# Brandon Thomas | Aliens Within! Microcosmic Abductions, Parasitic Intelligences, Freaky ET Sex

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 27 Aug 2026, 1 h 04 min.

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## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
[0:04] Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
[0:08] Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
[0:10] Speaker 1: weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm
[0:14] Speaker 1: your host, Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Brandon Thomas.
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[0:43] Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Brandon Thomas.
[0:46] Speaker 1: He is co-host of Mysterious Universe and founder of Redigital Publishing. Brandon,
[0:51] Speaker 1: welcome back. How are you doing?
[0:54] Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Thank you. Good to see you.
[0:56] Speaker 1: It's great to see you again. One of the most
[0:58] Speaker 1: frequent returning champions on FKN. You are now co-hosting the
[1:03] Speaker 1: prestigious Mysterious Universe with our dear brother Joe Hodgdon, which
[1:08] Speaker 1: my wife and I are thoroughly enjoying, by the way.
[1:11] Speaker 1: And in true synchronistic form, your show and my show
[1:14] Speaker 1: has been swimming in the strange same UFO alien abduction
[1:19] Speaker 1: waters recently. Not planned at all. I usually space out
[1:24] Speaker 1: my alien shows a bit, pun intended.
[1:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, nice.
[1:29] Speaker 1: This is a topic you and I have delved into
[1:31] Speaker 1: many times before as well. I know my perspectives bob
[1:35] Speaker 1: and weave as it relates to all the alien stuff.
[1:39] Speaker 1: And I'm interested in hearing where you've been going with everything. First,
[1:43] Speaker 1: remind the audience how they can get all of your
[1:46] Speaker 1: sexy content.
[1:47] Speaker 2: First, I'm going to remind everybody about that sexy shirt
[1:51] Speaker 2: you're wearing. And that folks should pick one of those up.
[1:53] Speaker 2: And I just didn't wear mine today. That's it. I
[1:55] Speaker 2: just wore a collared set. But... mysteriousuniverse.org you guys go
[1:59] Speaker 2: check it out get on plus plus is where it's
[2:01] Speaker 2: at because this is so cool that you're dovetailing with
[2:04] Speaker 2: us as well joe and i do this we don't
[2:05] Speaker 2: tell each other what we're going to present ahead of
[2:07] Speaker 2: time and we have been doing this yin yang swimming
[2:11] Speaker 2: amongst feng shui kind of amazing synchromystic type deal as
[2:15] Speaker 2: well so of course buddy you're in lockstep with us
[2:18] Speaker 2: so it makes sense that you're going to be pulling
[2:20] Speaker 2: on the same time stuff too it's like a frequency
[2:22] Speaker 2: that goes out it's sort of like i mean a
[2:25] Speaker 2: zodiac sign right it goes around you get this glimpse
[2:28] Speaker 2: of this vision and this feeling for a little bit
[2:30] Speaker 2: and then it moves on to something else and you
[2:32] Speaker 2: kind of get really fixated on something or focused on
[2:35] Speaker 2: something like how I healthily like to put it and
[2:38] Speaker 2: yeah we go through these really interesting cycles with this
[2:41] Speaker 2: stuff which our last show that we just tracked it'll
[2:43] Speaker 2: be out tomorrow is on cycles which are fascinating so
[2:47] Speaker 2: yeah time and cycles and stuff like.
[2:49] Speaker 1: That excellent man and how has the mysterious universe been
[2:53] Speaker 1: going lately how's the gig.
[2:56] Speaker 2: So great, dude. So many new Plus members. So thank
[2:58] Speaker 2: you guys all for signing up. Guys, seriously, go join Plus.
[3:00] Speaker 2: Get the max so that you can get all the
[3:02] Speaker 2: back catalog that the boys have done for over 20
[3:04] Speaker 2: years now, including our almost year run now. It's just
[3:08] Speaker 2: been incredible. So Plus is definitely where it's at. It's,
[3:10] Speaker 2: like I said, a continuous thread. So the folks that
[3:12] Speaker 2: are doing the Friday free bit are only getting one
[3:14] Speaker 2: third of what we're really doing. And everything sort of
[3:17] Speaker 2: ties together. You probably heard the visitors from within Saga
[3:20] Speaker 2: that we did late June into early July.
[3:24] Speaker 1: I haven't heard that one yet.
[3:26] Speaker 2: Oh, dude, that was a six-parter. So it's so funny
[3:28] Speaker 2: you say this, because I thought that that's what you'd
[3:30] Speaker 2: listen to, and that's what you were referring to about
[3:32] Speaker 2: the abductions and alien sex stuff, because that's what it
[3:34] Speaker 2: was all about. It was crazy.
[3:36] Speaker 1: I saw it. I didn't get to listen to it yet,
[3:38] Speaker 1: but I saw it.
[3:40] Speaker 2: Well, spoiler alert, kind of. It's about the abduction phenomena
[3:43] Speaker 2: from the alien's perspective. So there's a channel, Lisa Thoreau,
[3:47] Speaker 2: one of the co-authors of the work, she channels several
[3:50] Speaker 2: different entities, and one of them is a Zeta Reticuli...
[3:53] Speaker 2: named Harone, which we have a lot of fun with.
[3:55] Speaker 2: And he channels at least three different episodes worth of
[3:57] Speaker 2: content for us about what happened to them, why they
[4:00] Speaker 2: are the way that they are, and what their views
[4:03] Speaker 2: on sex and sexuality are, and then their view of
[4:06] Speaker 2: the abduction phenomena from their perspective. And we wrap it
[4:09] Speaker 2: all up in the very last episode in that series
[4:11] Speaker 2: on a different entity altogether got nothing to do with
[4:14] Speaker 2: the Zeta Reticuli. And this dude tells you how to
[4:17] Speaker 2: stop the abduction experience full stop in the middle of it.
[4:20] Speaker 2: If you want it to stop. And then they also
[4:22] Speaker 2: tell you the reason that it occurs. It's actually for
[4:25] Speaker 2: our benefit. It's fear getting us over our fears through
[4:28] Speaker 2: exposure therapy. But we're teaching them stuff as well. And
[4:32] Speaker 2: then if you go this scaled out Swedenborg idea like
[4:35] Speaker 2: Joe and I have been on, then we sort of
[4:38] Speaker 2: relate the grays and ETs is the gray specifically is
[4:42] Speaker 2: brain cells. And if you look at this from a
[4:45] Speaker 2: cellular cosmology type of an idea, this sort of as above,
[4:48] Speaker 2: so below, we're a microscopic part of a much larger
[4:51] Speaker 2: entity that probably shares our architecture in a bit. And
[4:55] Speaker 2: if you look at it that way, then these little
[4:57] Speaker 2: creatures are part of that same God body. They're just
[5:00] Speaker 2: in a different part of it, raised differently, born to
[5:03] Speaker 2: serve a completely separate function, born to think, be an
[5:07] Speaker 2: act and exist completely different than you. And Joe and
[5:10] Speaker 2: I have a lot of fun speculating on what part
[5:11] Speaker 2: of the body we are. Um, The way that the
[5:15] Speaker 2: work put it was that they're interfacing with us from
[5:17] Speaker 2: a strictly mental perspective, which was why it was easy
[5:20] Speaker 2: for us to kind of, you know, the gray is
[5:21] Speaker 2: gray matter. It was easy for us to make that leap.
[5:24] Speaker 2: But with us, it's all feelings and emotion and all
[5:27] Speaker 2: of that. And so we sort of feel that we're
[5:30] Speaker 2: probably the heart cells to some degree and that they're
[5:33] Speaker 2: sort of the brain cells. And our job is to
[5:35] Speaker 2: sort of get the head and the heart together and
[5:37] Speaker 2: to get them into feeling mode so that they can act.
[5:43] Speaker 2: More accordingly. Instead of this strictly clinical, non-emotional way, we're
[5:48] Speaker 2: teaching them about emotions, and then they're also teaching us
[5:50] Speaker 2: about our fears through the abduction experience.
[5:53] Speaker 1: See, that's an extremely deep possibility, which I would like
[5:59] Speaker 1: to explore a bit, but I get so frustrated with
[6:02] Speaker 1: the entire alien experience, contact experience, UFO abductions. One day
[6:10] Speaker 1: I'll have this brilliant guest claims to channel these beings
[6:14] Speaker 1: and he'll give a totally different understanding of someone else
[6:19] Speaker 1: who had abduction experiences and was taken by supposedly the
[6:23] Speaker 1: same beings. And then you have so many people that
[6:27] Speaker 1: are having these experiences astrally and they claim that it's
[6:30] Speaker 1: an out-of-body experience. Then I have Preston Dennett on the
[6:34] Speaker 1: other day who's recounting all these incredible encounters where people
[6:37] Speaker 1: were just driving one day and the next thing they
[6:40] Speaker 1: know they're on a ship and it seems to be
[6:42] Speaker 1: a very physical experience. Yesterday I had a retired army
[6:48] Speaker 1: colonel on that believes there's alien bodies in possession of
[6:54] Speaker 1: our military industrial complex. So the possibilities are endless. As
[7:01] Speaker 1: of now, I just have more questions and answers about everything.
[7:05] Speaker 1: As far as the people that claim these physical experiences,
[7:11] Speaker 1: there always seems to be something that happens that could
[7:16] Speaker 1: be a trigger to shift in consciousness to where they
[7:20] Speaker 1: may be in a hypnagogic state. Preston was telling me
[7:24] Speaker 1: a couple of experiences. A gentleman... was told he would
[7:29] Speaker 1: be meeting extraterrestrials. He woke up from a nap just
[7:36] Speaker 1: right there. That's tied closely to being in a hypnagogic state.
[7:40] Speaker 1: But he swears he was awake. He's on a aircraft carrier.
[7:45] Speaker 1: He's in the military. He's in the Air Force. And
[7:47] Speaker 1: he goes to the top deck of the aircraft carrier
[7:50] Speaker 1: and he sees this massive UFO. Nobody else around him
[7:54] Speaker 1: sees it. They're oblivious to everything. They don't even notice him.
[7:58] Speaker 1: And the next thing you know, he's having this crazy
[8:01] Speaker 1: experience on a craft, but he wakes up in his
[8:04] Speaker 1: bed after the whole experience is over. That is a
[8:09] Speaker 1: key indicator for me that it's most likely not anything
[8:15] Speaker 1: really physical happening here. But then again, you have the
[8:19] Speaker 1: possibility of alien bodies, crash retrievals, all the other information
[8:23] Speaker 1: that quote-unquote whistleblowers and experiences have given i don't know man.
[8:29] Speaker 2: Like you way more questions and answers bubba the story
[8:32] Speaker 2: that you just told we retold on the store uh
[8:36] Speaker 2: retold on the show a while back and it was
[8:38] Speaker 2: yes this amazing craft that was diamond and glistening and
[8:40] Speaker 2: then he found himself on board and there was that
[8:42] Speaker 2: was the 15 foot tall mantises right Yes.
[8:46] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
[8:47] Speaker 2: So, yeah, there were these huge frigging mantis beings on there.
[8:49] Speaker 2: And then he didn't even remember this until 30 years later.
[8:51] Speaker 2: He saw on TV as zooming nature of a mantis.
[8:55] Speaker 2: And that triggered this entire memory. Crazy. So, yeah. What
[8:58] Speaker 2: is this? So, again, and with you channels, all of
[9:02] Speaker 2: these kind of things, I think the greatest thing that
[9:04] Speaker 2: we can offer with any of that stuff is how
[9:06] Speaker 2: we interface with the information. Just like, you know, you
[9:10] Speaker 2: do this so well. Don't take it on. But consider.
[9:13] Speaker 2: And the thing that I got most about the visitors
[9:16] Speaker 2: from Within Saga, highly recommend, guys. If you sign up,
[9:18] Speaker 2: just listen to that and bounce, fine. Just check it
[9:20] Speaker 2: out because only two of the episodes are on the
[9:22] Speaker 2: free Fridays. What I got most out of that was
[9:26] Speaker 2: is it is, like you said, non-physical and physical. There
[9:29] Speaker 2: are three different types, allegedly, of just this one specific
[9:32] Speaker 2: Zeta Reticuli being. Now, there's infinite numbers of these beings
[9:35] Speaker 2: as well. If we look back at the work of
[9:38] Speaker 2: From the Mundane to the Magnificent, she was talking about
[9:40] Speaker 2: scale to a degree that just lit me up, man.
[9:42] Speaker 2: And this, you know me, you've heard me. We've taken
[9:45] Speaker 2: mushrooms together. I've ranted about scale with you, buddy. And
[9:48] Speaker 2: it's been this thing like, oh, my God, what if
[9:50] Speaker 2: the aliens are just shrinking really fast? And there's this
[9:53] Speaker 2: entire cosmos just right on the tip of your finger
[9:56] Speaker 2: that you don't know about, you know, because they exist
[9:58] Speaker 2: in there and they are part of your function. but
[10:00] Speaker 2: can scale out, come interact with you and come back.
[10:03] Speaker 2: This could explain the large insects that we talk about
[10:06] Speaker 2: because scale, I think, has a lot to do with this. Now,
[10:09] Speaker 2: if we're talking about things to that degree, one of
[10:11] Speaker 2: the things I found most fascinating about scale is that
[10:15] Speaker 2: if you just look at your single body alone, because really,
[10:17] Speaker 2: I mean, the ultimate goal here if we're boiling it down,
[10:20] Speaker 2: everything external to you so that you can know yourself better.
[10:23] Speaker 2: So you know yourself, right? Solomon's temple, the whole idea
[10:27] Speaker 2: of your body is your temple. This vessel is all
[10:29] Speaker 2: you've got. God is you and you are in you
[10:33] Speaker 2: shrunk down because it's all as above, so below. So again,
[10:35] Speaker 2: this idea that if you look for far enough out
[10:38] Speaker 2: into what people call space, maybe you just see the
[10:41] Speaker 2: back of your head looking through a telescope, looking out
[10:44] Speaker 2: at what people call space. So again, this could be
[10:46] Speaker 2: this huge you, And in you now, there are many
[10:50] Speaker 2: different organs and systems and creatures and you're walking chemistry.
[10:56] Speaker 2: And all of that takes different characters playing these different roles. Well,
[11:00] Speaker 2: on microscopic levels, there are solar systems and there are
[11:03] Speaker 2: entire universes and worlds with creatures and entities. So again,
[11:07] Speaker 2: what if we are able to, in a dream state maybe,
[11:11] Speaker 2: tap into different universes within us? You astral travel to
[11:15] Speaker 2: other parts of you and that's what space is. It's
[11:17] Speaker 2: this inner thing. there could be like nowhere else and
[11:21] Speaker 2: it could be all scale again, infinitely here. There's more
[11:24] Speaker 2: geography than we know what to do with at this scale.
[11:26] Speaker 2: If we shrink it just a little bit, you get
[11:28] Speaker 2: a little slightly imperceivable. You've got infinite universes beyond that.
[11:33] Speaker 2: So again, if we're looking at it from this degree,
[11:35] Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily need to be considered at how tall
[11:38] Speaker 2: we are. They come from over there and they are
[11:40] Speaker 2: also at the size that we are, all of those
[11:42] Speaker 2: kinds of things. So when we start considering that kind
[11:44] Speaker 2: of stuff, Again, these hypnagogic states are fascinating as well
[11:48] Speaker 2: because all of those little entities, creatures, the trillions of
[11:50] Speaker 2: little things making you up have thoughts, goals, dreams, desires.
[11:56] Speaker 2: They get scarcity-mindsetted if they don't have enough resources.
[11:59] Speaker 1: So aliens as microorganisms essentially, right? Could it also be
[12:05] Speaker 1: at the macro scale, higher intelligences above us reaching down
[12:11] Speaker 1: to communicate, right?
[12:13] Speaker 2: To that degree, you would be a cell then within
[12:15] Speaker 2: another God's body that can do the same thing, meditate
[12:17] Speaker 2: in astral to himself. And maybe that's what all these
[12:20] Speaker 2: things are. If you look at concepts like angels, these
[12:22] Speaker 2: things can appear out of nowhere, flash out. Those are
[12:26] Speaker 2: electrical impulses. Those are like your nerves.
[12:28] Speaker 1: So we would be something as a part of their body.
[12:32] Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And they would be a functioning part of
[12:35] Speaker 2: an entire ecosystem that we are also a part of.
[12:38] Speaker 2: So those lightning quick things that come in, these wheels
[12:40] Speaker 2: within wheels, they just sound like molecules coming through that
[12:43] Speaker 2: have information that are telling us something from the Godhead itself.
[12:47] Speaker 2: Because if you think about it, what's the thing? How
[12:49] Speaker 2: are you going to talk to God? Well, it's the
[12:51] Speaker 2: same ideas. God feels the same way in this model
[12:55] Speaker 2: as if it was trying to talk to a cell
[12:57] Speaker 2: on its left small pinky toe. Like, how are you
[13:00] Speaker 2: going to do that? There's one cell in there that
[13:02] Speaker 2: really needs your help. It writes you letters. It prays
[13:04] Speaker 2: to you. They build churches and all that kind of
[13:06] Speaker 2: stuff down there. How are you going to get down
[13:07] Speaker 2: there and talk to it? How do you even know
[13:09] Speaker 2: it exists? Through these astral travel type of things, allegedly,
[13:13] Speaker 2: all of this is connected. All of these entities, if
[13:16] Speaker 2: they can, will do this sort of travel. And what's
[13:19] Speaker 2: fascinating about this, again, is that they're completely separate entities
[13:23] Speaker 2: that don't have physical forms whatsoever that never incarnate into
[13:26] Speaker 2: a body. So that's where they exist. That's where you've
[13:29] Speaker 2: got to go to find them. That's why a lot
[13:30] Speaker 2: of abductions, folks say that that felt like a dream
[13:33] Speaker 2: or that they floated through the wall or something. They
[13:35] Speaker 2: probably did. What I found also very fascinating about the
[13:38] Speaker 2: work was that the entities claim that we are only
[13:41] Speaker 2: operating on a sliver of our conscious existence, that really
[13:44] Speaker 2: there's a subconscious, a super conscious to us that has desires, motives,
[13:49] Speaker 2: feels things and wants things at a whole level with
[13:51] Speaker 2: a larger percentage of us than we put out to
[13:54] Speaker 2: the public. So these folks who are having abduction experiences
[13:57] Speaker 2: are having the exact experience they want on the deep levels,
[14:00] Speaker 2: the ones that they themselves can't even face, which is
[14:03] Speaker 2: why they're occurring in the first place. So they can
[14:05] Speaker 2: face that part of themselves to bring it to the
[14:08] Speaker 2: surface to face it.
[14:09] Speaker 1: Incredible. If we are in our normal waking reality. Most likely,
[14:18] Speaker 1: we won't ever come into contact with any of these
[14:21] Speaker 1: kinds of beings. We have to be in an altered
[14:25] Speaker 1: kind of state, and that would make sense why mass
[14:28] Speaker 1: sightings and group experiences, group abductions, aren't normally a thing.
[14:34] Speaker 1: I may have heard of just a couple, but even
[14:36] Speaker 1: in those instances, the experiences are quite different for each person,
[14:41] Speaker 1: and they'll relay different beings and different things that they're
[14:46] Speaker 1: seeing throughout the experience.
[14:48] Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, absolutely. Fatima is a, one of those rare
[14:51] Speaker 2: examples and who knows, you know, maybe the realm just
[14:53] Speaker 2: does this. Maybe they all got, or got poisoning, you know,
[14:55] Speaker 2: with the wheat and that absolutely happens. Allegedly that's what
[14:58] Speaker 2: happened in Salem. And that's why everybody kind of lost
[15:00] Speaker 2: their shit, but just their wheat went bad. They went
[15:02] Speaker 2: moldy and they all were tripping balls. Allegedly this is
[15:05] Speaker 2: also what happened with the Mayan. All their paint was
[15:08] Speaker 2: Merck had mercury in it. And so all the water
[15:11] Speaker 2: then had mercury and lead in the paint and, From
[15:14] Speaker 2: the paint in the water therefore everybody was trippin on
[15:17] Speaker 2: these Mercury overdoses. Yeah, that's why they were doing human
[15:22] Speaker 2: sacrifices Allegedly, so who knows what the state of any
[15:25] Speaker 2: of these? beings are these folks watching this thing, but
[15:29] Speaker 2: I agree with you the number one thing that is
[15:32] Speaker 2: most consistent is the subjectivity of any of these Experiences
[15:35] Speaker 2: that based on the individual even when a couple of
[15:37] Speaker 2: people are there that do have something incredible happen to
[15:39] Speaker 2: them They'll explain it in different ways angel, demon, alien, whatever.
[15:44] Speaker 2: But it's still very, very personal to them, which leans
[15:46] Speaker 2: more into the idea that this is a chosen experience
[15:49] Speaker 2: by your deep subconscious for you to face things that
[15:52] Speaker 2: you haven't because you've been watching the Real Housewives of
[15:55] Speaker 2: whatever and you're rooting for a football team or something.
[15:59] Speaker 2: You're drinking beer or whatever. You're doing that shit instead.
[16:01] Speaker 2: And so, yes, these are the folks that get scooped up,
[16:03] Speaker 2: I think. I haven't been scooped up. Chris, have you?
[16:06] Speaker 1: Not that I can remember consciously.
[16:08] Speaker 2: Fair enough. What we hear a lot, though, is normal people. Man,
[16:12] Speaker 2: I was just a normal, I wouldn't end this at all.
[16:14] Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, chairs started stacking themselves,
[16:16] Speaker 2: and now I've written 12 books, and I've changed my life,
[16:19] Speaker 2: and I divorced that person I was with, or whatever.
[16:21] Speaker 2: They just make these huge changes.
[16:23] Speaker 1: Well, this also happens with psychedelic experiences, but people also
[16:28] Speaker 1: come into contact with different beings, with mantis beings, with
[16:31] Speaker 1: gray extraterrestrials during profound contact experiences. So another indicator... That
[16:37] Speaker 1: that is connected to an altered state of consciousness and
[16:41] Speaker 1: giving us access to these intelligences.
[16:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And who's to say that the thing you're
[16:47] Speaker 2: contacting isn't the astral projection form of some mantis being
[16:51] Speaker 2: that's in China? And he does call it reticuli because
[16:53] Speaker 2: he didn't fucking know. Maybe. Because if you think about this,
[16:58] Speaker 2: anything here has an electric field. It's got a biofield. Therefore,
[17:01] Speaker 2: it's got polarity. Therefore, it's got consciousness. Everything interacts with
[17:06] Speaker 2: everything around it. due to relativism, especially nature, especially biological things.
[17:13] Speaker 2: So if you're doing this dance, this symphony, which is
[17:16] Speaker 2: also all around us, our environment is doing this all
[17:19] Speaker 2: the time. Nature is constantly in flow. We talk about
[17:21] Speaker 2: this on the show tomorrow. You've got the sun, the moon,
[17:24] Speaker 2: these perfect clock above us, these stars, all of these
[17:27] Speaker 2: things giving us a rhythm to this place. And we
[17:30] Speaker 2: all dance and this is huge symphony. But within that,
[17:34] Speaker 2: there seems to be a desire for folks to experience really,
[17:37] Speaker 2: really cool shit because the extremes are here. And if
[17:39] Speaker 2: you're not taking psychedelics, let's say, for instance, or if
[17:42] Speaker 2: you're not doing the work, as they call it, you're
[17:45] Speaker 2: not willing to look within, you're, what do they call it,
[17:48] Speaker 2: distracting yourself constantly, you're scrolling, you're fucked up all the time, whatever,
[17:52] Speaker 2: then yeah, you're going to be faced with some interesting things.
[17:55] Speaker 2: A lot of folks find it in the 3D and
[17:56] Speaker 2: the Matrix, but some folks will find it in the Bigfoot,
[17:59] Speaker 2: in the Woo, in the Poltergeist. And it'll change them, man.
[18:02] Speaker 2: It's big redirects. Near-death experiences from overdoses are huge.
[18:07] Speaker 1: Near-death experience is another aspect where people will come into
[18:10] Speaker 1: contact with the others, with the other intelligences. Very similar
[18:16] Speaker 1: at times. Sometimes they even come into contact with aliens.
[18:20] Speaker 1: I've heard a few near-death experiences where people have claimed
[18:23] Speaker 1: to speak with aliens for their life review. But I
[18:27] Speaker 1: want to get to the really freaky, freaky stuff that
[18:32] Speaker 1: occurs during alien abductions or contact experiences, such as alien sex.
[18:39] Speaker 1: One of my favorite guests ever, Ronnie Dawson, he told
[18:43] Speaker 1: the wildest abduction story I've ever heard. Have you heard
[18:47] Speaker 1: this one?
[18:48] Speaker 2: I'm not. Ronnie Dawson.
[18:50] Speaker 1: Yeah. Look him up. He's an experiencer from Texas. He's
[18:55] Speaker 1: just your good old boy. He was a truck driver.
[18:57] Speaker 1: He claims he had never been interested in any of
[19:02] Speaker 1: this stuff. And he starts to have experiences after he
[19:06] Speaker 1: has a UFO sighting, you know, your classic series of events.
[19:11] Speaker 1: But then he has these beings breaking into his home.
[19:14] Speaker 1: messing with him while he's sleeping. He's seeing little people
[19:17] Speaker 1: run around his house. He sees the great aliens in
[19:20] Speaker 1: the fields around his house. He sees UFOs all the time.
[19:25] Speaker 1: One night he wakes up, wakes up, and there is
[19:29] Speaker 1: a naked tiger hybrid woman sitting there next to him.
[19:35] Speaker 1: And she's got a friend with her, this blue-skinned hybrid animal.
[19:41] Speaker 1: I'm not sure what kind of animal it was. I
[19:44] Speaker 1: don't really remember, but she was, they were both naked
[19:47] Speaker 1: and they were both trying to seduce him they wanted
[19:51] Speaker 1: to get a little bit of his man magic they
[19:55] Speaker 1: wanted to put it in this what he described as
[19:58] Speaker 1: this technological looking tube but they claimed the only way
[20:03] Speaker 1: they could get it out of him is to actually
[20:06] Speaker 1: have sex with him And then they would extract man
[20:11] Speaker 1: milk after the experience through whatever device they had. They
[20:18] Speaker 1: would watch him have intercourse with his wife. They had
[20:23] Speaker 1: been watching him for a while to understand the best
[20:26] Speaker 1: way to do it with him.
[20:28] Speaker 2: Yep, they did that.
[20:31] Speaker 1: He said that they also said this was for the
[20:35] Speaker 1: betterment of their species so they could learn more and
[20:38] Speaker 1: they could heal their DNA. This is another common theme
[20:41] Speaker 1: that we hear with alien abduction experiences. And the only
[20:45] Speaker 1: way was by getting his spunk and applying it to
[20:51] Speaker 1: whatever medical technologies and experiments they had on their planet.
[20:56] Speaker 1: So he said, for the sake of your planet, I
[20:59] Speaker 1: guess I'm going to do this. And proceeds to make sweet,
[21:04] Speaker 1: sweet love to the tiger alien lady while the blue
[21:07] Speaker 1: lady observes everything. The deed is done. The sample is collected.
[21:13] Speaker 1: And he wakes up in his bed. So the sex
[21:17] Speaker 1: theme is very common. Another one Preston Dennett was telling
[21:21] Speaker 1: me about was his experience with He was taken on
[21:25] Speaker 1: a craft. He claims he just woke up in the
[21:28] Speaker 1: middle of the night, taken on a craft, taken through walls.
[21:32] Speaker 1: Another common thread there. He is all of a sudden
[21:36] Speaker 1: on an exam table, and this tall, beautiful, gray, human
[21:42] Speaker 1: hybrid woman approaches him. Psychic communication. She tries to get
[21:47] Speaker 1: him to sit down. He keeps trying to get up. Eventually, he.
[21:51] Speaker 1: Finds this different area of the craft. He wants to
[21:54] Speaker 1: go exploring. He said he's very excited about this experience.
[21:57] Speaker 1: He's not scared at all. So he finds this one
[22:00] Speaker 1: area of the craft where he claims there are many
[22:05] Speaker 1: humans in hypnagogic states or hypnotized states and they're having
[22:11] Speaker 1: sex with each other. Oof. That raises all kinds of
[22:16] Speaker 1: red flags and other questions about what could possibly be
[22:19] Speaker 1: going on there. The other is the alien hybrid aspect,
[22:23] Speaker 1: people taken to see their supposed children. All seems a
[22:29] Speaker 1: bit invasive, but they seem to be very interested in
[22:34] Speaker 1: what we got going on down there.
[22:38] Speaker 2: And how. Everything you just talked about is absolutely accurate
[22:41] Speaker 2: and absolutely fascinating. Again, from the perspective I've got now, Chris,
[22:45] Speaker 2: after doing that segment with the visitors from within thing,
[22:48] Speaker 2: it What I hear when I hear alien abduction accounts
[22:53] Speaker 2: now through a certain lens, this is not my, oh,
[22:55] Speaker 2: that's what's going on because you know me. We don't
[22:57] Speaker 2: do that. But what I now consider is that it
[22:59] Speaker 2: was all made up by them and they chose that.
[23:02] Speaker 2: If you go back to even J. Allen Hynek when
[23:05] Speaker 2: he formed Sufos and you had Jacques Vallée talking about
[23:09] Speaker 2: that it's a psychosemantic phenomena. Terrence McKenna talks about this
[23:12] Speaker 2: as well, that the blend over between psychedelics and these
[23:14] Speaker 2: entities is not. The only separation is in the definition.
[23:18] Speaker 2: That's it. The idea here, then, is that those folks
[23:22] Speaker 2: chose that. That dude crafted this amazing sex story between
[23:26] Speaker 2: these two things because that's a fantasy he has. He
[23:28] Speaker 2: would like to be sexually subjected in that way because
[23:32] Speaker 2: he's got healing to do on a worthiness level, which
[23:34] Speaker 2: is fascinating. So you put yourself in this vulnerability thing,
[23:37] Speaker 2: and then you have that. Also, you know, a dude
[23:40] Speaker 2: wants to just bang a tiger chick on a blue chick.
[23:42] Speaker 2: That's fine. But what I hear whenever I hear those
[23:44] Speaker 2: stories now, again, so now I'm thinking... Preston, love you, man.
[23:47] Speaker 2: Shout out. D-Train Dennett wants to go run a train
[23:49] Speaker 2: on that room. It does call into question many, many questions.
[23:54] Speaker 2: If this is strictly for, and maybe the orgy is
[23:56] Speaker 2: part of it. I feel you could probably learn a
[23:58] Speaker 2: lot from an orgy. How then it ties into the
[24:02] Speaker 2: sort of genetics of it all. Let's say that in 1980, whatever,
[24:08] Speaker 2: your parents got picked up or a bunch of people
[24:11] Speaker 2: around your parents' age got picked up. They all banged
[24:13] Speaker 2: on a ship. And then they all got dropped off
[24:15] Speaker 2: with no memory of it. Well, are you your dad's son?
[24:18] Speaker 2: How are the genetics tracked? Is it really just this
[24:22] Speaker 2: from this? Put in that. Let's see what that goes.
[24:24] Speaker 2: And they'll raise it like it's their own. It is there. Like,
[24:28] Speaker 2: what is this for? What's the purpose of it? Most
[24:31] Speaker 2: of it seems behavioral. Most of it seems like, again,
[24:33] Speaker 2: like it's it's a place in people's mind that they
[24:36] Speaker 2: do remember having an experience that they chose. They felt
[24:39] Speaker 2: helpless in it. But that's also part of the decision.
[24:42] Speaker 2: It's people.
[24:43] Speaker 1: Okay.
[24:44] Speaker 2: I don't judge, okay? And we don't kink shame. But
[24:46] Speaker 2: there are people out there who have rape fantasies. Have
[24:49] Speaker 2: you heard about this? Like they fantasize about being brutally,
[24:52] Speaker 2: brutally raped, like beaten and raped. But for it to
[24:56] Speaker 2: work out and for them to have a partner, they
[24:58] Speaker 2: have to be completely surprised by it and forget that
[25:02] Speaker 2: they decided to do this and agreed for someone to
[25:06] Speaker 2: come surprise them with this event that they have been really, really,
[25:09] Speaker 2: really looking forward to. Now, it's probably going to be
[25:11] Speaker 2: something very private that they don't share with anybody else,
[25:13] Speaker 2: like the abduction experiences. It's going to be something very
[25:16] Speaker 2: sexual because that's where your vulnerability is. It's going to
[25:19] Speaker 2: be something that they don't necessarily consider part of their identity,
[25:23] Speaker 2: but it's absolutely in there. Again, from reading from the work,
[25:26] Speaker 2: and we know this, man, just talk to somebody. You're
[25:28] Speaker 2: getting a very surface level of that human in front
[25:32] Speaker 2: of you if that's what you're talking to. When you
[25:34] Speaker 2: get deeper and you spend time with folks is when
[25:36] Speaker 2: you get to know folks. These quick interactions online, the
[25:39] Speaker 2: quick things that happened, you don't really get into depth
[25:42] Speaker 2: of somebody. So people just think that everyone's a certain way,
[25:45] Speaker 2: but we're not, dude. We've all got real deep shit,
[25:49] Speaker 2: like real deep shit. And a lot of this is
[25:51] Speaker 2: played out in these dramas of the mind and the
[25:53] Speaker 2: dreams and the induction experience. Physical things that happen in
[25:57] Speaker 2: this reality seem to be chosen at a deep level
[26:00] Speaker 2: and then forgotten so that the experience can be had.
[26:02] Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of the The freaking manifestation
[26:08] Speaker 2: like Rhonda Byrne, The Secret, crystals and spirituality of it.
[26:11] Speaker 2: But that seems to be the way. It doesn't have
[26:14] Speaker 2: to be gay, but that seems to be basically what's
[26:17] Speaker 2: going on is that you choose these experiences, all of it.
[26:20] Speaker 2: You train people how to treat you. You train your
[26:21] Speaker 2: subconscious how to treat you and what match it is
[26:26] Speaker 2: for what beings. Another thing in the work is they
[26:28] Speaker 2: said they can't even pick people up if they aren't
[26:30] Speaker 2: a vibrational match for them, if they haven't chosen it.
[26:32] Speaker 2: So you have to choose this. You have to be
[26:34] Speaker 2: put on a list. You choose this or they can't
[26:37] Speaker 2: find you at all. They don't even see you're invisible
[26:39] Speaker 2: to them. You're on a different spectrum, which is why
[26:41] Speaker 2: you and I don't have these experiences. Again, we we
[26:43] Speaker 2: claim consciously could unconsciously or forget. But this is why
[26:48] Speaker 2: we don't interact in that way. We've chosen just not to.
[26:50] Speaker 2: We don't need to. We're going to handle our own business.
[26:52] Speaker 2: We're going to get deep into our own souls in
[26:53] Speaker 2: deeper ways. We don't need to have the experience in
[26:55] Speaker 2: that way. But what is interesting is when you get
[26:57] Speaker 2: into changing the abduction experience, the last episode in the series,
[27:01] Speaker 2: it It can be whatever you want. They come at
[27:03] Speaker 2: you at a level, but you have always the right,
[27:06] Speaker 2: and in anything in life, to have what's called an ovation,
[27:09] Speaker 2: which means an adjustment or an amendment to a contract.
[27:12] Speaker 2: You get to decide how it interacts. So if you
[27:14] Speaker 2: do want to have those experiences, you get to see
[27:16] Speaker 2: how they play out, which could be what Dolly Saffron
[27:19] Speaker 2: has chosen. Her experience, Preston Denton's partner, that book he wrote, Synergy,
[27:23] Speaker 2: it's outstanding. We're going to cover it pretty soon on
[27:25] Speaker 2: the show, but in that, she gets picked up all
[27:27] Speaker 2: the time. She's learned how to fly the thing. It's
[27:29] Speaker 2: very cool. She could watches experiments happen on people and
[27:33] Speaker 2: chooses the way that she interacts with them. And again,
[27:35] Speaker 2: in the work, the guy said, well, have you ever
[27:37] Speaker 2: asked an alien to hop on the table and look
[27:40] Speaker 2: at him under the microscope? Have you ever asked him?
[27:42] Speaker 2: Because he would. He would love to do that with you. Again,
[27:44] Speaker 2: but you've got to take control of the situation with constitution.
[27:48] Speaker 2: It's all the people scared that are actually getting exactly
[27:50] Speaker 2: what they want. It's a rape fantasy.
[27:53] Speaker 1: Could it be possible that to some degree these intelligences
[27:59] Speaker 1: could go Maybe have their own ideas of what they
[28:06] Speaker 1: want to do, what they want to create, what their
[28:09] Speaker 1: existence is going to be. And maybe they hijack a
[28:13] Speaker 1: little bit of our consciousness, do a little sexy, sexy time,
[28:17] Speaker 1: and it creates something else, a new kind of being
[28:22] Speaker 1: or intelligence that then could take on a life of
[28:26] Speaker 1: its own.
[28:28] Speaker 2: A hundred percent. And you can do this physically like
[28:29] Speaker 2: you were talking about. What's his name? Has a great,
[28:34] Speaker 2: Bud Hopkins has a great book, Intruders. It just, it'll
[28:37] Speaker 2: keep you up at night, honestly. Kathy Davis in that
[28:39] Speaker 2: story is greeted with a child that's hers and it
[28:42] Speaker 2: looks disgusting. And what would she's told is hers from
[28:45] Speaker 2: this elaborate breeding program that goes on the entire time.
[28:47] Speaker 2: It's really crazy. And a bunch of great sex stories
[28:50] Speaker 2: in there about guys that they'll pick up. They milk
[28:52] Speaker 2: in the same fashion, the same elaborate, but she's, sexy
[28:56] Speaker 2: hybrid aliens on them with weird tits because they don't
[28:58] Speaker 2: know what tits are supposed to so they're kind of
[28:59] Speaker 2: weird but they know that we like them so they
[29:01] Speaker 2: throw them on these things and they milk this guy
[29:03] Speaker 2: and then they get pissed off because they find out
[29:05] Speaker 2: in two seconds that he had a vasectomy there are
[29:07] Speaker 2: like several stories like that and they get pissed and
[29:09] Speaker 2: they drop him off on the top of a car
[29:10] Speaker 2: and they drop his pants on top of a roof
[29:12] Speaker 2: of something else and it's it's these kind of things
[29:15] Speaker 2: as well it's like what was that chosen by the
[29:17] Speaker 2: guy but the the sex ones are the most interesting
[29:20] Speaker 2: for me man because deep down We've got a lot
[29:22] Speaker 2: of probably sexual shit to work out individually and as
[29:25] Speaker 2: a society. I mean, I think that it's very unhealthy
[29:27] Speaker 2: the way that we interface with it most times for
[29:30] Speaker 2: most folks. And then it's played out in many different scenarios, darkly.
[29:35] Speaker 2: And if you're not able to express this on any level,
[29:37] Speaker 2: then it is going to continue in the shadows. And
[29:39] Speaker 2: that's when shit gets out. dark that's when people get
[29:40] Speaker 2: hurt and that's all the the gross you gotta be
[29:43] Speaker 2: able to embrace and i'm not talking about walking around
[29:45] Speaker 2: with your dick in your hand but that's in my
[29:47] Speaker 2: mind now with these people who share their sexy abduction
[29:50] Speaker 2: stories are telling us they're telling us subconsciously i'd like
[29:53] Speaker 2: to bang aliens i'd like to have this vulnerability to
[29:55] Speaker 2: where I'm not in control and that's hot for me.
[29:58] Speaker 2: It's sort of a kink. They're sharing a kink with us.
[30:01] Speaker 2: It's now a lens that I view this through. Either
[30:04] Speaker 2: way though, Chris, we know that it makes an impact
[30:06] Speaker 2: on folks. It changes and it redirects and that's what's important.
[30:09] Speaker 2: I think the sexual element too, it's energetic. You know,
[30:12] Speaker 2: it's got to be. And so you don't necessarily need
[30:14] Speaker 2: a dude to, you know, he could be shooting blanks
[30:17] Speaker 2: and still give you what you want if it's an
[30:19] Speaker 2: energetic exchange that you're looking for. Because again, allegedly from them,
[30:23] Speaker 2: they're just learning how to human. They're They don't know.
[30:26] Speaker 2: They'll ask silly questions to folks. There's a story that
[30:29] Speaker 2: a guy, he got picked up. They were asking him
[30:31] Speaker 2: all these things. They were like, oh, can we take
[30:33] Speaker 2: your eye out and look at it? And he goes, no.
[30:35] Speaker 2: And they go, okay. And then moved on. But like
[30:38] Speaker 2: you said, everyone's got their own fucking agenda, man. You
[30:42] Speaker 2: walk up to anybody on the street. Somebody tries to
[30:44] Speaker 2: bamboozle you out of something. You've got to be... You've
[30:48] Speaker 2: got to have your wits about you. Kindness is an
[30:50] Speaker 2: additional thing that you can offer as well. But you've
[30:53] Speaker 2: got to know how to navigate this realm. Of course
[30:55] Speaker 2: your mental space is going to be like that. That's
[30:58] Speaker 2: your worst enemy, man. That's where all the scary things
[31:00] Speaker 2: are that you lock away, that you don't face in
[31:02] Speaker 2: reality yet. Or until they abduct you in the middle
[31:05] Speaker 2: of the night and milk you. But it is elaborate.
[31:07] Speaker 2: It is wild, dude. It really is.
[31:10] Speaker 1: So it could be that if you're a person that
[31:14] Speaker 1: has a ton of... emotional baggage, trauma, issues that you've
[31:20] Speaker 1: never worked out, most likely something is going to creep
[31:25] Speaker 1: along and you are, you're going to have some crazy
[31:27] Speaker 1: experience with an extraterrestrial, a demon, a Bigfoot, or maybe
[31:34] Speaker 1: even some kind of near death experience that will bring
[31:37] Speaker 1: you to have those interactions with the others. These people,
[31:43] Speaker 1: intelligences that are essentially part of our micro and macro
[31:47] Speaker 1: everything system. But because we never addressed it, they're going
[31:52] Speaker 1: to make themselves known to us. I look at my experience.
[31:56] Speaker 1: It was almost like that. I had gone many years
[31:59] Speaker 1: with not addressing my emotions, the mental issues, the trauma,
[32:04] Speaker 1: and through a quick meditation experience, something else made itself
[32:09] Speaker 1: known and caused a series of very profound events. I
[32:13] Speaker 1: then went into the psychedelic realms and voluntarily explored that
[32:19] Speaker 1: a bit myself. So I didn't have to have those
[32:22] Speaker 1: really freaky, freaky experiences. But it does fit together with
[32:27] Speaker 1: people who grow up with a lot of childhood trauma.
[32:30] Speaker 1: They end up having, many times, paranormal or extraterrestrial experiences.
[32:36] Speaker 1: I can see those connections.
[32:38] Speaker 2: And they have guitars in the back of their studios too.
[32:40] Speaker 2: So a lot of them are musicians bands. a lot
[32:43] Speaker 2: of folks are tapped into this creative, imaginative, and because
[32:46] Speaker 2: this is where they live. Most of them live in
[32:48] Speaker 2: the imagination. And the physical bodies that we find are
[32:51] Speaker 2: sort of these hybrid adaptations that really, they're attempting to
[32:56] Speaker 2: integrate into a physical reality, allegedly, again, from this one perspective.
[32:59] Speaker 2: That's just really interesting. But if we consider that, then
[33:02] Speaker 2: it kind of gives a little more grace to it.
[33:03] Speaker 2: It says, okay, look, I get that you're, it's like
[33:06] Speaker 2: getting a new puppy, okay? That puppy doesn't know Don't
[33:09] Speaker 2: poop on the floor. Don't do this. Don't do that.
[33:12] Speaker 2: You've got to guide it and show it and train
[33:14] Speaker 2: it with love. And certain reactions out of you are
[33:17] Speaker 2: going to train that dog and lead it down a
[33:20] Speaker 2: certain life. If you're reactionary to the thing and you're
[33:23] Speaker 2: horrible to it, then you're probably going to create a
[33:25] Speaker 2: certain type of entity that then, if can astral travel,
[33:28] Speaker 2: if advances to another being and body, plays that role
[33:32] Speaker 2: in the polarity game here. It's attracting to those folks
[33:35] Speaker 2: who need that experience to have another one, a grander one,
[33:38] Speaker 2: a greater one. They're attracted to the folks that resonate
[33:41] Speaker 2: with them so that they can feel some sort of kinship.
[33:43] Speaker 2: You have evil fucking people running around here, man. It's
[33:46] Speaker 2: not like there's some sheriff running around going, okay, gang,
[33:49] Speaker 2: make sure you guys are all playing good together. No,
[33:50] Speaker 2: it's all about polarity. So it's what attracts what. So
[33:54] Speaker 2: if there's a shitload of folks who are into really
[33:56] Speaker 2: what some consider evil things that get together, they do
[34:00] Speaker 2: a bunch of evil shit. And if there's people who
[34:02] Speaker 2: are more peaceful who consider that stuff evil get-together, They
[34:05] Speaker 2: don't do that stuff, and they are considered then an
[34:08] Speaker 2: opposition for the people to not run rampant and do
[34:10] Speaker 2: horrible shit. But for the second party to exist, they
[34:14] Speaker 2: must acknowledge and come together and get over them fucking selves.
[34:17] Speaker 2: It's not handed to us. This idea that somebody's going
[34:20] Speaker 2: to come save you, it's not going to happen. What's
[34:22] Speaker 2: happening is somebody's coming in and fucking with your mind
[34:24] Speaker 2: so that you will save yourself. This is the whole
[34:26] Speaker 2: point here. You've got to know yourself. No alien is
[34:29] Speaker 2: going to come in, laser beam the president, and then
[34:31] Speaker 2: you're going to just get to run around and do
[34:32] Speaker 2: what you want. not the case you guys either start
[34:34] Speaker 2: making guillotines and do it yourself or decide better make
[34:38] Speaker 2: better decisions or these aliens are going to keep doing
[34:40] Speaker 2: the shit that the realm is only ramping up i
[34:43] Speaker 2: know you've seen this too you and i even in
[34:45] Speaker 2: the state of we've been doing well we're we're doing
[34:48] Speaker 2: well we feel it because we feel other people and
[34:51] Speaker 2: we feel what y'all are experiencing and what y'all are
[34:53] Speaker 2: experiencing is a big shake-up it's a big okay now
[34:56] Speaker 2: it's time you know we've Again, the real house was
[34:59] Speaker 2: whatever we're done. We're done with all that bullshit. Well,
[35:01] Speaker 2: movies suck ass now. They're not entertaining because they're not
[35:03] Speaker 2: supposed to be. That time's over. The time to move
[35:06] Speaker 2: forward is now. I think the aliens play a huge
[35:08] Speaker 2: role in this. I really do. And I do feel, again,
[35:12] Speaker 2: very psychosomatic. I don't think it's about the thing. I
[35:14] Speaker 2: think it's about how the thing affects those individuals, which
[35:16] Speaker 2: is why it's so subjective and why there's no real,
[35:20] Speaker 2: no two alike. Just like in the cases are similar.
[35:22] Speaker 2: They kind of, you know, it's the school. They kind
[35:24] Speaker 2: of go through this thing. Same thing. Abduction. They go
[35:26] Speaker 2: through this thing. Some are milk, some are not. But
[35:28] Speaker 2: if you notice that those cases didn't start coming about.
[35:32] Speaker 2: I mean, what's funny is the very first abduction case
[35:36] Speaker 2: that that's noted as that Andreas Villas Boas in Brazil
[35:41] Speaker 2: in 1957, dude, dude got picked up by a weird
[35:43] Speaker 2: chick milked. They filled the room with gas, actually. So
[35:48] Speaker 2: he gets pulled on the craft. You know this, but
[35:49] Speaker 2: for the audience, it doesn't. He gets pulled on the craft.
[35:51] Speaker 2: He's gassed or some gas enters the room. All of
[35:53] Speaker 2: a sudden, he's super horny. This weird little alien hybrid
[35:57] Speaker 2: chick walks in not quite human not quite something else
[36:00] Speaker 2: walks in he tags this thing twice and then goes
[36:03] Speaker 2: after it a third time and she's like resisting it
[36:06] Speaker 2: she's looking at the window with the two-way mirror going
[36:08] Speaker 2: dude we have to do this again so whatever made
[36:11] Speaker 2: him super horny or again this was his desire and
[36:14] Speaker 2: they have a cuck desire too because they want people
[36:17] Speaker 2: to watch look look how good i'm doing look look
[36:20] Speaker 2: how i can bang this thing you know that's why
[36:21] Speaker 2: a couple of other folks are there anal probes are
[36:23] Speaker 2: an interesting one Books like Butt Stuff. I mean, you
[36:25] Speaker 2: should just say that, dude.
[36:27] Speaker 1: Well, going back to the rogue entities, I know we
[36:30] Speaker 1: discussed the parasite-demon connection before. This is also another connecting
[36:37] Speaker 1: factor that maybe there are some unhealthy invaders. within that
[36:44] Speaker 1: reflect in very spiritual ways and have effects on our
[36:50] Speaker 1: lives in very detrimental ways on our health and all
[36:54] Speaker 1: kinds of stuff, but it also reflects as nasty emotional
[37:00] Speaker 1: and mental experiences.
[37:02] Speaker 2: Dude, completely. And if we scale this again, God body
[37:05] Speaker 2: type style, where your body has trillions of cells in it,
[37:08] Speaker 2: they all have motives, ideas. They all think something about you.
[37:12] Speaker 2: They all hope that they're doing well. They fight. When
[37:14] Speaker 2: you don't eat enough, they all fight, and they kill
[37:16] Speaker 2: each other for resources. That's what these things do. That's
[37:19] Speaker 2: what we do. We're noting a difference, which is why
[37:22] Speaker 2: this is so fucking fascinating. And, of course, there'd be
[37:25] Speaker 2: rogue cells that come in. Maybe the god body that
[37:28] Speaker 2: we're in is a parasite, has parasites in it, and
[37:31] Speaker 2: we're attempting to do our best to help fight that off.
[37:34] Speaker 2: And that's what we're here to do, Chris. And maybe
[37:36] Speaker 2: that's our job. And somebody wrote in, a Plus member, Bailey,
[37:39] Speaker 2: shout out. She wrote in and said maybe we're androgynous
[37:43] Speaker 2: DMT cells and running around through the body and kind
[37:46] Speaker 2: of healing God or maybe God's dying and we are
[37:49] Speaker 2: the DMT cells and forming the rest of the body
[37:51] Speaker 2: every time we incarnate. We're the ones that show up
[37:54] Speaker 2: and go, okay, guys, well, show's over. God's dying. Each
[37:57] Speaker 2: cell is dying as it goes. You know, this takes
[37:58] Speaker 2: a long time, trillions of them. So, you know, just
[38:02] Speaker 2: write it down. Have a good time. Don't freak out.
[38:04] Speaker 2: And we're the don't panic of the realm. You know,
[38:06] Speaker 2: maybe that's it. We kind of come in, know it's over.
[38:09] Speaker 2: Load everybody through, play some songs, have fun, leave.
[38:12] Speaker 1: Speaking of psychedelics, have we talked about the phenomena of
[38:16] Speaker 1: being kicked out of the DMT realm by these beings?
[38:22] Speaker 2: Joe brought it up, and I thought it was funny because, yeah,
[38:24] Speaker 2: it sounds like we haven't, though, Chris. So tell me
[38:26] Speaker 2: what you think about it.
[38:27] Speaker 1: From the DMT-X experiments that they're doing, the extended IV
[38:33] Speaker 1: DMT drips that people are being put into DMT, DMT
[38:38] Speaker 1: state into these realms and they're having experiences they're trying
[38:43] Speaker 1: to map the realms see what kind of beings are
[38:47] Speaker 1: there see if that people are having any similar experiences
[38:52] Speaker 1: there's been a few reports that mantid beings or some
[38:56] Speaker 1: other DMT extraterrestrial being will approach them and and relay
[39:03] Speaker 1: that they're not supposed to be there. They're not supposed
[39:05] Speaker 1: to be doing it like this. And one way or another,
[39:08] Speaker 1: they get zipped back into reality. And not only are
[39:12] Speaker 1: they back in waking reality, they no longer feel the
[39:18] Speaker 1: effects of DMT and they can't sometimes permanently, sometimes it's
[39:23] Speaker 1: temporary and they're eventually allowed back in. But that's a
[39:28] Speaker 1: fascinating aspect that there's some kind of guardianship there.
[39:33] Speaker 2: I think there should be man I think there fucking
[39:35] Speaker 2: should be buddy you know because any old asshole can
[39:38] Speaker 2: get time travel that's not a good thing I think
[39:39] Speaker 2: it should be hard I think folks should have to
[39:41] Speaker 2: work for it and I think there should be sort
[39:42] Speaker 2: of some morality test based on somebody else I'm not
[39:45] Speaker 2: a good judge of that but whatever that is this
[39:49] Speaker 2: is nuts The DMT, have you, you've DMT'd, yeah?
[39:53] Speaker 1: I have, yes. Okay.
[39:54] Speaker 2: Did you get through? Did you break through?
[39:56] Speaker 1: I never broke through, no, sir.
[39:57] Speaker 2: Dean, I had heard this many times when I, I've,
[40:00] Speaker 2: one time. And I heard this many times when I
[40:02] Speaker 2: went in, oh, I couldn't break through, I couldn't break through.
[40:04] Speaker 2: And so my goal was, because I heard if you
[40:06] Speaker 2: can get three hits before you, before your eyes close out,
[40:08] Speaker 2: you're good to go. My goal was to get four.
[40:11] Speaker 2: So I sit there, I hit, hit, hit, hit. I
[40:13] Speaker 2: get to my fourth, my hand starts freaking melting and
[40:15] Speaker 2: turning into Play-Doh and all that shit. And spark. And
[40:18] Speaker 2: so I decided to take a fifth hit. I take
[40:19] Speaker 2: this fifth hit. The spark lit up like a huge torch.
[40:22] Speaker 2: I could take this thing. And then now I'm in.
[40:25] Speaker 2: And halfway through it, I go. Something came to me.
[40:27] Speaker 2: You know, it's this whole ride. I won't go through it.
[40:29] Speaker 2: But something came to me and all these grandmothers. And
[40:31] Speaker 2: they said, hey, we'd like you to go deeper. Would
[40:33] Speaker 2: you like to go deeper? I said, sure. So I
[40:35] Speaker 2: say this out loud and someone brings me the pipe.
[40:36] Speaker 2: But I get three more times. I blasted through immediately, dude.
[40:40] Speaker 2: It wasn't. I didn't experience the waiting and the gold chimney.
[40:43] Speaker 2: It was there, but I went right through it and
[40:46] Speaker 2: blasted off. There were dudes with swords, and it was
[40:50] Speaker 2: thousands of entities there. It was like Toontown. It was
[40:52] Speaker 2: fucking nuts. But what I felt in there was I
[40:56] Speaker 2: had reached some sort of milestone in myself, and then
[40:58] Speaker 2: everybody was greeting me, and they were happy that I
[41:00] Speaker 2: decided to do that, and that there was a strong
[41:04] Speaker 2: chance that I wouldn't have. But once I made it there,
[41:06] Speaker 2: everybody was greeting me. Have you seen freaking Who Framed
[41:09] Speaker 2: Roger Rabbit?
[41:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
[41:11] Speaker 2: You know, when he pulls into Toontown and everything, singing
[41:13] Speaker 2: and dancing, coming up to him and shit. It was that, dude.
[41:15] Speaker 2: But it was like gestures and all kinds of stuff.
[41:18] Speaker 2: Then again, these giant things did this thing to my
[41:20] Speaker 2: head with these swords. And it was nuts. It was
[41:22] Speaker 2: like it was preparing me for the next whatever. So
[41:25] Speaker 2: I didn't get stuck in the thing. I definitely had
[41:28] Speaker 2: an incredible experience. And I've only I felt that once
[41:30] Speaker 2: was enough, you know, because, I mean, Terrence McKenna saying
[41:32] Speaker 2: if you do it once a year, you're a heavy user.
[41:35] Speaker 2: And I just felt that that was enough for me.
[41:38] Speaker 2: But this idea of not being able to go, those
[41:40] Speaker 2: creatures then coming up to me and saying, hey, dude,
[41:42] Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be doing it like this. That's
[41:43] Speaker 2: not cool. And booting you out of it. That's nuts.
[41:46] Speaker 2: And then not being welcomed back, meaning that no matter
[41:48] Speaker 2: how much DMT you ingest, you won't reach that level again.
[41:52] Speaker 2: That's interesting, man.
[41:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[41:54] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they shouldn't be with it like that,
[41:56] Speaker 2: to be honest with you. It seems unnatural. I mean,
[41:59] Speaker 2: what do you think? sending folks in on IVs of
[42:02] Speaker 2: this shit.
[42:03] Speaker 1: Well, especially if, like you said, they haven't done their
[42:06] Speaker 1: inner work. If they're a mess internally and they haven't
[42:10] Speaker 1: lifted a finger to heal themselves in any way and
[42:14] Speaker 1: get rid of all the muck and trauma that manifests
[42:18] Speaker 1: when you're there, it'll show up in one way or another.
[42:21] Speaker 1: If a person hasn't done any of the work and
[42:23] Speaker 1: they're just taking an IV to go into DMT town,
[42:27] Speaker 1: I can imagine their experiences may not be as pleasant
[42:31] Speaker 1: as they want them to be. And you're right. I'd
[42:34] Speaker 1: want to kick them the hell out of there, too.
[42:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a hiking spot that gets too popular
[42:39] Speaker 2: and people start spray painting it and shit. Just, man,
[42:41] Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here. It used to be
[42:42] Speaker 2: really cool. Yeah. Well, good. I'm glad there's some scruples.
[42:47] Speaker 2: It's good to know that the cosmic realm isn't just
[42:49] Speaker 2: skanks and let anybody in. I like that they've raised
[42:52] Speaker 2: their standards a little bit. They deserve that.
[42:56] Speaker 1: Have trouble sometimes connecting the UFO sightings people have with
[43:02] Speaker 1: actual abduction experiences but as it relates to this particular
[43:07] Speaker 1: conversation I'm thinking that maybe the UFO sighting could be
[43:11] Speaker 1: a hypnagogic trigger of some kind that allows the person
[43:16] Speaker 1: to access that and then they have the experience.
[43:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like a trigger in a dream. So
[43:23] Speaker 2: I don't dream, Joe does. He tells me, though, about
[43:25] Speaker 2: lucid dreaming and how one of the tips is that
[43:28] Speaker 2: you walk around in this life, in this waking life,
[43:30] Speaker 2: which might actually be the dream, which is also fantastic.
[43:33] Speaker 2: And you attempt to put your finger through your hand.
[43:36] Speaker 2: Do you know this? Have you done this? No. So
[43:39] Speaker 2: it's this idea that you do this constantly. Now, when
[43:41] Speaker 2: you're in your dream state and that happens, you'll know
[43:43] Speaker 2: that you're dreaming. And you're like, oh, shit, I'm dreaming.
[43:45] Speaker 2: And so, yes, these ships, if you will, are sort
[43:48] Speaker 2: of like this marker because allegedly they don't need to
[43:50] Speaker 2: exist at all. It's a shift in reality. It's you're
[43:53] Speaker 2: just somewhere different now and travel isn't necessarily what we
[43:57] Speaker 2: think it is. Denise Stoner is one of the greatest
[44:00] Speaker 2: examples of this. She saw something outside of her window
[44:02] Speaker 2: one time after watching Casper the Friendly Ghost. She saw
[44:06] Speaker 2: Casper in a room and then saw a UFO. Then
[44:08] Speaker 2: another time she was walking down the hall to her home.
[44:12] Speaker 2: Like you would walk down in the hall and just
[44:14] Speaker 2: to go to her bedroom door. She opens her bedroom door,
[44:16] Speaker 2: and instead of it being her room, it's the inside
[44:17] Speaker 2: of a spaceship. So it doesn't necessarily need to be
[44:21] Speaker 2: this off welcome, but I do think that it's better
[44:25] Speaker 2: for the psyche, or like you said, it's a trigger.
[44:27] Speaker 2: It's like, hey, dude, this is happening, you know, because
[44:30] Speaker 2: you can see this. Yeah.
[44:32] Speaker 1: I wonder if it could be an effective indicator for
[44:38] Speaker 1: people when they're having the experience to do something, like
[44:42] Speaker 1: you said, to look at their hands to try and
[44:44] Speaker 1: look for their body. Many people who have the out
[44:48] Speaker 1: of body experiences say that they can't see their hands
[44:51] Speaker 1: or they can't see their bodies. When I was talking
[44:53] Speaker 1: to Preston Dennett, he swore that it was a physical experience.
[44:57] Speaker 1: But the first thing I asked him was, could it
[45:00] Speaker 1: have been an out of body experience? Did you see
[45:03] Speaker 1: your hands or your body? And he said, no, I
[45:06] Speaker 1: wasn't thinking about looking at all that, but I know
[45:09] Speaker 1: it was a physical experience. UFO abductees, contactees, next time
[45:13] Speaker 1: you're up there with your little gray friends or bug-eyed buddies,
[45:19] Speaker 1: try and look at your body. See if your hands
[45:21] Speaker 1: are there. That would be a good indicator if it's
[45:24] Speaker 1: a physical experience or not, I imagine.
[45:27] Speaker 2: Man, you know what would be nuts, too, is if,
[45:29] Speaker 2: let's say, he doesn't feel it's a physical experience because
[45:31] Speaker 2: he knew he left his body. But let's say what's
[45:34] Speaker 2: happening on that ship while everyone's banging is those are
[45:36] Speaker 2: just vessels. Those are just bodies that are there. And
[45:39] Speaker 2: what happens is they pull your... consciousness out because you
[45:43] Speaker 2: can't go to that. But what they will do is
[45:44] Speaker 2: drop you in the body, if you will, a vessel
[45:47] Speaker 2: that will support your consciousness to be able to move
[45:49] Speaker 2: around there. Look, you can bang in this body over here.
[45:52] Speaker 2: That's an interesting thought, man, that they will physically put
[45:55] Speaker 2: you in something else. But yeah, look down at your body.
[45:57] Speaker 2: See if it's there. Because like you said, a lot
[45:59] Speaker 2: of folks feel that they can't see that. And if
[46:01] Speaker 2: that's the case, what are you viewing through? Are you
[46:04] Speaker 2: a little ball of light? Because in this near-death experience stuff,
[46:08] Speaker 2: you hear the 360 vision. I could see all the
[46:10] Speaker 2: way around me. And you see that in abductions. Usually
[46:13] Speaker 2: it's pretty focused. It's pretty binocular vision like you have.
[46:17] Speaker 2: It's just sans body. What's that about?
[46:20] Speaker 1: Another thing that kind of muddies up the information and
[46:25] Speaker 1: people's experiences is the military abduction aspect. I know this
[46:30] Speaker 1: is most likely a real thing that happens to people.
[46:35] Speaker 1: I'm sure it has evolved over the years. I'm sure
[46:37] Speaker 1: it's not full-on camellia-style stuff. drugging and abducting people although
[46:42] Speaker 1: that may still happen one of the accounts preston gave
[46:46] Speaker 1: that was one of the only negative accounts i've ever
[46:49] Speaker 1: heard preston talk about was this gentleman who was in
[46:52] Speaker 1: the military and he was taken by his superiors one
[46:58] Speaker 1: night and drugged drugged is probably one of the key
[47:02] Speaker 1: things to know here then taken to a separate facility
[47:06] Speaker 1: where he was shown a craft And supposedly a seven
[47:10] Speaker 1: or eight foot tall reptilian being approached him. They were
[47:13] Speaker 1: told not to break rank. But why were they given
[47:16] Speaker 1: drugs before this experience? And this is another common thing
[47:20] Speaker 1: with the MKUltra MyLab people is there's usually drugs involved.
[47:27] Speaker 1: And I wonder if people's secret space program experiences, the
[47:31] Speaker 1: wild 20 and back things, could be induced experiences so
[47:37] Speaker 1: that they can perpetuate narratives or continue this experimental program
[47:43] Speaker 1: in some way.
[47:44] Speaker 2: I think what you said there about perpetuating narratives is
[47:47] Speaker 2: very important. I think Bob Lazar... There's many ways that
[47:53] Speaker 2: we could talk about Bob Lazar. I don't have a
[47:54] Speaker 2: firm opinion on it. And I think one of the
[47:56] Speaker 2: things we can consider in that story is that it
[47:59] Speaker 2: is a very elaborate movie set that was set up
[48:02] Speaker 2: that this man did walk through, that he experienced what
[48:05] Speaker 2: he experienced, but it was so elaborate that he... did
[48:08] Speaker 2: have this true experience that he couldn't lie about it.
[48:11] Speaker 2: He's passed lie detector tests, all that kind of stuff.
[48:13] Speaker 2: So perhaps, like you said, it's set up to where
[48:15] Speaker 2: they drug them. So now your mind goes in two
[48:17] Speaker 2: different ways. Well, I was drugged, so I can't really
[48:19] Speaker 2: depend on or count on anything I observed in that state.
[48:23] Speaker 2: But you can, by the way. That's just what you
[48:25] Speaker 2: tell yourself. Then another way is, well, maybe they have
[48:28] Speaker 2: to be on those altered states or in that level
[48:32] Speaker 2: to see the craft to interact with the being because
[48:34] Speaker 2: that's where they're at they're just one step off your
[48:36] Speaker 2: baseline and you need to be in that baseline to
[48:38] Speaker 2: interact with them.
[48:39] Speaker 1: Right it's like the secret space people who claim to
[48:42] Speaker 1: go on these missions off planet what if they are
[48:47] Speaker 1: being induced to go into these altered states which allows
[48:52] Speaker 1: access to something that's not necessarily fake or made up
[48:57] Speaker 1: it's just exists in a different density frequency or reality
[49:04] Speaker 1: and there are intelligences that people are interacting with and
[49:07] Speaker 1: they're having these wild experiences just not in any physical way.
[49:12] Speaker 2: 100 and if you think about the 20 and back
[49:16] Speaker 2: thing one of the big issues folks will bring up
[49:18] Speaker 2: is the time right well how can they be going
[49:20] Speaker 2: for 20 years and body hadn't aged? Well, if you
[49:23] Speaker 2: again consider scale, if you consider that where they're going
[49:26] Speaker 2: is a very microscopic thing on a blade of grass
[49:29] Speaker 2: in the back, way beyond Honey, I Shrunk the Kids,
[49:31] Speaker 2: like on the blade of grass is where this exists.
[49:33] Speaker 2: And aren't they.
[49:34] Speaker 1: Doing this with criminals right now? They have some kind
[49:37] Speaker 1: of new program where they can induce some kind of
[49:41] Speaker 1: VR or simulated experience where they believe they spent years
[49:46] Speaker 1: in prison, and when the experience is over, it only
[49:49] Speaker 1: lasted a couple of minutes. In reality, they're completely traumatized
[49:53] Speaker 1: but rehabilitated. That's something that I heard that they're either
[49:57] Speaker 1: working on or trying to implement right now.
[50:00] Speaker 2: Doesn't that make you feel like that's what this could be, though, Chris?
[50:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[50:03] Speaker 2: That we could be wearing VR headsets and this is
[50:05] Speaker 2: your prison. Really, when you get done with this, you
[50:08] Speaker 2: haven't even gotten the amount of time to take a
[50:09] Speaker 2: piss like 100 percent of the time. But if we
[50:13] Speaker 2: look at it in scale, those dudes, Tony Rodriguez and
[50:15] Speaker 2: the like, could have been their bodies could have either
[50:18] Speaker 2: been transported into something else or their bodies stayed right there.
[50:20] Speaker 2: Consciousness just seems to be what's important here, then shifted
[50:24] Speaker 2: to something at a different scale. So, again, you take
[50:26] Speaker 2: this little consciousness, which you find to be six foot
[50:29] Speaker 2: whatever at this point. heights, altitude on this plane of existence,
[50:32] Speaker 2: but really, we gotta do this on a blade of grass. Now,
[50:34] Speaker 2: we already have a body down there for you, but
[50:37] Speaker 2: we need to get you shrunk down. So what we're
[50:38] Speaker 2: gonna do is we're gonna grab this consciousness so you
[50:40] Speaker 2: can still work, operate, and do the thing. It's gonna
[50:42] Speaker 2: feel exactly the same. Five fingers, all the thing. And
[50:44] Speaker 2: this is where the scalable architecture goes, right? So this
[50:46] Speaker 2: is where it could get trippy to a simulation that
[50:49] Speaker 2: really there is only one, and all this is just
[50:50] Speaker 2: simulations of the simulation, but that's another show, Chris. But
[50:53] Speaker 2: if you think about it, that time, then, it is
[50:55] Speaker 2: time dilation. They could have been gone in 15 minutes,
[50:58] Speaker 2: but for 15 minutes at this scale, is 20 years
[51:01] Speaker 2: at that scale. And so, again, you could do this
[51:04] Speaker 2: and then you would have 20 years worth of memories
[51:06] Speaker 2: because you would have the perception of that amount of
[51:08] Speaker 2: time having passed. But it's not necessary for your body
[51:12] Speaker 2: to have aged that much. Again, it's got a lot
[51:14] Speaker 2: to do with scale, I think, maybe.
[51:16] Speaker 1: And also what we know as different planets like Mars
[51:20] Speaker 1: could be an internal cell or a molecule that people
[51:25] Speaker 1: are being scaled down to experience. Exactly.
[51:28] Speaker 2: I think that's most likely what's going on. Even all
[51:31] Speaker 2: this is probably like the inside of your eye or
[51:33] Speaker 2: God's eye and then you just get shrank down into
[51:35] Speaker 2: all the other parts of the body and maybe you
[51:38] Speaker 2: incarnate in each of them. That's why you forget every time.
[51:40] Speaker 2: Like you have a compass. We have a compass. We
[51:43] Speaker 2: have a polarity that we're drawn toward no matter what's
[51:46] Speaker 2: going on around us and you and I seem to
[51:47] Speaker 2: be on that polarity where we plow through the bullshit
[51:50] Speaker 2: and shine light in the darkness and maybe that's our
[51:52] Speaker 2: role for every piece of this God body that we're
[51:55] Speaker 2: incarnating in as we go through and clean up the
[51:56] Speaker 2: lizard-turd parasites. We could be wormwood rolling through the god body,
[52:00] Speaker 2: just murking parasites as we go.
[52:03] Speaker 1: Right, man.
[52:06] Speaker 2: It keeps getting weirder, Chris. Like you said, it's more questions. It's,
[52:08] Speaker 2: I mean, fucking, because now the sexual component, the, why
[52:11] Speaker 2: do they augment these little creatures to then be little
[52:14] Speaker 2: sex dolls? Why don't they just use the tube every time? And,
[52:17] Speaker 2: you know, we also learned that there are two different veins,
[52:19] Speaker 2: blood supplies in your penis that you don't need to
[52:21] Speaker 2: be hard to ejaculate. Did you know that?
[52:24] Speaker 1: No.
[52:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a deep dive, I'm telling you, on
[52:27] Speaker 2: this thing. The physiology of your, peculiar peninsula as well
[52:30] Speaker 2: my friend we uh we dive down into because you
[52:33] Speaker 2: know how why is that necessary because the women who
[52:36] Speaker 2: go through this experience it's horrible it's um they'll pick
[52:39] Speaker 2: them up at an early enough age to where they
[52:42] Speaker 2: won't they they haven't been sexually active yet but they
[52:44] Speaker 2: use tools small enough not to break the hymen so
[52:47] Speaker 2: they go in there do whatever they want plant the
[52:49] Speaker 2: baby and then they'll pull it out before anything's noticed
[52:51] Speaker 2: one case we talked about um on They missed the baby.
[52:56] Speaker 2: She had this immaculate conception, all right? This is how
[52:59] Speaker 2: Jesus was born, baby, right? You just get a seed
[53:01] Speaker 2: from Steve down the street dropped in you, and they
[53:03] Speaker 2: forget to pull it out before they lose track of you.
[53:06] Speaker 2: And she was on her way to bring it to term,
[53:09] Speaker 2: and it died. Oh, no, she had an abortion on
[53:12] Speaker 2: that case. But what they'll do to girls is horrible, man.
[53:15] Speaker 2: It's very clinical. There's nothing sexual about it. It's gross.
[53:18] Speaker 2: It's underage girls getting picked up secretly, messed with so
[53:22] Speaker 2: their hymens aren't pops and nobody knows that they were
[53:25] Speaker 2: there before they're sexually active or when they become sexually
[53:28] Speaker 2: active at that age they'll know that too because they're
[53:30] Speaker 2: watching all of you right and then they'll start um
[53:32] Speaker 2: picking it up and escalating it to a sexual encounter
[53:35] Speaker 2: that way and then do horrible things like the boyfriend
[53:39] Speaker 2: will think he got the girlfriend pregnant at this young
[53:41] Speaker 2: age and suicides happen and relationships are ruined and then
[53:44] Speaker 2: they just take the baby all of a sudden it's
[53:46] Speaker 2: just gone just what are your.
[53:48] Speaker 1: Thoughts about the physical manifestations like implants even if you
[53:53] Speaker 1: look at what's considered to be haunting or even possession
[53:58] Speaker 1: cases they have things like apports people spit out physical
[54:03] Speaker 1: objects nails strange things i interviewed a couple of paranormal
[54:08] Speaker 1: researchers that claimed these very solid materials would materialize in
[54:14] Speaker 1: people's houses these very solid objects would materialize like a
[54:19] Speaker 1: teacup for example that was lost from a set and
[54:23] Speaker 1: it rematerialized. They had it examined and it had a
[54:26] Speaker 1: different molecular structure than all the other teacups in the set.
[54:30] Speaker 1: Pretty interesting. What do you think is happening with the
[54:34] Speaker 1: physical manifestations associated with some.
[54:36] Speaker 2: Of this stuff? I think if you think about that
[54:40] Speaker 2: we are a cells, then this is where the multiverse
[54:43] Speaker 2: comes in as well. Because you wouldn't just be a
[54:45] Speaker 2: one DMT cell. It wouldn't be one realms worth of
[54:47] Speaker 2: DMT fuckers running through this bitch. You would have shitload
[54:50] Speaker 2: of them and they would be pretty identical they would
[54:53] Speaker 2: all be birthed the same way you were birthed with
[54:55] Speaker 2: the same conditions all of that they would have evolved
[54:58] Speaker 2: slightly differently over time but they would use cars and
[55:00] Speaker 2: airplanes and they would poop and toilets and whatever they
[55:03] Speaker 2: had come up to with to make that happen and
[55:06] Speaker 2: make it clean and sanitary that it would be very
[55:09] Speaker 2: similar but so in another realm you would have different
[55:13] Speaker 2: because this is where the infinite universe comes in right
[55:15] Speaker 2: there's an infinite version of cells in this instance, that
[55:18] Speaker 2: are born, that die, that know, that pass on their
[55:21] Speaker 2: information to the next cell that then is grown, and
[55:24] Speaker 2: then that information. So again, this could just be like
[55:26] Speaker 2: a swapping of information between all the cells so that
[55:29] Speaker 2: we're all kind of copacetic and heading in the same direction,
[55:31] Speaker 2: or at least aware of similar constructs. When it gets
[55:36] Speaker 2: down to the teacup of porting, this is where you
[55:39] Speaker 2: get to like Mandela effect kind of shit. Are we
[55:41] Speaker 2: collapsing timelines? Are we fusing our cells as mitosis going
[55:45] Speaker 2: the other way, to where we're fusing cells and now
[55:47] Speaker 2: we're in a reality to where things are pretty similar,
[55:49] Speaker 2: but we didn't have the cornucopia on the fruvalume thing,
[55:52] Speaker 2: or there's no dash between kid and cat, or there
[55:55] Speaker 2: wasn't a teacup in that one, and then that universe
[55:57] Speaker 2: went away, the teacups and all objects need to go somewhere,
[56:01] Speaker 2: so they import and split themselves between all the other cells,
[56:04] Speaker 2: and maybe in enough of them, there was a teacup
[56:06] Speaker 2: that was missing out of all those sets, so it
[56:08] Speaker 2: sort of automatically fills in the blanks. almost like a simulation.
[56:11] Speaker 2: It just supplies with what's needed at the time. But
[56:14] Speaker 2: I've heard these freaky stories about people finding identical earrings
[56:17] Speaker 2: that they've had for a long time. They lost one
[56:19] Speaker 2: and one will show up and then they'll find the
[56:20] Speaker 2: one that they lost years ago. What is that? Was
[56:23] Speaker 2: that because it was on their minds so much? Did
[56:25] Speaker 2: they create that? Did they bring one in from another universe?
[56:27] Speaker 2: So another you lost that thing? It's weird.
[56:31] Speaker 1: I think it's inevitable that our reality is really going
[56:35] Speaker 1: to become strange. Some of the new age folks were
[56:39] Speaker 1: very right We're reaching new frequencies. They use terms like
[56:44] Speaker 1: fifth dimension. I don't know what that is, but it
[56:48] Speaker 1: does seem that once we reach a certain level of
[56:52] Speaker 1: awareness of what's possible, it's going to have an exponential
[56:58] Speaker 1: effect on changes in our reality. We're going to be
[57:03] Speaker 1: able to access a lot of that hidden information that
[57:07] Speaker 1: we're discussing tonight.
[57:09] Speaker 2: Yep, folks are choosing it, and that's what we're seeing.
[57:11] Speaker 2: That's why the realm's going tits up, because we get
[57:14] Speaker 2: back to the idea of it's asking you two questions
[57:16] Speaker 2: all the time. Who are you, and are you sure?
[57:20] Speaker 2: So if you get somebody that's scooped up that's now
[57:22] Speaker 2: on this personal mission and this personal narrative from the
[57:25] Speaker 2: realm doing its job, because the realm's not broken. Nothing's
[57:27] Speaker 2: wrong here. Nothing's wrong with the lizard turds. They're motivating
[57:31] Speaker 2: us all in the ways that we need to be
[57:33] Speaker 2: motivated to make a change through to that polarity. It's
[57:36] Speaker 2: in excess. Therefore, It needs to be harmonized in the other.
[57:39] Speaker 2: That's why folks are waking up. It's pushing for a reason.
[57:42] Speaker 2: It's pushing so that we can propel that way. It's
[57:46] Speaker 2: like a buffalo jump, right? Native Americans used to run
[57:48] Speaker 2: buffalo off of a herd or off of a cliff
[57:51] Speaker 2: in herds, but you got to gather them all up
[57:53] Speaker 2: and you got to run them toward the herd so
[57:55] Speaker 2: that they can jump off of it. We are being
[57:56] Speaker 2: herded towards the leap, towards our next leap because it's scary.
[58:01] Speaker 2: It's not something that you want to do inherently, some folks.
[58:05] Speaker 2: But it's becoming way too unappealing to stay still. And
[58:10] Speaker 2: that's also the point of this realm. It's kinetic. You
[58:12] Speaker 2: will move. If you stand barefoot in the lawn for
[58:15] Speaker 2: too long, ants will make you move or you'll need
[58:17] Speaker 2: to get hungry or go take a shit or something.
[58:18] Speaker 2: You've got to move. This realm is great at that,
[58:20] Speaker 2: inspiring kinetic action. And it's going to propel us in
[58:24] Speaker 2: a direction. And if you're going that way, it's a
[58:26] Speaker 2: lot more resistance. If you're still drinking the Kool-Aid, as
[58:30] Speaker 2: it were, that's going to get a lot shittier. But
[58:32] Speaker 2: you're so committed to that that you guys are inevitably
[58:35] Speaker 2: going to split off. And it is going to be this, okay?
[58:38] Speaker 2: Because we can find, Chris, that we can do this
[58:41] Speaker 2: for a little bit, man, but we're no longer suited
[58:43] Speaker 2: for this realm. The realm's not good enough. You can
[58:45] Speaker 2: see this. And you can see also that the realm,
[58:48] Speaker 2: part of it, doesn't want us here either. So like
[58:50] Speaker 2: a body, it's going to separate these things. It's going
[58:53] Speaker 2: to go, okay, these don't play nice together. Yes, it's
[58:55] Speaker 2: producing this wonderful energy for me, which might be the
[58:58] Speaker 2: ultimate goal, and we can't rule that out either, which
[59:00] Speaker 2: means it's working perfectly. Or there is an abundance of
[59:03] Speaker 2: this type of energy that needs to be expelled from
[59:05] Speaker 2: the cell. Therefore, it's being gathered up. It's deciding which...
[59:10] Speaker 2: phase it wants to move into does it want to
[59:12] Speaker 2: be ejected out of this body because it's disharmonious or
[59:16] Speaker 2: does it want to get with the harmony program and
[59:17] Speaker 2: move to the next level where it's hella harmonious and
[59:20] Speaker 2: they can actually start plotting that stuff sans shitty resistance
[59:24] Speaker 2: so again it's like you're mopping up the realm of
[59:26] Speaker 2: Those things are being ejected from it, and then that's
[59:28] Speaker 2: this lightness and density that allows you to release this
[59:31] Speaker 2: ballast that's been uncomfortable, if you want to say that,
[59:35] Speaker 2: the parasitic element to this god body, if that's what's happening. Bizarre, man.
[59:39] Speaker 1: What a wild, exciting ride through the woo-woo waters today, buddy.
[59:44] Speaker 1: That was great, man. Before we close out, remind everyone,
[59:49] Speaker 1: if you got anything exciting upcoming, how to get a
[59:52] Speaker 1: hold of all your sexy content, redigital publishing, all that
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[59:56] Speaker 2: I don't have Eric's book up here. Uh, girls in
[59:59] Speaker 2: the demons deal. You've had him on. He's great. Audiobook
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[1:00:04] Speaker 1: Yeah.
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[1:00:10] Speaker 2: Josh Cutch.
[1:00:11] Speaker 1: No, I haven't. He's coming on in a couple of weeks.
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: So tell him I said, hi, we talked the other day.
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[1:00:20] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: The basement. This is a live thing. Josh was on there.
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[1:00:52] Speaker 1: Everything else is in the round. Hell yeah, man. I
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