# Aliens & Angels Clip: June 28th, 2026 – Miya StarFire, Jay Skyrunner & Jeremy Richards

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 7 Jul 2026, 1 h 07 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, you do some great stuff.
[0:02] Speaker 2: Okay, I just hit the record button. Okay. So is
[0:06] Speaker 2: your is that your only channel, Written Knowledge News?
[0:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's I mean, I hates on all the platforms,
[0:13] Speaker 1: but that is my one channel.
[0:14] Speaker 2: Yes, okay, okay, cool, all right, I can I can
[0:21] Speaker 2: kick it off if we can, we can go for
[0:23] Speaker 2: uh maybe around in hour? Is that okay?
[0:26] Speaker 1: Sound? That's perfect? Man. However long you want to go.
[0:28] Speaker 1: I got a couple hours, so I'm good.
[0:30] Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I kick it off. All right, all right,
[0:34] Speaker 2: welcome to Open Your Reality. My name is Chad, and
[0:37] Speaker 2: today we have a very interesting guest on the show.
[0:40] Speaker 2: He's a content creator himself. His name is Chris Mathow
[0:43] Speaker 2: and his YouTube channel is Forbidden Knowledge News Official. And
[0:48] Speaker 2: Chris touches on a lot of the same subjects as myself,
[0:51] Speaker 2: such as the nature of consciousness, simulation theory, the shape
[0:54] Speaker 2: of the Earth, AI, and just a lot of varied
[0:57] Speaker 2: conspiracy theory topics. So well, Chris, in looking at your channel,
[1:02] Speaker 2: I see you have about thirty three thousand subscribers, almost
[1:06] Speaker 2: seventeen hundred total videos, and two point four million views altogether,
[1:12] Speaker 2: So it seems like you're a serious content creator. How
[1:14] Speaker 2: long have you been posting on YouTube or have been
[1:19] Speaker 2: in the space.
[1:20] Speaker 1: Well, before we get into that once again, I want
[1:23] Speaker 1: to thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it.
[1:26] Speaker 1: I do have to correct you about my last name.
[1:28] Speaker 1: Everyone gets it wrong. It's pronounced Matthew, so it's just
[1:31] Speaker 1: a little weird French pronunciation. But yeah, man, I started
[1:36] Speaker 1: doing this. It was in two thousand and fifteen or
[1:41] Speaker 1: twenty sixteen that I started. It was a Facebook page.
[1:45] Speaker 1: It was just a blog that I was kind of
[1:48] Speaker 1: sharing all the things I was learning. In twenty twelve
[1:51] Speaker 1: is when I started to wake up to things. I
[1:53] Speaker 1: was a complete sleeper. I was in bad relationships, drugs.
[1:58] Speaker 1: I actually managed to have a great corporate job that
[2:00] Speaker 1: I was working, but I absolutely hated working it. And
[2:03] Speaker 1: in twenty twelve something just snapped in me after I
[2:06] Speaker 1: got a divorce and I started looking at all the
[2:09] Speaker 1: things I used to be interested in as a young kid,
[2:12] Speaker 1: the occult, UFOs, paranormal, hidden history, conspiracies, and I got
[2:17] Speaker 1: sucked in and this was, you know, twenty twelve and
[2:20] Speaker 1: thirteen was a golden era of YouTube conspiracy videos. I
[2:24] Speaker 1: started there and then I started reading books from the
[2:27] Speaker 1: people I was finding, and it just branched out into
[2:30] Speaker 1: all kinds of research. And my mind was going crazy
[2:33] Speaker 1: because in twenty twelve or thirteen, you try and share
[2:36] Speaker 1: some of this stuff with people and they weren't really
[2:39] Speaker 1: ready for it. It was also in South Louisiana, so
[2:43] Speaker 1: no one that I was talking to had any idea
[2:46] Speaker 1: about any of the stuff I was talking about. And
[2:48] Speaker 1: my family thought I was crazy, friends thought I was crazy.
[2:51] Speaker 1: So I had to find an outlet for this stuff.
[2:55] Speaker 1: Started the Facebook blog. People started getting interested in it,
[2:58] Speaker 1: so I just decided to start the YouTube channel, and
[3:03] Speaker 1: that started out much different than it is now. We
[3:08] Speaker 1: didn't have the censorship, so I was growing very quickly,
[3:10] Speaker 1: and you know, lots of new opportunities were coming up
[3:16] Speaker 1: during that time. But I decided that just me alone
[3:21] Speaker 1: was not sufficient for the information I was sharing. I
[3:23] Speaker 1: wanted to talk to the experts. I wanted to talk
[3:25] Speaker 1: to the experiencers. I wanted to talk to people who
[3:28] Speaker 1: are actually doing it. So that's when I turned it
[3:30] Speaker 1: to an interview format show. One day, I had the
[3:33] Speaker 1: great Charlie Robinson, author of the Octopus of Global Control
[3:38] Speaker 1: and several other recent books that he's made. He has
[3:41] Speaker 1: Macroaggressions podcast. I had him on one day and he
[3:45] Speaker 1: loved the conversation. He suggested, dude, you have to turn
[3:48] Speaker 1: this into a podcast. And I had no idea what
[3:51] Speaker 1: a podcast was at the time. I was just doing
[3:54] Speaker 1: the YouTube thing. And he hooked me up with my
[3:56] Speaker 1: now producer, Corey Hughes, who is also author of a
[3:59] Speaker 1: great Kennedy book, A Warning from History. We started working together,
[4:04] Speaker 1: we set up the audio podcast, and that's where things
[4:07] Speaker 1: really started rolling. The audio podcast became incredibly popular. YouTube
[4:12] Speaker 1: was great for the first few years until twenty eighteen
[4:16] Speaker 1: with the whole Alex Jones Sandy hook shenanigans that started
[4:20] Speaker 1: off the censorship, and I could see immediately my numbers
[4:23] Speaker 1: were just caught off. No. I was at like thirty
[4:26] Speaker 1: thousand subscribers in twenty eighteen and it just boop, just stopped,
[4:30] Speaker 1: you know, everything on YouTube. So we focused on the
[4:33] Speaker 1: audio podcast, had that grow, and through a series of
[4:37] Speaker 1: incredible events and even spiritual contact experiences that I had,
[4:44] Speaker 1: I was motivated to quit my corporate job and try
[4:48] Speaker 1: and turn this into a career, which you know, if
[4:53] Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had the very profound spiritual experience I did.
[4:56] Speaker 1: It would have never happened, but I was eventually able
[4:59] Speaker 1: to do. And also I was eventually able to start
[5:05] Speaker 1: making films. I'm working on my third film right now now.
[5:08] Speaker 1: I have two out there in the streaming universe, one
[5:10] Speaker 1: on two B, one on Amazon Prime, and working on
[5:13] Speaker 1: the third right now. And that's where I'm at.
[5:16] Speaker 2: Wow, there's a lot a lot to cover there. I
[5:20] Speaker 2: guess my first question would be where in the world
[5:22] Speaker 2: are you right now? Where do you make your home base.
[5:25] Speaker 1: I'm in northern Colorado. I moved out to Colorado after
[5:29] Speaker 1: my profound spiritual experience. It affected me so much that
[5:34] Speaker 1: I decided to just throw everything away that I was
[5:36] Speaker 1: currently doing, which was pretty much toxic, and start my
[5:40] Speaker 1: own healing journey and move to Colorado. Which I don't
[5:44] Speaker 1: know why exactly, but Colorado always called to me. I
[5:46] Speaker 1: always loved the mountains and I just wanted to live
[5:49] Speaker 1: out in the mountains somewhere. So that's where I went.
[5:51] Speaker 1: And yeah, everything started kind of popping off from there.
[5:56] Speaker 2: Okay, And if you don't mind sharing, what spiritual experience
[6:00] Speaker 2: did you have that prompted all this? Sure?
[6:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so twenty eighteen censorship starts. I feel
[6:09] Speaker 1: I'm kind of screwed. I'm like, how am I supposed
[6:10] Speaker 1: to grow with all this censorship? It's getting bad. The
[6:14] Speaker 1: podcast was still doing great, so I focused on that,
[6:17] Speaker 1: and I was making maybe a couple of hundred dollars
[6:21] Speaker 1: a month from the podcast at that time. Had no
[6:24] Speaker 1: idea how to turn this into something substantial that I'd
[6:27] Speaker 1: be able to live off of. But I just deep
[6:30] Speaker 1: down I knew I wanted to do that, but I
[6:32] Speaker 1: had never thought about crossing that bridge. And I was
[6:35] Speaker 1: way too comfortable with my corporate job where I was
[6:37] Speaker 1: making really good money. It was a corporate sales job television,
[6:42] Speaker 1: cell phones, things like that. And so one day, it
[6:47] Speaker 1: was after a bad breakup and I had a pattern
[6:52] Speaker 1: of getting into very toxic relationships with females, and that
[6:56] Speaker 1: is addressed later on through my healing journey. But I'm
[7:01] Speaker 1: having a pretty rough evening after work, and at the
[7:06] Speaker 1: time on my show, I was starting to delve into
[7:09] Speaker 1: spiritual topics, starting to delve into meditation. It's very new
[7:12] Speaker 1: to the spiritual stuff at that time, because I had
[7:16] Speaker 1: a lot of healing to do and I wasn't ready
[7:17] Speaker 1: to go on my own healing journey. But I decided
[7:21] Speaker 1: to try meditation, and I had been trying it the
[7:24] Speaker 1: weeks before, very kind of unsuccessfully, but this time I
[7:27] Speaker 1: had got a lot of advice some frequency tones to
[7:31] Speaker 1: put on breathing exercises, and I decided to try it again.
[7:35] Speaker 1: A little side note, Before I did go inside my
[7:38] Speaker 1: house to start my meditation, I saw it looked like
[7:41] Speaker 1: a UFO. It was like three orange flames going up
[7:45] Speaker 1: in the sky and they just spun out and disappeared
[7:48] Speaker 1: into nothing. I mean, I don't know what it was.
[7:50] Speaker 1: I filed it as very interesting. I'd never seen anything
[7:52] Speaker 1: like that, but it was a hell of a coincidence
[7:55] Speaker 1: with what happened later. So I start meditating and and
[8:01] Speaker 1: within a relatively short amount of time, with the tones
[8:04] Speaker 1: and the breathing and everything, I was able to get
[8:07] Speaker 1: into a very very peaceful place, and that something I'd
[8:11] Speaker 1: never experienced before. And it was just complete peace and
[8:16] Speaker 1: relaxation and blackness, and all of a sudden, like in
[8:20] Speaker 1: my subconscious vision, on the right side of my vision,
[8:24] Speaker 1: this blue light starts to manifest and as it gets
[8:28] Speaker 1: brighter and brighter, I feel this like amazing feeling of
[8:31] Speaker 1: love and acceptance, and you know, I thought, I thought
[8:36] Speaker 1: I knew what love felt like until that moment. It
[8:39] Speaker 1: was undeniable love. And this voice spoke in my mind.
[8:45] Speaker 1: And I'd never experienced anything like this, never experienced anything paranormal,
[8:48] Speaker 1: any psychic, nothing, but there was something speaking to me
[8:51] Speaker 1: in my mind and it said, hey, are you ready
[8:55] Speaker 1: to have her conversation? I think it's time, and I
[9:00] Speaker 1: did freaking I didn't know if I was being hacked,
[9:02] Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know if LSD flashback or something
[9:06] Speaker 1: like that. So I'm like, I grew up Catholic. I
[9:10] Speaker 1: revert to some childhood dogma because I'm kind of scared
[9:14] Speaker 1: demon's talking to me or something. So I'm like, in
[9:16] Speaker 1: the name of Jesus Christ, are you evil? Orre you
[9:18] Speaker 1: a demon? And before I could even finish saying it,
[9:21] Speaker 1: it just like reassured me with this love and kind
[9:24] Speaker 1: of was laughing and saying, no, you don't have to worry.
[9:26] Speaker 1: I've been with you your entire life. It seems that you're
[9:30] Speaker 1: ready to have a conversation with me. And I'm like,
[9:33] Speaker 1: who are you? What are you? He's like, well, you'll
[9:35] Speaker 1: come to understand that later, which I did, but at
[9:38] Speaker 1: the time, I had no idea. Maybe talking to an
[9:40] Speaker 1: alien still iffy on the whole demon thing, I had
[9:43] Speaker 1: no idea. But this thing is just you know, deeming
[9:47] Speaker 1: love at me the whole time. It's like, you're at
[9:49] Speaker 1: a point in your life where you're ready to make
[9:51] Speaker 1: a change, aren't you. Yeah, I am. So it proceeded
[9:55] Speaker 1: to give me this like two hour long conversation. And
[9:58] Speaker 1: at this time I had popp out of my meditative pose.
[10:01] Speaker 1: I'm walking around my house and this whatever, this voice
[10:04] Speaker 1: is still talking to me. I can hear it and
[10:07] Speaker 1: I can feel it, and it starts to tell me
[10:10] Speaker 1: that we're about to Oh this, by the way, this
[10:12] Speaker 1: was twenty twenty when this happened, the beginning of twenty twenty,
[10:15] Speaker 1: before COVID started popping off. And this voice says, we're
[10:19] Speaker 1: about to enter very difficult times. The world is about
[10:23] Speaker 1: to change in major ways, and you have to be
[10:26] Speaker 1: spiritually and mentally and emotionally ready for this. And I
[10:31] Speaker 1: see that you're ready to take on the next step
[10:34] Speaker 1: in your life and career, and it needs to be
[10:36] Speaker 1: what you're currently doing. You need to put your energy
[10:38] Speaker 1: into this. And it was so wild. I never you know,
[10:41] Speaker 1: never experienced anything like this. It proceeds to tell me
[10:44] Speaker 1: that I have a lot of childhood trauma that I
[10:47] Speaker 1: need to work through that is holding me back, that
[10:52] Speaker 1: I'm getting into majorly toxic relationships and I have to
[10:55] Speaker 1: do some work to try and heal that. And it
[10:58] Speaker 1: was just, you know, the most incredible double information that
[11:01] Speaker 1: was coming through that I didn't even want to hear myself,
[11:03] Speaker 1: but it was also true. And it's like, you need
[11:06] Speaker 1: to quit your job. And one of the oddest things
[11:09] Speaker 1: that came out of the conversation was magic mushrooms said,
[11:12] Speaker 1: if you want to fast track to your healing journey,
[11:15] Speaker 1: magic mushrooms is a way. And it was the strangest
[11:18] Speaker 1: thing because I only tried mushrooms once in my teenage
[11:22] Speaker 1: years and it terrified, like it was a horrible experience.
[11:25] Speaker 1: So that was not even on my radar at all.
[11:28] Speaker 1: But this voice is telling me stilocybin is a way
[11:30] Speaker 1: to heal. So, you know, eventually the voice just fades
[11:35] Speaker 1: away and I'm not talking to anything anymore, and for
[11:38] Speaker 1: a while, just you know, maybe I'm going crazy. I
[11:40] Speaker 1: don't know what that was. I started reaching out to
[11:42] Speaker 1: a bunch of researchers and friends got a little bit
[11:45] Speaker 1: of information, but I'm still thinking maybe I'm talking to
[11:48] Speaker 1: an alien. I don't know. I was heavily into aliens
[11:51] Speaker 1: at the time, and so I a couple of days
[11:56] Speaker 1: go by and I'm like kind of lost. I don't
[11:59] Speaker 1: know what happened, and I really want to do it
[12:02] Speaker 1: again just to make sure I'm not crazy. So days
[12:04] Speaker 1: after that, I try and meditate again, try and meditate again.
[12:07] Speaker 1: It was like almost a week later that something told
[12:10] Speaker 1: me in my mind to get in water and use
[12:12] Speaker 1: the tones and the breathing. So I tried it in
[12:15] Speaker 1: my bathtub, and this time was even more profound. The
[12:22] Speaker 1: voice came back proceeds to ask if I was ready
[12:29] Speaker 1: to remember something that happened in my childhood that would
[12:34] Speaker 1: get me started on my journey. And this memory started
[12:37] Speaker 1: to surface of a very traumatic experience I had when
[12:40] Speaker 1: I was a child at a family friend's house and
[12:43] Speaker 1: I had not remembered it at all, and it came
[12:45] Speaker 1: back to me and it was very emotional. And as
[12:49] Speaker 1: I was kind of feeling the emotions of this memory,
[12:54] Speaker 1: like in my mind's eye, the landscape changed. It was
[12:57] Speaker 1: I was somewhere different in my mind's eye. Could open
[13:00] Speaker 1: my eyes and I'm still in my bathroom and my bathtub.
[13:02] Speaker 1: But when I close my eyes, it looks like I'm
[13:05] Speaker 1: on a ship. I see windows with space, I see
[13:09] Speaker 1: three levels and this like gun metal gray platform, and
[13:16] Speaker 1: all of a sudden, these beings start to slowly manifest
[13:20] Speaker 1: and they all look like they're wearing these green hoods.
[13:23] Speaker 1: They're translucent, they're massive, they look like human animal hybrids,
[13:30] Speaker 1: different kinds, like a bear, a dog, even a frog,
[13:36] Speaker 1: and they were all just beaming this love to me
[13:38] Speaker 1: and these amazing feelings. And the frog asked me, and
[13:43] Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was
[13:45] Speaker 1: something along the lines of if I was ready to
[13:49] Speaker 1: accept my mission that I agreed to for this incarnation,
[13:54] Speaker 1: something along those lines, and it was just immediately yes,
[13:58] Speaker 1: And I start crying, and these beings are beaming love
[14:02] Speaker 1: and proceeding to tell me things about how I can
[14:05] Speaker 1: start my journey, things I should maybe start looking at
[14:08] Speaker 1: for healing purposes and different steps that I would have
[14:12] Speaker 1: to take to get to where I needed to be
[14:15] Speaker 1: in my life. And that experience lasted about an hour.
[14:19] Speaker 1: Everything starts to fade away, and after that I knew
[14:22] Speaker 1: there was something, there's something to this. Within four months,
[14:27] Speaker 1: I cashed out my four to one k, which was
[14:28] Speaker 1: not much, and my producer and I moved to Colorado
[14:33] Speaker 1: and we just started hammering out like two episodes a
[14:37] Speaker 1: day and just working our ass off to try and
[14:40] Speaker 1: get this stuff. He had his own podcast going, and
[14:43] Speaker 1: you know, one day we're there after a few months
[14:46] Speaker 1: and we look at the revenue and it's like, oh,
[14:48] Speaker 1: we can pay our rent this month, And like a
[14:50] Speaker 1: few months go by, we can pay rent and eat
[14:52] Speaker 1: with this money. And it just kept getting better and better.
[14:55] Speaker 1: And I didn't even realize when I moved to Colorado
[14:57] Speaker 1: at the time that magic mushrooms were legal to grow.
[15:01] Speaker 1: So that's another step of my journey. I started growing
[15:05] Speaker 1: my own mushrooms and doing very powerful three to five
[15:08] Speaker 1: gram healing journeys once a month. Started out terrifying, and
[15:13] Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it, but I kind of
[15:14] Speaker 1: pushed myself through it, faced some very tough challenges and
[15:19] Speaker 1: had some major incredible healing that went on. And I
[15:22] Speaker 1: owe everything to doing those mushrooms because it cleared up
[15:26] Speaker 1: all my negativity that was holding me back and I was,
[15:29] Speaker 1: you know, able to take those next steps in the
[15:32] Speaker 1: career and build the business and then have the inspiration
[15:35] Speaker 1: to start making films. So long story, but that's how
[15:39] Speaker 1: it happened.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Well again, there's a lot there out there that's incredible.
[15:44] Speaker 2: It's interesting that you said when you were talking to
[15:48] Speaker 2: the animal beings, I think you said, the dog, the frog, bear,
[15:54] Speaker 2: They saided, you signed up for this, this is part
[15:56] Speaker 2: of your mission. And I did a I did an interview,
[16:04] Speaker 2: not an interview, but I did a reaction video to
[16:06] Speaker 2: an interview where a woman had a near death experience
[16:09] Speaker 2: and said the same thing. She said that the beings said, well,
[16:13] Speaker 2: you signed up for this. You know you're the one
[16:15] Speaker 2: that wants to do this, and she had no conscious
[16:18] Speaker 2: memory of that, and they kind of forced her back
[16:20] Speaker 2: into her body. But do you do you do you
[16:26] Speaker 2: really believe that you signed up for this? I mean,
[16:28] Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting you'd entered in, but I mean, what
[16:32] Speaker 2: are your thoughts on that whole topic right there, because
[16:34] Speaker 2: it's interesting to me.
[16:35] Speaker 1: I'm still skeptical about that whole concept. But looking at
[16:39] Speaker 1: the synchronicities and the series of events that I have
[16:42] Speaker 1: gone through in my life and looking back and seeing
[16:45] Speaker 1: how much of a beautiful story it tells. I don't
[16:48] Speaker 1: think it could be any other way. I do believe
[16:50] Speaker 1: that I signed up to essentially do this, and I
[16:53] Speaker 1: forgot to mention that eventually I came to the realization
[16:56] Speaker 1: of the voice that I was speaking with was an
[16:59] Speaker 1: aspect of my higher You know, some people may call
[17:02] Speaker 1: them guardian angels, some people just call them higher self.
[17:05] Speaker 1: But I'm at the point where I do believe that
[17:09] Speaker 1: I was speaking with an aspect of myself, and it
[17:12] Speaker 1: does not make it not real, but it's a higher
[17:15] Speaker 1: version that's not normally accessible, and I believe all those
[17:18] Speaker 1: other beings are you could say, guides, spirit guides, guardians,
[17:26] Speaker 1: things singing along those lines. My perspective on extraterrestrials is
[17:33] Speaker 1: constantly shifting, and I think there's a lot of psychological
[17:37] Speaker 1: warfare and manipulation with that whole topic. But I do
[17:42] Speaker 1: think that it is a very fine line with what
[17:45] Speaker 1: we understand between extraterrestrials and some of these spiritual beings.
[17:49] Speaker 1: But that's where I'm at currently right now, with my
[17:52] Speaker 1: understanding of what I was speaking with.
[17:55] Speaker 2: To go back to your channel in one of your
[17:58] Speaker 2: videos in the description, and it says that you were
[18:00] Speaker 2: banned from YouTube between two thousand and three and excuse
[18:04] Speaker 2: me twenty twenty three and twenty twenty five. Yeah, could
[18:08] Speaker 2: you just elaborate a little in that way? How did
[18:10] Speaker 2: YouTube just actually take you off the platform or what else?
[18:14] Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty one, I started getting strikes, strike
[18:19] Speaker 1: after strike for like medical MISSI, all the BS that
[18:22] Speaker 1: they try and throw at you, and I just tried
[18:26] Speaker 1: to I started just putting clips out on YouTube because
[18:30] Speaker 1: I'm like, screw this. You know, I'm not going to
[18:31] Speaker 1: get my channel taken down because of this nonsense. But
[18:35] Speaker 1: I started putting clips out and apparently one of the
[18:37] Speaker 1: clips had a little bit too much information, and one day,
[18:40] Speaker 1: my channel's just gone. I receive an email saying there
[18:44] Speaker 1: was too many content violation, community violations, it's harmful content,
[18:49] Speaker 1: all this BS that I got in the letter, and boom,
[18:53] Speaker 1: my channel was just gone. So it was and they
[18:55] Speaker 1: had demonetized me in twenty twenty one, so I was
[18:58] Speaker 1: not making any more money the channel. It was, you know,
[19:02] Speaker 1: it was purely for advertising at that point, but and
[19:05] Speaker 1: it still kind of is because you know, it was
[19:09] Speaker 1: about six months ago I got an email from YouTube saying, oh,
[19:13] Speaker 1: we made a mistake. Here's your channel back. And this
[19:16] Speaker 1: was around the same time they were giving a bunch
[19:18] Speaker 1: of content creators. They're channels that were stolen from them
[19:21] Speaker 1: back for whatever reason. I think that's another psychological operation
[19:25] Speaker 1: that's going on now. But that's a different story. But
[19:28] Speaker 1: I get my channel back and it still has relatively
[19:32] Speaker 1: the same amount of subscribers as before, but more shadow
[19:36] Speaker 1: band than ever. I don't see how a channel with
[19:40] Speaker 1: over thirty thousand subscribers can get less than a thousand
[19:44] Speaker 1: views per video.
[19:46] Speaker 2: I saw your content, you know, I looked at I
[19:49] Speaker 2: don't think you have to go back almost three years,
[19:52] Speaker 2: I think to see a video over a thousand views.
[19:54] Speaker 1: But yes, and it was in that time, you know,
[19:57] Speaker 1: twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen that I was blowing up.
[20:01] Speaker 1: I was getting ten thousand, twenty thousand some videos, one
[20:04] Speaker 1: hundred thousand views, and the subscriber count was going up
[20:07] Speaker 1: and up and up, and then twenty eighteen, boom, it
[20:09] Speaker 1: all stops.
[20:11] Speaker 2: Yes, I noted right away. As soon as I see
[20:14] Speaker 2: a channel of your size, thirty three thousand subscribers, and
[20:18] Speaker 2: I look at your videos and I see one hundred views,
[20:21] Speaker 2: two hundred views, four hundred views, three hundred views, and
[20:24] Speaker 2: you know, when you consistently see those numbers very very low,
[20:27] Speaker 2: that's a shadow band channel. It's one thing if you
[20:29] Speaker 2: may have had three hundred four hundred subscribers, and it's
[20:32] Speaker 2: the same thing for me.
[20:34] Speaker 1: Yes, dude, I was looking at your I am so
[20:36] Speaker 1: it's so insane how little views you're getting with the
[20:40] Speaker 1: subscriber count you have. You have over one hundred thousand
[20:43] Speaker 1: subscribers and you're you know, hitting one two to five
[20:46] Speaker 1: thousand views. That's crazy.
[20:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, right now it's one hundred and fifty four thousand,
[20:51] Speaker 2: five hundred range. But I've been at one hundred and
[20:53] Speaker 2: fifty four thousand for the last several years. They have not. Yeah,
[20:57] Speaker 2: they just keep taking subscribers away from me. Actually they do, right,
[21:02] Speaker 2: they do. Yeah. So I am so sick and tired
[21:06] Speaker 2: of the shadow band on YouTube and the suppression. Sometimes
[21:12] Speaker 2: I feel like I want to blow up just Google
[21:16] Speaker 2: and everything with it, you know, because they're owned by Google. Yeah.
[21:20] Speaker 2: I can't stand it, and I debate in my head
[21:23] Speaker 2: every day should I do this? I continue doing this?
[21:26] Speaker 2: You know, And if you post on TikTok and everything,
[21:29] Speaker 2: I've tried posting on there in other ways, and it's
[21:31] Speaker 2: never really got any traction. So I stay here on YouTube.
[21:35] Speaker 2: I make a little bit of bad revenue. I make
[21:36] Speaker 2: about five to ten dollars a day. I get a
[21:40] Speaker 2: couple of thousand views a day something like that. Yeah,
[21:43] Speaker 2: and you know, I rely on donations and a little
[21:48] Speaker 2: bit on Patreon a couple I make a couple hundred dollars.
[21:50] Speaker 2: I just got it up to about a couple hundred dollars.
[21:53] Speaker 2: So I'm on fumes and I'm trying to make this
[21:57] Speaker 2: full time. So it's obviously from what I'm telling you, you
[22:01] Speaker 2: can see it's not a lot of money.
[22:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, man, what the same thing here. But we were
[22:07] Speaker 1: fortunate enough to get into the audio podcast end at
[22:10] Speaker 1: a very early stage to where we solidified a pretty
[22:14] Speaker 1: strong audience on that end, and we've never had payment
[22:18] Speaker 1: problems or I don't think they're shadow banning us. They
[22:22] Speaker 1: still may be, because at times it seems very strange
[22:24] Speaker 1: with the numbers that we're getting. But if we weren't
[22:28] Speaker 1: able to secure that audience on the audio side, we'd
[22:31] Speaker 1: be in a very I wouldn't be here talking to
[22:33] Speaker 1: you right now, wouldn't be able to be doing any
[22:35] Speaker 1: of this stuff. But also I had to start supplementing
[22:38] Speaker 1: with the films. I knew that the writing was on
[22:43] Speaker 1: the wall with some of the big platforms that you know,
[22:47] Speaker 1: people like us, they don't want us to grow on there,
[22:50] Speaker 1: so I had to, you know, shift to something else.
[22:53] Speaker 1: And you know, we also sell my producer sells books.
[22:58] Speaker 1: We have other little odds and ends that we do
[23:02] Speaker 1: out there, merch shop stuff like that to try and
[23:05] Speaker 1: supplement everything. But it's very difficult to uh to stay
[23:09] Speaker 1: sustains in this atmosphere.
[23:11] Speaker 2: Are you talking about Spotify for the audio part?
[23:14] Speaker 1: I'm on Spotify. iHeart Apple, all the podcast play, all
[23:18] Speaker 1: the audio platforms.
[23:20] Speaker 2: Gotcha? Gotcha? Yeah, okay, because I was going to say,
[23:24] Speaker 2: you know, how else do you sustain yourself? How how
[23:27] Speaker 2: do you continue you know, on YouTube with such little views?
[23:30] Speaker 2: But that that's that explains it. And know you're you're
[23:33] Speaker 2: probably like me, you know, we're it's it's in your DNA,
[23:36] Speaker 2: you know, it's you'd rather be doing this than the
[23:38] Speaker 2: corporate jobs. So yes, so would I. So would I.
[23:42] Speaker 2: And you know you've interviewed a lot of interesting people
[23:44] Speaker 2: and you've been doing this for a while. Who are
[23:48] Speaker 2: a few of the more interesting people that you've interviewed,
[23:52] Speaker 2: And what are some of your favorite subjects to touch
[23:54] Speaker 2: on in your channel? Oh wow, so.
[23:59] Speaker 1: And there's so many wonderful people that I interview all
[24:03] Speaker 1: the time.
[24:05] Speaker 2: I can.
[24:06] Speaker 1: As far as people, I'm not sure if I could
[24:08] Speaker 1: really pinpoint any right now. I love doctor Joseph Farrell.
[24:12] Speaker 1: I have had him on a few times. My mind
[24:17] Speaker 1: is going blank. It'll come to me. I have someone's
[24:23] Speaker 1: name in my mind. But some of my favorite topics
[24:26] Speaker 1: to cover right now is the nature of reality, what
[24:31] Speaker 1: exactly this matrix system is. I wouldn't consider myself at
[24:38] Speaker 1: all a flat earther, but I do question the nature
[24:41] Speaker 1: of the cosmos and space and what we're doing here
[24:45] Speaker 1: and the mechanics of the matrix, also the layers of
[24:50] Speaker 1: spiritual realms beyond our perception. I am very into how
[24:56] Speaker 1: our perception forms our reality, how we can manifest and
[25:00] Speaker 1: create things based on our own perception and energy, and
[25:08] Speaker 1: the I'm really picking apart the UFO narrative as it
[25:16] Speaker 1: relates to the possibilities of what the beings are. I
[25:20] Speaker 1: do plenty of shows with both sides of the camp,
[25:24] Speaker 1: those that believe that their physical beings coming from different planets,
[25:30] Speaker 1: versus the possibility that they are spiritual entities or interdimensional beings,
[25:35] Speaker 1: maybe non physical thought forms. I cover all of those positive.
[25:40] Speaker 1: You know, many people, the Christians think their demons. I
[25:44] Speaker 1: think that there is an ecosystem of entities beyond our perception,
[25:51] Speaker 1: ranging from benevolent to malevolent, all the way through the spectrum.
[25:56] Speaker 1: And I have trouble with the physical extraterrestrial thing times,
[26:00] Speaker 1: just because of some of the whistleblower guests that I've had,
[26:05] Speaker 1: claiming that behind a lot of the UFO narrative is
[26:10] Speaker 1: psychological operations to perpetuate a fear factor that we need
[26:16] Speaker 1: Daddy government to protect us from something. But I do
[26:20] Speaker 1: think there is something to the advanced technology that and
[26:24] Speaker 1: the free energy aspects that may be creeping in right now.
[26:27] Speaker 1: I think that's why a lot of the scientists have
[26:29] Speaker 1: been gone missing. They're trying to control a narrative based
[26:33] Speaker 1: on energy. I think they have extremely exotic technology and
[26:39] Speaker 1: capabilities beyond what we can imagine right now, and I
[26:43] Speaker 1: think they want to start integrating that not to benefit us,
[26:46] Speaker 1: but to benefit the military industrial complex. And the best
[26:50] Speaker 1: way that they can do that is to start rolling
[26:52] Speaker 1: out some of that exotic technology and say it was
[26:55] Speaker 1: from the Aliens. We reverse engineered their craft, which I'm
[26:59] Speaker 1: not saying that's not the case. I just question a
[27:03] Speaker 1: lot of the narratives that are coming out, and especially
[27:05] Speaker 1: I took a when I was filming my second movie.
[27:09] Speaker 1: We went to Skinwalker Ranch and my good buddy Ryan Burns,
[27:14] Speaker 1: he owns the Space Wolf Research Center, which is right
[27:16] Speaker 1: next door to Skinwalker Ranch, and we went stay a
[27:19] Speaker 1: couple of nights over there, and he was telling me
[27:22] Speaker 1: wild stories. But not only that, we witnessed the Black
[27:27] Speaker 1: Ops teams that were surveying us and watching us, and
[27:30] Speaker 1: he said, anybody that goes out there, they're being surveyed
[27:33] Speaker 1: by Black Ops teams. And much of the phenomenon that
[27:36] Speaker 1: people experience or experiments that the military is experimenting on
[27:41] Speaker 1: people out there, that they are using their exotic technologies
[27:45] Speaker 1: to gauge reactions, to experiment to see what capabilities. Some
[27:51] Speaker 1: of the exotic tech has. Lots of drones, lots of
[27:56] Speaker 1: strange lights orbs, even voice discs, gold technology. One of
[28:02] Speaker 1: the wilder things he said was nano like little nanoparticulates.
[28:07] Speaker 1: He was standing outside with a buddy and these nanoparticulates
[28:11] Speaker 1: started to form this tornado, and the tornado then morphed
[28:16] Speaker 1: into a black, shadowy creature that grabbed his friend and
[28:22] Speaker 1: pushed him up against the wall, and then the particulates
[28:25] Speaker 1: dropped him and they swirled the way back into a tornado.
[28:28] Speaker 1: But he claims he's seen this before and he thinks
[28:31] Speaker 1: it's some kind of exotic military technology. And that's not
[28:35] Speaker 1: to say that the natural paranormal stuff doesn't happen out there,
[28:38] Speaker 1: because it does. There are some crazy things that go on,
[28:42] Speaker 1: But I'll tell I can tell you a few wild
[28:44] Speaker 1: stories that I learned about that as well. But yeah,
[28:49] Speaker 1: I'm not sure where I was going with that.
[28:51] Speaker 2: Oh, I was just simply asking you what some of
[28:53] Speaker 2: the people and some of the topic. Yeah, you enjoyed it,
[28:57] Speaker 2: But what you said about the the mechanics of this matrix,
[29:02] Speaker 2: that's really one of the most interesting aspects of this
[29:07] Speaker 2: whole thing for me too. What is this reality? And
[29:10] Speaker 2: I just had a guy on His name is Andre
[29:12] Speaker 2: the Alchemist three six nine. He's not too widely known,
[29:16] Speaker 2: but he's filled with knowledge, and he talked about the
[29:20] Speaker 2: way that what this what this place is basically our
[29:23] Speaker 2: purpose here, who we are, what is God and all
[29:27] Speaker 2: that stuff. So Alchemi is three six nine. And then
[29:29] Speaker 2: also I had on James True and you're talking about
[29:33] Speaker 2: how perception shapes reality, and of course James True talks
[29:37] Speaker 2: a lot about that in a very abstruse way that
[29:39] Speaker 2: most people don't understand, and called word salad. James, if
[29:43] Speaker 2: you're watching, I'm joking, but James will be back on
[29:45] Speaker 2: the channel, and I am. I mean, there's a million
[29:49] Speaker 2: different ways that I could take the conversation. And we
[29:52] Speaker 2: have about a half hour left.
[29:54] Speaker 1: But.
[29:56] Speaker 2: Let me I'm gonna I'm just gonna throw out another
[29:57] Speaker 2: question here. You mentioned you ma voice to Skull technology.
[30:04] Speaker 2: I do think that that that exists. I'm sure you're
[30:08] Speaker 2: familiar with David Wilcox's staff. Do you think that he
[30:12] Speaker 2: was a victim of voice to Skoll technology or do
[30:14] Speaker 2: you think it was something else. Have you looked into it?
[30:16] Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts on it?
[30:18] Speaker 1: I have not looked into it enough to have a
[30:20] Speaker 1: real opinion on it, but I will tell you that
[30:23] Speaker 1: on and off I followed David's work over the years.
[30:27] Speaker 1: I think he was definitely into some high level things
[30:32] Speaker 1: that most people weren't aware of, but I think he
[30:34] Speaker 1: was also having some severe financial issues and personal issues
[30:40] Speaker 1: and things like that. But it's very difficult to tell.
[30:45] Speaker 1: Based on the last videos he made, the last phone
[30:49] Speaker 1: calls he made, the actual evidence that we get from
[30:54] Speaker 1: the police report, it seems that he was in good
[30:57] Speaker 1: spirits before he was, you know, saying that he would
[31:00] Speaker 1: never kill himself, which you know, that's a very sends
[31:05] Speaker 1: up red flags immediately. But I do know that from
[31:08] Speaker 1: others that I've spoke to that were close to him,
[31:10] Speaker 1: that he was he's having very difficult times and his
[31:13] Speaker 1: wife had divorced him. He owed millions to the tax
[31:17] Speaker 1: to taxes and back taxes, and he owed this aerospace
[31:22] Speaker 1: company millions of dollars that went belly up because of him.
[31:26] Speaker 1: So maybe, you know, it could be he did go
[31:31] Speaker 1: off the deep end plenty of times with some of
[31:33] Speaker 1: the videos that he made that I would have to
[31:37] Speaker 1: question his mental state at the time, and maybe he
[31:41] Speaker 1: could have been being hit by some of that stuff,
[31:43] Speaker 1: but it's very difficult to tell. And then on top
[31:46] Speaker 1: of that, you had the whole Corey Good fiasco which
[31:49] Speaker 1: destroyed him thoroughly. And I think Corey Good is a
[31:54] Speaker 1: very nefarious character as it relates to a lot of
[31:58] Speaker 1: things surrounding David Wilcock. Other than that, I couldn't really say,
[32:02] Speaker 1: you know, what's going on with that? I you know,
[32:05] Speaker 1: I hope he rests in peace. And you know, the
[32:09] Speaker 1: work he did, some of it was amazing.
[32:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever? Have you or do you attend
[32:17] Speaker 2: any spiritual conferences? I went to the Galactic and Spiritual
[32:21] Speaker 2: Conference back in Orlando, I think it was twenty twenty two,
[32:26] Speaker 2: and I met I met some interesting people that one
[32:28] Speaker 2: of them was Tony Rodriguez, who wrote a book called
[32:30] Speaker 2: Cyrus Colony Cuts.
[32:31] Speaker 1: Had him on a while back.
[32:33] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so I have his book. I read it
[32:37] Speaker 2: and I was curious to know what you think about
[32:39] Speaker 2: the twenty and back program. How much do you believe
[32:42] Speaker 2: on that? And you you've had him on the show
[32:43] Speaker 2: so you can talk about it.
[32:45] Speaker 1: So I've had him, and I've also had others that
[32:48] Speaker 1: claim to have been involved with you know, Montuck or
[32:51] Speaker 1: mk Ultra secret Space program, something along those lines. It's interesting, man.
[32:57] Speaker 1: I think they believe their stories. I think that they
[32:59] Speaker 1: truly believe what has happened to them has really happened
[33:03] Speaker 1: to them. Now that being said, within these MK Ultra
[33:07] Speaker 1: mind control black ops programs, where you're groomed from a
[33:11] Speaker 1: child to be whatever they want you to be. There's
[33:15] Speaker 1: extreme dissociation, drug use, torture, rape, all these horrible, terrible
[33:20] Speaker 1: things that are done to these kids in order to
[33:23] Speaker 1: get them to dissociate. And from what I understand, I
[33:27] Speaker 1: had a guest on Shane Bale's he claims to have
[33:30] Speaker 1: been a high level member of an Illuminati family. Again,
[33:33] Speaker 1: nothing is verifiable with any of this stuff, but from
[33:36] Speaker 1: what he told me, and it's I kind of lean
[33:40] Speaker 1: towards this possibility, is that what they're doing with the
[33:43] Speaker 1: Secret Space people is they are giving them significant amount
[33:49] Speaker 1: of drugs, they're dissociating them, and either they are having
[33:55] Speaker 1: these dreams or hallucination, or they're being led somehow hypnotically
[33:58] Speaker 1: to believe that they're going on different planets and fighting aliens.
[34:02] Speaker 1: Because this is all very possible. People have been fed
[34:05] Speaker 1: extremely elaborate fantasies through these MK Ultra programs that they
[34:09] Speaker 1: believe they went through, which they really didn't. So that
[34:12] Speaker 1: is one possibility. Another which is wild, but I think
[34:16] Speaker 1: it's possible that they are really having these experiences. But
[34:19] Speaker 1: it's not off planet like we think. They are projecting
[34:23] Speaker 1: into astral dimensions, different realms, different dimensions that are real,
[34:28] Speaker 1: you know, and they are having these real experiences, but
[34:31] Speaker 1: they're not off planet like we think they are. Consciousness
[34:34] Speaker 1: transfer into just different states of consciousness that we can't
[34:38] Speaker 1: normally access that would be equivalent to what we understand
[34:42] Speaker 1: is different dimensions. I think that's possible, but the amount
[34:48] Speaker 1: of trauma and horrific things that these people went through,
[34:53] Speaker 1: it's very difficult to really tell what they really experienced
[34:58] Speaker 1: and what may have been part part of the operations.
[35:02] Speaker 1: I had doctor Juliette Engel on the other day, and
[35:06] Speaker 1: she was a survivor of the monarch MK Ultra programs,
[35:11] Speaker 1: and she was a very young age and some of
[35:15] Speaker 1: the things that she was telling me is absolutely unbelievable,
[35:19] Speaker 1: the things that they would do to get her to dissociate.
[35:23] Speaker 1: But one of the wildest things I've heard her say,
[35:25] Speaker 1: and this was the first time I've heard a MC
[35:28] Speaker 1: ultra survivor discuss this aspect of it, she said, during
[35:31] Speaker 1: one of the sessions, she was actually being brought under
[35:35] Speaker 1: Disneyland to have these programs taken out on her to
[35:40] Speaker 1: be tortured and all the horrific stuff under Disneyland. She
[35:44] Speaker 1: was also carrying out operations as a honeypot in Disneyland,
[35:47] Speaker 1: trying to frame like regular dads to get her to
[35:51] Speaker 1: try and molest them, and they to molest her, and
[35:54] Speaker 1: they take pictures of her to pictures of the dude
[35:56] Speaker 1: to compromise them. Wild shit like that. But she was
[36:00] Speaker 1: he's taken to this session underground and she was put
[36:03] Speaker 1: on this wheel with satanic symbols all over it, and
[36:07] Speaker 1: they start spinning the wheel and chanting these strange chants,
[36:11] Speaker 1: and she would dissociate and they would, you know, lead
[36:14] Speaker 1: her deep down these fantasies. And also they were trying
[36:17] Speaker 1: to what she claims is they were trying to get
[36:19] Speaker 1: her to release her soul. And she said that she's
[36:22] Speaker 1: seen this happen where people will dissociate and this green
[36:25] Speaker 1: mist will slowly come out of their mouth and these
[36:28] Speaker 1: Satanists will collect it for whatever reason. And they claim
[36:32] Speaker 1: that once that green miss comes out, they can program
[36:35] Speaker 1: it with other alternate personalities, demons, demonic entities, all kinds
[36:40] Speaker 1: of wild stuff. So when you hear things like that,
[36:45] Speaker 1: it's difficult to know if what the victim is telling
[36:48] Speaker 1: you is what actually happened, or you know, if there's
[36:52] Speaker 1: something else to the story. And I think there's a
[36:53] Speaker 1: lot more to all of these stories, but I think
[36:56] Speaker 1: there's a lot of truth to them too.
[36:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really surprised. And when I read Serious
[37:01] Speaker 2: Colony Cavalier, it's so detailed, it goes so you know,
[37:07] Speaker 2: it's not just like he's talking about something in general terms.
[37:10] Speaker 2: He's talking about very very specific people, circumstances, and experiences.
[37:16] Speaker 2: And then when I met Tony in person, he seemed
[37:18] Speaker 2: just like a regular dude. He was eating pizza, drinking beer,
[37:22] Speaker 2: hugging us where there's about twelve of us standing around him,
[37:25] Speaker 2: and he was talking, answering questions. Seemed like a regular guy.
[37:30] Speaker 2: And I'm saying, how can a guy that went through
[37:32] Speaker 2: that experience just be this normal? And some people say
[37:35] Speaker 2: he did it for the money he wrote that book.
[37:37] Speaker 2: It was obviously all fantasy. But why would someone make
[37:41] Speaker 2: that up about themselves? Because there's one thing if you
[37:44] Speaker 2: talk about a character, a fictional character, it's the other
[37:47] Speaker 2: thing that you're saying it all happened to you. And
[37:49] Speaker 2: some of the things he said in that book, there
[37:50] Speaker 2: are a lot of sexual things that happened in that
[37:54] Speaker 2: book that he talks about that are very very explicit.
[38:00] Speaker 2: You wouldn't really read about any too many other spiritual books.
[38:04] Speaker 2: But have you ever heard about Donald Marshall and the
[38:07] Speaker 2: Cloning g Yeah, yes.
[38:09] Speaker 1: Now before I get to that, I just want to
[38:11] Speaker 1: mention this really quick. You mentioned the conferences, and this
[38:16] Speaker 1: may get me into trouble, but from what I've heard,
[38:20] Speaker 1: the people at the highest level of these conferences, the
[38:22] Speaker 1: ones that are actually putting them on, they are CIA assets,
[38:27] Speaker 1: They're CIA handlers, and a lot of people that these
[38:30] Speaker 1: Secret Space or UFO researchers, a lot of people that
[38:33] Speaker 1: they're very close with at higher levels or that are
[38:37] Speaker 1: putting on the conferences, are handling them in some way.
[38:40] Speaker 1: They are pushing them in certain directions, and they're putting
[38:43] Speaker 1: on the conference so that they can have this information.
[38:48] Speaker 1: This you know, free information come out and they can
[38:51] Speaker 1: control it. So they're all about controlling the narratives when
[38:55] Speaker 1: it comes to this stuff, and I think it's it
[38:58] Speaker 1: can be very iffy with a lot of these conferences.
[39:00] Speaker 1: You have to be very careful and look at who's
[39:02] Speaker 1: putting them on and what the what the expectation is
[39:05] Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But yeah, that's pretty wild. But
[39:09] Speaker 1: Donald Marshall, man, that's another wild one. I I never
[39:13] Speaker 1: had him on my show because I just I debated
[39:17] Speaker 1: if his story was too wild. Looking back, I probably
[39:20] Speaker 1: should have had him on. But yeah, his story is
[39:24] Speaker 1: he believes it. I think he does, and a lot.
[39:28] Speaker 2: Of the viewers probably don't have a don't so so
[39:32] Speaker 2: Donald Marshall. He claims he has a website and I've
[39:37] Speaker 2: read through it and I've many videos on him, but
[39:39] Speaker 2: it's been a while. But he basically claims that for
[39:43] Speaker 2: a long time, for most of his life, when he
[39:45] Speaker 2: goes to sleep at night, his consciousness is hijacked and
[39:48] Speaker 2: is taking to a cloning center mostly in Canada, Western Canada,
[39:52] Speaker 2: I believe, and it's it's it's it's a real dream.
[39:57] Speaker 2: He goes to the same place all the time and
[39:59] Speaker 2: he he's made to do certain things there, like sexual acts.
[40:03] Speaker 2: He says there are a lot of Hollywood celebrities there
[40:07] Speaker 2: as well, and he talks about some of the biggest
[40:09] Speaker 2: ones and there are most of them are being exploited
[40:14] Speaker 2: and in a sexual way or for whatever other way,
[40:18] Speaker 2: and there's nothing he can do to stop it and
[40:20] Speaker 2: he goes to sleep. It happens. And he's tried not sleeping,
[40:24] Speaker 2: He's tried everything, and he believes that this is government
[40:27] Speaker 2: technology and that other people are afraid to speak out
[40:31] Speaker 2: about it, but he decided to speak out about it.
[40:33] Speaker 2: There was also another celebrity I think her name was.
[40:38] Speaker 2: She was Vietnamese, a short girl. She used to have
[40:41] Speaker 2: a show on MTV and her name starts with an L.
[40:43] Speaker 2: I can't something like, I can't think.
[40:46] Speaker 1: Of her name right now, but is it Lisa Ling?
[40:50] Speaker 2: No, not Lisa Link, but I can't think of her name.
[40:53] Speaker 2: She had sh had a couple of dating shows. Oh okay,
[40:56] Speaker 2: I enjoyed them actually, and then she she kind of
[40:59] Speaker 2: got heavier and she looks all different now. She got
[41:02] Speaker 2: into spirituality and so she also talks about those cloning
[41:06] Speaker 2: centers as well. But if you go to Donald Marshall's
[41:09] Speaker 2: website and you read what he talked about, I mean
[41:12] Speaker 2: it's some of the most far out there stuff you'll
[41:13] Speaker 2: ever read. So, yeah, I was I want your opinion known.
[41:17] Speaker 2: What do you think about? What are you saying?
[41:20] Speaker 1: Again? I think I'm at the point where I think
[41:24] Speaker 1: anything is possible. It could be another one of those
[41:28] Speaker 1: where he is targeted. Now have you heard of the
[41:33] Speaker 1: Camelio story?
[41:34] Speaker 2: No? I have not.
[41:36] Speaker 1: Okay, Robert Guffey is the author of a book, Camellio,
[41:40] Speaker 1: and I'll break it down for you real quick. It's
[41:42] Speaker 1: the while this story. It takes place in the late
[41:45] Speaker 1: nineties early two thousands. It's about essentially this dude who's
[41:49] Speaker 1: a heroinautic and he's just going to random parties, hanging
[41:52] Speaker 1: out with people. And he's at this party in this
[41:56] Speaker 1: military guy comes over and he was he was on
[42:00] Speaker 1: the run, and he had these exotic goggles that he
[42:04] Speaker 1: stole from a facility and he was showing them around.
[42:08] Speaker 1: And the dude, the guy, you know, I forget. I
[42:11] Speaker 1: think we'll call him Dave just for the sake of it.
[42:13] Speaker 1: I think it's something like that. But Dave, the guy
[42:15] Speaker 1: who's on heroin and you know, just a normal dude
[42:18] Speaker 1: kind of he's just looking at the goggles. He's like, okay, cool,
[42:21] Speaker 1: and he passes him on. Well, the next day he
[42:25] Speaker 1: gets visited by some men in black types and they're
[42:29] Speaker 1: asking him where the goggles are, and they're convinced he
[42:32] Speaker 1: has them for some reason, and he's like, what.
[42:34] Speaker 2: Are you talking.
[42:35] Speaker 1: I don't you know I saw him, I don't have him.
[42:36] Speaker 1: I don't know where the guy is. I don't know
[42:38] Speaker 1: what's going on. And they said, well, if you you know,
[42:41] Speaker 1: if you find anything, you got to come to us immediately.
[42:44] Speaker 1: And as the days gets on, he starts getting harassed.
[42:47] Speaker 1: He starts getting weird phone calls, gang stalked, people are
[42:50] Speaker 1: following him around. He starts to experience weirder and weirder
[42:54] Speaker 1: events around him, and he starts getting harassing phone calls
[42:59] Speaker 1: from and he's like men in black types saying that
[43:01] Speaker 1: he needs to return the goggles or bad things are
[43:04] Speaker 1: going to happen. He's freaking out. You don't know what
[43:06] Speaker 1: to do. Eventually it gets so bad they're sending drones
[43:10] Speaker 1: to his house and he thinks they're UFOs. This is
[43:12] Speaker 1: some of the exotic technology that they had back in
[43:15] Speaker 1: the early two thousands that they were testing it on
[43:18] Speaker 1: this guy. So basically they decided to use this guy
[43:20] Speaker 1: as a test subject just because he was a nobody
[43:23] Speaker 1: heroin Addict didn't have any friends or family perfect test subjects,
[43:27] Speaker 1: so they started sending drones out that looked like UFOs.
[43:30] Speaker 1: They started with frequency weapons voice to skull technology, beaming
[43:35] Speaker 1: voices into his head, these other frequency weapons that would
[43:39] Speaker 1: make him hallucinate. They were taking him at night to
[43:43] Speaker 1: fake abductions. They were dressing his aliens and coming harass him,
[43:47] Speaker 1: drugging him up. He had one evening where he looked
[43:51] Speaker 1: out his window and it was like there was space
[43:53] Speaker 1: and planets outside his window, and he's like, what the hell.
[43:56] Speaker 1: He goes out his front door and it's just regular,
[43:58] Speaker 1: everything's normal. He goes back in side, looks out his
[44:00] Speaker 1: window and it's like space and planets outside. They were
[44:04] Speaker 1: messing with him so bad. He eventually got in touch
[44:08] Speaker 1: with the author book, Robert Guffey, to tell his story.
[44:12] Speaker 1: I think eventually after a while they just stopped messing
[44:16] Speaker 1: with him and experimenting on him. But some of the
[44:18] Speaker 1: things they were doing were so wild. They even sent
[44:22] Speaker 1: short humans like jockey sized dudes, like you know, little
[44:26] Speaker 1: people into his house and they were wearing invisibility cloaks
[44:31] Speaker 1: and they were moving shit around in his house to
[44:33] Speaker 1: make him think he had poltergeists. That is the extense
[44:37] Speaker 1: that you know, these people were going to. And that
[44:40] Speaker 1: was the early two thousands when they were testing all
[44:43] Speaker 1: this stuff, so who's to say what kind of technology
[44:47] Speaker 1: they have, what they're capable of doing, and you know
[44:50] Speaker 1: what they're capable of doing with someone's consciousness. Have you
[44:53] Speaker 1: ever talked to Vicky joy Anderson?
[44:56] Speaker 2: No, No, I haven't.
[44:57] Speaker 1: She is an expert on sleep paralysis. She comes at
[45:00] Speaker 1: it from a very heavy Christian perspective, but she also
[45:04] Speaker 1: talks about dream hacking. Now. She believes they have the
[45:07] Speaker 1: technology to enter people's dreams and control with the scenarios
[45:11] Speaker 1: that are happening. Have you ever heard of mall world dreams. No,
[45:16] Speaker 1: it's a new recurring phenomenon where people, mostly who have
[45:21] Speaker 1: been involved with the childhood Gate program, are having recurring
[45:25] Speaker 1: dreams of being in a mall, a dilapidated mall, strange
[45:29] Speaker 1: beings following them around. And also they're associated with classrooms.
[45:32] Speaker 1: They will be taken to different classes and taught things,
[45:35] Speaker 1: and it's very realistic. It's very consistent. The landscapes are
[45:41] Speaker 1: always consistent, the entities and beings they interact with is
[45:45] Speaker 1: always the same and consistent. And they believe it has
[45:49] Speaker 1: something to do with the Gate program. You know what,
[45:51] Speaker 1: the Gate program, Gifted and Talented. They believe it's associated
[45:54] Speaker 1: with MK ultra.
[45:56] Speaker 2: But you can. Yeah, I've heard something about it, but
[45:59] Speaker 2: if you want to go so yeah.
[46:00] Speaker 1: So it's theorized at the Gifted and Talented program. Whenever
[46:04] Speaker 1: you're a young kid and you get tested for all
[46:07] Speaker 1: these things and you get taken to special classes the
[46:10] Speaker 1: Gifted and Talented Supposedly, what that really is is a
[46:13] Speaker 1: recruiting for the CIA and military Industrial Complex to find
[46:17] Speaker 1: people with extraordinary abilities like psychic abilities and psionic abilities, telekinesis,
[46:23] Speaker 1: things like that ability to talk to aliens or other beings,
[46:27] Speaker 1: and they use the Gate program to sift through these
[46:29] Speaker 1: people and they do some crazy tests on them. They
[46:32] Speaker 1: used to do some horrific things like drug them, LSD
[46:35] Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff, but they somehow wipe the kid's
[46:38] Speaker 1: memory before they go back home, so the kid just
[46:40] Speaker 1: thinks they're going to an after school program and learning
[46:42] Speaker 1: some stuff. Really they're being groomed for these ultra secret
[46:46] Speaker 1: CIA and government black ops programs. One guy was being
[46:51] Speaker 1: groomed and interviewed him. He was being groomed to communicate
[46:55] Speaker 1: with craft Mint telepathically. Another one, and they're all groomed
[47:00] Speaker 1: for different things. Some are groomed for celebrity positions. Some
[47:03] Speaker 1: are groomed for political positions, some are groomed to be
[47:06] Speaker 1: assassins in honeypots, and you know, sexual deviance that go
[47:14] Speaker 1: out and compromise people, crazy stuff. They have all these
[47:18] Speaker 1: different niches that they groom people for within these programs,
[47:22] Speaker 1: and it's speculated gait is, you know, a recruitment for that.
[47:30] Speaker 2: What do you What is your take on celebrity clones
[47:33] Speaker 2: because I've watched a number of videos on it. There
[47:37] Speaker 2: was a really good video on Rumble that I watched
[47:39] Speaker 2: some years ago, and of course people come out with
[47:41] Speaker 2: these videos all the time on TikTok and x. They
[47:46] Speaker 2: claim that celebrities like, for instance, Jim Carrey, Dave Chappelle,
[47:50] Speaker 2: they may no longer be with us, and then what
[47:53] Speaker 2: we're seeing is a clone. And that's why Dave Proppelle
[47:55] Speaker 2: is no longer funny and he's different. Jim Carrey looks
[47:58] Speaker 2: a couple of maybe had surgery. But you know, it
[48:04] Speaker 2: also brings up the question these clones do they have
[48:08] Speaker 2: a soul? What is a clone? I mean, have you
[48:12] Speaker 2: looked into this?
[48:13] Speaker 1: I haven't really looked into it too much. I've had
[48:15] Speaker 1: a few guests on that talk a bit about this,
[48:19] Speaker 1: and it is a it's a very compelling theory because
[48:24] Speaker 1: of what you just said. You know, these like the
[48:27] Speaker 1: reason with Jim Carrey that was very strange the way
[48:31] Speaker 1: he's looked, you know, these other ones, Kanye West, even
[48:36] Speaker 1: going back to Paul McCartney, the possibility that they're cloning,
[48:41] Speaker 1: I think it is possible. I think they have been
[48:43] Speaker 1: able to clone humans for a very very long time.
[48:48] Speaker 1: I had a guest recently, Guy Anderson. Have you spoken
[48:51] Speaker 1: with him yet? No. I have wrote Tesla and the
[48:54] Speaker 1: Cabbage Patch Kids about Tartaria, and he has a very
[48:58] Speaker 1: interesting theory about clone. He believes that in the old
[49:02] Speaker 1: world before a massive reset, which you might consider Tartaria,
[49:07] Speaker 1: that we had very high technology and we were able
[49:10] Speaker 1: to clone humans even then, and that what we were
[49:15] Speaker 1: seeing after like during the World's Fair when they were
[49:20] Speaker 1: having these incubator babies and they were showing off all
[49:23] Speaker 1: the premature babies, and they had also the orphan trains
[49:28] Speaker 1: where they were shipping in children across the planet to
[49:33] Speaker 1: work in minds and to repopulate. And he believes that
[49:38] Speaker 1: a lot of these were clones that, just like you said,
[49:41] Speaker 1: really have no spiritual net connection. They have no soul essentially,
[49:45] Speaker 1: and they're created to repopulate the planet as essentially in PCs,
[49:50] Speaker 1: and those if two of those have a child together,
[49:55] Speaker 1: they will create another NPC in that and that explains
[50:00] Speaker 1: a lot of the sleepers that we see in our reality,
[50:03] Speaker 1: don't I think that's a pretty controversial take on it.
[50:07] Speaker 2: I don't.
[50:08] Speaker 1: I'm not sure I agree with the NPC thing. I
[50:11] Speaker 1: think there may be, you know, just a lack of
[50:14] Speaker 1: a connection at times, But in my perspective, it might
[50:18] Speaker 1: be a little dehumanizing to consider someone in PCs. But
[50:22] Speaker 1: his perspective on clones and orphan trains and what they
[50:25] Speaker 1: were doing at the World's Fairs with the incubator babies,
[50:29] Speaker 1: he presents a pretty compelling argument that maybe cloning has
[50:33] Speaker 1: been around for a very very long time, which I
[50:36] Speaker 1: wouldn't doubt. And they had that interview with the guy
[50:41] Speaker 1: who claims he was a clone and he has the
[50:43] Speaker 1: barcode and everything.
[50:45] Speaker 2: He's talking about Kid Are you talking about kid boo? Yes?
[50:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, very compelling you know, conversation and information that comes
[50:52] Speaker 1: out of that. So I think it's highly possible that
[50:56] Speaker 1: there are clones man.
[50:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, And that the Vietnamese woman that I've into. Her
[51:00] Speaker 2: name is Tila Tequila.
[51:02] Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, the words she shifted
[51:06] Speaker 1: into a Reptilian while having sex with Billy Corgan.
[51:11] Speaker 2: Anythings possible. But you know, we're coming up to the
[51:17] Speaker 2: final leg of the interview, in final ten minutes, and
[51:19] Speaker 2: I wanted to basically touch on something else that you
[51:24] Speaker 2: you also talk about on your channel, which is the
[51:27] Speaker 2: construction of our reality. Do you believe that the reality
[51:31] Speaker 2: that our reality is simulated? Do you believe it's the
[51:33] Speaker 2: mind of God? Do you believe it's just something biological?
[51:37] Speaker 2: Or And also there are other realms, There are other
[51:40] Speaker 2: dimensions besides Earth. Is that also part of the simulation?
[51:44] Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
[51:46] Speaker 1: This is what I'm constantly going back and forth and
[51:49] Speaker 1: struggling and going deeper into and trying to understand, because this,
[51:52] Speaker 1: to me is one of the biggest mysteries of our
[51:55] Speaker 1: existence here. What is the mechanics of this reality? Well?
[51:59] Speaker 1: Are we some kind of computer simulation? I for a while,
[52:05] Speaker 1: I was really into simulation theory and it was very
[52:09] Speaker 1: troubling for me. It was troubling for my spiritual journey,
[52:14] Speaker 1: and it didn't sit right with me. So all I
[52:18] Speaker 1: can tell you is based off of my very profound
[52:21] Speaker 1: psychedelic experiences what I was essentially shown through those experiences,
[52:27] Speaker 1: because I would always, you know, go in questioning if
[52:30] Speaker 1: I could learn about more about what this reality is.
[52:35] Speaker 1: And as far as my current understanding in this is
[52:39] Speaker 1: subject to change, it's subject to grow or expand with
[52:44] Speaker 1: new information. But I do currently believe that we are
[52:49] Speaker 1: in a collective holographic dream state that is being constructed
[52:55] Speaker 1: by our collective and individual sels observing and experiencing the world,
[53:02] Speaker 1: and that essentially all funnels up to what we would
[53:06] Speaker 1: call source, and source is where everything eminates from, and
[53:12] Speaker 1: we are essentially the learning tentacles of source, the learning feeler,
[53:17] Speaker 1: the learning fractals that are being omitted from source so
[53:23] Speaker 1: that the experience can occur. And how we experience time
[53:30] Speaker 1: is just the way that the universe source is reflecting
[53:38] Speaker 1: the information that it is absorbing from each of our
[53:42] Speaker 1: individual selves. And I think it's much more complex than that,
[53:46] Speaker 1: because I do think each of ourselves has free will
[53:49] Speaker 1: and we can choose to experience whatever we want, and
[53:53] Speaker 1: that gives us our own personal incarnation in our lives.
[53:57] Speaker 1: But we are still one and we're still connected through
[54:01] Speaker 1: the experience, and we are creating everything as we experience it,
[54:07] Speaker 1: and even the other dimensions and the other realms are
[54:11] Speaker 1: all interconnected and part of this collective dream experience, and
[54:15] Speaker 1: it's like a a as above, so below there are
[54:20] Speaker 1: micro versions that go on forever and ever, smaller realm
[54:23] Speaker 1: smaller and smaller, and they're larger realms that go on
[54:26] Speaker 1: forever and ever, just outside our perception that are all
[54:29] Speaker 1: different versions of this, all different reflections of what we're
[54:32] Speaker 1: experiencing now. So in this material world, we're having a
[54:36] Speaker 1: certain experience, but that's also reverberating in a national realm
[54:40] Speaker 1: where we're having a similar experience, but it's different because
[54:43] Speaker 1: it's a different density. And then that goes up to
[54:46] Speaker 1: a higher level where we're having a different kind of experience,
[54:48] Speaker 1: and that also goes to the lower levels. And I
[54:52] Speaker 1: think that it's all necessary so that we can learn
[54:54] Speaker 1: from it, so that we can experience the worst of
[54:57] Speaker 1: the worst and decide we don't want that anymore and
[54:59] Speaker 1: gravit towards the best of the best.
[55:04] Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on What are your thoughts on
[55:07] Speaker 2: the Mandel effect? What do you think could be causing.
[55:09] Speaker 1: It ow that's interesting. I've seen some really more than
[55:16] Speaker 1: compelling Mandela effects, things that I would swear it on
[55:20] Speaker 1: my life that used to be one way and now
[55:23] Speaker 1: have completely changed. There's, you know, the theories of CERN,
[55:26] Speaker 1: which I think is highly possible they could be messing
[55:30] Speaker 1: with our our time continuum somehow with what they're doing
[55:35] Speaker 1: at CERN. There's also the theory that at high levels
[55:42] Speaker 1: they are messing with time travel in some way that
[55:46] Speaker 1: could be affecting our reality and changing things that I'm
[55:51] Speaker 1: sure you heard of the Ingersoll Lockwood Baron Trump stories.
[55:56] Speaker 2: Yes, I've covered them multiple times on my channel.
[55:59] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Well there's a theory essentially, you know that
[56:03] Speaker 1: the Tesla's time travel technology was taken by John Trump,
[56:09] Speaker 1: Donald Trump's uncle, and they've been using it to essentially
[56:15] Speaker 1: plot where we're going in the future, what the the
[56:18] Speaker 1: moves that they're going to make. That's why Donald Trump
[56:21] Speaker 1: is where he's at. They've been able to kind of
[56:24] Speaker 1: look back or look into the future and be able
[56:27] Speaker 1: to tell some of the events that are happening, and
[56:29] Speaker 1: in that process may have changed a few things or
[56:33] Speaker 1: tweaked a few things. I think that's a fascinating possibility.
[56:37] Speaker 1: I love that that Inger saw luck with you conspiracy theory,
[56:42] Speaker 1: there may be something to it. I don't see why,
[56:44] Speaker 1: you know, I don't see how these pieces can fit
[56:48] Speaker 1: together and not have some kind of significant real effects
[56:52] Speaker 1: in our reality.
[56:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too coincidental. Yeah about little Baron Trump, the
[56:58] Speaker 2: don and the last president. And also the fact that
[57:03] Speaker 2: in Back to the Future Part two, Biff who yeah,
[57:07] Speaker 2: sort of proposedly controls the whole town, right, the whole
[57:10] Speaker 2: world looks like Donald Trump. And also that the Simpsons
[57:15] Speaker 2: that the Simpsons kind of predict Donald Trump with that
[57:18] Speaker 2: escalator scene.
[57:20] Speaker 1: Well, I have a theory about the predictive programming, Okay
[57:23] Speaker 1: that you know, many just believe that there are high
[57:27] Speaker 1: level occultists in Hollywood and our music and television and
[57:31] Speaker 1: vision industry that are planting this, you know, predictive information
[57:37] Speaker 1: into films like Snake Eyes is the best example recently
[57:41] Speaker 1: with the Charlie Kirk assassination, all the strange synchronicities that
[57:45] Speaker 1: came up with that one. Well, I have a different
[57:48] Speaker 1: perspective on that. I think there's retro causality in this construct.
[57:52] Speaker 1: I think that if an event has enough power and
[57:55] Speaker 1: reverberation that it reverberates forward and backward through what we
[57:59] Speaker 1: understand in his time, and this causes things to show
[58:05] Speaker 1: up in people's imagination. Hence, a writer for a movie
[58:09] Speaker 1: is going to get inspiration from a retrocausal event that
[58:12] Speaker 1: was so powerful that it reverberated back and he decided
[58:16] Speaker 1: to write about it in a movie, not knowing what
[58:18] Speaker 1: it meant, not knowing why, but it came out like
[58:22] Speaker 1: you know, back to the future, like you were just saying,
[58:25] Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, snake Eyes. There are a few other movies
[58:29] Speaker 1: that have very powerful predictive programming that has manifested in
[58:35] Speaker 1: our reality. And I lean towards that possibility that there's
[58:40] Speaker 1: just such powerful events that can happen in our reality
[58:43] Speaker 1: that show up through our media, through our reality, through synchronicities,
[58:48] Speaker 1: through music, through many things that we experience.
[58:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that time is
[58:56] Speaker 2: more malleable than everything, just those realities more malleable. A
[59:00] Speaker 2: good book on that is Lynn McTaggart's The Field. She
[59:03] Speaker 2: wrote this book years ago and I read it and
[59:06] Speaker 2: I thought, Wow, we can influence the past, We can
[59:09] Speaker 2: influence you know, a lot, a lot of things here
[59:13] Speaker 2: in the world, but.
[59:15] Speaker 1: Something else along those lines. I went to mention real quick. Sure,
[59:18] Speaker 1: A very powerful healing experience that I had with psychedelics
[59:22] Speaker 1: was a childhood traumatic experience, where in when I was
[59:30] Speaker 1: under the effects of the mushrooms, I had an out
[59:32] Speaker 1: of body experience where I traveled back to a very
[59:35] Speaker 1: traumatic event that I experienced as a child, and I
[59:39] Speaker 1: essentially shielded myself in that vision from that event and
[59:43] Speaker 1: I saved myself from it. And when I came out
[59:46] Speaker 1: back out of the psychedelic experience, I know there was
[59:50] Speaker 1: a level of trauma that was just called There was
[59:52] Speaker 1: just such peace, and I could think about that experience
[59:56] Speaker 1: and just feel peace and it wasn't anxiety anymore. So
[1:00:00] Speaker 1: I think that again, when we're having experiences like meditation
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: or psychedelics, something much more is happening than a hallucination.
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: I think we are accessing some of those realms that
[1:00:11] Speaker 1: we're speaking of tonight, and some of the past present
[1:00:14] Speaker 1: in future events that are possible. I've also had an
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: experience on mushrooms where I saw a future or an
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: alternate version of myself that was a scientist doing an experiment,
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: and he looked at me and I looked at him
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: and he said, by God, we've done it, and the
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: portal clothes that I was seeing him from and my
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: whole experience just kind of devolved and I popped out
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: of that one too. But wild things like that happened
[1:00:41] Speaker 1: quite often during my psychedelic experiences that really helped form
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: what I think is really happening here.
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of my favorite ways to gain access
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: to what's happening here is to look at the remote viewers, say,
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: because I think the remote viewers are onto something just
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: out of curiosity. Have you ever read the book Alien
[1:01:01] Speaker 2: Agenda by Jim Mars? Yes, okay, so there's a chapter
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: towards the end. It's in the three hundred round, three
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: hundred fifty pages. It's called in the Mind Sky or
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: in the Mind's Eye excuse me, in the Mind's Eye.
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: And I did a video on it yesterday and they asked,
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: I believe it was five or six remote viewers to
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: remote view aliens, the UFO presence, all that stuff, right,
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: And they came back with some similar stories. They said
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: that the UFOs were anywhere from two hundred to three
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: thousand years in the future, but they're here today. And
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: I was just curious. One of my last questions here
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: is what is your take on remote viewing? Have you
[1:01:41] Speaker 2: had any remote viewers on the show. I'm going to
[1:01:43] Speaker 2: have a remote viewer. I believe his name is Paul
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: Paul Smith. I don't know if you've heard of him. Yeah,
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: I'm going to have them on the show soon. But
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: what is your take on the remote viewers?
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: I'm all in on remote viewing. I think there is
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: very profoundperiences that have come out of that, and I
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: think that there's definitely something to it. I think that
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: it's an effective form of information gathering past, present, in future,
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: and I think I've had several remote viewers on, including
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: Lynn Buchanan who they made the movie Minutes Derek Goats.
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: He was one of the characters that they were portraying there,
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: and he claims that he was so successful with it
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: that he was able to essentially make Saddam Hussein get
[1:02:31] Speaker 1: sick by remote viewing and having a certain intention over him.
[1:02:37] Speaker 1: You know, no way to tell if that's true. But
[1:02:40] Speaker 1: as well as finding the finding like paper in a
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: drawer that has schematics or information about weapons, things like that,
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: that ends up being true. There has to be something
[1:02:53] Speaker 1: to it. I've had one remote viewing experience where I
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: was walked through how to do it myself and it
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: was seen very successful. It was with a lady who
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: gave me a target that she didn't tell me what
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: it was, but I was able to see like a
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: shoreline and seagulls in the ocean, and she was basically
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: giving me a target information of a beach that she
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: grew up with that she was always, uh, you know, frequenting, frequenting.
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: But that's the only time I should really try and
[1:03:27] Speaker 1: do it again, because, you know, being successful that first time,
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: maybe I could do it more. But that's about all
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: I've had with my personal experiences. But I do think
[1:03:36] Speaker 1: there is really something to remote viewing.
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, have you ever heard of associated remote viewing ARV?
[1:03:44] Speaker 1: So?
[1:03:44] Speaker 2: Associated remote viewing is a different form of remote viewing
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: in which the remote viewer has only asked to pick
[1:03:51] Speaker 2: from two outcomes. So did the team winner, did they lose?
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: Did this stock co opera? Did it go down? That
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: kind of thing? And they equate each outcome with a
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: particular thing. That thing could be a color, could be
[1:04:06] Speaker 2: a taste, could be a shape, anything, and so it's
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: it's also a blind. It's a blind. You know. Remote
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: viewers are not asked did the Yankees win today? They're
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: actually given like just a number, right, and so they
[1:04:20] Speaker 2: write this number down a piece of paper and then
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: they remote view what comes to them. And if they
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: remote view the correct what is an out one of
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: the two outcomes. Let's say it's black and white and
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: they get black, then you're like, okay, that's so the
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: stock is probably going to go whatever you equate black
[1:04:41] Speaker 2: to up down, or the Yankees are going to win
[1:04:43] Speaker 2: or lose. And that people use associated remre viewing to
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: actually make money in the stock market, to bet on things,
[1:04:50] Speaker 2: to find things out. So it's a much simpler form
[1:04:52] Speaker 2: of remote viewing because you're only narrowing it down to
[1:04:55] Speaker 2: two choices. But I think it's still difficult because I know,
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: I don't know a lot about it. I don't know
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: if you actually give the two choices to the remote
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: viewer and say remote view white or black, or you
[1:05:06] Speaker 2: just say here's your target number, what do you see?
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: That would make it much tougher.
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: But I'd absolutely love to experience something like the Munroe
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: Institute's Gateway program how they walk you through some of
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: these things. It's something that I've heavily considered doing and
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: may very well do in the future. I think it
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: would be a great experience for that.
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: Absolutely, Chris, it's been a pleasure having you on the
[1:05:32] Speaker 2: show being on yours as well, And if you could
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: just tell your viewers where they could find you, I'll
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: put your links below as well.
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, thanks again, Chad, this was awesome. You can
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: find me Forbidden Knowledge News on YouTube, Rumble and all
[1:05:48] Speaker 1: podcast platforms. We do prefer that you listen on the
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: audio podcast if at all possible. We also are on
[1:05:55] Speaker 1: all the social media platforms, and we would love if
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: you go out and watch which My film's first film
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: is a Cult Louisiana. It is out on two B
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: right now. And the second film is Doors of Perception.
[1:06:07] Speaker 1: It is out on Amazon Prime. And I'm working on
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: my third film, Case three six nine Chris and the
[1:06:14] Speaker 1: Quantum Gait. It's not going to be a documentary, well,
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: it's going to be a sci fi comedy mockumentary. I'm
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: branching out a little bit for this one, having some
[1:06:22] Speaker 1: fun with it. So co check those out and Chad,
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: thank you so much. We'll have to do this again
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: for sure.
[1:06:28] Speaker 2: Absolutely, Thank you, Chris. Okay, awesome, awesome man.
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: Now we're to ask you before you go. I forgot
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: to press record on my end. Could you send me
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: this recording when you get a chance.
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: Sure, sure, let me just I'll stop recording.

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