# Ani Osaru | Reptilians Among Us? Ancient Mythology, Archetypes, Egregores & Mind Control

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[1:01] Speaker 1: want to welcome back to the show Ani Asaru. He
[1:04] Speaker 1: is an independent metaphysicist, lecturer, and researcher known for synthesizing
[1:09] Speaker 1: complex spiritual science, Gnostic thought, and esoteric cosmology. Ani, welcome back.
[1:16] Speaker 1: How are you doing?
[1:16] Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Chris. It's good to get back on
[1:19] Speaker 2: your show and have a great discussion today.
[1:21] Speaker 1: Yes, I always love these discussions. Today we're going to
[1:25] Speaker 1: get into reptilian mythology, where it possibly originated, how it's
[1:30] Speaker 1: reflected in our modern world, and with the extraterrestrial narrative
[1:35] Speaker 1: becoming such a widely accepted possibility, as well as the
[1:39] Speaker 1: events that have been unfolding in recent years with quote-unquote disclosure,
[1:44] Speaker 1: reptilians are becoming a big part of the modern zeitgeist.
[1:48] Speaker 1: but with many layers of understanding that we probably haven't
[1:52] Speaker 1: even touched yet. So really looking forward to getting your
[1:55] Speaker 1: insights into this. Before we do, remind the audience just
[1:58] Speaker 1: a little bit about yourself and let them know how
[2:00] Speaker 1: they can get more.
[2:02] Speaker 2: Yes. So I go by Ani Osaru. I've been a
[2:05] Speaker 2: researcher for about 10 plus years. I consider myself a metaphysicist.
[2:11] Speaker 2: I lecture on metaphysics, esotericism, Gnosticism, and just advanced soul physics.
[2:17] Speaker 2: So they can find me on YouTube at Ani Osaru,
[2:21] Speaker 2: or they can find some deep research and some articles
[2:25] Speaker 2: on my Patreon at patreon.com slash T-H-E underscore spiritual shade room.
[2:32] Speaker 2: You'll know you're there when it says the true occult newspaper.
[2:37] Speaker 1: Right on, man. Like you were telling me in our messages,
[2:40] Speaker 1: you've been doing some deep dives into the reptilian mythology.
[2:45] Speaker 1: how it has manifested in our modern zeitgeist and the
[2:49] Speaker 1: egregores that have come out of it. Where should we
[2:52] Speaker 1: begin with this?
[2:52] Speaker 2: It's crazy, man. So I get a lot of pushback
[2:57] Speaker 2: when I call it the reptilian deception, because there's a
[3:03] Speaker 2: lot of layered history. Really, America is what we call
[3:07] Speaker 2: in the urban parts of communities, new booty. When it
[3:11] Speaker 2: comes to the reptilian mythos, Africa and Asia have layered
[3:16] Speaker 2: stories about these things. And the Vedic knowledge or the
[3:21] Speaker 2: South African knowledge, because you get Cradle Mutwa, who really
[3:25] Speaker 2: gave David Icke a big boost into his mythos and
[3:28] Speaker 2: him creating that narrative with the star races, connecting it
[3:33] Speaker 2: back to these other people I'm going to. It's a
[3:36] Speaker 2: bunch of alien cults that kind of morphed into this
[3:39] Speaker 2: reptilian thing. But the origins of it starts from polar cosmology.
[3:45] Speaker 2: So the modern Draconian mythology is actually from the ancestry
[3:50] Speaker 2: of Alpha Draconis, where it used to be a star
[3:53] Speaker 2: called Thuban, which stood near Earth's northern celestial pole in
[3:59] Speaker 2: 2700 BCE. And if people don't know, there's a rotation
[4:04] Speaker 2: of the circumpolar parts of the stars. So the pole
[4:08] Speaker 2: starts kind of changes every couple thousands of years. Around
[4:12] Speaker 2: this time where the narrative starts of the dragon or
[4:16] Speaker 2: the mother, this is the worship of the matrilineal cults
[4:20] Speaker 2: way back in history when the goddess was highly regarded.
[4:25] Speaker 2: That area of the sky was called Thuban and there
[4:28] Speaker 2: were polar mysteries associated with the celestial dragon going all
[4:33] Speaker 2: the way back to Tiamat. Also in Gerald Massey's Typhonian books,
[4:38] Speaker 2: on Egyptian stellar mythology and his interpretations, the great bear
[4:43] Speaker 2: was understood within Massey's interpretation as the original maternal constellation.
[4:49] Speaker 2: And he's talking about the seven prominent stars. They're representing
[4:54] Speaker 2: primordial celestial powers. Thuban actually occupied the Northern heavens and
[5:02] Speaker 2: it appeared to revolve making that dragon regions of the sky,
[5:07] Speaker 2: a ancient astronomical orientation, where the axial precession gradually displaced
[5:13] Speaker 2: the older polar arrangement. So the symbolism associated with those
[5:17] Speaker 2: specific stars acquired different religious meanings over several hundreds of years.
[5:23] Speaker 2: So the ancient interpretation is describing this celestial marker of timekeepers.
[5:29] Speaker 2: So when they say watchers, there were actual people that
[5:33] Speaker 2: watched the skies. Now, the first post-shift that they witnessed,
[5:38] Speaker 2: they noticed these stars no longer responded to time or
[5:42] Speaker 2: responded to how they were clocking time. And that, you know,
[5:46] Speaker 2: how they used to in older civilizations, they called these
[5:50] Speaker 2: stars laggards. So these laggards began declining their usefulness for
[5:57] Speaker 2: them reading time. And this is the mythological fall. of
[6:02] Speaker 2: an earlier heavenly order. So this is the actual fall
[6:06] Speaker 2: that they begin to speak of in some of these
[6:09] Speaker 2: Anunnaki or Enochian books. They're actually still speaking about stars.
[6:14] Speaker 2: So the primordial mother then was transferred into the tree
[6:18] Speaker 2: of life and the serpent of life. Going back from
[6:21] Speaker 2: that Draconis and that Thuban region, it places her symbolism
[6:25] Speaker 2: in the celestial axis now within us connected to other
[6:30] Speaker 2: religious themes. And it eventually became, later in books, the
[6:35] Speaker 2: homeland of an extraterrestrial empire, Alpha Draconis. That's where the
[6:40] Speaker 2: draconian thing, all of it really came from. It wasn't
[6:44] Speaker 2: originally from the star races. They just took the name
[6:49] Speaker 2: and they gradually... And I put in my video, the
[6:52] Speaker 2: reptilian myth, Draconis wasn't even supposed to be named that.
[6:59] Speaker 2: The person, Ptolemy, that was naming the stars, he started
[7:03] Speaker 2: naming different areas of the sky in accordance to the
[7:07] Speaker 2: Greek alphabet, every 23 letters. He just did it. He
[7:11] Speaker 2: went through the first 23, then he just started doing whatever.
[7:15] Speaker 2: It was all over the place. So Draconis actually was
[7:17] Speaker 2: supposed to be Hercules, if you really look at what
[7:21] Speaker 2: it was. So it was never supposed to be called Draconis.
[7:24] Speaker 2: And had it been named Hercules, we would have never
[7:26] Speaker 2: got the word Draconian. So that's just the first portion
[7:30] Speaker 2: of it.
[7:31] Speaker 1: The reptilian myth was nothing more than an understanding of
[7:36] Speaker 1: different star systems and astrological alignments and how they affected
[7:41] Speaker 1: the current reality that.
[7:42] Speaker 2: We were in, right? Absolutely. So you get this Napchakra.
[7:47] Speaker 2: This is what you call a lunar mansion. And every
[7:50] Speaker 2: eighth day of the moon, it belongs to the quote-unquote reptilians.
[7:54] Speaker 2: It belongs to the Nagas in the Vedic history, the
[7:56] Speaker 2: Saptami days. So Ashlesha is a lunar mansion. It's called
[8:01] Speaker 2: a nakshatra. Nakshatra means that which has not destroyed you
[8:09] Speaker 2: in Vedic language. It's speaking about the celestial places in
[8:14] Speaker 2: the stars, the energy, the plasma that affects your spirit
[8:19] Speaker 2: and your soul. And these areas of the sky psychologically
[8:24] Speaker 2: imprint things karmically and into how your life is going
[8:27] Speaker 2: to go with some archonic themes with this. So from
[8:32] Speaker 2: the 16 degrees to 30 degrees in Cancer, which is
[8:36] Speaker 2: where the Freemasons, you know, they put the 69 at
[8:39] Speaker 2: the top of the Masonic symbolism that they have. You'll
[8:45] Speaker 2: see the 69. This is the Lunar Mansion, Ashlacia, which
[8:50] Speaker 2: is the only, it's the ninth, nakshatra that belongs to
[8:55] Speaker 2: the Nagas, the serpents, literally. So they're worshiping this serpent
[9:00] Speaker 2: region in the sky. And they say that supernatural serpent
[9:03] Speaker 2: deities in Hindu mythology, which I'll get into like Swarvar
[9:08] Speaker 2: Bhanu or Garuda, all these different serpent beings are associated
[9:14] Speaker 2: out of this Ashlesha portion in the sky. And basically
[9:19] Speaker 2: over time, these myths are From the Vedic texts, from
[9:23] Speaker 2: the Egyptian, from the Babylonian, they're redistributed into books adapted
[9:33] Speaker 2: from mainly H.P. Lovecraft, which I'll get into a little
[9:36] Speaker 2: bit later as well. And then they're retold again through the,
[9:42] Speaker 2: what's the guy that wrote the Earth Chronicles? He wrote
[9:46] Speaker 2: the 12 Earth Chronicles. He named the Nibiru thing, started
[9:50] Speaker 2: going to Nibiru stuff. That gets later adapted through David Icke,
[9:53] Speaker 2: and then it's reintroduced. Was it Stitchin'? Yeah, Zachariah Stitchin'.
[9:57] Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, so that gets absorbed.
[10:00] Speaker 1: In.
[10:00] Speaker 2: But there's people before him like Morning of the Magician.
[10:05] Speaker 2: Not the Morning of the Magician I think comes after
[10:06] Speaker 2: him too. But Stitchin' is a big part of that
[10:10] Speaker 2: as well. So these themes of mythologies become actual characters
[10:14] Speaker 2: in their books and then later they become of what H.P.
[10:17] Speaker 2: Lovecraft warned us about which is alien cults.
[10:22] Speaker 1: So as time goes on, we bit by bit lose
[10:25] Speaker 1: the deepest understandings, the original understandings of these concepts, which
[10:30] Speaker 1: is basically how our spirit and our soul is intertwined
[10:35] Speaker 1: with star systems and how it affects the consciousness of
[10:40] Speaker 1: individuals and the collective.
[10:42] Speaker 2: Pretty much. That's all it is. Now, if you don't
[10:46] Speaker 2: have one of these placements in your chart, if there
[10:49] Speaker 2: isn't an Ashlesha or a Garuda or they call it
[10:53] Speaker 2: a Garuda yoga, and I'm talking Vedic astrology, I'm not
[10:57] Speaker 2: talking Western astrology, because if you get into Vedic astrology,
[11:02] Speaker 2: you'll get more deeper imprints with your karma, whereas the
[11:06] Speaker 2: Western astrology is just telling you how your ego functions.
[11:09] Speaker 2: That doesn't tell you too much about your past life.
[11:12] Speaker 2: A lot of people want to know exactly what happened
[11:14] Speaker 2: in their past life. The Vedic astrology can explain that.
[11:17] Speaker 2: And there are certain serpent, serpentine Nachatras, either pertaining to
[11:23] Speaker 2: Ioni or pertaining to the actual lunar mansion or pertaining
[11:27] Speaker 2: to lunar days on which you were born on, you
[11:31] Speaker 2: have these serpentine characteristics. A lot of people who work
[11:36] Speaker 2: in pharmaceutical industries or secret government agencies, these are real
[11:45] Speaker 2: quote unquote reptilians by nature. standards of astrology, most of
[11:50] Speaker 2: them have an Ashlesha placement because Ashlesha is the ninth nakshatra.
[11:57] Speaker 2: There's also talked about the Patala realm, the Patala loka,
[12:02] Speaker 2: the subterranean realms in Hindu cosmology is a sacred geography
[12:06] Speaker 2: associated with concealed treasures or supernatural beings. And that later
[12:12] Speaker 2: is adapted and becomes the modern stories of underground reptilian
[12:16] Speaker 2: slave cities is reinterpreting this geography through the technological construction
[12:22] Speaker 2: of human captivity. But the Puronic descriptions of these lower worlds,
[12:26] Speaker 2: they're talking about magnificent beings that occupy these realms and
[12:33] Speaker 2: participate in mythological accounts as guardianships. Most of the serpents
[12:38] Speaker 2: were guarding these treasures. They weren't always bad in different cases.
[12:43] Speaker 2: There's a story of Khadru in Vananta, the mother of Garuda,
[12:49] Speaker 2: which actually becomes enslaved after Khadru uses her serpent children
[12:54] Speaker 2: to falsify the appearances of the celestial horse's tail. In
[12:59] Speaker 2: a modern account of it, it carries that subterranean bondage
[13:03] Speaker 2: because they're secretly removed from their graves and forced to
[13:06] Speaker 2: construct these underground cities while their families unknowingly bury replacement
[13:11] Speaker 2: bodies in that mythology. So that becomes a part of
[13:15] Speaker 2: that whole thing. But Garuda's recovery through the story, he
[13:19] Speaker 2: goes to the river of Amarita to free his mother.
[13:22] Speaker 2: And basically he drinks from this river and he becomes immortal.
[13:27] Speaker 2: He's regained through that. And Kadru is killed by, well,
[13:31] Speaker 2: he's not killed, but he's liberated by Vishnu. Vishnu comes
[13:36] Speaker 2: and he dances on Kadru's head. Khadru is this serpent
[13:40] Speaker 2: in the Swannuna River. I can't remember the name of
[13:44] Speaker 2: the river. It's a Vedic river. But when he does
[13:47] Speaker 2: this dance on his head, he marks this reptilian being.
[13:52] Speaker 2: And basically, so when Khadru becomes immortal, he doesn't come
[13:55] Speaker 2: back and seek revenge. He basically allows him to swim
[13:58] Speaker 2: out that river and go into another portion of that
[14:01] Speaker 2: subterranean realm.
[14:03] Speaker 1: Do you think these archetypes are... Eternal intelligences that have
[14:14] Speaker 1: always been a part of this existence. But as our
[14:19] Speaker 1: understanding grows of them and as our imagination takes over
[14:23] Speaker 1: and myths are added and the legends change, does that
[14:27] Speaker 1: directly affect that archetype? Meaning it will adjust and change
[14:33] Speaker 1: with the human consciousness with what we believe it is.
[14:36] Speaker 2: It can. Well, it depends because it's almost like a
[14:41] Speaker 2: mutation spiritually of what it was intended to be represented
[14:47] Speaker 2: in older traditions. But as the karmic time cycles change,
[14:51] Speaker 2: not only does the meaning change, the karmic imprint changes
[14:55] Speaker 2: along with what karma is actually happening right now. People
[15:00] Speaker 2: really don't understand how much karma affects us from past lives, future, um,
[15:06] Speaker 2: engagements with things karma just means actions it does it's
[15:10] Speaker 2: not the western interpretation if i do something to you
[15:13] Speaker 2: then something bad down the line because if that was
[15:15] Speaker 2: the case a lot of these people were running the
[15:17] Speaker 2: world they would have been got smited if karma was
[15:21] Speaker 2: the way that western interpretations put it so.
[15:26] Speaker 1: There were certain generations of the ruling class that intentionally
[15:31] Speaker 1: altered these basic understandings of these archetypes so that they
[15:34] Speaker 1: could take control over where the consciousness was headed.
[15:39] Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely. They created alien cults. H.P. Lovecraft, as you
[15:45] Speaker 2: may know, was an American writer. He created the Cthulhu mythos.
[15:48] Speaker 2: This is a part of the whole thing. The Call
[15:49] Speaker 2: of Cthulhu was written in 1926. It was published in 1928.
[15:53] Speaker 2: It began establishing a precedent for the later image of
[16:01] Speaker 2: prehistoric extraterrestrial gods. And their return depends on celestial alignments.
[16:07] Speaker 2: Then I just talk about those celestial places in the sky.
[16:10] Speaker 2: So there's another one called Epsilon Hydra, 95 degrees in
[16:14] Speaker 2: the sky. It's the Hydra constellation. Literally, this is a
[16:18] Speaker 2: big portion of the sky. This is not even the
[16:22] Speaker 2: areas that we're talking about, like Ashlacia, which is in Cancer.
[16:26] Speaker 2: Cancer is called the Gates of Men. Then you have
[16:29] Speaker 2: the Gates of the Gods. These places in the sky
[16:32] Speaker 2: mean something to us. What they're doing is taking the
[16:36] Speaker 2: interpretation of these places in the sky. They're reframing them
[16:41] Speaker 2: and they're creating astral egregore entities because so many people
[16:47] Speaker 2: feed into it that they become real on the astral plane.
[16:51] Speaker 2: And there's another portion of the astrology, K2, that Suavar
[16:55] Speaker 2: Bandhu is another reptilian being. He drinks from that Amrita
[16:59] Speaker 2: nectar of immortality river that Garuda drinks from. He's not
[17:04] Speaker 2: even supposed to be there. So Chandra, which is the
[17:07] Speaker 2: moon and Syria, the sun and Vishnu spots him. They
[17:11] Speaker 2: cut his head off, but because he drank from the river,
[17:14] Speaker 2: he was immortal. This becomes the ninth, no, the eighth
[17:19] Speaker 2: planetary power in the Vedic astrology called Rahu. Rahu is
[17:25] Speaker 2: the head of Swarvabandhu. Rahu represents our insatiable appetite for things.
[17:31] Speaker 2: It's our obsessions. So when you see Rahu in different places,
[17:36] Speaker 2: it's the north node in Western astrology, by the way,
[17:38] Speaker 2: is when the moon meets the ecliptic of the sun.
[17:41] Speaker 2: That literally means the serpent's head. The north node is
[17:45] Speaker 2: the serpent's head. The south node is the serpent's tails
[17:48] Speaker 2: because half of his body remained immortal too. It just
[17:52] Speaker 2: doesn't have a head. And because it doesn't have a head,
[17:55] Speaker 2: wherever that placement is, that's what you're detached from easily.
[17:59] Speaker 2: Wherever K2 is, your chart you get easily detached in
[18:06] Speaker 2: that area of the houses so k2 represents something very
[18:12] Speaker 2: significant in this world actually represents transhumanism it represents ai
[18:18] Speaker 2: all of that fits in the category because they regard
[18:20] Speaker 2: the north node in in vedic astrology literally as a
[18:24] Speaker 2: planet it's actually a shadow planet is the collective of
[18:27] Speaker 2: the shadows of all of the planets their plasma casts
[18:31] Speaker 2: a shadow that shadow becomes, it affects our karma because
[18:36] Speaker 2: it's so great of a shadow. It was called a
[18:38] Speaker 2: Chaya planet that it begins to have an effect on
[18:42] Speaker 2: us psychologically. And I explained that earlier. So Lovecraft, he
[18:48] Speaker 2: talks about these enormous cities way before humanity. And he
[18:54] Speaker 2: talks about how they're connected. The cities are built based
[18:59] Speaker 2: on astronomical conditions regarding the placements based on the stars.
[19:05] Speaker 2: So the cities are built based on where different regions
[19:09] Speaker 2: of the sky is. That sounds like how we build
[19:11] Speaker 2: things too, right? You look at the Vatican in different places.
[19:14] Speaker 2: So these beings, these extraterrestrial gods, they're human worshipers preserved
[19:20] Speaker 2: accounts in his books of these beings across generations. So
[19:24] Speaker 2: the relationship becomes revealing later in history in ancient astronaut literature,
[19:30] Speaker 2: that the old ones were remembered through enormous stone structures
[19:35] Speaker 2: and sacred images, even after their civilization had disappeared beneath
[19:39] Speaker 2: the sea. That's the Rayleigh. But when you study the
[19:44] Speaker 2: name of these gods, like for instance, Cthulhu, it comes
[19:48] Speaker 2: from an Arabic word. called Al-Kalthulu. And Al-Kalthulu is a
[19:55] Speaker 2: metaphor for cosmic falsehood, cosmic fake news, as Trump was saying.
[20:02] Speaker 2: So it's a cosmic version of fake news. That's literally
[20:04] Speaker 2: what Cthulhu means. It means cosmic fake news. Wow. So
[20:08] Speaker 2: the stories that later gets transferred from the extraterrestrial gods
[20:12] Speaker 2: in these earlier books that a lot of these writers
[20:15] Speaker 2: and these influencers, historically, they read, they become later the
[20:22] Speaker 2: extraterrestrial gods, reptilians. That's all it is. And it's cosmic
[20:27] Speaker 2: fake news to the mind. You got to know the origins.
[20:31] Speaker 1: It's crazy. So much of our mythology that we hold
[20:36] Speaker 1: dear as something uncorruptible, even at its foundation, at least
[20:41] Speaker 1: the earliest that most people go back to, has been
[20:45] Speaker 1: thoroughly corrupted from the get-go.
[20:48] Speaker 2: Right, right. It gets out of control. In the 1960s,
[20:56] Speaker 2: Louis Powell and Jacques Berzé They published The Morning of
[21:02] Speaker 2: the Magicians. You ever heard of this book?
[21:04] Speaker 1: I've heard of it.
[21:06] Speaker 2: That was followed by Eric Von Daniken's Chariots of the Gods, 1968.
[21:11] Speaker 2: That's the traceable literature of how it becomes what it is.
[21:17] Speaker 2: And it's centered around popular extraterrestrial speculation. Both Powell and
[21:25] Speaker 2: Berze were familiar with Lovecraft's fiction. They talked about and
[21:30] Speaker 2: drew upon earlier writers like Charles Fort. So their book
[21:35] Speaker 2: actually represents an ancient history of unusual interpretations of lost
[21:41] Speaker 2: knowledge and advanced beings. And Von Daniken, he popularized those
[21:49] Speaker 2: similar arguments by reinterpreting them into a religious imagery and
[21:53] Speaker 2: monumental structures as evidence of visitors from space. This wasn't
[21:59] Speaker 2: what it was. It wasn't that. This is him replacing it.
[22:04] Speaker 2: And then it continues. I'm going to be honest. This
[22:09] Speaker 2: is my opinion. This is the beginning of grifting, I believe.
[22:16] Speaker 2: This is how, because all they did was take a
[22:19] Speaker 2: mythology from Lovecraft and literally verbatim on my video, Reptilian Myth,
[22:24] Speaker 2: I would read certain areas of the book They just
[22:27] Speaker 2: copied the whole entire line out of Lovecraft's books. Like,
[22:32] Speaker 2: from the sky, da-da-da-da-da. Here they come. Da-da-da-da-da.
[22:36] Speaker 1: N.J.
[22:36] Speaker 2: Ashford. Stuff like that. But I got a lot more.
[22:41] Speaker 2: Charles Hapgood, Emanuel Velikovsky. Velikovsky. Yeah, he did the same thing.
[22:51] Speaker 1: And what adds to it is the interactions people have,
[22:55] Speaker 1: the contact experiences, the abductions. Because these egregores are so powerful,
[23:02] Speaker 1: they've taken on essentially a life of their own and
[23:05] Speaker 1: they can interact with us in different ways. Most people
[23:08] Speaker 1: would have... no idea that it is an archetype trying
[23:13] Speaker 1: to interact with them. They believe they are face-to-face with
[23:17] Speaker 1: an extraterrestrial reptilian, and they come out with their stories,
[23:21] Speaker 1: they share them with the world, and it further solidifies
[23:25] Speaker 1: these myths.
[23:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, so in esoteric terminology, it's called the dweller of
[23:30] Speaker 2: the threshold. So each of our personalities, we have the
[23:34] Speaker 2: subconscious plane that develops a portion of our who we are,
[23:40] Speaker 2: but it's not really conditioned by our control. What is
[23:44] Speaker 2: supposed to shape this thing and utilize it as a
[23:48] Speaker 2: powerful will type of thing for us is meditation. That's
[23:54] Speaker 2: what the gurus will tell you. You have to meditate
[23:57] Speaker 2: because there's the inner devil. That's what the weather of
[24:00] Speaker 2: the threshold is. That's reinterpreted. It becomes a part of
[24:07] Speaker 2: something demonic. Or the Dubok. The demon in the Kabbalah
[24:12] Speaker 2: is called a Dubok. I don't even believe in the word,
[24:14] Speaker 2: the actual terminology of what demon is. It's something different.
[24:19] Speaker 2: But it keeps going. It passes on Robert Temple's The
[24:24] Speaker 2: Serious Mystery. L. Ron Hubbard's whole extraterrestrial cosmologies is all
[24:31] Speaker 2: made up. The Council of Nine Narratives. It becomes.
[24:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, it becomes comprehensive accounts of humanity's cosmic origins. Now,
[24:45] Speaker 2: going back to what I said earlier, Asia and Africa
[24:49] Speaker 2: has the longest history in looking into reptilians. You heard
[24:56] Speaker 2: of Credo Mutua, South African healer. He talked about the Chittahori.
[25:03] Speaker 2: That's where David Icke actually began his mythos. And he's
[25:08] Speaker 2: still going with it. So there were South African serpent narratives,
[25:12] Speaker 2: claims of extraterrestrial domination. In China, they talked about the Xinlong,
[25:18] Speaker 2: the Chinese rain dragon, or the Ananta Shesha, the cosmic
[25:23] Speaker 2: serpent of Vishnu. Or here in America, Kukakan, the Mesoamerican
[25:29] Speaker 2: feathered serpent deity. He said, Mutua was saying that these
[25:34] Speaker 2: beings influence humanity through concealment and domination. And I connected
[25:41] Speaker 2: that with accounts of his wider narrative involving shape-shifting rulers
[25:46] Speaker 2: and secret bloodlines. Nothing ever said anything about shape-shifting nothing
[25:53] Speaker 2: or secret bloodlines. I'm telling you, this was added. This
[25:58] Speaker 2: was something, this is called hyperstition. Nick Land talks about it,
[26:02] Speaker 2: the hyperstition. He's one of them too. But the hyperstitional reality,
[26:08] Speaker 2: they're basically drawing up their own mythoposis. It's a mythology
[26:13] Speaker 2: being created and it's said enough times that people literally
[26:18] Speaker 2: believe this thing. You go on Twitter right now, there's
[26:21] Speaker 2: people literally dressing up as reptilians now. There's a guy
[26:25] Speaker 2: that I get my parlays. I look at parlays. His
[26:27] Speaker 2: name is Jake Venom. He wears a reptilian mask that's
[26:30] Speaker 2: half human, half reptilian. Oh, wow. But these traditions from
[26:34] Speaker 2: Africa and Asia, the beings were associated with water and rainfall.
[26:40] Speaker 2: It wasn't nothing evil. It wasn't nothing shape-shifting. Others were
[26:45] Speaker 2: spoken about of being guarding sacred palaces or representing divine continuity.
[26:52] Speaker 2: Like in Chinese mythology, the dragon Shenlong, he governs any
[26:57] Speaker 2: rain-related symbolism. Or you got the dragon... or serpent being Shulong,
[27:04] Speaker 2: which appears in the accounts of cosmic illuminations of the
[27:07] Speaker 2: ordering of day and night. These narratives basically expand the
[27:13] Speaker 2: mythological functions and claims that serpent civilizations regulate the weather.
[27:18] Speaker 2: So they actually believe that the weather is regulated. I mean,
[27:21] Speaker 2: you look into mythology, a lot of serpent beings are
[27:26] Speaker 2: associated with water, especially in astrology, in Vedic astrology. They
[27:33] Speaker 2: took that and they said that reptilian beings created gray
[27:36] Speaker 2: aliens to monitor humanity. This has nothing like, I'm going
[27:41] Speaker 2: to ask you a question. Where did the, what do
[27:47] Speaker 2: they call it? The star races come from? Who gave
[27:51] Speaker 2: us originally the star races like grays and draconians?
[27:56] Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
[27:57] Speaker 2: Well, there you go. I'm not sure either. So the
[28:01] Speaker 2: point is, where do these things come from? Well, if
[28:03] Speaker 2: we don't know the origin, which I'm very confident you
[28:07] Speaker 2: will research yourself like myself, and you bring on an
[28:10] Speaker 2: amazing guest, we don't know where these things come from.
[28:13] Speaker 2: So they're creating modern mythology in front of our eyes,
[28:18] Speaker 2: and we're just going with it, and we're feeding this
[28:21] Speaker 2: egregore in the astral plane. And honestly... it could become
[28:29] Speaker 2: real in the, in the cliffotic side of understanding of
[28:33] Speaker 2: what's going on.
[28:36] Speaker 1: Would you say that in astral realms, in our dreams,
[28:40] Speaker 1: in altered states, the state of awareness that we can
[28:45] Speaker 1: achieve when we're having those experiences, are these beings existing there?
[28:52] Speaker 1: Do they take on a life of their own? And essentially,
[28:55] Speaker 1: that's where they are residing is the astral realms.
[28:58] Speaker 2: I'm going to put it like this. You ever heard
[29:00] Speaker 2: of the antimimos? No. The antimimos is a metaphysical term.
[29:05] Speaker 2: It's associated with the imitation or a counterfeit of a likeness. Philosophically,
[29:13] Speaker 2: it's what the walk-in is, where one identity supposedly occupies
[29:17] Speaker 2: another body, but it was supposed to be an ancient
[29:20] Speaker 2: celestial serpent being. that can acquire a completely different explanation
[29:26] Speaker 2: in its appearance or made recognizable through the mythology. So
[29:31] Speaker 2: what you're talking about is an antimimos, or antimimos is
[29:35] Speaker 2: the term associated later in Mesoamerican myths, They talk about
[29:40] Speaker 2: the Watico. Same thing. It's a mind virus, Chris. We
[29:46] Speaker 2: have a virus. And the symptoms is regurgitation and belief
[29:55] Speaker 2: that is real so much that it doesn't matter to
[29:59] Speaker 2: people anymore. where the accounts originated. You won't hear a
[30:02] Speaker 2: person who believes in reptilians ever question, where do these
[30:07] Speaker 2: things originate? So the only cure for it is truth.
[30:12] Speaker 2: Someone having a counter narrative instead of just going with
[30:15] Speaker 2: the flow because somebody says it. Yes, in our dreams,
[30:20] Speaker 2: the anti-mymos is more powerful. It's even more powerful in
[30:26] Speaker 2: the dreams because many people in psychedelic states or altered
[30:32] Speaker 2: states of the mind is where the quote unquote reptilian
[30:37] Speaker 2: is more present to them. Then it's transferred into reality.
[30:42] Speaker 2: I meant to say earlier, the serpent head Rahu also
[30:47] Speaker 2: causes illusions. People say that they've seen reptilians. This could
[30:54] Speaker 2: mean that in reality, dimensional spaces the energy is so
[31:03] Speaker 2: strong in the astral plane that these beings could possibly
[31:08] Speaker 2: exist in in in universes or i want to say
[31:11] Speaker 2: universe they exist in dimensions that we ourselves created.
[31:17] Speaker 1: Do you think the original archetypes are still At some
[31:22] Speaker 1: level operating at very deep levels, and if we strip
[31:26] Speaker 1: away all these false understandings and the nonsense and propaganda
[31:31] Speaker 1: that has been built on top of the original archetypes,
[31:34] Speaker 1: if we eventually are able to collectively strip that away,
[31:37] Speaker 1: would we then revive that original archetype?
[31:43] Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it's so buried in there.
[31:47] Speaker 2: It's so buried. Because some of these guys I named today,
[31:51] Speaker 2: they're very likable guys. Some of these people, David Icke,
[31:56] Speaker 2: Von Daniken. So you have to go to the people
[32:00] Speaker 2: that you trusted with a lot of information and realize
[32:04] Speaker 2: that they completely created a mythoposis. They grifted off it.
[32:13] Speaker 2: They got donations and they got a larger platform off
[32:16] Speaker 2: it to push the narrative. Now, I'm not going to
[32:20] Speaker 2: go as far as to say that it will never
[32:24] Speaker 2: go away because I don't know what the future entails.
[32:27] Speaker 2: But I think at the moment in our lifetime, heck no.
[32:31] Speaker 1: I'd like to get your thoughts on what's unfolding with
[32:34] Speaker 1: modern experiences with reptilians, some of the abduction stories you
[32:39] Speaker 1: hear about, even MKUltra and the secret space program. I
[32:45] Speaker 1: find it very interesting that many MKUltra victims that were
[32:50] Speaker 1: in some of these programs, especially the more occult side,
[32:54] Speaker 1: claim to have experience with reptilian beings. One of the examples,
[32:59] Speaker 1: and I don't know if it was an MKUltra case,
[33:02] Speaker 1: but this Marine was being put through some kind of program,
[33:07] Speaker 1: and he was drugged one evening. And this seems to
[33:09] Speaker 1: be a common theme with the reptilian stories, but he
[33:12] Speaker 1: was drugged. brought to this facility where he was shown craft,
[33:17] Speaker 1: alien technology, and then they opened a hangar and this
[33:22] Speaker 1: seven or eight foot tall reptilian just walked right up
[33:25] Speaker 1: to him. They were told not to break ranks. He
[33:28] Speaker 1: said he was with a bunch of other Marines and
[33:30] Speaker 1: they all broke rank when they saw this thing. All
[33:32] Speaker 1: of them started freaking out. He approached them, got in
[33:35] Speaker 1: their faces. They could smell the thing's breath. They could
[33:38] Speaker 1: smell the reptilian. It seemed very physical. But again, I
[33:42] Speaker 1: have to go back to the fact that he was
[33:43] Speaker 1: drugged in the beginning. We have so many of these
[33:47] Speaker 1: experiences where people claim to see physical reptilians, to interact
[33:52] Speaker 1: with the physical beings. There's so many connections with the
[33:56] Speaker 1: possibility that this is a consciousness phenomenon, but then you
[33:59] Speaker 1: get those very strange physical ones too.
[34:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is a very, very deep, secret,
[34:07] Speaker 2: black budget operation happening all over the world now. in
[34:12] Speaker 2: influencing us to believe what we're seeing in these MK
[34:17] Speaker 2: ultra cases. And don't forget that we actually had a
[34:21] Speaker 2: MK ultra. Um, we had, we brought cases to the
[34:27] Speaker 2: Senate and literally had people talk about it this year, 2026.
[34:31] Speaker 2: They had discussions about it. Now they didn't talk about
[34:35] Speaker 2: project soul catcher project, Satan silent assassination through a Adaptive Networks,
[34:42] Speaker 2: Project Christ, Common Human Routines, Interference Software Technology. You know,
[34:48] Speaker 2: these things, literally, if you look into that book on
[34:52] Speaker 2: Project Soul Catcher, I forgot the name of the author,
[34:54] Speaker 2: but he will tell you that this thing has been
[34:57] Speaker 2: going on for a while. And they have the technology,
[35:00] Speaker 2: whether it's nano or whether it's electromagnetic waves to implant
[35:06] Speaker 2: thoughts into our minds.
[35:09] Speaker 1: And that's what this Project Soul Catcher is?
[35:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. There is actually a guy in Florida that
[35:18] Speaker 2: was convinced to shoot some people in a Florida incident.
[35:23] Speaker 2: I can't remember the guy. It's slipping my mind. But
[35:25] Speaker 2: I did put it on my page. I posted it
[35:29] Speaker 2: a while back, probably a year back, that he said
[35:32] Speaker 2: that he was involved in Project Soul Catcher. He was ex-military, too.
[35:37] Speaker 2: So a lot of people, ex-military, they get involved with
[35:40] Speaker 2: it because it's easy. You know, you don't know what
[35:43] Speaker 2: they've done to military folks, what they're doing to them.
[35:46] Speaker 2: But I would assume that they're prime research subjects. Then
[35:52] Speaker 2: they have the Obsidian Brain Project, where they're combining these
[35:57] Speaker 2: dense neural networks with a mass linked knowledge graph, which
[36:02] Speaker 2: can map our behaviors, you know, predict our routines, etc.
[36:08] Speaker 2: adapt to our outputs around group patterns. That sounds like
[36:13] Speaker 2: something that they could use simultaneously with soul catchers, Satan
[36:17] Speaker 2: and Christ, these other things. So they're predicting what we
[36:23] Speaker 2: would do. Not only that, they're projecting through the electromagnetic waves,
[36:28] Speaker 2: through the nanotechnology with what's going on with chemtrails, contrails.
[36:33] Speaker 2: You can get a book by Ilana Freeland. which you've
[36:35] Speaker 2: interviewed here, she talks about that. All of it is
[36:40] Speaker 2: for the purpose of controlling minds. And they can implement
[36:44] Speaker 2: this mythology into our minds where we begin to worship,
[36:49] Speaker 2: or not even worship, be aware, at least, consciously aware
[36:54] Speaker 2: of aliens, which will develop or envelop into different cults.
[36:59] Speaker 2: And eventually it will bridge off into some type of
[37:04] Speaker 2: AI type thing where AI actually becomes the intelligence that
[37:10] Speaker 2: we were seeking for the whole time. It literally becomes
[37:14] Speaker 2: some type of alien invasion through AI tech, through virtual reality.
[37:21] Speaker 2: All of these things become interconnected. And the serpent, which
[37:25] Speaker 2: comes from a South African word, Noga, it means to illuminate.
[37:30] Speaker 2: The illumination, it comes from Venus because Venus is the
[37:34] Speaker 2: brightest planet in the sky. That's why it's associated with Lucifer,
[37:38] Speaker 2: the light. Loga and Soto in South African language means
[37:46] Speaker 2: gleaming illumination where it's intoxicating. So the virtual reality, the
[37:54] Speaker 2: mind control is going to intoxicate us and we're not
[37:56] Speaker 2: going to be able to discern what's real and what's
[37:59] Speaker 2: fake pretty soon.
[38:01] Speaker 1: Not to get too far away from reptilians, but another
[38:05] Speaker 1: aspect of the alien abduction UFO phenomena that points to
[38:11] Speaker 1: it being a consciousness phenomena is when people claim to
[38:16] Speaker 1: see orbs, they're out in the woods somewhere or even
[38:20] Speaker 1: they're in their room and an orb comes in their room.
[38:22] Speaker 1: And the next thing you know, they're looking at the
[38:24] Speaker 1: orb and then they're all of a sudden on a
[38:26] Speaker 1: craft and they're having this immersive experience with extraterrestrials. when
[38:32] Speaker 1: the experience is over, somehow they wake back up in
[38:34] Speaker 1: their bed. But I've had a few guests on, including
[38:37] Speaker 1: Joshua Cutchin, that postulates that the orbs act as a
[38:44] Speaker 1: hypnotic connection. Whenever you see the orb, it puts you
[38:48] Speaker 1: into this altered state, which allows you to access these
[38:53] Speaker 1: astral entities and have interactions with them. What do you
[38:56] Speaker 1: think about that?
[38:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually talked about that once. Um, These orbs
[39:02] Speaker 2: are actually DARPA projects as well. They come from DARPA. Originally,
[39:08] Speaker 2: I was researching the word hunter a lot. They were
[39:11] Speaker 2: saying hunter in the news a whole lot. You know,
[39:14] Speaker 2: Hunter Biden. Trump was saying hunter. Hunter is over and over.
[39:17] Speaker 2: And then I realized, looking into my esoteric research over
[39:21] Speaker 2: the last couple of years, that hunter could literally mean
[39:26] Speaker 2: a government remote viewer. and the remote viewer is sort
[39:33] Speaker 2: of like trained in the occult to use sorcery and
[39:40] Speaker 2: what they can do so the nanotechnology in the sky
[39:44] Speaker 2: that ilana freeland talks about i don't have time to
[39:47] Speaker 2: break down the science but it may sound kind of woo,
[39:51] Speaker 2: but these people can literally use how the atmosphere is being,
[39:59] Speaker 2: is being controlled through the nano, whatever they're putting in
[40:03] Speaker 2: the sky. They can send their spirits up into that nanotech.
[40:11] Speaker 2: And actually the nanotechnology can congeal And the congealing can
[40:16] Speaker 2: become an orb where the remote viewer can fly the
[40:19] Speaker 2: orb with their minds. Wow. So imagine a bunch of,
[40:25] Speaker 2: you can look at this as a TV series that
[40:28] Speaker 2: literally shows this, um, Stephen King's, um, the Institute.
[40:34] Speaker 1: I saw that. Yeah. Okay.
[40:36] Speaker 2: You remember when the kids was in the room and
[40:38] Speaker 2: they were, they were, uh, they had these, these virtual reality, um,
[40:43] Speaker 2: things over their over their uh faces yeah they were
[40:46] Speaker 2: flying the the planes and they were causing planes to
[40:49] Speaker 2: crash in the sky yeah the same thing that you
[40:53] Speaker 2: saw in that they're finding gay program people and they're
[40:59] Speaker 2: recruiting them to become those black project remote viewers.
[41:05] Speaker 1: Do you think all the orbs that people are seeing
[41:08] Speaker 1: these plasmatic lights are what you're discussing now.
[41:13] Speaker 2: No, not all of them, no. I think some of
[41:14] Speaker 2: them are reverse-engineered tech, and some of them are actually real.
[41:19] Speaker 2: I think some of the orbs, if you're talking about orbs,
[41:22] Speaker 2: then yeah, I think that probably could be some advanced
[41:25] Speaker 2: spiritual technology. It could be multidimensional. But you want to
[41:31] Speaker 2: talk about the triangles or other stuff, I don't know.
[41:35] Speaker 1: Right, right.
[41:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[41:37] Speaker 1: Going back to the abduction experiences that people have, For example,
[41:43] Speaker 1: when someone is taken on a craft and they're shown
[41:46] Speaker 1: their hybrid child and they have genetic experiments done, eggs
[41:50] Speaker 1: or sperm removed, what do you think is happening here
[41:55] Speaker 1: at the deeper levels?
[41:58] Speaker 2: I think it's just another MKUltra operation of the moon child.
[42:04] Speaker 2: I don't think there's a physical ship that... a high
[42:10] Speaker 2: advanced extraterrestrial will want to put you on to show
[42:14] Speaker 2: you anything. I don't even think that an extraterrestrial would
[42:18] Speaker 2: take on a humanoid form. Why would it look humanoid?
[42:22] Speaker 2: Why would it have arms? Why would it have legs?
[42:24] Speaker 2: Why would it have what we think it looks like?
[42:26] Speaker 2: We're so egotistical. There's how many billions of different forms
[42:32] Speaker 2: it can take and we think it'll look like us.
[42:35] Speaker 2: We think it'll look like a actual creature on this planet,
[42:39] Speaker 2: a reptile on this planet, when it can take on
[42:43] Speaker 2: a billion other forms. That's what I mean. That's the
[42:47] Speaker 2: control part of it. Just because a bunch of people
[42:50] Speaker 2: have said they've seen it, that doesn't mean that there's
[42:52] Speaker 2: not a psychological operation going on with it. They're trying
[42:57] Speaker 2: to convince the rest of us of what it is.
[43:01] Speaker 2: So when it happens to you, you can believe that
[43:03] Speaker 2: it's real, then they can tell you what it is.
[43:06] Speaker 2: So if some people are saying they're being abducted, more
[43:09] Speaker 2: than likely these are Black Project DARPA experiments. Maybe there's
[43:17] Speaker 2: something connected to their bloodline. Maybe they did some research
[43:21] Speaker 2: on your astrology or your blood or whatever from the
[43:24] Speaker 2: hospital when you were born and they wanted to experiment
[43:29] Speaker 2: on you. I don't know. But to say that these
[43:32] Speaker 2: people are all saying... Some type of extraterrestrial has done this. Me, personally,
[43:41] Speaker 2: I would highly doubt that.
[43:43] Speaker 1: Beyond the surface levels of the disclosure we're experiencing right now,
[43:48] Speaker 1: just had some interesting events with high-level individuals, intelligence people.
[43:54] Speaker 1: like Grush going on Rogan and talking about battles with reptilians,
[43:59] Speaker 1: crash retrievals, all this very physical phenomena that supposedly has
[44:06] Speaker 1: been unfolding. What do you think is going on at
[44:10] Speaker 1: a deeper level with this?
[44:12] Speaker 2: I believe that it's all Sabbatean Frankism. I think there's
[44:17] Speaker 2: an inversion of spiritual science being convoluted and formed into
[44:22] Speaker 2: a mythoposis where these people can be the prime grifters.
[44:25] Speaker 2: They get to go on the big podcasts and they
[44:28] Speaker 2: get to spew what these things are. And then people
[44:32] Speaker 2: can say, yeah, that's what happened to me. And they
[44:37] Speaker 2: go on and they get podcasts and now they can grif.
[44:41] Speaker 2: So it's just a reoccurring thing. It's just an egotistical
[44:46] Speaker 2: mind virus that's occurring. And the main purpose of Sabbatean
[44:53] Speaker 2: Frankism is to invert reality within itself, invert what's originally
[45:00] Speaker 2: supposed to be understood. So if we're going to be
[45:03] Speaker 2: on the surface level with this thing and just let
[45:06] Speaker 2: any person that's been in some type of military project,
[45:09] Speaker 2: some type of space program, which we know all of
[45:12] Speaker 2: them pretty much are initiated in secret societies, damn near
[45:16] Speaker 2: all of them, then how can we sit here just
[45:21] Speaker 2: because a person can articulate themselves very well, does it
[45:26] Speaker 2: mean that they're correct? Now there's probably portions of things
[45:30] Speaker 2: that they can say that are half truths, but that
[45:34] Speaker 2: doesn't mean the main message that they're selling on these
[45:38] Speaker 2: big time podcast platforms. You're supposed to believe it, but
[45:42] Speaker 2: people are going to believe what they want to believe.
[45:44] Speaker 2: And I think we've been bitten, so to speak by
[45:48] Speaker 2: the serpent.
[45:50] Speaker 1: Right. It's, is further solidifying some of the theories I
[45:54] Speaker 1: had about super soldiers in the secret space program. I've
[45:58] Speaker 1: interviewed many people that have claimed to been a part
[46:02] Speaker 1: of some of these projects. Most of them, it would seem,
[46:06] Speaker 1: truly believe their experiences. I think what you were saying
[46:11] Speaker 1: is 100% correct that these people from a very early age,
[46:16] Speaker 1: most of them probably coming from military and intelligence families,
[46:21] Speaker 1: are being groomed and programmed to perpetuate certain narratives. Some
[46:27] Speaker 1: of these people who are now in the mainstream, who
[46:29] Speaker 1: are doing conferences and writing books about their extraterrestrial experiences,
[46:34] Speaker 1: were most likely groomed from a very young age, and
[46:38] Speaker 1: their experiences were real for them, even though they were
[46:43] Speaker 1: orchestrated by some kind of shady three-letter organization or military group,
[46:48] Speaker 1: but these people from their youngest of age, had these horrific,
[46:53] Speaker 1: traumatic experiences just for the sole purpose of them going
[46:59] Speaker 1: out and talking about these experiences to put them out
[47:03] Speaker 1: in the collective consciousness and solidify these possibilities.
[47:08] Speaker 2: That's all it is. That's all it is. And if
[47:11] Speaker 2: you repeat it enough, you know, it becomes conscious. If
[47:17] Speaker 2: you repeat it enough, but that doesn't mean see a
[47:20] Speaker 2: lie can begin as a lie and it can start
[47:23] Speaker 2: to sound like the truth. The longer that is told,
[47:27] Speaker 2: why don't they go into the origins of these things
[47:30] Speaker 2: on these podcasts? Why don't they ever go into the origins?
[47:34] Speaker 2: Why do we have to always go back to the Anunnaki?
[47:38] Speaker 2: You know, why? I've heard the word Anunnaki more than
[47:45] Speaker 2: business models. Yeah. You know, people don't even know how
[47:49] Speaker 2: to start a business model, but they know the word Anunnaki,
[47:53] Speaker 2: you know, and Neburu and all these things, Zachariah's Titian.
[47:59] Speaker 2: People really got to look into that and understand. And
[48:02] Speaker 2: even if you don't do the research, I would just
[48:04] Speaker 2: tell people to question what's being pushed on the mainstream platforms.
[48:11] Speaker 2: Not to completely just say, oh, just because Ani said it,
[48:14] Speaker 2: I don't need to believe it. But just question it.
[48:16] Speaker 2: A question means, well, I don't know. You're looking at
[48:18] Speaker 2: that a little bit more, you know?
[48:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[48:21] Speaker 2: And what is the origin of it? You say the
[48:22] Speaker 2: word reptilian. Where did the word reptilian originate? Who created
[48:27] Speaker 2: the star races? What did they call it? The Galactic Confederation?
[48:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[48:32] Speaker 2: Who came up with that? Literally, we don't even know
[48:35] Speaker 2: who came up with it. I did a list of
[48:37] Speaker 2: people going all the way back to the Theosophists that
[48:41] Speaker 2: started this whole thing. It was a long list. Chris,
[48:44] Speaker 2: it took me like an hour to get through this list.
[48:47] Speaker 2: I was just going through names. And I'm not saying
[48:48] Speaker 2: that all of these people are phonies or fakes or grifters,
[48:52] Speaker 2: but a lot of them was doing a lot of grifting.
[48:55] Speaker 2: Some people were so inspired by the grifting that they
[48:58] Speaker 2: did the research and found some real truths. They helped humanity.
[49:03] Speaker 2: They helped us with a lot of things. But yeah,
[49:06] Speaker 2: it just starts to spin out of control.
[49:09] Speaker 1: Whenever folks are... remote viewing having out of body experiences
[49:14] Speaker 1: I heard many talk about they have jobs to do
[49:17] Speaker 1: in the astral realm you even go to people's super
[49:21] Speaker 1: soldier secret space program experience where they claim their consciousness
[49:27] Speaker 1: is transferred into a clone or into a different dimension
[49:32] Speaker 1: and they're having these experiences. Are these realms where these
[49:36] Speaker 1: people are coming into contact with these beings, are they
[49:42] Speaker 1: artificially constructed by our collective consciousness or is there aspects
[49:48] Speaker 1: of it that is completely synthetic in a sense that
[49:52] Speaker 1: it was created by these three letter agencies?
[49:56] Speaker 2: Well, I've got to look into that. The first thing
[49:57] Speaker 2: I'm going to look into is a person's chart. I
[50:00] Speaker 2: would say that because if I know the chart, I
[50:03] Speaker 2: know the soul and the karma. Okay. Your karma a lot,
[50:08] Speaker 2: Kinda dictates this type of thing, Chris. You know, some
[50:12] Speaker 2: people really are having experiences. A lot, I'll say 90%
[50:18] Speaker 2: of it is this distortion through these black budget projects.
[50:23] Speaker 2: I don't think that it's literally just a multi-dimensional experience
[50:27] Speaker 2: everyone is having. Now, I will say, these stars are
[50:33] Speaker 2: affecting consciousness in a way that you're able to tap
[50:37] Speaker 2: into your multidimensional self. Like when you say a clone,
[50:41] Speaker 2: I wouldn't even use that because a clone technically is
[50:45] Speaker 2: a body constructed here that someone puts you in or
[50:50] Speaker 2: someone created a clone consciousness in a version of you,
[50:54] Speaker 2: but it's you, but in a whole other multiverse version
[51:01] Speaker 2: of yourself. Dreams prototypically occur in the multiverse. That's not
[51:07] Speaker 2: you because a lot of instances and dreams, if you
[51:10] Speaker 2: think about it, it may be in a familiar place
[51:13] Speaker 2: that you recognize, sometimes not, but it never occurred in
[51:17] Speaker 2: your past, right? That never occurred. This is something brand new.
[51:21] Speaker 2: So maybe in a different multiverse, you're dreaming of what's
[51:27] Speaker 2: actually happening there and they're dreaming of what's actually happening here.
[51:32] Speaker 1: Right.
[51:34] Speaker 2: You're only getting glimpses of it because your pineal is
[51:39] Speaker 2: so calcified with this, the food industry and the stuff that's,
[51:43] Speaker 2: you know, we're not taking our vitamins. We're not, we're
[51:47] Speaker 2: in the worst health portion of history, probably ever, not
[51:53] Speaker 2: just because we can go to the gym and make
[51:56] Speaker 2: our bodies look good, but mainly because there's so much
[52:00] Speaker 2: synthetic material. being put inside of these things, the synthetic
[52:05] Speaker 2: material was probably affecting the electromagnetism around us and our aura.
[52:10] Speaker 2: And it could, they probably did the research with some
[52:14] Speaker 2: evil genius of how that could affect how we see
[52:17] Speaker 2: multidimensional realities. That's a possibility.
[52:21] Speaker 1: Do you remember a while back on the news, they
[52:24] Speaker 1: had this story going around where some kind of mental
[52:29] Speaker 1: condition where people would perceive someone else as a reptilian
[52:33] Speaker 1: or a demonic being. Do you remember when that story
[52:36] Speaker 1: was going out?
[52:37] Speaker 2: The evil face?
[52:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[52:38] Speaker 2: Yeah. And that came out around the same time that
[52:41] Speaker 2: the movie Smile came out. Oh, interesting. So the movie
[52:46] Speaker 2: Smile was about, you know, someone who had an entity
[52:49] Speaker 2: inside of them and it starts as a smile, then
[52:51] Speaker 2: it becomes some type of demonic apparition that hunts the person.
[52:55] Speaker 1: Right.
[52:55] Speaker 2: The same thing, like what's going on with the Lindsay
[52:58] Speaker 2: Clancy case. Now you've got movies coming out called Mother. Yeah.
[53:03] Speaker 2: They're doing the same. That's hyperstitionality.
[53:07] Speaker 1: We also have these situations where newscasters or celebrities, you'll
[53:13] Speaker 1: get a glimpse of their eye looking like it's shift-shifting
[53:17] Speaker 1: into a reptilian slit. Oh, no. And then the Susan
[53:20] Speaker 1: Dell lady standing next to Trump the other day, the
[53:24] Speaker 1: commotion around that, how she looked like an alien. Someone
[53:27] Speaker 1: even posted a close-up of her eyeball and it did
[53:30] Speaker 1: some kind of shape-shifting thing. Number one, of course, we
[53:33] Speaker 1: can't ever know if any of that is real. Anything
[53:36] Speaker 1: we see on social media or TV has been altered
[53:40] Speaker 1: in some way and it's impossible to tell what is
[53:44] Speaker 1: AI and what isn't. But is it possible that there are...
[53:49] Speaker 1: people that may have this reptilian spirit within them that
[53:55] Speaker 1: manifests in a physical way sometimes?
[54:01] Speaker 2: I don't believe that. I don't tell you what's going on.
[54:05] Speaker 2: All right. They've studied the subconscious of civilizations and what's
[54:17] Speaker 2: occurring or what's popular now, like you heard of LifeLog,
[54:21] Speaker 2: what happened with Facebook, right? They know we talk about
[54:27] Speaker 2: reptilians and Anunnaki stuff all day. So what they're doing,
[54:31] Speaker 2: there's another Black budget project. We're going to start making
[54:36] Speaker 2: people look like this. And not only that, it can
[54:42] Speaker 2: get to a level, Chris, where they can synthetically create
[54:47] Speaker 2: beings so in the future i believe there will be
[54:54] Speaker 2: reptilians synthetically created there will be robots with reptilian faces
[55:04] Speaker 2: in the future because they see how captivated we are
[55:09] Speaker 2: by it we're drawn to it so they say what
[55:12] Speaker 2: we what we need to do we need to get
[55:15] Speaker 2: the weirdest looking person, I got a bunch of money
[55:18] Speaker 2: and put them next to Trump. There's nothing, there's no
[55:24] Speaker 2: reason for this woman to be next to Trump. Oh,
[55:27] Speaker 2: you know what? There's, you know, in the Bible, the
[55:30] Speaker 2: woman in Babylon in red, we're going to put her
[55:32] Speaker 2: in all red. Wouldn't that be cool? I bet you
[55:35] Speaker 2: would get a billion views and it damn sure did.
[55:40] Speaker 1: It did.
[55:41] Speaker 2: So this is how I see it and People are
[55:46] Speaker 2: going to eat it up. Listen, this is not the
[55:48] Speaker 2: last weirdest thing that's going to happen. It's going to
[55:50] Speaker 2: get very weird. We're about to see some weird stuff
[55:56] Speaker 2: that's about to come up. And it's going to be
[55:58] Speaker 2: confirmation to a lot of these reptilian people, a lot
[56:01] Speaker 2: of these Anunnaki, you know. It's going to be confirmation. See,
[56:05] Speaker 2: I told you. But it's all inversionism. When you study
[56:09] Speaker 2: the Sabbatean Franks, when you understand how the Kabbalah and
[56:13] Speaker 2: the Klefoth work, They're creating their hell right now here.
[56:18] Speaker 2: And we're repetuating. I don't even know if that's a word,
[56:23] Speaker 2: but we're the ones that's believing in the system so
[56:29] Speaker 2: much that it's becoming a real thing to us. Yeah.
[56:34] Speaker 1: Earlier, you mentioned something about a connection between AI and
[56:39] Speaker 1: these reptilian egregores. Could you talk a little bit more
[56:43] Speaker 1: about what that is?
[56:45] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm just saying that AI, you think about it,
[56:50] Speaker 2: it literally stands for alien invasion. Right. I mean, I'll
[56:59] Speaker 2: just be thinking this stuff. And I said, you know what?
[57:03] Speaker 2: Elon Musk talk a lot about, you know, you got
[57:05] Speaker 2: a flying car coming out and all of that. All
[57:07] Speaker 2: he talks about AI stuff and he's funding it. And
[57:11] Speaker 2: you got these other people like uh what's the guy
[57:14] Speaker 2: having the satanic conferences right.
[57:16] Speaker 1: Now whatever his name is oh peter thiel.
[57:19] Speaker 2: Peter thiel you got him you got the other guy
[57:22] Speaker 2: sam whatever his name is sam altman yeah yeah they're
[57:25] Speaker 2: about to come out with a movie about him oh
[57:27] Speaker 2: really yeah that's coming out interesting his whole life they
[57:31] Speaker 2: say he tried to stop it from coming out but
[57:33] Speaker 2: um you got all of these people like this in
[57:37] Speaker 2: the future they're gonna say what the alien invasions First
[57:45] Speaker 2: of all, all of the nanoparticles in the sky, they
[57:47] Speaker 2: can literally make these small nanoparticles project a screen in
[57:53] Speaker 2: the sky of anything they want us to see. And
[57:56] Speaker 2: they can put a bunch of drones up there too. Whatever.
[58:00] Speaker 2: So they're going to put something in the sky one day,
[58:02] Speaker 2: I believe. And then they're going to say, well, we're
[58:06] Speaker 2: going to need someone to communicate with this thing. So
[58:12] Speaker 2: they're going to elect, it's going to be an elect
[58:15] Speaker 2: group of people, which are going to become, see, the
[58:19] Speaker 2: new Christ of the future, because a Christ is an
[58:23] Speaker 2: unaberated being. You know, throughout mythologies, the Christ always represented
[58:30] Speaker 2: something that went against nature. It always, back in Egypt,
[58:33] Speaker 2: a crocodile was the symbol, the Mezi, which becomes the
[58:37] Speaker 2: word Messiah. A crocodile was If you see a lion,
[58:45] Speaker 2: you may not get eaten. I'm just saying, if you're
[58:49] Speaker 2: out in the wild and there's a lion in front
[58:51] Speaker 2: of you, a lion may not come and kill you.
[58:54] Speaker 2: It may just look at you and walk away. But
[58:56] Speaker 2: if a crocodile sees you out in nature, it's coming
[59:00] Speaker 2: to get you. Another thing, a ram. A ram is
[59:04] Speaker 2: just an aberrated, or a lamb, or a donkey, because
[59:08] Speaker 2: they say Christ rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. You
[59:11] Speaker 2: can't get a donkey to do anything. These are unaberrated creatures.
[59:15] Speaker 2: This is the Christ. They're going to get the Christ
[59:20] Speaker 2: of the future. I'm going to tell you right now,
[59:21] Speaker 2: the Christ of the future is going to be hackers.
[59:24] Speaker 2: It's going to be either hackers or high AI intelligent
[59:28] Speaker 2: nerd guys. And they're going to be a part of
[59:31] Speaker 2: the elect. And they're going to say they're the only
[59:33] Speaker 2: ones that can talk to this AI being. Whatever these
[59:37] Speaker 2: beings are going to be, they're going to create these beings.
[59:40] Speaker 2: It's going to be through AI. And they're going to
[59:43] Speaker 2: run the whole, this AI system that's being developed right
[59:48] Speaker 2: now is going to run the whole world. It's going
[59:50] Speaker 2: to run how you get your money. Because if you
[59:53] Speaker 2: think about it, if AI ran banking systems, It'll be
[59:57] Speaker 2: the same thing of asking, can a cow understand how
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: banking works? No, a cow could never understand that. Well,
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: if you accelerate banking and decision-making and how money moves
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: a million times over, a human can't comprehend that, but
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: AI can. So we will be the new cows of
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: the future in AI technology. whatever they call it, AI
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: banking or economics is going to run everything. So this
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: AI system is going to run everything. And the only
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: people going to be able to talk to it is
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: the elect. And those are going to be like the
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: Moses going up to the mountain. And that is what
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: technically the antichrist is.
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: It seems like the only way for us to navigate
[1:00:52] Speaker 1: the future is to pull out from these systems as
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: much as possible to quit giving our energy to the
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: materialistic matrix system, focus on our own spiritual growth and
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: our families and our loved ones, and not participate with
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: anything anti-human that they're trying to present, or these fear
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: factor events are something that's going to get us reliant
[1:01:21] Speaker 1: more on daddy government and the system, the best way
[1:01:24] Speaker 1: to navigate is to try and pull out from all
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: of it as much as possible.
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: Yeah. Avoid the anti-mimos. Avoid the anti-mimos. Avoid the counterfeit
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: hallucination of reality. Get back to individuality. This whole thing
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: is about what you're doing. What are you doing to
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: understand your spirit and your soul better? What are you
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: doing on the individual level? Because no one Not a
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: family member, not your mom, not your dad, not your
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: guru or whoever you listen to on YouTube is going
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: to get you to that new level. It's only a
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: conversation with you and the self inside of you. You
[1:02:02] Speaker 2: want to say the higher self, the lower self, the
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: middle self, whatever it is, it's a conversation between you
[1:02:07] Speaker 2: and it. So that should be the priority of what
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: we should be focusing on. AI is here. It's another
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: we can do. I'm not even saying AI is bad.
[1:02:20] Speaker 2: You can use AI as a tool. You know, if
[1:02:22] Speaker 2: I don't feel like reading a book, I gotta say AI,
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: something is up in the sentence or something like that.
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: So nothing is neutral, but what they're using it for
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: will destroy us. And we have to understand the destruction
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: is coming because destruction is a necessary portion of the universe.
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: Things have to be destroyed for things to be created.
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: You have to tear a building down to create a
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: new building. So There will be destruction. That's why the accelerationists,
[1:02:51] Speaker 2: they want this thing to speed up. We have to
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: be prepared for the destruction to come and get back
[1:02:57] Speaker 2: to self and get back to spirituality. That's how I
[1:03:00] Speaker 2: see it. Whatever your spirituality is, it doesn't matter. Just
[1:03:04] Speaker 2: get back to self and work on yourself.
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: Right on. Another awesome discussion, man. Before I let you go,
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: remind the audience how they can find all your content.
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: Yes, you guys can come over to YouTube. I will
[1:03:18] Speaker 2: be doing a lecture this week. It's going to be
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: a long lecture, probably four plus hours. Ani Osaru, A-N-I-O-S-A-R-U.
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: And you can come over on Patreon if you like
[1:03:32] Speaker 2: long lecture type content. I give graphics and everything and
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: explain this stuff. Patreon.com slash T H E underscore spiritual
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: shade room. And you guys follow me on Instagram to
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: add the spiritual shade room. Number one, I do post
[1:03:52] Speaker 2: content every other day on mass events, you know, that
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: the public fall for. And I reveal what's actually going on.
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: Always an amazing discussion. We'll be doing this again for sure.
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: And until next time, everyone have an excellent evening. We'll
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: talk again tomorrow.
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: Peace.
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