# Eve Thunder Howard | Indigenous Prophecy & Sasquatch Teachings, Ant People & Unseen Others

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 22 Aug 2026, 1 h 12 min.

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[1:32] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host, Chris Matthew.
[1:35] Speaker 1: Today my guest is Eve Thunder Howard. Check out our
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[2:01] Speaker 1: want to welcome back to the show, Eve Thunder Howard.
[2:04] Speaker 1: She is an intuitive practitioner and host of the Prime
[2:07] Speaker 1: to Classified podcast. She is also an enrolled member of
[2:12] Speaker 1: the White Earth Band of Ojibwi, and her work is
[2:15] Speaker 1: deeply informed by her connection to indigenous spiritual traditions alongside
[2:20] Speaker 1: her training in shamanic healing. Eve Welcome back. How you
[2:25] Speaker 1: doing kid?
[2:26] Speaker 2: Chris? I am so happy to be back. I've just
[2:29] Speaker 2: been thinking about this all week and wanting to sit
[2:33] Speaker 2: down and wanting to pick up our conversation where we
[2:36] Speaker 2: were before.
[2:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a great discussion. Last time you were on,
[2:40] Speaker 1: you shared the seven Fires prophecy, and today we'll get
[2:44] Speaker 1: deeper insights into this prophecy, as well as other indigenous
[2:48] Speaker 1: teachings including sasquatch UFOs, extraterrestrials, and some of the healing
[2:53] Speaker 1: modalities that you're working with. Looking forward to getting into this.
[2:57] Speaker 1: Before we do, remind the audience a little bit about
[3:00] Speaker 1: yourself and let them know how they can get more.
[3:04] Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm Eve thunder Howard. I am the owner
[3:09] Speaker 2: of a business called thunder Rock Lodge. It's based in
[3:13] Speaker 2: West Fargo and together I also have like a little
[3:16] Speaker 2: media added on to that, and I've been doing a podcast,
[3:21] Speaker 2: Prime to Classified podcast for three years. We just celebrated
[3:24] Speaker 2: our third year. Yeah. This all stemmed from a dream
[3:30] Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen where I woke up and I was like,
[3:34] Speaker 2: one tribe. What's one tribe? But it was, you know,
[3:39] Speaker 2: the beginning of an awakening for me. And I really
[3:43] Speaker 2: feel like there's a lot of people that are going
[3:45] Speaker 2: through this awakening right now. And so I've added to
[3:50] Speaker 2: the website Indigenous Mentorships to be able to help people
[3:55] Speaker 2: reconnect because we need to reconnect back to you know, source,
[4:00] Speaker 2: to nature, to ourselves most especially, and a lot of
[4:03] Speaker 2: people are just disconnected due to our emf field which
[4:09] Speaker 2: kind of extends about three feet out. So you know,
[4:12] Speaker 2: we we need that reconnection. And this is a dream
[4:17] Speaker 2: in the making for me and definitely and you know,
[4:22] Speaker 2: ancestor led and a lot of guides in my family
[4:26] Speaker 2: behind me. One.
[4:28] Speaker 1: So last time, like I said, we dove a little
[4:31] Speaker 1: bit into the Seven Fires prophecy. Maybe we could start
[4:35] Speaker 1: with a little bit of a reminder of what this is.
[4:39] Speaker 2: Right, So the Seventh Fires prophecy is Nichanabe teaching, and
[4:45] Speaker 2: nisanabe is what my people call ourselves world Jibwe, but
[4:50] Speaker 2: we call ourselves a nichanabe. And I went to him
[4:53] Speaker 2: a day we went, which is a medicine man, and
[4:55] Speaker 2: asked him, can you translate what exactly does a nishanabe mean?
[5:00] Speaker 2: And he said, translated, it comes back as light lowered
[5:04] Speaker 2: from the stars. So I don't think it's just my tribe.
[5:10] Speaker 2: I think it's all tribes. That you know, we're brought
[5:14] Speaker 2: here outside of this world and have made this world,
[5:19] Speaker 2: you know, our home and continue to caretake for the land.
[5:26] Speaker 2: And I think it's really important that these teachings, you know,
[5:29] Speaker 2: they're kind of coming to pass. I really feel, you know,
[5:33] Speaker 2: we talked about it as a living prophecy. It is
[5:38] Speaker 2: a you know, a sacred teaching given to my people
[5:43] Speaker 2: describing seven great epochs of our human experience here. So
[5:50] Speaker 2: each fire, and there's seven of them, but I'm finding
[5:53] Speaker 2: out it's that there is going to be an eighth,
[5:57] Speaker 2: but this is the seventh fire. So this is a
[6:00] Speaker 2: time of learning, you know, and also forgetting, because you know,
[6:05] Speaker 2: after years and years and years, sometimes people forget and
[6:11] Speaker 2: then they also remember. So this is also that time
[6:14] Speaker 2: as well and choice. And I think you mentioned it.
[6:17] Speaker 2: You were like, this is a crossroads we're coming to,
[6:21] Speaker 2: and I was like, you could be more correct, Chris.
[6:23] Speaker 2: This is definitely a crossroads, the road that leads to destruction.
[6:28] Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to say destruction because I don't want
[6:30] Speaker 2: to do fear mongering around here, but you know, this
[6:32] Speaker 2: is like chaos. This is you know, this is this
[6:36] Speaker 2: is our planet, which is very sentient, which is very
[6:39] Speaker 2: spirit that has a spirit, a very spiritual creator type
[6:44] Speaker 2: being is being subjected to having all these resources and
[6:51] Speaker 2: and you know, having trees cut, having forests cut, and
[6:56] Speaker 2: I don't really think you know, they tried to say that.
[6:59] Speaker 2: It was like, you know, what is it the the
[7:05] Speaker 2: warming temperatures that's necessary for ascension. And a lot of
[7:10] Speaker 2: people have come to me and be like, I'm just
[7:11] Speaker 2: going through you know, these I just heat up and
[7:14] Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, I'm so miserable. I'm sweating, you know,
[7:17] Speaker 2: red face, and then you know it goes away for
[7:20] Speaker 2: a little bit, it comes back. I was like, well,
[7:22] Speaker 2: I was going through that too, so understandably, you know,
[7:26] Speaker 2: we're sending so you know, we're going to have some
[7:29] Speaker 2: some moments where our body is heating up, just like
[7:32] Speaker 2: the planet is. So the first fire is the fire
[7:37] Speaker 2: of migration, the time of migration, sorry, And and the
[7:41] Speaker 2: people were instructed to leave and they were like living
[7:44] Speaker 2: on the east coast to leave there and to make
[7:47] Speaker 2: their way east or west. And this was like a
[7:53] Speaker 2: spiritual guidance, like this was a this was a you know,
[7:57] Speaker 2: a huge trip going from where their home was to
[8:03] Speaker 2: going to an area where they were told to stop
[8:07] Speaker 2: when food grows on the water, So they made their
[8:11] Speaker 2: way west. So this fire represents trust, trust and spirit
[8:19] Speaker 2: guidance and the spirit world and obedience to inner knowing,
[8:23] Speaker 2: to our intuition, to our sacred knowledge. The second fire
[8:28] Speaker 2: is like a time of separation. So as they were
[8:30] Speaker 2: journeying west, sometimes they stopped along the way and made
[8:34] Speaker 2: camp for many moons, and they forgot the original teachings
[8:40] Speaker 2: in this time. So this fire marks the beginning of
[8:43] Speaker 2: division between people, spirit, and the earth. And it teaches
[8:49] Speaker 2: us that forgetting happens gradually with everyone, with every people.
[8:55] Speaker 2: And so the third fire is the fire is a
[8:58] Speaker 2: time of warning and and the prophecy foretold that the
[9:02] Speaker 2: arrival of a lighter skinned people from across the water.
[9:08] Speaker 2: And if they came with you know, wanting to integrate
[9:13] Speaker 2: and to be friends and to you know, bring great
[9:19] Speaker 2: gifts and friendship, you know, they would be treated as brothers.
[9:24] Speaker 2: But if they came with false gifts, uh suffering or
[9:29] Speaker 2: anything like that would follow them. So this fire teaches
[9:34] Speaker 2: my people discernment and wisdom. As so the force fires
[9:40] Speaker 2: is the time of conflict, talks about great loss land language,
[9:49] Speaker 2: children and in most you know, some of our identity.
[9:54] Speaker 2: So despite these immense hardships, Uh, the sacred teachings would
[9:59] Speaker 2: not be fully lost, but hidden within our language and
[10:03] Speaker 2: our songs and blood memory, as well as our regalia
[10:08] Speaker 2: that we make. So the fifth fire is the time
[10:12] Speaker 2: of false promises. So the fire warned of like the
[10:16] Speaker 2: broken treaties, the broken words, misuse of religion and systems
[10:22] Speaker 2: built up power, you know, rather than sacred wisdom. The
[10:27] Speaker 2: truth would be buried. Yet some of my people would
[10:30] Speaker 2: begin to remember. So the sixth fire was a time
[10:35] Speaker 2: of awakening, and the people would begin to reclaim their language,
[10:40] Speaker 2: reclaim their ceremonies and their ancestral knowledge. So children would
[10:46] Speaker 2: ask questions which would make you know, parents very uncomfortable
[10:49] Speaker 2: because sometimes they just didn't have the answers to be
[10:51] Speaker 2: able to give to the children. Awakening would be very,
[10:56] Speaker 2: very very uncomfortable, but it's necessary for the prophecies. So
[11:01] Speaker 2: the seventh fire is like the fire of choice. And
[11:04] Speaker 2: we talked about this one. So humanity now stands at
[11:07] Speaker 2: a crossroads, just like you said. One path leads to chaos,
[11:14] Speaker 2: leads to UH, and the other one leads to a
[11:17] Speaker 2: time of renewal, so a new people would emerge. And
[11:22] Speaker 2: this was the one tribe that I was told about.
[11:24] Speaker 2: This would be the people the medicine wheel, This would
[11:28] Speaker 2: be you know, all nations, all tribes, and it doesn't
[11:33] Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I think it tribes as people communities,
[11:37] Speaker 2: you know. So I mean, I'm kind of pushing for
[11:41] Speaker 2: maybe we should let go of a lot of the
[11:45] Speaker 2: b I A and blood quantum because you know the
[11:48] Speaker 2: only animals and there are animals that are treated like that,
[11:51] Speaker 2: dogs and horses and we're not animals.
[11:54] Speaker 1: Now what are you referring to?
[11:56] Speaker 2: The beery vent in affairs? And they put blood quantum
[12:01] Speaker 2: on tribes, so you have to be enrolled. You have
[12:03] Speaker 2: to be at least a quarter.
[12:05] Speaker 1: So what does blood quantum mean?
[12:08] Speaker 2: It's how much percentage you are indigenous. And they don't
[12:12] Speaker 2: look at they look at tribes, but they are. But
[12:15] Speaker 2: you have to be enrolled in a band. So you
[12:18] Speaker 2: know you're losing if you know, if you marry into
[12:22] Speaker 2: a different band, you know you have to make a choice,
[12:25] Speaker 2: which which tribe are you going to enroll your child in.
[12:30] Speaker 2: So my mother is from a totally different band, but
[12:33] Speaker 2: they're both o Jibwey. My mom and my dad are
[12:35] Speaker 2: both Ojibway, but they couldn't use the same blood, so
[12:39] Speaker 2: I had to use like an ancestor blood. And I
[12:42] Speaker 2: think it came to with my dad's like forty one
[12:45] Speaker 2: sixty fours, which is a relatively high number. But you know,
[12:51] Speaker 2: I'm seeing a lot of people like pedigree. You know
[12:56] Speaker 2: why I'm this much, you know, But I mean, they
[12:59] Speaker 2: didn't grow on the RESI grow up on the reservation.
[13:01] Speaker 2: I grew up on the reservation. But you know, there
[13:04] Speaker 2: are people that obviously have a lot more of the
[13:08] Speaker 2: culture and we're brought up more traditionally, and it leads
[13:12] Speaker 2: to a lot of factions in fighting, and I just
[13:17] Speaker 2: I don't think it's right anymore. I've changed my views
[13:20] Speaker 2: on it. So anyway, so we're talking about the path,
[13:26] Speaker 2: the crossroads and this new people would emerge and they
[13:31] Speaker 2: were going to be like all different tribes, all different cultures,
[13:34] Speaker 2: all different histories, and it's one tribe, many colors. So
[13:39] Speaker 2: these these I call them warriors, will walk with humility,
[13:45] Speaker 2: with stewardship and remembrance, but mostly unity and non judgment,
[13:52] Speaker 2: you know, and togetherness, you know, because that's what community is.
[13:56] Speaker 2: And that's what we're seeing to be forgetting here, that
[13:58] Speaker 2: were that were all the same human race, regardless of
[14:03] Speaker 2: you know what if we all did lookike, what would
[14:07] Speaker 2: that be? You know, we're here, we're here to learn,
[14:11] Speaker 2: so of course you know we're going to learn in
[14:13] Speaker 2: whatever skin we're placed in.
[14:17] Speaker 1: You mentioned that there is possibly an eighth fire.
[14:21] Speaker 2: What yes, So after the seventh fire, the eight fire
[14:25] Speaker 2: would be let, and that would be signifying the end
[14:29] Speaker 2: of the prophecy and which we would understand more and
[14:35] Speaker 2: seeing it when we get closer to it. Once the
[14:37] Speaker 2: eighth fire is lit, that would be the start of
[14:43] Speaker 2: our planet and uh, taking back what's theirs? You know,
[14:50] Speaker 2: we're we're only here to live here. You know, we're
[14:52] Speaker 2: provided for by having land and air and food and
[14:57] Speaker 2: an animal too, you know, to feed our families. But
[15:04] Speaker 2: no one's giving back. They're just taking and taking and taking,
[15:08] Speaker 2: and so eventually the mother will shake us all off
[15:12] Speaker 2: like fleas on a dog because we're not doing anything
[15:18] Speaker 2: for her. That's that's the eighth fire is going to
[15:23] Speaker 2: be when those two crossroads and everyone has made their choice. Now,
[15:30] Speaker 2: you know, we still have time. That's the thing with
[15:33] Speaker 2: the prophecies it's not set in stone. We still have
[15:37] Speaker 2: time to be able to change the outcome by choice.
[15:41] Speaker 2: And that's the intention of the prophecies, just to let
[15:44] Speaker 2: us know that we do have the choice. It's not
[15:47] Speaker 2: out of our control. We can accept each other as family,
[15:53] Speaker 2: as brothers, as sisters.
[15:56] Speaker 1: And at eighth fire is kind of a mystery as
[16:00] Speaker 1: it stands, because it depends on which crossroads most of
[16:05] Speaker 1: us choose, right.
[16:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely. I think it was. It was like
[16:12] Speaker 2: a twenty twenty I'm gonna say twenty twenty four. I
[16:16] Speaker 2: had a vision, you know, I was shown a thunderbird,
[16:23] Speaker 2: a firebird of Phoenix, and as it was flying underneath it,
[16:29] Speaker 2: there was an indigenous profile, a face underneath the bird
[16:35] Speaker 2: flying in front of me. And it's a reconnection for
[16:39] Speaker 2: my people as well. So it's not just for everybody else.
[16:44] Speaker 2: And hey, we're in the running, you know, you know,
[16:49] Speaker 2: it's for everyone.
[16:51] Speaker 1: Let's get into the Seven Grandfather Teachings. I don't believe
[16:55] Speaker 1: we touched on that last time.
[16:57] Speaker 2: No, we kind of ran out of time. But you know,
[17:00] Speaker 2: these these seven Grandfather Teachings, the they they're like seven animals.
[17:05] Speaker 2: They represent to us, you know, different I would say
[17:13] Speaker 2: basics of you know, honesty, you know, which is Sabe.
[17:16] Speaker 2: But I will get into that. So when here people
[17:18] Speaker 2: hear Sabe, they're like, what is that? Who is that?
[17:22] Speaker 2: That is what my people call I guess they would
[17:27] Speaker 2: call him, you know, uh a sasquad or bigfoot. He
[17:30] Speaker 2: does not like that name. Sabe is just if you
[17:34] Speaker 2: translate it in no Jibwe, it is giant. So he
[17:39] Speaker 2: is tall and you know he's uh. I can't say
[17:45] Speaker 2: anything more about him other than the fact he's not
[17:48] Speaker 2: here to harm, you know, treat him the way you
[17:51] Speaker 2: would like to be treated. If this wasn't your home,
[17:55] Speaker 2: how would you like to be treated? This isn't his
[17:58] Speaker 2: home either. And I know one of the things was
[18:02] Speaker 2: I went on this camping trip and I was like
[18:04] Speaker 2: trying to you know, connect with him or her and
[18:09] Speaker 2: to be able to say, like, you know, let's have
[18:11] Speaker 2: a sit down, let's you know, let's discuss why are
[18:14] Speaker 2: you here? You know, what are we supposed to learn
[18:19] Speaker 2: from this, you know, living here or you know, being
[18:24] Speaker 2: here in the same area. And one if it was
[18:29] Speaker 2: the penal gland, which was very important because they used
[18:32] Speaker 2: theirs to be able to travel, to be able to
[18:37] Speaker 2: leave from our dimension and go to another one. And
[18:40] Speaker 2: so they wanted to be able to teach people that
[18:42] Speaker 2: were ready for these teachings, to be able to use
[18:46] Speaker 2: their penal glands or remember kind of click it over,
[18:49] Speaker 2: because we it should be in our DNA to remember
[18:52] Speaker 2: how to do all of this, because our ancestors back
[18:56] Speaker 2: in the day were able to do all of this
[18:58] Speaker 2: and more before you know, they were told don't do it,
[19:04] Speaker 2: and we won't talk about who told them not to
[19:06] Speaker 2: do it, but you know, and we've forgotten. So it's
[19:10] Speaker 2: not just us forgetting you know, our culture and our
[19:13] Speaker 2: history and our songs and our language. It's everybody else
[19:17] Speaker 2: forgetting that we had all these gifts to begin with,
[19:22] Speaker 2: and so reconnecting doing some of the inner work. We
[19:25] Speaker 2: have generational trauma, we have generational guilt, We have so
[19:30] Speaker 2: many things that keep us disconnected from ourselves, from you know,
[19:38] Speaker 2: our path and why we're here.
[19:40] Speaker 1: So these seven Grandfather teachings are also connected with teachings
[19:45] Speaker 1: of Sasquatch.
[19:47] Speaker 2: Yes, they're all these animals. So like to start with love,
[19:51] Speaker 2: which is you know, the most important to me anyway,
[19:55] Speaker 2: And this was taught by mcgissey, by Eagle so love
[20:01] Speaker 2: is definitely misunderstood is a feeling. So in the teachings,
[20:05] Speaker 2: love is an action. It's not an emotion. Love is
[20:09] Speaker 2: an action. So in choosing compassion, forgiveness, kindness, and care
[20:15] Speaker 2: for all living things, love asks us to recognize the
[20:20] Speaker 2: sacredness within ourselves and within others. So after that comes respect,
[20:29] Speaker 2: and that is taught by brother Buffalo. So respect means
[20:35] Speaker 2: excuse me. Respect means honoring all of creations. So every person,
[20:42] Speaker 2: every animal, plant, river, every life has purpose, and respect
[20:49] Speaker 2: teaches us to take only what we need and leave
[20:53] Speaker 2: something for those who come after us. And the next
[20:57] Speaker 2: teaching is bravery, which is hot by makwa, which is bear.
[21:04] Speaker 2: And bravery is not the absence of fear. It is
[21:08] Speaker 2: doing what's right despite the fear. So you're not, you know,
[21:12] Speaker 2: being fearless. You're acting even when you're scared. You know
[21:16] Speaker 2: you're going to do what's right. And some of the
[21:18] Speaker 2: hardest battles are not fought outside of us, but they're
[21:23] Speaker 2: fought within us. So bravery asked us to face our
[21:27] Speaker 2: inner wounds, our wounded child, speak our truth, and continue
[21:32] Speaker 2: walking our path no matter how hard it gets. If
[21:36] Speaker 2: you fall down, get back up because that's what Bear
[21:40] Speaker 2: teaches us. And so, you know, then we get to honesty,
[21:44] Speaker 2: which is one of my favorites. And you know, honesty
[21:47] Speaker 2: is represented by Sabe. So Sabe asked us, or honesty
[21:52] Speaker 2: asks us to remove our masks, because we're coming into
[21:57] Speaker 2: an area where we can't continue to exists behind this mask.
[22:02] Speaker 2: We must be authentic, We must be ourselves to stop pretending,
[22:09] Speaker 2: you know, pretending for cliques, pretending for likes, pretending for
[22:13] Speaker 2: views you know or or you know gatekeeping you know
[22:20] Speaker 2: which is you know, only I have this information, only me,
[22:24] Speaker 2: you know, only I am the great one. You know,
[22:27] Speaker 2: we're understanding that, you know, ego can be an armor sometimes,
[22:33] Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely, definitely He's wanting us to be more authentic,
[22:38] Speaker 2: more true to ourselves, and to live in alignment to
[22:44] Speaker 2: who we truly are. So after honesty and Sabe, we
[22:50] Speaker 2: have wisdom, which is by Beaver. So wisdom is not
[22:54] Speaker 2: simply collecting information. Wisdom is applying knowledge in a way
[23:02] Speaker 2: that benefits ourselves, our families, and our community. And wisdom
[23:05] Speaker 2: requires discernment. But I noticed a lot with wisdom, and
[23:11] Speaker 2: is people mistake wisdom in gathering all of this information
[23:16] Speaker 2: you know, becoming a master of knowledge, but not doing
[23:22] Speaker 2: any of the inner work. Right, So you're learning, but
[23:27] Speaker 2: you're not walking the path. So how can you How
[23:31] Speaker 2: can you sit here and talk about spirituality when you're
[23:34] Speaker 2: not doing any of the inner work. And we're going
[23:37] Speaker 2: to see more of these people, more of these people
[23:40] Speaker 2: that are wearing masks, more of the people coming out,
[23:43] Speaker 2: and and it's for a lot of people, it's going
[23:46] Speaker 2: to be really hard because you know, they looked up
[23:48] Speaker 2: to these people. We shouldn't be looking up to anybody.
[23:51] Speaker 2: We are all one, we are all the same.
[23:55] Speaker 1: All your heroes will eventually disappoint you.
[23:57] Speaker 2: Oh definitely, you know, because they can't hold that they
[24:01] Speaker 2: can't hold that mask. The next one is wolf, which
[24:08] Speaker 2: is humility. And humility reminds us that we're we're just
[24:13] Speaker 2: talking about this, we're not above anyone else, and but
[24:17] Speaker 2: we're also not beneath them. So the wolf survives through
[24:22] Speaker 2: the strength of a pack alone. Wolf will not survive.
[24:27] Speaker 2: They have to survive with a pack, with the community,
[24:30] Speaker 2: with the social order. So humility teaches us that we
[24:34] Speaker 2: all have gifts and we all have lessons to learn. Here.
[24:37] Speaker 2: It's just it makes it so much easier when you're
[24:39] Speaker 2: aligned with the correct energy. So the next one is turtle,
[24:45] Speaker 2: and I think that is the last one, And turtle
[24:47] Speaker 2: is truth. Like we talked about honesty, people think honesty
[24:51] Speaker 2: and truth, Well, isn't that the same thing? No, they're
[24:54] Speaker 2: a little bit different. So, Mick, turtle is truth is
[25:00] Speaker 2: what happens when all of the teachings are lived together,
[25:06] Speaker 2: not just one. Not you're doing picking through and saying,
[25:09] Speaker 2: you know what, I like this one, I'm gonna work
[25:11] Speaker 2: on this one. No, you have to work on all
[25:12] Speaker 2: of them. It's not it's not a picker decide. It's
[25:16] Speaker 2: it's all or nothing. And truth is not merely speaking facts.
[25:22] Speaker 2: Truth is aligning our our thoughts, our words, and actions
[25:27] Speaker 2: with all of the teachings. So when we live in truth,
[25:31] Speaker 2: we live in balance. One thing that you know that
[25:35] Speaker 2: I often say is honesty without love can become cruel,
[25:42] Speaker 2: and bravery without humility can become ego, and wisdom without
[25:49] Speaker 2: truth can become manipulation. M hm. And the teachings balance
[25:55] Speaker 2: one another. And we're I'm finding a lot more males
[26:00] Speaker 2: that have been coming to me and talking to me
[26:02] Speaker 2: about the balance between the divine, masculine and the divine feminine,
[26:08] Speaker 2: And I've been seeing a lot of arguments online against genders,
[26:13] Speaker 2: and we're all, you know, the divine masculine does not
[26:18] Speaker 2: represent one gender. It represents something that's within all of us,
[26:22] Speaker 2: within me, within you. And then we have the divine feminine,
[26:27] Speaker 2: and that's in all of us as well. And when
[26:30] Speaker 2: we balance all of these out with the teachings, there
[26:34] Speaker 2: isn't anything that we can't do. Then we become the
[26:37] Speaker 2: creator beings.
[26:39] Speaker 1: Do you have any idea how far back these teachings
[26:43] Speaker 1: can be traced. I find it's super interesting that they
[26:49] Speaker 1: are using animals to portray these teachings. Wolf bird, a turtle,
[26:54] Speaker 1: and they're sasquatch in there, And that tells me much
[26:59] Speaker 1: more about the nature of reality that if they were
[27:04] Speaker 1: going by observations of animals to help them understand reality,
[27:09] Speaker 1: they were obviously observing a sasquatch, which is considered to
[27:15] Speaker 1: be a mythical creature in our modern reality. Well, it
[27:21] Speaker 1: proves to me that they were witnessing something and they
[27:25] Speaker 1: were documenting it and expressing it in a very natural
[27:30] Speaker 1: way that they were also doing with very documented creatures.
[27:34] Speaker 1: So it's just a reinforcement that these beings exist.
[27:38] Speaker 2: Oh, most definitely they exist. I mean I think for many,
[27:45] Speaker 2: many years, a lot of the tribes protected protected Sabe
[27:50] Speaker 2: and his families. We all kind of know where he is,
[27:56] Speaker 2: but I mean we're not going to tell because you know,
[27:59] Speaker 2: he can be quite hundred pursued, and you know, he's
[28:06] Speaker 2: a being. He deserves respect, he deserves for us to
[28:11] Speaker 2: understand at least a little iota of who he they are.
[28:17] Speaker 1: And before we get too deep into Sasquatch. Oh yeah,
[28:21] Speaker 1: do you have any idea how far back these teachings go?
[28:25] Speaker 1: Has it been traced?
[28:27] Speaker 2: Oh? No, I mean I've gone back sixteen hundred wow,
[28:34] Speaker 2: and a lot of the teachings, you know, and then
[28:38] Speaker 2: also my genealogy chart and is they were still there?
[28:44] Speaker 2: So we're looking at something that's probably centuries old, and
[28:49] Speaker 2: we're taught, you know, these stories from a very young age.
[28:53] Speaker 2: You know, I remember stories of Nanabouju. You know, he's
[28:57] Speaker 2: called other names as well, but he was almost like
[29:00] Speaker 2: a trickster, you know, but he was very like almost
[29:05] Speaker 2: like a superhero to us. You know, he had abilities.
[29:08] Speaker 2: He could fly, you know, he could do miracles, he
[29:11] Speaker 2: could turn into animals. And you can still find these
[29:15] Speaker 2: stories online and you have the creation story you talk about.
[29:20] Speaker 2: He talked like a story about the Great Flood and
[29:25] Speaker 2: Turtle Island, which a lot of people I'm telling it's
[29:28] Speaker 2: the same as Pangaea. Turtle Island is the same as Pangaea.
[29:33] Speaker 2: You know. We have to learn that these histories are
[29:36] Speaker 2: aligned for a reason. Within every people, within every culture,
[29:40] Speaker 2: there's the same stories.
[29:43] Speaker 1: Let's get deeper into indigenous understandings of sasquatch. Is this
[29:49] Speaker 1: being a flesh and blood hominid type of creature or
[29:55] Speaker 1: is it a spiritual being?
[29:58] Speaker 2: He has his own language, nia's vocal cords, you know,
[30:03] Speaker 2: which a lot of people want to kind of put
[30:06] Speaker 2: him in the same category as a gorilla or an ape,
[30:10] Speaker 2: or a hominid, you know, or a semen. What do
[30:13] Speaker 2: they call him anyway, Yes, Simean, and he's not because
[30:20] Speaker 2: those creatures do not have a vocal box, do not
[30:24] Speaker 2: have a voice box. But he does. He can make
[30:27] Speaker 2: he can form words. They have a very complex sign
[30:33] Speaker 2: language that they speak with each other. They can speak
[30:37] Speaker 2: telepathically with each other, so you know, the whole need
[30:40] Speaker 2: for an actual voice. They've already evolved past that. They
[30:47] Speaker 2: are well evolved past us with being able to use
[30:51] Speaker 2: their penal gland, to be able to travel, to be
[30:53] Speaker 2: able to open portals. And only thing that I noticed
[30:58] Speaker 2: with a lot of people that say that they've eating
[31:00] Speaker 2: them or been around them, is that they noticed these orbs.
[31:04] Speaker 2: And a lot of people will say, oh, those are
[31:06] Speaker 2: UFOs or oh this is no, this is this is
[31:09] Speaker 2: how they travel, you know. And the one that I
[31:12] Speaker 2: saw was about seven seven seven half feet tall and
[31:18] Speaker 2: it was a red orb and it was by my
[31:21] Speaker 2: car and I just happened to catch it and I
[31:23] Speaker 2: was like, you know, I it did a double take
[31:27] Speaker 2: and when I look back it was gone. But I
[31:29] Speaker 2: was seeing like these blue and silver orbs that were
[31:33] Speaker 2: peeking at me behind the trees. And I was like, well,
[31:39] Speaker 2: you know, my buddy was more interested in what was
[31:41] Speaker 2: going on in the sky. We were out many miles,
[31:45] Speaker 2: I mean, I was like, bring me where you are,
[31:47] Speaker 2: and I just was led intuitively to this campsite. And yeah,
[31:53] Speaker 2: we spent two days in the woods. The second night
[31:57] Speaker 2: it kind of rained in that pre es day, I
[32:00] Speaker 2: saw a bear and I was like worried about it
[32:02] Speaker 2: was in my head like that bear, that bear, Oh
[32:04] Speaker 2: my gosh, what if he comes over here. Oh my gosh,
[32:06] Speaker 2: you know, I just like I don't want to harm
[32:08] Speaker 2: any animal. You know, my mother is you know, close
[32:13] Speaker 2: to bear clans, so you know, I wasn't going to
[32:15] Speaker 2: harm any animal. And that night we were putting the
[32:21] Speaker 2: fire out and everything we had to eat and putting
[32:22] Speaker 2: everything away. You have to lock up all your food
[32:25] Speaker 2: and everything, and we could hear like this really large
[32:29] Speaker 2: creature running around the camp, Like you could hear like
[32:34] Speaker 2: the feet like just slap, and you know, as he
[32:38] Speaker 2: was running around the camp, and the only thing I
[32:41] Speaker 2: could think of is that he was like laying his
[32:44] Speaker 2: scent down to keep the bears away, because you know,
[32:47] Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, you know, I just
[32:49] Speaker 2: don't I just don't want a bear coming here, because
[32:53] Speaker 2: they can be destructive. You know, they're hungry. A lot
[32:56] Speaker 2: of people feed them. Don't feed the bears, you know,
[33:00] Speaker 2: and they start to rely on humans, and they will
[33:01] Speaker 2: come up to a human if you you know, and
[33:05] Speaker 2: not all everyone knows the rules, and you know, people
[33:09] Speaker 2: are hurt.
[33:10] Speaker 1: Would you say that sasquatch is a humanoid, that they
[33:15] Speaker 1: are a form of our ancestors. They may even have
[33:19] Speaker 1: some kind of DNA or genetic connections to us. Their
[33:24] Speaker 1: spiritual knowledge and metaphysical knowledge has way surpassed humans. They
[33:29] Speaker 1: have psychic abilities and interdimensional travel abilities. Would you say
[33:33] Speaker 1: that's accurate?
[33:34] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, without a doubt.
[33:37] Speaker 1: Do they have any interest in what we're doing.
[33:42] Speaker 2: Not? Really. They don't understand a lot of the things
[33:46] Speaker 2: that we do, like the whole you go somewhere for
[33:52] Speaker 2: a majority of your day, but yet it's not for you.
[33:57] Speaker 2: It's somebody else that's making it. Doesn't compute. They don't
[34:02] Speaker 2: understand that because you know, they live in existence of
[34:06] Speaker 2: of you know, oh, I'm going to go over there.
[34:08] Speaker 2: Well then they go over there. You know, I'm going
[34:10] Speaker 2: to go back home, you know, or you know, meet
[34:15] Speaker 2: with a specific group and they do it. I mean
[34:19] Speaker 2: they don't you know, we live on a totally different
[34:26] Speaker 2: world and they than they previously did, you know, in
[34:30] Speaker 2: coming here. They don't understand a lot of the things
[34:32] Speaker 2: that we do. But that was I think it was
[34:35] Speaker 2: a couple of years ago when I went no it
[34:37] Speaker 2: was last year? Was it last year? Holy moly, time
[34:40] Speaker 2: has just gone. But that was one of the things
[34:45] Speaker 2: is I was like, I noticed that there's a lot
[34:47] Speaker 2: more pictures. There's a lot more video. There's a lot
[34:50] Speaker 2: more like trail cams picking up you know his, and
[34:57] Speaker 2: they're all look different. They don't all look the same,
[35:00] Speaker 2: you know. They they you know, just like us, we
[35:03] Speaker 2: most of us look different. They look different, So you're
[35:07] Speaker 2: not all going to find the same one. I think
[35:10] Speaker 2: someone had shown I don't know, did I send that
[35:12] Speaker 2: to you? Was a picture of one in the little
[35:14] Speaker 2: gray face, you know. But I mean they just are
[35:18] Speaker 2: very different different areas.
[35:22] Speaker 1: Are they making themselves more known to certain people during
[35:28] Speaker 1: this period?
[35:29] Speaker 2: Yes, that was like one of the things that I
[35:32] Speaker 2: really wanted to be able to talk about, was like,
[35:35] Speaker 2: if you want to be able to work with people,
[35:37] Speaker 2: you're going to have to be able to show them
[35:40] Speaker 2: that you are not just a tall tale, that you're
[35:44] Speaker 2: not just a mythical being that you know, people aren't
[35:48] Speaker 2: seeing actual, you know, gorillas out in the woods, you know.
[35:54] Speaker 2: And so it was like their choice to decide who
[35:57] Speaker 2: they wanted to be able to contact to work with,
[36:01] Speaker 2: and that would the easiest way that a lot of
[36:05] Speaker 2: these beings contact us is in the astral So after
[36:10] Speaker 2: you go to sleep at night is when they you know,
[36:13] Speaker 2: they can make contact with you because you're more in
[36:16] Speaker 2: that frame of mind of Hey, I'm in my bed,
[36:18] Speaker 2: I'm in my house, I'm safe, I'm having a dream,
[36:23] Speaker 2: And it's easier for them to be able to just
[36:25] Speaker 2: insert themselves and be like hi, you know, and you're like, oh,
[36:30] Speaker 2: you know, I'm having a dream, you know, and I'm
[36:33] Speaker 2: safe at home, you know. So I mean it's easier
[36:36] Speaker 2: for them to be able to make that.
[36:39] Speaker 1: I've heard some interesting theories about why Sasquatch remains are
[36:44] Speaker 1: never found dead bodies anything like that. One of the
[36:48] Speaker 1: more interesting ones to me is that there is a
[36:53] Speaker 1: faction of Three Letter Agency men in black that are
[36:58] Speaker 1: well aware of the Sasquat phenomena, and they clean up
[37:02] Speaker 1: any evidence as soon as possible. I've also heard that
[37:06] Speaker 1: the Sasquatch do take care of their own deceased in
[37:09] Speaker 1: a way to where we will never find them. Any
[37:12] Speaker 1: thoughts on that.
[37:13] Speaker 2: Oh, they're both right. I think they had and uh
[37:17] Speaker 2: when Mount Saint Helens, I think it was in the
[37:19] Speaker 2: eighties that had the volcano there had you know, and
[37:27] Speaker 2: there was actual they had found some of the Three
[37:30] Speaker 2: Letter Agencies actually found these bodies on the side of
[37:34] Speaker 2: the volcano. So I probably, like in the early eighties,
[37:37] Speaker 2: Mount Saint Helens. It was a volcano, so it kind
[37:40] Speaker 2: of exploded. I don't know, I don't erupted. That's what
[37:43] Speaker 2: I was trying to write. It's not exploded, but when
[37:46] Speaker 2: it erupted.
[37:47] Speaker 1: So they have a faction of either government or clandestine
[37:55] Speaker 1: groups that manage the Sasquatch situation.
[37:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they do. They manage everything, you know. I mean,
[38:04] Speaker 2: there's just so much that they keep hidden from us,
[38:08] Speaker 2: and you know, then they use fear and intimidation tactics
[38:12] Speaker 2: to keep us from researching and finding out the truth
[38:16] Speaker 2: a lot of these secrets. I think it's time that
[38:22] Speaker 2: we understand that there's a lot more going on here
[38:24] Speaker 2: than what we think, because you know, a lot of
[38:27] Speaker 2: the tribes knew. You know that people that think that
[38:30] Speaker 2: there's aliens coming from space, they never came from space.
[38:34] Speaker 2: They've been here the whole time, you know, if they've
[38:36] Speaker 2: lived in caves and tunnels underneath our own feet.
[38:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely want to get into that. I'm looking
[38:43] Speaker 1: at the drawing of dog Man by your side. There.
[38:48] Speaker 1: Can we get into this a little bit? What is
[38:51] Speaker 1: dog Man? According to indigenous lore, dog Man.
[38:57] Speaker 2: Was originally almost like a a bloodline that was able
[39:02] Speaker 2: to change. I've I think kind of kind of like that,
[39:12] Speaker 2: but it's almost more. It's more tribal than I would
[39:15] Speaker 2: consider it to be. You know, were wolf. I guess
[39:22] Speaker 2: the closest thing to it would have been like that.
[39:26] Speaker 2: I think it was what was that Vampire Twilight where
[39:29] Speaker 2: they had the wolves there.
[39:31] Speaker 1: So these were once humans that transformed.
[39:35] Speaker 2: They were able to do that, you know, and and
[39:38] Speaker 2: you know, it's not like, oh, this is something that's
[39:41] Speaker 2: beyond our thinking because you know, a lot of certain
[39:45] Speaker 2: other my day we went like you know, medicine, people
[39:49] Speaker 2: that use magic or dark magic or to turn and
[39:54] Speaker 2: use you know, I don't like to talk about or
[39:58] Speaker 2: even mention. Know it starts with the ass and so
[40:02] Speaker 2: the walker, but you know, the they're able to do that.
[40:06] Speaker 2: A lot of people they think of it as a fiction.
[40:10] Speaker 2: So you know, it's all this can't happen, uh, you know,
[40:14] Speaker 2: people turning. We have stories about it. You know, there
[40:18] Speaker 2: were specific uh beings that can turn into different animals,
[40:26] Speaker 2: you know, and uh we never said oh my gosh,
[40:30] Speaker 2: you know, or laughed about it. I mean it was
[40:31] Speaker 2: like okay, you know, I mean it was just known.
[40:36] Speaker 2: So it was it didn't seem really and I mean
[40:39] Speaker 2: even I've heard a couple of the it was passed
[40:42] Speaker 2: to me a story that these medicinen were out in
[40:45] Speaker 2: the woods. I don't know that they were gathering medicine,
[40:48] Speaker 2: but they around the woods and they happened to come
[40:51] Speaker 2: across somebody that was walking in the woods. But it
[40:54] Speaker 2: was heavily foliage, so that you know, the trees were
[40:58] Speaker 2: you know, blocking out most of the sun, but there
[41:00] Speaker 2: was patches of sunlight, and as this person walked through
[41:03] Speaker 2: the patches of sunlight, their skin began to steam and
[41:07] Speaker 2: burn and like smoke. So you know, you can kind
[41:11] Speaker 2: of figure out what mythical being that could be, and
[41:15] Speaker 2: maybe it's not as mythical as we think.
[41:18] Speaker 1: Would you say that most people's sightings of dog men
[41:22] Speaker 1: are these humans that can transform.
[41:27] Speaker 2: Transform, But there's also a lot of dark programs and
[41:32] Speaker 2: a lot of military programs where they have used some
[41:38] Speaker 2: of this ancient DNA to be able to.
[41:43] Speaker 1: Cause this in like hybridization programs.
[41:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, like hybrid programs. That's wild.
[41:51] Speaker 1: I want to get into extra terrestrials a bit. You
[41:55] Speaker 1: said that they're not coming from beyond our atmosphere, that
[41:59] Speaker 1: they've all always been here. Are there different groups that
[42:03] Speaker 1: have been here that may have different intended outcomes for
[42:08] Speaker 1: humanity or relationships with humanity.
[42:13] Speaker 2: I wouldn't really call like there are some, but the
[42:16] Speaker 2: one that comes to mind, they called them down the
[42:19] Speaker 2: Southwest on a naki you know, which is anu means
[42:23] Speaker 2: aunt and knaki means friends, so a friend. And they're
[42:27] Speaker 2: the ones with the really you know, the the almond shape,
[42:31] Speaker 2: dark eyes. I guess people would call them like small grays,
[42:37] Speaker 2: tall grays, tall whites. There's also like watchers, and all
[42:45] Speaker 2: they do is just kind of stand around, you just
[42:47] Speaker 2: like watch. They don't do anything, you know. I mean,
[42:50] Speaker 2: I had someone send me a picture and they're like,
[42:51] Speaker 2: what is this And I was like, oh, I was like,
[42:54] Speaker 2: those are called watchers and you can see it kind
[42:56] Speaker 2: of trying to hide behind a telephone pole, but you
[42:59] Speaker 2: could still see like.
[42:59] Speaker 1: The what those look like.
[43:02] Speaker 2: They're almost like energetic outlines. I've never seen one that
[43:05] Speaker 2: is not cloaked in a way, but I can see them.
[43:10] Speaker 2: They look like a lot of people can see them,
[43:12] Speaker 2: so it's not just like, oh, I'm the only one,
[43:14] Speaker 2: but you know there are people that can see them,
[43:16] Speaker 2: because it's almost like a like an aura, like an
[43:19] Speaker 2: energy outline of them, and you can see them and
[43:22] Speaker 2: they be like, what is that. It looks like somebody's
[43:25] Speaker 2: standing there, but you know, your eyes are telling you
[43:28] Speaker 2: that no one is physically there, but you know you
[43:32] Speaker 2: see remnants.
[43:34] Speaker 1: So that particular being the ones known as the inochia
[43:40] Speaker 1: ant people do have somewhat of a relationship with humans.
[43:47] Speaker 2: I would say so I I they do a lot.
[43:53] Speaker 2: Some of them, you know, work for and with some
[43:59] Speaker 2: of our secret factions here in our world. Deals were made,
[44:05] Speaker 2: Treaties were made, and the deal was to hand over
[44:09] Speaker 2: uh some technology in so that they could get a
[44:15] Speaker 2: little bit of our blood and test on us and
[44:19] Speaker 2: test the food that we eat. And you know, it's
[44:21] Speaker 2: almost like their gathering information, you know how you know
[44:27] Speaker 2: what is our food? You know you see the cows
[44:30] Speaker 2: and stuff that are all cut up. You know, that's
[44:33] Speaker 2: what we eat. Of course they're going to examine the
[44:36] Speaker 2: food that we're eating. Why not they want to say
[44:39] Speaker 2: how it's affecting us.
[44:42] Speaker 1: Is there any information you've heard about what's considered to
[44:47] Speaker 1: be reptilian beings?
[44:50] Speaker 2: Well yeah, you know, I mean they also contributed to
[44:54] Speaker 2: our creation by putting in you know, a little bit
[45:00] Speaker 2: of our neurological you know, what they call the reptilian brain,
[45:05] Speaker 2: you know. So I mean people are like, oh my gosh,
[45:07] Speaker 2: you know reptilians. Oh no, you know, it's like, well,
[45:10] Speaker 2: you know, we were kind of created with that blood
[45:13] Speaker 2: as well, along with twenty different types of human DNA
[45:18] Speaker 2: to create who we are, you know, in the modern sense.
[45:25] Speaker 2: So yeah, it was kind of like everybody just put
[45:27] Speaker 2: together the soup. Hey, we're collecting for soup, what do
[45:30] Speaker 2: you know? And everybody kind of contributed something, and you know,
[45:33] Speaker 2: the reptilians did as well. Yeah, I think a lot
[45:36] Speaker 2: of people are frightened about that.
[45:40] Speaker 1: Is there a spectrum of beings that are here that
[45:44] Speaker 1: we don't know about?
[45:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's definitely. Recently, I would say within the
[45:56] Speaker 2: last thirteen years, I've noticed like an optic in like
[46:02] Speaker 2: different types of beings that I've been that are here.
[46:07] Speaker 2: I didn't pay much attention before because I just thought
[46:09] Speaker 2: all these people are just very odd, you know, But
[46:12] Speaker 2: I mean really looking at them and seeing them with
[46:17] Speaker 2: you know, not those road rose colored glasses, but seem
[46:21] Speaker 2: I've seen people that have orange skin. I've seen different
[46:26] Speaker 2: types of reptilians, energy beings. They even have like what
[46:36] Speaker 2: a lot of the tribal lore talk about little people,
[46:42] Speaker 2: and they are also interdimensional. And when I was a kid,
[46:46] Speaker 2: I used to be obsessed. I was like, they live underground,
[46:49] Speaker 2: you know, I mean they have their houses, but you know,
[46:52] Speaker 2: I mean they some of them can be very small,
[46:55] Speaker 2: and some of them can be about three feet tall.
[46:58] Speaker 1: I just like, for the most part, most of these
[47:00] Speaker 1: beings are just trying to have their own experience here
[47:05] Speaker 1: and they don't want to have much to do with
[47:08] Speaker 1: us at all.
[47:09] Speaker 2: No, they don't. They thoroughly dislike us. They you know,
[47:14] Speaker 2: they they're like, you have zero respect for anything that
[47:19] Speaker 2: you have been given, you know, I mean they and
[47:22] Speaker 2: you know, on the daily are constantly giving thanks for
[47:26] Speaker 2: you know, the sign for the air, for the food,
[47:29] Speaker 2: for the clothes, you know, for the shelter, you know,
[47:33] Speaker 2: for the weather, for the crops, everything, and they're like,
[47:37] Speaker 2: you guys don't even do that. And it's like, well,
[47:39] Speaker 2: you know, I try to now, you know, try to
[47:43] Speaker 2: give thanks on a daily you know, But no, they
[47:47] Speaker 2: don't really care for us very much. We can become,
[47:52] Speaker 2: we can change our way of thinking.
[47:54] Speaker 1: You said something interesting earlier that because of the EMF
[47:59] Speaker 1: soup we're surrounded in, we are being spiritually disconnected. Can
[48:04] Speaker 1: we get a little deeper into that.
[48:06] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it all started, you know, probably about six
[48:09] Speaker 2: years ago when we were told to stand six feet
[48:13] Speaker 2: apart from each other. You know, our our own electrical
[48:18] Speaker 2: magnetic field extends about three feet out from our bodies,
[48:25] Speaker 2: and it almost kind of looks like, you know, a
[48:27] Speaker 2: normal EMF kind of like a donut like we have,
[48:30] Speaker 2: like we are situated in a don't in the field
[48:32] Speaker 2: will go out about three feet. So if you're standing
[48:35] Speaker 2: and talking to somebody, you know, usually you stand and
[48:38] Speaker 2: you talk, you know, about a healthy foot and a
[48:41] Speaker 2: half to two feet away from each other. And when
[48:44] Speaker 2: you connect like that with somebody, then you're like thinking,
[48:48] Speaker 2: you know, oh yeah, I was just thinking that. You know, oh,
[48:51] Speaker 2: you know all these things, and you'll that's what it is,
[48:55] Speaker 2: you know, our EMF fields are meant to interact with
[48:58] Speaker 2: each other because we are all the same energy, universal energy,
[49:04] Speaker 2: start ust, magic, whatever you want to call it, that's
[49:07] Speaker 2: what we are, and we cannot be kept from each
[49:12] Speaker 2: other like this, and we lose that connection when when
[49:16] Speaker 2: they force you to stand more than six feet away
[49:18] Speaker 2: from somebody, you know, you're yelling, you know, hey, you know,
[49:22] Speaker 2: I mean you're that three feet your three feet, their
[49:26] Speaker 2: three feet. That's broken, you know. And that's one of
[49:30] Speaker 2: the things that I was told. We need to reconnect
[49:34] Speaker 2: not only with ourselves, but with other people and with nature.
[49:39] Speaker 2: And you know, there's like a total misbalance right now
[49:43] Speaker 2: and we need to balance it out. Yeah. So, you know,
[49:48] Speaker 2: with with what my company, I was like, you know what,
[49:52] Speaker 2: there's so many life coaches out there, you know, so
[49:55] Speaker 2: I decided to do indigenous mentorship to be able to
[49:59] Speaker 2: get people to be able to you know, reconnect with
[50:02] Speaker 2: themselves work through the generational trauma or you know, the
[50:07] Speaker 2: generational guilt, and to find that reconnection through nature and
[50:13] Speaker 2: each other.
[50:15] Speaker 1: Let's get to some of the work you're doing. Tell
[50:17] Speaker 1: us a little bit more about thunder Rock Lodge.
[50:22] Speaker 2: So I just actually developed it was like a matriarchal company.
[50:28] Speaker 2: So I took my mother's main name, which was thunder
[50:33] Speaker 2: and my father's matriarchal line, which is his mother which
[50:37] Speaker 2: was her last name was Rock. So thunder Rock Lodge
[50:40] Speaker 2: was a place of healing. And I had this dream
[50:45] Speaker 2: to be able to have like these healing camps to
[50:48] Speaker 2: have people come and actually partake in real indigenous ceremonies,
[50:54] Speaker 2: not AI created ceremonies, you know, not a hodgepodge of
[51:00] Speaker 2: all from different tribes coming together, the real indigenous ceremonies.
[51:05] Speaker 2: I've spoken with you know, elders and with medicine men,
[51:12] Speaker 2: and and to be able to say is this something
[51:15] Speaker 2: you know, can I do this? I mean? Or is
[51:19] Speaker 2: this something that I'm going to get doors slammed in
[51:23] Speaker 2: my face? And I was really happy to find out
[51:27] Speaker 2: that they were all for it, you know, that they're
[51:30] Speaker 2: that They're like, yeah, we need to be able to,
[51:34] Speaker 2: you know, have the people that want to align with
[51:37] Speaker 2: the same energy they're taking in these healings, taking in
[51:42] Speaker 2: these ceremonies, you know, taking in these sweat lodges and
[51:46] Speaker 2: not having doors slammed in their face, you know, and
[51:49] Speaker 2: and doing a lot of the indigenous therapies that you
[51:55] Speaker 2: know I've had. I've been practicing on myself, you know,
[51:59] Speaker 2: to do the work, you know, to to be able
[52:02] Speaker 2: to get past that whole you know, anger that everybody
[52:06] Speaker 2: seems to want to hold on to, and it's not
[52:10] Speaker 2: it's not it's not in our best interests. You know,
[52:12] Speaker 2: we have to be able to move past that. So
[52:16] Speaker 2: I created thunder Rock Lodge and right now it's just
[52:19] Speaker 2: remote because it's easier for me to be able to
[52:22] Speaker 2: reach more people. That way. I could get an office
[52:26] Speaker 2: here you know where I live. But it's just I
[52:31] Speaker 2: have so many clients all over and I don't want
[52:35] Speaker 2: to be just in one spot. I want to be accessible.
[52:39] Speaker 2: I want people to be able to be like, hey,
[52:40] Speaker 2: I need I need I need to be able to
[52:43] Speaker 2: talk to you. You know, I need to be able
[52:45] Speaker 2: to get a healing in. So I don't know, I
[52:48] Speaker 2: just I really wanted this. This was something that it
[52:52] Speaker 2: was like I had to sit down and do a
[52:55] Speaker 2: lot of meditating with my own ancestors to decide if
[52:59] Speaker 2: this was something that they would stand behind me, that
[53:03] Speaker 2: they would support me and be a part of. And
[53:07] Speaker 2: they were all so excited. I remember when, I mean,
[53:09] Speaker 2: I'm just getting mistyad thinking about it. But the day
[53:12] Speaker 2: that I actually got all my paperwork in and it
[53:14] Speaker 2: came back and I'm in a legit business. I felt
[53:20] Speaker 2: my entire family, many generations around me, and it was
[53:24] Speaker 2: like a celebration that were all patting me. You know,
[53:28] Speaker 2: I mean, they were just like, you're doing it, you know,
[53:32] Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, you know this,
[53:34] Speaker 2: this means more to me than anything. And being able to,
[53:39] Speaker 2: you know, to help others because you know, I spent
[53:42] Speaker 2: thirty years in my life, thirty thirty plus years in
[53:46] Speaker 2: my life, living very selfishly and you know, for my
[53:50] Speaker 2: own means well, you know, I had a near death
[53:53] Speaker 2: experience in twenty sixteen. When I came back, I was like, roll.
[53:57] Speaker 2: The one thing I kept saying over and over was
[53:59] Speaker 2: I almost aft everything up. I kept saying that over
[54:02] Speaker 2: and over for like an hour, crying. I almost aft
[54:06] Speaker 2: everything up. And so you know, the time to better myself,
[54:12] Speaker 2: do the inner work, do the shadow work, and to
[54:15] Speaker 2: be able to understand that I've had these abilities, and
[54:19] Speaker 2: also that I can go into the shamanic realms now
[54:25] Speaker 2: and get the information, get messages, meet with people from
[54:31] Speaker 2: the spare world, and I want to be able to
[54:35] Speaker 2: teach people how to do this as well.
[54:38] Speaker 1: So you think about shamanic healing, maybe we could talk
[54:41] Speaker 1: a little bit more about that. What people can expect
[54:46] Speaker 1: if they are working with you for shamanic healings, well,
[54:51] Speaker 1: a lot of that.
[54:52] Speaker 2: Is with the shamanic healings that I use a lot
[54:54] Speaker 2: of animal helpers. Animal helpers, they usually come and introduce
[54:59] Speaker 2: them house to me. You do one right away, as
[55:02] Speaker 2: soon as you know, before I even meet the person
[55:05] Speaker 2: I am. You know, I have these animals. I do
[55:09] Speaker 2: a lot of meditative work. I do a lot of
[55:13] Speaker 2: work where I'm actually going into you know, the astral
[55:18] Speaker 2: where I'm now.
[55:18] Speaker 1: The animals are these physical animals that are showing up or.
[55:22] Speaker 2: These are animals that are connected to you, to the client.
[55:26] Speaker 2: So I mean, not everybody's gonna have like the same animals,
[55:30] Speaker 2: you know. And I think with the last one that
[55:32] Speaker 2: I had, there was this hummingbird, you know, and it
[55:35] Speaker 2: was just like me, me, me, me me, you know,
[55:38] Speaker 2: right in my faith, and I was like why, you know,
[55:41] Speaker 2: and they were actually had Usually I like to work
[55:43] Speaker 2: with three otherwise it gets to be kind of a lot.
[55:46] Speaker 2: But there was like a fourth animal that was like please,
[55:50] Speaker 2: you know, please, I want to be a part of it.
[55:53] Speaker 2: And so, you know, with the animals help, we're able
[55:58] Speaker 2: to go in and we're able to do a room
[56:00] Speaker 2: lead deep ancestral cleaning. And with those I get I'm
[56:06] Speaker 2: clear audience, so I hear things, I write it down.
[56:09] Speaker 2: I'm showing things, so I sketch that out. I mean,
[56:12] Speaker 2: I'm not the greatest artist in the world, but you
[56:16] Speaker 2: know what I mean, it'll look like it's supposed to.
[56:19] Speaker 2: And in doing this work, I've had people oh my gosh,
[56:24] Speaker 2: and they'll get They'll show me something that they do
[56:26] Speaker 2: five years ago and I have it on my paper,
[56:29] Speaker 2: you know. So I mean, it's not like I'm just
[56:31] Speaker 2: like coming up and pulling this out of the air.
[56:33] Speaker 2: You know, this is you, your abilities showing me. You
[56:39] Speaker 2: know that you still we all still have it. We
[56:43] Speaker 2: still haven't remembered we remember all of the the the
[56:47] Speaker 2: esp you know, we are all telepathic, we are all telekinetic,
[56:52] Speaker 2: we we are all remote viewers. We are all you know,
[56:55] Speaker 2: and you get these people that are like, well, I
[56:56] Speaker 2: have all these abilities, so I'm better than you. You know,
[56:59] Speaker 2: that's doesn't work that way. It's not going to be
[57:02] Speaker 2: that way, because we are all going to remember how
[57:06] Speaker 2: to use these abilities. But the best way to do
[57:09] Speaker 2: it is through you know, with the midday we when
[57:13] Speaker 2: society used with us, you know, which is you know,
[57:16] Speaker 2: you have meditation, you know, breath work, you know a
[57:20] Speaker 2: lot of the inner work, working on yourself and being
[57:23] Speaker 2: a better person. But it happens quickly. It's not like
[57:29] Speaker 2: I'm going to say, Okay, now I'm going to work
[57:30] Speaker 2: with you for this many months and then you know
[57:34] Speaker 2: after that be like, okay, let's get some more months,
[57:36] Speaker 2: and no, it's going to happen. You know, you're going
[57:38] Speaker 2: to be able to lose a dream, You're going to
[57:41] Speaker 2: be able to protect yourself and go into the shamanic
[57:44] Speaker 2: realms yourself. And you know, I know I have a
[57:47] Speaker 2: lot of people that are like, oh, you shouldn't be
[57:49] Speaker 2: teaching people that, you know why if they want to learn,
[57:53] Speaker 2: I would rather be able to show them the correct
[57:55] Speaker 2: way to do it safely than have them going off
[57:59] Speaker 2: and doing it on them.
[58:01] Speaker 1: Is there dangers if a person wants to have these
[58:05] Speaker 1: astral experiences? Are there dangers out there for them?
[58:09] Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, way more dangerous. I mean that was one
[58:11] Speaker 2: of the first things that my medicine man asked me.
[58:15] Speaker 2: His name was Sunfish. He was like you, He's like
[58:17] Speaker 2: when you go, He's like, what do you do? And
[58:22] Speaker 2: I was like, well, most of the time they come
[58:24] Speaker 2: and I just feel like I'm like a helium balloon,
[58:27] Speaker 2: like floating out of my body and I see myself
[58:30] Speaker 2: laying there. And then I go places, you know, and
[58:33] Speaker 2: I'm like flying in the sky with eagles and I'm
[58:35] Speaker 2: looking down and I'm seeing birds and fish and you know,
[58:38] Speaker 2: I mean.
[58:40] Speaker 1: It.
[58:42] Speaker 2: He's like, what are you doing to protect yourself? Though?
[58:44] Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, wow, protection, you know. And
[58:48] Speaker 2: I was still at that point really having a lot
[58:52] Speaker 2: of hard you know, things happened to me, you know,
[58:57] Speaker 2: really bad things happening, and and he was like, well,
[59:01] Speaker 2: you know you're not protecting yourself. So he showed me
[59:03] Speaker 2: how to, you know, protect myself. I have a medicine
[59:07] Speaker 2: bank on my person at all times, prayers and tens
[59:14] Speaker 2: and you know, planning it out is like, you know,
[59:18] Speaker 2: I have to do it every single time, you know.
[59:20] Speaker 2: And I want to be able to teach people how
[59:21] Speaker 2: to do this because it's really important, especially protecting yourself,
[59:24] Speaker 2: because there's so many things out there that you wouldn't
[59:28] Speaker 2: believe that would do anything to jump in and take
[59:32] Speaker 2: over your body.
[59:34] Speaker 1: Does electromagnetic frequencies Wi Fi technology Does this affect the
[59:42] Speaker 1: ability to access astral realms?
[59:47] Speaker 2: Now? No, I don't think so. I mean, I don't
[59:52] Speaker 2: turn my modem off at I you know, I mean,
[59:55] Speaker 2: my phone is charging in my room. I'm still able
[59:57] Speaker 2: to get where I need to go and get the messages.
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: You know. It's it's where you're Some people can be like, oh,
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: you know this is going to affect me, you know,
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: and then it affects you, you know. I mean, or
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: I maybe they partake in the Devil's lettice and they're like,
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: I just don't think I can do that, and it's like, well,
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: you know, you just told yourself you can't do it,
[1:00:20] Speaker 2: so of course you're not going to. You know. It's
[1:00:23] Speaker 2: it's all up here.
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: What should people be looking out for? What kind of
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: negative things are out there that could affect us?
[1:00:35] Speaker 2: Mm? Well, I know so that a lot of people
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: just don't have very good boundaries, you know. I mean
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: I didn't have very good boundaries. And I was like
[1:00:47] Speaker 2: I thought I was living in hunted houses my whole life.
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: You know. Here I was just leaving the door open
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: or the window open, and they were just crawling and going, hey,
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: you could see me, you know, hi, you know, and
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: it's like twelve oh one, going I'm trying, you know,
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: and having someone lean over me and go hey, right,
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: in my face. It's like, ah, you know, so, I mean,
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: boundaries are very important, you know, not only with the
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: living but with the non living. I've had to do
[1:01:17] Speaker 2: a lot of I had to actually pull in an
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: ARCon and a shadow being and like sit there across
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: from them, and I pulled in my my Guardian Warriors
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: and I'm sitting here and I'm like, now what, and
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: they're like just watch. So as I sat there and
[1:01:34] Speaker 2: across from these beings, I noticed that the shadow being
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: was trying to like meld into the Arkon because you know,
[1:01:43] Speaker 2: you can't have that fear. When you have that fear,
[1:01:46] Speaker 2: those things are going to pray on that fear. I
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: was like, I'm sitting there going well. As I was
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: watching them try to hold each other, I was realizing, Hey,
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: they're more scared of me than I am of them.
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: You know that high vibration is everything, you know, So
[1:02:03] Speaker 2: you have to live your life right. You know, you
[1:02:05] Speaker 2: can't be doing people dirty, or stealing or or hurting
[1:02:09] Speaker 2: others or breaking into houses or you know, and expect
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: these beings to like be frightened of you. They're going
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: to like align with you. They're gonna want to be
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: around you. They're gonna wait for you to have your
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: back turned and they'll jump in your body, no problem.
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: Tell us a bit about frequency scans and soul blueprint reports.
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: This is something that I actually sat down and did
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: it cretion, like what what do I want to know
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: and what do what knowledge can I share to help
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: people understand these So a lot of it is, you know, astrology,
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: some of it is numerology. I will if they're willing,
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: you know, uh, to get like send me prints of
[1:02:56] Speaker 2: your hand, you know, just take a picture of it.
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: I do. I read. I've been doing that for years
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: and I could never understand. I must have been a
[1:03:06] Speaker 2: gypsy and in a former life, because you know, I
[1:03:10] Speaker 2: am all about oracle cards, you know, and I was
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: even a blackjack dealer at tribal run casinos for years.
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: So cards are just I don't know, to me, they
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: show an opportunity for improvement for you know, a window
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: to be able to look into. This is who I
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: can become, This is what I need to do, This
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: is what I need to work on. So with the
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: frequency scan, you know, I mean, it'll come out, it'll
[1:03:44] Speaker 2: look you know, you can put it all together. They'll
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: be on pages, you can put it together, you can
[1:03:49] Speaker 2: frame it. It's beautiful, and usually with it, you know,
[1:03:54] Speaker 2: you can just get a report and then a book,
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: like I think it comes with thirty minutes. It's free
[1:04:01] Speaker 2: to be able to talk over a lot of the
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: things that are on the report. And also there is
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: another option where you can get the report and you
[1:04:10] Speaker 2: can also get forty five minutes of shamanic healing with it,
[1:04:15] Speaker 2: so you know that, I think it's like wrong. I
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: only do thirty thirty minutes to an hour, so forty
[1:04:23] Speaker 2: five minutes is just kind of like a promo price
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: add on for that. But yeah, most of the things
[1:04:30] Speaker 2: I like to do is just I don't know, just
[1:04:33] Speaker 2: I like working with people. I like understanding people, you know,
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: and being able to get this information to people that
[1:04:43] Speaker 2: are just really struggling, Like what is my life going
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: to be like in the next year. I think my
[1:04:50] Speaker 2: daughter's birthdays today and I promised her birthday reading, so
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: it's going to do like it's huge. I do like
[1:04:55] Speaker 2: these huge five deck readings about you know, what is
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: it going to be like for the year, for the
[1:05:02] Speaker 2: rest of the year right on.
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: If someone is interested in finding more about you, getting
[1:05:08] Speaker 1: a reading utilizing your services. What's the best way they
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: can do?
[1:05:12] Speaker 2: So? The best way. I have a website, so that
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: is the three ws thunder Rock Lodge dot com, and
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: email for my business is Eve at thunder Rock Lodge.
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: Thunder Rock Lodge is also on TikTok, It's on Instagram,
[1:05:35] Speaker 2: It's on Facebook, It's also on threads. I don't really like, uh,
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: what's the X yeah mix, Yeah, I have an account.
[1:05:48] Speaker 2: I every once in a five years I check into it.
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: But yeah, I wanted this to be accessible for everybody, Uh,
[1:05:59] Speaker 2: to be able to get the here, you know, to
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: be able to you know, there's just there's so many
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: different and healers out there. And I'm also too. I
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: had to get certified to work with this company, so
[1:06:14] Speaker 2: I actually went and got my reiki master certification. So
[1:06:17] Speaker 2: I'm also a reiki master as well as a shamanic healer.
[1:06:21] Speaker 2: I do animal reiki, which is one of my favorite
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: things to do because I prefer I'm not saying I
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: don't like working with humans. I just like animals a
[1:06:30] Speaker 2: lot better. They're more pure of heart. But working with
[1:06:35] Speaker 2: animals and doing also transitioning death doula, helping manifest animal guardians.
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: I helped this woman manifest her dog that had been
[1:06:46] Speaker 2: her animal guardians since the beginning of time back. It
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: was like this animal was everything. No, you know, we're
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: talking like birds, owls, you know, different types of animals
[1:06:57] Speaker 2: that this lifetime was a dog, and so we were able.
[1:07:01] Speaker 2: She manifested him down to the color the breed, picked
[1:07:06] Speaker 2: him up exactly the age that she wanted to pick
[1:07:09] Speaker 2: him up. Yeah, it was cool because there was like
[1:07:14] Speaker 2: this little green light that was following her all over
[1:07:17] Speaker 2: in every picture, and you know green is the hart chakra,
[1:07:20] Speaker 2: so you know, her animal guardian was with her the
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: entire time. You know, it was just like they kept saying,
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: you have to stop feeling guilty about this, you know,
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: let it go, forgive yourself. I can come back, but
[1:07:32] Speaker 2: you have to learn, you know, the lesson, which is forgiveness,
[1:07:37] Speaker 2: you know, forgiving yourself. And then it was he this
[1:07:41] Speaker 2: dog was like every morning I would wake up with
[1:07:44] Speaker 2: I think it's rested root on my way. That song
[1:07:48] Speaker 2: was in my head for weeks because he really wanted
[1:07:52] Speaker 2: his owner to understand that. You know, it was important
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: because she was feeling so much guilt over his passing
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: and he was like, you need to let it go.
[1:08:01] Speaker 1: You know.
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: I want to come back, but I can't come back
[1:08:03] Speaker 2: until you stop feeling guilty, you know. And when she
[1:08:06] Speaker 2: got past that, you know, she took me along well
[1:08:10] Speaker 2: not like physically, but like the video and pictures when
[1:08:13] Speaker 2: she went to go pick up her dog, and I
[1:08:15] Speaker 2: was like, it's the same one, same guardian. Wow. So yeah,
[1:08:21] Speaker 2: this month is animal month, So I am doing a
[1:08:24] Speaker 2: special so one. I think it's like one hour animal
[1:08:28] Speaker 2: reiki one fifty by one session, get a second one
[1:08:32] Speaker 2: totally free. So if you have two animals, or if
[1:08:34] Speaker 2: you you know, have one dog that you just like,
[1:08:37] Speaker 2: this is my dog, this is my child. You know,
[1:08:41] Speaker 2: I do a lot of working with animals.
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, excellently, Eve, Thank you so much. We will definitely
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: have to do this one again in the future. Your
[1:08:52] Speaker 1: website is one more time.
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: It is www dot thunder Rock Lodge.
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