# Brother Gregory | Mystery Babylon Unfolding, Covenants of the "gods", True Doctrine of Christ

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 24 Aug 2026, 1 h 23 min.

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[1:35] Speaker 1: Today my guest is Brother Gregory Williams. Be sure and
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[2:00] Speaker 1: Knowledgeynews at gmail dot com. Today I want to welcome
[2:04] Speaker 1: Brother Gregory Williams. He is author of several books and
[2:08] Speaker 1: has appeared on numerous radio and television programs. His work
[2:12] Speaker 1: explores the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, man's relationship
[2:16] Speaker 1: with the God of Creation and the gods of the world,
[2:20] Speaker 1: bringing a new perspective and light to the spiritual nature
[2:23] Speaker 1: of reality. Gregory, Welcome how you doing.
[2:27] Speaker 2: Okay, how are you doing?
[2:29] Speaker 1: I'm doing excellent. It is great to have you on.
[2:32] Speaker 1: You bring a very refreshing and unique perspective to spirituality, Christianity,
[2:37] Speaker 1: and the spiritual nature of reality. You've studied a hidden
[2:42] Speaker 1: and suppressed history of the Church, as well as Jesus' teaching,
[2:46] Speaker 1: which in my perspective, provides essential puzzle pieces that have
[2:51] Speaker 1: been intentionally removed from most theological history. I believe right
[2:55] Speaker 1: now we're in a critical crossroads in humanity, long overdue
[3:00] Speaker 1: for us to have a better understanding of our spiritual reality.
[3:04] Speaker 1: I've been on a spiritual journey for almost a decade.
[3:07] Speaker 1: Now I have more questions and answers, so I'm very
[3:11] Speaker 1: much looking forward to getting your insights into this. Before
[3:13] Speaker 1: we get into it, tell us just a little bit
[3:16] Speaker 1: about yourself and let the audience know how they can
[3:18] Speaker 1: find out more.
[3:21] Speaker 2: Well.
[3:23] Speaker 3: I'm three quarters of a century old plus, so I've
[3:26] Speaker 3: been around for a while.
[3:28] Speaker 2: I was a precocious child.
[3:29] Speaker 3: I would have been on ridlin and had they invented
[3:32] Speaker 3: it yet, but I was born long enough ago they
[3:35] Speaker 3: hadn't invented such abominations. So my parents just became saints
[3:41] Speaker 3: putting up with me. But I don't see things quite
[3:46] Speaker 3: the same as everybody else does. I suppose I on
[3:50] Speaker 3: the spectrum somewhere, whatever that means. But I thought everybody
[3:55] Speaker 3: else saw you know, you think everybody else has seen
[3:59] Speaker 3: what you're seeing. But I kind of see things in
[4:03] Speaker 3: pictures and images, and so I have to translate over
[4:07] Speaker 3: into language, which gives me a different perspective of language.
[4:12] Speaker 2: I kind of have.
[4:14] Speaker 3: Their original dictionary, Johnson's dictionary, he says.
[4:20] Speaker 2: At the beginning of it.
[4:20] Speaker 3: And I quoted in one of my books, is words
[4:24] Speaker 3: are symbols of ideas, and symbols are pictures again, and
[4:32] Speaker 3: pictures worth a thousand words, you know. So we have
[4:34] Speaker 3: all these like sayings. So I see things a little
[4:38] Speaker 3: bit different. But I wanted to know what the truth was.
[4:42] Speaker 3: I want to know what the hidden knowledge was that
[4:44] Speaker 3: nobody seemed to be able to tell me. And so
[4:47] Speaker 3: I was a question asker and all this stuff. But
[4:50] Speaker 3: I grew up in Texas on the bios.
[4:54] Speaker 2: And affair. My father was a lawyer, my mother was
[4:58] Speaker 2: from Norway and in North Dakota, and.
[5:04] Speaker 3: They I think, I think that we're all a product
[5:09] Speaker 3: of things beyond our vision. Beyond our ability to see.
[5:14] Speaker 3: And so anyway, I grew up in that environment, eventually
[5:16] Speaker 3: studied to be a priest. I went in the seminary
[5:18] Speaker 3: at thirteen, studied at Saint Joseph's College. There I met
[5:22] Speaker 3: people that I think were put in my life, kind
[5:26] Speaker 3: of a Siddartha type.
[5:30] Speaker 2: Approach to things, that I can go out and.
[5:33] Speaker 3: Look under every rock, or just wait and God will
[5:36] Speaker 3: send me the answer if I have patience to wait
[5:40] Speaker 3: for it, I mean. And so I began to see things,
[5:45] Speaker 3: and a number of years ago I ended up out
[5:47] Speaker 3: in the desert raising sheep and a family. And I
[5:52] Speaker 3: knew that's where I was going to end up when
[5:54] Speaker 3: I was seven, but I didn't know exactly. You know,
[5:59] Speaker 3: I said the images of it, but I didn't know
[6:02] Speaker 3: exactly what those images mean until life unfolds. But one
[6:07] Speaker 3: day I asked, you know that I couldn't get something.
[6:10] Speaker 3: I couldn't figure things out. Very intellectual in a lot
[6:13] Speaker 3: of ways, and I actually knelt down out on the
[6:17] Speaker 3: desert and said, God, I cannot figure this out.
[6:20] Speaker 2: You have to show me.
[6:22] Speaker 3: And that's an admission that we can't figure it out
[6:25] Speaker 3: by our own knowledge, our own ability, that it has
[6:29] Speaker 3: to be revealed. Truth has to be revealed. Truth is
[6:33] Speaker 3: not information. We can have information, but truth is how
[6:38] Speaker 3: that information is put together.
[6:40] Speaker 2: And within.
[6:44] Speaker 3: A couple of days law books showed up on my doorstep,
[6:47] Speaker 3: I mean a stack three foot high, and I began
[6:50] Speaker 3: to page through them during my bright time and doing
[6:53] Speaker 3: the chores of farming on the desert, And in three
[6:58] Speaker 3: months I was willing to writing the book the Covenants
[7:01] Speaker 3: of the Gods, which is the contractual nature of man's
[7:06] Speaker 3: relationship with the world and the government, etc.
[7:10] Speaker 2: And heard lots of things. I eventually took it to
[7:14] Speaker 2: somebody I.
[7:14] Speaker 3: Knew all my life, my father, who wrote law books,
[7:18] Speaker 3: was a lawyer, and said, what do you think? And
[7:22] Speaker 3: he went through and was reading the first chapters and
[7:26] Speaker 3: came back and said, you're right, but they're not going
[7:30] Speaker 3: to like you. So if you're looking for the truth,
[7:34] Speaker 3: you're going to probably rub somebody the wrong. But anyway,
[7:41] Speaker 3: so that's kind of a refrundown. Eventually I left the seminary.
[7:45] Speaker 3: I didn't do it in anger or resenting the church
[7:49] Speaker 3: or anything like that. I just grew beyond what they
[7:54] Speaker 3: had to offer. It was very important that I went
[7:56] Speaker 3: through that got to see inside you. I said, I've
[8:00] Speaker 3: met people in the Vatican, went to every one of
[8:03] Speaker 3: the Vatican two conferences, and they gave me a very
[8:10] Speaker 3: unique insight. We both loved old books and ancient writings,
[8:15] Speaker 3: and you had to know other languages, otherwise you're a
[8:19] Speaker 3: victim of translators. And there's an old saying talk about
[8:23] Speaker 3: old sayings. Translators are traders, and whether they want to
[8:27] Speaker 3: be or not, they come with an agenda and they
[8:30] Speaker 3: tell you what these words mean. And that's kind of
[8:33] Speaker 3: a theme you'll find through all our website at His
[8:35] Speaker 3: Holy Church dot org. We have His Holy Church dot net.
[8:38] Speaker 3: It's just kind of a mirror's site. We have Preparing
[8:41] Speaker 3: You dot com. We're on Exit. His Holy Church were
[8:48] Speaker 3: on Facebook, the same thing His Holy Church. I have
[8:51] Speaker 3: my own individual account.
[8:53] Speaker 2: You can find us.
[8:54] Speaker 3: But we open up a network where we're trying to
[8:56] Speaker 3: get people to be in contact not just through the Internet,
[9:00] Speaker 3: not just to social media, but actually physically connected in
[9:05] Speaker 3: a network all around the world and doing what that
[9:10] Speaker 3: first century church did, because that's one of the forbid
[9:14] Speaker 3: knowledge is that people don't want to know what was
[9:16] Speaker 3: their early church actually doing, what was Israel actually doing?
[9:21] Speaker 2: And we can get into that and.
[9:25] Speaker 3: It like it will make some people angry and it
[9:29] Speaker 3: will make some people happy to hear the truth. So anyway,
[9:33] Speaker 3: so now I'm like I say, three quarters of the
[9:36] Speaker 3: century old. I've got six kids, more than a dozen grandkids,
[9:42] Speaker 3: great grandkids, and they're all doing well, and so I
[9:51] Speaker 3: want to see the same for everybody else. So anyway,
[9:54] Speaker 3: we'll find out.
[9:55] Speaker 2: More as we go.
[9:56] Speaker 1: Yes, sir, you just mentioned the first and Church. We
[10:01] Speaker 1: look at theology, spiritual belief systems. Just Christianity has over
[10:08] Speaker 1: forty thousand denominations something like that. Would you say that
[10:12] Speaker 1: it's safe to see we could go back to the
[10:14] Speaker 1: first century and there was a better universal understanding of
[10:20] Speaker 1: these spiritual systems.
[10:23] Speaker 3: Oh, in the first century Church. Absolutely, they I mean
[10:27] Speaker 3: they walked with Christ. They and Jesus says, you know,
[10:30] Speaker 3: I talked to you in parables, to the people in parables.
[10:35] Speaker 3: But it's because it's not given to them to understand
[10:38] Speaker 3: the mysteries. That's the translation, the mysteries, the secrets of
[10:42] Speaker 3: the Kingdom of God, the forbidden knowledge, so to speak.
[10:48] Speaker 3: But it can be given to them. It's given to
[10:52] Speaker 3: them by the comforter, by the Holy Spirit. By revelation.
[10:55] Speaker 2: And this is true.
[10:57] Speaker 3: Way back, you go all the way back to the
[10:59] Speaker 3: garden of knowledge, tree of life, tree of knowledge. We
[11:03] Speaker 3: weren't to eat of trees were sources. The word in
[11:06] Speaker 3: the Hebrew for sources was trees. You got fruit from trees,
[11:10] Speaker 3: wood from trees, firewood from trees, medicines from trees. Everything
[11:15] Speaker 3: was from trees. So it's a source.
[11:17] Speaker 2: So that you're to learn and understand what is.
[11:22] Speaker 3: Right and wrong for you to do on a day
[11:24] Speaker 3: to day, moment by moment basis based on the tree
[11:29] Speaker 3: of life, which is revelation, the divine spark, the light.
[11:33] Speaker 2: These are all.
[11:34] Speaker 3: Symbols of underlying reality in our existence. And every one
[11:41] Speaker 3: of us receives revelation at one time or another. But
[11:45] Speaker 3: it's like, but people get up and dust themselves off
[11:50] Speaker 3: and don't realize it was revelation.
[11:52] Speaker 2: I mean, you get it.
[11:53] Speaker 3: People's hair on the back of my head stood up
[11:55] Speaker 3: when that guy came into the room. Well, what's what
[11:59] Speaker 3: the fuck, hollcles, It's not really the hair, it's something
[12:04] Speaker 3: in you. That sence is something's wrong with no evidence,
[12:09] Speaker 3: no physical knowledge or evidence.
[12:12] Speaker 2: And so we do all do it, but we don't
[12:15] Speaker 2: do it all the.
[12:16] Speaker 3: Time, and the less we do it, the more likely
[12:19] Speaker 3: we are to stumble or to fail, or to be
[12:22] Speaker 3: deceived or to be led down a path that's not
[12:26] Speaker 3: a primrose path but a path of poison. And the
[12:29] Speaker 3: news we just had some lady strangled her children and
[12:34] Speaker 3: then tried to commit suicide, and everybody's all upset. And
[12:37] Speaker 3: I saw some demonstrators out there saying the system failed her.
[12:42] Speaker 2: Well, no, you failed her.
[12:46] Speaker 3: All these thousands of people coming to her aid, Now
[12:49] Speaker 3: where were they when she needed help? Obviously her family
[12:53] Speaker 3: was bury into health, exercise, you know, and all those things,
[12:59] Speaker 3: young people trying to improve things. But she was on
[13:04] Speaker 3: ten psychotic drugs given to her all by women physicians,
[13:12] Speaker 3: and that the solution was within her all the time,
[13:17] Speaker 3: but nobody was showing her, nobody was helping her. Everybody
[13:20] Speaker 3: was leading her in the wrong direction. I mean, I'm
[13:23] Speaker 3: not taking away her responsibility in it, but the fact
[13:26] Speaker 3: is she probably was completely out of control when this happened.
[13:30] Speaker 3: But how did she get I mean, like, if you
[13:32] Speaker 3: get into a car when you're drunk, you're still held
[13:35] Speaker 3: responsible for the people you kill while you're drunk because
[13:40] Speaker 3: you weren't supposed to do that. But the fact is this,
[13:45] Speaker 3: the early Church was communities. They were being persecuted. What
[13:50] Speaker 3: was the Christian conflict? If we understood the Christian conflict today,
[13:55] Speaker 3: those forty thousand denominations would start to melt away and
[13:59] Speaker 3: we would actually be doing and most of the problems
[14:01] Speaker 3: in the world would melt away. But the Christian conflict
[14:05] Speaker 3: is what Christians would not eat at the table of Caesar.
[14:09] Speaker 3: They would not sign up for the free bread of Caesar.
[14:13] Speaker 3: They were rightly dividing the bread from house to house.
[14:16] Speaker 3: What bread the bread that came through free will offerings
[14:19] Speaker 3: and donations. This was the theme of the bondage of
[14:23] Speaker 3: Egypt versus early Israel. This was the theme of what
[14:28] Speaker 3: the corbin of the Pharisees and Herod was. It was
[14:31] Speaker 3: a system of social welfare through men who exercise the authority,
[14:37] Speaker 3: who will pay for your prescription drugs so that they
[14:41] Speaker 3: can put you on all these toxins so that you
[14:45] Speaker 3: end up out of your mind. But Christianity was taking
[14:50] Speaker 3: care of the needy of society through faith, hope, and charity.
[14:53] Speaker 3: The world takes care of the needy of society through force, fear,
[14:58] Speaker 3: and fealty. Being merchandise, and Peter said it to covet
[15:04] Speaker 3: this practices, you will be made merchandise human resources. And
[15:10] Speaker 3: we go back to the Old Testament, through the Hebrew,
[15:12] Speaker 3: through the Greek, through the history of the time, through
[15:15] Speaker 3: the archaeology, and we show you that the altars of
[15:19] Speaker 3: Abraham and Moses were not piles of dead stone, but
[15:25] Speaker 3: the stones represented people. The same word in the Hebrew
[15:28] Speaker 3: for a gathering of friends is the same word for
[15:32] Speaker 3: a gathering of stones. And we can't go through it
[15:37] Speaker 3: all here, but we have hundreds, I don't know, probably
[15:41] Speaker 3: thousands of recordings, hundreds of articles, thousands of footnotes leading
[15:46] Speaker 3: you from article to articles, so you begin to find
[15:49] Speaker 3: out the meaning of the words. You didn't have to
[15:52] Speaker 3: change the trands, the original text, the scripture, you could
[15:57] Speaker 3: keep that. But if you change the way that people
[16:00] Speaker 3: see the words, you can change their ideas and you
[16:06] Speaker 3: can lead them astray. And so anyway that we're just
[16:10] Speaker 3: trying to show people the way back. It doesn't make
[16:12] Speaker 3: any difference. If I tell you you memorize it, you
[16:16] Speaker 3: have to walk it, and that walking Jesus says, it's
[16:20] Speaker 3: not those who say Lord Lord, like those forty thousand denominations.
[16:24] Speaker 3: But those who do with the will of my Father
[16:27] Speaker 3: and theirs actual denominations say, oh, there's nothing you have
[16:30] Speaker 3: to do.
[16:31] Speaker 2: You just have to think of thought and you're saved.
[16:35] Speaker 2: That's not what Jesus said. So I'm sick of with Jesus.
[16:40] Speaker 1: So would you say the ruling class of the time
[16:44] Speaker 1: was altering these doctrines in order to have the masses
[16:49] Speaker 1: lose their understanding of these original spiritual practices. Not necessarily
[16:57] Speaker 1: outright changing them, but altering the wording in a way
[17:02] Speaker 1: that it loses its true meaning.
[17:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always that from the beginning, you know, the deceiver.
[17:10] Speaker 3: I was this morning, you know, I get up very early,
[17:13] Speaker 3: and I was working on an article that I've been
[17:15] Speaker 3: working on off and on for years. Because we go
[17:18] Speaker 3: through we're going through different books of the Bible, and
[17:22] Speaker 3: chapter by chapter, word by word often and you come
[17:26] Speaker 3: across certain words like dragon, and so I was working
[17:30] Speaker 3: on an article on dragon to try to understand and
[17:32] Speaker 3: there's all kinds of different words that are translated dragon
[17:36] Speaker 3: and in the Hebrew letters have a meaning. And you'll see,
[17:39] Speaker 3: you know, a basic word like taelve noun two letters,
[17:46] Speaker 3: and it can be translated dragon, whale, monster, sea, monster, serpent, jackal,
[17:55] Speaker 3: all that single little two letter word.
[17:58] Speaker 2: But most Hebrew words are three letters.
[18:01] Speaker 3: But that's a two letter word, and today if you
[18:03] Speaker 3: were to say the word jackal, you would use that
[18:05] Speaker 3: two letter word. But in almost every case the word
[18:10] Speaker 3: is four or five letters long because they're adding these
[18:13] Speaker 3: letters to add nuance to the meaning.
[18:16] Speaker 2: They're drawing a picture. Again, back to that words are
[18:19] Speaker 2: symbols of ideas, and unlike.
[18:22] Speaker 3: English and Greek, Hebrew actually is constructing a picture with
[18:28] Speaker 3: those group of letters. When you look in your concordance,
[18:31] Speaker 3: they're just going to show you the base word. They're
[18:33] Speaker 3: not going to show you the actual text. When you
[18:35] Speaker 3: get the actual text, you can actually start seeing pictures
[18:40] Speaker 3: being drawn by the author in the text. And so
[18:44] Speaker 3: everybody's not going to get that, and so we put
[18:48] Speaker 3: it down so that you can.
[18:50] Speaker 2: Look at that.
[18:51] Speaker 3: Ultimately, you have to tap into the same source that
[18:54] Speaker 3: I tapped into, that the profit's tapped into. And a
[18:57] Speaker 3: lot of those people you're talking about, the hierarchy, the rulers,
[19:01] Speaker 3: there were some rulers who just we just went to
[19:04] Speaker 3: the Silitan martyrs, which were killed about one hundred and
[19:07] Speaker 3: eighty ad haads cut off. There were twelve of them altogether,
[19:11] Speaker 3: but we have the trial of six of them and
[19:15] Speaker 3: we go through it. You know, that's in Latin, so
[19:18] Speaker 3: we go through it word by word and show you
[19:21] Speaker 3: what they were actually talking about, because they had their
[19:24] Speaker 3: heads cut off because they would not take an.
[19:26] Speaker 2: Oath swearing by the genius of Caesar. And this was.
[19:34] Speaker 3: Done by a local governor in Africa. He died within
[19:38] Speaker 3: that year. He went blind and died within that year,
[19:41] Speaker 3: and a lot of people believe that he was struck
[19:44] Speaker 3: down because of what he did to the martyrs, and
[19:46] Speaker 3: so a lot less judges were willing to try Christians.
[19:51] Speaker 2: After that because they felt a danger to it.
[19:54] Speaker 3: But the real insidious warping of the Gospel is by
[20:00] Speaker 3: people who claim they believe in the Gospel, but twisted distorted.
[20:07] Speaker 3: When they came out with a printing press, it started
[20:10] Speaker 3: translating the Hebrew and Greek texts into English. You know,
[20:16] Speaker 3: Henry the Eighth commissioned Tyndale to do that, and then
[20:22] Speaker 3: when they started seeing what he was coming up with,
[20:25] Speaker 3: they cut out his tongue and burned about the stake,
[20:29] Speaker 3: because well, we didn't want you to translate it that way.
[20:33] Speaker 3: So they came up with their own translation, which is
[20:35] Speaker 3: the King James, which I use all the time for consistency.
[20:39] Speaker 3: But I also show you, well, wait a minute, they
[20:42] Speaker 3: translate this word ten different ways, and they translate these
[20:47] Speaker 3: four different Hebrew words are Greek words into the same
[20:52] Speaker 3: English word. Well, we're missing something. And ultimately I know
[20:57] Speaker 3: that you're only going to get this if you received
[20:59] Speaker 3: that revelations. So the key thing is when you go
[21:03] Speaker 3: back to Samuel, when they first wanted to have a king,
[21:06] Speaker 3: that hierarchy. They had no king in Israel for hundreds
[21:10] Speaker 3: of years.
[21:11] Speaker 2: All of a sudden, they said, we want to have
[21:12] Speaker 2: a king like all the other nations.
[21:14] Speaker 3: We want to have a ruler like all the other nations,
[21:17] Speaker 3: somebody who can exercise authority one over the other and
[21:21] Speaker 3: straighten out the corruption. You know, Saul was their doge
[21:26] Speaker 3: to get rid of the corruption and their government instead
[21:30] Speaker 3: of doing it the way they were it was designed
[21:33] Speaker 3: to do it.
[21:33] Speaker 2: They didn't want to do that.
[21:34] Speaker 3: They wanted somebody else to do it for them, and
[21:36] Speaker 3: of course they had to give them power to do that,
[21:38] Speaker 3: and power corrupts, and right away, next you know, he's
[21:42] Speaker 3: forcing an offering, which is actually.
[21:45] Speaker 2: Taxing the people.
[21:47] Speaker 3: Until then, there were no taxes in the government of Israel.
[21:51] Speaker 3: They defeated everybody who came after them, but they had
[21:54] Speaker 3: no taxes. How did they survive like that? Well, that's
[21:58] Speaker 3: actually a theme of Abraham, and most people don't see it,
[22:01] Speaker 3: they don't read it. Abraham was following Malchisedek. He was
[22:06] Speaker 3: tithing to Malchisedic. No, Kizidek's not a name. Malkisedic is
[22:11] Speaker 3: a title. It means righteous king. He wasn't born, and
[22:16] Speaker 3: they gave him the name Righteous King. For thousands of years.
[22:21] Speaker 3: Most Jewish scholars interpreted Melchizedek was Shim, who by biblical
[22:26] Speaker 3: chronology was still alive at the time of Abraham. And
[22:30] Speaker 3: we don't know who Shim passed on his inheritance to
[22:36] Speaker 3: what you would call in the law corporeal and incorporeal heredients.
[22:40] Speaker 2: Who did he pass it on to.
[22:42] Speaker 3: Well, According to the Bible, Malchisedek blessed Abraham. So they
[22:47] Speaker 3: jumped nine generations to Abraham and he received that blessing.
[22:51] Speaker 3: Why because he was going the way of Melchisedek, where
[22:55] Speaker 3: he was running a government could raise an army overnight,
[23:01] Speaker 3: but he only received what was freely given, and Sodom
[23:08] Speaker 3: King Barah thought of the people as human resources. He says,
[23:12] Speaker 3: you keep this stuff, Abraham, you saved everybody, but just
[23:15] Speaker 3: give me the people back because he thought of them
[23:17] Speaker 3: as possessions.
[23:18] Speaker 2: And we've just gone through these Bible studies. You can
[23:21] Speaker 2: go back.
[23:21] Speaker 3: They're all recorded, footnotes and everything at preparing you. The
[23:25] Speaker 3: whole Bible is there. And Bara thought of people as
[23:30] Speaker 3: human resources. Even Terra, Abraham's father was called an idolator
[23:37] Speaker 3: because he built statues. But Paul tells you idolatry is covetousness.
[23:45] Speaker 3: An other places, he says, covetousness is idolatry.
[23:48] Speaker 2: What do they mean?
[23:49] Speaker 3: Covet desiring benefits at the expense of your neighbor through
[23:55] Speaker 3: men who exercise authority one over the other, rulers of
[24:01] Speaker 3: the earth. Proverbs tells you, if you sit and eat
[24:04] Speaker 3: with a ruler, and you be a man of appetite,
[24:07] Speaker 3: put a knife to your throat, for he serves you deceitful.
[24:11] Speaker 2: Meats, and then you'll be caught in the net.
[24:15] Speaker 3: David says, there is a table that should have been
[24:18] Speaker 3: for your welfare, but is a snare in a trap.
[24:22] Speaker 3: He said that in Psalms. Paul quotes that in the
[24:27] Speaker 3: New Testament talking about David said that a table should
[24:30] Speaker 3: be for your welfare, but it's actually a snare in
[24:33] Speaker 3: a trap. What is the snare in the trap? Well,
[24:35] Speaker 3: that's the way I wrote the book Comings of the Gods.
[24:37] Speaker 3: They show you that when you go to Caesar and
[24:40] Speaker 3: eat at his table, you create a relationship with Caesar
[24:45] Speaker 3: that binds you.
[24:47] Speaker 2: And if you add debt.
[24:48] Speaker 3: Onto that, you can't just say, well, I change my mind,
[24:51] Speaker 3: I don't want to be a member.
[24:53] Speaker 2: You got to pay back the debt we give you.
[24:55] Speaker 3: That. We bring all these events back then up into
[24:59] Speaker 3: the mono. The one child contract in China. We wrote
[25:02] Speaker 3: about that years ago, when before they estimate now that
[25:07] Speaker 3: China may only have five hundred million people in China, Yeah,
[25:11] Speaker 3: that they may not be a billion people, and I
[25:13] Speaker 3: can't guarantee one. I definitely think it's a lot less
[25:16] Speaker 3: than what they're saying. But that came from the one
[25:19] Speaker 3: child contract. From pollution from socialism. Socialism sterilizes the population.
[25:27] Speaker 3: Usually it will start dropping the birth rates. And even
[25:33] Speaker 3: Julius Caesar when they were bringing in these socialistic tactics
[25:36] Speaker 3: with Julius Caesar, and we go through that. We have
[25:40] Speaker 3: whole articles on that, recordings on that to show you
[25:42] Speaker 3: what he was actually doing, how he was rising to power,
[25:45] Speaker 3: how he was becoming wanted to become the emperot, you know,
[25:49] Speaker 3: and when he was stabbed on the day he was
[25:53] Speaker 3: to receive his crown as imperator, Emperor means commander in chief.
[25:59] Speaker 2: I remember that reading that back in the early sixties.
[26:03] Speaker 3: I still have the dictionary, my Collins Latin Dictionary, my
[26:07] Speaker 3: little cheap dictionary.
[26:08] Speaker 2: When I was in the seminary.
[26:11] Speaker 3: And I was looking up emperator and it says the
[26:15] Speaker 3: definition is commander in chief.
[26:18] Speaker 2: We've created a system in the United States.
[26:20] Speaker 3: And all over the world that is identical to the
[26:22] Speaker 3: Roman Empire, and it's having the same effect. Like the
[26:27] Speaker 3: woman who strangled her children, it's having the same effect
[26:31] Speaker 3: on us that we're strangling her society because we have
[26:36] Speaker 3: gone to men who exercise authority one over the other
[26:41] Speaker 3: to obtain free education, take care of my parents, Medicare, Medicaid,
[26:46] Speaker 3: all these benefits at the expense of our neighbors. Back
[26:52] Speaker 3: through those men who exercise authority, you're going to become
[26:55] Speaker 3: human resources yourself you're going to end up in sodom.
[26:59] Speaker 3: What happened in him isn't sodomy? Wasn't the sin of sodom.
[27:02] Speaker 3: It tells you in the Bible. The sin of sodom
[27:04] Speaker 3: was in a time of influence. They did not strengthen
[27:07] Speaker 3: the poor. Well, how do you strengthen the poor? Give
[27:11] Speaker 3: him lots of benefits?
[27:13] Speaker 2: No, we tried that, LBJ. I remember, LBJ. I raised
[27:18] Speaker 2: in Texas.
[27:20] Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I believe that I played
[27:23] Speaker 3: with Georgie Bush when he was about eight years old
[27:28] Speaker 3: at a barbecue on the frost trat, and I didn't
[27:33] Speaker 3: like him.
[27:35] Speaker 2: He kind of looked like Dennis and Minister in those days.
[27:39] Speaker 2: Now Dennis men, excuse me, the guy from.
[27:42] Speaker 1: Mad Oh yeah, Mad Magazine guy and.
[27:47] Speaker 2: Mad Magazine character, you know what me worry guy. I
[27:51] Speaker 2: can't remember his name. I'm bad at names.
[27:53] Speaker 3: But anyway, that's what he looked like, and he was
[27:56] Speaker 3: pretty obnoxious. We actually left that barbecue early because of
[27:59] Speaker 3: the some of the entertainment was pretty violent. But yeah,
[28:07] Speaker 3: my dad, I asked my dad once because we knew
[28:11] Speaker 3: all these people in politics. I mean, he grew up
[28:13] Speaker 3: with Shubert Humphrey in South Dakota. His best friend lived
[28:18] Speaker 3: in Hubert's house, and so we knew these people. When
[28:21] Speaker 3: I was going to get an appointment to Annapolis, I
[28:25] Speaker 3: was thinking about the military as a career at one
[28:27] Speaker 3: time police at one time that I was going to
[28:32] Speaker 3: get my appointment from Herbert Hubert Humphrey am I saying
[28:36] Speaker 3: that rung I probably twisted the name. But anyway, but
[28:43] Speaker 3: I asked him why he didn't go into politics, you
[28:45] Speaker 3: know all he says, Look, I'm dishonest enough to be
[28:48] Speaker 3: a lawyer, I'm not dishonest enough to be a politician.
[28:52] Speaker 3: So and he told me that when I was seven.
[28:55] Speaker 3: So like what am I supposed to make out of that?
[28:58] Speaker 3: But these are these are what I call Kodak moments
[29:01] Speaker 3: of my life. I can still remember the picture. I
[29:03] Speaker 3: can remember where I was standing when my dad told
[29:07] Speaker 3: me that. But these are little bits and pieces of
[29:11] Speaker 3: the puzzle and they have to fit. And the thing is,
[29:15] Speaker 3: I was studying the Bible in Greek and Hebrew and
[29:19] Speaker 3: Latin in the seminary, you know, way back when I
[29:24] Speaker 3: was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old, and I couldn't figure
[29:29] Speaker 3: out what I was missing. And then I met an
[29:34] Speaker 3: archbishop in the Roman Catholic Church, a different kind of guy,
[29:38] Speaker 3: completely different.
[29:39] Speaker 2: I won't go into all that. We can talk about
[29:41] Speaker 2: it somewhere else.
[29:42] Speaker 3: But he suddenly introduced the idea that everything I'm told
[29:49] Speaker 3: might be wrong. If you want to forbid people from
[29:54] Speaker 3: knowing something, you don't forbid them because they're going to
[29:58] Speaker 3: want to any he say, don't go in there, don't
[30:02] Speaker 3: look in the box.
[30:03] Speaker 2: They gotta go look in the box.
[30:06] Speaker 3: What you do is you give them something else that
[30:09] Speaker 3: just ain't so, and that satisfies them. And that's where
[30:15] Speaker 3: the church went wrong. I won't say the church went wrong,
[30:18] Speaker 3: but the false church. I have a whole article on
[30:21] Speaker 3: the Church of Constantine. There was a chain of thinking
[30:26] Speaker 3: that did not want to see the whole truth. This
[30:29] Speaker 3: is why Christ spoke in parable We can tie that
[30:31] Speaker 3: all together. Spoke in parables because you can interpret it
[30:35] Speaker 3: almost any way you want. Because if he told you
[30:41] Speaker 3: flat out, step by step, every piece of truth that
[30:46] Speaker 3: you need to know had it written down, so there
[30:49] Speaker 3: was no question about what he was saying. They would
[30:52] Speaker 3: have burned all the books years ago. But now we
[30:55] Speaker 3: can have heathens actually printing the book and giving it
[30:59] Speaker 3: to you. Ultimately, it goes back to that divine revelation,
[31:06] Speaker 3: that Holy Spirit that comforter that tree of life, and
[31:09] Speaker 3: so you have people meditating to find it. In one
[31:12] Speaker 3: of your programs, I was looking at you had somebody
[31:17] Speaker 3: on and was talking about meditation. People in India who
[31:21] Speaker 3: meditate all day and they actually can develop certain abilities
[31:27] Speaker 3: by this effort and concentration and focusing the mind, etc.
[31:33] Speaker 2: Etc. But do they really know the truth?
[31:37] Speaker 3: And you said it, I remember in the conversation you
[31:41] Speaker 3: brought it up, but it seems to defeat the whole
[31:43] Speaker 3: purpose of in.
[31:44] Speaker 2: The cave all day meditating.
[31:47] Speaker 3: Absolutely, you have to, and this why Christ says you
[31:50] Speaker 3: have to be a doer of the word, not just
[31:52] Speaker 3: a meditator upon it, a repeater of it.
[31:55] Speaker 2: And what is the word?
[31:56] Speaker 3: Christ came to sacrifice that others might live. The God
[32:01] Speaker 3: of Love is the God of life. No greater love. Therefore,
[32:06] Speaker 3: no greater life does a man have when he lays
[32:09] Speaker 3: down his life for his fellow man. And so the
[32:13] Speaker 3: structure of the early Church was you gather in tens
[32:16] Speaker 3: hundreds and thousands. Christ commanded that his ministers make the
[32:20] Speaker 3: people gather in these tens hundreds and thousands the same
[32:23] Speaker 3: way early.
[32:23] Speaker 2: Israel was organized, and they take care of one another.
[32:28] Speaker 3: They take care of the ten families, take care of
[32:32] Speaker 3: the ten families, but they also donate to a minister
[32:36] Speaker 3: of their choice.
[32:38] Speaker 2: Every day is voting day in the Kingdom of God.
[32:42] Speaker 2: You choose.
[32:43] Speaker 3: You know that this guy is really terrible, he's always
[32:45] Speaker 3: out of helping people. I want to help him help people.
[32:48] Speaker 3: I'm going to give him some of the means by
[32:51] Speaker 3: which to do that and support what he's doing. He's
[32:54] Speaker 3: not just jabbering about the Kingdom of God. He's actually
[32:58] Speaker 3: changing colostomy and taking care of people. So you support that,
[33:07] Speaker 3: and then he takes what he receives. But he gathers
[33:10] Speaker 3: with nine other ministers like himself. That's his congregation, and
[33:15] Speaker 3: eventually you create a whole network. The Romans organized in
[33:19] Speaker 3: the same fashion, two times organized in the same fashion.
[33:23] Speaker 3: Early America, Paul Revere was writing out there to warn
[33:28] Speaker 3: that the British are coming. He was going out to
[33:31] Speaker 3: tell the tithing men one in ten, and they would
[33:35] Speaker 3: go and tell the other guys, and they would tell
[33:37] Speaker 3: the other guys, and the next morning there'd be enough
[33:39] Speaker 3: guys that conquered and Alex unfortunately.
[33:44] Speaker 2: He got lost and didn't tell any he got lost
[33:48] Speaker 2: in the dark somebody else.
[33:50] Speaker 3: There were several other writers, but you know Paul Revere's
[33:55] Speaker 3: name or rhymed in the poem.
[33:58] Speaker 2: So he gets all the credit. But the reality is
[34:02] Speaker 2: that that's been That's how the.
[34:03] Speaker 3: Entire government of Great Britain was operating when Caesar showed up,
[34:10] Speaker 3: that they were operating through these tens, hundreds and thousands.
[34:14] Speaker 3: But in order to create the bonds, it's not contracts,
[34:18] Speaker 3: covenants and constitutions, it's charity. You're there for your neighbor,
[34:25] Speaker 3: those ten families. Your grandfather survived because your next door
[34:33] Speaker 3: neighbor's grandfather.
[34:35] Speaker 2: Saved his life.
[34:37] Speaker 3: And so therefore you create these social bonds of a
[34:41] Speaker 3: free society if you don't need each other in a community,
[34:46] Speaker 3: we don't need to know who our neighbor is in
[34:49] Speaker 3: Los Angeles.
[34:49] Speaker 2: When I lived in Los Angeles, you barely knew who
[34:53] Speaker 2: your neighbor was.
[34:55] Speaker 3: If you needed if you needed help or assistance, everybody
[34:58] Speaker 3: went to the government, and that breaks down society.
[35:02] Speaker 2: So there was an element in.
[35:05] Speaker 3: The church because this was Constantine, the first guy he
[35:09] Speaker 3: picked to be He didn't pick him, the people did,
[35:12] Speaker 3: but he allowed him to become a bishop Ambrose.
[35:17] Speaker 2: The people wanted to.
[35:18] Speaker 3: Everybody was going to have to become Christian, so they
[35:23] Speaker 3: were going to have to elect a bishop. And so
[35:25] Speaker 3: they go out looking for Ambrose because they knew Ambrose
[35:30] Speaker 3: was already in charge of the welfare system in Rome,
[35:33] Speaker 3: and they trusted Ambrose, and so they wanted him. So
[35:35] Speaker 3: they went they found him in a brothel. He was
[35:38] Speaker 3: in a brothel because he didn't get married, and he
[35:42] Speaker 3: never did get married. That's where celibacy comes from in
[35:46] Speaker 3: that Roman church. And that they asked him to be
[35:51] Speaker 3: the bishop in Milan, and he says, well, I got
[35:55] Speaker 3: to get permission of Caesars. It goes to ask Caesar,
[35:59] Speaker 3: and then Caesars says okay, and he says, but I
[36:02] Speaker 3: need time off for my regular duties because I don't
[36:06] Speaker 3: know anything about Christianity. So he went out and started
[36:09] Speaker 3: studying Christianity, and he came back with his version of
[36:13] Speaker 3: Christianity where he took lots of bits and pieces.
[36:17] Speaker 2: He wasn't conspiring, he was doing what he thought was right.
[36:21] Speaker 2: He was doing what he thought was good. He wasn't
[36:24] Speaker 2: following Christ.
[36:26] Speaker 3: He was being elected to a position by a punch
[36:30] Speaker 3: of people who also.
[36:31] Speaker 2: Didn't understand Christianity.
[36:33] Speaker 3: By a emperor who ordered everybody to become Christian, who
[36:39] Speaker 3: had just killed his own partner and confiscated all of
[36:42] Speaker 3: his wealth, and then he granted, we know exactly what
[36:47] Speaker 3: he did with that wealth, because I mean, we still
[36:49] Speaker 3: have the documents. He gave the equivalent of billions of
[36:53] Speaker 3: dollars to this new church. He was starting in property
[36:58] Speaker 3: in silver and buildings in lands to take over the
[37:03] Speaker 3: social welfare of Rome, to.
[37:07] Speaker 2: Not faith, hope and.
[37:08] Speaker 3: Charity, although that's what he was saying. Now you have
[37:11] Speaker 3: to contribute. If you don't contribute enough, there won't be enough, etc.
[37:16] Speaker 3: But it's the same guys who used to be supported
[37:19] Speaker 3: by taxes only. And of course he jumpstarts them by
[37:24] Speaker 3: killing his partner and actually in some cases invading whole
[37:29] Speaker 3: cities and ripping everybody off and that.
[37:32] Speaker 2: So he had lots of lands and gold and everything,
[37:35] Speaker 2: and silver.
[37:35] Speaker 3: He kept the gold usually, but he uses silver and
[37:38] Speaker 3: he gave it to the church so that they could
[37:40] Speaker 3: take care of the needy.
[37:42] Speaker 2: That's not the way Moses did it, that's not the
[37:45] Speaker 2: way Christ did it.
[37:47] Speaker 3: They jump started where you start sacrificing for one another
[37:51] Speaker 3: you start sharing with one another, and so that idea,
[37:56] Speaker 3: and right away we go through the whole history of it,
[37:59] Speaker 3: where some of the other bishops were withholding grain shipments
[38:02] Speaker 3: in Constantinople because everybody didn't believe in.
[38:05] Speaker 2: His version of the trinity. And so it creeps in
[38:10] Speaker 2: to your thinking.
[38:11] Speaker 3: You're still saying, we love Jesus, but then you start
[38:15] Speaker 3: coveting your neighbor's goods and you start regulating the lives
[38:19] Speaker 3: of other people and saying, well, you can't teach that anymore.
[38:24] Speaker 2: And so we're bringing the quotes that Jesus said.
[38:27] Speaker 3: You know, like Jesus said, you're not to be like
[38:29] Speaker 3: the governments of the gentiles, who call themselves benefactors, but
[38:35] Speaker 3: exercise authority one over the other. Those first bishops of
[38:39] Speaker 3: the Constantinian Church that there were nine hundred known bishops
[38:45] Speaker 3: at the time of the Council of Milan. We have
[38:50] Speaker 3: records of who they were, and they were all over
[38:52] Speaker 3: the Roman Empire and beyond. We don't know all of
[38:55] Speaker 3: them beyond, but we have an idea of who some
[38:58] Speaker 3: of them are. But there are at least nine hundred
[39:00] Speaker 3: known bishops. Some people make the number twelve hundred known bishops.
[39:04] Speaker 3: So it could be as high as that, but it
[39:06] Speaker 3: was probably more because we in some places you didn't
[39:09] Speaker 3: tell anybody you were a bishop.
[39:12] Speaker 2: Bishop.
[39:13] Speaker 3: It comes from the word episcopal, which just means overseer.
[39:16] Speaker 3: So if you have ten families, they pick a minister,
[39:20] Speaker 3: he gets stick together with nine other ministers, and he
[39:22] Speaker 3: picks a minister. That minister that he picks would fall
[39:26] Speaker 3: under an overseer because he is concerned about his ten
[39:32] Speaker 3: ministers that are that he serves, that are not under
[39:36] Speaker 3: his authority. He serves them, he's concerned about them, and therefore,
[39:41] Speaker 3: by proxy, he's concerned about the one hundred families that
[39:45] Speaker 3: they make sure there's enough bread for during the Roman
[39:49] Speaker 3: diarsts and famines and volcanic eruptions and earthquakes and wars
[39:54] Speaker 3: and rumors of wars. So they're taking care of one
[39:56] Speaker 3: another through this charity network. We don't do that anymore today.
[40:02] Speaker 3: We depend on the government to do it. But the
[40:06] Speaker 3: government may have good intentions sometimes, just like Saul had
[40:11] Speaker 3: good intentions when he forced an offering. But Saul said,
[40:14] Speaker 3: your kingdom's not going to stand now because you forced
[40:16] Speaker 3: an offering for a good cause. You know it's for
[40:20] Speaker 3: national defense. But still you're operating. It's the means and
[40:26] Speaker 3: method that it's going to determine the spirit that enters
[40:29] Speaker 3: into you. If you're twisting the arm of your neighbor,
[40:35] Speaker 3: you should you should expect your arm to be twisted
[40:39] Speaker 3: if you're sacrificing for the well being of your neighbor.
[40:44] Speaker 2: See back to LBJ. He thought I forgot about it, LBJ.
[40:48] Speaker 2: Lennon Bain Johnson didn't want to sign the Civil Rights Act,
[40:54] Speaker 2: and there were there were problems with the Civil Rights Acts,
[40:56] Speaker 2: but he didn't want to sign it because he was
[40:58] Speaker 2: the biggest he's very prejudiced, but he did sign it.
[41:04] Speaker 2: But then he created, you know, his Great.
[41:08] Speaker 3: Society, which is just an extension of the New Deal,
[41:12] Speaker 3: which wasn't a New Deal, but it was where men
[41:14] Speaker 3: who exercised the authorities start providing social welfare for the people.
[41:18] Speaker 3: And he focused on the black community because he wanted
[41:21] Speaker 3: to move the black communities vote from republicant Democrat, and
[41:26] Speaker 3: so therefore he started going in and making sure all
[41:29] Speaker 3: the black people in the South who could.
[41:32] Speaker 2: Get on welfare got on welfare.
[41:34] Speaker 3: And you went from you know, in nineteen hundred, you
[41:38] Speaker 3: had three percent of the black community had single parent families,
[41:44] Speaker 3: and in some places it was like one and a
[41:46] Speaker 3: half percent, but in the cities it got up to
[41:49] Speaker 3: like three percent of the black community had single parent families.
[41:53] Speaker 3: We went from that to, you know, twenty years after
[41:56] Speaker 3: OBJ to seventy five percent of the black community single
[42:00] Speaker 3: parent families. And you wonder what happened, Well, social welfare happened.
[42:06] Speaker 3: You can go one hundred and fifty years before Christ
[42:09] Speaker 3: was born, before there was one hundred years before the
[42:12] Speaker 3: first Caesar, when Rome was still a republic, and we
[42:17] Speaker 3: write about republics and explain what a republic is in
[42:20] Speaker 3: the difference in democracy. So and we're always linking it
[42:24] Speaker 3: back to the Bible and the quotes in the Bible.
[42:26] Speaker 3: But Polybius, who was a historian from Corinth, long story there,
[42:32] Speaker 3: but basically he said that the people with an appetite
[42:38] Speaker 3: for benefits and the habit of receiving them.
[42:42] Speaker 2: By the rule of force and violence, which is what
[42:46] Speaker 2: socialism is.
[42:47] Speaker 3: We're not asking for donation, We're going to take away
[42:50] Speaker 3: from somebody.
[42:52] Speaker 2: Well they're going to.
[42:53] Speaker 3: Tell you they're only going to take away from the ridge,
[42:55] Speaker 3: but they're going to take away from everybody actually, and
[43:00] Speaker 3: and they're going to do it by force, because socialism
[43:03] Speaker 3: is an economic.
[43:04] Speaker 2: And political system.
[43:06] Speaker 3: They're going to take away and provide for those who
[43:10] Speaker 3: didn't work as hard. Maybe they didn't work as hard
[43:12] Speaker 3: because they don't have the ability. Maybe they're lazy, maybe
[43:16] Speaker 3: they're shirkers, maybe they're scoundrels.
[43:20] Speaker 2: Who knows. But it's going to be a system of control.
[43:25] Speaker 3: But he says, if they have the appetite for the
[43:28] Speaker 3: benefits by the rule of force, they will degenerate into
[43:33] Speaker 3: perfect savages, finding once more a monarch and a king socialism.
[43:37] Speaker 3: This is why Mark said he advocated socialism because he
[43:43] Speaker 3: knew it led to communism, and communism is totalitarianism. So
[43:49] Speaker 3: all this is the Bible is about government. It mentions
[43:53] Speaker 3: governments seven hundred times in the Bible. More than that,
[43:56] Speaker 3: if you look at some of the other words that
[43:58] Speaker 3: mean government, and it mentions religion five times. The word
[44:03] Speaker 3: religion five times in the Bible, and of those five times,
[44:08] Speaker 3: four of them are in a derogatory sense. It only
[44:11] Speaker 3: mentions the word religion once in the Bible in a
[44:14] Speaker 3: good sense, and they call it pure religion. James says it.
[44:19] Speaker 3: He says pure religion unspotted by the world. He refers
[44:25] Speaker 3: to it as being it's visiting the widows and orphans,
[44:29] Speaker 3: the needy of your society, visiting in the sense of
[44:31] Speaker 3: taking care of that, you know, not just stopping buy
[44:34] Speaker 3: and seeing how you're doing, but actually doing something about
[44:37] Speaker 3: how you're doing.
[44:38] Speaker 2: But he says that pure religion is unspotted by the world.
[44:43] Speaker 3: Well, he uses one of those words that there's four
[44:47] Speaker 3: five different words that can be translated into world in
[44:50] Speaker 3: the New Testament alone, and they do. And the word
[44:55] Speaker 3: that he uses there is the word that means constitutional
[44:59] Speaker 3: order or s of government. So what he's saying, but
[45:04] Speaker 3: they just put the word world there. They're not talking
[45:06] Speaker 3: about Wayne's world. They're not talking about unspotted by dirt
[45:09] Speaker 3: or the planet. They're talking about constitutional orgin systems of
[45:14] Speaker 3: government that have men who exercise authority enforced the contributions
[45:18] Speaker 3: of the people. He said, that's pure religion, take care
[45:22] Speaker 3: of the people without that use of force, because the
[45:27] Speaker 3: use of that force is a cop of dist practice.
[45:29] Speaker 3: And Peter has already said that that's going to make
[45:32] Speaker 3: you merchandise. And if you go if you actually knew
[45:35] Speaker 3: what they were doing in the Old Testament, when they
[45:37] Speaker 3: went to eat the bread of Egypt and during the famine,
[45:43] Speaker 3: which we go into the detail why that was. But
[45:47] Speaker 3: basically they went there, they signed an agreement. I don't
[45:51] Speaker 3: know they actually had to sign it out on a
[45:53] Speaker 3: clay tablet or whatever. But they're entering into what they
[45:56] Speaker 3: call the Bondage of Egypt. The deal was twenty percent
[46:00] Speaker 3: of their labor was going to belong to the government.
[46:06] Speaker 2: Forever.
[46:07] Speaker 3: But Joseph set this deal up and he said twenty
[46:11] Speaker 3: percent was a ceiling limit if.
[46:13] Speaker 2: He went to Egypt. Now, well, if you went to
[46:16] Speaker 2: Egypt under Mobarik.
[46:18] Speaker 3: I was actually invited to go to Egypt when Mobarik
[46:21] Speaker 3: was in charge to help open the secret room under
[46:25] Speaker 3: the Sphinx that was found by bor Said, who made
[46:29] Speaker 3: the movies with Charlton Heston about the Pyramids and all
[46:32] Speaker 3: that stuff. He used to call me every week and
[46:35] Speaker 3: we were going to go there, but his permit kept
[46:37] Speaker 3: getting canceled. But that's another story I found out why.
[46:42] Speaker 3: But Holy Spirits got insight into a lot of this stuff.
[46:47] Speaker 3: But anyway, income tax was still twenty percent in Egypt
[46:53] Speaker 3: for everybody, millionaires, little guys, everybody.
[46:57] Speaker 2: Twenty percent.
[46:58] Speaker 3: Why because Joseph said, so, you know, thousands of years before,
[47:04] Speaker 3: but if you go to Israel now, income tax can
[47:07] Speaker 3: be seventy and seventy five percent. Yes, because Israel isn't
[47:12] Speaker 3: following Moses, it isn't following.
[47:16] Speaker 2: I'm going to close up here real quick.
[47:18] Speaker 3: Okay, he isn't following Israel isn't following Moses. They're not
[47:24] Speaker 3: following Abraham. They're not doing it the way Abraham does it.
[47:27] Speaker 3: They're doing the way Nimrod did it. Nimrod was top
[47:31] Speaker 3: down authority, making everybody human resources. I mean, in America
[47:37] Speaker 3: today we have the Human Resource Department, you know, head
[47:42] Speaker 3: of HR. We didn't we did human resources. You're reduced
[47:47] Speaker 3: to human resources. You owe more than twenty percent of
[47:50] Speaker 3: your labor to the government. And I'm not saying that
[47:54] Speaker 3: you don't. I'm not saying rebel against that. But if
[47:57] Speaker 3: you seek first the Kingdom of God would just the
[48:00] Speaker 3: alternative way, the way that Abraham was going, you will
[48:05] Speaker 3: survive the ultimate collapse of all governments and in the world.
[48:12] Speaker 3: And that collapse is going to come out naturally, but
[48:15] Speaker 3: also there'll be things in nature that will contribute to that.
[48:19] Speaker 3: But we're going to pretty much strangle ourselves before you
[48:23] Speaker 3: know the whatever it is that's coming hits.
[48:27] Speaker 2: Now.
[48:28] Speaker 1: I wanted to get your insights into biblical interpretations, especially
[48:34] Speaker 1: as it relates to how God is portrayed in the
[48:38] Speaker 1: Old Testament. Some researchers in our modern times even believe
[48:43] Speaker 1: that they're portraying a different intelligence or a different deity,
[48:48] Speaker 1: not the one True God, because of some of the
[48:52] Speaker 1: jealous nature and the way that this Yahweh is portrayed
[48:57] Speaker 1: in the Old Testament.
[48:59] Speaker 3: What are your thought that okay, churse now you're asking
[49:04] Speaker 3: that you're talking about forbid. Let's go real briefly, the
[49:10] Speaker 3: Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life. There's a
[49:14] Speaker 3: light put in the Tree of Life. It shines in
[49:16] Speaker 3: all directions, a fiery sword. I don't think it was
[49:19] Speaker 3: a lightsaber, but a fiery sword as it's translated. And
[49:23] Speaker 3: Adam and Eve fled. We want to get I mean,
[49:27] Speaker 3: as soon as they sin, they hid from God. They
[49:31] Speaker 3: hid from God. God didn't hide himself from them. And
[49:34] Speaker 3: so we want to get back to the Tree of
[49:37] Speaker 3: life because the Tree of Life is going to reveal
[49:39] Speaker 3: all the answers to us, but we won't get near
[49:42] Speaker 3: it because it's also going to reveal we're not as
[49:45] Speaker 3: nice the guys as we thought we were.
[49:48] Speaker 2: We make mistakes. So when you get to the Tree
[49:52] Speaker 2: of life, that's your access to whatever God is. That's
[49:56] Speaker 2: going to that's the revelation that comes from God.
[50:00] Speaker 3: And now Satan is referred to as a light bearer.
[50:02] Speaker 3: He's going to bring light too. You know Mahmed who
[50:07] Speaker 3: everybody calls Muhammad. Today he meets somebody in a cave
[50:14] Speaker 3: and that guy had light around him, but he's in
[50:17] Speaker 3: a cave. If you're in the dark, a little bit
[50:21] Speaker 3: of light goes a long ways. And so anyway, he's
[50:24] Speaker 3: listening to him.
[50:25] Speaker 2: I was just last night. I was just reading one
[50:28] Speaker 2: of my copies of the Kuran.
[50:30] Speaker 3: Again, not because they believe in it, but I want
[50:33] Speaker 3: to understand how their minds are working. Okay, the Greeks
[50:38] Speaker 3: referred to God as the unmoved mover. That's actually how
[50:42] Speaker 3: they they knew there was something out there that had
[50:45] Speaker 3: to be giving uniformity to all the universe. They didn't
[50:50] Speaker 3: understand all the laws of the universe, but they understood
[50:52] Speaker 3: that there was a uniformity, that there should be more chaos.
[50:57] Speaker 3: But somehow or other, there wasn't as much chaos.
[51:00] Speaker 2: So now we and.
[51:04] Speaker 3: I was at there what we call the Agreement Conference.
[51:07] Speaker 3: That's where I really started going public with a lot
[51:09] Speaker 3: of this stuff. I was already written some of the books,
[51:13] Speaker 3: but it was in Colorado, and there was a guy
[51:16] Speaker 3: there that was saying that away was actually Satan deceiving
[51:21] Speaker 3: Moses into going the wrong way. And I believe that
[51:26] Speaker 3: what Moses wrote down and what we has passed down
[51:30] Speaker 3: to us as Moses writing in the Pentitive, can be
[51:33] Speaker 3: used the wrong way. And same thing I said before,
[51:36] Speaker 3: there's enough ambiguity. There's if you want to find the
[51:41] Speaker 3: ambiguity so that you can misinterpret the Old Testament as
[51:47] Speaker 3: to what Moses was saying, and to think that uh,
[51:52] Speaker 3: doing this, this, this, and this, which are actually evil things,
[51:55] Speaker 3: killing all these people.
[51:58] Speaker 2: Put to death. Times we see the phrase put to death.
[52:01] Speaker 2: They have our oracle on put to death. Does it
[52:03] Speaker 2: actually mean put to death? Is that actually what they're saying?
[52:07] Speaker 3: If the stones aren't just piles of rocks, we're not
[52:10] Speaker 3: actually supposed to kill sheep and set them on fire.
[52:14] Speaker 3: We just did a whole series or Leviticus series. You
[52:17] Speaker 3: go through that because that deals a lot with the sacrifice.
[52:21] Speaker 3: We have oracles on altars of clay and stone. What
[52:23] Speaker 3: is that these are symbols of ideas? If you misinterpret that,
[52:27] Speaker 3: you might be out there piling up rocks, killing sheep,
[52:31] Speaker 3: setting them on fire, and thinking that you're making God happy.
[52:35] Speaker 3: But if those are actually symbolizing a system of social
[52:39] Speaker 3: warfare depended entirely on volunteer offerings the stones. It talks
[52:45] Speaker 3: about the priests organizing the wood. The same word for
[52:49] Speaker 3: wood is the same word for counsel. Where's he getting
[52:52] Speaker 3: the council is getting it from those lively stones that
[52:56] Speaker 3: he is serving. He's the overseer, he's the priest's overseeing this,
[53:00] Speaker 3: and he's saying, okay, so what do you need?
[53:03] Speaker 2: What do you need? What do you need here?
[53:04] Speaker 3: Or we got all this stuff that's been given into
[53:06] Speaker 3: my charge to divide. You had stuff to help out
[53:10] Speaker 3: in your immediate congregations. Now you give you heave it
[53:13] Speaker 3: up to me, and now I can take this offering
[53:18] Speaker 3: and divide it amongst your congregation. This congregation needs more,
[53:22] Speaker 3: so I'll take some of it and give them more.
[53:24] Speaker 3: And these guys are doing okay. So this week they're
[53:27] Speaker 3: going to get less their first century church. We'll call
[53:32] Speaker 3: it second century Church. Justin the Martyr wrote an apology, says,
[53:37] Speaker 3: explaining to the Emperor. He wrote it to the Emperor
[53:39] Speaker 3: Antonius Pus. We have copies of it today, and he says,
[53:45] Speaker 3: and he's explaining to the Emperor because they're getting into
[53:48] Speaker 3: trouble because they're not signing up with the social welfare
[53:51] Speaker 3: system in the Temples of Rome. They're not swearing by
[53:54] Speaker 3: the Allegiance of Rome, so he's saying, so they're getting
[53:59] Speaker 3: into te people are jealous and envious and want to
[54:02] Speaker 3: try them and persecute them because they're doing really good
[54:06] Speaker 3: and these other people are still trying to figure out
[54:10] Speaker 3: what the corrupt government did with their social security money.
[54:14] Speaker 3: Jesus calls Pilot out because he created He didn't really
[54:21] Speaker 3: just create it by himself, but he was instrumental in
[54:23] Speaker 3: creating a riot where men died.
[54:26] Speaker 2: Because why was there a riot Because.
[54:28] Speaker 3: The people were accusing the Pilot of confiscating the money
[54:34] Speaker 3: from their social security welfare fund in the temple.
[54:39] Speaker 2: Well, they had social security and the temple what is that?
[54:44] Speaker 3: Well, the corbin of the Pharisees and Herod and the
[54:50] Speaker 3: Sadducees too, was making the word of God to Nune effect,
[54:55] Speaker 3: what was the corbin Corbin is the Hebrew word for sacrifice. Well,
[55:00] Speaker 3: Herod was created a system, a social warfare system, just
[55:05] Speaker 3: like FDR did, where you sign up, you get a number.
[55:10] Speaker 3: You actually get a name, but in the Hebrew letters
[55:14] Speaker 3: have numerical value, so it's actually also a number, and
[55:17] Speaker 3: it identifies you in the temple as a contributor to
[55:21] Speaker 3: their system of Corbin. And you're gonna get guaranteed benefits
[55:27] Speaker 3: if they can afford it. And there's gonna be a
[55:30] Speaker 3: lot of gold and stuff in the treasury. No matter
[55:32] Speaker 3: where you go in the Roman Empire, you're gonna get it.
[55:34] Speaker 3: He was trying to get over two hundred and fifty
[55:36] Speaker 3: thousand people signed up for this, which would mean two
[55:39] Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand families.
[55:42] Speaker 2: Pancha's pilot was a member of a similar system already
[55:45] Speaker 2: started in Rome.
[55:48] Speaker 3: Every year he burnt incense to the Son of God
[55:53] Speaker 3: in the Temple of Jupiter.
[55:56] Speaker 2: Pancha's pilot did, why is he doing that?
[56:00] Speaker 3: Because he's registered with them for their social security welfare
[56:04] Speaker 3: system through the Temple of Jupiter. Before Caesar became a general,
[56:08] Speaker 3: he was a priest in the Temple of Jupiter. People
[56:11] Speaker 3: don't know that you got to put the pieces of
[56:13] Speaker 3: the puzzle together. If you don't study history, you won't
[56:16] Speaker 3: know these things, unless, of course, you go to our
[56:18] Speaker 3: website because we have all those footnotes.
[56:21] Speaker 2: So I'll tell you how to find this out. So
[56:24] Speaker 2: what is God with Julius Caesar?
[56:28] Speaker 3: This is why Pilot became so frightened when the Pharisees said,
[56:32] Speaker 3: he calls himself the son of God, refers to Jesus
[56:36] Speaker 3: as the son of God.
[56:37] Speaker 2: Well, Pilot knew the son of God with Caesar. Is
[56:40] Speaker 2: Jesus competing with Caesar.
[56:43] Speaker 3: Well, then in the trial, Paja's pilot says to Jesus,
[56:49] Speaker 3: you know he wants to sit in the judgment seed.
[56:52] Speaker 3: He says, he's about to sit in the judgment seed
[56:54] Speaker 3: in the text. And Jesus says, my kingdom is not
[56:58] Speaker 3: of this world. Uses that say word again, world, not
[57:01] Speaker 3: the one that means land or inhabited places, or era
[57:05] Speaker 3: means planet. He uses the word that means constitutional order
[57:09] Speaker 3: and system of government. And he's brought into a court
[57:12] Speaker 3: of law, and the judge is about the sit in
[57:13] Speaker 3: the seat of judgment, and he says, my kingdom's not
[57:16] Speaker 3: of this world, this constitutional order and system of government.
[57:20] Speaker 2: I have no treaty with you. I get no benefits
[57:24] Speaker 2: from you.
[57:24] Speaker 3: And there's a whole history of why Jesus could do that,
[57:28] Speaker 3: because Jesus was according to the order.
[57:30] Speaker 2: Of Melchisa Dek. That's what it says in the New Testament.
[57:35] Speaker 2: What was Abraham doing.
[57:37] Speaker 3: Abraham was tithing to Malkisa deck He wasn't paying taxes
[57:43] Speaker 3: to Abamelic. Abamelic was in his name either. Abamelic means
[57:48] Speaker 3: father king, Abamelic ab father Melic. So this is a
[57:55] Speaker 3: guy who has a system where the government's your daddy.
[57:58] Speaker 3: He's going to take care of your welfare needs, but
[58:02] Speaker 3: he's also going to have the power to force your contributions.
[58:06] Speaker 3: He's going to be able to shear his sheep because
[58:10] Speaker 3: you're one of his human resources. He may do a
[58:12] Speaker 3: really good job save lots of people, feed lots of
[58:16] Speaker 3: the poor, you know, and time of famine, I mean
[58:19] Speaker 3: the Pharaoh when each when Joseph was in charge, saved
[58:24] Speaker 3: thousands of thousands of people's lives, maybe millions of people's
[58:27] Speaker 3: lives because they had stored up this grain for seven years.
[58:31] Speaker 2: When I worked on grain farms, in North Dakota. One
[58:35] Speaker 2: of my brief careers.
[58:39] Speaker 3: I had an uncle who had a wheat farm up there,
[58:42] Speaker 3: and I went up and worked for him for a summer,
[58:44] Speaker 3: and I got paid one hundred bucks for the whole summer.
[58:48] Speaker 2: But I learned a lot.
[58:49] Speaker 3: But in those days, you had seven years supply of
[58:54] Speaker 3: grain for all the people in the United States on private.
[58:59] Speaker 2: Farms all over America.
[59:03] Speaker 3: That was a program instituted years before where the government
[59:06] Speaker 3: would if you know, too much grain is produced in
[59:09] Speaker 3: a bumper year, grain prices drop. Well, you may not
[59:14] Speaker 3: get enough money for your grain to pay your bills.
[59:18] Speaker 3: But the government sets a mean value to it as
[59:23] Speaker 3: to what it would normally be if it wasn't a
[59:25] Speaker 3: cleat on the market, And they said, well, we'll buy
[59:27] Speaker 3: your grain for two dollars.
[59:30] Speaker 2: And fifty cents a bushel. We'll put it in a bin.
[59:33] Speaker 3: You build a bin on your place, and we'll put
[59:37] Speaker 3: it in that bin, and we'll put our seal on it.
[59:40] Speaker 3: You can't touch it. It belongs to the federal government.
[59:44] Speaker 3: But if you have a year that the crop fails in,
[59:48] Speaker 3: you personally can buy it back from the federal government
[59:53] Speaker 3: at almost the same price with a little bit of
[59:55] Speaker 3: a fee that you could kind of count as interest.
[59:58] Speaker 2: This is a tiny little fee.
[1:00:00] Speaker 3: But of course now grain is three dollars a bushel,
[1:00:03] Speaker 3: so you buy it back for two fifty two and
[1:00:06] Speaker 3: sell it for three dollars a bition and you stay
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: in business. It was a buffer for the people. It
[1:00:11] Speaker 3: was a buffer for the farmer. We used to have
[1:00:12] Speaker 3: that program. It's all gone.
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: They've taken that.
[1:00:16] Speaker 3: You don't have six months supply of grain in the
[1:00:19] Speaker 3: world at any given time, and if crops start failing,
[1:00:25] Speaker 3: you will see worldwide famine.
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: But these are the things that Joseph did.
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: Today the church should be doing that, but not the pope,
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: but the church according to the ways of Christ. But
[1:00:37] Speaker 3: back to your question about worthies, evil if you miss
[1:00:41] Speaker 3: interpet the words.
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: And that's what we see right.
[1:00:45] Speaker 3: Away when they came out with a printing press a
[1:00:49] Speaker 3: Jesuits who were actually in on that. Some of the
[1:00:51] Speaker 3: Jesuits they don't want to put all Jesuits in the
[1:00:53] Speaker 3: same basket, but they started. They knew, well, we can't
[1:01:00] Speaker 3: stop them from printing the book, so let's stop them
[1:01:04] Speaker 3: from understanding the language. Not that that wasn't going on
[1:01:07] Speaker 3: all the way back in three hundred a D and
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: four hundred a D. And we chronicle a lot of
[1:01:12] Speaker 3: that history showing you how they're Mostly what we want
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: to focus on is what is the truth and so
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: who was this?
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: Yahweh?
[1:01:23] Speaker 3: Yahweh is a word that means the existing one. That
[1:01:28] Speaker 3: is not any different than what the Greeks see. I'm
[1:01:30] Speaker 3: going to tie this together. You think I'm just rambling.
[1:01:35] Speaker 3: The Greek said God is the unmoved mover. He exists
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: outside of time in space. They didn't Nessa use that
[1:01:44] Speaker 3: phrase time and space. But outside of our motion.
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: Contact physical universe, he's not moved, but he exists. Yahweh
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: means the unmoved mover. It means the existing one.
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: Now, when you say to me that you're because people
[1:02:04] Speaker 3: want to have me say all the time, he says,
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ? You believe
[1:02:09] Speaker 3: in the Trinity? Well, I believe in threes. God, the
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: Father God is the same God, the holy Gods. But
[1:02:17] Speaker 3: when you say trinity, now we're talking about a word
[1:02:20] Speaker 3: that doesn't even show up in the Bible.
[1:02:22] Speaker 2: And you have a definition of when you say God,
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: what do.
[1:02:27] Speaker 3: You mean the same word for God Elohim's there's a
[1:02:32] Speaker 3: couple of words that are translated god, but Alohim is
[1:02:34] Speaker 3: one of the more common ones, although they will add
[1:02:37] Speaker 3: letters and take away letters from even alo him and
[1:02:40] Speaker 3: it means something different. I mean, you'll see the same
[1:02:43] Speaker 3: word capital G God and then small G God in
[1:02:47] Speaker 3: the same Bible. It's the same word. Somebody decided to
[1:02:51] Speaker 3: make this one a small G in this one a
[1:02:54] Speaker 3: capital G. And most of the time I think they're accurate.
[1:02:57] Speaker 3: But the word was actually used to address judges in
[1:03:01] Speaker 3: courts of law. Even the Greek word theos was used
[1:03:06] Speaker 3: to address judges in courts of law. Why, because they
[1:03:11] Speaker 3: were the god of that court. If you think they're not,
[1:03:15] Speaker 3: next time you go into court, wear hat because they
[1:03:22] Speaker 3: will tell you you can't have a hat on in
[1:03:24] Speaker 3: my court because that's his court.
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: He's god of that court.
[1:03:28] Speaker 3: Now, this is just a little anecdote that try to
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: help you understand there is a god of all gods.
[1:03:38] Speaker 3: There is an existing one that controls all the universe.
[1:03:42] Speaker 3: It's not manipulating, it's like puppets, but it's holding everything together,
[1:03:47] Speaker 3: and it's far beyond anything I can imagine. But then
[1:03:50] Speaker 3: there's lots of imitations of that, and the only way
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: you're going to be able to tell the difference is
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit. So the real question is how do
[1:03:59] Speaker 3: I tap into the Holy Spirit and know that it's
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit. Well, that's why you get this life,
[1:04:06] Speaker 3: is to figure that out. But if you go to
[1:04:09] Speaker 3: the Capital Dome of the United States, there's a painting
[1:04:12] Speaker 3: up there at and the top of the Capital Dome.
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: It was painted by Bermudi, who was a painter who
[1:04:21] Speaker 3: worked for the pope, and he was sent over by
[1:04:24] Speaker 3: the pope to paint that picture. The name of that
[1:04:27] Speaker 3: picture is the Apotheos of Washington. It has a picture
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: of George Washington up there with a lot of and
[1:04:32] Speaker 3: there's cherubs and everything.
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: It's fascinating painting.
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: But what is the apotheos? That's one of the offices
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: of Caesar. One of his offices was Son of God,
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: which meant that he was the overseer of all social
[1:04:46] Speaker 3: warfare through the patriarchal system of the Roman imperial cult.
[1:04:53] Speaker 3: So if somebody was corrupt in the system of social warfare,
[1:04:57] Speaker 3: he could send Dosee down to remove them m And
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: that was that's the office.
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: Of Son of God.
[1:05:04] Speaker 3: We don't call Trump's son of God, but he can
[1:05:07] Speaker 3: create dosh to go in root out the corruption. Now,
[1:05:11] Speaker 3: in the Kingdom of Israel, before they had kings, there
[1:05:15] Speaker 3: was a way to do that too, but you had
[1:05:18] Speaker 3: to actually sacrifice some of your time and your energy
[1:05:21] Speaker 3: and camaraderie with your other people and eventually remove those
[1:05:24] Speaker 3: corrupt people. They decided to go with men who exercise
[1:05:28] Speaker 3: the authority. That's where the mistake was. Okay, so now
[1:05:32] Speaker 3: we got Yahweh. There's a Yahweh that's the existing one,
[1:05:36] Speaker 3: but there's a lot of images of Yahweh that just
[1:05:38] Speaker 3: ain't Yahweh. And people think Yahweh said pile up stones,
[1:05:43] Speaker 3: burn up sheep.
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: No, he didn't.
[1:05:45] Speaker 3: Nothing in the Bible about piling up stone and burning
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: up sheep. It's metaphors. You got to find the metaphor
[1:05:51] Speaker 3: and find out what it is. And so a lot
[1:05:55] Speaker 3: of people aren't going to believe that right off, which
[1:05:57] Speaker 3: is why there are hundreds and hundreds of pages that
[1:06:00] Speaker 3: preparing this Holy Church for those people who will only
[1:06:06] Speaker 3: believed by signs of wonder and a lot of information.
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: So we have the information, we back it up.
[1:06:11] Speaker 3: But yeah, that there is an existing God, but that
[1:06:15] Speaker 3: God one of the natures of that God. There's lots
[1:06:18] Speaker 3: of different things that we could attribute to is the
[1:06:21] Speaker 3: giver of life. He doesn't take life away. He gives life,
[1:06:26] Speaker 3: So therefore he's not interesting you burning up sheep uselessly
[1:06:30] Speaker 3: on piles of stone. They were dividing that, you know,
[1:06:34] Speaker 3: when they were herdsman, that was the major source of protein.
[1:06:39] Speaker 3: They weren't planting wheat fields. They could trade with other
[1:06:41] Speaker 3: people who planted wheat fields and get wheat. But they
[1:06:44] Speaker 3: were on a keto diet, so to speak.
[1:06:47] Speaker 2: They were eating a lot of meat and this other
[1:06:50] Speaker 2: thing called man and another whole subject. But the reality
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: is is that they're.
[1:06:56] Speaker 3: What God is trying to lead you to is an
[1:06:59] Speaker 3: environmental social, environmental condition that is conducive to the idea
[1:07:04] Speaker 3: that you have to make personal contact with that divine
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: spark that.
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: Yadd that and people can do that.
[1:07:14] Speaker 3: Your DNA, every strand of your DNA is a frequency
[1:07:20] Speaker 3: generator and receiver. And if you're angry, you poison your
[1:07:26] Speaker 3: whole body. If you hate, you poison your old body.
[1:07:30] Speaker 3: If you love, if you're willing to lay down your
[1:07:32] Speaker 3: life for your fellow man, then you may get Then
[1:07:37] Speaker 3: you become a fit habitation for that holy spirit. One
[1:07:43] Speaker 3: of another key, besides the fact that you're not selfish,
[1:07:48] Speaker 3: covetous wanting to rule over others, is that you're willing
[1:07:54] Speaker 3: to shut up and listen, be still, in know. And
[1:07:59] Speaker 3: that's kind of what meditation should be, is an exercise
[1:08:03] Speaker 3: in being quiet.
[1:08:05] Speaker 2: But if you don't.
[1:08:06] Speaker 3: After you be quiet for fifteen minutes or twenty minutes
[1:08:09] Speaker 3: or maybe occasionally a half an hour, you got to
[1:08:13] Speaker 3: get up and turn what you learned into action, because
[1:08:19] Speaker 3: you don't want to stay in a stay Otherwise you
[1:08:21] Speaker 3: become stagnant water. You have to turn it into action,
[1:08:25] Speaker 3: and that action has to be an action of giving life.
[1:08:28] Speaker 3: Socialism is a spirit of taking from others. Yeah, they
[1:08:34] Speaker 3: want to take against the rich. And I'm amazed always
[1:08:38] Speaker 3: how everybody all these guys hate Elon Musk so much.
[1:08:43] Speaker 3: Elon Musk has created jobs for thousands and thousands of people.
[1:08:47] Speaker 3: I mean, he's individually, he's got all kinds of problems,
[1:08:49] Speaker 3: and if he was here, I'd talked to him about
[1:08:51] Speaker 3: him if he wanted to. But the reality is is
[1:08:54] Speaker 3: he's an amazing guy and he has put more people
[1:08:59] Speaker 3: in good livelihoods than almost anybody in the United States,
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: and he's from here, is from South Africa, which is
[1:09:08] Speaker 3: got problem of his own.
[1:09:10] Speaker 2: So yeah, God is this giver of life. This I
[1:09:16] Speaker 2: like to call him the divine designer.
[1:09:19] Speaker 3: The will of God is also equated over and over
[1:09:22] Speaker 3: again throughout history with natural law, the God of nature
[1:09:28] Speaker 3: and Nature's law. We see that in Jeffersonian Declaration of
[1:09:33] Speaker 3: Independence and stuff. So but to just say yahweh, what
[1:09:39] Speaker 3: do you mean by yahwahweh? Just to say trinity? What
[1:09:44] Speaker 3: is trinity? I mean it is God the Father, God
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: the Son, and God the Holy goes well. God the
[1:09:49] Speaker 3: Son is the nature of God made man. That's a
[1:09:52] Speaker 3: physical reality. God is spirit that's outside of time and space.
[1:09:58] Speaker 3: It's not physical. But in Jesus, God is incarnate in
[1:10:03] Speaker 3: his being, and he says, I got to go otherwise
[1:10:09] Speaker 3: you're going to become dependent on me. But I will
[1:10:12] Speaker 3: send to you the Holy Spirit, the comforter, which is
[1:10:15] Speaker 3: your personal relationship with God, which is where we started
[1:10:19] Speaker 3: back in the garden, which garden means protected twice. And
[1:10:22] Speaker 3: if we reconnect with that Divine Spirit, it will start
[1:10:29] Speaker 3: guiding us in life.
[1:10:31] Speaker 2: It's not going to control us.
[1:10:33] Speaker 3: We're not butt puppets for the Holy Spirit where we
[1:10:38] Speaker 3: because one of the things that God gives us is choice.
[1:10:44] Speaker 3: But the choice is not an intellectual choice. It's deeper
[1:10:48] Speaker 3: than the intellect. It's not an emotional choice.
[1:10:51] Speaker 2: It's fine to have.
[1:10:52] Speaker 3: Emotions, but unfortunately a lot of people are possessed by
[1:10:55] Speaker 3: their emotions, just the same as some of the intellectuals
[1:10:58] Speaker 3: are possessed by their ideology. You want to worship, serve,
[1:11:06] Speaker 3: That's what worship means, serve the Holy Spirit, which is
[1:11:09] Speaker 3: this other thing. And I can't put that on a chalkboard,
[1:11:14] Speaker 3: but I make reference to it with all these pictures
[1:11:17] Speaker 3: and all these words and everything. But we have a
[1:11:20] Speaker 3: picture drawn in our minds by the ministers who followed Constantine.
[1:11:28] Speaker 3: And the amazing thing is you got two thousand years
[1:11:31] Speaker 3: almost not quite of Constantine's church, which isn't anything new.
[1:11:36] Speaker 2: It's what we saw before in the Old.
[1:11:38] Speaker 3: Testament, and lots of people have followed it. But all
[1:11:42] Speaker 3: of a sudden you'll find somebody who becomes a priest,
[1:11:46] Speaker 3: or becomes a bishop or an archbishop, and suddenly they
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: have this relationship with the Holy Spirit, and they see
[1:11:55] Speaker 3: beyond it, and they become the stealth bomber inside I
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: had the Roman Catholic Church, and that was the archbishop
[1:12:03] Speaker 3: that I knew way back then.
[1:12:05] Speaker 2: I mean I first met him. I think I probably
[1:12:08] Speaker 2: had turned fourteen, and and he.
[1:12:14] Speaker 3: Ha cod see things that weren't physical. And he never
[1:12:18] Speaker 3: told me this, but I know now a lot of
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: things that he did tell me.
[1:12:22] Speaker 2: I couldn't.
[1:12:23] Speaker 3: I had no place to put it. But over the period,
[1:12:29] Speaker 3: it's God sends you messengers. This is why I said,
[1:12:33] Speaker 3: kind of a Siddartha approach. I don't know if you
[1:12:35] Speaker 3: know who Siddartha was. The book written about me was
[1:12:39] Speaker 3: with the Gautama Buddha and all the stuff of the novel.
[1:12:43] Speaker 3: And he meets all these people in his life and
[1:12:47] Speaker 3: trying to find the truth, the forbidden knowledge, and then
[1:12:53] Speaker 3: his life utterly collapses a long story short, and ends
[1:12:58] Speaker 3: up being this ferry man and along a river where
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: he has a little little like raft, and he will
[1:13:06] Speaker 3: ferry you across the river, and maybe you'll give him
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: a penny or some rice or something, and that's and
[1:13:12] Speaker 3: he just lives in a little hut in this very
[1:13:14] Speaker 3: humble existence, taking people across rich men, poor men, whoever
[1:13:19] Speaker 3: needs to go across the river, and everybody that he
[1:13:21] Speaker 3: met throughout his whole life ends up crossing that river.
[1:13:26] Speaker 2: And he meets him again and resolves issues that he
[1:13:29] Speaker 2: had with them.
[1:13:30] Speaker 3: And so but that's you can go out, like I say,
[1:13:35] Speaker 3: and look under every rock and read every book, but ultimately,
[1:13:39] Speaker 3: the until you can put the pieces together with the
[1:13:42] Speaker 3: divine designer's assistance, you're not going to be able to
[1:13:46] Speaker 3: figure it out.
[1:13:46] Speaker 2: But then once you do start seeing it, now you
[1:13:50] Speaker 2: have to go out and share it with others. And
[1:13:52] Speaker 2: that's kind of my lot in life. Yeah, I love it.
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: This is such fantastic information. We barely rat's the service
[1:14:00] Speaker 1: on this. I would love to do this again. We're
[1:14:03] Speaker 1: running out of time, but there's one more thing that
[1:14:05] Speaker 1: I wanted to close out. You mentioned that eventually this
[1:14:11] Speaker 1: whole anti human system that runs our reality now will collapse.
[1:14:17] Speaker 1: Do you see that happening within our lifetime? Within the
[1:14:20] Speaker 1: next fifty two one hundred years.
[1:14:22] Speaker 3: Oh, they're going to There's clearly we were on the
[1:14:25] Speaker 3: verge of economic collapse, and economic collapse today is serious collapse.
[1:14:31] Speaker 3: If you don't get oil to the farmers, you're not
[1:14:33] Speaker 3: going to get grained to the breadmakers, and people don't
[1:14:38] Speaker 3: go out.
[1:14:39] Speaker 2: And make their own food.
[1:14:41] Speaker 3: So if you if you interrupt the oil supply, which
[1:14:45] Speaker 3: is what Iran was planning on doing. Iran existed because
[1:14:49] Speaker 3: of the Bank of England. The Bank of England operates
[1:14:52] Speaker 3: that I should say, the financial empire of England, because
[1:14:58] Speaker 3: it's not just banking, it's you know, Lloyd's of London
[1:15:01] Speaker 3: and a lot of the kings and princes of Europe
[1:15:04] Speaker 3: and everything. You know, kind of a ten headed dragon
[1:15:06] Speaker 3: of guys out there.
[1:15:09] Speaker 2: They put Komini into power.
[1:15:14] Speaker 3: That was their plan to create a balance because they
[1:15:17] Speaker 3: had also created Israel. Israel is a product of the
[1:15:20] Speaker 3: same banking empire they once wanted to rule the whole world.
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: I mean, not your average englishman on the street or anything.
[1:15:29] Speaker 2: My son in law is from England.
[1:15:32] Speaker 3: My one of my sons is in Sweden right now
[1:15:35] Speaker 3: because his wife's from Sweden. But anyway, these guys have
[1:15:42] Speaker 3: a plan, it's Nimrod's plan to make everybody human resources.
[1:15:47] Speaker 2: Were you own nothing, have no dominion. But you're going
[1:15:52] Speaker 2: to be happy whether you like it or not.
[1:15:57] Speaker 3: And you may have to eat bugs because we're not
[1:15:59] Speaker 3: going to feed you your food because we don't want
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: you to have brains that actually function, because you're easier
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: to rule when you're not.
[1:16:06] Speaker 2: That was a plan for a long time.
[1:16:08] Speaker 3: You can call it a new world order of globalism.
[1:16:12] Speaker 3: Mystery Babylon. Mystery Babylon can translate to secret Babylon. We're
[1:16:17] Speaker 3: all in Babylon again, and Babylon fell and.
[1:16:21] Speaker 2: It's going to fall again. It's it's it's in the
[1:16:24] Speaker 2: nature of Babylon.
[1:16:27] Speaker 3: Once you go to the idea that it's okay to
[1:16:29] Speaker 3: force your neighbor to contribute to your welfare, you your
[1:16:33] Speaker 3: system of doing that will collapse. And we were on
[1:16:38] Speaker 3: the brink of that. I was I don't even vote anymore.
[1:16:43] Speaker 3: And there's a lot of reasons for that. We can
[1:16:45] Speaker 3: go through that some other time. But the people asked me,
[1:16:48] Speaker 3: do you support Trump? Do you not support Trump? Look,
[1:16:51] Speaker 3: Caesar is who Caesar is, and I can tell I says,
[1:16:56] Speaker 3: your Trump is not your salvation. But he's go We're
[1:17:00] Speaker 3: going to shake things up, And of course he is.
[1:17:02] Speaker 3: And most people don't understand what he's doing, which I
[1:17:05] Speaker 3: think is that phenomenal because he's been posting and talking about.
[1:17:09] Speaker 2: What he's doing right now for twenty thirty years. That
[1:17:13] Speaker 2: it isn't news.
[1:17:15] Speaker 3: He's a believer in Hamiltonian economics, but Hamiltonian economics, which
[1:17:20] Speaker 3: is better than Biden economics or Obama economics. But it's
[1:17:27] Speaker 3: still going to centralize more power. The solution is to
[1:17:30] Speaker 3: seek the Kingdom of God because the system will eventually collapse.
[1:17:35] Speaker 3: He's put it off for a little bit. This just
[1:17:37] Speaker 3: bought you a little bit of time. But yeah, there
[1:17:40] Speaker 3: there's going to be serious conscause we talk about it
[1:17:43] Speaker 3: on x We got all the recordings up at Preparing You.
[1:17:45] Speaker 3: People can go and buy topics and follow through in
[1:17:49] Speaker 3: lots of connections. But the reality is is that I
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: don't preach a gospel of fear. I don't want people
[1:17:56] Speaker 3: seeking the truth because they're afraid of the lie. The
[1:18:00] Speaker 3: light comes in darkness, and darkness is the absence of light.
[1:18:05] Speaker 3: Light destroys darkness. You want to seek the light, don't
[1:18:09] Speaker 3: be afraid of what might be coming around the corner,
[1:18:11] Speaker 3: and try to get an edge. The Kingdom of Heaven
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: is in and now in the moment, So today you
[1:18:18] Speaker 3: can do something that will align yourself with the existing
[1:18:24] Speaker 3: one and bring you closer to a personal relationship with
[1:18:28] Speaker 3: that existing one, not with an ideology but with the
[1:18:32] Speaker 3: actual spiritual thing. And I've got hundreds of stories that
[1:18:37] Speaker 3: where the spirit is intervened beyond anything.
[1:18:39] Speaker 2: That you know I could have done.
[1:18:42] Speaker 3: This is what why I said the beginning of this show,
[1:18:44] Speaker 3: this is the best place to end it. As I
[1:18:46] Speaker 3: nailed down and said, I can't figure it out, you
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: got to show me. That's a position we all must
[1:18:54] Speaker 3: take is we're not.
[1:18:56] Speaker 2: Going to figure this out through knowledge.
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: It isn't forbidden we it's hidden from us because we
[1:19:01] Speaker 3: don't want to see the whole truth, and the whole
[1:19:03] Speaker 3: truth begins with us.
[1:19:04] Speaker 2: Stop blaming other people.
[1:19:07] Speaker 3: I'm not blaming the Jews, or the banking powers or
[1:19:10] Speaker 3: Donald Trump. The fact is if you change, you seek
[1:19:15] Speaker 3: the truth, you create that relationship and there's a lot
[1:19:18] Speaker 3: of evidence where you'll know, well I may not be
[1:19:20] Speaker 3: doing this right.
[1:19:22] Speaker 2: It will make a difference in your life.
[1:19:24] Speaker 3: And so that's that's ultimately. I go, like I said,
[1:19:27] Speaker 3: I already gave at the beginning of the recording, the
[1:19:29] Speaker 3: other things that his Holy Church dot org, dot net,
[1:19:35] Speaker 3: his Holy Church on Exit, his Holy Church on Facebook.
[1:19:38] Speaker 2: But join the network. Yeah, I will have all.
[1:19:42] Speaker 1: Your links easily accessible for everyone so they can go
[1:19:45] Speaker 1: check it out as they listen to this discussion. Gregory,
[1:19:49] Speaker 1: thank you so much. Like I said, We'll do this
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