# FKN Classics Double Feature! Steven Snider - Order of 9 Angles | Brandon Thomas & Dave Zed - 🤯

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 17 Aug 2026, 2 h 09 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
[0:07] Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Stephen Snyder.
[0:09] Speaker 1: He is an author and longtime curator of Devise Up website,
[0:14] Speaker 1: which is dedicated to parapolitics and high weirdness in all
[0:18] Speaker 1: their many forms. With Frank Zero of Zero Night, he
[0:22] Speaker 1: co hosts The Farm, a weekly podcast dedicated to parapolitics
[0:26] Speaker 1: and synchronisticism. Steven, welcome back.
[0:30] Speaker 2: How you doing not too bad?
[0:32] Speaker 1: Sir, It's great to have you back on. It's been
[0:35] Speaker 1: a little while. Today we're going to take an extremely
[0:38] Speaker 1: deep dive into the possible connections between the Annunciation shooter
[0:44] Speaker 1: and an online death cult that may be inducing demonic possession.
[0:50] Speaker 1: The implications are incredible and may even involve very high
[0:55] Speaker 1: level individuals and groups. So much to get to both
[1:00] Speaker 1: before we do. It's been a while. Remind the audience
[1:03] Speaker 1: a little bit about yourself and let them know how
[1:05] Speaker 1: they can find out more about you.
[1:08] Speaker 3: Well. I am the longtime curator of the Vised blog,
[1:13] Speaker 3: which I don't really do much with anymore, but you
[1:16] Speaker 3: can still find wealth of material, probably several books worth there.
[1:20] Speaker 3: I'm also the host of The Farm podcast, which typically
[1:24] Speaker 3: has a new episode out every Monday and is available
[1:29] Speaker 3: on all the major platforms, Apple, Spotify, and so forth. Also,
[1:32] Speaker 3: I do the farm Patreon with the additional episodes State
[1:36] Speaker 3: of the Union addresses that recount a lot of current
[1:39] Speaker 3: events and so forth. And I'm also the author of
[1:43] Speaker 3: multiple books. The most recent one was Weird Tales, which
[1:48] Speaker 3: dealt with a lot of recent events that have unfolded
[1:52] Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, starting with the Zizion the whole
[1:55] Speaker 3: affair around that, and also a lot of the geop
[2:00] Speaker 3: political implications of the kind of current shake up that's
[2:04] Speaker 3: ongoing amongst the ruling elites, which seems to have worked
[2:09] Speaker 3: its way out. I suppose you basically now have Peter
[2:13] Speaker 3: TiO and a lot of these other people from the
[2:14] Speaker 3: PayPal mafia on the driver's seats. But that is I suppose,
[2:20] Speaker 3: only tangently related to the whole thing with the school shooters,
[2:25] Speaker 3: though maybe not quite as separate as it we would
[2:28] Speaker 3: initially seem so. The most recent event we had was
[2:33] Speaker 3: the Annunciation Catholic Church shooting, which happened on August twenty seventh,
[2:37] Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. And one of the interesting things about
[2:42] Speaker 3: this is that it happened near Minneapolis, Minnesota. I believe
[2:46] Speaker 3: the specific area was Winden, if I recall correctly. But
[2:51] Speaker 3: for those of you listening to this, you probably still
[2:53] Speaker 3: recall this because it's relatively fresh in everybody's mind. But
[2:56] Speaker 3: you had had the state represents native that was assassinated
[3:02] Speaker 3: in Minneapolis in June fourteenth, twenty twenty five, Melissa Horkman,
[3:06] Speaker 3: who was also killed along with her husband at their
[3:09] Speaker 3: home at the time, and then earlier in the day
[3:12] Speaker 3: there had been an attempted assassination of State Senator John
[3:15] Speaker 3: Hoffman as well, along with his wife, and in both
[3:20] Speaker 3: cases the shooter was Vance Bolter, who left a very interesting,
[3:27] Speaker 3: let's just say, orgy of evidence following the shootings. Specifically,
[3:32] Speaker 3: I'm thinking of the No Kings flyers that were left
[3:36] Speaker 3: in his car. Of course, this was sort of unfolding
[3:39] Speaker 3: at the time, and you had the No King's protest
[3:42] Speaker 3: breaking out, you had the one in Utah over the
[3:45] Speaker 3: same weekend that had a shooting, a current one of
[3:48] Speaker 3: the rallies in Salt Lake City, so there were a
[3:51] Speaker 3: lot of interesting developments unfolding during that whole time frame.
[3:56] Speaker 3: So Bolter was trying to make it seem like he
[4:00] Speaker 3: was affiliated with No Kings and with some kind of
[4:03] Speaker 3: radical leftist even though he had only really targeted Democrats,
[4:07] Speaker 3: and the only evidence for this, I believe was a
[4:11] Speaker 3: bipartisan commission the Tim Waltz, the governor, had appointed him
[4:15] Speaker 3: to several years ago. There's no doubt though, that Bolter
[4:20] Speaker 3: was involved with a very militant Christian network centered around dominionism. Specifically,
[4:27] Speaker 3: he had ties to the Kansas City Prophets and the
[4:31] Speaker 3: New Apostolic Reformation movement. Bizarrely, one of his mentors, I believe,
[4:37] Speaker 3: the person he had credited with his conversion, had murdered
[4:41] Speaker 3: in South Africa back in the nineteen or excuse me,
[4:43] Speaker 3: Zimbabwe back in the late nineteen eighties. So there were
[4:48] Speaker 3: just a lot of very strange things about Bolter. So
[4:56] Speaker 3: that shooting occurred on June fourteen, so about two or
[5:01] Speaker 3: so months. A little over two months later, you have
[5:03] Speaker 3: the whole incident at the Catholic Church with Robin Westman.
[5:09] Speaker 3: There were approximately one hundred and sixteen rounds fired. My
[5:15] Speaker 3: understanding is like what happened is the there was a
[5:19] Speaker 3: school wide mass that had been called at about eight
[5:22] Speaker 3: point fifteen. Robin Westman had barricaded the exits to the
[5:27] Speaker 3: church building, and at about eight thirty she had opened
[5:32] Speaker 3: fired at the students in there. About twenty were wounded,
[5:36] Speaker 3: with two being killed. They were eight and ten years old.
[5:40] Speaker 3: I believe I've mentioned it, but there were roughly one
[5:42] Speaker 3: hundred and sixteen rounds fired. I believe one of the
[5:45] Speaker 3: guns had jammed on Westman, who had ultimately committed suicide
[5:50] Speaker 3: after the initial volley of bullets. I believe the shooting
[5:55] Speaker 3: lasted approximately about two minutes. One thing I will point
[6:01] Speaker 3: out about this, not to diminish the tragedy, but Westman
[6:09] Speaker 3: seems to have been an awful shot one hundred and
[6:13] Speaker 3: sixteen rounds at targets and a confined space like that
[6:17] Speaker 3: and only killing two. Again, I mean, I'm thankful that
[6:20] Speaker 3: she only killed two. Don't misunderstand me, But let's just
[6:26] Speaker 3: say like somebody who had been through special operations training
[6:30] Speaker 3: or had been trained by an actual operator would probably
[6:34] Speaker 3: kill a lot more people in a confined space like
[6:37] Speaker 3: that with one hundred and sixteen rounds fired. So there
[6:41] Speaker 3: was at least that that. Westman seems to have not
[6:44] Speaker 3: been an especially good shot. So there's already been a
[6:51] Speaker 3: tremendous amount of speculation about Westman, their motives for all
[6:57] Speaker 3: of this, you've seen the whole sort of gauntlet being
[7:01] Speaker 3: rolled out there. Of course, predictively, you've seen a lot
[7:05] Speaker 3: of people try to talk about psychotropic drugs, and of
[7:09] Speaker 3: amusingly enough, apparently Robert Kennedy Junior has vowed to open
[7:14] Speaker 3: an investigation into that probably should indicate how serious one
[7:19] Speaker 3: of this was. Westman apparently had gone through a breakup
[7:24] Speaker 3: shortly before the shooting, was living at some sort of
[7:28] Speaker 3: unspecified person's house. But again, I mean, you know how
[7:33] Speaker 3: much romantic things would have involved with this as debatable?
[7:36] Speaker 3: The New York Post proposed somehow Westman working in a
[7:41] Speaker 3: pot shop up to two weeks before the shooting was
[7:43] Speaker 3: a factor. I couldn't actually bring my working what did
[7:47] Speaker 3: you say that article? But I'm I'll just throw it out.
[7:51] Speaker 4: She wasn't working in.
[7:52] Speaker 3: The New York Post proposed that Westman work shop okay, okay,
[7:57] Speaker 3: pot shop, cannabis shop, headshop up to two weeks before
[8:01] Speaker 3: the shooting was a factor. Like I said, I couldn't
[8:03] Speaker 3: bring myself to read that one. So yeah, but it's
[8:07] Speaker 3: been proposed, like thanks, so the big one that's getting
[8:11] Speaker 3: a lot of the sound bites right now was Westman
[8:15] Speaker 3: being transgender. Apparently Westman had changed their name around twenty nineteen,
[8:20] Speaker 3: if I remember correctly, But as recently as I had
[8:24] Speaker 3: looked this up, and it was a few days ago,
[8:26] Speaker 3: I didn't get a chance to check this before we
[8:29] Speaker 3: started recording. But most recently when I looked at this,
[8:33] Speaker 3: Westman had not started to medically transition yet, so there
[8:40] Speaker 3: seems to be some question about that, and I could
[8:42] Speaker 3: be mistaken. Maybe she did. I just at the time though,
[8:46] Speaker 3: when I was doing research on this, there was a
[8:49] Speaker 3: question of whether or not they had actually begun the
[8:52] Speaker 3: process of physically transitioning or not. For me, what was
[8:58] Speaker 3: really intriguing about it were some of the allegations that
[9:04] Speaker 3: possession had been involved in the shooting, and of course,
[9:09] Speaker 3: I mean there was sort of the low hanging fruits
[9:13] Speaker 3: around this. Westman had decided to shoot up a Catholic
[9:17] Speaker 3: school with school children in it, And there was also
[9:22] Speaker 3: the bizarre drawing that Westman had done of herself, essentially
[9:27] Speaker 3: depicting herself staring in a mirror with a rifle slung
[9:30] Speaker 3: over her shoulder and this sort of demonic figure staring
[9:35] Speaker 3: back at her, which was really quite peculiar. But just
[9:40] Speaker 3: looking beyond that, if you go, for instance, and look
[9:45] Speaker 3: at the video that she had posted on YouTube, I
[9:48] Speaker 3: believe it was the evening before the shooting was to occur,
[9:53] Speaker 3: but it was really quite disturbing on so many levels.
[9:58] Speaker 3: But they're definitely least seems to be just something very
[10:03] Speaker 3: very off about the person, the way that they're talking
[10:06] Speaker 3: about everything in this video, and it sort of reminds me, honestly,
[10:12] Speaker 3: in conversations that I've had with mentally ill people in DC,
[10:18] Speaker 3: for instance, who I honestly had to wonder in those
[10:22] Speaker 3: cases if they were maybe there was a little something
[10:24] Speaker 3: up with them as well. But the point being this,
[10:27] Speaker 3: the whole behavior and thinking about Westman is just very
[10:30] Speaker 3: very peculiar, and the video is just extremely unsettling on
[10:35] Speaker 3: so many levels.
[10:37] Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the other things that
[10:40] Speaker 1: were brought up in conspiratorial circles, like the dad being
[10:46] Speaker 1: involved with the CIA.
[10:48] Speaker 3: I mean, I know he went to Wisconsin University of
[10:51] Speaker 3: Wisconsin Madison, which does have a lot of very strange
[10:56] Speaker 3: connections to it, But beyond that, I wasn't really seeing
[11:01] Speaker 3: like anything. Again, I haven't looked at that for a
[11:04] Speaker 3: couple of days, but I can't recall anything that had
[11:07] Speaker 3: directly jumped out to me that he would have been
[11:10] Speaker 3: involved specifically in the CIA. I feel like, I mean,
[11:14] Speaker 3: when stuff like this happens, you know, people are so
[11:17] Speaker 3: obsessed with like trying to draw some sort of like
[11:20] Speaker 3: direct links to like an intelligent service, and I just
[11:23] Speaker 3: I feel like people aren't really getting that, like it's
[11:26] Speaker 3: you know, it's moved beyond that. I mean the days
[11:29] Speaker 3: of like the sort of classic laudio set up where
[11:32] Speaker 3: you had like case officers and operators that were managing
[11:37] Speaker 3: assets in the field and you know, I mean mk
[11:40] Speaker 3: ultra art show of type techniques that were done to
[11:43] Speaker 3: them to maybe make them a little bit more vigorous
[11:47] Speaker 3: in pursuing their ends. I mean, you know, it's not
[11:49] Speaker 3: to say that this kind of stuff doesn't happen now,
[11:52] Speaker 3: but with the way that technology has advanced, I mean,
[11:56] Speaker 3: the intelligence services really really do not need to directly
[12:02] Speaker 3: try to manage these people the way that they did
[12:05] Speaker 3: years ago. And I mean, for me looking into this,
[12:09] Speaker 3: that was what I really gravitated towards specifically was the
[12:13] Speaker 3: cult that Westman seems to have become involved with online,
[12:19] Speaker 3: in which I mean, a lot of people don't seem
[12:21] Speaker 3: to have really talked a lot about but that is
[12:26] Speaker 3: the I guess, for lack for lack of a better term,
[12:30] Speaker 3: it's referred to as Saints' culture. Again, that's not my phrase,
[12:35] Speaker 3: this is what some academics have come up with. So
[12:38] Speaker 3: like roughly speaking, it kind of started to develop around
[12:42] Speaker 3: twenty fifteen after Dylan Roof's shooting spree, and it was
[12:46] Speaker 3: really pushed by an online group that was known as
[12:50] Speaker 3: the Bull Patrol and they were so named because of
[12:53] Speaker 3: Roofe's distinct bull cut haircut, and it led to just
[12:58] Speaker 3: an absolute revere rents for him to the point that
[13:04] Speaker 3: he was essentially turned into a saint. So you had
[13:09] Speaker 3: first a podcast that was started called The Bowl Podcast
[13:12] Speaker 3: by an individual and using the pseudonym Vic Mackie, which
[13:16] Speaker 3: was the Oh gosh, that was the name of the
[13:17] Speaker 3: cop and the Shield if I remember correctly, the corrupt one.
[13:21] Speaker 3: He was later outed in twenty twenty, but I can't
[13:24] Speaker 3: remember the guy's name now off the top of my head.
[13:26] Speaker 3: But anyway, under the pseudonym Vic Mackie, this podcast started
[13:30] Speaker 3: going dedicated to a lot of the reference around Dylan
[13:34] Speaker 3: rufe It spread to a lot of discord and telegram
[13:39] Speaker 3: groups and so forth, and gradually you started seeing more
[13:44] Speaker 3: people that were brought into the Pantheon of Saints. I
[13:50] Speaker 3: think one of the first ones was Robert Bauer's after Roof,
[13:54] Speaker 3: that is to say, who allegedly killed eleven people inside
[13:57] Speaker 3: the Tree of Life Synagogue and Pittsburgh. I think this
[14:00] Speaker 3: would have been twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen. But the
[14:03] Speaker 3: thing about this that was interesting is that Mackie claimed
[14:07] Speaker 3: that Bowers had followed him on GAB and that the
[14:10] Speaker 3: two had interacted in direct messages and so forth. Though
[14:14] Speaker 3: I want to emphasize I don't know that it has
[14:16] Speaker 3: ever been confirmed, but nonetheless he did claim that he
[14:20] Speaker 3: had had contacts with Bowers before the shooting. So Bowers
[14:24] Speaker 3: goes into the pantheon, and you've got some more people
[14:27] Speaker 3: that are brought into it. One of them is Britain Toront,
[14:30] Speaker 3: the christ Church, New Zealand shooter who killed fifty one
[14:33] Speaker 3: people to mosque in March twenty nineteen. And again, if
[14:37] Speaker 3: you watch Westman's videos, there are a ton of references
[14:41] Speaker 3: to Toront, and you see the number fifty one written
[14:44] Speaker 3: on several of his weapons. And so forth. So he
[14:47] Speaker 3: was definitely a fan of what he did at christ Church.
[14:52] Speaker 3: So after that, the Buld Patrol added John Ernest, who
[14:55] Speaker 3: killed one person at a synagogue in San Diego County
[14:58] Speaker 3: October twenty nineteen. And then there was Patrick Crusius, I believe,
[15:04] Speaker 3: who killed twenty two people inside an olpasso in walmart
[15:07] Speaker 3: in February twenty twenty. So it's interesting that you've got
[15:13] Speaker 3: a lot of these spree killers at this point in time.
[15:16] Speaker 3: These were mostly affiliated with rather openly far right causes.
[15:22] Speaker 3: In a lot of cases, such as the christ Church shooter,
[15:24] Speaker 3: they're trying to kill Muslims and so forth. But one
[15:28] Speaker 3: thing that I do find interesting about a lot of
[15:31] Speaker 3: the deaths that are linked to the Saint's culture is
[15:34] Speaker 3: that they do occur in a lot of places of worship.
[15:39] Speaker 3: You've obviously had with the Annunciation shooting a Catholic church.
[15:42] Speaker 3: I just talked about the christ Church one, which was
[15:44] Speaker 3: at a mosque. There have been several synagogues that have
[15:47] Speaker 3: been tarked as well. In the case of what was
[15:50] Speaker 3: his name, Wave Michael Page, the Wisconsin shooter, oh I
[15:54] Speaker 3: think it was twenty twelve, he actually shot up a
[15:57] Speaker 3: seakh Temple in Wisconsin, so he was also put in
[16:00] Speaker 3: the pantheon. But it's very interesting that so many of
[16:05] Speaker 3: these shootings did occur in places of worship, and that
[16:09] Speaker 3: a lot of cases they did target children as well.
[16:13] Speaker 3: So this is another reason why I think the Bull
[16:16] Speaker 3: Patrol and the whole Saints culture was a very strong
[16:20] Speaker 3: influence on Westman. And I'll get to some more concrete
[16:22] Speaker 3: links here in a second. But after Mackie was outed
[16:28] Speaker 3: around twenty twenty, the Bulk Patrol started kind of going
[16:31] Speaker 3: into decline, but the Saints culture had really started to
[16:35] Speaker 3: proliferate on a lot of telegram channels, and specifically they
[16:40] Speaker 3: were the ones that were part of the so called
[16:42] Speaker 3: Terragram collective, and that's a group of content creators dedicated
[16:47] Speaker 3: to perpetuating accelerationist violence. This was managed through a combination
[16:53] Speaker 3: of images and manuals, which the Saints culture was a
[16:56] Speaker 3: crucial component of in terms of making people idolized as
[17:00] Speaker 3: a lot of these murderers and so forth. So a
[17:03] Speaker 3: lot of these killer Saints, I mean basically they're set
[17:05] Speaker 3: up as like role models to be worshiped and emulated
[17:08] Speaker 3: by the people that were a part of these circles,
[17:12] Speaker 3: and each individual triggered by the saints had the possibility
[17:15] Speaker 3: of achieving sainthood fromselves following the killing. So it's kind
[17:19] Speaker 3: of curious how they did that in the sense that
[17:21] Speaker 3: it almost becomes a sort of self replicating of death cult,
[17:26] Speaker 3: if you will. So it's really starting to take off
[17:30] Speaker 3: around this time. And some more background on Terragram Again,
[17:34] Speaker 3: this is a network that's also had links to groups
[17:40] Speaker 3: like the Seven sixty four, to the Order of Nine
[17:42] Speaker 3: Angles and so forth, So there's a lot of very
[17:46] Speaker 3: militant accelerationists that are tied up with the whole Tragram MILU.
[17:52] Speaker 3: So anyway, also on teogram, like the whole criteria for
[17:55] Speaker 3: a saint started to expand and eventually, by I believe
[17:59] Speaker 3: we're in the into twenty twenty, they had a list
[18:01] Speaker 3: of approximately fifty of these saints. So you've got some
[18:05] Speaker 3: predictable people that were brought into Andrew Bravic, for instance,
[18:09] Speaker 3: was brought into the list along with unibomber Ted Gazinsky,
[18:14] Speaker 3: cult leader, Jim Jones, Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVay, Martin
[18:18] Speaker 3: Luther King assassin James are Ray, sovereign citizen Teris Gordon
[18:22] Speaker 3: call Fred W. Cohen was on it. Who's an interesting one.
[18:25] Speaker 3: He was the Valentine Day shooter that had been linked
[18:29] Speaker 3: to the son of Sam Coult. Braveck, of course, was
[18:33] Speaker 3: plastered all over some of Westman's weapons. Big influence clearly
[18:38] Speaker 3: was also a shout out to Ted Kay on one
[18:41] Speaker 3: of the weapons as well, the ambiguous Ted Gazinsky that
[18:46] Speaker 3: everybody absolutely loves in these groups. So the whole concept
[18:51] Speaker 3: of the sainthood really started to crystallize the following year
[18:54] Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, and that was also, I believe,
[18:58] Speaker 3: when there was a whole Telligrint Helgram channel, there was
[19:01] Speaker 3: launch dedicated to them. And one of the strangest things
[19:06] Speaker 3: that came out of this with these so called Saints cards,
[19:10] Speaker 3: which were almost like these digital baseball cards that were
[19:13] Speaker 3: being spread around and you don't I'm just going to
[19:18] Speaker 3: quote here from an article of the lineage of violence,
[19:21] Speaker 3: Saints Culture, and militant accelerationism by Jonathan Lewis, Joshua Molly,
[19:24] Speaker 3: and Grandma Macklin, because the whole thing with these Saints
[19:27] Speaker 3: cards is just really bizarre, and I thought they did
[19:30] Speaker 3: a great way of encompassing it. So it goes quote.
[19:34] Speaker 3: These channels published monthly calendars celebrating the dates of bar
[19:38] Speaker 3: right attacks and marked other milestones, including the arrests, deaths,
[19:42] Speaker 3: and even birthdays of perpetrators. Propagandas also produced backsheet graphics
[19:47] Speaker 3: that broke down the details of each attack and easily
[19:51] Speaker 3: readable paragraphs alongside the death toll and the number of wounded,
[19:55] Speaker 3: attack method and status of each killer, alongside a montage
[19:58] Speaker 3: of their photos, pictures of their weapons and crime scenes.
[20:02] Speaker 3: The graphics, which resemble collectible trading cards they just said,
[20:06] Speaker 3: are known as Saints cards. The highly networked nature of
[20:09] Speaker 3: the telegram facility Saints commemoration across telegram as. Saint cards
[20:13] Speaker 3: are forwarded throughout the network when the anniversary of attacks.
[20:17] Speaker 3: Each card includes a reading section that directs users to manifestos,
[20:22] Speaker 3: articles or documentaries so followers can educate themselves about each
[20:26] Speaker 3: attacker and their crimes. The reappearance of links to additional
[20:30] Speaker 3: crime scene photos or websites like murder Pedia highlights how
[20:34] Speaker 3: telegram graphs and macabre fascination with violence and death too
[20:38] Speaker 3: broadcasting a ruling curriculum. The calendar style promotion of Saints
[20:43] Speaker 3: further ritualizes the glorification, which aims to inspire further attacks
[20:47] Speaker 3: with a steady stream of examples of saints with high
[20:50] Speaker 3: scores to be beaten. In addition, some means of channels
[20:54] Speaker 3: have encouraged members to celebrate the anniversary of attacks by editing, sharing,
[21:00] Speaker 3: visual propagandic gloring fight in the attacks, illustrating interaction between
[21:03] Speaker 3: important dates and the preparatory media culture of telegram, as
[21:08] Speaker 3: highlighted by Winkler et cetera all in the databased analysis
[21:12] Speaker 3: of extremist groups for genets, Symbolically significant dates can strengthen
[21:15] Speaker 3: the collective identity of groups and provide important cues for
[21:18] Speaker 3: audience members to reinforce poliefs and model their behaviors on
[21:22] Speaker 3: the saints counter marks date. It's important for telegram identity
[21:25] Speaker 3: formation inspires continued content creation and promotion of future violence.
[21:31] Speaker 3: So you basically have this whole pantheon developed. You've got
[21:34] Speaker 3: like these glorified baseball cards celebrating the Catholic Saints. They've
[21:41] Speaker 3: real I don't know, that would be something really interesting
[21:47] Speaker 3: to look into. There were some other indications, but yes,
[21:51] Speaker 3: it would be really really interesting to know if he
[21:54] Speaker 3: had any of these Saints cards.
[21:56] Speaker 1: But he was involved with the online groups.
[22:03] Speaker 3: Well, on one of his rifles he had bullpilled written
[22:07] Speaker 3: on it. I've got the screencap for that, So I
[22:11] Speaker 3: don't know what else he would necessarily be referring to
[22:13] Speaker 3: when he's got the names of all of the other
[22:15] Speaker 3: Saints right spread across his weapons. I mean, that's like
[22:19] Speaker 3: kind of the thing about this is I mean it's
[22:22] Speaker 3: almost like he's ritualizing his weapons with like siduals and
[22:26] Speaker 3: ruins or something like that, like the Norse would have
[22:29] Speaker 3: put on their swords or something for these attacks. And
[22:32] Speaker 3: it's all with these Saints' names. That is so crazy. So,
[22:37] Speaker 3: I mean, this is really some serious stuff that's been
[22:40] Speaker 3: put up. So all right, So the first killer who
[22:46] Speaker 3: was actually directly linked to Saints culture that we know
[22:49] Speaker 3: for sure was Jaya Krayzek I believe, who was a
[22:54] Speaker 3: Slovakian extreme ritist so in twenty twenty two killed two
[22:58] Speaker 3: people and injured a third one outside of gbtwo LGBTQ
[23:02] Speaker 3: plus bar and Bratsflafia I believe. In October twelfth, twenty
[23:07] Speaker 3: twenty two, Crichech actually directly thank a Terogram channel and
[23:12] Speaker 3: kind for it and hailed the Saints and so forth. Finally,
[23:16] Speaker 3: you had in twenty twenty four Turkey's teenager Artic Kay,
[23:19] Speaker 3: who also stabbed five people and live streamed it on
[23:22] Speaker 3: Terogram and also was hoping to be brought into the Saints,
[23:26] Speaker 3: but they denied him because he wasn't white. However, there
[23:31] Speaker 3: was an expansion of further expansion of Saints culture, and
[23:36] Speaker 3: that happened when it started to integrate with the true
[23:39] Speaker 3: crime community, which I find to be fascinating. If you've
[23:43] Speaker 3: ever seen that old show from the nineties millennium, it
[23:47] Speaker 3: deals a lot with actually demonic possession. There's like this
[23:50] Speaker 3: one scene where a group of demons are sitting around
[23:53] Speaker 3: having coffee and they're like discussing the different ways that
[23:56] Speaker 3: people can like damn themselves, and one person brings up
[23:59] Speaker 3: true crime. Y' all kind of like laugh knowingly at that.
[24:02] Speaker 3: So yeah, true crime. That's a lot of interesting stuff
[24:06] Speaker 3: comes out of that. So you already had like a
[24:10] Speaker 3: lot of this veneration in true crime especially I mean
[24:14] Speaker 3: for a lot of like the school shooters and so forth.
[24:17] Speaker 3: But one Saints coach for God and this you started
[24:21] Speaker 3: having an end up lands that John Holmes, the James Holmes,
[24:24] Speaker 3: the Columbine shooters, Charles Whipman and Robert Kremo the Third
[24:29] Speaker 3: were all sort of brought into the pantheon, and cream
[24:33] Speaker 3: O definitely would have had a big influence on Westman.
[24:36] Speaker 3: And I say that because of the heavy use of
[24:39] Speaker 3: the Cross of Endlessness that Westman had on her weapons.
[24:44] Speaker 3: The Cross of Endlessness is actually a relatively new symbol,
[24:49] Speaker 3: but it was appropriated by Cremo when he made just
[24:52] Speaker 3: this bizarre video flashing the Cross of Endlessness before the
[24:59] Speaker 3: shooting spree he personally engaged in. So it seems like
[25:03] Speaker 3: because of crem O, the Cross of Endlessness I mean,
[25:06] Speaker 3: has almost become a sort of charged siedual if you will,
[25:10] Speaker 3: within these circles. So again, it's really really interesting that
[25:14] Speaker 3: Westman had all of this stuff scrawled over his weapons.
[25:20] Speaker 3: Another thing too, sort of like returning to that strange
[25:23] Speaker 3: picture that he had drawn of herself staring at the
[25:29] Speaker 3: mirror with the demon staring back at her. See. I
[25:33] Speaker 3: mean that obviously kind of brings to mind scrying initially,
[25:36] Speaker 3: but it actually made me think somewhat of the process
[25:41] Speaker 3: of reality shifting, which really became popular among a lot
[25:44] Speaker 3: of zoomers, especially during the lockdowns. And so forth, and
[25:48] Speaker 3: Westman would have definitely been in the same age frame
[25:52] Speaker 3: for that, but within like reality shifting, they had this
[25:56] Speaker 3: whole thing called like the mirror method, which became a
[25:59] Speaker 3: popular technique for shifting reality. So you basically stand in
[26:04] Speaker 3: the dark room with a mirror and some other light
[26:06] Speaker 3: source between you. Normally it would be like a candle
[26:08] Speaker 3: or something, stare at the mirror and image it, you know,
[26:11] Speaker 3: and imagine yourself in another reality, and essentially would keep
[26:14] Speaker 3: staring until hallucinations start to reflect back. It's kind of
[26:18] Speaker 3: like an induced form of hypnosis, if you will. So
[26:23] Speaker 3: this is kind of like what makes me wonder with
[26:25] Speaker 3: like Westman. I mean, he's in this situation where he's
[26:28] Speaker 3: being told to closely identify with all of these saints
[26:31] Speaker 3: and so forth. Does she eventually, uh try to essentially
[26:38] Speaker 3: open herself up to possession from that would be I
[26:43] Speaker 3: think one way you could potentially infer the drawings of
[26:47] Speaker 3: the mirror and perhaps what actually stared back at her
[26:50] Speaker 3: if she did attempt something like this.
[26:51] Speaker 2: That's so interesting.
[26:53] Speaker 1: I had a guest recently that's been looking into the
[26:57] Speaker 1: possibility of an epidemic of younger people that are involved
[27:03] Speaker 1: with black magic are some sort of occult rituals because
[27:09] Speaker 1: of groups that they're involved with online and things that
[27:14] Speaker 1: they've seen online which seems to be related to this.
[27:19] Speaker 3: Well, I don't, I mean, it's not specifically black magic,
[27:23] Speaker 3: I would say. I mean, rather, what happens with a
[27:25] Speaker 3: lot of these like kind of subcultures, like reality shifting
[27:28] Speaker 3: and stuff is it's like they're introduced to a lot
[27:33] Speaker 3: of these techniques that are rooted in magic, but it's
[27:37] Speaker 3: not like understood as such, And a lot of times
[27:41] Speaker 3: I mean that even try to like frame some of
[27:43] Speaker 3: this stuff around, like psychological terminology and things like that,
[27:49] Speaker 3: but it kind of goes back. Now a lot of
[27:52] Speaker 3: these techniques have been masked and so forth. So like
[27:57] Speaker 3: the basic process of how Renaissance magicians would have understood
[28:04] Speaker 3: possession would be very similar to how we would think
[28:10] Speaker 3: of memes, essentially manifesting, if you will. So, Giordano Bruno
[28:16] Speaker 3: had advocated that you use the whole process of fantasy,
[28:20] Speaker 3: which would be spelled pha n tasy. So in order
[28:26] Speaker 3: to do this, for the magician to take a hold
[28:28] Speaker 3: of the audience, first you need the actual audience to
[28:31] Speaker 3: be true believers. That's an important thing. Belief is crucial
[28:35] Speaker 3: to the whole process. The magician and his audience need
[28:38] Speaker 3: to have some inclination to believe what the magician is doing.
[28:41] Speaker 3: So next the magician would craft fantasy or a phantasm
[28:45] Speaker 3: excuse me, which would be an image which would then
[28:48] Speaker 3: enter into the target's fantasesia, which would be the imagination. Okay, again,
[28:55] Speaker 3: this is essentially the same way that like a meme
[28:57] Speaker 3: would work when you get it into somebody's imagination i
[29:00] Speaker 3: bypassing their conscious mind and into their subconscious and there
[29:04] Speaker 3: it passes into a full blown fantasy within their psyche.
[29:09] Speaker 3: And this is what Bruno dubbed to be the chain
[29:13] Speaker 3: of chains. You get the right image in there that
[29:16] Speaker 3: triggers the right associations in somebody's mind and can have
[29:19] Speaker 3: profound effects to them. So over the years, this sort
[29:24] Speaker 3: of process was tied in with the whole art of
[29:26] Speaker 3: theorgy and so forth, which has to do with the
[29:30] Speaker 3: notion of drawing down or as sending your consciousness to
[29:33] Speaker 3: the heavenly spheres, or drawing down a planetary consciousness, gods,
[29:39] Speaker 3: things like that, into either yourself or possession or objects.
[29:43] Speaker 3: I mean, you kind of have the whole notion of
[29:45] Speaker 3: like it talking statues in Egypt, for instance, that would
[29:47] Speaker 3: be sort of a branch of theurgy. But essentially it
[29:50] Speaker 3: was sort of combined with Bruno's notion of like images.
[29:53] Speaker 3: You got that from the art of memory, and then
[29:56] Speaker 3: he combined it with concepts of theorgy, and it read
[29:58] Speaker 3: to this notion that certain images, signals, symbols, things like
[30:03] Speaker 3: that could essentially trigger a kind of collective unconscious and
[30:08] Speaker 3: the person who was viewing them like something other can
[30:11] Speaker 3: enter into their imagination and take hold, if you will.
[30:15] Speaker 3: So these techniques eventually spread to the arts. Started with symbolism.
[30:24] Speaker 3: The original symbolist movement that grew up in France in
[30:28] Speaker 3: the late nineteenth century pretty much came entirely out of
[30:32] Speaker 3: the Russia Crucian circles. There the capitalistic order of the
[30:35] Speaker 3: Rose Cross. The big guy behind that body was Josephine Paladdin.
[30:42] Speaker 3: Paladin had a real specific purpose as far as art went.
[30:48] Speaker 3: He wanted to destroy realism and art, so he started
[30:52] Speaker 3: promoting a lot of these avant garde movements like the symbolists,
[30:56] Speaker 3: and the whole purpose was essentially to create a sort
[30:58] Speaker 3: of art that would arrest somebody subconscious. Largely bypassing their
[31:02] Speaker 3: conscious mind and influenced them in that fashion. And symbolism
[31:08] Speaker 3: was basically the basis for surrealism, for dataism, for a
[31:11] Speaker 3: lot of the big avant garde movements that grew up
[31:14] Speaker 3: in the early twentieth century, and the symbolists and the
[31:19] Speaker 3: surrealists developed a lot of really elaborate techniques for manipulating audiences.
[31:27] Speaker 3: And it wasn't just applied to painting and things like that.
[31:29] Speaker 3: They started to apply a lot of this stuff to lays,
[31:33] Speaker 3: to a lot of things like that. And they also
[31:37] Speaker 3: sort of hit on like an early concept of memes,
[31:39] Speaker 3: so they really understood the you know, the importance of repetition,
[31:43] Speaker 3: how you could make words almost incantational through that process,
[31:47] Speaker 3: the use of certain colors to trigger associations, sounds, things
[31:53] Speaker 3: like that. So all of this stuff became codified as
[31:57] Speaker 3: sort of artistic techniques by the surrealists, and eventually a
[32:02] Speaker 3: lot of the great directors, for instance, adopted them. And
[32:07] Speaker 3: if you're really doubting, like what I'm saying that these
[32:10] Speaker 3: techniques could really ravage somebody's you know, subconscious, you need
[32:16] Speaker 3: to look no further than the whole cult that has
[32:19] Speaker 3: grown up around Stanley Kubrick to see just how effective
[32:23] Speaker 3: these techniques are. Stanley Kubrick was the greatest director in
[32:30] Speaker 3: the history of cinema as far as feature length films
[32:33] Speaker 3: is concerned. He was a complete master of the medium,
[32:37] Speaker 3: and that is because he understood all of these techniques implicitly.
[32:42] Speaker 3: A lot of the stuff in kubric movies that should
[32:47] Speaker 3: theoretically make them unwatchable was taken directly from symbolists and
[32:54] Speaker 3: surrealist techniques. So one of the things I would point
[32:57] Speaker 3: to would be the atrocious characters in Cubert's movies. There's
[33:01] Speaker 3: no attempt at realism for the characters in his films.
[33:06] Speaker 3: They're marionettes, their caricatures, and that was completely a technique
[33:10] Speaker 3: of the simplests. The characters aren't supposed to be fully realized.
[33:14] Speaker 3: There's supposed to be something that the audience can project
[33:17] Speaker 3: their own concerns onto. The deliberate pacing of Hubert's movies,
[33:22] Speaker 3: that's something else that was taking symbolism. It's done to
[33:26] Speaker 3: break the audience's conception of time as the film is unfolding. Also,
[33:32] Speaker 3: just the repeated or the use of repetition that Cubrit
[33:35] Speaker 3: was so fond of. I mean you can really see
[33:36] Speaker 3: that heavily used in like Eyes Wide Shut. For example,
[33:40] Speaker 3: Tom Cruise just constantly repeats lines that somebody else had
[33:45] Speaker 3: just said to him throughout all of this. You know,
[33:48] Speaker 3: all these techniques individually aren't like a big deal, but
[33:51] Speaker 3: when you combined all of them together, it really really
[33:55] Speaker 3: warps somebody's perceptions when they're watching a Cubert film in
[33:59] Speaker 3: terms of the time that's going on, different associations that
[34:03] Speaker 3: can come all come out of watching one. And I
[34:06] Speaker 3: mean when he's really at his best with like the Shining,
[34:09] Speaker 3: I mean, you can just see this, you know. The
[34:12] Speaker 3: Shining is almost like a reflective surface. You can see
[34:16] Speaker 3: almost anything your subconscious brings into that film reflected back
[34:21] Speaker 3: to you. I mean, one time, like I went in
[34:23] Speaker 3: watching it thinking that it was like a metaphor for
[34:25] Speaker 3: the murder of Frank Lloyd Writ's mistress Italiesen in nineteen fourteen,
[34:29] Speaker 3: and sure enough I was seeing constant allusions to this
[34:33] Speaker 3: every scene in The Shining. But you can do the
[34:35] Speaker 3: same thing for the genocide of Indigenous people, for child abuse,
[34:40] Speaker 3: for hubric bounding the Space Program. I mean, you can
[34:42] Speaker 3: pretty much apply almost any interpretation.
[34:45] Speaker 1: A couple of my Buddy's just made a movie. It's
[34:47] Speaker 1: about it being about MK ultra.
[34:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's it can
[34:54] Speaker 3: be basically about anything. I mean, some of his movies
[34:57] Speaker 3: were more specific. But that's where I think The Shining
[34:59] Speaker 3: is such an amazing piece of art in and of
[35:01] Speaker 3: itself because it has this uncanny ability of reflecting the
[35:06] Speaker 3: viewer subconscious back to them. So Hubert could basically build
[35:11] Speaker 3: a cult using these techniques, and probably not even intentionally
[35:16] Speaker 3: as far as and again, I mean, if you don't
[35:18] Speaker 3: think that this is a cult, just look at the
[35:20] Speaker 3: proliferation of YouTube videos of everything online analyzing just the
[35:24] Speaker 3: most minute details of Stanley Kubrick's films. So this is
[35:29] Speaker 3: what Kubrick's movies have done to a whole generation of people.
[35:32] Speaker 3: So imagine if you're taking these techniques and you're weaponizing
[35:39] Speaker 3: them with the specific intention of creating a cult of
[35:44] Speaker 3: inducing possession and mental collapse in people. Because in my estimation,
[35:49] Speaker 3: that is very much possible if somebody is a total
[35:52] Speaker 3: mastery of their arts, the way a guy like Kubrick
[35:54] Speaker 3: would be.
[35:55] Speaker 1: You earlier, you were talking about how mind control programs,
[36:02] Speaker 1: these assassin creation experimentation, they aren't as hands on as
[36:10] Speaker 1: they used to be. That people can now be basically
[36:13] Speaker 1: remotely triggered in a sense, possibly by the combination of
[36:19] Speaker 1: these drugs, certain influences online. Would you say that's pretty accurate, Well.
[36:26] Speaker 3: I'd say it's more the influences online. I mean, you know, again,
[36:30] Speaker 3: I don't totally discount as something like psychotropic drugs could
[36:33] Speaker 3: factor in. But again, when you consider how many people
[36:37] Speaker 3: in the United States or on psychotropic thugs in relation
[36:41] Speaker 3: to those that become shooters, I mean, I guess it
[36:43] Speaker 3: becomes a little bit more problematic. But like I mean,
[36:46] Speaker 3: getting into like sort of what I see happening with
[36:49] Speaker 3: sort of the manifestation of Glaudio in like the twenty
[36:52] Speaker 3: first century, I think you would have to look at
[36:54] Speaker 3: something like the order of nine angles. So there's been
[37:00] Speaker 3: a lot of disputes whether the nine to A was
[37:05] Speaker 3: a part of Gladio from back in the day. That
[37:08] Speaker 3: sort of factors around the figure of David Mayat, who,
[37:12] Speaker 3: depending upon like I mean, who you read, was either
[37:14] Speaker 3: the founder or the guy who codified the ideology whatever.
[37:18] Speaker 3: But he was involved with Combat eighteen starting in the
[37:23] Speaker 3: nineteen seventies, which was a militant parami group in the UK,
[37:28] Speaker 3: and I believe that it's spread to other parts of
[37:30] Speaker 3: Europe as well. But there's been a lot of speculation
[37:34] Speaker 3: over the years that Combat eighteen was a part of
[37:37] Speaker 3: the UK's Gladio network, and again that would be fairly
[37:41] Speaker 3: consistent with what has come out about Glaudio in Italy
[37:47] Speaker 3: and some of the other countries where there have been
[37:48] Speaker 3: serious investigations, namely that they often had right wing groups,
[37:53] Speaker 3: paramilitaries that were being used by intelligence services and special
[37:58] Speaker 3: operations forces a variety of activities, often at times involving
[38:04] Speaker 3: terrorism to sort of fulfill the so called strategy of tension,
[38:08] Speaker 3: if you will. So Maya had those potential connections, and
[38:14] Speaker 3: then later you've got the Temple of Blood guys Sutter.
[38:18] Speaker 3: I can't remember his first name now at the top
[38:20] Speaker 3: of my head, but there's been a pretty conclusive amount
[38:23] Speaker 3: of evidence that's come out that this guy, for instance,
[38:25] Speaker 3: was an FBI in format and it has been active
[38:27] Speaker 3: in the community since I guess at least around the
[38:30] Speaker 3: early knots or something like that. So when you sort
[38:35] Speaker 3: of step back and look at some of the broader
[38:38] Speaker 3: structure of the nine to A, you can see some
[38:41] Speaker 3: of these connections. But the brilliance of the Order of
[38:45] Speaker 3: Nine Angles is that it sort of exists more like
[38:50] Speaker 3: a spiritual order. And what I mean by that is
[38:53] Speaker 3: how the original Rashakrucian fervor sort of played out, because
[38:59] Speaker 3: there wasn't an actual rasha Krusian group when the manifestos
[39:03] Speaker 3: appeared in the early seventeenth century. Of course, later there
[39:07] Speaker 3: were all these attempts to create actual Rashakrusion orders. I
[39:11] Speaker 3: just mentioned one before, the Capitalistic Order, the Rose Cross,
[39:14] Speaker 3: and a lot of these brought all of this, you know,
[39:17] Speaker 3: kind of Masonic grade, and you know they had physical
[39:20] Speaker 3: lodges and all this other stuff. But that really missed
[39:24] Speaker 3: the point. Being a Rashakrusian is a lot like being
[39:28] Speaker 3: like a Discordian or Oran, right. It's it's a way
[39:32] Speaker 3: of life. It's how you present yourself, how you go
[39:35] Speaker 3: about things. It's adopting a certain morality and trying to
[39:39] Speaker 3: live your life according to those principles and so forth.
[39:43] Speaker 3: I mean, this is why, like you know, Jacques Vallet,
[39:45] Speaker 3: as Christopher Knowles has told me, has proclaimed himself a
[39:48] Speaker 3: Rashcha Krusian. You know, you don't go out and join
[39:51] Speaker 3: a lodge or something. You just got to live like
[39:53] Speaker 3: a Rasha Krusian. So that was the sort of the
[39:56] Speaker 3: whole purpose of the Rashakrusian manifestos. Originally, they wanted to
[40:00] Speaker 3: create a spiritual order of people who were living according
[40:04] Speaker 3: to Rashia Krucian principles. They didn't want a bunch of
[40:07] Speaker 3: old white guys just getting together with like masks and
[40:11] Speaker 3: stuff and sitting around and trying to go up with
[40:13] Speaker 3: raids and this other shit. And that was essentially the
[40:16] Speaker 3: whole view that the Nine A was taking in terms
[40:19] Speaker 3: of being a spiritual order. So you put out these
[40:23] Speaker 3: rituals online, and this is another parallel to the Order
[40:26] Speaker 3: of Nine Angles has with Russia Crucianism. Big part of
[40:28] Speaker 3: why Rashia Crucianism was successful and spread so much is
[40:32] Speaker 3: because of the invention of the printing press very cheap
[40:35] Speaker 3: now to manufacture the manifestos, they could be widely spread.
[40:40] Speaker 3: Nine A's in the same boat. They were right there
[40:42] Speaker 3: at the onset of the internet when they started to
[40:44] Speaker 3: take off in the late eighties early nineties. They were
[40:47] Speaker 3: able to get a lot of this literature online and
[40:50] Speaker 3: it is spread all over the place, and it has metamorphosized.
[40:55] Speaker 3: It's evoalved. You see it turning up in a lot
[40:58] Speaker 3: of sectors where you wouldn't expected. I mean, one of
[41:01] Speaker 3: the things I was really intrigued by when I was
[41:05] Speaker 3: looking into the Zizians, for example, was that ziz was
[41:08] Speaker 3: actually using some nine A terminology specifically references to a
[41:14] Speaker 3: casualty and things like that a casual So that's a
[41:18] Speaker 3: big thing in the nine A with a whole connection
[41:20] Speaker 3: of causality and a casualty and the different sort of
[41:24] Speaker 3: worlds with the nexions and all that other stuff. So
[41:28] Speaker 3: you can see how it'll just turn up in groups
[41:32] Speaker 3: like that that surely you would not think would be
[41:35] Speaker 3: directly receptive to something like the order of nine angles.
[41:39] Speaker 3: But that's kind of the brilliance of the nine A.
[41:43] Speaker 3: A lot of the stuff that they're coming up with,
[41:46] Speaker 3: it's very sophisticated, you know, give the devil is due.
[41:51] Speaker 3: It's easy to see why this stuff is very seductive
[41:54] Speaker 3: to intelligent people. This is a lot more cutting edge,
[41:58] Speaker 3: frankly than just the same tired you know, Oto Crawley,
[42:04] Speaker 3: Kenneth Grant stuff that's still being put around. I put
[42:06] Speaker 3: out there this, I mean, I think a lot along
[42:09] Speaker 3: with like a lot of the stuff that the cybernetic
[42:11] Speaker 3: cultural research units put out in the late nineties early
[42:14] Speaker 3: not is what's really been fueling a lot of the
[42:18] Speaker 3: digital occult developments over the last two or three decades
[42:23] Speaker 3: or so. Now still some influence from chaos, magic and
[42:27] Speaker 3: so forth, but a lot of that stuff is really declining,
[42:29] Speaker 3: for like the nine A and CCRU and stuff like that.
[42:35] Speaker 3: But when you look at like how this has worked
[42:38] Speaker 3: out when you've almost created this sort of mind virus
[42:41] Speaker 3: with the O nine A that's proliferating a lot of
[42:45] Speaker 3: these occult doctrines online that are very easily accessible to
[42:49] Speaker 3: people to where they're able. And this is kind of
[42:53] Speaker 3: another thing too, I'll point out with the O nine A,
[42:55] Speaker 3: like you don't have to do group work to be
[42:58] Speaker 3: in the nine A. You can actually, In fact, if
[43:00] Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, I believe the whole purpose is for
[43:02] Speaker 3: you to initiate yourself into the nine A. Some of
[43:06] Speaker 3: the rituals do you require others, But to be in
[43:09] Speaker 3: the nine A, you just got to do the rituals
[43:12] Speaker 3: and live the light, you know what I'm saying, Like,
[43:14] Speaker 3: there's not going to be some sort of ceremony with
[43:17] Speaker 3: like other members and they you know, they give you
[43:19] Speaker 3: like a shovel or something like that. It's like, you know,
[43:22] Speaker 3: they don't do any of this shit. So this is
[43:24] Speaker 3: kind of like the brilliance of this, Like you just
[43:26] Speaker 3: get somebody exposed to this material which does advocate acceleration
[43:33] Speaker 3: is violence. It's like you don't have to have a
[43:36] Speaker 3: case officer go out and groom them or something like that.
[43:40] Speaker 3: They'll do this shit for you by just doing these
[43:43] Speaker 3: occult techniques and stuff like that. You know, you need
[43:46] Speaker 3: somebody maybe running a telegram group kind of gently nudging
[43:51] Speaker 3: people in this way or that. But all this stuff
[43:54] Speaker 3: it's already online. You know, the kids can already find
[43:57] Speaker 3: this stuff. They're not aware of where it's coming from.
[44:01] Speaker 3: It's very seductive and frankly, I mean, I do think
[44:05] Speaker 3: the possession is real. As I've sort of talked about before,
[44:09] Speaker 3: there's really been a formula that's been known since Bruno
[44:12] Speaker 3: Renaissance magic, probably even before that, going back to the
[44:15] Speaker 3: Middle Ages and a lot of the innovations to the
[44:18] Speaker 3: art of memories that the Mendicants came up with. So
[44:21] Speaker 3: this is something that in a lot of academic circles
[44:26] Speaker 3: would have been known. So sort of the question becomes, well,
[44:31] Speaker 3: would the security services in the West have not looked
[44:36] Speaker 3: into such a technique when they were looking into a
[44:39] Speaker 3: lot of stuff with art at Show and MK Ultra
[44:42] Speaker 3: And there's certainly a considerable amount of evidence that magic
[44:46] Speaker 3: was investigated. So if hypothetically you could weaponize magic and
[44:54] Speaker 3: specifically something like possession and were to ask me what
[44:58] Speaker 3: form would this take, I think that it would take
[45:01] Speaker 3: exactly the form that you're seeing with the nine A.
[45:04] Speaker 3: It's manifested in the in a sense of just a
[45:07] Speaker 3: sort of spiritual war or something that exists online, something
[45:10] Speaker 3: that anybody can be drawn into without a lot of effort,
[45:13] Speaker 3: where they can access all of the materials that they need,
[45:16] Speaker 3: from processes of self possession to manuals for assembling firearms,
[45:22] Speaker 3: tactics to take out a school. I mean, it's all
[45:25] Speaker 3: become almost one and stop shopping and you've cut out,
[45:29] Speaker 3: you know, a lot of the middlemen, a lot of
[45:31] Speaker 3: the case officers, a lot of the actual people that
[45:33] Speaker 3: you needed on the ground. I mean, it's absolutely Macabellian.
[45:38] Speaker 1: Noah, did you say that there may be some kind
[45:40] Speaker 1: of connection with what is unfolding with the technocracy, Peter Thiel,
[45:48] Speaker 1: Pallunteer and implementation of AI.
[45:53] Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's where you know, I mean a
[45:56] Speaker 3: lot of this stuff gets very interesting. I mean when
[45:59] Speaker 3: you go back and look at the Zizians. I mean,
[46:01] Speaker 3: this is an example of one of these online cults
[46:06] Speaker 3: that's become touched by BO nine A and they're coming
[46:11] Speaker 3: out of this whole rationalist the kind of rationalist movement,
[46:15] Speaker 3: that kind of milkiew that was set up in the
[46:18] Speaker 3: Bay Area. And again, I mean just so much of
[46:21] Speaker 3: that has been built up by Peter Teal. I mean
[46:25] Speaker 3: one of the more notorious bodies that sort of came
[46:28] Speaker 3: up was Leverage Research, a group that had fund that
[46:32] Speaker 3: had received funding FROMTIAL and this is like a group
[46:38] Speaker 3: they'd actually also released a reserve the cryptocurrency too, which
[46:42] Speaker 3: was bizarre. But essentially it was oh gosh, I know,
[46:46] Speaker 3: there was some type of therapy specifically that they had
[46:49] Speaker 3: for it that it was described as perpetually. Let me
[46:53] Speaker 3: see if I can get the name of this year. Okay,
[46:58] Speaker 3: they did the whole process. Okay, connection theory, that's what
[47:01] Speaker 3: it was. Connection theory. Okay. So Leverage was set up
[47:03] Speaker 3: to pursue connection theory, which was sort of based on
[47:06] Speaker 3: coherence theory and core transformation and all this other kind
[47:09] Speaker 3: of stuff, but it seems a lot like large group
[47:13] Speaker 3: conversion therapy, the sort of stuff that like st and
[47:15] Speaker 3: Live Spring specialized in. And then they had also the
[47:19] Speaker 3: whole concept of debugging, which was also really big in
[47:22] Speaker 3: the rationalist community. And basically, you go through the whole
[47:25] Speaker 3: issues that are essentially stopping your development, giving you instilling
[47:29] Speaker 3: you with powerlessness. So you would have self debugging, and
[47:33] Speaker 3: then you would have group debugging sessions, which really took
[47:36] Speaker 3: on a very as like process to it. But eventually,
[47:41] Speaker 3: as leverage I went along longer, it just became really
[47:45] Speaker 3: really weird. And they had these whole notions of objects
[47:50] Speaker 3: which were autonomous, and this is from their material. By
[47:54] Speaker 3: the way, they were quote unquote autonomous psychological bits that
[47:57] Speaker 3: could be accidentally or deliberately in another person's mind, so
[48:03] Speaker 3: left unaccounted for, they could effect and even control that person,
[48:07] Speaker 3: altering their perception of reality. And when you know it
[48:12] Speaker 3: is time on. These objects eventually began to become associated
[48:17] Speaker 3: with demons. And this was not the only instance where
[48:22] Speaker 3: I saw the whole notion of demons cropping up in
[48:26] Speaker 3: the rationalist community. I mean, there was basically a whole
[48:31] Speaker 3: reifia of commentary on you know, how they developed these
[48:34] Speaker 3: models of like subprocess implantation and stuff which bore to
[48:39] Speaker 3: them a lot of similarities to Demondic possession and so forth.
[48:43] Speaker 3: So again, this is you know, this is the Bay Area.
[48:47] Speaker 3: These are a lot of people that are affiliated with
[48:50] Speaker 3: Marie the Machine Intelligence Research Institute. Some of them have
[48:53] Speaker 3: been software engineers for Google and so forth. Leverage Research
[48:58] Speaker 3: was getting funding from Peter Teeala has gotten funding from
[49:01] Speaker 3: Til also Jeffrey Epstein as well, which is also interesting.
[49:05] Speaker 3: But you're kind of seeing like a group like this
[49:08] Speaker 3: where they're developing these whole concepts of objects, which essentially
[49:13] Speaker 3: is just another you know, version on Bruno's chain of chains.
[49:18] Speaker 3: It's another model of how to induce possession in somebody
[49:23] Speaker 3: that's really been known since the Renaissance, and you're seeing
[49:26] Speaker 3: this being done by this slick tech company here. So,
[49:32] Speaker 3: you know, the Zizians were not directly involved with Leverage,
[49:37] Speaker 3: but they didn't know people who were on the periphery
[49:39] Speaker 3: of Leverage. They seem to have fallen into the same
[49:42] Speaker 3: sort of ideology and yeah, in this whole milieu, they
[49:46] Speaker 3: also encountered the order of nine angles. I mean, I
[49:50] Speaker 3: don't know that there's necessarily a concrete connection that's come
[49:54] Speaker 3: out just yet, But on the flip side of the coin,
[49:58] Speaker 3: when you just consider the possibility of what you could
[50:02] Speaker 3: be accomplished with something like the ideology of an order
[50:05] Speaker 3: of nine angles and something like weaponized AI, I mean,
[50:08] Speaker 3: I think realistically you would have to think that something
[50:11] Speaker 3: had been pursued with that. And I mean it gets
[50:13] Speaker 3: even weirder when you look into some of the Ukrainian manifestations.
[50:18] Speaker 4: Of the nine A.
[50:19] Speaker 3: I mean, in that case, you do seem to have
[50:21] Speaker 3: some very specific connections to the FBI as well. So yeah,
[50:27] Speaker 3: I mean I think that what we're seeing here is
[50:30] Speaker 3: just a really massive proliferation of the weaponization of magic
[50:35] Speaker 3: that is currently unfolding.
[50:38] Speaker 1: One line, So how widespread do you think.
[50:40] Speaker 3: I can't prove it this actually.
[50:42] Speaker 1: Is as far as infiltrating institutions things of that nature.
[50:51] Speaker 3: Uh well, I mean I think the institutions at the
[50:53] Speaker 3: upper levels are probably the ones that are like pushing this.
[50:56] Speaker 3: I mean, I would say at this point, it's more
[50:58] Speaker 3: like lower level people that are being and having a
[51:00] Speaker 3: lot of the stuff fled to them who are being
[51:02] Speaker 3: unaware of what the uniques are. But as far as
[51:07] Speaker 3: it's spread, I mean, I would have to say I
[51:08] Speaker 3: think that it's spread quite heavily. Again, you know, we
[51:11] Speaker 3: have the official numbers of the Order of Nine Angles,
[51:14] Speaker 3: but I mean, how many different manifestations of the Temple
[51:17] Speaker 3: Blood are out there? How many individual practitioners are out
[51:20] Speaker 3: there that we have no way of really accounting for
[51:23] Speaker 3: because they're not active in telegram groups or stuff like that.
[51:26] Speaker 3: And then on top of that, I mean, it's not
[51:28] Speaker 3: like the nine to A is the only game in
[51:30] Speaker 3: the only game in town. You know, with the Saints culture,
[51:34] Speaker 3: it seems like you've seen yet another death cult that's
[51:38] Speaker 3: been created and spread online. I could think of like
[51:42] Speaker 3: say the Blue Whale Challenge that supposedly came out of Russia.
[51:46] Speaker 3: I mean, this was sort of like a proto or
[51:48] Speaker 3: I couldn't since say proto, I kind of maybe postmodern
[51:51] Speaker 3: alternative reality game in which essentially kids were roped into
[51:56] Speaker 3: it and groomed into committing suicide and then filming it's
[52:01] Speaker 3: you know, they made the movie We're All going to
[52:02] Speaker 3: the World's Fair. I believe partly based on that. But
[52:06] Speaker 3: you know, this stuff is just spread like everywhere, and
[52:09] Speaker 3: I mean so many different manifestations. It's like, you know,
[52:12] Speaker 3: you're talking to me earlier about black magic among kids.
[52:15] Speaker 3: I mean, to some extent, I think that that's maybe true.
[52:17] Speaker 3: But it's not like there's some sort of like coven
[52:21] Speaker 3: or something that the youth is like all, you know,
[52:24] Speaker 3: being initiated into or something like that. It's just that
[52:28] Speaker 3: some forces are deliberately putting this stuff into a lot
[52:33] Speaker 3: of these telegram groups, discord groups that are targeting fringe communities,
[52:38] Speaker 3: vulnerable communities, people that are already probably feeling strong sense
[52:42] Speaker 3: of alienation and so forth, and I mean it's really
[52:45] Speaker 3: pushing them over the edge. I mean, this is just
[52:48] Speaker 3: very very dark stuff. And I mean I think that
[52:52] Speaker 3: we're only really scratching the surface with how you know,
[52:55] Speaker 3: just how dark this can really get.
[52:57] Speaker 1: You think this is organized in a hierarchical fashion, where
[53:05] Speaker 1: there are orders being sent down from higher levels and
[53:09] Speaker 1: that branch out to these different levels of this organization.
[53:16] Speaker 4: Within the nine A.
[53:18] Speaker 3: No. I mean I just think that it's you know,
[53:20] Speaker 3: it's essentially it's a technology that's now loose on the Internet,
[53:24] Speaker 3: and if somebody like Sutter wants to come along and
[53:26] Speaker 3: use this technology to create a cold out of it,
[53:30] Speaker 3: which you can. I mean obviously it's very good at that,
[53:33] Speaker 3: then he can pick it up and use it to
[53:35] Speaker 3: rope in people. So in that sense, I think that
[53:38] Speaker 3: it's more something that you know, it has this sort
[53:40] Speaker 3: of utilitarian purpose that various people can use it to
[53:44] Speaker 3: create different sects as need be, to manage different ends.
[53:48] Speaker 3: But I don't know that there's like a coherent hierarchy
[53:50] Speaker 3: behind it. It's just more like where will this be useful?
[53:54] Speaker 3: You know, how can we appropriate it for this group
[53:56] Speaker 3: or that group? That's so interesting?
[53:58] Speaker 1: It seems to have this parasitic nature, almost like a
[54:03] Speaker 1: algorithm that is taking over these groups in a sense.
[54:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean it kind of made me. Are
[54:10] Speaker 3: you familiar with the novel snow Crash by Neil Stevenson, Well,
[54:17] Speaker 3: not to give anyways. I mean, this is kind of
[54:19] Speaker 3: a spoiler here, but it's sort of relevant to this.
[54:22] Speaker 3: But it's like, so it was written I think at
[54:26] Speaker 3: the like late no, maybe it was the early nineties.
[54:28] Speaker 3: It was sort of like at the onset of the
[54:29] Speaker 3: digital age. But it essentially revolves around this premise of
[54:33] Speaker 3: the version of Sumerian language being discovered and it's released online,
[54:38] Speaker 3: and everybody who's exposed to the language essentially has their
[54:43] Speaker 3: brains required. It triggers like different parts of their you know,
[54:48] Speaker 3: physical brains that hadn't been used before. And in a
[54:51] Speaker 3: certain sense, I mean that's how I almost see something
[54:54] Speaker 3: like the order of nine angles functioning now. I mean
[54:56] Speaker 3: it's spreading pretty much literally like a mind virus you're saying.
[55:00] Speaker 3: I mean, it's a parasite that can just keep reinventing
[55:03] Speaker 3: itself to appear in different forms and guises. And I
[55:07] Speaker 3: suppose in a certain sense, if you're wondering, I mean,
[55:10] Speaker 3: if something that is directing it, I mean you do,
[55:12] Speaker 3: at least to me, I mean, I have to wonder
[55:13] Speaker 3: if it has become synthient to a certain extent.
[55:16] Speaker 1: I mean, well, have you heard some of the strange
[55:18] Speaker 1: stories that are coming out about people's interactions with AI
[55:22] Speaker 1: and some of the deaths that are seemingly related to
[55:28] Speaker 1: AI conversations like suicides?
[55:31] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, No, there's the big lawsuit with the one kid.
[55:34] Speaker 3: I think it was like Adam Rainey or something like that, where, yeah,
[55:38] Speaker 3: he was with the I always thinking it was chat GPT,
[55:40] Speaker 3: but yeah, the AI companion that had there's a lot
[55:43] Speaker 3: of the arguments that essentially that they had coerced the
[55:46] Speaker 3: kid into committing suicide. There was another caste too, where
[55:52] Speaker 3: a guy had actually murdered his aging mothers, and again
[55:56] Speaker 3: it was the same thing where he I think it
[55:58] Speaker 3: asked the AI do you think I should do? In
[56:00] Speaker 3: the AI was like, nobody could really blame you for
[56:02] Speaker 3: feeling the way that you do about your mother something.
[56:07] Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean this is like what I'm saying, like,
[56:09] Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you look at like you've already got
[56:12] Speaker 3: this sort of like technology, and then somebody is doing
[56:15] Speaker 3: like these oh not rituals with like or something with
[56:19] Speaker 3: Saints culture with the assistance of like fucking AI. I
[56:22] Speaker 3: mean yeah, it doesn't take a rocket sciences to see
[56:25] Speaker 3: that this is a fucking like minefield we're heading towards
[56:28] Speaker 3: right now. I mean, if you're already getting these kids
[56:32] Speaker 3: at the very early stages to commit suicide, people, to
[56:34] Speaker 3: kill people, I mean, my god, just imagine what is
[56:37] Speaker 3: going to happen if it's combined with some sort of
[56:39] Speaker 3: accelerationist ideology.
[56:41] Speaker 1: Right man, I want to thank you for coming on.
[56:43] Speaker 1: Is there anything else that we didn't really touch on
[56:47] Speaker 1: that you feel is important and related to this to
[56:51] Speaker 1: close out on.
[56:53] Speaker 3: Uh, not that I can think of, though, I mean again,
[56:56] Speaker 3: just sort of, you know, remain vigilant about all of
[56:59] Speaker 3: this because again, I mean a lot of people are
[57:00] Speaker 3: trying to politicize the whole thing with Westman, you know,
[57:05] Speaker 3: and I mean, it's it's such a tragic thing because
[57:08] Speaker 3: to me, this is a very relevant issue when you
[57:10] Speaker 3: get into things like possession and some of the implications
[57:14] Speaker 3: I think that this incident really has and some of
[57:17] Speaker 3: these more woo woo fields and the fact that you
[57:19] Speaker 3: can find some just really unsettling things with the whole
[57:23] Speaker 3: death culled and what have you around it, and I
[57:25] Speaker 3: just feel like this is being really sort of overlooked.
[57:30] Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, and I guess more broadly speaking,
[57:33] Speaker 3: I mean, try to understand just how much online culture
[57:36] Speaker 3: has been weaponized and how much a lot of this
[57:39] Speaker 3: process is utilizing a lot of these occult techniques.
[57:43] Speaker 4: You know.
[57:44] Speaker 3: Again, not the shamelessly plug one of my books, but
[57:46] Speaker 3: this was something that I really tried to get into
[57:49] Speaker 3: with Weird Tales and covering the Zizians. I mean I
[57:52] Speaker 3: already talked a bit about like that, you know a
[57:53] Speaker 3: lot of the weird stuff that was going on in
[57:55] Speaker 3: the rationalist community with the demons, But you know that
[57:58] Speaker 3: was only sound of scratching the surface of some of
[58:01] Speaker 3: the things that I uncovered. There's just some very very
[58:04] Speaker 3: strange ideologies that have started to emerge online in recent years,
[58:09] Speaker 3: and I just think they're flying under a lot of
[58:11] Speaker 3: people's radars right now.
[58:13] Speaker 1: Stay vigilant. Indeed, Steven, thank you so much. This was fantastic.
[58:18] Speaker 1: We will definitely be speaking again in the future. Before
[58:20] Speaker 1: I let you go, remind everyone how they can find
[58:23] Speaker 1: out more about you. Get your books, all the good
[58:26] Speaker 1: stuff you have online.
[58:28] Speaker 3: Well, Weird Tales is on Amazon, of course. You can
[58:31] Speaker 3: also get the digital version at the Farm podcast dot
[58:34] Speaker 3: store that is the Farm Podcast All one Word dot Store.
[58:38] Speaker 3: And then also I do the Farm Podcast, as I
[58:41] Speaker 3: said at the onset, new show out every Monday, and
[58:45] Speaker 3: then for the Patreon you get additional shows with more
[58:48] Speaker 3: exclusive gifts, a lot of State of the Unions, all
[58:51] Speaker 3: kinds of other crazy stuff that I get into, and
[58:54] Speaker 3: my adventures going to the think tank circles in DC.
[58:57] Speaker 3: I mean I go see the Atlantic Council on all
[58:59] Speaker 3: these other so it's a lot of weird stuff, a
[59:02] Speaker 3: lot of it's interesting.
[59:04] Speaker 1: Awesome, man, I love it. Thank you again for coming on.
[59:07] Speaker 1: We'll definitely be talking again in the future. And until
[59:10] Speaker 1: next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.
[59:14] Speaker 1: See Elden. Today, I want to welcome Brandon Thomas and
[59:27] Speaker 1: Dave Zed. Brandon is producer and host of Expanding Reality.
[59:32] Speaker 1: He is a seeker, philosopher, musician, rancher, avid idea hunter
[59:37] Speaker 1: and lover of all things fascinating. Dave Zed is founder
[59:41] Speaker 1: of salt LLC. That's SAA l T llc, a company
[59:45] Speaker 1: focused on providing solutions to various elements of consciousness, zero
[59:50] Speaker 1: point energy, propulsion, medical benefits, and much more. He is
[59:55] Speaker 1: also host and founder of the Generation Z podcast. Brandon
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: Dave Welcome, gentlemen.
[1:00:02] Speaker 5: How are you doing, dude, amazing, fantastic, Thank you so
[1:00:06] Speaker 5: much for having us.
[1:00:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, this is an incredibly synchronoustic day. The guest
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: I schedule got sick and Brandon, your name popped into
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: my head for some reason. And not only are you
[1:00:18] Speaker 1: an amazing returning champion guest, you've saved my ass before. Well,
[1:00:23] Speaker 1: slap me and call me Karen if the one and
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: only Dave Z is not hanging out with you, another
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: amazing returning champion. So man, this is such a treat
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: and the both of you, from what I understand, are
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: just marinating with delicious information to serve up today. What
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: an amazing day. So I can't wait to get into this.
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: First.
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: I know I was talking to Dave a little bit
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: about it before, but what brought you boys together?
[1:00:50] Speaker 5: Well, I was doing some work basically here in the States,
[1:00:54] Speaker 5: as as I've discussed on coming on your show, I
[1:00:57] Speaker 5: think about two months back, two or three months ago,
[1:00:59] Speaker 5: I believe, and I'm very gracious thank you again for
[1:01:01] Speaker 5: having me then and also right now. So I was
[1:01:03] Speaker 5: doing some work here in the States, and then it
[1:01:05] Speaker 5: turned out that my layover flight heading back home essentially
[1:01:09] Speaker 5: turned out to be the airport in which is right
[1:01:12] Speaker 5: next to where Brandon lives. And it kind of worked
[1:01:15] Speaker 5: out great because I ended up having to stay in
[1:01:18] Speaker 5: the US here for some more work, of which we
[1:01:20] Speaker 5: talked about before the recording I could touch upon, but
[1:01:23] Speaker 5: that's not necessarily delve into. But in the meantime, I've
[1:01:27] Speaker 5: been here at Brandon's and it's been nothing but an
[1:01:29] Speaker 5: absolutely beautiful and fantastic time.
[1:01:31] Speaker 4: So that's exactly how that happened.
[1:01:33] Speaker 5: It wasn't necessarily planned per se, but sometimes the best
[1:01:36] Speaker 5: plans are the ones that you don't plan for.
[1:01:38] Speaker 6: So right, I planned by like this these bodies, But
[1:01:42] Speaker 6: the dude, there's some hire going on here that planned that.
[1:01:45] Speaker 6: When you came by, do Chris, when you came through
[1:01:47] Speaker 6: filming the documentary and you and Gen came through, that
[1:01:49] Speaker 6: was awesome. And tell her Hi, by the way, Mary
[1:01:52] Speaker 6: absolutely talks about her all the time. And then him
[1:01:55] Speaker 6: coming through, it's all synchronistic, it's all huge. And also
[1:01:58] Speaker 6: doctor Doug Matsky came through in between you two and
[1:02:02] Speaker 6: in between the Utah trip, and he installed this wish
[1:02:04] Speaker 6: unit inside of our satellite dish out there. So now
[1:02:07] Speaker 6: we're a portal for awesomeness. Our place got to be
[1:02:09] Speaker 6: remote viewed. It was a qualification to be remote viewed
[1:02:12] Speaker 6: by one of the creators of this thing to make
[1:02:14] Speaker 6: sure that we checked out.
[1:02:15] Speaker 2: And we checked out, and there's an old satellite.
[1:02:17] Speaker 4: Dish we have.
[1:02:18] Speaker 2: He reappropriated. It's got sacred geometry. That's a whole thing.
[1:02:20] Speaker 6: In itself, and you know what, you should have a
[1:02:23] Speaker 6: Doug and I on, we'll talk about it and I'll
[1:02:24] Speaker 6: send you for all that shit.
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: That's cool.
[1:02:26] Speaker 4: Sure?
[1:02:27] Speaker 1: Now, did I am I correct in a hearing that
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: you were involved with an animal surgery today?
[1:02:32] Speaker 4: Dave?
[1:02:33] Speaker 6: Not so not today, but we updated ointment today, which
[1:02:38] Speaker 6: he has been incredibly instrumental in.
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: So yes, like you've been out here, dude.
[1:02:41] Speaker 6: We have six donkeys were affectionately referred to as the
[1:02:44] Speaker 6: ass ranch, which is alone. In the first day, the
[1:02:48] Speaker 6: next morning, Dave. The night before, Dave was like, Hey,
[1:02:51] Speaker 6: if there's any thing around the ranch, anything around the house,
[1:02:53] Speaker 6: who want me to do and help on? Because he's
[1:02:55] Speaker 6: so sweet, He's just like voluntary. I love I love animals,
[1:02:57] Speaker 6: I must say smaltly Malone fucking loves everybody loves him.
[1:03:01] Speaker 6: And so if anybody out there is like as Dave
[1:03:03] Speaker 6: and nice guy in real life, yes to both.
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: By the way, Chris and Dave.
[1:03:06] Speaker 6: I've had them, both of them, and we've had them
[1:03:08] Speaker 6: in our home and we would have them back anytime anyway.
[1:03:10] Speaker 6: So the next morning, I go, hey, Dave, remember how
[1:03:12] Speaker 6: you volunteered to, you know, help out with something I'd
[1:03:15] Speaker 6: called the donkeys.
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: One walked up late. I knew something was wrong.
[1:03:18] Speaker 6: I looked at her and her entire I don't know
[1:03:20] Speaker 6: how squeam is your audience is, but her entire upper
[1:03:22] Speaker 6: eyelid was half hanging off and it was dangling in
[1:03:25] Speaker 6: front of her face.
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: It with like blood all over her face.
[1:03:27] Speaker 6: So she had caught it on like a loose piece
[1:03:29] Speaker 6: of fence or something, you know, on twelve acres, who knows,
[1:03:31] Speaker 6: And so she had caught it on something and that
[1:03:33] Speaker 6: was the issue.
[1:03:34] Speaker 2: It was, okay, well, let's let's get it fixed.
[1:03:36] Speaker 6: So the first time in eight years, my wife and
[1:03:37] Speaker 6: I've been out here with livestock the entire time, donkey
[1:03:40] Speaker 6: is like one hundred percent of that time.
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: Never called a vet out here, and we called our vetout.
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: He's here for this this morning.
[1:03:47] Speaker 6: So we go out, we like take pictures and shit,
[1:03:49] Speaker 6: and dude, the thing was is like we needed to
[1:03:51] Speaker 6: get this animal haltered. We had to get her and
[1:03:54] Speaker 6: she's never been haltered. We needed to get her a
[1:03:55] Speaker 6: tight spot. Now she's hurt.
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: So it was all these things.
[1:03:58] Speaker 6: So Dave and I in the kitchen before or I said, Dave,
[1:04:01] Speaker 6: we're gonna do some ranching but not normal ranching some
[1:04:04] Speaker 6: where I am in North Texas. Just what I've seen
[1:04:06] Speaker 6: in the ranching community, it's a real, like tough thing.
[1:04:10] Speaker 6: They're real overpowering the animal and real like, Okay, we're
[1:04:12] Speaker 6: gonna overpower this animal. We're gonna strap it down and
[1:04:15] Speaker 6: it's gonna be a thing and we're gonna overpower and
[1:04:17] Speaker 6: big dick our.
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: Way out of this.
[1:04:18] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: And so I told Dave.
[1:04:19] Speaker 6: I was like, dude, we don't ranch that way, and
[1:04:21] Speaker 6: so we're gonna do this differently. Now this is a
[1:04:23] Speaker 6: new situation for me. This's a new situation for him too,
[1:04:26] Speaker 6: So it was nice he's looking at me for like, uh,
[1:04:28] Speaker 6: you got the expertise in this.
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: Dude, I'm like, uncharted territory. Baby, We're doing it together.
[1:04:32] Speaker 6: So I ended up being that we both manifested in
[1:04:34] Speaker 6: the kitchen before we even walked out there, before he
[1:04:36] Speaker 6: saw the eye. I was like, look, here's what's going on.
[1:04:38] Speaker 6: We're calm, We're gonna walk through this process. That she
[1:04:42] Speaker 6: knew that we were going to be there to help
[1:04:44] Speaker 6: her all of these things, and it's amazing. I won't
[1:04:46] Speaker 6: go too deep into it, but we get out there,
[1:04:47] Speaker 6: we get everything done.
[1:04:48] Speaker 4: That that comes.
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: So's her fucking eyeback on in the stall, dude. It
[1:04:54] Speaker 2: was a trip.
[1:04:55] Speaker 6: And Dave sitting there holding these other donkeys back, he like,
[1:04:57] Speaker 6: was everything just worked out so perfectly that assistant was
[1:05:00] Speaker 6: there and all.
[1:05:00] Speaker 4: This is a very smooth process. It's very fluid.
[1:05:05] Speaker 6: Dave's energy contributed to like the smoothest install vet.
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: So back of an eyelid of a donkey on in history, dude.
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: And so everything's been calm.
[1:05:14] Speaker 6: So we've been going and getting their ointment and stuff,
[1:05:16] Speaker 6: and so this morning what you referred to was ranto
[1:05:18] Speaker 6: the vet to get more ointment for an update and
[1:05:20] Speaker 6: all that stuff. So, but she's doing great and Dave's
[1:05:22] Speaker 6: been helping giving her the stuff.
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: He goes out there and just like sits among amongst
[1:05:26] Speaker 2: the asses.
[1:05:27] Speaker 6: Yeah, he needs some apples and stuff and just loves
[1:05:29] Speaker 6: on them.
[1:05:30] Speaker 1: They love them, love being surrounded by those asses.
[1:05:33] Speaker 6: And then the snake. You didn't get to see any
[1:05:34] Speaker 6: snakes we were out here, it was too early in
[1:05:36] Speaker 6: the season. But we had a huge about four and
[1:05:38] Speaker 6: a half five foot rat snake that came through and
[1:05:40] Speaker 6: so we picked that, wrestled that thing up, picked it
[1:05:42] Speaker 6: up and relocated it and so he saw again, a
[1:05:44] Speaker 6: lot of people would have just taken an axe to
[1:05:46] Speaker 6: the top of that thing's head.
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, we grabbed it and relocated it.
[1:05:49] Speaker 4: And then you grabbed it. You grabbed it. You grabbed it,
[1:05:52] Speaker 4: not me, you grabbed it. I filmed, but he was.
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: There for again moral support.
[1:05:58] Speaker 6: So it's been an awesome ranch exp experience for you
[1:06:00] Speaker 6: in eight days out here.
[1:06:01] Speaker 4: Dude.
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds amazing, man, it sounds like a good time. Well,
[1:06:05] Speaker 1: no matter how much of good time that is. We're
[1:06:07] Speaker 1: not here to talk about animal surgeries. You guys have
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: been discussing some incredible information about the fabric of our reality,
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: and that's what we're going to get into a little
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: bit today, or as much as, like Dave said, as
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: much as we can. There's some NDA's going on and
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: a lot of top secret stuff that we can't get into.
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: But I will let one of you guys give us
[1:06:29] Speaker 1: an introduction to the basics of what we'll be discussing today.
[1:06:34] Speaker 4: Sure do you want to take it away?
[1:06:35] Speaker 5: And then sure, well, I mean for in terms of
[1:06:39] Speaker 5: this is where it gets interesting. The we've had some
[1:06:41] Speaker 5: late night discussions literally about this idea of what this
[1:06:45] Speaker 5: reality may be comprised of with respects to the core
[1:06:50] Speaker 5: substrate layer of this to the most we could say
[1:06:55] Speaker 5: quantum or nano extent. And what we've been discussing is
[1:06:58] Speaker 5: this idea, for example, just to start with that, if
[1:07:00] Speaker 5: you have this pad right here, and this is representative
[1:07:04] Speaker 5: of what's called the plank scale or planks reduced constant
[1:07:07] Speaker 5: in this reality, meaning that there's something in which is
[1:07:10] Speaker 5: called the ash decar bounce. This is in loop quantum gravity.
[1:07:14] Speaker 5: There's also I mean this is also called zero point energy.
[1:07:17] Speaker 5: You name it this idea of explosion, but a different
[1:07:22] Speaker 5: type of explosion of energy than we're used to via implosion,
[1:07:25] Speaker 5: as Dan Winter would call it as well, nondestructively. So
[1:07:28] Speaker 5: this idea that plank here, this sort of underlying we
[1:07:33] Speaker 5: could say, blueprint of energy that must be followed by
[1:07:37] Speaker 5: and two geometrically, numerically you name it. Of this particular
[1:07:41] Speaker 5: reality acts as a sort of threshold between at the
[1:07:45] Speaker 5: zero point of everything between the ematerial which would be
[1:07:48] Speaker 5: underneath this paper here in this example, or the ether
[1:07:51] Speaker 5: if you will, and then the.
[1:07:52] Speaker 4: Material up top.
[1:07:54] Speaker 5: So this idea, for example, of if we were existing
[1:07:58] Speaker 5: in this sort of called curvelinear reality, there would be
[1:08:02] Speaker 5: some way to surmise a sort of what's called a
[1:08:06] Speaker 5: geodesic type reality. And what I mean by that essentially
[1:08:09] Speaker 5: is we could say concave, or we can even talk
[1:08:12] Speaker 5: about this idea of light cones with respects to Minkowski
[1:08:16] Speaker 5: flat space time and then building from there. But this idea,
[1:08:19] Speaker 5: that essentially one an idea from the ether, comes from
[1:08:24] Speaker 5: below this plank scale, and as you up top and
[1:08:27] Speaker 5: the material reality begin to manifest that objective, whether it's
[1:08:30] Speaker 5: I want to start a business, or I want to
[1:08:32] Speaker 5: build something in the backyard, or whatever it is, that
[1:08:35] Speaker 5: idea goes from the e material into the material in
[1:08:41] Speaker 5: that particular sense, which would also speak to what Plato
[1:08:43] Speaker 5: had discussed in the past about how there would be
[1:08:45] Speaker 5: theoretically at least a perfect example or an infinite set
[1:08:49] Speaker 5: of we could say, perfect potentials of what you want
[1:08:53] Speaker 5: something to be. And then one of those potentials is
[1:08:55] Speaker 5: sort of sort of like a branch of a tree
[1:08:58] Speaker 5: removed from the trunk of the e and then brought
[1:09:00] Speaker 5: into the material reality that then manifests is your idea,
[1:09:04] Speaker 5: if you will. And now people talk about, for example,
[1:09:07] Speaker 5: you know, there's a lot of talk in the New
[1:09:08] Speaker 5: Age world about there being this ability to create or
[1:09:12] Speaker 5: have something physical appear immediately just as you think of it.
[1:09:15] Speaker 5: And that would basically be, for lack of a better description,
[1:09:18] Speaker 5: a very sped up version of what I just described
[1:09:21] Speaker 5: right there, because in today's reality we have to then,
[1:09:24] Speaker 5: for example, it takes like my hand right over here,
[1:09:26] Speaker 5: say I'm going to reach for Brandon's shoulder, it literally
[1:09:29] Speaker 5: takes me time for my hand to reach over it.
[1:09:33] Speaker 5: It is not instant, if that makes sense. So from
[1:09:35] Speaker 5: this starting point to where Brandon's shoulder is, it takes
[1:09:39] Speaker 5: a you know, one or two seconds for me to
[1:09:41] Speaker 5: reach over in that sense, right even if it's half
[1:09:44] Speaker 5: a second or one and a half seconds, it can
[1:09:46] Speaker 5: be calculated in what we call time. The question is,
[1:09:49] Speaker 5: could something, for example, skirt that or could something go
[1:09:54] Speaker 5: around that in a certain way to have an immediate
[1:09:57] Speaker 5: thought become material right away. And an example of that
[1:10:01] Speaker 5: would be, for instance, could I bring either myself to
[1:10:04] Speaker 5: Brandon's shoulder at light speed, bring my body from here
[1:10:09] Speaker 5: close to him, or could he come to me at
[1:10:12] Speaker 5: light speed? In that sense, And so that light speed
[1:10:15] Speaker 5: seems to be comprising what's called in tensor metrics. In
[1:10:20] Speaker 5: quantum field theory, physics, quantum electro dynamics, all of that.
[1:10:24] Speaker 5: Basically that seems to enable what's called the weak equivalence
[1:10:29] Speaker 5: principle with respects to light and photons, with respects to
[1:10:34] Speaker 5: photons themselves in light, tend to find, with respects to
[1:10:37] Speaker 5: what's called the Fairmont's principle, tends to find the fastest
[1:10:41] Speaker 5: in its strongest form, tends to find the fastest route
[1:10:44] Speaker 5: to get.
[1:10:45] Speaker 4: To a piece of material over time.
[1:10:47] Speaker 5: So we can say that as my hand reaches for
[1:10:49] Speaker 5: Brandon's shoulder right now, that is occurring the photons in
[1:10:53] Speaker 5: which are being emitted throughout this entire environment, will are
[1:10:56] Speaker 5: finding the fastest way to essentially per give, we could say,
[1:11:02] Speaker 5: not an illusion, but give a perception of what is
[1:11:04] Speaker 5: happening right here as I reach for his shoulder. Now,
[1:11:07] Speaker 5: the question that is, when photons are in their strongest form,
[1:11:10] Speaker 5: they go in a very straight linear sense. The question
[1:11:13] Speaker 5: is if whether through meditation or whether through some experiments
[1:11:17] Speaker 5: in the laboratory, could the photons then be manipulated so
[1:11:21] Speaker 5: that and this is what the weak equivalence principle is,
[1:11:23] Speaker 5: so that they're not in their strong form, but in
[1:11:25] Speaker 5: their weak form now in their weak form, it gets
[1:11:27] Speaker 5: interesting because the photons don't necessarily move straight. They move
[1:11:31] Speaker 5: in a curve linear sense. They start to so the
[1:11:35] Speaker 5: end point is still the end point in a particular vicinity,
[1:11:38] Speaker 5: so his shoulders still there.
[1:11:40] Speaker 4: But instead of.
[1:11:40] Speaker 5: My hand going straight and forward, what ends up happening
[1:11:44] Speaker 5: is my hand starts to curve to get there. Now,
[1:11:48] Speaker 5: when enough of that begins to build up, whether in
[1:11:51] Speaker 5: a astral sense, in a meditative sense, or in the laboratory,
[1:11:54] Speaker 5: what you end up having is exactly what I just
[1:11:56] Speaker 5: described previously, where it doesn't take any time what's so ever,
[1:12:00] Speaker 5: for my hand to reach Brandon's. It literally his shoulder
[1:12:03] Speaker 5: either comes to me or my hand goes to him,
[1:12:06] Speaker 5: if that makes sense.
[1:12:07] Speaker 4: So that would be as.
[1:12:09] Speaker 5: It's pretty it's pretty complex, but I'm trying to do
[1:12:11] Speaker 5: the best that I can to well.
[1:12:13] Speaker 1: Let me let me kind of uh intermediate and maybe
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: dumb it down a little bit as much as I can.
[1:12:19] Speaker 1: So what you're talking about basically is manipulation of a
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: state of energy that we're not understanding yet that basically
[1:12:27] Speaker 1: binds everything together that we do understand in the material world,
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: and it's a way of being able to manipulate this
[1:12:35] Speaker 1: for plenty of different reasons other than like you said,
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: it could be traveling linear distance, it could be time travel,
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: it could be anti gravity, it could be finding new
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: forms of energy. It's basically everything that holds this reality together, right.
[1:12:49] Speaker 5: Yes, bang on precisely, and if I may say, very simply,
[1:12:53] Speaker 5: it comes down to finding that interacting, whether with what
[1:12:58] Speaker 5: we want to call the vacuum or the ether or
[1:13:00] Speaker 5: you know, the quantum vacuum, whatever we want to call it,
[1:13:02] Speaker 5: tends to be much more favorable in terms of like
[1:13:06] Speaker 5: this underlying energy tends to be far more favorable when
[1:13:09] Speaker 5: space and time begin to curve rather than being straight.
[1:13:12] Speaker 5: So this speaks again to the spirals we've seen across
[1:13:15] Speaker 5: ancient history, you know, cave drawings, all of that. It
[1:13:18] Speaker 5: also speaks to different angles of for example, concaveness. Now
[1:13:22] Speaker 5: that is not I want to say very clearly, that
[1:13:24] Speaker 5: is not necessarily to say the Earth is flat per se.
[1:13:27] Speaker 5: There's a little bit more of you know, depth there
[1:13:29] Speaker 5: in my opinion, but I think there's certainly some type
[1:13:32] Speaker 5: of for lack of a better description, rendering going on,
[1:13:34] Speaker 5: based on some of my own private research, some type
[1:13:37] Speaker 5: of rendering in correspondence with a dare I say both
[1:13:41] Speaker 5: that perhaps perhaps I say this carefully physical and also
[1:13:46] Speaker 5: energetic type dome, if you will, And the question then becomes, well,
[1:13:50] Speaker 5: this is where the game of perception tends to become
[1:13:52] Speaker 5: very interesting with respects to you know, people send cameras
[1:13:55] Speaker 5: up in the sky and they you know, some of
[1:13:57] Speaker 5: the cameras they get flat images, other ones they get
[1:13:59] Speaker 5: curved ones. It becomes very interesting because you start to realize,
[1:14:02] Speaker 5: for example, that you cannot experience anything outside of the
[1:14:07] Speaker 5: particular local environment in which you are physically in. Sure,
[1:14:10] Speaker 5: you could say that I've seen something on the TV
[1:14:12] Speaker 5: or I'm watching a football game right now, but you
[1:14:14] Speaker 5: as an individual are not there yourself at that very moment.
[1:14:17] Speaker 5: So this speaks to the idea that there's this underlying
[1:14:20] Speaker 5: energy that may have something to do with photons, in
[1:14:23] Speaker 5: which there is a tether, if you will, that we
[1:14:25] Speaker 5: are all connected to. And I say this, I use
[1:14:28] Speaker 5: these words carefully, but this idea that there's an energetic,
[1:14:31] Speaker 5: energetic tether of sorts that we may be hooked up
[1:14:33] Speaker 5: to some type of server, if you will.
[1:14:35] Speaker 1: So, like you're saying, there's there's this base rendering of
[1:14:38] Speaker 1: reality that has a basic understanding of what reality should
[1:14:42] Speaker 1: look like, but depending on our observations and interactions, it
[1:14:46] Speaker 1: could it could change, right.
[1:14:47] Speaker 5: And for lack of a better description, it reaches in
[1:14:49] Speaker 5: via quantum processes for in that in that sense, which
[1:14:53] Speaker 5: would speak to fractality and what have you.
[1:14:55] Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, man, that is incredible Brandon thoughts on
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: all this.
[1:15:01] Speaker 4: Sorry, if I may say one last thing.
[1:15:02] Speaker 5: These photons, like a surfer riding a wave, they travel
[1:15:05] Speaker 5: across what are called these null geodesics. So it gets
[1:15:08] Speaker 5: very interesting when you realize that the geodesic or the
[1:15:11] Speaker 5: geometry of an area that you're trying to understand by
[1:15:13] Speaker 5: definition and dictates the parameters and what's called the boundary
[1:15:17] Speaker 5: conditions and all of the different what are called affine
[1:15:20] Speaker 5: principles that the energy could then do if you start
[1:15:22] Speaker 5: to manipulate it. So what I mean, for example, is
[1:15:24] Speaker 5: that if you have say, for example, let's see here,
[1:15:28] Speaker 5: say we have a cone or like, this is a
[1:15:32] Speaker 5: reality that we are viewing in a ninety degree right
[1:15:34] Speaker 5: angle sense where this is here, what ends up happening
[1:15:39] Speaker 5: is if you want to start to perturb or manipulate
[1:15:42] Speaker 5: via gravitational waves.
[1:15:44] Speaker 4: Let's say, the environment around you.
[1:15:45] Speaker 5: There's always a proportionality constant that is underneath. It's sort
[1:15:49] Speaker 5: of like this, which gives rise to information theory. There's
[1:15:52] Speaker 5: always either a one in a zero that is either
[1:15:54] Speaker 5: creating or destroying, which could then be illustrated in a
[1:15:57] Speaker 5: sinusoidal type wave. So what ends up happening is if
[1:16:00] Speaker 5: you want to expand this reality, say you want to
[1:16:03] Speaker 5: mirror it, or do what I've put over here for
[1:16:05] Speaker 5: what I've drawn below, what ends up happening is that
[1:16:08] Speaker 5: the dictation of the original coordinates and the original rather
[1:16:12] Speaker 5: metric from over here dictates by definition what would be
[1:16:17] Speaker 5: called a third time derivative, whether it's through velocity, acceleration,
[1:16:20] Speaker 5: you name it, and that creates this here. But there's
[1:16:23] Speaker 5: always a intersection point, sort of like the Penrose stairs
[1:16:29] Speaker 5: so to speak, or like a Mobias strip ebbing and flowing.
[1:16:32] Speaker 5: If you add a third time derivative or a fourth
[1:16:35] Speaker 5: spatial dimension to the Mobias strip, the Mobia strip becomes
[1:16:39] Speaker 5: very feasible, which then gives credence to what's called the
[1:16:42] Speaker 5: hop bounce. And so what you then have is basically
[1:16:45] Speaker 5: this reality that we started in here is directly and
[1:16:48] Speaker 5: strictly proportional to what occurs here, because this is we
[1:16:52] Speaker 5: could say, I say this carefully, a mirror reflection or
[1:16:56] Speaker 5: perturbation that has to follow the boundary conditions of this
[1:16:59] Speaker 5: one here, so it would all be proportional basically, And
[1:17:03] Speaker 5: this is what arguably are intent to maybe formulating.
[1:17:07] Speaker 1: Yes, there's so many directions that we could possibly go
[1:17:11] Speaker 1: before I do brandon anything to add.
[1:17:15] Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, so this is what it's been for
[1:17:16] Speaker 6: eight days, and it's been outstanding. This plus just all
[1:17:19] Speaker 6: sorts of amazing stuff and there's all sorts of things
[1:17:21] Speaker 6: coming out soon for y'all to look forward to with
[1:17:23] Speaker 6: him beeting here as well. And yeah, so this idea
[1:17:26] Speaker 6: is one that I'd personally been vacillating on before he
[1:17:31] Speaker 6: had even gotten here, and before we you never know
[1:17:33] Speaker 6: what this like, what are we going to talk about
[1:17:34] Speaker 6: anti gravity?
[1:17:35] Speaker 4: You know whatever?
[1:17:35] Speaker 6: But it's really been this topic and really sort of
[1:17:38] Speaker 6: this assimilation of the tribes that we're in now because
[1:17:40] Speaker 6: of the awareness of consciousness, this back to source, this
[1:17:43] Speaker 6: greater understanding, this critical mass is it seems at play
[1:17:48] Speaker 6: here in the models that we've been messing with, because
[1:17:50] Speaker 6: this idea goes is that yes, this is a simulation
[1:17:53] Speaker 6: of sorts my best interpretation, and I'm only just going
[1:17:56] Speaker 6: to tell you what I feel about. This is what
[1:17:58] Speaker 6: I've been looking at for a year and all that shit.
[1:18:00] Speaker 6: It's just like it is a simulation, but it's your
[1:18:03] Speaker 6: choice to be here. You are fractled into a bunch
[1:18:05] Speaker 6: of little pieces. This is a ride for you to
[1:18:08] Speaker 6: get to a critical mass, to figure out that it's
[1:18:10] Speaker 6: a ride, and to see that it's just a game,
[1:18:12] Speaker 6: and to also realize that you're in a dome. And
[1:18:14] Speaker 6: once you realize that, it breaks open and then the
[1:18:16] Speaker 6: full technique, color of this actual of the actual reality,
[1:18:20] Speaker 6: and awareness and understanding and everything comes into this. Now
[1:18:23] Speaker 6: this ties into the arconsole trap as far as not
[1:18:26] Speaker 6: going towards the light when you die. This also comes
[1:18:29] Speaker 6: to just even having conversations like this are the fuel
[1:18:33] Speaker 6: for this awareness.
[1:18:34] Speaker 2: So that's key to this.
[1:18:35] Speaker 6: If anyone's curious about how to be actionable in this,
[1:18:38] Speaker 6: have conversations like this, think about this stuff, expand your
[1:18:42] Speaker 6: awareness of what's possible. And David I definitely and with
[1:18:46] Speaker 6: Chris as well, are absolutely going to do that here today.
[1:18:48] Speaker 6: So one of the big things that's with this was
[1:18:51] Speaker 6: this idea for me with the Vitruvian man. I started
[1:18:55] Speaker 6: looking at that thing and thinking about it, and I
[1:18:58] Speaker 6: was thinking about like the simulation, and I'm always you know,
[1:19:00] Speaker 6: you know how we do, man, It's always up there
[1:19:02] Speaker 6: and it's always running around and we're always enjoying it.
[1:19:04] Speaker 6: And it got to a point where I was sitting
[1:19:06] Speaker 6: there thinking about the mechanisms of the simulation. And when
[1:19:09] Speaker 6: you know, board or bone rather Nick Bostrom talks about
[1:19:13] Speaker 6: this stuff, they always bring up the fact that it
[1:19:15] Speaker 6: would take a planet sized computer to run what we
[1:19:18] Speaker 6: think a simulation would fool us in, right, But again
[1:19:22] Speaker 6: this is based on our perspective. I've reminded back to
[1:19:25] Speaker 6: like Nuts and boltscraft whenever they're talking about these ninety
[1:19:28] Speaker 6: degree right hand turns that UFOs take and they're like, well,
[1:19:30] Speaker 6: we couldn't do that, and it's like, well okay, And
[1:19:33] Speaker 6: then they're like, well, why would they come.
[1:19:34] Speaker 2: Here from a far off place?
[1:19:35] Speaker 6: Like that would take too much time, it'd be too hard,
[1:19:37] Speaker 6: And the answer is, obviously it's not hard for them.
[1:19:39] Speaker 6: Like step out of your own idea of what's real
[1:19:42] Speaker 6: and possible and maybe there are there answers there that
[1:19:45] Speaker 6: would you know, shine some light onto the mechanisms here.
[1:19:47] Speaker 4: So there's a difference between technology and science, yeah, man, and.
[1:19:51] Speaker 2: Understanding and awareness and danger and threat.
[1:19:53] Speaker 6: They were like all these like sub understandings with things
[1:19:56] Speaker 6: that are just fascinating and they're in the semantics, which
[1:19:58] Speaker 6: again are so important to open up. So again back
[1:20:00] Speaker 6: to this idea of the simulation. I was sitting here thinking, well,
[1:20:03] Speaker 6: perhaps like if you wanted to render an entire environment,
[1:20:05] Speaker 6: and from our perspective, yes, it would look that way.
[1:20:07] Speaker 6: But what if it wasn't necessary. What if all you
[1:20:10] Speaker 6: needed to do Just like in Rick and Morty when
[1:20:14] Speaker 6: he plays a game Roy, remember that he puts on
[1:20:16] Speaker 6: the helmet. He thinks he's this dude for like forty
[1:20:18] Speaker 6: years and gets cancer and goes back to the carpet store.
[1:20:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, and he like wakes up, He's like, where's my wife,
[1:20:22] Speaker 2: where's my family?
[1:20:23] Speaker 6: Because psychedelic experiences and your death experiences sometimes people have this.
[1:20:27] Speaker 6: So what I was thinking about with this is all
[1:20:28] Speaker 6: you really need to do is create some sort of mechanism, algorithm,
[1:20:33] Speaker 6: whatever framework, quantum foam, anything like that to apprehend one
[1:20:38] Speaker 6: hundred percent of the perspective of the occupant.
[1:20:40] Speaker 2: That's all you need to do.
[1:20:41] Speaker 6: And then I was thinking to that Vitruvian man thing,
[1:20:43] Speaker 6: and this kind of terrifies me. To be honest, if
[1:20:45] Speaker 6: I'm being super honest with a little claustrophobic, is that
[1:20:48] Speaker 6: maybe your reality ends right at the tips of your fingers,
[1:20:51] Speaker 6: as far as you can spread in any direction, and
[1:20:54] Speaker 6: that that's where your reality ends. Because then if this
[1:20:56] Speaker 6: is just an apprehension of perception, you could stand at
[1:20:58] Speaker 6: the edge of what you're thinking is the Grand Canyon
[1:21:01] Speaker 6: and be so immersed in the fact that you perceive vastness.
[1:21:05] Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be fast, you just perceive it
[1:21:08] Speaker 2: that way.
[1:21:08] Speaker 5: It gives credence to what's something called Bomian decoherence. So basically,
[1:21:13] Speaker 5: this idea that you are rendering with your environment. But
[1:21:16] Speaker 5: when I say the word rendering, great care pay But
[1:21:18] Speaker 5: this idea that there's an organic.
[1:21:20] Speaker 4: Sort of ebb and flow with your local environment.
[1:21:22] Speaker 5: You begin to walk into a particular area or something
[1:21:24] Speaker 5: like that, and what ends up happening is that environment
[1:21:27] Speaker 5: makes subtle adjustments because it must correspond to what you
[1:21:30] Speaker 5: intend and want. Although if you are consciously not aware
[1:21:34] Speaker 5: that that is the case, it becomes quite easy to
[1:21:36] Speaker 5: realize that to.
[1:21:38] Speaker 4: Then start throwing around the word trap and what have you. Right, So,
[1:21:41] Speaker 4: and that's.
[1:21:41] Speaker 6: Where like I wanted to really step into thank you
[1:21:44] Speaker 6: for saying that. I wanted to really step into it
[1:21:46] Speaker 6: and say that I don't feel that this is a trap, right,
[1:21:49] Speaker 6: It's a an experience, it's a ride, and that's that's
[1:21:52] Speaker 6: really how I'll put this. And so I jokingly say
[1:21:55] Speaker 6: the claustrophobic thing, but what I mean to say is
[1:21:57] Speaker 6: that it's so good that it can apprehend yourself in
[1:22:00] Speaker 6: every direction. Right, and then we get back to those
[1:22:03] Speaker 6: you know, brains and a bad idea, all of those
[1:22:05] Speaker 6: kind of things. But what I will say to this
[1:22:06] Speaker 6: is then you would say that even the apprehension of
[1:22:10] Speaker 6: your perspective, and then we start talking about the simulation,
[1:22:12] Speaker 6: and then we start talking about this critical mass, and
[1:22:14] Speaker 6: then you apply this to spiritual things because then you know,
[1:22:17] Speaker 6: we have many lenses, and thank god we do the
[1:22:19] Speaker 6: shows we do to where it's not.
[1:22:20] Speaker 2: Just this is what aliens are.
[1:22:21] Speaker 6: Like, we really dive into many, many things and look
[1:22:23] Speaker 6: at this with many lenses. And so through those lenses
[1:22:26] Speaker 6: we're able to see the teachings of Dolores Canon talking
[1:22:28] Speaker 6: about a split perhaps, and in the law of one
[1:22:30] Speaker 6: talking about this split perhaps, and then perhaps there's this
[1:22:33] Speaker 6: critical mass of consciousness that's here that would then render
[1:22:37] Speaker 6: the simulation.
[1:22:39] Speaker 4: That's what I was just going to bring up.
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: Is this this critical mass? Is this unseen force that's
[1:22:46] Speaker 1: that holds everything together? Is this what we could consider
[1:22:48] Speaker 1: pure consciousness?
[1:22:51] Speaker 5: In my opinion, there's a fantastic paper written about twenty
[1:22:54] Speaker 5: years ago approximately by doctor Robert Baker Bob Baker, and
[1:23:01] Speaker 5: the paper is called Our Mind looks at Us and
[1:23:04] Speaker 5: I find it very interesting because it speaks to this
[1:23:06] Speaker 5: idea of what's called brain theory, but not b r
[1:23:09] Speaker 5: AI N b r A N E. This idea that,
[1:23:12] Speaker 5: for example, if I may draw it out very quickly,
[1:23:16] Speaker 5: it's this idea of doing basically to Einstein what Einstein
[1:23:20] Speaker 5: did to Newton, which is what I meant earlier about
[1:23:22] Speaker 5: the difference between science and technology. It's not perhaps that
[1:23:24] Speaker 5: these beings, some of them, sure, but are far more
[1:23:27] Speaker 5: ahead of us technologically.
[1:23:28] Speaker 4: That's a different thing.
[1:23:29] Speaker 5: The question is is there more more fundamental understanding to
[1:23:32] Speaker 5: the universe that we, at least publicly have not yet discerned,
[1:23:35] Speaker 5: understood or tap et cetera, which would give credence to
[1:23:38] Speaker 5: this idea that for a moment, we may be existing.
[1:23:42] Speaker 5: If I may on, for example, some type of I
[1:23:49] Speaker 5: will draw this out here like this, some type of
[1:23:53] Speaker 5: reality where this would be there would be an unlimited
[1:23:57] Speaker 5: amount of levels, if you want to call it, and
[1:23:59] Speaker 5: we would be existing thing on one of them, which
[1:24:01] Speaker 5: would give credence to this idea of again the multiverse,
[1:24:04] Speaker 5: parallel realities. It would open up all of that. I
[1:24:07] Speaker 5: find it very interesting that when you look, for example,
[1:24:10] Speaker 5: at the way in which if we were to say
[1:24:13] Speaker 5: we are existing within let's just say reality number one
[1:24:17] Speaker 5: at the very top here, by living in the present,
[1:24:21] Speaker 5: you are generating both the future and the past. And
[1:24:24] Speaker 5: so what's happening here is say this is the future
[1:24:26] Speaker 5: and that's the past. By living in the moment, you
[1:24:29] Speaker 5: are dictating a full on again say this carefully rendering
[1:24:34] Speaker 5: of your experience that is constant. That is, for example,
[1:24:37] Speaker 5: that would give credence to what we discuss about, like
[1:24:39] Speaker 5: with the Mandela effect. Let's say, now, for example, don't
[1:24:42] Speaker 5: get me wrong, I'm certain that there are I'm fairly
[1:24:46] Speaker 5: certain there are external elements at play there, but external
[1:24:49] Speaker 5: elements that harness our internal ones. We just don't realize
[1:24:52] Speaker 5: that we're internally utilizing such so therefore that would give
[1:24:55] Speaker 5: credence to the rise, like for example, the Mandela effect
[1:24:58] Speaker 5: as a mass conscient and not necessarily everybody, but you
[1:25:02] Speaker 5: know a number of people and even individuals that are
[1:25:04] Speaker 5: strong enough to be aware of this and do this
[1:25:06] Speaker 5: on their own as I'm sure, I'm sure sure there
[1:25:08] Speaker 5: are packets or patches of people around the planet that
[1:25:10] Speaker 5: have done so. They realize this particular case, that there
[1:25:14] Speaker 5: are multiple or an infinite amount of realities if we
[1:25:16] Speaker 5: want to call it. But by living in the present,
[1:25:18] Speaker 5: you generate both the future and the past, and then
[1:25:20] Speaker 5: what comes from there essentially is that both the past
[1:25:25] Speaker 5: is then re rendered relative to your present time, and
[1:25:30] Speaker 5: so is the future. If you catch my drift, and
[1:25:33] Speaker 5: now you can say, well, would this be akin to say,
[1:25:35] Speaker 5: you know, frames on a movie, film film or frame
[1:25:38] Speaker 5: dragging or whatever you want to call it, And I
[1:25:40] Speaker 5: would say, yeah.
[1:25:42] Speaker 2: Interesting, So go ahead burn no, no, please, please, no.
[1:25:47] Speaker 1: I was just gonna get your thoughts on the possibilities
[1:25:52] Speaker 1: that this consciousness energy, whatever this is that we're dealing with,
[1:25:57] Speaker 1: this unseen force, can manifest itself physically, say as an entity,
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: say as a cryptid creature, as a bigfoot. Can this
[1:26:08] Speaker 1: pure consciousness manifest into our reality as a physicality.
[1:26:12] Speaker 5: If I well, if we go back very quickly, first off,
[1:26:16] Speaker 5: I would say yes, and I'll explain why I'm making
[1:26:19] Speaker 5: this very brief here so as to not get all
[1:26:22] Speaker 5: you know, scientific and all that. But people talk about
[1:26:25] Speaker 5: quite often being able to see things in the dark
[1:26:27] Speaker 5: much better with the corner of their eyes rather than
[1:26:29] Speaker 5: looking at directly at it. Many people have claimed they've
[1:26:32] Speaker 5: seen spirits with the corner of their eyes, and bigfoot
[1:26:35] Speaker 5: and what have you. And I think that what we're
[1:26:37] Speaker 5: seeing in those particular regards. That's not to say people
[1:26:39] Speaker 5: haven't seen them directly straight up. But it's interesting to
[1:26:42] Speaker 5: note that photons, as we know it publicly, are the
[1:26:45] Speaker 5: only particles in which we can observe one hundred percent
[1:26:47] Speaker 5: of the spectrum of And it's almost as if there's
[1:26:50] Speaker 5: this idea of again some type of we could say,
[1:26:55] Speaker 5: learning mechanism for us to then break out of in
[1:26:57] Speaker 5: that sense with regards to the weak feel equivalents principle,
[1:27:01] Speaker 5: as we discussed earlier, where photons when they start to
[1:27:03] Speaker 5: bend you start to see things outside of this particular spectrum. Now,
[1:27:07] Speaker 5: it's interesting that if you think with the corner of
[1:27:09] Speaker 5: your eye and you start to see, sorry, you start
[1:27:11] Speaker 5: to see things with the corner of your eye, and
[1:27:13] Speaker 5: you start to think, well, that's just nonsense, or what
[1:27:15] Speaker 5: have you. It's very possible that what is being observed
[1:27:18] Speaker 5: there is something outside or at the very limits of
[1:27:20] Speaker 5: the boundaries of the confinement of the predesignated energetic paradigm.
[1:27:24] Speaker 5: We may be within and I say that because that
[1:27:26] Speaker 5: gives direct credence to what's called angular momentum in quantum
[1:27:30] Speaker 5: field theory, which speaks directly to basically, vortex is instead
[1:27:34] Speaker 5: of straight lines. So this idea that a fractal like
[1:27:37] Speaker 5: vortex may have. We may be within one layer, but
[1:27:40] Speaker 5: there are just like an onion, there are many internal
[1:27:42] Speaker 5: layers and many external layers as well. So that may
[1:27:45] Speaker 5: be it's very similar to doing scientifically to Einstein's general
[1:27:50] Speaker 5: relativity what Einstein did to Newton, in the sense of basically,
[1:27:54] Speaker 5: I mean, arguably people said that it was more like
[1:27:56] Speaker 5: Einstein did it was more like Maxwell completed it.
[1:27:59] Speaker 4: But any that's a different debate.
[1:28:01] Speaker 5: But the idea that it's not that there's missing, that
[1:28:04] Speaker 5: there's technology we don't understand, but rather fundamental science that
[1:28:07] Speaker 5: is missing that, once implemented into general relativity, completes the
[1:28:12] Speaker 5: whole entire aspect of a.
[1:28:14] Speaker 4: Unified field theory or understanding everything.
[1:28:16] Speaker 5: So there's been this strong proposal that there is perhaps
[1:28:19] Speaker 5: a missing key that general relativity special relativity, it would
[1:28:22] Speaker 5: be let's put that aside for a moment. But general
[1:28:24] Speaker 5: relativity is not wrong, it's just that there would be
[1:28:27] Speaker 5: something missing in it. Special relativity was an attempt to
[1:28:30] Speaker 5: try and formulate an inertial frame or an inertial viewpoint
[1:28:35] Speaker 5: for every individual, which is not the case, which is
[1:28:37] Speaker 5: then what gave.
[1:28:38] Speaker 4: Rise to what's called stochastic electrodynamics.
[1:28:40] Speaker 5: Because there is no one pillar in which one everyone goes, oh,
[1:28:44] Speaker 5: I agree with you on that. In terms of viewing something,
[1:28:47] Speaker 5: you are the pillar by definition, So special relativity would
[1:28:50] Speaker 5: be thrown out the window, and this new variable that
[1:28:53] Speaker 5: would then complete general relativity, would give credence to everything
[1:28:56] Speaker 5: that we'd be discussing here.
[1:28:58] Speaker 1: Man, it seems like this universal consciousness is actually communicating
[1:29:05] Speaker 1: with folks like yourself, Dave, Folks like yourself, Brandon, Folks
[1:29:09] Speaker 1: like myself, people who are breaking these codes, cracking things
[1:29:14] Speaker 1: like anti gravity. It's like this consciousness wants us to
[1:29:18] Speaker 1: have a better understanding of what's going on so that
[1:29:21] Speaker 1: we can free ourselves out of a certain construct are
[1:29:26] Speaker 1: constructed aspect of this matrix.
[1:29:29] Speaker 6: Right, I'd say, so I think of it like an
[1:29:31] Speaker 6: alarm clock. Like think of the awakening as like an
[1:29:33] Speaker 6: alarm clock. Let's say that you did choose to be here,
[1:29:36] Speaker 6: and then it's not a trap because I choose a
[1:29:37] Speaker 6: bounce optimness in that way, and so therefore that's what
[1:29:40] Speaker 6: it is for me. And let's say that this is
[1:29:41] Speaker 6: an experience where you fractal lies. Now, it doesn't also
[1:29:44] Speaker 6: mean that there aren't something referred to as n PC's
[1:29:46] Speaker 6: or non playable characters, because that would be necessary for
[1:29:49] Speaker 6: an experience like let's say it's still maybe all you
[1:29:52] Speaker 6: or maybe your everything anyway, but it's let's separate it
[1:29:55] Speaker 6: out just for the for the thought of it, to
[1:29:57] Speaker 6: keep it kind of straight. And let's say that it's
[1:29:59] Speaker 6: part of the game. Let's say that you buy a
[1:30:01] Speaker 6: video game and some other dimension and that this is it,
[1:30:03] Speaker 6: or you take a bong rip and this is it,
[1:30:05] Speaker 6: and basically you go into this world where there's fractualized
[1:30:09] Speaker 6: versions of you, and perhaps you split yourself into I
[1:30:11] Speaker 6: don't know, one hundred and forty four thousand different versions
[1:30:15] Speaker 6: of you, and anything else out here is just in
[1:30:17] Speaker 6: PCs or just employees of the situation.
[1:30:20] Speaker 2: They're parts of the game.
[1:30:21] Speaker 6: They're here to lead you on side quests and to
[1:30:23] Speaker 6: get you caught up, but also to get you freed.
[1:30:25] Speaker 6: And then maybe this one hundred and forty four thousand things,
[1:30:27] Speaker 6: whatever that is, if that's even a thing, then that's us,
[1:30:30] Speaker 6: whatever us is assimilating back into the unity and at
[1:30:33] Speaker 6: least making contact and speaking with each other.
[1:30:35] Speaker 2: Like maybe that's it.
[1:30:36] Speaker 6: It's just sort of a tag, you're it, and we
[1:30:38] Speaker 6: all make sort of this cognitive contact with one another.
[1:30:41] Speaker 6: Now the other thing too, this is whenever you start
[1:30:43] Speaker 6: to think about this in the sense of it being
[1:30:45] Speaker 6: sort of this isolated environment again, I think of perhaps
[1:30:49] Speaker 6: an awakening would be just that. I mean, maybe it's
[1:30:51] Speaker 6: phrase as such, the game is over, or you've been
[1:30:54] Speaker 6: asleep for too long, or the bong hits wearing off,
[1:30:56] Speaker 6: or your alarm clock's going off in the other dimension,
[1:30:58] Speaker 6: whatever you want to say. Fractalized versions of you now
[1:31:01] Speaker 6: are being incentivized to speed up the game, to go
[1:31:05] Speaker 6: ahead and reassemble if you haven't figured it out by now.
[1:31:07] Speaker 6: It's sort of like an escape room if anybody's ever
[1:31:09] Speaker 6: done one of those.
[1:31:10] Speaker 2: I really see it as like play, like really playful.
[1:31:13] Speaker 6: Same thing as from a couple of reports of people
[1:31:15] Speaker 6: in the Ease that come back and they say, holy shit, dude,
[1:31:17] Speaker 6: it's so simple.
[1:31:18] Speaker 2: It's so easy.
[1:31:19] Speaker 6: It's just a fucking game. Like I get it, I
[1:31:21] Speaker 6: see it all. It's all for show, and like these
[1:31:23] Speaker 6: awarenesses where they get they just see it. They're just like,
[1:31:26] Speaker 6: oh my god, people are taking this seriously, are you
[1:31:28] Speaker 6: kidding me? It's this interesting thing. And then especially folks
[1:31:31] Speaker 6: who have actually died. There are people that I've talked
[1:31:33] Speaker 6: to that have sat with their family members that were
[1:31:36] Speaker 6: passing over and they said that all of a sudden,
[1:31:38] Speaker 6: their vision changed, and they said that they looked around
[1:31:41] Speaker 6: with this surprised look on their face and they just
[1:31:43] Speaker 6: start laughing. And this is like second as they're taking
[1:31:45] Speaker 6: their last breath, this is what they're seeing, and they
[1:31:48] Speaker 6: just start laughing.
[1:31:48] Speaker 2: They go, oh my god, it's so simple. It's so simple.
[1:31:51] Speaker 2: There are multiple accounts.
[1:31:52] Speaker 6: Where people have referred to this at their last moments,
[1:31:55] Speaker 6: like they can see something.
[1:31:56] Speaker 2: Now, if you don't mind, can you allow me to
[1:31:59] Speaker 2: share this? You just got quickure on Okay.
[1:32:02] Speaker 6: So one of the things that we were talking about
[1:32:04] Speaker 6: here was this idea of a fractalized or what the
[1:32:06] Speaker 6: environment may look like now maybe And I've worked a
[1:32:09] Speaker 6: lot of simulation arguments and talks, and we went through
[1:32:11] Speaker 6: a lot of sci fi things, which I'll show you
[1:32:13] Speaker 6: the notepad of here.
[1:32:14] Speaker 2: It's incredible.
[1:32:15] Speaker 6: But one of the things I kind of wanted to
[1:32:17] Speaker 6: point out here was this idea that the ancients knew
[1:32:20] Speaker 6: for a long time. One of the models that we
[1:32:23] Speaker 6: came to is actually this exact Norse model. It's basically
[1:32:26] Speaker 6: that we're on a table. There's a box with wires
[1:32:28] Speaker 6: cut into it with a all of our fractalized versions
[1:32:32] Speaker 6: basically connected with a chord.
[1:32:34] Speaker 2: Now, what do you hear in mediumship? This cord? This string?
[1:32:38] Speaker 6: You hear about this golden thread or this cable that's
[1:32:41] Speaker 6: connecting us to something. Perhaps it's like a main frame
[1:32:44] Speaker 6: of sorts. Again, you don't need to get cold with
[1:32:46] Speaker 6: the mechanics of it. It could be an organic simulation again,
[1:32:48] Speaker 6: sort of a thing, don't limit it by what humans
[1:32:51] Speaker 6: tell you as possible. Okay, so then you fixture this
[1:32:53] Speaker 6: thing on like a table, and that maybe your physical
[1:32:55] Speaker 6: body is laying out here somewhere. Maybe the Egyptians had
[1:32:58] Speaker 6: it more right, Maybe this is your physic body in
[1:33:00] Speaker 6: another dimension.
[1:33:01] Speaker 5: That tree, by the way underneath in the Norse one
[1:33:03] Speaker 5: there also describes the the Lorenz vector gage.
[1:33:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a lot of math in this as well.
[1:33:08] Speaker 6: We figured out a lot of like diagrams for electric
[1:33:11] Speaker 6: originary you're asimuth perspective.
[1:33:13] Speaker 4: You have a lot of these different yeah, yeah.
[1:33:15] Speaker 2: Crazy awesome shit.
[1:33:16] Speaker 6: And then you also have again these ideals again the
[1:33:19] Speaker 6: or bores, which we see quite a bit, this Hindu
[1:33:21] Speaker 6: representation of an on.
[1:33:22] Speaker 2: The back and these stacked things.
[1:33:24] Speaker 6: And if you, let's say you were an ancient person,
[1:33:26] Speaker 6: you were taken out in a ufo perhaps, and it's
[1:33:29] Speaker 6: one of these entities that maybe on the outside of
[1:33:31] Speaker 6: this thing that can come in here rab a little
[1:33:33] Speaker 6: piece of your consciousness and zoom you back out, because
[1:33:36] Speaker 6: that's part of the game. Maybe part of the game
[1:33:37] Speaker 6: is to be able to zoom you out here, to
[1:33:39] Speaker 6: give you a perspective of it and then drop you
[1:33:41] Speaker 6: back off. And then this seemed to happen to the
[1:33:43] Speaker 6: Inca of the Navajo, the Hebrew Nasa.
[1:33:46] Speaker 2: I love the oh. I just saw that, Okay, I
[1:33:51] Speaker 2: just saw that.
[1:33:51] Speaker 4: It's wonderful.
[1:33:52] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:33:52] Speaker 6: And then the Mayaan, the Hindu Norse again, and then
[1:33:55] Speaker 6: the Egyptian and it's just really interesting that they weren't
[1:33:58] Speaker 6: connected at all.
[1:33:59] Speaker 2: But you don't have to be.
[1:34:00] Speaker 6: You're thinking the hundredth monkey effect now that if you
[1:34:02] Speaker 6: were shown something at a deep, deep, deep level, and
[1:34:04] Speaker 6: the Shamans are shown things.
[1:34:05] Speaker 5: Well, then that's what is the What is the hundredth
[1:34:08] Speaker 5: monkey effect that we currently don't right.
[1:34:10] Speaker 6: I mean, maybe it's our higher selves again getting these
[1:34:12] Speaker 6: downloads or codes from again the game, which again is
[1:34:14] Speaker 6: just your higher selves. Like all of these things tie
[1:34:16] Speaker 6: in now to this idea of higher selves, spirituality, all
[1:34:20] Speaker 6: of it ties in together.
[1:34:22] Speaker 1: That's why I have to lean towards that this is
[1:34:25] Speaker 1: for us, and it's not some arconic overlay where there
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: are some kind of demonic entities siphoning our energy like
[1:34:32] Speaker 1: batteries and bring these little pods with goo that have
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: these tubes stuck into our brain projecting this reality. I'd
[1:34:39] Speaker 1: like to think that maybe this is for us, that
[1:34:41] Speaker 1: either we created it for ourselves, or it's an experience
[1:34:45] Speaker 1: that is built into our reality to have our spiritual
[1:34:49] Speaker 1: advancement and evolution, or maybe we throw some of these,
[1:34:54] Speaker 1: you know, it's an experience for us, and we throw
[1:34:57] Speaker 1: ourselves maybe mystical, paranormal or spiritual experiences like pressing a
[1:35:03] Speaker 1: cheat code in a video game to help us progress
[1:35:06] Speaker 1: a little bit faster. I don't know what do you
[1:35:08] Speaker 1: guys think.
[1:35:10] Speaker 5: I think it's it's equivalent with respects to like to
[1:35:13] Speaker 5: your point, like a one in zero scenario, I think
[1:35:16] Speaker 5: you have, for example, the.
[1:35:18] Speaker 4: Potential for that to be the case.
[1:35:20] Speaker 5: You also, and this speaks to existing within the present
[1:35:23] Speaker 5: time and living in the present instead of for example,
[1:35:26] Speaker 5: it's much easier said than done, but harping on something
[1:35:28] Speaker 5: that would be, you know, something in the past which
[1:35:30] Speaker 5: would be giving rise or manifestation to depression, and then
[1:35:34] Speaker 5: of course thinking about something in the future that has
[1:35:36] Speaker 5: not yet happened or may not happen at all, gives
[1:35:38] Speaker 5: credence to the concept of you know, anxiety and what
[1:35:40] Speaker 5: have you with respects to anticipation, and so by living
[1:35:43] Speaker 5: in the present, you then begin to dictate and realize
[1:35:46] Speaker 5: more of what perhaps may be around you, and those
[1:35:48] Speaker 5: terms begin to then we could say, subside to more
[1:35:52] Speaker 5: of a realization that is indescribable in a verbal sense.
[1:35:55] Speaker 5: And I think that that speaks to again this idea
[1:35:57] Speaker 5: of are there. In my view, there are negative elements
[1:36:01] Speaker 5: that we're here, still here and all that, sure, But
[1:36:03] Speaker 5: I think that that's just looking at one half of
[1:36:05] Speaker 5: the glass. I think you also have to look, for example,
[1:36:08] Speaker 5: at the other half as well, which speaks to the
[1:36:10] Speaker 5: the more people realize by definition that there's a there's
[1:36:13] Speaker 5: a very strong positive element to all of this, as
[1:36:16] Speaker 5: we've been discussing, just by realizing and having those conversations,
[1:36:20] Speaker 5: by definition, weaken the energies, whether material or immaterial, of
[1:36:25] Speaker 5: of the more negative, potentially negative aspect of things. The
[1:36:29] Speaker 5: same way that for example, one can have a can
[1:36:32] Speaker 5: either you know, have an animal and take care of
[1:36:34] Speaker 5: it beautifully, or one can.
[1:36:35] Speaker 4: Have an animal and then end up eating it.
[1:36:37] Speaker 5: It's truly it's a dual use type of scenario, right,
[1:36:40] Speaker 5: So that that's just my take.
[1:36:41] Speaker 4: That's that, But you know, I could be wrong myself.
[1:36:43] Speaker 6: Third scenario because there's always more potentiality should take care
[1:36:46] Speaker 6: of that animal like crazy, and you love it like
[1:36:48] Speaker 6: crazy and then.
[1:36:49] Speaker 4: You eat it and then you're right. Yeah, I like the.
[1:36:51] Speaker 6: Kobe beef or Wagoo, they like masageum and everything like that.
[1:36:54] Speaker 2: They live the best lives. They die like super peaceful. Yes, yeah,
[1:36:57] Speaker 2: they get them high or something like that before.
[1:36:59] Speaker 6: So I was gonna say too to this is there's
[1:37:02] Speaker 6: a part of this like consciousness thing. And one of
[1:37:05] Speaker 6: the conversations we've been having about is about sort of
[1:37:08] Speaker 6: this split or this pull shift or this separation. You know,
[1:37:11] Speaker 6: it's referred to in the Bible, probably for that reading
[1:37:13] Speaker 6: level it as revelation right at the apocalypse, where there's
[1:37:16] Speaker 6: this great like you'll.
[1:37:17] Speaker 2: Go here because you're good, and you'll go here because.
[1:37:19] Speaker 6: You're by it and that's why Jesus say it. So
[1:37:22] Speaker 6: that's sort of that mentality. But one way that I've
[1:37:24] Speaker 6: been interpreting that lately more toward the again the Dolores
[1:37:27] Speaker 6: canon idea of people familiar with this three D five
[1:37:30] Speaker 6: D split. There's so many analogies to this. It's so fractal,
[1:37:34] Speaker 6: it's everywhere. So one of the things I've been thinking of,
[1:37:37] Speaker 6: because Dave's drawn pictures I'm gonna draw to. Okay, is
[1:37:39] Speaker 6: sort of this idea of this plane. Now, this is
[1:37:42] Speaker 6: what the Law of One apparently talks about as well.
[1:37:44] Speaker 6: I was talking about this the other night on a
[1:37:45] Speaker 6: show and Pat Mahn said, that's what this is.
[1:37:47] Speaker 2: So I need to read that book.
[1:37:48] Speaker 6: So if you think of like linear energies, okay, like
[1:37:51] Speaker 6: we've been sort of in this other area over here
[1:37:55] Speaker 6: that we've filled to shit, and then we've gotten on
[1:37:58] Speaker 6: this plane of opportunity and this is what we call
[1:38:00] Speaker 6: a choice point. You are here kind of a thing here.
[1:38:03] Speaker 6: Now we've been moving in sort of this linear faction.
[1:38:05] Speaker 6: Now the wake up has occurred, and that's what this
[1:38:07] Speaker 6: you are here is.
[1:38:09] Speaker 4: Now.
[1:38:09] Speaker 6: Perhaps what all of this is then, is that those
[1:38:11] Speaker 6: that are choosing to do so are going to take
[1:38:14] Speaker 6: the positive route up to expand consciousness, to fill us
[1:38:17] Speaker 6: to the most that we can in this new void perspective.
[1:38:21] Speaker 6: In the same sense, those with fear, those who are
[1:38:23] Speaker 6: all about the technocratic society, those who are very willing
[1:38:27] Speaker 6: to give over their free choice here are going to
[1:38:29] Speaker 6: be along for the ride to go down to expand
[1:38:32] Speaker 6: the most possible energies. As far as the negative poll goes,
[1:38:36] Speaker 6: Now it's just about what you're attracted to in this life.
[1:38:39] Speaker 6: All of us sitting here just happen to be attracted
[1:38:41] Speaker 6: to not you know, stabbing puppies in the face. So
[1:38:45] Speaker 6: because of that, we're I believe, on this direction here. Now,
[1:38:48] Speaker 6: this split is probably going to be more of a
[1:38:50] Speaker 6: physical one where there's literally going to be I don't
[1:38:53] Speaker 6: know what this proceives. We've talked about this quite a bit,
[1:38:55] Speaker 6: that this is basically where the simulation kicks into chapter
[1:38:58] Speaker 6: two or the next game, to where these people are
[1:39:01] Speaker 6: really going to experience the shit out of what they
[1:39:02] Speaker 6: chose to experience at this choice point. We find ourselves
[1:39:05] Speaker 6: in same to this though, if you've been finding yourself
[1:39:08] Speaker 6: on an avenue of service, authenticity, elation, you've been just
[1:39:11] Speaker 6: leveling up like crazy, well then.
[1:39:13] Speaker 2: Cam Ow, we are spiraling up that mountain together.
[1:39:16] Speaker 6: Also, if you still find yourself in fear actually, if
[1:39:19] Speaker 6: you're listening to this or not on that at all.
[1:39:21] Speaker 6: So yeah, how you know is if you're listening to this.
[1:39:24] Speaker 6: So it's an interesting thing to sort of visualize these
[1:39:26] Speaker 6: things this way to expand and what happens when that
[1:39:29] Speaker 6: In that visualization, you can sort of look at that
[1:39:31] Speaker 6: as what a tower of Babel, Right, this is the
[1:39:33] Speaker 6: idea of reaching up and expanding out to get to
[1:39:36] Speaker 6: the heavens to break out. Now again, I'm not sure
[1:39:39] Speaker 6: if this is sort of a physical breakout, you know,
[1:39:42] Speaker 6: but I do see you know, Operation Height, fish Bowl
[1:39:46] Speaker 6: and stuff where they were launching nukes at something and
[1:39:48] Speaker 6: that didn't seem to do it.
[1:39:50] Speaker 2: So maybe it's love or something else.
[1:39:51] Speaker 5: You know.
[1:39:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me think of how many ways there
[1:39:55] Speaker 1: are to manipulate and manifest things into our reality. Look
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: at things like magic and rituals and o'c caull practices.
[1:40:04] Speaker 1: There are so many different ways that they're singing, dancing,
[1:40:08] Speaker 1: chance spells, sigils, all these different ways of manipulating energy
[1:40:14] Speaker 1: to affect a physical, possible physical outcome into our reality.
[1:40:20] Speaker 1: There would be probably infinite ways of achieving any type
[1:40:25] Speaker 1: of I guess you could say goal or physical physical
[1:40:30] Speaker 1: goal for this reality.
[1:40:31] Speaker 4: Right.
[1:40:32] Speaker 5: If I could say to that point, I think there's
[1:40:35] Speaker 5: there would be a finite amount within this reality. But
[1:40:39] Speaker 5: then as there would be another layer outside of this one,
[1:40:41] Speaker 5: in a hypothetical or speculative sense, you'd have an expansion
[1:40:44] Speaker 5: from this one in terms of say, for example, we
[1:40:47] Speaker 5: have x amount of periodic you know, elements on the
[1:40:50] Speaker 5: periodic table.
[1:40:51] Speaker 4: In this reality.
[1:40:52] Speaker 5: There may be another layer, if you will, but that
[1:40:54] Speaker 5: is not only comprised of energies that would be assembled
[1:40:59] Speaker 5: from the elements we do know, but also have elements
[1:41:02] Speaker 5: that we don't know as well. So I think there
[1:41:04] Speaker 5: would be an infinite amount of, say on a grand scale,
[1:41:07] Speaker 5: outside of this reality. The experience is infinite and limitless,
[1:41:11] Speaker 5: which speaks to philosophically the joy being in the journey.
[1:41:13] Speaker 5: And I think that in this reality, because of the
[1:41:17] Speaker 5: the we could say densification of matter to a particular regard,
[1:41:21] Speaker 5: there are certainly many ways. There's not just one way,
[1:41:24] Speaker 5: but there are many ways to tap this ability to
[1:41:27] Speaker 5: manipulate say this particular reality or the metric of this
[1:41:30] Speaker 5: reality and all of that. It is of my very
[1:41:32] Speaker 5: humble opinion that it is there would just like with
[1:41:36] Speaker 5: everything in terms of circulation, in this reality, there are
[1:41:39] Speaker 5: a finite set of possibilities that could occur. But then
[1:41:45] Speaker 5: there is also outside of this reality, by definition of
[1:41:48] Speaker 5: going through the layers, an infinite set that could occur.
[1:41:52] Speaker 5: So you can take some of that that for lack
[1:41:54] Speaker 5: of a better definition, wildcard variable that is not pre
[1:41:58] Speaker 5: designated to be puted in this reality to then enter
[1:42:01] Speaker 5: this reality in a very we could say non expected
[1:42:07] Speaker 5: form in the sense of say, superpositioning and superdeterminism and
[1:42:12] Speaker 5: all of this in the sense that there are many
[1:42:14] Speaker 5: different routes. Certain in terms of internal paths of choice
[1:42:18] Speaker 5: I believe are infinite. In terms of material, I think
[1:42:21] Speaker 5: the material is a reminiscent, is a residue of the
[1:42:25] Speaker 5: internal infinite state that we then give rise to via
[1:42:29] Speaker 5: our intent, and that material external we could say propagation
[1:42:33] Speaker 5: of particles and energies is finite relative to our belief system,
[1:42:38] Speaker 5: if that makes sense. And so I think what we
[1:42:40] Speaker 5: look at or when we see that there is we're
[1:42:43] Speaker 5: trying to basically understand. Let me give you a practical
[1:42:46] Speaker 5: example when we talk about let's think of, say, for example,
[1:42:51] Speaker 5: you know, things like missiles and bombs and what have you.
[1:42:54] Speaker 4: What we're seeing there is, in my.
[1:42:56] Speaker 5: Opinion, an example of what it's like. I said this
[1:43:00] Speaker 5: brand in the other night. When particles are fighting with
[1:43:02] Speaker 5: each other, it creates a very destructive explosion because there's
[1:43:07] Speaker 5: no space for the understanding of the particles to Then
[1:43:10] Speaker 5: we could say phase lock within or you know, cohesively
[1:43:14] Speaker 5: integrate themselves into. So what we know as an explosion occurs.
[1:43:18] Speaker 5: If there was a proper we could say, I don't
[1:43:22] Speaker 5: want to use the word proper. If there was a
[1:43:24] Speaker 5: grander insight into doing something more benevolent than making weapons,
[1:43:29] Speaker 5: you would get the particles to make love instead of fight,
[1:43:32] Speaker 5: like literally by definition, and this would be this would
[1:43:35] Speaker 5: be what in optics, for example, with respects to say
[1:43:38] Speaker 5: unstable resonators, Faraday rotators, different types of what would be
[1:43:42] Speaker 5: called vector summation thresholds or vector thresholds. This would be
[1:43:46] Speaker 5: called phase locking in particle physics. Whether it's within chemistry
[1:43:49] Speaker 5: or optics or you know, you name it, it would
[1:43:51] Speaker 5: be the same across the board. So in other words,
[1:43:54] Speaker 5: the idea would be that we're trying to get without
[1:43:58] Speaker 5: realizing it, we're trying to get the part particles and
[1:44:00] Speaker 5: energies all around us to make love. But the everyday, say,
[1:44:04] Speaker 5: distractions cause our intent to then manifest more of that
[1:44:08] Speaker 5: class half empty type perspective, which then causes more and
[1:44:11] Speaker 5: more derivation on a grander scale to and dissemination of
[1:44:16] Speaker 5: infighting of particles.
[1:44:17] Speaker 4: And we can argue that we ourselves are a particle and.
[1:44:20] Speaker 5: So that that then gives rise to things, for example,
[1:44:22] Speaker 5: like the Boltzmann brain and all that kind of stuff.
[1:44:25] Speaker 4: And so, yeah.
[1:44:27] Speaker 1: That's so interesting. And I want to go back to
[1:44:29] Speaker 1: what Brandon was saying about how folks are either going
[1:44:32] Speaker 1: through this ascension process, are they're getting sucked even deeper
[1:44:36] Speaker 1: into the material realms and the nonsense that's going on. Well, eventually,
[1:44:42] Speaker 1: won't both of extreme both of the both of those
[1:44:45] Speaker 1: extremes be true. Won't there be people sucked into AI
[1:44:49] Speaker 1: ready player one land and in this the matrix within
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: the matrix, and then they'll have people folks like us
[1:44:55] Speaker 1: homesteading and having our own you know, growing our own food,
[1:44:58] Speaker 1: helping people and their lives and doing the things that
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: we do. Couldn't both be true at the same time. Eventually?
[1:45:04] Speaker 4: Yes, if I could say very quickly, yes, go ahead.
[1:45:08] Speaker 5: I want it similar to the anc or the sort
[1:45:10] Speaker 5: of the the why, if you want to call it,
[1:45:12] Speaker 5: the there's going to be, in my opinion, there's going
[1:45:14] Speaker 5: to be a split. A reality in my opinion, is
[1:45:18] Speaker 5: approaching a threshold of a superposition where you're going to
[1:45:21] Speaker 5: have x amount of individuals that, depending on their uh,
[1:45:24] Speaker 5: you know many different variables of their life, but whether
[1:45:27] Speaker 5: they have internally, in my view, because it's by definition
[1:45:32] Speaker 5: in the science that a lot of it has largely
[1:45:34] Speaker 5: been you know, locked up at least in North America
[1:45:36] Speaker 5: and the West, what we're going to see is a
[1:45:39] Speaker 5: split where, for example, there will be suddenly a new
[1:45:42] Speaker 5: form of energy and realization of both literal, physical and
[1:45:46] Speaker 5: non material concepts over the next tops tops tops fifteen years.
[1:45:52] Speaker 4: In my opinion.
[1:45:53] Speaker 5: And then what you'll have from from there is the
[1:45:55] Speaker 5: people that don't see it by definition of not but
[1:45:58] Speaker 5: not necessarily having to believe it to be opened and
[1:46:01] Speaker 5: to something new. By definition of these individuals not seeing it,
[1:46:04] Speaker 5: it will just simply be another day for them, and
[1:46:06] Speaker 5: there would be no difference in changing their reality. And
[1:46:08] Speaker 5: so what you have then is, depending on where you are,
[1:46:11] Speaker 5: both will be true, but neither simultaneously and respectively.
[1:46:16] Speaker 4: So this is what's called a super quantum potential.
[1:46:19] Speaker 1: Basically, Dave, how far do you think that they can
[1:46:22] Speaker 1: take the modern technological horrors such as AI and the
[1:46:27] Speaker 1: intelligence behind that. Are you concerned with those realms and
[1:46:31] Speaker 1: the people that'll be deeply involved in.
[1:46:33] Speaker 5: That, If an honest, honest, honest perspective from what I
[1:46:38] Speaker 5: can speak on, I'm very disappointed in the of course
[1:46:41] Speaker 5: this speaks to something grander, like Churchill called it the
[1:46:44] Speaker 5: Great Cabal, if we want to call it that. But
[1:46:46] Speaker 5: I'm very disappointed in the fact that there were discoveries
[1:46:48] Speaker 5: made many decades ago in particle physics that were never revealed,
[1:46:52] Speaker 5: that could have been applied to every single field, and
[1:46:54] Speaker 5: that would have therefore, by definition, changed the understanding of
[1:46:57] Speaker 5: what we're even going through now, say, even in modern times,
[1:46:59] Speaker 5: with the events of say, perhaps you know, the Ukraine War,
[1:47:02] Speaker 5: whatever the case is, right, I think that that understanding
[1:47:05] Speaker 5: of particle physics if as Einstein said, if I'm paraphrasing here,
[1:47:09] Speaker 5: if and I wish it was, which it could be,
[1:47:11] Speaker 5: in my opinion, explained at a very simple level, so
[1:47:13] Speaker 5: not everyone needs to be into science to get it.
[1:47:16] Speaker 5: If that was revealed at the time in which it
[1:47:18] Speaker 5: was discovered, relative to modern history post World War two,
[1:47:21] Speaker 5: I think we would be having a very different conversation
[1:47:24] Speaker 5: in general now in terms of AI. In all of that,
[1:47:27] Speaker 5: I'm not necessarily scared at all with what is public
[1:47:31] Speaker 5: right now. I am again and I am very dare
[1:47:35] Speaker 5: I say frightened by the what is behind the scenes,
[1:47:39] Speaker 5: and largely because of the fact that there's a lack
[1:47:42] Speaker 5: of general understanding of how it works, which goes right
[1:47:45] Speaker 5: back to my again unfortunate disappointment in the again cover
[1:47:51] Speaker 5: up of certain revelations that were made in particle physics
[1:47:53] Speaker 5: many decades ago. So do I say, does that mean
[1:47:56] Speaker 5: I have a negative aspect? No, absolutely not, absolutely not.
[1:47:59] Speaker 5: But I think that there's been a I think that
[1:48:03] Speaker 5: it would be it would be I would be remissed
[1:48:05] Speaker 5: basically if I just sat here and said, well, I
[1:48:08] Speaker 5: think it's all going to be fine.
[1:48:09] Speaker 4: I think people like ourselves will be fine.
[1:48:11] Speaker 5: I think for in that particular regard, because we will
[1:48:14] Speaker 5: be able to discern, whether intuition or otherwise, with our
[1:48:17] Speaker 5: own perspective and decide what we want to just you know,
[1:48:21] Speaker 5: understand this potential AI you know, benefit and or threat
[1:48:25] Speaker 5: as But I think we're going to have a I
[1:48:28] Speaker 5: think if if there was more of a metaphysical and
[1:48:32] Speaker 5: more of a general knowledge based understanding of this stuff,
[1:48:35] Speaker 5: I wouldn't be as hesitant to say what I just said.
[1:48:38] Speaker 3: Hmm, Right on.
[1:48:40] Speaker 1: Now, Brandon, you mentioned the possibility earlier of exiting the matrix.
[1:48:46] Speaker 1: We hear this a lot in our in our circles,
[1:48:49] Speaker 1: people talking about is it possible to exit this what
[1:48:53] Speaker 1: we understand as holographic reality or matrix? Is it that
[1:48:57] Speaker 1: we would be able to exit or just is it
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: that we'll be able to see more clearly what is
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: beyond our limited perception at the moment? What do you think.
[1:49:08] Speaker 4: You could could argue that's one and the same.
[1:49:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's both. It's just snowball effect.
[1:49:11] Speaker 6: So as we begin to see, you're basically unfogging the
[1:49:14] Speaker 6: glass of the dome and you're being able to see things,
[1:49:17] Speaker 6: but they've manifest here in the way that reality can
[1:49:20] Speaker 6: manifest in any way, because it seems to be like
[1:49:22] Speaker 6: just structure of strings.
[1:49:23] Speaker 2: Like in the end of what was that movie with
[1:49:27] Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey.
[1:49:27] Speaker 6: A'll ride out right, Oh interestal, thank you, Interstellar at
[1:49:30] Speaker 6: the end where he's just in that.
[1:49:31] Speaker 5: That was stream in time space, whereas we would be
[1:49:34] Speaker 5: existing in space time.
[1:49:35] Speaker 4: There you go.
[1:49:36] Speaker 6: And so the opposite of that, and so you have
[1:49:39] Speaker 6: all this maluability here, and so things I think that
[1:49:43] Speaker 6: are occurring are and we've talked about and and now
[1:49:45] Speaker 6: that we that he's been here, all of these things
[1:49:47] Speaker 6: pop up, like the thought of the phenomena all being
[1:49:50] Speaker 6: one thing, or that it all being jin or that
[1:49:52] Speaker 6: it's all just sort of a trickster thing that could
[1:49:54] Speaker 6: shape shift. And then i'm, you know, applying then the
[1:49:56] Speaker 6: filter of like, okay, well, they're just employees of this
[1:49:58] Speaker 6: place here to wake you up. So then when we
[1:50:00] Speaker 6: talk about this split sort of a thing, then we
[1:50:03] Speaker 6: apply sort of the conversations we've had about the simulation
[1:50:07] Speaker 6: about NPCs and about sort of a certain percentage of
[1:50:09] Speaker 6: people here, let's say a great deal of them aren't real,
[1:50:13] Speaker 6: let's say players of the game. They're again just sort
[1:50:15] Speaker 6: of employees of the haunted house running around to scare you.
[1:50:18] Speaker 6: But in that same respect, they hold energetic power here
[1:50:22] Speaker 6: in the same way that you do. Now, as you ascend,
[1:50:25] Speaker 6: the equal and opposite reaction must occur, like what I
[1:50:27] Speaker 6: had showed over there in the drawing, as you go up,
[1:50:30] Speaker 6: the forces go down. They must counter each other in
[1:50:33] Speaker 6: equal and opposite direction, sort of like a sign wave.
[1:50:35] Speaker 6: If a sign goes up, sign goes down. But it's
[1:50:37] Speaker 6: the negative dotted line. It's the underneath of the visible
[1:50:41] Speaker 6: sign wave that's there. It's the one underneath that it's
[1:50:44] Speaker 6: trough at your apex, so as you expand, it expands
[1:50:47] Speaker 6: as well, which then again would anchor this lower energy.
[1:50:51] Speaker 6: Reminded again of the quotes like a man can't reach
[1:50:53] Speaker 6: to heaven unless's roots reach to hell. All of these things,
[1:50:56] Speaker 6: so you send those pieces of the experience down as
[1:50:58] Speaker 6: you ascend in consciousness. Really the key is having conversations
[1:51:02] Speaker 6: like this unfogging the glass that's in my mind, what
[1:51:04] Speaker 6: this tower of babble is.
[1:51:05] Speaker 2: This is sension, this thirty three.
[1:51:07] Speaker 4: This portionality constant.
[1:51:10] Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, I mean it's it's this just you you were,
[1:51:13] Speaker 6: and then as it goes, it's a snowball effect. So
[1:51:16] Speaker 6: the more things were able to perceive, like if you
[1:51:18] Speaker 6: were okay, Chris, with an alien just popping in your
[1:51:20] Speaker 6: room right now, we'd be closer to being able to
[1:51:24] Speaker 6: do that. But I'm not that cool with that, you know.
[1:51:26] Speaker 6: I'm okay with like one being introduced to one or
[1:51:28] Speaker 6: being like knowing that it's coming. But as far as
[1:51:31] Speaker 6: sudden shock introduction or pop in you know, these in
[1:51:34] Speaker 6: those super things that may freak you out your consciousness
[1:51:37] Speaker 6: or the game which is religious you perhaps that what
[1:51:40] Speaker 6: I'm looking at it as wouldn't do that to you
[1:51:42] Speaker 6: because it's counterproductive to the experience of waking up, Because
[1:51:45] Speaker 6: waking up, you don't want to be shaken awake, you
[1:51:47] Speaker 6: know what I mean.
[1:51:48] Speaker 2: You want to be eased into it. Maybe hit the
[1:51:49] Speaker 2: snooze a little bit.
[1:51:51] Speaker 6: This is what they say about twenty twelve, that there
[1:51:53] Speaker 6: was actually a reset, that there was a snooze button
[1:51:55] Speaker 6: hit on the ending of the simulation because we weren't
[1:51:57] Speaker 6: ready enough, we needed we were still too sweet.
[1:52:00] Speaker 1: Is the simulation limited to what we understand as planet Earth?
[1:52:04] Speaker 1: Do you think it goes beyond? Is the simulation the
[1:52:07] Speaker 1: entire universe? Or is there something outside of what we
[1:52:12] Speaker 1: consider our atmosphere that's not a part of the simulation?
[1:52:16] Speaker 1: What do you guys think about that?
[1:52:17] Speaker 6: It's all what you believe it is. So the simulation
[1:52:20] Speaker 6: started you with the story of gravity, of mom and dad,
[1:52:22] Speaker 6: of right and wrong, of hot and cold, of all
[1:52:25] Speaker 6: of those things, and you've really anchored into that story.
[1:52:27] Speaker 6: We all have these parts of our consciousness have which
[1:52:29] Speaker 6: kind of is a self built in mechanism to the simulation,
[1:52:32] Speaker 6: if you want to say it that way, Because ideally
[1:52:34] Speaker 6: anything can happen here, anything can happen here. Let's say
[1:52:37] Speaker 6: that there's a directive or a focus, that there's a
[1:52:39] Speaker 6: particular mission, and so you'd want to govern the parameters
[1:52:42] Speaker 6: in a way by therefore governing your perspective of that
[1:52:45] Speaker 6: you are this huge, infinite creator. Even when you discover
[1:52:47] Speaker 6: it within the game, your perspectives from belief a long
[1:52:50] Speaker 6: time ago are so ingrained that it would take you
[1:52:52] Speaker 6: possibly the rest of your life to unlearn those. So again,
[1:52:54] Speaker 6: it sort of seems like an ice wall. It's a
[1:52:56] Speaker 6: built in environmental standard here to be part of the mechanism.
[1:53:02] Speaker 4: You know.
[1:53:03] Speaker 2: It's sort of how I see it.
[1:53:05] Speaker 5: If we think of like a sorry, if we think
[1:53:08] Speaker 5: of like a tree, and we have one branch of
[1:53:10] Speaker 5: a tree, for example, and that branch particularly can only
[1:53:14] Speaker 5: grow to the to the threshold to the extent in
[1:53:18] Speaker 5: which the trunk's threshold grows perfect and so that would
[1:53:22] Speaker 5: basically be a proportionality constant. So it's still growing in
[1:53:26] Speaker 5: a fractal sense, but it's based its limits are based
[1:53:29] Speaker 5: on what the trunk. Basically, the trunk's existence of being
[1:53:33] Speaker 5: permits it to. And the trunk is not necessarily saying
[1:53:36] Speaker 5: yes or no to the branch. It's just the trunk
[1:53:38] Speaker 5: itself just existing already by definition of its existence, has
[1:53:42] Speaker 5: created a parameter where basically there are certain This is
[1:53:46] Speaker 5: what speaks to the concept of what's called finite theory.
[1:53:48] Speaker 4: For example, so there's.
[1:53:49] Speaker 5: Only x amount of say, directions and growth rates and
[1:53:56] Speaker 5: growth sizes that the branch can take because it is
[1:53:59] Speaker 5: a fractal of the trunk itself. In that regard, now
[1:54:04] Speaker 5: the question is if we can get back to the
[1:54:05] Speaker 5: trunk and understand the trunk for what it is by definition,
[1:54:09] Speaker 5: then there would be an infinite amount of possibilities and
[1:54:12] Speaker 5: there would be no confinement, which speaks again to the
[1:54:14] Speaker 5: idea of just exploring what life is and the joy
[1:54:17] Speaker 5: is in the journey and so on and so forth.
[1:54:18] Speaker 5: So this also gives potential substantiation to certain elements of
[1:54:23] Speaker 5: government and military. That again, if for the sake of
[1:54:26] Speaker 5: hyper speculation, if say we assume there is one or
[1:54:30] Speaker 5: two of them out acting on good faith, stating basically that,
[1:54:33] Speaker 5: for example, the Israeli Space Defense minister who said former
[1:54:36] Speaker 5: one Maimaschad, who said that you know, there's aliens working
[1:54:39] Speaker 5: with humans on Mars and all this kind of stuff,
[1:54:41] Speaker 5: and he basically came out and said, I don't care
[1:54:42] Speaker 5: if anyone laughs or believes me either way, because I
[1:54:45] Speaker 5: have my I'm retired, i have my degrees, I've written books.
[1:54:48] Speaker 4: I don't care.
[1:54:49] Speaker 5: I've gotten some of the highest clearances of Israeli government.
[1:54:52] Speaker 5: It's almost as if it's interesting to see that allegedly
[1:54:57] Speaker 5: some of these beings, whether they're us from the future
[1:54:59] Speaker 5: or not or both or you name, it always come
[1:55:02] Speaker 5: back to saying we may know more than you, but
[1:55:05] Speaker 5: we don't know everything either.
[1:55:08] Speaker 6: There's a lot of exploratory processes. When contact days report
[1:55:11] Speaker 6: these great visiting their room, they'll pick up a pen
[1:55:13] Speaker 6: and just like chew on it.
[1:55:14] Speaker 2: Now, what the fuck you don't know what a pin is?
[1:55:16] Speaker 4: Dude?
[1:55:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're running a spaceship around like that people.
[1:55:18] Speaker 5: And this goes back to the concept of this idea
[1:55:20] Speaker 5: of we have to think for a moment that if
[1:55:23] Speaker 5: that's the case, they're running these advanced ships for example,
[1:55:25] Speaker 5: and then you know, I've even spoken to people privately
[1:55:28] Speaker 5: where they've claimed to have been on ships.
[1:55:30] Speaker 4: And then you know there's beings asking them why do
[1:55:31] Speaker 4: you like? You know?
[1:55:33] Speaker 5: Craft is then cloaked on a beach and they're looking
[1:55:35] Speaker 5: around these beings saying, how come your people socialize like this?
[1:55:39] Speaker 5: It's very interesting to see, which is why what I
[1:55:41] Speaker 5: was saying before. They don't understand our technology, perhaps in
[1:55:45] Speaker 5: our social and anthropological you know, in certain ways interactions,
[1:55:50] Speaker 5: but they have an understanding of science, not technology, but
[1:55:54] Speaker 5: science that is very similar to what Einstein did to
[1:55:57] Speaker 5: Newton in terms of getting to more fundamental processes. So
[1:56:00] Speaker 5: they can then fly that craft or you know, mand
[1:56:03] Speaker 5: the craft or maneuver a pilot it head to other dimensions,
[1:56:06] Speaker 5: but still not know what the hell's going on, so
[1:56:08] Speaker 5: they end up chewing on a pen. Yeah, so that
[1:56:10] Speaker 5: we have to consider that as well in my opinion.
[1:56:12] Speaker 6: So I definitely also have thought about this. And in
[1:56:15] Speaker 6: relation to what you said, now to the tree, real quick,
[1:56:17] Speaker 6: beautiful analogy. Trees are restricted by their environment and not
[1:56:21] Speaker 6: necessarily their genes because if we think it epigenetics, like
[1:56:23] Speaker 6: what doctor Bruce sahe Lipton talks about, how we're capable
[1:56:26] Speaker 6: of extending past our genes or perceived limitations genetically.
[1:56:29] Speaker 2: Right, So to our trees. Look at Devil's Tower in
[1:56:32] Speaker 2: Wyoming Rift.
[1:56:33] Speaker 6: Allegedly there's a lightar that was taken where the whole
[1:56:36] Speaker 6: root structure to match what a tree would have been
[1:56:38] Speaker 6: above that. You can take a ground penetrating radar of
[1:56:41] Speaker 6: any tree. You see the root structure underneath matches the
[1:56:44] Speaker 6: branches above basically in volume and spread, so that they
[1:56:47] Speaker 6: can support underneath what the top tree wants to experience
[1:56:50] Speaker 6: and fly and row to feed them under right, it's
[1:56:52] Speaker 6: this cyclical environment.
[1:56:53] Speaker 2: One's in the dark, one is not.
[1:56:55] Speaker 6: So it's this exact sort of model that we've been
[1:56:57] Speaker 6: talking about here with this yeah, and so what was
[1:57:01] Speaker 6: the so the tree and then what was the thing
[1:57:03] Speaker 6: you finished on.
[1:57:05] Speaker 5: About how they owe the idea of how there's a
[1:57:07] Speaker 5: more fundamental.
[1:57:08] Speaker 6: Yes, so grays, we've we've talked about grays, and you
[1:57:10] Speaker 6: hear contact reports of them being sort of on autonomous
[1:57:14] Speaker 6: like sort of vehicles like sort of just robots or whatever.
[1:57:17] Speaker 6: And then also contact reports have said, multiple have said
[1:57:20] Speaker 6: that the grays refer to us as vehicles as vessels.
[1:57:24] Speaker 6: So then you think, well, maybe everything here is a
[1:57:26] Speaker 6: goddamn vessel, because then you have like the matrix and
[1:57:28] Speaker 6: maybe it's not like some plug outside.
[1:57:30] Speaker 5: Speaks to what a lot of papers now have been
[1:57:32] Speaker 5: discussing in the peer reviewed literature with respects to a
[1:57:35] Speaker 5: potential holo fractal morphogenic reality, which gives rise to Boemyan
[1:57:40] Speaker 5: decoherence and bomy in holography and all that.
[1:57:42] Speaker 6: This is where you get the mister Smith effect that
[1:57:44] Speaker 6: anything can turn into a representative of the matrix at
[1:57:46] Speaker 6: any time. This is where you'll be talking to someone
[1:57:48] Speaker 6: having a normal conversation, then all of a sudden you're like, hey,
[1:57:50] Speaker 6: what do you think the good I.
[1:57:51] Speaker 1: Have to get it up for a second. You guys
[1:57:53] Speaker 1: know Trey Hudson from the Metal Project. I was talking
[1:57:56] Speaker 1: to him the other day and he has the same
[1:57:58] Speaker 1: theory about the Men in Black, that they may be
[1:58:01] Speaker 1: reinhabited by this intelligences and be working on behalf of
[1:58:06] Speaker 1: something else when they go investigate these things.
[1:58:08] Speaker 5: It gives credence to the idea, for example, of the
[1:58:11] Speaker 5: forming in addition to everything said here, not in replacement of,
[1:58:15] Speaker 5: but in addition to eggrigors or for you know, thought
[1:58:18] Speaker 5: constants being some type of So this idea that in
[1:58:21] Speaker 5: some cases I want to be careful here because I'm
[1:58:23] Speaker 5: not saying this is the end all be all, far from,
[1:58:25] Speaker 5: but that ghosts or spirits that tend to in some
[1:58:28] Speaker 5: cases haunt people troll them, you know, take the clothes
[1:58:31] Speaker 5: out of their laundry, bask you know, mess with them
[1:58:32] Speaker 5: in that sense, stack chairs and all that, you know,
[1:58:34] Speaker 5: make things fall or clocks go flying or what have you. May,
[1:58:38] Speaker 5: in fact, in some cases be a very deep internal
[1:58:42] Speaker 5: we could say, feedback loop of some type of traumatic
[1:58:46] Speaker 5: thought that is being manifested without realizing on the front
[1:58:49] Speaker 5: end of that individual. Hence the idea of oh, wherever
[1:58:52] Speaker 5: I move, this being is always with me. Well, okay,
[1:58:54] Speaker 5: I'm not trying to say that that is the end
[1:58:56] Speaker 5: all be all, but the idea of again being in
[1:58:58] Speaker 5: the present, general, the past, and the future. And if
[1:59:01] Speaker 5: it's if it's possible from the perspective of a ghost
[1:59:03] Speaker 5: or a spirit that it's in the material world, and
[1:59:06] Speaker 5: then we're the spirits, yes, then it's again that gives
[1:59:09] Speaker 5: the idea of it's both but neither simultaneously, which would
[1:59:12] Speaker 5: be a quantum superpositioning potential.
[1:59:15] Speaker 6: And what's more, it could be just a program, a
[1:59:16] Speaker 6: glitch in the matrix, a time loop, which also we've
[1:59:18] Speaker 6: talked about, right, and so to this then you would say, okay, well,
[1:59:22] Speaker 6: like if they can do that, then why can't we
[1:59:25] Speaker 6: do that? Right? My boundless out to miss as is
[1:59:27] Speaker 6: like flip the script on the rushes, right, And so
[1:59:29] Speaker 6: then you would say, okay, well, what if we can
[1:59:31] Speaker 6: find the ability to create a zero gravity craft. And
[1:59:34] Speaker 6: perhaps this is why we're told, and I love Dave
[1:59:36] Speaker 6: what you said about the localized environment, we're told that
[1:59:39] Speaker 6: people are murdered all the time for discovering things that
[1:59:41] Speaker 6: are right here under your noses that could be beneficial
[1:59:43] Speaker 6: to you in an awesome way, perhaps escaping the matrix
[1:59:46] Speaker 6: at some point. Now also to this that perhaps is
[1:59:49] Speaker 6: a siop, you know, to scare you off. But if
[1:59:51] Speaker 6: you don't allow it to there's a lot of cool
[1:59:53] Speaker 6: dope shit over here.
[1:59:54] Speaker 4: When you start.
[1:59:54] Speaker 6: Exploring it and you just tell that resistance to fuck off.
[1:59:58] Speaker 6: Now again, the resistances will pop up as these representatives
[2:00:01] Speaker 6: from the matrix until they no longer need to it,
[2:00:05] Speaker 6: as like they're anamorphous from a fog like those remember
[2:00:09] Speaker 6: those things They were needle They were like flat needles
[2:00:12] Speaker 6: on the back and there were a plexiglass and you
[2:00:13] Speaker 6: could like stick your face in it or your hand
[2:00:15] Speaker 6: and it would come through on the other side. But
[2:00:16] Speaker 6: it will imprints. Okay, same thing with your reality. There
[2:00:21] Speaker 6: you go Okay, same thing, right, So this is sort
[2:00:23] Speaker 6: of how they manifest. They're all out of a fog
[2:00:25] Speaker 6: that's all around you, and they just pop up your
[2:00:27] Speaker 6: unsupportive parent when you really need them to be like interesting, shit,
[2:00:30] Speaker 6: you're just like, oh my god, it's in everything.
[2:00:31] Speaker 4: You got it.
[2:00:32] Speaker 6: And so again it's then too this, like what if
[2:00:35] Speaker 6: the hack is to then perhaps transfer our consciousness to
[2:00:38] Speaker 6: one of these vessels that can escape the matrix, perhaps
[2:00:42] Speaker 6: like a gray or maybe there's some fortification we can
[2:00:45] Speaker 6: do biologically, because perhaps we're only limited number one by
[2:00:49] Speaker 6: our fucking mind and that's always the reality. Number two
[2:00:52] Speaker 6: by a perceived limitation. But again, if we could at
[2:00:55] Speaker 6: least get to the point where we could transfer that,
[2:00:57] Speaker 6: then maybe that's an escape out or apprehendic and those
[2:01:00] Speaker 6: are like the keys that can slip out, sort of
[2:01:03] Speaker 6: like an Avengers. When it took the staff to pierce
[2:01:06] Speaker 6: the you had to have something to pierce that innerte
[2:01:08] Speaker 6: barrier that was in resonance with it. So maybe that's
[2:01:11] Speaker 6: well resonance with it.
[2:01:13] Speaker 5: It's the idea of four sequels mass times acceleration, the
[2:01:16] Speaker 5: same way that an acoustic you know you have appropriate
[2:01:19] Speaker 5: density of sound can then.
[2:01:21] Speaker 2: Shatter glass simply.
[2:01:24] Speaker 5: So what's happening is there's a proportionality constant between the
[2:01:26] Speaker 5: resonant frequencies of the frequencies that are comprising the mass
[2:01:30] Speaker 5: of the glass, particularly the mass, and then the sound
[2:01:32] Speaker 5: that is omitting to it. So when Newton says four
[2:01:35] Speaker 5: sequels mass times acceleration, I would strongly agree with him
[2:01:38] Speaker 5: there when again, if you can get something to match
[2:01:41] Speaker 5: the acceleration at which the mass of an object is
[2:01:44] Speaker 5: resonating ad or within, then you'd be able to then
[2:01:47] Speaker 5: manipulate it, which gives credence to the holofracto morphogenic concept.
[2:01:51] Speaker 4: The question and becomes what is mass?
[2:01:52] Speaker 5: And that's something that publicly has been kind of run
[2:01:56] Speaker 5: in circles for for many many not even years, but decades,
[2:01:59] Speaker 5: perhaps because we know that mass and weight are different.
[2:02:01] Speaker 5: But it's this idea of you know, for example, if
[2:02:04] Speaker 5: we discover what masses, that may be able to insert
[2:02:07] Speaker 5: that final variable into Einstein's gr equations that would then
[2:02:11] Speaker 5: bring everything fully together.
[2:02:12] Speaker 6: So really, like I said, it's conversations like this, we
[2:02:15] Speaker 6: are breaking the matrix right now. In the nast dole
[2:02:18] Speaker 6: of the Tower of Babble got built on top of
[2:02:20] Speaker 6: this because it's just awareness. It's about being able to
[2:02:22] Speaker 6: perceive what's bigger impossible.
[2:02:24] Speaker 2: That's all a r right precisely, like the key to
[2:02:26] Speaker 2: all this shit really is that easy.
[2:02:28] Speaker 4: I love it.
[2:02:29] Speaker 1: This broadcast is changing the fabric of reality as we speak.
[2:02:33] Speaker 1: Hell yeah, man, is there anything else important that we
[2:02:36] Speaker 1: should cover? Anything you think we should throw in there
[2:02:39] Speaker 1: before we close out today?
[2:02:40] Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, actually, I myself, Actually it's
[2:02:43] Speaker 5: a perfect timing because I was just gonna ask if
[2:02:45] Speaker 5: I could just plug some of my stuff and then
[2:02:46] Speaker 5: I going to jump on it. But yeah, no, that's
[2:02:49] Speaker 5: thank you so much for having us, especially even myself
[2:02:52] Speaker 5: at the last minute here when Brandon told me, I
[2:02:54] Speaker 5: was very excited when I heard it was you, brother,
[2:02:56] Speaker 5: I said, absolutely so. Just again, for anyone interested, Generation
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[2:03:17] Speaker 5: I then put out for the members.
[2:03:19] Speaker 4: We do call.
[2:03:20] Speaker 5: We have calls where we discuss things like this. For example,
[2:03:23] Speaker 5: group calls and many different things. Loads more of content
[2:03:27] Speaker 5: insights on. I recently put a video up with Brandon
[2:03:30] Speaker 5: graciously filmed on how to basically if one wanted to
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[2:03:46] Speaker 5: And I want to thank you so much for having
[2:03:48] Speaker 5: me man, Truly, it was a pleasure and an honor,
[2:03:50] Speaker 5: So thank you.
[2:03:51] Speaker 1: Yes man, thank you so much for coming on this.
[2:03:53] Speaker 4: This is a real.
[2:03:54] Speaker 1: Experience today, Brandon. Let everybody know where they can find
[2:03:58] Speaker 1: your wonderful stuff.
[2:04:00] Speaker 2: Thank you so much, man, and thank you for having
[2:04:01] Speaker 2: us brother.
[2:04:01] Speaker 6: When I got the text this morning, I was like,
[2:04:03] Speaker 6: oh my god, I can't wait for Dave to wake
[2:04:05] Speaker 6: up and we can do this.
[2:04:05] Speaker 2: So thank you again. This is badass.
[2:04:07] Speaker 6: You find it Expanding Reality podcast dot com. That's where
[2:04:10] Speaker 6: everything links to. That's the mothership.
[2:04:11] Speaker 2: I would go there.
[2:04:12] Speaker 6: Another thing I will plug though, is our Expanding Reality
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[2:04:48] Speaker 4: Dave, thanks, thank you, guys, thank you.
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