# Julie Lavender | Quest For Wonder, Navigating Satan's Little Season, Children's Books of Truth

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 19 Oct 2026, 1 h 15 min.

Audio: https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/api.spreaker.com/download/episode/75864216/fknepisodesjlav_hd_720p_medium_fr30_19102026.mp3

Julie's links www.thequestforwonder.com IG https://www.instagram.com/julielavenderledoux/ FB https://www.facebook.com/julielavenderledoux X https://x.com/JLavenderLeDoux www.julielavender.com Forbidden Knowledge Network https://forbiddenknowledge.news/ FKN Link Tree https://linktr.ee/FKNlinks Make a Donation to Forbidden Knowledge News https://www.paypal.me/forbiddenknowledgene https://buymeacoffee.com/forbidden FKN Merch! https://galactecfire.com/fkn/ Get C60 Power now! https://go.shopc60.com/3J67C/KMKS9/ Code: FORBIDDEN10 Grow your own miracle mushrooms https://bfgenetics.com/?srsltid=AU7gw4XZeSKkn76hIYUMtfPuW4xo3Ld8jC92ijd1Ja70KgbA3ZNegFHH Use code FKN10 at checkout to get 10% off your order! Full episode of Aliens & Angels here! https://www.spreaker.com/episode/s3-e-46-guy-anderson-the-tartaria-empire--75402440 Get access to every episode of The Quantum Guides Show, Aliens & Angels, & Unseen Nexus https://spreaker.page.link/3CPkxuXatK1LLJbp9 Forbidden Knowledge Network https://forbiddenknowledge.news/ We are back on YouTube! https://youtube.com/@forbiddenknowledgenews?si=XQhXCjteMKYNUJSj Backup channel https://youtube.com/@fknshow1?si=tIoIjpUGeSoRNaEs Doors of Perception is available now on Amazon Prime! https://watch.amazon.com/detail?gti=amzn1.dv.gti.8a60e6c7-678d-4502-b335-adfbb30697b8&ref_=atv_lp_share_mv&r=web Doors of Perception official trailer https://youtu.be/F-VJ01kMSII?si=Ee6xwtUONA18HNLZ Listen to Forbidden Knowledge News on clearair.fm every Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday 12:15pm CST https://clearair.fm/ Pick up Independent Media Token here https://www.independentmediatoken.com/ Be prepared for any emergency with Prep Starts Now! https://prepstartsnow.com/discount/FKN Start your microdosing journey with Brainsupreme Get 15% off your order here!! https://brainsupreme.co/FKN15 Book a free consultation with Jennifer Halcame Email jenniferhalcame@gmail.com Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61561665957079&mibextid=ZbWKwL Watch The Forbidden Documentary: Occult Louisiana on Tubi: https://link.tubi.tv/pGXW6chxCJb Johnny Larson's artwork https://www.patreon.com/JohnnyLarson Sign up on Rokfin! https://rokfin.com/fknplus Podcasts https://www.spreaker.com/show/forbidden Available on all platforms Support FKN on Spreaker https://spreaker.page.link/KoPgfbEq8kcsR5oj9 FKN ON Rumble https://rumble.com/c/FKNp Get Cory Hughes books! Lee Harvey Oswald In Black and White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FJ2PQJRM A Warning From History Audio book https://buymeacoffee.com/jfkbook/e/392579 https://www.buymeacoffee.com/jfkbook https://www.amazon.com/Warning-History-Cory-Hughes/dp/B0CL14VQY6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=72HEFZQA7TAP&keywords=a+warning+from+history+cory+hughes&qid=1698861279&sprefix=a+warning+fro%2Caps%2C121&sr=8-1 https://coryhughes.org/ Our Facebook pages https://www.facebook.com/forbiddenknowledgenewsconspiracy/ https://www.facebook.com/FKNNetwork/ Instagram @forbiddenknowledgenews1 @forbiddenknowledgenetwork X https://x.com/ForbiddenKnow10?t=uO5AqEtDuHdF9fXYtCUtfw&s=09 Email Forbidden Knowledge News forbiddenknowledgenews@gmail.com some music thanks to: https://www.bensound.com/ ULFAPO3OJSCGN8LD DGLBEYNSIXA6EMZJ 5FUXWYNC6WJNJKRS 8DH27IXE3D73E97D C6JMAFZLSZDGTWFI Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/forbidden-knowledge-news--3589233/support.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:03] Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
[0:07] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:09] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:13] Speaker 1: your host, Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Julie Lavender.
[0:17] Speaker 1: Check out my films, The Cult of Louisiana is on Tubi,
[0:19] Speaker 1: Doors of Perception on Amazon Prime. I am booking guests
[0:24] Speaker 1: for December. If you have suggestions or you'd like to
[0:27] Speaker 1: be a guest, email me, ForbiddenKnowledgeNews at gmail.com. Today I
[0:31] Speaker 1: want to welcome Julie Lavender. She is an author, storyteller, artist,
[0:36] Speaker 1: and jazz musician. Julie, welcome. How you doing?
[0:40] Speaker 2: I am doing great.
[0:42] Speaker 1: It's so great to have you, and I really love
[0:44] Speaker 1: the work that you're doing, bringing awareness to the true
[0:47] Speaker 1: nature of our systems and the corrupt nature of the
[0:51] Speaker 1: quote-unquote matrix to children through your amazing series of books.
[0:57] Speaker 1: They are really fun adventure series that use story and
[1:01] Speaker 1: metaphor to expose people like Anthony Fauci, the shadowy figures
[1:06] Speaker 1: behind him, the recent plandemic operation, the jibbity jab agendas,
[1:12] Speaker 1: even the World Economic Forum, Great Reset, weather warfare. This
[1:17] Speaker 1: is so amazing that we can bring this information to
[1:20] Speaker 1: children in a way that they can understand. Again, I
[1:24] Speaker 1: love what you're doing. Before we get into your work, though,
[1:27] Speaker 1: this is your first time on. Tell us a little
[1:29] Speaker 1: bit about yourself and let the audience know how they
[1:32] Speaker 1: can find more.
[1:34] Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've always been somebody who looked very
[1:38] Speaker 2: carefully at systems and results, and I think strategically. So
[1:43] Speaker 2: for many, many years, long before I had kids or,
[1:47] Speaker 2: you know, just in any environment I've been in since
[1:49] Speaker 2: probably high school, I've looked around and thought about outcomes
[1:54] Speaker 2: and stood back to make decisions and to align myself
[1:59] Speaker 2: and to, with, with ideas and faith and people who
[2:06] Speaker 2: were willing to be different, who were willing to pay
[2:09] Speaker 2: a price for something that was going to last over time,
[2:13] Speaker 2: that was going to be rock solid versus just being
[2:16] Speaker 2: pressured to be with a certain people group or, you know,
[2:20] Speaker 2: my church group or this group or that group. But
[2:22] Speaker 2: what would, what would it really take to, to come
[2:25] Speaker 2: into the fullness we were created for in every way.
[2:28] Speaker 2: And so that was kind of a, you know, I
[2:30] Speaker 2: had a lot, a lot of trauma to overcome along
[2:33] Speaker 2: the way to that. But the minute I started having kids,
[2:36] Speaker 2: it really became, it became super real because I, I
[2:39] Speaker 2: didn't find too many people whose kids weren't turning out
[2:43] Speaker 2: angry and confused and, and alienated. And it seemed like
[2:48] Speaker 2: everybody was saying, well, that's just teen. That's just how
[2:51] Speaker 2: it is. That's just how it is. That's just how
[2:53] Speaker 2: it is. And, you know, I picked up on some
[2:55] Speaker 2: level that that was programming. Before, long before I was
[3:00] Speaker 2: asking any of the questions I'm asking now about the
[3:03] Speaker 2: architecture of population control, population diminishment, and the way we're
[3:09] Speaker 2: all being sort of trained as pets, you know, I
[3:12] Speaker 2: think we're meant to be a race of pets for
[3:16] Speaker 2: a ruling class. I mean, if you really think about it,
[3:20] Speaker 2: they want us docile little animals they can observe and
[3:22] Speaker 2: be entertained by and do some work for them. And
[3:25] Speaker 2: if there's too many of us, then, then we have
[3:28] Speaker 2: to be 86. Yeah, that's yeah.
[3:32] Speaker 3: Right.
[3:32] Speaker 2: But I mean, I think we're cuter than most cows.
[3:35] Speaker 2: So I like to think of myself, you know, I'm
[3:39] Speaker 2: pretty cute. And so, you know, I began to really
[3:43] Speaker 2: think about these things and notice programming. And I noticed
[3:47] Speaker 2: it first within systems of schooling and family and even
[3:51] Speaker 2: church because I'm a Christian and, And so I'm very
[3:54] Speaker 2: serious about that. That's central to everything I do. But
[3:57] Speaker 2: I could see within systems of church who was programmed
[4:02] Speaker 2: to sort of do the expected things to be accepted
[4:08] Speaker 2: within a system without really shake anything, changing anything, really
[4:13] Speaker 2: dealing with root causes or raising kids that didn't wind
[4:17] Speaker 2: up with the same kinds of, and everybody just wrote
[4:20] Speaker 2: it off to, well, they're in high school. Well, the impurity. And,
[4:25] Speaker 2: you know, that just was not a good enough answer
[4:27] Speaker 2: for me because I knew there had to be something different.
[4:30] Speaker 2: So from the time we started schooling and stuff, I
[4:35] Speaker 2: was really pushing the boundaries until one day our kid
[4:38] Speaker 2: actually asked us if he could be homeschooled. And along
[4:41] Speaker 2: the way, you know, I'm working this. At first I
[4:44] Speaker 2: was like, no way, because homeschool moms, I don't relate
[4:47] Speaker 2: to any of them. See, I'm a jazz musician and
[4:50] Speaker 2: an artist and I have had a nationally syndicated jazz
[4:54] Speaker 2: radio show on NPR stations and well-traveled, been around the
[5:01] Speaker 2: world and interested in very creative people. And so I
[5:07] Speaker 2: didn't want to fit into another box of like maybe
[5:10] Speaker 2: homeschool moms and a real narrow thing. But you know what?
[5:14] Speaker 2: When your kid comes home and says, mom, can I
[5:16] Speaker 2: learn at home? Wow. So that began another whole journey of,
[5:20] Speaker 2: what's possible. And along the way, I realized how programmed
[5:24] Speaker 2: people are for the institution of school and why parents
[5:29] Speaker 2: are undermined at every level thinking they can't do it.
[5:32] Speaker 2: And they're undermined because they're programmed to think that they're
[5:37] Speaker 2: going to have behavior problems with their kids, that their
[5:39] Speaker 2: kids won't listen to them, that they can't do the
[5:41] Speaker 2: same thing, that they'll never be able to afford it,
[5:45] Speaker 2: that all the things. And if you really take everything
[5:48] Speaker 2: down to the studs, That's a funnel that we've been
[5:53] Speaker 2: funneled into to accept and to be afraid of being
[5:59] Speaker 2: the single most influential people in our kids' lives. And
[6:04] Speaker 2: I was noticing that people lost their kids by about
[6:06] Speaker 2: third grade if they were in consistent settings. And that's
[6:11] Speaker 2: a wake-up call because most people think they're just fine
[6:15] Speaker 2: because I went to the parent-teacher meeting and my kid's
[6:19] Speaker 2: not But your kid learns very early that they have
[6:25] Speaker 2: to survive six to eight hours without you in a
[6:27] Speaker 2: system where you are not present. And they are learning
[6:32] Speaker 2: micro slices taking place in their souls where they're making
[6:37] Speaker 2: choices about how to survive and what cues to take
[6:40] Speaker 2: and not take. Well, that set me up for a
[6:43] Speaker 2: lot of things. We wound up homeschooling, which was awesome.
[6:46] Speaker 2: And crazy and wacky. And one of our kids was
[6:51] Speaker 2: actually then abused by another homeschooler along the way. So
[6:55] Speaker 2: we went through trauma. It wasn't like some little, you know, utopia.
[6:59] Speaker 2: It was real life. And out of that, I started
[7:04] Speaker 2: writing a book series because I'm really interested in nonconformity
[7:09] Speaker 2: and how you raise kids that are resilient, happy to
[7:14] Speaker 2: be on the planet. Or the plane. I'm good with that.
[7:19] Speaker 2: I'm like, I haven't seen it myself, so I'm willing to.
[7:23] Speaker 2: I've left space. I've left it open. And so, you know,
[7:29] Speaker 2: it depends on when you want to talk about this
[7:30] Speaker 2: issue of nonconformity, because I can talk about it from
[7:33] Speaker 2: so many different areas of human experience as an artist,
[7:36] Speaker 2: you know, as a mom, as a person, as someone
[7:38] Speaker 2: getting healed, you know. But today, I'm really, really concerned
[7:42] Speaker 2: about the kids because we've got all these. Look at
[7:44] Speaker 2: what we've got now, Chris. You've got shows like yours.
[7:48] Speaker 2: You can go on YouTube and generally find all the
[7:51] Speaker 2: stuff that was banned in 2020.
[7:55] Speaker 1: Well, they're even allowing some of that stuff back. My
[7:57] Speaker 1: channel was banned for almost three years, and I'm back now.
[8:01] Speaker 2: I know. I was canceled because all the people who
[8:03] Speaker 2: shared my stuff got canceled. But the bottom line is
[8:05] Speaker 2: that So now we go, well, we're doing better. We're
[8:11] Speaker 2: doing good. We're reaching adults. People are asking questions. The
[8:15] Speaker 2: theories are turning out to be facts, you know, in
[8:18] Speaker 2: many cases. But when I go to conferences and hang
[8:22] Speaker 2: out with people like us, nobody has anything for the kids.
[8:25] Speaker 2: That's not dystopian. You know, there is a lot of
[8:29] Speaker 2: dystopian stuff out there. And there's a lot of witchcraft.
[8:33] Speaker 2: That is so uncreative. The whole idea that we're witches.
[8:38] Speaker 2: Or these entities that are going to beam into our
[8:41] Speaker 2: rooms and, you know, tell us how it really rolls.
[8:44] Speaker 2: And we're going to get into, you know, our personal
[8:46] Speaker 2: power and our yoga and our meditation. Dude, it's been done.
[8:50] Speaker 2: People have written about that stuff for centuries. There's no
[8:53] Speaker 2: new ideas there. It's the same story. It's the same story.
[8:58] Speaker 2: And it tends to be a way to insulate a soul,
[9:02] Speaker 2: to get it to numb out versus a young soul
[9:05] Speaker 2: versus to hide from trauma. Versus to come out and
[9:09] Speaker 2: be prepared to be part of the greatest awakening in
[9:12] Speaker 2: human history, which is what I do with my books.
[9:15] Speaker 1: That's great. I don't have children myself. My wife has
[9:20] Speaker 1: two boys and she did an amazing job raising them.
[9:24] Speaker 1: But I personally wouldn't know where to begin if I
[9:28] Speaker 1: was going to explain to a young child the true
[9:32] Speaker 1: nature of the reality that we're in. I don't want
[9:36] Speaker 1: to freak them out. I don't want them to start
[9:39] Speaker 1: wearing a tinfoil hat everywhere they go. And what would
[9:42] Speaker 1: be the best way to portray this reality in a
[9:47] Speaker 1: way that doesn't traumatize them? And your books are right there.
[9:51] Speaker 1: So again, I love what you're doing there. Were there
[9:55] Speaker 1: any other particular catalysts that brought you to start writing
[9:58] Speaker 1: the books? You mentioned that some of the themes cover
[10:01] Speaker 1: the COVID operation and Anthony Fauci. Was the COVID operation
[10:07] Speaker 1: something that changed a lot of perspectives or were you
[10:09] Speaker 1: aware before that?
[10:11] Speaker 2: Well, I had written, I'll just, I'm sure you have
[10:14] Speaker 2: some graphics maybe you can put up of my books,
[10:16] Speaker 2: but This one, is it backwards or is it forwards?
[10:19] Speaker 1: It's good. I can read it.
[10:20] Speaker 2: Okay. I was writing this book, Constance and the Battle
[10:23] Speaker 2: for Wonder in 2018-19. And this sets the tone for,
[10:28] Speaker 2: and then I'll kind of give you a little peek
[10:30] Speaker 2: into how the series really works. But this is about
[10:35] Speaker 2: one family. This is Constance and the Battle for Wonder.
[10:38] Speaker 2: It's book one in the Amazings series about a family
[10:42] Speaker 2: that's amazing because they interact with a supernatural realm called wonder. Which,
[10:46] Speaker 2: by the way, the realm of wonder is not just
[10:49] Speaker 2: an idea. It's real. This is real. Brains are healed
[10:53] Speaker 2: by wonder, by the way. Souls are returned to sanity
[10:58] Speaker 2: and hope through the experience of wonder. Now, where that
[11:02] Speaker 2: comes from, we can talk about, but it's totally real.
[11:05] Speaker 2: And in this book, it's about one family in an
[11:07] Speaker 2: entirely colorblind town. They can see color because they interact
[11:12] Speaker 2: with the realm of wonder. But everyone else conforms to
[11:16] Speaker 2: something called the prescribed order. And over time, if you
[11:20] Speaker 2: conform to the prescribed order, you lose your ability to
[11:24] Speaker 2: see color. So everyone in town is cool with being gray.
[11:27] Speaker 2: They don't really care. They're like all cool. It's fine.
[11:31] Speaker 2: But they don't realize that behind the order are the
[11:33] Speaker 2: elders of the order who want control of everyone at
[11:36] Speaker 2: all times everywhere. And they hate color because people who
[11:40] Speaker 2: can see color are not far from wonder. And if
[11:44] Speaker 2: you connect with wonder, you won't conform to the order.
[11:47] Speaker 2: So you see what happens with one dot. Now this
[11:50] Speaker 2: family in my book, the faults of family, they're, they're
[11:53] Speaker 2: pretty faulted, but they interact with the realm of wonder
[11:57] Speaker 2: and they don't really understand it. They just know it's
[11:59] Speaker 2: real and they like color. They're kind of normies, you know,
[12:03] Speaker 2: but they don't really, you know, they're like to each
[12:05] Speaker 2: his own type of deal. Right. And so, what happens
[12:10] Speaker 2: when their daughter says, hey, I want to go to
[12:11] Speaker 2: the grownup factory and check out the gray side. It
[12:14] Speaker 2: seems so sophisticated. I got the wonder thing. You've told
[12:17] Speaker 2: me about wonder. I understand. I just want to make
[12:19] Speaker 2: some new friends, mom and dad. Well, they have no idea.
[12:22] Speaker 2: And she has no idea that when they go to,
[12:24] Speaker 2: when they send her to the grownup factory on the hill,
[12:28] Speaker 2: that the elders think now if we finally got our
[12:30] Speaker 2: chance to get our mitts on the one nonconforming family
[12:33] Speaker 2: left in town and we'll use their daughter to do it.
[12:36] Speaker 2: And she has no idea that the decision she makes
[12:39] Speaker 2: will affect the destiny of her whole town. That's just
[12:42] Speaker 2: where we start. And I was writing about this because
[12:46] Speaker 2: I was interested in nonconformity. And I thought I'll, I'll
[12:49] Speaker 2: write a book about resilience and being different and being
[12:52] Speaker 2: the person who sees maybe things, you know, and so
[12:54] Speaker 2: that's a deep, this is pretty deep, but you know
[12:57] Speaker 2: what I mean? I was, This was about relationships. This
[13:00] Speaker 2: was about string pulling in education. This was about a
[13:04] Speaker 2: family not understanding what was at stake in the decisions
[13:07] Speaker 2: they made. And it also unpacks the difference between subjective
[13:12] Speaker 2: reality and truth. Because I was writing this around the
[13:16] Speaker 2: time everybody was deciding they could be in the wrong
[13:18] Speaker 2: body or be a furry. So in this book, when
[13:22] Speaker 2: she leaves home, she has experience. Now, remember, she's aware
[13:26] Speaker 2: of wonder. She knows wonder's real. She can see things
[13:29] Speaker 2: that other people can't see because of wonder. When she
[13:34] Speaker 2: gets to this other environment, she starts having visceral experiences
[13:39] Speaker 2: that are so intense that it completely shakes her whole
[13:45] Speaker 2: sense of connection and grounding to how she experiences the world.
[13:54] Speaker 2: And so in this book, I ask the question, just
[13:58] Speaker 2: because it's real, is it true? Because you can have very,
[14:03] Speaker 2: very real, real experiences. I have friends who before they
[14:06] Speaker 2: met Christ had the most real, crazy, wacky spiritual experiences
[14:10] Speaker 2: with beings and entities and aliens and all kinds of
[14:13] Speaker 2: things that showed up and also feelings about themselves, their bodies,
[14:17] Speaker 2: their attractions that were so real, they misinterpreted that as truth.
[14:22] Speaker 2: And so I was passionate in 2019 about, Because I
[14:27] Speaker 2: saw that kids were confusing the reality of an experience
[14:32] Speaker 2: with the truth of an experience. So I'm using metaphor.
[14:36] Speaker 2: And I'm writing about this. I'm writing through color and
[14:39] Speaker 2: experience and relationships. And we're starting to unpack what's going
[14:43] Speaker 2: on behind the scenes. And who might be influencing kids
[14:48] Speaker 2: with these types of experiences? So this was pretty deep.
[14:51] Speaker 1: That's great. You have Constance is in every title. Constance Chief,
[14:57] Speaker 1: Constance Chance, Constance Cornelius. What is behind Constance?
[15:02] Speaker 2: Well, Constance is the oldest perfect child that wants to
[15:05] Speaker 2: do everything right.
[15:07] Speaker 1: Okay.
[15:08] Speaker 2: And also I was told that if you're going to
[15:09] Speaker 2: write a book series, if you write for the girls first,
[15:12] Speaker 2: they tend to be the greater readers. But in every book,
[15:15] Speaker 2: her brothers show after the first book, guys are all
[15:19] Speaker 2: over these books because in book two- Now we have
[15:22] Speaker 2: Constance and Chance, her crazy brother, who blows things up
[15:27] Speaker 2: just to see how they work. And so now it's Constance, Chance,
[15:31] Speaker 2: and the Big Bang Backlash. Because, spoiler alert, when the
[15:35] Speaker 2: elders of the Order can't get Constance in their grip,
[15:37] Speaker 2: they decide to use the school science fair to prove
[15:41] Speaker 2: that really there was nothing but materialism.
[15:44] Speaker 4: Wow.
[15:45] Speaker 2: It's essentially what they're saying. It's all materialism. And so
[15:48] Speaker 2: we're going to use the science fair to prove that.
[15:50] Speaker 2: that you should let go your wonder belief thing because,
[15:54] Speaker 2: you know, come on, let's get real. You need the order.
[15:57] Speaker 2: And so they're trying to add an agenda and they
[15:58] Speaker 2: decide that they say the elders of the order say,
[16:01] Speaker 2: but science is very, very unpredictable because if you don't
[16:06] Speaker 2: control the questions, you don't control the answers. So they
[16:11] Speaker 2: can questions, right? Well, Constance's brother says, I know that
[16:15] Speaker 2: wonder's real because I've seen it. And he brings back
[16:19] Speaker 2: a supernatural science fair from the realm of wonder and
[16:22] Speaker 2: invades the science fair and things go terribly wrong. And,
[16:26] Speaker 2: and it's crazy and, and out, you know, I mean,
[16:29] Speaker 2: supernatural in every way. And, and this is because when
[16:33] Speaker 2: you ask the question about truth, you have to ask
[16:36] Speaker 2: the question about origins, right? And what actually evidence around
[16:42] Speaker 2: us on the plane at what it's actually saying. And
[16:48] Speaker 2: you have to be allowed to look at those questions honestly.
[16:50] Speaker 2: So I was just following along with book two. And
[16:53] Speaker 2: all of a sudden we wake up in 2020. And
[16:57] Speaker 2: now I realize that we're in the middle of book
[17:01] Speaker 2: three and we're living book three. And book three is
[17:06] Speaker 2: Constance and her nerdy brother Charleston who reads the dictionary
[17:11] Speaker 2: just for fun. This is a dictionary. He loves words
[17:15] Speaker 2: and the power of words. And this is Constance and
[17:18] Speaker 2: Charleston and the Bombastic Baffle Gab, which is really fun
[17:23] Speaker 2: words for propaganda.
[17:26] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[17:27] Speaker 2: All right. This is a book about propaganda. That's great.
[17:32] Speaker 2: And I won't go on and on and on. But
[17:34] Speaker 2: the bottom line is when the elders can't get science
[17:38] Speaker 2: the way they want it, you know, to control all
[17:41] Speaker 2: the questions. And people actually start seeing color. What if
[17:45] Speaker 2: other people in town, because of this one family, start
[17:48] Speaker 2: seeing color and asking questions, which is what we saw
[17:52] Speaker 2: in 2020 with the yellow vest movement and all that stuff, right?
[17:57] Speaker 2: People were busting out and asking questions. Well, the elders
[18:00] Speaker 2: decide they can't tell people they haven't seen color. They'll
[18:05] Speaker 2: just tell them what it means, which is propaganda. And
[18:10] Speaker 2: so they tell everybody color. It's actually part of the
[18:17] Speaker 2: cycle of a disease, a plague that's leaked into our town.
[18:22] Speaker 2: And now everyone should wear gray glasses on their face
[18:26] Speaker 2: at all times to protect them from being exposed to
[18:31] Speaker 2: even a speck of color because they might get sick.
[18:34] Speaker 2: That's great. No, we're dealing with Karen. I have a
[18:39] Speaker 2: character here named Karen who wears two pairs of gray
[18:42] Speaker 2: glasses just to be extra safe. And Constance is confused
[18:49] Speaker 2: because she's still going to school. Now she knows better.
[18:53] Speaker 2: Her brother's like a nerd. They research everything. She knows better,
[18:56] Speaker 2: but now she doesn't trust her family because they're not
[18:59] Speaker 2: going along with the narrative. That's what we live through.
[19:02] Speaker 2: Broken families over this issue. And her brother says, this
[19:07] Speaker 2: is so dumb. That's not how immunology works. That's not
[19:11] Speaker 2: how disease works. So he starts a newspaper to tell
[19:14] Speaker 2: the truth because all the other newspapers and radio stations
[19:18] Speaker 2: and televisions in town are telling everyone color could kill them.
[19:24] Speaker 2: So guys, what could possibly happen to the one non-conforming
[19:27] Speaker 2: family with the one non-conforming newspaper in the middle of
[19:30] Speaker 2: a pandemic? This is 2020 right here. And when I
[19:35] Speaker 2: was writing this book, I honestly didn't know if the
[19:38] Speaker 2: family in my book would be okay because I didn't
[19:41] Speaker 2: know if we would be okay. And I had to
[19:44] Speaker 2: go up to wonder and get a solution to their problem. And, and,
[19:50] Speaker 2: we had to get one for us too, right? We're
[19:52] Speaker 2: living it out. And in this book is where I
[19:56] Speaker 2: introduced the character, ready?
[19:58] Speaker 4: Ms.
[19:59] Speaker 2: Anthropomorphia Slouchy. The commissioner for the Center for Color Control.
[20:07] Speaker 2: The CCC. And Miss Slouchy mandates that everyone must stay
[20:13] Speaker 2: away from each other and wear their gray glasses and
[20:16] Speaker 2: be terrified of color. So Mr. Fauci shows up in
[20:21] Speaker 2: book three here. And we begin to unpack this family
[20:24] Speaker 2: begins to talk about the power of words together. You see,
[20:28] Speaker 2: in this family, they talk. And there's a mom and
[20:31] Speaker 2: a dad working together. You have to teach that now
[20:34] Speaker 2: because a lot of kids don't know that. we're reteaching family,
[20:38] Speaker 2: we're reteaching strengths, we're reteaching personalities and different ways people
[20:42] Speaker 2: handle stress. We're reteaching how you overcome conflict when one
[20:46] Speaker 2: member of the family is triggered by all the other
[20:48] Speaker 2: members of the family, not believing what the media told them.
[20:52] Speaker 4: Right.
[20:53] Speaker 2: And, and, and we're, we're, we're processing Karen's and we're
[20:57] Speaker 2: processing being canceled and we're processing the power of controlling
[21:01] Speaker 2: people through fear, all through the conversations these kids, people
[21:06] Speaker 2: in this family are having with each other as they
[21:09] Speaker 2: have these supernatural experiences from wonder and they see the
[21:12] Speaker 2: gray around them you see because seeing color is a
[21:17] Speaker 2: metaphor for revelation and the elders don't want anybody seeing
[21:20] Speaker 2: color so right right that's just the first three books.
[21:25] Speaker 1: That's so you know and What has been the reaction
[21:28] Speaker 1: so far from children, parents, and maybe even those that
[21:34] Speaker 1: aren't fond of the topics that you've put in there?
[21:37] Speaker 1: How has people been reacting to this?
[21:39] Speaker 2: Well, so far, I hear from parents whose kids just
[21:44] Speaker 2: love the books. And when I've been at conferences, the
[21:47] Speaker 2: parents are thrilled because they don't want to talk about
[21:50] Speaker 2: this stuff with their kids. And they don't want their
[21:52] Speaker 2: kids to be doomed. And I'm not a doomer. I
[21:55] Speaker 2: think we live in the best time ever to be
[21:56] Speaker 2: able to be alive and awake. And our kids feel
[21:59] Speaker 2: that way too. We're in an awakening. It's the rude
[22:02] Speaker 2: awakening right now, you know, before the great awakening or
[22:05] Speaker 2: part of that. But I was at a conference one
[22:08] Speaker 2: time and I was explaining this book and this girl
[22:12] Speaker 2: is yanking on her mom and going, mom, mom, that
[22:15] Speaker 2: sounds like what we just went through.
[22:17] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[22:19] Speaker 2: And I said, yes, because you see people, including us adults,
[22:22] Speaker 2: we have to process trauma. And we were all traumatized
[22:26] Speaker 2: to live through that. And kids believe a lot of
[22:30] Speaker 2: dumb stuff about 2020 and they really need to get
[22:33] Speaker 2: sorted out with true, the truth story of how propaganda
[22:37] Speaker 2: and control works to scare people, but how there are
[22:40] Speaker 2: people who don't, who don't buy in and they do
[22:44] Speaker 2: okay and they survive and they make a difference. Right.
[22:48] Speaker 2: And so, um, So these books are enormously healing for
[22:53] Speaker 2: adults and kids. Adults love my books. Now, you know,
[22:56] Speaker 2: someday somebody is going to get ticked off that I
[22:58] Speaker 2: dared to say it. Right now I'm just hearing that
[23:00] Speaker 2: they're great books and kids love them. So we have
[23:04] Speaker 2: the first three out are shipping right now. But I
[23:07] Speaker 2: just have to tell you about the ones that are
[23:08] Speaker 2: coming in November and then we can go wherever you
[23:10] Speaker 2: want because I'm super excited. In this book, Ms. Anthropomorphia
[23:16] Speaker 2: Slouchy shows up again because when the kids– can't be
[23:20] Speaker 2: kept under control with their gray glasses. She rolls out
[23:24] Speaker 2: something called the safety drops. It'll make you permanently colorblind
[23:28] Speaker 2: and permanently immune to ever catching the color disease. So
[23:32] Speaker 2: then they say, we're going to lock all the children
[23:34] Speaker 2: in their houses until they take the safety drops for
[23:37] Speaker 2: their eyes to make them permanently colorblind, which of course
[23:41] Speaker 2: is what the vaccine is doing. Right. Making people permanently
[23:45] Speaker 2: triggered permanently in many cases, Determined that they were right
[23:51] Speaker 2: because they took it.
[23:53] Speaker 4: Right?
[23:55] Speaker 2: Entrenched in a view to protect the decisions they made.
[24:00] Speaker 1: Disconnected from wonder.
[24:03] Speaker 2: And also, but there are some people who wake up
[24:07] Speaker 2: and go, oh my gosh, I've hurt myself and my family.
[24:09] Speaker 2: And that's what's in this book. What if the children
[24:14] Speaker 2: are told to take things for their eyes to keep
[24:16] Speaker 2: them safe that actually blind some of them? So I'm
[24:19] Speaker 2: dealing with the realities of the injuries and the pain
[24:23] Speaker 2: and the grief that people are dealing with. And Ms.
[24:25] Speaker 2: Anthropomorphia Slouchy, the commissioner for the CCC, shows up in
[24:29] Speaker 2: all of her glory, a.k.a. Anthony Fauci. And kids have
[24:34] Speaker 2: to know the story of this ghoul because he's a
[24:37] Speaker 2: war criminal guy. You know, you can't. And that's just
[24:42] Speaker 2: book four. And then I end book. Then by book five,
[24:45] Speaker 2: I take on the World Economic Forum, the Great Reset.
[24:49] Speaker 2: And weather weaponry. And in this book, this is Chief,
[24:53] Speaker 2: the little boy in the family, the youngest boy has
[24:56] Speaker 2: a role. And in this book, the dog of the
[24:57] Speaker 2: family sees what no one else can see. And it's
[25:00] Speaker 2: trying to communicate about the world, orderers, ordering forum, the wolf.
[25:06] Speaker 2: So there's a lot of fun. And then I move
[25:12] Speaker 2: on to a YA book about the emotional side of
[25:14] Speaker 2: what happens when people are wounded this much in a
[25:17] Speaker 2: beautiful story called Mrs. Amazing and the Seed. The bottom
[25:20] Speaker 2: line is that I'm the red-pilled Mary Poppins.
[25:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
[25:26] Speaker 2: Because if Mary Poppins took the red pill from the
[25:28] Speaker 2: Matrix movie, she wouldn't waste her spoonful of sugar getting
[25:31] Speaker 2: kids to clean their room like in the movie. She
[25:34] Speaker 2: would spend it on these books because how dare we
[25:38] Speaker 2: think we're going to raise kids that can even survive,
[25:42] Speaker 2: much less thrive and overcome if they have no idea
[25:47] Speaker 2: how this stuff works. And there are a lot of
[25:51] Speaker 2: people who can write. You know, there's some really good
[25:53] Speaker 2: good and evil books out there in the homeschool world.
[25:56] Speaker 2: I'm more aware of those. But you go to the
[25:57] Speaker 2: library and most of them are postmodern. Nothing's right. Nothing's wrong.
[26:03] Speaker 2: Evil's relative. Get involved in the occult. Explore all sexualities possible.
[26:09] Speaker 2: That's what's in the libraries for kids now. My book's
[26:13] Speaker 2: ages 10 to 14. I am determined I will never
[26:16] Speaker 2: harm any kid's innocence. But they'll get it, believe me,
[26:19] Speaker 2: because metaphor and narrative go way deeper than if we
[26:25] Speaker 2: just had a conversation about this ism and that ism.
[26:28] Speaker 2: You know, communism versus capitalism or this system of government
[26:33] Speaker 2: versus that one. Once you see and understand manipulation and
[26:39] Speaker 2: how words and images and power is used, I'm convinced
[26:44] Speaker 2: kids are smart enough that they'll They won't be able
[26:46] Speaker 2: to unsee it once they understand the images. And because
[26:50] Speaker 2: of the realm of wonder.
[26:51] Speaker 4: Which is.
[26:52] Speaker 2: I'm sorry. This is supposed to be on mute. Because
[26:59] Speaker 2: of the realm of wonder, which I've already told you
[27:01] Speaker 2: is real, I'm absolutely convinced we have all the resources
[27:04] Speaker 2: we need. First as a Christian, but also the reality
[27:08] Speaker 2: of how that becomes real to us as humans as
[27:11] Speaker 2: God heals our wonder-filled hearts, right? And empowers us. and
[27:16] Speaker 2: gives us a plumb line for truth in Christ and Jesus.
[27:19] Speaker 2: He said he was the truth. You know, he wasn't
[27:22] Speaker 2: an option. And I know your people are all over
[27:25] Speaker 2: the place, but let's face it, we're all on a journey.
[27:27] Speaker 2: And if we don't want the capital T truth, why
[27:30] Speaker 2: are we wasting our time even caring about what's really
[27:34] Speaker 2: going on, right? And so these are not Christian books,
[27:38] Speaker 2: but I'll tell you, anybody anywhere could pick this up
[27:41] Speaker 2: and start to ask questions, right? And when you come
[27:45] Speaker 2: as a child to receive a good, funny story that
[27:50] Speaker 2: makes you want to know more, no matter what you
[27:52] Speaker 2: think about stuff, without harming you, there's a lot of
[27:56] Speaker 2: books I want to see what happens next, but when
[27:58] Speaker 2: I'm done and I put it down, I feel kind
[27:59] Speaker 2: of crappy. Do you know what I mean? Right, right.
[28:04] Speaker 2: There's a lot of books and movies where you really
[28:07] Speaker 2: want to watch and read, and afterwards you go, God,
[28:10] Speaker 2: why did I put that in my soul? Right. And
[28:14] Speaker 2: so I'm not doing that to kids. I refuse to
[28:17] Speaker 2: do that to kids. Mary Poppins delivers a wall up.
[28:22] Speaker 2: I mean, in the movie, the old movie, she destroys
[28:24] Speaker 2: the British banking system and she calls out a completely
[28:29] Speaker 2: disconnected mom who's off in her politics.
[28:32] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[28:33] Speaker 2: She blows everything up, shakes the family to the core
[28:38] Speaker 2: and then delivers a tea party on the ceiling on
[28:40] Speaker 2: the way out the door.
[28:42] Speaker 1: Do you plan to continue with the book series?
[28:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, ultimately it'll be 10 books. So the
[28:48] Speaker 2: first five are ages 10 to 14, where we're unpacking
[28:53] Speaker 2: the truth story of the 21st century, essentially, and how
[28:55] Speaker 2: we got here and how this repeats and how ideas
[29:00] Speaker 2: recycle and how tyranny works and isolation and groupthink, the
[29:06] Speaker 2: whole deal, right? I mean, like I said, by the end,
[29:09] Speaker 2: I'm writing about weather weaponry before anybody admitted last year
[29:13] Speaker 2: that it's real. It's so cool in a kid's book
[29:17] Speaker 2: to write about a weather weapon, you know, and then they,
[29:20] Speaker 2: they're spoiler alert. Now people are actually paying attention and
[29:23] Speaker 2: they know they can do it. Right. But your kids
[29:25] Speaker 2: don't understand that and they don't understand why it would
[29:29] Speaker 2: be used. So like what I tell people all the
[29:32] Speaker 2: time is this, Chris, you know, And before we go,
[29:36] Speaker 2: I want to tell your kids the single most thing
[29:39] Speaker 2: that's going to determine the success or failure of your children.
[29:42] Speaker 1: And we got plenty of time.
[29:44] Speaker 2: But so stay tuned for that. But the thing of
[29:46] Speaker 2: it is, is that, you know, if your dog dies
[29:51] Speaker 2: or grandma's gets sick or God forbid your father and
[29:54] Speaker 2: I are getting a divorce, do you just not talk
[29:57] Speaker 2: about that? Do you just pretend it never happened? I mean,
[29:59] Speaker 2: some people are weird and they avoid meaningful conversations about things.
[30:04] Speaker 2: But you just wouldn't come home one day without the
[30:08] Speaker 2: dog and just pretend something's not right.
[30:12] Speaker 4: Right?
[30:13] Speaker 2: Right. You'd have to say, gosh, I'm so sorry. Fido
[30:17] Speaker 2: got run over or whatever. And you would gather as
[30:20] Speaker 2: a family and you would one way or another talk
[30:23] Speaker 2: about it. And, you know, that would be what happened.
[30:29] Speaker 2: So there's people trying to reduce the population, turn us
[30:34] Speaker 2: into pets, and God knows what else. And do you
[30:38] Speaker 2: honestly think that you get to avoid having that conversation
[30:42] Speaker 2: with your children? Do you honestly think you get to
[30:45] Speaker 2: not talk to them about the layers of control and
[30:49] Speaker 2: mind control and how these things work? Now, some parents
[30:53] Speaker 2: are good at that, but they tend to be the
[30:54] Speaker 2: left brain ones. They're pulling out all the books. The homeschoolers, well,
[30:59] Speaker 2: we know all about that. But wait a minute. You've
[31:03] Speaker 2: got to capture the heart and soul of your child
[31:05] Speaker 2: through the narrative, through the story, the deeper story of
[31:09] Speaker 2: why we're here. Why does it matter? What we were
[31:13] Speaker 2: created to do. Why is that so dangerous to the
[31:17] Speaker 2: dark side, right? Got to capture the heart and soul.
[31:20] Speaker 2: So if you're going to give your kids the news,
[31:25] Speaker 2: they have to understand how these things work. It's not fair.
[31:28] Speaker 2: Don't think you're helping them out if you avoid it.
[31:31] Speaker 2: But you've got to give them a bigger story to
[31:33] Speaker 2: live out of. So the first five books get us
[31:36] Speaker 2: to where we are, and then six through ten are
[31:40] Speaker 2: unpacking deeply the emotional fallout of what this has done
[31:45] Speaker 2: to our souls. So this family grows up, and they
[31:50] Speaker 2: start to process the meaning in their hearts and their
[31:54] Speaker 2: relationships differently. to, you know, after in the falling out
[31:58] Speaker 2: of this, this kind of stuff we've been through and,
[32:01] Speaker 2: and that gets really gorgeous and deep and meaningful because
[32:05] Speaker 2: I mentioned, you know, we've experienced trauma in our family
[32:08] Speaker 2: and I certainly did. And one of the most exciting
[32:11] Speaker 2: things about, about what we've been through is how completely
[32:14] Speaker 2: whole and healed it's possible to become. And so my
[32:18] Speaker 2: vision extends beyond red pilling your children with a, you know,
[32:23] Speaker 2: even with a, a a great party along the way,
[32:26] Speaker 2: but deeper to the healing of the souls of our
[32:29] Speaker 2: kids and to giving them something to stand on, right?
[32:32] Speaker 2: As they process their lives.
[32:35] Speaker 1: You mentioned how many people are waking up right now
[32:39] Speaker 1: and it's a journey of awareness. Many people will choose
[32:44] Speaker 1: to put their heads back in the sand, unfortunately, but
[32:48] Speaker 1: I think the information is at a point where it's
[32:51] Speaker 1: unstoppable and it will continue to To make its way
[32:55] Speaker 1: through the collective consciousness and people will continue to become
[32:59] Speaker 1: aware of things. Since you wrote your first book to
[33:04] Speaker 1: right now, what are your thoughts on where we're at collectively,
[33:07] Speaker 1: the awareness of people and what we're up against with technology,
[33:12] Speaker 1: social media, propaganda and mind control?
[33:16] Speaker 2: Well, did Paul Staub talk to you about the little season?
[33:19] Speaker 2: A little bit.
[33:20] Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.
[33:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[33:22] Speaker 2: I actually am 110% in that we're in the little
[33:25] Speaker 2: season of Revelation 20 and that the millennial reign of, yeah,
[33:30] Speaker 2: you may not want to buy my books after you
[33:31] Speaker 2: hear this. They're not. No, this is not in my books,
[33:36] Speaker 2: by the way, because I'm helping us deal with what
[33:38] Speaker 2: we're living and experiencing right now. But if you're asking
[33:41] Speaker 2: me about a timeline, and I absolutely do believe we're
[33:45] Speaker 2: in the small season, the diminutive season where Satan's been loosed.
[33:51] Speaker 2: after the thousand years. And we Christians have misunderstood the
[33:56] Speaker 2: millennial reign and the fact that people still had choice
[33:59] Speaker 2: during that time. And you see the result of those choices,
[34:03] Speaker 2: the glorious beauty of choosing him in the architecture and
[34:09] Speaker 2: in the creativity and the classical music and the incredible,
[34:15] Speaker 2: what do they call it? Antiquatech? Antiquatech. And you see
[34:20] Speaker 2: also that there were still wars and there were still
[34:22] Speaker 2: problems because Jesus had to reign with a rod of iron.
[34:27] Speaker 2: But people have a choice. And I think there were
[34:29] Speaker 2: people who sat back and waited until they knew that
[34:32] Speaker 2: millennial reign was over and decided as soon as he
[34:34] Speaker 2: gets out, we're doing Satan 2.0. And I think that's
[34:37] Speaker 2: where we are. Now, having said that, I have a
[34:41] Speaker 2: hat that I'm having made. Beautiful white hat. It says M.S.M.A.
[34:49] Speaker 2: Make Satan miserable again. Because I believe that it doesn't
[34:56] Speaker 2: matter where we are in terms of what, as a Christian,
[35:01] Speaker 2: I have authority and power in Christ's name. And I
[35:04] Speaker 2: can walk on serpents and scorpions and all the power
[35:06] Speaker 2: of the enemy. So nothing, I'm not intimidated. But it
[35:11] Speaker 2: gives me pause because I can see it rolling out.
[35:14] Speaker 2: And I see the things that I'm writing about in
[35:16] Speaker 2: my books just rolling out and revealing themselves. So I
[35:20] Speaker 2: give kids like this handle. Do you see it? Do
[35:23] Speaker 2: you understand it? Do you see it? Are you aware?
[35:26] Speaker 2: Think about your resources. Think about God. Think about those things. Again,
[35:30] Speaker 2: not Christian books, but conception, conceptual ideas to begin to think,
[35:37] Speaker 2: to begin to heal, to begin to awaken, right? Nobody
[35:42] Speaker 2: wants to be hit over the head with a bat
[35:44] Speaker 2: when you're being awakened. Most of us would like to
[35:47] Speaker 2: wake up to the idea it could be a good day.
[35:50] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying to kids. But I see it
[35:53] Speaker 2: playing out pretty plainly. But, you know, you finish the
[35:58] Speaker 2: book of Revelation and I'm on the winning team. And
[36:02] Speaker 2: I'm inviting people to join me because Jesus is on
[36:06] Speaker 2: the winning team. Jesus is the winning team guy. But
[36:10] Speaker 2: Along the way, I really respect the process by which
[36:14] Speaker 2: people engage with him and ask questions. Because we're just
[36:22] Speaker 2: done being funneled in to a behavior system versus deeply
[36:28] Speaker 2: understanding the world around us and waking up to some
[36:33] Speaker 2: difficult things and having that process, right? So I'm walking
[36:42] Speaker 2: with a lot of people side by side that are
[36:45] Speaker 2: just in a process. And he's so faithful to meet
[36:51] Speaker 2: us in process. And I think that's healthier than finding
[36:56] Speaker 2: a system to fit into, even if it's a church system, right?
[37:00] Speaker 2: You know, pick the system. I just don't, I think
[37:02] Speaker 2: we're done with that.
[37:04] Speaker 1: Where we're at right now, most people are on the
[37:08] Speaker 1: right side of understanding as far as they don't want
[37:12] Speaker 1: to be a part of anti-human systems. They don't want
[37:16] Speaker 1: to be a part of this technocracy surveillance state that's emerging.
[37:22] Speaker 1: And that's why we're seeing so much pushback against flock
[37:25] Speaker 1: cameras and things of that nature. But they are targeting
[37:29] Speaker 1: children right now through, like you said, new age content
[37:34] Speaker 1: and social media and even pharmaceuticals. they're trying to get
[37:40] Speaker 1: the tentacles in there from a very early age so
[37:43] Speaker 1: that they won't be a part of this awakening. Do
[37:47] Speaker 1: you see that same thing?
[37:48] Speaker 4: I do.
[37:49] Speaker 2: And I, and this is what, you know, I look
[37:51] Speaker 2: at all that and I get up every day and
[37:53] Speaker 2: I go, stay in your lane, Julie, tell the stories
[37:58] Speaker 2: because story's powerful. And because this is the thing I
[38:03] Speaker 2: was going to say before that single most powerful determinant
[38:07] Speaker 2: factor of how anybody's going to turn out is the
[38:09] Speaker 2: story they believe about themselves, the world and God kind
[38:13] Speaker 2: of wrapped together. Okay. And so I know for myself
[38:18] Speaker 2: and I know many other people who talk about it,
[38:21] Speaker 2: when you get out of the continuous now of video
[38:23] Speaker 2: games and stimulation, because they want you in a continuous
[38:28] Speaker 2: present without a beginning, middle and an end in a storyline, right?
[38:32] Speaker 2: That's part of programming. is to keep people constantly stemmed
[38:36] Speaker 2: and anxious. But when you step into story, it heals you,
[38:41] Speaker 2: it heals your brain, and depending on the story you believe. Now,
[38:45] Speaker 2: there's a dark story. There's a dystopian story. There's a
[38:49] Speaker 2: black-pilled story that is being fed to us as well.
[38:53] Speaker 2: I'm just not doing it. And I am determined to
[38:56] Speaker 2: give kids the wonder pill, the spoonful of wonder, because
[39:02] Speaker 2: it's more powerful. I, you know, we have in him
[39:07] Speaker 2: the most powerful, you know, position and resources in the,
[39:12] Speaker 2: in the cosmos. And so, but, but I believe that
[39:17] Speaker 2: people need to be wooed into an openness because we've
[39:23] Speaker 2: been shocked and hurt and terrorized and forced in so
[39:28] Speaker 2: many ways. So I, bring a gentle, supercalifragilisticexpialidocious process. And
[39:37] Speaker 2: everything you're saying is true. I just refuse to give
[39:41] Speaker 2: it any more space than it's already demanding. I was
[39:44] Speaker 2: on one podcast recently and the guy thought he was
[39:49] Speaker 2: being pretty cool by telling us all how terrible it was.
[39:52] Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, parents are really doing
[39:55] Speaker 2: the wrong thing and nobody reads anymore. And I was like, okay,
[40:00] Speaker 2: stop right there. You want to heal your brain? Pick
[40:03] Speaker 2: up a book.
[40:04] Speaker 3: Stop.
[40:04] Speaker 2: Stop telling us what we don't do. I can tell
[40:07] Speaker 2: this to you guys. You know how we're all kind
[40:08] Speaker 2: of book averse right now. Let's be honest. I'd rather
[40:11] Speaker 2: listen to a podcast and pick up a book.
[40:13] Speaker 4: Right.
[40:13] Speaker 2: I'd rather hear it than actually read it. I'd actually,
[40:17] Speaker 2: you know, but this is something really, really hopeful. Your
[40:22] Speaker 2: brain and your child's brain can be healed by holding
[40:26] Speaker 2: a book. It just needs to be a really good book, right?
[40:29] Speaker 2: And when you gather together and my husband and I
[40:34] Speaker 2: read to each other as adults and I'll read kids
[40:37] Speaker 2: books to say 15 minutes, honey, I want to read
[40:41] Speaker 2: to you from a really good book. 15 minutes, 16-year-old,
[40:45] Speaker 2: I know the world. No, we're going to sit down
[40:47] Speaker 2: and read together or you're going to read to your
[40:49] Speaker 2: younger brother and sister. 15 minutes a day. And I'll
[40:53] Speaker 2: tell you what, you won't be able to stop because
[40:55] Speaker 2: you get a good book, you won't be able to stop.
[40:57] Speaker 2: You'll sit together and your brain will come to life.
[41:01] Speaker 2: Over just a couple of sessions, you'll come back. Your
[41:04] Speaker 2: imagination will heal. Your peace will restore because you'll feel
[41:10] Speaker 2: so different in your body when you're reading or being
[41:13] Speaker 2: read to. So that's scary, I think, to the enemy. Yeah.
[41:19] Speaker 2: So I can worry about what's happening out there, but
[41:22] Speaker 2: I think I'm scarier in a lot of ways than
[41:24] Speaker 2: some of those things out there because of the power
[41:28] Speaker 2: of books.
[41:29] Speaker 1: What do you think is the best way for... younger children,
[41:33] Speaker 1: young adults to avoid the weaponized wonder, satanic, hidden information
[41:41] Speaker 1: that's included in a lot of media. A lot of
[41:45] Speaker 1: it is dressed up to the point where it's very
[41:47] Speaker 1: difficult to tell what they're interacting with is something that's
[41:52] Speaker 1: not beneficial for their mind or their consciousness. But that's
[41:58] Speaker 1: baked into our reality so much that it's everywhere. So
[42:02] Speaker 1: how would you recommend becoming aware of those things so
[42:07] Speaker 1: it can be avoided?
[42:09] Speaker 2: Well, that's really kind of the job of the parent,
[42:11] Speaker 2: to be honest. And, um, I, you know, my, my
[42:16] Speaker 2: kids and I stopped doing anything, um, that was Disney
[42:21] Speaker 2: related almost 25 years ago.
[42:24] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[42:24] Speaker 2: Can see it because the words magic, anything related to magic, um,
[42:31] Speaker 2: to fairies, to aliens. Sorry, alien people. I mean, they're,
[42:36] Speaker 2: this has been, they're real, but they're not who they
[42:43] Speaker 2: say they are. And that's the thing. Angels of light
[42:47] Speaker 2: are real. Magic is real. Occult is real. Meditation has,
[42:53] Speaker 2: you can do that. You can have, I'm telling you,
[42:56] Speaker 2: it's a buffet. You can get it. You can go
[42:57] Speaker 2: get all you want. You can have all kind of power,
[43:01] Speaker 2: and it's very real. And for a season, you'll get
[43:04] Speaker 2: what you think you want. But I know too many people,
[43:08] Speaker 2: and I also know what the scripture teaches about outcomes,
[43:12] Speaker 2: and I've watched it. And the flame outs, man, when
[43:15] Speaker 2: you find out who you trusted wasn't who you thought
[43:19] Speaker 2: they were. So I'm careful. This is why I never
[43:23] Speaker 2: use the word magic in my books once, ever. And
[43:27] Speaker 2: I never use the word wonder As a verb, I
[43:32] Speaker 2: wonder how you're doing today. Never. It's always capitalized. It's
[43:37] Speaker 2: always honored. It's because wonder and the reality of wonder,
[43:41] Speaker 2: think of childlike. You have moments you can remember when
[43:44] Speaker 2: as a child you were filled with wonder. It is
[43:48] Speaker 2: one of the most high-level spiritual and holy experiences that
[43:53] Speaker 2: you can have is to be filled with actual wonder.
[43:57] Speaker 2: and to really wonder the, the kind of verb, that
[44:01] Speaker 2: kind of verb, wonder, right? And that's, that comes from
[44:05] Speaker 2: only one place. That's heaven. That's heaven language. So personally,
[44:09] Speaker 2: if I don't, anything that, that substitutes the cheap, the
[44:15] Speaker 2: cheap thrill, just like sex, the cheap thrill of power
[44:21] Speaker 2: of titillation there, there in, in, One thing you can tell,
[44:26] Speaker 2: you can tell just like when you see an ad
[44:31] Speaker 2: that gets your hormones going. Spiritually, it's the exact same thing.
[44:36] Speaker 2: You'll feel yourself being sucked into the, ooh, you know,
[44:39] Speaker 2: the dark or the power or the whatever. And it's
[44:42] Speaker 2: a tell. It's a tell. And you go, can I
[44:46] Speaker 2: have peace and quiet joy without being sucked into lust,
[44:49] Speaker 2: without being sucked into lust? that vibe of the dark
[44:53] Speaker 2: side or the hidden power or the I'm going to
[44:56] Speaker 2: know something someone else doesn't know. And I'll tell you,
[44:59] Speaker 2: the biggest tell is the wounding of your soul. Because
[45:04] Speaker 2: people stray and go there to heal wounded souls. Because
[45:10] Speaker 2: sex gives you the hit to your brain. So does
[45:14] Speaker 2: the occult. And it's a numbing, comforting thing. A darkening comfort.
[45:23] Speaker 2: So it takes some awareness of yourself, of your soul.
[45:27] Speaker 2: Parents are not good at protecting their children if when
[45:29] Speaker 2: the lights go down at night, they're watching stuff they
[45:32] Speaker 2: wouldn't want their kids to watch. Or they're inviting their
[45:35] Speaker 2: children in to watch supernaturally interesting, intriguing, titillating things because
[45:42] Speaker 2: they never made peace themselves, so they're sucking their kids in. Hmm.
[45:47] Speaker 2: And I know some people are not going to like
[45:48] Speaker 2: that I'm saying this, but it's the truth. So it's
[45:52] Speaker 2: really a parent's job to know everything that's going into
[45:55] Speaker 2: your kid, even as teenagers. Everything that's on their phone,
[46:00] Speaker 2: every book they read, it's, I'm sorry, it's just the
[46:02] Speaker 2: way it is. And somehow we were programmed that we shouldn't,
[46:10] Speaker 2: and it would be too hard. And we couldn't really
[46:13] Speaker 2: handle it if we got the backlash. They programmed us
[46:16] Speaker 2: to be docile little adults who gave up the authority
[46:21] Speaker 2: we need to walk by the sides of our kids
[46:26] Speaker 2: and hand adulthood off to them in a healthy way.
[46:30] Speaker 1: We're all trying to break this programming right now. Because
[46:34] Speaker 1: you mentioned UFOs and aliens, I want to get a
[46:37] Speaker 1: little deeper into your perspective on this. You think that
[46:40] Speaker 1: when people have the abduction or contact experience with the
[46:44] Speaker 1: Grays or the Nordics or whatever extraterrestrial, that it's a
[46:48] Speaker 1: deception and it's really a demonic being?
[46:52] Speaker 2: I do. I think it's very, very real. I would
[46:56] Speaker 2: never tell you it wasn't real. I've interacted, you know,
[47:00] Speaker 2: on some level with people who've had physicalities, tortures, rapes,
[47:05] Speaker 2: all kinds of things. And it's 100% real. The question is,
[47:14] Speaker 2: you know, the story that you believe and the story
[47:19] Speaker 2: that that entity needs you to believe. And so what
[47:22] Speaker 2: I would say is, if what I'm saying is difficult
[47:26] Speaker 2: to hear or you're offended or you think I'm closed-minded,
[47:30] Speaker 2: I would simply say to ask Jesus about it. Not
[47:36] Speaker 2: Starchild Jesus. There's one. I have. Space Jesus. I had
[47:45] Speaker 2: a friend who said, but this guy, this being shows
[47:49] Speaker 2: up in my bedroom with a Bible. Tells me all
[47:54] Speaker 2: these things. And then I said, well, do you think
[47:58] Speaker 2: he's actually ever read it? Because what he's saying is
[48:03] Speaker 2: like not. So Satan comes as an angel of light. Why? Why?
[48:09] Speaker 2: because he knows we have needs and desires and we
[48:11] Speaker 2: hunger for truth. And many people have open spiritual doors
[48:15] Speaker 2: and family lines that make them susceptible to certain experiences.
[48:19] Speaker 2: All I'm saying is it's possible that what you and
[48:24] Speaker 2: I have experienced from time to time is not what
[48:27] Speaker 2: we thought. And until we're ready to have our deepest
[48:33] Speaker 2: pet experiences challenged, we're not as honest as we might
[48:42] Speaker 2: think we are. And so I would say that probably
[48:48] Speaker 2: the people listening to this are very spiritually hungry. They're
[48:50] Speaker 2: very attuned. They're interested. They want to know the deeper truth.
[48:55] Speaker 2: And I would just encourage people to ask Jesus to
[49:02] Speaker 2: show them the truth with a capital T, and if
[49:04] Speaker 2: there's any deception, to reveal it and let the process
[49:08] Speaker 2: play out. I think that's invitational. And I've had to
[49:13] Speaker 2: do that in my life with him a bunch of
[49:15] Speaker 2: times where I was really, really set on what made
[49:18] Speaker 2: me feel safe and comfortable. and on the reality that
[49:21] Speaker 2: I had invested in. And I had to, to some very,
[49:26] Speaker 2: very difficult times to say, you know, this really scares
[49:30] Speaker 2: me and terrifies me to talk to you about, because
[49:34] Speaker 2: you might tell me, I believe things that aren't true,
[49:38] Speaker 2: but I can't afford to. not to know the truth
[49:41] Speaker 2: in Jesus. You said you were the way, the truth,
[49:45] Speaker 2: and the life, and not a way, a truth, and
[49:49] Speaker 2: a life. So for lots of reasons that we'll talk
[49:52] Speaker 2: about in another show maybe, that's where I land. And
[49:57] Speaker 2: so I've had those white knuckle experiences with him. So
[50:04] Speaker 2: I'm not preaching without having been through it.
[50:09] Speaker 1: Now, earlier you mentioned that you believe we're in Satan's
[50:12] Speaker 1: little season.
[50:13] Speaker 2: He's in at all times, but it's a season where
[50:17] Speaker 2: he's let out for a short.
[50:18] Speaker 4: Period of time.
[50:19] Speaker 1: For people that aren't familiar, according to the Bible, how
[50:22] Speaker 1: does this season play out and what happens next?
[50:27] Speaker 2: Well, it's so interesting. There's very, very little information in
[50:34] Speaker 2: the Bible about it other than it is a thing
[50:38] Speaker 2: and it's And that somebody is going to live through it.
[50:43] Speaker 2: Most Christians have never thought that maybe it could be
[50:45] Speaker 2: us because we've been taught so much. Another set of
[50:49] Speaker 2: ideas about revelation. I'm not the most expert expert. He
[50:54] Speaker 2: like Paul stops as a genius on this. And there's
[50:56] Speaker 2: a bunch of others who they, you know, that's all
[50:58] Speaker 2: they podcast about. But, but in the timeline that puts
[51:02] Speaker 2: us that Jesus is coming back, but, we're way farther
[51:07] Speaker 2: in the timeline and the, and the next, the next
[51:10] Speaker 2: thing on the timeline is the great white throne judgment.
[51:13] Speaker 2: That's where no more playing around. People, people will stand
[51:17] Speaker 2: or fail based on what God they picked and how
[51:20] Speaker 2: they lived. And versus most people think we're way farther
[51:26] Speaker 2: back waiting for the antichrist and, you know, the, the,
[51:29] Speaker 2: the tribulation and stuff. And I believe it's already passed. And,
[51:35] Speaker 2: and we're in a very unique, period of time. And
[51:37] Speaker 2: it makes complete sense if you understand that it talks
[51:41] Speaker 2: about a global deception, that he's loosed to deceive all
[51:45] Speaker 2: the nations. And interestingly enough, it culminates with him gathering
[51:50] Speaker 2: the nations to fight against Jesus who's revealed and the
[51:55] Speaker 2: saints and where they are, the saints that were reigning.
[51:58] Speaker 2: And that sounds to me a lot like a misunderstood
[52:01] Speaker 2: alien invasion that everyone would want to fight against because
[52:05] Speaker 2: we're being programmed now to expect one. And that's an
[52:08] Speaker 2: interesting thing. Paul Stobbs talks about that a lot.
[52:11] Speaker 4: He's a genius.
[52:13] Speaker 2: So if anybody really wants to understand this little season idea,
[52:17] Speaker 2: he has spent less time talking about it publicly because
[52:21] Speaker 2: he's interested in his Nephilim series. But if you go
[52:25] Speaker 2: back into his videos and look up anything that Paul Stobbs,
[52:30] Speaker 2: Understanding Conspiracy is his channel. Anything that he has put
[52:35] Speaker 2: out about the Little Season, he is the most comprehensive
[52:40] Speaker 2: commentator on it that I've ever heard. There's also this
[52:43] Speaker 2: really cool podcast called the Little Season Podcast. And they
[52:47] Speaker 2: go through it philosophically like they have engineering brains. And
[52:51] Speaker 2: they go through it. why, why would God let Satan out?
[52:55] Speaker 2: And what would the purpose of that be? And it's fascinating, but, um,
[52:59] Speaker 2: it would put us way farther down the timeline and
[53:02] Speaker 2: Jesus's return would be, would be the final comeuppance.
[53:07] Speaker 1: We are in interesting times indeed. Last couple of minutes,
[53:12] Speaker 1: anything that we didn't cover or final thoughts that you'd
[53:15] Speaker 1: like to leave the audience with?
[53:18] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, in the end, you and I can
[53:20] Speaker 2: ballet back and forth and, I could be wrong about
[53:23] Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, but I'm not wrong about what
[53:25] Speaker 2: happened in the last eight years. And I want your
[53:29] Speaker 2: kids understand it. Like I said, my books are not
[53:33] Speaker 2: Christian books. They're truth telling books to help them understand
[53:36] Speaker 2: through metaphor, the concepts of how populations are controlled, how
[53:44] Speaker 2: subjective experiences can be used to manipulate us very far
[53:47] Speaker 2: away from truth. how the corruption of education, medicine, media, science,
[53:56] Speaker 2: and world economics are used against us and weaponized against individuals.
[54:05] Speaker 2: And I think that's a conversation worth having. And by
[54:08] Speaker 2: the way, if you go to my website, which is
[54:12] Speaker 2: really the only place you can get my books for
[54:14] Speaker 2: a decent price, they're on Amazon. But you're going to
[54:17] Speaker 2: pay more. But if you go to The Quest for Wonder, thequestforwonder.com,
[54:23] Speaker 2: you can get an individual book there. But if you
[54:25] Speaker 2: buy the three book bundle, you get the first three books,
[54:29] Speaker 2: the first bundle, you get the audio books for free.
[54:33] Speaker 1: Nice.
[54:34] Speaker 2: So you can listen in the car to what your
[54:36] Speaker 2: kids will be reading and you can have conversations because
[54:40] Speaker 2: you want to discuss this. Maybe you'll find points that
[54:43] Speaker 2: are in the books you want to you want to
[54:45] Speaker 2: disagree with, I don't know, but you, you will hear it.
[54:48] Speaker 2: You'll know what your kids are reading. And if your
[54:51] Speaker 2: kids are reticent to start a book, you can start
[54:54] Speaker 2: listening with them. And after the first chapter on the
[54:57] Speaker 2: audio book, you can go, well, now let's pick that
[54:59] Speaker 2: book up in our hands because they're fully illustrated 20
[55:03] Speaker 2: full color illustrations on magazine quality paper, because you don't
[55:08] Speaker 2: tell kids that the color is a metaphor for revelation
[55:11] Speaker 2: and give them black and white books.
[55:13] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[55:14] Speaker 2: Nobody illustrates books, chapter books, for kids 10 to 14.
[55:19] Speaker 2: But these are fully illustrated. It's a VIP book experience.
[55:24] Speaker 2: So if you go to the Quest for Wonder and
[55:26] Speaker 2: you get the three-book bundle, the first three are available
[55:30] Speaker 2: right now. You'll get the audiobooks for free. You'll get
[55:33] Speaker 2: the adventure map. And then you can pre-order... four, five,
[55:37] Speaker 2: and six. And this is the one where, you know,
[55:39] Speaker 2: that talks about the, the, the jab injuries helps the
[55:42] Speaker 2: kids understand that. And this is the one book five
[55:45] Speaker 2: that talks about the world economic forum and the great
[55:47] Speaker 2: reset and weather weaponry.
[55:49] Speaker 4: Awesome.
[55:50] Speaker 2: And, and they're super fun. And by the way, my character,
[55:54] Speaker 2: my evil characters are hilarious because, you know, evil people really,
[55:58] Speaker 2: they have sort of a dumb side, you know, of
[56:01] Speaker 2: a crazy side, but, and so you can pre-order the, four, five,
[56:06] Speaker 2: and six. And also I was going to say, I
[56:08] Speaker 2: have study guides for, for one through three. So if
[56:11] Speaker 2: you are a home educating family, or you just want
[56:14] Speaker 2: to have some deeper understanding and you want to have
[56:17] Speaker 2: some smart, smarty pants questions to throw out to your
[56:21] Speaker 2: kids while they read, you know, because regardless of, of
[56:27] Speaker 2: whether you guys diverge with my opinions on something else,
[56:31] Speaker 2: we got to tell our kids what's really happened. And
[56:36] Speaker 2: you can take that to the bank in these books
[56:39] Speaker 2: because I'm telling 20 years from now, people will pick
[56:43] Speaker 2: up these books because they're not consumables. They're really super
[56:45] Speaker 2: high quality. They'll be on your shelf for a long time.
[56:48] Speaker 2: They'll pick up these books and go, oh, my gosh,
[56:51] Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened to us.
[56:53] Speaker 4: Right.
[56:54] Speaker 2: So you want to be able to help your kids
[56:57] Speaker 2: understand that and also have fun. You know, we got
[57:02] Speaker 2: to laugh. We got to have a great time. We
[57:03] Speaker 2: got to read good things and wake up on the
[57:07] Speaker 2: sunny side of the street, no matter what season it is.
[57:10] Speaker 4: Yes.
[57:11] Speaker 1: Julie, thank you so much.
[57:12] Speaker 4: Great work.
[57:13] Speaker 1: One more time. Let the audience know how they can
[57:15] Speaker 1: pick up your books.
[57:17] Speaker 2: Go to thequestforwonder.com. And that's the best way to get
[57:25] Speaker 2: the books. I do have a website, julielavender.com. My full
[57:30] Speaker 2: name is Julie Lavender Ledoux. There is another Julie Lavender
[57:34] Speaker 2: out there who writes books. Julie Lavender Ledoux, which is
[57:39] Speaker 2: my husband's last name. Remember that. But really focus on
[57:43] Speaker 2: the books for your kids, thequestforwonder.com. And I think you'll
[57:49] Speaker 2: be glad that you did.
[57:51] Speaker 1: Excellent. We'll definitely do this again. So much more we
[57:54] Speaker 1: could get into. Until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.
[57:58] Speaker 1: We will talk again tomorrow. See y'all then. This is
[58:01] Speaker 1: a clip from Aliens and Angels, available on the Forbidden
[58:05] Speaker 1: Knowledge Network. Visit our website, forbiddenknowledge.news, or any podcast platform.
[58:14] Speaker 4: Early on, I had an apparition, and I don't know
[58:19] Speaker 4: if it was physically there or I was seeing it
[58:21] Speaker 4: through my mind's eye. I don't know. I was very young.
[58:25] Speaker 4: And it was a fiery griffin. So it had the
[58:28] Speaker 4: head and the wings of an eagle, but it had
[58:30] Speaker 4: the body of a lion. And it just let me
[58:33] Speaker 4: know at the time I had no concept for telepathy
[58:37] Speaker 4: or anything really, but it let me know that all
[58:40] Speaker 4: I had to do was summon it and it would
[58:42] Speaker 4: come and protect me. And there was nothing for me
[58:44] Speaker 4: to be afraid of. So after that, every time I
[58:47] Speaker 4: had this happen, I would summon my fiery griffin. I
[58:52] Speaker 4: didn't even know it was a griffin until I was
[58:55] Speaker 4: in my 20s. And I was looking through a book
[58:57] Speaker 4: that had legends and myths and stuff. And then I
[59:00] Speaker 4: saw a griffin and I went, oh, my God, that's
[59:03] Speaker 4: a griffin. So, yeah, I didn't have language for it.
[59:06] Speaker 4: So there was that, too. But I don't. remember being
[59:12] Speaker 4: empathetic or compassionate to spirit beings the way you described.
[59:17] Speaker 4: I think it's quite wonderful that you could do that.
[59:20] Speaker 4: But it must have been a bit of a burden
[59:22] Speaker 4: also for you to carry, wasn't it? It was.
[59:26] Speaker 3: You know, for many, many years, you know, I was–
[59:29] Speaker 3: terrified of spirit. It took me many years. And even
[59:32] Speaker 3: when I was, I went into my teens, went into
[59:34] Speaker 3: early adulthood, you know, I had girlfriends, partners, things like that. And,
[59:39] Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't just me experiencing it. It was
[59:43] Speaker 3: everybody else that was there with me would experience not
[59:48] Speaker 3: spirit specifically, but they would experience my fear. You know,
[59:51] Speaker 3: it's something that was paramount to everybody, everybody's own experiences.
[59:57] Speaker 3: But for me, you know, I look back now and
[1:00:00] Speaker 3: I understand that I experienced what I was meant to experience,
[1:00:05] Speaker 3: you know, for this journey. And, you know, I probably
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: wouldn't be the medium I am today if it weren't
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: for those experiences, those encounters, the fact I started to
[1:00:14] Speaker 3: see them at such a young age. Would I be
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: able to cope seeing them how they were now? Because
[1:00:20] Speaker 3: I still do. I still experience their passing, the most
[1:00:24] Speaker 3: graphic detail. And, you know, when I do more readings,
[1:00:27] Speaker 3: it's the first thing that they give me. They give
[1:00:28] Speaker 3: me their passing.
[1:00:31] Speaker 4: Interesting. So it must be important. It must be important.
[1:00:34] Speaker 4: But I agree with you. I think the experiences that
[1:00:37] Speaker 4: we've had are for a purpose and they do. They
[1:00:41] Speaker 4: shape our reality. They shape our lives. And sometimes we
[1:00:44] Speaker 4: don't notice that until later on. We look back and
[1:00:47] Speaker 4: then we have hindsight. I want to ask you a
[1:00:50] Speaker 4: question from Denise. She says, Nick, at night in the dark,
[1:00:54] Speaker 4: I see all these people. They look older from the past.
[1:00:58] Speaker 4: What am I seeing?
[1:00:59] Speaker 3: And, you know, there's one piece of detail that you
[1:01:06] Speaker 3: have to remember is that you're seeing them in the dark.
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: And this is how I've always experienced spirit. You know,
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: they come through, but it's like they're not within the dark.
[1:01:18] Speaker 3: It's like they're over encased in their own light. It's
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: like they're in their own world and we're seeing into it,
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: but they're here with us. And that's one thing to
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: note is that are we physically seeing them here with
[1:01:31] Speaker 3: us or are we seeing them where they are? Because
[1:01:34] Speaker 3: how can they come through within their own light and
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: not emit that light into the room? It's self-contained. But
[1:01:42] Speaker 3: this is exactly how I have experienced spirit. And you know,
[1:01:46] Speaker 3: the more I try to push it back, go against,
[1:01:50] Speaker 3: you know, the grain, I suppose, of wanting to communicate
[1:01:53] Speaker 3: to these beings, it would become more heavy, more burdenful.
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: So it was like, if I ignored one, they would
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: come with another. If I ignored them, they would come
[1:02:03] Speaker 3: with others. And it was like the same thing about
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: so many spirit around me. But I believe, you know,
[1:02:11] Speaker 3: you get to the point where you experience all these
[1:02:14] Speaker 3: spirit because there is a purpose, there is a meaning
[1:02:17] Speaker 3: for you to experience them? Are you accepting their invitation?
[1:02:22] Speaker 3: You know, is it the right time for you to
[1:02:25] Speaker 3: maybe start progressing into communicating with spirit, to working with spirits?
[1:02:29] Speaker 3: Because as we start that journey of development, it is
[1:02:33] Speaker 3: the one thing that we have to learn to accept
[1:02:35] Speaker 3: is that it's a union of the two worlds. And
[1:02:38] Speaker 3: it's not just, you know, I have to work with them.
[1:02:42] Speaker 3: It's a combination of we work together. So I think this,
[1:02:46] Speaker 3: you know, having a very similar experience is probably what
[1:02:49] Speaker 3: it is for you. Yeah.
[1:02:51] Speaker 4: That's very interesting. Yeah. So I'm, I'm correct me if
[1:02:57] Speaker 4: I'm wrong, but it sounds like your advice to Denise
[1:03:00] Speaker 4: is work on getting the essence of the, of the message,
[1:03:05] Speaker 4: because obviously spirits are bringing other spirits with them to
[1:03:08] Speaker 4: try to get her attention. Am I hearing you correctly
[1:03:13] Speaker 4: or do you have further?
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: No, no, that's it. You know, Maybe it's the calling.
[1:03:17] Speaker 3: Maybe it's the calling. Depending on how long you've been
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: experiencing these visitations, maybe you're at the point now that
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: the fact you're asking questions, it concerns you. It's not
[1:03:29] Speaker 3: something you want to keep experiencing. But the one piece
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: of advice I'll do, and I'll probably say, is learn
[1:03:35] Speaker 3: to work with them. Because not only can we set
[1:03:38] Speaker 3: the intention for them not to come through and they
[1:03:41] Speaker 3: will listen. but you can also develop that connection as well.
[1:03:45] Speaker 3: So I'd advise maybe going to a spiritualist church, speaking
[1:03:49] Speaker 3: to a more experienced medium, somebody that has really gone
[1:03:53] Speaker 3: through something similar, but not only that, someone that has experience.
[1:03:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's really, really good advice. You know,
[1:04:04] Speaker 4: I was raised where when I tried to talk to
[1:04:08] Speaker 4: my mum about experiences I was having, she would really
[1:04:15] Speaker 4: get upset with me. She didn't punish me, but she
[1:04:18] Speaker 4: would tell me, don't talk like that. You have an
[1:04:21] Speaker 4: overactive imagination. The neighbors are going to think you're crazy.
[1:04:26] Speaker 4: Everyone's going to think the family's crazy. You're going to
[1:04:29] Speaker 4: ruin everything. Don't talk about it. Well, I always had
[1:04:33] Speaker 4: a spiritual kind of leaning. And so I used to
[1:04:37] Speaker 4: walk to whatever churches were in the neighborhood. I wasn't
[1:04:40] Speaker 4: too attached to the religion, but they were all Christian religions.
[1:04:45] Speaker 4: It didn't matter which one I went to. I would
[1:04:47] Speaker 4: then ask a questions about my paranormal experiences. Then I
[1:04:51] Speaker 4: was told, oh, you do not want to be doing that.
[1:04:55] Speaker 4: That's the devil. Those are demons. Like we're really persuaded
[1:05:00] Speaker 4: by the psychiatric industry, by the different religions, by our
[1:05:05] Speaker 4: social culture. to be afraid of these things. And so
[1:05:10] Speaker 4: our knee-jerk reaction is, oh, my God, am I in trouble?
[1:05:14] Speaker 4: And people not understanding what's going on. I'm wondering if
[1:05:18] Speaker 4: you could speak to that, Nick. And like you suggested,
[1:05:22] Speaker 4: the spiritualist church, that's a great idea. Go ahead.
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: A lot of what we experience as we go through life,
[1:05:30] Speaker 3: it is guided by the people that we surround ourselves with.
[1:05:34] Speaker 3: So obviously I was brought up with the church. you know,
[1:05:37] Speaker 3: initially used to go to Sunday school, used to go
[1:05:39] Speaker 3: to church quite often. My mum were friends with people
[1:05:42] Speaker 3: from the church. So I was brought up with the church,
[1:05:45] Speaker 3: you know, from a very early age. But the one
[1:05:49] Speaker 3: thing that I've come to realise is that you will
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: understand as you go through this journey that there is
[1:05:56] Speaker 3: something more than what is, you know, perceived through religion.
[1:06:01] Speaker 3: Religion is, you know, obviously you're reading teachings, what you
[1:06:05] Speaker 3: read in the Bible and whatever it is, but you
[1:06:09] Speaker 3: will realize as you go through this journey that there
[1:06:12] Speaker 3: is something more. And, you know, spirituality encompasses everything, all religions,
[1:06:18] Speaker 3: all experiences, everything is, you know, within that umbrella. But
[1:06:24] Speaker 3: the meaning of spirituality is that it's your own journey.
[1:06:27] Speaker 3: It is your own experiences. It is everything that you
[1:06:30] Speaker 3: go through that you realize that the religion can't explain.
[1:06:36] Speaker 3: And But, you know, for me, religion is also based
[1:06:39] Speaker 3: on fear. The fact that you have to follow, you know, rules, commandments,
[1:06:43] Speaker 3: whatever it is, to abide by that religion. And, you know,
[1:06:47] Speaker 3: there were many things that I would speak to people
[1:06:51] Speaker 3: about within the church. And they would class it off as,
[1:06:55] Speaker 3: you know, demonic or things that you shouldn't do. But,
[1:07:00] Speaker 3: you know, with my experience and understanding these beings, for me,
[1:07:04] Speaker 3: it wasn't a choosing. It was something that was given
[1:07:08] Speaker 3: to me and I knew I had to do something
[1:07:10] Speaker 3: with it. So you will find your calling along this journey,
[1:07:15] Speaker 3: even if you are a Catholic, because I know a
[1:07:19] Speaker 3: lot of Catholics that have turned from that religion to spirituality,
[1:07:25] Speaker 3: especially when I do my evening of spirit, my physical
[1:07:27] Speaker 3: mediumship demonstrations. The first thing I have to ask, is
[1:07:31] Speaker 3: anybody a Catholic? Because I know I have to break
[1:07:34] Speaker 3: down it into into smaller terms and have to experience
[1:07:38] Speaker 3: and explain everything that's about to happen. But, you know,
[1:07:42] Speaker 3: religion is just another doorway into what we really are.
[1:07:47] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think so too. I'm wondering if you
[1:07:52] Speaker 4: would like to talk a little bit about the differences
[1:07:56] Speaker 4: between spirit creatures or spirits that have passed that were
[1:08:01] Speaker 4: human but no longer corporeal and ETs and the spiritual
[1:08:07] Speaker 4: realms like the angels. It seems to me there's a
[1:08:09] Speaker 4: lot of overlap. You know, there's a common saying, someone
[1:08:15] Speaker 4: just mentioned it in the chat, saying if it's angels
[1:08:18] Speaker 4: and demons, they don't need flying saucers. They don't need spaceships.
[1:08:23] Speaker 4: They have their own trans-dimensional ways of being and doing.
[1:08:29] Speaker 4: But I also see ETs as being trans-dimensional, meaning trans,
[1:08:35] Speaker 4: meaning interdimensional. They can go to and from. And, of course,
[1:08:40] Speaker 4: then there's the spiritual realms, like I mentioned, the angels.
[1:08:43] Speaker 4: Is there a way to slice and dice it that
[1:08:46] Speaker 4: it makes sense? Or what's your understanding of these phenomena
[1:08:50] Speaker 4: and how they're similar or different?
[1:08:52] Speaker 3: Well, you see, there's two ways I can go about this.
[1:08:55] Speaker 3: I can either go with my own experience. Or I
[1:08:58] Speaker 3: can go with what I believe. And, you know, with
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: what I believe, you know, is my opinion from what
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: I know from somebody else. So I would rather keep
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: it with my own experiences because, you know, I've experienced
[1:09:10] Speaker 3: all these things together through my journey. And, you know,
[1:09:15] Speaker 3: spirit for me, they are... They are beings, beings of light.
[1:09:21] Speaker 3: And we are. We're beings of light as well. So
[1:09:24] Speaker 3: my experience growing up with spirit has always been they're
[1:09:30] Speaker 3: beings that come through looking human-like. They come through looking
[1:09:33] Speaker 3: like us. They come through looking like how they did
[1:09:36] Speaker 3: when they were alive. But, you know, when you get
[1:09:39] Speaker 3: to that point of experience and level of understanding spirit,
[1:09:44] Speaker 3: that is when they show you their true form. And
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: their true form isn't looking like us. Their true form
[1:09:50] Speaker 3: is energy, pure energy. And they will come through as
[1:09:53] Speaker 3: such when the time is right. And this is one
[1:09:56] Speaker 3: thing that I, someone has said to me, and this
[1:09:58] Speaker 3: is what I say to others, is that they will
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: always come through in a way that is right for you.
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: And for me, this evolution that I have been through
[1:10:08] Speaker 3: with these various beings is that they are all of
[1:10:12] Speaker 3: the same thing. You know, Angels, demons, these types of
[1:10:17] Speaker 3: things is what we've called them through religion. Until you've
[1:10:22] Speaker 3: experienced these creatures, I mean, I say creatures, I don't
[1:10:26] Speaker 3: know what they are. I just know of what I
[1:10:28] Speaker 3: have experienced. But my experience with spirit, you know, has
[1:10:34] Speaker 3: been sort of the foundational aspect. And I believe that
[1:10:37] Speaker 3: there's an evolution of these beings and entities that you
[1:10:42] Speaker 3: will go through if you're meant to. And so as
[1:10:47] Speaker 3: I went through and it's all, it's all in my
[1:10:48] Speaker 3: books or detailed in there. Um, it started off with
[1:10:51] Speaker 3: spirit that then moved on to, to light beings. It
[1:10:55] Speaker 3: then moved on to UFOs, interdimensional beings, and then ETS. Um,
[1:11:01] Speaker 3: and to me, do I believe that all these things
[1:11:04] Speaker 3: are separate or do I think they're all encompassed under
[1:11:07] Speaker 3: the same or similar thing? Because we have always separated them,
[1:11:12] Speaker 3: you know, through, through our history. You have the spirit realm,
[1:11:16] Speaker 3: and then you have the ETs and the aliens. What
[1:11:19] Speaker 3: if they actually merge together? And what we perceive as
[1:11:24] Speaker 3: these things are, in fact, very much entwined and similar.
[1:11:28] Speaker 3: They're all part of the spiritual awareness that we all perceive.
[1:11:34] Speaker 3: Because what is going on at the moment, especially in
[1:11:36] Speaker 3: America and around the world, is that we are seeing
[1:11:40] Speaker 3: a lot more UFOs. We are having more experiences with ETs.
[1:11:45] Speaker 3: with spirits and other beings beyond this realm. So why
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: do we have to separate them? Why can't they all
[1:11:51] Speaker 3: be encompassed within a similar construct?
[1:11:57] Speaker 4: I actually very easily see things that way as well.
[1:12:02] Speaker 4: I tend to see things from different perspectives. And then
[1:12:06] Speaker 4: I try to synthesize the data. And rather than have
[1:12:12] Speaker 4: beliefs I try to have working theories so that when
[1:12:16] Speaker 4: I get new data, I can alter my perception of
[1:12:21] Speaker 4: reality as I see fit. And I like to keep
[1:12:24] Speaker 4: things more fluid. Other people don't like that. They want
[1:12:27] Speaker 4: things just to feel concrete. Me, not so much. But,
[1:12:31] Speaker 4: you know, in line to what you just said, I
[1:12:35] Speaker 4: also think that there's really one phenomenon. And you know
[1:12:41] Speaker 4: how people... experience mediumship, people experience lucid dreaming, astral projection,
[1:12:48] Speaker 4: near-death experiences, remote viewing, and I could go on and on.
[1:12:54] Speaker 4: I think that's all part of what is part of
[1:12:58] Speaker 4: our gift in being human. I believe we have these technologies.
[1:13:02] Speaker 4: We have these abilities. Of course, it has been, you know,
[1:13:07] Speaker 4: I believe we live in a construct that has been
[1:13:11] Speaker 4: created not for our best interests at heart. Let me
[1:13:15] Speaker 4: just put it.
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: Watch Doors of Perception now on Amazon Prime. Hey guys,
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: I want to reintroduce you all to C60 Power. C60
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: is a super antioxidant. It works at the cellular level
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: to neutralize oxidative stress and free radicals. It promotes a
[1:13:34] Speaker 1: healthy inflammatory response, a balanced immune and histamine response, and
[1:13:39] Speaker 1: most people note an increase in energy and mental clarity
[1:13:43] Speaker 1: when adding it to their daily morning routine. I started
[1:13:46] Speaker 1: taking C60 in 2020, and the benefits I've experienced are
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. I used to be overweight, sick, and tired
[1:13:55] Speaker 1: all the time. After six months of C60 use, I
[1:13:59] Speaker 1: lost tons of weight, I got all my energy back,
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: and I haven't even been sick since then. I'm not
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: saying that this is because of C60 in any way,
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: but it happened while I was taking it. One more
[1:14:12] Speaker 1: thing to reiterate, it's a super antioxidant. Without making any
[1:14:17] Speaker 1: big claims about prevention of certain big bad illnesses, I'll
[1:14:22] Speaker 1: say there's a reason the product is expensive. Because it works.
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: Use the link in the description, check out all their products,
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: including gummies, oils, and even face creams. You'll get 10%
[1:14:35] Speaker 1: off the entire order by using the link or code
[1:14:38] Speaker 1: FORBIDDEN10 at checkout.

Shows are listed from Apple Podcasts' charts and directory, and Podcast Index where it is used. Every show and episode belongs to its publisher and plays from the publisher's own feed; this site hosts none of them.