# FKN Classics Double Feature! William Ramsey - Serial Killers | Brian McCoach - UFO Psyop

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 30 Aug 2026, 2 h 11 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Today I
[0:07] Speaker 1: want to welcome back to the show William Ramsey. He
[0:10] Speaker 1: is an attorney, author, and researcher. Graduate of the University
[0:14] Speaker 1: of California, Berkeley with a degree in history. He has
[0:18] Speaker 1: authored several books and produced documentaries.
[0:22] Speaker 2: William, welcome back. How you doing?
[0:24] Speaker 3: Doing well, Chris. Thanks for having me back. Thanks for
[0:27] Speaker 3: the invite.
[0:28] Speaker 2: Yes, great to have you back.
[0:30] Speaker 1: These are always fascinating conversations. And today we're going to
[0:33] Speaker 1: discuss the disturbing realms of serial killers, mainly the smiley
[0:38] Speaker 1: face killings and the possibility that some of these crimes
[0:42] Speaker 1: throughout our modern history may have either been part of
[0:46] Speaker 1: organized cults or even more disturbing for me that some
[0:50] Speaker 1: of these psychopaths may have been willing or unwilling participants
[0:54] Speaker 1: in a much larger black operation. and we're going to
[0:58] Speaker 1: be going over some of the more recent cases that
[1:02] Speaker 1: you've been looking at and see if we can peel
[1:04] Speaker 1: back some of these layers. But before we get to
[1:07] Speaker 1: any of this, for those that may not be familiar,
[1:10] Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your work and what
[1:13] Speaker 1: led you to look into these cases.
[1:16] Speaker 3: Good question. I really kind of became kind of like,
[1:19] Speaker 3: you're what your shirt says, question everything. One of those
[1:21] Speaker 3: types of people, I was very distrustful of the corporate media.
[1:25] Speaker 3: I always thought that they didn't look, uh, enough into
[1:28] Speaker 3: some of these stories. So I did a lot of
[1:30] Speaker 3: my own research. It led to me writing my first
[1:32] Speaker 3: book in 2010 about Aleister Crowley. And then I did
[1:38] Speaker 3: some work on this West Memphis Three, because there was
[1:41] Speaker 3: more to that story. And then I was following up
[1:43] Speaker 3: with this story about children of the beast, people Crowley influenced.
[1:47] Speaker 3: And while I was doing that, I kept seeing these
[1:48] Speaker 3: smiley faces pop up and all these people who follow Crowley, like,
[1:51] Speaker 3: what are you doing with a smiley face? So it
[1:53] Speaker 3: led me to like, try to figure out what the
[1:55] Speaker 3: symbol meant. It was kind of like, obviously there's an
[1:59] Speaker 3: exoteric meaning of just a smiley happy face, but why
[2:03] Speaker 3: were all these guys having this? Alan Moore and Genesis P.
[2:06] Speaker 4: Orange.
[2:07] Speaker 3: So that led me to kind of this theory that
[2:10] Speaker 3: people had bandied about. I thought it was an urban
[2:12] Speaker 3: myth of this notion of the smiley face killers, which
[2:14] Speaker 3: really was forwarded or put out by two guys, Gannon
[2:19] Speaker 3: and Gilbertson, and Duarte was Gannon's police partner. So Gannon
[2:24] Speaker 3: and Duarte were in New York City. Gilbertson was, I think,
[2:27] Speaker 3: somewhere in Minnesota or Wisconsin. But that was it. So
[2:32] Speaker 3: I thought like this is I'm going to look into this.
[2:34] Speaker 3: So I started looking into it maybe 2015, 2016. And
[2:38] Speaker 3: then I actually followed a couple of cases. There was
[2:41] Speaker 3: a young man out of Columbus, Ohio, was really the
[2:45] Speaker 3: first case that I covered. His name was Joey Labute.
[2:48] Speaker 3: And he disappeared out of a bar in downtown Columbus.
[2:52] Speaker 3: And I, so like people were looking onto it. There
[2:54] Speaker 3: were other researchers on Facebook or Twitter. And like, if
[2:57] Speaker 3: this guy shows up in the river, this is going
[3:00] Speaker 3: to be like this typical phenomenon of young men disappearing
[3:04] Speaker 3: out of college bars or something later to be found
[3:06] Speaker 3: in river in places I've previously searched as well. So
[3:11] Speaker 3: that would be kind of how we describe this phenomenon.
[3:14] Speaker 3: Young men disappeared without saying anything. So it's not like
[3:18] Speaker 3: a standard drowning where like, You and I went out
[3:21] Speaker 3: to the lake, and I had a misadventure and couldn't
[3:25] Speaker 3: be found. I mean, this is something that happens at night, typically.
[3:28] Speaker 3: Almost all these cases happen at night. Nothing's during the day.
[3:31] Speaker 1: Now, what was the mainstream narrative that first came out
[3:35] Speaker 1: whenever the media first started reporting that there were smiley
[3:40] Speaker 1: face killers that were leaving this certain signature?
[3:44] Speaker 3: Good point. So, it has been covered by a number
[3:48] Speaker 3: of journalists and There's this debunking. The FBI put something out,
[3:52] Speaker 3: I think, in 2008 that said that this they could
[3:54] Speaker 3: find no evidence that this was a crime. So there
[3:58] Speaker 3: have been other debunkers or people who have downplayed it.
[4:02] Speaker 1: And did it first come out in the media in
[4:03] Speaker 1: was it in the 90s?
[4:07] Speaker 3: You can trace maybe the first case is a guy
[4:09] Speaker 3: by the name of McNeil in 1997. That was the
[4:11] Speaker 3: first kind of public case. There might have been something
[4:14] Speaker 3: or things that happened before that. But that was so
[4:17] Speaker 3: it's really kind of a fairly recent phenomenon. uh there
[4:20] Speaker 3: have been like the mob has dumped bodies in rivers
[4:23] Speaker 3: for like 50 years or lakes and stuff like that
[4:26] Speaker 3: like they they like uh hudson bay is apparently like
[4:29] Speaker 3: a huge number but uh those are the most recent
[4:32] Speaker 3: cases i think is is kind of they call mcneil
[4:35] Speaker 3: uh victim zero but it really has kind of skyrocketed
[4:40] Speaker 3: since that 1997 case he was a young college student
[4:44] Speaker 3: who went to fordham was mcneil in manhattan last seen
[4:48] Speaker 3: in manhattan Now, when.
[4:49] Speaker 1: You put that in Google, the first thing that comes
[4:52] Speaker 1: up is Keith Hunter Jepperson, Canadian.
[4:55] Speaker 3: Jesperson, right.
[4:56] Speaker 2: Jesperson, yeah.
[4:57] Speaker 1: Canadian-American serial killer. What's up with this guy?
[5:00] Speaker 3: Well, that guy, that's a distinction between what's termed the
[5:04] Speaker 3: smiley face killings. And he was known as the happy
[5:06] Speaker 3: face killer because he would write the same kind of
[5:09] Speaker 3: smiley face on his letters. But he was a serial
[5:11] Speaker 3: killer who killed women. He was a truck driver.
[5:14] Speaker 2: Okay.
[5:15] Speaker 3: So some people conflate those two together. I would say
[5:17] Speaker 3: they're two different. sections, I think it's really kind of
[5:20] Speaker 3: the victims, like the victimology, the typology of the Smiley
[5:23] Speaker 3: Feast killers as men, as opposed to kind of like
[5:27] Speaker 3: a guy who just got allegedly busted as the Lisk
[5:31] Speaker 3: Gilgo Beach serial killer. His name is Heuermann, right? Supposedly,
[5:37] Speaker 3: he's allegedly the guy responsible for the serial killing, but women.
[5:41] Speaker 3: So these cases seem to be men. But like I said,
[5:44] Speaker 3: going back to Joey LaBute, Joey LaBute was kind of
[5:47] Speaker 3: just to kind of wrap up how I became interested
[5:48] Speaker 3: in these cases. Joe was a first. He was found
[5:52] Speaker 3: 19 days later in the Scioto River, very close, previously searched.
[5:56] Speaker 3: So why is that? And so then I really kind of,
[5:59] Speaker 3: something clicked in my mind. I've got to follow these cases.
[6:01] Speaker 3: So I followed and really have just watched this whole
[6:04] Speaker 3: thing progress. It died down over COVID, over pandemic, but
[6:07] Speaker 3: then it really skyrocketed in Chicago and Austin. There's been
[6:10] Speaker 3: a lot of cases. And Chicago's had just an incredible
[6:14] Speaker 3: spate of cases really since, the end of the pandemic,
[6:18] Speaker 3: very recently. People talk about serial killers and names. But
[6:22] Speaker 3: I keep following and watching these cases. Another researcher who
[6:26] Speaker 3: I use, I've made two documentaries on the subject. And
[6:30] Speaker 3: the first one was 2017, and the second was over
[6:33] Speaker 3: the pandemic, 2021. But I used a guy by the
[6:36] Speaker 3: name of Jim Smith. And you can see him on Twitter,
[6:39] Speaker 3: at SmileyFaceCult. He's really followed these cases as well. We
[6:42] Speaker 3: kind of synced up. He was my research advisor. guy
[6:45] Speaker 3: for the first documentary, but he's seen almost 50 to
[6:49] Speaker 3: 100 cases predicted. This guy's going to be found in
[6:52] Speaker 3: a river because they all fit the same pattern. They're
[6:54] Speaker 3: out late at night. They start acting strange, out of question.
[6:59] Speaker 3: They're usually really healthy. Why would they drown? They had
[7:02] Speaker 3: a guy just now in Chicago, Seamus Gray, who was
[7:05] Speaker 3: a merchant marine. He worked in water. Supposedly got lost
[7:09] Speaker 3: and drowned, which really strains fragility. It's not believable. But
[7:15] Speaker 3: That's how I got interested. That's how I've been interested.
[7:20] Speaker 3: It hasn't been the focus of all my time. But
[7:23] Speaker 3: I just have been keep going with these cases. And
[7:26] Speaker 3: then it's like what just happened in Martha's Vineyard. The president,
[7:31] Speaker 3: this guy's out there out swimming and something goes on.
[7:34] Speaker 3: And the guy supposedly drowned. They found him the next day.
[7:37] Speaker 3: Like if they reported him missing, it's very strange. Like
[7:40] Speaker 3: these are very strange. That might have been a real drowning.
[7:43] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[7:43] Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
[7:45] Speaker 1: There are very odd-seeming connections with a lot of this stuff. Now,
[7:50] Speaker 1: you mentioned that some of the earliest connections can even
[7:56] Speaker 1: go back to the teachings of Crowley and followers of Crowley.
[8:02] Speaker 1: Could you explain a little bit about how that connects?
[8:07] Speaker 2: Well.
[8:09] Speaker 3: Crowley kind of definitely believed in kind of human sacrifice.
[8:12] Speaker 3: And there are kind of rituals and things like that,
[8:14] Speaker 3: that involve water dropping, you know, totems in water and
[8:18] Speaker 3: things like that. So maybe this is something like that.
[8:20] Speaker 3: Some of the deeper things I've studied also people who
[8:25] Speaker 3: knew about Crowley, but this group called the order of
[8:28] Speaker 3: nine angles, which you're supposed to kind of commit a murder,
[8:31] Speaker 3: but not get caught. Like that's actually part of their
[8:34] Speaker 3: doctrines really is to create chaos and what they would
[8:38] Speaker 3: call an op for, which is a German word for sacrifice.
[8:42] Speaker 3: But I think Crowley could be involved. I think definitely
[8:47] Speaker 3: his followers seem to know something. And my understanding is
[8:51] Speaker 3: that the smiley face concept goes back to William Burroughs,
[8:54] Speaker 3: who was kind of a stone-cold witch. I mean, that
[8:57] Speaker 3: was his writing. They put him in the kind of
[9:02] Speaker 3: alternative or counterculture figure. But he was an occultist, and
[9:07] Speaker 3: apparently that this is where it comes from is that's
[9:10] Speaker 3: how people kind of learned about this whole smiley face concept.
[9:14] Speaker 3: And my understanding is what the, I talked about the
[9:17] Speaker 3: exoteric meaning, the esoteric meaning is to smile through tragedy
[9:22] Speaker 3: or maintain this kind of happy or well-being, even when
[9:28] Speaker 3: tragedy surrounds you or tragic things happen. So that's that.
[9:33] Speaker 3: And I've seen that actually referenced by a number of people. So,
[9:38] Speaker 3: That's what I think it really means. And that was
[9:40] Speaker 3: how it got the name is that the original two
[9:42] Speaker 3: guys who were investigating where they think the bodies went
[9:46] Speaker 3: into the water, somebody would spray paint a smiley face.
[9:48] Speaker 3: So that's how this phenomenon got the label of a
[9:52] Speaker 3: smiley face.
[9:53] Speaker 4: Right.
[9:53] Speaker 1: So now you sent me quite a few cases that
[9:56] Speaker 1: have been occurring in recent years. Maybe we could go
[10:00] Speaker 1: over some of these cases, some of the most profound
[10:04] Speaker 1: evidence and interesting information that you found from some of these,
[10:09] Speaker 1: starting with the earliest one you sent me is in 2015.
[10:14] Speaker 3: Right. So I kind of separated those cases by region.
[10:17] Speaker 3: So I did Austin, Chicago, There were recent cases in
[10:22] Speaker 3: Vancouver and then Houston. But, yeah, those ones in Austin,
[10:28] Speaker 3: the most recent, like there's a whole spate of them
[10:31] Speaker 3: that ended up in water most recently in 2023. But
[10:35] Speaker 3: the first one was Julio Santos. He was found in Lady.
[10:39] Speaker 3: These are all found in Lady Bird Lake, too, which
[10:40] Speaker 3: is really strange. But it's big news in Austin. It
[10:43] Speaker 3: didn't seem to these stories didn't seem to get national.
[10:46] Speaker 2: And where is Lady Bird Lake at?
[10:49] Speaker 3: If you looked at a map of Austin, you'd see
[10:52] Speaker 3: the downtown and then kind of Rainy Street, which might
[10:55] Speaker 3: be their kind of tourist area. And then just beneath that,
[10:59] Speaker 3: the river flows through just south of downtown into Lady
[11:03] Speaker 3: Bird Lake. It's named after LBJ's wife, right? Lady Bird. Okay.
[11:08] Speaker 3: So it's really right there. It's kind of in the
[11:10] Speaker 3: midst of, you know, the whole downtown area. But there's
[11:14] Speaker 3: been this spate and, you know, people are talking. The
[11:16] Speaker 3: most recent was like this guy, Moga Dogal. And June 27th,
[11:20] Speaker 3: really not that long ago, just a month ago. But yeah,
[11:23] Speaker 3: there's been a whole spate of them. Then there was
[11:26] Speaker 3: one guy who was a survivor, which is an interesting story.
[11:29] Speaker 3: His name was Christopher Pugh. And he disappeared and was
[11:33] Speaker 3: missing for like two days. And he had no 60,
[11:36] Speaker 3: for 60 hours, he had no memory of what happened
[11:38] Speaker 3: to him. And he's found in the shrubs.
[11:40] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[11:41] Speaker 3: So clearly, and a lot of the original researchers, Gannon
[11:44] Speaker 3: and Gilbertson has found like a connection. to gbh right
[11:49] Speaker 3: gbh is an endogenous chemical in your body but at
[11:53] Speaker 3: higher doses it causes you to kind.
[11:55] Speaker 1: Of gbh i've heard of ghb is this ghb okay
[11:58] Speaker 1: okay right on right on it's.
[12:00] Speaker 3: Gamma hydroxy butyrate or something like that but it's actually
[12:03] Speaker 3: kind of known as a kind of a kind of
[12:06] Speaker 3: a roofy date rape drug yeah yeah i don't think
[12:09] Speaker 3: it has any flavor i don't think you can you
[12:11] Speaker 3: can tasted either.
[12:13] Speaker 1: No unfortunately i had experience with that myself in in
[12:16] Speaker 1: my early 20s someone had dosed one of my drinks
[12:20] Speaker 1: and and i almost got in my car and died
[12:22] Speaker 1: and killed myself for you know just one starting to
[12:25] Speaker 1: drive but luckily my friends caught me and didn't allow
[12:28] Speaker 1: anything else to happen but yeah i never figured out
[12:30] Speaker 1: what exactly happened with that but it was like i'd
[12:33] Speaker 1: had no memory of anything i just kind of passed
[12:36] Speaker 1: out behind my steering wheel woke up I don't know
[12:39] Speaker 1: how much later with my friends surrounding me trying to
[12:42] Speaker 1: wake me up, but it was pretty terrifying.
[12:45] Speaker 3: Were you in kind of a downtown urban area?
[12:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it was a small town. It was in
[12:51] Speaker 1: South Louisiana. This was in the probably late 90s, somewhere
[12:58] Speaker 1: around that time.
[12:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[13:01] Speaker 3: Well, a lot of those bars, there's a connection of drugging.
[13:03] Speaker 3: A lot of people are getting drugged. There were druggings
[13:05] Speaker 3: on Rainy Street in Austin. And here in L.A., there's
[13:08] Speaker 3: a lot of stories about people getting drugged. There was
[13:10] Speaker 3: actually a drug drugging thief group in Austin who got busted,
[13:15] Speaker 3: who were going to these bars and drugging people and
[13:17] Speaker 3: taking their money because they were good marks. And actually,
[13:20] Speaker 3: the same thing happened in New York City. So these
[13:22] Speaker 3: are very recent. So maybe these cases are associated with
[13:25] Speaker 3: these groups of people drugging people, taking their money, and
[13:28] Speaker 3: maybe somebody dies or something like that. But yeah, there's
[13:32] Speaker 3: really strange things going on. So people have to really
[13:34] Speaker 3: be careful.
[13:35] Speaker 1: Now, as far as these recent cases, they had the
[13:38] Speaker 1: same similarities as the previous cases, bodies found in water,
[13:42] Speaker 1: it's all men of a certain age?
[13:46] Speaker 3: Pretty much. I mean, the age groups are a little
[13:48] Speaker 3: older in some of these, like there was a 40-year-old,
[13:50] Speaker 3: a 30-year-old. One of the guys was very curious, like Jonathan,
[13:55] Speaker 3: I think his name was, it was Jason John. He
[13:58] Speaker 3: had a connection, he had a, his girlfriend worked for
[14:03] Speaker 3: Echo Health Alliance, like one of these people involved in
[14:05] Speaker 3: the whole COVID scandal. So some of these are very strange.
[14:09] Speaker 3: There was a Cunningham guy who died and who was
[14:10] Speaker 3: found in a river who worked at the CDC. He
[14:13] Speaker 3: was a Harvard trained epidemiologist or something like that, disappeared
[14:18] Speaker 3: and then found a river. So strange things have happened.
[14:21] Speaker 3: But yeah, the Austin cases have all that similarity. Last
[14:24] Speaker 3: seen downtown partying or drinking with friends disappeared. Nobody knows
[14:29] Speaker 3: where they went. And then found later in water. And
[14:31] Speaker 3: that's kind of like the interesting thing that differentiates these
[14:35] Speaker 3: cases from a standard drowning. Is that like people will
[14:39] Speaker 3: see like Joe went swimming and drowned. Like we know
[14:42] Speaker 3: he went in the water. But nobody sees these people
[14:44] Speaker 3: go in the water. There's no like somebody, oh yeah,
[14:47] Speaker 3: I saw him at 2.30. I was out smoking a
[14:51] Speaker 3: cigarette and I saw the dude acting strange and jump
[14:53] Speaker 3: in the water. Nobody ever sees that. That's what really
[14:56] Speaker 3: typifies drowning. The SFK phenomenon is that nobody sees these
[15:00] Speaker 3: people go in water. They're just found there.
[15:02] Speaker 1: It seems like some of these are just automatically being
[15:06] Speaker 1: dismissed as accidental drownings. Nothing suspicious. Police say or nothing
[15:11] Speaker 1: suspicious happened with this case. That's very interesting when especially
[15:16] Speaker 1: with some of the details that you were sharing, like
[15:18] Speaker 1: some of these people are trained to be around water
[15:22] Speaker 1: and it's very uncharacteristic.
[15:25] Speaker 3: Of them to just drown.
[15:26] Speaker 1: So. are there any other cases where it seems like
[15:30] Speaker 1: very odd circumstances that the police are just ruling accidental?
[15:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, there's tons like going back. Like these are the ones,
[15:38] Speaker 3: the outline that I sent you are just the recent cases,
[15:40] Speaker 3: but a lot of these older cases are very strange.
[15:43] Speaker 3: There's cases out of Pittsburgh. There's recent cases out of Pittsburgh,
[15:47] Speaker 3: but one who I followed is Dakota James. And he
[15:51] Speaker 3: was a swimmer. He was like the head of a
[15:52] Speaker 3: swim team, a team in high school. Like they found him,
[15:55] Speaker 3: like they supposedly said he drowned. He was fit as
[15:57] Speaker 3: a fiddle, you know, like a young athletic guy. But
[16:02] Speaker 3: what was strange about that case, he was found in
[16:04] Speaker 3: the Ohio River 40 days after he disappeared, but his
[16:07] Speaker 3: body was almost in perfect shape. There was no sign
[16:10] Speaker 3: of decomposition. So where was Dakota James for 40 days?
[16:14] Speaker 3: And that similarity of a lot of these cases is
[16:16] Speaker 3: that people are found. There was one of the early
[16:19] Speaker 3: cases that Gannon studied out of, what is it, LaSalle or?
[16:25] Speaker 3: somewhere in Wisconsin where the body had been deliberately frozen.
[16:30] Speaker 3: So they found it in a, in a state of
[16:32] Speaker 3: being thought out. So somebody was doing really heavy duty,
[16:35] Speaker 3: clever stuff. And that's how that one killer in New
[16:39] Speaker 3: York city got the name, the ice man, right. That, um,
[16:42] Speaker 3: forgot his name, but he was a serial killer, mob
[16:45] Speaker 3: hit man. And he would confuse the police by taking
[16:48] Speaker 3: his victims and shoving him in a, um, in like
[16:51] Speaker 3: a refrigerator.
[16:52] Speaker 1: Does there seem to be a lot of mob crossover with,
[16:55] Speaker 1: with some of this stuff?
[16:57] Speaker 3: Some aren't, that's kind of what's strange about it. It's
[16:59] Speaker 3: like a lot of these guys are pretty straight. The
[17:02] Speaker 3: victims who I would call victims are pretty straight laced.
[17:05] Speaker 3: They're educated. They're smart. Um, they're not a lot of
[17:10] Speaker 3: the family. One of the giveaways that something happened or
[17:13] Speaker 3: misadventure happened is the family members say like, this is
[17:17] Speaker 3: totally out of character for this guy. Um, almost all
[17:20] Speaker 3: of them do like, that's how you can tell is like, yeah,
[17:23] Speaker 3: he only has two drinks a night. Like, what are
[17:25] Speaker 3: you talking about? This is not a heavy drinker. Um, but, um, the, the,
[17:31] Speaker 3: they're not, there doesn't seem to be a mob element.
[17:34] Speaker 3: There seems to be in this, the, the Gannon and
[17:36] Speaker 3: Gilbertson had said this is that there seems to be
[17:39] Speaker 3: some group with a similar interest in this targeted population
[17:44] Speaker 3: that's communicating online and they use symbols and things like that.
[17:47] Speaker 3: So Gannon and Gilbertson have said, They found like 10
[17:51] Speaker 3: symbols associated with it. So it has that kind of
[17:54] Speaker 3: trappings of occultism. And there was a really interesting case
[17:58] Speaker 3: that just happened last year. I think it was November, 2022.
[18:01] Speaker 3: The young man luckily survived, but he went out to
[18:05] Speaker 3: go take, go, go take a leak after a TD
[18:09] Speaker 3: garden game. There's been like four cases or three cases
[18:12] Speaker 3: out of TD garden in Boston. Boston is definitely a hotspot,
[18:16] Speaker 3: but he went out to go to the bathroom and
[18:19] Speaker 3: he doesn't remember anything. And he was found in the
[18:22] Speaker 3: water face down, like 10 minutes later by his friends. Like,
[18:25] Speaker 3: where's Joe? I forgot his name, but you can see
[18:27] Speaker 3: this interview online and he doesn't remember. And he was
[18:30] Speaker 3: pulled from the water by his friends. And there was
[18:33] Speaker 3: a mystery guy there who was pulled. They have a
[18:36] Speaker 3: picture of him, but nobody knows why he was there,
[18:39] Speaker 3: what he was doing with this like potential victim. So
[18:42] Speaker 3: it was just a really interesting case. Yeah, really. So
[18:45] Speaker 3: there's all kinds of strange.
[18:48] Speaker 2: Go ahead.
[18:49] Speaker 3: Well, I'm just saying there's all kinds of high weirdness
[18:52] Speaker 3: involved in a lot of these cases. Like there's guys
[18:54] Speaker 3: who like this guy, Pew. There's another one in Boston.
[18:58] Speaker 3: Just like strange things. Like one of the original cases
[19:01] Speaker 3: was a Bobby Hurley guy who came out of TD
[19:03] Speaker 3: Garden and was waiting for his girlfriend. He had his
[19:06] Speaker 3: phone and literally just disappeared later to be found. And
[19:09] Speaker 3: I think it's the Charles River.
[19:12] Speaker 1: Now, as far as survivors, how many documented survivors... have
[19:17] Speaker 1: you come across and what information could they have provided
[19:22] Speaker 1: as to any evidence?
[19:24] Speaker 3: That's a good question. The thing is, they can't remember.
[19:27] Speaker 3: So like Christopher Pugh, they don't know that he doesn't
[19:29] Speaker 3: remember anything because he was drugged. And there's been a
[19:32] Speaker 3: couple other, there's been some reports by another guy I've
[19:35] Speaker 3: heard who was found next to a river. Same thing
[19:39] Speaker 3: happened in Wisconsin. There was a survivor who something like
[19:44] Speaker 3: went wrong. There was another guy who's found like underneath
[19:48] Speaker 3: like a turnstile. he just woke up he was like
[19:51] Speaker 3: drinking in a bar and then came to his senses
[19:54] Speaker 3: like far away and he went to the judge you
[19:57] Speaker 3: know they took him in i think they busted him
[19:59] Speaker 3: for trespassing he says i'm really sorry i don't really
[20:01] Speaker 3: know what happened to me i just woke up there
[20:04] Speaker 3: that's when i came to consciousness so um there the
[20:10] Speaker 3: The notion of a survivor, the other thing is that, like,
[20:12] Speaker 3: somebody may be caught for one of these cases, and
[20:15] Speaker 3: then they don't see it as a serial killing, right?
[20:17] Speaker 3: So there was a guy in Michigan, his name was Katunski,
[20:21] Speaker 3: who was on, there's also a correlation between, like, male
[20:25] Speaker 3: dating apps. Like, the original guy that I was talking
[20:28] Speaker 3: to you about, Joey Labute, was on a male dating app.
[20:32] Speaker 3: I don't know if it was Grindr or not. But
[20:34] Speaker 3: this guy, Latunski, was on Grindr. And he found some guy,
[20:37] Speaker 3: I can remember his name because it's the same name
[20:39] Speaker 3: of the actor, Kevin Bacon. And the cops did a
[20:43] Speaker 3: great job, actually, and traced him back to this guy
[20:46] Speaker 3: Latonsky's house. And Latonsky said, yeah, come on in. Yeah,
[20:49] Speaker 3: no worries. It was almost like Silence of the Lambs
[20:51] Speaker 3: or something like that. Because they went and said, can
[20:54] Speaker 3: we check downstairs? And so the cops went downstairs. And
[20:57] Speaker 3: the cops found a fake panel with a dungeon. And
[21:00] Speaker 3: there was the victim upside down. And Latonsky had eaten
[21:03] Speaker 3: his testicles. And he just finally got sentenced. Yeah, he
[21:07] Speaker 3: got sentenced just within the last year. But he might
[21:11] Speaker 3: have been involved in all kinds of stuff. He actually
[21:13] Speaker 3: worked in Pittsburgh. So some of these guys, they don't
[21:16] Speaker 3: get caught for the whole series. Like Huneman, this guy
[21:19] Speaker 3: who got busted for the list killings. Looks like he
[21:21] Speaker 3: was killing people for a long time.
[21:24] Speaker 1: And it's possible that some of these guys that have
[21:27] Speaker 1: been caught are connected in some way?
[21:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Latonsky is a good case in point of
[21:34] Speaker 3: that because... Because he had a very active social media life.
[21:39] Speaker 3: And he carried... He had some symbol around his neck
[21:42] Speaker 3: of a werewolf. And they were online talking with other
[21:47] Speaker 3: people with the same interest in men. They were all gay.
[21:51] Speaker 3: But all kinds of weird coded messaging. He said, I'm
[21:55] Speaker 3: the last guy you want to meet on a night out.
[21:58] Speaker 3: He would say really threatening stuff. They were anti-Christian. So.
[22:03] Speaker 3: It was a weird group. If I was a cop,
[22:05] Speaker 3: I'd be investigating all those people.
[22:07] Speaker 1: Well, speaking of the cops, it's with the fact that
[22:11] Speaker 1: it seems that a lot of these are just being
[22:13] Speaker 1: ruled accident, accidental drowning. How probable is it that there
[22:17] Speaker 1: is police involvement or a cover-up of some sort?
[22:22] Speaker 3: That's a great question. I think that some of these
[22:24] Speaker 3: are covered up, and I've talked to other people about this,
[22:26] Speaker 3: and I think the incentive of the authorities is to
[22:28] Speaker 3: downplay any deaths and murders. whether it's on college campuses
[22:32] Speaker 3: because of the financial interest. Like, why would you send
[22:35] Speaker 3: your son to college if there was a serial killer there, right?
[22:39] Speaker 3: So I think at the end, it's kind of somebody
[22:41] Speaker 3: I talked to who made the correlation between this thing and, like, Jaws, right?
[22:47] Speaker 3: So Amityville, yeah, there's no shark, everybody get back in
[22:49] Speaker 3: the water, you know, that kind of thing. So it's
[22:53] Speaker 3: almost kind of like, so I think that the authorities
[22:56] Speaker 3: want to downplay. Now, I know that the authorities... are
[22:59] Speaker 3: aware of this kind of phenomenon because they've showed up
[23:02] Speaker 3: at certain meetings so for example the mother of joey
[23:05] Speaker 3: labute went and talked to the da in pittsburgh and
[23:11] Speaker 3: in that in that meeting with somebody from the secret
[23:13] Speaker 3: service in the fbi so why would they be there
[23:17] Speaker 3: so that was really joey labute is a very interesting
[23:19] Speaker 3: case to look at for a wide variety of reasons
[23:22] Speaker 3: but he's uh One of the other interesting things about
[23:25] Speaker 3: the medical examination of Joey LaBute is that it was
[23:28] Speaker 3: done by a Chinese guy, and nothing came out to
[23:31] Speaker 3: the public, and the family wisely got Cyril Wecht, who's
[23:36] Speaker 3: a very famous medical examiner who lives in Pittsburgh, to
[23:40] Speaker 3: take a look at the body, and he found something different,
[23:42] Speaker 3: which was ligature marks around the neck of Joey LaBute.
[23:45] Speaker 3: So I think that's why these bodies are thrown in water,
[23:48] Speaker 3: is to remove evidence of anything, whether it's torture or stuff,
[23:53] Speaker 3: and And the same thing actually happened with McNeil, this
[23:56] Speaker 3: one case I mentioned in 1997. The family never got
[23:59] Speaker 3: a copy of the autopsy. But when they got a
[24:03] Speaker 3: copy of the autopsy and had somebody check it out,
[24:06] Speaker 3: McNeil had been blowtorched above the waist. And they said
[24:09] Speaker 3: that there were rope burns like he was tied in
[24:11] Speaker 3: a chair. Yeah. So really dark, like heavy duty, like
[24:15] Speaker 3: BDSM stuff. And there are ties of that kind of
[24:17] Speaker 3: thing involved in this, too. But I think that that's
[24:20] Speaker 3: kind of what these cases are, are abductions. They're being
[24:23] Speaker 3: held for a time and then murdered either there and
[24:26] Speaker 3: then dropped in the water.
[24:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[24:27] Speaker 3: So they're pre-drowned or something like that, which is why
[24:30] Speaker 3: if you look at the cover of my first documentary,
[24:34] Speaker 3: I kind of, I mean, it's pretty dark stuff. I
[24:35] Speaker 3: don't think it's happening everywhere, but I think that it's
[24:39] Speaker 3: a kind of crime and MO that these evildoers have
[24:46] Speaker 3: practiced to not get caught.
[24:48] Speaker 4: Hmm.
[24:48] Speaker 3: But the cover of my first, just one sec, the
[24:51] Speaker 3: cover of my first documentary shows a guy who's all
[24:53] Speaker 3: tied up in leather and it has a tube into
[24:56] Speaker 3: his neck like he's being drowned. And it was based
[24:58] Speaker 3: upon a video called Broken that was associated with the
[25:02] Speaker 3: Nine Inch Nails band and was directed by a very
[25:05] Speaker 3: dark actor, a guy who was a member of the
[25:08] Speaker 3: Illuminates of Thanateros. Thanateros, death and sex, right? So... I
[25:14] Speaker 3: really covered a lot of that kind of darkest culture.
[25:17] Speaker 3: Like it's the darkest part of a modern culture. I
[25:20] Speaker 3: really covered that element within my first documentary. If you
[25:23] Speaker 3: want to check it out.
[25:24] Speaker 1: No, it's also very interesting that a lot of, even the,
[25:28] Speaker 1: the known serial killers that have been caught and that
[25:31] Speaker 1: we know about lots of them have either military ties
[25:36] Speaker 1: have been in the military family members that are involved
[25:40] Speaker 1: with military industrial complex. And in some way, So those
[25:45] Speaker 1: connections send a lot of red flags out.
[25:49] Speaker 3: They certainly do. There's a lot. You can go through
[25:53] Speaker 3: the trace. You can read McGowan's program to kill and
[25:55] Speaker 3: see how many people are associated with the military. If
[25:58] Speaker 3: they have a military industrial complex or military, and if
[26:02] Speaker 3: they were in there, some of them literally were like
[26:04] Speaker 3: mind control subjects, like Gary Eidnick was totally schismogenified. Like
[26:10] Speaker 3: he was in there and then he went crazy. Some
[26:12] Speaker 3: of these guys go just like they are. Somebody does
[26:15] Speaker 3: something to you, drugs or something like the same thing
[26:17] Speaker 3: happened with Whitey Bulger. He was like one of the
[26:19] Speaker 3: early MKUltra subjects. And like he had 17. I mean,
[26:25] Speaker 3: he was a legit serial killer. He was a mobster.
[26:28] Speaker 3: But I think he had 17 kills under his belt.
[26:30] Speaker 5: Wow.
[26:31] Speaker 3: So, yeah, there's a lot. I mean, that's like a
[26:34] Speaker 3: whole part of that book is very important is that
[26:37] Speaker 3: it shows that some of these guys are in the military.
[26:40] Speaker 3: They're being tested on or tankered with.
[26:43] Speaker 1: Or possibly even created as some sort of assassin, and
[26:48] Speaker 1: maybe the serial killer is a cover for something much
[26:52] Speaker 1: deeper going on, possibly.
[26:54] Speaker 3: There was a really interesting– I wonder if I can
[26:57] Speaker 3: find this. No, it's called– there was a guy called–
[27:00] Speaker 3: and it's in Program to Kill. His name was Narut.
[27:03] Speaker 3: It was N-A-R-U-T, and he made something through NATO in 1975.
[27:10] Speaker 3: where he did a thesis for his master's, I think
[27:13] Speaker 3: it was, talking about how the ONI or somebody, one
[27:18] Speaker 3: of these government agencies was literally recruiting people and turning
[27:22] Speaker 3: them into assassins. And it was totally covered up. Like
[27:24] Speaker 3: you can't even find a reference to that anymore. But
[27:28] Speaker 3: that was really just showing that these programs existed within
[27:31] Speaker 3: the government to actually create killers and things like that.
[27:36] Speaker 3: All through that MKUltra program that started in 1953, by
[27:40] Speaker 3: dolus but these that was actually you know part of
[27:44] Speaker 3: uh some of these programs is to do that and
[27:46] Speaker 3: some of these guys came out of the phoenix program
[27:48] Speaker 3: right phoenix program was this really heavy duty psychological operation
[27:53] Speaker 3: in vietnam and then they came out and influenced people
[27:56] Speaker 3: so shawcross was one of these guys who was a
[27:59] Speaker 3: killer i think in new york serial killer who went
[28:02] Speaker 3: through phoenix and then uh ramirez his family member went
[28:06] Speaker 3: through the phoenix program in vietnam So there's definitely ties
[28:11] Speaker 3: there between these government kind of operations and these serial killers,
[28:16] Speaker 3: no doubt.
[28:17] Speaker 1: Now, there's a few other serial killers that I want
[28:19] Speaker 1: to take a look at that I know you've looked into.
[28:22] Speaker 1: One very recently that I'm not sure if you looked
[28:25] Speaker 1: into yet, the Long Island killer that was recently caught,
[28:29] Speaker 1: Rex Heuermann. Have you done any research into this case?
[28:33] Speaker 3: I have. I've done a lot. I've actually did a
[28:35] Speaker 3: show program on my podcast, William Ramsey Investigates, about him.
[28:38] Speaker 3: So I looked into him in detail, yeah. And he's
[28:41] Speaker 3: an interesting character. I probably, there's more victims than what
[28:46] Speaker 3: they had him for, like the original criminal complaint or
[28:52] Speaker 3: whatever had three or four victims from Gilgo Beach. But
[28:56] Speaker 3: he was telling people and his associates that there were
[28:59] Speaker 3: 10 deaths. So how would he know that there were
[29:02] Speaker 3: 10 deaths when they're only attributing four to him? Or
[29:05] Speaker 3: they have enough evidence to attribute four to him. But
[29:08] Speaker 3: it was an interesting case. He had this other dark side.
[29:10] Speaker 3: His wife didn't know anything about him. She's divorced him,
[29:13] Speaker 3: but he had this kind of burner phones that he
[29:16] Speaker 3: would use. And he was a real monster. He would
[29:20] Speaker 3: take his victim's phones and torment the families. So by
[29:25] Speaker 3: using the cell phone signals, they could trace... These calls
[29:29] Speaker 3: that he supposedly allegedly made to the families to his business,
[29:33] Speaker 3: his business office in Manhattan.
[29:36] Speaker 1: Now, on the other side of the coin, do you
[29:37] Speaker 1: think some of these guys are legitimately acting? on their
[29:40] Speaker 1: own will and just are complete psychopaths, lone gunmen?
[29:47] Speaker 3: It's a really good question. I mean, I think that
[29:49] Speaker 3: some of them seem to communicate. I think that there
[29:51] Speaker 3: are communications between killers or evildoers online or the dark web.
[29:58] Speaker 3: He had fake names. He had two fake names. He
[30:02] Speaker 3: was on really gnarly child pornography searches on his phone.
[30:11] Speaker 3: Torture and rape and stuff like that. I think that
[30:16] Speaker 3: they've done studies. I've studied and had my initial inquiry
[30:21] Speaker 3: because it's the males that are the victims. I was
[30:23] Speaker 3: looking at the homosexual angle. So I looked at the
[30:26] Speaker 3: homosexual serial killers. I've done shows on Dahmer, Baumeister, Eiler,
[30:33] Speaker 3: who was a Midwestern serial killer. And there was another guy,
[30:37] Speaker 3: a gay serial killer. Port in London, who was drugging
[30:43] Speaker 3: guys with GHB. And then there was another guy who
[30:46] Speaker 3: had 100 victims in L.A. But I've talked to these
[30:49] Speaker 3: separate authors separately, the people who've kind of talked to them.
[30:53] Speaker 3: They said that there's no way that these guys could
[30:56] Speaker 3: have operated individually. There was another suspect that was never
[31:00] Speaker 3: caught with Eiler. He was suspected to be involved with him,
[31:07] Speaker 3: but Eiler was smart. He would go to different jurisdictions
[31:14] Speaker 3: to commit his crimes so that he would assume that
[31:17] Speaker 3: they would not communicate with each other. Then there was
[31:20] Speaker 3: another one, this one serial killer whose name I I
[31:23] Speaker 3: can't remember his name, but there was bodies thrown from
[31:26] Speaker 3: a car. So what, what they surmise is there's no
[31:30] Speaker 3: way a guy can drive and Chuck 150 pound body
[31:33] Speaker 3: out there at the window at the same time. So
[31:35] Speaker 3: it has to be somebody else. So a lot, some
[31:37] Speaker 3: of these guys are working groups and there's been group killers,
[31:40] Speaker 3: whether it's the hillside strangler here in Los Angeles, where
[31:44] Speaker 3: I'm at, where two guys were together, Bianchi and Bono. And, um,
[31:51] Speaker 3: I assume there's a Chicago Ripper crew. Like, it's a
[31:53] Speaker 3: weird thing, but the Chicago Ripper crew, the guy, Gecht,
[31:58] Speaker 3: worked for John Wayne Gacy. Like, it's off the charts.
[32:01] Speaker 3: So in Gacy, there was victims who survived Gacy who
[32:04] Speaker 3: said that Gacy was in the room and somebody turned
[32:07] Speaker 3: a light off in another room. So, like, somebody else
[32:09] Speaker 3: knew what Gacy was up to.
[32:11] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[32:12] Speaker 1: Well, now that we're on Gacy, you were telling me
[32:15] Speaker 1: some other interesting, lesser-known facts about that case before we
[32:19] Speaker 1: got started. What else have you found out about Gacy
[32:22] Speaker 1: that most people probably wouldn't know about?
[32:25] Speaker 3: Well, he was like his target was young men. Right.
[32:29] Speaker 3: He was attracted to men. So he fit the kind
[32:32] Speaker 3: of profile, maybe like a offender who was doing these
[32:34] Speaker 3: smiley face killings. But the last four victims in Chicago,
[32:37] Speaker 3: Gacy lived in Chicago, were dumped in bodies of water. Right.
[32:41] Speaker 3: So that's how he would dispose of bodies, much like
[32:43] Speaker 3: the Atlanta child killings.
[32:45] Speaker 4: Right.
[32:45] Speaker 3: They were all thrown in bodies of water. And for
[32:49] Speaker 3: a variety, probably for a variety of reasons. But, um,
[32:52] Speaker 3: the other thing about Casey is that he was investigated
[32:54] Speaker 3: and there's, uh, for actual, like other young men who
[32:58] Speaker 3: were found in bodies of water outside of Chicago, because
[33:01] Speaker 3: he would travel around. And there's actually a really interesting
[33:04] Speaker 3: video about a guy who met Casey in like Kentucky,
[33:08] Speaker 3: who Casey was trying to like, he thought he was
[33:11] Speaker 3: trying to kill him and he had the cuffs and
[33:13] Speaker 3: stuff like that. But he found out later that there
[33:15] Speaker 3: was a detective in Chicago. He was trying to track
[33:19] Speaker 3: down these cases and track down what Gacy was up to.
[33:22] Speaker 3: So Gacy was smart too. He was leaving the jurisdiction
[33:25] Speaker 3: to find victims and he would go to other states
[33:28] Speaker 3: and things like that. So there's probably disappearances and deaths
[33:33] Speaker 3: associated with Gacy that aren't in the standard.
[33:36] Speaker 2: And Gacy did have military ties too, right?
[33:40] Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't recall. I don't recall. I mean,
[33:42] Speaker 3: he was, he was a known political activist in Chicago.
[33:46] Speaker 3: Like he, had parties, and he was very social. He
[33:50] Speaker 3: dressed up as a clown and stuff like that. Interesting.
[33:53] Speaker 3: I don't know about his military background.
[33:55] Speaker 1: Now, you also mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer, and they just recently
[33:59] Speaker 1: had the Netflix movie sort of glamorizing his psychopathy there.
[34:06] Speaker 1: What have you found out about Dahmer that may not
[34:09] Speaker 1: fit the narrative that we're being told?
[34:12] Speaker 3: Well, they kind of got into his Satanism, but he
[34:15] Speaker 3: was definitely into the occult. He definitely had military ties.
[34:18] Speaker 3: He went to Germany. He served for, I can't remember
[34:21] Speaker 3: how long, but he also was a drugger, right? He
[34:26] Speaker 3: was kicked out of certain bathhouses in the Chicago area. Actually,
[34:34] Speaker 3: he was in the Milwaukee area. That's why he had
[34:36] Speaker 3: to go to Chicago. And actually, one of the interesting
[34:38] Speaker 3: ties about Dahmer is the connection between him and Barack Obama,
[34:45] Speaker 3: both bathhouse marauders in Chicago right around the same time,
[34:50] Speaker 3: right around the early 90s. You can look up a
[34:53] Speaker 3: place called Man's Country, and there's a lot of interesting evidence.
[34:59] Speaker 3: Man's Country was like a bathhouse, but there's pictures of
[35:03] Speaker 3: the operator of Man's Country with Barack Obama, and Barack
[35:07] Speaker 3: Obama was rumored to be a member there before his
[35:10] Speaker 3: political career took off. his charmed political career, you know,
[35:15] Speaker 3: going from Chicago to Senator to president. And then this,
[35:20] Speaker 3: this happened yesterday is, is, is, uh, you know, look
[35:25] Speaker 3: for a long time, cook chef, uh, ended up in
[35:28] Speaker 3: water drowned. And that actually happened to the longtime chef
[35:31] Speaker 3: of the Clintons as well, supposedly drowned in a body
[35:33] Speaker 3: of water in, um, in, in Colorado, actually.
[35:39] Speaker 4: So like mysterious kind of, Now, is there some kind
[35:44] Speaker 4: of occult symbolism or message behind leaving offerings in the
[35:50] Speaker 4: water that it was some part of a Crowleyan ritual?
[35:53] Speaker 1: Is there any other type of occult symbolism that might
[35:56] Speaker 1: be connected to this?
[35:57] Speaker 3: I think that really the occultism is kind of like
[36:02] Speaker 3: what the water represents and what may be happening. I mean,
[36:05] Speaker 3: I don't know. It's hard to ascertain how an occultist
[36:11] Speaker 3: really thinks. about stuff. But I mean, I think that
[36:14] Speaker 3: if like people have associated the water with the underworld
[36:19] Speaker 3: and Poseidon and these, you know, gods underneath that were
[36:22] Speaker 3: thrust out of heaven to live like in from old
[36:25] Speaker 3: Greek culture. So maybe it's some kind of like appeasement
[36:28] Speaker 3: thing of like, you're, you're sacrificing these gods to, um,
[36:35] Speaker 3: you know, these people to these gods, like as an offering.
[36:38] Speaker 3: And it's, you know, it could be that deep. I
[36:41] Speaker 3: don't know. I'm not, But people have surmised that that's
[36:45] Speaker 3: something like that. What was the other? Not Neptune. It
[36:47] Speaker 3: was Poseidon-Neptune, yeah, with the trident. So those type of things.
[36:53] Speaker 3: But I just sent you, if you pull up your email,
[36:56] Speaker 3: open up that picture and see if you can share that.
[36:59] Speaker 3: Because I think that's pretty much of a shocker.
[37:03] Speaker 2: Let's see here. You just sent it?
[37:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, I just sent it. I didn't get it.
[37:16] Speaker 1: Okay.
[37:19] Speaker 2: But as soon as I get it, I'll pop it
[37:20] Speaker 2: up on the screen here.
[37:23] Speaker 3: To forbidden knowledge news. Yeah, it's an interesting little assignment.
[37:28] Speaker 3: So a lot of these people know this kind of
[37:29] Speaker 3: darker stuff. They know what the smiley face represents, and
[37:32] Speaker 3: it's associated with a lot of kind of cult activity.
[37:35] Speaker 3: It's not just associated with these types of deaths. Very interesting. Yeah. Yeah,
[37:41] Speaker 3: and it's kind of like a countercultural underworld type thing.
[37:46] Speaker 3: It was associated with rave parties and dance parties and
[37:50] Speaker 3: techno back in the UK, back in the day. And
[37:53] Speaker 3: it's totally suffused in Alan Watts.
[37:57] Speaker 1: What is it?
[37:58] Speaker 3: What's that cartoon that he had with the comedian? It
[38:01] Speaker 3: was The Watchman. You ever see The Watchman? Yeah, I have, yeah. Yeah,
[38:04] Speaker 3: so the smiley face is really associated with everything. And
[38:07] Speaker 3: the character in there, the comedian... It kind of encapsulates
[38:10] Speaker 3: this kind of cult meaning of the smiley face where
[38:13] Speaker 3: he can go to Vietnam and kill people and laugh
[38:15] Speaker 3: about it and joke about it like it didn't affect
[38:17] Speaker 3: him at all.
[38:18] Speaker 1: And you said that there's evidence that there may be
[38:21] Speaker 1: some sort of organized communication that could be happening online
[38:26] Speaker 1: via dark web or back channels.
[38:30] Speaker 3: I think people of all– I think if you have
[38:32] Speaker 3: very– dark inclinations, you can probably find a group for whatever. Well,
[38:37] Speaker 3: I did in my first documentary, I did a thing
[38:41] Speaker 3: about this. It was called kink was a documentary about
[38:46] Speaker 3: a kind of subterranean BDSM group in San Francisco that
[38:52] Speaker 3: would do these rooms like super graphic, super adult things
[38:58] Speaker 3: where people from all over the world would pay to
[39:00] Speaker 3: watch the live video. And it was legal, but imagine that,
[39:04] Speaker 3: where it's illegal. Have you ever heard the term of
[39:06] Speaker 3: a red room?
[39:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[39:07] Speaker 3: Yeah. And so maybe that this might be something like that.
[39:11] Speaker 3: Like there's always, there's been notions of stuff, snuff films
[39:14] Speaker 3: back in the day of being very worth, uh, very
[39:18] Speaker 3: paid for or prized. And the whole Dutro case too,
[39:21] Speaker 3: is really strange. Like Dutro said that some of the
[39:25] Speaker 3: people that were abducted were preselected. Somebody had, find me
[39:30] Speaker 3: this person, and they went out and found that really dark,
[39:33] Speaker 3: really dark evil stuff.
[39:35] Speaker 1: It reminds me of some of the research I've been
[39:37] Speaker 1: doing about the vampire culture in New Orleans and some
[39:42] Speaker 1: of these underground clubs. that are portrayed as just this
[39:47] Speaker 1: fun type of role-playing cosplay thing, but in reality there's
[39:52] Speaker 1: some very dark cult-like aspects to some of these vampire
[39:56] Speaker 1: groups that have these underground clubs where people have actually
[40:01] Speaker 1: gone missing. It's been tied to many missing person cases
[40:05] Speaker 1: and actual murders and occult ritualistic activity that's been reported,
[40:11] Speaker 1: so that's very interesting as well.
[40:13] Speaker 3: Wow. There was like a guy, a role player. You
[40:16] Speaker 3: ever hear of the vampire killers, the vampire clan? No.
[40:19] Speaker 3: They were into blood drinking. Yeah. His name was, I
[40:22] Speaker 3: can't remember his name, but they were all in a
[40:24] Speaker 3: group and they would drink each other's blood and stuff
[40:26] Speaker 3: like that.
[40:27] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[40:27] Speaker 1: It's similar to what some of these, the things that
[40:29] Speaker 1: are going on in these underground clubs.
[40:32] Speaker 2: And there's.
[40:33] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[40:33] Speaker 3: And he took, he took it like the name of,
[40:37] Speaker 3: he took the name of like a, like a, he was,
[40:42] Speaker 3: he thought he was an old vampire. Yeah. But he
[40:44] Speaker 3: was like drinking blood. His name was Roderick Farrell from
[40:49] Speaker 3: the Vampire Clan. And they ended up killing somebody. But
[40:51] Speaker 3: they were in Kentucky. But they traveled around. And I
[40:54] Speaker 3: think they ended up in, of all places, where they
[40:56] Speaker 3: were abducted was New Orleans. By the way, the place
[40:59] Speaker 3: where the police caught them was New Orleans. I'm not
[41:02] Speaker 3: making it up.
[41:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[41:05] Speaker 1: There's a huge underground, very strange type of occult vampire
[41:10] Speaker 1: culture there that could be involved with a lot more
[41:13] Speaker 1: nefarious acts than being portrayed from like your TV shows
[41:18] Speaker 1: and things like that.
[41:20] Speaker 2: So it's very interesting.
[41:21] Speaker 1: Now, I want to touch on the aspect, the very
[41:24] Speaker 1: controversial aspect of the possibility that what we've seen with
[41:28] Speaker 1: a lot of these school shootings could have been a manipulation,
[41:34] Speaker 1: mind control type of scenario where the individuals involved may
[41:39] Speaker 1: have been pushed in certain directions by communication online with
[41:44] Speaker 1: certain groups, certain individuals. This is something that is continuously
[41:50] Speaker 1: happening and there is an obvious agenda behind this. But
[41:55] Speaker 1: I want to get your insights into some of those possibilities.
[41:59] Speaker 3: I think it's possible. I think the guy who was
[42:01] Speaker 3: in Buffalo, it wasn't a school shooting, but he went
[42:04] Speaker 3: to Buffalo and shot. He had like an FBI online
[42:06] Speaker 3: handler of some sort. So he may have been mind zapped.
[42:10] Speaker 3: And some of these guys have, like, dissociative states. That's
[42:13] Speaker 3: really the intro to Program to Kill is how they
[42:18] Speaker 3: create dissociation through trauma or anything. So I don't think
[42:23] Speaker 3: it's outside of the realm of possibility. If you look, even, like,
[42:26] Speaker 3: the original school shooters, Dylan Leibold and Harris, like, they
[42:32] Speaker 3: had some weird background. Like, they were both raped by
[42:34] Speaker 3: somebody in a position of authority, like a cop or
[42:38] Speaker 3: something like that. They were talking about that. And their
[42:41] Speaker 3: parents were involved in the military-industrial complex. At least the
[42:45] Speaker 3: father of Harris, I know that for sure. And they
[42:48] Speaker 3: were both on SSRIs, too. There's a correlation between the
[42:52] Speaker 3: SSRIs and these school shooters where they go into some
[42:55] Speaker 3: kind of fugue state. And the fact that the big
[42:59] Speaker 3: pharma devils can actually convince people that these are antidepressants
[43:04] Speaker 3: is amusing in a way because they're really not They
[43:08] Speaker 3: put people in a fugue state. You don't have eyes
[43:11] Speaker 3: or nose. You get zombified by SSRIs.
[43:16] Speaker 1: I've talked with plenty of people who are looking at
[43:18] Speaker 1: the possibility that what was done in the MKUltra experiments
[43:24] Speaker 1: is being rolled out now with a combination of the
[43:27] Speaker 1: psychological operations, pharmaceuticals. even the implementation and normalization of psychedelics
[43:35] Speaker 1: in certain ways, are all part of implementing what was
[43:39] Speaker 1: once an experiment and now rolling out an actual operation
[43:45] Speaker 1: from this.
[43:46] Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. A lot of people think
[43:49] Speaker 3: that MKUltra was just kind of some mind, you know,
[43:52] Speaker 3: you just want to control one person's mind. That was
[43:54] Speaker 3: part of it. There were tons of subgroups. It was
[43:56] Speaker 3: 149 subgroups and things that aren't revealed. They destroyed a
[44:00] Speaker 3: lot of the records. Or kept them, like they told
[44:03] Speaker 3: people during the church committee in the 70s. We got
[44:06] Speaker 3: rid of it. But the whole idea of MKUltra was
[44:09] Speaker 3: total social control. That's what they wanted. That was a
[44:12] Speaker 3: way to rule the people. And so I think that
[44:15] Speaker 3: these ideas were all implemented all the way up until
[44:20] Speaker 3: the present, certainly under COVID. So I think that they
[44:23] Speaker 3: knew how to socially engineer people through behavioral psychology. And
[44:28] Speaker 3: atomize people like, don't go outside. Don't see your mom.
[44:31] Speaker 3: Don't do this. Like that was the hidden agenda underneath the, the,
[44:36] Speaker 3: the medical industrial complex was to actually psychologically drive you
[44:43] Speaker 3: psychologically drive or keep you outside. And these are all
[44:47] Speaker 3: basic fundamentals of mind control going back to the very
[44:50] Speaker 3: beginning in the fifties where they were studying the Manchurian candidate, right? Because,
[44:55] Speaker 3: The Americans thought that the communists in North Korea were
[44:58] Speaker 3: doing this. That's how the Manchurian candidate idea got conceptualized.
[45:03] Speaker 3: But they knew from the very beginning there are very
[45:05] Speaker 3: simple things you do to control people, which is take
[45:09] Speaker 3: them away from social situations. You know, you deaden their
[45:14] Speaker 3: ability to see things so you're inside all day. And
[45:17] Speaker 3: then you become more pliable. You become a better test
[45:21] Speaker 3: subject because you're not talking to somebody else to like, uh,
[45:26] Speaker 3: you know, confirm like going on, like, Hey, this guy's
[45:28] Speaker 3: a jerk or whatever. And I don't like you're much
[45:30] Speaker 3: more pliable. So I think those, those things that they
[45:32] Speaker 3: knew back in the fifties were implemented during COVID. No question.
[45:36] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[45:36] Speaker 1: And we were entering a new phase based on what,
[45:41] Speaker 1: what I'm perceiving here. The first, of course, the lockdowns
[45:45] Speaker 1: in COVID and all the psyops behind our medical mafia
[45:51] Speaker 1: and pharmaceuticals and things of that nature. Now they seem
[45:54] Speaker 1: to be targeting children in a very nefarious way, and
[46:00] Speaker 1: they are focusing on attempting to not only alter physically
[46:07] Speaker 1: the genetics of what we are, but it seems like
[46:10] Speaker 1: they're slowly chipping away at this and starting with the
[46:14] Speaker 1: younger generation so that the future generations will already be
[46:17] Speaker 1: indoctrinated into these horrible... disgusting ideologies that they're trying to implement.
[46:26] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[46:27] Speaker 3: They're doing it successfully. I think they're totally evil. Like
[46:30] Speaker 3: the people who are running the world and puppeteering all
[46:32] Speaker 3: of these countries through algorithms and fake voting machines. They're
[46:36] Speaker 3: really not voting machines. They're just tricking you to think
[46:39] Speaker 3: you're voting their installation machines to install whoever the hell
[46:43] Speaker 3: they want to. But they're the most sinister stuff that
[46:47] Speaker 3: the world has probably ever seen in, in such a
[46:49] Speaker 3: coordinated event. So I think that they're worse than the Nazis,
[46:53] Speaker 3: the people who have the power of the WEF and
[46:54] Speaker 3: stuff like that. I'm not kidding.
[46:56] Speaker 2: Oh, I agree with you 100%.
[46:58] Speaker 1: And there's something– while we're on some of the technology
[47:01] Speaker 1: being rolled out, there's some belief that what we're seeing
[47:05] Speaker 1: with chat GPT is just the beginning of a rollout
[47:09] Speaker 1: of a new type of global or centralized search engine
[47:14] Speaker 1: that will be similar to Google but it will only
[47:17] Speaker 1: provide approved propaganda– for your computer screen or phone for
[47:23] Speaker 1: you to absorb because doing your own research is going
[47:27] Speaker 1: to become something that is frowned upon or possibly even
[47:31] Speaker 1: illegal at times. And it also ties into deeming folks
[47:36] Speaker 1: who don't follow the narrative blindly as domestic terrorists. So
[47:39] Speaker 1: we're entering some dangerous territories here.
[47:42] Speaker 3: Absolutely no question about it. Very dangerous. And that new bill,
[47:46] Speaker 3: I forgot, was it the enact bill? Like you can't
[47:49] Speaker 3: have a VPN. You have to sign up to use
[47:51] Speaker 3: the internet. It's just more turning the screws on control
[47:55] Speaker 3: against freedom and liberty. They don't want you to have
[47:57] Speaker 3: cognitive liberty. That's how bad it is. It's beyond dystopia.
[48:03] Speaker 3: You're just a zombie. Going after the kids is just incredible.
[48:06] Speaker 3: Confusing them. Using mind control techniques. The gender affirming care
[48:10] Speaker 3: is the annihilation of gender, actually. Imagine being such a
[48:16] Speaker 3: monster that you take away person's ability to procreate yes
[48:22] Speaker 3: you are a demon these people should already have been
[48:24] Speaker 3: in jail.
[48:25] Speaker 1: Well that seems like it's the it's the end game
[48:28] Speaker 1: is a depopulation eugenics agenda to eventually get humanity to
[48:33] Speaker 1: where there's no desire to procreate to where we are
[48:38] Speaker 1: so genetically altered that we probably wouldn't be able to
[48:42] Speaker 1: have kids anymore and this is all being done systematically
[48:45] Speaker 1: targeting children now but it's been also an ongoing process
[48:49] Speaker 1: Agenda for a while to alter us through our food, water,
[48:52] Speaker 1: different types of technology and frequencies, and it just seems
[48:56] Speaker 1: to be all coming together right now in a very
[48:59] Speaker 1: obvious way. But I'd have Coke because people are realizing this.
[49:04] Speaker 1: So that's what gives me hope is because I think
[49:07] Speaker 1: there must be moving way too fast for some reason
[49:10] Speaker 1: that it is jolting people awake.
[49:13] Speaker 2: Whether it's intentional or not, I don't know.
[49:17] Speaker 3: I think that they were confident in their kind of
[49:19] Speaker 3: mind control. media control things, but people, once they realize
[49:22] Speaker 3: they're being lied to, they can't go back. Like, I
[49:24] Speaker 3: can't watch TV anymore. So I think that a lot
[49:27] Speaker 3: of people are just fleeing from the Borg element of
[49:30] Speaker 3: the hypnoprogramming that they put under. So I think you're right.
[49:35] Speaker 3: I think people really are realizing it, but they're poisoning everything.
[49:38] Speaker 3: There's graphene oxide in other pills. It's not even just
[49:42] Speaker 3: the shots, but you get graphene oxide in other toxins
[49:45] Speaker 3: you have no idea. And Bill Gates, he's involved. He's
[49:49] Speaker 3: the kingpin behind so much poisoning that's going on out there.
[49:52] Speaker 3: It's really kind of beyond. There's a distinction between depopulation
[49:56] Speaker 3: and eugenics, but I think it's really much more depopulation.
[50:00] Speaker 3: They're going after everybody.
[50:03] Speaker 1: Do you think that this is a unified effort that
[50:06] Speaker 1: all these groups... are in sort of a power pyramid structure,
[50:11] Speaker 1: top-down situation, or are there different factions fighting it out
[50:17] Speaker 1: for different areas of control over humanity?
[50:20] Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
[50:21] Speaker 3: I think it's top-down. It's all the Bilderberg types. That's
[50:24] Speaker 3: literally behind the WEF. Schwab is just a front man.
[50:29] Speaker 3: Between these old-line families, King of England, elite families here,
[50:33] Speaker 3: Rockefeller Trusts.
[50:36] Speaker 2: And it seems like both sides are controlled completely.
[50:41] Speaker 1: They want people either on the extreme right or the
[50:43] Speaker 1: extreme left. They don't want people coming together and exploring
[50:48] Speaker 1: the middle ground because the extremes is what keeps us
[50:51] Speaker 1: hating each other and fighting and not realizing who the
[50:53] Speaker 1: real enemy is.
[50:55] Speaker 3: No question. No question. It's all by design. All this
[50:58] Speaker 3: whole duality thinking. If they can get you to think
[51:00] Speaker 3: in simple binaries, they control you. Right, left, liberal, conservative... white, black, whatever,
[51:08] Speaker 3: all those things. So you got to really watch out
[51:10] Speaker 3: for that kind of thing, Brad. I've kind of taken
[51:12] Speaker 3: myself even out of the spectrum of right, left, because
[51:16] Speaker 3: I have very, what would be called left. I mean,
[51:17] Speaker 3: I guess the Bill of Rights is the Bill of Rights,
[51:20] Speaker 3: right or left or conservative or liberal, because for me,
[51:22] Speaker 3: it's for everybody. It's like pro-human being, you know?
[51:25] Speaker 1: Well, what used to be left is more conservative now.
[51:29] Speaker 1: And What we see the left as is super extreme
[51:32] Speaker 1: clown world now. So we have to kind of shift
[51:35] Speaker 1: our ideologies to not be brought down to that.
[51:39] Speaker 4: Right.
[51:40] Speaker 3: Totally. Yeah. So you have to change your way of thinking.
[51:43] Speaker 3: And I think it's really just a uniparty. I think
[51:45] Speaker 3: the uniparty concept in DC where they're all parasites and
[51:48] Speaker 3: living off the people is probably more accurate. Like they've
[51:52] Speaker 3: got people like my California, they have this doddering old, Senator,
[51:57] Speaker 3: you know, Feinstein barely even knows where she is. Like
[52:00] Speaker 3: what's she doing there? She's not helping anything. She's a
[52:02] Speaker 3: fricking parasite of first order. Like retire, just go, go
[52:06] Speaker 3: place a shuffleboard. You're getting in the way of like
[52:10] Speaker 3: our ability to exist by just sitting there like a parasite.
[52:13] Speaker 3: And Joe Biden's a total parasite too. So it's, things
[52:17] Speaker 3: aren't good.
[52:18] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[52:18] Speaker 3: If you really think about it, it's like you realize, Whoa,
[52:21] Speaker 3: you know, I don't let political parties doing my thinking
[52:23] Speaker 3: for me at all ever.
[52:25] Speaker 1: Right. Well, like I said, I have hope that the
[52:27] Speaker 1: mistakes that are being made and the extreme push to
[52:32] Speaker 1: get people to go in a certain direction is waking
[52:35] Speaker 1: up more people. And it's probably causing more problems for
[52:39] Speaker 1: the establishment than anything. But again, I don't know. The
[52:43] Speaker 1: operations run so deep. There's so many layers that this
[52:46] Speaker 1: could be what they want us to think. And I
[52:48] Speaker 1: think that everything that we see on social media and
[52:51] Speaker 1: TV and the news has all been... Pre-approved for proper
[52:57] Speaker 1: propaganda distribution for us to just absorb the nonsense. Anything
[53:03] Speaker 1: that is allowed to pass through the airwaves has been
[53:08] Speaker 1: properly sanitized for us to digest according to what they
[53:13] Speaker 1: want us to believe. And right now we're in interesting times.
[53:18] Speaker 1: It seems like we're in between operations. We have an
[53:23] Speaker 1: upcoming election with some interesting players being involved. And it
[53:27] Speaker 1: seems like there's always after the election season is when
[53:31] Speaker 1: the events start to ramp up and things start to
[53:36] Speaker 1: really get going as far as psychological operations, false flags,
[53:40] Speaker 1: things of that nature. And we seem to be between
[53:43] Speaker 1: those things right now. There's always got to be an
[53:46] Speaker 1: invisible enemy, always a fear campaign of some sort. We
[53:50] Speaker 1: just got out of the COVID. There is a large
[53:53] Speaker 1: division campaign going on with what we were talking about earlier, transhumanism,
[53:59] Speaker 1: the targeting of children. But what is next for the
[54:02] Speaker 1: global scare tactic?
[54:04] Speaker 2: What do you think?
[54:06] Speaker 1: Are we in for climate change or a fake alien invasion?
[54:08] Speaker 4: Both.
[54:09] Speaker 5: Both.
[54:11] Speaker 3: You know, they're going to try to unleash that if
[54:13] Speaker 3: people climate change. One of the things that you got
[54:16] Speaker 3: to really be careful is just don't accept their terminology
[54:19] Speaker 3: like vaccine, climate change, trans, because the climate's always been
[54:23] Speaker 3: changing in the world. I mean, we don't we don't
[54:25] Speaker 3: fly around the sun straight away. It's an ellipse. That's
[54:30] Speaker 3: why we have seasons. So it's it's silly to even
[54:34] Speaker 3: use that term. They're really against manmade global warming while
[54:37] Speaker 3: they fly around in their jets. You know, so they're
[54:39] Speaker 3: total hypocrites and liars. it's all about social control. And
[54:42] Speaker 3: it really has been from the beginning of time, even
[54:45] Speaker 3: in all of these other aristocracies, they were always concerned
[54:48] Speaker 3: about maintaining power, maintaining power in their family and keeping
[54:54] Speaker 3: the herd terrified of whatever it is, hobgoblins, vampires, the enemy.
[54:58] Speaker 3: It's always somebody else. It goes, it's more well encapsulated
[55:01] Speaker 3: at all in, uh, 1984. So it's just, they're just
[55:05] Speaker 3: going to try to scare the living daylights out of
[55:07] Speaker 3: people and make them passive. And, uh, malleable and i
[55:11] Speaker 3: think so uh this whole thing on climate whatever man-made
[55:15] Speaker 3: global warming or something like that it's so stupid it's
[55:17] Speaker 3: so easily discounted i mean when krakatoa blew up it
[55:21] Speaker 3: released so much stuff into the atmosphere dwarfed anything human
[55:25] Speaker 3: beings have done by 10 000 times so like we
[55:29] Speaker 3: have to go on a big campaign to stop volcanoes
[55:33] Speaker 3: and stuff like that like it's a joke and it
[55:35] Speaker 3: all goes into cyclical right the carbon cycle and all
[55:37] Speaker 3: that stuff it's a total stupid joke Only suckers fall
[55:40] Speaker 3: for that whole climate stuff. That's why they're all kids,
[55:43] Speaker 3: like under 20, you know, 20 years, just fall for
[55:46] Speaker 3: that blatant propaganda, mind rape.
[55:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
[55:49] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[55:49] Speaker 3: And so they have that. The other thing is you
[55:51] Speaker 3: mentioned the UFO thing. They just had a thing today,
[55:54] Speaker 3: the guy on in Congress.
[55:56] Speaker 4: Right.
[55:56] Speaker 3: So this is what, July 26th. Hmm. They're pushing that too.
[56:00] Speaker 3: We have all this stuff. We've got the bodies. We
[56:02] Speaker 3: can't show it to you, but we've got it. This
[56:05] Speaker 3: is like, what are we paying taxes for? I'm paying
[56:07] Speaker 3: taxes so you can have proof of interstellar beings or
[56:13] Speaker 3: intergalactic or universal, some other foreign human being that you're
[56:18] Speaker 3: not going to show to the public. What a joke.
[56:20] Speaker 3: Total joke.
[56:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems that this might be the final card,
[56:26] Speaker 1: the last option they have, because I don't see... the
[56:29] Speaker 1: majority of people blindly following another lockdown, another pandemic type situation.
[56:36] Speaker 1: This would have to be something that is a very
[56:40] Speaker 1: extreme operation that can fool people that we are actually
[56:46] Speaker 1: being invaded by non-human intelligences and that we have to
[56:49] Speaker 1: come together. We're in very, very interesting times right now.
[56:53] Speaker 1: And I think that The next few years are going
[56:57] Speaker 1: to be an indication on whether or not we're going
[57:02] Speaker 1: to be in a complete technocratic slave system. Do you
[57:07] Speaker 1: think it's a chance that we might be able to
[57:08] Speaker 1: break out of this?
[57:12] Speaker 3: It's going to have to. People can just say no
[57:14] Speaker 3: and resist. That's really it. I don't want to have
[57:16] Speaker 3: a CBDC or something. I don't want to have a
[57:19] Speaker 3: digital thing. I don't want anything on my body. So
[57:21] Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are moving. People are
[57:24] Speaker 3: moving out of the cities. I've heard of that. So
[57:27] Speaker 3: some form of resistance away from the fiat currency and
[57:31] Speaker 3: all this stuff. Passive resistance. So I don't know. I
[57:35] Speaker 3: think that we're kind of entering into Book of Revelation
[57:40] Speaker 3: times that bad.
[57:42] Speaker 1: Well, we also have this savior figure that we're presented
[57:46] Speaker 1: with that is going to.
[57:49] Speaker 2: To supposedly.
[57:50] Speaker 1: Lead us in the right direction, we had the Trump
[57:52] Speaker 1: character for the last election. Now we have RFK, which
[57:58] Speaker 1: I think that anybody that is allowed to be in
[58:02] Speaker 1: that position of the presidency has already been compromised and
[58:07] Speaker 1: we're not going to see any type of real concern
[58:11] Speaker 1: or desire to help humanity.
[58:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, no. Trump is just, I mean, what did Albert
[58:17] Speaker 3: Pike say? We'll give them the leaders that they want.
[58:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[58:20] Speaker 3: So he's probably Masonic. He's got all kinds of dark connections. Mob,
[58:24] Speaker 3: Roy Cohn, all these guys. So I think that the
[58:29] Speaker 3: whole Trump, you know, God as Titan is all carefully crafted,
[58:35] Speaker 3: just like.
[58:35] Speaker 1: You just look barely beneath the surface on Kennedy as well.
[58:39] Speaker 1: And he's got nefarious connections that. he has long time
[58:44] Speaker 1: been associated with. So I don't think any of these
[58:47] Speaker 1: guys are going to really have humanity's best interest in mind.
[58:55] Speaker 3: Yeah. It's really a bad, we're in a bad place.
[58:59] Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, yeah. Yeah.
[59:01] Speaker 1: I think we just need to stop putting our faith
[59:04] Speaker 1: in politics. And like you said, we need to start
[59:07] Speaker 1: taking care of our own and then not trying to,
[59:10] Speaker 1: in and just realize that this system is built to
[59:13] Speaker 1: deceive us and keep us down.
[59:15] Speaker 3: Yeah. It's sovereignty, right? So like they, the necessity, I'm like,
[59:19] Speaker 3: I think Washington said in his first inaugural, the government,
[59:23] Speaker 3: the governs best governs least. So, Like all this federal stuff,
[59:26] Speaker 3: we don't need a lot of this stuff. They have
[59:28] Speaker 3: to prove something to prove that they're getting, you know,
[59:31] Speaker 3: why they deserve $ 10 billion budgets. But a lot of
[59:33] Speaker 3: that stuff should be devolved back down to the states
[59:35] Speaker 3: and really all power down to the individual sovereignty of
[59:38] Speaker 3: the individual. And that's really what the Bill of Rights
[59:41] Speaker 3: is about. That's why people, that's why these tyrants never
[59:44] Speaker 3: want to mention the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
[59:46] Speaker 3: They just say, oh, it's a democracy. It's really not
[59:49] Speaker 3: a democracy. We're a representative republic. You're lying or you're
[59:54] Speaker 3: duping yourself.
[59:56] Speaker 1: Well, we're definitely in extremely fascinating and interesting times. I
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: do have hope just because of the amount of people
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: that are becoming aware of things.
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: So we'll see.
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: And William, thank you so much for coming back on today.
[1:00:10] Speaker 5: Thank you.
[1:00:12] Speaker 3: Before I go, can you give me screen sharing? I
[1:00:15] Speaker 3: want to show you something. I want to show you where.
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: Go for it.
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: Okay, cool.
[1:00:21] Speaker 3: There it is.
[1:00:22] Speaker 5: Look at this.
[1:00:23] Speaker 3: This is something shared between Barack Obama to Joe Biden,
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: our current president. Do you see this necklace? This is
[1:00:29] Speaker 3: from June 9th, 2019.
[1:00:31] Speaker 5: See that? Yeah.
[1:00:33] Speaker 3: See the smiley face.
[1:00:34] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: See the pizza. See the pizza. See the blue star.
[1:00:38] Speaker 3: And that, that flower is a pedo symbol too.
[1:00:41] Speaker 2: It is interesting.
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: Yeah. Smiley face, pizza, pedo symbol. That's, that's those two presidents.
[1:00:47] Speaker 3: That's what they know. That's why Joe was always trying
[1:00:50] Speaker 3: to kiss little kids and stuff's gross. See, these are
[1:00:52] Speaker 3: the symbolism that they share amongst each other. that go
[1:00:55] Speaker 3: beyond normal words, right?
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: And I can't remember who said it, but symbolism will
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: be their downfall, because if they keep flaunting this stuff,
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: the more and more people wake up.
[1:01:08] Speaker 3: That's from 2019. That's a necklace that they share between
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: each other, yeah.
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: That is so interesting.
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: Crazy, yeah.
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: Crazy stuff. William, thank you so much.
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: Before you go, let the audience know where they can
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: find your books, your podcast, all your content.
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: My books can be found on Amazon, or you can
[1:01:23] Speaker 3: buy signed copies at my website, williamramseyinvestigates.com. And then my
[1:01:28] Speaker 3: podcast is in the top 0.5% of podcasts in the
[1:01:32] Speaker 3: world based upon listen notes. I'm almost at 1,000 episodes,
[1:01:36] Speaker 3: and you can just find that on iTunes, William Ramsey Investigates. Excellent.
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: William, thank you so much.
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: We'll definitely be doing this again, and I will be
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: talking to you again next month on your show. And
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We will
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: talk again tomorrow. See y'all then. Today, my guest is
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: Brian McCoach. He is the host of the podcast Wild, Weird,
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: and Sometimes Normal. It's a weekly show that has guests
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: that discuss everything from health and wellness, music, books, and
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: the paranormal.
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: Brian, welcome. How are you doing?
[1:02:10] Speaker 5: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on.
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for coming on.
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: There are so many new wonderful podcasts like yours that
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: are really helping folks raise their awareness and understand what
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: is being presented as reality. We're in amazing, extremely strange,
[1:02:27] Speaker 1: at times dangerous times. I always mention a low-budget film
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: that I had to watch at the Christian junior high
[1:02:35] Speaker 1: school that I attended in my small town. I don't
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: know if you've ever heard me mention this, but it
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: was a very small Christian school. I eventually went to
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: a public high school because I couldn't take it there
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: anymore but they had a point where they were showing
[1:02:50] Speaker 1: us these videos and they were very low budget films
[1:02:54] Speaker 1: I don't know who produced them very unknown actors in
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: them and they were supposed to portray what the apocalypse
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: would be like in the future according to Christian prophecy
[1:03:06] Speaker 1: and what they showed us was back then I thought
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: it was hilarious I was laughing my ass off my
[1:03:10] Speaker 1: friends all thought it was funny but what they were
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: showing us was pandemics They were showing us wars, and
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: they were showing us a fake UFO invasion perpetrated by
[1:03:22] Speaker 1: an evil one-world government. And this was back in like 95, 94, 95.
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: And again, I look back and it's like, oh man,
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: they had something to that. So what we're experiencing now
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: is prophetic in many ways, and there's many levels to
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: everything going on and all the high strangeness that's occurring.
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: including UFO Disclosure, which we're going to talk a little
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: bit about and see what other rabbit holes we can
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: jump into. Before we get into anything, this.
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: Is your first time on.
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit more about yourself and your podcast.
[1:04:03] Speaker 5: Perfect. Were these the Kirk Cameron movies? That seems a
[1:04:05] Speaker 5: little early for 95.
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: No, this wasn't even a, this was a, not even
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: a film that was probably released on video. It was
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: probably specially made for certain Christian schools by like just
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: private production companies, you know, no known actors at all.
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: Just very cheesy stuff. Supposed to probably scare kids into
[1:04:26] Speaker 1: loving Jesus and stuff.
[1:04:27] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[1:04:29] Speaker 5: Yeah. They're interesting movies, man. You should see if you
[1:04:32] Speaker 5: can find those on YouTube or something. That'd be fun
[1:04:34] Speaker 5: to watch again.
[1:04:35] Speaker 1: I wonder if I could. I just don't remember the title.
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: It was so long ago, I wouldn't know where to begin.
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: But that's a good idea. I should start looking for those.
[1:04:42] Speaker 5: Yeah, crowdsource it. Anyway, so my name is Brian. I
[1:04:47] Speaker 5: host Wild, Weird, and Sometimes Normal. It's a weekly guest podcast.
[1:04:52] Speaker 5: A lot of different people come on. I've had ghost authors,
[1:04:56] Speaker 5: UFO authors... health and wellness people come on, a guy
[1:05:00] Speaker 5: who says he can predict earthquakes. And based on his Twitter,
[1:05:03] Speaker 5: it's not necessarily untrue. So hence the title, We're All
[1:05:08] Speaker 5: Over the Gamut. Just released an episode today with a
[1:05:12] Speaker 5: punk band from Philadelphia. So I'd like to say, one,
[1:05:16] Speaker 5: they're awesome. And two, great guest, because when you post something,
[1:05:21] Speaker 5: you kind of hope that you're interviewee will help you
[1:05:24] Speaker 5: out and repost or like it or retweet it, whatever
[1:05:27] Speaker 5: it might be. And that doesn't always work out. These
[1:05:30] Speaker 5: guys write on it, made their own posts, threw things out.
[1:05:33] Speaker 5: So shout out to them.
[1:05:35] Speaker 3: Awesome.
[1:05:36] Speaker 5: But anyway, so I have people from all over the
[1:05:38] Speaker 5: gamut try to come on. We try to stay away
[1:05:41] Speaker 5: from politics and that third rail, Alex Jones going to
[1:05:45] Speaker 5: get sued for $ 4 billion types of stuff. As fun
[1:05:48] Speaker 5: as that might be, Don't have that $ 4 billion right now.
[1:05:51] Speaker 3: Hey.
[1:05:52] Speaker 5: But really, anybody that I find interesting, I'll try to
[1:05:56] Speaker 5: get them on and see where a conversation can go.
[1:05:59] Speaker 3: Excellent, man.
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: And how long have you been doing the podcast so far?
[1:06:04] Speaker 5: So it's been about five months.
[1:06:05] Speaker 2: About five months. Brand new. Amazing.
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: I love to see all these new podcasts coming out.
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: It's such a great thing to see people doing their
[1:06:14] Speaker 1: own things and people... becoming interested in different forms of
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: entertainment and looking for these alternative forms of entertainment, like
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: independent podcast. How do you feel about the direction that
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: podcasting is going as a whole? And are you concerned
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: about the censorship aspect at all?
[1:06:38] Speaker 5: So I try to stay away from the tough topics
[1:06:40] Speaker 5: like we talked about, you know, you have to balance the,
[1:06:44] Speaker 5: you know, hey, we're in America and we should both
[1:06:46] Speaker 5: have free speech versus like, I'm trying not to get canceled.
[1:06:49] Speaker 5: I'm trying to run a good podcast. And if we
[1:06:52] Speaker 5: can cover 90% of the topics, I think that's pretty good.
[1:06:55] Speaker 5: The state of podcast thing, I've been listening to podcasts
[1:06:58] Speaker 5: now for, I don't know, 10, 15 years. And every year,
[1:07:01] Speaker 5: I think it's oversaturated. So maybe I jumped in 10
[1:07:04] Speaker 5: to 15 years too late. But also it seems like
[1:07:06] Speaker 5: there's enough of a market for everybody. A lot of
[1:07:08] Speaker 5: people are coming up. You'll hear different sponsorships. You'll hear,
[1:07:10] Speaker 5: you know, different ways of, you know, Patreons or, I
[1:07:13] Speaker 5: just started a merch store the other day for anybody
[1:07:15] Speaker 5: that's interested. There's merchandise out there. So there's ways to
[1:07:19] Speaker 5: monetize as well as, hey, if it's your full business,
[1:07:23] Speaker 5: that's awesome. I need to talk to you and find
[1:07:25] Speaker 5: out how to do that more. But if this is
[1:07:27] Speaker 5: kind of a way to spin off your interest and
[1:07:29] Speaker 5: your creative interest and get those juices flowing, I think
[1:07:32] Speaker 5: there's plenty of room for people to grow and help others. Oh, yeah.
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: This is such a great industry.
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: And I was just planning on having it be just
[1:07:40] Speaker 1: one of those fun things that I did. And- Thankfully,
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: I was able to turn it into a full-time career,
[1:07:47] Speaker 1: which I'm very blessed to be able to do. But
[1:07:50] Speaker 1: I find that perseverance, just keeping at this stuff and
[1:07:54] Speaker 1: enjoying what you're doing is a huge key to this stuff.
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: So keep it up, man.
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: I love it.
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of the strange things that
[1:08:03] Speaker 1: are occurring right now, such as the quote-unquote disclosure movement.
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: My audience knows how I feel about this. It's shifted
[1:08:12] Speaker 1: over the years UFOs aliens used to be my one
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: of my favorite topics to discuss until the government and
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: mainstream media started telling me that it's okay to talk
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: about and now that it's possibly real that just sends
[1:08:29] Speaker 1: up red flags for me they never had a good
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: track record about ever telling the truth so why now
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: right I'd love to get your thoughts first of all
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: on So extraterrestrials and UFOs in general, what do you
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: think is happening with this phenomena?
[1:08:49] Speaker 5: So I've loved UFOs ever since I was a little kid.
[1:08:51] Speaker 5: You know, when I was 10, they were definitely coming
[1:08:54] Speaker 5: from outer space in a faraway galaxy. And who knows
[1:08:57] Speaker 5: how they got here? And I'm in the same boat.
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: As you.
[1:09:01] Speaker 5: When it was counterculture and not mainstream, aliens were definitely
[1:09:05] Speaker 5: real and they were coming from somewhere. But now that
[1:09:08] Speaker 5: the government's on board, it's either how are they going
[1:09:12] Speaker 5: to control the narrative? How are they going to tax us?
[1:09:16] Speaker 5: Or how are they going to use us to their benefit?
[1:09:19] Speaker 5: I'm very suspicious on the information that's coming out now.
[1:09:23] Speaker 5: Do I think there's life on other planets? 100%. Do
[1:09:28] Speaker 5: I think that life is coming to visit us now? Possibly.
[1:09:32] Speaker 5: A lot of the UFO, one, I love the technology.
[1:09:36] Speaker 5: I love that we're on Zoom right now. I can
[1:09:37] Speaker 5: see you. We're talking to you. We're time zones away
[1:09:41] Speaker 5: from each other and here we are. At the same time,
[1:09:43] Speaker 5: if you're following anything on On social media, people post
[1:09:46] Speaker 5: videos all the time. Look at this thing that this
[1:09:49] Speaker 5: guy filmed outside. I don't know if that's real or not, man.
[1:09:53] Speaker 5: The video looks pretty good, but so does Independence Day.
[1:09:56] Speaker 5: And that technology has gotten a lot cheaper that people
[1:09:58] Speaker 5: are just doing it in their basement. That makes it
[1:10:00] Speaker 5: very tough. It's going to make it very tough that
[1:10:03] Speaker 5: if a UFO lands on the White House lawn and
[1:10:06] Speaker 5: Joe Biden goes and talks to them, that if I'm
[1:10:08] Speaker 5: going to believe that's real, it needs to land on
[1:10:10] Speaker 5: my lawn at this point. It's very hard. The narrative
[1:10:13] Speaker 5: is being, it's disinfo with control, but I think with
[1:10:17] Speaker 5: some truth in there.
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: Have you ever had any of your own paranormal or
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: UFO sightings, anything like that? Yeah.
[1:10:26] Speaker 5: So, you know, nothing amazing. I didn't see this saucer
[1:10:29] Speaker 5: shaped disc or anything, but this was probably the summer
[1:10:31] Speaker 5: of 2016 and it was about 6 p.m. I'm on
[1:10:34] Speaker 5: the East coast. So 6 p.m. in the summer, it's
[1:10:37] Speaker 5: bright out, you know, it's daylight. It doesn't get much
[1:10:39] Speaker 5: brighter than that. noon and 6 PM, pretty much same
[1:10:42] Speaker 5: type of daylight. There was this, it wasn't a star,
[1:10:46] Speaker 5: but there was a star like thing that was really
[1:10:48] Speaker 5: bright and it was a little higher than a plane,
[1:10:50] Speaker 5: but you could see it. And it just sat there
[1:10:52] Speaker 5: for an hour and a half, an hour and 45
[1:10:54] Speaker 5: minutes and maybe drifted a few feet and didn't move
[1:10:58] Speaker 5: at all. So my brother lives about 11 miles away
[1:11:02] Speaker 5: and I called him up and I'm trying to, you know,
[1:11:04] Speaker 5: terribly geolocate with him where it is. And he's able
[1:11:07] Speaker 5: to find it too. And we both kind of watched
[1:11:10] Speaker 5: it and saw it. So it wasn't just me being crazy.
[1:11:13] Speaker 5: And there's a local like move on type of thing
[1:11:16] Speaker 5: in New Jersey over here. And they reported it as
[1:11:20] Speaker 5: an unidentified UFO, UAP, whatever it might be. It didn't
[1:11:23] Speaker 5: give me this download or insight or anything, but it
[1:11:26] Speaker 5: was also really interesting. I'd never seen anything like that.
[1:11:29] Speaker 5: And then I've had a little bit of a ghost
[1:11:31] Speaker 5: experience where my aunt's house, when we were growing up,
[1:11:35] Speaker 5: you could hear the ghost walk down the stairs and
[1:11:37] Speaker 5: and everybody would be in the dining room or whatever
[1:11:40] Speaker 5: having breakfast, and you would hear somebody on the stairs
[1:11:42] Speaker 5: get to the bottom, and then that person just never
[1:11:44] Speaker 5: came in. And that was pretty often. Whenever you would
[1:11:47] Speaker 5: sleep over there, you would hear that regularly. But again,
[1:11:50] Speaker 5: no poltergeist, no Ghostbuster. I didn't see Slimer, none of
[1:11:53] Speaker 5: that good stuff.
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: Right on, right on.
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: Now, with the UFO disclosure movement, and you mentioned the
[1:12:01] Speaker 1: counterculture movement earlier, what's been happening lately, interestingly enough, is...
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: Those that we would consider conspiracy theorists used to say
[1:12:12] Speaker 1: that the government is lying to us about the existence
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: of aliens and UFOs. Now it's the belief that they
[1:12:19] Speaker 1: are creating the UFOs and this is all a psychological
[1:12:24] Speaker 1: operation to bring about a fake alien invasion or some
[1:12:28] Speaker 1: other type of global fakery agenda. Now, this is something
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: that I consider as well, but as far as what
[1:12:37] Speaker 1: we would consider extraterrestrials or even non-human entities, there's never
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: been any proof until now, until these hearings and our
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: own media and government saying that these bodies and things
[1:12:53] Speaker 1: and craft exist. Until then, there has been no physical proof.
[1:12:58] Speaker 1: We've had plenty of abduction experiences where People can provide
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: their personal accounts of what happened, but very little physical evidence.
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: And even now, how long is it going to take
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: for even the public to witness any of that physical evidence?
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: That all being said, with the counterculture movement being the
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: way it is, there's a lot of doubt to whether
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: anything that is being said in the mainstream is even
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: correct about UFOs. And some believe that we indeed are
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: creating a lot of this stuff ourselves. And it is
[1:13:32] Speaker 1: a psychological operation. What do you think about the possibility
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: of that?
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:13:38] Speaker 5: So with this hearing, so they released that New York
[1:13:41] Speaker 5: Times article in 2017, and they admit it with a
[1:13:44] Speaker 5: tic-tac video, and they had all this. I was like, wow,
[1:13:47] Speaker 5: disclosure is finally here. And normal people just didn't seem
[1:13:50] Speaker 5: to care. It was like the paper of record, and
[1:13:51] Speaker 5: nobody cared. And now with these hearings, there's still no evidence.
[1:13:56] Speaker 5: It's a friend told me. It's like my friend's boyfriend's
[1:13:59] Speaker 5: girlfriend saw Ferris Bueller pass out. But nobody saw this happen.
[1:14:03] Speaker 5: So Faber saw it off the Nimitz. So, okay, that's
[1:14:07] Speaker 5: an eyewitness. That's one. We can talk about what he saw.
[1:14:09] Speaker 5: But Grush is talking about, well, somebody told me that
[1:14:12] Speaker 5: they saw it. And he's up there testifying to Congress. Now,
[1:14:15] Speaker 5: is he testifying to what he was told? I believe that.
[1:14:18] Speaker 5: He also, you know, I want my cake and eat
[1:14:22] Speaker 5: it too. He's just too polished up there to talk.
[1:14:25] Speaker 5: And it's like, well, you seem like you're going to
[1:14:26] Speaker 5: run for presidential office at some time. And you could
[1:14:29] Speaker 5: be a disinfo agent for how well you speak. And
[1:14:31] Speaker 5: then the third guy, I forget his name, but he
[1:14:33] Speaker 5: didn't see anything himself either. So I find this difficult.
[1:14:38] Speaker 5: If they could do a Project Bluebeam, if they could
[1:14:40] Speaker 5: do any amount of control, I think they're interested in. Now,
[1:14:45] Speaker 5: are these drones? I think some of them are drones, definitely.
[1:14:50] Speaker 5: And I think some of them are definitely, you know, earth,
[1:14:53] Speaker 5: human technology, human technology. But you would also think that
[1:14:57] Speaker 5: if it was government technology, that you would test drive
[1:15:02] Speaker 5: some of this stuff in war zones. During the Iraqi war,
[1:15:05] Speaker 5: you think you would see some of this stuff, or
[1:15:06] Speaker 5: what's happening in Syria or Ukraine. If you have something,
[1:15:10] Speaker 5: why don't you take it out there, take a couple
[1:15:13] Speaker 5: of laps on it and see what it can do
[1:15:14] Speaker 5: in the real world.
[1:15:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:15:16] Speaker 1: Well, the other possibilities, even some that I've discussed recently
[1:15:21] Speaker 1: with guests yesterday, is what we're experiencing is more of
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: a metaphysical or even which you would consider paranormal type experience,
[1:15:31] Speaker 1: something that we're interacting with that is of a non-human intelligence,
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: but not necessarily coming from different planets, possibly different dimensions,
[1:15:41] Speaker 1: different spectrums or densities, depending on what our awareness is,
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: that we may be able to interact with some of
[1:15:50] Speaker 1: these non-human intelligences, and some of them may be some
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: sort of Trickster or deceptive type of intelligences that are
[1:16:01] Speaker 1: attempting to lead humanity in a certain direction. There are
[1:16:04] Speaker 1: some that believe that at the highest levels of our
[1:16:07] Speaker 1: military industrial complex and some of these black projects that
[1:16:12] Speaker 1: the information that has been provided is from a spiritual perspective.
[1:16:19] Speaker 1: entity that it's that the information comes from channeled information
[1:16:25] Speaker 1: from non-human entities but not necessarily what we would consider
[1:16:30] Speaker 1: traditional extraterrestrials.
[1:16:33] Speaker 5: I think all that stuff is fascinating i think you
[1:16:36] Speaker 5: know there's there's more unknown than the mind can know
[1:16:40] Speaker 5: something was saying i just butchered but we focus so
[1:16:45] Speaker 5: much on like the physical There's things in dimensions that
[1:16:50] Speaker 5: are going to zoom in and out. I think they do, like,
[1:16:52] Speaker 5: there's a lot of, you know, the Simpsons, they talk
[1:16:55] Speaker 5: about predictive programming, but more of just like Hollywood puts
[1:16:57] Speaker 5: it into our consciousness, like the Spider-Verse. Ever since they
[1:17:00] Speaker 5: started doing multiple dimensions like that, and now all the
[1:17:04] Speaker 5: movies are doing and all the Marvel ones are doing that.
[1:17:07] Speaker 5: I think that's a good way to get, you know,
[1:17:10] Speaker 5: I don't want to say dumb people, but people that
[1:17:12] Speaker 5: either aren't following this or just can't imagine things like that.
[1:17:15] Speaker 5: It puts that in their mind that these things are possible.
[1:17:18] Speaker 5: Then when they start talking about the UFOs being interdimensional,
[1:17:21] Speaker 5: it's like, oh, yeah, I saw that on the Spider-Verse.
[1:17:22] Speaker 5: That makes a lot of sense to me. Are they channeling? Hey,
[1:17:27] Speaker 5: if something reached out to us and we couldn't see
[1:17:29] Speaker 5: them and they were like, oh, great, great ones, please
[1:17:33] Speaker 5: tell us something. And somebody in our government got a
[1:17:35] Speaker 5: hold of it. There's no way they wouldn't exploit that
[1:17:37] Speaker 5: by being like, oh, we're all powerful. And we're your
[1:17:41] Speaker 5: whoever you're worshiping and do this for us and send us.
[1:17:44] Speaker 5: whatever type of energy or control or money that they
[1:17:47] Speaker 5: could extract from it. You know, I think a lot
[1:17:50] Speaker 5: of this, some of this, I think it's definitely resources,
[1:17:53] Speaker 5: either human entities or non-human of trying to do that,
[1:17:58] Speaker 5: that we're just a zoo and these things are popping
[1:18:00] Speaker 5: up and occasionally picking one of us up. That doesn't
[1:18:03] Speaker 5: make a lot of sense to me.
[1:18:04] Speaker 1: You mentioned the lulled reaction from the masses about UFOs,
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: even back in 2017 with the New York times article.
[1:18:13] Speaker 1: And then now, with the congressional hearings where folks are
[1:18:17] Speaker 1: actually saying, yes, non-human biologics exist, that they had alien
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: bodies and crash retrievals and all this fantastic information, and
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: people are just sitting back like, meh, it doesn't seem
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: to be causing any type of reaction, and I don't
[1:18:36] Speaker 1: know if they were desiring some more different type of
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: reaction from people to probably... perpetuate what is going to
[1:18:46] Speaker 1: be the next agenda the next coming thing the possible
[1:18:49] Speaker 1: fake alien invasion i don't know but i find it
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: interesting the way people are reacting and i wonder if
[1:18:55] Speaker 1: it's because of everything that happened 2020 and beyond that
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: people's trust of the government and media has just gone
[1:19:06] Speaker 1: so far off that most people aren't believing what they're
[1:19:11] Speaker 1: hearing and seeing coming from these entities anymore and that
[1:19:14] Speaker 1: goes back to are there more people that are aware
[1:19:18] Speaker 1: of this than we are led to believe are there
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: more people waking up than we can imagine that are
[1:19:25] Speaker 1: aware of some of the deception.
[1:19:26] Speaker 5: So i think that's interesting you know we're talking about
[1:19:30] Speaker 5: the percentage of people that believe in ufos and i
[1:19:33] Speaker 5: think the 2016 election really proved to people one you
[1:19:39] Speaker 5: know The media has its spin. That's fine. But there
[1:19:42] Speaker 5: was pollsters coming out and asking, who are you voting for?
[1:19:45] Speaker 5: And there were people who were actively saying they were
[1:19:48] Speaker 5: not voting for one guy. They just wouldn't answer. So
[1:19:51] Speaker 5: then all the media is talking about the other side
[1:19:53] Speaker 5: of this party is going to win in a landslide.
[1:19:55] Speaker 5: But just because they were lying to the poll or
[1:19:58] Speaker 5: not participating, I choose not to participate. I feel that's
[1:20:02] Speaker 5: a little bit with UFOs. Everyone recognizes their data is
[1:20:04] Speaker 5: being collected. If you're answering yes to a poll, if
[1:20:07] Speaker 5: you're putting anything, all that stuff's being filed away. somewhere.
[1:20:11] Speaker 5: Is it being actively used now? No, but it's in
[1:20:12] Speaker 5: a file somewhere. And it's going to be easier the
[1:20:15] Speaker 5: better the computer technology gets, computing power, everything like this.
[1:20:19] Speaker 5: If we go to a China social credit score, all
[1:20:22] Speaker 5: of your answers that you're going to have to this
[1:20:24] Speaker 5: is going to build a profile and it's going to
[1:20:25] Speaker 5: give you certain accesses. So to more people, I think
[1:20:29] Speaker 5: it was like 54% or something believed in UFOs or something.
[1:20:32] Speaker 5: It has to be higher than that.
[1:20:33] Speaker 1: It's so interesting because I've been getting letters and emails
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: and phone calls from from friends that i grew up
[1:20:40] Speaker 1: with that aren't necessarily interested in any of this stuff
[1:20:45] Speaker 1: called me crazy probably thought i was insane when i
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: started doing the podcast and talking about some of the
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: things i have but now are calling me or texting
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: me sending me letters or emails like hey man you
[1:20:55] Speaker 1: were right about aliens and now i'm thinking well, wait,
[1:20:59] Speaker 1: do I have to go back and tell them maybe
[1:21:01] Speaker 1: I wasn't right about aliens? Maybe this is, how am
[1:21:04] Speaker 1: I going to explain that this is a psychological operation
[1:21:07] Speaker 1: to these folks? I'm just going to let it slide
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: and be like, you're welcome.
[1:21:12] Speaker 5: So also with this, you know, they're pushing, I feel
[1:21:16] Speaker 5: like Rush was saying, he's like, well, we don't know
[1:21:17] Speaker 5: if they're not from Earth. They could be from another dimension.
[1:21:20] Speaker 5: You know, it's really interesting that he brought up some
[1:21:24] Speaker 5: of the retrieved ships were old, were ancient. I really
[1:21:29] Speaker 5: wish that a lot of these congressmen or senators or
[1:21:30] Speaker 5: whoever it is, that they would crowdsource more of their questions.
[1:21:34] Speaker 5: The one woman, Luna, she put on Twitter, like, hey,
[1:21:36] Speaker 5: give me your questions. I'll pick one of these. But
[1:21:38] Speaker 5: if you ever watch any congressional hearing, there's people on
[1:21:41] Speaker 5: Twitter who are just ripping it apart, like, yes, this, this, this, this,
[1:21:44] Speaker 5: and they'll pop it down to get right to the
[1:21:45] Speaker 5: meat of it. Why didn't anybody ask about Antarctica? What's
[1:21:49] Speaker 5: happening up there? Did you recover one of these in Antarctica?
[1:21:51] Speaker 5: Is there flash frozen? Where's this million old, where's this 10,000
[1:21:55] Speaker 5: year old crash thing that nobody ever saw before? Were
[1:21:58] Speaker 5: you digging deep? Then how did it get so deep
[1:22:00] Speaker 5: under there? I think there's just a lot of questions,
[1:22:04] Speaker 5: and I think it raised a lot more. I think
[1:22:06] Speaker 5: it was good that it was read into the public record.
[1:22:08] Speaker 5: I think, number one, fine. Is all that true?
[1:22:11] Speaker 3: No.
[1:22:12] Speaker 5: Are there UFOs, UAPs? I think that answer is yes.
[1:22:17] Speaker 5: They're just really trying to control this as much as possible.
[1:22:20] Speaker 1: I think it is so interesting. It's something that is
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: going to have to be paid very close attention to
[1:22:28] Speaker 1: And I think what will develop is going to be
[1:22:33] Speaker 1: in the direction that these are indeed a threat, right?
[1:22:41] Speaker 5: So I get torn on this because, yes, they have
[1:22:43] Speaker 5: to be a threat. They can always say they're a threat.
[1:22:46] Speaker 5: They are. I mean, they're outmaneuvering in the sky. But
[1:22:50] Speaker 5: does any government ever want to say, like, I think
[1:22:52] Speaker 5: they have a hard time saying, I don't know, or
[1:22:54] Speaker 5: we can't control this, because that would give more the panic,
[1:22:58] Speaker 5: I think, that they talk about. But actually, it just
[1:23:00] Speaker 5: showed that nobody cares. They told you there's aliens and
[1:23:02] Speaker 5: nobody gave a shit. They went right back to Twitter
[1:23:04] Speaker 5: and Facebook and everything else. What do.
[1:23:09] Speaker 1: You think about the possibility that there are very elite,
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: high-level groups that know not only just a little bit
[1:23:17] Speaker 1: more about what's going on, but are interacting with non-human
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: intelligences that are controlling the narrative, that may be working
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: with what we would consider extraterrestrials already here on Earth,
[1:23:33] Speaker 1: parts of our military-industrial complex, three-letter agencies, elite groups that
[1:23:40] Speaker 1: have contact with these.
[1:23:41] Speaker 2: What do you think about those possibilities?
[1:23:44] Speaker 5: I think that is very likely. I think, you know,
[1:23:46] Speaker 5: you look at some of the things that Tesla was
[1:23:48] Speaker 5: working on, and he was saying he was talking to
[1:23:50] Speaker 5: entities on Mars that were giving him ideas. There have
[1:23:54] Speaker 5: been I forget, was it Gary Webb who hacked into
[1:23:58] Speaker 5: the NASA website and came back with the Seeker Space Program?
[1:24:03] Speaker 5: I definitely think there's an extra space program. You never
[1:24:07] Speaker 5: saw the, I'm drawing a blank on the one that
[1:24:12] Speaker 5: goes in the sky, the SSI.
[1:24:14] Speaker 2: Oh God, the ISS.
[1:24:17] Speaker 5: Yeah, I almost forgot too. The ISS, where was that built?
[1:24:21] Speaker 5: How'd that ever get up there? You brought that up?
[1:24:23] Speaker 5: piece by piece. And like, okay, they never showed that, uh,
[1:24:27] Speaker 5: the moon. Do we go there? I don't know. But
[1:24:29] Speaker 5: if we did, we didn't get there on the first try.
[1:24:31] Speaker 5: So like they hide things like that. Why wouldn't they
[1:24:35] Speaker 5: hide that they're in, in contact with extraterrestrials that they're
[1:24:41] Speaker 5: working with them? I think that would get people more
[1:24:44] Speaker 5: unease than that. There's actually aliens in the sky.
[1:24:47] Speaker 1: Have you questioned the narrative of traditional space models and,
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: what's beyond our atmosphere, what we've been told by NASA.
[1:24:57] Speaker 1: To me, NASA's obviously lying and presenting false information and
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: pictures and videos. For what reason, I don't know. I'm
[1:25:05] Speaker 1: not a flat earther, although I am not a traditional
[1:25:09] Speaker 1: space guy either.
[1:25:11] Speaker 2: Simulation? Possible.
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: But what do you think? Do you think that there
[1:25:15] Speaker 1: is something... that we are not being told there's something
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: completely different about the nature of our reality, especially when
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: it comes to beyond our atmosphere.
[1:25:25] Speaker 2: 100%.
[1:25:28] Speaker 5: I don't trust the mainstream media as a whole. I
[1:25:30] Speaker 5: prefer independent journalists to find things and then cross-reference with that.
[1:25:34] Speaker 5: But the other day on Apple News, it popped up
[1:25:37] Speaker 5: in the Indian Ocean. There was a gravity anomaly in
[1:25:40] Speaker 5: the ocean. And they were saying it was about volcanoes
[1:25:44] Speaker 5: somehow changing the gravity.
[1:25:45] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[1:25:46] Speaker 5: It didn't seem real. But anyway, they talked about the
[1:25:49] Speaker 5: Earth isn't this perfect sphere. So it's not the blue
[1:25:52] Speaker 5: marble that you see, and it's more like a lumpy potato.
[1:25:55] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:25:56] Speaker 5: I've heard Neil deGrasse Tyson talk on Rogan talking about
[1:25:59] Speaker 5: actually at the equator, the Earth is more swollen, so
[1:26:01] Speaker 5: it's more pear-shaped.
[1:26:03] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:26:03] Speaker 5: That's fine too. Where are those photos? Why do we
[1:26:07] Speaker 5: have the blue marble when someone, scientists are telling me
[1:26:10] Speaker 5: it's either a lumpy potato or that it's a pear?
[1:26:15] Speaker 5: Why do we get the blue marble, which is not
[1:26:17] Speaker 5: true then? So I find that interesting. For somebody who's
[1:26:21] Speaker 5: not a flat earther, I have listened to more than
[1:26:24] Speaker 5: my fair share of flat earth podcast. I think the idea,
[1:26:28] Speaker 5: I think, hey, I think thinking is interesting. So I
[1:26:31] Speaker 5: think that these people who are doing this and you
[1:26:34] Speaker 5: can only see, you know, whatever the curvature of the
[1:26:36] Speaker 5: earth is, and they're pointing out from Michigan to Chicago
[1:26:39] Speaker 5: and they're pointing out on the flat salt lakes and
[1:26:41] Speaker 5: you can see all this stuff. Well, where's the answer
[1:26:43] Speaker 5: for that? But does that mean the Earth is flat?
[1:26:46] Speaker 3: No.
[1:26:46] Speaker 5: But where's the answer for that? Because it also doesn't
[1:26:49] Speaker 5: prove your glow. Now, does that prove we're in assimilation? Maybe.
[1:26:51] Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe they just don't want to come
[1:26:52] Speaker 5: out and be like, oh, shit, man, we told you
[1:26:54] Speaker 5: that the Earth's a glow, but really it's a computer
[1:26:56] Speaker 5: program and you guys are just stuck in it. I
[1:26:59] Speaker 5: don't know about that. So I find NASA, they don't
[1:27:03] Speaker 5: do a lot for taking a ton of money. We
[1:27:05] Speaker 5: went to the moon and then we lost the data.
[1:27:07] Speaker 5: I had like T9 calculator technology and now everybody has
[1:27:12] Speaker 5: a hundred times more than that in their pocket. And
[1:27:13] Speaker 5: I go, sorry, we just can't do it. Well, use
[1:27:15] Speaker 5: ChatGPT and have it figured out for you and send
[1:27:17] Speaker 5: us up there tomorrow.
[1:27:18] Speaker 2: Right, right.
[1:27:19] Speaker 5: I don't believe any of it.
[1:27:20] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:27:21] Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't believe any of it.
[1:27:22] Speaker 1: I think that there's something definitely much more interesting and
[1:27:28] Speaker 1: amazing about our reality than we would ever know. I
[1:27:32] Speaker 1: think it's highly manipulatable in a metaphysical type way. I
[1:27:37] Speaker 1: think we have connections to things that we can change
[1:27:42] Speaker 1: with the power of our thought with frequencies and that
[1:27:48] Speaker 1: deception of that we are on this traditional spinning ball
[1:27:53] Speaker 1: thousands of miles hurling through space is to perpetuate that
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: we are insignificant in some way right.
[1:28:03] Speaker 5: Yeah i think it's to provide this hopelessness that people
[1:28:07] Speaker 5: kind of cling to and they just do their nine
[1:28:08] Speaker 5: to five and then they go to the bar on
[1:28:10] Speaker 5: Friday night and then Sunday, they're dreading work for Monday.
[1:28:14] Speaker 5: And I think if you told people, they're like, oh,
[1:28:17] Speaker 5: if we told people there's aliens, society would collapse and
[1:28:19] Speaker 5: banking would collapse and all of this. But I don't
[1:28:21] Speaker 5: think it's for why they think so. I think if
[1:28:24] Speaker 5: you explain to people that you're more capable and powerful
[1:28:29] Speaker 5: than you know, or there's possibilities you could channel or
[1:28:32] Speaker 5: communicate or somehow communicate with other beings that are real.
[1:28:38] Speaker 5: It doesn't involve this whole shamanic procession and you can
[1:28:42] Speaker 5: do this. I think more people would check out a
[1:28:44] Speaker 5: society that way and then go enjoy the real world
[1:28:49] Speaker 5: as opposed to they're so afraid they're under their covers
[1:28:52] Speaker 5: and they're not going to go to the store and
[1:28:54] Speaker 5: gas is going to collapse or whatever it is.
[1:28:56] Speaker 2: Now, you mentioned ChatGPT.
[1:28:59] Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard of or been looking
[1:29:02] Speaker 1: at some of the conspiracies and concerns surrounding AI, ChatGPT,
[1:29:09] Speaker 1: AI art, and how rapid this technology is developing and
[1:29:14] Speaker 1: being implemented. They're trying to replace Hollywood actors with AI,
[1:29:20] Speaker 1: Hollywood scripts with AI. That's the reason for the, this,
[1:29:25] Speaker 1: the strikes in Hollywood. And it's very interesting that people,
[1:29:30] Speaker 1: that's another thing that people aren't showing much concern about
[1:29:34] Speaker 1: at all. It's just like, let it happen because Hollywood
[1:29:38] Speaker 1: has fallen apart so much in the past three to
[1:29:40] Speaker 1: five or more years that that people are wanting genuine entertainment.
[1:29:46] Speaker 1: They're realizing that Hollywood's no longer become about entertainment or
[1:29:51] Speaker 1: making money.
[1:29:51] Speaker 2: It's about propaganda mostly.
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: So people want real entertainment, and that's why they're turning
[1:29:57] Speaker 1: to more independent filmmakers, podcasts, things of that nature. So
[1:30:02] Speaker 1: it's very interesting what's occurring. But at the same time,
[1:30:05] Speaker 1: they're rolling out this AI technology And some believe, I
[1:30:10] Speaker 1: think this is a very interesting theory, that what we're
[1:30:12] Speaker 1: seeing with ChatGPTP is going to be implemented to our
[1:30:16] Speaker 1: search engines to only provide sanitized information approved for human consumption,
[1:30:23] Speaker 1: meaning no more of your own research.
[1:30:26] Speaker 5: I think we're halfway there without ChatGPTP. I mean, you saw,
[1:30:29] Speaker 5: you know, they had the Twitter files that came out,
[1:30:32] Speaker 5: Matt Talibi and those other guys. So much information was censored.
[1:30:35] Speaker 5: And then Google was taking things off. And it used
[1:30:38] Speaker 5: to be you could go to DuckDuckGo and DarkWet, wherever
[1:30:40] Speaker 5: it might be, and you could find some better information.
[1:30:43] Speaker 5: But there are legitimate videos, historical videos, about some of
[1:30:46] Speaker 5: those third rail topics that you can go watch. You
[1:30:50] Speaker 5: could have watched.
[1:30:50] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[1:30:50] Speaker 5: Maybe somebody saved them. And there's just some interesting things
[1:30:53] Speaker 5: in there that you should ask. What's that guy in
[1:30:55] Speaker 5: the cowboy hat doing? I don't know. But they're gone now.
[1:30:59] Speaker 5: And you can't say anything about that anymore. Maybe he
[1:31:02] Speaker 5: was just... meandering about right place, right time.
[1:31:05] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[1:31:06] Speaker 5: ChatGPT for the sanitizing, I think people would be happy
[1:31:10] Speaker 5: about that. Normal, I'm talking about the non-involved people. They
[1:31:15] Speaker 5: don't even know. They have no idea. And I saw
[1:31:17] Speaker 5: an article, the ChatGPT, that they instructed to write one
[1:31:21] Speaker 5: of those BS Hallmark movies or whatever. And it came
[1:31:25] Speaker 5: to like 90% close. It was like, oh, a woman
[1:31:27] Speaker 5: breaks up a boyfriend, big city, moves back. And it wrote,
[1:31:30] Speaker 5: they said, a pretty acceptable... script that you could go make.
[1:31:34] Speaker 5: And that'd be like the Netflix, the Amazon Prime type
[1:31:37] Speaker 5: ones they could go make. Now, is it at the
[1:31:39] Speaker 5: blockbuster stage yet?
[1:31:41] Speaker 3: No.
[1:31:41] Speaker 5: But what's that? A year, two years away? Once this
[1:31:44] Speaker 5: stuff's open, the creators, they don't care. They're not thinking
[1:31:47] Speaker 5: further down the line. And then you're going to beg
[1:31:50] Speaker 5: the government to rein it in. They pulled Zuckerberg in
[1:31:53] Speaker 5: for hearings and they're like, how do I change my password?
[1:31:57] Speaker 5: Who put you in charge, man? That's not the question
[1:32:00] Speaker 5: you're supposed to be asking. It's about... Gathering data, are
[1:32:03] Speaker 5: you overreaching? And you're like, oh, I'm locked out. I
[1:32:05] Speaker 5: can't message my granddaughter or look at the cute puppy video.
[1:32:09] Speaker 5: These old people have to go, man. I'm sorry. Not
[1:32:12] Speaker 5: in general, all of them. These old ones in Congress
[1:32:15] Speaker 5: and in the government. If you're not helping the situation,
[1:32:20] Speaker 5: you're just being a problem. Actively or inactively.
[1:32:24] Speaker 1: Are you concerned at all about the possibility of sentient
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: AI or some sort of inhabitants or golem situation with
[1:32:38] Speaker 1: malevolent spirits and technology things of that nature.
[1:32:44] Speaker 5: Yeah i think if there's things out there they could
[1:32:46] Speaker 5: inhabit i mean you see some people that are doing
[1:32:48] Speaker 5: insane things uh you know bending in ways you should
[1:32:52] Speaker 5: build a bend and things like that could these spirits
[1:32:56] Speaker 5: take over technology i don't see why not but Do
[1:33:01] Speaker 5: I think there's... Yes, that can happen. Separately, I also
[1:33:05] Speaker 5: think that people aren't going to be able to fully
[1:33:07] Speaker 5: understand the technology, are going to put it in charge,
[1:33:10] Speaker 5: or put it in charge of a small thing, and
[1:33:12] Speaker 5: the technology is going to outwit the creators, and you're
[1:33:16] Speaker 5: going to see not necessarily Skynet, but something of like, oh,
[1:33:20] Speaker 5: I will just take over all of the military defense systems.
[1:33:24] Speaker 5: I will just take over all of the internet, and
[1:33:26] Speaker 5: it's easier for me to do, and just lock people out.
[1:33:29] Speaker 5: I just don't think there are People are thinking three, four,
[1:33:32] Speaker 5: five steps down the road.
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: What do you think about Elon Musk and what he
[1:33:40] Speaker 1: is building and what he's done with Twitter and SpaceX?
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: And some believe he's the Antichrist. Some believe he's trying
[1:33:47] Speaker 1: to help humanity.
[1:33:48] Speaker 2: What do you think?
[1:33:51] Speaker 5: I think with the billion dollars he got, I just
[1:33:53] Speaker 5: saw a video the other day from when he first
[1:33:54] Speaker 5: started before PayPal. He's changed a lot, man. He's got
[1:33:58] Speaker 5: some good hair plugs. He's got good braces. Uh, money
[1:34:01] Speaker 5: does wonders. Do I think he's the antichrist? I don't know.
[1:34:05] Speaker 5: I think the guy may have, you know, I think
[1:34:07] Speaker 5: he's probably pretty smart with computers and companies and he
[1:34:10] Speaker 5: found a way for the government to give him free money.
[1:34:13] Speaker 5: And you know, SpaceX is subsidized by the government. He
[1:34:17] Speaker 5: doesn't have to create it. The Tesla doesn't have to
[1:34:18] Speaker 5: create anything. He doesn't have to run for a profit.
[1:34:21] Speaker 5: It's going to get subsidized. I kind of think he
[1:34:23] Speaker 5: found out the hack in life, you know, um, now
[1:34:26] Speaker 5: as you can use that for good, I don't think
[1:34:27] Speaker 5: he's this great savior to Twitter. I think he kind
[1:34:30] Speaker 5: of just put it back to, I mean, it still
[1:34:32] Speaker 5: means not as heavy left, but it's still being censored.
[1:34:36] Speaker 5: I think that if somebody truly was just trying to
[1:34:38] Speaker 5: have a down the middle, say what you want. And hey,
[1:34:42] Speaker 5: some things, you know what? Maybe they shouldn't be on
[1:34:44] Speaker 5: social media. You want to go run your clan rally,
[1:34:46] Speaker 5: like go do that somewhere else. Join a separate thing, right?
[1:34:48] Speaker 5: But that's not what, people have to take it to
[1:34:50] Speaker 5: the extreme. We can't just have a thing and have
[1:34:52] Speaker 5: normal left and right conversation. Some must be, what if
[1:34:55] Speaker 5: I just put the worst thing out there? Like nobody
[1:34:57] Speaker 5: wants that, man. Like go.
[1:34:59] Speaker 1: Well, that's why I don't cover politics because all I
[1:35:02] Speaker 1: see is that is a division tool to keep people
[1:35:07] Speaker 1: as far away from each other as possible. They want
[1:35:10] Speaker 1: you either extreme right or extreme left. They don't want
[1:35:14] Speaker 1: anybody in the middle looking critically at either side. They
[1:35:19] Speaker 1: don't want people coming together and discussing these things. So
[1:35:22] Speaker 1: the division tactics from everything from politics to sex– to sexuality,
[1:35:29] Speaker 1: to education, all these things that they're using to divide
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: people right now. They want to keep us as far
[1:35:35] Speaker 1: away from each other as possible. And coming together is
[1:35:39] Speaker 1: dangerous for them because we then realize that we're the
[1:35:44] Speaker 1: ones that are being lied to from either side.
[1:35:47] Speaker 5: Yeah, look at the 2020 incident. You couldn't go to
[1:35:50] Speaker 5: places of worship. You couldn't go to your friend's house.
[1:35:53] Speaker 5: You couldn't go to the hospital to see loved ones.
[1:35:55] Speaker 3: Why?
[1:35:56] Speaker 5: I mean, you're going to talk about what's happening and
[1:35:58] Speaker 5: maybe it's not as crazy as it says on TV,
[1:36:00] Speaker 5: but you can go to the liquor store and go
[1:36:02] Speaker 5: do that. And that was fine. You can go to
[1:36:06] Speaker 5: rallies that happened to skew one side. That was fine.
[1:36:11] Speaker 5: I find politics, I pay attention to the news probably
[1:36:15] Speaker 5: more than I should. I find politics exhausting. There's not
[1:36:19] Speaker 5: going to be this great savior from one side or
[1:36:21] Speaker 5: the other. Whoever's in power, they jam up the other side.
[1:36:25] Speaker 5: They do it any way they can. And now that
[1:36:27] Speaker 5: it's switched over and some of those same tactics are
[1:36:29] Speaker 5: being used, but that's not the decency of society. Like, okay,
[1:36:32] Speaker 5: both sides already ruined it. And at the very top,
[1:36:35] Speaker 5: it's all about how to make as much money possible
[1:36:37] Speaker 5: in insider trading, in deals for me, in deals for
[1:36:40] Speaker 5: family and friends, companies that are being run and just
[1:36:45] Speaker 5: vote to get people to keep me in office, to
[1:36:48] Speaker 5: get this cush job. That's nonsense.
[1:36:52] Speaker 1: There's some that believe the only way we're going to
[1:36:54] Speaker 1: break out of this is to completely break down and
[1:36:58] Speaker 1: destroy the system that we have already. Some believe that
[1:37:01] Speaker 1: this is already occurring based on what we're seeing. Because
[1:37:07] Speaker 1: of this, we may see a level of global chaos, disturbances,
[1:37:14] Speaker 1: and disruption of people's normal lives to possibly some extremes.
[1:37:20] Speaker 1: And that would be the only way that we would
[1:37:23] Speaker 1: even be able to tear down and start rebuilding society
[1:37:26] Speaker 1: is to destroy this.
[1:37:28] Speaker 2: And some believe that.
[1:37:30] Speaker 1: We're being pushed to a different direction, but through a
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: slow dismantling and rebuilding under the guise of something that
[1:37:41] Speaker 1: we're not expecting so that it can happen as.
[1:37:45] Speaker 2: A smooth progression. What do you see as.
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: Being the next five to 10 years, the direction that
[1:37:53] Speaker 1: we could be headed.
[1:37:56] Speaker 5: Chaos. Whatever the most interesting outcome is going to happen.
[1:38:01] Speaker 5: I don't know if I fully support the idea that
[1:38:05] Speaker 5: we're on this smooth transit. I mean, it's not smooth,
[1:38:08] Speaker 5: but just this backdoor transition that we're not aware of
[1:38:12] Speaker 5: that would go to a better place. If we are,
[1:38:14] Speaker 5: I'd be open to hearing more. more about it at
[1:38:18] Speaker 5: a mainstream level and people really laying out the plan
[1:38:21] Speaker 5: of like, Hey, this is what's going to happen. And
[1:38:24] Speaker 5: none of this like, hey, trust the plan type of thing.
[1:38:26] Speaker 5: No one's getting locked up in Gitmo, man. That's over.
[1:38:29] Speaker 5: It's not happening. Let it go. It seems that we
[1:38:33] Speaker 5: are being gutted from the inside. We're being gutted from
[1:38:35] Speaker 5: the outside. That we're possibly standing on toothpicks of pillars
[1:38:41] Speaker 5: that we're not even aware of from how much we've
[1:38:43] Speaker 5: been gutted. I feel bad for what's happening with Ukraine
[1:38:49] Speaker 5: and Russia. I'm also not educated enough to go on
[1:38:52] Speaker 5: here and talk about it, but they'll put anybody on
[1:38:54] Speaker 5: TV to have this hard, strong opinion. And if you
[1:38:57] Speaker 5: don't agree with it, then you're for the other side.
[1:39:00] Speaker 5: But where are billions of dollars just flowing to? Can
[1:39:02] Speaker 5: we just take a step back and take a deep
[1:39:04] Speaker 5: breath and say, hey, what's the plan for all of this?
[1:39:07] Speaker 5: Because it's not for some small little country. This isn't
[1:39:10] Speaker 5: like David versus Goliath. That's not real. And that's not
[1:39:14] Speaker 5: going to happen. All you did was just waste billions
[1:39:16] Speaker 5: of dollars. It may have wasn't your intention. That's part
[1:39:18] Speaker 5: of gutting us. But go down, I live 15 miles
[1:39:23] Speaker 5: from Philadelphia. It's fentanyl city over there, man. You see
[1:39:28] Speaker 5: just very sad things going on that there should be
[1:39:31] Speaker 5: better opportunities, better approaches for. And it's not happening. One
[1:39:38] Speaker 5: side wants to just scream about it and not really
[1:39:41] Speaker 5: have a plan for it. And the other side pretends
[1:39:42] Speaker 5: it doesn't exist. But it does exist. And we just
[1:39:45] Speaker 5: need a better plan instead of this left and right.
[1:39:48] Speaker 5: I think when we were growing up, people were more
[1:39:51] Speaker 5: center and then you occasionally just swerved a little left
[1:39:53] Speaker 5: or right. And one person could do both. It wasn't
[1:39:56] Speaker 5: you like, Oh, I only go right. You're like, no, like, Hey,
[1:39:58] Speaker 5: I like this idea of let's give benefit programs to somebody.
[1:40:02] Speaker 5: And like, Oh, I like this idea of strengthening our border.
[1:40:05] Speaker 5: And you kind of just circled back and forth. And
[1:40:08] Speaker 5: now it's, I mean, if you don't agree with whatever
[1:40:10] Speaker 5: your state representative is saying, you, man, you should be
[1:40:14] Speaker 5: exercised and not even an American. It's, it's a crazy
[1:40:17] Speaker 5: world we live in. It seems like it's by design. So, yeah.
[1:40:22] Speaker 5: So my prediction for the next five to 10 years
[1:40:24] Speaker 5: is just more chaos.
[1:40:27] Speaker 1: Well, I think that the only way that they will
[1:40:30] Speaker 1: continue to perpetuate that level of chaos is fear campaigns.
[1:40:35] Speaker 1: There's always a new invisible enemy. There's the argument right
[1:40:41] Speaker 1: now on whether it's going to be another pandemic. climate change,
[1:40:45] Speaker 1: or fake UFO invasion. Me personally, I'm rooting for the
[1:40:50] Speaker 1: fake invasion because at least it would be a hell
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: of a lot more interesting to me than any of
[1:40:55] Speaker 1: the other things. While we're speaking on UFOs and tying
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: it back to the nefarious global forces, could it be
[1:41:03] Speaker 1: possible that our global elites are not only in collusion
[1:41:10] Speaker 1: with non-human entities, but There has been an ongoing hybridization
[1:41:17] Speaker 1: experiment to integrate these non-human entities, whether they're non-physical or
[1:41:25] Speaker 1: extraterrestrial or interdimensional, into the human race gradually over time
[1:41:31] Speaker 1: and have them take over positions of power. I'm mentioning
[1:41:35] Speaker 1: this because I've heard this theory many times from different
[1:41:37] Speaker 1: guests that tend to believe that this is what is occurring.
[1:41:43] Speaker 1: at elite levels, and even amongst the general population that
[1:41:47] Speaker 1: we are slowly being replaced by these hybrid beings. What
[1:41:52] Speaker 1: do you think of those possibilities?
[1:41:56] Speaker 5: I think if you're talking about UFOs not being of
[1:42:01] Speaker 5: human origin, then all that's possible. If they can get here,
[1:42:06] Speaker 5: they want something. They want a resource. Could humans be
[1:42:09] Speaker 5: the resource? Could DNA? Could blood? Whatever it might be.
[1:42:12] Speaker 5: I've heard all these same things. Hey, are there lizard people?
[1:42:18] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[1:42:18] Speaker 5: Is Pindar in the center of the earth ruling all
[1:42:20] Speaker 5: of this? He could be. I don't know. I do
[1:42:23] Speaker 5: enjoy every once in a while going down a rabbit
[1:42:25] Speaker 5: hole of, again, going to these mainstream sources. You go
[1:42:29] Speaker 5: to the CNBC, the C-SPAN, and they'll show a hearing.
[1:42:34] Speaker 5: And one of the politician's eyes are getting all like wiggy,
[1:42:38] Speaker 5: like the little flip inside and they don't even react.
[1:42:41] Speaker 5: Like I couldn't imagine my eyelid flipping inside out and
[1:42:45] Speaker 5: like my eye doing crazy things and not putting my
[1:42:47] Speaker 5: hand up to push my eyelid back down. Like they
[1:42:49] Speaker 5: just sit there and they're even blinking fast to get
[1:42:52] Speaker 5: rid of it. Like they barely even know that it's there.
[1:42:54] Speaker 5: Like that just sounds like that's crazy. Or like the Vatican,
[1:42:57] Speaker 5: that church that's shaped like a serpent. Like there has
[1:43:00] Speaker 5: to be a reason for all of that. And there's
[1:43:02] Speaker 5: no answers. Nobody asks any, we ask things and people
[1:43:06] Speaker 5: in our community ask things. But the people, in quotes,
[1:43:09] Speaker 5: in power, the reporters who are supposed to be here, hey, Pope,
[1:43:13] Speaker 5: thank you so much for your one minute of time.
[1:43:15] Speaker 5: Who designed your church? No, no, it's just like, oh,
[1:43:18] Speaker 5: thank you so much. Yeah, do I think there's a
[1:43:21] Speaker 5: possibility of hybrids? Yeah, I don't see why not. Could
[1:43:26] Speaker 5: the aliens be an ancient offshoot race, a split of humanity?
[1:43:32] Speaker 5: Could be. Are they trying to repair their DNA?
[1:43:34] Speaker 3: Possibly.
[1:43:35] Speaker 5: Possibly. At this point, I don't rule any of it out.
[1:43:39] Speaker 1: Have you interviewed many experiencers or people that claim to
[1:43:44] Speaker 1: have been abducted?
[1:43:47] Speaker 5: I had a gentleman, we were going over, I'm trying
[1:43:51] Speaker 5: to think of the name, oh, Mage, M-A-G-E, I don't
[1:43:53] Speaker 5: know how to pronounce that right, in Brazil, Mage, Brazil,
[1:43:56] Speaker 5: in March of 2020, I'm sorry, it's March or May,
[1:44:00] Speaker 5: I'm fuzzing on the facts right here. There was a
[1:44:03] Speaker 5: UFO incident where it was captured on multiple cell phones
[1:44:08] Speaker 5: and apparently it crashed. And then the military went in
[1:44:10] Speaker 5: there and, you know, roped off the area and apparently
[1:44:14] Speaker 5: got a firefight with the aliens and recovered the UFO.
[1:44:17] Speaker 5: This isn't the James Fox thing. This is different. So
[1:44:19] Speaker 5: the gentleman was on there. He starts telling me that
[1:44:21] Speaker 5: he's been, he's had experiences with UFOs and aliens and
[1:44:26] Speaker 5: he gets abducted in the astral realm. Like when he goes,
[1:44:30] Speaker 5: he'll get almost like a narcolepsy and he was in
[1:44:33] Speaker 5: the mall and And he was walking with a buddy
[1:44:36] Speaker 5: and he got like a narcolepsy feeling and had to
[1:44:38] Speaker 5: sit down. And as he was on the bench in
[1:44:40] Speaker 5: the mall, he was being abducted by aliens and they
[1:44:42] Speaker 5: were working on him, on his astral body. I thought
[1:44:46] Speaker 5: it was fascinating. I've never heard of anything like that.
[1:44:48] Speaker 1: There's so many of these that have similarities, but it
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: also points to this is a consciousness phenomena. This is
[1:44:57] Speaker 1: not necessarily something that is happening in physical reality. People
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: that have reported being taken from their bed at night
[1:45:04] Speaker 1: at night frequently over and over again will eventually set
[1:45:08] Speaker 1: up a video camera to film themselves and the whole
[1:45:11] Speaker 1: night they're just laying there sleeping peacefully nothing's happening but
[1:45:15] Speaker 1: what they remember is being taken on a ship through
[1:45:18] Speaker 1: their roof in a non-physical way onto a ship and
[1:45:21] Speaker 1: being worked on by non-human entities now to me that
[1:45:24] Speaker 1: points to astral experiences And there are many that have
[1:45:30] Speaker 1: confirmed that that is indeed what's happening, that they have
[1:45:33] Speaker 1: the ability to either access or affect our consciousness to
[1:45:41] Speaker 1: interface with us in a way and make us either
[1:45:46] Speaker 1: have these experiences to where it does have an effect
[1:45:49] Speaker 1: in our physical reality or they want us to believe
[1:45:52] Speaker 1: it's having an effect in our physical reality.
[1:45:54] Speaker 2: But there's many of them.
[1:45:55] Speaker 1: Disturbing stories that where i've heard that people are not
[1:45:58] Speaker 1: only having the medical experiments done but possible dna or
[1:46:05] Speaker 1: fertilization hybridization type things where they'll even meet hybrid children
[1:46:10] Speaker 1: of theirs that are they're being introduced to by these
[1:46:13] Speaker 1: extraterrestrials so it's all very interesting.
[1:46:17] Speaker 5: So i would i'd be interested in seeing some of
[1:46:19] Speaker 5: those videos excuse me And then also with the hybridization,
[1:46:23] Speaker 5: if that's happening in the astral realm where there are consciousness,
[1:46:27] Speaker 5: how that comes to fruition at the end. I find
[1:46:30] Speaker 5: that that would be interesting too.
[1:46:33] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, 100%.
[1:46:34] Speaker 1: And all the experiencers and contactees that there's a bit
[1:46:39] Speaker 1: about three or four that have actually set up the
[1:46:42] Speaker 1: camera and watched themselves. And every single one of them
[1:46:45] Speaker 1: was just soundly, appeared to be soundly asleep all night
[1:46:49] Speaker 1: and there was no disruption. Didn't seem to be any
[1:46:53] Speaker 1: missing time in the timestamp or anything like that. So
[1:46:56] Speaker 1: it's very interesting, but there's also a common theme in
[1:47:00] Speaker 1: a few of these videos that there will be these
[1:47:03] Speaker 1: orbs that are floating by during the time period of
[1:47:08] Speaker 1: the experience. And these are not just your typical dust
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: balls that you see on cameras. I've seen plenty of
[1:47:15] Speaker 1: those and I know the difference. I've even filmed my
[1:47:18] Speaker 1: own orbs in the house I'm in, in my girlfriend's house.
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: And they seem to have some sort of intelligence to them.
[1:47:26] Speaker 1: They're not just bugs or dust. There's something more to them.
[1:47:29] Speaker 1: And I truly believe that what could be happening with
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: that phenomena links to some sort of energetic phenomena that
[1:47:39] Speaker 1: manifests as these orbs.
[1:47:41] Speaker 5: So when you were recording these orbs, It just happened
[1:47:46] Speaker 5: to be in the background of videos of something else
[1:47:48] Speaker 5: you were recording? Or were you intentionally trying.
[1:47:50] Speaker 1: To record this? I have a night vision security camera
[1:47:53] Speaker 1: that we just noticed one night. We had it in
[1:47:56] Speaker 1: our room.
[1:47:57] Speaker 2: We left.
[1:47:58] Speaker 1: And I checked the camera, the video. And my girlfriend's
[1:48:03] Speaker 1: house is extremely clean.
[1:48:05] Speaker 2: This was in the.
[1:48:06] Speaker 1: Middle of winter in northern Colorado. They had no bugs
[1:48:09] Speaker 1: anywhere in the house. No bugs outside.
[1:48:12] Speaker 2: But these.
[1:48:13] Speaker 1: Translucent orbs were like swinging around the room and seemed
[1:48:17] Speaker 1: to change direction and go the opposite way. way and
[1:48:21] Speaker 1: have a sort of intelligence to them and we were
[1:48:23] Speaker 1: watching them for about 20-30 minutes and they this was
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: a repetitive thing almost every night we were able to
[1:48:30] Speaker 1: catch these incredible seeming intelligent orbs on camera We have
[1:48:35] Speaker 1: some recorded. I've never really posted any of them because
[1:48:38] Speaker 1: there's so many of these videos out there, but I
[1:48:40] Speaker 1: do find it interesting, and it's something worth considering that
[1:48:44] Speaker 1: there is some sort of intelligence connected to this orb manifestation.
[1:48:51] Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd be interested. I'm going to freak my wife
[1:48:53] Speaker 5: out by setting up a camera now at night.
[1:48:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a $ 20 camera I got from Amazon that
[1:48:59] Speaker 1: has night vision built in, and you can see these
[1:49:01] Speaker 1: things plain as day.
[1:49:03] Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was going to say that before you
[1:49:05] Speaker 5: brought up your experience, I wonder if people just recorded
[1:49:07] Speaker 5: their rooms at night. There's so many undocumented, and you're
[1:49:11] Speaker 5: just not there. You're sleeping. You're not there to see
[1:49:14] Speaker 5: what's happening above you or around you.
[1:49:15] Speaker 1: No, I've seen this in many different locations, even locations
[1:49:18] Speaker 1: where people don't experience anything. I think there are subtle
[1:49:22] Speaker 1: energies that surround us at all times that we can't
[1:49:25] Speaker 1: pick up with our eyes, but maybe the cameras, cell phones,
[1:49:29] Speaker 1: electromagnetic equipment can pick up these things, can see them
[1:49:34] Speaker 1: much better than their eyes, and this is happening more
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: than we often with photography, and it's often dismissed, but
[1:49:41] Speaker 1: I've had professional photographers on.
[1:49:43] Speaker 2: In fact, I've had Mr.
[1:49:45] Speaker 1: Nick Hayes on a couple of times, and this is,
[1:49:47] Speaker 1: I highly recommend going to see this episode if people haven't.
[1:49:51] Speaker 1: He shared his screen and showed some incredible photographs. He's
[1:49:55] Speaker 1: a professional photographer that realized if you combine ultraviolet and infrared,
[1:50:00] Speaker 1: different types of ultraviolet and different infrared filters to the cameras,
[1:50:04] Speaker 1: you can pick up incredible things in the sky and
[1:50:07] Speaker 1: surrounding areas. And he has caught things like giant amoebas
[1:50:12] Speaker 1: and things that look like massive whales and fish in
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: the sky. along with unseen craft and what seems like
[1:50:19] Speaker 1: biological or plasma-like entities that seem to be floating around
[1:50:25] Speaker 1: in the sky at all times. And again, those episodes
[1:50:28] Speaker 1: are on my feed on Rumble or Rockfin if you
[1:50:30] Speaker 1: want to see the video. And it's some of the
[1:50:33] Speaker 1: most incredible footage that I have ever seen. And he
[1:50:37] Speaker 1: is about to put together another. He wrote a book
[1:50:40] Speaker 1: about it called Quest for the Invisibles. He's trying to
[1:50:42] Speaker 1: put together another one right now. He's been a little
[1:50:45] Speaker 1: ill and hasn't been able to go out with his cameras.
[1:50:47] Speaker 1: But I'm very excited to see what the next set,
[1:50:49] Speaker 1: because the first set of photos he's got about, he
[1:50:52] Speaker 1: went over about 50 or 60 with me, are absolutely incredible.
[1:50:57] Speaker 1: And I couldn't tell you what that is, if this
[1:50:59] Speaker 1: is some sort of realm that we're tapping into just
[1:51:02] Speaker 1: by looking through his photographs.
[1:51:06] Speaker 5: Yes, as above, so below. I find that interesting. What
[1:51:10] Speaker 5: is above us, we don't really know. And even the ISS,
[1:51:14] Speaker 5: if it's up there, whatever it's doing, it's not that
[1:51:16] Speaker 5: high up. So what's above that? Again, I don't know.
[1:51:20] Speaker 5: They launch rockets into the sky. They do this beautiful
[1:51:23] Speaker 5: arc that doesn't go nowhere straight up. So I find
[1:51:29] Speaker 5: all that stuff fascinating. Stuff like Chris Knowles is a
[1:51:34] Speaker 5: good guest that's been on the Higher Side Chats and
[1:51:36] Speaker 5: some of these other guys, and they'll break down. There
[1:51:40] Speaker 5: was one that is that the Titan submersible imploded. Then
[1:51:44] Speaker 5: the Jeff Bezos rocket kind of went up a few
[1:51:47] Speaker 5: days later and he breaks down the numerological significance with
[1:51:51] Speaker 5: that and different ancient gods that it could be reflecting.
[1:51:55] Speaker 5: I think all of that is fascinating. There's so much
[1:51:58] Speaker 5: more to our reality. We can't see shit, man. Our
[1:52:00] Speaker 5: eyes are terrible. Our hearing is terrible. We see in
[1:52:05] Speaker 5: one ray of light, whatever it is, one spectrum of light,
[1:52:10] Speaker 5: We can't hear dog whistles. There could be entire conversations
[1:52:13] Speaker 5: and things happening next to us that we don't even understand.
[1:52:16] Speaker 5: I find all this fascinating.
[1:52:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me wonder, are those being intentionally done,
[1:52:22] Speaker 1: those ritualistic aspects that align with numerological alignments and astronomical alignments,
[1:52:30] Speaker 1: occult practices, occult rituals that line up with nature and
[1:52:33] Speaker 1: reality in certain ways.
[1:52:36] Speaker 2: Are.
[1:52:36] Speaker 1: These intentionally being put together or is this some kind
[1:52:39] Speaker 1: of cosmic supernatural phenomenon that just occurs that the universe
[1:52:44] Speaker 1: or spirit world is using people in certain ways that
[1:52:48] Speaker 1: it just happens to fall in that direction? It's very
[1:52:51] Speaker 1: interesting either way because either way it would show that
[1:52:55] Speaker 1: something sort of mystical is at work, right?
[1:53:00] Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think there definitely is something. There's
[1:53:03] Speaker 5: just something more I think people realize there's something more too.
[1:53:07] Speaker 5: And that's why sometimes the government comes out with this
[1:53:10] Speaker 5: nonsense of trying to dictate what's really happening or tell
[1:53:13] Speaker 5: you what they can do. And there's very little proof
[1:53:15] Speaker 5: that they're doing it. I think it's just to take
[1:53:19] Speaker 5: that connection away from people. Now, does that lead to
[1:53:22] Speaker 5: flat earth?
[1:53:23] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[1:53:23] Speaker 5: Maybe. Maybe.
[1:53:26] Speaker 1: I think it's all connected in some way because it
[1:53:29] Speaker 1: all connects to our perception of reality. And I was
[1:53:34] Speaker 1: talking to my guest cosmic peach yesterday about how we,
[1:53:39] Speaker 1: what we're shown on television from Hollywood, from the media,
[1:53:43] Speaker 1: now social media is all pre-approved and sanitized just for
[1:53:49] Speaker 1: our consumption. It's for propaganda purposes and, There is truth,
[1:53:54] Speaker 1: always truth sprinkled in there at some point, but you
[1:53:58] Speaker 1: will never know when, and that's all part of the
[1:54:01] Speaker 1: way that this propaganda works, is they have to tell
[1:54:03] Speaker 1: us the truth about some things and sprinkle in some
[1:54:06] Speaker 1: nonsense so that we have no idea what's really going on.
[1:54:11] Speaker 1: And it is very interesting what has been happening with
[1:54:16] Speaker 1: people checking out from that propaganda because... Hollywood, the media,
[1:54:21] Speaker 1: is the largest source of mind control, basically, that the
[1:54:28] Speaker 1: globalists and elitists have to feed us whatever propaganda and
[1:54:33] Speaker 1: agendas they're trying to put forward. But when people check
[1:54:36] Speaker 1: out and they're not watching it anymore, this is going
[1:54:40] Speaker 1: to have a major effect on what they're trying to
[1:54:43] Speaker 1: produce for us. And I think more and more people
[1:54:46] Speaker 1: are doing this.
[1:54:47] Speaker 2: Do you have.
[1:54:49] Speaker 1: Do you have hope for that we can skew the
[1:54:52] Speaker 1: timeline by the amount of people that are questioning reality?
[1:54:57] Speaker 2: Do you see more people awakening?
[1:55:00] Speaker 5: I think that the streaming services have gotten out of
[1:55:04] Speaker 5: the hands of what the propaganda machine would like. When
[1:55:08] Speaker 5: we were growing up, I could reference a movie, a
[1:55:11] Speaker 5: TV show. If you didn't see the exact episode, you
[1:55:14] Speaker 5: saw most of the episodes. Rarely is there you know,
[1:55:17] Speaker 5: for a timeframe, you start bringing up mash, like I
[1:55:19] Speaker 5: wasn't alive for mash, man. I don't know about it,
[1:55:20] Speaker 5: but you know, you bring up the TGIF stuff or
[1:55:23] Speaker 5: go just use full out full house episode. Oh yeah.
[1:55:24] Speaker 3: I was eight.
[1:55:25] Speaker 5: I watched it. Now I was listening to a podcast
[1:55:28] Speaker 5: the other day. This is something that there was 22,000
[1:55:30] Speaker 5: scripted television shows in 2022. And then there was 800,000
[1:55:35] Speaker 5: choices of television programming.
[1:55:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:55:40] Speaker 5: Now I haven't, I don't watch most of it, so
[1:55:42] Speaker 5: I don't know, but unless they're all repeating the same message,
[1:55:44] Speaker 5: it's going to be really hard to get, certain propaganda out.
[1:55:47] Speaker 5: And it seems that, you know, why would, and again, hey,
[1:55:50] Speaker 5: that's government subsidies to me, that's why, but why would Netflix, Amazon, Peacock, Hulu,
[1:55:55] Speaker 5: why would they all make a very similar show? You know,
[1:55:59] Speaker 5: what branch, you know, how much of the people are
[1:56:03] Speaker 5: you grabbing that actually still watch that stuff? And then
[1:56:05] Speaker 5: the people who have cut the cord, the people who
[1:56:08] Speaker 5: are going to alternative media, you know, I think Daily
[1:56:11] Speaker 5: Wire is producing some media, the Sound of Freedom, I'm sorry,
[1:56:14] Speaker 5: the Sound of Freedom, I don't really want to watch
[1:56:17] Speaker 5: a child trafficking movie. I have no interest in that,
[1:56:18] Speaker 5: but it's gotten a lot of money and people are
[1:56:20] Speaker 5: very upset that you're talking about something that is true. Now,
[1:56:24] Speaker 5: as everything is, I don't, I don't know. I didn't
[1:56:25] Speaker 5: go see it, but it seems like, you know, it's
[1:56:28] Speaker 5: closer to a documentary than it is a movie.
[1:56:31] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:56:31] Speaker 5: But then you'll go see and see that Barbie did
[1:56:32] Speaker 5: $ 500 billion, wherever it was. And it's like, nope, all
[1:56:35] Speaker 5: hopes lost, man. Like we're done.
[1:56:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
[1:56:38] Speaker 1: Every time I start to think that there are more
[1:56:41] Speaker 1: people questioning the narrative on the, and on the right
[1:56:44] Speaker 1: side of history than not, Then you see something like
[1:56:47] Speaker 1: the Barbie.
[1:56:48] Speaker 2: Movie making that much movie.
[1:56:49] Speaker 1: Now, is that another psychological operation to make us think
[1:56:53] Speaker 1: that it's still that we don't have any hope?
[1:56:57] Speaker 2: I don't know. It's possible.
[1:56:59] Speaker 1: But I'm still going to check out from it. I
[1:57:02] Speaker 1: pay as little attention. to politics, mainstream media, propaganda, Hollywood
[1:57:08] Speaker 1: as possible and try to focus on my own things.
[1:57:11] Speaker 1: And I think more and more people are doing that.
[1:57:14] Speaker 1: And that's going to be the key to skewing whatever
[1:57:17] Speaker 1: kind of nightmare disaster that we're headed towards. But it
[1:57:21] Speaker 1: is interesting. Now let's close on something fun. We're going
[1:57:24] Speaker 1: to tie this back to high strangeness. We talked about
[1:57:28] Speaker 1: the UFOs, possibilities of non-human intelligences, non-physical intelligences. What about
[1:57:35] Speaker 1: the physical monsters that have been witnessed? Creatures that are
[1:57:41] Speaker 1: very seemingly physical, like Bigfoot, like Dogman, like werewolves, possibly Mothman,
[1:57:48] Speaker 1: these swamp beings that are being witnessed.
[1:57:51] Speaker 2: The Rakes.
[1:57:53] Speaker 1: All these cryptids that seem to be physical in some way,
[1:57:58] Speaker 1: do you believe that they are hybrid chimera beings manufactured
[1:58:03] Speaker 1: by our military industrial complex? Are they interdimensional coming through portals, physical?
[1:58:09] Speaker 2: Have you had.
[1:58:10] Speaker 1: any experiences with these?
[1:58:13] Speaker 5: I have not had any experience with them. Sometimes I
[1:58:16] Speaker 5: think I want to, and other times I'm like, you
[1:58:18] Speaker 5: know what, I come good. So I live in New Jersey.
[1:58:21] Speaker 5: We have the Pine Barrens here, and it's like a
[1:58:24] Speaker 5: third of the state is just wilderness. But there's major
[1:58:27] Speaker 5: roads going up through there. So there are a couple
[1:58:30] Speaker 5: of guys here who would do Bigfoot hunting in the
[1:58:32] Speaker 5: Pine Barrens, and there's a large military base 10 miles
[1:58:35] Speaker 5: from me. I find it very hard to believe that
[1:58:39] Speaker 5: this 8-foot, 10-foot creature lives in the woods, physical being,
[1:58:45] Speaker 5: lives in the woods, and you don't find many traces
[1:58:48] Speaker 5: of it. Now, I went up to the Finger Lakes
[1:58:52] Speaker 5: last year for a little vacation, and you start hitting
[1:58:55] Speaker 5: northeast Pennsylvania, you start hitting upstate New York, man, it
[1:58:58] Speaker 5: is just mountains and wilderness. Could something be in there
[1:59:02] Speaker 5: that we haven't found? 100%. Is it Bigfoot? Again, this
[1:59:07] Speaker 5: eight to 10 foot creature, if it's physical, I find
[1:59:11] Speaker 5: some of that hard. Now, can it float in and
[1:59:14] Speaker 5: out of physicalness to non-physical? I think that'd be a
[1:59:18] Speaker 5: better explanation for it. I was going to bring it
[1:59:20] Speaker 5: up earlier with UFOs. I think the one thing with
[1:59:22] Speaker 5: these hearings, I think it opens the floodgates for all
[1:59:26] Speaker 5: of this stuff to start getting acknowledged. That once they
[1:59:28] Speaker 5: start with this, they're like, oh, we recovered. So David
[1:59:31] Speaker 5: Grush is like, oh, we recovered the pilots. Nobody asked, well,
[1:59:35] Speaker 5: what were the pilots? Were they greys? Were they cryptids?
[1:59:38] Speaker 5: Were they mantises? Were they the tall Nordics? Who was
[1:59:44] Speaker 5: a Bigfoot? But is Bigfoot from one of these planets?
[1:59:49] Speaker 5: Is Bigfoot the Now, he.
[1:59:51] Speaker 1: Called it non-human biologics. You know the possibilities that that
[1:59:55] Speaker 1: could be? That could be manufactured by our military if
[1:59:59] Speaker 1: it's just a non-human biologic, but that is very vague
[2:00:02] Speaker 1: what he said.
[2:00:04] Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. But with him saying it's the non-human crafts.
[2:00:09] Speaker 5: So with that, that would take it away that if
[2:00:12] Speaker 5: what he's saying and if he believes, that would take
[2:00:14] Speaker 5: it away that we built an AI robot or whatever
[2:00:17] Speaker 5: it is. But hey, it could still be. I do
[2:00:19] Speaker 5: think this opens the floodgates. As they were going through
[2:00:21] Speaker 5: these hearings, a lot of the things that have been
[2:00:24] Speaker 5: popular in our community were being reiterated, were being tied
[2:00:28] Speaker 5: back to. Yeah, I think it's fascinating. I think there's definitely.
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: Could it be that we have such deep, dark, black projects,
[2:00:40] Speaker 1: unacknowledged projects, that the left hand has no idea what
[2:00:45] Speaker 1: the right hand is doing, and these hearings... are investigating
[2:00:50] Speaker 1: something that we've been working with for a very long time.
[2:00:54] Speaker 1: And I'll just give you a little example very quickly
[2:00:57] Speaker 1: because I've talked about this before in the 90s. There
[2:01:00] Speaker 1: was a story written about, have you read the Camellia
[2:01:03] Speaker 1: story by Robert Guffey?
[2:01:06] Speaker 3: No.
[2:01:06] Speaker 2: This is a very interesting book.
[2:01:07] Speaker 1: It's called Camellia, and it's just about a heroin addict, really,
[2:01:12] Speaker 1: that was being harassed and having illegal surveillance done on
[2:01:16] Speaker 1: them by three certain three-letter agencies is very convoluted story
[2:01:21] Speaker 1: they claim that he stole some very high-powered military goggles
[2:01:24] Speaker 1: that were capable of all kinds of stuff he denied
[2:01:26] Speaker 1: it they started gang stalking him they started just by
[2:01:30] Speaker 1: following him around and it evolved to them using very
[2:01:35] Speaker 1: high tech technology very advanced technology that wasn't that's was
[2:01:43] Speaker 1: nowhere supposed to be available like cloaking and technology they
[2:01:47] Speaker 1: would send people in his house in this cloaking technology
[2:01:49] Speaker 1: so they'd be invisible to make him think that his
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: house was haunted they'd simulate abductions they'd send drones over
[2:01:58] Speaker 1: that would be able to mimic ufos and again this
[2:02:00] Speaker 1: is the early 90s we weren't supposed to have any
[2:02:02] Speaker 1: of this types of stuff and the government was using
[2:02:05] Speaker 1: this to harass and surveil this one dude but The
[2:02:09] Speaker 1: author Robert Guffey believes it's probably that he was some
[2:02:12] Speaker 1: sort of test subject to eventually roll out some of
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: this stuff. But who better to test it on than
[2:02:19] Speaker 1: a junkie heroin addict that no one would believe anyway?
[2:02:22] Speaker 2: So it's a very interesting story.
[2:02:24] Speaker 1: I've got Guffey coming on in about a week or
[2:02:27] Speaker 1: so to further discuss that.
[2:02:28] Speaker 2: I can't wait for that.
[2:02:29] Speaker 1: But those possibilities are very concerning to me that this
[2:02:34] Speaker 1: has been around for that long. What does that mean
[2:02:37] Speaker 1: they're rolling out and have already been rolling out?
[2:02:42] Speaker 4: Right.
[2:02:42] Speaker 5: Could something have escaped that they were working on and
[2:02:44] Speaker 5: then proceed to hybrid even more?
[2:02:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:02:48] Speaker 5: I don't see that being too far-fetched. It's crazy. I
[2:02:54] Speaker 5: go all over the spectrum on this. Sam Tripoli hosts
[2:02:57] Speaker 5: a tinfoil hat podcast. He'll say he has a black
[2:02:59] Speaker 5: belt in conspiracies. And, you know, he can talk to
[2:03:02] Speaker 5: anybody from like Normie and all the way up that
[2:03:04] Speaker 5: you want to start getting into, you know, like Pindar
[2:03:06] Speaker 5: or whatever. I kind of feel like the same thing,
[2:03:09] Speaker 5: but some of these things, you know, like talk about
[2:03:11] Speaker 5: in public or even some of the people who say
[2:03:13] Speaker 5: they like UFOs don't start going down this deep, deep,
[2:03:15] Speaker 5: deep rabbit hole. I see how far they go and
[2:03:18] Speaker 5: I can usually keep up. But these hybrids that they're,
[2:03:24] Speaker 5: they're making, they're, they're making pig human hybrids and you'll
[2:03:27] Speaker 5: see all these things like coming out of China and,
[2:03:30] Speaker 5: they've talked about, or they're growing human ears on a
[2:03:33] Speaker 5: pig for transplants. This stuff, you can't control it once
[2:03:38] Speaker 5: you start. I think that's part of the problem. You know,
[2:03:41] Speaker 5: and even if they're throwing dead fetuses away of these things,
[2:03:46] Speaker 5: you don't know what it's going to do out in
[2:03:47] Speaker 5: the wild once it's there. You know, I'm very interested
[2:03:51] Speaker 5: in listening to your interview you have coming up with
[2:03:52] Speaker 5: that guy. That's a shame if they're psychologically torturing him
[2:03:56] Speaker 5: like that, but that's par for the course.
[2:03:57] Speaker 2: Well, it's not him.
[2:03:58] Speaker 1: He's just the author that's writing about the other gentleman,
[2:04:02] Speaker 1: but yeah, I can't wait to hear that either. We're
[2:04:06] Speaker 1: living in such interesting times, and there's so many layers involved.
[2:04:10] Speaker 1: of reality that is being put forward from forces that
[2:04:17] Speaker 1: we have no idea if they have the best interests
[2:04:20] Speaker 1: of humanity in mind. It certainly doesn't seem like it,
[2:04:23] Speaker 1: although I get different arguments that some say that they're
[2:04:28] Speaker 1: trying to depopulate the planet and kill us all and
[2:04:30] Speaker 1: control us with social credit system and technocratic nightmare, but
[2:04:35] Speaker 1: some believe that it's a forced evolution that they're trying
[2:04:39] Speaker 1: to weed out the useless eaters and evolve those of
[2:04:44] Speaker 1: us who are more inclined to become spiritually advanced, which
[2:04:52] Speaker 1: either one of those, I think, is the wrong way
[2:04:55] Speaker 1: to approach any type of natural experience in this reality.
[2:05:01] Speaker 1: But both are considerations, and there are tons of considerations
[2:05:05] Speaker 1: between that. There's tons of gray area between that. I
[2:05:09] Speaker 1: love to consider. And the considerations are endless and the
[2:05:12] Speaker 1: possibilities are endless. And that's why we do this show.
[2:05:15] Speaker 1: That's why you do your show. So we're living in
[2:05:18] Speaker 1: very amazing times. And Brian, thank you so much for
[2:05:22] Speaker 1: coming on. Before you go, let the audience know once
[2:05:26] Speaker 1: more where they can find all your content and if
[2:05:29] Speaker 1: you got anything interesting coming up.
[2:05:32] Speaker 5: Hey, I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me on. Again,
[2:05:34] Speaker 5: I'm at Wild, Weird, and Sometimes Normal Podcast. I'm on
[2:05:37] Speaker 5: all the major streaming platforms. Just got YouTube up and
[2:05:40] Speaker 5: running with that. You can find me on Facebook, on Twitter,
[2:05:45] Speaker 5: on Instagram, all at Wild and Weird handle. Coming up,
[2:05:50] Speaker 5: I have... Do I have anything interesting?
[2:05:53] Speaker 1: You know what?
[2:05:53] Speaker 5: I do have a couple of guys that are interesting.
[2:05:55] Speaker 5: I do have... I have one funny one coming up.
[2:05:58] Speaker 5: So I was on this thread for... this podcast or
[2:06:03] Speaker 5: thread or whatever. I was like, Oh, does anybody have
[2:06:05] Speaker 5: interview based guests? You know, we'll try to connect you
[2:06:08] Speaker 5: with somebody. It's like, Oh yeah, I have an interview
[2:06:09] Speaker 5: based guest. You know, Hey, here's my email. Shoot me somebody.
[2:06:13] Speaker 5: So this guy, his handle was ghost heads, UK. I
[2:06:18] Speaker 5: was like, Hey man, that's all like a sneaker head.
[2:06:19] Speaker 5: Like you're a ghost head. Like, Hey, I'm in, I'm in. So,
[2:06:21] Speaker 5: you know, we go through like, Hey, what's up? This interview,
[2:06:23] Speaker 5: he's going to come on in August. He's in the UK.
[2:06:25] Speaker 5: So I might wake up like 6am to talk to
[2:06:27] Speaker 5: him at lunchtime. And, I start digging through his profile.
[2:06:31] Speaker 5: Do you have any idea what Ghost Heads, do you
[2:06:34] Speaker 5: know what he's interested in?
[2:06:36] Speaker 2: Couldn't tell you, man.
[2:06:37] Speaker 5: Ghostbusters, man. Ghostbusters. So I'm going to talk to some
[2:06:40] Speaker 5: dudes for an hour. We're going to try to get
[2:06:42] Speaker 5: to the underbelly of some Ghostbusters stuff here. That'll be
[2:06:45] Speaker 5: like the only pure fiction one I've ever, you know,
[2:06:48] Speaker 5: completely done for that. But yeah, maybe he's interested in
[2:06:51] Speaker 5: the backstory of Gozer the Destroyer and what he really
[2:06:54] Speaker 5: stands for against some Sumerian gods.
[2:06:57] Speaker 4: Right on.
[2:06:58] Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone else, I try to keep my schedule to
[2:07:00] Speaker 5: only about two or three weeks out. I don't want
[2:07:02] Speaker 5: to be rude to the guest that their episode's not airing.
[2:07:05] Speaker 5: So I have some good people in the mix. I
[2:07:07] Speaker 5: have some good people who are committed, and I've only
[2:07:10] Speaker 5: got one or two in the bag. So we'll see
[2:07:11] Speaker 5: what's coming up.
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