2: There's some great benefits that are going on. I've had
[41:31] Speaker 2: amazing benefits with psychedelics. I've had incredible experiences. There's also
[41:36] Speaker 2: the DMTX experiments. Which connect with extraterrestrials because people are
[41:45] Speaker 2: being put in these extended states with the IV drip DMT.
[41:49] Speaker 2: And they're coming into contact with mantis beings and greys
[41:53] Speaker 2: and extraterrestrials. And even more interestingly, they're being kicked out
[41:58] Speaker 2: sometimes of the DMT realm and not allowed back in.
[42:02] Speaker 2: Meaning they're not even high on DMT anymore and it's
[42:06] Speaker 2: impossible for them to get high on DMT for an
[42:10] Speaker 2: extended period of time sometimes. But they're coming into contact
[42:14] Speaker 2: with these beings. Now these beings overlap with everything that
[42:17] Speaker 2: we have been talking about. I've had experiences with what
[42:21] Speaker 2: seems to be non-human beings during some profound psychedelic experiences.
[42:28] Speaker 2: So This is emerging right now, the new popularization, and
[42:35] Speaker 2: people have experiences with non-human beings. Is it either the
[42:43] Speaker 2: kind of connection or merging of the non-physical realm with
[42:49] Speaker 2: our realm in a way that is kind of bridging
[42:53] Speaker 2: the gap with psychedelics, like, say, magic mushrooms? It is
[42:58] Speaker 2: a natural way of reawakening our spiritual senses, getting us
[43:03] Speaker 2: reconnected with the other side, because it's inevitable that we're
[43:08] Speaker 2: going to eventually make contact with something again. So it's
[43:13] Speaker 2: the natural way of reintroducing itself to us. Or is
[43:17] Speaker 2: it the deep state trying to make synthetic psychedelics and
[43:22] Speaker 2: synthesize this and turn it into something that is extremely
[43:27] Speaker 2: negative for us and use them against us in some way?
[43:31] Speaker 2: I think the answer is both, really, I think. Both
[43:36] Speaker 2: are most likely could be happening at the same time.
[43:41] Speaker 1: Well, and then, okay, my schizo brain's jumping into, like, okay,
[43:45] Speaker 1: what if they allow us to do these things to
[43:49] Speaker 1: let our consciousness expand to whatever realms they want us to,
[43:54] Speaker 1: even though they hate us and they want to kill
[43:56] Speaker 1: us and they eat our babies, right? But they're using
[43:59] Speaker 1: and they're farming us and they're jacking our loosh and
[44:02] Speaker 1: we're Neo and the Matrix. We're batteries, right? So they're
[44:05] Speaker 1: using our energy in this situation to... allow us to
[44:10] Speaker 1: open our mind with psychedelics in this hypothetical, right? But
[44:14] Speaker 1: then what if that goes back to your point earlier
[44:17] Speaker 1: about the data centers and then kind of the mirror
[44:20] Speaker 1: self of you in a way, what if they're harnessing
[44:23] Speaker 1: that energy of your thoughts and you don't even know it,
[44:26] Speaker 1: you're we're scared about neural link and everything else. Meanwhile,
[44:29] Speaker 1: how many times do you think about something and it
[44:31] Speaker 1: fucking pops up on your algorithm? What if your algorithm
[44:34] Speaker 1: already knows your thoughts and, And it's using them against you,
[44:38] Speaker 1: so you open your thoughts, and then it's almost feeding
[44:41] Speaker 1: this machine even more. That's my schizo rant. But, dude, hypothetically,
[44:46] Speaker 1: that would be fucking terrifying.
[44:48] Speaker 2: I forget who the guest was a while back, speculated
[44:52] Speaker 2: that if a person is having a psychedelic experience, no
[44:55] Speaker 2: matter what the substance is, that they are not only
[45:01] Speaker 2: emitting a frequency, but they're receiving one. And if... The
[45:08] Speaker 2: dark side, the military industrial CIA, these shadowy factions have
[45:14] Speaker 2: the ability to influence frequencies, to influence our thoughts through
[45:19] Speaker 2: these frequencies, to hijack them in a sense. Who's to
[45:23] Speaker 2: say that they aren't able to know when someone's having
[45:28] Speaker 2: that experience and hijack that experience and guide them to
[45:33] Speaker 2: have certain things happen? Profound things within that experience that
[45:39] Speaker 2: then change their trajectory in life. It's a wild thing,
[45:43] Speaker 2: but it's completely possible with everything else I know. You've
[45:47] Speaker 2: heard about the Camellio story?
[45:50] Speaker 1: Possibly. That sounds familiar. Enlighten me and the listeners.
[45:54] Speaker 2: Robert Guffey, a great author, wrote this book called Camellio,
[45:58] Speaker 2: and it's about his personal experiences with this guy. I
[46:03] Speaker 2: think it was the early 2000s. We'll call him Larry
[46:07] Speaker 2: because I don't remember the guy's name, but Larry is
[46:11] Speaker 2: like a loser heroin addict, and he is at a
[46:16] Speaker 2: party one night. There's a bunch of people there, and
[46:19] Speaker 2: he comes in a room, and there's this guy in
[46:25] Speaker 2: army fatigues, and he's holding these technological weird goggles, and
[46:29] Speaker 2: he's passing them around. So he passes them to Larry
[46:33] Speaker 2: and Larry's like, you know, kind of stoned. He's like, whatever, man.
[46:36] Speaker 2: And he just passes them back. Didn't think about it anymore.
[46:40] Speaker 2: The next day, these men in black are knocking on
[46:43] Speaker 2: Larry's door. And he's like, what's.
[46:45] Speaker 1: Up, man?
[46:46] Speaker 2: And he's like, they said, just give us back the
[46:49] Speaker 2: goggles and we'll leave you alone. There will be no
[46:53] Speaker 2: more consequences. And he's like, what? What goggles? I didn't
[46:56] Speaker 2: ever have the goggles. You know, this other guy had them.
[46:59] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
[47:00] Speaker 2: Next thing he knows over the next few days, he's
[47:04] Speaker 2: being gang stalked. He's being harassed. He's getting these strange
[47:07] Speaker 2: phone calls. People are following him. So apparently this faction,
[47:14] Speaker 2: whatever the shadowy military faction is, decided to use Larry
[47:19] Speaker 2: as an experiment for their new upcoming exotic technology. So
[47:24] Speaker 2: what started happening is he started having these weird UFO
[47:28] Speaker 2: drones fly over his house and he'd start having abduction experiences.
[47:33] Speaker 2: He'd be drugged in the middle of the night and
[47:35] Speaker 2: be taken to different locations and different things would happen
[47:38] Speaker 2: to him. He'd have people break into his house. At
[47:42] Speaker 2: one point, they sent these literal little people, midgets, into
[47:47] Speaker 2: his house wearing invisibility cloaks and they would move stuff
[47:51] Speaker 2: around so he thought he'd have poltergeist. That's how wild
[47:55] Speaker 2: the harassment got with this guy, but they were using
[47:58] Speaker 2: exotic technology beaming thoughts into his mind he would look
[48:02] Speaker 2: out his window and he'd see this planetary like landscape
[48:07] Speaker 2: different than he's ever seen he'd go outside and look
[48:09] Speaker 2: and it'd just be his normal you know outside front yard.
[48:13] Speaker 1: Now that's commonplace to make drone artwork in the sky
[48:17] Speaker 1: oh yeah.
[48:17] Speaker 2: It's so crazy was most likely an early experiment for
[48:21] Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that we may even see
[48:24] Speaker 2: implemented even more into our society and it's not like
[48:28] Speaker 2: it's being used in warfare against our enemies abroad. They're
[48:33] Speaker 2: using that shit on us.
[48:35] Speaker 1: That's the scariest part. And it's almost like, you know,
[48:38] Speaker 1: not to sound like a bitch, but it's like, why? Like,
[48:41] Speaker 1: what the fuck did we do, man? Like, we built
[48:43] Speaker 1: this country.
[48:44] Speaker 2: Like, we pay our taxes.
[48:45] Speaker 1: We, you know, we don't, most of us don't kill
[48:48] Speaker 1: our kids. You know, we go to work. We do everything.
[48:51] Speaker 1: You know, believe in the Texas. They build the roads
[48:54] Speaker 1: and this and that. Whatever. We do our part. Why
[48:58] Speaker 1: are we being just used like guinea pigs, like our government?
[49:02] Speaker 1: I mean, like we can go for story after story
[49:05] Speaker 1: on Tuskegee experiments or even the COVID thing or whatever.
[49:10] Speaker 2: It's like that's why most people speculate.
[49:12] Speaker 1: That he was using his people as the frickin guinea
[49:15] Speaker 1: pig in an old speech, you know, like for COVID vaccines.
[49:18] Speaker 1: It's like do people. not realize at this point, you know,
[49:22] Speaker 1: these people that are humanitarians, they're using us as guys
[49:25] Speaker 1: to just freely experiment on us.
[49:28] Speaker 2: That's why it's so easy for us to look at
[49:31] Speaker 2: the ruling class and believe that they are possibly not humans,
[49:35] Speaker 2: that they're reptilians. It's very difficult to... to understand that
[49:41] Speaker 2: kind of behavior if you're not a complete psychopath. But
[49:45] Speaker 2: what happens is this is multi-generational psychopath creation. Going back
[49:50] Speaker 2: to MKUltra, these very wealthy and powerful families, they put
[49:54] Speaker 2: these kids, their own kids, into these programs from a
[49:58] Speaker 2: very young age and they groom them. They groom them
[50:02] Speaker 2: to be psychopaths so that they can carry the torch
[50:05] Speaker 2: of whatever corporation....
[50:09] Speaker 1: Secret society.
[50:10] Speaker 2: Secret society, whatever that they're involved with. And they guaranteed
[50:16] Speaker 2: to carry on that power in psychopathy throughout the generations.
[50:21] Speaker 2: So it's just multi-generational breeding to ensure that that's what
[50:26] Speaker 2: we're dealing with. And they're on a whole different level.
[50:29] Speaker 2: We're seen as cattle. We're seen as just fodder. Golems.
[50:36] Speaker 1: We're the goy boys. Yeah.
[50:39] Speaker 2: So, you know, it's difficult to understand that kind of
[50:45] Speaker 2: mentality because we'll never be in that space. We'll never
[50:47] Speaker 2: be in that club. And, you know, most people will
[50:52] Speaker 2: never have that psychotic streak. So it's difficult to understand
[50:57] Speaker 2: what they really think about us.
[50:59] Speaker 1: Well, I was saying even in the beginning, you know,
[51:01] Speaker 1: it's like I'm glad– it's like you kind of said
[51:04] Speaker 1: it just now too like we'll never be in that
[51:06] Speaker 1: club but i'm glad we're not in that club you
[51:09] Speaker 1: know like i said walking around walking around my land
[51:12] Speaker 1: today like i wasn't i mean i was taking pinches
[51:16] Speaker 1: with my dugout but i'm fucking walking around with a
[51:18] Speaker 1: pistol in my back pocket my boots on and i'm
[51:21] Speaker 1: trucking through and we're fucking brush hogging and shit and
[51:23] Speaker 1: i'm like this is it man like this is this
[51:26] Speaker 1: is it you get away from everything you get away
[51:28] Speaker 1: from all the Maybe it was my high psychosis of
[51:32] Speaker 1: smoking weed, but I'm joking. But I'm saying that that's
[51:35] Speaker 1: a good psychosis to be in a bit of a
[51:37] Speaker 1: way to just be the freeing and hear the birds
[51:40] Speaker 1: and the bullshit. But it's weird that like we are
[51:44] Speaker 1: not in that same realm of even thought process of
[51:48] Speaker 1: these leaders. These, you know, it's like the little things
[51:51] Speaker 1: are cool to most goyim where it's like, oh, go
[51:53] Speaker 1: get your Starbucks cappuccino. And if that's what makes you happy,
[51:56] Speaker 1: that's what makes you happy. Fine. Okay. You know, me
[51:59] Speaker 1: trucking around stoned in the woods this morning. That's what
[52:02] Speaker 1: made me happy.
[52:02] Speaker 2: Right.
[52:03] Speaker 1: But they can't take your happiness completely away. As long
[52:07] Speaker 1: as you still kind of hold onto it and know
[52:08] Speaker 1: it's still there. And that's what the sad part is,
[52:11] Speaker 1: is it's like getting to where they're, they're diminishing it.
[52:15] Speaker 1: Like it almost like a video game where your health bars,
[52:19] Speaker 1: you went on farther levels into the game as you
[52:21] Speaker 1: progressed more. like Metal Gear Solid or something, your health
[52:25] Speaker 1: bar increases throughout the game. They're almost like sucking our
[52:29] Speaker 1: energy and our love away every progression. You get what
[52:34] Speaker 1: I'm saying?
[52:35] Speaker 2: They live almost in a completely different reality in a
[52:40] Speaker 2: sense that they're not even breathing the same air we are.
[52:44] Speaker 2: They're not taking the same flights. They're not using the
[52:47] Speaker 2: same transportation. They're not going get a burger on the corner.
[52:51] Speaker 2: They're not going to even to the same fanciest restaurant
[52:54] Speaker 2: that you could ever imagine. They're getting private flights. They
[52:58] Speaker 2: have their private chefs. They're going to private locations so
[53:01] Speaker 2: that they don't have to see the useless eaters. They
[53:05] Speaker 2: live in a completely different reality where they don't even
[53:09] Speaker 2: have to interact with us. They don't have to ingest
[53:12] Speaker 2: the same things that we are, the same poisons, the
[53:16] Speaker 2: same influences. They have their own complete bubble and they
[53:22] Speaker 2: see us as like insects compared to what they have
[53:27] Speaker 2: the ability and what they have access to.
[53:30] Speaker 1: It is, it's gross and it's, it's perverse in a
[53:33] Speaker 1: way because you're right. It's like back to Tripoli talks
[53:36] Speaker 1: about protected classes all the time and stuff, you know,
[53:38] Speaker 1: like no more protected classes. They live in this gated community,
[53:42] Speaker 1: whether a real gate or, you know, mental gate of
[53:48] Speaker 1: what is real and what is reality. And it's sad
[53:51] Speaker 1: and it really is sick because most of those ones
[53:54] Speaker 1: are the ones that make the decisions for us. They
[53:56] Speaker 1: don't even live in the same world or realm that
[53:58] Speaker 1: we live in. And we have to live up to
[54:02] Speaker 1: their thoughts and their bills and everything else they sign
[54:05] Speaker 1: for us. And then once in a while we get
[54:08] Speaker 1: a little bit of a hope where it seems like Hey,
[54:11] Speaker 1: Thomas Massey's saying all the right things, kind of like
[54:13] Speaker 1: Ron Paul did. And then they're like, no, fuck you.
[54:16] Speaker 1: We're going to kneecap your ass and you're out of Congress.
[54:18] Speaker 1: You know, it's like, bro, like it's, it's like the, the,
[54:23] Speaker 1: I think the, the wizard of Oz, I almost always
[54:26] Speaker 1: end with a lot of wizard of Oz references, but it's,
[54:30] Speaker 1: you know, I, I make it a little more crude,
[54:31] Speaker 1: but let's just say, You know, Toto the dog pulls
[54:34] Speaker 1: back the curtain and the big badass military government or,
[54:39] Speaker 1: you know, American government that we think it is, is
[54:41] Speaker 1: just ran by what is not even Trump. Whatever guy
[54:45] Speaker 1: is in office is the little midget putting on the
[54:48] Speaker 1: big projection, you know, and, and, and we're realizing it's
[54:52] Speaker 1: all faking gay and it's getting to almost, this is
[54:55] Speaker 1: the black pill part. almost a critical mass because yes,
[54:59] Speaker 1: when everybody realizes it's fake and bullshit, like the ones
[55:03] Speaker 1: that actually stand for us are just getting thrown millions
[55:06] Speaker 1: and millions of dollars at them by fucking Israel money
[55:08] Speaker 1: and everything. Anytime somebody brings up dual citizenship, you get
[55:12] Speaker 1: thrown at, Oh, anti-Semitism or this and that. Like, but
[55:17] Speaker 1: you can be dual citizenship with Israel or I mean, uh,
[55:20] Speaker 1: Italy or any other country. And that's not a problem.
[55:23] Speaker 1: But my point is, is like, We are realizing too
[55:26] Speaker 1: much right now, whether for good or bad, in a way.
[55:30] Speaker 1: It's kind of going to be like a critical mass moment.
[55:34] Speaker 1: I hope it's a moment of love in this whole rant,
[55:37] Speaker 1: but fuck. I don't know. It could be catastrophic.
[55:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, man. We're at a crossroads. We've got to stop
[55:44] Speaker 2: feeding the beast. We've got to choose what we're going
[55:49] Speaker 2: to interact with, what we're going to give our energy
[55:52] Speaker 2: and attention to. And it's not going to be easy.
[55:55] Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of sacrifices that a
[55:57] Speaker 2: lot of people have to make if we would ever
[56:01] Speaker 2: want any significant changes to happen. But knowing that most
[56:05] Speaker 2: people will never make those steps, you just got to
[56:08] Speaker 2: take those steps on your own, do the best you
[56:10] Speaker 2: can in your own little lives and take care of
[56:13] Speaker 2: your family and be the best little person that you
[56:17] Speaker 2: could be. and try and just check out of the
[56:20] Speaker 2: nonsense as much as possible. Don't interact with things that
[56:24] Speaker 2: aren't benefiting you. And really don't worry about what everybody
[56:27] Speaker 2: else is doing. Cause right now that really doesn't matter anyway. Man.
[56:34] Speaker 1: I think that's perfect. You know, because no, I mean,
[56:37] Speaker 1: really it is, it is perfect because it, whether you
[56:40] Speaker 1: want to get into the woo woo or not, our energy,
[56:43] Speaker 1: it's like, wherever you put it is what you're going
[56:45] Speaker 1: to get kind of thing. So if you in, Hyper invest.
[56:48] Speaker 1: Next thing you know, you're out there wearing the pink
[56:50] Speaker 1: pussy hat screaming, I stand with Lindsay. Meanwhile, this lady's
[56:55] Speaker 1: sitting on the stand. I killed my three kids. It's like,
[56:58] Speaker 1: whether the psychosis or not, you're defending the fact that, well,
[57:01] Speaker 1: she was under stress and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[57:04] Speaker 1: My point is this. Where you direct your energy, turn
[57:08] Speaker 1: off fucking TikTok. Definitely turn off TikTok. I still have
[57:11] Speaker 1: a TikTok account, but I never use it. But turn
[57:14] Speaker 1: it off, man. Turn all... X is another one that
[57:18] Speaker 1: I never get on because it's toxic, dude. I'll jump
[57:21] Speaker 1: on there once a month and I'm like, maybe I
[57:23] Speaker 1: should start posting more shit on X. And I'm like,
[57:25] Speaker 1: five minutes in, I'm like, that's enough for me. I'm
[57:28] Speaker 1: done with this. But we need to direct our energy
[57:32] Speaker 1: into better places. And if that means focusing on ourselves,
[57:35] Speaker 1: which should be the number one, don't worry about your
[57:37] Speaker 1: neighbor if you can't take care of your own household first, right?
[57:40] Speaker 1: But man, Chris, this was a great episode because you're
[57:43] Speaker 1: very open-minded. I love listening to your show. I love
[57:47] Speaker 1: everything you do for everybody that you do work with
[57:49] Speaker 1: as well with the forbidden knowledge network, which is awesome.
[57:52] Speaker 1: Like you got your own kind of umbrella corporation, not,
[57:56] Speaker 1: not a shady one. But man, I love, I love
[58:00] Speaker 1: talking to you. I love listening to you. Um, we'll
[58:02] Speaker 1: do this again for sure. Remind everybody where they can
[58:04] Speaker 1: find you and everything you got going on. And when
[58:07] Speaker 1: your new documentary is coming out.
[58:09] Speaker 2: Yes, sir. Thank you again. This was such a fun discussion.
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[58:59] Speaker 2: Film number three should hopefully be available by October or
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[59:08] Speaker 2: advertising if you'd like to help with that, I will
[59:11] Speaker 2: send Derek a link. If he could put that down
[59:14] Speaker 2: in the description, that would be amazing.
[59:16] Speaker 1: You guys can message me all links. I'll put everything
[59:18] Speaker 1: you want on there.
[59:19] Speaker 2: Perfect. And that is it, Derek. Thank you so much, man.
[59:23] Speaker 2: Looking forward to next time.
[59:24] Speaker 1: Like I said, love listening to you, love talking to you,
[59:26] Speaker 1: love picking your mind. I'm a little jump all over
[59:29] Speaker 1: the place kind of guy, and I'm glad you can
[59:30] Speaker 1: keep up with it. And you're experienced enough to kind
[59:33] Speaker 1: of handle these conversations. So anyways, man, I'd love to
[59:37] Speaker 1: one day let's fucking meet up and trip some mushrooms
[59:40] Speaker 1: together or something.
[59:41] Speaker 2: Have a good old time.
[59:43] Speaker 1: Let's open our own doors of perception, brother. Well, hey, Deadheads,
[59:46] Speaker 1: Chris Matthew, check him out on everything in the show notes.
[59:49] Speaker 1: And he's awesome. Love talking to him. And I'll see
[59:52] Speaker 1: you guys next time. Peace out. Bye-bye. Let me hit
[59:55] Speaker 1: this stupid button.
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[1:01:08] Speaker 2: including gummies, oils, and even face creams. You'll get 10%
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: off the entire order by using the link or code
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: FORBIDDEN10 at checkout.

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