# Nephilim Death Squad | Aliens = Demons? ET Propaganda, Fallen Angel Technology

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 31 Jul 2026, 1 h 17 min.

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[0:02] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:04] Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
[0:08] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:10] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:14] Speaker 1: your host, Chris Matthew. Today my guests are Neflim Death Squad.
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[0:47] Speaker 1: the show Neflim Death Squad. They are a group of
[0:50] Speaker 1: unlikely heroes determined to unravel the mysteries of the universe
[0:54] Speaker 1: and expose the truth behind the world's most notorious conspiracies,
[0:58] Speaker 1: the paranormal and hidden history of humanity. Raven Lobster, Welcome back.
[1:04] Speaker 2: How y'all doing, dude good. I just heard a strange voice.
[1:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it said this meeting is being recorded. I
[1:12] Speaker 3: wasn't told that, and I'm going to have to reach
[1:14] Speaker 3: out to our Jewish lawyer. No, we're doing good man.
[1:18] Speaker 3: It's good to see you. It's been a while.
[1:20] Speaker 2: And uh, you know what's funny is a little aside
[1:23] Speaker 2: before we get into it. Somebody discovered us through your show.
[1:27] Speaker 3: And reached out a long time ago, and I kind
[1:30] Speaker 3: of neglected the message.
[1:31] Speaker 4: Because a lot of people, all right, go ahead in fairness, Yeah,
[1:35] Speaker 4: a lot of people go, hey, man, aliens might be demons.
[1:39] Speaker 4: Aliens might not be demons. Yeah, thanks for listening to
[1:42] Speaker 4: my email. Nathaniel Gillis.
[1:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, And I look at people Daniel Gillis all the
[1:47] Speaker 2: time and Nephlum, Death Squadity or anybody pretty much if like, yeah,
[1:51] Speaker 2: they get very confused because like you've been on the show. Yeah,
[1:54] Speaker 2: they email us and they like argue with us, but
[1:56] Speaker 2: at you like, we're not we're not them, We're not
[1:58] Speaker 2: them at all. So a lot of things kind of
[2:00] Speaker 2: fly under the radar. But it turns out the fittest
[2:02] Speaker 2: flat earther, oh yeah, it actually reached out to us
[2:06] Speaker 2: from a very early appearance on your show. I mean
[2:09] Speaker 2: Christian Bale. No, we're Christian Bale.
[2:11] Speaker 3: And we had a brief dialogue with him, and then
[2:14] Speaker 3: I kind of forgot about it because I didn't even
[2:15] Speaker 3: know who he was at the time. Long story, short man,
[2:17] Speaker 3: we had would you say, we had a falling out
[2:20] Speaker 3: with So that's how he saw through show.
[2:22] Speaker 2: Do you know him?
[2:23] Speaker 1: I didn't even know he watched my fucking show. That
[2:25] Speaker 1: makes me very uneasy, now.
[2:28] Speaker 2: Dude, he was watching your show, saw us on it,
[2:31] Speaker 2: talked about sleep paralysis in the comment and you know,
[2:33] Speaker 2: in the messages a little bit, and then got mad
[2:35] Speaker 2: at us because we said, hey, it's very silly to
[2:37] Speaker 2: say that nobody ever dies and everybody is actually Christian
[2:41] Speaker 2: Bale in disguise.
[2:42] Speaker 3: Lionel Messi is Christian Bale. Christian Bale is a fallen angel,
[2:46] Speaker 3: over and over again. All of his connections are basically
[2:50] Speaker 3: you're Christian Bale. And we said that, We said that's
[2:53] Speaker 3: quite silly, and he got really upset about it. I
[2:55] Speaker 3: amun that maybe Bacon, he probably is Francis Bacon. Yeah,
[3:01] Speaker 3: he's definitely not Christian. Well, he's definitely not not Christian
[3:04] Speaker 3: Bale and can't be certain. So yeah, it's just funny
[3:07] Speaker 3: the people who find you through these appearances.
[3:09] Speaker 2: But it's great to be back, man, Thanks for having us.
[3:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, great to have you back. Like I said,
[3:13] Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about the fittest flat
[3:15] Speaker 1: Earth or listening to my shit, but you know, an
[3:18] Speaker 1: audience is an audience, like yes, So today I wanted
[3:22] Speaker 1: to get into the discussion surrounding extraterrestrials and UFOs as
[3:26] Speaker 1: it relates to the true nature of what people could
[3:29] Speaker 1: be experiencing. And I know you guys have interviewed many
[3:32] Speaker 1: abduction victims and even on the other end of the
[3:35] Speaker 1: spectrum experiencers. I've had a huge problem with all the
[3:40] Speaker 1: narratives that have come out of the UFO community for
[3:42] Speaker 1: a long time. There are too many pieces that don't
[3:45] Speaker 1: fit together and so many red flags to point out.
[3:49] Speaker 1: In my perspective, it's a spiritual or metaphysical phenomenon, but
[3:54] Speaker 1: even within that spiritual framework, some things just don't even
[3:58] Speaker 1: add up there. So today we're gonna share your perspectives
[4:01] Speaker 1: on the phenomena. Get weird with it before we do.
[4:04] Speaker 1: For those that may not be familiar tell us briefly
[4:07] Speaker 1: about yourselves and let them know how they can find more.
[4:10] Speaker 2: Uh.
[4:10] Speaker 3: You can find us at the same places that the
[4:12] Speaker 3: fittest flat earther found us. That's Nephelum Desk Squad on Instagram.
[4:17] Speaker 4: Forbidden Knowledge News sometimes sometimes Forbidden Knowledge News.
[4:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find us pretty much anywhere you find
[4:22] Speaker 3: your podcast except for Rumble, but all your audio feeds
[4:26] Speaker 3: were there as well.
[4:27] Speaker 2: Our merch and right now currently the tickets to an
[4:29] Speaker 2: inverted plug for Rumble. You always do that, not Rumble.
[4:35] Speaker 2: You definitely have hugged us, specifically in the context of
[4:37] Speaker 2: Brohemian Grove. Oh hey, which is happening? Yeah, yeah, so
[4:41] Speaker 2: next Saturday.
[4:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go to top lobster with an a
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[4:46] Speaker 3: also the tickets for Brohemian Grove. It's short noticed. But
[4:49] Speaker 3: if you guys are in Florida, We're in Wildwood, Florida
[4:52] Speaker 3: on August eighth. Then we're gonna have a bunch of
[4:54] Speaker 3: people coming to hang out. Owen Benjamin, Doctor heather Lin's
[4:57] Speaker 3: gonna be there. A lot of familiar names is if
[5:00] Speaker 3: you're familiar with the show and just the community, they're
[5:02] Speaker 3: gonna be coming down and hanging out and uh, come
[5:04] Speaker 3: be part of the fun.
[5:05] Speaker 2: But yeah, the Rumble thing just a brief overview.
[5:08] Speaker 3: They messed us up on the last Brohemian Grove because
[5:11] Speaker 3: they said, we said, hey, we'd like to live stream
[5:14] Speaker 3: it through Rumble, and they said absolutely. In exchange, we'll
[5:17] Speaker 3: put you guys on the front page and all you
[5:19] Speaker 3: have to do is get your viewers to buy a
[5:21] Speaker 3: subscription to Rumble.
[5:23] Speaker 2: That's right. Was that the last that was the last one?
[5:26] Speaker 2: It was? It was twice twice. Yeah, so basically what
[5:31] Speaker 2: happened is what you want. Shame on you, Shame on us.
[5:36] Speaker 2: We can't get fooled again.
[5:37] Speaker 3: But uh, they all subscription and and we they never
[5:42] Speaker 3: put us on the front page. So Rumble got all
[5:44] Speaker 3: the money, we got none of the exposure. A really
[5:46] Speaker 3: great deal on our heads. So yeah, Rumble, we no
[5:51] Speaker 3: longer love them. So that's not to say they couldn't
[5:54] Speaker 3: shovel a bunch of money at us to rectify it.
[5:55] Speaker 4: But an that day, but I had words with Chris
[5:57] Speaker 4: Povloski too, and I was like, hey, Chris, let me
[6:00] Speaker 4: ask you a question. I know this is this is
[6:01] Speaker 4: not really what the show's about, but there's some beef
[6:04] Speaker 4: right up front.
[6:04] Speaker 2: That's right, dude. In case Chris Provoski watched this, watches
[6:07] Speaker 2: this show.
[6:07] Speaker 3: He might, who know, he hangs out with the fitness
[6:09] Speaker 3: flat earther on Saturdays. Is to watch for busin knowledge news.
[6:13] Speaker 4: Hey on YouTube, this this platform that hates us. We've
[6:16] Speaker 4: grown exponentially, yes, but on your platform, we've plaateawed about
[6:21] Speaker 4: seven thousand followers.
[6:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, we exploded up and then Plateau's super hard.
[6:25] Speaker 4: I said, well what happened because like we've been uploading
[6:28] Speaker 4: the same and he was like he gave us a
[6:30] Speaker 4: thousand excuses before he just finally said, your content's just bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
[6:36] Speaker 4: the content is bad. Fair, that's fair. But we can't
[6:39] Speaker 4: explain why it's growing everywhere else and not in this place.
[6:42] Speaker 2: So like there's a fun shit they I don't know
[6:44] Speaker 2: what's going on, but you know, just to put a
[6:47] Speaker 2: pin in it, you know, fuck rumble, so you can't
[6:50] Speaker 2: find it, you can't find us there.
[6:52] Speaker 3: So so as for this conversation, Chris, this is a
[6:55] Speaker 3: pertinent time to have the conversation given all of the
[6:59] Speaker 3: is that a real word.
[6:59] Speaker 2: For it's close? Okay, it's right, Okay, get me on.
[7:02] Speaker 2: I'm trying.
[7:03] Speaker 3: I'm trying my best since the Ortho tobacco to use
[7:05] Speaker 3: smaller words. Oh yeah, yeah, five things, yeah yeah, like anathema.
[7:10] Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't know. I don't like that
[7:12] Speaker 2: word acumenical.
[7:13] Speaker 4: I also don't like thattricitical a way they sound. No,
[7:18] Speaker 4: I don't know what you mean or wait seriously though, yeah?
[7:21] Speaker 4: Were we on?
[7:22] Speaker 2: Uh?
[7:22] Speaker 4: Have we been on since we had the debate with
[7:25] Speaker 4: Timothy Auberino? Do you even know about this?
[7:27] Speaker 1: I know about it, but you have not been on since?
[7:30] Speaker 2: Then?
[7:31] Speaker 1: Tell us about it.
[7:32] Speaker 2: It's been a while huh. So uh.
[7:35] Speaker 3: Effectively, what was happening was there was these utterings within
[7:38] Speaker 3: the sort of Christian conspiracy community, the CCC as I
[7:42] Speaker 3: like to call it, to keep the ground that we're
[7:45] Speaker 3: saying things like I've never said that in my life.
[7:51] Speaker 2: I like it though, so.
[7:53] Speaker 3: So they were saying, you know, if you think aliens
[7:57] Speaker 3: are demons, you're retarded. And you know, yes, that's that's
[8:02] Speaker 3: an accurate description of us. But I've come to a
[8:05] Speaker 3: lot of that idea.
[8:07] Speaker 2: Sure it's reductive aliens or demons, but the overlap, the
[8:09] Speaker 2: correlating data points between both phenomena.
[8:12] Speaker 3: Let's say demonic encounters saying you're gay, yeah, like your shirt, right,
[8:16] Speaker 3: the leading is gay.
[8:17] Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously it's not gay. We do it all the time,
[8:20] Speaker 4: but it depends on what you're.
[8:23] Speaker 3: Right, right, right, So, but we remove the nuance for
[8:26] Speaker 3: this sake of instigating conversations. So if I go aliens
[8:30] Speaker 3: their demons, I would hope that an individual would go, well,
[8:33] Speaker 3: what do you mean by that?
[8:33] Speaker 2: And I would say, fantastic, send them your butthole. I
[8:36] Speaker 2: wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that.
[8:38] Speaker 3: I would say, well, if you look at abductee testimony
[8:41] Speaker 3: versus a demonic encounter testimony, which is all anecdotal, admittedly right,
[8:46] Speaker 3: because it's not hard data points, but you would find
[8:48] Speaker 3: a staggering amount of overlap data points between one phenomenon
[8:52] Speaker 3: and the next. In fact, if it was event diagram,
[8:55] Speaker 3: the center section I think would greatly outsize the outer section.
[9:00] Speaker 3: And so it is not inherently retarded to say that
[9:04] Speaker 3: they're the same phenomenon.
[9:07] Speaker 2: Uh, but you know, within.
[9:09] Speaker 3: The CCC they are continually saying this, and to the
[9:12] Speaker 3: extent that Timothy Alberino starts to tweet kind of in
[9:15] Speaker 3: back to back fashion and and and I would say
[9:19] Speaker 3: his greatest tweet was summarized as if you are getting
[9:23] Speaker 3: your alien information from Nephilum podcasters, you are retarded.
[9:30] Speaker 2: That's the logo. That's literally the branding of the show.
[9:33] Speaker 2: Like it's honestly, look, it says retarded. Yeah, it says
[9:37] Speaker 2: retard too above our Nephilam skull.
[9:40] Speaker 1: That is exposure there.
[9:42] Speaker 2: So we've got to assume that you're talking about us.
[9:44] Speaker 3: If you're not talking about us, you're talking about our people,
[9:47] Speaker 3: which equally is egregious.
[9:48] Speaker 2: We were sitting there and was like, fuck me, what
[9:51] Speaker 2: did I do? What I do?
[9:53] Speaker 3: So you know, the kind of short of it is,
[9:56] Speaker 3: I started to mock him relentlessly, ill rest like tested
[10:00] Speaker 3: it and it was accurate and right, and then he lied.
[10:03] Speaker 4: This this is a long story, but he lied to
[10:05] Speaker 4: kind of go back. But David puts a video of
[10:07] Speaker 4: him whipping a mirror in his bathroom.
[10:10] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And he goes, if I
[10:12] Speaker 3: was dressed like Indiana Jones. For those who don't know,
[10:14] Speaker 3: Timothy Albarino is an archaeologist who dresses on ironically like
[10:18] Speaker 3: Indiana Jones regularly in his everyday life, not when he's
[10:22] Speaker 3: scaling megalithic structures. When he's going to Walmart in Public's,
[10:25] Speaker 3: he is dressed like Indiana Jones, and so I thought, well,
[10:29] Speaker 3: I like that outfit, and I don't think he should
[10:30] Speaker 3: have a stranglehold on you know that outfit?
[10:33] Speaker 2: I think I should have it too. And so I
[10:34] Speaker 2: dressed like him, and I whipped the mirror and I said,
[10:36] Speaker 2: if you think aliens are demons, you're retarded.
[10:39] Speaker 3: But I never tagged him. I set a little trap
[10:40] Speaker 3: for him, and he came out and he said, Uh,
[10:44] Speaker 3: do you want to act like a child or would
[10:45] Speaker 3: you rather have an adult conversation about this? And I
[10:47] Speaker 3: said why, why would you think this is about you?
[10:50] Speaker 3: And so you know that's how the whole thing kind
[10:53] Speaker 3: of starts.
[10:54] Speaker 2: And you know.
[10:58] Speaker 3: It's a saga. It's a saga, and I don't I
[11:00] Speaker 3: wanted to take up the entire time. But this does
[11:01] Speaker 3: lead into everything. It leads apologizing to him.
[11:04] Speaker 2: I did apologize because we went absolutely insane out him.
[11:07] Speaker 3: But he challenges me to a debate. I, for the
[11:11] Speaker 3: life of me, cannot figure out what we would be debating,
[11:13] Speaker 3: except for maybe the aliens or demon's topics. I start
[11:16] Speaker 3: to look into his content to decide what points are
[11:19] Speaker 3: we going to have contention on. And I find that
[11:21] Speaker 3: this man ten years ago is making documentaries and he
[11:24] Speaker 3: is saying things that I tend to agree with that
[11:28] Speaker 3: you could summarize them as the Vatican will help facilitate
[11:33] Speaker 3: a deception in the form of alien disclosure, and from
[11:37] Speaker 3: this alien disclosure, the Antichrist will emerge.
[11:40] Speaker 2: Now that's a little bit in in front of the Vatican.
[11:43] Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's actually saying in front of the Vatican
[11:45] Speaker 2: in his videos. Yeah.
[11:46] Speaker 3: And I don't know if you could definitively say the Antichrist,
[11:50] Speaker 3: the man of pradition.
[11:51] Speaker 2: The lawless one, will come from this disclosure.
[11:55] Speaker 3: But what I can say is good, it's a good guess,
[11:58] Speaker 3: and I like it, and it is also sexy. But
[12:00] Speaker 3: what I can start to feel a little uneasy about is, well,
[12:04] Speaker 3: why are you giving me pushback when I say it's demonic?
[12:07] Speaker 3: When I say that it's it's you know, aliens are demons, and.
[12:11] Speaker 2: You go no, no, no, no, no, no no. But surely the
[12:13] Speaker 2: Christ will come from it.
[12:14] Speaker 3: I go, wait, wait, wait, how are we not speaking
[12:16] Speaker 3: the same language? So you know, we we have this discussion,
[12:19] Speaker 3: and uh, I won't get too much in the weeds
[12:22] Speaker 3: on the debate, but it is the debate was actually civil,
[12:29] Speaker 3: pretty civil two hours.
[12:30] Speaker 2: We let him talk holy crap.
[12:32] Speaker 3: And then afterwards it went downhill because he accused us
[12:35] Speaker 3: of He's like, you'll never release this, and we're like,
[12:37] Speaker 3: he said, we're demons, demons, the aliens are you can demons.
[12:42] Speaker 3: And it's say that somebody was gargling him. That was
[12:46] Speaker 3: you know, they they were, they were. But the timing
[12:50] Speaker 3: of it, Chris, and this brings us to the bigger
[12:52] Speaker 3: conversation was right before. So we started to think, well,
[12:57] Speaker 3: it seems like he's positioning himself.
[12:59] Speaker 2: Well, it'd be sort of a tall walking head.
[13:00] Speaker 4: Let's also put like, like put some more players out
[13:02] Speaker 4: in the Christian Community conspiracy in the CCCS.
[13:07] Speaker 2: Here to the ground of the CCC for.
[13:09] Speaker 4: The rumblings of the comers and gorumble, the movers and shi.
[13:14] Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, I shouldn't even put this
[13:15] Speaker 4: green thing here.
[13:16] Speaker 2: That's not so. Yeah, these guys blurry creatures. They're like
[13:21] Speaker 2: probably top three.
[13:23] Speaker 4: Podcasts within this Christian community space, like but they're like
[13:26] Speaker 4: real in the CC like like Christian how you'd see
[13:30] Speaker 4: it in a church, not our show.
[13:32] Speaker 2: Our shows people like we believe in Jesus Christ, but
[13:36] Speaker 2: not we're also terrible people.
[13:37] Speaker 4: You wouldn't Yeah, we wouldn't fit in that bubble anyway.
[13:40] Speaker 4: They start following me on Twitter, like the day of yeah,
[13:44] Speaker 4: maybe the day before or a few days before the
[13:47] Speaker 4: Alba accusation, pointing. So I'm like, which these guys are?
[13:51] Speaker 4: If I wasn't together very intimately, yeah, they're they're they're
[13:54] Speaker 4: no authoring books and ship And if I wasn't on there,
[13:58] Speaker 4: if I wasn't a conspiracy theorist, I would have been
[14:00] Speaker 4: hype and I would have reached out and said, hey,
[14:03] Speaker 4: thanks for the follow together, would you like to do
[14:06] Speaker 4: a show? Love your show even though I don't watch it,
[14:09] Speaker 4: but I go wait a second, and it like makes
[14:12] Speaker 4: the hairs on my next stand up, and I tell David, Yeah,
[14:15] Speaker 4: I tell Matt, and they all tell me that I'm crazy.
[14:18] Speaker 2: I don't worry. Don't know. You're looking too far into this.
[14:20] Speaker 2: I think you were looking at it pretty accurate.
[14:22] Speaker 4: I was looking at that shit like directly in front
[14:24] Speaker 4: of my face. A second, none of this adds up.
[14:27] Speaker 4: We get attacked. Those guys are following me, So now
[14:28] Speaker 4: I feel like I have the eyes of Son on me.
[14:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of the.
[14:32] Speaker 4: Eyes of the Christian communities, uh, Christian community, communacy community, yeah,
[14:38] Speaker 4: networks into the ground. They're they're telling me to behave
[14:42] Speaker 4: in a Christian manner, right, they want you And when
[14:45] Speaker 4: they say behave in a Christian manner, that means fit
[14:47] Speaker 4: inside this box.
[14:48] Speaker 2: As I attack you.
[14:48] Speaker 3: And do not and start shit with with Alberino, don't
[14:52] Speaker 3: push back. That's how Burno is kind of the golden
[14:54] Speaker 3: calf of that of that community right there, right now.
[14:56] Speaker 2: And I go, no, fuck that. Yeah.
[14:58] Speaker 4: So, I like we're seeing all these things converging, and
[15:00] Speaker 4: I was like, something's happening here. This is a weird
[15:02] Speaker 4: ap It looks like we're supposed to be a sacrificial lamb.
[15:07] Speaker 4: So to speak for him to come and kill us
[15:10] Speaker 4: or embarrass us and then do the rounds. Yeah, so
[15:13] Speaker 4: so he does directly after. It's insane, Chris, It's insane.
[15:18] Speaker 3: So but you can go back to the episodes of
[15:19] Speaker 3: me saying this and Matt's sitting there going no no
[15:23] Speaker 3: for the audience.
[15:23] Speaker 1: Alberino has more of a perspective that these are physical
[15:28] Speaker 1: extraterrestrials and it's separate from the phenomena of demons.
[15:32] Speaker 2: He says, specifically physical.
[15:34] Speaker 3: Right at the top of the show, Chris, you said
[15:36] Speaker 3: that you feel as though it's more spiritual or metaphysical,
[15:39] Speaker 3: you know, and I would agree with that. It's a
[15:40] Speaker 3: mincing of vocabulary, right, But like we're talking very much
[15:43] Speaker 3: about the same thing, this intangible, non physical element to
[15:46] Speaker 3: the phenomenon. However, he's he maintains there is no spiritual
[15:51] Speaker 3: He just got on Rogan and said, there's nothing spiritual
[15:54] Speaker 3: about it, uh huh.
[15:55] Speaker 2: Which is.
[15:57] Speaker 3: If you're if you're dealing with this entire phenomena, which
[16:00] Speaker 3: is mostly intangible. You have the reverse engineer technology and
[16:05] Speaker 3: what that could do for us zero point energy, YadA YadA.
[16:08] Speaker 3: But when it comes to the abduction phenomenon and the
[16:11] Speaker 3: actual encounters that individual have with the entities.
[16:15] Speaker 2: They ride the line.
[16:17] Speaker 3: They blur the line between physical and non physical to
[16:21] Speaker 3: such a degree that experiencers have a real hard time
[16:25] Speaker 3: pinning down what actually happened to them, if it was
[16:28] Speaker 3: actually physical, if their astral form or spirit was removed
[16:31] Speaker 3: from their body and taken elsewhere. This abduction phenomenon is
[16:35] Speaker 3: all over the map, and for him to say blanketly
[16:39] Speaker 3: that there's no I mean, he'll he'll bog you down
[16:42] Speaker 3: and go, well, define the spiritual realm because he maintains
[16:46] Speaker 3: that it doesn't exist in any meaningful way, which is
[16:48] Speaker 3: like good good luck, good luck. That's like asking a
[16:51] Speaker 3: fish to define you know, air or something like that.
[16:55] Speaker 3: Like it's it's not gonna happen. It's something that we've
[16:58] Speaker 3: struggled with for the longest time. It's the backbone of
[17:01] Speaker 3: all of our mythology and our religious.
[17:04] Speaker 4: We know it's there, but yeah, bring your bring your receipts,
[17:07] Speaker 4: is what we were told him. Well, bring our supernatural,
[17:09] Speaker 4: bring our supernatural repeed.
[17:11] Speaker 2: Right.
[17:11] Speaker 4: Most of this, most of the show that we do
[17:13] Speaker 4: and you do, is kind of conjecture. It's like witness testimony.
[17:17] Speaker 4: I mean, sometimes we'll get solid information, but good luck
[17:20] Speaker 4: proving who killed JFK. Like, yeah, I'm not gonna be
[17:23] Speaker 4: able to have a video to trace the bullet that
[17:24] Speaker 4: goes through his neck, yeah, and which gun it came from,
[17:27] Speaker 4: who was holding It's like we can only point to evidence,
[17:30] Speaker 4: we can only kind of guess. Yeah, And he'll say,
[17:32] Speaker 4: rehire their visions, by the way, and it's like, you know, Chris,
[17:35] Speaker 4: You've had experiences, You've come on our show to talk
[17:37] Speaker 4: about those experiences. And if somebody lizardly in you and
[17:41] Speaker 4: stood in front of your face and said, no, the
[17:42] Speaker 4: thing that you had was strictly a vision, your inability
[17:47] Speaker 4: to articulate exactly what it was has nothing to do
[17:51] Speaker 4: with your ability to deny the simplicity of a vision.
[17:55] Speaker 4: It's like, no, no, no, this was more than a vision.
[17:57] Speaker 4: I may not have the vocabulary to tell you exactly
[18:00] Speaker 4: what happened, but I experienced something that was not a
[18:03] Speaker 4: nighttime hallucination or something like that. This was tangible, riding
[18:08] Speaker 4: the edge of physical and spiritual. Hard to define.
[18:11] Speaker 3: But this is what this guy's doing is he's stepping
[18:13] Speaker 3: up to the plate, ignoring the thousands of testimonies from
[18:16] Speaker 3: ABDUCTI victims and going, no, these are visions.
[18:19] Speaker 2: These are either.
[18:21] Speaker 3: Strictly happening in a physical sense, or you know, there's
[18:24] Speaker 3: there's something else going on. It's all in the mind
[18:26] Speaker 3: of the individual. And if you talk to them like
[18:28] Speaker 3: I said, they're going no, no, no. My spirit was
[18:32] Speaker 3: seemingly taken out of my body and transported elsewhere, and
[18:36] Speaker 3: within that elsewhere, there's still what seems to be physical
[18:40] Speaker 3: operations having you know, happening to the individual even though
[18:44] Speaker 3: it's their spirit form whatever you want to call it,
[18:46] Speaker 3: their actual form this or that they're still lying on
[18:49] Speaker 3: a table, they're still being operated on. It is a
[18:52] Speaker 3: very confusing phenomenon to throw that segment out of spirituality
[18:58] Speaker 3: and even you know, spread seeds of doubt on it
[19:01] Speaker 3: is like, dude, you've done that. This is a bulk
[19:04] Speaker 3: of the phenomenon, a bulk of the phenomenon, I would say.
[19:07] Speaker 4: And it's crazy how the timeframe in which just happens,
[19:10] Speaker 4: and it's really jarring to consider. Like me and David
[19:14] Speaker 4: are not in the sense we kind of are in
[19:17] Speaker 4: the center of it, not major players, but like again
[19:19] Speaker 4: thrown into this group of like yeah, I don't know,
[19:23] Speaker 4: maybe twenty people that are really trying to do weird stuff. So,
[19:27] Speaker 4: like this debate is happening right before disclosure, right before
[19:32] Speaker 4: we have the pod past or the boss.
[19:36] Speaker 2: The pod past.
[19:36] Speaker 3: This is right after age of disclosure, right after age
[19:39] Speaker 3: of disclosure, right before disclosure day. And so right now
[19:43] Speaker 3: today I don't know what's going to happen next tomorrow
[19:47] Speaker 3: with this phenomenon, but everybody is kind of moving and
[19:52] Speaker 3: pushing this bawl.
[19:53] Speaker 4: In a certain direction. Yeah, we're pushing it in the
[19:56] Speaker 4: direction of saying like, hey, be weary. These things look
[19:59] Speaker 4: like they have their spiritual entities with a malevolent nature.
[20:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. Other people are pushing in saying, I don't know,
[20:06] Speaker 2: let's look at this a little further. These things seem
[20:08] Speaker 2: to be physical. They're definitely not demons. What are they?
[20:10] Speaker 2: And it's kind of like, what are we doing here?
[20:13] Speaker 3: So to cap the Alberino thing, just to put it simply,
[20:16] Speaker 3: I do think he was, you know, in the know,
[20:19] Speaker 3: and then a lot of people suspect the disclosure was coming.
[20:21] Speaker 2: There was a lot of whispers. We all saw it
[20:22] Speaker 2: on the internet. It wasn't really a great secret to
[20:24] Speaker 2: any extent, and as we sit here, it's a very
[20:26] Speaker 2: slow rolling disclosure. But I think he knew where it
[20:29] Speaker 2: was going.
[20:30] Speaker 3: I think he wanted to be an important, you know,
[20:32] Speaker 3: figure in this discussion, and I think what he was
[20:36] Speaker 3: looking to do was have a moment that would be
[20:40] Speaker 3: viral and on X in particular, where a lot of
[20:43] Speaker 3: the dialogue happens to go.
[20:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, he did have the moment. It wasn't what he thought,
[20:47] Speaker 2: but we do tend to go viral, and so I
[20:50] Speaker 2: think he chose us because we seem to be retarded,
[20:54] Speaker 2: which is a fair assumption, and instead he got something
[20:57] Speaker 2: else entirely, and I think it was just an attempt
[20:59] Speaker 2: at good putlicity that turned into bad publicity. And I
[21:01] Speaker 2: think that's you see that.
[21:03] Speaker 4: You see the video recently of the India of course
[21:04] Speaker 4: as an Indian dude, and he's he's playing the flute
[21:07] Speaker 4: to the cobra and the cobra just bites him.
[21:09] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and the.
[21:10] Speaker 4: Guy like he's like ship, He's like, should I keep
[21:14] Speaker 4: playing the flute? And then he's like wait, I'm gonna
[21:16] Speaker 4: die and realized like that that's sort of what.
[21:19] Speaker 2: Happened, very similar, And then it's evident to me that
[21:22] Speaker 2: that was the case.
[21:23] Speaker 3: This was our suspicions. But then he goes on to
[21:25] Speaker 3: be on Rogan and all that sort of ship. So
[21:26] Speaker 3: this is exactly we said at the time. I think
[21:28] Speaker 3: he wants to get on Rogan. Fast forward up, he's
[21:32] Speaker 3: setting up, he's lining up a narrative. Yeah, and that's
[21:35] Speaker 3: his and that's fine, that's his talking point, his narrative.
[21:38] Speaker 3: I guess it just got like it got a little
[21:40] Speaker 3: personal because he was like jabbing personal insults, and then
[21:44] Speaker 3: when we did it better, he got sad about it,
[21:46] Speaker 3: but like things like you guys, are you guys are demons?
[21:49] Speaker 2: Not Christian? Christian? Tell him that we're not Christians.
[21:53] Speaker 3: He called a lot of people to tell him that
[21:55] Speaker 3: a lot of it, and then they called us and
[21:57] Speaker 3: they were like, why why is he telling not to
[22:00] Speaker 3: talk to you?
[22:00] Speaker 4: Yes, so yeah, yeah, very strange. And then he goes
[22:03] Speaker 4: on Rogan and he doesn't doesn't mention Jesus. See, I'm
[22:06] Speaker 4: just kind of like, that's interesting.
[22:07] Speaker 3: Well that's all to say, like how invested we actually
[22:10] Speaker 3: are in this narrative.
[22:11] Speaker 2: So let's get the boring crap out of the way.
[22:13] Speaker 1: Let me ask you, does Alberino believe that these entities
[22:17] Speaker 1: are our friends, they're here to help us or something.
[22:19] Speaker 3: That's a fascinating question, I asked him, because it seemed
[22:22] Speaker 3: to be he was indicating there was good ones and
[22:24] Speaker 3: maybe even neutral ones. And I asked him about that,
[22:27] Speaker 3: and he did kind of elaborate, and he used scripture
[22:30] Speaker 3: to back up this idea of them being neutral.
[22:33] Speaker 2: And what was the name of the either village.
[22:35] Speaker 3: Or as he puts it, the uh maras.
[22:39] Speaker 2: In the Bible.
[22:40] Speaker 4: I think in Judges Maras is a territory that God
[22:45] Speaker 4: asks for help to help the Israelites when they're being
[22:47] Speaker 4: attacked by Samari, I believe, and they were like, we're
[22:50] Speaker 4: going to remain neutral. So he goes, ah, see, look,
[22:53] Speaker 4: there are neutral entities in the Bible. But then like
[22:56] Speaker 4: a couple of scriptures later, it's like Maras is cursed.
[22:59] Speaker 3: They're judge for their neutrality. Yeah, because you are either
[23:01] Speaker 3: with me or against me. There is no neutrality.
[23:04] Speaker 2: Yea. Yeah.
[23:04] Speaker 4: So that's a point where again, if we're going to
[23:06] Speaker 4: argue scripturally through a biblical lens, which is what he
[23:10] Speaker 4: claims to do. Yeah, so then okay, cool, then let's
[23:12] Speaker 4: open up the book and we'll talk about that. There
[23:14] Speaker 4: is no in between this, no black or white. If
[23:16] Speaker 4: you are warm, you're going to be spit out of
[23:18] Speaker 4: his mouth.
[23:19] Speaker 3: And as far as I'm concerned, my pushback against any
[23:22] Speaker 3: idea of them being good or neutral. Now, people who
[23:24] Speaker 3: are listening to this show will say, I have had
[23:27] Speaker 3: plenty of positive experiences with these things. But what I
[23:31] Speaker 3: would say to that is the greater body of evidence
[23:34] Speaker 3: suggests that even the benign ones seem to be deceptive.
[23:39] Speaker 3: You know, over and over again throughout the history of
[23:41] Speaker 3: abductee testimony, people are chosen, let's say, with the good experience,
[23:46] Speaker 3: because obviously we all know the nightmare experience. Right, you're
[23:48] Speaker 3: taking against your will, You're paralyzed, You're filled with a
[23:50] Speaker 3: sense of dread. It feels demonic. By the way, a
[23:53] Speaker 3: great deal of these encounters stop in the name of
[23:55] Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. Not all of them do, but the fact
[23:57] Speaker 3: that any of them do should be a pin right
[24:00] Speaker 3: in the center of this entire phenomenon that says we
[24:02] Speaker 3: can't look past that, we need to address this, and
[24:04] Speaker 3: as long as that exists in this conversation, that we
[24:07] Speaker 3: need to continually keep it as a part of the conversation.
[24:10] Speaker 3: So there is a big negative side to it. Right,
[24:13] Speaker 3: you're operated on, you're terrified. You see these things. They
[24:16] Speaker 3: have big eyes. You know, they're showing you.
[24:18] Speaker 2: Oftentimes, if you don't do X, Y and Z, they'll
[24:20] Speaker 2: show you images and visions of your family being tormented
[24:23] Speaker 2: and murdered and all kinds of things.
[24:25] Speaker 3: There's a huge emotional leverage. They're taking children, they're impregnating women,
[24:28] Speaker 3: they're taking their pregnancies, they're creating the blaack eyed children phenomenon.
[24:32] Speaker 3: There's the hybridization program. It is a nightmare.
[24:34] Speaker 2: Okay, fine, push that to the side, because people are
[24:37] Speaker 2: listening to this and they're going.
[24:38] Speaker 3: Well, I've had positive ones. Throughout the positive ones, oftentimes
[24:43] Speaker 3: the theme is you are special, you are chosen. Right,
[24:46] Speaker 3: That helps greatly to alleviate the nightmare fueled anxiety that
[24:51] Speaker 3: you're feeling about being taken and all this other shit.
[24:54] Speaker 3: But you're special, You're chosen. The reason you're chosen is
[24:58] Speaker 3: because you have this. You're a star seed, You're an
[25:00] Speaker 3: indigo child, You're a special baby boy, which I think
[25:04] Speaker 3: is a ploy that works really well on human beings.
[25:07] Speaker 3: We really desperately want to be special, and I think
[25:10] Speaker 3: it's because we are, but we're confused about what the
[25:13] Speaker 3: nature of that specialness is, and so it's easily hijacked
[25:16] Speaker 3: and co opted. So you're special, you're chosen, You're a
[25:19] Speaker 3: star seed, and you're here to help the Earth.
[25:22] Speaker 2: Now, there's a number of ways you're gonna help the Earth.
[25:24] Speaker 3: You might help it to elevate its vibrational frequency, because
[25:29] Speaker 3: right now it's too low of a vibrational frequency, and
[25:32] Speaker 3: it's in the negatives and you need to help raise it,
[25:34] Speaker 3: or there's a coming calamity. And if you don't evangelize
[25:38] Speaker 3: on behalf of this experience. We're gonna tell you what
[25:41] Speaker 3: to tell people. We need to wake up, we need
[25:42] Speaker 3: to ascend, we need to overthrow these evil masterminds and overlords.
[25:46] Speaker 3: And if you do that, you can then sidestep these
[25:49] Speaker 3: coming calamities. Now, the thing about the calamities, Chris, is
[25:52] Speaker 3: that since the phenomenon has been recorded in any meaningful way,
[25:56] Speaker 3: they have changed all the time.
[25:58] Speaker 2: It is virtually no.
[26:00] Speaker 3: Different than what do you call it, like global warming
[26:03] Speaker 3: where they tell you that, like the ghosts.
[26:05] Speaker 2: Is actually one of them. Yeah, global warming is one
[26:08] Speaker 2: of them, you know. So it's pollution induced global warming,
[26:11] Speaker 2: it's nuclear war, world War three, the coming of an asteroid,
[26:16] Speaker 2: you name it, shifts, polar shifts, that's a great one.
[26:19] Speaker 2: The magnetic north and magnetic south becoming destabilized, and that
[26:23] Speaker 2: creates a great calamity. The thing is, we've been given dates.
[26:28] Speaker 2: So if you look at this phenomenon, you look at testimonially,
[26:30] Speaker 2: since the sixties and seventies and eighties, they've been giving
[26:33] Speaker 2: these people dates that it was going to come to
[26:35] Speaker 2: pass within their lifetime, and they had to go and evangelize.
[26:38] Speaker 2: And by the way, that evangelization is usually on behalf.
[26:40] Speaker 3: Of a Gnostic gospel. It is like, you know, it
[26:43] Speaker 3: used to not be so much about Jesus. These days
[26:45] Speaker 3: it's more about Jesus. But Jesus, isn't you know, the
[26:48] Speaker 3: Son of God come in the flesh to die for
[26:51] Speaker 3: our sins and then God resurrects him from the underworld.
[26:55] Speaker 2: Like that, isn't the Jesus that we get?
[26:57] Speaker 3: We get plead in Jesus arc toryan Jesus Christ's consciousness Jesus,
[27:01] Speaker 3: like you name it anything other than what the Bible says.
[27:05] Speaker 3: And that's because I think a lot of the times
[27:07] Speaker 3: they have to concede to Christ being real because people
[27:09] Speaker 3: have such intimate encounters with him that they have to
[27:12] Speaker 3: incorporate it into their narrative. But my point is their
[27:14] Speaker 3: narrative is constantly shifting. The Bible is super steady the
[27:18] Speaker 3: whole time. This narrative is constantly shifting. They're giving you
[27:21] Speaker 3: dates about when the title wave is coming. They're filling
[27:24] Speaker 3: you with dreams and visions about this coming calamity, and
[27:27] Speaker 3: then it just never comes to pass and the date
[27:30] Speaker 3: is always pushed back. It's almost like what we experience
[27:32] Speaker 3: here in Conspiracy Bill, right. I mean, how often have
[27:35] Speaker 3: we been given a date for a thing to come
[27:38] Speaker 3: to pass and then it just doesn't. It's really no
[27:41] Speaker 3: different than that. So their date setting is always wrong.
[27:45] Speaker 3: They always need to go and evangelize they use it.
[27:48] Speaker 3: So that's the positive side of the experience is you've
[27:51] Speaker 3: been chosen.
[27:52] Speaker 2: Here's where you're gonna save the world. You're gonna save
[27:55] Speaker 2: the world.
[27:55] Speaker 3: It is almost inherently on its face if you just
[27:58] Speaker 3: come out of your own ego for second and maybe
[28:01] Speaker 3: entertain the idea that, like, I could be being deceived.
[28:04] Speaker 3: No matter how bad we all want to be special,
[28:05] Speaker 3: we all want to save the world, I might be
[28:07] Speaker 3: being leveraged here and deceived. Come out of that and
[28:10] Speaker 3: look at it, and you go, oh my god, it's
[28:12] Speaker 3: not a great lie. And it's been changing for decades
[28:15] Speaker 3: and decades and decades.
[28:17] Speaker 1: Those external messages that people get about they're gonna save
[28:21] Speaker 1: the planet, they're special, they have something powerful to do
[28:25] Speaker 1: in this realm to help the rest of the planet.
[28:27] Speaker 1: Those are all massive red flags for me. I do
[28:31] Speaker 1: believe there is what may be considered positive contact experiences
[28:37] Speaker 1: with what I couldn't tell you. I can base it
[28:40] Speaker 1: off of my own experience. And the reason I think
[28:43] Speaker 1: it's different is because I was not told I'm going
[28:45] Speaker 1: to help the world, I'm going to do something massive
[28:49] Speaker 1: for anything or anyone else but myself. I was told
[28:53] Speaker 1: to stop banging toxic chicks, to stop being an asshole,
[28:57] Speaker 1: to start working on yourself, and to become a better person.
[29:02] Speaker 1: And that was the focus of any type of communication
[29:06] Speaker 1: that I ever had from something else. But when it
[29:09] Speaker 1: comes to your special and you have something to do
[29:13] Speaker 1: on the world stage, all these fantastical adventures that they
[29:17] Speaker 1: try and put people through, that is a huge red
[29:20] Speaker 1: flag and I think that is leading to some nefarious programming,
[29:25] Speaker 1: to say the least.
[29:26] Speaker 4: Yeah, so, did you have any Poldergeist activity afterward?
[29:31] Speaker 2: No?
[29:31] Speaker 4: Nothing, Okay, because we've heard I mean another story that
[29:35] Speaker 4: we've heard from somebody that's very similar comes to mind,
[29:37] Speaker 4: and then less than like two years later, Yeah, that's
[29:41] Speaker 4: like what he's being. We actually have to call him.
[29:44] Speaker 2: Yeahs if you listen to this show, you can go back.
[29:46] Speaker 2: What is episode for fifteen?
[29:50] Speaker 3: I think his name it's it's under upgraded for war
[29:53] Speaker 3: and it's this guy named Colin. And to make a
[29:56] Speaker 3: long story short of it, he hasn't experienced very similar this.
[30:00] Speaker 3: The intrusive voices telling him get his ship together, even
[30:03] Speaker 3: points him to to the church and he starts working.
[30:07] Speaker 2: Out, you know, but he has this odyssey, you know,
[30:12] Speaker 2: of of experiences with all these different entities, and and
[30:18] Speaker 2: so much of it sounds good. And he's telling us
[30:20] Speaker 2: and we're skeptical. You know. One of the things name
[30:22] Speaker 2: is Anu, which you know, is.
[30:24] Speaker 4: Actually mad at me because I guess he's because because
[30:26] Speaker 4: I said, yeah, I don't know if this is so good.
[30:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm like.
[30:30] Speaker 3: But now now he's not doing well. Now now things
[30:34] Speaker 3: are falling in And I'm not saying like, you know, I.
[30:36] Speaker 2: Think things happen in life too, but true, uh, I
[30:40] Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. But we we we will
[30:42] Speaker 2: talk to him. We're called to test the spirits. You know.
[30:45] Speaker 3: The Bible specifically says that even if an angel should
[30:48] Speaker 3: come to you preaching any other gospel than this one,
[30:50] Speaker 3: it's deceiving you, which is like, the reason that's in
[30:53] Speaker 3: the Bible is because yeah, that's gonna happen.
[30:55] Speaker 1: The first time that happened to me. That's the first
[30:57] Speaker 1: thing I did. I was ter that I was hearing
[31:01] Speaker 1: a voice. I said, in the name of Jesus Christ,
[31:03] Speaker 1: are you a demon? Are you hear from my greater Good?
[31:07] Speaker 1: And immediately before I could even finish that, it was
[31:11] Speaker 1: such a reassuring yes, and the love feeling that people report.
[31:16] Speaker 1: But just because I have only had very positive I
[31:20] Speaker 1: was never outsourced to different voices or beings or told
[31:24] Speaker 1: to communicate with different things. It was always this constant,
[31:27] Speaker 1: seeming like my own voice, but with an outside perspective
[31:33] Speaker 1: on some of the bullshit that I was doing. So
[31:35] Speaker 1: I was never passed off to other entities. The focus
[31:39] Speaker 1: remained on things that I need to internally work on,
[31:43] Speaker 1: and it never led me on any odyssey adventures or
[31:45] Speaker 1: anything like that. I did get inspired to make movies,
[31:48] Speaker 1: but that's been nothing but beneficial for me. So that's
[31:51] Speaker 1: where I'm coming from.
[31:53] Speaker 2: I think that's that sounds great, man.
[31:54] Speaker 3: I mean, the Bible specifically tells us too, just test
[31:57] Speaker 3: the fruits of the spirit. Those people are in contact
[32:00] Speaker 3: with all kinds of things all the time, but you
[32:01] Speaker 3: look at their life and it's in disarray. They're addicted
[32:04] Speaker 3: to drugs and their relationships are in the toilet and
[32:07] Speaker 3: their houses in disorder. I think that that's a good
[32:11] Speaker 3: sign if you can look at your life and say,
[32:13] Speaker 3: by all these measures, the fruit that comes from this
[32:15] Speaker 3: is good. And then of course, you know, if it's
[32:18] Speaker 3: answering in the name of Jesus Christ, which these things
[32:20] Speaker 3: are compelled to. We have authority to tread on scorpions
[32:23] Speaker 3: and sword prints, and they have to they bend the
[32:25] Speaker 3: need of Jesus's name, which a lot of New age
[32:28] Speaker 3: people will look at that and say, like, yeah, that's true,
[32:30] Speaker 3: But that's just like almost like an abracadabra.
[32:32] Speaker 4: You know, they're saying that, like your intention behind the
[32:35] Speaker 4: words has the meaning, not the entity behind the words,
[32:38] Speaker 4: if you're to just believe what scripture says. But this
[32:40] Speaker 4: is where I'm at with this show. The more I've seen,
[32:42] Speaker 4: and this might get me in trouble later on, But
[32:47] Speaker 4: I look at angels and I go, ain't shit, And
[32:51] Speaker 4: people go, WHOA, we gotta like respect them. I'm like,
[32:53] Speaker 4: I know, But when you read about angels and what
[32:56] Speaker 4: they do and what they are, specifically the bad angels
[32:59] Speaker 4: who are out of God's grace for accepting the worship
[33:02] Speaker 4: of mankind. They're vile, they're wicked, they'll do whatever they're
[33:06] Speaker 4: judged very harshly. The good angels that are still in
[33:09] Speaker 4: God's grace have particular jobs, and the jobs that they're
[33:13] Speaker 4: going to have for us are mainly going to be
[33:16] Speaker 4: angel messenger. Like their title is elohem. That means like
[33:20] Speaker 4: the designation of where they come from the heavens. But
[33:23] Speaker 4: a messenger, one that's going to tell you a thing
[33:25] Speaker 4: is an angel. That's what that word means. And if
[33:29] Speaker 4: you're a messenger, my dad worked for the post office.
[33:32] Speaker 4: He's a great guy, but he's a post office worker.
[33:36] Speaker 4: Thanks for the male that's really So they're like, oh,
[33:40] Speaker 4: that's disrespectful to angels. I was like, yeah, I know,
[33:42] Speaker 4: he can probably cut me in half with his sort
[33:45] Speaker 4: of fire or whatever. But guess what, you can't because
[33:48] Speaker 4: you if you're taking direct orders from God, then that's
[33:52] Speaker 4: what you have to do. Once you disobey God, you're out.
[33:54] Speaker 4: That means that you're a bad angel. So the level
[33:57] Speaker 4: of respect that I have would be like cool, It's like,
[34:02] Speaker 4: what do you got to say? Like Elijah in the Bible,
[34:05] Speaker 4: Elijah is sleeping. He's kind of depressed because he's been
[34:08] Speaker 4: pushed out to the outskirts of town. Everyone wants to
[34:10] Speaker 4: kill him, and God sends him an angel to comfort him,
[34:14] Speaker 4: and the angel makes him breakfast, and Elijah is sleeping,
[34:18] Speaker 4: turns around, sees the angel, and then goes back to sleep,
[34:23] Speaker 4: because that's how in tune he is with the spiritual realm.
[34:26] Speaker 2: I'm watching it.
[34:26] Speaker 3: I'm kind, I'm understanding. This is a dude who's talking
[34:29] Speaker 3: directly to God if the Bible is to be believed, obviously,
[34:33] Speaker 3: and when he encounters an angel, everyone else in the Bible,
[34:36] Speaker 3: when they encounter an angel, they fall on their face
[34:38] Speaker 3: because of how crazy this thing looks, how powerful its
[34:40] Speaker 3: presence is. And the angel, if it's good, will say,
[34:43] Speaker 3: get up, don't do that, don't worship me. I know
[34:46] Speaker 3: that you're gonna be inclined to don't do that. You're
[34:48] Speaker 3: gonna get me in trouble. And then they will like
[34:51] Speaker 3: Daniel passes out right in his face.
[34:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. Times.
[34:54] Speaker 3: Joshua who comes across the angel it's in the river, right,
[34:57] Speaker 3: and he says, are you for me or against me?
[34:59] Speaker 3: Or are you for us or against us? And the
[35:02] Speaker 3: angels like, I'm not for you or against I'm for God.
[35:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. They're doing their own doing my job exactly.
[35:08] Speaker 4: So I like, I think the best way And this
[35:10] Speaker 4: kind of goes back to aliens as well, like how
[35:13] Speaker 4: we how should we approach and treat these spiritual entities elohem,
[35:19] Speaker 4: supernatural entities, whatever you want to call them. How what's
[35:22] Speaker 4: our disposition toward them? And for me, it's a form
[35:25] Speaker 4: of indifference and almost borderline disrespect, like Okay, I see
[35:31] Speaker 4: what you're doing. You have a job to do.
[35:34] Speaker 2: Do your job? Does that involve me? Thank you? No
[35:38] Speaker 2: more business here.
[35:39] Speaker 3: That's the That is the kind of line that we
[35:41] Speaker 3: need to we need to draw very clear and dark
[35:44] Speaker 3: and with with aliens.
[35:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, per se, Well what are they? You don't know?
[35:50] Speaker 4: I mean if they are of the of a demonic nature,
[35:52] Speaker 4: if they are of a malevolent nature, there's my line.
[35:56] Speaker 4: We don't need to know much more here. You know
[35:57] Speaker 4: where to classify them and talk about how many different
[36:00] Speaker 4: they come in fascinating great for a show. If I
[36:03] Speaker 4: see one in real life or if the government discloses
[36:06] Speaker 4: them to me, I know which side of the line
[36:08] Speaker 4: they're on. Yeah, so I know what to believe and
[36:10] Speaker 4: what not to believe. It's that ability to draw a
[36:13] Speaker 4: line though. Imagine, imagine now I'm so really quick, doctor
[36:17] Speaker 4: Fauci comes out and he tells you, hey, man, we've
[36:19] Speaker 4: got a great new cure for the next thing that
[36:22] Speaker 4: ails you.
[36:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, You're gonna go.
[36:25] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, let me hear you out like no, yeah,
[36:27] Speaker 4: I will not hear a word you say. Yeah, because
[36:29] Speaker 4: I've heard all the lies before that. That's the line,
[36:33] Speaker 4: very simple. We keep it moving, play it yeah.
[36:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[36:35] Speaker 3: People have a hard time drawing that line because we
[36:37] Speaker 3: don't have much of a scaffolding for the understanding of
[36:40] Speaker 3: spiritual phenomenon or the spiritual realm. So when something happens,
[36:44] Speaker 3: because we live in this materialistic paradigm, it's so amazing
[36:48] Speaker 3: that we go like, how do I interact with this?
[36:50] Speaker 3: There's so many questions, in so much poking and prodding.
[36:53] Speaker 3: Maybe it is fair to say if we had an understanding,
[36:56] Speaker 3: especially a biblical one, of spiritual entities when we had
[37:00] Speaker 3: those encounters, we might behave more like Elijah right where
[37:02] Speaker 3: it's like, okay, thank you very much, keep it moving.
[37:06] Speaker 2: But instead, because it's time breakfast.
[37:09] Speaker 3: But since it's so new and there's no framework for it,
[37:13] Speaker 3: we become obsessed with it. And we poke and we prod,
[37:15] Speaker 3: but we're doing it in the dark, and we're doing
[37:17] Speaker 3: it in a way that provokes a bunch of legal
[37:19] Speaker 3: ramifications that we don't really understand.
[37:22] Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the alien propaganda that we've
[37:26] Speaker 1: been subjected to as of late. Ever since the earliest
[37:30] Speaker 1: days of the New Age movement, there have been sprinkling
[37:35] Speaker 1: information about our space brothers into the collective consciousness. We
[37:42] Speaker 1: have UFO files that are being released by the government
[37:45] Speaker 1: right now. And the other day I wasted two hours
[37:50] Speaker 1: of my life. I actually fell asleep towards the end.
[37:52] Speaker 1: I didn't even finish it, trying to watch this alien
[37:56] Speaker 1: propaganda movie, this movie to try and get us to
[37:59] Speaker 1: believe that these space brothers are here to help us
[38:03] Speaker 1: and guide humanity and save the planet. But it was
[38:06] Speaker 1: one of the most god awful movies I've ever seen.
[38:09] Speaker 1: Like I said, I fell asleep. I didn't pay attention
[38:11] Speaker 1: as much as I'd like to, but I saw enough
[38:14] Speaker 1: to know what it's all about. I know you guys
[38:16] Speaker 1: saw it too. What are your thoughts?
[38:20] Speaker 3: So you know right off the bat, I happen to
[38:22] Speaker 3: have like two pages of notes on it because I
[38:24] Speaker 3: watched and decided to break out the notebook. But one
[38:26] Speaker 3: of the things that I thought was really fascinating is
[38:28] Speaker 3: from the jump they introduced this Project Monarch element. I
[38:32] Speaker 3: don't know if you remember this, if you were asleep
[38:34] Speaker 3: for it, but I saw how they introduced the weather Woman.
[38:37] Speaker 3: The very first thing that precedes her appearing on screen
[38:40] Speaker 3: is her wallpaper that's covered in butterflies, which you know
[38:43] Speaker 3: Hollywood loves to do that. That's usually you can go, oh,
[38:45] Speaker 3: I think I know where we're going, and then you
[38:48] Speaker 3: know she's the lady in red. A lot of there's
[38:50] Speaker 3: a lot of like divine feminine going on. They make
[38:53] Speaker 3: even another female character, a Christ's character. There's actually two
[38:57] Speaker 3: female characters that play A Christ's character is the weather
[39:00] Speaker 3: Woman and the Nun, the former Nun. But you know,
[39:04] Speaker 3: Project Monarch is sort of the entertainment wing of MK Ultra,
[39:09] Speaker 3: so you might understand it as the thing that's responsible
[39:14] Speaker 3: for like when Katie Perry has a robotic meltdown on
[39:17] Speaker 3: stage where her eye starts twitching and she starts kind
[39:21] Speaker 3: of spazzing out like a robot, or you know any
[39:25] Speaker 3: of those big celebrity melts.
[39:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, Wendy Williams thank you, man.
[39:29] Speaker 3: I couldn't call her big Foot because he looks like yeah,
[39:32] Speaker 3: and that's very rude, mildly racist. So there was, uh
[39:37] Speaker 3: this idea that Project Monarch once mk Ultra figured out
[39:42] Speaker 3: how to program an individual after causing a state of disassociation,
[39:48] Speaker 3: you know, a bunch of different ways with its psychedelics
[39:50] Speaker 3: or trauma or combination. A bunch of things come from
[39:54] Speaker 3: that disassociation. One of them is the ability to program, right,
[39:57] Speaker 3: so you get your majury and candidates from that, but
[39:59] Speaker 3: you also get influencers, high level celebrity influencers, and then
[40:03] Speaker 3: they will routinely have magnificent meltdowns in the public eye
[40:07] Speaker 3: Britney spears or something like that. So they have these
[40:09] Speaker 3: really powerful cultural leaders and then every once in a
[40:12] Speaker 3: while they go off the reservation and they freak out.
[40:15] Speaker 2: So that is all Project Monarch.
[40:18] Speaker 3: It's kind of under that's their celebrity wing of the
[40:20] Speaker 3: brainwashing programs. And sure enough, after they introduce the character
[40:26] Speaker 3: with the Project Monarch symbolism, she goes on stage and
[40:29] Speaker 3: has this robotic meltdown, right, she starts freaking out. She's
[40:33] Speaker 3: speaking in a different language and you know, can't control herself.
[40:35] Speaker 3: So I thought that was really funny. You know, another
[40:38] Speaker 3: thing that pops up really early is within the Christian community,
[40:42] Speaker 3: you would imagine that psychic phenomenon is actually mostly I'm
[40:46] Speaker 3: not saying that God can't give you gifts and you
[40:48] Speaker 3: can't perceive a thing the gift of prophecy or to
[40:50] Speaker 3: be you know, cueued into something that is beyond the
[40:53] Speaker 3: physical tangible. But this in the world of claravoyance and psychics,
[40:59] Speaker 3: I think a great deal of it is communication between
[41:03] Speaker 3: familiar spirits. So you have at any given time these
[41:05] Speaker 3: spirits that have watching over you, that have watched your life,
[41:07] Speaker 3: that understand humans really well because they're ancient, that understand
[41:10] Speaker 3: your life really well, and they're communicating with somebody else's spirits,
[41:14] Speaker 3: and these things are whispering in the ears of both individuals.
[41:17] Speaker 3: I think it's fascinating that the guy she has a
[41:19] Speaker 3: relationship with, her boyfriend, the weather woman's boyfriend in the film,
[41:23] Speaker 3: has a shirt that says freak Kings and it's got
[41:27] Speaker 3: a demon on it. And if you look up freak
[41:28] Speaker 3: Kings LLC on Google, it's a band that I'm sure
[41:32] Speaker 3: has gotten no rub from the show. We actually no,
[41:34] Speaker 3: it's a wrestling group that has gotten no rub from
[41:37] Speaker 3: the show whatsoever.
[41:38] Speaker 2: But all their phone numbers, their locations, their addresses that
[41:42] Speaker 2: are there in their contact information. It's all six six
[41:45] Speaker 2: y six West.
[41:46] Speaker 3: Street, New York City, or you know, their phone number
[41:49] Speaker 3: is six sixty six six six six six chips.
[41:51] Speaker 2: So that's all done on purpose. This is Spielberg, right.
[41:54] Speaker 3: Spielberg does not put anything in his films that's not intentional.
[41:58] Speaker 3: And then of course you have the other element that
[42:00] Speaker 3: is the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the chosen
[42:04] Speaker 3: religious establishment that's going to be not only sympathetic to
[42:08] Speaker 3: the alien phenomenon, but is going to be there as
[42:11] Speaker 3: the thing that's going to hold the religious person's hand.
[42:14] Speaker 3: As you watch this film, you know you're gonna be
[42:16] Speaker 3: alleviated a little bit if you're Christian or Catholic, because
[42:18] Speaker 3: you're going, okay, well, look the Catholic nuns, which once
[42:21] Speaker 3: again it's you know, leaning on this divine feminine aspect.
[42:24] Speaker 3: Nothing of Jesus or anything like that, but the nuns
[42:27] Speaker 3: they've got it figured out, which is good. Another little
[42:31] Speaker 3: interesting tidbit I thought is the car that she's driving
[42:34] Speaker 3: the weather woman throughout the entire film is the Alpha Romeo,
[42:37] Speaker 3: which the audience killed me by the but I was
[42:39] Speaker 3: calling it the Alpha Romero. I didn't know that it
[42:42] Speaker 3: was pronounced Romeo in all of our comments are like
[42:44] Speaker 3: you love an idiots. But Alpha Romeo is a fascinating car.
[42:48] Speaker 3: Number one, it's red, so she's constantly in a red dress.
[42:51] Speaker 3: She's driving the red car. The cardinal is red, like
[42:54] Speaker 3: the Cardinal that appears throughout the film. There's a lot
[42:56] Speaker 3: of red, which is like the woman in Red. You know,
[42:58] Speaker 3: are we talking about like Babylon like this this, you know,
[43:01] Speaker 3: this great horror, the scarlet woman. And the symbol for
[43:06] Speaker 3: an Alpha Romeo is a giant serpent eating a man
[43:11] Speaker 3: who was just and there's a cross, so there's a
[43:13] Speaker 3: red cross, a man being devoured by a serpent, and
[43:16] Speaker 3: a crown over the serpent. So you know, use your
[43:20] Speaker 3: imagination and how that applies to Jesus Christ and the
[43:23] Speaker 3: cross and the seed of the serpent and Satan and
[43:25] Speaker 3: all these different things. This is her vehicle, her chariot
[43:28] Speaker 3: for the entire film. So there is a lot of
[43:32] Speaker 3: fun symbolism throughout it, but ultimately the great.
[43:35] Speaker 2: Subversion is not really that hidden. You don't need to
[43:38] Speaker 2: be some weird sleuth.
[43:40] Speaker 3: You know, I can't watch movies anymore, Chris, not without
[43:42] Speaker 3: looking at all the shit in the background, and then
[43:44] Speaker 3: trying to tell my wife, who simply does not give
[43:46] Speaker 3: a shit. Uh, She's like, can I just watch the slop?
[43:50] Speaker 3: Can I enjoy this slap? I'm very sorry. So the
[43:53] Speaker 3: big punch to the gut is not very subversive or
[43:57] Speaker 3: not very hidden. At least, it's incredibly subversive, not very subliminal.
[44:01] Speaker 3: And what happens is you have this moment where they
[44:05] Speaker 3: finally reveal that the butterfly is in another place. It
[44:11] Speaker 3: is on the wallpaper of the main character's childhood home,
[44:15] Speaker 3: which they've recreated to try to have access to her
[44:19] Speaker 3: childhood alien experience. Now, what's interesting about that is going
[44:23] Speaker 3: back to the Project Monarch thing her childhood home, the
[44:28] Speaker 3: walls are covered in the butterfly. It is the scene
[44:30] Speaker 3: of her trauma, right, trauma based mind control. The trauma
[44:35] Speaker 3: that she experienced in this room is the abduction. So
[44:39] Speaker 3: they're trying to do a sort of high level regressive
[44:43] Speaker 3: hypnosis to go back to this moment in this woman's
[44:45] Speaker 3: childhood so she can remember when she was abducted and
[44:48] Speaker 3: also made a special girl. That's when they made her
[44:51] Speaker 3: a special girl. They gave her the gifts that she
[44:53] Speaker 3: has now. She was chosen, just like we were talking
[44:55] Speaker 3: about earlier. And there's a guy by the way that
[45:00] Speaker 3: is also very unique like her. And it turns out
[45:03] Speaker 3: that she and he were both abducted the same time
[45:07] Speaker 3: and saw each other when they were children on the
[45:09] Speaker 3: operating table. So the subversive part comes in when like
[45:13] Speaker 3: she's starting to remember and she's a little girl in
[45:16] Speaker 3: bed and suddenly these wonderful Disney esque sort of animal
[45:20] Speaker 3: characters come up and interact with her, and they say, well,
[45:22] Speaker 3: these are just disguises that they use so that you'll
[45:25] Speaker 3: feel more comfortable. Interestingly enough, I believe she starts humming
[45:28] Speaker 3: a Disney song in order to calm herself, which is
[45:31] Speaker 3: you know, pretty apt given Disney's job as the Great
[45:36] Speaker 3: Ssiop mechanism for children. And she follows the animals out
[45:41] Speaker 3: of her house into a beautiful fairy tale Hansoling Gretel home,
[45:46] Speaker 3: which is interesting because they even call it that. That's
[45:48] Speaker 3: where you go to get devoured by the witch, ye right,
[45:51] Speaker 3: But it's the Hansoling Gretel house and she loves it,
[45:54] Speaker 3: so she goes inside and all of a sudden, the
[45:59] Speaker 3: house melts away in she's on a cold operating table.
[46:02] Speaker 2: She's filled with fear, but this moment is very brief. Dude,
[46:07] Speaker 2: She's filled with fear.
[46:08] Speaker 3: But then she looks over and sees the boy that
[46:11] Speaker 3: she was also abducted with, and she holds hands with
[46:14] Speaker 3: him and they calm each other down.
[46:16] Speaker 2: Then the operation begins or whatever.
[46:18] Speaker 3: And dude, they just mole past that next thing. You know,
[46:22] Speaker 3: the Grays are the good guys. They've been working with.
[46:25] Speaker 2: These children, just like whoa.
[46:27] Speaker 4: Not just the Grays are the good guys, but it's
[46:29] Speaker 4: inferred that we are bad.
[46:30] Speaker 3: Yes, we're bad, and the Grays are the heroes and
[46:35] Speaker 3: they're working with children.
[46:36] Speaker 4: It's like, I just watched one of these guys rape
[46:38] Speaker 4: her right, pretty sure.
[46:40] Speaker 3: They had all kinds of apparatus coming down to like
[46:42] Speaker 3: drill into her face or whatever the fuck was going on.
[46:46] Speaker 2: But the Grays are the good guys. They come in
[46:50] Speaker 2: the night, they take our children, and then they burden
[46:56] Speaker 2: our children with glorious purpose to go and be some
[47:00] Speaker 2: savior figures. And there's nothing about the intense feeling of
[47:05] Speaker 2: doom the state of paralysis where it feels like your
[47:09] Speaker 2: body's being electrocuted. The things that.
[47:12] Speaker 3: People explain, I've experienced something. I'm not gonna say that
[47:15] Speaker 3: I'm an experiencer. My grandmother was an abductee victim, and
[47:20] Speaker 3: I think it's all comes from generational iniquity.
[47:22] Speaker 2: She was practicing in the occult. You know.
[47:24] Speaker 3: One of her daughters was full blown schizophrenic, which I
[47:26] Speaker 3: think is a spiritual disposition and not a psychological one.
[47:31] Speaker 2: If you go down the bloodline.
[47:32] Speaker 3: My family's all, you know, screwed up, and half of
[47:35] Speaker 3: them are doing New Age shit. And I've had my
[47:38] Speaker 3: own experiences, and I could tell you that even though
[47:41] Speaker 3: I was paralyzed, I still had my senses about me
[47:43] Speaker 3: until all of a sudden something happened and I was
[47:46] Speaker 3: filled with an unbelievable sense of doom and dread, a
[47:51] Speaker 3: fear that is far in excess of anything I've ever
[47:54] Speaker 3: felt in.
[47:55] Speaker 2: My waking life. And I've been through all kinds of shit, dude.
[47:58] Speaker 2: I've been in situations with the cops, and I've been
[48:00] Speaker 2: in situations with wild animals, and I've been you know,
[48:03] Speaker 2: jumped in the streets and all that.
[48:04] Speaker 3: Nothing has ever evoked the feeling of fear. It feels
[48:08] Speaker 3: like something is coming for your soul when this happens.
[48:11] Speaker 3: That's not a unique descriptive. That is all over the
[48:14] Speaker 3: abductee testimony. So somehow they remove.
[48:18] Speaker 2: This thing that is like, it would struggle to call
[48:21] Speaker 2: it anything else but demonic. The entire experience is demonic.
[48:24] Speaker 2: You're being taken against your will. Like I said, they're
[48:26] Speaker 2: inseminating women, the whole black Eyed children phenomenon.
[48:30] Speaker 4: You've also consented in a way, like by entering that house,
[48:33] Speaker 4: even though it's oh yeah, through trickery, she had to
[48:37] Speaker 4: step forward and enter.
[48:38] Speaker 3: I think that the reason they have access to kids
[48:41] Speaker 3: to that degree, because it's like, what great sin could
[48:43] Speaker 3: a child commit that would give.
[48:45] Speaker 2: These things access? Because it's all spiritual and legal.
[48:48] Speaker 3: In my opinion, it's generational iniquity, the sins of the fathers,
[48:52] Speaker 3: the sins of your ancestors being passed down. Can we
[48:55] Speaker 3: have already paid the debt for or rather Jesus Christ
[48:57] Speaker 3: has paid the debt for those sins, but you still
[48:59] Speaker 3: need to call on it. If you don't do that,
[49:01] Speaker 3: you're still going to have a lifetime of all kinds
[49:03] Speaker 3: of wonky shit. So I think that explains why children
[49:05] Speaker 3: can have these experiences. But they glossed over it, dude.
[49:09] Speaker 3: They made it seem like, well, there's like a little
[49:10] Speaker 3: bit of fear, but then like it's okay then and
[49:13] Speaker 3: then you know you're given your special mission, your special
[49:16] Speaker 3: boy shit.
[49:17] Speaker 2: You know, it's like, no, dude, these experiences are fucking horrifying, horrifying.
[49:23] Speaker 3: Half the time, they're doing some sort of invasive operation
[49:25] Speaker 3: on you. You know, they're implanting you with frequency conducting
[49:30] Speaker 3: objects so that you can more than likely, I think,
[49:33] Speaker 3: perceive them more clearly in the future. If they want
[49:35] Speaker 3: to have telepathic communications with you, I think they do
[49:37] Speaker 3: that through frequency. If they implant a small metal device
[49:40] Speaker 3: in you, a conductive metal device in you, it enables
[49:44] Speaker 3: you to tune into that frequency a little bit more
[49:46] Speaker 3: easily and you know, perceive them.
[49:48] Speaker 2: They do all probably for tracking you and all kinds
[49:51] Speaker 2: of shit.
[49:51] Speaker 3: They do horrifying things, and that's not at all what
[49:55] Speaker 3: this thing shows. It shows a brief moment of fear.
[49:58] Speaker 3: It's like you're going to the dentist, you know what
[50:01] Speaker 3: I mean, and like you're a scared kid who who
[50:04] Speaker 3: doesn't like the drills, and then the dentist goes, hey,
[50:07] Speaker 3: it's gonna be okay, and before you know it, the
[50:09] Speaker 3: operation's over and you're giving a lollipop and the dentist
[50:13] Speaker 3: is the good guy. It's like, that's what they did
[50:15] Speaker 3: to the alien gray, the abducting, raping, impregnating, demonic thing
[50:23] Speaker 3: that seems to cower at the name of Jesus Christ,
[50:26] Speaker 3: by the way, which is very very consistent throughout these experiences.
[50:31] Speaker 2: So you know, I would.
[50:32] Speaker 3: Say, out of all the subliminal messaging, it's all fun
[50:36] Speaker 3: and I like it, and they like looking at all
[50:38] Speaker 3: the monarch this and whatever. But like that was right
[50:41] Speaker 3: on its face, the most obvious thing ever where they
[50:44] Speaker 3: tried to just slap a band aid on the experience.
[50:46] Speaker 2: It's like this, so wait, wait, wait, the parents are cool.
[50:50] Speaker 2: This is never the parents never come into play, right.
[50:52] Speaker 2: You're just taking my fucking kid. You're taking my kid
[50:55] Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, and you're putting them
[50:57] Speaker 2: on an operating table and you're giving them a mission.
[51:00] Speaker 1: As it relates to the intrusive operations and experiments people
[51:05] Speaker 1: go through, it's difficult for some to make the demon
[51:10] Speaker 1: connection because they're using technology and they associate that with
[51:16] Speaker 1: extraterrestrials are something that has capability to build some kind
[51:21] Speaker 1: of technology, and I think that's a difficult crossover for
[51:24] Speaker 1: some people to get past.
[51:27] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's they are the one to one crossover again
[51:30] Speaker 4: if you look, if you look at in the correct places.
[51:32] Speaker 4: So if we're talking about Ezekiel's wheel, if we're talking
[51:35] Speaker 4: about Elijah going up in a chariot of fire, or
[51:38] Speaker 4: other supernatural instances in the Bible that are correlated to angels,
[51:42] Speaker 4: the sword that is in front of the Garden of
[51:44] Speaker 4: Eden that turns, that turns every direction so that nobody
[51:48] Speaker 4: can pass it.
[51:49] Speaker 2: What is what are these things? Yeah? These are this
[51:52] Speaker 2: is technology. It's it's what it is.
[51:54] Speaker 4: It's technology described by you know, ancient humans, and they
[51:58] Speaker 4: had no they it's not that they had no verbia,
[52:00] Speaker 4: but they're using the verbiage that would be common for
[52:02] Speaker 4: their time, the same way we would use Oh, it's
[52:04] Speaker 4: a piece of metal flying through the air.
[52:06] Speaker 2: Well.
[52:06] Speaker 4: I don't know if this con continues for another five
[52:09] Speaker 4: hundred years, people might call it something different, but I
[52:11] Speaker 4: have a feeling that it's the same thing that we
[52:13] Speaker 4: be describing. Yeah, so if this is angelic technology, if
[52:17] Speaker 4: this is uh, it's correct. If it's inspired or created
[52:24] Speaker 4: by God as tools for these lohem to use in
[52:28] Speaker 4: order to either interact with us or whatever they're doing,
[52:32] Speaker 4: then it stands the reason that the fallen angels or
[52:35] Speaker 4: the ones that are bad would be using and have
[52:39] Speaker 4: access to similar or the same technology.
[52:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[52:42] Speaker 3: And if they didn't have access to it, I think
[52:43] Speaker 3: what they would do is whisper in the ears.
[52:45] Speaker 2: And re build it. Yeah.
[52:46] Speaker 4: Again, these elohem that were in the grace of God
[52:50] Speaker 4: know how to do these things, which is why when
[52:52] Speaker 4: you read Enoch when they when they teach the humans,
[52:54] Speaker 4: they teach humans, but they teach them rudimentary forms of
[52:57] Speaker 4: these things. As and as we progress a little bit
[53:00] Speaker 4: more and more, until you end up with, you know,
[53:02] Speaker 4: the latest iteration of something like this, the latest iteration
[53:04] Speaker 4: of a scrying mirror.
[53:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that's what it is.
[53:07] Speaker 4: This is like downloaded technology that somebody put into reality.
[53:13] Speaker 1: From described experiences, it does seem that the astral realm,
[53:18] Speaker 1: the spiritual realm, whatever you want to call it, is
[53:20] Speaker 1: a reflection of the material realm, and what is occurring
[53:24] Speaker 1: there directly connects with what's occurring here. And most likely,
[53:28] Speaker 1: if we're building physical technology in this material realm, beings
[53:33] Speaker 1: are probably building spiritual technology in that realm as well.
[53:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where you get that sort of it's a
[53:40] Speaker 3: new age or occulted terminology, but it is in accurate
[53:46] Speaker 3: observation as above, so below has in heaven, so on earth, right,
[53:51] Speaker 3: the fractal nature of reality. You're describing the Arc of
[53:53] Speaker 3: the Covenant as well. The Ark of the Covenant was
[53:55] Speaker 3: like basically a nuclear weapon that the Jews or the
[53:58] Speaker 3: Hebrews were using, and people were terrified of it to
[54:01] Speaker 3: the point where like if somebody touched it that and
[54:03] Speaker 3: they didn't have a right to touch it if they
[54:05] Speaker 3: weren't of the correct bloodline, they just dropped dead. But
[54:07] Speaker 3: the Ark of the Covenant is is too specification. What
[54:12] Speaker 3: was in heaven, they recreated it below and then filled
[54:15] Speaker 3: it with the sat with some of these sacraments, like
[54:17] Speaker 3: a great example.
[54:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, the.
[54:20] Speaker 4: Stones, the Ten Commandments are in there, the the wafer,
[54:24] Speaker 4: the manner from heaven, that felt that's in there. So
[54:27] Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, it's it's built a specification. But when
[54:30] Speaker 4: I look at it rather than a sacred artifact, I
[54:33] Speaker 4: look at it as technology.
[54:35] Speaker 2: It was inspired, it was downloaded and it was.
[54:38] Speaker 4: These guys were given exact measurements and exact uh materials
[54:43] Speaker 4: in which to create this with and they did and
[54:45] Speaker 4: this year was powerful. So yeah, there, there, there's technology.
[54:49] Speaker 4: I mean, it's whatever. These these heavenly entities do use technology,
[54:54] Speaker 4: and there's no.
[54:54] Speaker 2: Shortage of that.
[54:55] Speaker 3: By the way, if you if you look into half
[54:57] Speaker 3: of the really groundbreaking uh inventions or anything like that,
[55:01] Speaker 3: how often do you come across somebody saying like it
[55:03] Speaker 3: just kind of.
[55:04] Speaker 2: Came to me. And some people are a little bit
[55:06] Speaker 2: more keen, they'll say it came to me in like
[55:07] Speaker 2: a downloaw.
[55:08] Speaker 4: We were talking about the creation of the telephone the
[55:11] Speaker 4: other day, Yeah, and they're just like joking down funny.
[55:14] Speaker 4: It was like it was created somewhere in England, I think,
[55:16] Speaker 4: but at the same time, simultaneously it's created in China.
[55:19] Speaker 2: There's something like that.
[55:20] Speaker 3: I don't even know it was in the same country,
[55:22] Speaker 3: but it was like great distances and within this scene
[55:25] Speaker 3: they had.
[55:26] Speaker 2: To phone call each other.
[55:28] Speaker 1: Yeah a hundredth monkey shit.
[55:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, like what a hilarious idea is, Like, yeah, you
[55:32] Speaker 3: need two people to simultaneously create this, because who's going
[55:34] Speaker 3: to pick up the other end, which is like, you know.
[55:36] Speaker 2: That's it's like a joke. I'm sure it's that same
[55:39] Speaker 2: idea kind of go, but no, it's true.
[55:41] Speaker 4: It was because I was talking about some new idea
[55:44] Speaker 4: for an invention that I had and I said, I
[55:45] Speaker 4: said it to my wife and we're talking about I
[55:47] Speaker 4: was like, that means it's out there, you got to
[55:49] Speaker 4: do anybody's going to start doing this shit soon. Yeah,
[55:51] Speaker 4: because like I've already said a thing, and that's pretty
[55:54] Speaker 4: much how it works. You'll you'll see that all the time,
[55:56] Speaker 4: like you have this great idea, all of a sudden,
[55:58] Speaker 4: somebody's doing it.
[55:59] Speaker 2: Yep, if you didn't move on it. But it's more
[56:01] Speaker 2: observable within art.
[56:02] Speaker 4: I think within art, I was going to come back
[56:04] Speaker 4: to that, like meso American art is depicting dragons, and
[56:07] Speaker 4: so is Chinese art, but there were half a world
[56:09] Speaker 4: away from each other.
[56:10] Speaker 3: Or somebody has this idea for like a song, and
[56:13] Speaker 3: it just like comes to them, you know, they wake
[56:15] Speaker 3: up with the song in their head. I think that
[56:18] Speaker 3: a lot of people, if you study this phenomenon, the
[56:20] Speaker 3: idea of the idea of ideas is that they are
[56:23] Speaker 3: external to the individual. In some like really, you know
[56:27] Speaker 3: in some real way that Austin Piccard's in a real way.
[56:31] Speaker 2: Real way, in a real way. Uh.
[56:33] Speaker 3: They are external to the individual so much so that
[56:36] Speaker 3: one of my favorite examples I bring it up all
[56:39] Speaker 3: the time is Carlos Santana in a Rolling Stones article.
[56:43] Speaker 3: I always say Time magazine, it's Rolling Stones interview, and
[56:47] Speaker 3: you know, more or less the interviewer says, you know,
[56:50] Speaker 3: where do you get your inspiration from? And I guess
[56:54] Speaker 3: they were anticipating, like, well, my life and the place
[56:57] Speaker 3: that I grew up and the people in it, and
[56:59] Speaker 3: the and he goes Metatron, he goes Medatron. I get
[57:05] Speaker 3: my music from Metatron. It's like the angel Metatron, Yes,
[57:09] Speaker 3: Like from cabalistic teachings. Yes, so there is Some people
[57:15] Speaker 3: are much more keen to the idea that they are
[57:19] Speaker 3: receiving inspiration from elsewhere. You know, the muses in Greek
[57:22] Speaker 3: mythology were responsible for all the art. They were inspiring
[57:26] Speaker 3: man to create this or that. I don't think it
[57:29] Speaker 3: stops at art. I don't think it stops at music.
[57:31] Speaker 3: I think it's pretty evident just.
[57:32] Speaker 2: Given the anecdotal shit up was it Microsoft that supposedly
[57:37] Speaker 2: was birthed out of or the Apple computer was birthed
[57:39] Speaker 2: out of LSD experience. There are big things that are
[57:47] Speaker 2: on the world stage that many people aren't even aware
[57:50] Speaker 2: their inception is from. Yeah, a psychedelic experience, a dream
[57:55] Speaker 2: where it came like a download, uh something that just
[57:58] Speaker 2: when people get into a flow state when they're writing,
[58:01] Speaker 2: you know, writing books or whatever, and all of a
[58:03] Speaker 2: sudden it's just coming out, and then all of a
[58:04] Speaker 2: sudden they experience writer's block.
[58:06] Speaker 3: It's like where the stream is cut this. I don't
[58:09] Speaker 3: think it just happens in art, man. I think he
[58:12] Speaker 3: goes to technology.
[58:12] Speaker 4: So yeah, and then a Mambo number five the other day, Okay,
[58:15] Speaker 4: hell yeah yeah by Loup Vega. Never made a goddamn
[58:19] Speaker 4: thing after that.
[58:21] Speaker 2: That one banger?
[58:22] Speaker 4: Yeah is inspired? Someone say yeah, so.
[58:27] Speaker 3: And I think as even as podcasters, you know, sometimes
[58:30] Speaker 3: we can get into a flow state where it's like
[58:31] Speaker 3: where did they even have that shit come from? Man,
[58:33] Speaker 3: it's like, I don't know, you get tapped into something
[58:35] Speaker 3: it's external to you. So as far as angelic technology
[58:38] Speaker 3: or the reverse engineer technology, the nuts and bolts of
[58:41] Speaker 3: what we see on the world stage now, whether it's
[58:43] Speaker 3: zero point energy or or you know, uh propulsion that
[58:47] Speaker 3: requires no fuel and and no uh exhaust or anything
[58:51] Speaker 3: like that. It's not combustion based or whatever. Man different
[58:54] Speaker 3: alloys and different methods of doing it. Throughout antiquity, people
[58:58] Speaker 3: have said that the gods gave them metallurgy, the God's
[59:01] Speaker 3: taught them agriculture, the God's.
[59:03] Speaker 2: Taught them war and all these different things. I think
[59:05] Speaker 2: it starts off fundamental, and they never stop whispering to us.
[59:09] Speaker 2: It's a long game.
[59:11] Speaker 3: So when people get hung up on the idea that, well,
[59:13] Speaker 3: how could it be demons, they're you know, piloting technology,
[59:18] Speaker 3: and that's not what we understand to be demonic. It's like, yes,
[59:20] Speaker 3: zoom out and recalibrate your lens here, because there has
[59:24] Speaker 3: always been an imparting of technological knowledge and advancements on
[59:29] Speaker 3: behalf of some you know, perceived God I would say,
[59:33] Speaker 3: lowercase G god.
[59:34] Speaker 2: It's what a lot of these fallen angels were perceived as.
[59:37] Speaker 3: And they've been ushering us along for a long time,
[59:40] Speaker 3: and they've been whispering in our ears to create art
[59:42] Speaker 3: and to create technology. And I think that a great
[59:45] Speaker 3: We're we're the pens and they are the whisperers and
[59:49] Speaker 3: we're writing the things down. We all have these things
[59:51] Speaker 3: in our ears telling us what to make. And I
[59:54] Speaker 3: think if you're really keyed in, if you're purposely trying
[59:58] Speaker 3: to interact with that realm, if you're purposely trying to
[1:00:00] Speaker 3: extract ideas, I think they'll go, Look, there's a candidate
[1:00:03] Speaker 3: who actually wants to interact.
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: This is going to be a lot easier. But that's
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: that guy. This shit it does lea's a question. It
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: leaves a question of what are these What are the
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: physical entities that are coming back and forth? Who made that?
[1:00:17] Speaker 4: And how is it interacting with us? Are the alien
[1:00:20] Speaker 4: grays the actual.
[1:00:21] Speaker 3: Entities or are they the We like to think that
[1:00:23] Speaker 3: there maybe some sort of a meat suit that can
[1:00:27] Speaker 3: interact in this physical realm, something that can be inhabited
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: spiritually by something else and remotely controlled, because then that
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: would give it access to create the technology that they'd
[1:00:38] Speaker 3: like to create, like a UFO kind of like right
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: behind you and then come here and do X y Z.
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: I don't claim to know how it works, but that's
[1:00:45] Speaker 3: definitely a possibility.
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: It also connects with what our own government and military
[1:00:52] Speaker 1: and three letter agencies are doing. This makes it extremely
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: hard to navigate because if you look at things like
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: the Camelio story. Has you heard of this?
[1:01:01] Speaker 2: No, I've not heard of that one.
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: Robert Guffey wrote a book about this gentleman in the
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: early two thousands. He was a heroin addict, a nobody.
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: He was at a party and this guy at the
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: party was showing off some military goggles that he claimed
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: to have stolen from a facility. He was a soldier,
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: and this heroin guy, i'll call him Dave, I don't
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: remember his name. Dave held onto the goggles for a minute,
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: handed him back. He said, oh cool, whatever, and went
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: on with his day. The next day, these men in
[1:01:31] Speaker 1: black come to Dave's house and they start harassing him,
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: asking him for the goggles back, and he honestly didn't
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: have him. He had no idea what was going on. Well,
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: apparently they decided to use him as an experiment to
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: test exotic technology. They started gang stalking him. They started
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: sending drones to his house. They even sent little midgets
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: that were in invisibility technology inside his house to move
[1:01:57] Speaker 1: things around and act like pulled geists. They had technology
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: where he would look out of his window and he'd
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: see different planets floating in the sky. He'd go outside
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: and it'd just be his normal house. They did fake
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: abductions on him, they drugged him, and they would wear
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: alien masks and go mess with him. And this was
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: in the late nineties, early two thousands. Now we have
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: people that claim to have been involved with the secret
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: space program. This is another odd one. I have to
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: wonder if people are being MK altrude drugged and walked
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: through these fantastical scenarios so they can perpetuate a UFO narrative.
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: So this adds a ton of mud to the waters,
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: and it's difficult to navigate through that for sure.
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: So okay, three things.
[1:02:48] Speaker 3: I'll make The first two quick, just going back to
[1:02:51] Speaker 3: where we're talking to a moment ago. If you look
[1:02:54] Speaker 3: at the nephelum, this combination of human beings and fallen angels,
[1:02:58] Speaker 3: the hybridization program and then has been going on very
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: very early, and I think it's had time to diversify,
[1:03:05] Speaker 3: so that could account for a lot of the physical
[1:03:06] Speaker 3: beings that people are seeing.
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: But number two, this.
[1:03:12] Speaker 3: Idea of MK Ultra I would I would say, and
[1:03:17] Speaker 3: this is just a guess, but just based off of
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: overlapping data points. Once again, I think that a lot
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: of the phenomenon may well be I don't know what
[1:03:29] Speaker 3: to say, a lot of the phenomenon, Like, I don't know,
[1:03:30] Speaker 3: maybe more than half of it, maybe more than that.
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: Even is some sort of an mk ultra adjacent program where.
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: The question is again to draw back to what what
[1:03:43] Speaker 2: is mk ultra? Yeah? What are those techniques?
[1:03:46] Speaker 4: And my third point, yeah, yeah, write that down. Where
[1:03:49] Speaker 4: do they draw where do they draw their inspiration from?
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: Yes? Why why is it when we interview what would
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: he be called?
[1:03:57] Speaker 1: Uh?
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: The guy Randy Goodwin was a deliverance minister. Yeah, like
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: a deliverance minister.
[1:04:02] Speaker 4: He's an expert on satanic ritual abuse that specifically the
[1:04:06] Speaker 4: clients that he deals with. Why why are they describing
[1:04:09] Speaker 4: techniques that sound like mkulture when this person is going
[1:04:12] Speaker 4: through satanic ritual abuse?
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: Yes?
[1:04:14] Speaker 4: Why are they doing satanic ritual abuse or mk ulture
[1:04:17] Speaker 4: on Epstein Island?
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: Why are there intelligence operatives military intelligence operatives that are
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: high ranking members of the Church of Satan right? Why
[1:04:24] Speaker 2: is why is Michael Aquino wrapped up in all of this?
[1:04:27] Speaker 3: These things are intimately tied together, the occult and these
[1:04:32] Speaker 3: intelligence operations and what appears to be nuts and bolts,
[1:04:35] Speaker 3: and psychological is highly reductive of what the nature of
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: this thing it's it is wet in spirituality. It's it's
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: crazy because we're supposed to figure it out, but when
[1:04:46] Speaker 3: when we're looking at it, it's it's almost senseless to go,
[1:04:49] Speaker 3: let's figure out how much of this was government? This
[1:04:52] Speaker 3: was the demonic realm? Was like, man, these guys are
[1:04:55] Speaker 3: kind of working hand in hand. It's so mess to
[1:04:58] Speaker 3: do the same shit. It's so messy, dude. So like, yes,
[1:05:00] Speaker 3: saying it's demonic, I think is a really great blanket
[1:05:04] Speaker 3: terminology because it talks about the spirit that it's of.
[1:05:08] Speaker 3: And no matter what, we're all operating within some sort
[1:05:10] Speaker 3: of spirit. There's no avoiding that the human experience is
[1:05:13] Speaker 3: operating within the spiritual realm and being influenced by the
[1:05:16] Speaker 3: spiritual realm at all times. So this entire operation and
[1:05:20] Speaker 3: all of the different apparatus associated with it is MK
[1:05:23] Speaker 3: ultra and reverse engineer technology and ancient entities and maybe
[1:05:27] Speaker 3: even manufactured entities and hybrid chimeric nightmare creatures that are
[1:05:31] Speaker 3: made in deep underground military bases like all of it, dude,
[1:05:34] Speaker 3: It is such. And then of course, the technology that's
[1:05:36] Speaker 3: creating an illusion aspect of these things, which I think
[1:05:39] Speaker 3: is very real as well, frequency based technology and warfare,
[1:05:43] Speaker 3: you name it.
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: It is demonic. It is of a very particular spirit.
[1:05:47] Speaker 3: It is inspired by a very particular and ancient spirit,
[1:05:50] Speaker 3: and that ancient spirit is satanic. It is demonic, it
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: is the adversary. It's against God, it is deceptive, and
[1:05:56] Speaker 3: it is against mankind. So demonic, I think is an
[1:06:00] Speaker 3: apt term. But yeah, going back to the root of
[1:06:02] Speaker 3: the conversation, is it demons?
[1:06:03] Speaker 2: It's like dog dog? I mean, I don't know, is
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: a heart attack gun demons? Probably not?
[1:06:11] Speaker 3: But who whispered in the ears of the individual who
[1:06:13] Speaker 3: was inspired to manipulate frequency warfare to such a degree
[1:06:16] Speaker 3: that you can end a man's life from a car
[1:06:19] Speaker 3: outside of his window? Like, I'm pretty sure that thing
[1:06:22] Speaker 3: that inspired that was of the demonic realm.
[1:06:25] Speaker 4: Even the idea of an MK ultra patient. What you're
[1:06:28] Speaker 4: trying to do is take somebody's mind and fracture it
[1:06:31] Speaker 4: beyond repair. But you want to fracture it to the
[1:06:33] Speaker 4: point where you have multiple personalities, and the multiple personalities,
[1:06:37] Speaker 4: the point of some of them, I think can be
[1:06:39] Speaker 4: programmed some of them I think slip in. But what
[1:06:43] Speaker 4: they'd like to do is have trigger words to bring
[1:06:45] Speaker 4: them forth. Now, the question is, when I break your
[1:06:48] Speaker 4: mind into forty pieces, how many different crises are there?
[1:06:53] Speaker 4: How many is you? How many have I implanted? And
[1:06:57] Speaker 4: how many are just wild whatever that has gotten in?
[1:07:00] Speaker 4: Because these are the same spiritual implications. Yeah, it's just
[1:07:03] Speaker 4: the government seems to have been. They'll use it to
[1:07:05] Speaker 4: do a high profile political murder because they've programmed one
[1:07:09] Speaker 4: personality that they can do.
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: But what else have you done here? I think Sam
[1:07:13] Speaker 2: Tripley has a great terminology for its hardwired mysticism. I
[1:07:18] Speaker 2: think that's very much.
[1:07:19] Speaker 3: You know, if you read into Crowley's works, he more
[1:07:23] Speaker 3: or less speculated that the very things that he was doing.
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: He didn't outright say it.
[1:07:28] Speaker 3: I forget in which book it was, but I had
[1:07:30] Speaker 3: somebody press me on it, and I had to go
[1:07:31] Speaker 3: and look at it, and I might have summarized his
[1:07:35] Speaker 3: point of.
[1:07:35] Speaker 2: View too pointedly. Where he more or less kind of
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: beat it around.
[1:07:40] Speaker 3: He beat around the bush, and he speculated lightly about
[1:07:42] Speaker 3: the idea that the things that he was trying to
[1:07:44] Speaker 3: accomplish in his drug use, in his sexual debauchery in
[1:07:49] Speaker 3: his ritual and ceremony would eventually be achieved in a more.
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: Scientific community adjacent way.
[1:07:58] Speaker 3: And I think that that is what he might have
[1:08:02] Speaker 3: been speculating about, would be technology. I mean, if I've
[1:08:06] Speaker 3: come to the conclusion that these things, these entities, these
[1:08:11] Speaker 3: spirits all throughout this episode we've been talking about them whispering,
[1:08:14] Speaker 3: they are perceivable, and the intelligence agencies have figured out
[1:08:19] Speaker 3: how to perceive them. And you can sum it up
[1:08:24] Speaker 3: by saying frequency. There is certain frequency that you can
[1:08:28] Speaker 3: almost tune into and you can perceive their voices, you know,
[1:08:32] Speaker 3: more readily.
[1:08:33] Speaker 2: And maybe you could go.
[1:08:34] Speaker 3: A step further and say certain entities who you have
[1:08:37] Speaker 3: to drop out. Yeah, maybe certain entities are more perceivable
[1:08:42] Speaker 3: on different frequencies.
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: This became.
[1:08:46] Speaker 3: Pretty evident with the Puharich studies that we were doing,
[1:08:49] Speaker 3: where Andrejia Pouharish was kind of at the center of
[1:08:55] Speaker 3: MK ultra in its early development. He was fascinated by
[1:08:58] Speaker 3: the psychic phenomena. Much of the scientific community was in
[1:09:01] Speaker 3: the fifties and sixties and early, you know, late forties,
[1:09:05] Speaker 3: and then it kind of became pseudoscience and pushed to
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: the side. I don't think that that's accurate. I think
[1:09:08] Speaker 3: it just got pushed underground, but it was still controlled
[1:09:11] Speaker 3: by the intelligence agencies. And you know, there's a bunch
[1:09:15] Speaker 3: of different stuff that Puharaj ended up becoming keen to,
[1:09:18] Speaker 3: like the idea of dental implants being able to receive
[1:09:20] Speaker 3: different frequencies, and that was a bit of a joke.
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: That was played off.
[1:09:25] Speaker 3: You might even find like Looney Tunes cartoons where they
[1:09:27] Speaker 3: got braces and they were picking up songs and stuff
[1:09:29] Speaker 3: in their heads. And there's a lot of famous stories,
[1:09:31] Speaker 3: including Lucille Ball who was associated with that she thwarted
[1:09:34] Speaker 3: a Japanese insurgency because of a dental implant that helped
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: her pick up their communications in California, I believe.
[1:09:41] Speaker 2: So it's just like really big.
[1:09:42] Speaker 4: Thing, but how well you now you can buy it
[1:09:44] Speaker 4: on Amazon for nine to ninety nine is like a
[1:09:47] Speaker 4: what do they call like bone conductor headphones with yeah exactly, yeah,
[1:09:50] Speaker 4: like you have the same.
[1:09:51] Speaker 2: Technology they Andrijiao became obsessed with.
[1:09:55] Speaker 3: I believe he was personally communicating with and then he
[1:09:58] Speaker 3: worked with other people who were committed duicating with the
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: nine the Ineniad. He called them the Inniad, The Ineniad
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: is literally the Egyptian Gods. Nine Egyptian gods, which once
[1:10:09] Speaker 3: again lowercase g gods fallen angels, Like this is what
[1:10:12] Speaker 3: I believe that they were.
[1:10:14] Speaker 2: And uh so all.
[1:10:15] Speaker 3: Of that experimentation, everything that Pouharaj contributed to the early
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: development of mk ultra and.
[1:10:23] Speaker 2: All of this research leads him to more interestingly than
[1:10:29] Speaker 2: anything else, this becomes more fascinated with this aspect, communicating
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: with Egyptian gods. You know, what about the implications about
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: frequency warfare and technology and this and that. Yeah, yeah, cool, cool, cool,
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: communicating with Egyptian gods. So ever since its inception there
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: has been this and you see that in Stranger Things, right.
[1:10:50] Speaker 4: So it was weird, Like his focus goes on to
[1:10:52] Speaker 4: he starts to write books called the Sacred Mushroom, So
[1:10:55] Speaker 4: his focus goes on to focus on psychedelics, and then
[1:10:58] Speaker 4: later on he picks up Yuri Geal and he's focused
[1:11:01] Speaker 4: on him, and that's how you get a lot of
[1:11:03] Speaker 4: the UFO movement in the seventies.
[1:11:06] Speaker 3: It's all dude, So I understand, and I know we're
[1:11:10] Speaker 3: getting late in the episode and the listeners have been
[1:11:12] Speaker 3: taken on a roller coaster, so far.
[1:11:15] Speaker 4: Rumble kidding, the Rumblebee, Timid, the Alberino aliens, Mike Bielberg, what.
[1:11:21] Speaker 3: Are we doing when we say people will see as
[1:11:24] Speaker 3: Christians on forbidden knowledge, who are saying aliens are demons?
[1:11:28] Speaker 3: Do not mistake that reductive sentence as us not having
[1:11:34] Speaker 3: somewhat of an intimate understanding of this phenomenon.
[1:11:36] Speaker 2: I'm not going to ever pretend that I understand what's
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: going on.
[1:11:39] Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, you guys just ran into the
[1:11:41] Speaker 4: wrong ones. But most Christians that you will run into
[1:11:44] Speaker 4: will say aliens or demons, and then when you push
[1:11:46] Speaker 4: them on it, they'll just be like, that's just what
[1:11:48] Speaker 4: I believe, y'all.
[1:11:49] Speaker 2: But it's the for us, right, Yeah, we've seen a
[1:11:52] Speaker 2: little too much at this point.
[1:11:55] Speaker 3: The Bell curve is on the low end of the
[1:11:56] Speaker 3: iq Bell curve aliens are demons, and the midwin of
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: the IQ Bell curve it's well.
[1:12:02] Speaker 2: No, that's religious bullshit.
[1:12:04] Speaker 3: Aliens are our space brothers, benign space brothers from a
[1:12:07] Speaker 3: galaxy far far away. They're gonna save us from destroying
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: ourselves in nuclear war or you know, destroying the planet.
[1:12:15] Speaker 3: We're gonna elevate our frequencies and we're gonna ascend to
[1:12:18] Speaker 3: the stars, which is very similar to the same.
[1:12:20] Speaker 4: On the other side of it are guys like us
[1:12:22] Speaker 4: who have read the entire Bible. They go hundreds of
[1:12:26] Speaker 4: hours of witness testimony on alien abduction and we go
[1:12:30] Speaker 4: actually nam Unfortunately, these things kind of do look like.
[1:12:33] Speaker 2: If you want to say aliens or demons, like, I'm
[1:12:34] Speaker 2: not going to push you on it, dude, I'm not
[1:12:36] Speaker 2: gonna push you on it.
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, this is great information. Guys, Thank you so much.
[1:12:41] Speaker 1: Before I let you go, tell everyone once more how
[1:12:44] Speaker 1: they can get involved with Brohemian Grove.
[1:12:47] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, so definitely not on Rumble. Not on Rumble.
[1:12:50] Speaker 3: Go to top Lobster dot com and you'll see at
[1:12:53] Speaker 3: the banner at the top of the website is the
[1:12:55] Speaker 3: Brohemian Grove General Admission Days.
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: You can come out there and hang out.
[1:12:58] Speaker 3: We're gonna have all kinds of people think we're gonn
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: talking with Owen Benjamin and doctor Heather Linn about whether
[1:13:02] Speaker 3: or not they ate Charlie Kirk. So we're gonna have
[1:13:06] Speaker 3: a really great panel of you know, content creators and
[1:13:11] Speaker 3: really fascinating discussions. It's gonna be a lot of a
[1:13:13] Speaker 3: lot of fun it's an eight hour day. We had
[1:13:15] Speaker 3: to move into twelve pm to eight pm, so go
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[1:13:21] Speaker 3: Squad anywhere and a lot of the stuff that we
[1:13:23] Speaker 3: talked about with Chris you know, on this episode is
[1:13:27] Speaker 3: a speed run of the things that we unpack on
[1:13:30] Speaker 3: a regular basis, pretty much every single day of Neflim
[1:13:34] Speaker 3: Death Squad. It's a big, long, complicated way of coming
[1:13:40] Speaker 3: back to the same conclusion, which is aliens. I think
[1:13:42] Speaker 3: I have a better sales pitch.
[1:13:43] Speaker 2: Go ahead. Do you like hearing about daunting shit? Do
[1:13:46] Speaker 2: you like to laugh? DEAs squads? Yes for you. We
[1:13:49] Speaker 2: don't sell any no black pills, no black pills, no
[1:13:52] Speaker 2: Doomer's spot than man.
[1:13:55] Speaker 1: Yeah man. Thank you for joining us again. We'll definitely
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: be doing again in the future. Until next time, everyone,
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