# Sadhu Dah | Paranormal Adventures, Demon Possession, Terrifying Case of Mr Smiley

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 10 Sep 2026, 1 h 21 min.

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## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:04] Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
[0:08] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:10] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:14] Speaker 1: your host, Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Sadu Da.
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[0:39] Speaker 1: ForbiddenKnowledgeNews at gmail.com. Today I want to welcome back to
[0:43] Speaker 1: the show Sadu Da. He is a world-traveling digital nomad
[0:47] Speaker 1: and exorcist. His expertise in the occult and esoteric arts
[0:51] Speaker 1: has taken him all across the globe, where he documents
[0:55] Speaker 1: his experiences through cultural and spiritual travel documentaries. Sadu, welcome back.
[1:01] Speaker 2: How you doing?
[1:03] Speaker 3: I'm doing great. I got no complaints. How are you?
[1:06] Speaker 2: I'm excellent.
[1:07] Speaker 1: No complaints here either. Last time you were on, you
[1:10] Speaker 1: shared some of the spiritual work you're involved with and
[1:13] Speaker 1: some wild experiences from your world travels. Today, you're back
[1:18] Speaker 1: to share some more wild experiences from secretive rituals with
[1:22] Speaker 1: forest shamans, exorcisms in Borneo, and even an experience helping
[1:28] Speaker 1: a family become free of an entity called Mr.
[1:31] Speaker 3: Smiley. Love this.
[1:33] Speaker 1: Can't wait to get into it. Before we do, it's
[1:35] Speaker 1: been a little while. Remind the audience a little bit
[1:37] Speaker 1: about yourself and let them know how they can get more.
[1:42] Speaker 3: Well, I have built my reputation over what sounds crazy
[1:49] Speaker 3: coming out of my mouth. almost 20 years now of
[1:53] Speaker 3: experience in, um, the Thai witch or the shamanistic traditions
[2:01] Speaker 3: of Thailand. Um, and the magical practices encompassed in that. And, uh, yeah,
[2:08] Speaker 3: I have somehow become popular globally. Um, I have a
[2:15] Speaker 3: TV show, I have a website, the sadhu.com and, um, Yeah,
[2:21] Speaker 3: I just kind of travel. I'm just, I'm just a
[2:23] Speaker 3: dude and I travel around the world and I find
[2:28] Speaker 3: myself in weird situations and things happen and that's pretty
[2:33] Speaker 3: much it.
[2:34] Speaker 1: Right on that. Well, since we last spoke, where have
[2:38] Speaker 1: you been traveling to?
[2:39] Speaker 3: Um, so I was in Brazil and Peru, and then
[2:48] Speaker 3: I went back to Peru. And then I was in
[2:53] Speaker 3: the U.S.
[2:54] Speaker 2: With my girlfriend.
[2:55] Speaker 3: And then after the U.S., which was the U.S. is
[2:59] Speaker 3: the craziest for me because I haven't lived in the U.S.
[3:03] Speaker 3: for several years now. So I've just been traveling constantly
[3:07] Speaker 3: since since then. So I was in the U.S. briefly
[3:11] Speaker 3: and then was back in Thailand, which was mostly my
[3:15] Speaker 3: home base for the past six years or so. And
[3:21] Speaker 3: then I was in Malaysia, and I was in Borneo,
[3:28] Speaker 3: and now I'm in Vietnam. But yeah, that was kind
[3:34] Speaker 3: of the weird stuff that we're talking about today takes
[3:38] Speaker 3: place in Thailand and Borneo specifically.
[3:45] Speaker 1: You said that some of your wildest experiences are here
[3:48] Speaker 1: in the United States. Why would you say that?
[3:52] Speaker 3: Well, that's because when I was younger and I was
[3:56] Speaker 3: getting my chops, as they say, I.
[4:02] Speaker 2: Don't like it because it is so kind of accurate.
[4:05] Speaker 3: But a lot of people would have likened me to
[4:09] Speaker 3: like Supernatural, like season one, season two. Yeah. So, you
[4:14] Speaker 3: know how like Sam and Dean like traveled around the
[4:17] Speaker 3: country and like, impersonated different professions and like.
[4:22] Speaker 2: You, you know, all kinds of.
[4:24] Speaker 3: Means to like get themselves into paranormal situations to solve them.
[4:29] Speaker 3: I did that with like one of my teachers slash
[4:33] Speaker 3: now colleagues, um, Shifu Berry. Uh, so like I, I
[4:38] Speaker 3: did at one point in my history and do a
[4:43] Speaker 3: lot of different road trips, um, across the Americas, um, Uh,
[4:48] Speaker 3: and founder, like, like there was one case in particular,
[4:53] Speaker 3: which was really crazy where, um, allegedly, allegedly, um, we
[5:00] Speaker 3: impersonated police officers and got into a crime scene, um,
[5:05] Speaker 3: where there was a suspected, um, demonic, uh, situation that
[5:11] Speaker 3: ended in a murder suicide. And we were trying to
[5:14] Speaker 3: see the scene, if it lined it up with the,
[5:17] Speaker 3: sigil demonic that we were kind of following. And it did,
[5:23] Speaker 3: which ended up ultimately leading us to do an exorcism
[5:27] Speaker 3: while pretending to be cops and allegedly being on a
[5:32] Speaker 3: crime scene we shouldn't have been on. So there have
[5:35] Speaker 3: been some very weird circumstances that I've found myself in
[5:39] Speaker 3: over the years. And some of the weirdest ones We're
[5:43] Speaker 3: actually in the U S um, I've done crazier stuff.
[5:47] Speaker 3: I found myself in weirder positions, but the net positive
[5:52] Speaker 3: of like the most was in the U S.
[5:56] Speaker 1: Right on. Let's get into some recent experiences you had
[6:01] Speaker 1: with forest shamans and the rituals that they're doing. Where
[6:04] Speaker 1: was this again?
[6:06] Speaker 2: So I was in Thailand.
[6:08] Speaker 3: Um, There is an ajarne, which is like a term
[6:13] Speaker 3: for like the literal transition of ajarne means teacher. And
[6:18] Speaker 3: like somebody who is a teacher at a university could
[6:21] Speaker 3: be an ajarne, right? But when we usually used like
[6:25] Speaker 3: in Thailand, the terminology of ajarne, we're talking about an
[6:30] Speaker 3: occult professor. So a teacher of the occult. And you
[6:34] Speaker 3: have the lutsi, which are like four shamans. But we
[6:38] Speaker 3: kind of categorize them together, like the Lucy and the Ajaan.
[6:41] Speaker 3: They're not monks, but like, they are people who have
[6:45] Speaker 3: a proficiency in magic just for those who are not aware.
[6:49] Speaker 2: Now, uh, I was with, uh, a.
[6:52] Speaker 3: John Sui and a John Sui was like someone who
[6:56] Speaker 3: I was a fan boy of for quite some time.
[6:59] Speaker 3: I had quite a few of his amulets and I
[7:03] Speaker 3: really admired his work. Sui is like the term for tiger,
[7:08] Speaker 3: if we translate it. And so he was basically like
[7:13] Speaker 3: teacher tiger, if you will. So his magic was like
[7:17] Speaker 3: very focalized in like protection and charm specifically. And one
[7:24] Speaker 3: of my teachers, John Kao Succeed, who lives in Chiang Mai,
[7:29] Speaker 3: and he's known as the Ghost Master, Well, I had
[7:33] Speaker 3: like mentioned to him, oh yeah, like I'd like to,
[7:35] Speaker 3: I'd like to meet a John Sui, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[7:38] Speaker 3: And he was like, oh, he's one of my besties
[7:40] Speaker 3: for Estes, you know? And, and so, uh, so I,
[7:44] Speaker 3: so I was like, oh, like, can you give me
[7:46] Speaker 3: his contact details?
[7:48] Speaker 2: He did me one better.
[7:50] Speaker 3: He, he contacted him right there in front of me,
[7:52] Speaker 3: called him and was like, so what he comes, somebody,
[7:55] Speaker 3: you might not come like a John. And, and so
[7:58] Speaker 3: he's like, he's like telling him, you know, like, Hey, like,
[8:00] Speaker 3: how are you? And then, And then he's like, oh,
[8:02] Speaker 3: so I've got this student here. He likes your stuff.
[8:05] Speaker 3: He wants to come see you. What's a good day
[8:07] Speaker 3: for you? And he was like, I'm fishing right now. But,
[8:11] Speaker 3: you know, another day this week works. And so he
[8:13] Speaker 3: was like, oh, OK, like, yeah, like you guys can
[8:16] Speaker 3: can link up.
[8:17] Speaker 2: Here's his Facebook. Facebook, for people who.
[8:20] Speaker 3: Don't know, is super, super popular in Thailand, more than
[8:24] Speaker 3: like any other social media. Just a fun fact for
[8:28] Speaker 3: you guys. And so I contacted him on Facebook.
[8:32] Speaker 2: We set it up.
[8:33] Speaker 3: I went out into like a rural area of like Southern,
[8:35] Speaker 3: like just South of Chiang Mai. And, and I went
[8:38] Speaker 3: and I met up with him and I had these
[8:41] Speaker 3: dolls with me and these dolls were supposed to be
[8:44] Speaker 3: what are called Luke TEP, which are a terminology for
[8:49] Speaker 3: child angel spirits. And so like I go there and,
[8:54] Speaker 3: and I bring these dolls with me and I'm like
[8:56] Speaker 3: talking to a John Sui and I'm getting these blessings
[9:01] Speaker 3: on some amulets. I'm buying some amulets from him. I
[9:04] Speaker 3: got a baby cat fetus that I.
[9:05] Speaker 2: Bought from him.
[9:07] Speaker 3: Um, and then some scorpion amulets that I made using
[9:10] Speaker 3: like real scorpions. Um, and, and like, uh, had them
[9:14] Speaker 3: encased in like a waterproof casing. And so it got
[9:17] Speaker 3: all this stuff done. And then he's like, Oh, these
[9:20] Speaker 3: ghost babies, like these baby dolls, like, They don't have
[9:24] Speaker 3: any spirit in them. Do you want me to put
[9:26] Speaker 3: a spirit in them?
[9:28] Speaker 2: And the thing is, I.
[9:31] Speaker 3: Know how active Luketep are. So I did not intentionally,
[9:37] Speaker 3: I know how.
[9:37] Speaker 2: To do this type of magic.
[9:39] Speaker 3: So I did not intentionally put spirits in them because
[9:43] Speaker 3: I wanted to wait till I was shipping them back
[9:46] Speaker 3: for inventory in my shop. So I didn't do that initially.
[9:51] Speaker 3: I put yaunt on them. I had ingredients like in
[9:54] Speaker 3: a spell bottle and all this, like I like I
[9:57] Speaker 3: prepared them as a ritual vessel, but I did not
[10:00] Speaker 3: put the spirits in them yet.
[10:02] Speaker 2: But then here I am with someone that's like an
[10:04] Speaker 2: idol of mine.
[10:05] Speaker 3: And he's like, Hey, you want me to put them
[10:06] Speaker 3: baby spirits inside of those vessels?
[10:09] Speaker 2: Are you going to say no?
[10:12] Speaker 3: So I, so I let him and, and he did like,
[10:15] Speaker 3: he did the whole ceremony and ritual right there. put
[10:19] Speaker 3: the baby spirits inside of the dolls. And now I'm like, great,
[10:23] Speaker 3: I'm a father.
[10:25] Speaker 1: So when you say baby spirits, can you elaborate a
[10:28] Speaker 1: little bit? Is this spirits of deceased child humans or
[10:33] Speaker 1: something else?
[10:35] Speaker 2: It is, it is.
[10:36] Speaker 3: So in, in the Thai traditions, and this is something
[10:42] Speaker 3: that's kind of taboo for Western audiences. We have, what
[10:48] Speaker 3: are considered to be methodologies of practice, which are normalized.
[10:54] Speaker 3: So one of them is what we would call a gumentong.
[10:57] Speaker 3: It's similar to a luktep, but it's a little bit different.
[11:00] Speaker 3: So with the gumentong, let's say I'm an expecting mother
[11:04] Speaker 3: and I have a miscarriage.
[11:06] Speaker 2: And it's a tragedy.
[11:09] Speaker 3: There's a lot of emotional aspects behind losing a child
[11:15] Speaker 3: that you were expecting to have. And then someone comes
[11:18] Speaker 3: along and they says, I cannot make your child alive
[11:24] Speaker 3: the way that you would have wanted. But I can
[11:29] Speaker 3: create a statue or an effigy and I can call
[11:33] Speaker 3: the spirit of your child and I can use the remnants,
[11:37] Speaker 3: the cremated ashes or the matter that came out from
[11:43] Speaker 3: your miscarriage. And I can create a vessel. where it
[11:47] Speaker 3: has the spirit in it. And you can interact with it.
[11:52] Speaker 3: You can raise it as your own child, even though
[11:55] Speaker 3: it's incorporeal, right?
[11:57] Speaker 2: Or corporeal, even though it's.
[12:01] Speaker 3: Not tangibly physical the way your living child would have been.
[12:05] Speaker 3: And it will accumulate merit. And this merit will be
[12:09] Speaker 3: like positive karma. And as it helps you in the
[12:15] Speaker 3: physical world, and it brings you material things and it
[12:19] Speaker 3: benefits you, you dedicate merit to it. And this child
[12:26] Speaker 3: who has the potential of their entire life snuffed out.
[12:31] Speaker 3: And if they were reborn right now would essentially gain
[12:34] Speaker 3: nothing in a new life.
[12:36] Speaker 2: But in this context, they will receive positive karma.
[12:42] Speaker 3: And when they are eventually reborn, if we believe in reincarnation, right?
[12:46] Speaker 3: When they're eventually reborn, they will have a higher incarnation
[12:51] Speaker 3: than they would have originally had.
[12:54] Speaker 1: So it's not really like you're trapping the spirit against
[12:57] Speaker 1: its will. In this practice, it is bringing good favor
[13:02] Speaker 1: to the spirit to help it reincarnate into a better life.
[13:05] Speaker 1: Is that right?
[13:07] Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. It is a mutually benefited spiritual contract. For
[13:15] Speaker 3: both parties. One who is living in the physical. Gains
[13:20] Speaker 3: physical benefits. And one is living in the spiritual. Gains
[13:25] Speaker 3: spiritual benefits. So that is the way the Gumentong operates.
[13:29] Speaker 3: The Luketep is slightly different. And that's why I had
[13:33] Speaker 3: to kind of explain the Gumentong first. Because the Gumentong
[13:36] Speaker 3: is a spirit.
[13:37] Speaker 2: That's lost in the astral.
[13:39] Speaker 3: Whereas a Luketep. We would kind of consider them in
[13:43] Speaker 3: the astral. upper echelon, still in the astral, but in
[13:47] Speaker 3: the upper echelon where people would essentially consider heaven constructs.
[13:52] Speaker 3: So this spirit is not in a state of suffering,
[13:56] Speaker 3: but it's not quite in a.
[13:57] Speaker 2: True soul slumber.
[14:00] Speaker 3: So we kind of pull them out of there and
[14:03] Speaker 3: they have a more divine kind of moniker to them
[14:06] Speaker 3: because when we translate Luke Tep, Luke Tep translates as
[14:12] Speaker 3: a child spirit, Gumentong translates as.
[14:15] Speaker 2: Thailand's golden boy.
[14:17] Speaker 3: And the reason we call it golden boy is because
[14:19] Speaker 3: the Gumentong originally, the ritual process for making them, which
[14:24] Speaker 3: is illegal now, is they would roast the corpse of
[14:29] Speaker 3: the child.
[14:30] Speaker 2: It's already deceased.
[14:34] Speaker 3: There is nothing done to it to cause that, right?
[14:39] Speaker 3: But it's essentially a corpse. And they would roast it
[14:42] Speaker 3: in the cemetery. They would use the kata, which are
[14:44] Speaker 3: like mantra, and they would ritually prepare it, and then
[14:47] Speaker 3: they would coat it in gold leaf. So it would
[14:50] Speaker 3: be a literal corpse covered in gold that was roasted.
[14:56] Speaker 3: You can see why that's illegal.
[14:59] Speaker 4: So now what they use are they use ashes, either
[15:05] Speaker 4: cremated ashes from a person in general or from the
[15:09] Speaker 4: baby itself.
[15:11] Speaker 2: Or just like, you know.
[15:13] Speaker 3: Bone or something like, you need to have pride, we
[15:16] Speaker 3: call pride, pride means ghost.
[15:18] Speaker 2: So you need to have pride materials.
[15:21] Speaker 3: And then you would have a statue made of wood
[15:25] Speaker 3: and it would be embedded in the bottom or it
[15:27] Speaker 3: would be made of clay. It would be like an
[15:29] Speaker 3: effigy of sorts. That is the style that is made now.
[15:33] Speaker 3: Whereas with the luke tap, We don't necessarily need to
[15:38] Speaker 3: use high ingredient or prime material, but we will, we
[15:43] Speaker 3: will use a baby doll. So it'll be like literally
[15:47] Speaker 3: a haunted doll, but with a higher level of consciousness
[15:53] Speaker 3: in the spirit that's embedded inside of it. So, you know,
[15:58] Speaker 3: that's the process that happened when we were with a
[16:02] Speaker 3: John Sui.
[16:03] Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of anything like that? Going south,
[16:07] Speaker 1: meaning maybe the spirit is unhappy, it has negative results,
[16:13] Speaker 1: whenever inhabited, things along those lines?
[16:16] Speaker 3: I have, but it falls into one of two categories
[16:23] Speaker 3: if we're speaking in the ritualistic context. So one, it'll
[16:28] Speaker 3: be somebody that doesn't have proficiency or understanding of the witchcraft.
[16:33] Speaker 3: The witch is a terminology for the classification of magic
[16:37] Speaker 3: that comes from Thailand.
[16:39] Speaker 2: So if somebody improperly, you.
[16:42] Speaker 3: Know, basically did not do it correctly, the spirit might
[16:48] Speaker 3: not have the full instructions of the contract or it
[16:52] Speaker 3: can be unbalanced. Then the material itself within the amulet, uh,
[17:00] Speaker 3: overall has not been purified or prepared accordingly. And then
[17:04] Speaker 3: it becomes a cursed object and it induces haunting in
[17:09] Speaker 3: the home.
[17:10] Speaker 2: That's one way.
[17:11] Speaker 3: The second way could be somebody misuses it. And, um,
[17:17] Speaker 3: a really good story that I use is like on
[17:20] Speaker 3: my Etsy shop. Like I have like Guman tongs, things
[17:23] Speaker 3: like this that I sell, but I give very clear
[17:25] Speaker 3: instructions that, And I had a woman that bought a
[17:28] Speaker 3: kummentang from me one time and she had it for
[17:31] Speaker 3: like a few months and there were no issues. And
[17:34] Speaker 3: then she messages me one day and she's like, my
[17:39] Speaker 3: home is now haunted. And I think it's because of
[17:41] Speaker 3: the kummentang I bought from you. And I said, OK, well,
[17:45] Speaker 3: tell me what's going on. She begins to describe like
[17:49] Speaker 3: phenomena where like the cabinets were slamming open and shut.
[17:54] Speaker 3: you know, glasses would slide across and then fly off
[17:57] Speaker 3: the counter and break on the ground and just like
[18:01] Speaker 3: loud foot stomps and then like a child giggling and
[18:04] Speaker 3: like laughing, like, you know, in a very mischievous way.
[18:07] Speaker 3: And she was terrified, rightly so, right? You know, and
[18:12] Speaker 3: none of this was happening before. And so I realized
[18:16] Speaker 3: there's something wrong happening here because I know how that
[18:20] Speaker 3: gum and tongue was made. And I have a very
[18:23] Speaker 3: good comprehension of what can go wrong and how it
[18:28] Speaker 3: can go wrong.
[18:29] Speaker 2: So I start going through questions.
[18:30] Speaker 3: And then ultimately, when she's talking about the general care
[18:35] Speaker 3: and how she took care of the gumintang, she mentions
[18:39] Speaker 3: that it would come to eat with her at dinner
[18:41] Speaker 3: every night, which is in the instructions, we can leave
[18:44] Speaker 3: food out for them or we can invite them to
[18:47] Speaker 3: share the meal with us. And so I asked her,
[18:50] Speaker 3: I said, when you're, when you're enjoying your meal at night, like,
[18:54] Speaker 3: do you happen to have any alcohol? She says, well, yeah,
[18:59] Speaker 3: like I have a glass of wine usually every night.
[19:02] Speaker 2: And I said.
[19:05] Speaker 3: So you remember how I said in the instructions, Guomintang
[19:09] Speaker 3: are not allowed to have alcohol.
[19:11] Speaker 2: She said, yeah.
[19:12] Speaker 3: And she said, like, I didn't, I didn't tell it
[19:15] Speaker 3: to drink alcohol. I said, you invited it. to have
[19:19] Speaker 3: dinner with you. You invited it to share from your meal.
[19:22] Speaker 3: You didn't explicitly forbid it to have the alcohol, did you?
[19:27] Speaker 3: She said, well, no, I didn't think I needed to.
[19:28] Speaker 2: I said, okay, think about it this way.
[19:32] Speaker 3: You give essentially a toddler a.
[19:37] Speaker 2: Bunch of wine. What happens?
[19:40] Speaker 1: What?
[19:41] Speaker 2: They go wild, right? You don't get children drunk.
[19:46] Speaker 3: We do not condone that.
[19:49] Speaker 2: We don't give children alcohol.
[19:52] Speaker 3: So once she understood this and she made it very
[19:56] Speaker 3: explicitly clear to the Gumintang, it was not allowed to
[20:00] Speaker 3: have alcohol. All the phenomena ceased. Huh.
[20:04] Speaker 1: That's wild.
[20:06] Speaker 2: He had a drunken baby ghost.
[20:09] Speaker 1: That's so crazy man so before we move away from
[20:14] Speaker 1: your experiences with the forest shamans is there anything else
[20:17] Speaker 1: that you'd like to add i mean.
[20:19] Speaker 3: There's so much but for for the sake of time
[20:23] Speaker 3: i'd say we can we can always come back on
[20:25] Speaker 3: another day or revisit.
[20:27] Speaker 1: It yeah let's get into the exorcisms you've been involved
[20:32] Speaker 1: with recently in borneo is that correct.
[20:36] Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, yes. So this was a bit of
[20:42] Speaker 3: a very wild situation that was unexpected. Now, for those
[20:50] Speaker 3: who are not familiar where Borneo is, if you look
[20:55] Speaker 3: on a global map and you look at Malaysia and
[20:58] Speaker 3: you look at Indonesia and Southeast Asia, we.
[21:03] Speaker 2: See that there is like the.
[21:06] Speaker 3: You know, the island in between, which is divided between
[21:11] Speaker 3: two countries.
[21:12] Speaker 2: And there's a third country that's in it, which is Brunei.
[21:16] Speaker 3: OK, so the.
[21:16] Speaker 2: Tiny little salt nation of Brunei is up here.
[21:19] Speaker 3: And then you have Sabah and Sarawak in the north,
[21:22] Speaker 3: which belong to Malaysia. And then in the south, we
[21:26] Speaker 3: have Kalimantan, which belongs to Indonesia. This is. um, to
[21:31] Speaker 3: Southeast Asia, what Alaska is to the U S it's
[21:34] Speaker 3: like the last frontier, right? You still have many indigenous communities.
[21:39] Speaker 3: You have a lot of wild untouched places. You can
[21:43] Speaker 3: see wild elephants on the last time that I was there.
[21:46] Speaker 3: I've been, this was like my fifth or sixth time
[21:49] Speaker 3: in Borneo. And, um, um, me and my girlfriend, we
[21:53] Speaker 3: were on Kimbatang and river and we got to see
[21:55] Speaker 3: wild elephants on the river. So like, it is still
[22:00] Speaker 3: very primal in a way. And there's just something so
[22:04] Speaker 3: special about traveling somewhere where you can still have that
[22:09] Speaker 3: type of experience where you are enmeshed with something lost
[22:13] Speaker 3: to time, essentially. And when we were in Borneo, I
[22:19] Speaker 3: have one of my students, he's from Kenningau. Kenningau is
[22:23] Speaker 3: like in the middle of nowhere. So if we were
[22:26] Speaker 3: to equate that to, you know, the U.S., that would
[22:30] Speaker 3: be like somebody who lives in the middle of nowhere,
[22:34] Speaker 3: Appalachian Mountains, right? Like just kind of like out there, rural,
[22:40] Speaker 3: as rural gets. So we fly into Kota Kinabalu. My
[22:44] Speaker 3: student comes and picks us up. He takes us to Kinangau.
[22:47] Speaker 3: And because I was doing like work with some very
[22:51] Speaker 3: important individuals in the country, Um, you know, people in,
[22:56] Speaker 3: in certain positions, um, that, that I can't like go
[23:01] Speaker 3: into detail wise, but, but these were important clients that
[23:04] Speaker 3: I was working with. And, um, they, they put me
[23:09] Speaker 3: up in a house. This house was, um, known by
[23:16] Speaker 3: someone that the student knew and, uh, they rented out, but, um,
[23:23] Speaker 3: It wasn't like on Airbnb, kind of like we rent
[23:27] Speaker 3: it out for people who need it. It's available, but
[23:30] Speaker 3: like it's not majorly listed like on platforms. So first
[23:35] Speaker 3: night I'm there, I knew the moment I walked in
[23:40] Speaker 3: the door. So for anybody not familiar with my story,
[23:46] Speaker 3: since I was a small child, I always had the
[23:49] Speaker 3: gift of sight. I was clairvoyant from a very small
[23:52] Speaker 3: age and very sensitive. And it was more of a
[23:57] Speaker 3: curse than a blessing until I learned how.
[24:00] Speaker 2: To control it.
[24:01] Speaker 3: So when we walked into the house, like right away,
[24:04] Speaker 3: I was like, there'd be some ghost in this house.
[24:07] Speaker 3: Like I could, I could feel it right away, but
[24:10] Speaker 3: it didn't want to show itself to me. And so
[24:14] Speaker 3: I was like, okay, whatever. Like I'm, I'm not bothered.
[24:18] Speaker 3: And I was trying to sleep that night and I
[24:22] Speaker 3: kept kind of hearing things. And then the next day,
[24:30] Speaker 3: like in the early hours of the morning, I could,
[24:35] Speaker 3: how do I describe this? So in the simplest sense,
[24:39] Speaker 3: have you ever been dreaming, but like you can kind
[24:43] Speaker 3: of see outside of your body, like, maybe think of
[24:46] Speaker 3: this in an astral projected kind of sense, like you
[24:49] Speaker 3: can kind of perceive your environment around you. Well, that
[24:54] Speaker 3: was essentially what I was experiencing. So I was in
[24:57] Speaker 3: this type of a lucid aware state.
[25:00] Speaker 1: Kind of like you're seeing through your eyelids, but you're
[25:03] Speaker 1: half asleep.
[25:05] Speaker 2: Exactly that. Exactly that.
[25:08] Speaker 3: So in this type of state, um, I saw a family, the, the,
[25:13] Speaker 3: the arrangement downstairs was different with the furniture. You know,
[25:16] Speaker 3: it was like in the past a little bit. And, um,
[25:21] Speaker 3: I was, I was seeing downstairs a family having breakfast,
[25:25] Speaker 3: a very normal, ordinary, nothing weird type of scenery. And
[25:30] Speaker 3: then they noticed me and they noticed that I was
[25:33] Speaker 3: noticing them. And it was like, uh, okay. You know,
[25:38] Speaker 3: type of thing. And, um, And at that point I said, okay,
[25:43] Speaker 3: so these are the ghosts in the house. And I
[25:46] Speaker 3: thought nothing of it. And then we had like a
[25:50] Speaker 3: white crew later in the morning. So I like, I
[25:54] Speaker 3: didn't get bad sleep, but I didn't fully rest. And
[25:57] Speaker 3: the day before was a travel day coming from Kuala
[26:00] Speaker 3: Lumpur to Kota Kinabalu and then traveling down to Kenangau.
[26:04] Speaker 2: I was tired, you know?
[26:05] Speaker 3: And then like my student was excited to see me.
[26:09] Speaker 3: And I also, I forgot to mention, I had a
[26:12] Speaker 3: student that I was teaching. So we had to stop
[26:14] Speaker 3: on the way back to Kenningau. And I had to
[26:18] Speaker 3: teach a class with a student virtually. And then like
[26:22] Speaker 3: we had a dinner and then we got to the
[26:25] Speaker 3: house and then my student wanted to pick my brain
[26:27] Speaker 3: about all kinds of stuff. And then I finally got
[26:29] Speaker 3: to sleep. So I didn't get good sleep that night.
[26:33] Speaker 3: So I'm sleep deprived. And then I did about 12
[26:36] Speaker 3: hours of ritual work. I consecrated a Buddha statue. I
[26:45] Speaker 3: did like energy healings with people that came to the house.
[26:49] Speaker 3: I blessed amulets. I did some boy baths. I did,
[26:53] Speaker 3: I did all this type of like, just think witchy stuff. Right.
[26:56] Speaker 3: And then that night I'm like, I'm just ready to
[27:00] Speaker 3: crash out. And once we put the covering over the
[27:04] Speaker 3: Buddha statues eyes, my student, and my girlfriend were the
[27:09] Speaker 3: only people left in the house at this time. We
[27:11] Speaker 3: all heard this loud sound come from upstairs. Now this
[27:15] Speaker 3: is a four bedroom house, but it's just me and
[27:17] Speaker 3: my girlfriend staying in this house. So there's nobody else
[27:21] Speaker 3: staying with us. And my, my student and my girlfriend
[27:24] Speaker 3: are downstairs with me. And we heard this loud sound.
[27:28] Speaker 3: I go up the stairs. And as I come up
[27:32] Speaker 3: to the top step, I immediately, it's like, It's like
[27:36] Speaker 3: a sheet of cold air that just runs through you.
[27:39] Speaker 3: Every hair on my body stood up and immediately I
[27:44] Speaker 3: felt malice and malevolence.
[27:46] Speaker 2: And I said, oh, you're not a ghost.
[27:50] Speaker 3: You're a demon. And so I went downstairs and I
[27:56] Speaker 3: was like, okay, you know, this is not what it
[28:01] Speaker 3: initially presented as.
[28:03] Speaker 2: And it waited until I was tired.
[28:06] Speaker 3: It sized me up the moment I came into the
[28:09] Speaker 3: house and it was playing a game of 3d chess with.
[28:13] Speaker 2: Me, or in this case, 4d chess.
[28:15] Speaker 3: Right.
[28:17] Speaker 2: So my students like, Oh, my bad.
[28:20] Speaker 3: Like, I didn't know that I put you into teacher.
[28:23] Speaker 3: I didn't know that I put you into a demon
[28:25] Speaker 3: infested house. I'm sorry. But then like later I'm talking
[28:32] Speaker 3: to my teacher and, and, And he's like, well, of
[28:35] Speaker 3: all people, it should have been you, the one person
[28:39] Speaker 3: that could do something about it.
[28:41] Speaker 2: So in that instance, I can't actually be mad at
[28:43] Speaker 2: my student.
[28:44] Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, good. You exposed a threat in your
[28:46] Speaker 3: community and you exposed it to the right person. So
[28:51] Speaker 3: my student leaves and then it's just me and my
[28:53] Speaker 3: girlfriend the rest of the night. And we started to
[28:55] Speaker 3: hear things. And at one point during the day, she
[28:58] Speaker 3: tells me when she was in the room, she heard
[29:00] Speaker 3: something kind of like and felt something like walking.
[29:05] Speaker 2: Back and forth.
[29:07] Speaker 3: And I have all, I have these Watanu statues, the, uh, we,
[29:10] Speaker 3: we call Watanu or Watanu, which are these magic Buffalo, which, um,
[29:16] Speaker 3: chase off bad spirits. And, and, uh, these were made
[29:19] Speaker 3: by my master as I have the Watanu in the
[29:22] Speaker 3: room and I have like my amulets and stuff. And, and,
[29:25] Speaker 3: and I already have like, you know, a bunch of
[29:27] Speaker 3: protective Sakyan on my body, my own natural cultivated energies
[29:31] Speaker 3: and shielding. Right. So, so, um, you know, this thing
[29:36] Speaker 3: couldn't really touch me. And, and, uh, and I, and
[29:39] Speaker 3: I made Dan sure to put protection over my girlfriend,
[29:41] Speaker 3: so it couldn't affect her, but we kept hearing noises
[29:47] Speaker 3: outside the door. And at one point the shower turned
[29:52] Speaker 3: on by itself. And I went in there and I
[29:55] Speaker 3: turned off the shower and then I heard some kind
[29:59] Speaker 3: of voice, but I couldn't make out any details of
[30:02] Speaker 3: it outside the door of the bedroom. And so I
[30:06] Speaker 3: told my girlfriend, I said, um, I'm not going to
[30:09] Speaker 3: go to sleep.
[30:11] Speaker 2: I'm going to take night watch.
[30:13] Speaker 3: I want you to go to sleep.
[30:14] Speaker 2: I want you to just, just relax. You're safe.
[30:17] Speaker 3: I'm I'm way past my limit. I am so freaking
[30:32] Speaker 3: sleep deprived at this point. If you consider the night before,
[30:36] Speaker 3: the travel day, you consider the 12-hour work day that preceded.
[30:41] Speaker 3: And then here I am finally ready to rest, and
[30:43] Speaker 3: this thing wants to play games. And there was some
[30:49] Speaker 3: of the notable phenomena that happened was I hear a
[30:55] Speaker 3: marching band. Like no exaggeration. I heard a marching band
[31:00] Speaker 3: coming from the other room and it was like, like, like,
[31:08] Speaker 3: like classic, like marching band music. And so I opened
[31:11] Speaker 3: the door and I walk into the room and the
[31:16] Speaker 3: music stops.
[31:18] Speaker 2: There's no radio. There's no TV.
[31:19] Speaker 3: There's nothing in this room that could have possibly made
[31:23] Speaker 3: this sound.
[31:24] Speaker 2: And it's like 3 a.m.
[31:25] Speaker 3: In the morning. And I opened the window and like,
[31:28] Speaker 3: there is no sound coming from outside. Like there's no
[31:30] Speaker 3: freaking marching band, but if you were to go to
[31:33] Speaker 3: the window and look outside, it is pure jungle for, for,
[31:38] Speaker 3: for my outside of the house. It is straight up
[31:40] Speaker 3: just jungle untouched, not like demolished or deforest it. Like it's,
[31:46] Speaker 3: it's straight jungle as far as the eye can see
[31:50] Speaker 3: outside the window. So like, it's not coming from the jungle.
[31:55] Speaker 3: And this was like, like drums, like trumpets. This was
[32:01] Speaker 3: like straight marching band music. So as soon as the
[32:05] Speaker 3: music stopped, then I heard the TV click on downstairs.
[32:12] Speaker 3: So I go downstairs, and at this point I'm annoyed.
[32:15] Speaker 3: So I go and I turn off the TV. I
[32:19] Speaker 3: take a few steps away. I walk back.
[32:21] Speaker 2: The TV clicks back on.
[32:23] Speaker 3: So then I go over, I literally unplug the TV
[32:27] Speaker 3: from the wall. I go walking up the stairs. I
[32:31] Speaker 3: get around the staircase and then I hear the TV again. Wow.
[32:37] Speaker 2: I walked downstairs. The TV's plugged back in and on.
[32:41] Speaker 3: No shit. So I turned it off and I'm like,
[32:47] Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not even scared. I'm legitimately, I'm legitimately angry.
[32:52] Speaker 3: I am tired. I am cranky. I want to go
[32:56] Speaker 3: to sleep. This thing is playing freaking games with me.
[33:01] Speaker 3: So I go back upstairs. I message my teacher and
[33:07] Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, here's the situation. I'm severely tired.
[33:14] Speaker 2: I need some backup right now.
[33:16] Speaker 3: I know that I need to address this and I'm
[33:19] Speaker 3: going to, but I need some backup. Like, can you
[33:23] Speaker 3: please call me? So he calls me and we're on
[33:27] Speaker 3: video chat. And we're both together, like, you know, doing
[33:33] Speaker 3: work on the house, going through like Reiki, pranic energy, chants, mudra,
[33:39] Speaker 3: all this.
[33:40] Speaker 2: Type of stuff.
[33:40] Speaker 3: Right. And we get a severe reduction of the energy
[33:45] Speaker 3: in the house. I still couldn't sleep at this point.
[33:51] Speaker 3: You also have to consider that even if it was safe,
[33:54] Speaker 3: I was just in a very charged paranormal situation. And
[33:59] Speaker 3: you're talking about somebody who's been an exorcist for over
[34:02] Speaker 3: a decade, who has legitimately been exposed to very traumatic
[34:10] Speaker 3: things over many years and has certifiable diagnosed PTSD. So
[34:20] Speaker 3: any sound that might not have even been paranormal at
[34:22] Speaker 3: this point, me trying to lay down would have immediately
[34:26] Speaker 3: triggered me. So I'm just like, you know what? It's
[34:29] Speaker 3: like two hours. I have to wait until my student
[34:31] Speaker 3: gets here. And then we've got a full day of
[34:34] Speaker 3: work doing more rituals and et cetera. Like yippee. Like
[34:38] Speaker 3: I've got to go bless, bless a noodle factory and.
[34:41] Speaker 2: Like do some work for a wealthy business owner. That
[34:44] Speaker 2: was a whole thing.
[34:45] Speaker 3: Went to a noodle factory and, uh, And so I'm like, OK,
[34:50] Speaker 3: I just got to get through it. And so then.
[34:54] Speaker 3: I go downstairs and I pour coffee for myself and
[35:02] Speaker 3: I'm waiting for my student to come and pick me
[35:03] Speaker 3: up in the morning. And then like my girlfriend sitting
[35:07] Speaker 3: on the other end of the coffee table, I'm right here.
[35:09] Speaker 3: And then I see like, you know, a foot where
[35:14] Speaker 3: the stairwell. So so like half of the stairwell goes
[35:17] Speaker 3: up and then there's a wall. And the stairs continue up, right?
[35:21] Speaker 3: So then I see a foot come out from the wall.
[35:27] Speaker 3: And then it's like I can see it out of
[35:29] Speaker 3: the corner of my eye. But then the moment I
[35:32] Speaker 3: notice it, it retracts.
[35:35] Speaker 2: Intentionally.
[35:37] Speaker 3: Intentionally messing with me. It wanted me to notice it
[35:40] Speaker 3: long enough. Like it did it enough for me to
[35:42] Speaker 3: notice it. And then the moment I notice it, it's like, yeah,
[35:45] Speaker 3: you did see that.
[35:46] Speaker 2: And it pulled it back. And it played this game
[35:49] Speaker 2: with me.
[35:51] Speaker 3: I'm going to go into the second part of this
[35:53] Speaker 3: where we did the full-blown exorcism, and I'm going to
[35:56] Speaker 3: tell you the history of this house.
[35:58] Speaker 1: Now, before we get into the second part, I just
[36:02] Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, if demons are demons, no matter
[36:06] Speaker 1: what culture, no matter where they're at, or are there
[36:11] Speaker 1: different kinds of spiritual beings that would be considered demonic that...
[36:18] Speaker 1: can change based on the culture, location, the belief system
[36:23] Speaker 1: surrounding it, or does it adapt to different cultures and situations?
[36:30] Speaker 2: That's a very good question. The shortest answer is demons
[36:35] Speaker 2: be demons.
[36:39] Speaker 3: The actually properly explained answer would be that when I
[36:44] Speaker 3: use the term demons, It's a simplified term. It's an
[36:49] Speaker 3: easy to understand term no matter where you are from
[36:53] Speaker 3: in the world, no matter what you believe, skeptic or not,
[36:56] Speaker 3: religious or not, right? But what I mean when I'm
[37:01] Speaker 3: saying demon is I mean a quasi-physical malevolent being that
[37:07] Speaker 3: is not of this world. So it's something that is
[37:11] Speaker 3: quasi-physical in nature. It is predatory. It's malevolent. It sees
[37:17] Speaker 3: us as prey, and it's not from this world. So
[37:24] Speaker 3: when I'm talking about a demon, that's what I'm talking about.
[37:28] Speaker 3: And what we have to understand when we're looking at
[37:31] Speaker 3: the broader context of this, I think I've sent you
[37:36] Speaker 3: my demonology book.
[37:37] Speaker 2: Have I? Yes, you have.
[37:39] Speaker 3: Okay. So if you read through my demonology book, I
[37:44] Speaker 3: really go in-depth into this. But essentially, a demon, because
[37:52] Speaker 3: it is a predator in an environment that is bigger
[37:55] Speaker 3: than we realize, we're looking at the spectrum of life
[38:00] Speaker 3: through limited vision, through what our cones and rods in
[38:05] Speaker 3: our eyes can perceive. But if we're looking at the
[38:07] Speaker 3: ultraviolet spectrum— There are things that exist on that spectrum
[38:12] Speaker 3: that we cannot see. So that must mean that our
[38:17] Speaker 3: environment is wider than we can perceive. And because the
[38:23] Speaker 3: nature of existence is not just limited to, excuse me,
[38:28] Speaker 3: third dimensional reality. That must also mean that there are
[38:32] Speaker 3: things that exist outside of third dimensional reality, things that
[38:37] Speaker 3: don't live by the rules that we live by being
[38:40] Speaker 3: third dimensional beings. So all of that in consideration, a
[38:46] Speaker 3: predatory being that is not, you know, three dimensionally dependent
[38:51] Speaker 3: in existence coming in here.
[38:55] Speaker 2: Is going to use tools.
[38:57] Speaker 3: Of predation which are going to have the greatest effect,
[39:00] Speaker 3: meaning that if you are a Christian, I am going
[39:04] Speaker 3: to be the most demonic type of entity that– drives
[39:12] Speaker 3: you straight to Jesus in a state of fear, right?
[39:16] Speaker 3: And if you are Muslim, you are going to be
[39:19] Speaker 3: praying to Allah because I am the very shin that
[39:24] Speaker 3: they speak of in Islamic culture, right? And if you
[39:29] Speaker 3: are you know, uh, not dependent upon a specific religion,
[39:35] Speaker 3: I am going to make you question your sanity.
[39:39] Speaker 2: And I might not even stage.
[39:40] Speaker 3: Phenomena in a way that is designed to make you say,
[39:44] Speaker 3: Oh my God, there's a demon in the house, but
[39:46] Speaker 3: make you question your sanity in a way of.
[39:49] Speaker 2: Like, Did I put that there the other day?
[39:52] Speaker 3: Why are these nightmares continually happening to me?
[39:55] Speaker 2: What is wrong with me?
[39:56] Speaker 3: Right? So these things are masters of chess. They are
[40:02] Speaker 3: playing on a level that you really can't comprehend. And
[40:09] Speaker 3: they work in a very– the thing that is predictable
[40:13] Speaker 3: though is the way that they operate, which is stage one,
[40:16] Speaker 3: stage two, stage three. We have infestation. We have oppression
[40:23] Speaker 3: and we have possession, right? So in infestation, you have infestation,
[40:29] Speaker 3: which leads to manifestation. Something gets into the house or
[40:32] Speaker 3: something attaches to a person and then it manifests. It
[40:36] Speaker 3: makes itself known. It makes itself present. There is some
[40:39] Speaker 3: sort of introduction of phenomena. And this is also how
[40:42] Speaker 3: I separate and rule out cases of mental illness from
[40:46] Speaker 3: cases of true entity colonization. coercion because in any case
[40:51] Speaker 3: that I have observed and I've worked over a thousand
[40:54] Speaker 3: cases at this point, in any case that I've ever
[40:56] Speaker 3: come onto with a paranormal nature where people are making
[41:00] Speaker 3: all kinds of claims, they don't really understand what's going on.
[41:02] Speaker 2: They're not the professional, right? They're overwhelmed by what's happening.
[41:06] Speaker 3: So in any case that I've come onto paranormally, there
[41:09] Speaker 3: has always been phenomena. There has always been paranormal phenomena
[41:13] Speaker 3: that defies a readily explainable explanation.
[41:18] Speaker 2: So, That's one. So you have stage one, infestation and manifestation.
[41:23] Speaker 3: Then stage two is where we think of it as
[41:26] Speaker 3: like breaching the aura of a person or starting to
[41:30] Speaker 3: test their neurology. And that is where we have internal.
[41:35] Speaker 3: It happens at the same time. It's internal and external oppression.
[41:40] Speaker 3: This is where you see the staging of things in
[41:43] Speaker 3: the house phenomena wise kicking up. And you also see hallucinations. Nightmares,
[41:49] Speaker 3: sleep paralysis, projections, et cetera, hallucinations, all of this. So
[41:55] Speaker 3: it happens internally and externally at the same time. That
[41:59] Speaker 3: is oppression. Then you have stage three, which is possession.
[42:02] Speaker 3: It's the end goal because this is what nets the
[42:05] Speaker 3: biggest feeding. These things aren't scaring you because they want
[42:10] Speaker 3: you to just be scared because I'm a demon, right?
[42:15] Speaker 2: They're scaring you because.
[42:18] Speaker 3: In inducing spiked levels of cortisol in your system, it
[42:23] Speaker 3: lowers your natural vibratory state. And when we lower your
[42:28] Speaker 3: natural vibratory state, what happens as a byproduct is we
[42:33] Speaker 3: sink to lower levels of vibration, which these things are
[42:38] Speaker 3: of a lower vibratory nature. So it's not that a
[42:42] Speaker 3: demon comes to your level. It's the demon actually brings
[42:47] Speaker 3: you to its level. And that's the genius of it.
[42:50] Speaker 3: These things want you to believe that they've got you.
[42:53] Speaker 3: But the reality is they're bringing you down to their
[42:57] Speaker 3: level because that's the only way they can feed on you.
[43:01] Speaker 3: And once they brought you down to your level, then
[43:05] Speaker 3: it's just it's just a game at that point. get,
[43:09] Speaker 3: get the, get the juices, you know, primed up, make,
[43:13] Speaker 3: make the cow tender, make the cow juicy. Right. And,
[43:17] Speaker 3: and that cortisol, that fear, the amygdala response and, and
[43:22] Speaker 3: what it generates makes the meat more tender so that
[43:26] Speaker 3: when it induces a murder suicide or a suicide, it
[43:31] Speaker 3: is like a battery exploding and it feeds on that.
[43:35] Speaker 2: Wow.
[43:35] Speaker 3: It's not anything to do with trying to scare you
[43:39] Speaker 3: with jump scares and all this kind of stuff in
[43:42] Speaker 3: the house. What it is, is about priming its food
[43:45] Speaker 3: source to generate the biggest output that it can then
[43:50] Speaker 3: sustain itself off of. And that's why so many people
[43:54] Speaker 3: come at this as like demons are evil. I'm not
[43:57] Speaker 3: saying in any way, shape or form that I worship,
[44:01] Speaker 3: work with or am justifying a demon, right? All I
[44:05] Speaker 3: am saying is that Would you call a tiger feeding
[44:10] Speaker 3: on a deer as evil, or would you just say
[44:15] Speaker 3: it's nature in motion? It's a predator doing what a
[44:18] Speaker 3: predator does. That's the same thing here. These demonic entities,
[44:24] Speaker 3: they're not evil. They are predatory beings, and we just
[44:28] Speaker 3: so happen to be on the menu.
[44:31] Speaker 2: So we are able to protect ourselves, though, and there's
[44:36] Speaker 2: a lot that goes into that.
[44:37] Speaker 3: Is, you know, dealing with trauma and, and, um, and,
[44:42] Speaker 3: and elevating the vibratory state of yourself and, um, you know,
[44:46] Speaker 3: being encompassed in quote unquote, the light, right. A higher
[44:50] Speaker 3: vibratory nature. Um, this is what raises us out of
[44:56] Speaker 3: the field, which they can predate upon. Right.
[45:00] Speaker 2: Also, um, they have to terraform their environment.
[45:03] Speaker 3: So they have to make your home a place of
[45:06] Speaker 3: fear because this world as it exists is not something
[45:10] Speaker 3: they can exist and live in. And the higher level
[45:15] Speaker 3: of a demonic entity is the bridging of that entity
[45:19] Speaker 3: within our dimension. It's not necessarily this is a more
[45:22] Speaker 3: powerful demon. And that's where people kind of get things
[45:25] Speaker 3: wrong in lore. When entities bridge into our dimension and
[45:31] Speaker 3: they instigate phenomena, they're kind of more like astral projected
[45:37] Speaker 3: into our dimension. They're not actually here, but the closer
[45:41] Speaker 3: they become to our dimension, the closer they are manifested
[45:45] Speaker 3: within our dimension.
[45:46] Speaker 2: That's where you see the greater foothold.
[45:48] Speaker 3: And that is the whole process of staging one, two,
[45:52] Speaker 3: and three is it's not just a feeding, but it's,
[45:55] Speaker 3: it's anchoring it deeper into this dimension, which then they
[45:58] Speaker 3: can wreak more havoc.
[45:59] Speaker 2: They can feed deeper.
[46:00] Speaker 3: Um, and some sources would say that where they come
[46:04] Speaker 3: from They've either exhausted their food source or there is
[46:08] Speaker 3: a lesser abundance of food for them in that dimension,
[46:14] Speaker 3: and this is a more rich feeding ground. So I
[46:17] Speaker 3: think I answered your question, but I also feel like
[46:20] Speaker 3: I went off on a tangent.
[46:21] Speaker 2: So I apologize.
[46:22] Speaker 1: No, no. This is all about– I love it. But
[46:25] Speaker 1: we can get back to the second part of your
[46:27] Speaker 1: experience in Borneo.
[46:30] Speaker 3: Yes.
[46:31] Speaker 2: So the second part of it.
[46:32] Speaker 3: So– My student gets there in the morning and I'm like,
[46:35] Speaker 3: I'm like bloodshot eyes.
[46:38] Speaker 2: I'm just, I I'm so freaking done, man. I'm so
[46:42] Speaker 2: freaking tired.
[46:44] Speaker 3: And, and so my student gets there and I explained
[46:47] Speaker 3: to him what happened. He's like, Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah.
[46:50] Speaker 2: John just like, he's just, he couldn't really take in
[46:57] Speaker 2: the whole situation. So I.
[47:02] Speaker 3: Said, we need to find out more about this house.
[47:04] Speaker 3: This is now something that needs to be addressed. And
[47:07] Speaker 3: the neighbors were outside. The neighbors in the house next
[47:11] Speaker 3: door were outside. And so I asked him to ask
[47:15] Speaker 3: the neighbors. And he was talking to the neighbors across
[47:19] Speaker 3: the fence. And they wouldn't come over to the side
[47:23] Speaker 3: of the yard where the house was. And what I
[47:27] Speaker 3: noticed was kind of interesting was– They had two Chinese
[47:32] Speaker 3: Buddhist altars on this side of the house facing where
[47:36] Speaker 3: we were.
[47:38] Speaker 2: But nothing on the other side of the house.
[47:40] Speaker 3: Also, the grass was much drier on the side of
[47:44] Speaker 3: the house where we were. And they were watering and
[47:47] Speaker 3: they were on the other side of the house and
[47:48] Speaker 3: that grass looked better.
[47:50] Speaker 2: And they were saying, we don't come.
[47:51] Speaker 3: Over to that side of the house. And the only
[47:54] Speaker 3: thing they would tell him was that is a bad house.
[47:58] Speaker 3: But they wouldn't go into detail. So they clearly knew something.
[48:03] Speaker 3: So then my student contacts the homeowner afterwards. But before
[48:12] Speaker 3: he contacted the homeowner, he's like, oh, yeah, like there's
[48:16] Speaker 3: something I should tell you about Keningau, the city that
[48:18] Speaker 3: we're in. And I'm like, of course, of course, there's
[48:23] Speaker 3: some hidden lore here. The area specifically that we were in.
[48:29] Speaker 3: was a village of shamans.
[48:32] Speaker 2: At one point.
[48:35] Speaker 3: And in all of Keningau, this was an area where
[48:40] Speaker 3: shamans from other parts of Sabah, the indigenous area that
[48:44] Speaker 3: we were in, this part of the country, right? People
[48:48] Speaker 3: would come from all over Sabah to this area of
[48:52] Speaker 3: Keningau to come and see these shamans for different remedies
[48:55] Speaker 3: and things, for protection, for help, et cetera. And this
[49:01] Speaker 3: house was built on top of the shaman's graveyard.
[49:07] Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
[49:09] Speaker 3: So not only are we on literal poltergeist, like the movie,
[49:13] Speaker 3: if anyone remembers the old movie, Poltergeist. Not only are
[49:17] Speaker 3: we in a house that was built on a grave,
[49:21] Speaker 3: a native burial ground, but a shaman burial ground. Not
[49:28] Speaker 3: only that … But why did these shamans die? Because
[49:33] Speaker 3: during World War II, there was a massacre and a
[49:36] Speaker 3: genocide that happened from the Japanese in Keningau where they
[49:41] Speaker 3: murdered almost the entire village. Wow. In the area that
[49:47] Speaker 3: we were, on the ground that we were standing was
[49:51] Speaker 3: a mass murder site and a mass burial ground.
[49:58] Speaker 1: Well, if that doesn't attract a demon, I don't.
[50:01] Speaker 2: Know what would.
[50:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[50:04] Speaker 2: Wow.
[50:06] Speaker 1: So what did you end up doing? Were you able
[50:08] Speaker 1: to resolve anything?
[50:10] Speaker 3: Yes. So there was a graveyard behind the house that
[50:16] Speaker 3: was the original, like, historic graveyard where they buried people.
[50:24] Speaker 2: Not the burial grounds.
[50:27] Speaker 3: The house is built on top of where bodies were
[50:29] Speaker 3: just piled and then buried.
[50:31] Speaker 1: Right.
[50:31] Speaker 2: So, so the, the old actual graveyard, the traditional graveyard
[50:36] Speaker 2: was in the jungle.
[50:39] Speaker 3: Um, there's a video releasing, uh, on, on my Patreon
[50:44] Speaker 3: in a few months that covers this and that is
[50:48] Speaker 3: from that case. But, um, so what, what happened was, uh,
[50:53] Speaker 3: you know, the, the, the night after, um, I ended
[50:56] Speaker 3: up getting some good sleep in a non haunted hotel.
[50:59] Speaker 2: That was great.
[51:01] Speaker 3: And, and then I told my student like, like, like, uh,
[51:05] Speaker 3: you know, like some kind of sick junkie.
[51:06] Speaker 2: I was like, we got to go back, man. I
[51:09] Speaker 2: hate it, man.
[51:14] Speaker 3: I hate it. Sometimes I hate my job. So like
[51:18] Speaker 3: we had to go back and I was like, we
[51:19] Speaker 3: got to find that graveyard and we got to go
[51:22] Speaker 3: there because another thing that we found out was that, um,
[51:27] Speaker 3: And then this is through like, you have to, you
[51:29] Speaker 3: have to keep in mind, like we're not in a
[51:31] Speaker 3: metropolitan city. Like we're in a place where you go
[51:34] Speaker 3: to a random restaurant across town and you probably know
[51:38] Speaker 3: somebody there, you know, like, like this is like village life.
[51:43] Speaker 3: And so, um, so he, so he told me like, oh,
[51:47] Speaker 3: I'd been doing some talking around and he's like, so
[51:49] Speaker 3: apparently there was like talk, like there was like a
[51:53] Speaker 3: local lore of.
[51:55] Speaker 2: Some type of thing.
[51:56] Speaker 3: That preyed on people and the shamans, you know, like
[52:02] Speaker 3: made it go away. And the ancestors of these shamans, um,
[52:08] Speaker 3: you know, uh, would, would go to this graveyard and
[52:11] Speaker 3: they would, they would pray to the ancestors and, and
[52:14] Speaker 3: this like kept everything in check. But then people stopped
[52:19] Speaker 3: visiting that graveyard. And that graveyard got overrun with bramble
[52:26] Speaker 3: and bushes and all this type of stuff.
[52:28] Speaker 2: It became abandoned.
[52:30] Speaker 3: And then now we have all this phenomena happening in
[52:34] Speaker 3: this house in the area where they said the thing
[52:39] Speaker 3: that they kept away was originally sleeping. So this thing
[52:45] Speaker 3: existed before.
[52:48] Speaker 2: But the blood of the natives... reawakened it.
[52:53] Speaker 3: And the abandoning of the cultural traditions allowed it to
[52:58] Speaker 3: run free and i couldn't leave that as it was
[53:04] Speaker 3: so so we went into the freaking jungle um already
[53:12] Speaker 3: had dengue once that's a whole other side chapter and
[53:16] Speaker 3: Almost died from dengue fever. Get your vaccines, people. International
[53:21] Speaker 3: travel is not a joke. Yeah, I had a fever
[53:25] Speaker 3: so bad I was hallucinating. It lasted for like nine days.
[53:29] Speaker 3: I almost died from dengue.
[53:31] Speaker 2: That was terrible. So I'm like, I'm getting bit by bugs.
[53:36] Speaker 2: We're in the thick of it. I've got my girlfriend
[53:39] Speaker 2: with Chinese uncle.
[53:40] Speaker 3: It's like just one of these older friends. Chinese guys.
[53:45] Speaker 2: We, we just, we call them uncle. They're all uncle.
[53:48] Speaker 2: You don't need, you're not even related to him, but
[53:49] Speaker 2: they're all uncle.
[53:51] Speaker 3: So, so uncle was with my girlfriend and then I'm
[53:54] Speaker 3: with Vasu and Kang who are, who are my students. And, um, and,
[54:00] Speaker 3: and we're, and we'll go in there and then, uh, and,
[54:02] Speaker 3: and we're, we're starting to do the, the exorcism on land. And, uh,
[54:08] Speaker 3: you could see something moving in the bamboo and, and,
[54:14] Speaker 3: If you're not familiar with the way bamboo grows, so
[54:19] Speaker 3: in areas where bamboo kind of is overrun, it's real thick.
[54:22] Speaker 3: You can't run through where bamboo is growing. It grows
[54:26] Speaker 3: very clustered together and very thick. So there's this area
[54:30] Speaker 3: where the bamboo is really thick.
[54:33] Speaker 2: You can't walk through there.
[54:35] Speaker 3: We're talking inches of space between each bamboo stalk. And
[54:40] Speaker 3: something is running around.
[54:41] Speaker 2: You can see it. You can see the shadow running
[54:44] Speaker 2: around through the bamboo.
[54:47] Speaker 3: And you can.
[54:48] Speaker 2: Feel it, man. You can feel the malevolence.
[54:52] Speaker 3: And then my student starts telling me like he's not
[54:55] Speaker 3: feeling well. And this thing tried to force possess him
[55:00] Speaker 3: right there. And I'm like, oh, hell no.
[55:02] Speaker 2: Not my student.
[55:04] Speaker 3: Not today, Satan. So like we snap him out of it.
[55:09] Speaker 3: And then. one of the branches on a tree snaps
[55:14] Speaker 3: and comes down on the road, blocking where our car was.
[55:18] Speaker 2: We had to move it to actually leave later.
[55:20] Speaker 3: And it was like, it was a pretty big branch
[55:23] Speaker 3: just snapped, landed right on the road, blocked the car
[55:27] Speaker 3: in where the car was on the road. And we're
[55:29] Speaker 3: already in the jungle. So it's like, okay, so you're
[55:31] Speaker 3: telling us we can't leave. All right.
[55:33] Speaker 2: And then, and, and, and it got darker.
[55:36] Speaker 3: It got, it got, it was already dark outside, but like,
[55:40] Speaker 3: like how do you describe darker than dark? You know
[55:43] Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, like what is more pitch black
[55:46] Speaker 3: than pitch black? And keep in mind, like I said,
[55:49] Speaker 3: we're in a village. So there's not street lights. There's
[55:52] Speaker 3: not ambient light from building. Like it's dark, dude. Like
[55:56] Speaker 3: we have what you can see from the night sky
[55:59] Speaker 3: and that's it.
[56:00] Speaker 2: And it wasn't like a.
[56:01] Speaker 3: Full moon that night. So like, you know, it was
[56:04] Speaker 3: pretty dim out to begin with. And it just got
[56:07] Speaker 3: like darker. Like someone cast a shadow over the sky.
[56:11] Speaker 3: And we're going through the whole exorcism on the land.
[56:15] Speaker 3: And then eventually we start to feel things get lighter.
[56:17] Speaker 3: And then what was crazy was the Warrens talk about this,
[56:22] Speaker 3: Ed and Lorraine Warren. They talk about this, they call
[56:27] Speaker 3: it the black veil. So the black veil was lifted.
[56:31] Speaker 3: And it actually, like at that turning point in the
[56:34] Speaker 3: exorcism on the land, it actually got lighter outside.
[56:40] Speaker 2: As if it was like dawn.
[56:42] Speaker 3: Like you could actually see in front of you, whereas
[56:45] Speaker 3: before you couldn't see in front of your freaking hand.
[56:48] Speaker 2: And so like it was crazy. It was noticeably different.
[56:52] Speaker 2: We were hearing voices.
[56:55] Speaker 3: Something was trying to pretend to be somebody that was hurt.
[56:59] Speaker 3: Like I heard what sounded like a man like moaning,
[57:03] Speaker 3: like like he needed help.
[57:04] Speaker 2: And I'm not stupid.
[57:06] Speaker 3: Dude, I've played this game.
[57:09] Speaker 2: I know this game. Plus, also, no thank you.
[57:12] Speaker 3: You're in an area of the woods where people cannot
[57:15] Speaker 3: physically possibly walk. And you're going to really try to
[57:18] Speaker 3: play the game where you're an injured man needing help?
[57:21] Speaker 2: No, we're not playing this game.
[57:22] Speaker 3: No thank you. So we get through it all. And
[57:26] Speaker 3: then we stopped it. To a point where this thing
[57:32] Speaker 3: is ancient, man.
[57:34] Speaker 2: So I've got it binded now.
[57:36] Speaker 3: I'm going back out there in November to try to
[57:39] Speaker 3: finish it off or at least put it in a
[57:41] Speaker 3: hibernating type of state.
[57:44] Speaker 2: I'm still not.
[57:45] Speaker 3: Done with this case.
[57:48] Speaker 1: That's so wild.
[57:49] Speaker 2: That's the Ken and Gal exorcism case.
[57:51] Speaker 1: Damn. Well, we've got time for the Mr. Smiley story.
[57:56] Speaker 1: We might have to do a little bit of overtime
[57:58] Speaker 1: for this one, but let's hear about this one.
[58:02] Speaker 3: Okay. So.
[58:05] Speaker 1: And where would this take place?
[58:09] Speaker 3: It was in California, but then it moved to Iowa.
[58:16] Speaker 3: All names are changed in this case. This is still
[58:19] Speaker 3: an ongoing case, but we've got it in a point
[58:24] Speaker 3: right now.
[58:24] Speaker 2: Oh, God, this is traumatizing me a little bit.
[58:28] Speaker 3: So I'm going to show you what I'm looking at
[58:30] Speaker 3: and why I just said this is traumatizing me a
[58:33] Speaker 3: little bit.
[58:35] Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
[58:36] Speaker 1: That's wild. So for those in the audience that are
[58:40] Speaker 1: listening on the audio side, what is that, nail clippers?
[58:43] Speaker 2: It's a pair of nail clippers.
[58:45] Speaker 1: He held up a pair of nail clippers, which I'm
[58:48] Speaker 1: sure you didn't realize, but it had a huge smiley
[58:51] Speaker 1: face on it right as we're starting to talk about this.
[58:55] Speaker 2: Okay, so this.
[58:57] Speaker 3: Case, let's say Laura. Laura is a woman who was
[59:03] Speaker 3: being afflicted more so her family was being afflicted with
[59:09] Speaker 3: a very dark, entity. And let's call this other woman,
[59:19] Speaker 3: let's call her Maria. So Maria contacts me after seeing
[59:24] Speaker 3: me on a podcast, much like this one. And Maria says, hey,
[59:30] Speaker 3: You do like the banishing of bad, evil things, right?
[59:34] Speaker 3: My friend is being plagued right now by an evil entity.
[59:40] Speaker 3: And I would love if you could help her. She's
[59:44] Speaker 3: my best friend in the world. And she's too ashamed
[59:48] Speaker 3: to reach out and ask for help. If I put
[59:52] Speaker 3: you in contact with her, can you help her?
[59:54] Speaker 2: I said, yeah, sure. That's fine. So Maria puts me.
[59:58] Speaker 3: In, in, in contact with, uh, what's the saying? I said, Laura. Yeah. So,
[1:00:03] Speaker 3: so Maria puts me in contact with Laura. So I
[1:00:07] Speaker 3: reached out to Laura and Laura's like, Oh my God,
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: you're not going to believe what is happening. So I said,
[1:00:15] Speaker 3: try me. So she proceeds to share a bunch of
[1:00:21] Speaker 3: videos caught on her ring camera of like objects, falling over,
[1:00:28] Speaker 3: flying into walls, um, disembodied voices, all kinds of stuff.
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: At this point, two of her cats have died of illnesses. Well,
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: they had, they had to be put down, um, because
[1:00:41] Speaker 3: they were in such an extreme state of suffering. They
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: were all healthy.
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: They moved into this house and then, um, she had
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: five cats.
[1:00:49] Speaker 3: So, so three of them total, but, but at this
[1:00:52] Speaker 3: point in the story, two of them were already dead. Um,
[1:00:56] Speaker 3: And they had these boils that developed on their stomachs.
[1:01:00] Speaker 3: They had fluid swelling in their stomachs. And they couldn't eat.
[1:01:05] Speaker 3: And they were behaving very bizarrely. She had them taken
[1:01:08] Speaker 3: to vets. The vets tested them for all kinds of things,
[1:01:11] Speaker 3: did all kinds of tests. The vets could not explain
[1:01:14] Speaker 3: why these cats had this type of disease that they
[1:01:17] Speaker 3: couldn't even name.
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: They didn't know what was happening to these cats.
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: And ultimately, because the cats were suffering so badly- They
[1:01:26] Speaker 3: had to put the cats down. And so she's calling
[1:01:31] Speaker 3: me at this point, you know, shared all of this
[1:01:35] Speaker 3: information with me and then proceeds to tell me that
[1:01:39] Speaker 3: she believes all of the activity is centered around her
[1:01:42] Speaker 3: teenage daughter. So we talked to her teenage daughter. Let's
[1:01:48] Speaker 3: call her Sarah.
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: She has three kids.
[1:01:54] Speaker 3: But Sarah's the oldest. Sarah's like 15, 16 years old.
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: And Sarah proceeds to describe how she played with a
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: Ouija board with some friends. And ever since she played
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: with that Ouija board.
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: A man, a.
[1:02:14] Speaker 3: Humanoid, not an actual man, but a man-like being with
[1:02:20] Speaker 3: razor-sharp teeth like a shark surrounding his whole mouth and huge, like,
[1:02:27] Speaker 3: like dinner plate for eyes, just like big white eyes
[1:02:31] Speaker 3: with black pupils, just like a kind of face dressed
[1:02:36] Speaker 3: in a suit. Mr.
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: Smiley, he called himself, presented himself to her. And at first, Mr.
[1:02:46] Speaker 3: Smiley wanted to help her because she was depressed. She's like, you're,
[1:02:52] Speaker 3: stereotypical type of goth girl teenager, right?
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: So it was appearing like an imaginary friend to her?
[1:03:00] Speaker 2: She never got the impression it was an imaginary friend.
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: She knew Mr. Smiley was real.
[1:03:06] Speaker 3: Wow. But at first, Mr. Smiley would say encouraging things
[1:03:11] Speaker 3: to her. He would tell her, those other kids are stupid.
[1:03:15] Speaker 3: They don't get how smart you are. They don't see
[1:03:17] Speaker 3: how funny you are.
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: They don't get you like I do.
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: Wow.
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: And so Mr. Smiley built up rapport with her. But
[1:03:27] Speaker 2: then Mr.
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: Smiley started asking her to cut herself. She was never
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: a cutter before. And Mr. Smiley started getting her to
[1:03:39] Speaker 3: play fun games of pinch your sister.
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: Make your sister cry.
[1:03:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:03:44] Speaker 2: Scare your sister.
[1:03:47] Speaker 3: And then it escalated to her having no recollection of memory.
[1:03:53] Speaker 3: Her eyes being glazed over and her standing over her
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: mother asleep, holding a knife over the bed. Oh, shit.
[1:04:02] Speaker 3: Mother waking up, being completely terrified, asking.
[1:04:06] Speaker 2: What are you doing? What are you doing? Only for
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: the knife to drop on the floor.
[1:04:10] Speaker 3: And her daughter dropping down to her knees, crying, asking
[1:04:14] Speaker 3: and begging, what's happening?
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: What happened, mommy? What happened?
[1:04:18] Speaker 3: Hmm. Damn. In conjunction with paranormal phenomena now kicking off
[1:04:25] Speaker 3: in the house where this family had never experienced paranormal
[1:04:28] Speaker 3: phenomena before. And now everybody sleeps in the same bed
[1:04:32] Speaker 3: and everybody's terrified.
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: Including the boyfriend.
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: Then it escalated to the point where the boyfriend started
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: having episodes where he couldn't remember things, but he would
[1:04:47] Speaker 3: beat the living crap out.
[1:04:48] Speaker 2: Of his girlfriend.
[1:04:50] Speaker 3: Only to then apologize after having never been abusive ever
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: before in the relationship. And then over a period of
[1:04:58] Speaker 3: three months, rapidly deteriorating, becoming verbally abusive, physically abusive, never
[1:05:05] Speaker 3: having been dependent upon alcohol before, and then becoming an
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: abusive alcoholic.
[1:05:12] Speaker 2: Who would go and.
[1:05:12] Speaker 3: Spend time in the garage and talk to somebody who
[1:05:16] Speaker 3: was his buddy who wasn't there, that nobody else could see.
[1:05:20] Speaker 3: but his buddy would tell him how much of a
[1:05:22] Speaker 3: bitch his girlfriend was and how she needed.
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: To be taught a lesson.
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: Damn.
[1:05:29] Speaker 3: Damn. That's where I entered this situation. I got so
[1:05:37] Speaker 3: emotionally invested that I cried with this family. It was intense.
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: We worked on this for several months and then eventually
[1:05:54] Speaker 3: we got it under control. We saw a real turning point.
[1:05:57] Speaker 3: We saw a huge reduction in phenomena. We didn't see
[1:06:00] Speaker 3: any more possessive episodes. Ultimately, the relationship was ruined. The
[1:06:04] Speaker 3: boyfriend had to be moved out and that relationship ended.
[1:06:09] Speaker 3: But the family, the girls and the mother were safe.
[1:06:14] Speaker 3: And then because everything was fine, I stopped checking in
[1:06:21] Speaker 3: on them.
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: Normally when I have clients.
[1:06:24] Speaker 3: That things are not fine, they continually let me know
[1:06:27] Speaker 3: things are not fine.
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:06:29] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:06:29] Speaker 2: But some time passed and then eventually Maria.
[1:06:38] Speaker 3: Contacts me again and she's like, Hey, Laura's still not okay,
[1:06:45] Speaker 3: but she's hiding it from you. Can you please check
[1:06:49] Speaker 3: in on her again? I said, I thought we helped Laura.
[1:06:55] Speaker 3: She hasn't been messaging me. Only for me to find
[1:06:59] Speaker 3: out when I reach out to Laura. On the freaking
[1:07:03] Speaker 3: video call, man, I see the bandaged arm. I see
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: the scars. Entity had jumped from the daughter to her.
[1:07:16] Speaker 3: And she had two separate episodes where she picked up
[1:07:20] Speaker 3: a knife and proceeded to brutally stab herself.
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: With a knife.
[1:07:26] Speaker 3: Coming out of the episode, covered in blood and extreme pain,
[1:07:31] Speaker 3: freaking out, not understanding or remembering what just happened, and
[1:07:37] Speaker 3: absolutely terrified at the thought that it had to have
[1:07:41] Speaker 3: been her and there was no explanation other than she
[1:07:45] Speaker 3: stabbed herself.
[1:07:47] Speaker 2: And the fear that it could happen again.
[1:07:48] Speaker 3: And then it freaking did.
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: So then I get called back in. We do a session.
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: It's happened recently. We did a recent session.
[1:08:04] Speaker 3: And. Thing freaking manifested.
[1:08:09] Speaker 2: As a shadow. In video call.
[1:08:12] Speaker 3: Behind her.
[1:08:15] Speaker 2: I took quite a hit. on that session with her.
[1:08:18] Speaker 3: I had flu-like symptoms for three days afterwards, which, you know,
[1:08:23] Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, ladies and gentlemen, that is
[1:08:25] Speaker 3: quite mild for what I have seen. I've had my
[1:08:28] Speaker 3: appendix exploded by an entity. I had to have emergency surgery.
[1:08:32] Speaker 3: It really fucking happened. I've been levitated and thrown into
[1:08:37] Speaker 3: a wall, had ribs cracked. I have had my heart
[1:08:41] Speaker 3: physically stopped when I was in my 20s.
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: I'm in my mid-30s now. I actually flatlined. I died
[1:08:48] Speaker 2: and I was brought back.
[1:08:52] Speaker 3: I've been in a mental institution twice at episodic few
[1:08:57] Speaker 3: state amnesia where I couldn't remember.
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: My life i couldn't remember.
[1:09:01] Speaker 3: Who i was i was literally committed for a period
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: of two weeks in a mental institution after a demonic
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: case that i took i like i have i have
[1:09:10] Speaker 3: bled i have you know sweat i've had tears i
[1:09:15] Speaker 3: put i've i've put more than than people can imagine
[1:09:18] Speaker 3: in into this. And then, uh, for, for anybody who
[1:09:23] Speaker 3: wants to know, no, this job does not pay well.
[1:09:27] Speaker 2: My, my, my paranormal exorcism work is free. It's charity work.
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: I make my money teaching students and selling amulets and
[1:09:36] Speaker 3: through my subscriptions to like my Patreon, right?
[1:09:40] Speaker 2: I don't make any money at all through my paranormal work.
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: That is all free.
[1:09:44] Speaker 3: It will always be free. And then the way the,
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: the reason why I rationalize that is, is one of
[1:09:48] Speaker 3: my teachers told me, he said, you, you, you call,
[1:09:51] Speaker 3: you call the, uh, the fire department, your house is
[1:09:54] Speaker 3: on fire. You know, your, your, your baby's trapped in
[1:09:57] Speaker 3: the other room. And, and, and, and what, what, what
[1:09:59] Speaker 3: do they say? They ask you for the address, right?
[1:10:02] Speaker 3: And they say that the fire department's on the way
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: at any point. Do they ask you for your credit
[1:10:07] Speaker 3: card number? The fire department shows up and they put
[1:10:11] Speaker 3: out the fire and that's how this should be as well.
[1:10:15] Speaker 3: I don't ask for any money when I help somebody
[1:10:17] Speaker 3: with a paranormal situation, you know, that involves, you know,
[1:10:22] Speaker 3: somebody's safety or well-being being in jeopardy or danger.
[1:10:26] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:10:27] Speaker 3: So, you know, in saying that I got, you know,
[1:10:33] Speaker 3: flu like symptoms for three days, like I'll freaking take it, man.
[1:10:37] Speaker 2: That that was nothing. That was nothing.
[1:10:40] Speaker 3: But like she experienced the exact same as well. And
[1:10:43] Speaker 3: then we have another session lined up. We've got things
[1:10:47] Speaker 3: already kicked back down. So like this is already progress.
[1:10:51] Speaker 3: So so for anybody that's wondering like, oh, like you
[1:10:55] Speaker 3: kick down phenomena like you've gone in like, you know,
[1:10:59] Speaker 3: you have these situations with these with these possessions and
[1:11:02] Speaker 3: these hauntings like, well, what do you do? Well, the
[1:11:06] Speaker 3: first thing is I work on the client, not the home.
[1:11:10] Speaker 3: I address their trauma. That's a critical component here that
[1:11:16] Speaker 3: in most religious approaches they don't take. And that is
[1:11:22] Speaker 3: I look at the trauma of the person, the trauma
[1:11:24] Speaker 3: that they're holding, not even necessarily from this situation. We're
[1:11:27] Speaker 3: talking about their life, their existence, themselves, right? I address
[1:11:32] Speaker 3: the trauma in the person. I free them of their
[1:11:35] Speaker 3: trauma using methodologies of a Vedic background and of classic
[1:11:41] Speaker 3: Western hypnotherapy, Native American soul retrieval, Reiki, pranic energy healing,
[1:11:48] Speaker 3: et cetera. I use a broad sweep of different methodologies
[1:11:53] Speaker 3: and I address the trauma of the person.
[1:11:56] Speaker 2: And then what do I do? Then I empower, I teach.
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: And I embolden the client and I give them tools
[1:12:04] Speaker 3: and skills and I teach them how to use it.
[1:12:06] Speaker 2: And then we do it together. And we launch an
[1:12:09] Speaker 2: assault on the home together.
[1:12:12] Speaker 3: Then I give them upkeep and maintenance protocols that they
[1:12:16] Speaker 3: will do. And at any point, if it becomes beyond them,
[1:12:20] Speaker 3: I jump back in and I do the heavy lifting
[1:12:22] Speaker 3: for them. So for any that were curious or even
[1:12:25] Speaker 3: for yourself, the host, wondering what do you do that
[1:12:28] Speaker 3: helps these people? That's essentially it in a nutshell.
[1:12:32] Speaker 1: Would you say that most... of the infestations or demonic
[1:12:37] Speaker 1: inhabitants are caused because of a person's trauma?
[1:12:44] Speaker 2: Yes and no.
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: So what are some of the main causes of these infestations?
[1:12:51] Speaker 2: Some of the main causes are.
[1:12:55] Speaker 3: People that are in vibrational alignment and in the wrong
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: place at the right time. So Let's say I have
[1:13:05] Speaker 3: severe trauma and I'm naturally just a depressed person or
[1:13:11] Speaker 3: I have a lot of triggers. And I'm not saying
[1:13:14] Speaker 3: this as a negative to anybody that has a therapist
[1:13:17] Speaker 3: or needs medications. I'm just saying this as a composition
[1:13:22] Speaker 3: of what is a prime ingredient for this type of
[1:13:25] Speaker 3: relationship to occur.
[1:13:27] Speaker 2: So somebody that is naturally in.
[1:13:29] Speaker 3: A lower state mentally and vibrationally. and they go to
[1:13:35] Speaker 3: an area where these things could naturally be found or encountered,
[1:13:40] Speaker 3: it's not uncommon for something to latch onto you there.
[1:13:45] Speaker 3: That is a common occurrence of how this happens. The
[1:13:49] Speaker 3: second is generally what I call the FAFO, right? And
[1:13:55] Speaker 3: we all know what that means.
[1:13:58] Speaker 2: So that would be.
[1:13:59] Speaker 3: I played with a Ouija board. I, I found a
[1:14:03] Speaker 3: ritual for summoning a demon and oh my God, it
[1:14:07] Speaker 3: actually summoned a demon. No way. Like, you know, like,
[1:14:11] Speaker 3: like you, you do something and you get a result
[1:14:14] Speaker 3: and then you're surprised. So like that, that is like, honestly,
[1:14:19] Speaker 3: like if I were to look at it, like from
[1:14:21] Speaker 3: my career in over a thousand cases working in the paranormal,
[1:14:26] Speaker 3: a majority of the cases I have taken actually involved
[1:14:31] Speaker 3: people playing with Ouija boards or doing something haphazardly in
[1:14:36] Speaker 3: a occult sense where they did not have the adequate
[1:14:40] Speaker 3: level or ability or understanding in what they were doing.
[1:14:43] Speaker 3: The majority of my cases come from that.
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: Not all of them.
[1:14:49] Speaker 3: But the majority of my cases came from that. People
[1:14:53] Speaker 3: brought it on themselves. And that doesn't mean they intentionally did.
[1:14:57] Speaker 3: But unintentionally, they opened that damn door.
[1:15:01] Speaker 1: To close out, have you noticed any changes in frequency
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: of possessions or infestations, especially here in the United States
[1:15:12] Speaker 1: with the ease of access of social media? They have
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: your TikTok witch phenomena. People learning about all these occult
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: practices right now becoming more interested. Have you noticed an
[1:15:23] Speaker 1: uptick recently?
[1:15:26] Speaker 3: I have. And it's because we've gone too digital too fast.
[1:15:32] Speaker 3: And because of that, you know, the individual does not
[1:15:41] Speaker 3: realize what they're stepping into. They do not have the
[1:15:46] Speaker 3: appropriate understanding. And they just have pure exposure, but not understandings.
[1:15:53] Speaker 3: And we also live in an increasing, like especially in
[1:15:56] Speaker 3: the US, the culture increasingly is me, me, me, me, me, right?
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: So it's not about us.
[1:16:03] Speaker 2: It's not about the tribe anymore. It's about the individual.
[1:16:06] Speaker 3: And that isolation in and of itself is a breeding
[1:16:09] Speaker 3: ground for separating. And what I've noticed in comparison, because
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: I'm in Vietnam right now, and I've spent the past
[1:16:18] Speaker 3: several years living in Thailand, And I've traveled Nepal, Sri Lanka.
[1:16:22] Speaker 3: I've been all over like 36 countries. And what I
[1:16:29] Speaker 3: can tell you that I've seen specifically in Southeast Asia,
[1:16:33] Speaker 3: where the spirituality is embedded in your everyday culture, like
[1:16:37] Speaker 3: we have like the Sanpakum, which are little spirit houses,
[1:16:40] Speaker 3: which are everywhere.
[1:16:41] Speaker 2: You see them everywhere in Thailand, right?
[1:16:43] Speaker 3: So what I can tell you from my observations in
[1:16:47] Speaker 3: comparison is, Your average individual in Thailand grows up with
[1:16:53] Speaker 3: ghost stories. They grow up with community understandings and guidelines
[1:16:58] Speaker 3: for what is appropriate behavior and things that can bring
[1:17:01] Speaker 3: something that should not be brought. You also have an
[1:17:05] Speaker 3: abundance of people like me, a John's Lucy monks who
[1:17:10] Speaker 3: offer service that can help people and that are easily
[1:17:15] Speaker 3: accessible to And everyone knows someone that they can call
[1:17:18] Speaker 3: if something happens.
[1:17:20] Speaker 2: There is the difference in this culture over here.
[1:17:23] Speaker 3: In this side of the world of taboos of things
[1:17:26] Speaker 3: we don't do and what to do if we've messed
[1:17:30] Speaker 3: around and it is time to find out.
[1:17:32] Speaker 2: In the U.S., I do not see that.
[1:17:35] Speaker 1: It's very unfortunate, and I can see how that can
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: cause a lot of issues for people that are even
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: dabbling with some of this stuff. Sadhu, this was great.
[1:17:45] Speaker 1: We'll have to do this again sooner than last time
[1:17:48] Speaker 1: for sure. Before I let you go, if people are
[1:17:51] Speaker 1: interested in utilizing your services, finding out more about you,
[1:17:54] Speaker 1: what's the best way they should do so?
[1:17:57] Speaker 3: It would be at my website where you can find
[1:18:00] Speaker 3: my Patreon, my YouTube, my Etsy shop, all of my
[1:18:05] Speaker 3: services online.
[1:18:06] Speaker 2: Et cetera.
[1:18:06] Speaker 3: And that's www.thesadudah.com. T-H-E-S-A-D-H-U-D-A-H.com. Perfect.
[1:18:17] Speaker 1: I'll have the link accessible for everyone easily in the description. Sadu,
[1:18:21] Speaker 1: thank you so much. We'll do it again. And until
[1:18:23] Speaker 1: next time, everyone have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.
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