# Jonathon Meyers | Historical Superhumans on Earth, Unlocking Siddhis & PSI Abilities

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 10 Aug 2026, 1 h 10 min.

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## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:04] Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
[0:08] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:10] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:14] Speaker 1: your host Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Jonathan Myers.
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[0:41] Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Jonathan Myers.
[0:43] Speaker 1: He is a hypnotherapist, researcher and co host of Metamistics podcast. Jonathan,
[0:50] Speaker 1: Welcome back. How you doing?
[0:52] Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm awesome.
[0:53] Speaker 1: You know.
[0:54] Speaker 3: It's a great job that we have that we basically
[0:58] Speaker 3: get to just sit home and research our favorite topics
[1:01] Speaker 3: on a daily basis. I feel like this is probably
[1:05] Speaker 3: what like human life was meant.
[1:07] Speaker 2: To be about.
[1:08] Speaker 3: I mean outside of just survival, you know, like getting
[1:11] Speaker 3: all your food and finding good sheltered and taking care
[1:13] Speaker 3: of your young ones and stuff like that. I think
[1:16] Speaker 3: that we were ultimately put here to like discover.
[1:20] Speaker 2: Our our true nate, our true nature, and like reality's
[1:24] Speaker 2: true nature.
[1:25] Speaker 3: And I tell you what, dude, I mean, it's it's
[1:29] Speaker 3: a long way to get there, you know, like because
[1:32] Speaker 3: you have to like unravel so many different layers of
[1:35] Speaker 3: the onion in order to finally get to the truth.
[1:38] Speaker 3: And somebody has one truth and another person has another truth,
[1:41] Speaker 3: and you should.
[1:42] Speaker 2: Believe this or no, you should believe that.
[1:44] Speaker 3: And everybody's constantly trying to convince you of what they believe. Uh,
[1:48] Speaker 3: and not even necessarily because they believe it, but because it.
[1:53] Speaker 3: To me, it almost feels like they need your belief
[1:57] Speaker 3: so that they can believe deeper.
[2:00] Speaker 2: Feel that way all.
[2:02] Speaker 1: The time, man, one hundred percent, and I would agree.
[2:05] Speaker 1: We are extremely blessed to be able to do this
[2:09] Speaker 1: every day, being able to get so many perspectives on
[2:12] Speaker 1: the nature of reality, being able to put these puzzle
[2:16] Speaker 1: pieces together and try and get a better understanding of
[2:21] Speaker 1: what lies beyond normal material existence and beyond normal perception.
[2:28] Speaker 1: Today we're going to delve into that a bit. You've
[2:31] Speaker 1: been looking at human potential, the abilities that we may
[2:37] Speaker 1: have the full potential of human consciousness and beyond. I'm
[2:42] Speaker 1: all about this before we do remind the audience how
[2:45] Speaker 1: they can find more of you.
[2:48] Speaker 3: So my podcast is the Metamistics Podcast. You'll be able
[2:51] Speaker 3: to find it on all your pod players and all
[2:53] Speaker 3: social medias. And we cover just about everything spiritual, psychological, witchy, pagany,
[3:04] Speaker 3: you know, whatever.
[3:06] Speaker 2: I mean, it's really all over the board. We we cover.
[3:09] Speaker 3: Near death experiences and I recently have gone over a
[3:14] Speaker 3: series of of books by Helena Blovotsky. I I'm a
[3:20] Speaker 3: big lover of like Rosicrucianism. I I myself am actually
[3:25] Speaker 3: a rose Recrusion.
[3:27] Speaker 2: And very.
[3:31] Speaker 3: Very very early in my in my understanding and the
[3:36] Speaker 3: schooling and the philosophies and the teachings.
[3:39] Speaker 2: Go a long long way.
[3:41] Speaker 3: And really what I found is is that, you know,
[3:44] Speaker 3: learning and exploring and researching all of these things is
[3:50] Speaker 3: not so much teaching you anything new. The only thing
[3:53] Speaker 3: that's really teaching you is how to unlearn certain things
[3:57] Speaker 3: that you've been mk ultraed into believing like that's the true, Like,
[4:03] Speaker 3: that's the truth about it all is that we've been
[4:07] Speaker 3: we've been hypnotized into believing that we are you know,
[4:11] Speaker 3: meat suits, and you know that we're not immortal, and
[4:14] Speaker 3: that you know, if we want access to any kind
[4:17] Speaker 3: of immortality, then we should bow down and believe in
[4:20] Speaker 3: something that is greater than us. And that philosophy is
[4:24] Speaker 3: never it's never rung true to me, you know. And
[4:27] Speaker 3: maybe it's because of our upbringing. You know, are you
[4:30] Speaker 3: an eighties kid or a nineties kid.
[4:31] Speaker 1: I'm an eighties kid. What you're saying it rings extremely true.
[4:36] Speaker 1: From childhood, We've been programmed to think a certain way.
[4:41] Speaker 1: And I've always said in recent years that if we
[4:45] Speaker 1: were taught some of these more metaphysical, esoteric understandings from
[4:50] Speaker 1: an extremely early age, the world would most likely be
[4:55] Speaker 1: a much better place. If we focused on these spiritual
[4:59] Speaker 1: aspects of reality, and the things that our mainstream education
[5:05] Speaker 1: system would shun and say doesn't even exist, would probably
[5:09] Speaker 1: give us a better upper hand at living harmoniously in
[5:14] Speaker 1: this reality.
[5:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:16] Speaker 3: Well, I ultimately believe that that is what people talk
[5:19] Speaker 3: about whenever they talk about the Age of Aquarius or
[5:22] Speaker 3: they talk about a new Earth or or you know,
[5:25] Speaker 3: we're going into the fifth dimension or whatever. I think
[5:28] Speaker 3: that these are all basically you know, talking points or
[5:31] Speaker 3: allegories that are pointing to that direction. But the thing
[5:35] Speaker 3: is is that there's a lot of people that are
[5:37] Speaker 3: very you know, young, on their journey, on their spiritual
[5:40] Speaker 3: journey of identifying their true nature in the nature of reality,
[5:44] Speaker 3: and they're still almost wrapped up in the belief that
[5:48] Speaker 3: somebody else is going to bring forth the five D
[5:50] Speaker 3: four them that as long as they believe, then it
[5:54] Speaker 3: will come. And I don't know if it's that simple.
[5:58] Speaker 3: I think I personally believe that there is a there
[6:02] Speaker 3: is something that every person can do to bring about
[6:06] Speaker 3: the nature of that reality. Otherwise you're going to be
[6:10] Speaker 3: stuck in the nature of the reality that everybody else
[6:13] Speaker 3: builds for you. Like I think that that's really what
[6:16] Speaker 3: it is, That it's a personal thing. Look, we were
[6:19] Speaker 3: broad here alone, We're gonna leave alone. There's nobody here
[6:27] Speaker 3: that is going with you or that came with you,
[6:30] Speaker 3: So why not make it a personal journey? Why are
[6:32] Speaker 3: we relying on other people and stuff like that. Now
[6:35] Speaker 3: that being said, that's not to say that we can't
[6:38] Speaker 3: learn from some of the people who have essentially mastered
[6:42] Speaker 3: some of these techniques and some of these ideologies. Like
[6:45] Speaker 3: I think that that is invaluable information whenever you can
[6:48] Speaker 3: put your nose in a book and just stay there
[6:51] Speaker 3: for hours, and I mean envelop yourself into the world
[6:56] Speaker 3: of imagination and you know, basically delete the idea of
[7:03] Speaker 3: impossible or I wish that was the case kind of deal.
[7:08] Speaker 3: I think that we all have the potential, not even that,
[7:11] Speaker 3: I think I know that we all have the potential
[7:14] Speaker 3: to exceed whatever limitations that we put on ourselves in
[7:18] Speaker 3: the beginning. And that is exactly what we're going to
[7:21] Speaker 3: be talking about today. This is actually going to be
[7:24] Speaker 3: part of a book that I am in the beginning
[7:28] Speaker 3: stages of writing. And I've always I've always wanted to
[7:32] Speaker 3: write a book, and I just couldn't figure out which
[7:35] Speaker 3: one I wanted to start with first. Now, most authors
[7:37] Speaker 3: will tell you that the first book is kind of
[7:39] Speaker 3: like that's your training, wills to getting used to it
[7:42] Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But I'm like, dude, I want
[7:45] Speaker 3: to put out a fucking banger, my first episode or
[7:47] Speaker 3: my first book, you know what I mean. Like I
[7:49] Speaker 3: wanted to be memorable and so the idea that I'm
[7:55] Speaker 3: bringing forth today is that Jesus was one of many
[8:01] Speaker 3: And there are documented articles, books, stories across thousands of
[8:10] Speaker 3: years of certain people, call them mahatmas or masters or
[8:17] Speaker 3: enlightened individuals or what have you, and they've all been
[8:22] Speaker 3: able to accomplish seemingly superhuman things. Now, what somebody might
[8:28] Speaker 3: say is, well those are you know, they're just stories
[8:31] Speaker 3: and they're not proven, and a lot of it's not
[8:34] Speaker 3: on video, and to be honest, even if it was
[8:36] Speaker 3: on video with AI, most people still wouldn't believe it anyway.
[8:39] Speaker 2: So I don't know how you would.
[8:40] Speaker 3: Prove any of this to anybody outside of teaching them
[8:48] Speaker 3: how to do it. I think that's the only way.
[8:51] Speaker 3: I think that you can talk about all these stories
[8:53] Speaker 3: until you're blue in the face. But I think that
[8:55] Speaker 3: unless you can figure out certain techniques in order to
[9:02] Speaker 3: be able to speak to your higher self or your
[9:04] Speaker 3: subconscious or your innermost self or whatever you want to
[9:07] Speaker 3: call it, the kingdom within right, something that unlocks there.
[9:11] Speaker 3: There's certain information out there that unlocks something in you
[9:15] Speaker 3: that almost makes you feel like a little kid again,
[9:18] Speaker 3: you know, like and and it's amazing, like I remember
[9:21] Speaker 3: being a little kid in my favorite movies were Hook
[9:24] Speaker 3: or Matilda or Back to the Future, and like all
[9:28] Speaker 3: of these seemed like crazy ideas of things that could
[9:32] Speaker 3: never happen. And now, as like an adult, I'm seeing that,
[9:37] Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe maybe a lot of them actually
[9:39] Speaker 3: are real things. And you look at some of the
[9:43] Speaker 3: people that wrote some of those stories. Matilda, for example,
[9:46] Speaker 3: was written by Roald Dahl. That was not a one
[9:49] Speaker 3: off thing that roll Dahl did. Like roll Dall, he
[9:52] Speaker 3: made this other this other story. Oh, I can't remember
[9:57] Speaker 3: the name of it now, but he made this other
[10:00] Speaker 3: story of basically the man who could see without his eyes.
[10:04] Speaker 3: And we're seeing that today at the twenty twenty six
[10:07] Speaker 3: Side Games, that of people are able to literally be
[10:11] Speaker 3: bandaged and literally they're they're blindfolded six ways to Sunday,
[10:17] Speaker 3: there is no light that could possibly get in there.
[10:20] Speaker 3: And they're able to read cards, they're able to read books,
[10:25] Speaker 3: like they're able to see things in the back of
[10:28] Speaker 3: their head.
[10:29] Speaker 2: It makes no sense.
[10:30] Speaker 3: So I think that we're we're just now getting around
[10:34] Speaker 3: to unlocking mass, unlocking ability to the masses. I think
[10:41] Speaker 3: that that is what's what's going on right now, whereas
[10:44] Speaker 3: you know before, a lot of this used to be heretical.
[10:47] Speaker 3: And this is why there had to be secret societies
[10:50] Speaker 3: in the first place, if you really think about it,
[10:52] Speaker 3: like this is why the witches were you know, burned
[10:56] Speaker 3: at the stake, and why the Gnostics were hunted down,
[11:00] Speaker 3: and the inquisitions and all of this kind of stuff,
[11:03] Speaker 3: because these people were trying to convince the other village
[11:08] Speaker 3: people or the other townspeople that, look, we're all capable
[11:12] Speaker 3: of doing this thing. We're all capable of achieving this
[11:18] Speaker 3: seemingly impossible feat that you're so much more than what
[11:23] Speaker 3: you believe. And that's why I think that the secret
[11:27] Speaker 3: societies were initially created anyway, because they had to be.
[11:30] Speaker 3: They had to go into the dark rooms, they had
[11:33] Speaker 3: to go into the buildings with no windows, they had
[11:35] Speaker 3: to go underground.
[11:36] Speaker 2: They had to make stories.
[11:41] Speaker 3: They had to make stories that were entertaining to the
[11:46] Speaker 3: masses but understood by the few, right, Like this is
[11:50] Speaker 3: what Walt Disney was. Like people think that Walt Disney
[11:53] Speaker 3: was Illuminati confirmed and they had the whole you know,
[11:55] Speaker 3: the thirty three Club and all this kind of stuff.
[11:58] Speaker 2: If you watch all of Disney's.
[12:00] Speaker 3: Movies and you know, you go back and read the
[12:02] Speaker 3: books and all the way back it is sprinkling in
[12:06] Speaker 3: bits of basically enlightenment, and which is sparking your curiosity
[12:12] Speaker 3: and your imagination to wonder if it's real. Which that's
[12:15] Speaker 3: all that requires, is the seed anyway, especially to the
[12:18] Speaker 3: you think about it as a brilliant plan he was
[12:21] Speaker 3: basically he was planting seeds into the into the child,
[12:26] Speaker 3: into the children's minds. And here we are, dude, we're
[12:31] Speaker 3: the result of that seed. Now you know, it's like,
[12:34] Speaker 3: it's it's amazing. So that's really where I want to go.
[12:38] Speaker 3: I want to bring forth the idea that what if
[12:41] Speaker 3: the miracles attributed to Jesus belong to a much larger
[12:45] Speaker 3: tradition of human spiritual capacity and Jesus was an extraordinary
[12:50] Speaker 3: master of them rather than the only person ever capable
[12:55] Speaker 3: of them. So this is where we're gonna start with Jesus.
[13:01] Speaker 3: And uh, here are a list of things that Jesus
[13:05] Speaker 3: was able to do. Right, And and remember Jesus said
[13:08] Speaker 3: that I, of all these things that I can do,
[13:11] Speaker 3: you'll eventually be able to do all of them and more.
[13:14] Speaker 1: Right.
[13:14] Speaker 3: So people think, oh, well, he was just being nice.
[13:18] Speaker 3: He was just being kind.
[13:20] Speaker 1: No, I don't.
[13:21] Speaker 3: I don't think that it was just a kind gesture.
[13:24] Speaker 3: I think that he was, you know, spitting facts back
[13:26] Speaker 3: in the day. Whether Jesus was a real character or not,
[13:29] Speaker 3: it's beside the point, because I know that there's some
[13:31] Speaker 3: people out there that believe maybe Jesus never existed, and
[13:34] Speaker 3: maybe he was part of just a myth, a lot
[13:36] Speaker 3: like Odin or thor or whatever. Right, I don't care.
[13:41] Speaker 3: I personally don't care if he existed or not. I
[13:44] Speaker 3: love the story that followed him.
[13:47] Speaker 1: Right.
[13:47] Speaker 3: It's the same way I don't care if if Buddha existed.
[13:51] Speaker 3: I don't even I honestly can't even care if Helena
[13:55] Speaker 3: Blovotsky existed. It's all about the information that was sent
[14:00] Speaker 3: as a result of these names, whether they're a fiction
[14:04] Speaker 3: or real.
[14:05] Speaker 1: I think it's possible we live in a reality where
[14:08] Speaker 1: human experience repeats itself. Not just history, but this human
[14:14] Speaker 1: story repeats itself multiple times through multiple human incarnations. And
[14:22] Speaker 1: maybe the names in the stories the characters may change
[14:26] Speaker 1: a bit, but the ultimate storyline is the same throughout history,
[14:30] Speaker 1: and maybe it's separated between mass cataclysms are some kind
[14:35] Speaker 1: of event that erases human history and prevents us from
[14:40] Speaker 1: remembering the previous incarnation. But when you step back and
[14:44] Speaker 1: look at all of these theological stories, and not only
[14:48] Speaker 1: religious and theological stories, but many myths throughout history, they
[14:53] Speaker 1: retell this very story and more over and over again,
[14:59] Speaker 1: it seems like we have maybe a repetitive human experience
[15:03] Speaker 1: that's naturally part of this.
[15:06] Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent.
[15:07] Speaker 3: And you know, I can't believe it took me this
[15:10] Speaker 3: long to find this one video. But there's a video that, dude,
[15:15] Speaker 3: it has tens, if not hundreds of millions of views.
[15:19] Speaker 2: That was on YouTube.
[15:20] Speaker 3: It went up there a few years ago, and it
[15:21] Speaker 3: was actually by the guy that created the story The Martian.
[15:26] Speaker 3: Have you ever seen that movie with Matt Damon. So
[15:30] Speaker 3: his name is Andy Weir and he put together like
[15:32] Speaker 3: this eight minute short film and put it up on YouTube,
[15:36] Speaker 3: I think, and it's called The Egg. Have you ever
[15:39] Speaker 3: seen this?
[15:40] Speaker 1: No?
[15:41] Speaker 3: Oh my god, what a beautiful short story representation of
[15:45] Speaker 3: probably what this reality actually is like. It is the
[15:49] Speaker 3: craziest thing. I don't even want to give it away
[15:51] Speaker 3: because I want people to go see it. It's literally
[15:53] Speaker 3: only eight minutes. It'll blow your damn mind. But basically
[15:57] Speaker 3: it's the idea that everybody is is everybody, that the
[16:01] Speaker 3: idea of non duality is the most true nature of
[16:05] Speaker 3: our reality. That you know, Basically, if I was born
[16:10] Speaker 3: into Chris Matthew's body, my life would have still panned
[16:15] Speaker 3: out the same exact way, or your life would have
[16:17] Speaker 3: still panned out the same exact way. I would have
[16:19] Speaker 3: made all the decisions that you made. I would have
[16:21] Speaker 3: made all the fuck ups and all of the great things,
[16:24] Speaker 3: and every single thing that you've ever done in your life.
[16:27] Speaker 3: I would have done them to a t, not because
[16:31] Speaker 3: like I had the script, but because we are the
[16:34] Speaker 3: same thing and we're just given these different circumstances, but
[16:40] Speaker 3: in those same shoes, I would have made those same
[16:42] Speaker 3: decisions because I am everything and so are you, you
[16:48] Speaker 3: know what I mean. So to look at it through
[16:50] Speaker 3: that that lens, it's like, now you can start comparing yourself.
[16:54] Speaker 3: If if Jesus was able to do these things, or
[16:57] Speaker 3: if the Mahatmas were able to do these things, or
[17:00] Speaker 3: if Buddha was able to do these things, that means
[17:03] Speaker 3: that you've been able to accomplish these feats in previous lives. Right, Like,
[17:09] Speaker 3: it's all the same thing, and that's that's where I
[17:13] Speaker 3: really want to tie all of this together.
[17:14] Speaker 2: But first I want to start with UH. With Jesus,
[17:17] Speaker 2: So some of this miracles that he was able to do.
[17:22] Speaker 3: He was able to heal people, heal people through touch,
[17:25] Speaker 3: he was able to heal at a distance.
[17:27] Speaker 2: He was able to know information that he shouldn't know.
[17:31] Speaker 3: He was able to perceive people's thoughts, predict future events,
[17:34] Speaker 3: walk on water, multiply food, transform water into wine, appear
[17:39] Speaker 3: after death, cast out spirits, cause extraordinary catches of fish, uh,
[17:46] Speaker 3: calm a storm, raise the dead, and many others.
[17:50] Speaker 2: Right Like, that's just a short list.
[17:52] Speaker 3: Of some of the of the claims of what Jesus
[17:54] Speaker 3: was able to do. So what I'm gonna say is,
[17:58] Speaker 3: what if Christianity had the story of one highly developed
[18:02] Speaker 3: spiritual adept or mahatma or master or enlightened individual, whatever
[18:07] Speaker 3: term you want to use, while other civilizations preserved stories
[18:11] Speaker 3: of many.
[18:12] Speaker 2: People that were like Jesus.
[18:15] Speaker 3: And the first one I want to bring up is
[18:17] Speaker 3: the story that really sparked it in my mind, and
[18:21] Speaker 3: I've talked about it at nauseum on my show because
[18:24] Speaker 3: I am enamored with the story of the Autobiography of
[18:29] Speaker 3: a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda, where they're literally talking about
[18:33] Speaker 3: Jesus like abilities everywhere, like everywhere. So Paramahansa goes around
[18:39] Speaker 3: documenting these seemingly supernatural abilities of Yogi's in this book,
[18:44] Speaker 3: right his master is or his teacher master is Shri
[18:48] Speaker 3: yuk De Shwar. Yogananda goes on to find the miraculous
[18:52] Speaker 3: abilities of Yogi's as manifestations of subtler natural laws rather
[18:58] Speaker 3: than violations of nature, which is exactly what the Mahatmas
[19:02] Speaker 3: were saying. If you are interested in Helena Blovotsky and
[19:05] Speaker 3: the Rosicrucians and you know, theosophy and all that kind
[19:09] Speaker 3: of stuff.
[19:09] Speaker 2: But at one point, Shri ut.
[19:11] Speaker 3: De Schwar's explanation of all of these laws is immediately
[19:15] Speaker 3: compared with Christ's miraculous healing, and so he's like, well, wait,
[19:21] Speaker 3: I feel like I've heard this story before. Paramahansa is
[19:24] Speaker 3: and then he goes on to talk about and he
[19:27] Speaker 3: goes on to talk about like his experiences with other
[19:31] Speaker 3: Yogis and about how they've all essentially been able to
[19:34] Speaker 3: achieve all of these like supernatural what they're called like
[19:39] Speaker 3: a city or itdy powers and they are insane. So
[19:45] Speaker 3: the first example that is brought up is Mahavatar Babaje
[19:50] Speaker 3: and Yogananda, which is quite a mouthful, but Yogananda describes
[19:55] Speaker 3: Babaji as an almost legendary immortal Yogi and uh, there's
[20:01] Speaker 3: actually an entire chapter in the Autobiography of a Yogi.
[20:06] Speaker 1: Toiler alert, Babaje appears in my upcoming film. Just had
[20:10] Speaker 1: to throw that in there.
[20:11] Speaker 2: No way, let's go.
[20:15] Speaker 3: But there's an entire chapter in the Autobiography of a
[20:18] Speaker 3: Yogi called materializing a Palace in the Himalayas. Dude, this
[20:25] Speaker 3: is on some Loki level shit. Like seriously, if you
[20:28] Speaker 3: if you ever watched the Loki series, it is crazy.
[20:32] Speaker 2: But it's just like this.
[20:33] Speaker 3: So Babaji supposedly produces an elaborate golden palace for Lahiri
[20:38] Speaker 3: Mahasaya and subsequently causes it to disappear. So he brings
[20:43] Speaker 3: it to Fruich to fruition and then causes it to disappear.
[20:47] Speaker 3: You could say that's illusion, but I don't know. These
[20:51] Speaker 3: people were not messing with projectors back in the day,
[20:55] Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, there was no Ai
[20:57] Speaker 3: back in these days, at least not to the ordinary
[21:01] Speaker 3: folk anyway. So mahasaiahs So there's Lahiri Mahasaiah, which is
[21:09] Speaker 3: another one of these yogis, which he was the one
[21:14] Speaker 3: that was presented the palace. But there are stories surrounding
[21:18] Speaker 3: that Lahiri character of that include appearing remotely to disciples,
[21:24] Speaker 3: almost like a little remote view.
[21:26] Speaker 2: Or as a rejection. Right.
[21:27] Speaker 3: You hear about it a lot with even saints. If
[21:30] Speaker 3: you look into certain saints within Catholicism, there's a lot
[21:34] Speaker 3: of these kind of stories as well. Yeah, that too, dude,
[21:39] Speaker 3: It's amazing. Another thing with Lahiri was that he was
[21:44] Speaker 3: able to have extraordinary healing, clairvoyance, telepathic knowledge, visions, control
[21:52] Speaker 3: control over whether his image could be photographed.
[21:57] Speaker 2: Think about that he could control if he could be pictured.
[22:01] Speaker 2: That's crazy.
[22:03] Speaker 3: And you know, lastly, but not leastly, an apparent mastery
[22:07] Speaker 3: over matter, which you know gets into a lot of
[22:12] Speaker 3: these spiritual modalities. But so Yogananda's philosophical explanation is perfect.
[22:16] Speaker 3: Whenever he said the creation itself is an objectified, objectivized dream,
[22:24] Speaker 3: and that the realized yogi is someone capable of manipulating
[22:28] Speaker 3: the dream because he recognizes his unity with its source.
[22:33] Speaker 2: Basically like the roundabout.
[22:35] Speaker 3: If you read the entire book, that one sentence is
[22:37] Speaker 3: basically brings it all together. That essentially, the the the
[22:42] Speaker 3: person who becomes calm, enlightened, or what have you, recognizes
[22:46] Speaker 3: that all of this.
[22:47] Speaker 2: Is very similar to a dream.
[22:50] Speaker 3: And once you can find out who's dreaming the dream,
[22:54] Speaker 3: where's the dream coming from? How to dreams? You know
[22:57] Speaker 3: how to dreams work? And you know, especially once you
[23:00] Speaker 3: start dream journaling and learn to like lucid dream and
[23:05] Speaker 3: like have conversations and pull things from dreams. Dude, it's
[23:11] Speaker 3: this is another variation of a dream, is basically what
[23:14] Speaker 3: he was saying.
[23:15] Speaker 1: This is also most likely why children have a stronger
[23:19] Speaker 1: connection to the spirit realms. They can perceive more than
[23:23] Speaker 1: adults can. They do live a more carefree, dreamlike existence
[23:29] Speaker 1: at times. And most likely these people who had these
[23:34] Speaker 1: abilities were able to hold on to a lot of
[23:37] Speaker 1: that from a very early age so that they can
[23:40] Speaker 1: still manifest those abilities.
[23:43] Speaker 3: Oh dude, and especially and we're going to talk about
[23:45] Speaker 3: it here in a little bit, but the little kids
[23:48] Speaker 3: nowadays are way way easier to catch on to like
[23:53] Speaker 3: all these sighabilities. And it was perfectly put on stage
[23:58] Speaker 3: at the twenty twenty six side, which was just a
[24:00] Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, and actually I had on a
[24:04] Speaker 3: guest of the dad of two little kids who participated
[24:09] Speaker 3: over there and put on a show of you know,
[24:12] Speaker 3: putting on the blindfold. I asked him, how long did
[24:15] Speaker 3: it take you to train your kids to see without
[24:18] Speaker 3: their eyes with being blindfolded. He goes, You know, most people,
[24:22] Speaker 3: it probably takes you know, a couple of months to
[24:25] Speaker 3: really start opening up that window of perceiving without eyes.
[24:30] Speaker 3: So I was like, how long did it take you
[24:31] Speaker 3: to train your kid? He goes, two hours? What two hours?
[24:36] Speaker 3: And his kid could be blindfolded and see. Like so
[24:40] Speaker 3: the kids are absolutely like in that that call it
[24:45] Speaker 3: a trance state. You know, maybe they're more in theta
[24:48] Speaker 3: or alpha, which is the light trance to deep trance,
[24:51] Speaker 3: and you're able to perceive certain information that is outside
[24:54] Speaker 3: of the five senses, you know, or or you're kind
[24:58] Speaker 3: of you know, you're taking away one sense and it
[25:00] Speaker 3: heightens the abilities of the other senses, right, like, maybe
[25:04] Speaker 3: some of all of it.
[25:05] Speaker 1: So maybe some of these new age folks that I've
[25:08] Speaker 1: had on my show are correct about the new era
[25:11] Speaker 1: that we're heading into human perception opening up. Many people
[25:15] Speaker 1: think that she just woo woo nonsense. But if you
[25:18] Speaker 1: take what you're saying and you look around at some
[25:21] Speaker 1: of the people that have already been connecting with those abilities,
[25:26] Speaker 1: it would seem there's something to that.
[25:28] Speaker 3: Oh dude, it is amazing. Like those mind sight people
[25:32] Speaker 3: are mind blowing to me. There's a few people out
[25:37] Speaker 3: there and I can't remember the name of the woman.
[25:39] Speaker 3: Her name always escapes me. But she's like the face
[25:42] Speaker 3: of the mindfold is what it's called. But she's teaching
[25:48] Speaker 3: somebody how to see who is not only blind, but
[25:52] Speaker 3: doesn't have fucking eyeballs. Bro who there's no eyeballs in
[25:57] Speaker 3: that head? And this guy is a to read books
[26:02] Speaker 3: like nice, it's miraculous. You want to talk about like
[26:05] Speaker 3: teaching the blind to see? I don't know this is what?
[26:09] Speaker 2: This is? What this is? Right?
[26:12] Speaker 1: So?
[26:12] Speaker 2: All right? I mean it.
[26:14] Speaker 3: It is absolutely nuts. So there is uh so shriuk
[26:18] Speaker 3: de Schwar crazy story. If you've ever read Autobiography of
[26:23] Speaker 3: a Yogi, so Shriuch de Schwar dies. Now Shriek de
[26:26] Speaker 3: Swar is Paramahansa's master or his teacher. Right, But shriek
[26:32] Speaker 3: de Schwar dies and Paramahansa goes to his funeral, and
[26:36] Speaker 3: then he finally goes back up to his hotel room,
[26:38] Speaker 3: and Shrieck de Schwar is fucking standing there, okay, like
[26:42] Speaker 3: just standing there, and I mean so Yogananda, he reports
[26:47] Speaker 3: encountering him again in an apparently physical resurrected body. So
[26:52] Speaker 3: we could say that, you know, Jesus, whenever he died,
[26:56] Speaker 3: he came back resurrected. Same thing was probably going on
[27:00] Speaker 3: with shriuk de Schwar. Do we call that a resurrection?
[27:03] Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not going to get caught up
[27:05] Speaker 3: in semantics here. My point is is that you know,
[27:08] Speaker 3: once you can kind of realize that you're more than
[27:11] Speaker 3: your body, and that you exist as an astral form
[27:15] Speaker 3: or an ethereal form first before your ethereal body, then
[27:19] Speaker 3: I don't see why you wouldn't be able to come
[27:21] Speaker 3: back if you were able to realize that, right, and
[27:25] Speaker 3: especially all the years and years and years of meditation
[27:28] Speaker 3: and training and teaching, and I mean people devote their
[27:32] Speaker 3: lives to this, Like you know, there are some Yogis
[27:35] Speaker 3: that literally they just sit inside of a cave in
[27:38] Speaker 3: a mountain all day long, and uh, there's something special
[27:42] Speaker 3: about mountains as well.
[27:43] Speaker 2: We're not going to get into that.
[27:44] Speaker 1: But.
[27:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, these people and what they'll say is and there's
[27:50] Speaker 3: this other book that I'm also going to bring up
[27:52] Speaker 3: called the Megas of Hava phenomenal book, dude, almost basically
[27:57] Speaker 3: the same kind of concept within the autobiography of Yogi,
[28:00] Speaker 3: but within that book, the teachers there's like certain levels
[28:04] Speaker 3: within Taoism and that kind of I think it's called
[28:08] Speaker 3: maupow or something like that, that you literally you in
[28:14] Speaker 3: order to be a student, you have to dedicate at
[28:17] Speaker 3: least an hour a day to meditation.
[28:20] Speaker 2: Once you start raising.
[28:21] Speaker 3: In the in the levels of like things you can
[28:24] Speaker 3: learn about how to manipulate your energy or your prana
[28:27] Speaker 3: or chie or whatever. They they make you sit in
[28:31] Speaker 3: meditation for eight hours a day. Eight hours a day.
[28:35] Speaker 3: You're dedicating this and people do it for thirty forty
[28:37] Speaker 3: years and.
[28:39] Speaker 1: Man and I understand the extended meditation and the benefits
[28:43] Speaker 1: of meditation, but at some point it seems that some
[28:47] Speaker 1: of these people are escaping their human experience spending their
[28:51] Speaker 1: entire lives meditating. It seems contradictory to what we're really
[28:56] Speaker 1: supposed to be doing here. That's just my perspective, but
[28:59] Speaker 1: that's just for those people who take it to those
[29:02] Speaker 1: extreme levels.
[29:03] Speaker 3: I guess well, I mean it depends on what you
[29:06] Speaker 3: think life is supposed to be, you know, like we
[29:09] Speaker 3: weren't necessarily given instructions on how to live life. We're
[29:13] Speaker 3: only taught by other people who also don't know, you know,
[29:17] Speaker 3: so some would say that you're wasting. Some would say
[29:22] Speaker 3: that it's going to the best cause. And the way
[29:25] Speaker 3: I like to look at it is this. I don't
[29:27] Speaker 3: believe that an enlightened individual becomes enlightened for his or
[29:33] Speaker 3: her own self. I think that that enlightened individual becomes
[29:37] Speaker 3: enlightened to show everybody else what you're capable of as
[29:41] Speaker 3: an individual. And I think that that is invaluable. Like,
[29:44] Speaker 3: think about it, if we didn't have Jesus or Buddha
[29:47] Speaker 3: or any of these other characters, we would never be
[29:49] Speaker 3: able to recognize that we're also capable of that.
[29:53] Speaker 1: Well, if you also believe what's claimed to be the
[29:56] Speaker 1: purpose of much of this astral travel and these experiences
[30:00] Speaker 1: in other realms accessed by meditation, many would tell you
[30:05] Speaker 1: that they're doing work there. They're doing work in these
[30:08] Speaker 1: realms that have an effect in the material world to
[30:12] Speaker 1: benefit humanity in some way. Yeah.
[30:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you got people that you know, they
[30:18] Speaker 3: they claim that they're helping the wandering or the lost
[30:22] Speaker 3: souls that may have passed, you know, go go on
[30:26] Speaker 3: to the next stage.
[30:28] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[30:29] Speaker 3: I've never experienced that, so I can't I can't say
[30:31] Speaker 3: whether that's real or that's not.
[30:34] Speaker 2: Maybe one day that would be cool.
[30:37] Speaker 1: So but anyhow, I've already been to that d MT
[30:40] Speaker 1: BUCkies in this guy, so anything's possible.
[30:43] Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, dude, that.
[30:45] Speaker 3: Fucking BUCkies was more real than the regular BUCkies too.
[30:48] Speaker 3: Like that was crazy, dude. You you want to talk
[30:52] Speaker 3: about And that's that's the thing is that. Look, nobody
[30:55] Speaker 3: wants to have, like, you know, a heroic dosage of
[30:59] Speaker 3: mushrooms or go on a d MT trip or ayahuasca
[31:01] Speaker 3: or ib A gain or payota or whatever to the
[31:05] Speaker 3: to the level to where you literally die.
[31:08] Speaker 2: Like nobody, nobody wants to do that.
[31:11] Speaker 3: That doesn't sound fun And I wouldn't recommend it, like
[31:14] Speaker 3: I neither.
[31:16] Speaker 1: Would I because I've actually been there as well.
[31:18] Speaker 3: Oh dude, it terrorizes you, like it is the scariest
[31:23] Speaker 3: thing you'll ever do in your life. Think of the
[31:25] Speaker 3: scariest thing you've ever experienced and multiply it by a million,
[31:29] Speaker 3: Like that's what that that place is like. And but
[31:34] Speaker 3: I'm also very thankful for it because it allowed me
[31:37] Speaker 3: to see that, you know, once once everything is deleted
[31:41] Speaker 3: or everything is destroyed, it allowed me to see that, yes,
[31:45] Speaker 3: I might have went to the void, but I was
[31:48] Speaker 3: also the awareness inside of that void. And maybe that's
[31:51] Speaker 3: how all this came into creation in the first place, right,
[31:54] Speaker 3: Like you get into the one and the void, and like,
[32:00] Speaker 3: I don't know the story of God. I'm not saying
[32:02] Speaker 3: that I'm not even going to go there because people
[32:04] Speaker 3: are going to think I'm heretical. I'm not going there.
[32:07] Speaker 3: Of course, all this information is heretical to some people.
[32:10] Speaker 3: But so anyway, so shriuk de Schwar, that whole story
[32:16] Speaker 3: is amazing. And I love Paramahansa, I love you know,
[32:20] Speaker 3: all these other authors of these books that are documenting
[32:23] Speaker 3: these supernatural abilities of these seemingly enlightened individuals, because what's
[32:28] Speaker 3: going on here is special. It is the return of
[32:32] Speaker 3: a realized master after physical death. It's showing that it's
[32:36] Speaker 3: not exclusively a Christian possibility. I love that because now
[32:41] Speaker 3: instead of putting, you know, one guy on a pedestal
[32:45] Speaker 3: and worshiping him, you're now saying, well, it's happened to
[32:50] Speaker 3: you know, tens, if not hundreds, or maybe even thousands
[32:53] Speaker 3: of people who are able to achieve similar or the
[32:56] Speaker 3: exact same kind of results or the exact same kind
[32:59] Speaker 3: of life. And it's showing that we're capable of it too,
[33:04] Speaker 3: because whatever they are, we also have I think we
[33:06] Speaker 3: can all recognize that, yes, we all have a human body,
[33:09] Speaker 3: we all have a soul or a spirit or whatever
[33:10] Speaker 3: you want to call it. Right, that's all those people
[33:13] Speaker 3: had too, Right, Like, that's like the math is easy
[33:16] Speaker 3: whenever it comes to this. But outside of the couple
[33:21] Speaker 3: of names that I mentioned, there are other yogis. There
[33:24] Speaker 3: are other yogis in that book that Paramahansa Yogananda goes
[33:29] Speaker 3: in experiences with other people who have developed these supernatural
[33:33] Speaker 3: city powers. A city is essentially like this supernatural ability
[33:39] Speaker 3: that you get on the way to enlightenment. And it's
[33:42] Speaker 3: actually taught that you don't want to be a show
[33:45] Speaker 3: off with these kind of things. You're not supposed to
[33:47] Speaker 3: be super enamored with these kind of things, because then
[33:50] Speaker 3: that'll kind of stunt your growth toward eventual enlightenment. But
[33:56] Speaker 3: I think that it's still important to be able to
[33:59] Speaker 3: somewhat showcase it, not brag about it, but somewhat showcase
[34:02] Speaker 3: it and show that it's possible. But some of the
[34:05] Speaker 3: things some of the Yogis and saints were able to
[34:09] Speaker 3: do were levitation bylocation, telepathy, clairvoyance, precognition, miraculous healing, materialization, dematerialization,
[34:19] Speaker 3: extreme control over bodily functions, remaining without food for extraordinary periods,
[34:24] Speaker 3: appearing at distant locations, entering profound suspended states, and knowledge
[34:31] Speaker 3: of distant events. So that was Those are all the
[34:35] Speaker 3: things that were mentioned in the Autobiography of a Yogi.
[34:39] Speaker 1: I find it so interesting that Jesus said something along
[34:43] Speaker 1: the lines of we would all be able to perform
[34:48] Speaker 1: the miracles that he was doing. Whatever kind of abilities
[34:51] Speaker 1: he had, we would also have and more. And it's
[34:55] Speaker 1: interesting that Christianity teaches not to look within, not to meditate,
[35:02] Speaker 1: not to try and hone in on any of those abilities,
[35:06] Speaker 1: because of course, in most Christian perspectives, those are evil.
[35:10] Speaker 1: So even within that theological belief framework, there's a huge
[35:15] Speaker 1: contradiction that prevents humans from growing in a huge way.
[35:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's only evil if you and I
[35:24] Speaker 3: do it, But if Jesus did it, then it's godlike
[35:28] Speaker 3: like that's that's rules for THEE and not for me.
[35:32] Speaker 3: If I've ever heard it, right, Like we talk about
[35:36] Speaker 3: insider training trading within the government, right like about how
[35:41] Speaker 3: they're able to have all this information about what stock
[35:45] Speaker 3: is going to go up and what stock is going
[35:46] Speaker 3: to go down, and how it's not fair about how
[35:49] Speaker 3: they have that information and we don't. We can point
[35:51] Speaker 3: that out and we can call that rules for THEE
[35:53] Speaker 3: and not for me. But whenever it comes to spiritual things,
[35:57] Speaker 3: we're not able to make the same distinction.
[35:59] Speaker 2: That makes no sense to me.
[36:01] Speaker 3: Like, I don't see how people are so caught up
[36:04] Speaker 3: in the dogma. And it's because there is a comfort
[36:08] Speaker 3: in worshiping something greater than you.
[36:10] Speaker 2: I fully recognize that, I fully get that.
[36:14] Speaker 3: It's it's scary, you know, you want to believe that
[36:18] Speaker 3: you have, you know, some kind of grand master that
[36:21] Speaker 3: is helping you along your way.
[36:22] Speaker 2: And I'm not even saying that we don't.
[36:24] Speaker 3: We probably all have angels and guides and spirits and
[36:27] Speaker 3: all of this kind of stuff. But to just put
[36:30] Speaker 3: one person up there on a pedestal and say that
[36:33] Speaker 3: you could never do it, that you're you're not a Christian,
[36:36] Speaker 3: then you're I think that there's a big difference in
[36:41] Speaker 3: between believing the Bible and believing Jesus. You know, if
[36:46] Speaker 3: you look into the you look into the New Testament,
[36:49] Speaker 3: over seventy percent of the New Testament was written by Paul,
[36:54] Speaker 3: somebody who never met Jesus except for in a vision
[36:56] Speaker 3: on the road to Damascus, right, Like, there was nothing
[37:01] Speaker 3: special about Paul other than you know, him hallucinating in
[37:05] Speaker 3: a fucking desert. And you know, I've I'm sure, I'm
[37:09] Speaker 3: sure you have met certain enlightened individuals and in visions
[37:15] Speaker 3: and meditations and stuff like that. Why is it not holy?
[37:19] Speaker 3: Why is it not documented? Why are we not allowed
[37:21] Speaker 3: to have you know, our stories written into the annals
[37:24] Speaker 3: of history like Paul did? It makes no sense. You know,
[37:29] Speaker 3: everybody should be able to uh, we should all be
[37:32] Speaker 3: able to have access to these higher consciousnesses and teachers
[37:37] Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But does it have to be
[37:40] Speaker 3: you know, a known fact kind of deal, or is
[37:42] Speaker 3: it meant for your personal journey. That's where I like
[37:45] Speaker 3: to look at it. So moving forward, now we're gonna
[37:49] Speaker 3: get over to the cities. So the there's there's these
[37:54] Speaker 3: things called the Yoga sutras of pots and jolly or
[37:57] Speaker 3: pots and holly that are important because cities aren't a
[38:03] Speaker 3: new age thing like this isn't something that has been
[38:06] Speaker 3: you know, talked about within the last one hundred or
[38:07] Speaker 3: two hundred years. Like this stuff has been around for ever,
[38:12] Speaker 3: and so traditional yogi's describes cities which are extraordinary capacities
[38:18] Speaker 3: associated with advanced concentration in spiritual practice. And some of
[38:23] Speaker 3: the traditional city categories, and just to name a few,
[38:27] Speaker 3: are anima. Anima means becoming extremely small, Mahema is becoming
[38:32] Speaker 3: extremely large. Laghema is extreme lightness. Garima is extreme heaviness.
[38:39] Speaker 3: Property is reaching or excessing distant things. Praka maya is
[38:48] Speaker 3: the realization of the intention, which is basically like.
[38:53] Speaker 1: You know.
[38:55] Speaker 3: What some people might call, oh, what is the word uh?
[39:00] Speaker 3: Manifestation and uh, and then you have a bunch of
[39:04] Speaker 3: other ones. But basically this pot and Jali discusses inordinary
[39:08] Speaker 3: extraordinary knowledge arising through sem yama, which is the combined
[39:14] Speaker 3: practice of concentration, meditation, and what they call absorption basically
[39:19] Speaker 3: meditational downloads. Right, so what Christianity calls miracles, a yogi
[39:25] Speaker 3: would call them a city. Same thing, right, just overlapping language.
[39:31] Speaker 3: Now we're gonna head over to China and Indonesia. One
[39:34] Speaker 3: of the book that I am currently reading called The
[39:38] Speaker 3: Megas of Hava. I highly recommend everybody read it. It's
[39:41] Speaker 3: not a very thick book, only a couple hundred pages,
[39:44] Speaker 3: like you can get through it relatively quickly if you
[39:47] Speaker 3: know you have time. But it's basically about this guy
[39:51] Speaker 3: named John Chang. Amazing story. But so there was a video,
[39:56] Speaker 3: if you remember, there was floating around YouTube, and it
[39:58] Speaker 3: was actually from a a documentary or a movie.
[40:01] Speaker 2: I think it was called The Ring of Fire.
[40:05] Speaker 3: But basically there was a video floating around YouTube about
[40:07] Speaker 3: a guy who could center his chi prana, life force,
[40:10] Speaker 3: whatever you wanna call it, so well that he could
[40:13] Speaker 3: take a paper ball crumbled up and light it on
[40:16] Speaker 3: fire with his hands. Right, that guy happened to be
[40:19] Speaker 3: John Chang. So someone saw that video and knew that
[40:23] Speaker 3: it had to be real and wanted to find the
[40:25] Speaker 3: guy capable of this so that he could learn himself.
[40:28] Speaker 3: He wrote an entire book on the journey to meet
[40:31] Speaker 3: the Guy with these powers, and his name was Costa Danos,
[40:35] Speaker 3: and so Costa Danos wrote this book called The Megas
[40:37] Speaker 3: of Hava, which presents John Chang as a practitioner of
[40:41] Speaker 3: the Taoist Mopi tradition. So in the book he talks
[40:45] Speaker 3: about masters who have had insane abilities such as pyrokinesis, telekinesis, levitation, telepathy, healing,
[40:54] Speaker 3: and generation of an electrical like current throughout the body.
[40:59] Speaker 3: Some people that chie or prana right, yes, So the
[41:04] Speaker 3: famous Ring of Fire footage shows Chang apparently generating an
[41:08] Speaker 3: electrical effect through his body and using his hands to ignite.
[41:13] Speaker 2: A piece of newspaper.
[41:15] Speaker 3: The Mopie story involves cultivation of internal energy, meditation and
[41:20] Speaker 3: development of yin and yong chi, which is, you know,
[41:25] Speaker 3: a big point all the way throughout the book talking
[41:27] Speaker 3: about your.
[41:27] Speaker 2: Young and your yang chi or yin and yang gi.
[41:32] Speaker 3: Sorry, and which leads to my question, you know what
[41:37] Speaker 3: what if consciousness and the human organism, the physical body,
[41:42] Speaker 3: the have the capacities that most people never knew that
[41:45] Speaker 3: they could develop. Because in this book, I mean John Chang, Yeah,
[41:50] Speaker 3: lighting a like a newspaper. Ball on fire is an
[41:54] Speaker 3: extraordinary feat, right, Like that is crazy, Like just to
[41:57] Speaker 3: be able to spawn fire out of the energy that
[42:00] Speaker 3: is within your body.
[42:01] Speaker 2: That's wild.
[42:02] Speaker 3: But that was that was nothing compared to everything else
[42:06] Speaker 3: that was in that book. One of the one of
[42:08] Speaker 3: the coolest things that I saw was that he was
[42:11] Speaker 3: trying to demonstrate just like a like a simple thing,
[42:15] Speaker 3: but it was amazing. So he had this chopstick, right,
[42:19] Speaker 3: and this chopstick he goes, he's he's talking to his
[42:22] Speaker 3: boy Costa, and he goes, watch how I'm able to
[42:26] Speaker 3: take take this chopstick and shove it through a two
[42:29] Speaker 3: by four like and it's not even with like brute
[42:32] Speaker 3: force like it is literally you're manipulating the atoms around
[42:37] Speaker 3: the two by four to make way for the chopstick
[42:41] Speaker 3: to slide through like a knife through butter bro Like.
[42:45] Speaker 2: It is the craziest thing.
[42:46] Speaker 3: So basically he shoves this chopstick clearly all the way
[42:50] Speaker 3: through a two by four and whenever Coasta, his student,
[42:55] Speaker 3: is trying to pull it out, like it's hard to
[42:57] Speaker 3: pull it out, like it's really.
[42:58] Speaker 2: Actually wedged in there.
[43:00] Speaker 3: And and so John Chang's like, all right, well, yeah,
[43:04] Speaker 3: I want to see you try and shove it a
[43:05] Speaker 3: little bit farther. It's a little bit easier to pull
[43:07] Speaker 3: it out because the way has already been made, right,
[43:09] Speaker 3: but to push it a little bit farther. You just
[43:11] Speaker 3: saw that I was able to push it three quarters
[43:13] Speaker 3: of the way. I want you to push it the
[43:14] Speaker 3: rest of the way. He couldn't do it right, like
[43:17] Speaker 3: most people wouldn't be able to do it without either
[43:19] Speaker 3: either breaking it or hurting themselves.
[43:23] Speaker 1: So it is not bleeding into Eastern martial arts traditions
[43:28] Speaker 1: as well. That seems to be a marriage between these
[43:32] Speaker 1: mystical magical traditions and martial arts, at least in the
[43:36] Speaker 1: earlier forms.
[43:38] Speaker 2: Oh dude, it's nigong or chigong. These are amazing, dude.
[43:44] Speaker 3: Like I am obsessed with people who master nigong, like
[43:48] Speaker 3: it is some of the create and by the way,
[43:49] Speaker 3: I think that that's one of the things that you
[43:52] Speaker 3: learn within knigong is levitation and healing and a bunch
[43:57] Speaker 3: of other things because you're dealing with your own chie
[44:00] Speaker 3: or your you know, your internal will powers essentially what
[44:03] Speaker 3: it is. And so I mean, these are amazing things, dude,
[44:08] Speaker 3: And it just it if it does anything, it sparks
[44:14] Speaker 3: something within you that helps you realize that you're more
[44:18] Speaker 3: than just your physical body, right, And that's kind of
[44:21] Speaker 3: the core of what we've talked about for the last
[44:23] Speaker 3: several years on our shows, is that we're so much
[44:26] Speaker 3: more than these bodies, that we are capable of doing
[44:30] Speaker 3: amazing things that are seemingly miraculous, that are seemingly like
[44:34] Speaker 3: what only or could only happen within a dream, but
[44:38] Speaker 3: we're able to do them in real life.
[44:40] Speaker 2: And I just I can't get enough of this.
[44:45] Speaker 3: So nextly, I want to go into Helena Blovotsky and
[44:50] Speaker 3: the Mahatmas okay so uh. Blovotsky and early Theosophists claimed
[44:56] Speaker 3: contact with advanced human adepts generally called masters or Mahatmas,
[45:02] Speaker 3: especially these two people named Moriya and kut Hoomie otherwise
[45:06] Speaker 3: known as kh kut Whomy. The historical status of the
[45:10] Speaker 3: Masters is disputed because some Bozo's allegedly found that the
[45:15] Speaker 3: Blovotsky made it all up and called her a fraud,
[45:18] Speaker 3: But that scientific investigation that they did while she was
[45:22] Speaker 3: still alive turned out to be a fraudulent hit piece
[45:26] Speaker 3: and proven wrong.
[45:27] Speaker 2: Back in the eighties. So they it was really towards
[45:33] Speaker 2: the end of.
[45:33] Speaker 3: Her life, over the last five years, you know, there
[45:36] Speaker 3: was a bunch of people that were going to and
[45:39] Speaker 3: and trying to learn all of this theosophy and really
[45:42] Speaker 3: getting into the new age almost spiritual She hated the
[45:46] Speaker 3: spiritualism movement, and so she wanted to come up with
[45:49] Speaker 3: something that was even grander because she thought that a
[45:52] Speaker 3: lot of people were a little bit flipsy flopsy with
[45:54] Speaker 3: you know, their their spiritual beliefs and claims and.
[45:57] Speaker 2: Stuff like that.
[45:58] Speaker 3: But so and that's how what eventually led her to
[46:02] Speaker 3: creating theosophy. So she creates theosophy, and she has like
[46:08] Speaker 3: allegedly these letters from the Mahatmas that are in like
[46:12] Speaker 3: the Himalayas and these other mountains and stuff like that,
[46:15] Speaker 3: and they're able to like materialize letters out of thin
[46:17] Speaker 3: air and place them in the craziest spots, right, And
[46:22] Speaker 3: she claimed that that's how she was receiving these letters
[46:25] Speaker 3: from the Mahatmas and then she would have to mail
[46:28] Speaker 3: them out to them. So people were saying, well, that's fraudulent,
[46:33] Speaker 3: and you can tell that that's actually just Blovotsky's handwriting.
[46:36] Speaker 3: That's not from any you know, like ancient Jogi or
[46:42] Speaker 3: adapt or anything like that. And so you know, she
[46:45] Speaker 3: kind of got her name dragged through the mud for
[46:47] Speaker 3: the last five to seven years of her life and
[46:49] Speaker 3: then unfortunately she ends up dying with that reputation. Well
[46:53] Speaker 3: skip forward to almost eighty or ninety years in the future.
[46:57] Speaker 3: There were these these scientists or what have you, that
[47:02] Speaker 3: wanted to take another look to see if those claims
[47:06] Speaker 3: were actually true. Did she indeed write all of these
[47:10] Speaker 3: Mahatma letters that she was allegedly receiving from these enlightened individuals.
[47:14] Speaker 3: And it's like these people basically put it like it's
[47:18] Speaker 3: so clear that it's not her handwriting, that it had
[47:22] Speaker 3: to have been a hit piece on Blovotsky from either
[47:25] Speaker 3: another secret society or a religion or something like that.
[47:30] Speaker 3: Because anybody, like even a sixth grader could tell that
[47:32] Speaker 3: this wasn't her handwriting. Like you can compare handwritings, and
[47:35] Speaker 3: I know that we can change it up and make
[47:37] Speaker 3: it look more like this or more like that. But
[47:39] Speaker 3: like it was proven without a shadow of a doubt
[47:42] Speaker 3: that that was not a forged document, It wasn't fraudulent
[47:46] Speaker 3: or anything like that. So I have to get that
[47:47] Speaker 3: out in the front because people still assumed that she
[47:50] Speaker 3: was a fraud and that she made all this shit up.
[47:52] Speaker 3: I'm just here to say, if you look at the
[47:54] Speaker 3: documentation from the eighties, it, without a shadow of a doubt,
[47:58] Speaker 3: will prove that it is not her handwriting. So just
[48:01] Speaker 3: wanted to throw that out there.
[48:03] Speaker 1: In our modern conspiracy age, these occultists are usually all
[48:09] Speaker 1: lumped together, and it's very unfortunate people are lumping together
[48:13] Speaker 1: Blovotsky with Aleister Crowley and Anton Levy and lumping all
[48:18] Speaker 1: those people together with Manly P. Hall. Just ridiculous connections
[48:23] Speaker 1: that don't fit together once you look past the surface
[48:27] Speaker 1: of what these individuals were doing. And this is not
[48:31] Speaker 1: to speak to if what they're doing we're good or bad.
[48:34] Speaker 1: It's really besides the point. But modern conspiracy theorists try
[48:38] Speaker 1: to connect everything things that are not connected at all,
[48:44] Speaker 1: and unfortunately they do this heavily with occult themes, topics
[48:50] Speaker 1: and people who study the occult. Everything is automatically illuminative,
[48:55] Speaker 1: confirmed and connected and evil and demonic, and I think
[48:59] Speaker 1: it's extremely unfortunate that it's come to that.
[49:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And the moment I started looking into Blovotsky,
[49:06] Speaker 3: I was like, there's nothing evil about what she's saying
[49:10] Speaker 3: at all. Like it is literally like discovering who you
[49:15] Speaker 3: are and discovering what the nature of reality is. I
[49:18] Speaker 3: don't know how any of that is evil. And whenever
[49:21] Speaker 3: they group them in with Crowley, I'm like, that is
[49:27] Speaker 3: not even close to the same story. Blavotsky never met
[49:31] Speaker 3: Aleister Crowley, like she died very early, right, Like their
[49:37] Speaker 3: paths never crossed. And so I mean, maybe you know,
[49:41] Speaker 3: theosophy made its way into you know, Aleister Crowley's into
[49:46] Speaker 3: his mind and stuff like that, but that's not to
[49:48] Speaker 3: say that they're the same exact thing.
[49:50] Speaker 2: Look, just because.
[49:53] Speaker 3: Satanism, it's like saying Christianity is evil because Satanism was created.
[50:00] Speaker 1: There's crossover in everything. It has all been intertwined and intermixed.
[50:05] Speaker 3: By this point, it's all as above, so below there's
[50:09] Speaker 3: where there's a right hand path, there will always be
[50:11] Speaker 3: a left hand path, right like you can always you
[50:14] Speaker 3: can bastardize anything. Look at hoodoo and voodoo about how
[50:17] Speaker 3: it made it its way into Psalms and the Bible
[50:19] Speaker 3: and and it works, you know, so you know it's uh,
[50:23] Speaker 3: it's pretty crazy. But basically I want to get back
[50:27] Speaker 3: to the adepts in the Mahatmas that Blovotsky was talking to,
[50:32] Speaker 3: which ultimately led to the creation of theosophy. So some
[50:37] Speaker 3: of the things, and I highly recommend this book. It's
[50:40] Speaker 3: called The Land of the Gods. It's a very short
[50:42] Speaker 3: book by Helena Blovotsky. It's not like The Secret Doctrine
[50:45] Speaker 3: where it's thick and damn near unreadable because it's so
[50:49] Speaker 3: dense with you know, uh, like spiritual information. You have
[50:54] Speaker 3: to like, you have to know a bunch of things
[50:56] Speaker 3: even before you read that book. But The Land of
[50:59] Speaker 3: the Gods great book, only like under two hundred pages,
[51:03] Speaker 3: and she talks about, you know, basically going on this
[51:06] Speaker 3: journey into the into the wilderness, which you know, that's
[51:10] Speaker 3: how it always starts. Go on this journey into the wilderness,
[51:12] Speaker 3: and it's right next to the mountains, and there's like
[51:15] Speaker 3: these little elves or whatever that come up to her
[51:19] Speaker 3: and say, hey, come this way, come this way, and
[51:22] Speaker 3: they basically lead her to the mountains where she encompasses
[51:27] Speaker 3: or encounters these adepts, and these adepts are basically showing
[51:30] Speaker 3: her that yo reality is not what you think it is,
[51:33] Speaker 3: and I'm going to show you exactly how it's not
[51:35] Speaker 3: what you think it is. And they do that through telepathy, clairvoyance,
[51:40] Speaker 3: astra projection, remote viewing, influencing matter, communication across crazy distances,
[51:48] Speaker 3: occult healing, psychokinesis like phenomena, materialization, deteriors, deterior I have
[51:55] Speaker 3: god de materialization. That is a mouthful, and especially what
[52:00] Speaker 3: they call precipitation, which is the coolest one. So the
[52:05] Speaker 3: Mohammad letters, which we're going back back and forth between
[52:09] Speaker 3: them and Blovotsky discussed precipitation, which is mentally composing a
[52:15] Speaker 3: message and supposedly impressing or producing it upon physical paper. Dude,
[52:24] Speaker 3: this is another level above remote viewing, Like this is
[52:28] Speaker 3: not just viewing something, this is imprinting things on that
[52:34] Speaker 3: paper with your mind, okay, Which is said how she
[52:38] Speaker 3: was able to get all of these messages from the
[52:40] Speaker 3: Mohamas in the first place. So crazy, crazy things, right.
[52:46] Speaker 3: So kot Humi, which is kh that's one of the mahatmas,
[52:51] Speaker 3: describes first forming the words clearly in your consciousness before
[52:55] Speaker 3: they can be precipitated, which obviously that would be the
[52:58] Speaker 3: first step. And you know, I don't even want to
[53:02] Speaker 3: harp on that too much because I know we're on
[53:05] Speaker 3: limited time here, but I just want to take all
[53:07] Speaker 3: of these stories and I want to try and combine
[53:09] Speaker 3: them all because it's not one person saying this, it's
[53:12] Speaker 3: not two people saying this. These are hundreds, if not
[53:15] Speaker 3: thousands of people that have experienced this or have become
[53:19] Speaker 3: these kinds of enlightened individuals, of which I think is
[53:23] Speaker 3: our ultimate evolved state. Right now, we're running around like
[53:27] Speaker 3: a bunch of charmanders and we could be fucking charsyards
[53:30] Speaker 3: is basically what I'm saying. Right, So jump forward one
[53:34] Speaker 3: hundred and forty years to the twenty twenty six SI Games,
[53:38] Speaker 3: which just happened a couple weeks ago. In the SI
[53:40] Speaker 3: Games where that I think they have a website. I
[53:45] Speaker 3: think it's just called the Side Games or I can't remember.
[53:48] Speaker 2: I wasn't able to end.
[53:51] Speaker 3: Tickets were pretty damn outrageous, not gonna lie, like dude,
[53:54] Speaker 3: there were like six hundred bucks to go. Oh but
[53:58] Speaker 3: you can go, I guess as a photographer or you know,
[54:02] Speaker 3: fast or something like that. That's what I'm trying to
[54:05] Speaker 3: get in next year. Yeah, which is really cool, but
[54:09] Speaker 3: basically what they were doing was remote viewing, mindsight, precognition,
[54:15] Speaker 3: and psychoconesis, and a little bit of dowsing in there
[54:18] Speaker 3: as well. But their own description of mindsight is essentially
[54:22] Speaker 3: non ocular perception, identifying and navigating without ordinary vision. And
[54:28] Speaker 3: then you have psychokinesis, which is presented as attempting to
[54:32] Speaker 3: influence physical objects mentally, which my boy who I had
[54:37] Speaker 3: on the show before, he actually won one of the
[54:40] Speaker 3: first place prizes in twenty twenty five. I believe his
[54:44] Speaker 3: name is Ryan Dabian. He went on to win that
[54:48] Speaker 3: Psychokinesis challenge this year, which is really cool. So basically
[54:53] Speaker 3: you take it's called a sie wheel if you've ever
[54:57] Speaker 3: seen one of those, but it's basically you have a
[55:00] Speaker 3: you have a platform, and then you have like this
[55:02] Speaker 3: disc on the top, and the idea is is that
[55:06] Speaker 3: your energy from your hands is supposed to move this
[55:09] Speaker 3: little circular disc only about the size of maybe a
[55:12] Speaker 3: half dollar or maybe a little bit bigger, and you're
[55:15] Speaker 3: supposed to be able to manipulate the energy around this
[55:19] Speaker 3: disc and move it around. And I think they had
[55:21] Speaker 3: to do like maybe they had to spin it around
[55:24] Speaker 3: like ten times or something like that. Which is crazy, right,
[55:28] Speaker 3: Like these people are they're not using magnets, there's no fans, like,
[55:32] Speaker 3: it's in a very controlled environment. There's literally there was
[55:35] Speaker 3: nine hundred people there to watch this event, and so
[55:40] Speaker 3: he ended up winning it. And dude, it's it's mind power,
[55:43] Speaker 3: is what's going on? Like these people are manipulating the
[55:47] Speaker 3: fucking the the neutrons, the protons, the electors, something like,
[55:54] Speaker 3: there's something going on here, right.
[55:57] Speaker 1: I know what I'm watching this evening, Dude, it is
[56:00] Speaker 1: so cool.
[56:01] Speaker 2: It is so cool.
[56:03] Speaker 3: And oh, and what I was saying earlier about my
[56:05] Speaker 3: friend Jamie Starwalker, he wasn't a participant, but his kids
[56:09] Speaker 3: were up there and he put them up on stage
[56:12] Speaker 3: about how they're able to be blindfolded and I mean
[56:15] Speaker 3: they were eye patches and you know every way that
[56:19] Speaker 3: they can, you know, possibly block light from coming into
[56:23] Speaker 3: their eyes.
[56:23] Speaker 2: It's shown, right.
[56:25] Speaker 3: But his kids, which I believe are seven and ten
[56:28] Speaker 3: years old, we're able to go up on stage and
[56:31] Speaker 3: you know, read index cards, read covers of books and
[56:34] Speaker 3: all of these kind of things and just putting on
[56:36] Speaker 3: a crazy show. Right.
[56:38] Speaker 1: I think there's such a combination of outside factors that
[56:43] Speaker 1: prevent us from accessing these abilities that make it extremely
[56:47] Speaker 1: difficult for most adult humans to access this programming from
[56:52] Speaker 1: a very young age, being told that it's nonsense, it
[56:56] Speaker 1: doesn't work that way, it's not real, that magic doesn't exists,
[57:00] Speaker 1: that mysticism isn't real. Our parents often dig that into
[57:05] Speaker 1: our brains from a very early age and put a
[57:08] Speaker 1: stamp on our imagination, which of course hinders those abilities.
[57:13] Speaker 1: But I also think the food that we're eating does,
[57:16] Speaker 1: and I also think the pharmaceuticals that were given, even
[57:21] Speaker 1: over the counter drugs, everything that has been mass produced
[57:25] Speaker 1: in this society unfortunately causes some kind of hindrance or
[57:31] Speaker 1: disconnect with the spiritual realm. And there's so many combinations
[57:35] Speaker 1: of these things it's very difficult for your average everyday
[57:38] Speaker 1: person to connect with that.
[57:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, I mean, and that's why it's so
[57:44] Speaker 3: much easier just to look at all this information as heretical,
[57:47] Speaker 3: because we've been poisoned and brainwashed and all of this
[57:51] Speaker 3: kind of stuff into believing that this couldn't be real,
[57:54] Speaker 3: because unfortunately our powers have been damped, you know, say
[57:59] Speaker 3: that our pineo glens have been corroded or calcified or
[58:02] Speaker 3: what have you. I mean, our guts are insanely poisoned.
[58:06] Speaker 3: Uh it is, it's it's crazy. It so we're basically
[58:10] Speaker 3: made to feel heavy, feel slow, and incapable of doing
[58:14] Speaker 3: these kinds of things, which, to be honest, I actually
[58:18] Speaker 3: like in a sick way. I like the challenge, Like
[58:21] Speaker 3: I love knowing that they're doing everything they can to
[58:24] Speaker 3: fucking manipulate us and brainwash us and poison us, and
[58:28] Speaker 3: then being able to rise above that, like that is
[58:30] Speaker 3: a that is a hero's journey, right, like if there
[58:34] Speaker 3: ever was one. So you know, and this is just
[58:37] Speaker 3: what Look, the Side Games is something that is verifiable.
[58:41] Speaker 3: You can watch it. You can talk to the people
[58:43] Speaker 3: that were there. You can talk to the people that
[58:44] Speaker 3: won the actual gold medals or trophies or whatever they were.
[58:48] Speaker 3: I know a lot of these people. I've talked to
[58:51] Speaker 3: Ryan Dabian, who won, I talked to Jamie Starwalker who
[58:54] Speaker 3: was in attendance with his kids, and I've talked to
[58:56] Speaker 3: many other people who are also there, Corey Moo and
[59:00] Speaker 3: Justin from Lights Over Lovelin. These are people that I
[59:03] Speaker 3: know personally that were there and can verify this is
[59:07] Speaker 3: this is for real, right, These are just I know
[59:11] Speaker 3: a lot of these people. They're not calling on demons,
[59:14] Speaker 3: they're not wearing upside down crosses, right, Like these are
[59:18] Speaker 3: everyday people learning extraordinary abilities and showcasing them.
[59:23] Speaker 2: Like that's what this is.
[59:24] Speaker 3: And so you want to do a comparison here, Well Jesus,
[59:28] Speaker 3: Jesus was all about healing. I mean, he was able
[59:31] Speaker 3: to heal the sick and you know, the blind and
[59:34] Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. The Yogis were able to
[59:37] Speaker 3: do that. The Taoist adepts were also able to do that.
[59:40] Speaker 3: Jesus was able to perceive clairvoyant knowledge, call them prophetic
[59:45] Speaker 3: dreams and messages and whatnot. Well, the Yogis and the
[59:48] Speaker 3: Mahatmas could do that too. The same thing with Jesus
[59:55] Speaker 3: materializing after death. Right, Babajee was able to do that,
[1:00:00] Speaker 3: like other shriek de Schwar able to do that. And
[1:00:03] Speaker 3: it's not to try and water down the story of Jesus.
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: That's not what I'm trying to do here. I think
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: Jesus was an amazing individual if he actually existed, at
[1:00:11] Speaker 3: least the story of Jesus is amazing. What I'm trying
[1:00:15] Speaker 3: to say is that we got to stop separating ourselves
[1:00:20] Speaker 3: from that we are that we are everything, That Jesus
[1:00:25] Speaker 3: was everything, the Buddhle was everything, the Schriuk De shwar Para,
[1:00:28] Speaker 3: ma Hansa, Yogananda, you know, John Chang, all of these people,
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: we are also the same thing. We don't need a medium, right,
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: Like we don't need a priest, we don't need a pastor.
[1:00:42] Speaker 3: We don't need somebody telling us what we can and
[1:00:45] Speaker 3: can't do and what's heretical and what's not. We're all
[1:00:48] Speaker 3: capable of these things. You want to learn psychokinesis bro
[1:00:51] Speaker 3: sit in meditation for eight hours, you probably learned it.
[1:00:54] Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like it's probably it's it's
[1:00:57] Speaker 3: inert within us, like all of this kind of stuff,
[1:01:01] Speaker 3: it's all within us. And to go even farther, I
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: only mention just a few. You can look into Tibetan Buddhism,
[1:01:07] Speaker 3: you can look into the Buddhist polytext, you can look
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: into Taoism, Sufiism, Jewish mysticism, shamanic traditions. They're all talking
[1:01:15] Speaker 3: about the same thing. It's all magic. It's not just
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: one group, it is the world. Okay, So I just
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: wanted to throw that out there. And my question here
[1:01:26] Speaker 3: is what if Jesus wasn't demonstrating what makes him unlike humanity,
[1:01:32] Speaker 3: what if he was demonstrating what humanity can become. So
[1:01:36] Speaker 3: instead of look what I can do, it's look at
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: what is possible. So I just wanted to throw that
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: out there. I think that we're all capable of doing it.
[1:01:47] Speaker 3: I mean, some of you think that I'm going to
[1:01:49] Speaker 3: be striped down to hell and I might be smoten,
[1:01:52] Speaker 3: you know, But I'm just throwing it out there. I'm
[1:01:54] Speaker 3: just saying I'm just reporting and documenting the things that
[1:01:59] Speaker 3: one hundred, if not thousands of other people have also documented.
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: So I think that we're all capable of these things.
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: And I'll give you a couple of the ways that
[1:02:09] Speaker 3: you can start, just real quick, and then we'll finish.
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: It out with this.
[1:02:12] Speaker 3: Every tradition we've examined makes essentially the same claim. That
[1:02:16] Speaker 3: these people weren't born as a separate species. They trained
[1:02:21] Speaker 3: their consciousness. So what happens if ordinary people actually train it?
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: So this is where even a non believer can start. Okay,
[1:02:30] Speaker 3: Number one is meditation. It is you need meditation. You
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: need to be able to separate yourself from your body.
[1:02:38] Speaker 3: And that's what happens in meditation. You go into this
[1:02:41] Speaker 3: astral realm, this ethereal realm, what have you, and you're
[1:02:44] Speaker 3: able to see yourself as existing as more meditation, it
[1:02:50] Speaker 3: is the way.
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:02:52] Speaker 3: Another one is dream journaling. It might seem silly. A
[1:02:55] Speaker 3: lot of us have really crazy, silly dreams that don't
[1:02:58] Speaker 3: make a whole lot of sense. But the more you
[1:02:59] Speaker 3: die document them, the more they're going to crystallize in
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: your memory every single day. And the more they crystallize
[1:03:06] Speaker 3: in your memory, well maybe you can start interacting in
[1:03:10] Speaker 3: your dream and having a little bit more control and
[1:03:12] Speaker 3: a little bit more awareness and that dream. And why
[1:03:15] Speaker 3: that's important is because if you can bring more awareness
[1:03:18] Speaker 3: to your dream, it's essentially subconsciously teaching you to have
[1:03:22] Speaker 3: more awareness in this reality because this may or may
[1:03:27] Speaker 3: not also be a dream as well.
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's.
[1:03:29] Speaker 3: Controlled intuition tests, zener card guessing, which is you know
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: how a lot of these people begin and there's there's
[1:03:38] Speaker 3: so many dude, you can you can uh get some
[1:03:41] Speaker 3: dowsing rods or you know what have you, but there's
[1:03:44] Speaker 3: there's hundreds of trials of people you're not You almost
[1:03:48] Speaker 3: feel like once you start practicing it, that you're not
[1:03:51] Speaker 3: learning how to do it, you're remembering how to do it,
[1:03:55] Speaker 3: and that.
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: That is what strikes true to me.
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: In closing, would you say that it's very important for
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: people to clean up their inner turmoil and heal their
[1:04:08] Speaker 1: inner trauma before they can really start noticing real result
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: with some of this stuff, because that is an anchor
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: and that essentially will hold you back. Right.
[1:04:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, shadow work is what some people call it, which
[1:04:26] Speaker 3: is basically you're facing your inner demons, like you're you're
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: facing the things that you have been trying to drown
[1:04:33] Speaker 3: for years or decades, and ultimately that's the thing that's
[1:04:37] Speaker 3: holding you back, Like that is the thing that is
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: causing you stress, that's the thing that's causing you anxiety
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: because you would rather deal with it tomorrow than you know,
[1:04:47] Speaker 3: open up that can of worms right now. But ultimately
[1:04:50] Speaker 3: those can of worms is what is going to connect
[1:04:55] Speaker 3: you to something greater. And I know it's scary and
[1:04:57] Speaker 3: it sucks. Nobody likes to do shadow work. Nobody likes
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: to like shine a light on the things that they
[1:05:03] Speaker 3: judge themselves the harshest for. Right, Like, we've all done
[1:05:07] Speaker 3: things that we're not very proud of, or that we
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: would never want to tell anybody or you know whatever,
[1:05:12] Speaker 3: Like we all have those things.
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: I don't care who you are.
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: Everybody's done something that you're not proud of. And the
[1:05:18] Speaker 3: goal is is that you want to be able to
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: shine a light. You don't need to tell everybody. You
[1:05:21] Speaker 3: don't need to go into a booth and tell a
[1:05:23] Speaker 3: fucking priest or anything like that. It's confronting it yourself,
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: you know, like confront it yourself and learn from it.
[1:05:30] Speaker 3: And you know, really psychedelics are a good way of
[1:05:34] Speaker 3: being able to do that, especially like you want to
[1:05:37] Speaker 3: talk about, you can't run away from your shadow and
[1:05:39] Speaker 3: your in the psychedelic trip.
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: It's try it's negative.
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: Oh it will it will eat you alive, you know.
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: And and it doesn't have to be by psychedelics or
[1:05:51] Speaker 3: if you can do it through meditation, you can do
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: it through.
[1:05:55] Speaker 2: You know, just sitting with yourself. And once you kind
[1:05:59] Speaker 2: of like I.
[1:06:01] Speaker 3: Rip the scary face off of the fake monster, like
[1:06:04] Speaker 3: in Scooby Doo, you find out that that scary face
[1:06:07] Speaker 3: was just a regular person. It was just you all along,
[1:06:11] Speaker 3: you know. So I think that that is that's definitely
[1:06:13] Speaker 3: a great place to start.
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: Right on, Jonathan Amazing as usual. One more time before
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: we close out, let everyone know where they can get
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: all your content.
[1:06:24] Speaker 3: Metamistics Podcast. You can check it out on Spotify, Apple,
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[1:06:57] Speaker 1: Thame thing knowledgenews dot com.
[1:07:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, as soon as they find out that somebody has
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[1:07:29] Speaker 3: I just want to throw that out there. It's just
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[1:07:33] Speaker 3: sounds like some sexy content. Man, Oh, it's sexy. It's
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[1:07:38] Speaker 1: Right on. I love it, Jonathan, Thank you so much.
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