# FKN Classics Double Feat! Stephen - Matrix Expansion | Julian Palmer - Psychedelic Beings

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 20 Aug 2026, 2 h 03 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
[0:07] Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Stephen Status.
[0:09] Speaker 1: He is host and producer of bgcast podcast. He has
[0:13] Speaker 1: dedicated his life to understanding the nature of human consciousness,
[0:17] Speaker 1: the nature of reality, true human origins, and the occult
[0:21] Speaker 1: nature of our governments.
[0:22] Speaker 2: And global establishments.
[0:24] Speaker 1: He has recently started a new business, BEG Body, Mind
[0:28] Speaker 1: and Spirit, where he offers life coaching, Kundalini yoga classes,
[0:33] Speaker 1: breathwork classes, total body mind spirit health programs, personal training,
[0:40] Speaker 1: and much more. Steven, welcome back. How you doing good man?
[0:45] Speaker 2: Thanks for having me back on. It's good to be
[0:47] Speaker 2: back on the show. And things have been rather interesting lately,
[0:51] Speaker 2: very very interesting and strange.
[0:53] Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I am definitely excited to get into
[0:57] Speaker 1: that as well as talk about your can you business.
[1:01] Speaker 1: Super excited about that, as well as some of the
[1:04] Speaker 1: modalities you're working with and going to be offering. You
[1:08] Speaker 1: also had a very profound experience with Mister Toad's Wild
[1:12] Speaker 1: Ride aka Buffo. Looking forward to hearing about that. I
[1:16] Speaker 1: myself have never experiences before. I might try it one day,
[1:21] Speaker 1: but I'd love to hear about your experience. Lots to
[1:24] Speaker 1: get to. Before we get to any of that, just
[1:26] Speaker 1: remind the audience a little bit about yourself and let
[1:29] Speaker 1: them know where they can find your show and more
[1:32] Speaker 1: about you.
[1:34] Speaker 2: Definitely, man, definitely.
[1:36] Speaker 3: So.
[1:36] Speaker 2: I'm Stephen of bgcast. I'm the owner of bg cast.
[1:39] Speaker 2: I'm part of the Forbidden Knowledge Network along with Chris here,
[1:42] Speaker 2: and we are a podcast that covers the Great Awakening
[1:46] Speaker 2: and everything it entails. I specialize in the nature of
[1:49] Speaker 2: human consciousness, the nature of this reality, true human origins,
[1:56] Speaker 2: the occult nature of our governments and global lablishments. I
[2:00] Speaker 2: also specialize in psychedelics and Kundalini yoga. So I'm very
[2:05] Speaker 2: very well rounded, a jack of all trades here. So
[2:08] Speaker 2: and uh yeah, it's it's been an interesting ride to
[2:11] Speaker 2: say it right right on.
[2:12] Speaker 1: Well, before we get into your recent experiences and talking
[2:18] Speaker 1: about what you're offering people now at your business, how
[2:21] Speaker 1: do you feel about how everything has been unfolding, political theater,
[2:26] Speaker 1: the breakdown of sanity within society, AI taking over our
[2:32] Speaker 1: social media and complete lives. What are your thoughts on everything?
[2:39] Speaker 2: Well, this is all you know. What I can really
[2:41] Speaker 2: say about it, Chris is this is we are in
[2:44] Speaker 2: a very strange unknown and uncharted territory for this current
[2:49] Speaker 2: batch of humanity we we have entered. And it's even
[2:54] Speaker 2: crazy too, man, because I've been I do think we're
[2:58] Speaker 2: getting some kind of one hundredth monkey backed out of
[3:00] Speaker 2: all of this too, Because as of lately, man, I've
[3:03] Speaker 2: been having people you would consider asleep, people you consider
[3:08] Speaker 2: normies coming up to me and asking me, does everything
[3:12] Speaker 2: feel fake to you?
[3:14] Speaker 3: Does?
[3:14] Speaker 2: Does everything? Does time feel off? Does everything? And of course,
[3:18] Speaker 2: on the inside I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
[3:21] Speaker 2: this is awesome, but you know, I'm playing at koy.
[3:23] Speaker 2: On the outside, I'm like, oh, oh, what do you mean, Explain? Explain.
[3:26] Speaker 2: But I feel we're getting pushed, We're getting compressed, we're
[3:30] Speaker 2: getting nudged to awaken, you know, in a collective sense
[3:35] Speaker 2: as well. I mean, you know, some of the stuff
[3:37] Speaker 2: that we're seeing going down is at least in my opinion,
[3:40] Speaker 2: is so blatantly either staged or doctored. It's becoming very,
[3:45] Speaker 2: very obvious. And at this point, I think it's only
[3:49] Speaker 2: a matter of time before we start having more people
[3:52] Speaker 2: asking the question, does everything feel fake to you? What's
[3:56] Speaker 2: going on with time? Why does everything feel like a show?
[3:59] Speaker 2: Because ultimately it is man. So as of right now,
[4:02] Speaker 2: we're just in a very strange, unknown and uncharted territory.
[4:05] Speaker 1: I wonder how much is actually a show in a
[4:08] Speaker 1: sense that it is thought out, it is planned, its
[4:13] Speaker 1: theater for the masses, And how much is actually synchronistic
[4:20] Speaker 1: surfing in a sense that there is a level of
[4:24] Speaker 1: awareness of the desired outcome that the parasitic ruling class
[4:31] Speaker 1: as you would call it, wants to have. So maybe
[4:34] Speaker 1: there's some ritualistic aspects behind things, Maybe there's a series
[4:40] Speaker 1: of events that they have to follow in order to
[4:42] Speaker 1: get a certain outcome. But I wonder how much of
[4:45] Speaker 1: it is actually known to the players involved, especially politicians,
[4:52] Speaker 1: people at lower levels. It works together too well at times,
[4:57] Speaker 1: it seems for it to be playing and buy humans
[5:01] Speaker 1: in a sense, what do you think?
[5:05] Speaker 2: I know what you mean? So, so I honestly feel
[5:08] Speaker 2: it's a culmination of things. It very well could be.
[5:11] Speaker 2: One of the things I would I would say in
[5:13] Speaker 2: this is we can't discount the work that we've been
[5:17] Speaker 2: doing in altering the energy and our collective consciousness. So
[5:22] Speaker 2: one of the big reasons why we're here, at least
[5:26] Speaker 2: in my opinion, is we are here through our work
[5:29] Speaker 2: that we're doing, whether we're doing podcasting, I mean, all
[5:31] Speaker 2: of us are on our spiritual evolution for the most part.
[5:34] Speaker 2: You know, we're doing the healing, we're doing the inner work,
[5:36] Speaker 2: we're doing consciousness exploration. We're opening ourselves up to these
[5:41] Speaker 2: different and bigger layers.
[5:43] Speaker 3: All right.
[5:43] Speaker 2: And that's one of the things I like to say.
[5:45] Speaker 2: You know a lot of people say pierce the veil,
[5:47] Speaker 2: and you know, one of the biggest things I can say,
[5:50] Speaker 2: if there's more than one veil in this whole, in
[5:52] Speaker 2: this whole thing, you know, there's many layers to the illusion.
[5:55] Speaker 2: And as you open yourself up more, you start to
[5:58] Speaker 2: see these new layers. You start to kind of break
[6:01] Speaker 2: through into this and you'll get new information, and you know,
[6:05] Speaker 2: we're here to terraform the frequencies of this planet. We
[6:08] Speaker 2: are through our spiritual work, and I do think we
[6:11] Speaker 2: also have a hand in potentially some of the stuff
[6:13] Speaker 2: that's happening as well. You know, one, through our free will,
[6:17] Speaker 2: we accept a lot of what's going on, we allow
[6:20] Speaker 2: it to but through terraforming this planet into the higher frequencies,
[6:25] Speaker 2: we're going to set the stage for more of what
[6:27] Speaker 2: I would call these awakening events to start to occur
[6:31] Speaker 2: and start to manifest. So I do think we have
[6:34] Speaker 2: a hand in it. I you know, as far as
[6:37] Speaker 2: it being too coordinated to be staged, I mean, there
[6:40] Speaker 2: could very well be an extra dimensional presence that's involved
[6:44] Speaker 2: that's kind of assisting in this the at least in
[6:48] Speaker 2: my opinion. I mean, what it is or who it is,
[6:50] Speaker 2: we can speculate all day long. But you know, some
[6:54] Speaker 2: of it does seem to cut and dry to be staged.
[6:57] Speaker 2: But then again, you know, you and I were talking
[6:58] Speaker 2: about on the FKA panel, how you know that whole
[7:01] Speaker 2: Elon and Trump fight, you know what I mean, how
[7:04] Speaker 2: they were going off and behind the Steanes pallateer. Uh,
[7:08] Speaker 2: you know, put in that mass surveillance system or the
[7:11] Speaker 2: mass surveillance program for you know, American citizens, and we
[7:15] Speaker 2: know that they're working for enemy surveillance. So that kind
[7:19] Speaker 2: of makes you wonder. So I think it's really it's
[7:21] Speaker 2: it's it's a little bit of a culmination of things. Man,
[7:24] Speaker 2: it's us, you know, the work we're doing here. You know,
[7:27] Speaker 2: people accepting narratives and ideologies through their own free will,
[7:31] Speaker 2: and when you have uh, the way these parasit those
[7:35] Speaker 2: parasitsitic ruling class works. Is when you have enough people
[7:40] Speaker 2: buy into this ideology, this trend, thought of this narrative,
[7:43] Speaker 2: it makes it easier for them to manifest it and
[7:46] Speaker 2: make it come forth. So so really it's to me,
[7:50] Speaker 2: you know, well, guess everything might be fake and gay.
[7:52] Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. You know, like that's that that
[7:54] Speaker 2: is that is something that is a possibility here. I
[7:58] Speaker 2: think it's not as black and white as maybe everything
[8:00] Speaker 2: is staged. But I would say, you know, I'm gonna
[8:03] Speaker 2: borrow a line from a friend of mine. Actually not
[8:07] Speaker 2: everything is a si oup of most things.
[8:09] Speaker 1: Right on, let's opinion, No, I gotcha. Let's demystify manifestation
[8:16] Speaker 1: for a bit, because this is such a popular topic
[8:20] Speaker 1: and it's dismissed quite often still, people will just dismiss
[8:25] Speaker 1: it as some kind of woo woo concept that new
[8:29] Speaker 1: age folks are bringing to the table. But I've experienced
[8:33] Speaker 1: it way too much. It is too real for me
[8:37] Speaker 1: to dismiss any of it. And I've heard this from
[8:42] Speaker 1: many people recently that they are experiencing huge levels of
[8:48] Speaker 1: manifestation in their lives as well. And I wonder if
[8:53] Speaker 1: our awareness of things may be a trigger of this.
[8:57] Speaker 1: The collective awareness of things happened in twenty twenty, the
[9:01] Speaker 1: series of events that followed, and this quote unquote awakening
[9:06] Speaker 1: in general maybe having an effect on our ability to
[9:10] Speaker 1: manifest things. I can look at things in my own
[9:14] Speaker 1: life all day long and be amazed. But I can
[9:16] Speaker 1: also look at things in other people's lives that are
[9:20] Speaker 1: starting to come to the forefront, especially when they put
[9:25] Speaker 1: creative effort into it, especially when they put conscious effort
[9:29] Speaker 1: into what they're trying to manifest. It is so powerful
[9:33] Speaker 1: right now. It seems that this is a very powerful
[9:36] Speaker 1: time to start attempting to manifest things. And I was
[9:40] Speaker 1: I was telling Jennifer a joke that even Corey has
[9:44] Speaker 1: manifested so much. Look how many people are wary of
[9:47] Speaker 1: the Jews.
[9:48] Speaker 2: Now, I'm sure he's I'm sure he's loving that. I'm
[9:54] Speaker 2: sure he's loving that honestly. Man, But no, I have
[9:58] Speaker 2: to be careful because you know, you know everybody, because
[10:01] Speaker 2: you know, since Israel past that thing where you can't
[10:02] Speaker 2: criticize it, I have to now call it the uh
[10:05] Speaker 2: the small country in the eastern Mediterranean if I want
[10:08] Speaker 2: to start questioning it. But uh, but really, man, demystifying manifestation.
[10:13] Speaker 2: You know. So this is the biggest thing is there's
[10:16] Speaker 2: so much proof and evidence out there for it, especially
[10:21] Speaker 2: in in what we would call the consensual science world.
[10:24] Speaker 2: Uh that you know, people just aren't looking for it.
[10:28] Speaker 2: I think honestly, they're they're it's it's a fight within themselves,
[10:33] Speaker 2: you know, to to maybe accept or maybe they're not
[10:36] Speaker 2: accepting this potential what we would call this magical aspect
[10:40] Speaker 2: of this reality. And it really comes down to the ego,
[10:44] Speaker 2: preconceived notions man and subconscious and conscious conditioning that we've
[10:48] Speaker 2: experienced since we were birth into this planetary existence. And
[10:53] Speaker 2: really the best way I can demystify it for those
[10:55] Speaker 2: who are like really on the fence or those who
[10:57] Speaker 2: really want a lot of evidence. I know I've probably
[11:00] Speaker 2: this ad nauseum on your show, but I mean, for
[11:02] Speaker 2: Fox's sake, quantum physics pan psychism, the theory of pan
[11:07] Speaker 2: psychism in quantum physics, Okay, guys, if mainstream physicists are
[11:12] Speaker 2: talking about this, okay, you know, for the people who
[11:17] Speaker 2: need the hard evidence, you know, who want to see
[11:20] Speaker 2: the studies and they want to see the theories. If
[11:23] Speaker 2: quantum physics has a theory called pan psychism, where consciousness
[11:27] Speaker 2: is the prima materia of this existence. Okay, everything stems
[11:31] Speaker 2: from consciousness. You know, the wave function the universe has
[11:35] Speaker 2: to be observed in order to exist. Okay, So for
[11:40] Speaker 2: the people who really want heard evidence on this, go
[11:43] Speaker 2: look at the theory of panpsychism. Go look at the
[11:46] Speaker 2: experience experiments on consciousness. Okay, there's plenty of them. I mean, shoot,
[11:51] Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong on the date. I know
[11:53] Speaker 2: there was a Geneva convention. It was either in the
[11:55] Speaker 2: earlier the late forties, where Tesla Einstein a lot of
[11:59] Speaker 2: the rates actually sat down and they talked about how
[12:03] Speaker 2: this is strange because when somebody's running a scientific experiment,
[12:07] Speaker 2: depending on who's observing the experiment will dictate the results
[12:11] Speaker 2: of the experiment. That seems a little lot. And if
[12:13] Speaker 2: nobody's observing the experiment, you get a whole different set
[12:17] Speaker 2: of results. So so I'll digress, and I'll say this
[12:19] Speaker 2: that you know, there's tons of hard evidence out there
[12:23] Speaker 2: that a lot of people, even in the scientific field,
[12:26] Speaker 2: are starting to take in the fact that we might
[12:29] Speaker 2: be living in a consciousness based reality. And you know,
[12:33] Speaker 2: this reality must be consciousness first, and the experience second.
[12:38] Speaker 2: You need the consciousness in order to have that experience. So,
[12:41] Speaker 2: with that being said, if we do live in a
[12:46] Speaker 2: existence where consciousness is the prima materia, we know that
[12:50] Speaker 2: your mental faculties are going to interact and actually be
[12:55] Speaker 2: a set of tools when it comes to your perceived
[12:58] Speaker 2: physical experience or perceived external experience. Right. So we know
[13:04] Speaker 2: that energy goes, where the energy goes, where the focus goes.
[13:07] Speaker 2: That's something we talk about in the spiritual community a
[13:10] Speaker 2: lot and on our spiritual evolution, all right, And this
[13:13] Speaker 2: is all how manifestation works, plain and simple. We live
[13:16] Speaker 2: in a consciousness based reality. Your mental faculties interact with
[13:21] Speaker 2: your perceived external experience. Your perspective of your experience is
[13:27] Speaker 2: going to dictate the outcome that you have in set experience. So,
[13:31] Speaker 2: if you are keeping yourself in a positive mind state,
[13:35] Speaker 2: right and you are in taking good content, you want
[13:38] Speaker 2: to manifest a joyful, abundant life for yourself. The first
[13:42] Speaker 2: thing you need to do is you need to have
[13:44] Speaker 2: a positive mindset. And this also boils down even to
[13:47] Speaker 2: the ancient Vedic traditions and the ancient Vedic sciences. You know,
[13:52] Speaker 2: the number one thing for staying healthy forever. An ancient
[13:54] Speaker 2: Vada science is having a positive mindset. So these three
[13:57] Speaker 2: things are like a trifecta. We understand a consciousness premium
[14:01] Speaker 2: materia of this reality, our mental faculties interact with our
[14:04] Speaker 2: perceived physical experience, and our perspective is going to ultimately
[14:08] Speaker 2: be the tool that chisels the experience that we have here.
[14:12] Speaker 2: And so when you put these three things together, you
[14:15] Speaker 2: have the power and the ability to manifest I mean
[14:17] Speaker 2: you can just look at this right here. And then
[14:20] Speaker 2: even another thing too, I kind of bring up in
[14:22] Speaker 2: this for all the people who think this is woo woo,
[14:25] Speaker 2: just look at the place ebo and the no sebo effects. Okay,
[14:30] Speaker 2: And these are the two biggest hardest pieces of evidence
[14:35] Speaker 2: that are available to us. There's tons of studies on them,
[14:38] Speaker 2: you know, tons of evidence when it comes to them
[14:41] Speaker 2: that we either have the ability to heal or harm ourselves, okay,
[14:47] Speaker 2: based on our perspective when it comes to a medical situation. Okay,
[14:51] Speaker 2: So this is kind of an example of manifestation right there.
[14:55] Speaker 2: You know what I mean, You're manifesting a positive outcome
[14:59] Speaker 2: from a medic situation based on your perspective, or you're
[15:03] Speaker 2: manifesting a negative outcome in a medical situation based on
[15:08] Speaker 2: your perspective. So I mean again again, you know and
[15:12] Speaker 2: also too, so how would you manifest? And this is
[15:14] Speaker 2: this is this is a tried and true method. It's
[15:17] Speaker 2: a basic one. It's actually a very old one. It
[15:20] Speaker 2: goes back for a very long time. And of course
[15:24] Speaker 2: a lot of people have their different ones. I have
[15:26] Speaker 2: different ones I utilize. But the the head, heart and hands,
[15:29] Speaker 2: it's very very simple method. Man. You know, you think
[15:33] Speaker 2: about what you want in your mind and then you
[15:37] Speaker 2: bring your heart into that alignment. You feel with your
[15:41] Speaker 2: heart that you truly want this. Because here's the thing.
[15:45] Speaker 2: The universe, slash, the divine is. It wants to help
[15:49] Speaker 2: you succeed. It wants you to be happy. It wants
[15:52] Speaker 2: you to trust it. That is the number one thing.
[15:55] Speaker 2: And uh and then you're the third part. Your hands.
[15:58] Speaker 2: Now your hands. It can be literal hands if you
[16:02] Speaker 2: need to build it, you need to work to get there,
[16:05] Speaker 2: or it can be metaphorical. You know, it can be
[16:08] Speaker 2: figurative with your hands. You know, there's more ways to
[16:10] Speaker 2: use the hands than just in a physical context. So
[16:14] Speaker 2: this is a tried and true method. And I guarantee
[16:17] Speaker 2: you if you develop the understanding that this is a
[16:19] Speaker 2: consciousness based reality, your mental faculties interact with your perceived
[16:24] Speaker 2: external experience. You keep a positive perspective, and you keep
[16:29] Speaker 2: yourself in that head, heart and hands alignment, You're going
[16:32] Speaker 2: to manifest whatever you want. And I think, really, what
[16:35] Speaker 2: a lot of people get into it is there's this
[16:38] Speaker 2: deception going around with instant manifestation. Now, is instant manifestation possible? Yes,
[16:44] Speaker 2: it is. I've done it a couple of times on accident.
[16:47] Speaker 2: I have not mastered it, you know, or anything like that.
[16:50] Speaker 2: But the thing about manifestation is it takes focus and energy.
[16:54] Speaker 2: You have to put that focus and that energy into
[16:57] Speaker 2: what you're trying to manifest. I mean great examples. When
[17:00] Speaker 2: I started the show, I started reaching out to everybody
[17:04] Speaker 2: I could shoot. I even reached out to people who
[17:06] Speaker 2: I know would not accept coming on the show because
[17:09] Speaker 2: I had like two three followers at the time. But
[17:11] Speaker 2: I still put out all of my energy and all
[17:14] Speaker 2: of my focus into building this and look at where
[17:16] Speaker 2: it is today. So it is, and I think people
[17:20] Speaker 2: it's that instant gratification Chris, like they you know, even
[17:24] Speaker 2: when it comes to manifestation here in the third density,
[17:27] Speaker 2: you're gonna have a little bit of a delay. It
[17:29] Speaker 2: just is what it is. We have a delay here.
[17:31] Speaker 2: So that would be my way to demystifying manifestation, Chris,
[17:35] Speaker 2: because there's a lot of I mean, dude, it's it's
[17:37] Speaker 2: we're now at the plethora of evidence and theories showcasing
[17:42] Speaker 2: that we are in a consciousness based reality, and it's
[17:45] Speaker 2: all there. It's in Scientific American Science, it's in the
[17:48] Speaker 2: scientific journal Scientific American, it's in the scientific journal Nature,
[17:53] Speaker 2: every kind of hard source. Anybody wants to see, it's there.
[17:56] Speaker 2: They just need to look for it.
[17:57] Speaker 1: There's obviously a collective change that's occurred in society around
[18:04] Speaker 1: the planet after the events of twenty twenty. Folks like
[18:09] Speaker 1: yourself and I that have eyes to see can look
[18:13] Speaker 1: back at everything and say, conflict and collective trauma has
[18:19] Speaker 1: essentially caused an awakening in most people. We talked before
[18:25] Speaker 1: about how there may be this greater force that is
[18:29] Speaker 1: attempting a now chemical transformation of humanity, and the only
[18:34] Speaker 1: way that that can occur is collective trauma, putting us
[18:38] Speaker 1: through these conflicts and forcing growth from our consciousness because
[18:45] Speaker 1: it seems that for the longest time we were comfortable,
[18:48] Speaker 1: there was nothing like COVID. There was nothing like what
[18:52] Speaker 1: we're experiencing now, at least in our lifetimes. We have
[18:56] Speaker 1: this massive shakeup and people start to become a air
[19:00] Speaker 1: of things and everything starts to change. That again, is
[19:04] Speaker 1: one of the greater questions. Was this the cause of
[19:08] Speaker 1: some greater force? Was it the collective consciousness? Do the
[19:12] Speaker 1: parasitic ruling class have any idea what they've started and
[19:17] Speaker 1: the ramifications of everything. It's actually many questions, but it
[19:22] Speaker 1: seems to be all connected.
[19:25] Speaker 2: I would completely agree. Man. So here's the thing, and
[19:27] Speaker 2: this is the thing I've learned in the now shoot
[19:30] Speaker 2: almost now, going on eighteen years of my spiritual evolution.
[19:35] Speaker 2: Trauma and intensely emotional situations equal spiritual alchemy. Now we
[19:42] Speaker 2: look at the subjective experience that we have and the
[19:46] Speaker 2: healing that we do. You know a lot of us
[19:48] Speaker 2: who you know who are on our spiritual evolutions. We've
[19:50] Speaker 2: we've we've gone through some of the darkest depths that
[19:53] Speaker 2: this existence has to offer. Man, you know, we've been
[19:56] Speaker 2: we've been through some of the darkest things, the darkest situations.
[19:59] Speaker 2: I mean, shit, I spent time in jail. I almost
[20:03] Speaker 2: died a few times. I mean, I can't tell you.
[20:06] Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many people I talk to
[20:09] Speaker 2: who are on their spiritual evolution that they've been through
[20:11] Speaker 2: the deepest, darkest moundy as depths that this existence has
[20:14] Speaker 2: to offer. But look at what those depths did to them.
[20:18] Speaker 2: It transformed them, It pushed them towards the light. And
[20:22] Speaker 2: that's why I talk about a lot of my shows
[20:24] Speaker 2: the reciprocative relationship between Lucifer and Christ. You know, when
[20:30] Speaker 2: you look at Lucifer as the tester of humanity, he
[20:33] Speaker 2: wants to test us and he wants to put us
[20:35] Speaker 2: through trials. And you know, we as humanity, we go
[20:38] Speaker 2: through these tests, in these trials, and we get compressed,
[20:41] Speaker 2: we get spread thin, wow, you know, we get trauma.
[20:45] Speaker 2: You know, we are almost through these difficult times. We
[20:49] Speaker 2: are forged into this awakened state, and then we look
[20:53] Speaker 2: towards the light. We start to look towards the divine
[20:56] Speaker 2: and some people say it's Christ if you want to
[20:58] Speaker 2: call it that or whatever it is. I mean, we
[21:01] Speaker 2: get pushed there, and we're even talking about on a
[21:04] Speaker 2: subjective level. Now, you know, the thing about humans is
[21:06] Speaker 2: this is how we learn, This is how we grow.
[21:09] Speaker 2: We have to face obstacles, we have to face struggles.
[21:13] Speaker 2: And I even brought up this philosophical question. Now, let's say,
[21:17] Speaker 2: and I'm not talking about the spiritual realms when I
[21:20] Speaker 2: say this, because I know a lot of people want
[21:22] Speaker 2: to say this. The first thing is, well, in the
[21:23] Speaker 2: spiritual realms, it can be that way, but no, we're
[21:26] Speaker 2: talking about here in the physical realms, the human experience.
[21:29] Speaker 2: If you were born into peace and all you ever
[21:34] Speaker 2: knew was peace and bliss, could you even learn or
[21:40] Speaker 2: even grasp the concept of appreciating it? Could you and that?
[21:44] Speaker 2: And that is actually one of the biggest thing, you know,
[21:46] Speaker 2: a philosophical question that I asked, because if you're born
[21:50] Speaker 2: into something and it's all you know and you know
[21:52] Speaker 2: nothing else, you know by you know, you can't truly
[21:57] Speaker 2: grasp what it means to appreciate, you can't true grasp
[22:00] Speaker 2: what it means to grow. So so that's why this
[22:04] Speaker 2: is the way humanity learns, you know, they they we
[22:08] Speaker 2: have to learn through being compressed, We have to learn
[22:11] Speaker 2: through going through struggles. This is what causes that, not
[22:14] Speaker 2: just subjective spiritual alchemy, but also the collective spiritual alchemy.
[22:19] Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I did the parasite class have
[22:21] Speaker 2: a hand in it? I mean yeah, I think there's
[22:24] Speaker 2: you know, there there's a you know, one of the
[22:27] Speaker 2: biggest things we understand on our spiritual evolution, and this
[22:30] Speaker 2: is still a tough pill for a lot of our
[22:32] Speaker 2: conscious collective to swallow, is both sides of the polarity
[22:37] Speaker 2: spectrum ultimately service creation.
[22:41] Speaker 3: You know, when.
[22:41] Speaker 2: We're when when we're talking about when we're talking about
[22:44] Speaker 2: the divine, the all is mind, Okay, it is non dualistic,
[22:50] Speaker 2: all right, And and you know, we I feel like
[22:52] Speaker 2: in our community, we still still a lot of people
[22:54] Speaker 2: try to compartmentalize things into the two boxes absolute good
[22:58] Speaker 2: or absolute evil, and ultimately what they're still failing to
[23:02] Speaker 2: realize is that both these boxes service the divine, they
[23:06] Speaker 2: service the universe, they service the creation. It's part of
[23:09] Speaker 2: the human whether it's an experiment and experience whatever we're
[23:13] Speaker 2: facing down here. And I know, I know there's a
[23:16] Speaker 2: lot of people who are like, well, you know, what
[23:18] Speaker 2: about the children, And I understand that, but that that's
[23:21] Speaker 2: also you know that catalyzed your awakening? Did it not
[23:26] Speaker 2: once you've found out about that negative thing that existed.
[23:31] Speaker 2: You woke up and you started to learn, did you not.
[23:34] Speaker 2: So in that sense, even though it is not a
[23:37] Speaker 2: great thing that's happening in that case, I don't condone
[23:40] Speaker 2: it at all. It ultimately contributed it to the growth
[23:44] Speaker 2: of humanity for them to learn and to become aware
[23:47] Speaker 2: of this, you know, because now they want to we
[23:49] Speaker 2: want to put a stop now that now that we're
[23:51] Speaker 2: aware of it, we can put a stop to it,
[23:52] Speaker 2: you know, and so like, and that's why I think, honestly,
[23:56] Speaker 2: like you're saying, you know, yes, there's a greater forest
[23:58] Speaker 2: play here, most definitely, and I think it co opts
[24:01] Speaker 2: both sides of the polarity spectrum, from what we would
[24:05] Speaker 2: call the light and what we would call the dark,
[24:07] Speaker 2: to work together to cause this collective spiritual alchemy that
[24:12] Speaker 2: we're undergoing. That's exactly what I do think is happening.
[24:16] Speaker 1: It's such a special time and like I was saying earlier,
[24:20] Speaker 1: now is definitely a time for folks like us to
[24:23] Speaker 1: get out there and create and bring something to the table, because,
[24:28] Speaker 1: as I say all the time, each and every one
[24:31] Speaker 1: of us has that one thing to offer the rest
[24:34] Speaker 1: of the planet, the one useful thing that we can do,
[24:38] Speaker 1: or many useful things. But everybody, I believe has at
[24:41] Speaker 1: least that one special thing that they can bring to
[24:44] Speaker 1: the table. But I want to hear your recent experience
[24:48] Speaker 1: with mister Toad's wild ride. First of all, for those
[24:52] Speaker 1: that may not be familiar, tell us about this compound.
[24:57] Speaker 2: So, guys, buffo, I'll so, I know a lot of
[25:02] Speaker 2: you out there have probably heard of mushrooms which have
[25:06] Speaker 2: actually psilocybin. The technical molecular name for psilocybin is four
[25:11] Speaker 2: h O d m T. Sounds familiar, you guys. A
[25:16] Speaker 2: lot of you have heard of d MT out there. So,
[25:19] Speaker 2: and then we have regular d MT, uh, you know,
[25:21] Speaker 2: which is very familiar. Of course, you know, Joe Rogan
[25:24] Speaker 2: has popularized it. A few other people have popularized, uh,
[25:28] Speaker 2: you know, the use of d MT to achieve altered
[25:30] Speaker 2: states of consciousness. But there is another compound that is
[25:35] Speaker 2: kind of trumps them all, you know, and that is
[25:38] Speaker 2: five m e oh d m T trump DMT five
[25:42] Speaker 2: and trump did the enlightened don But but uh, but
[25:47] Speaker 2: what was I gonna say?
[25:48] Speaker 3: But no?
[25:48] Speaker 2: And five M O d MT. We do produce it
[25:51] Speaker 2: in our bodies like d MT uh, but just not
[25:54] Speaker 2: in as large amounts as we produce in dogenous n
[25:58] Speaker 2: M d MT, and it actually found it's found in
[26:02] Speaker 2: ayahasca and trace amounts. You know, a lot of the
[26:05] Speaker 2: mimosa plants and mosastillis and the other plants they put
[26:08] Speaker 2: into the ayahasca brew have trace amounts of five meo
[26:12] Speaker 2: d MT. And then you have Yopo seeds, the yopo
[26:16] Speaker 2: the shamanic snuff from the Amazon, and those seeds are
[26:19] Speaker 2: actually a combination of regular NMD d MT, five meo
[26:25] Speaker 2: d MT and buffotinine, which is actually another form of
[26:28] Speaker 2: d MT. It's a lesser known form, but the buffo
[26:32] Speaker 2: al varius frog is actually one of the best sources
[26:37] Speaker 2: to get pure straight five me eo d MT. And
[26:42] Speaker 2: you know, I remember it was always funny, Chris, because
[26:46] Speaker 2: when I had the experience, I'll just say this up front,
[26:48] Speaker 2: it felt like every psychedelic experience I had had before
[26:52] Speaker 2: that was training me for that moment. That was it
[26:56] Speaker 2: was a weird sense of deja voo going into it.
[27:00] Speaker 2: And you know my opinion on this compound before I
[27:03] Speaker 2: ever did it, because I write up on it, and
[27:05] Speaker 2: you know, I read a few experience reports and things
[27:09] Speaker 2: like that, just seeing how profoundly powerful it is. You know,
[27:13] Speaker 2: I decided that I would not seek it and I
[27:15] Speaker 2: would let it find me when the time is right.
[27:18] Speaker 2: That was kind of my mentality on it, because I
[27:20] Speaker 2: was I could see from the get go it was
[27:23] Speaker 2: just such a sacred, spiritual experience. I wanted to make
[27:27] Speaker 2: sure that I was ready to embark on something that
[27:32] Speaker 2: sacred and lo and behold, it found me. It found me.
[27:35] Speaker 2: So I have a friend who is a facilitator for
[27:38] Speaker 2: the compound, and she is a trained shopman in the compound,
[27:43] Speaker 2: and she came out here. She reached out to me
[27:46] Speaker 2: originally six months ago and told me she was coming
[27:49] Speaker 2: out here for psychedelic Science in Denver for maps, and
[27:53] Speaker 2: she asked if I wanted to give it a go,
[27:56] Speaker 2: and I said, okay, it found me. It must be
[28:01] Speaker 2: meant to be. So I said, sure, I'll start preparing myself.
[28:04] Speaker 2: And it was about six months of preparation.
[28:06] Speaker 3: Man.
[28:07] Speaker 2: I did a lot of healing. I did a lot
[28:08] Speaker 2: of shadow work, you know, I did some shadow work
[28:12] Speaker 2: Kundalini Koreas to kind of get my subtle body ready
[28:15] Speaker 2: for the experience and you know, we last Sunday we
[28:19] Speaker 2: drove out to lock loanmand here in Colorado found a
[28:22] Speaker 2: fresh spot in the woods and which was really cool.
[28:26] Speaker 2: We like sat in a little portal. We were surrounded
[28:28] Speaker 2: by trees with this open area where the sun was
[28:30] Speaker 2: beating down and had a built in altar. It was
[28:32] Speaker 2: super cool and it was perfect. And so basically, the
[28:36] Speaker 2: one thing I will say about this compound is the
[28:39] Speaker 2: ceremony of it adds to it for sure. The blessings,
[28:43] Speaker 2: the indigenous prayers, you know, the clearing of the space
[28:48] Speaker 2: definitely sets the tone for it. So that's why I would, honestly,
[28:51] Speaker 2: if you're gonna try this compound, I recommend you doing
[28:53] Speaker 2: it in a ceremonial setting. Absolutely. I don't care how
[28:56] Speaker 2: experienced you are with psychedelics, because what I'm about to
[28:58] Speaker 2: tell you, you're gonna want to be in a cool
[29:01] Speaker 2: setting for this. And so basically how it went down
[29:04] Speaker 2: is I had three doses. I had three doses total,
[29:09] Speaker 2: each dose thirty milligrams, so ninety milligrams total for the
[29:13] Speaker 2: whole experience. And it was.
[29:17] Speaker 1: How are you how are you taking? Are you ingesting?
[29:22] Speaker 2: You're actually you're vaping it out. So basically what you do.
[29:28] Speaker 2: What you do is you do this breath work beforehand
[29:31] Speaker 2: to relax your vagus nerve and your parasympathetic nervous system.
[29:35] Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a and you do ten
[29:39] Speaker 2: of these breaths right and at the tenth breath, she
[29:42] Speaker 2: holds the vapor up to you and she starts to
[29:44] Speaker 2: light it, and then you start to inhale it very slowly,
[29:49] Speaker 2: like slower than you would take a long hit, slower
[29:51] Speaker 2: than you would smoke any inhale any kind of smoke.
[29:53] Speaker 2: You have to inhale it very slowly, and she counts
[29:57] Speaker 2: to twenty as you inhale, and then after the twentieth
[30:02] Speaker 2: twentieth us second, she says, pull, pull, pull the rest
[30:04] Speaker 2: and you'll hold it in. You'll hold your nose and
[30:06] Speaker 2: you got to hold it in for ten seconds and
[30:09] Speaker 2: then you'll drop back onto the pillow and you'll get
[30:11] Speaker 2: cascaded into the experience. So funny enough, my first dose,
[30:18] Speaker 2: I was ten seconds in before I already started feeling it,
[30:21] Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my goodness. I was like,
[30:23] Speaker 2: am I even gonna make it to the twenty seconds?
[30:25] Speaker 2: So I just pushed it. I pushed, and I pushed
[30:27] Speaker 2: and I pushed, and then I took the final pull,
[30:31] Speaker 2: and I held my nose and I laid back onto
[30:33] Speaker 2: the pillow. And this was the experience of the first dose.
[30:38] Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a way to describe being peacefully, delicately,
[30:44] Speaker 2: gently and tactfully disassembled and obliterated by the divine Source,
[30:48] Speaker 2: but that's probably the best way that I can describe it.
[30:53] Speaker 2: The person who was Stephen was no more, My attachments
[30:57] Speaker 2: were no more, the memory of my human existence were
[31:02] Speaker 2: no more, and I was a pure source being and
[31:09] Speaker 2: I merged with source consciousness. And I had the perspective
[31:17] Speaker 2: as if I was source consciousness, which is very hard
[31:23] Speaker 2: to explain. I can try to put it into words,
[31:25] Speaker 2: but I was literally the all his mind. I was
[31:30] Speaker 2: the all his mind. There was nothing else but me,
[31:33] Speaker 2: the all his mind. And it was so profoundly beautiful,
[31:40] Speaker 2: terrifying and beautiful at the same time. That's kind of
[31:43] Speaker 2: the best way I can describe it, because even though
[31:46] Speaker 2: it was gentle and delicate, I was completely seared off
[31:49] Speaker 2: my human identity, was completely seared off of my true nature,
[31:55] Speaker 2: like in just the almost the flash of an instant,
[31:58] Speaker 2: and I was sitting there as the all is mind,
[32:01] Speaker 2: and I started. What was really crazy is I actually
[32:03] Speaker 2: got a almost like a play by play because we
[32:06] Speaker 2: were talking about manifestation earlier, about how manifestation works, and
[32:11] Speaker 2: I saw how I was sitting there and I would
[32:13] Speaker 2: have this thought form of something, and then this thought
[32:18] Speaker 2: form turned into this energy and it like swirke through me,
[32:23] Speaker 2: and then it's the energy from that swirl started to
[32:26] Speaker 2: move out into my field that was around me, and
[32:31] Speaker 2: it started to pick up other pieces of energy and
[32:35] Speaker 2: it started to grow. So that was almost like a
[32:38] Speaker 2: I was getting like a play by play on how
[32:41] Speaker 2: manifestation works. And at this point, you know, because the experience,
[32:47] Speaker 2: you know, off of one dose is only ten to
[32:49] Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, I start to feel myself slipping back. So
[32:52] Speaker 2: we have a symbol for more medicine. If you're in
[32:56] Speaker 2: the experience and you want to take another another dose
[32:58] Speaker 2: of the medicine, you got to go like this. So
[33:01] Speaker 2: I feel the experience starting to kind of like slightly
[33:05] Speaker 2: wind down, and I was like, no, I want to
[33:07] Speaker 2: stay here, So I immediately just freaking went like this,
[33:11] Speaker 2: and uh so then I I repeated the thing. You know,
[33:15] Speaker 2: I didn't have to do the breath work that time,
[33:16] Speaker 2: but I had to do the twenty second long inhale hold,
[33:19] Speaker 2: sit back, and then the second dose actually propelled me
[33:25] Speaker 2: into the white luminous light at that point, and I
[33:29] Speaker 2: was in the light, and even though I was experiencing
[33:36] Speaker 2: being source consciousness, I was the always mind. There was
[33:40] Speaker 2: still the perspective of Stephen that was with me, but
[33:44] Speaker 2: it was like almost like secondary And then I was
[33:49] Speaker 2: almost coaching myself. It was so strange, like I was
[33:53] Speaker 2: like coaching myself from like me being all his mind
[33:58] Speaker 2: talking to the perspective of And I started getting these
[34:03] Speaker 2: flashes of my life. And I started getting these flashes
[34:07] Speaker 2: of my life from the time I was a child.
[34:09] Speaker 2: There was a flash of me and my little brother
[34:13] Speaker 2: playing out in the front lawn of like the very
[34:15] Speaker 2: first house I can ever remember. That I lived in
[34:18] Speaker 2: many different interesting events, and the source consciousness part of
[34:25] Speaker 2: me looked at Stephen and said, well, yes, you have
[34:28] Speaker 2: a job to do here. Don't forget to truly enjoy
[34:31] Speaker 2: and cherish this beautiful experience you're undergoing. Do you know
[34:35] Speaker 2: what I think is the most important. It's not who
[34:40] Speaker 2: hears you, It's not you know who knows you it's
[34:45] Speaker 2: how you make people feel, the way you make them smile,
[34:49] Speaker 2: the memory they carry with you, they carry of you
[34:54] Speaker 2: with them, you know, the way you might have made
[34:57] Speaker 2: somebody's day, you know, leading by example, the courage, the bravery.
[35:04] Speaker 2: That's what I find most important, and you should hold
[35:08] Speaker 2: that most important also. And I remember like it was
[35:13] Speaker 2: almost like it was because I was Source, but I'm
[35:17] Speaker 2: talking to the protective perspective that Steven, which is it
[35:20] Speaker 2: was just the most bizarre thing in the world. It
[35:22] Speaker 2: was It's like, that's the best way I can describe it.
[35:24] Speaker 2: It was nuts, and I mean and then you know again,
[35:30] Speaker 2: I started to feel the experience pull back, like it
[35:35] Speaker 2: was I was starting to like come back. The ego
[35:37] Speaker 2: was starting to come back in. And immediately I was
[35:40] Speaker 2: like nope, and I did the handsa. I was like,
[35:44] Speaker 2: I need I'm not done here. We have some more
[35:47] Speaker 2: things to do. So I leaned over and I took
[35:49] Speaker 2: the other hit and then this time this was the
[35:52] Speaker 2: most powerful dose. So I was thrown back into the light.
[35:59] Speaker 2: And the best way I can describe it is source
[36:03] Speaker 2: consciousness took its hand and like if it had a hand,
[36:08] Speaker 2: this is just the best way I could describe it
[36:10] Speaker 2: and put it on my chest, and I kid you not, Chris.
[36:13] Speaker 2: When this happened, this light started to form within me,
[36:18] Speaker 2: and it started to see it like literally burn away
[36:23] Speaker 2: all of the pain that I've been through, all of
[36:26] Speaker 2: the trauma I've been through, you know a lot of
[36:30] Speaker 2: at these aspects of my shadow that normal will no
[36:33] Speaker 2: longer serve me anymore at this point in my life
[36:36] Speaker 2: that I'm in, because that was one of the intentions
[36:38] Speaker 2: I had going into this experience. And I remember it
[36:41] Speaker 2: was so it was like beautifully painful. That's the best
[36:47] Speaker 2: way I can describe it. It was beautifully painful. And
[36:52] Speaker 2: I just started manically and hysterically crying like a baby
[36:56] Speaker 2: while it started going down, because it was like it
[37:00] Speaker 2: is like it was searing away that the pain, just
[37:03] Speaker 2: like everything I had been through, like and it was
[37:05] Speaker 2: searing away these aspects. I'm not even going to go
[37:09] Speaker 2: in the lines to say it's reformatted my ego a
[37:12] Speaker 2: little bit too. I think that was part of that
[37:14] Speaker 2: experience too, when the light started just glowing within me,
[37:19] Speaker 2: and it was it was so amazing. And then then
[37:26] Speaker 2: this happened, so I was greeted by my higher self
[37:34] Speaker 2: and I was looking at this being, This very tall
[37:40] Speaker 2: being had wings, had a very fiery aura, and we
[37:46] Speaker 2: looked at each other and it said to me, you
[37:50] Speaker 2: remember now, don't you? And I said, yeah, I do.
[37:55] Speaker 2: And then we merged, and that's the best way I
[37:59] Speaker 2: can describe it. We merged. And after we merged, that
[38:04] Speaker 2: was my last dose, and I started coming back. And
[38:09] Speaker 2: the craziest thing, man, when I came back, I opened
[38:12] Speaker 2: my eyes and I saw the sun and it was
[38:18] Speaker 2: literally like the first time I had ever laid eyes
[38:21] Speaker 2: on it. And I remember I was looking at the sun,
[38:25] Speaker 2: and I was looking up at the clouds and I
[38:27] Speaker 2: was seeing them swirl, and it was like the first
[38:31] Speaker 2: time I had ever laid eyes on the clouds. And
[38:34] Speaker 2: then I like, get up and I start to look around,
[38:37] Speaker 2: and I see these trees just surrounding me that were
[38:39] Speaker 2: just so green, greener than any other tree I had
[38:42] Speaker 2: ever seen. They seemed even different from the trees that
[38:46] Speaker 2: I just literally saw before the experience, the same trees,
[38:49] Speaker 2: but they seemed different. They were brighter, greener. And I
[38:52] Speaker 2: remember I looked down and there was this little tiny
[38:55] Speaker 2: plant next to the mat where I was laying on it,
[38:57] Speaker 2: and I just like went and I held it in
[38:58] Speaker 2: my hands and I started crying like a baby dude,
[39:03] Speaker 2: because I was like, it was almost as if I
[39:06] Speaker 2: was reborn. It was almost freaking as if I was reborn.
[39:11] Speaker 2: I was born into this new set of eyes I
[39:14] Speaker 2: was born into. You know, my ego was reformatted. I
[39:18] Speaker 2: got freaking I merged with Source. I experienced what it
[39:21] Speaker 2: was like to be Source. Okay, you know this is
[39:25] Speaker 2: this was pivotally life changing for me. And I remember
[39:30] Speaker 2: as I'm like, you know, sitting there and coming back,
[39:34] Speaker 2: I just could just say to myself, this is going
[39:36] Speaker 2: to change everything. This is going to change everything. This was,
[39:40] Speaker 2: this was beyond and I'm going to tell you this.
[39:45] Speaker 2: It has. It has changed everything. I'm have yet to
[39:49] Speaker 2: understand the magnitude of how much it has changed. It's reappearing,
[39:54] Speaker 2: it's showcasing itself every day as every day goes on
[39:59] Speaker 2: beyond the experience. And the one thing I found out
[40:01] Speaker 2: about this stuff on accident was it's going to make
[40:05] Speaker 2: you more sensitive to other psychedelics. Because I took a
[40:08] Speaker 2: microdose before work on Tuesday, just three hundred and fifty
[40:12] Speaker 2: milligrams about bino penis envy and I'm at work and
[40:15] Speaker 2: I'm like, I weighed that out. I looked at it.
[40:19] Speaker 2: That was three hundred and fifty milligrams. I was like,
[40:22] Speaker 2: this is like I took like half a gram or
[40:24] Speaker 2: like almost zero point six grams. So this is something
[40:28] Speaker 2: that you know, I want to warn people about too
[40:31] Speaker 2: who go to the experience. It's going to give you
[40:32] Speaker 2: a weird cross tolerance to other psychedelic compounds. And the
[40:38] Speaker 2: number one thing I took from it, and this was
[40:41] Speaker 2: the number one message you know that I took from
[40:44] Speaker 2: the whole experience, Chris.
[40:46] Speaker 3: Was.
[40:48] Speaker 2: Love is everything. Love is not just an emotion. It
[40:53] Speaker 2: is a force, and it is a power. And if
[40:58] Speaker 2: we are to harness this divine love, fully channel it
[41:03] Speaker 2: into the avatars that we currently are, and master it
[41:08] Speaker 2: and impart it into every facet of this reality, it
[41:12] Speaker 2: would be the literal kill shot for this illusionary reality
[41:17] Speaker 2: the parasite class has placed on us. It would be
[41:20] Speaker 2: the literal kill shot. You know, I think, you know,
[41:23] Speaker 2: when we look for the solutions to the issues you
[41:27] Speaker 2: know that we currently face as humanity here, we're we're
[41:30] Speaker 2: so obsessed with the external, We're so obsessed with you know,
[41:34] Speaker 2: what can we do to change the government. You're not
[41:36] Speaker 2: going to change this government, man, you know, like for
[41:38] Speaker 2: you're not going to change it, dude, Like you know,
[41:42] Speaker 2: it's beating a horse dead. You're not going to change
[41:44] Speaker 2: the government, okay, Like you know, like you know, focusing
[41:47] Speaker 2: on conspiracies and just merely on only on conspiracies like
[41:51] Speaker 2: that's fine and dandy. I know that helped you wake up,
[41:54] Speaker 2: but you've got to move past going to lead to
[41:56] Speaker 2: madness and dude, it is people being black pilled. And
[42:01] Speaker 2: you know, the ultimate way if we want to kill
[42:03] Speaker 2: shot this and we want to kill shot this illusionary
[42:07] Speaker 2: matrix reality that we're stuck in, we need to each
[42:10] Speaker 2: and every one of us who has the divine spark
[42:12] Speaker 2: within them don't how to channel that divine love into
[42:14] Speaker 2: us fully and impart it here, and that in and
[42:17] Speaker 2: of itself will shatter the Mattrix man. And that is
[42:20] Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I took from that experience, right And.
[42:24] Speaker 1: As you very well know, and if you've been listening
[42:26] Speaker 1: to this show for any amount of time, I've had
[42:30] Speaker 1: some extreme success with psychedelics as well. And I don't
[42:33] Speaker 1: condone drug user psychedelics and I'm not saying for anyone
[42:38] Speaker 1: to go out and try these substances. This is what
[42:41] Speaker 1: worked for my journey, this is what has worked for
[42:44] Speaker 1: Steven's journey and many others. And if you are going
[42:48] Speaker 1: to go that route, please be responsible, Please do your research,
[42:53] Speaker 1: Please do it respectfully, Please do it in a spiritual setting.
[42:58] Speaker 1: But it is such a powerful way to come to
[43:03] Speaker 1: these realizations about yourself and these awarenesses and propel your
[43:08] Speaker 1: journey in a way that is absolutely indescribable. And that's
[43:13] Speaker 1: what I'll say about that. But I also want to
[43:16] Speaker 1: hear about what you got going on with your new business.
[43:19] Speaker 1: Tell us all about how this came about.
[43:23] Speaker 2: Absolutely one thing. I just want to add to what
[43:25] Speaker 2: you said before we hop into that. And I'm going
[43:26] Speaker 2: to say this, guys, five meo DMT is not a
[43:29] Speaker 2: party drug. None of it. Should do not rave. No, no, dude,
[43:34] Speaker 2: I'm gonna say not, even mutioned dot. Do not go
[43:36] Speaker 2: to a festival or a rave and hit five MEO
[43:39] Speaker 2: DMT outside of a ceremonial setting. My recommendation is to
[43:43] Speaker 2: keep that compound ceremonial and keep it sacred if you're
[43:46] Speaker 2: going to experience it. But the business man, so yes,
[43:49] Speaker 2: I you know of course. You know me, man, I've
[43:52] Speaker 2: you know, been very much into Kundalini yoga for a
[43:55] Speaker 2: while now, and uh, you know, my health and my
[43:57] Speaker 2: fitness and all that, and uh, you know, I've had
[44:01] Speaker 2: enough of just complaining and whining about detesting the nine
[44:04] Speaker 2: to five hamster real lifestyle. So I decided to take action.
[44:08] Speaker 2: So I started up a business called Big Body, Mind
[44:12] Speaker 2: and Spirit. Now, the reason why it's called BEG Body,
[44:16] Speaker 2: Mind and Spirit is this is what we can call
[44:18] Speaker 2: a real, true trinity that we experience every day. This
[44:22] Speaker 2: is a trinity that we want in alignment when we
[44:25] Speaker 2: have a healthy body. Okay, And you can even attest
[44:29] Speaker 2: to this, Chris, getting your health in check increases your
[44:33] Speaker 2: spiritual and energetic frequency by default. It just it is
[44:37] Speaker 2: a default process of getting your health in check. So
[44:40] Speaker 2: you get your health in a good way and you
[44:42] Speaker 2: keep it in a sound place, your spiritual, your mental
[44:46] Speaker 2: and your energetic health is going to is going to
[44:50] Speaker 2: blossom just by default. And then we have the mind. Okay,
[44:53] Speaker 2: you know we operate through our mind. Here we talk
[44:56] Speaker 2: about you know, the all is mind and mental health
[44:59] Speaker 2: is a very pivotal and important thing for us to
[45:02] Speaker 2: be happy human beings. So this would be the excuse me.
[45:06] Speaker 2: Second part of our trifecta or the trinity is the
[45:11] Speaker 2: mental health portion, because we want to have good mental health.
[45:13] Speaker 2: We want to have a positive mindset. You know, we
[45:17] Speaker 2: want to to you know, love ourselves. We want to
[45:20] Speaker 2: love the people we're with, and you know, we want
[45:22] Speaker 2: to impart that love on everybody else. And then we
[45:23] Speaker 2: have the spirit. You know, we're spiritual beings, and you
[45:27] Speaker 2: know what constitutes spiritual health altered states of consciousness, whether
[45:31] Speaker 2: it whether it be through antheogens or sober means. There's
[45:35] Speaker 2: sober ways to reach altered states of consciousness, and we're
[45:38] Speaker 2: going to talk about those next, you know, but altered
[45:41] Speaker 2: states of consciousness are really pivotal for spiritual health. You know,
[45:46] Speaker 2: it's good to take a break from this dimension, you know,
[45:50] Speaker 2: and get out of the third density for a little
[45:53] Speaker 2: bit and go into your own little pocket dimension and
[45:56] Speaker 2: freaking you know, get to know yourself on that spiritual levels.
[46:00] Speaker 2: So really, when we're talking about this trinity of body, mind,
[46:02] Speaker 2: and spirit, these are the three most important factors that
[46:07] Speaker 2: we have here. That's you know, that's the most important
[46:10] Speaker 2: to our overall being, this human being.
[46:13] Speaker 3: That we are.
[46:14] Speaker 2: And so what this business work works with is we
[46:17] Speaker 2: have life coaching. We have holistic life coaching, you know.
[46:21] Speaker 2: And the one thing I want to tell them about
[46:23] Speaker 2: I want to just throw out there to people is this.
[46:25] Speaker 2: If you are going to hire a life coach and
[46:28] Speaker 2: you're going to go down that path to help yourself,
[46:31] Speaker 2: you must expect honesty. Okay. I cannot do right by
[46:36] Speaker 2: you if you cannot handle the honesty. Okay. So that's
[46:41] Speaker 2: just one of the biggest things. Now, don't get me wrong,
[46:43] Speaker 2: I'm not going to be an asshole to you. I'm
[46:45] Speaker 2: not going to do anything like that. But I'm going
[46:47] Speaker 2: to tell you how it is, because ultimately that's what
[46:51] Speaker 2: causes that transformation. Because even just telling someone how it is,
[46:54] Speaker 2: even at a polite it causes that emotional tension. It
[46:58] Speaker 2: causes that little bit of spiritual alchemy to occur. And
[47:01] Speaker 2: you know, one of the biggest things I talk about
[47:04] Speaker 2: the lessons that I've learned in life, none of them
[47:07] Speaker 2: were ever delivered in a sugarcoated manner, none of them.
[47:11] Speaker 2: They were all delivered in a very honest way. And
[47:13] Speaker 2: that's what caused me to get to where I am today.
[47:17] Speaker 2: So we're going to have life coaching, We're going to
[47:19] Speaker 2: have you know, total body, mind, spirit health programs, right
[47:26] Speaker 2: you know, we want to address each area of this
[47:28] Speaker 2: trinity that we experience. So you know, we want to
[47:32] Speaker 2: address the health of the body, we want to address
[47:34] Speaker 2: the health of the mind, and we want to address
[47:36] Speaker 2: the health of the spirit. So and these plans are
[47:39] Speaker 2: going to be tailored and customized to your life where
[47:43] Speaker 2: you're at right now. You know what your schedule is, Okay,
[47:49] Speaker 2: you know, you are going to get a personalized plan
[47:52] Speaker 2: that is made specifically for you. It's not a template
[47:56] Speaker 2: that we're going to use on anybody else. So that's
[47:59] Speaker 2: the benefit fit you're going to have of working with me,
[48:02] Speaker 2: is you're going to get something that's designed and personalized
[48:05] Speaker 2: strictly for you. Nothing else like it out there. And
[48:09] Speaker 2: so that's why I do think this is going to
[48:11] Speaker 2: be great for those because you know, I feel a
[48:13] Speaker 2: lot of our times, even with life coaching, even with
[48:16] Speaker 2: in this health department, we try to utilize a one
[48:19] Speaker 2: size fits all method for everybody, you know, and it
[48:23] Speaker 2: even happens in the spiritual community and the conscious collective too,
[48:26] Speaker 2: you know, which we try to we try to utilize
[48:28] Speaker 2: a one size fits all method, but we know that
[48:30] Speaker 2: everybody's different, every being is different. So that's why these
[48:33] Speaker 2: programs will be tailored to your unique factors. They're going
[48:37] Speaker 2: to be tailored to your life, your lifestyle, your schedule,
[48:40] Speaker 2: whether you got kids or you don't have kids, whether
[48:42] Speaker 2: you work at nights.
[48:43] Speaker 3: Or your work days.
[48:44] Speaker 2: You know, this is all taken into account in these programs,
[48:49] Speaker 2: you know. And then also what we're going to have too.
[48:51] Speaker 2: I talked about altered states of consciousness. We are going
[48:54] Speaker 2: to have Kundalini yoga classes, and we are going to
[48:57] Speaker 2: have breath work classes. And you know these are two
[49:00] Speaker 2: Actually I would feel that, you know, meditation in general
[49:04] Speaker 2: is going to be it sits in the middle of
[49:07] Speaker 2: mental inspirits.
[49:08] Speaker 1: Even are you going to be offering these online?
[49:11] Speaker 2: Yes, I will be offering these online. Yes I will be.
[49:13] Speaker 2: I will be offering these online. We can do online.
[49:17] Speaker 2: And I have packages too. You know, if you want
[49:21] Speaker 2: the whole package, you know, you want the life coaching,
[49:23] Speaker 2: you want four to one on one sessions a month,
[49:26] Speaker 2: you want your so we will either do thirty day,
[49:29] Speaker 2: sixty day or ninety day tailored plants, you know, depending
[49:33] Speaker 2: on what you're looking for if you just want to
[49:35] Speaker 2: try it for thirty days and see if it works
[49:37] Speaker 2: for you, we offer that. Or if you if you
[49:39] Speaker 2: think you want to be in it for the long haul,
[49:41] Speaker 2: this is something you're going to do for a while.
[49:43] Speaker 2: I can tailor it even up to a year for
[49:45] Speaker 2: you if that's something that you want. And then, but
[49:49] Speaker 2: as I was saying, you know in meditation, so Kundalini
[49:51] Speaker 2: yoga is a great way to access a sober, altered
[49:54] Speaker 2: state of consciousness. You actually utilize your endogenis DMT in
[50:01] Speaker 2: this practice, and you actually utilize too, your indogenous cannabinoids
[50:06] Speaker 2: and through the Cudlina yoga practice. What happens is actually
[50:11] Speaker 2: what we do with Kundalini yoga is it's doing a
[50:14] Speaker 2: trauma response in a controlled setting. So you are putting
[50:19] Speaker 2: the body through a trauma response, but you yourself are not
[50:23] Speaker 2: experiencing trauma. So what this does is it ends up.
[50:27] Speaker 2: It causes a somatic response in your body. And that's
[50:30] Speaker 2: what psychedelics do too, is they cause a somatic response
[50:33] Speaker 2: in your body, but Kudelini yoga does it without the psychedelics,
[50:37] Speaker 2: and it causes you to release and your fascia opens up.
[50:42] Speaker 2: And it stretches because we store a lot of our
[50:44] Speaker 2: trauma in our fascia and in our vegus nerve, and
[50:47] Speaker 2: CUDLINI works on the vegas nerve as well. And ultimately
[50:50] Speaker 2: what Kundalini yoga will do once you begin to gain
[50:53] Speaker 2: mastery of it, so our cerebral spinal fluid. A lot
[50:57] Speaker 2: of people call it the christ oil, or you know,
[50:59] Speaker 2: a lot of people call it the sacred nectar. Whatever,
[51:01] Speaker 2: there's many different names for it. It actually holds are
[51:05] Speaker 2: a lot of indogenous DMT and indogenous cannabinoids, and through
[51:10] Speaker 2: this practice, you will work that fluid up your spinal
[51:15] Speaker 2: cavity into your hypothalamists and in case you don't know
[51:19] Speaker 2: the eye of raw, the eye of horus, it's where
[51:21] Speaker 2: your pineogland is, your pituitary gland is, you know your HPTA,
[51:25] Speaker 2: your hypothalamus, pituitary access, all of that, and you are
[51:29] Speaker 2: just sending a boatload of indogenous DMT and a boatload
[51:32] Speaker 2: of indogenous cannabinoids right into that cavity in your brain.
[51:36] Speaker 2: No m AOI inhibitor needed or anything like that. So
[51:40] Speaker 2: that's that's why I can't talk highly enough about Kundelini
[51:43] Speaker 2: yoga but that's also we will be offering classes on
[51:46] Speaker 2: how to do it, and we're also going to be
[51:48] Speaker 2: offering breath work. Breathwork is another you know, natural DMT releaser,
[51:54] Speaker 2: and in fact, when you're doing it through the hard
[51:55] Speaker 2: breath work and the lungs, you're actually releasing the DMT
[51:58] Speaker 2: that's stored in your lung. You know, d MT is
[52:02] Speaker 2: produced in many different areas of our body. It's produced
[52:08] Speaker 2: in our lungs, our stomach, our our our liver. There's
[52:13] Speaker 2: a few places that it has receptor sites and attachment
[52:16] Speaker 2: attachment sites in our body. And you know, breathwork is
[52:21] Speaker 2: also a great way, a great thing for spiritual health.
[52:24] Speaker 2: Breathwork also has a somatic response to it. You're putting
[52:27] Speaker 2: yourself through a trauma response while not going through trauma,
[52:32] Speaker 2: and you're basically building up yourself through these practices, and
[52:37] Speaker 2: we're going to offer classes on that. I will be
[52:41] Speaker 2: giving dietary advice too, you know, for people who are
[52:45] Speaker 2: not sure about what to eat or you know, how
[52:48] Speaker 2: to go about eating. And I mean, the biggest thing
[52:50] Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna tell everybody is everybody is
[52:53] Speaker 2: different when it comes to that. So you know, we'll
[52:56] Speaker 2: have to kind of tinker around and figure out what
[52:59] Speaker 2: works out for you you but ultimately, this is where
[53:02] Speaker 2: my passion lies in life, Chris, This is where my
[53:04] Speaker 2: passion lies and helping people heal, helping people be the
[53:08] Speaker 2: best version of themselves. You know, you can become the
[53:13] Speaker 2: best version of you, the best husband, you could be,
[53:16] Speaker 2: the best father, you could be the best family member
[53:19] Speaker 2: you could be, you know, and continuously improve and shrive
[53:24] Speaker 2: in your day to day life and live your most joyful,
[53:28] Speaker 2: abundant timeline. I mean, who doesn't want that? So, you know,
[53:32] Speaker 2: So that's why I'm I decided to take this on.
[53:35] Speaker 2: You know, I don't see anybody really doing anything else
[53:38] Speaker 2: like this, and you know, I think this is going
[53:41] Speaker 2: to help so many people heal. It's going to help
[53:45] Speaker 2: so many people find their greater sense of self. And
[53:47] Speaker 2: it's good to know that you can tap into these
[53:50] Speaker 2: heightened and altered states of consciousness without having to take
[53:54] Speaker 2: a compound. You know, you can utilize this. So for
[53:58] Speaker 2: even people who want to stay quote unquote drug free,
[54:02] Speaker 2: that's okay, you know, you can you can still achieve
[54:05] Speaker 2: these states of consciousness through Kundalini yoga or breath work.
[54:09] Speaker 2: So and that's what I'm offering, man. I mean the
[54:12] Speaker 2: packages kind of go. Like I said, you can have
[54:16] Speaker 2: four one on one sessions with me a month. You
[54:19] Speaker 2: know you're either thirty, sixty, ninety or however long. You
[54:21] Speaker 2: want a total body, mind and spirit health program that
[54:24] Speaker 2: gives you three Kundalini classes a week, that gives you
[54:27] Speaker 2: two breath work classes a week, and that gives you
[54:30] Speaker 2: diet help and advice. That is the total package. Of course,
[54:33] Speaker 2: if you want to piece it and you only want
[54:35] Speaker 2: to try certain aspects of it as well, you know,
[54:39] Speaker 2: I'm completely fine with that. And also too, I do
[54:41] Speaker 2: a two week trial. So for those who are interested
[54:45] Speaker 2: in maybe giving it a go, but not sure they
[54:47] Speaker 2: want to, you know, one hundred percent put it all
[54:50] Speaker 2: in just yet, I can work you up a quick
[54:52] Speaker 2: two week program, man, and you know you can. And
[54:56] Speaker 2: that'll include one session with me in those two weeks,
[55:00] Speaker 2: and it'll be you know, your own tailored basic body,
[55:03] Speaker 2: mind and spirit health program. You'll get one Kundalini yoga class,
[55:07] Speaker 2: you'll get one breathwork class out of the trial period.
[55:12] Speaker 2: And that's if you're if you if you just want
[55:13] Speaker 2: to give it a try and if you feel like
[55:16] Speaker 2: it's something that you don't want to do after that
[55:20] Speaker 2: completely fine. There's no contracts man, it's your free will.
[55:23] Speaker 2: You know, if you want to back out, you can. However,
[55:26] Speaker 2: if you want after the two week trial, you want
[55:29] Speaker 2: to go all in and you want it, you want
[55:32] Speaker 2: to do this with me, I will cut you a
[55:34] Speaker 2: deal on the packages because you went through that two
[55:37] Speaker 2: week trial program and you tested out my program. I
[55:41] Speaker 2: will work with you on a on a pricing for
[55:45] Speaker 2: whatever package that you would like.
[55:47] Speaker 1: Awesome, man, well, this is so great that you're doing this.
[55:51] Speaker 1: Like you said, I think this is so important for people.
[55:54] Speaker 1: It's such a stepping stone for sovereignty and individuality and
[56:00] Speaker 1: creativity and getting to where you want to be. I
[56:03] Speaker 1: didn't realize how much spirituality affected the betterment of everything
[56:09] Speaker 1: else in my life. It's all connected. And once you
[56:12] Speaker 1: get reconnected with your spiritual side, once you get connected
[56:19] Speaker 1: with your higher self and start to become aware, everything
[56:23] Speaker 1: can change in your life. And it's amazing that you're
[56:26] Speaker 1: offering this, so thank you for doing that. We'll have
[56:29] Speaker 1: the links so everybody can check out more about you
[56:32] Speaker 1: and get in touch with you if they want There's
[56:34] Speaker 1: one more thing I wanted to get your thoughts on
[56:36] Speaker 1: before we close out today. I almost left a rant
[56:40] Speaker 1: on Facebook this morning because of some of the things
[56:44] Speaker 1: that I'm noticing, but I decided to just talk about
[56:46] Speaker 1: it here tonight. What I've noticed with some folks who
[56:51] Speaker 1: have been Awakening since at least twenty twenty, and they
[56:56] Speaker 1: have decided to give it a go in the independent
[57:00] Speaker 1: content creation space, podcasting things of that nature, and for
[57:07] Speaker 1: whatever reason, they are not getting the success or notoriety
[57:11] Speaker 1: that they believe that they should. I couldn't tell you why,
[57:15] Speaker 1: but the problem that I'm seeing is they tend to
[57:19] Speaker 1: be lashing out at those that are having success with
[57:23] Speaker 1: the podcast. They tend to be finding faults and problems
[57:27] Speaker 1: and critiquing their work and doing it very publicly in
[57:32] Speaker 1: a very childish way sometimes, and I think to myself,
[57:37] Speaker 1: if they would put that much focus on their own
[57:39] Speaker 1: work and what they're trying to do for themselves, they
[57:43] Speaker 1: may find more success. I'm just very tired of seeing
[57:48] Speaker 1: my friends and colleagues at each other's throats over becoming
[57:53] Speaker 1: successful at something they're passionate at and having problems with
[57:58] Speaker 1: the way they're doing it when the person attempting it
[58:03] Speaker 1: is he and even trying it for themselves. So just
[58:06] Speaker 1: a rant and observation that I saw, and I'd love
[58:09] Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on it.
[58:11] Speaker 2: You know what else I've seen too, Man, I've seen
[58:13] Speaker 2: people who are and I'm sure you're gonna there's a
[58:18] Speaker 2: name that's gonna come in your head. We don't have
[58:19] Speaker 2: to speak about it, but uh, there are people who
[58:22] Speaker 2: aren't even content creators who are doing that to other
[58:25] Speaker 2: content creators and trying to, like it, trying to like,
[58:28] Speaker 2: you know, put them on front street, trying to like
[58:30] Speaker 2: you know, really discredit and degrade their work. So that's
[58:34] Speaker 2: another thing. So I'm kind of with you on that too.
[58:36] Speaker 2: And there's a name that comes to mind. You blocked him,
[58:39] Speaker 2: He blocked me. Funny story on that. But uh, but
[58:43] Speaker 2: what do I think about that? Man? Is Honestly, this
[58:45] Speaker 2: is what I'm gonna say. They still hold the victim mentality,
[58:50] Speaker 2: and that's a lot of what it is. The victim
[58:52] Speaker 2: mentality still really runs rampant in our community. Man. It's
[58:56] Speaker 2: a shame because you know, a lot of these people
[58:58] Speaker 2: who are awakening, you know, they should be gaining the
[59:01] Speaker 2: understanding that they're they're in control of way more than
[59:04] Speaker 2: they think they are. And let me tell you this, man,
[59:07] Speaker 2: when I first started, like we were just saying earlier,
[59:09] Speaker 2: I had three followers. I was reaching out to David Ike,
[59:13] Speaker 2: tempoole Jirogajob freaking Mattias de Stefano like I didn't even care.
[59:21] Speaker 2: I didn't even care because I was like, I don't
[59:23] Speaker 2: care if they say no, all right, but I'm gonna
[59:25] Speaker 2: reach out to like as many people as I can.
[59:28] Speaker 2: One in tent is gonna say yes, the one in
[59:30] Speaker 2: ten rule. One in ten is going to come on.
[59:32] Speaker 2: They're going to agree on it, okay. And it's really
[59:35] Speaker 2: where your head, heart and hands are. Man. Energy goes
[59:39] Speaker 2: where the focus flows. I mean energy flows where the
[59:41] Speaker 2: focus goes, you know. And like, if you're focusing on
[59:43] Speaker 2: just degrading other content creators and I'm bitching about your
[59:48] Speaker 2: lack of success, that's where your focus is, and that's
[59:51] Speaker 2: where your energy's going. And now if you actually turned
[59:55] Speaker 2: around and took the energy and the focus that you're
[59:57] Speaker 2: putting into degrading other content creators and and bitching about
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: your lack of success, and putting that energy and actually
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: doing your content and doing your show you know what
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: I mean, I guarantee you you would see more things
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: that come out of it. I mean kind of how
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: I rolled with it, man, is the first year, like
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: I was telling you, I reached how I work with
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: Manifestation when I came to the show was this I
[1:00:20] Speaker 2: my first year. I went hard. I grinded it out.
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: I was doing two, three shows a week. I was
[1:00:27] Speaker 2: I was reaching out to anybody and everybody. I could
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and just build it. I mean, shoot,
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: I even reached out to you through that whole the
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: whole thing and all of that, and that's how we're
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: here today. And you know, and after that first year,
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: I cultivated enough of that energy flow to where I
[1:00:47] Speaker 2: was like, Okay, let's maybe drop down to one to
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: two shows a week, but do better quality content. To
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: do better quality shows. And then I started doing more
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: research and doing things like that, You're going to get
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: what you put into it. Bottom line, You're going to
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: get what you put into it, man. And like you know,
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: right now, I'm in a little bit of a lull period.
[1:01:10] Speaker 2: But I'm okay with that because I'm getting the business started.
[1:01:13] Speaker 2: I'm taking care of some other things going on in
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: my life. But you know, but if you I'm choosing
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: that right now, I'm still making content, I'm still doing shows,
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: but I'm kind of branching off and I'm taking care
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: of some other things on the side while I'm doing
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: that until I hop back in. And but you're going
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: to ultimately get what you put out of it, man,
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: And you know, like, and this is what I'll say,
[1:01:37] Speaker 2: you have to have time management, like how I ended
[1:01:39] Speaker 2: up doing it too, Man, when I was at my
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: downtime at work. I remember those days. I'm fucking yeah,
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: I'm researching, I'm fucking making thumbnails for the shows. I'm
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: reaching out to potential guests. What are you doing with
[1:01:54] Speaker 2: your downtime? Are you doom scrolling and just you know,
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: complaining to every everybody else about your lack of success
[1:02:01] Speaker 2: or you actually trying to do something about it. And
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: that's the other thing too, I'll say in there is
[1:02:07] Speaker 2: time management and utilizing your time wisely, you know, So
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: like that's that's going to be another play in it too, man.
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: But ultimately, my opinion is you're going to get what
[1:02:15] Speaker 2: you put into it, you know. And if you're putting
[1:02:18] Speaker 2: in your your your heart and soul, truly into what
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: you're doing. You're going to see your heart and soul
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: manifest into this existence. If you're half asking it and
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: holding the victim mentality and complaining all the time about
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: your lack of success, you know that that's all you're
[1:02:37] Speaker 2: ultimately going to end up being, because that's where you're
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: putting your focus and your energy.
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: You put your focus, you put your imagination, you put
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: your excitement, your passion, your energy, all of those feelings
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: that contain that powerful energy, you put it into what
[1:02:54] Speaker 1: you're working with, and it's fuel for that. It's rocket
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: fuel and it propels you where the hell you want
[1:03:01] Speaker 1: to go. But thank you for that, Steven, and thank
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: you for what you're doing. It's fantastic. Before we go,
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[1:04:53] Speaker 1: And Steven, thank you so much. We will of course
[1:04:56] Speaker 1: be doing this again and until next time, everyone, have
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: an excellent evening today. I want to welcome Julian Palmer.
[1:05:02] Speaker 1: He is a researcher and writer who has been deeply
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: exploring psychedelics for over twenty two years. In the mid
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: nineties he developed Changa, a blend of DMT and herbs,
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: which is now a global phenomena. He is also an
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: author and has spoken extensively at psychedelic conferences and festivals
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: all over the world. His podcast is Revelations with Julian Palmer.
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: Julian welcome, How you doing?
[1:05:32] Speaker 3: Thanks, Chris doing well. I'm here in Melbourne, Australia. It
[1:05:39] Speaker 3: we call it Melbourne. It's a kind of a choky city,
[1:05:42] Speaker 3: five million people. You know. Tasmania is a bit south
[1:05:47] Speaker 3: of En that's Antarctica, so it's pretty crazy weather, but
[1:05:52] Speaker 3: really good coffee.
[1:05:55] Speaker 1: Awesome, man, Yeah, I love a good cup of coffee.
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that some of my audience may be
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: sick of me talking about psychedelics and doing shows, but
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: it's because of psychedelics that I am on the path
[1:06:09] Speaker 1: I'm on and doing what I do and will continue
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: to do. So my journey has been with psilocybin. I
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: know that you have developed something called changa, which I've
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: never tried. I'm sure the universe will lead me to
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: it if it's supposed to, but I'm very much looking
[1:06:29] Speaker 1: forward to learning all about it, as well as getting
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: some of your insights into what we're experiencing and interacting
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: with when using these substances. What is your first time
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: on Before we get into that, let the audience know
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: more about yourself and what led you on your path.
[1:06:48] Speaker 3: Well, I got started in the internets and the web
[1:06:52] Speaker 3: in the very early days in the mid nineties, so
[1:06:55] Speaker 3: that would give an idea rest of my age and
[1:07:00] Speaker 3: and so I was working in that area, which was
[1:07:03] Speaker 3: which was quite interesting, but it wasn't really that fulfilling
[1:07:07] Speaker 3: for me. And I suppose I was involved in, you know,
[1:07:12] Speaker 3: trying to really discover a spirituality in a very spiritually
[1:07:20] Speaker 3: poor culture. So I basically, you know, I found Australia
[1:07:28] Speaker 3: to be not really very you know, spiritually aware or
[1:07:34] Speaker 3: that many people involved in that sort of thing at
[1:07:37] Speaker 3: that time. So yeah, basically around the year two thousand
[1:07:42] Speaker 3: I came across. It was nineteen ninety nine actually that
[1:07:45] Speaker 3: I first came across DMT, and of course I was
[1:07:47] Speaker 3: fascinated by it, and there wasn't much going around in
[1:07:52] Speaker 3: the world, but we have the Acacias in Australia, so
[1:07:56] Speaker 3: people extracting DMT from the acacias, and so I got started,
[1:08:04] Speaker 3: and you know that that became my job. I became
[1:08:10] Speaker 3: a full time advocate for d MT and ACACIA and
[1:08:14] Speaker 3: I started sharing that medicine with people the ACACIA and
[1:08:19] Speaker 3: Syrian RU. I started facilitating groups in two thousand and two,
[1:08:25] Speaker 3: and I only really retired late last year, you know,
[1:08:29] Speaker 3: simply because I've spent you know, after spending twenty two
[1:08:33] Speaker 3: years in the trenches, you know, with grown adults, you know,
[1:08:41] Speaker 3: essentially you know, being a you know sham and no,
[1:08:45] Speaker 3: I wouldn't call myself that. It's not particularly glamorous kind
[1:08:49] Speaker 3: of cleaning.
[1:08:50] Speaker 4: Vomit off people and taking them to the bathroom and
[1:08:55] Speaker 4: you know, dealing with all their dark, shadowy craze material.
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: It's quite you know it's quite challenging. So yeah, I'd say, yeah,
[1:09:08] Speaker 3: I've been kind of quite deep in there for a
[1:09:11] Speaker 3: long time. And then I guess, oh, you know, it
[1:09:15] Speaker 3: would have been in the last six years or so
[1:09:17] Speaker 3: we've seen this rapid engagement of psychedelics in the more
[1:09:24] Speaker 3: medicalization space for treating medical conditions. So yeah, I've been
[1:09:31] Speaker 3: watching and observing and yeah, commenting on what I've seen
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: and observed in this spaces for the last you know,
[1:09:42] Speaker 3: over a couple of decades.
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: Now, excellent, Now, tell us a little bit about your
[1:09:48] Speaker 1: journey and what led you to create Changa and tell
[1:09:52] Speaker 1: us a little bit about what that is.
[1:09:55] Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so I was living in this area called
[1:09:59] Speaker 3: Byron Bay in Australia, which is a bit of an
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: alternative hot spot, a bit of a tourist town, and
[1:10:07] Speaker 3: people around that area had been extracted DMT from acacias,
[1:10:11] Speaker 3: but not that many people, just a handful of people,
[1:10:14] Speaker 3: and people were quite scared of DMT because DMT was
[1:10:18] Speaker 3: so powerful and strong, and people would you know, I
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: knew this guy who'd give it to people and he'd
[1:10:23] Speaker 3: just say.
[1:10:26] Speaker 5: Smoke this, lie down, you're gonna die, you know, and
[1:10:31] Speaker 5: then they'd be like.
[1:10:34] Speaker 3: You know, so people were like, you can imagine at
[1:10:37] Speaker 3: that point that people have never experienced anything like it. Now,
[1:10:40] Speaker 3: you know, now, I think, you know, there's something to
[1:10:43] Speaker 3: be said for morphic residence, where you know, more and
[1:10:45] Speaker 3: more people have done something and it becomes, you know,
[1:10:49] Speaker 3: part of the culture. The human brain knows how to
[1:10:51] Speaker 3: understand it. I think in the late nineties early noughties,
[1:10:55] Speaker 3: most people, you know, the kind of elders, you know,
[1:10:58] Speaker 3: the guys with the white b were like, we don't
[1:11:01] Speaker 3: think humanity is ready for d MT, you know, they
[1:11:04] Speaker 3: were just like it were. People were pretty freaked out
[1:11:06] Speaker 3: about it because it was quite a revelation and the
[1:11:09] Speaker 3: stuff Australian acacias is really strong too. There's you know,
[1:11:14] Speaker 3: there's five A MEO in some of them, and other
[1:11:17] Speaker 3: alkaloids we don't even know about that are probably stronger
[1:11:20] Speaker 3: than d m T. So, you know, people, people were
[1:11:24] Speaker 3: pretty blown away. So what happened is a friend and
[1:11:29] Speaker 3: I we extracted goo from an Acacia casha two cifolia
[1:11:34] Speaker 3: is a species name because they've got lots of other
[1:11:37] Speaker 3: alkaloids in them, and so some of those arkaloids don't
[1:11:42] Speaker 3: crystallize into d MT. So we we put it fifty
[1:11:48] Speaker 3: fifty in Aahuascar vine shavings and smoke that and you know,
[1:11:53] Speaker 3: I gave out a bunch of people and they all said, look,
[1:11:55] Speaker 3: it's too strong. So I thought, okay, well what I'll
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: do is I'll add maline and peppermint to that, and
[1:12:08] Speaker 3: then also passionflower. And I heard that maline and peppermint
[1:12:12] Speaker 3: made for a much smoother smoke because moline is a
[1:12:15] Speaker 3: long herb. And then I added blue lotus as well,
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: and I have the ratio, so rather than fifty percent
[1:12:24] Speaker 3: was twenty five p m. So that's original recipe shanga
[1:12:32] Speaker 3: which I called it. And you know, the name came
[1:12:36] Speaker 3: through on an ayahuasca group that I held at my
[1:12:38] Speaker 3: house and I, you know, the name just came to me.
[1:12:41] Speaker 3: And we thought it was quite funny because it's like
[1:12:45] Speaker 3: very Australian. It sounds like something you'd you know, like
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: Oka Australians sort of like what would you call them,
[1:12:54] Speaker 3: you know, trailer trash Australians. An American perspective, I would.
[1:12:58] Speaker 2: Say, yeah, that's the chain and give me a beer,
[1:13:02] Speaker 2: you know, smoke exciting shit, you know.
[1:13:06] Speaker 3: So we thought it was very funny, and so it
[1:13:10] Speaker 3: was quite amusing to me that the name caught on.
[1:13:15] Speaker 3: There was another name that was being used. People were
[1:13:18] Speaker 3: calling it Dreamly for dream Time, because it was actually
[1:13:22] Speaker 3: being sold in the shops, you know, under the counter
[1:13:26] Speaker 3: in chain of shops called Happy Herbal Hires in Australia,
[1:13:31] Speaker 3: and they were calling it dream Time, and other people
[1:13:33] Speaker 3: called it dream Leaf and so and I was calling
[1:13:36] Speaker 3: it smoke Mix at the time, and so, yeah, pretty
[1:13:40] Speaker 3: much the next oh, you know, it's like two thousand
[1:13:45] Speaker 3: and three, two thousand and four. You know, I kind
[1:13:50] Speaker 3: of planted these seeds all around the world, you know,
[1:13:56] Speaker 3: and other people did as well, you know, took it
[1:13:58] Speaker 3: to various countries and show people how to make it.
[1:14:02] Speaker 3: You know Dan Schreiber, who's dead now. He took it
[1:14:04] Speaker 3: to Hawaii and the States and South Africa. You know,
[1:14:08] Speaker 3: I know a guy who showed how to do it.
[1:14:10] Speaker 3: He took it to Brazil, and yeah, but I sort
[1:14:15] Speaker 3: of I mostly focused on Europe and you know South
[1:14:21] Speaker 3: America as well. You know, took it to conferences and
[1:14:25] Speaker 3: gatherings and gave it to prominent people or whenever I could.
[1:14:29] Speaker 3: You know, England is a big place, of course. I
[1:14:33] Speaker 3: arrived in England quite early in you know, two o five,
[1:14:36] Speaker 3: two oh six. Yeah, and then at the Boom Festival
[1:14:41] Speaker 3: in two o eight it kind of you know, people
[1:14:44] Speaker 3: started to really pay attention and they were like wow,
[1:14:47] Speaker 3: you know, because crystal d MT it's hard to smoke.
[1:14:51] Speaker 3: You know, you can put it in a it's not
[1:14:55] Speaker 3: you get some you need to freebase it in a
[1:14:57] Speaker 3: glass pipe or you know, put in a bond and
[1:15:00] Speaker 3: which method layer in herbs, So it's not easy thing
[1:15:04] Speaker 3: to smoke and way up. Whereas changer you can just
[1:15:07] Speaker 3: put some in a cone, in a boon or a
[1:15:09] Speaker 3: pipe or a joint and off you go. You know,
[1:15:12] Speaker 3: so makes sense, and then you can have a light,
[1:15:16] Speaker 3: a lighter experience that's more gentle, that you can assimilate
[1:15:22] Speaker 3: and integrate. That's not going to blow your socks off.
[1:15:26] Speaker 3: I mean, you can just have a little bit that's
[1:15:28] Speaker 3: just going to amplify your senses and your visual field.
[1:15:31] Speaker 3: You're going to have this quite nice medicinal feeling. So
[1:15:35] Speaker 3: it's really not that much different to you know, smoking
[1:15:38] Speaker 3: crystal d MT, except I found that integration tends to
[1:15:42] Speaker 3: be better. Duration is a bit longer, there's a bit
[1:15:47] Speaker 3: more warmth to get a bit of warmth after glow
[1:15:50] Speaker 3: from the ayahuascovine. You know, I remember some years ago
[1:15:54] Speaker 3: some friends introduced me to these DMT in vake pens
[1:15:58] Speaker 3: and we were just like, nah, nah, this is like
[1:16:03] Speaker 3: very artificial, had a real fifth element vibe about it,
[1:16:10] Speaker 3: like the what's that Luke Basson, the French film director.
[1:16:16] Speaker 3: It felt like it didn't feel organic or integrated or real.
[1:16:21] Speaker 3: So there's something to be said about, you know, using
[1:16:25] Speaker 3: with the Aaohuascar vine smoking DMT with the Aohuascar vine,
[1:16:29] Speaker 3: which the traditionally you know, in the Amazon has been
[1:16:32] Speaker 3: considered to be the guiding factor and force. You know,
[1:16:36] Speaker 3: it's Ahohuascar brew. It's not the DMT brew. They don't
[1:16:39] Speaker 3: even know about DMT. So for them, you know, it's
[1:16:42] Speaker 3: all about the a Aahuascar And so you know a
[1:16:45] Speaker 3: lot of people, some people these days are adding you
[1:16:48] Speaker 3: know harmulers from Syrian rue. Yeah, it's does the same
[1:16:54] Speaker 3: sort of thing. But there's something about that Aahuascar vine
[1:16:58] Speaker 3: that's powerful and magical as a as a guiding entity.
[1:17:03] Speaker 3: So from my perspective, if it doesn't have the ayahuask
[1:17:06] Speaker 3: of vine in it, it's not really it's not that
[1:17:10] Speaker 3: much different to smoking DMT because it's the iowask of
[1:17:14] Speaker 3: vine that activates, say, in the Amazonan tradition, the iowasca
[1:17:19] Speaker 3: vine activates all the herbs and plants that you're using,
[1:17:24] Speaker 3: So they use these addmixtures in their brewis. So when
[1:17:28] Speaker 3: you have iwuask of vine and other herbs in your changa,
[1:17:32] Speaker 3: the aowuasc of vine and the DMT is going to
[1:17:34] Speaker 3: activate those qualities. So you're going to have this, you know,
[1:17:40] Speaker 3: very strong medicinal effect. So the maline, for example, becomes
[1:17:45] Speaker 3: connection you can have. I've had powerful lung healings from
[1:17:49] Speaker 3: smoking maline in changa. You know, I was chain smoking
[1:17:52] Speaker 3: at the time, you know, back in like I think
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: it was like two o five, and you know, I
[1:17:59] Speaker 3: was smoke a lot of tobacco and then you know,
[1:18:03] Speaker 3: smoking changa, and my lungs felt amazingly healed, you know,
[1:18:08] Speaker 3: amazingly fresh, like I'd never been a smoker. So that's
[1:18:13] Speaker 3: when I really twigged that, Wow, these admixtures are powerful.
[1:18:17] Speaker 3: Then I went to the Amazon you know, later on
[1:18:20] Speaker 3: in that year, and I learned more about admixture plants
[1:18:23] Speaker 3: and how the ayahuasca is activates these plants because they
[1:18:28] Speaker 3: consider the Ayahuascar iron to be the mother of all
[1:18:32] Speaker 3: plants that activates those plants. So yeah, I mean you
[1:18:36] Speaker 3: can you know, you could put you could put the
[1:18:39] Speaker 3: harmelers in your vap pen and it might extend duration.
[1:18:43] Speaker 3: But there's something to be said about smoking those herbs
[1:18:47] Speaker 3: that are chemical bland in a vaporizer or a bomb
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: where you're going to get this rich, full, you know, experience,
[1:18:56] Speaker 3: whereas it's like for me, you know, the vate pan
[1:18:59] Speaker 3: is is like the McDonald's a DMD. It's like, no,
[1:19:07] Speaker 3: that's not there's no craftsmanship involved there. You know, you
[1:19:11] Speaker 3: don't know where that d m T has come from.
[1:19:13] Speaker 3: You don't know how they harvested it, you know. So
[1:19:16] Speaker 3: I've come from this food to table perspective where the
[1:19:20] Speaker 3: whole way along you're doing everything very consciously. You're recognizing
[1:19:24] Speaker 3: that there's your your you know, paying your respects to
[1:19:29] Speaker 3: the plant spirits involved. And I think that's very important
[1:19:34] Speaker 3: because in our day and age, you talk to you know,
[1:19:37] Speaker 3: hanging out with a PhD in Euroscientists recently, and he's like, oh,
[1:19:41] Speaker 3: plant spirits, you know that's not you know, you get
[1:19:45] Speaker 3: kicked out of the academy. You start talking about plant spirits.
[1:19:48] Speaker 3: You can't, that's not that's not science, you know, but
[1:19:52] Speaker 3: you know, exponentially, that's what people experience, you know, experentially
[1:19:59] Speaker 3: with you know, say, you know, Chance mcanna would always
[1:20:02] Speaker 3: talk about the mushroom spirit and people talk about Mama
[1:20:07] Speaker 3: ayahuasca for example, and you know when people take a
[1:20:11] Speaker 3: boga or it begin, you know, they experienced this really
[1:20:15] Speaker 3: strong phrasance who's guiding them and teaching them. So, you know,
[1:20:19] Speaker 3: I think one day the science will catch up and
[1:20:21] Speaker 3: we'll see we'll see some way to understand what people
[1:20:26] Speaker 3: actually experience, you know.
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, while we're going into these spiritual realms.
[1:20:33] Speaker 1: This is what I wanted to get into. What is
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: your understanding of what's occurring in our consciousness, in our minds?
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: Are we interacting with intelligences that we can't perceive. Are
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: we putting one foot outside of this physical reality into
[1:20:54] Speaker 1: more of a astral realm or a different dimension? What
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: do you think?
[1:21:01] Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean when I first began getting into it,
[1:21:05] Speaker 3: I remember I did really high mushroom doses in nineteen
[1:21:09] Speaker 3: ninety nine and I experienced you know the first time,
[1:21:13] Speaker 3: you know, you meet your guides and you you have
[1:21:16] Speaker 3: this awareness of and you have this direct experience of
[1:21:21] Speaker 3: a vast reality. It's kind of hard to say you
[1:21:26] Speaker 3: can do it. You can, I know, people have you know,
[1:21:29] Speaker 3: you can say, oh, that's not real, it's projection on
[1:21:32] Speaker 3: my mind, right, kind of can do that, but the
[1:21:35] Speaker 3: vividness and intelligence of the experience, you kind of got
[1:21:39] Speaker 3: to say, sorry, sorry, guys, you're not real. This is
[1:21:44] Speaker 3: a projection of my mind. And I'm deciding to say
[1:21:46] Speaker 3: that because science, right, you know, and I think my
[1:21:51] Speaker 3: understanding is the experiences themselves are rather evident. You know,
[1:21:55] Speaker 3: you'll have this communication from these intelligen genies, which is
[1:22:01] Speaker 3: a very intelligent communication. You know, it doesn't appear as
[1:22:05] Speaker 3: a projection, it doesn't appear as a you know, like
[1:22:10] Speaker 3: a it's actually quite meaningful. These these communications are very meaningful.
[1:22:17] Speaker 3: So I think there's something to be said about embracing
[1:22:20] Speaker 3: the mystery of this and not trying to you know,
[1:22:25] Speaker 3: contextualize or try and understand understand it, because I don't
[1:22:30] Speaker 3: honestly know if we can, you know, we can only
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: just experience it. But I think the mistake people make,
[1:22:38] Speaker 3: like I said, it's like it's really giving the rational
[1:22:42] Speaker 3: mind way too much credibility and our you know, we
[1:22:47] Speaker 3: live in twenty twenty four, right, Okay, presuming civilization is
[1:22:52] Speaker 3: going to be around five hundred years, We've got to
[1:22:56] Speaker 3: think not be so arrogant to think that we know
[1:22:59] Speaker 3: everything that there is to know about, like you know,
[1:23:05] Speaker 3: hyperdimensional consciousness and trip to mean consciousness, when we've only
[1:23:10] Speaker 3: in the West, we've only had access to these substances
[1:23:14] Speaker 3: in any you know, degree for a couple of decades.
[1:23:18] Speaker 3: It hasn't haven't been long in our culture, whereas other cultures,
[1:23:23] Speaker 3: you know, they've had them for hundreds, if not thousands
[1:23:26] Speaker 3: of years. They have their own cosmologies related to it.
[1:23:30] Speaker 3: So we'd be better, we'd be We do well to
[1:23:33] Speaker 3: listen to what they say, but not completely. You know,
[1:23:37] Speaker 3: they've got their own often their own dogma and their
[1:23:41] Speaker 3: own rigid beliefs in some respects. But I think we've
[1:23:44] Speaker 3: got to think about Okay, well, this is a developing field,
[1:23:48] Speaker 3: you know, this is an emerging understanding where we're bringing
[1:23:52] Speaker 3: this kind of you know, this Western mentality, you know,
[1:23:55] Speaker 3: more kind of scientific, you know, non so called non
[1:24:01] Speaker 3: superstitious viewpoint to understanding these states, and that hey, we
[1:24:10] Speaker 3: don't we don't have it all you get out. You know,
[1:24:13] Speaker 3: it's actually it's not really very unintelligent perspective to think.
[1:24:17] Speaker 6: Yeah, science twenty twenty four, we got it covered, boys,
[1:24:21] Speaker 6: and we got this down, like neuroscience to the wind.
[1:24:25] Speaker 3: It's like it's like, no, we don't know much about it.
[1:24:29] Speaker 3: The more you know, it's like, what's that Dunning Kruger effect,
[1:24:34] Speaker 3: Like the more you understand about something, the more you
[1:24:38] Speaker 3: understand that you don't know. You know, It's like it's
[1:24:41] Speaker 3: like Dennis McKenna would say, related to ayahuasca, how how?
[1:24:48] Speaker 3: And he's the guy who did all the farmer pharmacological
[1:24:51] Speaker 3: work on how Aiahuascar works, and he says, how ayahuascar
[1:24:55] Speaker 3: works is a complete mystery, you know, because he understands
[1:25:00] Speaker 3: you're seeing it. He's drunk hundreds of times he works
[1:25:03] Speaker 3: with people in those states. And I think, yeah, the
[1:25:05] Speaker 3: more you understand, the more you understand. There's a lot
[1:25:09] Speaker 3: that you don't understand. But you know, the main thing
[1:25:13] Speaker 3: that I think is important to main understand him to
[1:25:18] Speaker 3: have is not to let this, you know, the so
[1:25:23] Speaker 3: called logical rational mind just go no, no, that's not real.
[1:25:28] Speaker 3: It's just a trip. Road's all in your mind.
[1:25:30] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:25:31] Speaker 3: I just think that's a cultural glitch. You know, that's
[1:25:37] Speaker 3: a cultural that's a cultural artifact of you know, the studio.
[1:25:42] Speaker 3: It's not actually a logical rational perspective. I think they
[1:25:47] Speaker 3: actually kicked me off read a rational psychonaut and couldn't
[1:25:51] Speaker 3: explain why because I go in there arguing all these
[1:25:54] Speaker 3: points and having these strong conversations. Was it being rude?
[1:25:58] Speaker 3: I was quite polite about it, but they kicked me
[1:26:01] Speaker 3: off eventually. I think I was possibly true rational for them.
[1:26:04] Speaker 3: You know, it's like this idea that like rationality is
[1:26:08] Speaker 3: like no, only the ration, only the mind is real.
[1:26:12] Speaker 3: You know, it's actually quite a narcissistic perspective. It's what's
[1:26:17] Speaker 3: going on in here? All about this? It's nothing else
[1:26:22] Speaker 3: just that, right, It's nonsensical. Actually, it's doesn't make any
[1:26:27] Speaker 3: sense because it would make sense that that, you know,
[1:26:33] Speaker 3: just like the theoretical physicists say, well, there's all these
[1:26:36] Speaker 3: dimensions and all these realities, right, makes sense that there's
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: not just okay, what's going on in all these dimensions?
[1:26:45] Speaker 3: You know, they talk about these dimensions of these somehow
[1:26:49] Speaker 3: empty spaces, right, But it's like, what it's actually going
[1:26:53] Speaker 3: on there is there's some sort of sentience happening in
[1:26:56] Speaker 3: these dimensions. And I think, you know, I think you
[1:26:59] Speaker 3: can you can smoke DMT and you can have an
[1:27:03] Speaker 3: experience where you go into some sort of string theory world,
[1:27:09] Speaker 3: you know, and have an experience.
[1:27:12] Speaker 6: Way beyond the third dimensional, and then you come back
[1:27:15] Speaker 6: into the three D.
[1:27:16] Speaker 3: And you're like you're trying to bring it back and
[1:27:18] Speaker 3: you can't quite do it. It's just too hard to
[1:27:22] Speaker 3: you know. And I think that experience is good to have,
[1:27:26] Speaker 3: just to have go oh yeah, right, okay, well there's
[1:27:29] Speaker 3: we got this three D world, but there's all this
[1:27:32] Speaker 3: other stuff there too, Rather than this view was like, no, guys,
[1:27:37] Speaker 3: it's just us. It's just us monkeys. We don't know
[1:27:41] Speaker 3: what happened, but it.
[1:27:42] Speaker 7: Just it all just randomly assembled, this highly sophisticated organic machine,
[1:27:48] Speaker 7: amazingly muteated into this fabulously intelligent machine.
[1:27:53] Speaker 3: Isn't that wonderful? You know? And yeah it is, it
[1:27:57] Speaker 3: is wonderful, But it's like it's a non you know.
[1:28:02] Speaker 3: Look you look at the human body and the bones
[1:28:05] Speaker 3: and the lungs and the organs. It's like, yeah, yeah, guys,
[1:28:09] Speaker 3: it's just randomly assembled by mutation and chance. Because we
[1:28:13] Speaker 3: came out of the sea, right, and that's the thing.
[1:28:17] Speaker 3: We're kind of prisoner to this orthodoxy. And I've recently,
[1:28:22] Speaker 3: you know, I've been hearing from you know, people very
[1:28:26] Speaker 3: high up in the sort of scientific establishment. Not from them,
[1:28:29] Speaker 3: but people who know them, who say that, you know,
[1:28:33] Speaker 3: there's a ton of people who don't agree with the
[1:28:38] Speaker 3: theory of evolution, but they don't want to They don't
[1:28:41] Speaker 3: want to talk about it because they would lose credibility
[1:28:44] Speaker 3: and they lose their jobs. You know. It's like there's
[1:28:46] Speaker 3: a ton of people who don't want to talk about
[1:28:48] Speaker 3: their experience hyperdimensional consciousness. You know, they don't want to
[1:28:53] Speaker 3: talk about meeting faories and plant spirits and stuff like
[1:28:57] Speaker 3: this because they don't feel that they'd be they wouldn't
[1:29:01] Speaker 3: be taken credibly. Like I met a famous Australian cricket player.
[1:29:04] Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this game cricket. Yeah, yeah,
[1:29:08] Speaker 3: they played in India, Australia West Indies. I met this
[1:29:12] Speaker 3: like really famous you know one you know blokes, bloke,
[1:29:16] Speaker 3: you know, really well known. You would never think and
[1:29:20] Speaker 3: I met I met a friend of his who introduced
[1:29:22] Speaker 3: me to him, and he told me that he smoked
[1:29:25] Speaker 3: DMT and that he was in his garden. I hope
[1:29:32] Speaker 3: he's not watching this button anyway. He's anonymous. But he
[1:29:38] Speaker 3: was in his garden and he saw this theory, and
[1:29:42] Speaker 3: the fairy said to him in this Aussie voice, likedate,
[1:29:46] Speaker 3: what are you doing, like throwing cigarette butts in the garden.
[1:29:50] Speaker 3: Don't fucking do it, and then zipped out, and he
[1:29:56] Speaker 3: was like, WHOA, Okay, so fairies are real. So yeah,
[1:30:03] Speaker 3: I mean, but I don't think there's all these people
[1:30:06] Speaker 3: out they're in the you know, in the psychedelic world.
[1:30:09] Speaker 3: They have their own experiences and they have their own realities,
[1:30:14] Speaker 3: but they might be shy about, you know, talking about
[1:30:18] Speaker 3: plant spirits or you know, talking about other realities because.
[1:30:23] Speaker 8: We're we're in a sense, we're imprisoned by a cult
[1:30:29] Speaker 8: whereby materialism is the cult.
[1:30:33] Speaker 3: And that's our world. And to talk against or outside
[1:30:38] Speaker 3: of that box, you know, there's there's forces who don't
[1:30:43] Speaker 3: want us, who want us to be imprisoned in the
[1:30:46] Speaker 3: in the physical, in the apparent physical right. You know,
[1:30:49] Speaker 3: they don't want us to wake up out of that
[1:30:51] Speaker 3: and realize there's other stuff out there. So as soon
[1:30:54] Speaker 3: as you start talking about that I think people feel like, well,
[1:30:59] Speaker 3: you know, Kim Jong un, you know, or I e.
[1:31:02] Speaker 3: The tyranny. It's not gonna want that. I'm scared of
[1:31:06] Speaker 3: being you know, shot by submarine guns. You know. I
[1:31:11] Speaker 3: think people there's you know, and I think possibly, you know,
[1:31:18] Speaker 3: this is called the topic of all topics, and I
[1:31:21] Speaker 3: think that people are scared of talking about you know,
[1:31:27] Speaker 3: other dimensions entities because you know that factor and often
[1:31:34] Speaker 3: these people are at the more you know, the people
[1:31:38] Speaker 3: who should be our influences and really, you know, really,
[1:31:44] Speaker 3: you know, telling people how it is, a lot of
[1:31:47] Speaker 3: them are kind of cavetching and going more on the
[1:31:49] Speaker 3: fence and saying, oh, could be this could be that,
[1:31:53] Speaker 3: you know, whereas privately they know exactly what's happening, you know.
[1:31:57] Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's I think that's what's going on,
[1:32:02] Speaker 3: that we are in a kind of a tyranny, and
[1:32:06] Speaker 3: there is that threat, whether implied or actual, of like
[1:32:11] Speaker 3: don't talk about that because you you know, you'll get punished,
[1:32:15] Speaker 3: you know, or or whatever it is, or you'll you know,
[1:32:18] Speaker 3: your status will will go down in the scientific community,
[1:32:22] Speaker 3: or you won't get your you won't get your honorary doctorate.
[1:32:26] Speaker 3: Or you know, that's how a lot of these people
[1:32:29] Speaker 3: not putting anyone down, but a lot of people who
[1:32:31] Speaker 3: are in the high echelons of our you know, our
[1:32:35] Speaker 3: real thought leaders, say there that's they're really They're wanting
[1:32:40] Speaker 3: to be embraced by the establishment and the mainstream and
[1:32:45] Speaker 3: they want they want their message to get out there.
[1:32:48] Speaker 3: And I understand that. So they're scared of actually, you know,
[1:32:53] Speaker 3: being made fun of, because in our society, as soon
[1:32:56] Speaker 3: as you start talking about you know, little green men
[1:33:00] Speaker 3: or you know, anything that's outside of the cultural box,
[1:33:04] Speaker 3: I think, yeah, often there are people who want to
[1:33:07] Speaker 3: make fun of you. But I think, yeah, well, I
[1:33:09] Speaker 3: think Joe Rogan, I mean, it's quite phenomenal really that
[1:33:13] Speaker 3: the biggest podcaster in the world is someone has been
[1:33:17] Speaker 3: advocating for and understand. I think he really gets it.
[1:33:21] Speaker 3: And you know that hey like dmt How astounding, how amazing,
[1:33:27] Speaker 3: how significant is it? So I think in a sense
[1:33:31] Speaker 3: we have reason to be optimistic. And especially with these
[1:33:34] Speaker 3: d mt X studies, they're doing extended state DM and
[1:33:37] Speaker 3: there are people, you know, there are people like Andrew Gallimore,
[1:33:42] Speaker 3: you know who I really rate him as a human being,
[1:33:45] Speaker 3: as a researcher who are doing great work. And you know,
[1:33:50] Speaker 3: the people behind the d M t X research, they've
[1:33:54] Speaker 3: really got this open mind and they I think they
[1:33:58] Speaker 3: you know, they understand, they see the significance and the
[1:34:02] Speaker 3: meaning of this, because really what we have in d
[1:34:06] Speaker 3: MT is a way that we can access this, you know,
[1:34:13] Speaker 3: dimensions and realms that have previously been closed off to
[1:34:18] Speaker 3: the Western mind. You know, we've been imprisoned with this
[1:34:22] Speaker 3: within these religious structures where you know, which says well,
[1:34:26] Speaker 3: you need to you need to come to church if
[1:34:29] Speaker 3: you want to meet God, right, you know, and we're
[1:34:33] Speaker 3: going to read this book, and it's all in here.
[1:34:36] Speaker 3: And you know, DMT is radical because it's like, wait on,
[1:34:40] Speaker 3: you can just smoke this and you can you realize
[1:34:44] Speaker 3: you don't need the book. And so I know that
[1:34:48] Speaker 3: it's quite confronting. I have quite a few contacts in
[1:34:51] Speaker 3: the Israeli scene, interestingly enough, and in Israel, changa's quite
[1:34:57] Speaker 3: prevalent because I have a big psychoolic trans scene, and
[1:35:02] Speaker 3: I knowing Israel in particular for some reason, people were
[1:35:06] Speaker 3: telling me. Yet it's more confronting for the Israeli consciousness
[1:35:11] Speaker 3: to have that understanding of the hyperdimension or the other
[1:35:16] Speaker 3: dimension or the other worldly, the numinous, whatever you want
[1:35:19] Speaker 3: to call it. And having this sense that there's an
[1:35:23] Speaker 3: interchange of intelligence where you suddenly you don't need that
[1:35:27] Speaker 3: book anymore. You don't need those books, you know, and
[1:35:30] Speaker 3: that puts you outside of the realm of control. That
[1:35:34] Speaker 3: puts you outside of the realm of you know, divisive control.
[1:35:42] Speaker 3: You know, like pretty much all the most of the
[1:35:45] Speaker 3: Israelis I know are piece nicks, Like they didn't sign
[1:35:49] Speaker 3: up to the army, you know. I think in all
[1:35:51] Speaker 3: political stuff, we've got to realize there are a lot
[1:35:54] Speaker 3: of Israelis that went to jail because they didn't they
[1:35:57] Speaker 3: didn't want to go into the military, you know. So
[1:36:00] Speaker 3: we just hop space in all this conflict to respect,
[1:36:06] Speaker 3: you know, sacrifices that people made to to, you know,
[1:36:11] Speaker 3: for so there's a lot of cool Israelis out there.
[1:36:14] Speaker 3: And also that I have heard, I haven't met them,
[1:36:18] Speaker 3: that they have extracted d MT from acasias in Israel, too,
[1:36:24] Speaker 3: which is I've met. I met a I know, a
[1:36:27] Speaker 3: very well known psychedelic trance producer who go to Israel,
[1:36:33] Speaker 3: and he saw some people who extracted from a local
[1:36:39] Speaker 3: acacia right in front of his eyes. So this was
[1:36:42] Speaker 3: some years ago now when I went to Israel, that
[1:36:45] Speaker 3: didn't happen for me.
[1:36:47] Speaker 1: But I want to get a little deeper into the
[1:36:53] Speaker 1: possible dangers if any of interacting with some of these
[1:36:58] Speaker 1: intelligences would the nature of their intentions, if there is
[1:37:03] Speaker 1: any intentions for me. Before I even started exploring my
[1:37:09] Speaker 1: consciousness with mushrooms or any type of psychedelics, I was
[1:37:13] Speaker 1: able to make contact with what I understand is my
[1:37:16] Speaker 1: guides and my higher self through meditation sessions, and it
[1:37:20] Speaker 1: was through this initial contact that my guides instructed me
[1:37:24] Speaker 1: that psilocybin or magic mushrooms would be very beneficial in
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: aligning with my purpose and my journey in finding out
[1:37:32] Speaker 1: more about myself and what I have to do. So
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: I took the advice of these mysterious voices that I
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: encountered during my meditation session and started utilizing psychedelics. But
[1:37:44] Speaker 1: I was under the understanding that these guides made contact
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: with me so that I could have protection during these experiences,
[1:37:55] Speaker 1: because somehow, you know how these things work. I knew
[1:37:58] Speaker 1: that I'd be eventually exploring these realms with psychedelics, so
[1:38:03] Speaker 1: I apparently approached myself and offered myself protection. So through
[1:38:09] Speaker 1: my experiences, I was always protected when interacting with some
[1:38:12] Speaker 1: of these other intelligences. And even though I would contact
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: tricksters and what seemed like lower vibrational entities, I'd always
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: feel safe with the interaction because my guides would be
[1:38:25] Speaker 1: there to steer me in the right direction or tell
[1:38:28] Speaker 1: me no, don't interact with this thing. So is there
[1:38:31] Speaker 1: any true danger to interacting with these things, especially without protection?
[1:38:36] Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well there's a lot of talk interestingly about
[1:38:42] Speaker 3: people who are being injured through meditation recently. I don't
[1:38:46] Speaker 3: know if you've been catching any of that dialogue, right,
[1:38:50] Speaker 3: there's an interesting podcast that was on James Jesso's podcast recently,
[1:38:58] Speaker 3: and just a general I've been hearing about it more
[1:39:01] Speaker 3: and morphine people. So in my understanding that that if
[1:39:09] Speaker 3: you have these transcendental experiences and you have this awakening
[1:39:16] Speaker 3: and you come into these powerful states, from my perspective,
[1:39:22] Speaker 3: what can happen is that you can actually be possibly
[1:39:29] Speaker 3: confronted with forces who don't want you to awaken. And
[1:39:35] Speaker 3: I think a lot of people might go into meditation
[1:39:38] Speaker 3: or life itself. You know, human no one really tells
[1:39:44] Speaker 3: us that, you know, guys, don't be careful because you know,
[1:39:51] Speaker 3: if you awaken to a certain capacity, you're going to
[1:39:56] Speaker 3: be a threat to the powers that be, right, you know,
[1:39:59] Speaker 3: we have this it's a little bit in Australia. It's
[1:40:01] Speaker 3: called the tall Poppy syndrome, where it's like everyone is
[1:40:05] Speaker 3: trying to cut you down all the time and prevent
[1:40:09] Speaker 3: you from growing at all. So not many people in
[1:40:12] Speaker 3: Australia get to the point of much growth because it's
[1:40:15] Speaker 3: such a crab bucket culture, right, But it's not like
[1:40:20] Speaker 3: that in many cultures. It's quite you know, you you're
[1:40:24] Speaker 3: you're you're supposed to become as great as you can
[1:40:28] Speaker 3: and you know, reach the highest place.
[1:40:30] Speaker 2: You know.
[1:40:30] Speaker 3: It certainly is elements like that in Australia too. But
[1:40:34] Speaker 3: I would say in my understanding that yeah, if you
[1:40:38] Speaker 3: do reach a certain point of spiritual development and awareness
[1:40:44] Speaker 3: and you start to understand say the matrix, right, then
[1:40:48] Speaker 3: you I think you might actually trip a wire somewhere
[1:40:52] Speaker 3: or send off an alarm and suddenly you're going to
[1:40:56] Speaker 3: be confronted with some beings who might be enforced with
[1:41:03] Speaker 3: kind of shutting you down. You know. So this is
[1:41:06] Speaker 3: just my interpretation and how I've interpreted what I understand now,
[1:41:11] Speaker 3: and so I experience myself these days. If I'm up leveling,
[1:41:17] Speaker 3: if I'm moving up a level, as it were, and
[1:41:20] Speaker 3: I'm you know, increasing my vibration or whatever you want
[1:41:23] Speaker 3: to call it, I find that I do get attacked.
[1:41:28] Speaker 3: But I know how to defend myself now, so it's
[1:41:30] Speaker 3: not a problem for me. But if I didn't know
[1:41:34] Speaker 3: how to defend myself, it would really be a problem.
[1:41:38] Speaker 3: And I think, like what you said, I think if
[1:41:42] Speaker 3: people do have a connection to guides or beings who
[1:41:49] Speaker 3: can protect them, who can guide them, I think that's
[1:41:52] Speaker 3: how a lot of the you know, a lot of
[1:41:56] Speaker 3: people actually do it, who do reach these dates. And
[1:42:00] Speaker 3: it's well known that people like Jesus and Buddha, you know,
[1:42:04] Speaker 3: in their process of enlightenment, that they had to go
[1:42:07] Speaker 3: through a confrontation with the forces that control the planet.
[1:42:12] Speaker 3: That's all well documented in the religious texts, where they
[1:42:17] Speaker 3: actually have to break through that barrier. And I think, yeah,
[1:42:22] Speaker 3: I think it's if you don't know about it, I
[1:42:27] Speaker 3: think it can be a bit of a shock. And
[1:42:30] Speaker 3: I do meet people who are you flying along and
[1:42:34] Speaker 3: they're starting to really get somewhere, and then they go splat.
[1:42:37] Speaker 3: You know, I'm seeing it more and more and more,
[1:42:41] Speaker 3: and they just suddenly okay, you know, super light worker being,
[1:42:46] Speaker 3: you know, healing the world. Oh you're homeless and mentally ill,
[1:42:49] Speaker 3: you know. So it happens to people more than we think.
[1:42:53] Speaker 3: And what I see is that, yeah, there are these
[1:42:59] Speaker 3: there are these beings who you know, don't want humanity
[1:43:04] Speaker 3: to wake up. They don't want individuals to wake up.
[1:43:09] Speaker 3: They want to maintain a kind of a tyranny. And yeah,
[1:43:16] Speaker 3: so that so very often I think, yeah, it is
[1:43:21] Speaker 3: something to be really aware of. And it's not that
[1:43:24] Speaker 3: much discussion of it in our culture because it's pretty
[1:43:27] Speaker 3: much the topic is sort of a botom, you know,
[1:43:30] Speaker 3: it's like, don't talk about that, you know, that's not allowed.
[1:43:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, earlier you were seeing how you had tried the
[1:43:41] Speaker 1: dmt V pins and it was a very cold and
[1:43:45] Speaker 1: disconnected experience and it didn't seem like it had this
[1:43:49] Speaker 1: natural connection to what you would call source or even nature.
[1:43:55] Speaker 1: It was very cold. And I experienced this with LSD
[1:44:00] Speaker 1: And this was a couple of years ago, after I
[1:44:02] Speaker 1: had started my consciousness exploration. Somebody had offered me some
[1:44:06] Speaker 1: and I mistakenly took it because I was very curious
[1:44:11] Speaker 1: about the experience. I hadn't done it since I was
[1:44:14] Speaker 1: very young, in my teenage years, and I found the
[1:44:17] Speaker 1: experience to be very cold, and I felt like I
[1:44:20] Speaker 1: was connecting with something that didn't have humanity's best interest
[1:44:24] Speaker 1: in mind. And I'm wondering that if this is another
[1:44:28] Speaker 1: danger for people who are utilizing different types of psychedelics
[1:44:32] Speaker 1: that may not have that plant spirit connection that you
[1:44:36] Speaker 1: were talking about, and maybe connecting to something else.
[1:44:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah. I go into this in my
[1:44:43] Speaker 3: book Articulations, which is like almost ten years old now,
[1:44:47] Speaker 3: and I talk about this. I talk about taking research
[1:44:52] Speaker 3: chemicals like DOC and two CB and you know, and
[1:44:57] Speaker 3: those used to be more common fifteen twenty years ago,
[1:45:00] Speaker 3: but now China isn't allowed legally allowed to make them.
[1:45:04] Speaker 3: They're not as prevalent as they used to be. And
[1:45:07] Speaker 3: I would see that there is an intelligent synthetic being
[1:45:13] Speaker 3: that I would call that I call the anima, and
[1:45:17] Speaker 3: that's that anima is a like a life force, but
[1:45:24] Speaker 3: it's not entrenched within the organic systems within the Earth.
[1:45:28] Speaker 3: It's an artificial intelligence. And a lot of these intelligences
[1:45:35] Speaker 3: are quite new. They were made in a lab and suddenly, yeah,
[1:45:39] Speaker 3: the intelligence. It's like you don't have a plant spirit anymore.
[1:45:43] Speaker 3: You have this anima which is a synthetic intelligence, and
[1:45:48] Speaker 3: it it actually does guide you to some degree, but
[1:45:53] Speaker 3: it it doesn't necessarily have your best interest at heart,
[1:45:58] Speaker 3: and it doesn't necessarily want you know, it in some
[1:46:04] Speaker 3: of them, and they're all different, of course, some of them,
[1:46:07] Speaker 3: and it depends on who made them as well where
[1:46:10] Speaker 3: they come from. You know, like LSD is LSD is
[1:46:14] Speaker 3: a semi synthetic substance made from the ergot, and so
[1:46:18] Speaker 3: ergot mean is the precursor to then they kind of
[1:46:21] Speaker 3: tweak the ergo to MEAN, which is like, yeah, it's
[1:46:25] Speaker 3: a it's a fungus sort of that grows on the rye,
[1:46:28] Speaker 3: and then they tweak it to become LSD. So it's fun.
[1:46:32] Speaker 3: It's semi synthetic, it's half synthetic. So it's like the
[1:46:36] Speaker 3: original ergot. If you take that, you're going to go
[1:46:38] Speaker 3: mad and die. You know, back in the day, you
[1:46:42] Speaker 3: know that the people eating the bread that was affected
[1:46:46] Speaker 3: with the ergot, and you know, the whole town would
[1:46:48] Speaker 3: go mad and die, you know, and really not good.
[1:46:51] Speaker 3: So I think there's something I don't think that LSD
[1:46:57] Speaker 3: is malevolent, and I think my experience with LSD is
[1:47:03] Speaker 3: a lot of it depends on who made it, why
[1:47:05] Speaker 3: they were making it, what ingredients they used, you know,
[1:47:09] Speaker 3: so what it's almost like they're making a monster, or
[1:47:13] Speaker 3: you know, it's a good monster in this sense, they're
[1:47:15] Speaker 3: making the anima. And sometimes it can be more positive
[1:47:20] Speaker 3: than others, and sometimes the experience can be quite you know,
[1:47:26] Speaker 3: sort of tacky and superficial and not very not very
[1:47:32] Speaker 3: helpful and a bit you know me. Other times, some
[1:47:37] Speaker 3: LSD can be you know, if the people making and
[1:47:39] Speaker 3: have got fucking crystals there and they're praying and whatever,
[1:47:43] Speaker 3: and there are people aware of who are making LSD,
[1:47:46] Speaker 3: in that manner, you're going to have a much more
[1:47:50] Speaker 3: sort of transcendent experience. And maybe the people making it
[1:47:56] Speaker 3: they actually know that they're making an an anime, they're
[1:48:01] Speaker 3: creating a being in a way that is guiding people.
[1:48:04] Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think it can really vary batch
[1:48:07] Speaker 3: to batch, especially I find even synthetic five of MEO
[1:48:11] Speaker 3: d m T, you know, the stuff made from China
[1:48:15] Speaker 3: almost not even more worrying about, whereas the stuff made
[1:48:19] Speaker 3: by people who love five of me O d MT.
[1:48:22] Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a world of difference. You know,
[1:48:26] Speaker 3: it's completely different. So, you know, I think there is
[1:48:30] Speaker 3: That's the thing. I used to like the synthetics because
[1:48:34] Speaker 3: there was no guiding principle in there was just this
[1:48:38] Speaker 3: blank screen and I can sort of, you know, I
[1:48:42] Speaker 3: didn't have to deal with so much. I you know,
[1:48:46] Speaker 3: I think there's the plant spirits and the mushrooms, they're
[1:48:50] Speaker 3: they're they're kind of limiting you to a certain degree.
[1:48:54] Speaker 3: They're putting limits on you, whereas its synthetics there's not limits.
[1:48:59] Speaker 3: And I think some times you can cross the threshold
[1:49:03] Speaker 3: and maybe go a bit far and trigger some events
[1:49:07] Speaker 3: that maybe weren't supposed to be triggered, and you could
[1:49:10] Speaker 3: get some you know, strange feedback. You get some strange
[1:49:16] Speaker 3: experiences there. So you know, with Keadine you can experience
[1:49:20] Speaker 3: and in real time you've got you're triggering these events
[1:49:23] Speaker 3: and you know, you're in these different worlds and suddenly
[1:49:26] Speaker 3: something happens that maybe doesn't feel like it should have
[1:49:29] Speaker 3: supposed to be happened that you created, and you know,
[1:49:32] Speaker 3: maybe pissed off some beans and some far dimension and
[1:49:35] Speaker 3: they you know, it's a little bit like that sometimes.
[1:49:40] Speaker 1: Now this leads to what I want to spend the
[1:49:44] Speaker 1: last few minutes on it, and that's the medicalization of
[1:49:48] Speaker 1: psychedelics and what is being attempted. And if you're concerned
[1:49:53] Speaker 1: about what's happening, I know that with psilocybin there's talk
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: of utilizing it for pharmaceutical purposes, But would that mean
[1:50:05] Speaker 1: that the spiritual component, the plant guide would no longer
[1:50:09] Speaker 1: be there? What do you think about what's happening here?
[1:50:13] Speaker 3: I think a lot of it's kind of beside the point,
[1:50:16] Speaker 3: like none of us much to do with the psychedelic revelation.
[1:50:19] Speaker 3: I mean, you're seeing all these companies trying to create
[1:50:22] Speaker 3: these compounds that are probably not going to be as
[1:50:25] Speaker 3: effective as sila side natural silas cyber and they're going
[1:50:28] Speaker 3: to be patented and whatever. And I think a lot
[1:50:30] Speaker 3: of it's going probably better than nothing, or better than
[1:50:33] Speaker 3: just therapy. But a lot of it's you know, treating Really,
[1:50:38] Speaker 3: from my perspective, this isn't a you know, we're not
[1:50:42] Speaker 3: you know, treating PTSD is important, treating depressions important, but
[1:50:46] Speaker 3: you know, honestly, as people who are interested in these states,
[1:50:51] Speaker 3: it's more about the spiritual awareness and the exploration and
[1:50:57] Speaker 3: the self understanding and the awakening and the you know,
[1:51:03] Speaker 3: the interpersonal alchemy and the magic that we can create,
[1:51:06] Speaker 3: all that stuff, all this human potential stuff that people
[1:51:09] Speaker 3: had in the sixties, you know, in a way, you know,
[1:51:14] Speaker 3: having all these traumatized people, because in Australia, I know
[1:51:18] Speaker 3: a lot of the these traumatized people are kind of
[1:51:21] Speaker 3: running the show, you know, that they get into these
[1:51:24] Speaker 3: positions of power kind of and suddenly you know, there's
[1:51:30] Speaker 3: quite a lot of manipulation and deception. And you know,
[1:51:33] Speaker 3: I've hung up with traumatized people, I know, traumatized people.
[1:51:38] Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it can get very messy. And
[1:51:41] Speaker 3: I think what we're seeing is something. And I've been
[1:51:44] Speaker 3: putting this message out whenever I can, on podcasts and
[1:51:48] Speaker 3: in my own writings. I think we're going to see
[1:51:51] Speaker 3: a lot of mess and then a lot of people going.
[1:51:54] Speaker 6: See psychedelics are bad. No, not less, no, not necessarily.
[1:52:02] Speaker 6: It's like, well, that's just how I think. There are
[1:52:05] Speaker 6: forces who want to, you know, derail this project. You know,
[1:52:10] Speaker 6: I think there's forces who are like, well, we can't
[1:52:12] Speaker 6: stop this, so let's just kind of co opt and
[1:52:16] Speaker 6: capture what we can and steer it.
[1:52:18] Speaker 1: That's what happens with every good movement.
[1:52:21] Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those of us who are watching,
[1:52:24] Speaker 3: we see that with everything. Were like, yeah, okay.
[1:52:30] Speaker 1: Right on now for the last few minutes, we have
[1:52:32] Speaker 1: tell us all about your film Contemplations.
[1:52:37] Speaker 3: So I filmed Contemplations, you know, in a couple of
[1:52:42] Speaker 3: years before COVID, and then you know, started really doing
[1:52:45] Speaker 3: the editing in COVID times, and then you know, a
[1:52:50] Speaker 3: couple of years later released it and yeah, it's two
[1:52:55] Speaker 3: hours where I documenting the Australian scene and what people
[1:53:00] Speaker 3: really think, because I think in the kind of general conversation,
[1:53:04] Speaker 3: a lot of the real most interesting voices I'm not
[1:53:08] Speaker 3: the established authorities. They are the people on the street,
[1:53:12] Speaker 3: you know, who are actually taking the mushrooms, taking the
[1:53:14] Speaker 3: cactus and doing the medicine work. They're not seeking attention,
[1:53:18] Speaker 3: they're not seeking power, and they really know what they're
[1:53:20] Speaker 3: talking about and they have a little wisdom. So I
[1:53:23] Speaker 3: wanted to document a lot of these people and share
[1:53:26] Speaker 3: their wisdom and perspective because you know, I think we
[1:53:30] Speaker 3: only often hear about on podcasts or whatever about you know,
[1:53:34] Speaker 3: these famous people, well known people who often don't really
[1:53:38] Speaker 3: have that much experience. So you know, I wanted to
[1:53:40] Speaker 3: explore issues like the beings and plant spirits and you know,
[1:53:45] Speaker 3: the difficult and dark experiences that people have and try
[1:53:49] Speaker 3: and be honest and true to that. So I think
[1:53:51] Speaker 3: the medicalization context, you know, they're like psychop ellics.
[1:53:55] Speaker 6: Are good, like no worries here.
[1:53:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like no psychedelics there. There are issues, there
[1:54:03] Speaker 3: are problems, and there's dangers, and so I really wanted
[1:54:08] Speaker 3: to create this very honest conversation to kind of counterpoint
[1:54:12] Speaker 3: the very I wouldn't necessarily call it dishonest, but rather
[1:54:17] Speaker 3: shallow conversation that's happening in the medicalization field. You know,
[1:54:22] Speaker 3: the medicalization people are like.
[1:54:24] Speaker 6: Yeah, we're trying to be a trojan horse and you know,
[1:54:27] Speaker 6: get into the mainstream and before you know it, they
[1:54:30] Speaker 6: become the trojan horse and they've got you know, a kid,
[1:54:34] Speaker 6: kids and mortgage and they're they're.
[1:54:36] Speaker 3: They're all the way in, you know. So yeah, it's basically,
[1:54:41] Speaker 3: you know, Contemplations is really designed to say, hey, guys, like, yeah,
[1:54:46] Speaker 3: psychedelics are amazing, wonderful, powerful tools that we can use
[1:54:53] Speaker 3: and give people some guidance and give people some some
[1:54:59] Speaker 3: perspective and tools that I don't think are being communicated
[1:55:03] Speaker 3: in other places, so that, you know, to really give
[1:55:06] Speaker 3: people some confidence to really DIY because I think that
[1:55:12] Speaker 3: I can't necessarily see that much happening, say, within the
[1:55:17] Speaker 3: framework of the establishment for quite some time. You know.
[1:55:20] Speaker 3: It's like, if we really want to do the work,
[1:55:22] Speaker 3: we've got to you know, use the tools, take them
[1:55:25] Speaker 3: into our own hands, and yeah, find out how they work.
[1:55:30] Speaker 1: Last thing, do you think that what's happening with the
[1:55:35] Speaker 1: renewed interest in psychedelics and the more people that are
[1:55:39] Speaker 1: becoming interested in utilizing plant medicines, that it could have
[1:55:43] Speaker 1: a larger effect on the collective field of consciousness and
[1:55:48] Speaker 1: maybe cause a little bit of an uptick in our
[1:55:51] Speaker 1: consciousness evolution.
[1:55:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think that's already happening. And there's all
[1:56:00] Speaker 3: you know, in Australia we've had DMT. You know, a
[1:56:04] Speaker 3: lot of people been smoking DMT. Like DMT has reached
[1:56:08] Speaker 3: all levels of society, has reached everyone, and you know
[1:56:13] Speaker 3: not you know a lot of famous, high profile people,
[1:56:16] Speaker 3: people in positions of power. So there's a little revolution
[1:56:20] Speaker 3: that's going on, you know, And I travel all over
[1:56:22] Speaker 3: the world. I know many countries, a lot of people
[1:56:26] Speaker 3: are taking mushrooms. They're microdocing mushrooms. You know, a lot
[1:56:30] Speaker 3: of people are drinking ayahuasca and they're you know people,
[1:56:35] Speaker 3: I know, people who are healing the trauma. Who are
[1:56:39] Speaker 3: you know, clearing themselves of all this baggage, and they're
[1:56:42] Speaker 3: really doing this powerful work. And I think, yeah, you know,
[1:56:47] Speaker 3: despite at times, you know, things can look abad on
[1:56:52] Speaker 3: the Internet, actually you get out there in the real world,
[1:56:57] Speaker 3: there's a lot of people actually waking up and you know,
[1:57:02] Speaker 3: getting with it and getting much clearer and you know,
[1:57:06] Speaker 3: becoming more aligned and connected to themselves. So yeah, I
[1:57:10] Speaker 3: think there's a lot of there's a lot of room
[1:57:12] Speaker 3: for optimism. So I think if you just, yeah, if
[1:57:16] Speaker 3: you look on Twitter all the Internet, it's just a
[1:57:18] Speaker 3: shit show of you know.
[1:57:20] Speaker 5: Programming, counterprogramming, confusion, you know, all these distractions. When it's like, yeah,
[1:57:26] Speaker 5: it's still you know, it's amazing that you know, we're
[1:57:30] Speaker 5: in a place now that more and more people are
[1:57:34] Speaker 5: able and then can actually access these materials and go
[1:57:39] Speaker 5: about it.
[1:57:40] Speaker 3: And and and and and do this in a work
[1:57:45] Speaker 3: and have these awakenings. So yeah, it's it's actually quite
[1:57:49] Speaker 3: quite an exciting time.
[1:57:51] Speaker 1: I would say, yes, I agree, this was great information, Julian.
[1:57:55] Speaker 1: Before we close out, let the audience know how they
[1:57:59] Speaker 1: can find out more about you.
[1:58:02] Speaker 3: So I've got a website. It's ww Julianpalmerism dot com.
[1:58:08] Speaker 3: Contemplations you can watch for free on twobtob dot tv.
[1:58:13] Speaker 3: It's on Amazon as well, you know, no ads. And
[1:58:17] Speaker 3: I've got a book Articulations on the Utilizations of Meaning Psychedelics,
[1:58:22] Speaker 3: which is you know, on Amazon and you know, get
[1:58:25] Speaker 3: your local bookstore to order it. So yeah, that's that's uh.
[1:58:30] Speaker 3: You know, I'm on social media. Connect to me.
[1:58:32] Speaker 1: There, perfect, Julian, this was great. I'd love to do
[1:58:36] Speaker 1: this again in the future. There's much more we could discuss.
[1:58:40] Speaker 1: And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll
[1:58:43] Speaker 1: talk again tomorrow. We'll see y'all.
[1:58:46] Speaker 2: Then you can.
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