# FKN Classics Double Feature! Cosmic Peach - Conspiracy Buffet | John Russell - PSI Abilities

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 1 Sep 2026, 2 h 20 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Today I want to welcome Julia.
[0:09] Speaker 1: She is the host of Cosmic Peach Podcast. She brings
[0:13] Speaker 1: a unique perspective to all things that go bump in
[0:16] Speaker 1: the night, exploring the fringe and unthinkable, cryptids, true crime,
[0:21] Speaker 1: paranormal activity, conspiracy theories, and the most ancient of mysteries.
[0:26] Speaker 2: Julia, welcome. How you doing?
[0:29] Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I'm thrilled to be here. Thanks for
[0:32] Speaker 3: having me.
[0:34] Speaker 2: Yes, it's great to have you. This is going to
[0:36] Speaker 2: be super fun. I've been looking forward to this.
[0:38] Speaker 1: And when you sent me topic ideas, I thought, why
[0:42] Speaker 1: not explore multiple topics on yet another edition of Conspiracy Buffet?
[0:47] Speaker 2: That's right.
[0:48] Speaker 1: On Conspiracy Buffet, we explore many of the famous or
[0:53] Speaker 1: lesser known conspiracies. Maybe we might even make up a
[0:56] Speaker 1: few tonight. We'll see how it goes.
[0:59] Speaker 3: And lately, it.
[1:00] Speaker 1: Seems that more and more of these conspiracies appear to
[1:03] Speaker 1: be coming true as time passes. So we're in very
[1:07] Speaker 1: fun times right now. Before we get to anything, though,
[1:10] Speaker 1: let the audience know a little bit about yourself. It's
[1:12] Speaker 1: your first time on your background and your podcast.
[1:16] Speaker 3: Yeah. Thank you so much for that. So my name
[1:19] Speaker 3: is Julia. I host the Cosmic Peach podcast and I
[1:23] Speaker 3: cover paranormal stories. conspiracy theories, and anything you can imagine
[1:31] Speaker 3: related to those topics. I am on all major podcast
[1:39] Speaker 3: platforms and YouTube, but I don't put every episode out
[1:42] Speaker 3: on YouTube for obvious reasons. Just a more mild side
[1:47] Speaker 3: of things on YouTube. But I'm cosmic.peach.podcast on Instagram. And
[1:55] Speaker 3: I hope to become a repeat offender here on your
[1:58] Speaker 3: show because I've definitely been looking forward to this conversation
[2:03] Speaker 3: as well.
[2:05] Speaker 2: Excellent.
[2:06] Speaker 4: Awesome.
[2:07] Speaker 1: So let's get into this conspiracy buffet. We're going to
[2:10] Speaker 1: run through some of the, some of our favorite conspiracies,
[2:14] Speaker 1: maybe some new things that are popping up in the
[2:16] Speaker 1: news lately. And I think that's a good place to start.
[2:20] Speaker 1: UFOs are apparently real. Aliens are apparently real. Now, This
[2:23] Speaker 1: used to be one of my favorite topics until our
[2:27] Speaker 1: government and mainstream media started telling me that aliens are real.
[2:32] Speaker 1: And they obviously don't have the best track record of
[2:35] Speaker 1: ever telling the truth about anything. Now, of course, there's
[2:38] Speaker 1: propaganda throughout. There's mixes of truth probably in some of
[2:43] Speaker 1: this information. But there's more questions than answers as usual.
[2:49] Speaker 1: And we just had this congressional hearing, which was– it
[2:52] Speaker 1: was– I don't know what to say about it. It's
[2:55] Speaker 1: very interesting. But let's get your thoughts. What do you think,
[2:58] Speaker 1: first of all, in aliens in general?
[3:01] Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
[3:02] Speaker 3: So I started my podcast because I was very intrigued with,
[3:10] Speaker 3: by the title of my podcast, Cosmic Peach. I've since
[3:16] Speaker 3: changed a lot of my opinions on that because I've
[3:22] Speaker 3: been looking into flat earth, and it doesn't matter if
[3:26] Speaker 3: you're round earth or flat earth or whatever, we can
[3:29] Speaker 3: all agree that there are levels to the deception, and
[3:34] Speaker 3: it just depends on how far you want to go
[3:36] Speaker 3: into that, but I am an advocate for the firmaments
[3:41] Speaker 3: in flat earth. So if they're not aliens coming from Mars,
[3:44] Speaker 3: what are they really? And how did they get here?
[3:47] Speaker 3: What is the technology? And I think that we're dealing
[3:50] Speaker 3: with something that's anciently old, but not from another species.
[3:56] Speaker 3: I think that if you look into a biblical standpoint,
[4:01] Speaker 3: a lot of the technology that they're rolling out now,
[4:05] Speaker 3: was around during the time of Atlantis when the giants
[4:09] Speaker 3: were roaming the earth. Ancient Egypt, there are ziggurats and
[4:15] Speaker 3: Babylon and all these places around the world where you
[4:18] Speaker 3: see ancient technology being used. So they've had it all
[4:22] Speaker 3: this time, but it's been forbidden, if you will. And
[4:28] Speaker 3: they're trying to introduce it into society in small chunks.
[4:32] Speaker 3: I think that we're dealing with fallen angel technology. I
[4:36] Speaker 3: don't necessarily believe in the existence of extraterrestrials or aliens
[4:40] Speaker 3: from another planet. But I do think that it's fallen
[4:44] Speaker 3: angel technology. And they're tapping into some shit. at these
[4:50] Speaker 3: deep underground military bases, which are just code words for portals.
[4:55] Speaker 3: They're tapping into different dimensions. They're gaining knowledge from somewhere
[4:58] Speaker 3: and they're applying it to make these craft that we're seeing.
[5:05] Speaker 3: They know what they're doing. It's been told in a
[5:08] Speaker 3: thousand movies in Hollywood that, you know, they're tapping into
[5:13] Speaker 3: some different energy. They're getting answers from somewhere else. And
[5:17] Speaker 3: even Nikola Tesla is, is on record saying he was channeling.
[5:23] Speaker 3: Hearing voices in his head coming from where? Demons? Ghosts? Aliens?
[5:29] Speaker 3: Whatever you want to call it. It's coming from something else.
[5:33] Speaker 3: So I don't know what your thoughts are on that, but.
[5:36] Speaker 1: Well, there's a common theme, just like you said, of
[5:39] Speaker 1: this channeling. Whatever type of entity. One of my favorite
[5:44] Speaker 1: is the channeling of the Nine... Where Gene Roddenberry was
[5:49] Speaker 1: part of these elite groups that would channel these interdimensional
[5:53] Speaker 1: beings that would give information about the past and future.
[5:57] Speaker 1: Very incredible experiences that these people were having through these
[6:02] Speaker 1: types of seances. And I'm with you. I think that
[6:05] Speaker 1: this is definitely more of a interdimensional, spiritual, metaphysical type
[6:10] Speaker 1: of experience for, I've had my own, what you would call,
[6:13] Speaker 1: sort of contact experiences, and these were very spiritual experiences
[6:18] Speaker 1: for me. But I don't discount anyone else's experiences. There
[6:23] Speaker 1: are very profound experiences where people are saying that this
[6:27] Speaker 1: is a very physical thing and they have these vivid memories.
[6:31] Speaker 1: The problem is we never get any physical proof. We
[6:34] Speaker 1: never get any type of physical evidence with any of this.
[6:40] Speaker 1: And there's also the speculation that there is very high
[6:44] Speaker 1: level involvement from our military-industrial complex To perpetuate the UFO
[6:50] Speaker 1: alien agenda, possibly even to the extent of abducting people
[6:56] Speaker 1: and faking a lot of the experiences to get people
[6:59] Speaker 1: to believe that.
[7:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because they want this Project Blue Beam, quote unquote,
[7:06] Speaker 3: to come into fruition. And they would love for everyone
[7:10] Speaker 3: to believe in something like that because it would go
[7:13] Speaker 3: along with their agenda. But I think in the instances
[7:16] Speaker 3: where people are having physical experiences, being abducted, seeing beings,
[7:21] Speaker 3: there are what I call on my show empty biological
[7:26] Speaker 3: vessels for the spirits of these interdimensional beings, entities, fallen
[7:32] Speaker 3: ones to inhabit, to interact on the physical plane. So
[7:38] Speaker 3: if you're talking about greys, that would make sense to
[7:41] Speaker 3: me because they can manufacture a biological vessel that looks
[7:46] Speaker 3: very real, but it's just a host for the spirit
[7:51] Speaker 3: of one of these entities, beings, whatever, to inhabit to
[7:55] Speaker 3: be able to interact in our world. So When you
[7:58] Speaker 3: hear about physical experiences, I believe it. I believe they
[8:02] Speaker 3: saw something. I believe they may have been abducted, whatever.
[8:06] Speaker 3: But it's all part of a larger experiment. And I
[8:11] Speaker 3: do think that there is military involvement in that. I
[8:16] Speaker 3: know that there has been experiences documented, such as Travis
[8:20] Speaker 3: Walton and fire in the sky, kind of seeing gray entities,
[8:25] Speaker 3: but then later seeing... Beings that look like you and I,
[8:28] Speaker 3: but their eyes are super blue and they have real
[8:31] Speaker 3: blonde hair and they call those the Aryans or whatever
[8:34] Speaker 3: they want to label those. And I, again, think that
[8:39] Speaker 3: there's a lot of eugenics and also genetic experimentation going on.
[8:44] Speaker 3: I think that they can have beings that look like whatever,
[8:49] Speaker 3: dog people or mothman people or big feet. They're like experiments, right?
[8:56] Speaker 3: And they're testing it out to see what can be used.
[9:01] Speaker 3: So you may be freaked out if you saw a
[9:03] Speaker 3: gray or a dog person or a Bigfoot, but you
[9:07] Speaker 3: may be able to digest it easier if you saw
[9:12] Speaker 3: something that looked like you and I, but maybe just
[9:15] Speaker 3: a little bit different biological features. So I think it's
[9:19] Speaker 3: just a massive grand experiment. Sure, they're probably abducting people.
[9:23] Speaker 3: They probably need eggs. They probably do need sperm. They're
[9:26] Speaker 3: making people in tubes and like all this crazy shit.
[9:30] Speaker 3: But if you go down that rabbit hole, it's like
[9:34] Speaker 3: never ending. It just keeps going and going and going.
[9:37] Speaker 3: And then at the end, you're like, I'm fucking crazy.
[9:41] Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned some magical words there, some of these
[9:45] Speaker 1: cryptid creatures that I am right in the midst of
[9:49] Speaker 1: shooting a docuseries about some of these creatures, mainly in
[9:52] Speaker 1: the Louisiana area. And the possibility that these are some
[9:58] Speaker 1: sort of chimeras or experiment by our military industrial complex
[10:04] Speaker 1: has come up numerous times from numerous people. And I've
[10:08] Speaker 1: considered this as well. It would be a very simple
[10:13] Speaker 1: and possible explanation for these creatures I've heard from different
[10:20] Speaker 1: whistleblowers testimony that some of these beings had escaped from
[10:26] Speaker 1: certain underground facilities and either attacked people, things of that nature.
[10:31] Speaker 1: So that's very interesting to consider. You think that all
[10:34] Speaker 1: these cryptids too are hybrid chimera beings?
[10:40] Speaker 3: So I've had, and some of your listeners may be
[10:43] Speaker 3: familiar with him. His name is Gary Wayne.
[10:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[10:47] Speaker 2: I had him on the other day.
[10:48] Speaker 3: Yeah. He's the author of the Genesis six conspiracy. And
[10:51] Speaker 3: we talk a lot about the Nephilim, but I did
[10:54] Speaker 3: a lot of research on my own to try to troubleshoot,
[10:58] Speaker 3: if you will, some of the questions that I get
[11:01] Speaker 3: asked a lot by my listeners. And one of them
[11:03] Speaker 3: was big feet and moth man and dog man. And
[11:10] Speaker 3: in the Bible, it does state that the fallen ones
[11:14] Speaker 3: had families, not only with human women, but but with animals.
[11:18] Speaker 3: And so if you could imagine what a fallen angel
[11:21] Speaker 3: and a dog would look like, or a fallen angel
[11:24] Speaker 3: and a....
[11:28] Speaker 2: Ape would look like.
[11:30] Speaker 3: Or whatever a fallen angel in a horse would look
[11:34] Speaker 3: like you may get big feet and dogmen and bird
[11:39] Speaker 3: headed beings and dog headed beings and unicorns and all
[11:42] Speaker 3: these things that are seen throughout time because you do
[11:46] Speaker 3: see them throughout time so that makes sense to me
[11:51] Speaker 3: but I also think that they are doing experiments to
[11:55] Speaker 3: kind of hijack these creatures so let's say that they're
[12:00] Speaker 3: interdimensional that they have interdimensional capabilities like their parents the
[12:05] Speaker 3: fallen angels would have so they're able to go in
[12:08] Speaker 3: and out of realities um and this is just naturally
[12:12] Speaker 3: occurring they have this ability to do that they get
[12:16] Speaker 3: hijacked and they are experimented on for the benefit of
[12:24] Speaker 3: whatever program they're needing them for so A lot of
[12:28] Speaker 3: the experiments that they do are to make them aggressive,
[12:32] Speaker 3: kind of like a weapon against humanity. Because a lot
[12:36] Speaker 3: of Bigfoot encounters you hear, they're just passing through, collecting berries.
[12:42] Speaker 3: And you never find them. You go look for them.
[12:45] Speaker 3: They're gone. But then some of the Dogman stories you hear,
[12:49] Speaker 3: they're super aggressive. They want to rip your head off.
[12:53] Speaker 3: They're demonic in nature, this and that. So you almost
[12:56] Speaker 3: have to wonder, are they programming these creatures to do
[13:01] Speaker 3: their bidding? Or is it kind of a mix and
[13:05] Speaker 3: some are naturally occurring and some have been produced in
[13:10] Speaker 3: a lab or whatever? I mean, there's so many different
[13:14] Speaker 3: camps on that.
[13:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've even considered the possibility that what we
[13:20] Speaker 1: consider paranormal activity in many aspects could be some sort
[13:25] Speaker 1: of grand trickster intelligence that knows how to manifest into
[13:30] Speaker 1: our perception based on what our awareness will allow or
[13:35] Speaker 1: based on what they want us to perceive it as.
[13:38] Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about that possibility?
[13:40] Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think that the last few years, especially after
[13:47] Speaker 3: COVID hit, The veil between our world and other dimensions
[13:53] Speaker 3: is very, very thin. I think that kind of like
[13:57] Speaker 3: what they said in Ghostbusters. I know it's funny, but
[14:01] Speaker 3: they're in the car talking about the apocalypse and the
[14:04] Speaker 3: end of the world and how the dead will rise
[14:06] Speaker 3: from the grave and blah, blah, blah. But it's so
[14:10] Speaker 3: real because I feel like activity has picked up these
[14:15] Speaker 3: last few years. And is it your dead loved ones? Maybe.
[14:21] Speaker 3: A lot of people do think that it could be
[14:23] Speaker 3: residual or an intelligent haunting or whatever. Maybe you are
[14:26] Speaker 3: seeing the deceased spirit of a human being. Or is
[14:32] Speaker 3: it an entity that has crossed over and assumed the
[14:37] Speaker 3: likeness of someone you would feel comfortable with? So it
[14:43] Speaker 3: may look like grandma or grandpa or mom or dad
[14:47] Speaker 3: or whoever, but is it really, or are entities just
[14:53] Speaker 3: kind of freely crossing from our plane to the next?
[14:58] Speaker 3: And another thing that I've thought about is when you
[15:03] Speaker 3: go to some of these abandoned asylums and mental facilities
[15:08] Speaker 3: and places where people have been tortured or died in
[15:10] Speaker 3: terrible ways, tuberculosis hospitals, why is the activity so heavy there?
[15:15] Speaker 3: And it's because people were usually in a petrified state
[15:21] Speaker 3: when they died. So there's a lot of energy for
[15:24] Speaker 3: those entities to feed off of. So of course, they're
[15:27] Speaker 3: going to have an easier time entering into a place
[15:30] Speaker 3: like that, prisons, and sane asylums than it would be
[15:36] Speaker 3: at your grandma's house, which your grandma's house might be haunted,
[15:40] Speaker 3: I don't know, but they seem to feed on a
[15:44] Speaker 3: lot of toxic energy. So yeah, I'm again on the
[15:51] Speaker 3: fence between two things there because I've had paranormal experiences myself,
[15:56] Speaker 3: so I'm conflicted.
[15:59] Speaker 1: Well, let me add one more theory to this bucket,
[16:03] Speaker 1: one more possibility that I consider often, and it leads
[16:08] Speaker 1: to simulation theory, holographic universe. It's the possibility that if
[16:13] Speaker 1: we are avatars here, and just like a video game,
[16:19] Speaker 1: our essence or our spirit is outside of this, and
[16:21] Speaker 1: we're controlling these avatars to a certain extent, what if
[16:26] Speaker 1: Certain spiritual experiences, profound paranormal experiences are a sort of
[16:31] Speaker 1: like cheat code because we're screwing up so badly. We're
[16:35] Speaker 1: just eating shit and we're going the wrong direction and
[16:38] Speaker 1: we're outside the simulation. We're like, no, give this guy
[16:41] Speaker 1: a Bigfoot. He needs to give this guy a demonic experience.
[16:45] Speaker 1: He needs to snap out of this shit. So that's
[16:47] Speaker 1: something else.
[16:48] Speaker 4: Interesting.
[16:49] Speaker 3: No, I like that. I like that. I had not
[16:52] Speaker 3: considered that. It's like a game for them. We have
[16:57] Speaker 3: to level up to get to the next boss. I
[17:00] Speaker 3: got you. So that's very true. I talk a lot
[17:05] Speaker 3: on my show about kind of like us being in
[17:09] Speaker 3: the Truman Show. So, yeah, that's definitely a possibility. And
[17:16] Speaker 3: some of the paranormal experiences I had. were, like you said, profound.
[17:22] Speaker 3: They did change me in a way because I started
[17:26] Speaker 3: realizing there's more than just punching a clock nine to
[17:29] Speaker 3: five and you go to work, you come home, you
[17:31] Speaker 3: go to sleep. There's this whole astral realm that's going
[17:35] Speaker 3: on at all times around us. And I used to
[17:41] Speaker 3: see actually my living loved ones walking around my house
[17:48] Speaker 3: and And I would call out to them and be like, hey, Brooke,
[17:52] Speaker 3: for example, or my cousin Brooke, I'd be like, hey, Brooke,
[17:54] Speaker 3: what's up? And look just like her, looked her in
[17:57] Speaker 3: the eye, everything, talk like her, walk like her, smelled
[18:01] Speaker 3: like her. And then I would find out later that
[18:04] Speaker 3: she had been in her room asleep the whole time,
[18:08] Speaker 3: that she had never been in the kitchen, that we
[18:10] Speaker 3: never had that conversation. So it was like, who was
[18:12] Speaker 3: I talking to? And that happened several times, but If
[18:17] Speaker 3: they can assume the identity of a living person, or
[18:22] Speaker 3: let's say it's a glitch in the matrix. I know
[18:27] Speaker 3: it happened because I'm not crazy. And other people saw me,
[18:32] Speaker 3: for example, and I would say, no, I wasn't even home.
[18:35] Speaker 3: I was at work. That wasn't me. So is it
[18:39] Speaker 3: just hot spots? Maybe you built a house accidentally on
[18:44] Speaker 3: a ley line. Oopsie, my bad.
[18:46] Speaker 2: Maybe so.
[18:47] Speaker 1: Or it could be like the multiverse theory where there's
[18:51] Speaker 1: multiple realities occurring at one time and there are bleed
[18:54] Speaker 1: throughs for whatever reason from these different realities.
[18:58] Speaker 2: That's also interesting.
[19:00] Speaker 3: Yes, for sure. No, I agree with you. It's fucked
[19:03] Speaker 3: up either way.
[19:04] Speaker 5: It is.
[19:05] Speaker 1: Now, I want to go back to something that we
[19:07] Speaker 1: were touching on, the military-industrial-scientific aspect of creating horrible creatures
[19:16] Speaker 1: and experiments. And I know you cover a lot of
[19:20] Speaker 1: interesting things when it comes to celebrities. So, do you
[19:24] Speaker 1: believe that we have cloned celebrities, cloned world leaders, cloned politicians...
[19:29] Speaker 1: Things of that nature.
[19:30] Speaker 3: Abso-fucking-lutely, I believe that. Oh my gosh, they're walking amongst us.
[19:37] Speaker 3: And I also do a lot of stuff on inverted Hollywood,
[19:42] Speaker 3: but that might be for another episode because that's a
[19:45] Speaker 3: whole other rabbit hole. But yes, and I actually just
[19:50] Speaker 3: posted an episode on my Patreon for They Cloned Tyrone
[19:56] Speaker 3: it's a new movie that's out on Netflix yes and
[20:00] Speaker 3: I did it was about an hour and a half
[20:03] Speaker 3: episode solo episode just me talking about my thoughts on
[20:07] Speaker 3: that movie And I do believe that they use Hollywood
[20:13] Speaker 3: or Netflix or Disney Plus, whatever streaming platform you'd like
[20:17] Speaker 3: to choose, to give us an aspect of the truth
[20:22] Speaker 3: that's a little bit maybe more fantastical than what it
[20:25] Speaker 3: really is. But they sprinkle just a little bit in there.
[20:29] Speaker 3: So you are becoming... normalized to this idea that something
[20:36] Speaker 3: to this degree could maybe be happening in real life.
[20:42] Speaker 3: And that movie, I don't know, have you seen it?
[20:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw it the other day.
[20:46] Speaker 3: Pretty fucked, right? Definitely.
[20:49] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[20:50] Speaker 1: And more and more and more lately, they blatantly show
[20:54] Speaker 1: you the truth about these situations in such a fantastical
[20:59] Speaker 1: way that it can be automatically dismissed by those that
[21:02] Speaker 1: are watching these things. And that's more and more like
[21:05] Speaker 1: so many films lately, just in the past, just since COVID,
[21:09] Speaker 1: it seemed to be in ramping up. Like they're even
[21:11] Speaker 1: just throwing it in our faces a little bit more.
[21:15] Speaker 3: Think about that scene with the fucking chicken bucket. How
[21:18] Speaker 3: many times have they put some shit like that in
[21:22] Speaker 3: fast food? I talk about all the time. Fast food
[21:26] Speaker 3: restaurants are the biggest procurer of glitter, right? What are
[21:31] Speaker 3: they doing with that amount of glitter? And so when
[21:37] Speaker 3: I saw that scene in the movie, I got almost
[21:40] Speaker 3: kind of chills because it is MSG, whatever. You eat
[21:45] Speaker 3: it and then you crave it and it changes your
[21:48] Speaker 3: brain chemistry when you're eating it. They especially sprinkle some
[21:52] Speaker 3: shit on McDonald's fries. I know that for sure. There's
[21:56] Speaker 3: something in the salt that they used.
[21:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
[21:59] Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's in a movie. That was a
[22:02] Speaker 3: kind of a funny part, whatever. But it's not actually
[22:05] Speaker 3: funny because you are still eating it at Taco Bell, KFC, Popeyes, whatever.
[22:12] Speaker 3: And there was a lot of subtle hints in that
[22:15] Speaker 3: movie as well. As far as you see a commercial
[22:19] Speaker 3: on TV, you automatically start craving that food.
[22:23] Speaker 5: Think about that. Yeah.
[22:27] Speaker 1: Spoiler alert for anybody who hasn't seen this. What they
[22:32] Speaker 1: portrayed in this movie has actually been done by three-letter
[22:35] Speaker 1: agencies and military industrial complex to certain groups of people,
[22:40] Speaker 1: to certain neighborhoods, to certain cities. They focus on these
[22:46] Speaker 1: experimental test areas. where for whatever reason they pick out
[22:51] Speaker 1: a certain demographic of people or any type of reason
[22:55] Speaker 1: that they want to observe what is happening from either
[23:00] Speaker 1: a chemical that they're spraying on people, some sort of
[23:03] Speaker 1: other sick social experiments, mind control, frequencies, anything like that.
[23:08] Speaker 2: It's separate and conquer.
[23:11] Speaker 3: You have to separate and then conquer. If you get
[23:14] Speaker 3: people warring amongst each other, they'll never find out who
[23:18] Speaker 3: the real villain is because they'll always be fighting amongst
[23:22] Speaker 3: each other. And my husband is black. And as a
[23:26] Speaker 3: conspiracy theorist, we've had a number of very interesting conversations
[23:31] Speaker 3: within the last couple of years. And something that I'm
[23:34] Speaker 3: waking him up to the reality of is things that
[23:37] Speaker 3: are marketed towards like, hey, this is for you, black people.
[23:41] Speaker 3: is just a huge propaganda thing that's got nothing to
[23:45] Speaker 3: do with the benefit of black people. And he used
[23:48] Speaker 3: to argue with me about that, but he's slowly kind
[23:51] Speaker 3: of waking up to that. And I provide examples or
[23:54] Speaker 3: I'll say, look at this, look at this. And he's
[23:56] Speaker 3: kind of seeing it now, but it's almost like they
[24:00] Speaker 3: do it in such a way that they're offering something
[24:04] Speaker 3: to you that you don't. want or need or this
[24:08] Speaker 3: is for me this is this is special because it's
[24:12] Speaker 3: targeted just for me and it's like no you should
[24:15] Speaker 3: be worried when it's specifically targeted just for you because
[24:21] Speaker 3: 100 like i always say if just as a broad
[24:26] Speaker 3: example if black people and white people can never get
[24:29] Speaker 3: along they can never join forces to fucking figure out
[24:33] Speaker 3: what the fuck's really going on right.
[24:36] Speaker 1: That is one of the largest tactics to keep us
[24:40] Speaker 1: as far away from each other, far right, far left, black, white, gay, straight.
[24:47] Speaker 1: As long as we are arguing and fighting with each
[24:50] Speaker 1: other about these mundane, unimportant things that we should not
[24:56] Speaker 1: even focusing on, as long as we're arguing about these things,
[24:59] Speaker 1: we don't come together and we don't share the truth
[25:02] Speaker 1: and ideas together. And that is what they're afraid of
[25:05] Speaker 1: most of all is everybody coming together.
[25:07] Speaker 3: Dude, have you ever looked into Fred Hampton?
[25:13] Speaker 2: Fred Hampton. It sounds familiar, but I'm not sure.
[25:16] Speaker 3: So he was an activist in the 60s that was assassinated.
[25:20] Speaker 3: And his whole main thing was joining together the lower...
[25:29] Speaker 3: income neighborhoods of, let's say, Detroit and some of these
[25:34] Speaker 3: more impoverished areas with more of the white population. And
[25:40] Speaker 3: that was his whole goal is to start integrating lives.
[25:45] Speaker 3: And he would advocate for unity, not separation or not like, oh,
[25:53] Speaker 3: we're better than anybody. He would actually go to court
[25:58] Speaker 3: And he was on trial, actually, and testified. And I
[26:03] Speaker 3: have a snippet on one of my episodes of the
[26:06] Speaker 3: speech that he gave. And he said, they want us
[26:10] Speaker 3: to hate each other. They want us to fight amongst
[26:12] Speaker 3: each other. They want you to think the black man
[26:14] Speaker 3: is the enemy or the white man is the enemy.
[26:17] Speaker 3: And that is to distract you from realizing that The
[26:21] Speaker 3: person at the top is really the enemy. And he
[26:24] Speaker 3: was gunned down and shot in his apartment. And they
[26:28] Speaker 3: like blew his head off. And they actually had drugged
[26:31] Speaker 3: him prior to this. Waited for him to fall asleep.
[26:36] Speaker 3: Followed him back to his apartment. And freaking blew him away.
[26:41] Speaker 3: And there's this whole conspiracy behind it. People really need
[26:44] Speaker 3: to look into it. It's totally profound.
[26:46] Speaker 1: And.
[26:48] Speaker 3: Think about it.
[26:48] Speaker 2: One more time. What was this dude's name?
[26:50] Speaker 3: His name was Fred Hampton. And think about if they
[26:55] Speaker 3: were doing this in the 60s. Do you think it's
[26:58] Speaker 3: changed now or do you think it just looks a
[27:00] Speaker 3: little different?
[27:03] Speaker 1: I was just talking about this very thing earlier. We
[27:06] Speaker 1: have technology now, and I completely, 100% believe that what
[27:12] Speaker 1: was being done in the days of the MKUltra experiments
[27:16] Speaker 1: is being implemented and rolled out to the masses right
[27:19] Speaker 1: now via technology, pharmaceuticals, propaganda. And other mind control techniques
[27:27] Speaker 1: that were perfected in the 50s and 60s and now
[27:30] Speaker 1: just being rolled out to the masses because that's what
[27:33] Speaker 1: it was always about, mind controlling everyone.
[27:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, and it started to get into the works in
[27:41] Speaker 3: the 60s. I know for sure because I've done a
[27:43] Speaker 3: lot of research on the Laurel Canyon and the counterculture
[27:46] Speaker 3: movement and Tavistock and some of the like. But I
[27:53] Speaker 3: also think that we are... as a world being clockwork orange,
[28:02] Speaker 3: like you fucking believe. And they actually made a clockwork
[28:06] Speaker 3: orange reference in this new, they clone Tyrone movie where you,
[28:11] Speaker 3: they're holding the chick's eyes open and flashing stuff in
[28:14] Speaker 3: front of her face. That's not a joke. That's not cinema.
[28:18] Speaker 3: That really happens. And when you watch TV and, There's
[28:24] Speaker 3: actually something that triggers in your mind and you can't
[28:28] Speaker 3: tell the difference between what's happening in reality and what's
[28:31] Speaker 3: happening on a screen. Your mind perceives it as reality.
[28:35] Speaker 3: So when you see traumatic events taking place on TV,
[28:40] Speaker 3: you are becoming traumatized. It is the same clockwork orange bullshit,
[28:45] Speaker 3: but I think it started even before that. Because when
[28:49] Speaker 3: you go back to Hitler and the Nazis and Project Paperclip,
[28:54] Speaker 3: they took all of those really upper, upper, upper echelon
[28:59] Speaker 3: Nazi scientists and brought them the fuck over here and
[29:02] Speaker 3: started letting them conduct all these experiments. And to get
[29:07] Speaker 3: back to a more like paranormal aspect of that, who
[29:13] Speaker 3: did Hitler say that he was channeling? He was channeling
[29:16] Speaker 3: the Vril, these blonde haired, blue eyed entities that, He
[29:21] Speaker 3: would tell him that he had to do certain things
[29:24] Speaker 3: in order to get what? Technology. So it all goes
[29:30] Speaker 3: in a big circle. There is an interdimensional aspect to this.
[29:35] Speaker 3: There is a spiritual aspect to this, but it's also integrated.
[29:40] Speaker 3: into government and into culture so it's all one big
[29:47] Speaker 3: part of the puzzle.
[29:49] Speaker 1: Yeah and also Hollywood and the media are the biggest
[29:53] Speaker 1: weapons that are being used against the people right now
[29:57] Speaker 1: they always have been That's what they were developed for.
[30:00] Speaker 1: Now we have social media to add to that, and
[30:03] Speaker 1: of course we see the targeting of the children in
[30:06] Speaker 1: many different disgusting ways. But you mentioned inverted Hollywood. This
[30:10] Speaker 1: is such an important part of the propaganda and mind control,
[30:16] Speaker 1: and the best way to portray a false narrative is
[30:22] Speaker 1: the marriage between the CIA and Hollywood, which has also
[30:26] Speaker 1: been around since the onset. This is something that is
[30:30] Speaker 1: so important for people to realize. When they're mindlessly watching
[30:37] Speaker 1: the TV, when they're tuning into the news, when they're
[30:41] Speaker 1: watching anything that comes across that screen has been pre-approved
[30:46] Speaker 1: for your consumption for propaganda. And that is it. And
[30:50] Speaker 1: everything that we see, we need to think of it
[30:53] Speaker 1: like a fast food commercial that everything we're seeing is
[30:56] Speaker 1: a bunch of fakery and we can't trust any of it.
[30:59] Speaker 2: They do.
[31:00] Speaker 1: Yes, they do tell the truth sometimes, but that's the
[31:02] Speaker 1: way propaganda works.
[31:03] Speaker 2: You have to.
[31:04] Speaker 1: Sprinkle in the truth in with the lies if it
[31:07] Speaker 1: was going to be effective. Yeah.
[31:08] Speaker 3: Well, have you noticed how people have calm way the
[31:10] Speaker 3: fuck down since COVID hasn't been like a thing for
[31:13] Speaker 3: a few years? Months or like a year. So when
[31:17] Speaker 3: COVID was on and popping, everybody was looking for your show,
[31:21] Speaker 3: my show, a conspiracy show. Because deep down, they knew.
[31:26] Speaker 3: They knew there was something more going on than just
[31:31] Speaker 3: a bad virus that just got fucking... fucked off from
[31:35] Speaker 3: this bat that had fucking diarrhea all over some guy.
[31:38] Speaker 3: Like they knew that it was more than that. But
[31:42] Speaker 3: now that COVID has calmed down, you don't have to
[31:45] Speaker 3: social distance as much. You can go back out to
[31:47] Speaker 3: the bars. You can go back to work without wearing
[31:51] Speaker 3: your mask, whatever the vaccine shits, calm down. People don't
[31:55] Speaker 3: care anymore. And this is the problem. Don't get upset
[31:59] Speaker 3: when there's a problem immediately. You need to maintain that
[32:04] Speaker 3: fire even if there's not a problem. So I have
[32:10] Speaker 3: this kind of metaphor that I use with Christians because
[32:15] Speaker 3: they only pray when they need something, but they don't
[32:18] Speaker 3: want to be a Christian when everything's going well in
[32:20] Speaker 3: their life because they don't need God because everything's going
[32:24] Speaker 3: well in their life. But the second shit hits the fan,
[32:27] Speaker 3: they're on their hands and knees and they're praying and
[32:30] Speaker 3: God help me, please. And that's the same thing with
[32:33] Speaker 3: what the government has done to us. They squeeze us really,
[32:39] Speaker 3: really tight and then they let loose a little bit.
[32:41] Speaker 3: And we're like, oh, thank God that's over with. Let's
[32:44] Speaker 3: get back to normal. And then they'll squeeze it really
[32:46] Speaker 3: tight again and then they'll let loose. And what we're
[32:49] Speaker 3: trying to get people to understand is this is conditioning.
[32:53] Speaker 3: It's like an abusive relationship. You know, how many times
[32:57] Speaker 3: are you going to let your boyfriend punch you in
[32:59] Speaker 3: the face and then be all sweet and nice and
[33:02] Speaker 3: you get back together with him and he swears he's
[33:04] Speaker 3: going to change this time and then he punches you again?
[33:08] Speaker 3: How many times do we have to get knocked down
[33:11] Speaker 3: before we start realizing that the only solution to this
[33:16] Speaker 3: problem is a constant revolt against tolerance?
[33:22] Speaker 4: Hmm.
[33:25] Speaker 1: Do you think this is strictly a control move? There's
[33:28] Speaker 1: multiple purposes for what's happened since 2020. Depopulation, eugenics, control,
[33:37] Speaker 1: rollout of new currency, social credit system. These are all
[33:41] Speaker 1: obvious to us, some of the agendas that are going on.
[33:44] Speaker 1: But do you think that there's something, a bigger picture
[33:46] Speaker 1: that we're not seeing that could be possibly another reason
[33:51] Speaker 1: why this is all happening right now?
[33:54] Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm more of the mindset leaning towards Christianity
[34:00] Speaker 3: that all these events need to happen in order to
[34:03] Speaker 3: bring about revelation. So all of these events have to
[34:08] Speaker 3: come about to bring the end of times to fruition.
[34:13] Speaker 3: Whether you are a Christian or not, every religion talks
[34:16] Speaker 3: about it. They talk about how in the end of time, this, this, this, this,
[34:21] Speaker 3: this will happen again. Wake up, people. Look around you.
[34:26] Speaker 3: We're in the fucking middle of it. Right now. We're
[34:29] Speaker 3: in the fucking middle of it. So, whether you want
[34:32] Speaker 3: to say it's the Christian aspect of it, Buddha, whatever,
[34:38] Speaker 3: you're Muslim, I don't, I'm not judgmental in any aspect
[34:43] Speaker 3: of that, but all I'm saying is every prophetic vision
[34:48] Speaker 3: of the end of the world is very, very similar
[34:52] Speaker 3: to And no matter which one you read, it looks
[34:56] Speaker 3: like we're in the middle of it. Child sacrifice, chopping
[35:02] Speaker 3: our genitals off, and X, Y, Z. But I think
[35:07] Speaker 3: the next stop is literally cannibalism. They want to have
[35:12] Speaker 3: it like Zombieland for real in this motherfucker. You're about
[35:16] Speaker 3: to see them putting human meat into shit. And whether
[35:19] Speaker 3: you know it or not, you're eating actual human flesh.
[35:24] Speaker 3: Fast food restaurants, namely.
[35:26] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[35:27] Speaker 1: Well, the attempt to alter humanity in, in, on a
[35:32] Speaker 1: genetic level has been being implemented for a long time.
[35:37] Speaker 1: They've been trying to change us through the, like I said, pharmaceuticals,
[35:42] Speaker 1: the food, the air we breathe. And it seems like
[35:45] Speaker 1: they're moving towards an agenda to get people to stop
[35:49] Speaker 1: eating meat altogether. And they have the, you know, Klaus
[35:53] Speaker 1: telling us to eat the bugs. But you're saying they
[35:56] Speaker 1: could go to something like feeding us human meat?
[36:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it could be impossible meat, to be
[36:03] Speaker 3: honest with you. Have you ever tried it?
[36:04] Speaker 5: Oh, no. Oh, no.
[36:06] Speaker 3: Oh, my God. So before I started my conspiracy theory journey,
[36:11] Speaker 3: it was new at Qdoba, which I didn't know this,
[36:15] Speaker 3: but a lot of places don't have a Qdoba. Qdoba
[36:18] Speaker 3: is like.
[36:20] Speaker 3: Chipotle or you go and you build a bowl or
[36:22] Speaker 3: a burrito or whatever. And they had rolled out this
[36:25] Speaker 3: impossible meat type of thing. And it was lower calories
[36:30] Speaker 3: and blah, blah, blah. They really sell it to you
[36:32] Speaker 3: as more of a healthy alternative. It's plant-based. And so
[36:37] Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, let me put it in my bowl.
[36:40] Speaker 3: Let's see what it's talking about. Let me try it. Dude,
[36:44] Speaker 3: that shit will give you like the splatty flatulence, fucking gas,
[36:48] Speaker 3: fucking cramps. You'll be in the fetus position, like a
[36:52] Speaker 3: holding your stomach. Like what did I just do to myself?
[36:55] Speaker 3: And then the more research I do, it feels like
[36:59] Speaker 3: it's either chemical or maybe it's actual human meat, something
[37:05] Speaker 3: to that effect where your body has no idea how
[37:10] Speaker 3: to process that. None, zero idea. It makes you actually sick.
[37:18] Speaker 1: Now, they spent a lot of time and effort and
[37:21] Speaker 1: money on the COVID and the jabs that followed. There's
[37:26] Speaker 1: some that speculate that this attempt is not over, that
[37:30] Speaker 1: we may see a much worse version of COVID in
[37:34] Speaker 1: the future or something along those lines.
[37:37] Speaker 2: What do you think about that possibility?
[37:40] Speaker 3: I think that they'll actually try to bring back OG COVID.
[37:44] Speaker 3: In my opinion, I think they'll try to bring back
[37:46] Speaker 3: OG COVID because we're used to that. We're okay with that.
[37:52] Speaker 3: What I think that it really will be is some
[37:56] Speaker 3: bizarre side effect from the people who got the stabbies.
[38:01] Speaker 3: So I think that's more likely. What would be more terrifying, though, is.
[38:09] Speaker 3: Something that affects the skin as far as the plagues
[38:14] Speaker 3: of Egypt, the boils and sores, like the monkey pox,
[38:18] Speaker 3: that would be more terrifying. And I do feel like
[38:22] Speaker 3: that would fulfill prophecy for it to be boils and
[38:26] Speaker 3: sores or some type of leprosy where your limbs are
[38:31] Speaker 3: actually falling off kind of like a zombie land type
[38:35] Speaker 3: of scenario. I think that... would fulfill prophecy, but they
[38:41] Speaker 3: will most likely bring back some kind of COVID and
[38:43] Speaker 3: try to make it scarier. I do know that there
[38:46] Speaker 3: is a weird influx of mosquitoes, gnats, flies, ticks, fleas,
[38:53] Speaker 3: and it's been reported all over the country. Massive influx
[38:57] Speaker 3: of mosquitoes, gnats, flies, any type of weird creepy crawly.
[39:03] Speaker 3: I actually just watched a video not too long ago
[39:05] Speaker 3: where someone was riding their bicycle from home to work
[39:09] Speaker 3: in New York, I believe. And by the time they
[39:12] Speaker 3: got to work, their face, clothes, beard, hair, everything was
[39:18] Speaker 3: covered in gnats. Covered in gnats. And so could the
[39:25] Speaker 3: insects actually be biologically engineered to give us some type
[39:29] Speaker 3: of a weirdness? Disease. I know that if you. If
[39:34] Speaker 3: you get West Nile. It's a lot like COVID. So.
[39:40] Speaker 3: That's interesting to me. It's a bad flu. West Nile
[39:43] Speaker 3: is just a really bad flu. That has COVID like symptoms.
[39:47] Speaker 3: You know you're short of breath. You have the coughing, sneezing, congestion, whatever,
[39:53] Speaker 3: sore throat, fever, sometimes a skin rash, which was also
[39:57] Speaker 3: associated with COVID. And could they be engineering mosquitoes?
[40:05] Speaker 1: Well, if they did roll out another COVID, it'd be
[40:08] Speaker 1: pretty convenient if they were able to affect everyone that's
[40:12] Speaker 1: already got the stabbies to mimic another horrible disease, maybe
[40:17] Speaker 1: even worse than COVID. To where it would have an
[40:21] Speaker 1: effect that people would actually be dying and we'd be
[40:24] Speaker 1: witnessing this other than just hearing about it on the
[40:27] Speaker 1: news with these fake stories that they.
[40:30] Speaker 2: Were showing us. So that is another thing.
[40:34] Speaker 3: The only people that I know that died from getting
[40:39] Speaker 3: quote unquote COVID were tubed up in the hospital.
[40:43] Speaker 4: Yes, 100%.
[40:43] Speaker 3: You know, that was induced death. That wasn't like I
[40:47] Speaker 3: got really bad pneumonia and got fucked up and died.
[40:51] Speaker 3: That was like an intentional death, getting tubed for no
[40:55] Speaker 3: fucking reason at all. Ventilators and shit like that. Oh,
[40:58] Speaker 3: we can't pull them off the ventilator. I do know
[41:00] Speaker 3: people who died of quote unquote COVID, but it was
[41:04] Speaker 3: so bizarre. Like they just had a really bad fever
[41:09] Speaker 3: or headache or something. They went to the emergency room
[41:13] Speaker 3: immediately placed on a ventilator.
[41:14] Speaker 1: That's another thing. They went to the emergency room. Seems
[41:18] Speaker 1: like most of the deaths happen to people who are
[41:21] Speaker 1: actually going seek medical attention for it.
[41:25] Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know what else? This is an interesting story.
[41:28] Speaker 3: My let's just be vague for privacy purposes, but someone
[41:35] Speaker 3: in my life husband was out in the yard fixing
[41:40] Speaker 3: her car. And there was something wrong with it. He
[41:43] Speaker 3: was taking the engine out and putting it back together
[41:46] Speaker 3: in the car. He grabbed his chest, fell over in
[41:50] Speaker 3: the driveway, stroked out, died. She called 911. They picked
[41:55] Speaker 3: him up, put him on a gurney, took him back
[41:58] Speaker 3: to the ER, pronounced him dead at arrival, wrote on
[42:02] Speaker 3: his death certificate, died due to COVID.
[42:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's about right.
[42:11] Speaker 3: And this is not a friend of a friend of
[42:13] Speaker 3: a girl who I kind of knew's boyfriend's husband, whatever.
[42:16] Speaker 3: This is someone I know very personally whose husband died
[42:20] Speaker 3: of most likely a stroke or a heart attack and
[42:24] Speaker 3: on their death certificate was written COVID.
[42:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, that was happening across the board in many situations.
[42:33] Speaker 1: Any type of death was being ruled a COVID death.
[42:37] Speaker 1: And that was how they got the fear and all
[42:39] Speaker 1: the numbers to be inaccurate, and people believed it.
[42:43] Speaker 2: Did you get it, by the way?
[42:46] Speaker 4: I did.
[42:47] Speaker 1: I got it, and it was like a pretty bad
[42:50] Speaker 1: cold for two days. Although it was later in the game,
[42:54] Speaker 1: it was late last year, so whatever it was maybe
[42:59] Speaker 1: had a chance for it to become less strong. But
[43:02] Speaker 1: I did get something, and again, I don't know if–
[43:07] Speaker 1: this is really something that's contagious. I am neither germ
[43:11] Speaker 1: theory nor terrain theory. I consider both options, but I
[43:15] Speaker 1: think it's possibility that there could be something frequency based
[43:19] Speaker 1: with this as well.
[43:21] Speaker 3: Yeah. And I'm so glad you brought that up because
[43:23] Speaker 3: I actually have a lot to say on the terrain theory. Um,
[43:28] Speaker 3: I did get COVID. Uh, I have not been stabbed, jabbed, flabbed,
[43:33] Speaker 3: none of that shit. Um, I am a pure blood.
[43:37] Speaker 3: And so I did get COVID, but I was working
[43:40] Speaker 3: at the hospital at the time. I was working at
[43:44] Speaker 3: a really big hospital around here. I have since quit.
[43:46] Speaker 3: I do not work in the medical industry anymore, but
[43:50] Speaker 3: it was when COVID had just came out and they
[43:53] Speaker 3: were making us all get the flu shot because you
[43:57] Speaker 3: don't want the flu and COVID. And anyways, when you
[44:00] Speaker 3: work in the medical industry, it is mandatory that you
[44:03] Speaker 3: get the flu shot. So I had gotten it before,
[44:05] Speaker 3: whether I liked it or not, I had to provide
[44:08] Speaker 3: an income for my family. So I usually got the
[44:11] Speaker 3: flu shot. So I got the flu shot that year,
[44:14] Speaker 3: immediately got sick with COVID. I think it came from
[44:16] Speaker 3: the flu shot. That is my opinion. I had never
[44:20] Speaker 3: had anything like, I had never been so sick in
[44:22] Speaker 3: my life. They did the whole ramming the shit up
[44:25] Speaker 3: my nose thing. It felt like they scraped my fucking
[44:28] Speaker 3: eyeball doing the test. And they came back, oh, you definitely,
[44:34] Speaker 3: you got COVID real bad. I lost my smell and
[44:37] Speaker 3: taste for three months.
[44:40] Speaker 5: Whoa.
[44:41] Speaker 3: Tell me that's not chemically induced.
[44:44] Speaker 1: That is. Now, I could tell this was something different
[44:46] Speaker 1: than just a regular cold or flu because of the
[44:48] Speaker 1: way I felt. It was only two days, but the
[44:52] Speaker 1: chills were so deep, it felt like it was vibrating
[44:54] Speaker 1: from inside my bones. And the feeling was not natural,
[44:59] Speaker 1: not like the flu feeling is natural by any means,
[45:02] Speaker 1: but it was different than any cold or flu. Although
[45:06] Speaker 1: some of the symptoms were similar. Luckily, I didn't lose
[45:10] Speaker 1: my taste or smell, though.
[45:12] Speaker 3: Dude, I lost my taste and smell in October. So
[45:16] Speaker 3: I had to go through Thanksgiving, my birthday, Christmas and
[45:20] Speaker 3: New Year's with no taste or smell.
[45:22] Speaker 2: Oh, man, that's awful.
[45:24] Speaker 3: You want to talk about like suicidal? I was like,
[45:27] Speaker 3: I cried over an Arby's beef and cheddar, which, you know,
[45:31] Speaker 3: I'm not an advocate of fast food, but at the
[45:33] Speaker 3: time I just wanted anything. And I was so sick.
[45:38] Speaker 3: And my husband went through Arby's. He, he got me
[45:40] Speaker 3: a beef and cheddar sandwich and I was sitting there
[45:42] Speaker 3: at the kitchen table crying over it. I couldn't taste
[45:45] Speaker 3: dick hole. Like I literally could not taste anything for
[45:49] Speaker 3: three months. So I've never been so sick that that's
[45:52] Speaker 3: ever happened. I'm actually a relatively healthy person. I take
[45:56] Speaker 3: a shitload of supplements. Obviously, as a conspiracy theorist, I'm
[46:00] Speaker 3: big into supplements. But what I wanted to say about
[46:04] Speaker 3: the terrain theory is that I do think there is
[46:07] Speaker 3: some credence to that. I do think that when you
[46:11] Speaker 3: are around people, it can influence your vibration into becoming
[46:17] Speaker 3: sick as well. And I know that's true because... Perfect example.
[46:24] Speaker 3: I started a new job. Suddenly all the females at
[46:28] Speaker 3: my new job were syncing up to the same period.
[46:34] Speaker 3: And we knew this because we all wanted to kill
[46:37] Speaker 3: each other about once a month. And then we started
[46:40] Speaker 3: realizing that we were on the same cycle. So being
[46:45] Speaker 3: in another person's like a fishbowl. You're in the same
[46:50] Speaker 3: frequency of those other people. You don't have to like them,
[46:53] Speaker 3: but you work with them. You're there eight hours a
[46:56] Speaker 3: day with them, five days a week. You're home two
[46:59] Speaker 3: days at your personal leisure, but you're around them five days,
[47:04] Speaker 3: eight hours a day. You're home four hours at night
[47:08] Speaker 3: and eight hours with them. You think that they're not
[47:10] Speaker 3: going to rub off on you? You're fucking wrong. So...
[47:14] Speaker 3: Maybe it's not something that's being passed around the office. Oh,
[47:18] Speaker 3: Jenny got the flu and then Tracy and Debbie and
[47:21] Speaker 3: Michael got the flu. Maybe you're just all swimming in
[47:24] Speaker 3: the same fishbowl.
[47:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've considered that possibility that whatever people are experiencing
[47:33] Speaker 1: that they understand as being sick, having a cold or
[47:37] Speaker 1: flu is just your body's reaction to these negative either
[47:43] Speaker 1: parasites or toxins that are frequency based and it's your
[47:47] Speaker 1: body's way of attempting to clean itself out or get
[47:51] Speaker 1: rid of this stuff.
[47:52] Speaker 3: A toxic overload.
[47:54] Speaker 1: Yes it is just appears to be like a cold
[47:56] Speaker 1: or flu yes.
[47:58] Speaker 3: And i um damn i'm just gonna sound like a
[48:03] Speaker 3: a fucking invalid at this point but like At the
[48:06] Speaker 3: beginning of this year, in February, I was really, really, really,
[48:10] Speaker 3: really sick. And I went to the urgent care because
[48:12] Speaker 3: I thought I was going to actually fucking die or something.
[48:14] Speaker 2: Oh, man.
[48:15] Speaker 3: And they tested me for the flu and strep and
[48:18] Speaker 3: this and that. Like, my throat was so sore, I
[48:20] Speaker 3: was spitting in a cup. Because I couldn't swallow my
[48:23] Speaker 3: own saliva. Like, that's how bad my throat hurt. And
[48:26] Speaker 3: they didn't do anything for me, per usual. They said
[48:30] Speaker 3: that I had flu A and B. And that I
[48:34] Speaker 3: also probably maybe could have strep throat. So they said
[48:38] Speaker 3: it just needed to run its course. And, you know,
[48:42] Speaker 3: they charged my insurance a ton, did nothing for me.
[48:45] Speaker 3: And I went home and I was like, what the
[48:47] Speaker 3: fuck am I going to do? So I texted my
[48:49] Speaker 3: health girl, Kelly. She is all about holistic health care.
[48:55] Speaker 3: And she was so disappointed in me that I even
[48:58] Speaker 3: went to the urgent care because she was like, you
[49:00] Speaker 3: should have just called me. I would have told you
[49:02] Speaker 3: what was wrong with you. And she said, you're in
[49:04] Speaker 3: a toxic overload. Whatever you've been doing, you've triggered a
[49:08] Speaker 3: toxic overload. And she compared the human body to empty glass.
[49:14] Speaker 3: And when you start filling it with water, you fill
[49:17] Speaker 3: it up with water, fill it up, fill it up,
[49:18] Speaker 3: fill it up. You get to the rim and then
[49:21] Speaker 3: you keep filling it up. It overflows. And when your
[49:24] Speaker 3: body overflows with toxins, it's trying to purge them. So
[49:29] Speaker 3: you end up getting sick, whether it's the flu like
[49:33] Speaker 3: symptoms or whatever. That's just a toxic overload. So I
[49:37] Speaker 3: just started a straight up detox. I did a colon cleanse.
[49:41] Speaker 3: I did a liver flush. I did all this stuff.
[49:44] Speaker 3: I put those fucking foot patches on that suck all
[49:47] Speaker 3: the shit out of your feet and went outside, walked
[49:51] Speaker 3: around barefoot, sat in the sun. And what do you know?
[49:54] Speaker 3: Two days, I'm back wonderfully healthy again, back to work,
[49:59] Speaker 3: back to my normal routine. My throat cleared up, fever gone.
[50:02] Speaker 3: And it just goes to show you that the the
[50:09] Speaker 3: pretend school that they go to these doctors they don't
[50:14] Speaker 3: even know what the fuck is really going on with
[50:16] Speaker 3: the human body.
[50:18] Speaker 1: Yeah the medical and pharmaceutical industry is designed to keep
[50:22] Speaker 1: us perpetual customers always in a state of unhealthiness with
[50:28] Speaker 1: the illusion that what they're doing for us could even
[50:32] Speaker 1: possibly just mask the symptom which sometimes it does but
[50:35] Speaker 1: what it causes is is extreme problems in every other
[50:39] Speaker 1: aspect of your health. So it is all a trap
[50:43] Speaker 1: and it's all a nefarious agenda to keep us perpetually
[50:48] Speaker 1: going back to them.
[50:50] Speaker 3: Well, yeah. And it's also mental health as well, because
[50:54] Speaker 3: if they can get you addicted to a pharmaceutical, which
[50:58] Speaker 3: is all based on petrol, they're treating us like cars.
[51:02] Speaker 3: All pharmaceuticals are petrol based. And so when you're taking them,
[51:09] Speaker 3: they're reaping the benefits, obviously, financially, and you're getting addicted
[51:13] Speaker 3: to something. So you'll have to keep coming back, coming back,
[51:17] Speaker 3: coming back to get more. And I was talking to
[51:21] Speaker 3: someone that I work with recently. And she said, I
[51:25] Speaker 3: just don't feel the same when I don't have my
[51:30] Speaker 3: it was like one of those really old antidepressants like
[51:33] Speaker 3: Prozac or Wellbutrin or one of these weird ones. And
[51:37] Speaker 3: I said, really? And she said, yeah, like I just
[51:39] Speaker 3: feel too much when I don't take it. I'm like
[51:42] Speaker 3: sad and like irregular moody and this. And so she
[51:47] Speaker 3: wants to feel numb is what I heard. And she said,
[51:52] Speaker 3: the only thing that worries me about it is I've
[51:55] Speaker 3: kind of been looking into some of the, um, The
[52:00] Speaker 3: stuff that you've been talking about on your podcast. Because
[52:03] Speaker 3: I am an advocate of listen to my podcast and
[52:06] Speaker 3: wake the fuck up. And I had done a lot
[52:09] Speaker 3: on fluoride. And she said, I actually was kind of
[52:11] Speaker 3: looking into the fluoride thing. And you're right. It actually
[52:15] Speaker 3: decays your teeth. And it's actually really not good for you.
[52:19] Speaker 3: And she said, the number one active ingredient in the
[52:22] Speaker 3: Wellbutrin is fluoride. And so... I told her that back
[52:31] Speaker 3: in the day, it used to be a common practice
[52:34] Speaker 3: to physically lobotomize someone. To physically lobotomize them. They can't
[52:41] Speaker 3: do that anymore. That's a taboo, ancient, you know, caveman practice.
[52:47] Speaker 3: But what they can do is chemically lobotomize you. So
[52:53] Speaker 3: that's why when you take it, you feel numb, like
[52:56] Speaker 3: a zombie. You can't really think for yourself. You're not
[53:00] Speaker 3: very reactive or emotional because you're in a zombie-like state.
[53:04] Speaker 3: And then when you're stopping taking them, all those feelings
[53:08] Speaker 3: rush back in and your body's trying to regulate itself.
[53:11] Speaker 3: And you don't like that feeling because you haven't felt
[53:15] Speaker 3: for so long. It's an overwhelming amount of emotions. But
[53:20] Speaker 3: I think that any antidepressant, Xanax, whatever, It's got a
[53:26] Speaker 3: shit ton of fucking fluoride in it. And what they're
[53:29] Speaker 3: trying to do is literally chemically lobotomize you.
[53:35] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[53:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been an ongoing thing for a very
[53:38] Speaker 1: long time. The attempts to, like I was talking earlier,
[53:42] Speaker 1: just genetically and physically alter everything that we are. this
[53:47] Speaker 1: is also contributing to the depopulation aspect because it's all
[53:53] Speaker 1: these chemicals and pharmaceuticals have been sterilizing people. And now
[53:57] Speaker 1: you have the transhuman agenda on top of all that,
[54:01] Speaker 1: which is targeting people at the young age so that
[54:04] Speaker 1: eventually they will want to mutilate themselves to where it
[54:07] Speaker 1: would be impossible for them to have children either way.
[54:11] Speaker 3: So, but I think it's psychological as well because, um,
[54:15] Speaker 3: if you talk to some of these people, they really
[54:18] Speaker 3: genuinely feel like they're the opposite sex or whatever it is.
[54:25] Speaker 3: And actually I really wanted to get to the bottom
[54:30] Speaker 3: of it. So I, I talked to this person who's
[54:33] Speaker 3: conflicted about their gender and they are actually in their
[54:36] Speaker 3: forties and just now started feeling conflicted about their gender
[54:42] Speaker 3: because And it's someone, again, in my family. So as
[54:47] Speaker 3: a conspiracy theorist, I really wanted to get their mindset
[54:51] Speaker 3: behind that. And I think we have been bombarded at
[54:57] Speaker 3: an exceptional rate with hormones in our water and food
[55:04] Speaker 3: that actually make you feel like you are another gender
[55:10] Speaker 3: than what you are. So I don't think they're faking
[55:13] Speaker 3: it in any way.
[55:14] Speaker 1: Right.
[55:15] Speaker 3: I think it's an actual assault on what it means
[55:19] Speaker 3: to have your own hormones produced by your body. Because
[55:24] Speaker 3: I can't imagine waking up tomorrow and being like, oh,
[55:27] Speaker 3: I really wish I had a dick. I really wish
[55:31] Speaker 3: I could just cut my tits off and fucking like,
[55:34] Speaker 3: I really want to understand the mindset behind that. Or
[55:39] Speaker 3: if you're a man, you wake up and you feel like,
[55:41] Speaker 3: I really want to wear makeup and put a dress
[55:45] Speaker 3: on or whatever. And it's because they're drinking estrogen. They're
[55:51] Speaker 3: drinking things that endocrine disruptors, things that are disrupting their
[55:57] Speaker 3: thyroid is shut down. They're not producing their own hormones anymore.
[56:01] Speaker 1: I've long said that they are causing mental illness in
[56:06] Speaker 1: our modern society by these chemicals in the water by
[56:10] Speaker 1: the pharmaceuticals. But not only that, now they're trying to
[56:13] Speaker 1: normalize different aspects of mental illness by putting certain people
[56:18] Speaker 1: in positions of authority, celebrities, politics that are completely fucking nuts.
[56:24] Speaker 1: And they're saying, hey, look at how it's okay to
[56:27] Speaker 1: act these days. This is an example of the extreme
[56:31] Speaker 1: behavior you can display and be considered a contributing member
[56:36] Speaker 1: of society.
[56:38] Speaker 3: Dude, have you seen the amount of people on Facebook
[56:40] Speaker 3: who post about their mental illness and they get patted
[56:43] Speaker 3: on the back like they're a hero or something? It
[56:46] Speaker 3: makes me feel kind of weird about it because they'll
[56:49] Speaker 3: be like, I haven't cleaned my house in three months
[56:52] Speaker 3: and I'm really strong. I'm going through it, you know, dishes,
[56:55] Speaker 3: piling up laundry. And then you look at the comment section,
[56:58] Speaker 3: it's like, it's okay, girl. We've all been there. You're
[57:03] Speaker 3: a hero. Congrats. You're so brave to come out and
[57:08] Speaker 3: talk about this. And no one wants to address the
[57:12] Speaker 3: issue that this person has probably been bombarded with chemicals
[57:16] Speaker 3: that have shut their thyroid down, that have probably chemically
[57:20] Speaker 3: lobotomized this person, that they don't have the capacity to
[57:24] Speaker 3: feel emotions anymore. Nobody wants to talk about that, the
[57:28] Speaker 3: root cause of what's causing mental illness, quote unquote. They
[57:32] Speaker 3: just want to talk about what a hero you are
[57:34] Speaker 3: for saying that you have it. That's a problem. That
[57:39] Speaker 3: is a problem.
[57:41] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
[57:42] Speaker 2: Now, we've got a few minutes left.
[57:43] Speaker 1: I want to go back to the propaganda and Hollywood
[57:46] Speaker 1: aspect a bit. You mentioned inverted Hollywood, and I believe
[57:51] Speaker 1: I completely understand what you mean by that. I want
[57:54] Speaker 1: to get into that a little bit. But what's happened
[57:56] Speaker 1: lately with Hollywood, with what we're seeing on Netflix and
[58:00] Speaker 1: these streaming platforms, it seems like there are people in
[58:04] Speaker 1: droves that are checking out from– this type of entertainment
[58:10] Speaker 1: that are not interested anymore because of the extreme propaganda.
[58:13] Speaker 1: I mean, hell, Hollywood's not even trying to make money anymore.
[58:16] Speaker 1: They're not, of course, trying to make it about entertainment.
[58:19] Speaker 1: It's all about agendas and propaganda that they're trying to perpetuate.
[58:25] Speaker 1: And they have all the big production companies and celebrities
[58:29] Speaker 1: on board with the propaganda wagon. But People aren't having
[58:33] Speaker 1: it anymore. They don't want to see this. And now
[58:36] Speaker 1: on top of that, they're trying to replace actors with
[58:39] Speaker 1: AI and script writing with AI. So this is a
[58:44] Speaker 1: very interesting time we're seeing where people are becoming no
[58:48] Speaker 1: longer interested in the main source of propaganda that they
[58:52] Speaker 1: would ingest on a daily basis, which will definitely cause
[58:56] Speaker 1: problems for the establishment.
[58:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to change it to TikTok, I'm sure.
[59:01] Speaker 3: Because that's the only way to get to people nowadays.
[59:03] Speaker 3: But if you watch Ready Player One, I think that's
[59:06] Speaker 3: kind of where we're headed, where everyone kind of lives
[59:09] Speaker 3: in this weird, virtual reality where you're actually living in
[59:12] Speaker 3: the stacks in a fucking apartment with rats and roaches,
[59:16] Speaker 3: but you just put your VR headset on and you're
[59:18] Speaker 3: in another world and you can create your own avatar
[59:22] Speaker 3: and all this. I think that's more like what they
[59:25] Speaker 3: would want to happen is a ready player one situation.
[59:29] Speaker 3: But what's actually happening is people aren't interested in Hollywood anymore.
[59:34] Speaker 3: And there's even a more convoluted aspect to inverted Hollywood
[59:38] Speaker 3: where celebrities that we have grown up thinking are biological
[59:44] Speaker 3: males and biological females, we're actually finding out are probably
[59:48] Speaker 3: dudes and probably chicks.
[59:50] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[59:51] Speaker 3: And so I've been doing a lot of research and
[59:54] Speaker 3: I'm not saying this out of hatred. I'm doing this
[59:57] Speaker 3: as a journalist, a researcher, what have you. If you
[1:00:00] Speaker 3: look at the skeletal structure in any skeleton that you
[1:00:05] Speaker 3: dig up in mummies, ancient Egypt, whatever, they can tell
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: the difference between a female and a male based on
[1:00:13] Speaker 3: bone structure, pelvis, etc., So what people have started doing
[1:00:18] Speaker 3: is taking some of these Hollywood celebrities that we know
[1:00:21] Speaker 3: and love and analyzing their bone structure. And what's coming
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: out is that most of these super hot chicks that, oh,
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: my God, Jennifer Aniston, Angelina Jolie, XYZ. They actually have
[1:00:37] Speaker 3: male bone structure. Whether you want to believe that or not,
[1:00:40] Speaker 3: it's up to you. The researchers are coming out with
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: this and saying, if this person had no flesh on
[1:00:46] Speaker 3: their bones whatsoever, and I analyze their skeleton, I'm telling
[1:00:50] Speaker 3: you that's a biological male. And a lot of the
[1:00:53] Speaker 3: men are actually biological females. And one that everybody likes
[1:00:58] Speaker 3: to bring up is Michelle Obama.
[1:01:02] Speaker 5: Right?
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: Everyone likes to bring that one up.
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: But what they also- I saw that Ellen appearance, man.
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: That was something swinging down there.
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: You're right. But there's also Cher, you know, Sonny and Cher.
[1:01:15] Speaker 3: There's a lot of interesting video clips of her before
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: and after. And her child is now transgender. And there's
[1:01:26] Speaker 3: a lot of people who have looked at OJ's wife,
[1:01:31] Speaker 3: forgetting her name, Nicole Brown Simpson.
[1:01:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.
[1:01:34] Speaker 3: So she actually has the skeletal structure of a biological male.
[1:01:41] Speaker 3: And you say, oh, but they have kids together. Don't
[1:01:46] Speaker 3: get me started on the kids because there's a lot
[1:01:48] Speaker 3: of shit going around about surrogates and actually growing children.
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: Why do these kids look more like the handlers than
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: the parents kind of situations? So it doesn't matter that
[1:02:04] Speaker 3: you saw them pregnant or that looked like they had
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: a bump. They've been using bumps in Hollywood movies forever long.
[1:02:11] Speaker 3: They can make someone look pregnant. That's like a sleight
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: of hand trick. But what I will tell you is
[1:02:19] Speaker 3: when you go down that rabbit hole, you would be
[1:02:21] Speaker 3: surprised some of the names that they bring up. That
[1:02:25] Speaker 3: you would say there's no way that's a dude. There's
[1:02:29] Speaker 3: no freaking way that's a dude. And researchers and scientists
[1:02:34] Speaker 3: will tell you biologically from their bone structure, it's probably
[1:02:38] Speaker 3: a guy. And I think it's to make the mind
[1:02:45] Speaker 3: become attracted to the opposite sex. And then we wonder
[1:02:49] Speaker 3: why there's such a thing about homosexuality, transgender, whatever, why
[1:02:53] Speaker 3: it's on the rise, pride movement, yada, yada, yada. And
[1:02:57] Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's wrong, right, black, white, whatever. I'm
[1:03:00] Speaker 3: just saying it's on the rise. And I'm saying that
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: they would love to program a, let's say you, for example,
[1:03:09] Speaker 3: watch a movie and you become attracted to biological men.
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: And you don't actually consciously know that you're becoming attracted
[1:03:18] Speaker 3: to biological men. I don't consciously know that I'm becoming
[1:03:22] Speaker 3: attracted to biological females. But then you start questioning, maybe
[1:03:26] Speaker 3: I'm gay. Maybe I'm this. Maybe I'm that. It's because
[1:03:30] Speaker 3: you've been programmed to see a certain bone structure and
[1:03:34] Speaker 3: become attracted.
[1:03:36] Speaker 1: Do you think that there is an overall occult aspect
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: to some of these agendas, mainly transhuman agenda? I've heard
[1:03:44] Speaker 1: The possibility that what these globalists and elitists want is
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: to eventually be able to create the perfect androgynous sexless
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: human that they believe we once were in this other
[1:03:59] Speaker 1: realm or a different time that we need to get
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: back to this perfect being of neither male nor female.
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: And that's part of what is being ruled out. What
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: do you think about that?
[1:04:12] Speaker 3: You nailed it. You nailed it. That's exactly what the
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: point is. And I think that people get so offended
[1:04:18] Speaker 3: when they hear me talking about that stuff. Like, oh,
[1:04:21] Speaker 3: you hate gay people or whatever. I'm not talking about that.
[1:04:24] Speaker 3: I'm talking about the dark occult. I'm talking about inversion.
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: And the dark occult works on perversion inversion. And this
[1:04:37] Speaker 3: is ritualistic in nature. And it has nothing to do
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: about hating a certain demographic of people. I'm talking about
[1:04:45] Speaker 3: something that's way beyond that. I'm talking about something that's
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: actually ritualistic. And what the end goal is, is probably
[1:04:53] Speaker 3: everyone looking like a Barbie with kind of ambiguous genitalia.
[1:04:58] Speaker 3: And you're not really either or sex. I really think
[1:05:02] Speaker 3: that could be part of the plan.
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, we live in incredible times right now. I do
[1:05:08] Speaker 1: have hope because I see so many people waking up
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: to this, questioning the narrative more and more every day.
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: More people are coming to our side of history. But
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: do you have hope? Do you have hope that we
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: could possibly skew the timeline that we're on?
[1:05:25] Speaker 3: I am not blackpilled in any means, but what I
[1:05:30] Speaker 3: will say is, Leaning towards Christianity, I think that we
[1:05:35] Speaker 3: will reach an apocalyptic level in our society. I think
[1:05:39] Speaker 3: that we are racing towards end of times, quote unquote.
[1:05:43] Speaker 3: I think that all of this has to happen in
[1:05:46] Speaker 3: order to bring about revelation or whatever you want to
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: call it. I think that there will not only be
[1:05:51] Speaker 3: a physical face-off, but a spiritual one as well. And
[1:05:56] Speaker 3: good and bad are racing towards the same finish line.
[1:05:59] Speaker 3: And the bad, if you will, are trying to take
[1:06:03] Speaker 3: as many down with them as possible because misery loves company.
[1:06:08] Speaker 3: And the more that they can corrupt, the more that
[1:06:11] Speaker 3: they feel like they've done their job.
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: Julia, this was awesome. We're definitely going to have to
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: do this again. There's so much more we can discuss,
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: but before you go, let the audience know where to
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: find all your content.
[1:06:26] Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Yes. So I'm Julia again. I
[1:06:30] Speaker 3: host the cosmic peach podcast and I'm available wherever you
[1:06:35] Speaker 3: listen to podcasts. I also have a patron for more
[1:06:38] Speaker 3: exclusive content, um, I'm on YouTube and Instagram at cosmic.peach.podcast.
[1:06:46] Speaker 3: And thank you so much.
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: Yes, this was great. We'll definitely have to do it again.
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll
[1:06:54] Speaker 1: talk again tomorrow.
[1:06:56] Speaker 2: See y'all then.
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: Today I want to welcome back to the show John Russell.
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: He has been a professional psychic for 50 years, internationally known,
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: He has provided psychic readings for clients in over 40
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: countries and still reads full-time.
[1:07:15] Speaker 2: For a worldwide clientele.
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: He has been a paranormal researcher and investigator since the
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: age of 11 and has experienced over a thousand paranormal manifestations.
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: In addition, he is a UFO experiencer and he is
[1:07:31] Speaker 1: also a published author of non-fiction with two multi-award winning
[1:07:36] Speaker 1: books in print. john welcome back how you.
[1:07:40] Speaker 5: Doing chris i'm doing great i really appreciate you having
[1:07:43] Speaker 5: me back again it's always good to talk with you
[1:07:46] Speaker 5: and we're gonna have a good time today we got
[1:07:48] Speaker 5: a lot of ground to.
[1:07:48] Speaker 1: Cover yes sir we do it's been a while since
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: you've been on and this is going to be great
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: always have a great conversation and you have a new
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: book 20 ways to increase your psychic abilities And you're
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: working on another book to be released next year. So
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: you've been a busy guy looking forward to discussing the
[1:08:09] Speaker 1: new book and as getting your insights into different aspects
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: of not only psychic abilities, but the connection to what
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: we understand as.
[1:08:18] Speaker 2: Paranormal and the spirit realms as well.
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: But like you said, we've got a lot to get
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: into before we do, since it's been so long, just
[1:08:26] Speaker 1: remind the audience a little bit about yourself and what
[1:08:30] Speaker 1: brought you to write the new book.
[1:08:35] Speaker 5: Well, I've been a professional psychic for 50 years now,
[1:08:38] Speaker 5: as incredible as that seems to say. And I've been
[1:08:42] Speaker 5: a paranormal investigator and researcher since age 11. I've always
[1:08:48] Speaker 5: desired to communicate. I've always desired to be a storyteller.
[1:08:51] Speaker 5: And when I wrote the first two books, they were
[1:08:53] Speaker 5: met with a lot of good reviews, a lot of
[1:08:58] Speaker 5: good feelings, and a lot of good feedback. And this
[1:09:02] Speaker 5: particular book, the third book, 20 Ways to Increase Your
[1:09:05] Speaker 5: Psychic Abilities, what really inspired me to write that was
[1:09:11] Speaker 5: over the years, my clients have always asked me, you know,
[1:09:14] Speaker 5: how can I get better?
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: At this?
[1:09:17] Speaker 5: How can I tune up my psychic abilities and make
[1:09:19] Speaker 5: them as good as they can be? And there's a
[1:09:23] Speaker 5: lot of things out there. There's a lot of things
[1:09:25] Speaker 5: written about developing psychic powers, but so many of them
[1:09:30] Speaker 5: are overly complex, overly complicated. You know, you got to
[1:09:35] Speaker 5: cut a willow branch on the third full moon of
[1:09:38] Speaker 5: the year at midnight and wear purple and blah, blah, blah,
[1:09:41] Speaker 5: in order to make things work, that type of thing.
[1:09:44] Speaker 5: And so over the years, the other side has taught
[1:09:49] Speaker 5: me how to do a lot of things, how to
[1:09:52] Speaker 5: do psychometry successfully, how to do candle magic successfully, several
[1:09:57] Speaker 5: other things. And so I thought, you know, it would
[1:10:01] Speaker 5: be great if I could take and put all these
[1:10:03] Speaker 5: techniques in a book for my clients and for all
[1:10:08] Speaker 5: my readers. And I wanted to do it 20 techniques.
[1:10:11] Speaker 5: I didn't want to make it overly long, but I
[1:10:13] Speaker 5: wanted to make it. full enough that you can say, okay,
[1:10:16] Speaker 5: there's a lot here for me to pick and choose from,
[1:10:18] Speaker 5: a lot to learn, a lot to experience. I wanted
[1:10:21] Speaker 5: to write the book in such a way, like I say,
[1:10:23] Speaker 5: that it simplified everything. I've stripped away all the dogma
[1:10:28] Speaker 5: and the tradition, the ritual and the nonsense from learning
[1:10:33] Speaker 5: psychic tools and techniques and abilities and just said, look,
[1:10:38] Speaker 5: here it is. If you want to learn it, this
[1:10:40] Speaker 5: is plain and simple how to do it. We're going
[1:10:41] Speaker 5: to make it quick, fast and easy. And if you
[1:10:45] Speaker 5: do this and practice it and you're diligent with it,
[1:10:48] Speaker 5: you'll learn it. You'll be able to practice it successfully.
[1:10:51] Speaker 5: And so I went on from there. And, uh, also
[1:10:55] Speaker 5: it was kind of an homage to a book that
[1:10:58] Speaker 5: I had read years and years and years ago. And, uh,
[1:11:01] Speaker 5: I mentioned the author in, in the preface to the
[1:11:05] Speaker 5: book and, and, uh, his name was David St. Claire
[1:11:08] Speaker 5: and he wrote a book on developing psychic abilities. And, uh,
[1:11:12] Speaker 5: made it very simple, stripped away all the mysticism around it.
[1:11:16] Speaker 5: And I was like, you know, we need another book
[1:11:17] Speaker 5: like that. We need something else like that out there now.
[1:11:21] Speaker 5: And so that was my motivation in writing that. And
[1:11:24] Speaker 5: I think it's going to be met with open arms.
[1:11:28] Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are really looking forward
[1:11:30] Speaker 5: to it. And I've taught people sometimes on the air
[1:11:33] Speaker 5: over the years on podcasts and things, some of the
[1:11:35] Speaker 5: techniques that I write about in the book. and people
[1:11:39] Speaker 5: have been able to use it with great success, and
[1:11:43] Speaker 5: they really enjoyed it. So that was what brought that
[1:11:46] Speaker 5: book about. And then the next book now, this will
[1:11:50] Speaker 5: be my fourth book, and I'm over halfway through with
[1:11:53] Speaker 5: it already. It'll come out next year, 2024. And it's
[1:11:56] Speaker 5: going to be kind of a combination of writing with
[1:11:59] Speaker 5: Ghost Angels and the Spirits of the Dead and A
[1:12:01] Speaker 5: Knock in the Attic. It jumps around a lot. It's
[1:12:04] Speaker 5: like I'm writing this book like, People talk when they
[1:12:09] Speaker 5: have conversations because you may be discussing something current and
[1:12:13] Speaker 5: then you may, oh, that reminds me of the time when,
[1:12:16] Speaker 5: and you may jump back several years in your life
[1:12:19] Speaker 5: and so on and so forth. So I'm writing it
[1:12:22] Speaker 5: that way. I write about current things. I revisit some
[1:12:25] Speaker 5: of the old things that I wrote about in previous books,
[1:12:28] Speaker 5: but update them because new things have happened along with that.
[1:12:32] Speaker 5: I go back to my childhood and write about some
[1:12:36] Speaker 5: experiences that I've never written about before, never published before.
[1:12:41] Speaker 5: And so it's going to be an exciting book as well.
[1:12:44] Speaker 5: I think people are going to have a good time
[1:12:46] Speaker 5: with that.
[1:12:47] Speaker 2: Excellent.
[1:12:48] Speaker 1: Now let's talk about some of the modalities that you utilize.
[1:12:53] Speaker 1: You have been aware of some of these abilities for
[1:12:56] Speaker 1: a very long time, since a very young age. And
[1:12:59] Speaker 1: many people who are aware of these abilities, they hone
[1:13:03] Speaker 1: in and focus on certain things, maybe clairvoyance, clairsentience, clairaudience,
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: but you have a multitude of different modalities that you
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: have been aware of and utilizing for a while.
[1:13:17] Speaker 2: Is that right?
[1:13:19] Speaker 5: Yeah. I've never limited myself, Chris. When I started out
[1:13:23] Speaker 5: on this journey, it was like, you know, some people
[1:13:26] Speaker 5: were like, okay, I'm a medium. And other people were like, well,
[1:13:30] Speaker 5: I'm a tarot card reader. And other people were like, well,
[1:13:32] Speaker 5: I'm a dowser. And I was like, you know, where's
[1:13:35] Speaker 5: the dividing line that says that you can't do all
[1:13:37] Speaker 5: of that? And so I never put any limits on myself.
[1:13:40] Speaker 5: I said, okay, I'm going to study everything and I'm
[1:13:43] Speaker 5: going to see what I can apply to my life.
[1:13:45] Speaker 5: I'm going to see what I can get good at.
[1:13:47] Speaker 5: I'm going to see what I can utilize. And one
[1:13:50] Speaker 5: of the side effects of doing that was it gave
[1:13:52] Speaker 5: me a tremendous breadth of knowledge that enabled me to
[1:13:58] Speaker 5: teach people and to help people, to help people understand things.
[1:14:02] Speaker 5: And to understand that they didn't have to limit themselves
[1:14:05] Speaker 5: to just one particular tool or technique in the psychic realm,
[1:14:09] Speaker 5: paranormal realm, that there's a lot of spiritual tools and
[1:14:12] Speaker 5: techniques and you can pick and choose from them. You
[1:14:15] Speaker 5: can combine a lot of them. You can study as
[1:14:17] Speaker 5: many of them as you want to. Logically, you're going
[1:14:20] Speaker 5: to be better at some things than you are others.
[1:14:22] Speaker 5: But there's no reason to limit yourself. And I never
[1:14:25] Speaker 5: limited myself. People say, you know, well, what are you?
[1:14:29] Speaker 5: Are you this? Are you that or the other? I
[1:14:31] Speaker 5: use psychic as the umbrella term, and within that, you know,
[1:14:35] Speaker 5: I'm a medium. I'm a tarot card reader. I've successfully scry,
[1:14:39] Speaker 5: used crystal balls. You know, I've used the Ouija board.
[1:14:43] Speaker 5: I've used dowsing rods. I've used pendulums, spirit photography, everything.
[1:14:48] Speaker 5: So that's given me a greater and a wider education
[1:14:54] Speaker 5: and a greater ability to serve my clients, to help
[1:14:56] Speaker 5: my clients, and to help me to instruct others to
[1:14:59] Speaker 5: really speak to others' needs.
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: Now, interestingly enough, my show yesterday was with the former
[1:15:09] Speaker 1: SRI remote viewer, Russell Targ, and we were discussing how
[1:15:14] Speaker 1: to hone in on some of those abilities. Now, this
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: is something that you have done as well, is that right?
[1:15:21] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
[1:15:22] Speaker 5: Remote viewer? Yeah, absolutely.
[1:15:26] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:15:26] Speaker 5: And we used to call it, you know, clairsentience. You know,
[1:15:29] Speaker 5: clear no anger.
[1:15:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:15:30] Speaker 4: Clairvoyance we're seeing and that was the terminology back when
[1:15:37] Speaker 4: and then it became remote viewing and you know it's
[1:15:41] Speaker 4: it's funny to me that we always change terminology we
[1:15:44] Speaker 4: always try and update it and make it flashier or
[1:15:48] Speaker 4: you know more appealing or whatever.
[1:15:50] Speaker 5: But if you go way back in the annals of
[1:15:54] Speaker 5: spiritualist spirit mediums and psychics and look way back they
[1:15:58] Speaker 5: have all exercised all of these abilities that we're acting
[1:16:02] Speaker 5: like are brand new and they're not, you know, it's
[1:16:05] Speaker 5: like when channeling became the big buzzword, channeling is just
[1:16:11] Speaker 5: what spirit mediums have always done, which is communicating with
[1:16:14] Speaker 5: the other side and channeling spirits, channeling information from the
[1:16:17] Speaker 5: other side. So there's nothing really new there. And of course,
[1:16:20] Speaker 5: remote viewing, like I say, that's clairvoyance is remote viewing,
[1:16:23] Speaker 5: nothing really new there. But I get tickled that it
[1:16:28] Speaker 5: seems like people have to put, a catchier label on
[1:16:33] Speaker 5: things or something that sounds a little more scientific or respectable.
[1:16:37] Speaker 5: And I think a lot of times science in particular,
[1:16:40] Speaker 5: researchers try and lift the paranormal out of the past
[1:16:44] Speaker 5: associations and say, okay, you know, this guy can sit
[1:16:49] Speaker 5: in a darkened room with a candle and a crystal
[1:16:51] Speaker 5: ball and get all this information from the ether. But,
[1:16:56] Speaker 5: let's do the same thing, but let's put it in
[1:16:58] Speaker 5: the laboratory and let's call it by a different name.
[1:17:00] Speaker 5: So people don't think we're kooks. So I think a
[1:17:04] Speaker 5: lot of times that's what happens and it's, but it's
[1:17:07] Speaker 5: basically the same thing. But yeah, I've got to go
[1:17:10] Speaker 5: listen to that interview you did with, with Targ. I
[1:17:13] Speaker 5: have a very good friend I've met. He had heard
[1:17:16] Speaker 5: me on one of my coast to coast AM appearances
[1:17:20] Speaker 5: and he emailed me and we subsequently became friends. And
[1:17:23] Speaker 5: he didn't work at Stanford Research Institute at SRI, but
[1:17:26] Speaker 5: he was at Stanford when they developed SRI. And he
[1:17:31] Speaker 5: knew like Targ and Puthoff and Geller and all those
[1:17:35] Speaker 5: people out there and got to see some of the
[1:17:38] Speaker 5: things that they were doing. And it was very interesting
[1:17:42] Speaker 5: to talk to him.
[1:17:43] Speaker 1: Some of the stories that he gave about the abilities
[1:17:49] Speaker 1: that some of the people like Uri Geller had had
[1:17:52] Speaker 1: displayed were absolutely incredible. And it's hard to believe that
[1:17:58] Speaker 1: what the CIA and government learned isn't still being implemented
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: in some programs in some way, but that's a completely
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: different show.
[1:18:07] Speaker 2: Now, I want to.
[1:18:08] Speaker 1: Break down some of the modalities that you not only utilize,
[1:18:12] Speaker 1: but you also teach about a little bit in this book.
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: First of all, you said channeling. Is there a difference between...
[1:18:21] Speaker 1: channeling and a spirit walk-in or letting some spirit take
[1:18:27] Speaker 1: over a part of your consciousness? Or is this one
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: and the same?
[1:18:33] Speaker 5: It's basically kind of one and the same. You know,
[1:18:36] Speaker 5: it goes back to the days of automatic writing or
[1:18:39] Speaker 5: even the use of the Ouija board, things like that.
[1:18:41] Speaker 5: You're asking a higher power, another spirit, another intelligence, another being,
[1:18:47] Speaker 5: another entity to exercise power control over a part of
[1:18:51] Speaker 5: your body or to utilize your body for communication so
[1:18:55] Speaker 5: it's basically the same kind of thing that's been around
[1:18:57] Speaker 5: you know forever in the day it's like what the
[1:19:00] Speaker 5: uh the spiritualists used to do the spirit mediums used
[1:19:03] Speaker 5: to practice and then you know that along came automatic
[1:19:06] Speaker 5: writing the ouija board so on and so forth but
[1:19:08] Speaker 5: It's all basically the same idea, and that's that you're
[1:19:12] Speaker 5: calling upon a different being outside of yourself. You're calling
[1:19:16] Speaker 5: upon a higher power. You're calling upon some other entity
[1:19:19] Speaker 5: to either process that information directly through you, and then
[1:19:23] Speaker 5: you speak that information, or to utilize your hands, your
[1:19:28] Speaker 5: arms to write something or to move the planchette on
[1:19:30] Speaker 5: the Ouija board. It's all been around the same way
[1:19:33] Speaker 5: for a long time.
[1:19:36] Speaker 1: Do you have methods on how to identify the intent
[1:19:41] Speaker 1: of the spirit you're communicating with? I've heard some say
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: that there can be trickster-like spirits or entities that try
[1:19:52] Speaker 1: to deceive us in a certain way to get a
[1:19:55] Speaker 1: certain information through or just because they think it's fun
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: in a certain way. Is that the case? And if so,
[1:20:02] Speaker 1: how do you decipher through that?
[1:20:06] Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think one thing that you can
[1:20:09] Speaker 5: do when you're approaching the other side using any spiritual
[1:20:13] Speaker 5: tool or technique is don't be frivolous. Take seriously what
[1:20:19] Speaker 5: you're doing. Don't be disrespectful because these energies on the
[1:20:25] Speaker 5: other side are extremely powerful, way more knowledgeable than we
[1:20:29] Speaker 5: are in a lot of cases, and can exercise a
[1:20:32] Speaker 5: lot more energy than we can. So respect goes a long,
[1:20:36] Speaker 5: long way when you approach the other side and when
[1:20:39] Speaker 5: you're trying to obtain some information. Again, don't be frivolous.
[1:20:44] Speaker 5: Don't be silly. Don't be goofy. You know, people sit
[1:20:48] Speaker 5: down and they go, well, I'm going to use a
[1:20:51] Speaker 5: Ouija board. And then they start laughing and giggling. Oh, God,
[1:20:54] Speaker 5: my uncle did this and something haunted his house and
[1:20:58] Speaker 5: did all that. And you get goofy. You get silly.
[1:21:00] Speaker 5: You drag out all these myths and things. And then
[1:21:03] Speaker 5: that taints the session and it taints the energies that
[1:21:06] Speaker 5: come through and taints what you're doing. And so the
[1:21:09] Speaker 5: key to all of it is respect. The key to
[1:21:12] Speaker 5: it is a serious attitude and experience. You have to
[1:21:17] Speaker 5: work at something long enough, like, you know, my entire life,
[1:21:21] Speaker 5: my whole life, I have studied, I have read, I
[1:21:24] Speaker 5: have practiced, I have experienced, and I still continue to
[1:21:28] Speaker 5: do so, even though I've read professionally for over 50 years.
[1:21:31] Speaker 5: And it's something that you don't just sit down and
[1:21:34] Speaker 5: immediately do. A lot of people do get quick results
[1:21:37] Speaker 5: and good results, uh, pretty quickly, but it's something that
[1:21:41] Speaker 5: if you're going to get serious about it, and if
[1:21:43] Speaker 5: you're really trying to connect with beings on the other
[1:21:46] Speaker 5: side that have a higher intelligence can see a little
[1:21:49] Speaker 5: further down the road than we can, can maybe help
[1:21:51] Speaker 5: you out with some information that you need or whatever,
[1:21:54] Speaker 5: then it takes dedication and it takes practice and it
[1:21:58] Speaker 5: takes working at it. And you have, um, You know,
[1:22:02] Speaker 5: there are things that happen to people just kind of
[1:22:05] Speaker 5: out of the blue. One example I can give you
[1:22:10] Speaker 5: from the book, the latest book, talking about dreams. There
[1:22:15] Speaker 5: was a friend of mine that at one point in
[1:22:17] Speaker 5: his life worked for the NSA, the National Security Agency,
[1:22:22] Speaker 5: and he was a codebreaker for the NSA. And he
[1:22:26] Speaker 5: was telling me that he had run across this code
[1:22:31] Speaker 5: And could not break it. And everything that they had,
[1:22:35] Speaker 5: they threw at this thing. And he tried everything he knew.
[1:22:38] Speaker 5: And it was just driving him to the point of distraction.
[1:22:41] Speaker 5: And he said, John, he said, I came home. And
[1:22:43] Speaker 5: he said, I was so exhausted one day from working
[1:22:47] Speaker 5: on this thing constantly and trying to break it. I
[1:22:51] Speaker 5: was so exhausted that I came home and didn't even
[1:22:54] Speaker 5: take my suit off, didn't even loosen my tie, didn't
[1:22:57] Speaker 5: even take my shoes off. I just fell into my bed.
[1:23:01] Speaker 5: I was just so exhausted. And he said, I immediately
[1:23:04] Speaker 5: went to sleep. And he said, I began to dream.
[1:23:07] Speaker 5: And I was aware that I was dreaming, which is
[1:23:09] Speaker 5: lucid dreaming. And he said, I saw this like a
[1:23:13] Speaker 5: ticker tape, a Times Square ticker tape. And here come
[1:23:17] Speaker 5: the characters in this code. And he said, in my dream,
[1:23:21] Speaker 5: I thought to myself, oh, my God, I can't even
[1:23:23] Speaker 5: escape this thing in my dream now. This is going
[1:23:25] Speaker 5: to make me crazy. It's going to drive me nuts.
[1:23:28] Speaker 5: And he said, then another ticker tape appeared right below it.
[1:23:32] Speaker 5: And he said, the characters in Clear begin to appear
[1:23:36] Speaker 5: on that. And I woke up and remembered enough of
[1:23:40] Speaker 5: it that I wrote it down and rushed to the office.
[1:23:43] Speaker 5: And sure enough, that was the key. And I wrote
[1:23:46] Speaker 5: the code. So, you know, sometimes these things come to
[1:23:51] Speaker 5: us unbidden, unexpected, out of the blue. But that's usually
[1:23:56] Speaker 5: to get our attention and say, hey, there's a greater
[1:23:58] Speaker 5: reality here. Begin to work with this. and see what
[1:24:02] Speaker 5: you can use and accomplish this, you know, accomplish with this.
[1:24:05] Speaker 5: And so it's something that we all have the potential
[1:24:08] Speaker 5: for to a degree or another. And sometimes it happens
[1:24:11] Speaker 5: to us accidentally and we think, oh, well, that was
[1:24:13] Speaker 5: a one off, you know, what a lucky break. But
[1:24:17] Speaker 5: what the other side is trying to convey to us is, hey,
[1:24:20] Speaker 5: this is something that you can study and that you
[1:24:22] Speaker 5: can practice and that you can learn, you can connect
[1:24:24] Speaker 5: with and continue to use in your life to your benefit.
[1:24:27] Speaker 5: But people think, OK, it's going to be real easy.
[1:24:30] Speaker 5: It's going to be real simple. And it is and
[1:24:33] Speaker 5: it isn't. Like, you know, talking about the techniques in
[1:24:36] Speaker 5: the book, I can teach you how to do those.
[1:24:38] Speaker 5: You don't have to have any knowledge. I lead you
[1:24:40] Speaker 5: by the hand, teach you step by step what to
[1:24:43] Speaker 5: do and how to do it. But it's up to
[1:24:46] Speaker 5: you to continue to do it and to continue to
[1:24:48] Speaker 5: practice and to continue to get better. And that's the thing.
[1:24:52] Speaker 5: So we have to work at it.
[1:24:55] Speaker 1: Now, while we're in the realms of spirit communication and
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: paranormal activity and interactions. I've had just recently a paranormal
[1:25:06] Speaker 1: investigator that was discussing our misunderstanding of some of the
[1:25:11] Speaker 1: entities that we are interacting with when people are claiming
[1:25:15] Speaker 1: their house is haunted or they have a poltergeist. He
[1:25:18] Speaker 1: believes that it's our energy that is causing most of
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: the negativity associated with it. Something like we're creating thought
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: forms that are then causing whatever activity to appear more
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: malevolent than it really is.
[1:25:34] Speaker 2: Would you agree with that?
[1:25:38] Speaker 5: I think that could be an aspect of it, yeah.
[1:25:41] Speaker 5: Our thoughts, our energies, what we project into the atmosphere
[1:25:47] Speaker 5: absolutely affects things. And a really good example of that is,
[1:25:54] Speaker 5: let's say you're sitting in a nice little neighborhood bar.
[1:25:57] Speaker 5: And everybody's happy and everybody's having a few drinks and
[1:26:00] Speaker 5: you're discussing the sports scores. And everything's fine. The bar
[1:26:08] Speaker 5: has a good atmosphere. Maybe the jukebox is playing a
[1:26:11] Speaker 5: song that everybody likes. And all of a sudden, the
[1:26:14] Speaker 5: neighborhood bully walks in, the tough guy, the guy that
[1:26:18] Speaker 5: loves to fight. And you can tell he's spoiling for
[1:26:21] Speaker 5: a fight that night. Instantly, the energy in the room changes.
[1:26:26] Speaker 5: instantly everybody's attitude and demeanor changes and people are going
[1:26:30] Speaker 5: to go, okay, I'm, I'm, I'm out of here. I'm
[1:26:32] Speaker 5: finishing my drink. I'm leaving because I know this guy's
[1:26:35] Speaker 5: going to launch off. I know he's going to start
[1:26:37] Speaker 5: a fight. I know something bad's going to happen. So
[1:26:40] Speaker 5: that's kind of an example of the way that our energies,
[1:26:44] Speaker 5: you know, can project into the atmosphere, can change a room,
[1:26:46] Speaker 5: can change the environment, can change the perceptions and the
[1:26:50] Speaker 5: energies that are there. So that's absolutely possible. Yeah. Um,
[1:26:55] Speaker 5: As far as that affecting or interacting with other beings
[1:27:00] Speaker 5: and entities and intelligences, absolutely it can because if a
[1:27:06] Speaker 5: being is coming through to you to communicate in a
[1:27:08] Speaker 5: serious manner in a respectful way and you're disrespectful or
[1:27:13] Speaker 5: you're silly or you're negative or you're angry or you're challenging, confrontational, whatever,
[1:27:19] Speaker 5: absolutely that's going to affect the way that that entity
[1:27:22] Speaker 5: interacts with you. And it's, it's something that I think
[1:27:30] Speaker 5: as well, we've talked about this before, but it's worth
[1:27:33] Speaker 5: mentioning again, in the context of what we're talking about now,
[1:27:35] Speaker 5: a lot of people will also misinterpret whatever experience they
[1:27:41] Speaker 5: have and whatever manifestations there are. We've been taught, you know,
[1:27:46] Speaker 5: most of us grow up in the Christian faith with
[1:27:49] Speaker 5: the Bible and we're taught that anything outside of that is,
[1:27:54] Speaker 5: negative or demonic or satanic or malevolent or whatever. And
[1:27:58] Speaker 5: so that's our, the glasses that we view everything through.
[1:28:02] Speaker 5: And when we have a paranormal experience, we're like, well,
[1:28:05] Speaker 5: it wasn't in the church while I was praying and
[1:28:07] Speaker 5: singing hymns. So therefore it must be the devil. It
[1:28:09] Speaker 5: must be demonic. It must be an evil spirit. So
[1:28:12] Speaker 5: we automatically have that need to misinterpretation of things. And
[1:28:17] Speaker 5: then if the experience occurs in a way, That scares
[1:28:22] Speaker 5: us or frightens us because all our lives we've been
[1:28:24] Speaker 5: told such things don't exist. And then when we find
[1:28:27] Speaker 5: out that they do, it's like, oh, my God, you know,
[1:28:30] Speaker 5: what do I do with this? And if it occurs
[1:28:32] Speaker 5: in a way that scares us or frightens us, we
[1:28:35] Speaker 5: misinterpret that then as something, malevolent or something possibly harmful.
[1:28:41] Speaker 5: When the absolute opposite is true. These entities and beings
[1:28:46] Speaker 5: are around us all the time. We think that they're not,
[1:28:48] Speaker 5: but they're always around us. And sometimes they have something
[1:28:52] Speaker 5: they want or need to communicate through. to us, to
[1:28:55] Speaker 5: help us, to guide us, to give us some inspiration,
[1:28:58] Speaker 5: to protect us, to help us, whatever. Like my guardian
[1:29:01] Speaker 5: angels have literally saved my life many times, many times.
[1:29:06] Speaker 5: And so I encourage people to say, look, you know,
[1:29:10] Speaker 5: go into this not with a fearful attitude and don't
[1:29:13] Speaker 5: go in with a challenging, disrespectful attitude. Don't go into
[1:29:17] Speaker 5: things like you see some of the so-called ghost hunters
[1:29:20] Speaker 5: do on TV where they go in cursing the ghost
[1:29:23] Speaker 5: and trying to rabble rouse and challenging everything and everybody.
[1:29:27] Speaker 5: Don't do that. That's disrespectful. If, you know, if you
[1:29:31] Speaker 5: meet somebody on the street and you don't know them,
[1:29:33] Speaker 5: you're not going to begin a conversation that way. You're
[1:29:36] Speaker 5: going to politely introduce yourself, get to know the person
[1:29:38] Speaker 5: or whatever. Same thing on the other side. So our
[1:29:41] Speaker 5: attitude does have a tremendous amount to do with it. Yeah.
[1:29:44] Speaker 5: The more that we can understand that we need to
[1:29:49] Speaker 5: be respectful of and be serious and, you know, connecting
[1:29:53] Speaker 5: with the spiritual realm, the more positive, the better the
[1:29:56] Speaker 5: experiences are that we're going to have. And again, it
[1:30:00] Speaker 5: comes with practice and it comes with experience. The longer
[1:30:03] Speaker 5: that you develop a relationship with the other side, with
[1:30:06] Speaker 5: your spirit guides or whatever, the more accurate things are
[1:30:09] Speaker 5: going to be for you. The more meaningful things are
[1:30:11] Speaker 5: going to be, but people need to get rid of the,
[1:30:15] Speaker 5: the exorcist movie, you know, connotation. This is how the
[1:30:18] Speaker 5: spiritual realm is because, It's not, you know, I've had way, way,
[1:30:23] Speaker 5: way over a thousand physical paranormal manifestations in my lifetime.
[1:30:28] Speaker 5: A lot of times other people have seen these. We
[1:30:31] Speaker 5: photographed them, video recorded them, audio recorded them. And in
[1:30:35] Speaker 5: all of these experiences and manifestations, I've never had anything
[1:30:40] Speaker 5: that was dangerous or frightening or scary or malevolent or
[1:30:43] Speaker 5: anything else. On the contrary, it's been very, very helpful.
[1:30:47] Speaker 5: I've received a lot of practical guidance, a lot of help. physically, spiritually, mentally, emotionally,
[1:30:52] Speaker 5: and otherwise. And so it's something that we need to
[1:30:55] Speaker 5: learn can be very beneficial. But if you go into
[1:30:58] Speaker 5: it with a goofy, silly attitude or a negative attitude
[1:31:01] Speaker 5: or a challenging attitude, yeah, you may get that in return.
[1:31:06] Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned a couple of magical modalities that I'd
[1:31:08] Speaker 1: like to get into, such as candle magic and the
[1:31:12] Speaker 1: use of crystal ball.
[1:31:13] Speaker 5: Right.
[1:31:14] Speaker 1: Let's talk about that first. What can be accomplished with
[1:31:18] Speaker 1: the use of a crystal ball. Could you tell us
[1:31:20] Speaker 1: how you utilize it?
[1:31:21] Speaker 5: Yeah. And I go in depth in this in my book.
[1:31:24] Speaker 5: And it's scrying, which is an ancient technique. And you
[1:31:28] Speaker 5: can scry with anything. You can do it with any
[1:31:31] Speaker 5: reflective surface. So a mirror, a puddle of water, whatever
[1:31:36] Speaker 5: is reflective. But the easiest way to start is with
[1:31:40] Speaker 5: a traditional crystal ball. And I tell people how to
[1:31:44] Speaker 5: choose one, what to do. do with it, how to
[1:31:47] Speaker 5: use it, how to look into it. Typically what you're
[1:31:50] Speaker 5: doing when you're looking into a crystal ball is instead
[1:31:53] Speaker 5: of relying upon a direct spiritual communication, you're looking for
[1:31:58] Speaker 5: a visual communication from the other side. And so you're
[1:32:02] Speaker 5: looking for them to give you a name or letters
[1:32:06] Speaker 5: that are meaningful or a symbol that's meaningful or a
[1:32:09] Speaker 5: sentence that's meaningful or some communication that answers a question
[1:32:13] Speaker 5: for you. either through words or through symbols or whatever.
[1:32:16] Speaker 5: So that's what you do when you use a crystal ball.
[1:32:19] Speaker 5: You literally gaze into it, get yourself in a meditative
[1:32:22] Speaker 5: state and a receptive state, and you gaze into it.
[1:32:25] Speaker 5: You ask for communication from the other side. You could
[1:32:28] Speaker 5: ask for a message or a sign from a deceased
[1:32:30] Speaker 5: loved one. And there are many ways that that communication
[1:32:34] Speaker 5: comes through. Sometimes you'll see a face. Sometimes you'll see
[1:32:38] Speaker 5: a picture. Sometimes you'll see a symbol. Sometimes you'll see
[1:32:41] Speaker 5: letters or words or numbers or whatever. And the more
[1:32:44] Speaker 5: you work with it, just like anything else, the more
[1:32:47] Speaker 5: you practice, the more you work with it, the better
[1:32:50] Speaker 5: that connection is going to get, the more information you're
[1:32:53] Speaker 5: going to receive, and the more helpful that it is.
[1:32:55] Speaker 5: But that's basically what you're doing. You're just asking for
[1:32:58] Speaker 5: a visual communication from the other side that gives you
[1:33:01] Speaker 5: some guidance that you need.
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: How important would you say the ability to get yourself
[1:33:08] Speaker 1: to a meditative state is with a lot of these abilities?
[1:33:14] Speaker 5: You know, people mistake what they think they have to
[1:33:18] Speaker 5: do in order to prepare themselves. They think that they're
[1:33:21] Speaker 5: going to have to sit cross-legged and close their eyes
[1:33:24] Speaker 5: and meditate for 20 minutes and clear their mind of
[1:33:27] Speaker 5: all distracting thoughts. And that's really not how you connect
[1:33:30] Speaker 5: with the other side. You do need to kind of focus.
[1:33:34] Speaker 5: Always tell people, get rid of the distractions. Turn the
[1:33:37] Speaker 5: cell phone off. No TV. No music. Get away from
[1:33:40] Speaker 5: the computer. Don't have the kids running around yelling and screaming.
[1:33:43] Speaker 5: Don't have people around because quietness is essential to hearing.
[1:33:48] Speaker 5: And that's the main thing. You just need to disconnect
[1:33:50] Speaker 5: from all of the stuff that's going on out there
[1:33:53] Speaker 5: and get rid of the noise and all this rigmarole
[1:33:56] Speaker 5: and just get to a quiet state. And as far
[1:33:59] Speaker 5: as a meditative state, it doesn't have to be anything
[1:34:04] Speaker 5: really formal or serious or complex or convoluted. Mostly it's
[1:34:09] Speaker 5: just the recognition. Okay. Right now, I've gotten rid of
[1:34:14] Speaker 5: all the excess distractions. I'm sitting down quietly. My focus
[1:34:18] Speaker 5: is on this crystal ball, and I'm going to ask
[1:34:21] Speaker 5: the other side to communicate to me with guidance in
[1:34:25] Speaker 5: this crystal ball to let me see images that are
[1:34:27] Speaker 5: meaningful to me, that will help move me forward, answer
[1:34:30] Speaker 5: the questions I've got right now, and so on. And
[1:34:32] Speaker 5: that's basically meditation. That's basically focusing yourself. And you don't
[1:34:36] Speaker 5: have to do anything any more convoluted or any more
[1:34:39] Speaker 5: complex than that. It's really a simple process. Right now,
[1:34:44] Speaker 5: you're not trying to sit down and enter such a
[1:34:46] Speaker 5: deep state of meditation that you're going to affect some
[1:34:50] Speaker 5: physical object in somebody's house halfway around the world. You're
[1:34:53] Speaker 5: just sitting down, calming your mind, clearing your mind, getting
[1:34:56] Speaker 5: rid of the noise so you can focus on the
[1:34:58] Speaker 5: crystal ball and say, okay, you know, it's my uncle
[1:35:00] Speaker 5: Henry here. If you are, can you give me a
[1:35:02] Speaker 5: sign that lets me know that it's you? Show me
[1:35:04] Speaker 5: in the crystal ball that you're here. That's all that
[1:35:07] Speaker 5: you're doing. And that's a very basic form of meditation
[1:35:09] Speaker 5: in and of itself.
[1:35:11] Speaker 1: How important is it to have a belief in something
[1:35:15] Speaker 1: in order for it to manifest or work? How much
[1:35:20] Speaker 1: of this is based on our belief in it?
[1:35:27] Speaker 5: That's a good question, Chris. Really very little, because there
[1:35:31] Speaker 5: are things that, concrete physical things, paranormal things, that happen
[1:35:36] Speaker 5: to people out of the blue that are not really believers.
[1:35:40] Speaker 5: And they experience these type of things all the time.
[1:35:44] Speaker 5: People do. And so our belief system isn't going to
[1:35:49] Speaker 5: change the fact of the spiritual realm, that it really
[1:35:53] Speaker 5: is there and that it really does interact with us.
[1:35:57] Speaker 5: I think the idea of a belief system going into
[1:36:02] Speaker 5: something at least be willing to concede that, hey, this
[1:36:08] Speaker 5: might really work. This could work for me. And so
[1:36:12] Speaker 5: if you've got the mindset, you know, I've heard that
[1:36:14] Speaker 5: people do this. I've heard people get results with this. Therefore,
[1:36:18] Speaker 5: I believe I can too. I can take this training.
[1:36:21] Speaker 5: I can take this instruction. I can take this teaching.
[1:36:24] Speaker 5: I can make it work and I can get some results.
[1:36:26] Speaker 5: And I think if you go into it that way, obviously,
[1:36:29] Speaker 5: you'll have better results. And if you go in saying, oh,
[1:36:32] Speaker 5: there's nothing to this, this isn't going to work. Well,
[1:36:35] Speaker 5: It might surprise you. But the problem with that is
[1:36:38] Speaker 5: if you're a really hardcore skeptic, you're going to say, oh, well,
[1:36:42] Speaker 5: that was just coincidence. That was my imagination. Nothing really happened.
[1:36:45] Speaker 5: And then you're going to discount it. You're going to
[1:36:47] Speaker 5: leave it alone. You're going to go on. You're never
[1:36:48] Speaker 5: going to try it again, which is a real loss,
[1:36:51] Speaker 5: you know, for people that do that. So I think
[1:36:53] Speaker 5: the only people that really have difficulty are the hardcore
[1:36:57] Speaker 5: skeptics like the amazing Randy when he was alive, whose
[1:37:01] Speaker 5: life work was to destroy Uri Giller. Hmm. You know,
[1:37:05] Speaker 5: when you go into anything with your mind made up,
[1:37:08] Speaker 5: that number one, it does not exist. Number two, it
[1:37:11] Speaker 5: never has existed. Number three, it never will exist. And
[1:37:16] Speaker 5: that's the truth. That's the fact. That's all there is
[1:37:18] Speaker 5: to it. When you go into something with your mindset
[1:37:20] Speaker 5: like that, no matter what happens, you're going to discount
[1:37:24] Speaker 5: it or poo-poo it or say, oh, no, that's not real.
[1:37:27] Speaker 5: That's just, you know, imagination or whatever. So I don't
[1:37:30] Speaker 5: think that many people... that go into like, for example,
[1:37:34] Speaker 5: the people that are going to buy my book and say, man,
[1:37:35] Speaker 5: I got to try this. I want to try this
[1:37:37] Speaker 5: for myself. I don't think many people that will do
[1:37:40] Speaker 5: that are going to go in with a hardcore skeptic attitude.
[1:37:44] Speaker 5: I think they're going to be going in with more
[1:37:46] Speaker 5: of a hopeful and an anticipatory attitude and say, okay,
[1:37:49] Speaker 5: let me see if I can make this work for me.
[1:37:51] Speaker 5: Let me see if I can get some help from
[1:37:53] Speaker 5: the other side. That's beneficial in my life. So I
[1:37:55] Speaker 5: think that, um, I think attitude plays a small part
[1:37:59] Speaker 5: in it, but not, not totally.
[1:38:03] Speaker 1: Do you think as a whole, society, humanity used to
[1:38:08] Speaker 1: be much more collectively psychic than we are now, that
[1:38:13] Speaker 1: we have possibly been dulled down based on our diets,
[1:38:17] Speaker 1: based on our interaction with technology? Our separation from spirit
[1:38:24] Speaker 1: in general has caused us to degrade these abilities.
[1:38:29] Speaker 5: I agree with that 100% Chris I really do I
[1:38:32] Speaker 5: think that we used to be more in tune with
[1:38:36] Speaker 5: the spiritual realm we used to be more in tune
[1:38:39] Speaker 5: with nature we used to be more in tune with
[1:38:43] Speaker 5: each other and now cell phones have separated us and
[1:38:46] Speaker 5: driven us apart and and technology has caused us to
[1:38:52] Speaker 5: have an over-reliance on it and on science. And, you know,
[1:38:57] Speaker 5: the funny thing about technology, and I was thinking about
[1:39:00] Speaker 5: that today, I thought, oh, God, I hope I get
[1:39:01] Speaker 5: to have this interview with you, because last night we
[1:39:04] Speaker 5: had a really bad storm and we lost everything. We
[1:39:09] Speaker 5: lost cable TV. We lost Internet. We lost Wi-Fi. We
[1:39:15] Speaker 5: lost all our phones. So we were back to the basics,
[1:39:19] Speaker 5: and it's like, Technology is really great when it works,
[1:39:22] Speaker 5: but we have this over-reliance on it. And one of
[1:39:25] Speaker 5: the things that I always think about is like, you know,
[1:39:30] Speaker 5: I've watched every season of Skinwalker Ranch. And yes, I
[1:39:34] Speaker 5: do believe it's 100% real. I do believe they're doing everything.
[1:39:38] Speaker 5: They show on the program and then some of the
[1:39:42] Speaker 5: scientists are all real scientists. I mean, they're credentialed. You
[1:39:45] Speaker 5: can look them up. They've captured on film now numerous
[1:39:49] Speaker 5: UFOs and other paranormal phenomena and so on and so forth.
[1:39:52] Speaker 5: But the problem there and all these other shows is
[1:39:57] Speaker 5: an over-reliance on technology. Now, I get it. As a scientist,
[1:40:01] Speaker 5: they're searching for data and they're searching for replicable results.
[1:40:06] Speaker 5: They want to be able to repeat something over and
[1:40:07] Speaker 5: over and over again. The problem most times with the
[1:40:11] Speaker 5: paranormal is it doesn't perform on demand. And it's not
[1:40:16] Speaker 5: readily repeatable. And that's something that all paranormal researchers have
[1:40:19] Speaker 5: found out over the years. It just doesn't happen that way.
[1:40:23] Speaker 5: So that's one of the difficulties. The other thing is
[1:40:26] Speaker 5: when you're relying on technology, I understand that you're saying, okay,
[1:40:30] Speaker 5: we want to document that we're getting data on some
[1:40:35] Speaker 5: paranormal thing that's happening here. Well, yeah, you're getting that data,
[1:40:40] Speaker 5: but that's all you're getting. You're not getting who or what.
[1:40:45] Speaker 5: is producing that data is there a message in that
[1:40:50] Speaker 5: data is there a communication that you need to be
[1:40:52] Speaker 5: striving for and i've i've uh emailed brandon and i
[1:40:56] Speaker 5: said brandon what you're doing is great but you got
[1:40:58] Speaker 5: to get the wizards out there man you know and
[1:41:00] Speaker 5: um like when he when they got the jewish rabbi
[1:41:04] Speaker 5: out there and he did the uh the um uh
[1:41:10] Speaker 5: chant the the to open up the portal And they
[1:41:13] Speaker 5: captured on camera this portal opening up. Okay, there you go.
[1:41:17] Speaker 5: You got to marry those two things together. And like
[1:41:20] Speaker 5: on one of the latest episodes when they have the
[1:41:22] Speaker 5: Native American drummers out there. And as they were drumming,
[1:41:26] Speaker 5: the spiral up on top of the mound literally heated up,
[1:41:30] Speaker 5: was visible on camera that it heated up. And that
[1:41:33] Speaker 5: was terrific. So that's what you've got to do is
[1:41:35] Speaker 5: like get the people out there that can communicate with
[1:41:38] Speaker 5: what's going on. The data is great. But who's communicating
[1:41:43] Speaker 5: and why? Like the rabbi said, man, there's there's an
[1:41:45] Speaker 5: ancient spirit out here, you know.
[1:41:48] Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I was talking with someone. I was
[1:41:52] Speaker 1: talking with some someone about this very thing the other
[1:41:55] Speaker 1: day that when it's approached with a scientific materialistic aspect,
[1:42:01] Speaker 1: it seems like it tries to stay ahead of what.
[1:42:06] Speaker 1: They're trying to study that it's always five to ten
[1:42:10] Speaker 1: steps ahead of anything that we're trying to understand. And
[1:42:14] Speaker 1: any type of scientific experiment, they come out with more
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: questions than answers. But when it's approached in a more
[1:42:21] Speaker 1: magical or ritualistic type setting, the results seem to interact
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: more in a way, not necessarily to where you understand it,
[1:42:33] Speaker 1: but it seems to have... more of a display than
[1:42:37] Speaker 1: whenever you are interacting with it scientifically.
[1:42:40] Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. A hundred percent true. And with that paranormal display,
[1:42:46] Speaker 5: the paranormal interaction, you have a greater chance then to
[1:42:51] Speaker 5: communicate with that being, that energy, whatever it is, and
[1:42:55] Speaker 5: understand what's going on. Why are you here? Why are
[1:42:58] Speaker 5: you manifesting? What's your message? Do you need something from me?
[1:43:02] Speaker 5: Do I need something from you? How long have you
[1:43:05] Speaker 5: been here? What's your purpose in being here? And so
[1:43:08] Speaker 5: those are the things that only a good psychic or
[1:43:11] Speaker 5: medium or whatever can answer, can relate to, can connect with.
[1:43:16] Speaker 5: And it annoys me to see people that are frightened
[1:43:21] Speaker 5: by the paranormal because like even the drum group, God
[1:43:24] Speaker 5: bless them, they got out there and they were seeing
[1:43:25] Speaker 5: a shadow person climbing around among the rocks. And it
[1:43:29] Speaker 5: scared them. And they said, okay, we don't know if
[1:43:31] Speaker 5: we want to quit. You know, for me, if I
[1:43:33] Speaker 5: was out there, I'd be like, man, I'm just getting started.
[1:43:36] Speaker 5: You know, let's ramp this thing up. Let's see if
[1:43:39] Speaker 5: we can get this dude on camera. Let's see if
[1:43:41] Speaker 5: he can come down here and talk to me. Who
[1:43:43] Speaker 5: are you? Where are you from? How long have you
[1:43:45] Speaker 5: been here?
[1:43:45] Speaker 4: Why?
[1:43:46] Speaker 5: That's the kind of thing that I want to, you know,
[1:43:48] Speaker 5: that communication that I want to have. And that you
[1:43:51] Speaker 5: just can't do with science. You know, you can measure
[1:43:53] Speaker 5: the result of it with science, but you can't get
[1:43:57] Speaker 5: that interaction, that communication. And so I would love for
[1:44:03] Speaker 5: all of us to understand that we have to get
[1:44:05] Speaker 5: back to a more natural approach. We need to connect
[1:44:08] Speaker 5: with nature more. How many of us go and sit
[1:44:10] Speaker 5: out in our backyards and just look up at the
[1:44:12] Speaker 5: sky and look at the trees and just enjoy nature?
[1:44:14] Speaker 5: How many of us go to forests or woods or
[1:44:16] Speaker 5: state parks or anything like that? And that's what we
[1:44:20] Speaker 5: need to do. We have to understand that the earth
[1:44:22] Speaker 5: is a living organism with an intelligence of all of
[1:44:25] Speaker 5: its own. And we need to be able to connect
[1:44:27] Speaker 5: with that and interact with that. And then the spiritual realm,
[1:44:31] Speaker 5: we need to focus in on that and make time
[1:44:33] Speaker 5: for that and connect with that. We need less time
[1:44:36] Speaker 5: with our computers, less time with our cell phones, less
[1:44:39] Speaker 5: time with the science and more time with faith, with
[1:44:42] Speaker 5: spiritual connection, with connection with the earth and so on
[1:44:45] Speaker 5: and so forth. So you're exactly right about that. We,
[1:44:48] Speaker 5: We've gone backwards instead of going forward in that regard.
[1:44:51] Speaker 1: Well, when you step back and you look at it
[1:44:56] Speaker 1: in that aspect, it seems like there's a level of
[1:45:00] Speaker 1: mystery that will always be there. And maybe we're not
[1:45:02] Speaker 1: even supposed to know the deepest aspects of what's happening
[1:45:07] Speaker 1: with this, that we're just supposed to understand that it
[1:45:10] Speaker 1: exists and it's a part of our reality in some way.
[1:45:16] Speaker 5: Exactly. You know, you raise another very good point there, Chris,
[1:45:20] Speaker 5: because this is something that forever and today people have
[1:45:23] Speaker 5: been trying to figure out and find out. And like
[1:45:26] Speaker 5: you say, I think there are some things that we're
[1:45:28] Speaker 5: just not going to know or that it's going to
[1:45:30] Speaker 5: take us a long, long, long time to know. One
[1:45:33] Speaker 5: example of that is electronic voice phenomenon. We talked about
[1:45:36] Speaker 5: that a little bit before. And that's the recording of
[1:45:40] Speaker 5: spirit voices. And it's so strange because usually there's some
[1:45:44] Speaker 5: type of noise sourced. either static from a radio or
[1:45:48] Speaker 5: just the ambient noise from a recorder as you're using
[1:45:51] Speaker 5: it or whatever, and buried in that noise, spirit voices
[1:45:57] Speaker 5: would use that noise or channel through that noise to
[1:46:00] Speaker 5: communicate a word or a phrase or a sentence or
[1:46:02] Speaker 5: a sound or whatever. So this is well documented. This
[1:46:06] Speaker 5: has been going on forever today. But our problem is
[1:46:11] Speaker 5: we've made better and better and better voice recorders, but
[1:46:15] Speaker 5: we haven't made any inroads into connecting with that frequency
[1:46:19] Speaker 5: that these beings are talking on, that the people are
[1:46:22] Speaker 5: talking on. And I said, that's where the real research
[1:46:25] Speaker 5: needs to be conducted is how and why do they
[1:46:28] Speaker 5: use that frequency, that noise? How do they communicate through that?
[1:46:33] Speaker 5: And is there a frequency there that we can hone
[1:46:36] Speaker 5: in on and be able to tune into a real-time
[1:46:40] Speaker 5: two-way conversation there with these beings? So It's like our
[1:46:44] Speaker 5: research lacks. It's like we missed the point of everything
[1:46:48] Speaker 5: that we're supposed to be doing. We're making better voice recorders,
[1:46:51] Speaker 5: but we're not focusing in on what frequency do I
[1:46:54] Speaker 5: need to get to here, you know? And I talked
[1:46:58] Speaker 5: to a guy that's a professional musician, and he said, man,
[1:47:02] Speaker 5: I can take my own music or any other music
[1:47:04] Speaker 5: or any sound, anything you've got. And he said, I
[1:47:07] Speaker 5: can put it in here in my software, and I
[1:47:09] Speaker 5: can analyze it, take it apart, do anything I want
[1:47:12] Speaker 5: to with it, find out where everything's at. But he said,
[1:47:14] Speaker 5: these voices and spirit voices of the EVP, he said,
[1:47:19] Speaker 5: I can upload those and I can hear them and
[1:47:22] Speaker 5: I can, you know, do all kinds of things to
[1:47:24] Speaker 5: make them clearer or whatever. But I can't find the
[1:47:27] Speaker 5: frequency that they're using to speak to us. And he
[1:47:31] Speaker 5: and I agreed. I said, you know, when we find
[1:47:33] Speaker 5: that frequency, that's when we're going to start having real
[1:47:36] Speaker 5: time communication with Uncle Joe on the other side, you know.
[1:47:39] Speaker 5: So we do have such a long way to go.
[1:47:42] Speaker 5: And one of the things that hampers us is people's
[1:47:46] Speaker 5: religious convictions that, you know, it's an area we shouldn't
[1:47:48] Speaker 5: tamper in or, you know, it's evil or this and
[1:47:52] Speaker 5: the other. I saw a documentary on UFOs and on
[1:47:56] Speaker 5: remote viewing and all this, and they were saying that
[1:47:59] Speaker 5: there were people in Congress that were steeped in religion
[1:48:03] Speaker 5: that said, we just don't investigate UFOs or any of
[1:48:06] Speaker 5: this remote viewing because it's evil. It's demonic. It's satanic.
[1:48:10] Speaker 5: We don't get involved with it. And so you have
[1:48:12] Speaker 5: this mindset that's so difficult to overcome and to get
[1:48:15] Speaker 5: people to understand, hey, you know, this is a reality
[1:48:18] Speaker 5: that we all experience. regardless of what your viewpoint is
[1:48:21] Speaker 5: or isn't it's there and so it would behoove us
[1:48:24] Speaker 5: to investigate it as deeply as we can and find
[1:48:28] Speaker 5: out how we can make our lives better and the
[1:48:30] Speaker 5: world a better place by interacting with that and bringing
[1:48:34] Speaker 5: some of this energy in you know there used to
[1:48:36] Speaker 5: be people that would focus on trying to find out
[1:48:39] Speaker 5: how to become a healer and be a better healer,
[1:48:42] Speaker 5: all these types of things. And so now it seems
[1:48:45] Speaker 5: like everybody's off on some tangent that really doesn't have
[1:48:48] Speaker 5: anything to do with anything productive. And that's what I'd
[1:48:52] Speaker 5: like to see us make a return to.
[1:48:55] Speaker 1: It's very interesting, and there seems to be a connection there.
[1:48:59] Speaker 1: between many of these different type of phenomena from spirit
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: communication to all the way to UFOs and extraterrestrials, which
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: I want to get to that in a minute. Before
[1:49:11] Speaker 1: we do, I want to go back to candle magic.
[1:49:13] Speaker 1: We didn't get to that yet. Could you tell us
[1:49:15] Speaker 1: a little bit about how that works?
[1:49:19] Speaker 5: You know, I've argued that objects inherently and intrinsically have
[1:49:25] Speaker 5: a power of their own. Um, I think that, for example,
[1:49:30] Speaker 5: if you use candles and you use candles for magic, uh,
[1:49:35] Speaker 5: there's an argument made that, well, the candle itself doesn't
[1:49:38] Speaker 5: have any power. You're giving it your power or you're
[1:49:42] Speaker 5: connecting it with some spiritual source or power. And it's
[1:49:45] Speaker 5: really kind of just a conduit without any, uh, inherent
[1:49:49] Speaker 5: power of its own. And I've always disagreed with that.
[1:49:52] Speaker 5: The reason I disagree with that, you think back and, uh,
[1:49:57] Speaker 5: I remember when I was in my teens and I
[1:50:00] Speaker 5: had a progression of one old junker car after the other.
[1:50:06] Speaker 5: None of them were worth a darn. They were all used,
[1:50:10] Speaker 5: beat up old cars, barely got me around. But one
[1:50:14] Speaker 5: thing that I began to observe, regardless of which car
[1:50:17] Speaker 5: I had at the time, was that if you took
[1:50:21] Speaker 5: the car and washed it, and vacuumed it and cleaned
[1:50:25] Speaker 5: the upholstery and cleaned the dust out of it and
[1:50:28] Speaker 5: waxed it really good and shiny and cleaned all the
[1:50:32] Speaker 5: windows till you could just barely tell they were there,
[1:50:34] Speaker 5: they were so clean that you started that sucker up
[1:50:37] Speaker 5: and it actually ran better for a week or two
[1:50:41] Speaker 5: after you really paid attention to it and cleaned it
[1:50:43] Speaker 5: up and so on and so forth. So I begin
[1:50:47] Speaker 5: to think, you know, there has to be some type of,
[1:50:54] Speaker 5: what we would call an intelligence or an awareness or
[1:50:57] Speaker 5: whatever in, you know, various things that responds to our
[1:51:04] Speaker 5: care or attention or whatever. And so I've maintained that
[1:51:07] Speaker 5: always that like the candle has an inherent sort of intelligence,
[1:51:12] Speaker 5: if you will, or sentience or some type of inherent
[1:51:15] Speaker 5: ability within it that's apart and separate from us. And
[1:51:20] Speaker 5: that when we use that candle, then we invoke its intelligence,
[1:51:23] Speaker 5: its power, its ability. And we connect that with our
[1:51:27] Speaker 5: own and it becomes a symbiotic relationship there. We make
[1:51:31] Speaker 5: this connection and then we use that power that's magnified
[1:51:34] Speaker 5: then because there's two of us, there's me and the candle.
[1:51:38] Speaker 5: And then we focus on creating something out there in
[1:51:41] Speaker 5: the ether, out there in the universe that's going to
[1:51:44] Speaker 5: manifest a certain result. So, That's the focus on the
[1:51:49] Speaker 5: chapter on candle magic in the book is to use
[1:51:51] Speaker 5: the candle magic to bring about a needed change in
[1:51:55] Speaker 5: your life. And so if you need a better job,
[1:51:58] Speaker 5: you know, you focus on getting the right job or
[1:52:02] Speaker 5: whatever this and the other. And one of the funny
[1:52:05] Speaker 5: things is this is one of the things I talk
[1:52:07] Speaker 5: about in utilizing magic. I talk about this in the
[1:52:10] Speaker 5: third book is if you sit down with a candle,
[1:52:15] Speaker 5: you're going to do candle magic. to increase your income
[1:52:19] Speaker 5: at the job that you're at. And you want to,
[1:52:23] Speaker 5: in a year's time, you want to double your income
[1:52:25] Speaker 5: in the job where you're at. And the job where
[1:52:27] Speaker 5: you're at currently involves a lot of customer service, maybe
[1:52:32] Speaker 5: some sales, but it involves interacting with people. And I
[1:52:35] Speaker 5: explain that if you're a jerk and you don't like
[1:52:38] Speaker 5: people and you're rude to your customers, you can do
[1:52:42] Speaker 5: candle magic till the cows come home, but it's not
[1:52:44] Speaker 5: going to be effective because the change that's needed is,
[1:52:47] Speaker 5: is you. And so you can sit down with the candle,
[1:52:50] Speaker 5: do some candle magic, say, look, help me to be
[1:52:53] Speaker 5: a better person. Help me to be more empathetic. Help
[1:52:55] Speaker 5: me to be more sympathetic to others, to see deeper
[1:52:58] Speaker 5: into their lives and to be more patient. That's what
[1:53:01] Speaker 5: you work on with candle magic first. And then after
[1:53:03] Speaker 5: you've accomplished that, then you go, okay, now I'd like
[1:53:06] Speaker 5: to double my income there. And you do candle magic
[1:53:08] Speaker 5: for that. So in magic, we have to know ourselves
[1:53:11] Speaker 5: and we have to know what our limitations are and what,
[1:53:15] Speaker 5: how we truly are. and what we need to focus
[1:53:18] Speaker 5: on and how to go about getting things.
[1:53:20] Speaker 1: So it probably wouldn't be a good idea to go
[1:53:23] Speaker 1: into a ritual or some magical modality pissed off or
[1:53:29] Speaker 1: upset or in a bad state of mind, in a
[1:53:32] Speaker 1: negative state of mind, because that would attach that energy
[1:53:37] Speaker 1: to whatever you're trying to accomplish, right?
[1:53:38] Speaker 5: Exactly, exactly. When you utilize magic, what you want to
[1:53:43] Speaker 5: do is be in a good mood, be in a
[1:53:45] Speaker 5: light mood, be in a positive, mood. And what you
[1:53:48] Speaker 5: want to be putting out there are the thoughts, the visualizations,
[1:53:54] Speaker 5: the mental pictures in your mind's eye, the energies, everything
[1:53:59] Speaker 5: should be positive. Everything should be directed toward achieving this
[1:54:05] Speaker 5: goal and everything should be lighthearted and happy. You should
[1:54:08] Speaker 5: be thinking about, boy, you know, I get this I
[1:54:12] Speaker 5: double my income in a year. I think how happy
[1:54:14] Speaker 5: I'm going to be. I think of the things I
[1:54:16] Speaker 5: can afford to do. I can take that dream vacation
[1:54:20] Speaker 5: I've always wanted. So these are positive, happy energies. And
[1:54:23] Speaker 5: you're exactly right. You want to go into everything upbeat, positive,
[1:54:27] Speaker 5: happy and not bringing anything negative in there, not bringing
[1:54:30] Speaker 5: any frustrations in there, not bringing any bitterness in there.
[1:54:34] Speaker 5: If you find yourself having that or thinking about that,
[1:54:36] Speaker 5: you need to sit down, clear your mind, clear your emotions,
[1:54:39] Speaker 5: clear your thoughts before you begin the process then. And
[1:54:42] Speaker 5: then bring positive things, bring lighthearted things into it. And
[1:54:46] Speaker 5: then that's when you get the response you're hoping for exactly.
[1:54:50] Speaker 1: Now I want to go over one more modality before
[1:54:54] Speaker 1: we get to some of the high strangeness that's especially
[1:54:57] Speaker 1: been happening lately with UFOs. Let's talk a little bit
[1:55:00] Speaker 1: about tarot and how you utilize tarot and your understanding
[1:55:06] Speaker 1: of how this works for us.
[1:55:09] Speaker 5: You know, the tarot cards I have loved since I
[1:55:12] Speaker 5: was a young man. I'm an artist and I love
[1:55:14] Speaker 5: the visual imagery of the tarot. So that immediately connects
[1:55:18] Speaker 5: with me. I do believe the tarot cards have an
[1:55:22] Speaker 5: intrinsic power and ability on their own, as we discussed previously,
[1:55:27] Speaker 5: and that I connect with that and that we amplify
[1:55:29] Speaker 5: each other. It's kind of a partnership in doing the
[1:55:32] Speaker 5: readings and, I don't have to use the tarot cards.
[1:55:34] Speaker 5: And a lot of times I'll lay them out in
[1:55:36] Speaker 5: a reading, never even look at them. But it's something
[1:55:40] Speaker 5: that I've always used. It's something that I like. I
[1:55:42] Speaker 5: don't have to rely on it, but I like it.
[1:55:44] Speaker 5: I do use them. And in my book, I've got
[1:55:48] Speaker 5: a chapter on how to learn the tarot cards, basic learning,
[1:55:52] Speaker 5: how to begin, how to start learning the tarot, how
[1:55:55] Speaker 5: to use it. And it's, you know, people put much
[1:55:59] Speaker 5: more difficulty into the idea than there needs to be.
[1:56:03] Speaker 5: Once again, I simplify everything. At the same time, I
[1:56:05] Speaker 5: don't lie to you and say, okay, you're going to
[1:56:07] Speaker 5: read my book, get a deck of tarot cards, and
[1:56:10] Speaker 5: next week you're going to be making $ 1, 000 a week
[1:56:12] Speaker 5: as a reader. You're not. This is something that I've
[1:56:15] Speaker 5: spent my entire life studying and practicing and doing, and
[1:56:19] Speaker 5: it takes effort. It takes diligence, but this is a
[1:56:22] Speaker 5: way to get started. And I tell everybody in the book,
[1:56:25] Speaker 5: I say, look, you're going to reach your own plateau.
[1:56:28] Speaker 5: Not many people are going to become professional psychics, but
[1:56:31] Speaker 5: you can become good enough to get input and guidance
[1:56:35] Speaker 5: and direction in your life and maybe help your family,
[1:56:38] Speaker 5: friends and neighbors. And for some people, they'll go on
[1:56:41] Speaker 5: to do some readings on a more professional level. But
[1:56:44] Speaker 5: the main thing is people have to understand you got
[1:56:47] Speaker 5: to you got to crawl before you walk. You got
[1:56:49] Speaker 5: to walk before you run. It's the old cliche, but
[1:56:51] Speaker 5: it's true. And, you know, things are really simple. When
[1:56:56] Speaker 5: you come down to the basics of it, like the
[1:56:59] Speaker 5: high jump in track and field, well, a guy gets
[1:57:02] Speaker 5: up speed and he jumps over this bar. Simple. But
[1:57:05] Speaker 5: to do it, it takes tons of work, tons of practice,
[1:57:09] Speaker 5: tons of dedication. And so it's the same way with
[1:57:11] Speaker 5: all these things. They're simple at face value. And some
[1:57:15] Speaker 5: things are a little easier to do than others for
[1:57:17] Speaker 5: other people. I think psychometry, which I teach in the
[1:57:20] Speaker 5: first chapter of the book, is one of the simplest
[1:57:23] Speaker 5: and easiest things to learn. and the most effective things
[1:57:26] Speaker 5: to learn. And I've had great success teaching people from
[1:57:30] Speaker 5: all belief systems, all walks of life, and all abilities
[1:57:34] Speaker 5: to do that successfully. And then there are other things
[1:57:37] Speaker 5: that are a little harder, maybe require a little more dedication.
[1:57:40] Speaker 5: But I've kind of tried to do a mix in
[1:57:42] Speaker 5: the book of things that are a little harder, a
[1:57:44] Speaker 5: little easier. So people will do things, will find things
[1:57:47] Speaker 5: that they can get results with, And then something that
[1:57:51] Speaker 5: I find difficult, you might find easy. You might get
[1:57:53] Speaker 5: really good results with right away.
[1:57:56] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:57:56] Speaker 1: Well, tell us a little bit about what psychometry is then.
[1:58:01] Speaker 5: Psychometry is just taking an object and getting the vibrations
[1:58:04] Speaker 5: from that object, getting information from that object so that
[1:58:08] Speaker 5: you hold an object and you say, okay, this belonged
[1:58:11] Speaker 5: to your uncle Joe and he had gout late in
[1:58:14] Speaker 5: life and blah, blah, blah, and all that type of thing.
[1:58:16] Speaker 5: And you're just getting the information that comes from that object.
[1:58:20] Speaker 5: And people say, well, that's, that's a parlor trick. Even
[1:58:22] Speaker 5: if it's accurate, you know, what are you doing? Well,
[1:58:25] Speaker 5: you're learning that objects hold information. And you're learning that
[1:58:29] Speaker 5: objects can transmit that information. And so you can go
[1:58:33] Speaker 5: beyond what's there and the real world application of this
[1:58:37] Speaker 5: and say, OK, I'm not real sure that this person's
[1:58:40] Speaker 5: a friend of mine or not. You go to their
[1:58:42] Speaker 5: house and you know that they have an object there
[1:58:45] Speaker 5: that they've owned for a long time. It's personal to them.
[1:58:48] Speaker 5: It's a lot of energy is invested in it. And
[1:58:52] Speaker 5: you say, oh, can I see that? Can I hold that?
[1:58:54] Speaker 5: And you hold on to it, and you say, now
[1:58:56] Speaker 5: tell me about this person. Tell me about this person
[1:58:58] Speaker 5: in me. And then the energy that comes forth is, oh,
[1:59:01] Speaker 5: this person doesn't like me at all. They pretend to
[1:59:03] Speaker 5: be my friend, but they're not. So there's real-world information
[1:59:07] Speaker 5: that you can learn to glean from these things once
[1:59:09] Speaker 5: you develop that power and that ability.
[1:59:12] Speaker 1: Would you say that all objects have some level of
[1:59:17] Speaker 1: consciousness as well?
[1:59:20] Speaker 5: I do believe that. Yeah, I do think so. And,
[1:59:23] Speaker 5: you know, you can make the argument, well, is the
[1:59:25] Speaker 5: thing itself conscious or does it draw in and hold
[1:59:30] Speaker 5: part of the consciousness that's out there around it? I
[1:59:33] Speaker 5: don't know. I think from some of my experiences that
[1:59:37] Speaker 5: things have an inherent consciousness themselves as well as whatever
[1:59:42] Speaker 5: they may pick up on in the environment or whatever
[1:59:45] Speaker 5: may attach to them externally. And it doesn't have to
[1:59:49] Speaker 5: be well, you know, a rock has never composed a symphony. Well,
[1:59:56] Speaker 5: that doesn't mean that the rock doesn't have intelligence. You know,
[1:59:59] Speaker 5: I've never composed a symphony either, and I've got supposedly
[2:00:02] Speaker 5: way more intelligence than a rock does. But all things
[2:00:07] Speaker 5: have this inherent intelligence and ability, I believe. We're learning
[2:00:10] Speaker 5: more and more now. I'm writing about this in my
[2:00:15] Speaker 5: fourth book. we've learned more and more now how sentient
[2:00:20] Speaker 5: trees and plants and things are and the communication system
[2:00:25] Speaker 5: that they have and the reaction they have to their environment,
[2:00:29] Speaker 5: the reaction they have to other trees and plants, the
[2:00:31] Speaker 5: reaction that they have to animals and people. And it's
[2:00:34] Speaker 5: really mind-blowing. It's really pretty mind-boggling. And the funny thing
[2:00:40] Speaker 5: is all of this scientific discovery takes us right back
[2:00:44] Speaker 5: where we were hundreds of years ago or thousands of
[2:00:47] Speaker 5: years ago and saying, hey, there's spirits in this tree or, hey,
[2:00:51] Speaker 5: the earth is alive or whatever. Science is beginning to
[2:00:54] Speaker 5: prove that now. So what people believed for all these
[2:00:57] Speaker 5: years wasn't wrong. It was true, you know, and that's
[2:01:00] Speaker 5: kind of where we need to go back to. Like
[2:01:01] Speaker 5: you mentioned earlier, we need to get back to that connection.
[2:01:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, 100%.
[2:01:07] Speaker 1: Now, right now, we are living in incredible times, extremely interesting.
[2:01:12] Speaker 1: But what's even more interesting than... Disclosure from our government
[2:01:16] Speaker 1: and media is the reaction from the masses regarding the
[2:01:23] Speaker 1: disclosure of possible UFOs and extraterrestrials. There doesn't seem to
[2:01:29] Speaker 1: be much of a reaction. People don't seem to be
[2:01:33] Speaker 1: getting up in arms to care at all about what
[2:01:36] Speaker 1: they're being told. So that's a very interesting reaction.
[2:01:40] Speaker 4: But.
[2:01:41] Speaker 1: Based on everything you know about your own experiences, what
[2:01:45] Speaker 1: you've learned from UFO contactees and experiencers, your own intuition,
[2:01:50] Speaker 1: what do you think is behind this current level of
[2:01:54] Speaker 1: disclosure coming from our government?
[2:01:59] Speaker 5: You know, I think that our government, if it had
[2:02:03] Speaker 5: its choice, would continue to drag its feet and to
[2:02:07] Speaker 5: close the door on any kind of... disclosure or any
[2:02:13] Speaker 5: explanation that's valuable and that's real. I think what's happening now,
[2:02:18] Speaker 5: there's a congressman named Tim Burchett, and you may have
[2:02:23] Speaker 5: seen his interviews and some of the things that he's doing.
[2:02:27] Speaker 5: And he's kind of spearheading this right now. And I
[2:02:31] Speaker 5: love the way he's doing it because he's coming out
[2:02:33] Speaker 5: and saying, look, enough is enough. The people deserve to
[2:02:38] Speaker 5: know the people need to know. There's no reason to
[2:02:40] Speaker 5: keep dragging our feet on this. Let's bring this out
[2:02:44] Speaker 5: to the American public and, you know, allow them to
[2:02:48] Speaker 5: have this knowledge. And I think that this small group
[2:02:53] Speaker 5: of people have finally just said, okay, look, we're going
[2:02:56] Speaker 5: to stand up and we're going to push this thing
[2:02:58] Speaker 5: as hard as we can and see if we can
[2:03:00] Speaker 5: get something out there. Um, I think, again, I think
[2:03:04] Speaker 5: if it were left up to the most of the
[2:03:06] Speaker 5: people and the powers that be, it wouldn't come out. Why,
[2:03:09] Speaker 5: I do not know. And oddly enough, I think the
[2:03:14] Speaker 5: alien intelligences have had numerous opportunities to make specifically clear
[2:03:20] Speaker 5: what's going on and why in their interactions with us.
[2:03:23] Speaker 5: And for whatever reasons, they haven't. So we've kind of
[2:03:26] Speaker 5: had this double whammy there as far as trying to
[2:03:29] Speaker 5: figure out what's going on and why and who these
[2:03:32] Speaker 5: entities are and why they're here and what their purposes are.
[2:03:37] Speaker 5: I talked with Kathleen Martin the other day, who's, you know,
[2:03:42] Speaker 5: one of the, she was Barney and Betty Hill's niece,
[2:03:45] Speaker 5: and she's one of the premier researchers in ufology. And
[2:03:48] Speaker 5: she wrote books with Stanton Friedman when he was alive.
[2:03:51] Speaker 5: They did a ton of things together when Stanton was alive.
[2:03:55] Speaker 5: And I talked with her and for all of her
[2:03:57] Speaker 5: experience and knowledge and look for, for all the things
[2:04:00] Speaker 5: that I have experienced in, And all the photographic evidence
[2:04:04] Speaker 5: that I have, spirit photographs and things, when we were talking,
[2:04:08] Speaker 5: we were on a Zoom call. And when we were talking,
[2:04:10] Speaker 5: she shared her computer screen with me and said, I
[2:04:13] Speaker 5: want you to see some of these pictures and videos.
[2:04:15] Speaker 5: And Chris, my God, it was mind blowing. Even to me,
[2:04:19] Speaker 5: I was like, holy cow. So, but anyways, and talking
[2:04:24] Speaker 5: with Kathleen Martin, you know, I asked her and all
[2:04:28] Speaker 5: of your experience and with everything with you and Stanton
[2:04:30] Speaker 5: and with everything else, you know, what the heck's going
[2:04:33] Speaker 5: on here? And she says, you know, bottom line is
[2:04:35] Speaker 5: nobody really knows. We just don't know. We can speculate.
[2:04:41] Speaker 5: We can take the experiences and lump them all together
[2:04:44] Speaker 5: and try and extrapolate something. But we don't know. And
[2:04:49] Speaker 5: so that's the frustrating thing in all of this right now.
[2:04:55] Speaker 5: And just incomprehensible to me as to why these individuals
[2:05:01] Speaker 5: beings that interact with us choose just to kind of
[2:05:05] Speaker 5: basically virtually ignore us. They give us these demonstrations of
[2:05:09] Speaker 5: their power and what they can do, but then as
[2:05:11] Speaker 5: far as any meaningful communication, and look, you know, let's
[2:05:16] Speaker 5: get away. One thing we have to get away from,
[2:05:18] Speaker 5: I've heard this and seen this over and over and
[2:05:21] Speaker 5: over again, and it's ridiculous. People say, well, they're so
[2:05:25] Speaker 5: far advanced that they couldn't communicate with us. It would
[2:05:29] Speaker 5: be like us trying to communicate with a cockroach. Well,
[2:05:31] Speaker 5: that's nonsense. We've developed nuclear and atomic bombs. We've written
[2:05:36] Speaker 5: the symphonies. You know, we can do analysis of scientific things.
[2:05:42] Speaker 5: We've developed all these scientific principles and we've done things.
[2:05:45] Speaker 5: We're on the verge now of creating things, doing things
[2:05:48] Speaker 5: that are literal miracles. And so it's ridiculous to think
[2:05:53] Speaker 5: that number one, we're advanced beings. Okay. And it's ridiculous
[2:05:58] Speaker 5: to think, that a being that's more evolved than us
[2:06:01] Speaker 5: can develop a way to communicate with us. I mean,
[2:06:04] Speaker 5: we've developed a way to communicate with dogs now. Have
[2:06:07] Speaker 5: you seen these little buttons? And the dog learns to
[2:06:10] Speaker 5: press on the button. I want to go outside. I
[2:06:12] Speaker 5: want to play. I'm hungry. So look, if we can communicate,
[2:06:17] Speaker 5: teach dogs to communicate with us and understand us and
[2:06:20] Speaker 5: us understand them, these, if they're supposedly that highly intelligent,
[2:06:27] Speaker 5: could figure out a way to communicate with us. And
[2:06:29] Speaker 5: I think that it wouldn't be, I don't think there's
[2:06:32] Speaker 5: any difficulty or any doorway there to have to break
[2:06:37] Speaker 5: down as far as that communication goes. I think they
[2:06:40] Speaker 5: could very easily. I think it's just that they choose
[2:06:42] Speaker 5: not to for whatever reason. And in regards to that,
[2:06:46] Speaker 5: another stupid thing that I hear is the prime directive. People,
[2:06:50] Speaker 5: Star Trek was fiction. The prime directive is fiction. It's
[2:06:54] Speaker 5: not real. The aliens are not under a prime directive
[2:06:58] Speaker 5: not to interfere with us. If they were, they wouldn't
[2:07:00] Speaker 5: be abducting us and taking us and mutilating our cattle
[2:07:03] Speaker 5: and so on and so forth. So, you know, get
[2:07:06] Speaker 5: your head out of the science fiction programs and stop
[2:07:09] Speaker 5: trying to apply it to reality here because it doesn't work. So,
[2:07:14] Speaker 5: you know, we just we have to understand that. I
[2:07:18] Speaker 5: firmly believe that they have the ability to communicate with us.
[2:07:20] Speaker 5: They just choose for whatever reason not to. It doesn't
[2:07:23] Speaker 5: have anything to do with any prime directive or anything
[2:07:25] Speaker 5: like that. If it did, they wouldn't be interfering in
[2:07:28] Speaker 5: our lives. There wouldn't be near misses with pilots. I've
[2:07:33] Speaker 5: read one account where a UFO hit a plane, knocked
[2:07:36] Speaker 5: it out of the sky, and the pilot died. These
[2:07:39] Speaker 5: are very credible reports. And so, you know, if they
[2:07:44] Speaker 5: were were trying not to affect life on this planet
[2:07:49] Speaker 5: these things wouldn't be happening and in my fourth book
[2:07:52] Speaker 5: I write I write at length in my fourth book
[2:07:55] Speaker 5: which will be out next year about UFOs some of
[2:07:58] Speaker 5: the perspectives on them some of the things that I
[2:08:00] Speaker 5: think about and just just some common sense some logical
[2:08:04] Speaker 5: and reasonable things about it you know and and one
[2:08:06] Speaker 5: of the things is like it's well documented that UFOs
[2:08:10] Speaker 5: over more than one Air Force base and over more
[2:08:15] Speaker 5: bases than just in the U.S. this has happened in
[2:08:17] Speaker 5: Ukraine and other places and where the UFOs have hovered
[2:08:20] Speaker 5: over a nuclear base and shut the missiles down, taking
[2:08:23] Speaker 5: them offline. And people are always saying, oh gosh, you know,
[2:08:27] Speaker 5: that's just, that's a message of love and peace. Like, look,
[2:08:31] Speaker 5: we can take this power away and you don't need this.
[2:08:33] Speaker 5: You need to be thinking about other ways to live
[2:08:35] Speaker 5: on earth. Well, if that were the case, they would
[2:08:38] Speaker 5: have stopped us at Trinity, which was our first atomic test,
[2:08:42] Speaker 5: nuclear test, which was 70 frigging years ago. It's been
[2:08:48] Speaker 5: 70 years since Trinity. And all we've done is proliferate
[2:08:52] Speaker 5: and grow and vaporize people with nuclear weapons and develop
[2:08:55] Speaker 5: more and more destructive means. If they really cared about
[2:08:58] Speaker 5: our growth on this planet and shutting down this nuclear thing, saying, hey, guys,
[2:09:02] Speaker 5: you guys are going to destroy yourselves, they would have
[2:09:04] Speaker 5: made a lot more intervention than that by early on.
[2:09:07] Speaker 5: Because like I say, this has been going on for
[2:09:09] Speaker 5: 70 years now. So you have to apply common sense
[2:09:13] Speaker 5: and reason and logic to.
[2:09:14] Speaker 4: This, you know.
[2:09:16] Speaker 1: I've been going back and forth on the extraterrestrial phenomena
[2:09:20] Speaker 1: for a long time. I 100% believe in non-human intelligence
[2:09:24] Speaker 1: and entities, whether they're coming from different planets or they're interdimensional.
[2:09:29] Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you. I lean more towards that there's
[2:09:32] Speaker 1: a spectrum of life beyond our vision that we can't
[2:09:36] Speaker 1: perceive that's always surrounding us, not necessarily coming from outer space,
[2:09:41] Speaker 1: but I try to keep an open mind with the extraterrestrials,
[2:09:44] Speaker 1: especially with the disclosure, but there has been a lot
[2:09:49] Speaker 1: of deception associated with our military industrial complex with this
[2:09:53] Speaker 1: information before and a lot of the information in general
[2:09:58] Speaker 1: that comes out about the media about our reality. So
[2:10:01] Speaker 1: they don't have the best track record about telling the
[2:10:03] Speaker 1: truth about things.
[2:10:04] Speaker 4: Exactly.
[2:10:05] Speaker 1: Which you would call conspiracy theorists right now are saying–
[2:10:09] Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorists that used to say, oh, the government
[2:10:12] Speaker 1: is hiding the existence of aliens from us. Now they're
[2:10:14] Speaker 1: saying the government is creating the UFOs and aliens, and
[2:10:17] Speaker 1: it's all a deception. So there's a lot of convolution.
[2:10:21] Speaker 1: There's a lot of disinformation right now, and it's hard
[2:10:24] Speaker 1: to tell what the truth is. So I think we
[2:10:27] Speaker 1: have to pay very close attention to the future of
[2:10:29] Speaker 1: this right now.
[2:10:30] Speaker 2: It's very interesting.
[2:10:32] Speaker 5: We do. and I think one way to get around
[2:10:36] Speaker 5: the government's creating this argument is if you go back
[2:10:41] Speaker 5: in history before there was any type of advanced technology
[2:10:50] Speaker 5: on this planet before there were cars or before there
[2:10:52] Speaker 5: were planes or before there was anything else there were
[2:10:56] Speaker 5: these craft flying in the sky interacting with people and
[2:11:00] Speaker 5: doing these incredible maneuvers so that does away with the
[2:11:03] Speaker 5: theory that, oh, our government did it. Well, our government
[2:11:07] Speaker 5: didn't have the capability to do it back in the
[2:11:10] Speaker 5: 1800s or the 1600s or the 1400s or whatever. That
[2:11:16] Speaker 5: technology was not extant on this planet during that timeframe.
[2:11:21] Speaker 5: And so people have always interacted with these craft, always
[2:11:25] Speaker 5: seen these craft. It's always been there. So that tells
[2:11:29] Speaker 5: me that it's something objective out there. It's not anything
[2:11:33] Speaker 5: we're doing. And I agree with you. I think there's
[2:11:36] Speaker 5: a lot of interdimensionality there that we have yet to explore.
[2:11:40] Speaker 5: But I also believe that these craft and these beings
[2:11:44] Speaker 5: come from other planets, that there's other life out there
[2:11:46] Speaker 5: on other planets, and that some of that is extraterrestrial
[2:11:52] Speaker 5: as well as interdimensional. So I think that at this
[2:11:55] Speaker 5: stage of the game, you're absolutely correct in saying, look,
[2:11:59] Speaker 5: We have to be open to all the possibilities. We
[2:12:02] Speaker 5: can't say, oh, we know it's this, we know it's that.
[2:12:04] Speaker 5: We don't know. We do know that it's out there,
[2:12:08] Speaker 5: that it's been around longer than any government on the
[2:12:10] Speaker 5: planet said the technology created. So we know that it
[2:12:14] Speaker 5: is a separate entity from us. We can say that
[2:12:17] Speaker 5: with confidence. But then what it is and so on
[2:12:20] Speaker 5: and so forth, we don't know. And it's the same
[2:12:25] Speaker 5: thing with the spiritual realm and interacting with various beings
[2:12:28] Speaker 5: and entities and things. We get these little glimpses. We
[2:12:31] Speaker 5: get incomplete information. We don't get everything we want. And
[2:12:35] Speaker 5: there could be a number of reasons for that. For
[2:12:37] Speaker 5: one thing, you know, I would like to sit every
[2:12:40] Speaker 5: day and communicate with the other side and do all
[2:12:44] Speaker 5: of these things. But I have to eat and I've
[2:12:47] Speaker 5: got to read for my clients and I have to
[2:12:49] Speaker 5: write on these books so they don't get out. And
[2:12:51] Speaker 5: then I've got to take the car in for service.
[2:12:53] Speaker 5: And then, you know, this and this and this and this.
[2:12:55] Speaker 5: So we have all these interruptions. that prevent us from
[2:12:59] Speaker 5: sitting down devoting time to this. And then, as I've
[2:13:03] Speaker 5: always told people, you know, when I was a young man,
[2:13:07] Speaker 5: I met a guy there in West Texas where I
[2:13:10] Speaker 5: grew up that had a shortwave radio, a ham radio.
[2:13:14] Speaker 5: And on a clear night when conditions were perfect, we
[2:13:18] Speaker 5: would sit and talk to people in England or Australia,
[2:13:22] Speaker 5: clear around the world. And it was as clear as
[2:13:24] Speaker 5: a bell. They sounded like they were right in the
[2:13:26] Speaker 5: room with us and we might talk 15 or 20 minutes.
[2:13:29] Speaker 5: And then the next night, he might have difficulty raising
[2:13:32] Speaker 5: somebody across town. So a lot of it has to
[2:13:36] Speaker 5: do with these atmospheric conditions. And I think you can
[2:13:40] Speaker 5: transliterate that into the spiritual realm and the difficulty we
[2:13:44] Speaker 5: have there in creating just the right conditions and making
[2:13:48] Speaker 5: that connection to get that communication between the visible and
[2:13:52] Speaker 5: the invisible realm.
[2:13:53] Speaker 1: John, this was fantastic. Go out, everyone, check out the book.
[2:13:59] Speaker 1: Before you head out, John, let everyone know what's the
[2:14:03] Speaker 1: best way to get all your content.
[2:14:07] Speaker 5: All right. You can go to johnrussell.net, and it's all
[2:14:12] Speaker 5: one word, J-O-H-N-R-U-S-S-E-L-L, no spaces, johnrussell.net. Links are there to
[2:14:18] Speaker 5: my books. Links are there to get a reading if
[2:14:20] Speaker 5: you want a reading. More information about me than you'll
[2:14:24] Speaker 5: ever want to know is on my website. And then
[2:14:27] Speaker 5: the books, all are available at amazon.com right now and
[2:14:32] Speaker 5: at Barnes & Noble as well. You can get my
[2:14:35] Speaker 5: first book, Writing with Ghosts, Angels and the Spirits of
[2:14:37] Speaker 5: the Dead. Second book, A Knock in the Attic. The
[2:14:40] Speaker 5: new book, 20 Ways to Increase Your Psychic Abilities. All
[2:14:43] Speaker 5: of those are available online at Amazon, Barnes & Noble.
[2:14:47] Speaker 5: You can go to, I have a dedicated website, For
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[2:14:58] Speaker 5: a knock in the attic, it's a knockintheattic.net. And then
[2:15:02] Speaker 5: for 20 ways to increase your psychic abilities, it's 20ways. net
[2:15:07] Speaker 5: with 20 spelled out. T-W-E-N-T-Y, 20ways. net. And each dedicated page
[2:15:15] Speaker 5: for each book has links there where you can buy it,
[2:15:18] Speaker 5: like at Amazon, Books and Media, Barnes & Noble, A books,
[2:15:23] Speaker 5: the first two books are available on Apple Books, so
[2:15:26] Speaker 5: on and so forth. So there's a wide range of
[2:15:29] Speaker 5: options there for people that want to buy the books.
[2:15:32] Speaker 5: Right now, 20 Ways to Increase Your Psychic Abilities has
[2:15:35] Speaker 5: just dropped. So it's working its way via Ingram through
[2:15:40] Speaker 5: all the distribution systems and it'll be available more and
[2:15:44] Speaker 5: more as time goes by. Like the first two books
[2:15:46] Speaker 5: are available online at Target and Walmart even. But, you know,
[2:15:50] Speaker 5: everything has to work its way through the distribution system.
[2:15:52] Speaker 5: But right now, you can go today and get 20
[2:15:55] Speaker 5: Ways at Amazon or Barnes & Noble. So 20ways. net, and
[2:15:59] Speaker 5: that'll give you links. You can go check the book
[2:16:02] Speaker 5: out there.
[2:16:04] Speaker 2: Excellent.
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