# Kaedrich Olsen | Systematic Suppression of the Paranormal Realms, Humans vs Egregores

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 2 Aug 2026, 1 h 04 min.

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[0:45] Speaker 1: to the show Kadrick Olson. He is an internationally renowned author, speaker,
[0:49] Speaker 1: and teacher who specializes in divergent paths of spiritual growth. Kdrick,
[0:54] Speaker 1: Welcome back. How you doing.
[0:56] Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Thanks for having me back. How are
[0:59] Speaker 2: you doing.
[1:00] Speaker 1: I'm doing excellent. It's great to have you back. Today.
[1:02] Speaker 1: You wanted to discuss the active suppression of spirituality and
[1:06] Speaker 1: spiritual abilities within humans, which keeps us locked into a
[1:11] Speaker 1: limited material existence. It seems to be the opposite of
[1:15] Speaker 1: what we're supposed to be doing here. Even within the
[1:19] Speaker 1: framework of religion and many theological belief systems, mechanisms of
[1:25] Speaker 1: control have been integrated for the benefit of the few
[1:29] Speaker 1: within the ruling class. But now we've entered a new
[1:32] Speaker 1: era of awareness about the nature of our systems, the
[1:37] Speaker 1: nature of reality, and people are looking for answers. There's
[1:42] Speaker 1: a lot of information right now, but there's also a
[1:45] Speaker 1: lot of bad information, so it gets difficult to sift
[1:48] Speaker 1: through everything. And I'm looking forward to getting your insights
[1:51] Speaker 1: into this. Before we do, remind the audience a little
[1:54] Speaker 1: bit about yourself and let them know how they can
[1:56] Speaker 1: find more.
[1:58] Speaker 2: Absolutely, the best way to find me is my name
[2:01] Speaker 2: K Trick k AE D R I C H. Go
[2:04] Speaker 2: to Ktrick dot com, go to Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Google,
[2:08] Speaker 2: type in my name. I like to say that my
[2:10] Speaker 2: name is a key that opens many doors, so give
[2:13] Speaker 2: it a shot. But a bit about me and this
[2:16] Speaker 2: paranormal stuff. I can literally say I was born into
[2:19] Speaker 2: the paranormal. My mom's obstetrician held regular seances in his
[2:25] Speaker 2: home and he wrote a book about his paranormal experiences.
[2:30] Speaker 2: And he was a regular lecturer at the Spiritualist church
[2:33] Speaker 2: that was my church that I grew up in, And
[2:36] Speaker 2: a Spiritualist church is like your typical Protestant church, but
[2:40] Speaker 2: services ended with one to three trans channelers coming up
[2:44] Speaker 2: on the stage and doing channeling Saturday nights. There were
[2:48] Speaker 2: seances in the church basement that we attended, and my
[2:52] Speaker 2: mom got me going in psychic development classes at an
[2:55] Speaker 2: early age, so this is something that's been a part
[2:58] Speaker 2: of Plus, I grew up in a house that was
[3:01] Speaker 2: very haunted. There was paranormal activity on a daily basis,
[3:05] Speaker 2: and I had my bedroom down in the basement all
[3:08] Speaker 2: by myself, which opened up all sorts of interesting little
[3:12] Speaker 2: fear bits because I would say that was my first
[3:16] Speaker 2: exposure to how our spirituality can really get repressed and
[3:21] Speaker 2: pushed down. Because even as a kid, I loved watching
[3:24] Speaker 2: horror movies. You know, it was just kind of a thing.
[3:27] Speaker 2: Oh how I am even to this day.
[3:29] Speaker 1: Saying here, man, I was the same way.
[3:32] Speaker 2: And knowing I lived in a haunted house, you know,
[3:34] Speaker 2: you could see TV dials change, you'd hear footsteps. I
[3:37] Speaker 2: knew there were spirits in the house. And even though
[3:39] Speaker 2: I went to the spiritualist church and I had very
[3:41] Speaker 2: positive experiences with the paranormal, and I mean that they
[3:45] Speaker 2: were all very positive. I was having a hard time
[3:48] Speaker 2: as a child rectifying what I would see in the movies,
[3:51] Speaker 2: the ghost toys that you'd hear at school, the stuff
[3:53] Speaker 2: that would be on TV that were all scary paranormal stuff,
[3:57] Speaker 2: and then you'd hear the religious people saying, no, these
[3:59] Speaker 2: are demons and these are evil spirits trying to attack you.
[4:02] Speaker 2: Of course, it scared the hell out of me being
[4:05] Speaker 2: a kid trying to rectify what I'm being told and
[4:09] Speaker 2: then experiencing the complete opposite.
[4:12] Speaker 1: Can you give us some examples of what you were experiencing.
[4:15] Speaker 1: You said they were mostly positive.
[4:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, even for example, just going to sleep
[4:20] Speaker 2: at night was kind of challenging because I was sensitive.
[4:22] Speaker 2: I was aware. I could feel spiritual activity going on,
[4:27] Speaker 2: and being in the dark basement by myself, I could
[4:30] Speaker 2: feel there were spirits in the room, and I really
[4:33] Speaker 2: was trying to figure out, like, are they here attacking me?
[4:36] Speaker 2: Am I going to get possessed? What's going on here?
[4:40] Speaker 2: And I learned that if I turned on the TV
[4:42] Speaker 2: and had a TV real close to the bed. There
[4:44] Speaker 2: was something about that TV, like maybe electromagnetic interference that
[4:48] Speaker 2: set up something around that they would leave me alone
[4:52] Speaker 2: at night, And over time I developed the relationship with
[4:57] Speaker 2: what I call the whispers. You know, spirit guys are
[4:59] Speaker 2: like a group of advanced beings that would teach me
[5:02] Speaker 2: things and working with this fear and trying to figure
[5:06] Speaker 2: out how to get a good night's sleep, they came
[5:08] Speaker 2: in and taught me about changing energy states, clearing energy out,
[5:13] Speaker 2: setting boundaries so that things won't mess with you at night.
[5:17] Speaker 2: And I started to implement those uncertain because I'm like,
[5:20] Speaker 2: what am I getting this information from? So I started
[5:22] Speaker 2: implementing what they were teaching me, and then sure enough
[5:25] Speaker 2: I could go to bed without the TV on at night.
[5:28] Speaker 2: And it's something that even helps when I travel, Like
[5:30] Speaker 2: I notice if I go to a hotel room, the
[5:31] Speaker 2: first night is always a disturbed night of sleep. But
[5:34] Speaker 2: then I'm like, oh, yeah, set your boundary, set the energies,
[5:37] Speaker 2: and then after that, no matter how long I'm in
[5:39] Speaker 2: the hotel, it's so much easier. So that's an example
[5:43] Speaker 2: of how that fear turned into something positive because it
[5:46] Speaker 2: helped me understand what was going on, how to work
[5:48] Speaker 2: with it, how to deal with it because of spirit communication.
[5:54] Speaker 1: Would you say, throughout all of your experiences up until
[5:58] Speaker 1: now you had primarily positive experiences or did you have
[6:03] Speaker 1: negative experience as well?
[6:05] Speaker 2: I would say the vast, overwhelming majority has been neutral
[6:08] Speaker 2: to positive.
[6:09] Speaker 1: Okay.
[6:10] Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that's interesting about human
[6:13] Speaker 2: beings on this planet is we get so worried about
[6:16] Speaker 2: what other people think about us, the way we're looking,
[6:18] Speaker 2: the way we're acting, the way we could be perceived.
[6:22] Speaker 2: But in reality, if you're walking down the street, you
[6:25] Speaker 2: go into a busy place, a vast majority of the
[6:27] Speaker 2: people out there just don't even notice. They don't even care,
[6:30] Speaker 2: and so we're psyching ourselves up and getting ourselves all
[6:34] Speaker 2: riled up over nothing. Well, the same is true with
[6:37] Speaker 2: the spiritual world. There's just spirits everywhere, energy is everywhere,
[6:41] Speaker 2: and a vast majority of them just don't care. So
[6:45] Speaker 2: majority of paranormal experiences are completely neutral, and then the
[6:48] Speaker 2: ones that are direct and intentional have been really positive.
[6:53] Speaker 2: When I really think about it, I think I've only
[6:54] Speaker 2: had two negative experiences that were directly associated with me.
[6:59] Speaker 2: But working with and students over the decades. Yeah, there's
[7:03] Speaker 2: been some pretty heinous situations, but they're not what people
[7:08] Speaker 2: were told they were. You know, we're always told that
[7:10] Speaker 2: every ghost is a demon, that is something bad's happening
[7:13] Speaker 2: in your house and you're under demonic attack. And I
[7:16] Speaker 2: found that's absolutely not true. That our misperception of what's
[7:21] Speaker 2: going on actually creates more fear, and that fear actually
[7:23] Speaker 2: creates the problems that people are experiencing. So when I've
[7:27] Speaker 2: encountered those negative situations, it's less about what to do
[7:30] Speaker 2: with the home and less what to do with the spirit.
[7:32] Speaker 2: There is some of that, but it's more to do
[7:34] Speaker 2: with the people living there shifting their understanding and helping
[7:38] Speaker 2: them to really develop the skills to coexist with what's
[7:42] Speaker 2: in the house. And then I've seen all the paranormal activity,
[7:45] Speaker 2: all the unwanted stuff, completely end because of that shift
[7:48] Speaker 2: and understanding.
[7:50] Speaker 1: Let's get into what you wanted to discuss tonight about
[7:54] Speaker 1: the suppression of spirituality. Looking back at what we have
[7:59] Speaker 1: as far as documentation about our spiritual past and ancient history,
[8:04] Speaker 1: it seems there have been ups and downs throughout history
[8:08] Speaker 1: as far as the suppression of spirituality, the understanding that
[8:14] Speaker 1: people had of spiritual principles. We definitely seem to be
[8:19] Speaker 1: in a downside during this period of time as far
[8:24] Speaker 1: as our modern interaction and understanding of spirituality. When do
[8:30] Speaker 1: you think this started to get suppressed.
[8:33] Speaker 2: I think the real suppression started probably a medieval period.
[8:38] Speaker 2: In my studies of ancient cultures, ancient traditions all around
[8:41] Speaker 2: the world, every culture, and I mean every culture had
[8:47] Speaker 2: had theories, had an understanding, and had practices for dealing
[8:52] Speaker 2: with the spirits, working with the spirits, existing with the
[8:54] Speaker 2: spirits in a very very positive way. And yeah, there
[8:58] Speaker 2: was some trepidation because people are people, even if they're
[9:01] Speaker 2: in spirit form rather than physical forms of jerk could
[9:04] Speaker 2: still be a jerk in the spirit and so they
[9:07] Speaker 2: had ways of dealing with problem spirits and that sort
[9:09] Speaker 2: of thing. And most of the people that had the skills,
[9:14] Speaker 2: the training, and it was their job to work on
[9:16] Speaker 2: the spiritual level, they were generally revered, they held an
[9:21] Speaker 2: honorable position in their cultures. Sometimes there was some unnerved
[9:27] Speaker 2: feelings about that. You know, people who didn't understand this
[9:30] Speaker 2: unseen world and understand the connection and what we've seen
[9:33] Speaker 2: timelessly is somebody who may be skilled in magical arts.
[9:38] Speaker 2: They are revered, their services are needed, but there's somebody
[9:40] Speaker 2: who doesn't trust it and then spins it out of
[9:43] Speaker 2: control and sort of vilifies them. That's been common for
[9:47] Speaker 2: human nature. But prior to the medieval period, it seems
[9:50] Speaker 2: like people all over the world had this positive interaction
[9:54] Speaker 2: with land spirits, ancestral spirits, last spirits, and it was
[9:58] Speaker 2: a regular thing. But then something happened in the spiritual
[10:02] Speaker 2: traditions where anything outside of Orthodoxy was demonized, anything that
[10:09] Speaker 2: wasn't part of the church was shut down. And I
[10:13] Speaker 2: do think this is just my theory. I do think
[10:15] Speaker 2: a big part of that is those people who are
[10:18] Speaker 2: spiritually aware interacting with the spirit world could tap into
[10:21] Speaker 2: something bigger than they were, had a deeper understanding of
[10:24] Speaker 2: the nature of reality, human consciousness, spiritual existence. And that
[10:29] Speaker 2: church came in and said, no, we are the only authority.
[10:32] Speaker 2: If it doesn't exist within these walls, and if it
[10:34] Speaker 2: isn't done by our authorities, it's evil, and they started
[10:39] Speaker 2: a massive campaign. You know, you've heard about the witch trials,
[10:43] Speaker 2: you've heard about the Inquisition, all of these sorts of things.
[10:49] Speaker 2: That was a very massive, concerted effort to shut down
[10:52] Speaker 2: any sort of spiritual tradition outside of the church. And
[10:57] Speaker 2: as we start getting into the seventeen hundreds eighteen high
[11:00] Speaker 2: und it's when the invention of the scientific method, people
[11:04] Speaker 2: became a bit more rational. They started to learn to
[11:07] Speaker 2: question Christianity. They started to look at the world and
[11:10] Speaker 2: start really evaluating. That started a second movement, because the
[11:16] Speaker 2: unseen world of the spiritual world is not quantifiable. It doesn't
[11:21] Speaker 2: really exist in a clinical setting where you can have
[11:24] Speaker 2: a test group and a control group and figure these
[11:27] Speaker 2: things out. It doesn't fit into these nice, easy, concrete packages,
[11:32] Speaker 2: which gave that ability to discount and say, nope, it's
[11:36] Speaker 2: not real, it's nothing happening. And as we start progressing
[11:41] Speaker 2: into the more modern times, there was a nice resurgence
[11:45] Speaker 2: with the spiritualist movement. People were getting into spirit communication.
[11:48] Speaker 2: The Luigi board came in, the fashion table tipping started happening.
[11:53] Speaker 2: People were doing automatic writing. It became a thing. People
[11:57] Speaker 2: were doing this. It was fun. People were having great experience.
[12:01] Speaker 2: But then the pr started. No, this is really demonic activity,
[12:05] Speaker 2: this is really evil stuff. And the other side of
[12:08] Speaker 2: people who are believing in spirits, people who are believing
[12:10] Speaker 2: in connection to the unseen. Well, they're mentally unstable and
[12:14] Speaker 2: they need to be institutionalized and put on drugs. This
[12:17] Speaker 2: is a mental illness, and as we continue to progress,
[12:20] Speaker 2: that's what we get into TV shows, movies, and I
[12:23] Speaker 2: don't blame them. A real paranormal experience is going to
[12:27] Speaker 2: make for a terrible movie because it's so subtle, it's
[12:30] Speaker 2: so common. People really may not realize just how common
[12:34] Speaker 2: paranormal experiences are, but they'll take one of those outlier
[12:38] Speaker 2: cases and then spin it into something huge and outrageous
[12:42] Speaker 2: and make a movie out of it. And then, of
[12:44] Speaker 2: course that reinforces that fear pattern that any spirit, any
[12:48] Speaker 2: paranormal activity, it's demonic, it's evil. You've got to cast
[12:51] Speaker 2: it out. And that just further shut down people's ability
[12:56] Speaker 2: to connect with the spirit, just made them locked in
[12:59] Speaker 2: to the physical world where they can't access the wholeness
[13:03] Speaker 2: of what reality is. And so it's been a progression
[13:06] Speaker 2: i'd say since the Middle Ages, and it's gone through
[13:09] Speaker 2: various iterations to where we are today.
[13:12] Speaker 1: There seems to have been this spiritual communication and interaction
[13:20] Speaker 1: with the metaphysical world that was hidden away and reserved
[13:25] Speaker 1: for the most wealthy and powerful at the Times and
[13:29] Speaker 1: everyone else was to stay away from it because it
[13:33] Speaker 1: was deemed evil. But at the same time, the most
[13:36] Speaker 1: wealthy and powerful, most likely we're still utilizing some of
[13:40] Speaker 1: those practices, right.
[13:42] Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely. I came across a post a few months
[13:45] Speaker 2: ago a little meme and it makes absolute sense. Millionaires,
[13:50] Speaker 2: higher accountants, billionaires, higher astrologers. And I've seen that in
[13:57] Speaker 2: client work. You know, some of the people that have
[13:59] Speaker 2: a more higher income, they're more wealthy, they seem to
[14:04] Speaker 2: have this more of a deeper connection, not necessarily deeper,
[14:07] Speaker 2: but they do seem to have a connection and interest
[14:09] Speaker 2: and a curiosity to explore it, to further themselves and
[14:13] Speaker 2: to boost that. But that is spreading out more. There's
[14:17] Speaker 2: a big shift in consciousness and awareness that more and
[14:20] Speaker 2: more people are aware of that that you don't have
[14:22] Speaker 2: to have the big income. You don't have to have
[14:25] Speaker 2: all of these financial resources at your disposal. All you
[14:29] Speaker 2: need is you in existence. And I think the more
[14:32] Speaker 2: we are doing this work, the work that you're doing,
[14:34] Speaker 2: and then we're getting this message out of the out
[14:36] Speaker 2: to the world, the more we're realizing it's not something
[14:39] Speaker 2: that needs to rely in the hands of the few,
[14:41] Speaker 2: but it's actually something accessible to everybody.
[14:45] Speaker 1: Let's try and get an understanding of these spiritual realms.
[14:51] Speaker 1: I think that we have a lot of different ideas
[14:56] Speaker 1: of what people are interacting with, what the astral planes
[15:01] Speaker 1: or metaphysical realms are, and what it means to us
[15:07] Speaker 1: as humans. There seems to be a reflective realm of
[15:14] Speaker 1: the material in the spiritual. Would you say that's accurate
[15:18] Speaker 1: that what we're experiencing here has reflection in the spiritual realms?
[15:24] Speaker 2: Absolutely. I like to tell people that energy. We got
[15:30] Speaker 2: to find a better word than energy. It's just too
[15:32] Speaker 2: commonly used for too many things. But I'm just going
[15:34] Speaker 2: to use it for now. Energy, like spiritual energy is
[15:37] Speaker 2: information and it's emotion. They're all the exact same thing.
[15:42] Speaker 2: And I'll also tell people that we are not spiritual
[15:45] Speaker 2: beings having a physical existence. We are spiritual and physical beings.
[15:50] Speaker 2: We're both having a dynamic experience. And it's just what
[15:53] Speaker 2: you said. What we do in the physical will reflect
[15:57] Speaker 2: in the spiritual and what we connect with and what
[15:59] Speaker 2: we're in interacting with, whether we're aware of it or
[16:01] Speaker 2: not in the spiritual realm, will affect us in the
[16:04] Speaker 2: physical and where we can see that is there's these
[16:10] Speaker 2: notions today of densities, like the physical realm could be
[16:15] Speaker 2: third density, our four dimensional existence three of space one
[16:19] Speaker 2: a time, our four dimensional existence in space time is
[16:22] Speaker 2: third density, whereas what we would call the afterlife, this
[16:26] Speaker 2: spiritual world, that higher realm, might be fifth density. There
[16:32] Speaker 2: is a layer in between that is kind of like
[16:35] Speaker 2: a sandbox. It's where we don't realize that most of
[16:39] Speaker 2: the time, but we are creating things in this fourth
[16:42] Speaker 2: density sandbox all the time. We're making thought forms, servitors, eggrigors,
[16:48] Speaker 2: We're creating these energy wells that exist in this fourth
[16:52] Speaker 2: density that is so very close to the physical density
[16:56] Speaker 2: that they interact all the time. This is why normal investigators,
[17:00] Speaker 2: ghost hunters, their devices will go off while you'll hear
[17:05] Speaker 2: knocking on the walls where spirits can move things. They
[17:07] Speaker 2: can sort of condense that fourth density energy to affect
[17:11] Speaker 2: those things. But it is also what causes a direct
[17:14] Speaker 2: interaction with the physical body. This is where I like
[17:17] Speaker 2: to refer to the work of hammer Off and Penrose,
[17:20] Speaker 2: whether orc or theory, where they were basically finding a
[17:24] Speaker 2: scientific explanation of how the soul interacts with the body
[17:29] Speaker 2: through all of the nerves, all the nerve endings in
[17:32] Speaker 2: our body, and that's where the fourth density energy connects
[17:36] Speaker 2: with the physical body. And that's why whenever we do
[17:41] Speaker 2: something in the physical world, any thought, any belief, repeated
[17:44] Speaker 2: behavior patterns will create an energy output that shows up
[17:49] Speaker 2: in the fourth density, and that can create what I
[17:51] Speaker 2: call shadow beings. It's an expression of your own shadow
[17:54] Speaker 2: energy can create thought forms all of these other kind
[17:57] Speaker 2: of entities or little wells of energy that just sit
[18:00] Speaker 2: there that are attuned to those specific thoughts, beliefs, emotions,
[18:04] Speaker 2: those kind of things, and they reinforce that within ourselves
[18:08] Speaker 2: and then it could be physically damaging or physically improving.
[18:12] Speaker 2: So you're absolutely right. There is cause to understand that
[18:17] Speaker 2: there is a dynamic relationship between the physical and the spiritual,
[18:20] Speaker 2: because there is.
[18:22] Speaker 1: When we look at the times when humanity leans more
[18:26] Speaker 1: into the material and rejects spiritual principles. Do you think
[18:32] Speaker 1: this is rooted in human desire for the material or
[18:38] Speaker 1: some kind of spiritual parasite that feeds on our negativity.
[18:46] Speaker 1: And when we sink more into the material realm, we
[18:51] Speaker 1: tend to be more negative, We tend to have toxic behaviors.
[18:57] Speaker 1: And I'm wondering is this just because we are so
[19:02] Speaker 1: reliant on the material we want to have that pleasure
[19:05] Speaker 1: so much we're just choosing it, or is there some
[19:09] Speaker 1: kind of influence behind it of a spiritual nature.
[19:13] Speaker 2: My answer is actually both. Okay, So let's ex take
[19:17] Speaker 2: the Industrial Revolution for example. You know, people working ten
[19:21] Speaker 2: twelve hour more days in these factories under what we
[19:25] Speaker 2: would consider inhumane conditions today, and it was just very
[19:29] Speaker 2: spartan conditions, very spartan leadership styles. Just work, work, work,
[19:34] Speaker 2: that's all you're supposed to do. Children were brought in
[19:37] Speaker 2: basically child labor to crawl through the machines and fix things,
[19:41] Speaker 2: and that was driven by those industry leaders that really
[19:45] Speaker 2: wanted to maximize the profitability out of their workers. You know,
[19:51] Speaker 2: they just wanted to see how much they could make
[19:54] Speaker 2: in getting these people to work, work, work, work, work. Now,
[19:57] Speaker 2: that sets up two potential layers of spiritual interaction. The
[20:03] Speaker 2: misery and the suffering that the workers have to go through,
[20:05] Speaker 2: their belief that life is terrible. I'm supposed to be suffering,
[20:08] Speaker 2: this is horrible. That will create that energetic environment that
[20:12] Speaker 2: continues to support those feelings, and that could create thought
[20:15] Speaker 2: forms and definitely will create eggregors, which is like a
[20:19] Speaker 2: collectively created entity that is fed off of our beliefs.
[20:22] Speaker 2: And so the workers collective beliefs that things are supposed
[20:27] Speaker 2: to be miserable and suffering. It exists out there, and
[20:29] Speaker 2: the more they acknowledge how much their life sucks and
[20:32] Speaker 2: how it's terrible, the more they're feeding this thing. And
[20:35] Speaker 2: if they find those glimmers of hope, that they find
[20:38] Speaker 2: that glimmer that path out of there, this eggregor, these
[20:41] Speaker 2: fourth density entities will come back and say, now life
[20:44] Speaker 2: just sucks. You're supposed to just work, and they'll end up,
[20:48] Speaker 2: unfortunately self sabotaging themselves, and then they're back in the
[20:51] Speaker 2: predicament that they're in. The other side is from the
[20:54] Speaker 2: industry leaders, those who are motivated by the profit at
[20:58] Speaker 2: the expense of anybody. They will push, push, push, and
[21:01] Speaker 2: they will in their corporations, in their organizations create a
[21:05] Speaker 2: like a toulpa that oversees the operations of that and
[21:10] Speaker 2: it will do anything it can to increase the profitability
[21:14] Speaker 2: of that company, because it's life force is driven by
[21:18] Speaker 2: that profitability and the expansion and the growth of that company,
[21:20] Speaker 2: and it doesn't care about the working conditions of the people,
[21:24] Speaker 2: and so you've got this grow eggregor of the workers,
[21:28] Speaker 2: you've got the toolpa of the industry that are kind
[21:32] Speaker 2: of sort of conspiring against each other. But here's where
[21:36] Speaker 2: we have to be very careful. Those things are not
[21:40] Speaker 2: necessarily independent, sovereign, interdimensional beings that have come here bent
[21:46] Speaker 2: on the intention of making suffering happen. They are human
[21:51] Speaker 2: created entities created by the suffering and the exploitation, and
[21:56] Speaker 2: they sustain their existence by promoting the continuation of suffering
[22:00] Speaker 2: and exploitation. And then when something comes in to interrupt
[22:04] Speaker 2: that process, you know, like workers' rights, the eight hour workday,
[22:08] Speaker 2: five days a week, unionizing, of course, those things are
[22:11] Speaker 2: going to get upset because it diminishes the amount of
[22:14] Speaker 2: suffering that they're going to feed off of. But when
[22:16] Speaker 2: we can empower ourselves to overcome those conditions, and we
[22:20] Speaker 2: work at the physical level to overcome those conditions and
[22:25] Speaker 2: improve our conditions in life, we start starving off these entities,
[22:29] Speaker 2: and then they lose interest in us. And so it
[22:32] Speaker 2: is a dynamic process on these levels.
[22:37] Speaker 1: As a society, many of us, especially the ones in
[22:41] Speaker 1: the conspiratorial realms, those that are waking up to everything.
[22:46] Speaker 1: Many people do like to blame the ruling class for
[22:48] Speaker 1: the collective problems that we have, and they actually have
[22:52] Speaker 1: a huge part in this because it's a combination of
[22:57] Speaker 1: that psychopathy at higher levels and these aggrigors that perpetuate
[23:03] Speaker 1: the continuation of this behavior. It seems to be a
[23:08] Speaker 1: NonStop cycle of this intelligence interacting with human greed and
[23:15] Speaker 1: toxicity that keeps people in the same place essentially.
[23:21] Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that was the key word psychopathy. There's this
[23:25] Speaker 2: old saying that's been going around that power corrupts and
[23:28] Speaker 2: absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. I disagree. I think the corrupt
[23:33] Speaker 2: seek power and the absolutely corrupt seek absolute power. And
[23:38] Speaker 2: when we realize that psychopathy is really some sort of
[23:41] Speaker 2: a neurological imbalance, that it is a mental illness where
[23:45] Speaker 2: they do not have empathy for anybody else. They just
[23:48] Speaker 2: want what they want, you know, very narcissistic behavior, Bachabelian
[23:52] Speaker 2: kind of thing. They will go out and do whatever
[23:54] Speaker 2: it needs to be done to get what they want,
[23:57] Speaker 2: and they don't care what people are encountering. And that
[24:02] Speaker 2: creates that fourth density dynamic that back and forth. And unfortunately,
[24:07] Speaker 2: these people are very charismatic, but they're very power hungry.
[24:10] Speaker 2: They don't care who they step on to get where
[24:12] Speaker 2: they are, so they get where they are, while the
[24:15] Speaker 2: rest of humanity is kind of like live and let live,
[24:18] Speaker 2: just be and let other people be. And then they
[24:20] Speaker 2: find themselves sort of under the thumb of that psychopath
[24:24] Speaker 2: power that is creating all of this for them, so
[24:27] Speaker 2: it's difficult to get out. But today that's one of
[24:31] Speaker 2: the big advantages today is with the Internet, with all
[24:35] Speaker 2: of the information being made available everywhere. And I know
[24:38] Speaker 2: people are screaming, you know, don't end privacy, and I
[24:41] Speaker 2: can understand that, but that removal of privacy in a
[24:45] Speaker 2: way has opened up the travesties that have been happening,
[24:49] Speaker 2: has opened up just the extent of that psychopathic outreach,
[24:53] Speaker 2: and people are learning how to push back against it,
[24:55] Speaker 2: how to empower themselves. So those old Arkans, those old
[24:59] Speaker 2: too and eggrigors of those old ages, they're literally dying off,
[25:04] Speaker 2: but they're they're struggling to Sometimes they'll push back harder,
[25:08] Speaker 2: they'll get their agents going at the higher levels of
[25:10] Speaker 2: industry and such to try to restir their influence over
[25:15] Speaker 2: the populace. But I have to say the mass populace
[25:19] Speaker 2: is actually winning in this case.
[25:21] Speaker 1: I know we talked about this a bit last time
[25:24] Speaker 1: you were on, but would you say that most of
[25:27] Speaker 1: the negative entities, influences, even demons that most people refer to,
[25:33] Speaker 1: are man created aggrigors.
[25:37] Speaker 2: Yes, I will. I will say a vast The only
[25:41] Speaker 2: ones I've encountered have in human created, and it's by
[25:44] Speaker 2: altering our own inner beliefs, in our own inner world
[25:46] Speaker 2: is what fends them off and keeps them away. And
[25:49] Speaker 2: I am open to the possibility of potentially naturally existing ones.
[25:55] Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back to that in a second, because
[25:57] Speaker 2: sometimes I have seen people having paranormal problems, paranormal challenges,
[26:01] Speaker 2: and real difficulties from land spirits. They're just nature based spirits.
[26:06] Speaker 2: They live in the rocks, the trees, the landscapes, and
[26:10] Speaker 2: they have the full range of emotions and understanding that
[26:12] Speaker 2: humans do. And if we were to go in and
[26:14] Speaker 2: mess with their home and their environment, they will seek retribution.
[26:18] Speaker 2: And so some of the clients I've had over the
[26:20] Speaker 2: years that have had paranormal problems have been because they've
[26:23] Speaker 2: disturbed the land spirits. But that's easy to rectify. You
[26:27] Speaker 2: just kind of do a mia culpa. You fix things,
[26:30] Speaker 2: put things back into order, and then I teach them
[26:32] Speaker 2: how to peacefully coexist with their land spirit neighbors. The
[26:36] Speaker 2: problems stop. But the idea of something naturally existing, here's
[26:42] Speaker 2: why I'm doubtful. We've heard many different traditions have sort
[26:47] Speaker 2: of a love reciprocity. You know, the Wickens have the
[26:51] Speaker 2: threefold law. Whatever you do comes back to your threefold.
[26:54] Speaker 2: The Hindu in the Vetteric traditions have the karmic laws.
[26:57] Speaker 2: So we've heard about the things that you put out
[26:59] Speaker 2: there will eventually come back to you. And it seems
[27:03] Speaker 2: that the universe in itself that we exist in is
[27:07] Speaker 2: built to create, expand and sustain, latch create, sustain and
[27:11] Speaker 2: expand you know, everything from stars and solar systems to
[27:15] Speaker 2: life on this planet. Life on this planet is all
[27:17] Speaker 2: about creating more life, sustaining that life, expanding that life.
[27:21] Speaker 2: That seems to be the baseline state of being for
[27:26] Speaker 2: our reality, and anything that is counter to that is
[27:32] Speaker 2: like a distortion. And that's where we will see that
[27:36] Speaker 2: law of reciprocity come back to us. If we're in
[27:38] Speaker 2: alignment with that creation, sustaining, expanding, then we keep getting
[27:44] Speaker 2: more of that. But if we're in distortion to that.
[27:46] Speaker 2: We want to destroy, we want to make people suffer,
[27:49] Speaker 2: we want to bring the you know, the end of things.
[27:52] Speaker 2: That comes back to us too. So now, as a
[27:56] Speaker 2: thought experiment, imagine an absolute being evil came into existence
[28:01] Speaker 2: that was just nothing, bent on destruction, killing, just the
[28:07] Speaker 2: end of all things. That law of reciprocity would come
[28:10] Speaker 2: back onto it and eliminate its existence the moment it
[28:13] Speaker 2: came into being. So to me and my understanding, in
[28:17] Speaker 2: that way, it's not possible for there to be anything evil.
[28:21] Speaker 2: There's not possible for there to be a devil or
[28:24] Speaker 2: a satan or anything like that, because it just couldn't
[28:28] Speaker 2: exist in the way the universe is built.
[28:31] Speaker 1: Do you think extraterrestrials may be aggrigors or is this
[28:35] Speaker 1: something completely different, a different type of life form.
[28:41] Speaker 2: That's a really good question, and I'm waiting for the
[28:45] Speaker 2: day that a craft lands in front of me and
[28:47] Speaker 2: I get a definitive answer. But I've had interactions, I've
[28:52] Speaker 2: had connections, I've seen UFOs in the sky. I know
[28:56] Speaker 2: there's something to it. It is possible some of these
[29:00] Speaker 2: are of eggrador quality. It's also possible some of them
[29:04] Speaker 2: are interdimensional future travelers, people from another star. I don't know.
[29:13] Speaker 2: I'm keeping my box open. Pope Bob wants it's something
[29:17] Speaker 2: really profound in the way of belief. He said something.
[29:20] Speaker 2: You know, Pope Bob is Robert Anton Wilson, and he
[29:25] Speaker 2: said something. And somebody asked him, do you believe in
[29:27] Speaker 2: book Foot Bigfoot? Do you believe Bigfoot exists? And he's like,
[29:31] Speaker 2: why does it have to be a hard yes or
[29:33] Speaker 2: a hard no. Can't I have like a spectrum of
[29:36] Speaker 2: belief that I could believe it's possible, but I'm not sure.
[29:40] Speaker 2: So maybe I'm seventy to eighty percent. And that's kind
[29:43] Speaker 2: of the way I look at the extraterrestrial thing. I
[29:46] Speaker 2: know there's something there, but my understanding if they're physical
[29:51] Speaker 2: from another physical world, interdimensional whatnot, I don't know. So
[29:57] Speaker 2: I'm not full one hundred percent. Yes they are are
[30:00] Speaker 2: extraterrestrial physical beings. They could be, But what if it's
[30:04] Speaker 2: a mix of the two. My answer is ultimately with
[30:06] Speaker 2: the long way of saying, not sure yet.
[30:09] Speaker 1: With everything that we experience in this realm, whether it's politics, economics,
[30:15] Speaker 1: our spiritual beliefs, there seems to be a pendulum swing
[30:19] Speaker 1: that catches up with us every few years, and at
[30:24] Speaker 1: times it seems to swing a bit too far in
[30:27] Speaker 1: either direction and can cause some problems in society. We
[30:31] Speaker 1: may have swung a bit far in the material direction,
[30:36] Speaker 1: but there does seem to be a correction that it's
[30:39] Speaker 1: on its way. Do you think that we are in
[30:43] Speaker 1: the midst of another upswing to the spiritual side, We
[30:48] Speaker 1: indeed are.
[30:50] Speaker 2: I'll give a couple of examples of how this works,
[30:54] Speaker 2: working with clients over the years and even my own self.
[30:57] Speaker 2: People who are spiritually connected and still physical beings, they
[31:02] Speaker 2: will have a period of time where they're really connected,
[31:04] Speaker 2: They're getting clear messages coming through. It's very apparent to
[31:08] Speaker 2: them that they've got the spiritual connection, and then all
[31:10] Speaker 2: of a sudden, they seem to lose that connection. They
[31:13] Speaker 2: just don't have that. And when I work with them,
[31:16] Speaker 2: I start to understand there's something in the physical world
[31:19] Speaker 2: that's risen up and more challenging. You know, it could
[31:21] Speaker 2: be physical health, financial responsibilities, something going on with a
[31:24] Speaker 2: family or job. And what happens is when the physical
[31:30] Speaker 2: world needs more of our at tension and resources, it
[31:32] Speaker 2: feels like we're cut off from the spiritual but we're
[31:34] Speaker 2: not it's just our attention and our focus is more
[31:37] Speaker 2: on the physical world. And then once we get the
[31:39] Speaker 2: physical world stuff established and calm back down, we can
[31:43] Speaker 2: start giving more of our attention back to the spiritual.
[31:46] Speaker 2: Then we start feeling more connected and more in that way,
[31:50] Speaker 2: and that can happen at the collective level. Like we
[31:53] Speaker 2: hit the Industrial Revolution hard, you know, nineteen eighties, seventies,
[31:57] Speaker 2: you know, people were pushing that hard, and we see
[32:00] Speaker 2: those little swings in there. But as we're moving into
[32:04] Speaker 2: the era that we are today, there is still people
[32:07] Speaker 2: who will pathologize or demonize paranormal interactions, but there's a
[32:12] Speaker 2: vast majority of people that are leaving that orthodoxy behind.
[32:16] Speaker 2: And I think that's also creating some of the panic
[32:18] Speaker 2: because if you look at the statistics, the people who
[32:20] Speaker 2: are declaring themselves whether religious affiliation is none is vastly growing,
[32:27] Speaker 2: and all of the spiritual groups are declining. So that's
[32:31] Speaker 2: sending some of that Oh God, we got to fix this,
[32:33] Speaker 2: We got to get people back in the church. But
[32:35] Speaker 2: I also think that those people waking up people becoming
[32:38] Speaker 2: more aware, and that is part of the evolution of society.
[32:43] Speaker 2: When we look at history, any sort of historical time period,
[32:46] Speaker 2: like even the founding fathers of the US, and we
[32:50] Speaker 2: look upon them favorably in history because the declaration of independence,
[32:54] Speaker 2: winning the revolutionary or great we can look upon their
[32:58] Speaker 2: favorable actions that they did. But if we were to
[33:01] Speaker 2: look at their lifestyle and the people that they were,
[33:04] Speaker 2: the things that they did, by our standards that we
[33:06] Speaker 2: hold today, we would think that these were vile and
[33:09] Speaker 2: reprehensible human beings, like how dare they do what they do?
[33:14] Speaker 2: But in their time period that was considered completely normal behavior,
[33:18] Speaker 2: that was expected socially enforced behavior. But to us it's vile.
[33:23] Speaker 2: And so that is part of the evolution of our cultures.
[33:25] Speaker 2: We're moving away from the things that are distortions of
[33:31] Speaker 2: the universal baseline, and I think we're starting to tune
[33:34] Speaker 2: into it more and more. And it's happening at the
[33:36] Speaker 2: collective level because more and more people are awakening, inserting
[33:40] Speaker 2: that information to the collective, which enables it easier for
[33:43] Speaker 2: other people to have that experience as well.
[33:46] Speaker 1: Where do you think our current technology falls into everything?
[33:51] Speaker 1: Is technology a reflection of anti spirituality? Are if we
[33:57] Speaker 1: embrace technology to too high of a degree, does it
[34:02] Speaker 1: cut us off more from spirituality. What are your thoughts
[34:05] Speaker 1: on that.
[34:06] Speaker 2: It's a fair question because it comes up quite a bit,
[34:10] Speaker 2: and I really think they're independents. Our technology is going
[34:14] Speaker 2: to continue to progress, and when people start saying that
[34:19] Speaker 2: it's moving too fast, well they're right. You know, the
[34:23] Speaker 2: speed of innovation and invention is rapidly increasing. It's almost
[34:28] Speaker 2: asked some total growth, which is why Ray Kurzweil talks
[34:32] Speaker 2: about that singularity coming up when technology hits a point
[34:35] Speaker 2: that we cannot further project what that technology looks like
[34:38] Speaker 2: beyond that point, and so some people are very uncomfortable.
[34:43] Speaker 2: They can't adapt. You know, when we're back in the
[34:45] Speaker 2: eighties and people suddenly got cassette tapes, they were just
[34:48] Speaker 2: like what is this? And all of a sudden CDs
[34:50] Speaker 2: came out and we're blowing people's minds. They're like, no,
[34:52] Speaker 2: records are better. But look at like AI today, electro
[34:57] Speaker 2: voltaic cars, all of these things that are just advancing
[35:00] Speaker 2: so rapidly. It makes people uncomfortable because they can't adapt
[35:04] Speaker 2: as quickly as not as quickly. They just can't adapt.
[35:07] Speaker 2: So in a very real sense, technology is sort of
[35:10] Speaker 2: outpacing the brain and what the brain can do and
[35:15] Speaker 2: so there will be some repercussions from that, but at
[35:19] Speaker 2: the same time, our spiritual growth is advancing again as well,
[35:23] Speaker 2: and we're continuing to do that work. I don't know
[35:27] Speaker 2: if they ever will mesh. I don't know if they are.
[35:31] Speaker 2: I mean, we are sort of the intersection point of
[35:34] Speaker 2: that human beings are, but I don't know if they
[35:37] Speaker 2: ever will intermingle intermesh like you make us a computer
[35:41] Speaker 2: with a soul. That could be very interesting. But people
[35:45] Speaker 2: are suggesting that AI may have those little hints of
[35:49] Speaker 2: consciousness and part of the baseline of the universes everything
[35:54] Speaker 2: is consciousness. I agree with animism and panpsychism. They're like
[35:58] Speaker 2: different versions of the same thing. Psychism is the quantum
[36:02] Speaker 2: science version and animism is the spiritual version that says
[36:06] Speaker 2: everything is consciousness. Everything has some sort of conscious level
[36:10] Speaker 2: to it. And so when we look to computers in
[36:14] Speaker 2: AI and we realize they have that consciousness spark, and
[36:17] Speaker 2: as they get more complex and they're thinking and reasoning,
[36:19] Speaker 2: which they're not there. They're not thinking and reasoning yet,
[36:22] Speaker 2: they're just putting pieces together. Think of it like an
[36:24] Speaker 2: advanced word processor. But when they get to that point,
[36:28] Speaker 2: does does that consciousness kick on. That's a good question.
[36:32] Speaker 2: I'm going to keep my eyeballs peeled for that one. Yeah.
[36:34] Speaker 2: But the fact is we got to keep doing our
[36:37] Speaker 2: spiritual growth no matter what, because that is what's going
[36:40] Speaker 2: to affect humanity, no matter what the technological state is.
[36:45] Speaker 1: What do you think that looks like as time goes
[36:48] Speaker 1: on spiritual growth in humans? What do you think humans
[36:54] Speaker 1: will have the ability to do if they start to
[36:59] Speaker 1: embrace the spiritual nature of reality?
[37:04] Speaker 2: It comes with a greater degree of discernment, It comes
[37:07] Speaker 2: with a greater degree of awareness of something in existence
[37:11] Speaker 2: far beyond our imaginary potential and our imagination potential. Imagine this,
[37:18] Speaker 2: and this is the world that I see that there
[37:20] Speaker 2: is the physical world that is tangible, physical, solid, but
[37:24] Speaker 2: intertwined with that, completely inexplicably intertwined with that, is an
[37:29] Speaker 2: energetic realm, the unseen realm. It's the realm of spirits,
[37:34] Speaker 2: the fourth density entities. It is vast. I would say,
[37:39] Speaker 2: it's even more vast than the physical realms. And to
[37:43] Speaker 2: be able to connect with that on a moment to moment,
[37:46] Speaker 2: day to day basis, to be aware of what the
[37:48] Speaker 2: energy shifts as you move from room to room to
[37:51] Speaker 2: feel the energy shift when a person comes into the
[37:53] Speaker 2: room and how you're interacting with them, and then also
[37:56] Speaker 2: being aware when spirits do the same thing. You know
[37:59] Speaker 2: how it feels when like a person walks in the
[38:00] Speaker 2: room and looks at you, you can feel it. Well, it's
[38:03] Speaker 2: the same thing with spirits. It feels the exact same
[38:05] Speaker 2: way spirit walks into the room stairs at you, but
[38:08] Speaker 2: we just tune it up. Most people tune that out,
[38:10] Speaker 2: turn it off because there's no logical reason that they
[38:13] Speaker 2: feel somebody should be standing there looking at them. So
[38:15] Speaker 2: they're like, oh, it's just my mind playing tricks on me. Well,
[38:18] Speaker 2: no it's not. You're just aware of something that you're denying.
[38:21] Speaker 2: And so that future looks like people having that open
[38:25] Speaker 2: awareness of the interlacing of the physical and the energetic,
[38:29] Speaker 2: and that they're communicating back and forth, that you won't
[38:31] Speaker 2: need paranormal investigators anymore because you don't have to prove
[38:36] Speaker 2: that the paranormal exists. It's just now an integral part
[38:39] Speaker 2: of everyday world. It's just people developing better and more
[38:44] Speaker 2: expanded techniques for interacting and connecting with that. It does
[38:48] Speaker 2: involve more out of body experiences, getting to remote viewing
[38:51] Speaker 2: might become like an everyday thing for the average person,
[38:55] Speaker 2: because it is for some people, and it does mean
[38:58] Speaker 2: that they'll be getting information and downloads from people that
[39:01] Speaker 2: have been there, done that. So, for example, let's say
[39:04] Speaker 2: you have an inventor that's been working on a project
[39:06] Speaker 2: his whole life, and he's made some great strides on that,
[39:10] Speaker 2: and he's taught people what he's invented and how the
[39:12] Speaker 2: invention works, and all of the mechanics and the theory
[39:15] Speaker 2: and the math and the science to that, and then
[39:17] Speaker 2: he dies normal thing, and his apprentices continue his work,
[39:23] Speaker 2: but maybe they need that moment of inspiration, maybe need
[39:26] Speaker 2: some guidance like how did this part work? What is
[39:28] Speaker 2: this all about? And instead of kind of throwing their
[39:30] Speaker 2: hands up, going well it's gone, we're lost, they reach
[39:33] Speaker 2: out to him. Not necessarily a seance, but they just
[39:36] Speaker 2: reach out to him and say, hey, can you give
[39:38] Speaker 2: me some input to that? And they get the input
[39:41] Speaker 2: and so his work continues to live on. And I
[39:45] Speaker 2: think one of the most important things about this, and
[39:47] Speaker 2: this is I think the most heartwarming is and today
[39:52] Speaker 2: when people die, most people assume that's it. You're over.
[39:55] Speaker 2: Maybe you're in heaven, but you can't get back to Earth,
[39:58] Speaker 2: or maybe you just don't exist at all. That's the end,
[40:01] Speaker 2: by by gone cut off. But think about all those
[40:05] Speaker 2: times when you've thought, what would I do for just
[40:07] Speaker 2: one more chance to say I love you, one more
[40:09] Speaker 2: chance to connect, one more chance to feel you there
[40:13] Speaker 2: in that future state that's gone. It's like, Okay, it
[40:17] Speaker 2: sucks you're not in the physical world. It sucks you're gone.
[40:19] Speaker 2: I'm sad about that, But hey, let's get together next
[40:22] Speaker 2: Saturday and have a chat. Anyway, you know, that door
[40:26] Speaker 2: will be open and people have that continued relationship even
[40:31] Speaker 2: after the death of the body, and that will be commonplace.
[40:35] Speaker 2: It won't be demonized or pathologized. It'll be just like, yeah, hey,
[40:38] Speaker 2: I was talking to my grandma yesterday, just talked to
[40:40] Speaker 2: you too, you know, it'll be just a common, ordinary thing.
[40:44] Speaker 1: As far as spirit connections within the afterlife, is that
[40:50] Speaker 1: something that can always be accessed by us, is the
[40:54] Speaker 1: spiritual afterlife surrounding us at all times, just beyond our perception.
[41:00] Speaker 1: Are whenever we cross over, is there a period after
[41:05] Speaker 1: death where we're gone, We're not even in the astral realm,
[41:08] Speaker 1: We're somewhere else.
[41:10] Speaker 2: That's a fair question. Let's kind of peet a picture
[41:14] Speaker 2: of that. When somebody transitions into the afterlife, what they
[41:19] Speaker 2: need to learn how to do is to move and
[41:23] Speaker 2: speak into function in a world where there's no time
[41:27] Speaker 2: and the physics doesn't work the same way as as
[41:29] Speaker 2: our physical world. Think about like a baby born into
[41:32] Speaker 2: this world, how they have to learn to use their body.
[41:35] Speaker 2: They have to learn to speak and walk and interact
[41:38] Speaker 2: with things. Well, for some people it's the same in
[41:40] Speaker 2: the afterlife. They have to kind of remember what it's
[41:43] Speaker 2: like to talk, what it's like to move where there's
[41:45] Speaker 2: no time, and they have to learn how to exist
[41:49] Speaker 2: in that realm. And so there is some of that
[41:51] Speaker 2: immediate period where you can't reach them because they're transitioning
[41:54] Speaker 2: and they're learning and they're readjusting. For some people, that
[41:58] Speaker 2: moment of death was difficult. Cults, there may be some
[42:01] Speaker 2: things that are kind of locking them in where they
[42:03] Speaker 2: just they need some extra help, and so they may
[42:07] Speaker 2: be inaccessible at that point. Conversely, somebody who has explored
[42:12] Speaker 2: their spirituality, has had out of body experience, explored the afterlife,
[42:17] Speaker 2: they got really familiar with it, what it's like to
[42:19] Speaker 2: interact with the spiritual realms. When their body dies and
[42:22] Speaker 2: they go to the other side, there's still a bit
[42:24] Speaker 2: of a transition and adjustment period, but it's much shorter,
[42:27] Speaker 2: it's much quicker. But after they've made all of this adjustments,
[42:31] Speaker 2: after they've gone through that healing, after they've gone through
[42:33] Speaker 2: that work, there is absolutely nothing limiting them from coming
[42:37] Speaker 2: back and interacting with us. Absolutely nothing, And in fact,
[42:41] Speaker 2: most of them do it most of the time. I've
[42:43] Speaker 2: encountered one or two people that said they want nothing
[42:46] Speaker 2: to do with their family after after they moved to
[42:48] Speaker 2: the other side, But most of them they can transition,
[42:52] Speaker 2: come back and hang out whenever they want.
[42:56] Speaker 1: Would you say that astral travel, out of body experiences,
[43:00] Speaker 1: these kinds of things would help you prepare for the.
[43:02] Speaker 2: Afterlife, because as we're locked in the physical world and
[43:09] Speaker 2: we're used to just the tangible physical thing. And how
[43:13] Speaker 2: movement is through time. You know distance equal speed times time,
[43:17] Speaker 2: that equation, Well, if you take time out of that equation,
[43:21] Speaker 2: everything shrinks to nothing. There's no movement, but you still
[43:24] Speaker 2: have to learn how to move. You can still change locations,
[43:27] Speaker 2: you can still change time frames. And when you get
[43:31] Speaker 2: out of your body now and you have these out
[43:33] Speaker 2: of body experiences. You're exploring your house, you're exploring other places.
[43:37] Speaker 2: You're learning how to make that movement, and you're learning
[43:40] Speaker 2: how to move through time. That's another interesting piece. You know,
[43:42] Speaker 2: you're moving how to move back and forth through time
[43:45] Speaker 2: and location because you're playing, and it is play. It's play,
[43:49] Speaker 2: it's exploration. You should be having fun with it. And
[43:52] Speaker 2: I will dispel any of those fear that's out there
[43:55] Speaker 2: that if you're having an out of body experience, that
[43:57] Speaker 2: somebody can steal your soul, or that the silver cord
[44:00] Speaker 2: can break and you get lost. None of that's true.
[44:02] Speaker 2: Because you are physical and spiritual. They have a constant,
[44:05] Speaker 2: dynamic experience. You can't lose that connection as long as
[44:08] Speaker 2: the body is alive. So get out explore. You know,
[44:12] Speaker 2: even if it feels like you're laying in bed and
[44:14] Speaker 2: you want to imagine like you're walking around your room
[44:17] Speaker 2: and then you walk out of your room into the hallway,
[44:19] Speaker 2: that sort of thing. Play with it. Get used to
[44:21] Speaker 2: that feeling of being bilocated. You can feel yourself laying
[44:24] Speaker 2: in bed and you can feel yourself walking around the
[44:27] Speaker 2: living room at the same time. It's a little disconcerting
[44:30] Speaker 2: at first, very disorienting at first, but you get used
[44:32] Speaker 2: to it, and the more you start doing that, you'll
[44:35] Speaker 2: connect with those spiritual allies as guides that will say, hey,
[44:38] Speaker 2: you want to see what the afterlife looks like. Hey,
[44:40] Speaker 2: you want to see what this common area looks like.
[44:43] Speaker 2: Hey you want to go explore and look what that
[44:44] Speaker 2: looks like. And they will show you these places. Again,
[44:48] Speaker 2: you can't get lost. You just go and you learn
[44:50] Speaker 2: and they show you those things and you come back.
[44:53] Speaker 2: And the more you do that, that makes it so
[44:55] Speaker 2: much easier when your body is not here anymore. You
[44:57] Speaker 2: just you already know what you're doing. You get to
[44:59] Speaker 2: the and you're like, oh, yeah, I'm familiar with this.
[45:02] Speaker 2: I got this.
[45:04] Speaker 1: Would you say there's any danger or concern that anyone
[45:08] Speaker 1: should have while they're having an out of body experience,
[45:12] Speaker 1: having trouble getting back, or entities out there that may
[45:15] Speaker 1: not have your best interest in mind, anything like that.
[45:19] Speaker 2: None of that changes with an out of body experience.
[45:22] Speaker 2: It's the same when you're in the body or out
[45:24] Speaker 2: of the body. You can't get lost, you can't get
[45:26] Speaker 2: cut off. But spirits are spirits, people are people, you know.
[45:30] Speaker 2: Sometimes the paranormal problems are caused by a person who
[45:34] Speaker 2: is a jerk in life or regular a word a whole.
[45:38] Speaker 2: I don't know what word that we can use. These
[45:39] Speaker 2: words in life and as a spirit they come back
[45:43] Speaker 2: and not come back in a spirit. They are roaming
[45:46] Speaker 2: the earth. There's still an asshole. So if you get
[45:49] Speaker 2: out of body experience and you encounter that jerk, they're
[45:52] Speaker 2: going to be a jerk to you that the people
[45:54] Speaker 2: are people, but you learn how to avoid them. You
[45:57] Speaker 2: learn how to shift your energies and your consciousness that
[46:00] Speaker 2: you avoid them. You connect with guides that can help
[46:02] Speaker 2: you go to places that are interesting and fun. I
[46:06] Speaker 2: have seen some of these realms, and there are realms
[46:08] Speaker 2: out there that some people would consider hell. I have
[46:11] Speaker 2: seen what people basically consider hell, and it's not a
[46:14] Speaker 2: place of eternal torment. It's just people who are lost
[46:18] Speaker 2: in their minds thinking they need to be suffering, but
[46:20] Speaker 2: they're not there permanently. Somebody is there to help them
[46:23] Speaker 2: when they're ready to move out of that state. But
[46:26] Speaker 2: I've seen a realm. I helped the lady clear a
[46:29] Speaker 2: spirit that was in our house that refused to leave.
[46:32] Speaker 2: He was like an old biker guy, very rowdy, very
[46:36] Speaker 2: violent and aggressive. The neighbors hated him and he didn't
[46:39] Speaker 2: want to go. But I found a place for him
[46:41] Speaker 2: to go that was full of rowdy, raucous people, loud
[46:46] Speaker 2: and music, loud noises, fighting. And this lady, when I'd
[46:50] Speaker 2: explained this realm, She's like, Wow, that sounds like hell.
[46:52] Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're right. For you, that would be hell.
[46:55] Speaker 2: But what if for him that's what heaven looks like
[46:58] Speaker 2: and he can't wait to go. So there are these
[47:01] Speaker 2: realms that you can encounter that may seem off putting,
[47:03] Speaker 2: that may seem evil, awful, terrible, but the people living
[47:07] Speaker 2: there may just just love it and that's what they want.
[47:10] Speaker 1: What would you say the purpose of this human experiences?
[47:14] Speaker 1: Many in the spiritual community would say it's a place
[47:17] Speaker 1: for us to learn and grow how to be better
[47:22] Speaker 1: cosmic entities, how to be the best that we can.
[47:26] Speaker 1: But from what you just said, this may be also
[47:31] Speaker 1: just a place to have experiences that in the afterlife,
[47:35] Speaker 1: if you want to continue a debaucherous existence, that may
[47:40] Speaker 1: be available to you. Would you say that's accurate?
[47:43] Speaker 2: That is accurate.
[47:44] Speaker 1: Interesting.
[47:45] Speaker 2: I remember when I was going to that spiritualist church
[47:48] Speaker 2: and what are the spirits came through the channeler and said,
[47:51] Speaker 2: on the other side, you can do whatever you want
[47:53] Speaker 2: for however long you want to do. If you want
[47:55] Speaker 2: to sit under a tree all day long, you can
[47:57] Speaker 2: sit under that tree all day long. You're going to
[48:00] Speaker 2: get calloused in the same place you would and I
[48:02] Speaker 2: were still in your physical body. And what they were
[48:05] Speaker 2: meaning by that is, yes, you could have this debaucherous afterlife.
[48:08] Speaker 2: But after a while it gets a little old, You
[48:11] Speaker 2: have a little stale, and so you get curious and
[48:13] Speaker 2: you want to explore something else. And then your teachers,
[48:15] Speaker 2: your guides, we they're like, yeah, what would you like
[48:17] Speaker 2: to do? And they're like, what would it be cool
[48:19] Speaker 2: if I was this or that? And they're like, yeah,
[48:21] Speaker 2: how about we put together a life where you experienced
[48:24] Speaker 2: that kind of thing, and then you will have this understanding.
[48:28] Speaker 2: And I think that's the key piece, is the meaning
[48:31] Speaker 2: of life is doing whatever you're doing, no matter what
[48:34] Speaker 2: it is that you're doing, because you were picking up
[48:37] Speaker 2: the information of what it's like, what that experience is like,
[48:40] Speaker 2: what you learn from it, what it's like to be
[48:42] Speaker 2: in that experience. But that information doesn't stay with you.
[48:46] Speaker 2: We're all part of this is collective of humanity, the
[48:49] Speaker 2: unconscious collective. And then in the spirit world it's the
[48:53] Speaker 2: same kind of way. There is like this collective understanding
[48:57] Speaker 2: and so and not. At the spiritual level we talked
[49:00] Speaker 2: about the third density. Then there's that fourth density playground.
[49:03] Speaker 2: Then there's like the fifth densities, spiritual realms. Our higher
[49:07] Speaker 2: self might be in the sixth or seventh density, even
[49:10] Speaker 2: a higher place where there's more of like a communal awareness,
[49:14] Speaker 2: a communal wisdom, and so that information is being brought
[49:17] Speaker 2: up into that level at that communal level, and that's
[49:21] Speaker 2: where they get these hair brained ideas of like, hey,
[49:23] Speaker 2: what would it be like to have one lifetime as
[49:26] Speaker 2: a janitor that hated everything in their life, and then
[49:28] Speaker 2: another lifetime as a rock star that was just decadent
[49:33] Speaker 2: and overwhelming. And then they come back and they share
[49:36] Speaker 2: that and we do see this reflected in sort of
[49:40] Speaker 2: the Buddhist teaching. There's I got to remember his name,
[49:45] Speaker 2: but there's a school here in Boulder, Colorado, versus Naropa
[49:52] Speaker 2: that was founded by one of the Rimpoches, and he
[49:55] Speaker 2: was a high level lama in the Buddhist tradition. However,
[50:00] Speaker 2: he did from what I understand, you know, smoking, drinking,
[50:03] Speaker 2: having different women. He had a very hedonistic life. And
[50:07] Speaker 2: people know, we are taught that spirituality and aesthetism is
[50:12] Speaker 2: one of the saying you have to reject the material world,
[50:15] Speaker 2: you have to reject carnal desires to be spiritual. So
[50:18] Speaker 2: people are starting to question his spiritual nature. How could
[50:21] Speaker 2: it be so hedonistic but be considered this higher level
[50:25] Speaker 2: spiritual person. So they went to the Dalai Lama and said, hey,
[50:28] Speaker 2: we got this problem with this rimpoch and his decad
[50:32] Speaker 2: a hedonistic lifestyle. And he's like, what's the problem, that's
[50:36] Speaker 2: just his dharma this lifetime, and he wanted to explain
[50:40] Speaker 2: that as a lama progresses lifetime after lifetime, they will
[50:44] Speaker 2: have an ascetic lifestyle where they're a monk living with
[50:47] Speaker 2: just one set of clothes for their entire lifetime, having
[50:49] Speaker 2: meager food and no possessions. Then they will have a
[50:54] Speaker 2: hedonistic lifestyle where they are just partaking in all of
[50:58] Speaker 2: these things and enjoying it. And the reason why they
[51:01] Speaker 2: have those lifetimes of experiences that they have these different
[51:04] Speaker 2: views of different perspectives of what it means to be
[51:07] Speaker 2: human and human lifestyles. So they can collect this into
[51:10] Speaker 2: a greater understanding of humanity as they progress on their path,
[51:14] Speaker 2: so that they can better connect and teach and help
[51:16] Speaker 2: people grow. And if we look at that all of
[51:19] Speaker 2: that at at the collective level, isn't that what we're
[51:22] Speaker 2: all doing, just getting a different perspective of all of
[51:25] Speaker 2: the challenges and the positives, and the.
[51:27] Speaker 1: Growth perspective does seem to be the key word. Even
[51:32] Speaker 1: in the afterlife, even in the spiritual realms, how you
[51:36] Speaker 1: view things tends to be what your experience is. Many
[51:42] Speaker 1: of that think that we're in this gnostic reality where
[51:48] Speaker 1: arcons control the afterlife and punish us by sending us
[51:51] Speaker 1: back here again. That is a negative perspective in my opinion.
[51:57] Speaker 1: What if this is, like you said, the Disneyland of
[52:02] Speaker 1: the cosmos where everybody wants to come and have those
[52:06] Speaker 1: kind of experiences.
[52:07] Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna say both are true. Those people who
[52:11] Speaker 2: need to feel that arconic control and that some saraw
[52:16] Speaker 2: trap will and those people that want to be avoiding
[52:20] Speaker 2: that will. It goes back to your perspective, Like you
[52:24] Speaker 2: just said, what your perspective is shapes your reality. And
[52:27] Speaker 2: if that's what you believe, and that's what you're buying into.
[52:30] Speaker 2: That's what you're going to experience with the caveat that
[52:34] Speaker 2: nothing is eternal. You might try that out for that
[52:37] Speaker 2: arconic control for one to ten lifetimes, and then it
[52:41] Speaker 2: gets old, it gets stale. You're like, hey, I wonder
[52:42] Speaker 2: what it would be like to do something different, and
[52:45] Speaker 2: then you go explore that too, which suggests that there's
[52:49] Speaker 2: something even bigger going on that we might not be
[52:52] Speaker 2: able to perceive in our third and fourth density existences.
[52:57] Speaker 2: We might not be able to perceive it from that
[52:59] Speaker 2: fifth density existence. That if all, if both sides of
[53:03] Speaker 2: the paradox are true, that suggests that there's something bigger
[53:06] Speaker 2: going on that we're not quite seeing yet. And so
[53:09] Speaker 2: that's where I find the hope in all of this
[53:12] Speaker 2: is I think all of that is true, which means
[53:14] Speaker 2: there's something even bigger that yet we have to explore
[53:17] Speaker 2: and understand, which is super fascinating to me.
[53:20] Speaker 1: Yes, it's like infinite layers of reality as above so below,
[53:26] Speaker 1: from the microscopic of the microscopic to the most massive
[53:31] Speaker 1: entity in the cosmos, it just keeps perpetually, infinitely.
[53:35] Speaker 2: Going turtles all the way down.
[53:38] Speaker 1: Would you say if a person is having trouble in
[53:42] Speaker 1: this incarnation and they're engaging in toxic activity, drugs, having
[53:47] Speaker 1: a very traumatizing life, that it's going to be more
[53:51] Speaker 1: difficult for them to connect with positive spiritual experiences, but
[53:56] Speaker 1: they may connect easier with the negative ones.
[54:02] Speaker 2: I've seen that. I've seen that more often than not.
[54:04] Speaker 2: And we can use the addictive behavior maybe as an excuse,
[54:12] Speaker 2: but it definitely adds some vulnerability to it. It's a
[54:14] Speaker 2: very complex layered thing, and I never ever want to
[54:17] Speaker 2: blame the victim at all, not at all, but there
[54:21] Speaker 2: may have been that presupposition. And I'm just going to
[54:25] Speaker 2: use an extreme case here. This is not the norm,
[54:28] Speaker 2: but let's say an extreme case. Let's suppose that there
[54:31] Speaker 2: was already some sort of self destructive behavior because of
[54:34] Speaker 2: something they picked up in childhood, or there may be
[54:36] Speaker 2: a neurobiological imbalance going on maybe, and that self destructive
[54:43] Speaker 2: inclination is what led them into the addictive behaviors. But
[54:47] Speaker 2: I want to suggest that it's that shadow, that shadow
[54:51] Speaker 2: nature of that self destructive behavior that is creating that
[54:54] Speaker 2: energy output that will create that connection and create those
[54:57] Speaker 2: entities that will reinforce them self destructive pattern and it
[55:02] Speaker 2: will say, here's the behavior that reinforces this. They're not
[55:06] Speaker 2: consciously aware of it, they're not thinking it, they just
[55:08] Speaker 2: maybe subconsciously tuned into it and following that. And again,
[55:13] Speaker 2: that's not permanent, it's not eternal. We've seen people that
[55:16] Speaker 2: can break out of the cycles. That it is hard work.
[55:19] Speaker 2: And I do commend people who are in recovery. That
[55:21] Speaker 2: is amazing that they're doing that, that is wonderful. But
[55:26] Speaker 2: I'm not inclined to blame the behaviors or the individual.
[55:31] Speaker 2: But there's some proclivity there that needs to be addressed
[55:35] Speaker 2: that underlies all of that. And when we address that
[55:39] Speaker 2: underlying proclivity, that's where we can find the resolution.
[55:43] Speaker 1: Do you think if humanity as a whole evolves to
[55:51] Speaker 1: a collective spiritual understanding about the nature of reality that
[55:56] Speaker 1: reflects a more realistic experience both in the afterlife and
[56:02] Speaker 1: the material, that we wouldn't have a need for organized religions,
[56:08] Speaker 1: dogmatic beliefs, things of that nature. Maybe.
[56:13] Speaker 2: Maybe, And here's what my thinking is on that. When
[56:18] Speaker 2: we look at some of the old mystery school texts,
[56:21] Speaker 2: you know, the Hermeticum, even the Bible, even some of
[56:25] Speaker 2: these old old texts and we look at the parables
[56:28] Speaker 2: and the metaphors and the symbolism that they used. You know,
[56:31] Speaker 2: a lot of alchemy hid their secrets and the symbolism.
[56:36] Speaker 2: And there was a group, there's a camp of thinking
[56:38] Speaker 2: out there that says, Oh, they were trying to obstecate
[56:43] Speaker 2: the secrets that they were trying to hide the secret
[56:47] Speaker 2: information that they had. And I'm going to suggest what
[56:50] Speaker 2: if they were doing just the opposite. What if they
[56:53] Speaker 2: were connecting with the ineffable, something that was beyond their
[56:57] Speaker 2: perceptive awareness, something beyond their unders standing, and all they
[57:01] Speaker 2: could do was create the symbolism. All they could do
[57:04] Speaker 2: is create the parable and the metaphor as a means
[57:08] Speaker 2: to be open and expressive as best as they could
[57:12] Speaker 2: about what they were experiencing, giving the cultural norms and
[57:16] Speaker 2: the cultural understandings of their time period. And in today's world,
[57:21] Speaker 2: when we're starting to understand the quantum science and the
[57:24] Speaker 2: connection of consciousness and the observer effect, it is no different.
[57:29] Speaker 2: People are experiencing the ineffable, something that they cannot put
[57:33] Speaker 2: into linear physical words and terms that we understand. So
[57:38] Speaker 2: they go to quantum science as a metaphor to explain
[57:42] Speaker 2: what they were experiencing. So I will say that the
[57:45] Speaker 2: alchemical drawings of let's say, the divine marriage is no
[57:50] Speaker 2: different than somebody talking about the observer effect and how
[57:54] Speaker 2: consciousness affects manifestation. They're still tapping into something ineffable that
[57:59] Speaker 2: they can't use, but they are applying it to the
[58:02] Speaker 2: cultural and mythological constructs that are applicable to them at
[58:05] Speaker 2: the time. And I think nothing has changed. I do
[58:10] Speaker 2: think more people are becoming more aware, but it's still
[58:14] Speaker 2: we're having that challenge to put it in terms that
[58:16] Speaker 2: we can communicate to each other.
[58:19] Speaker 1: In closing, are you optimistic about the current direction we're
[58:23] Speaker 1: headed collectively? Do you see us able to avoid the
[58:29] Speaker 1: proverbial train flying off the tracks?
[58:32] Speaker 2: In a sense, this is where we have to be
[58:38] Speaker 2: very aware of the information that we're receiving, because if
[58:41] Speaker 2: we look at news, and we look at social media,
[58:43] Speaker 2: we look at mainstream media, they are only going to
[58:46] Speaker 2: report to you and announce to you the outlier, strange,
[58:52] Speaker 2: bizarre disaster, weird situations. But they talk about it so
[58:56] Speaker 2: much that it influences our cognitive bias that we think
[59:00] Speaker 2: this is going on all the time, that the world
[59:02] Speaker 2: is falling apart, look at what's happening. But if you
[59:04] Speaker 2: take a breath, you take a part to step back
[59:08] Speaker 2: and remember something very interesting that modern science understands. You
[59:12] Speaker 2: cannot observe reality because we only have a little tiny
[59:16] Speaker 2: sliver of it that we can perceive. But the measurements
[59:20] Speaker 2: and the data that you receive still comes down to perception.
[59:24] Speaker 2: But that will tell you the truth of what's really
[59:25] Speaker 2: going on. And so if we look past the media
[59:28] Speaker 2: and the things trying to stir us up and stir
[59:30] Speaker 2: us into that fear state, and we look at the cold,
[59:33] Speaker 2: hard data, we are living in the most peaceful and
[59:37] Speaker 2: prosperous time in all of human history by a dramatic
[59:41] Speaker 2: drop in violence and poverty and all of that dramatic drop,
[59:48] Speaker 2: and those numbers are improving. So if we look at
[59:51] Speaker 2: just the raw data and not the media, yeah, we're
[59:55] Speaker 2: doing the right things, we're on the right path, and
[59:57] Speaker 2: we're seeing those shifts happening all all the time. But
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: we have to remember, don't don't just rely on what
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: we're being told. Dig deeper and find you'll find the
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: answers what's really happening. So I'm very optimistic.
[1:00:10] Speaker 1: Turn off your phone, turn off your TV, go outside,
[1:00:14] Speaker 1: observe nature, talk to your neighbors, and that'll give you
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: a better idea of what reality is really about. I'd
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: say for sure. Kdrick, thank you so much, man, this
[1:00:23] Speaker 1: was great. Before I let you go, remind the audience
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: one more time how they can find more of you.
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, this is great. I love talking about this stuff.
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: Thank you. Yep. You go to my website Kdrick dot com.
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: It's spelled k A E D R I c H.
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: Or use my name Google, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. Like I said,
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: my name is a key, that magic key that opens
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: up secret doors. I got to turn that into something better.
[1:00:47] Speaker 2: But that's fun.
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: It is fun. I like it. Thank you so much. Man.
[1:00:52] Speaker 1: We'll do it again. And until next time, everyone, have
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: an excellent evening. We will talk again tomorrow. See y'all.
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