# FKN Classics Double Feature! Jonny Enoch - ET Future | Tobe Johnson & Simeon Hein - Sasquatch

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 12 Jun 2026, 2 h 15 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
[0:10] Speaker 1: my guest is Johnny Enoch. He is a clinical hypnotherapist, lecturer,
[0:14] Speaker 1: and writer. He has been researching extraterrestrial phenomena and esoteric
[0:19] Speaker 1: subjects for over twenty years, and his search for answers
[0:22] Speaker 1: has led him on adventures all over the world. Johnny,
[0:26] Speaker 1: welcome back. How you doing.
[0:28] Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Chris, thanks for having me back on
[0:30] Speaker 2: your show. It's always great talking to you and the
[0:33] Speaker 2: Forbidden Knowledge listeners.
[0:34] Speaker 1: Of course, Man, it's amazing to have you back. I
[0:37] Speaker 1: love our discussions. Every time we speak is wonderful and
[0:40] Speaker 1: the world is a much different place every time as well,
[0:43] Speaker 1: in many aspects. Whether we're participating in those aspects are
[0:48] Speaker 1: not really it depends on us on an individual basis.
[0:51] Speaker 1: But even so the world will continue to change, whether
[0:54] Speaker 1: we like it or not, or participate with it or not,
[0:58] Speaker 1: and eventually all these changes are going to affect us
[1:01] Speaker 1: in some way.
[1:02] Speaker 3: Now.
[1:02] Speaker 1: Unfortunately, many in this community of true seekers tend to
[1:06] Speaker 1: only focus on the negative aspects of future possibilities and
[1:11] Speaker 1: technologies and things that we're dealing with right now. But
[1:14] Speaker 1: I believe that we can still shape a very amazing
[1:17] Speaker 1: future for ourselves and future generations. And you are telling
[1:21] Speaker 1: me some amazing things that we're going to be discussing
[1:24] Speaker 1: today that we could possibly look to in the future,
[1:26] Speaker 1: and some amazing discoveries and information and disclosures. And you're
[1:31] Speaker 1: always an extremely busy man traveling the globe exploring mysteries.
[1:35] Speaker 1: Let's start with this. How was last year for you
[1:38] Speaker 1: and your explorations. It's a new year now.
[1:41] Speaker 2: Last year was incredibly busy. I got to talk to
[1:44] Speaker 2: all sorts of very interesting people that had a lot
[1:47] Speaker 2: of fascinating things to say in many different places. And
[1:50] Speaker 2: that's the thing about traveling. If you travel a lot,
[1:54] Speaker 2: it's the equivalency of having a really good education, and
[1:58] Speaker 2: you learn so much about the human condition, about what
[2:02] Speaker 2: people are going through, but also certain mentalities. We have
[2:05] Speaker 2: different perspectives Let's say in North America that you would
[2:09] Speaker 2: in another continent, that once you go over there, you
[2:12] Speaker 2: get a different view all the way around. And so
[2:16] Speaker 2: there are a lot of changes happening universally as well
[2:19] Speaker 2: when we look at these patterns. So I would say
[2:21] Speaker 2: it was a good year for learning where we're headed.
[2:24] Speaker 2: But a lot has changed even since you and Eyelash talked.
[2:28] Speaker 1: Yes a lot, has Man, Maybe we could go over
[2:30] Speaker 1: some of those things. I know that you've been looking
[2:33] Speaker 1: into a lot of new types of topics and a
[2:36] Speaker 1: lot of some of the same things you always have.
[2:38] Speaker 1: But one of those things is ancient technologies, and we're
[2:41] Speaker 1: talking a little bit about that before we get started.
[2:43] Speaker 1: Maybe we could get into some of those things that
[2:45] Speaker 1: you've been looking into when it comes to our ancient
[2:48] Speaker 1: past and the technologies that we possibly could have had.
[2:52] Speaker 2: Well, I want to say when you look back at
[2:55] Speaker 2: let's say, the ancient Egyptians, they had an understanding of
[3:01] Speaker 2: the universe, They had an understanding of sound. They had
[3:05] Speaker 2: a way of upgrading the body. We've discussed before, the
[3:08] Speaker 2: white powder of gold that certain elites in the Egyptian
[3:13] Speaker 2: hierarchy were consuming. At some point there was even a
[3:16] Speaker 2: reactor over by the Dead Sea. And what this white
[3:19] Speaker 2: powder of gold did is it upgraded the bioelectrical fields
[3:23] Speaker 2: of the body, and it allowed them to declcify their
[3:27] Speaker 2: pineal gland and go to certain places. They understood how
[3:31] Speaker 2: to traverse areas of the universe, and they may have
[3:35] Speaker 2: called that the underworld of the Duat. But to the Babylonians,
[3:40] Speaker 2: they had a name for this place called the plane
[3:42] Speaker 2: of Chaharn, like the rows of Sharon. Now this might
[3:46] Speaker 2: sound completely crazy to certain people, but we have an
[3:49] Speaker 2: understanding of something that has been made popular in our
[3:53] Speaker 2: movies and in our culture called a stargate. Well, this
[3:56] Speaker 2: isn't just some fan fiction thing. This is actually described
[4:00] Speaker 2: in ancient Egypt. This is described there upon the walls.
[4:04] Speaker 2: And one thing that you find associated with this in
[4:07] Speaker 2: many areas is that you find associated with it sound
[4:11] Speaker 2: or harmonics. And whenever you see let's say this gate
[4:16] Speaker 2: and you have like a mouth open, it's like the
[4:18] Speaker 2: word open SAYSMEI, there's a vibratory way of accessing these things.
[4:24] Speaker 2: Or you see Hathor. Hathor was associated with sound and vibration.
[4:29] Speaker 2: We see that there were these harmonic resonances or keys,
[4:35] Speaker 2: if you will, and when we look at how these
[4:38] Speaker 2: could be accessed, I want to go a step further
[4:40] Speaker 2: in say that I believe this was the key to
[4:43] Speaker 2: a lot of the ancient technologies that the Egyptians had.
[4:47] Speaker 1: When we're talking about the Egyptians and hidden technologies, you
[4:51] Speaker 1: also mentioned earlier the possibilities of what's under the Giza
[4:55] Speaker 1: Plateau in underground chambers, could you possibly could you go
[4:59] Speaker 1: into a little bit of what you discovered could possibly
[5:02] Speaker 1: be in there?
[5:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, I can, And I also want to bring it
[5:05] Speaker 2: back to Stargates in a moment because there are certain
[5:09] Speaker 2: discoveries that have been made there that I told you
[5:12] Speaker 2: before the show. I'll be speaking about at the upcoming
[5:14] Speaker 2: Conscious Life Expo. But underneath the Giza Plateau there have
[5:19] Speaker 2: been all sorts of classified discoveries there that haven't been
[5:23] Speaker 2: made public, especially when you go under what was known
[5:26] Speaker 2: as the Osiris Shaft. That whole area was all flooded up,
[5:30] Speaker 2: and there are records about this. In fact, one figure
[5:37] Speaker 2: that people might be familiar with over the years that
[5:40] Speaker 2: has been on Gaya and other shows speaking out as
[5:43] Speaker 2: Rick Doty. I know you're familiar with him. A Rick
[5:45] Speaker 2: Doty has in his possession documents about what had gone
[5:49] Speaker 2: on in these discoveries. But essentially all kinds of technologies
[5:55] Speaker 2: that you might find for the transpositioning of consciousness, for
[6:00] Speaker 2: different ways of building things. When you see how the
[6:03] Speaker 2: Egyptians were building things, it was very much like the
[6:06] Speaker 2: coral castles. They were using sounds, they were using like
[6:11] Speaker 2: a harmonic oscillation. Let's say, when people talk about how
[6:14] Speaker 2: did they cut so perfectly into things that looks like
[6:17] Speaker 2: they used a laser, Well, I believe there was a
[6:21] Speaker 2: tool that they possessed that was a very special type
[6:23] Speaker 2: of crystal, and this crystal, when it was vibrated with
[6:28] Speaker 2: a certain resonance or intensity, this intensity was able to
[6:32] Speaker 2: cut through things that are very hard. And there's other
[6:37] Speaker 2: ways that they did things, like even when when they
[6:42] Speaker 2: were making hieroglyphics, for example, I believe they were using
[6:44] Speaker 2: a type of chemistry. And my very good friend Timothy
[6:48] Speaker 2: Hogan has demonstrated that over at the Getty Museum. He's
[6:51] Speaker 2: done lectures on alchemy that they were using like a
[6:53] Speaker 2: type of hydrofluoric acid which can eat through granite, and
[6:57] Speaker 2: they're using stencils. So they were very advanced idea of chemistry.
[7:01] Speaker 2: They had an idea of a type of a technology
[7:03] Speaker 2: they possess, and when many of these things have been
[7:06] Speaker 2: discovered in the past, the antiquities of their job was
[7:11] Speaker 2: to suppress these discoveries. But what people have to keep
[7:14] Speaker 2: in mind about the Giza Plateau, for example, is the
[7:17] Speaker 2: Giza Plateau is completely artificially leveled underneath it there are
[7:21] Speaker 2: these ancient moon temples, and this is part of the
[7:26] Speaker 2: reason why the Sphinx is far older than the top
[7:29] Speaker 2: part of the pyramid. The subterranean chambers where you go
[7:33] Speaker 2: down underneath the pyramid is far older. And the group,
[7:39] Speaker 2: if you want to call them, the Predynastics or the
[7:41] Speaker 2: pre cataclysmics, that built the top part of the pyramid,
[7:45] Speaker 2: and we won't go into that today, but we find
[7:49] Speaker 2: all kinds of clues about who they are, Like under
[7:51] Speaker 2: the Giza plateau by the Osyris shaft up in areas,
[7:54] Speaker 2: we find a writing that is like the ancient Hungarian
[7:58] Speaker 2: which is connected to the ancient Ease, which is why
[8:01] Speaker 2: you find pyramids there as well. But there were groups
[8:05] Speaker 2: that came to this particular place and built up on
[8:08] Speaker 2: top of that. So the top part of the Great
[8:10] Speaker 2: Pyramid is actually a lot newer than what's below it. Now.
[8:16] Speaker 2: When we bring it back over to what we were
[8:17] Speaker 2: talking about Babylon earlier, I was telling you about these
[8:21] Speaker 2: ancient technologies that have been on this planet for a
[8:23] Speaker 2: long time, and there are people that are aware of this.
[8:26] Speaker 2: This is greatly suppressed. And again there are people who
[8:31] Speaker 2: have a very pragmatic mind. They are not open to
[8:35] Speaker 2: these possibilities. They don't understand that there is a far
[8:39] Speaker 2: more interesting story going on right under your nose that
[8:43] Speaker 2: the average person is not aware of that when we
[8:47] Speaker 2: look at this, I've had very interesting conversations with certain
[8:50] Speaker 2: people in certain places now. For example, I was contacted
[8:57] Speaker 2: not too long ago by a gentleman who is dying
[9:00] Speaker 2: of cancer and he's undergoing radiation and chemotherapy. He didn't
[9:05] Speaker 2: have much longer to live, and he said to me
[9:08] Speaker 2: when I was over in Europe, I really want to
[9:10] Speaker 2: talk to you. He showed me his credentials. He is
[9:12] Speaker 2: a military veteran. He's been involved in the unacknowledged and
[9:15] Speaker 2: special access programs, and so was his friend. They're both
[9:21] Speaker 2: retired veterans, they're both under medical care. They both showed
[9:24] Speaker 2: me their documentation. Everything about them checks out. I flew
[9:29] Speaker 2: out to see them. I had Daniel Brinkley with me,
[9:32] Speaker 2: who was also a veteran, and he checked them out also,
[9:35] Speaker 2: and they told me some very interesting things that they
[9:38] Speaker 2: wanted to get off their chest, not only about ets
[9:40] Speaker 2: and stuff. You know that they had retrieved very interesting
[9:43] Speaker 2: stories that were very strange.
[9:45] Speaker 1: Now, how old approximately are these gentlemen, I want.
[9:49] Speaker 2: To say, in their sixties, late sixties. So I went
[9:55] Speaker 2: out to meet with them, and this gentleman told me
[9:59] Speaker 2: some fascinat things, that there was a retrieval of a
[10:04] Speaker 2: stargate and this was in Iraq, and it was one
[10:08] Speaker 2: of the real reasons we went to Iraq. Now we've
[10:10] Speaker 2: all heard this story before, and people have talked about
[10:12] Speaker 2: it on the internet, but this is the first time
[10:14] Speaker 2: I've ever heard someone come forward and they told me
[10:17] Speaker 2: the details about what happened and this stargate that they
[10:21] Speaker 2: were retrieving the parts for it. This was in Assyria,
[10:27] Speaker 2: and this is in the ancient city of Earth, which
[10:29] Speaker 2: was nearly three hundred and seventy kilometers southeast of Baghdad.
[10:34] Speaker 2: Now this isn't the first time that such stargates have
[10:38] Speaker 2: been found and places that are connected to these ancient parts.
[10:44] Speaker 2: We see records of this mentioned in the eighteen fifties,
[10:48] Speaker 2: and there are all kinds of clues you get even
[10:51] Speaker 2: in the movie Stargate when you see that gate that
[10:53] Speaker 2: they're talking about has these symbols from Gilgameshi in it.
[10:56] Speaker 2: But what was really interesting on the takeaway from what
[10:58] Speaker 2: these gentlemen told me is they said that these parts
[11:01] Speaker 2: were brought over to cern, Switzerland, where you see where
[11:05] Speaker 2: they were talking about using a certain particle collider. Right, man,
[11:10] Speaker 2: that is crazy.
[11:11] Speaker 1: So let's go back to this stargate for a minute
[11:14] Speaker 1: and based on your understanding of this, what were the
[11:17] Speaker 1: possibilities of this technology? What where are we capable of
[11:23] Speaker 1: going with these stargates?
[11:26] Speaker 2: I believe when you look at the story of Atlantis, Atlantis,
[11:32] Speaker 2: first of all, wasn't in just one little spot. All
[11:35] Speaker 2: kinds of people want to hypothesize that. They want to
[11:37] Speaker 2: say it's in the Atlantic Ridge, the Pillars of Hercules,
[11:40] Speaker 2: or the Rock of Gibraltar. Of course we say that
[11:43] Speaker 2: Gibraltar when we look over at behind the Atlas Mountains,
[11:47] Speaker 2: they would say, okay, there was there is Atlantis. There's
[11:51] Speaker 2: there are some more recent theories you get with Jimmy
[11:54] Speaker 2: Bright's side and others saying hey, is it the eye
[11:57] Speaker 2: of Africa in Mariotana. People want to say, look at
[12:01] Speaker 2: there's these dimensions that have been described. And of course
[12:03] Speaker 2: we find the Atlantis story over at Edfu in Egypt,
[12:08] Speaker 2: which I've done many videos on where we talk about
[12:11] Speaker 2: how Sebti a serpent is coming above there's a great
[12:15] Speaker 2: seafaring people. O Cyrus, of course, being a giant with
[12:18] Speaker 2: an elongated head, he's a great explorer, a progenitor like Dagon.
[12:23] Speaker 2: But the original Atlantis story was an Egyptian one. We
[12:27] Speaker 2: get it from Plato, who is Greek, got it from
[12:29] Speaker 2: his uncle Critias, who got it from his great great
[12:32] Speaker 2: great grandfather Solon, and the original Egyptian store. The original
[12:36] Speaker 2: Lantis story, we are told, was over at the Temple
[12:41] Speaker 2: of Nephru on the Nile Delta, but it washed away.
[12:44] Speaker 2: Now when you look around the temples in Egypt, the
[12:47] Speaker 2: more significant ones, and you look at these stargates. They
[12:50] Speaker 2: talk about these gates that are connected everywhere. They're always
[12:54] Speaker 2: connected to different star systems. They mapped out the stars
[12:58] Speaker 2: the Temple of Dendara. See on the roof, they're going
[13:01] Speaker 2: between the heavens, and like boats, they're traveling to different places.
[13:05] Speaker 2: So not only was Atlantis a great continental diffusion of cultures,
[13:08] Speaker 2: a great dissemination of these things. We see pyramids all
[13:13] Speaker 2: over the world. First of all, we see a culture
[13:15] Speaker 2: that was very, very advanced, whether it's in the Yucaton
[13:19] Speaker 2: or over in Egypt, over in China one hundred and
[13:23] Speaker 2: forty pyramids under the Azor and Canary Islands. We find
[13:26] Speaker 2: them in Tikol and Guatemala. They're everywhere. They're ubiquitous. But
[13:31] Speaker 2: the one thing that I think is evident is that
[13:33] Speaker 2: potentially we're looking at a galactic atlantis and atlantis connecting
[13:38] Speaker 2: all over the place. And the greater implications are there
[13:42] Speaker 2: of that. And I'll tell you, guys a story. So
[13:46] Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of people out there again
[13:48] Speaker 2: that hear stuff like this and they say, oh, this
[13:50] Speaker 2: is just science fiction. But I'm telling you right now,
[13:55] Speaker 2: I have sat at the table cross from very serious
[14:00] Speaker 2: people that aren't into any of this stuff. They don't
[14:02] Speaker 2: believe in aliens, they don't believe in any of this stuff.
[14:05] Speaker 2: And they are very connected people, whether it's in Egypt
[14:09] Speaker 2: or in other countries, and they have told me things
[14:12] Speaker 2: that are very strange. And one of those things is
[14:17] Speaker 2: that if you look over in Egypt, look on a
[14:20] Speaker 2: map between a place called Abu Sir and Abu Gharab,
[14:24] Speaker 2: we have a place called Zayet l Arian. You can
[14:27] Speaker 2: look this up, go look it up on Wikipedia, Google,
[14:29] Speaker 2: whatever you want to do. Zayet l Arin. So when
[14:33] Speaker 2: you look up Zayet l Arian. You're going to find
[14:35] Speaker 2: that this is a very sophisticated, almost unfinished built pyramid
[14:43] Speaker 2: and it's got a gigantic underground complex under it the
[14:47] Speaker 2: size of New York City, and it's one of the
[14:50] Speaker 2: most fascinating sites. But we haven't been able to access
[14:53] Speaker 2: it since the nineteen fifties because it's guarded by British
[14:57] Speaker 2: and American military forces. Highly curate area. In fact, aircraft
[15:02] Speaker 2: can come and go out of this place without being seen.
[15:04] Speaker 2: Many things are brought there. It's Egypt's Area fifty one,
[15:07] Speaker 2: and everyone in the know knows this. And what's really
[15:10] Speaker 2: interesting is the king that was responsible for building this
[15:13] Speaker 2: this pyramid. His title, his cartouche has the name Stargate
[15:18] Speaker 2: in his name. We have two pyramids nearby there called
[15:23] Speaker 2: Ka and Ba, which is interesting because the names for
[15:26] Speaker 2: the levels of the Egyptian soul the Ka, the Ba,
[15:28] Speaker 2: and the Ok. And when you go under there. What
[15:32] Speaker 2: I've been told by people who are in official positions
[15:36] Speaker 2: that the word is behind the scenes that in this
[15:39] Speaker 2: place underground there there's still a live act of quote
[15:42] Speaker 2: unquote Stargate, and they described there being these Aurora borealis
[15:47] Speaker 2: like colors that come out of the ground that they
[15:48] Speaker 2: don't know what the hell it is and it actually
[15:50] Speaker 2: scares them, and so this place is not open to
[15:53] Speaker 2: the public. There's been many stuff like that discovered. This
[15:57] Speaker 2: is why Napoleon went there. This is Stalin spent all
[16:02] Speaker 2: his money coming there. Literally, Stalin and Khrushkov and all
[16:09] Speaker 2: these other Russians and Soviet people they built this Russian
[16:12] Speaker 2: high Damn that was all nonsense. They were looking for
[16:14] Speaker 2: things and they just flooded them out after they took
[16:17] Speaker 2: all the high technology.
[16:19] Speaker 1: Now where do you think this puts us with space travel?
[16:22] Speaker 1: If these ancient technologies have the ability to traverse us
[16:27] Speaker 1: through the galaxy, why do you think that we have
[16:31] Speaker 1: put so much into these dark operations that seemingly are
[16:37] Speaker 1: using rocketry as travel. But we've had enough evidence and
[16:41] Speaker 1: whistleblowers lately to let us know that a lot of
[16:43] Speaker 1: things that were shown from our space agencies and what
[16:47] Speaker 1: we believe to be the traditional model of space is not.
[16:50] Speaker 1: So do you think that we have always been able
[16:53] Speaker 1: to have access to these type of stargate technologies to
[16:58] Speaker 1: gain access to the stars.
[17:00] Speaker 2: Well, there's one story for the public, and there's one
[17:03] Speaker 2: story for everyone. You know, behind the scenes. So I'll
[17:08] Speaker 2: give you some examples of this. Now, what I'm about
[17:10] Speaker 2: to tell people is going to sound far out, but
[17:12] Speaker 2: one day it will be proven otherwise, and I'm just
[17:17] Speaker 2: going to tell it how it is. So, first of all,
[17:22] Speaker 2: we've been colonizing Mars since the nineteen fifties. It's not
[17:25] Speaker 2: as pretty as people think it is. It's not like
[17:28] Speaker 2: in the movies. There's no Channing Tatum and sophisticated areas.
[17:31] Speaker 2: It's uh, there's areas that are as deep as the
[17:34] Speaker 2: Marianna's Trench because of the gravity on Mars that it
[17:38] Speaker 2: doesn't allow for much of an atmosphere. And there I'll
[17:45] Speaker 2: tell you right now that when you see in the
[17:47] Speaker 2: news that there's these baby incubators that can incubate lots
[17:51] Speaker 2: of babies like you're growing them right, that is because
[17:55] Speaker 2: it's much easier to do that, to bring humans to
[17:59] Speaker 2: these sort of places like that that are already acclimated
[18:03] Speaker 2: to a certain type of circadian rhythms and a certain
[18:05] Speaker 2: kind of well, their bio rhythms are change and everything.
[18:09] Speaker 2: Because if you're have you ever been c sick before, Chris, Yeah,
[18:13] Speaker 2: well I imagine that. But way worse is what it
[18:16] Speaker 2: would be like going into space, and even our visitors
[18:18] Speaker 2: that come here, they have to use certain types of
[18:20] Speaker 2: technologies or drugs or ways that they can interact with us,
[18:24] Speaker 2: because it's a very difficult process to come here. If
[18:27] Speaker 2: you leave the Earth and you don't have the human resonance,
[18:30] Speaker 2: first of all, it's gonna be hard on you, but
[18:34] Speaker 2: it's going to change your atomic structure. Every everything is
[18:37] Speaker 2: going to change about you. So there there's a situation
[18:41] Speaker 2: you could be looking at very similar to the movie Avatar,
[18:44] Speaker 2: where you have a transpositioning of consciousness where we can
[18:47] Speaker 2: transfer from one area to the next. And believe me,
[18:51] Speaker 2: when you look at how our EEG rhythms work and
[18:55] Speaker 2: the transferring of those and relocating them, there's a science there. Now. Well,
[19:00] Speaker 2: I want to suggest that one day you're going to
[19:02] Speaker 2: find that many of the moons in our solar system
[19:05] Speaker 2: are occupied. You're going to find that there's settlements in
[19:08] Speaker 2: the asteroid belt. You're going to find that there's a
[19:10] Speaker 2: crashed craft over in Mercury. You're going to find that Europe,
[19:16] Speaker 2: which is Jupiter's moon, has more water on it than
[19:20] Speaker 2: all the oceans and all the water we have on Earth,
[19:23] Speaker 2: and that there is these very large whale like creatures
[19:26] Speaker 2: swimming around on the surface of it. I promise you
[19:28] Speaker 2: one day you will find that out and then you'll say, hey,
[19:30] Speaker 2: that Enoch, guys, and it's so crazy. There are going
[19:34] Speaker 2: to be things that you're going to find in the
[19:35] Speaker 2: near future that are going to be absolutely stunning. We're
[19:38] Speaker 2: ways away. We still got a lot of stuff to
[19:40] Speaker 2: go through. But I'll give you another example. The Elon
[19:44] Speaker 2: Musk as a peripheral understanding, as does Bezos of the
[19:49] Speaker 2: private contractors and things that we've been doing up there,
[19:53] Speaker 2: for example, mining as well as growing food in certain
[19:56] Speaker 2: hydroponic situations. Because of the density of the food, these
[20:00] Speaker 2: materials and things that we get from space are brought
[20:03] Speaker 2: down into certain areas on Earth, and there are for example,
[20:07] Speaker 2: in certain very wealthy families in Lincolnshire, and you might
[20:10] Speaker 2: even say some of the royal houses, they enjoy food
[20:13] Speaker 2: on their plates that is not from here. And where
[20:17] Speaker 2: that comes in. If you want to go look in
[20:19] Speaker 2: the Indian Ocean, go look at the little place called Mauritius.
[20:22] Speaker 2: Right outside of there, there's something called Diego Garcia. It
[20:25] Speaker 2: lands down in there, and over in the Pacific and
[20:27] Speaker 2: the Atlantic, and there's an underwater high speed railway system
[20:32] Speaker 2: that was built up ever since the seventies that goes
[20:35] Speaker 2: right into Australia, for example. There is a large number
[20:40] Speaker 2: of these contractors and groups possessing technology. But one thing
[20:45] Speaker 2: I want to get across to people is that everyone
[20:49] Speaker 2: wants to find out who's running the world. They want
[20:52] Speaker 2: to know who's in control of the world and who's
[20:54] Speaker 2: influencing us. And you might say that there's a whole
[20:57] Speaker 2: bunch of different global economic projects that are taking place
[21:03] Speaker 2: at once, but sometimes these groups get together, sometimes they agree,
[21:09] Speaker 2: but there's a whole bunch of people influencing us from
[21:12] Speaker 2: many different areas. It's like five D chest in these paradoxes.
[21:16] Speaker 2: And so, for example, we've talked about in the past
[21:20] Speaker 2: that the Americans, most certainly Eisenhower and others had these meetings,
[21:27] Speaker 2: face to face meetings with ets, as did Prince Philip
[21:29] Speaker 2: and other people. The Pope has had face to face meetings.
[21:33] Speaker 2: China is working with several groups right now themselves. Russia
[21:37] Speaker 2: has in the past. Of course, the Germans we've heard
[21:39] Speaker 2: traditionally we're working with folks from all de Baron. They
[21:42] Speaker 2: were getting a technological exchange, and all these groups have
[21:45] Speaker 2: technology exchanges and they have different agendas. And I think
[21:48] Speaker 2: I've explained it to you before that what we're looking
[21:51] Speaker 2: at right now. And I'll use the Grays for an example.
[21:55] Speaker 2: The Grays that are a very complex race. There are
[21:58] Speaker 2: a time traveling spece and I've spoken about them extensively
[22:02] Speaker 2: with certain people, and I just got off a long
[22:04] Speaker 2: phone call with a friend of mine, Tim, the Tactical
[22:08] Speaker 2: advisor who's on Guias Cosmic Disclosure. He's a Gray contact
[22:12] Speaker 2: ee and someone very experienced with them, and they basically
[22:17] Speaker 2: they're an evasive species. They go look at developing places
[22:21] Speaker 2: and they work with them and exchange things with them,
[22:26] Speaker 2: and they try to help them along in their evolution
[22:28] Speaker 2: and progress. But a lot of the technologies that we get,
[22:31] Speaker 2: biogenetic technologies in fact, you might even say mRNA and
[22:35] Speaker 2: all these sort of things, we try to understand what
[22:38] Speaker 2: the hell that is, but it comes from them. They
[22:40] Speaker 2: develop it and they trade it. They're like selling it
[22:42] Speaker 2: to other places around the universe. I know that sounds crazy,
[22:45] Speaker 2: but they're also very complicated themselves. They are at war
[22:49] Speaker 2: with themselves. Because we have one group that you might
[22:51] Speaker 2: call extraterrestrial biological entities that still have a physical sort
[22:55] Speaker 2: of form. They're about three or four hundred years ahead
[22:58] Speaker 2: of us. But the Grays themselves have gotten rid of
[23:00] Speaker 2: their physiology and they have a hierarchical structure to them.
[23:03] Speaker 2: They're at war with their old self, and they've even
[23:06] Speaker 2: shattered paradoxical they've even shattered certain timeline. They can go
[23:11] Speaker 2: backwards and forwards in our time. And this concept of
[23:16] Speaker 2: them being able to look at us and inject certain
[23:18] Speaker 2: narratives on Earth is very interesting because when we get
[23:21] Speaker 2: into this, Chris, and this is where maybe I've lost
[23:24] Speaker 2: some people. They might not understand this concept, but this
[23:27] Speaker 2: is very much our reality and what's happening on Earth.
[23:30] Speaker 2: We have so many chefs in the kitchen. The algorithm
[23:35] Speaker 2: for reality is really quite complex. It's constantly changing. It's
[23:38] Speaker 2: like a Japanese sword maker that's putting layers upon layers
[23:40] Speaker 2: upon layers upon layers on it, and it's constantly changing
[23:43] Speaker 2: and being influenced from so many sides. We are being
[23:47] Speaker 2: influenced constantly, and there's so many different agendas at work,
[23:53] Speaker 2: and I think we've got to realize that there's always
[23:58] Speaker 2: a duality in our world always a paradox, and it's
[24:02] Speaker 2: for our growth and evolution, and it really brings up
[24:06] Speaker 2: a good point also to where we're headed in the
[24:08] Speaker 2: future and who we are and our awareness, because I think, well,
[24:11] Speaker 2: we're going to see some major milestones like twenty thirty two,
[24:15] Speaker 2: twenty forty five, twenty forty nine, all the way up
[24:18] Speaker 2: to twenty eighty five. This will continue, but ultimately we
[24:23] Speaker 2: have to look at ourselves because our experience here is
[24:28] Speaker 2: a very interesting one. Time is the fire in which
[24:30] Speaker 2: we all burn, and we know we're we're here to
[24:33] Speaker 2: grow and evolve. Time is also a sentient existence and
[24:38] Speaker 2: it exists because we are self aware. We're creating time
[24:41] Speaker 2: as a whole, as a collective, which is very interesting.
[24:45] Speaker 2: And it continues on against us and with us, and
[24:49] Speaker 2: this is called linear progression. I don't know if you've
[24:53] Speaker 2: ever heard this before, but do you know one of
[24:56] Speaker 2: the worst curses that you could give someone in the
[25:00] Speaker 2: ancient sanscript and in the Chinese, do you know what
[25:03] Speaker 2: it was?
[25:05] Speaker 3: What's that?
[25:07] Speaker 2: May you be reborn and the blessings of the gods
[25:11] Speaker 2: follow you for eternal life, to have all your pleasures
[25:14] Speaker 2: and satisfaction forever this is one of the greatest curses
[25:20] Speaker 2: of the ancient world. So, in other words, if you
[25:23] Speaker 2: didn't have these struggles or the pain or difficulties that
[25:27] Speaker 2: we have here in this temporality and this reality, the
[25:32] Speaker 2: rewards of discovering who we are and evolving wouldn't be
[25:36] Speaker 2: so great. I'll give you an example. If you and
[25:40] Speaker 2: I Chris, right now, we were to escape this place,
[25:42] Speaker 2: I said, we're going to go to another universe. Let's
[25:45] Speaker 2: say that we use quantum machining and we create another universe.
[25:50] Speaker 2: We use about three or four molecules, and we just
[25:54] Speaker 2: we eliminate time. You have every pleasure, every satisfaction. Life
[25:58] Speaker 2: is wonderful. You would just be absolutely wanting to get
[26:04] Speaker 2: out of there very quickly, because ten billion years would
[26:07] Speaker 2: seem like ten seconds. And truth be told. As we're
[26:12] Speaker 2: evolving in this we have to realize certain things about
[26:17] Speaker 2: why we're all here and the way we look at
[26:19] Speaker 2: these changes, as you do on your show and as
[26:21] Speaker 2: your listeners and viewers look at it too. We don't
[26:24] Speaker 2: need to be afraid of what's happening to us. Literally,
[26:29] Speaker 2: when we look at the duality of this world, our
[26:32] Speaker 2: astrophysicists tell us that our universe formed from one hydrogen atom,
[26:38] Speaker 2: and then what do we do. We add a proton
[26:41] Speaker 2: and electron. That's a positive and a negative. If you
[26:44] Speaker 2: think about when we look at electricity, you have a
[26:47] Speaker 2: positive and a negative, you have hot and cold. You
[26:52] Speaker 2: have so many different ways of looking at the right
[26:55] Speaker 2: and the left sides of the brain, the different duality
[26:58] Speaker 2: of the positive, negative, the good, the bad. All of
[27:01] Speaker 2: this is constantly shifting and allowing us to evolve. But
[27:07] Speaker 2: you might say there will come a point in the
[27:10] Speaker 2: near future where we are going to change our perspective
[27:14] Speaker 2: on time. We're going to change our perspective on agent.
[27:18] Speaker 1: Now I want to go back to the extraterrestrial agendas
[27:23] Speaker 1: and what could possibly be behind their interest in humanity.
[27:28] Speaker 1: But first I want to go back to the consciousness
[27:31] Speaker 1: transfer aspect that we were kind of discussing earlier, the
[27:34] Speaker 1: possibility that we could have our consciousness put into either
[27:38] Speaker 1: a clone of ourselves or another biological entity on a
[27:41] Speaker 1: different planet or a different galaxy. Do you think that
[27:45] Speaker 1: this is already something that we have been using some
[27:48] Speaker 1: technology that we're already in possession of this consciousness transfer,
[27:52] Speaker 1: and that's what we use to basically travel right now
[27:55] Speaker 1: the stars.
[27:57] Speaker 2: We most certainly have that ability, and in fact, the
[28:00] Speaker 2: science for it is very easy to understand when you
[28:05] Speaker 2: think about right now. If we do an each an
[28:08] Speaker 2: EEG scan of you, you know your brain waves have
[28:11] Speaker 2: a certain song to them. You have a unique song.
[28:14] Speaker 2: And in the future on quantum communication networks, that is
[28:18] Speaker 2: going to work like your IP address, how we can
[28:20] Speaker 2: triangulate you and you could use it anywhere. We credit
[28:25] Speaker 2: Marconi for inventing the radio, but it was actually Nikolai Tesla.
[28:28] Speaker 2: He already figured out how to make radio go under
[28:31] Speaker 2: the ocean, out in space anywhere. We can do all
[28:34] Speaker 2: kinds of amazing things there. In fact, we have satellites
[28:36] Speaker 2: now in space where we could find you based on
[28:40] Speaker 2: your bio rhythms. We could look inside your house, we
[28:44] Speaker 2: could know where you are. It's very simple. In fact, there,
[28:49] Speaker 2: believe it or not. There I know this again sounds
[28:52] Speaker 2: like science fiction to some people. But the kind of
[28:54] Speaker 2: conversations I get into with certain folks in places, they
[28:58] Speaker 2: say stuff so factually from their positions that the average
[29:04] Speaker 2: person that might overhear it while having a coffee might
[29:06] Speaker 2: think that it's completely strange. But this is going on
[29:09] Speaker 2: imagine that you could have what we call like a
[29:11] Speaker 2: force field. That this is sort of classified technology that's
[29:15] Speaker 2: been developed many years ago, where you could like to
[29:17] Speaker 2: have a force field over a building or a house
[29:21] Speaker 2: or something, and this would deflect weapons from hitting it
[29:25] Speaker 2: or different things from going near it, but a little
[29:28] Speaker 2: bird might be able to fly through it. Now the
[29:30] Speaker 2: bird would be able to fly through it because it
[29:32] Speaker 2: could detect the bio rhythms of the bird. Or imagine
[29:35] Speaker 2: if you were going into a very secured facility and
[29:38] Speaker 2: you needed to enter that area without setting off any alarms. Well,
[29:43] Speaker 2: satellites above that would be scanning for certain bio rhythms,
[29:47] Speaker 2: like a biological key to be able to enter into
[29:51] Speaker 2: those sort of places as well. Bringing it back over
[29:53] Speaker 2: to the transpositioning of consciousness, if you can locate the
[29:57] Speaker 2: EEG rhythms and you could bring that person's connection, so
[30:03] Speaker 2: to speak, let's say your consciousness. We look at superpositioning
[30:08] Speaker 2: our quantum cohesion or for lack of better terms, a
[30:11] Speaker 2: quantum entanglement, which is a very popular way of looking
[30:14] Speaker 2: at it. That you could take this and transfer it elsewhere.
[30:18] Speaker 2: Now I'm going to take it a step further over
[30:21] Speaker 2: thirty years ago, I talked to a fellow that he
[30:26] Speaker 2: was developing a type of military grade hologram and this
[30:31] Speaker 2: was being developed deep underground near a Nevada and they
[30:37] Speaker 2: had a military grade hologram that worked on denser sub
[30:42] Speaker 2: atomic structures. And if this worked on a photonic science, okay,
[30:46] Speaker 2: so photon moves at something like three hundred thousand kilometers
[30:49] Speaker 2: per second. Now, he said, even when he was around
[30:53] Speaker 2: this program, that someone could walk in the room and
[30:57] Speaker 2: they could shake your hand, hand you a document and
[30:59] Speaker 2: then disappear. And if you think about how this could work,
[31:03] Speaker 2: we're moving into that very quickly. People are going to
[31:06] Speaker 2: see that by the end of the decade that when
[31:08] Speaker 2: you watch Netflix and all this sort of stuff, the
[31:10] Speaker 2: days of LEDs are going the days of your smart
[31:13] Speaker 2: Your smartphone's already dead. This by the twenty thirties, you
[31:16] Speaker 2: guys will laugh. This is going to be like an
[31:17] Speaker 2: old dot matrix printer. What you're going to have is
[31:20] Speaker 2: you're going to have interactive holograms with kinetic feedback and
[31:24] Speaker 2: all kinds of things. You're going to have. Like I've
[31:30] Speaker 2: told you before, people are whether they like it or not,
[31:32] Speaker 2: there's going to be available type of technology, a very
[31:35] Speaker 2: small technology that they're going to snort up their nose,
[31:38] Speaker 2: and it is going to be an augmented display, an
[31:40] Speaker 2: optical receiver where you can answer phone calls, be on
[31:43] Speaker 2: a neural network, and interact in ways you never thought possible. Well,
[31:49] Speaker 2: imagine this that you could use a hologram as a
[31:52] Speaker 2: vehicle and enter and let's say it's an artificially programmed
[32:01] Speaker 2: energetic chimeras. And what I mean by that is that
[32:05] Speaker 2: some of these visitations folks get by beings that come
[32:09] Speaker 2: in the room, or they've met someone and then they've vanished.
[32:12] Speaker 2: These are like a transpositioning of consciousness using this technology
[32:17] Speaker 2: I described to you. And there's all sorts of other
[32:20] Speaker 2: things that would blow people's minds if they heard about it,
[32:23] Speaker 2: that are beyond our wildest dreams, are beyond science fiction.
[32:28] Speaker 2: And we have these capabilities already. You might say, we
[32:32] Speaker 2: already live in a very sci fi universe. It's only
[32:35] Speaker 2: a matter of catching up. But you might say that
[32:39] Speaker 2: everything that's happening on our planet right now that is
[32:43] Speaker 2: leading up to the greater understanding of our stories is
[32:48] Speaker 2: being overseen. It's being watched like a great ant farm.
[32:53] Speaker 2: And that's why we haven't gotten the full truth on
[32:58] Speaker 2: ets and everything else right now, because there's a lot
[33:00] Speaker 2: that we have to go through this next fifteen years.
[33:03] Speaker 2: You're going to see an incredible lot of ups and downs.
[33:05] Speaker 2: It's going to be a very it's gonna be a
[33:08] Speaker 2: very incredibly beautiful period for humanity, and there's gonna be
[33:11] Speaker 2: some shocking things that will happen.
[33:13] Speaker 1: Now, I want to go back to what they're doing
[33:16] Speaker 1: at CERN for a minute, based on your understanding with
[33:19] Speaker 1: this stargate technology that they've brought over, what are they
[33:21] Speaker 1: trying to accomplish at CERN?
[33:26] Speaker 2: Essentially we're told the basic story that we're told is
[33:30] Speaker 2: that they're looking for new types of subatomic particles, you know,
[33:33] Speaker 2: like quarks, neutrinos, hadrons, leftowns, glue ons, w bosons, etc.
[33:38] Speaker 2: But in reality, imagine the ability to reset everything, to
[33:45] Speaker 2: reset everything back to square one if needed, or to
[33:50] Speaker 2: open the universe up to a different stage. There are
[33:55] Speaker 2: all different strange kind of events and things that we
[33:58] Speaker 2: look around at shroud Shurt. I don't know if you've
[34:00] Speaker 2: ever looked, but you see there's a statue of Sheba
[34:03] Speaker 2: in front of it. If you look up, did you
[34:05] Speaker 2: ever see the parades and the strange ceremonies and dedications. Yes, yeah,
[34:10] Speaker 2: so there's all kinds of strange things around there. Also,
[34:13] Speaker 2: Maria Wheatley, the Great Dowser and she's also a good
[34:17] Speaker 2: friend of mine from England, has said that there's all
[34:21] Speaker 2: kinds of strange lay lines and energetic formations that come
[34:24] Speaker 2: into where its location is. So it's a it's a
[34:26] Speaker 2: very strange it's a very strange subject in itself as
[34:31] Speaker 2: well as where we're headed in as well as our
[34:34] Speaker 2: our foreseeable future.
[34:36] Speaker 1: Now, these beings, these extraterrestrial these ones that are kind
[34:41] Speaker 1: of guiding us, is just like everything else. I know,
[34:44] Speaker 1: there's duality. Are there are there malevolent beings out there
[34:48] Speaker 1: that may not have our best interests, that are trying
[34:51] Speaker 1: to get in the mix and affect our evolution or
[34:54] Speaker 1: de evolution in some way.
[34:57] Speaker 2: I think that you most certainly are going to see
[35:02] Speaker 2: very interesting ideas being implemented, not only these biogenetic technologies
[35:09] Speaker 2: for the future, but as well as our own mindsets.
[35:13] Speaker 2: When you look at humanity, if you were a group
[35:15] Speaker 2: of extraterrestrials and you are calculating it, and some of
[35:19] Speaker 2: them are calculating this purely from a logical perspective, no
[35:24] Speaker 2: emotional perspective, just looking at it like gardeners of how
[35:29] Speaker 2: do we change the mindset of these people, how do
[35:32] Speaker 2: we get them over their tribalism. I think that they
[35:36] Speaker 2: are trying. In some cases, there's one group that wants
[35:38] Speaker 2: to speed us up and evolve us very quickly, and
[35:40] Speaker 2: one wants to slow us down because they don't think
[35:42] Speaker 2: we're capable of it. Ultimately, I will tell you that
[35:47] Speaker 2: what I think is going to happen is that we
[35:51] Speaker 2: are going to leave this planet. Our destiny is in
[35:55] Speaker 2: the stars. We will our descendants. You know, let's say
[35:59] Speaker 2: closer to twenty eight eight five, a lot of people
[36:01] Speaker 2: will already have been off the planet that will already
[36:03] Speaker 2: start in the twenty forties. And if you look at
[36:07] Speaker 2: let's say the dinosaurs, for example, nothing ever goes extinct
[36:10] Speaker 2: on our planet. The event that we were told wiped
[36:14] Speaker 2: out the dinosaurs. You know, let's say we go back
[36:17] Speaker 2: sixty five million years or whenever we want to look
[36:19] Speaker 2: at this. Do you think that let's say we had
[36:24] Speaker 2: a big event like this that we're told took them
[36:27] Speaker 2: all out in one particular area or darkened it out well,
[36:32] Speaker 2: then why do we see you know, when you look
[36:35] Speaker 2: at the alligator or the crocodile or other descendants of
[36:37] Speaker 2: them that are just as old or more ancient, why
[36:40] Speaker 2: are they still around on the planet today. You know
[36:43] Speaker 2: that those are those are animals that even in the water,
[36:46] Speaker 2: if they if the water changes a certain temperature, that
[36:49] Speaker 2: their sex changes, that they can't they wouldn't be able
[36:51] Speaker 2: to breed. You know, there's there's very interesting particulars there
[36:54] Speaker 2: that I think somebody came on our planet, wiped them
[36:56] Speaker 2: out or took them somewhere else and moved them and
[36:59] Speaker 2: made room for us. So I think it's going to
[37:02] Speaker 2: be our destiny to go elsewhere when our time is right,
[37:06] Speaker 2: and that's our destiny on this planet as a whole.
[37:08] Speaker 2: I do think there's going to be some elements that
[37:10] Speaker 2: are going to change in the near future. And some
[37:13] Speaker 2: of those elements and the groups that are running our
[37:15] Speaker 2: planet right now, they're using AI to dictate that there
[37:18] Speaker 2: is an artificial intelligence. And you do see that when
[37:22] Speaker 2: you look at groups like the WEF we know they're
[37:24] Speaker 2: using an AI, and there's groups connected to them that
[37:29] Speaker 2: does work on the stock market and investments that's using
[37:32] Speaker 2: an AI called Aladdin, and so they're predicting certain scenarios
[37:37] Speaker 2: on Earth. You're seeing certain changes into human sociological structures
[37:41] Speaker 2: in the near future. When they do implement the social
[37:45] Speaker 2: credit scores and centralized digital currencies, you are going to
[37:50] Speaker 2: see these new areas where they would like to put
[37:53] Speaker 2: humans that I don't know if you've heard about this.
[37:56] Speaker 2: Have you heard about the suburban development that they're doing
[38:03] Speaker 2: where they'd have let's say a square kilometer with eleven
[38:06] Speaker 2: to twelve thousand people living in the script and you'd
[38:09] Speaker 2: only be able to move once or twice a day
[38:11] Speaker 2: with a social credit score, and even your toilet would
[38:14] Speaker 2: be monitoring your bowel movements to see what your diet
[38:16] Speaker 2: is because you so you wouldn't be a burden on
[38:18] Speaker 2: the healthcare system. I think more and more as we
[38:20] Speaker 2: move towards that you're going to see a lot of
[38:22] Speaker 2: biological changes, sociological changes, things that are happening in the world.
[38:27] Speaker 2: And I have how much have you heard about that?
[38:30] Speaker 1: I've heard a little bit, And I know this is
[38:33] Speaker 1: the part that really worries a lot of people in
[38:35] Speaker 1: this community, the transhuman agendas. Where are we going? The
[38:39] Speaker 1: World Economic Forum Klaudstrob trying to get everyone to eat
[38:42] Speaker 1: bugs and change us on a biological level. So I mean,
[38:46] Speaker 1: I do see that there are some valid things that people,
[38:49] Speaker 1: you know, should be worried about. But where do you
[38:51] Speaker 1: see this? Where do you where are they trying to
[38:54] Speaker 1: get us to go?
[38:55] Speaker 2: Ultimately, Okay, well, I want to be very careful when
[38:59] Speaker 2: I say here. First, well, because I have to present
[39:02] Speaker 2: this information neutrallly. The reason I have to present this
[39:06] Speaker 2: neutrallly is because people always they go, they go in
[39:10] Speaker 2: the comment section and they're like, blah blah blah. This
[39:12] Speaker 2: guy is promoting these things. He loves it. I'm not.
[39:16] Speaker 2: I'm like the rest of you guys. But look, you
[39:19] Speaker 2: see what happens to people that come out and they
[39:22] Speaker 2: they have more of an aggressive position on this. They
[39:27] Speaker 2: let's look at your Andrew Tates, Let's look at Julian Assange,
[39:32] Speaker 2: Let's look at even el lah Musk, certain presidential candidates,
[39:36] Speaker 2: people who come out on a larger scale platform that
[39:41] Speaker 2: have a definitive position, they are censored very quickly. So
[39:45] Speaker 2: the best way to present this information is neutrally and
[39:48] Speaker 2: to tell you to do your own research and you
[39:50] Speaker 2: can make up your own mind. So that's that's why
[39:54] Speaker 2: when looking at this thing, we have to look at
[39:56] Speaker 2: it very neutrally. So first of all, I think what
[40:00] Speaker 2: you're going to see in the near future is there
[40:03] Speaker 2: is going to be a lot of masterility and infertility.
[40:08] Speaker 2: We have been under a great scientific and biological experiment.
[40:12] Speaker 2: I think that eventually it'll be like a QR code
[40:14] Speaker 2: or a social credit score for people that want to
[40:16] Speaker 2: have children when our population naturally goes down in the future,
[40:21] Speaker 2: because that's been a part of the agenda the folks
[40:23] Speaker 2: at Davos and everything else for some time, you're going
[40:27] Speaker 2: to notice more of these biogenetic technologies being implemented. It
[40:31] Speaker 2: won't be through one of the things in the arm.
[40:35] Speaker 2: It will be from these smart pills and they'll work
[40:40] Speaker 2: with like a transdermal tattoo using an ink called mylium
[40:46] Speaker 2: that was developed in Korea, And believe it or not,
[40:48] Speaker 2: this already exists and it will be part of an
[40:50] Speaker 2: immunity passport program to go around the world. And this
[40:53] Speaker 2: will be a way of editing biogenetic tech. It's a
[40:57] Speaker 2: biogenetic technology that could literally edit DNA like Crisper or
[41:01] Speaker 2: remove things. And this isn't going to be everyone's not
[41:05] Speaker 2: going to be forced to take this. By the way,
[41:07] Speaker 2: if you want to live in one of these little
[41:08] Speaker 2: smart cities we talked about and have basic supplies and resources,
[41:12] Speaker 2: that will be one of the advantages of being the
[41:15] Speaker 2: people that are involved in these programs and having travel
[41:17] Speaker 2: privileges and things like that. When that changes over for
[41:21] Speaker 2: us in the future. At first, when we get to
[41:26] Speaker 2: a point where we're made available some of these other
[41:31] Speaker 2: technologies that are going to become available for life extension.
[41:34] Speaker 2: At first, you will see I believe this is probably
[41:39] Speaker 2: going to start showing up around the twenty forties. By
[41:42] Speaker 2: the end of the twenty thirties, you're going to see
[41:44] Speaker 2: this technology that I've described to you before called foglets.
[41:49] Speaker 2: It's going to work in a very similar way that
[41:51] Speaker 2: the mRNA worked. And part of the reason the mRNA
[41:55] Speaker 2: had a lot of problems with people and it didn't
[41:57] Speaker 2: cause problems for everybody. It was an experiment, but because
[42:00] Speaker 2: of the adjuant that was in it to keep it
[42:02] Speaker 2: at very cold temperatures. Now they've found ways around that.
[42:07] Speaker 2: But the how it will work is there's going to
[42:11] Speaker 2: be these things that Ray Kurtzwell at Google describes as
[42:13] Speaker 2: foglets and foglets, which we're seeing more in this nanoparticle technology,
[42:19] Speaker 2: which are these little silicon hexagonal structures that are one
[42:22] Speaker 2: atom thick that work along the geosynchronistic orbits of the
[42:26] Speaker 2: body and they unlock the mitochondria, they keep the telomeres
[42:30] Speaker 2: from degrading. You'll find that we'll be able to put
[42:34] Speaker 2: people in an equilibrium stasis, will break the threshold and eventually,
[42:40] Speaker 2: you know, someone that's one hundred and fifty years old,
[42:42] Speaker 2: they could go on living as long as they want. Biologically,
[42:44] Speaker 2: there'll be no difference between one hundred and fifty and
[42:47] Speaker 2: fifteen hundred years because your cells will return to the
[42:51] Speaker 2: most perfect state they were, whether that was when you're
[42:53] Speaker 2: in your twenties, you're thirty, You will come back to
[42:55] Speaker 2: that state, and we'll have that. We're already working with nanoparticles.
[42:59] Speaker 2: There's classified technogies where they have used them on the
[43:02] Speaker 2: lungs of military people to be able to go under
[43:06] Speaker 2: water for an hour without breathing. They've been able to
[43:08] Speaker 2: repopulate the optic nerve. If you guys bring this up,
[43:11] Speaker 2: look it up yourself. You have we've injected the eyeballs
[43:17] Speaker 2: of mice with nanoparticles and they can now see in
[43:21] Speaker 2: the infrared. We're moving into the ultraviolet technology that we
[43:25] Speaker 2: have on a medical level for example, and the ais
[43:29] Speaker 2: that you're going to see. All the stuff you see today, lawyers, doctors,
[43:32] Speaker 2: all that data DA, that's all going to be replaced
[43:35] Speaker 2: by technology. From what we're seeing. And today we can
[43:38] Speaker 2: say we don't like that and it's horrible, but watch
[43:41] Speaker 2: how fast people move into it when it becomes available. Secondly,
[43:45] Speaker 2: I want to say, Chris, the other types of technology
[43:47] Speaker 2: that are going to wonder amaze people is that when
[43:51] Speaker 2: you look at this smartphone for example, which again we're
[43:56] Speaker 2: slowly running out of the materials to make these. When
[43:59] Speaker 2: you look at even the materials to make electric cars,
[44:01] Speaker 2: soon we won't have enough materials for that when you
[44:04] Speaker 2: look at all where that has to come from. But
[44:08] Speaker 2: this smartphone that we see, it runs out of batteries
[44:13] Speaker 2: pretty quickly, like in a few hours. You have to
[44:15] Speaker 2: plug it in, you're looking for a charger there right
[44:18] Speaker 2: now exists the technology that I can make one small
[44:21] Speaker 2: modification or I wouldn't have to charge it for ten
[44:24] Speaker 2: thousand years. And this isn't science fiction. It's called nanocarbon
[44:29] Speaker 2: diamond batteries. Everybody can go look that up right now
[44:32] Speaker 2: and see for yourself. You can modify it. The wet
[44:35] Speaker 2: cell battery is the one thing we've been held back
[44:37] Speaker 2: on for a while. But these batteries and technologies have
[44:40] Speaker 2: existed forever.
[44:43] Speaker 1: One of the things that I believe has prevented those
[44:47] Speaker 1: in control of these technologies from leaking it to the
[44:50] Speaker 1: public or letting us have access is the control aspect.
[44:54] Speaker 1: They wouldn't have as much control. We wouldn't be as
[44:57] Speaker 1: reliant on them for our energy, for our health, health care,
[45:00] Speaker 1: for all these things. We could take care of ourselves
[45:02] Speaker 1: without being reliant on the government. So it seems like
[45:06] Speaker 1: that's a big reason why they keep control of all
[45:09] Speaker 1: these things, right or do they think that we wouldn't
[45:12] Speaker 1: be able to handle this technology?
[45:15] Speaker 2: That's exactly right. There's a big control factor. And also,
[45:20] Speaker 2: we are moving into a very advanced future, whether folks
[45:25] Speaker 2: like it or not, and there's going to be It's
[45:29] Speaker 2: like Tupac said, he said, there's gonna be some things
[45:32] Speaker 2: you might not like to see in the world, but
[45:35] Speaker 2: he said, always remember to smile, and we have to
[45:38] Speaker 2: we have to remember that we chose to be here.
[45:41] Speaker 2: At this time, there's a lot of beautiful and amazing
[45:44] Speaker 2: things we can do. We've got to stop making excuses.
[45:46] Speaker 2: We've got to become the best version of ourselves we
[45:48] Speaker 2: know how to do in the world. We have to
[45:50] Speaker 2: take care of our families, take care of ourselves, and
[45:54] Speaker 2: that's the best way we can move through these periods.
[45:58] Speaker 2: And ultimately we have to remember that we are in
[46:00] Speaker 2: infinite consciousness and nothing can really take that from us.
[46:04] Speaker 2: You enjoy every minute of our progress here. But in
[46:08] Speaker 2: this beautiful, amazing, strange world that we live in that's
[46:12] Speaker 2: filled with mysteries, is it's going to be an incredible
[46:16] Speaker 2: time and there's nothing really to fear. It is very
[46:20] Speaker 2: alarming some of the strange things that we find with
[46:23] Speaker 2: geopolitics though in the world, and where I live most
[46:26] Speaker 2: of the time in Budapest, Hungary, most certainly we've felt
[46:30] Speaker 2: the changes on our doorstep. I'm talking to you today
[46:35] Speaker 2: for my office in Vancouver, but over there, you know,
[46:38] Speaker 2: we've had a lot of Ukrainians come over the effects
[46:40] Speaker 2: of this war that's been going on, and I think
[46:42] Speaker 2: that that is only the beginning. We will see changes
[46:45] Speaker 2: coming from that, and we will see a lot of
[46:50] Speaker 2: changes in the future coming from China. I don't know
[46:52] Speaker 2: if you know this, but there is a plan in
[46:54] Speaker 2: work that sort of China would be the ruler of
[46:57] Speaker 2: the world by twenty forty nine, and I know Gigiping
[47:01] Speaker 2: has a lot of a lot of plans for that.
[47:03] Speaker 2: And I think that Russia that's the one group that
[47:09] Speaker 2: they're worried about. And so we will see changes everywhere,
[47:14] Speaker 2: so we should embrace for them. But if we're not
[47:17] Speaker 2: fearful and we do it in a place I love,
[47:19] Speaker 2: it will make it a lot easier.
[47:20] Speaker 1: What would you say to those that believe that most
[47:24] Speaker 1: of these agendas we're seeing, especially with the transhumanism and
[47:27] Speaker 1: the integration of our technology with our biology and things
[47:31] Speaker 1: that are pushing us in that direction, that this is
[47:33] Speaker 1: strictly a Luciferian or Satanic agenda.
[47:38] Speaker 2: Well, I have a different position on all that. I
[47:41] Speaker 2: do think that those groups do exist in the world
[47:45] Speaker 2: most certainly, and there is like this is the thing.
[47:50] Speaker 2: I am a researcher of not only our prehistoric histories.
[47:56] Speaker 2: I also look at the esoteric very deeply. That's one
[48:00] Speaker 2: of the things I do, and I look at mysteries
[48:01] Speaker 2: around the world. I'm always trying to connect the dots
[48:03] Speaker 2: with that as well as I'm a futurist, so I'm
[48:06] Speaker 2: always fascinated by what technology is coming, what people are saying.
[48:10] Speaker 2: I look at patterns and I put them together. I
[48:13] Speaker 2: try to stay as neutral as possible and try to
[48:16] Speaker 2: analyze it and to talk to my network of people
[48:19] Speaker 2: to see what's going on. But when it comes to
[48:21] Speaker 2: the word satanism, for example, that's a very complicated term
[48:26] Speaker 2: and it triggers a lot of people. Satan means accuser
[48:31] Speaker 2: or opposer, Okay, so it is really literally like the
[48:37] Speaker 2: law of cause and effect coming at people. And when
[48:43] Speaker 2: you see certain folks out there that identify this way,
[48:46] Speaker 2: some folks identify in it as a philosophy where they
[48:50] Speaker 2: when you take let's say the pentagram. You know what
[48:52] Speaker 2: the pentagram is, right, the five pointed start. Now, when
[48:56] Speaker 2: you take the pentagram, the pentagram has spirit facing up.
[49:00] Speaker 2: It is the sigil of man when you look over
[49:02] Speaker 2: at Pythagoras and his teachings, and then you have all
[49:05] Speaker 2: the elements of earth or you have air, earth, fire, water.
[49:11] Speaker 2: So the traditional view is they reverse that pentagram and
[49:16] Speaker 2: they put materialism first, They put themselves first. It's sort
[49:19] Speaker 2: of like an edgy atheism. There's a whole group out
[49:21] Speaker 2: there that claim that they don't believe in the Christian devil.
[49:24] Speaker 2: They're just using it as a philosophy. Hence, when you
[49:26] Speaker 2: look at the tarot card, if you look at the
[49:28] Speaker 2: tarot card and the major Arcana, which is a devil card,
[49:30] Speaker 2: you'll see the pentagram facing down sometimes with the baffle
[49:33] Speaker 2: may on top of it, superimposed with a goat's head,
[49:37] Speaker 2: and you'll see that there's a man and a woman
[49:39] Speaker 2: chained to all their material and earthly pleasures and lust
[49:42] Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. So that again is
[49:44] Speaker 2: the form of putting yourself first before everyone else. So
[49:48] Speaker 2: that's a first form of Satanism. Then you have more.
[49:53] Speaker 2: And by the way, I want to say that today's
[49:55] Speaker 2: Satanism where they use the baffle met you see the
[49:57] Speaker 2: guy with the goat's head's kind of like an ancient
[50:00] Speaker 2: version Japan. That was a misappropriated symbol that came from
[50:05] Speaker 2: Elephus Levi and he was drawing a version of this
[50:10] Speaker 2: and he and it's a long story who Elephis Levi is.
[50:13] Speaker 2: He was doing this for Napoleon. Napoleon went and rated
[50:17] Speaker 2: the Vatican and was looking for stuff about the templars.
[50:20] Speaker 2: So elephis Levi was drawing all this stuff, and it's
[50:24] Speaker 2: actually our reinterpretation of all Moon Raw, All Moon Raw.
[50:29] Speaker 2: When you look at the ram from ancient Egypt, it's
[50:32] Speaker 2: the Age of Ares and all that sort of stuff.
[50:34] Speaker 2: So this was like a bad game of telephone. And
[50:37] Speaker 2: there's a there's an ancient idea of a being in
[50:40] Speaker 2: the world called set like you'd look at Set Seton
[50:44] Speaker 2: like Satan. And so there's groups on this world, in
[50:48] Speaker 2: this world that have created a religion out of these
[50:51] Speaker 2: sort of things, and they've sort of taken the symbols
[50:55] Speaker 2: of let's say, of Christianity and they are Judaism. They
[50:59] Speaker 2: reversed them. They have their own philosophies. They've used more
[51:02] Speaker 2: of like a Crowley mentality, and they've created this other
[51:05] Speaker 2: version of this. I won't name some of these groups,
[51:07] Speaker 2: but there are some groups that have some interesting practices
[51:11] Speaker 2: where it's more of hedonism, you know, drug taking, ritualistic
[51:15] Speaker 2: blood letting, all that sort of stuff that you might think.
[51:18] Speaker 2: Now this has been used in some cases as a
[51:21] Speaker 2: control mechanism, a religion that lured people in, let's say,
[51:24] Speaker 2: in positions of power people that are like in the
[51:27] Speaker 2: eyes wide shot kind of thing, and it lured them in,
[51:30] Speaker 2: and then it was used to kind of keep people
[51:32] Speaker 2: in line with certain ideas and philosophies. Now, these sort
[51:36] Speaker 2: of things have been used in operations for a very
[51:39] Speaker 2: long time, and the reason people are compromised by these
[51:43] Speaker 2: sort of things is for control. Look at the movie
[51:47] Speaker 2: Tinker Taylor Soldier Spies, sending in someone to have sex
[51:53] Speaker 2: with someone in power, then using that against them. So
[51:56] Speaker 2: this sort of religion most certainly has been used in
[52:00] Speaker 2: those areas. I do think evil does exist in the
[52:05] Speaker 2: world as a form of ignorance, but it doesn't quite
[52:08] Speaker 2: work the way people think it works, and there is
[52:13] Speaker 2: a whole difference. There is a whole different area of
[52:18] Speaker 2: control on a global power structure. If that makes sense.
[52:21] Speaker 1: It does. Yeah, all right, Well, for the last few
[52:24] Speaker 1: minutes we have, let's get deep into extraterrestrials. I know
[52:29] Speaker 1: we got a little bit into the hybridization aspects before,
[52:33] Speaker 1: but I want to know how deep and how far
[52:36] Speaker 1: are we into some of these programs and what percentage
[52:41] Speaker 1: of individuals could possibly be hybrids that are walking among us.
[52:47] Speaker 2: Well, first of all, every one of you watching this
[52:49] Speaker 2: is a hybrid. They're every one of you watching. This
[52:52] Speaker 2: is not from here originally. We've all, we all contain
[52:57] Speaker 2: all sorts of different DNA. We're all a great biological experiment.
[53:02] Speaker 2: We are an ant farm. That's what people don't realize,
[53:05] Speaker 2: how much of an ant farm that we are. And
[53:08] Speaker 2: we all are our beautiful creations of the source. We
[53:12] Speaker 2: have a beautiful destiny. And there are beings among you
[53:18] Speaker 2: that do have more, I want to say, more of
[53:21] Speaker 2: an extraterrestrial genetic makeup. They might have people walking among
[53:28] Speaker 2: you all the time, might have a heightened sense of
[53:31] Speaker 2: smell taste, or be able to see in a room
[53:34] Speaker 2: that's dark, be able to see color, be able to
[53:37] Speaker 2: see things. I'll give you a very good example. I
[53:39] Speaker 2: have talked to people, including a very close friend of
[53:43] Speaker 2: mine who you've met. You've met him at a conference
[53:46] Speaker 2: where we were that he happened to meet a girl
[53:48] Speaker 2: that was there, and when he was there, they were
[53:52] Speaker 2: getting very close to each other, and she revealed who
[53:57] Speaker 2: she really was. And he didn't really necessarily leave an
[54:00] Speaker 2: extraterrestrials or anything before that, and he came out absolutely pale.
[54:05] Speaker 2: He couldn't eat the rest of the day. He was
[54:07] Speaker 2: absolutely in shock. And I'll tell you, when you see
[54:09] Speaker 2: one a being that does not look like you, when
[54:12] Speaker 2: you see an extraterrestrial up close, and I'm being very
[54:14] Speaker 2: serious right now, when you see an extraterrestrial being up close,
[54:19] Speaker 2: it is absolutely shocking to your psyche and some people
[54:23] Speaker 2: never recover from it. Even seeing a craft or a UFO,
[54:26] Speaker 2: it will change your perspective, how you think, how you talk, everything.
[54:31] Speaker 2: So yeah, she was able to completely. She held onto
[54:35] Speaker 2: his hands in a hotel room and her face completely
[54:40] Speaker 2: transformed into the head of a gray with large black eyes.
[54:46] Speaker 2: Her nose came down very small and thin, and she
[54:49] Speaker 2: was in his mind and could he could. She was
[54:52] Speaker 2: showing him things and could speak to him about his
[54:55] Speaker 2: innermost thoughts. And she told him, you know, not to
[54:58] Speaker 2: be afraid. He was paralyzed. He couldn't even move. And
[55:01] Speaker 2: I will say there's people that you might not know
[55:04] Speaker 2: that you're walking by. And if you want to see
[55:06] Speaker 2: an extraterrestrial, I always tell people just go to Venice Beach,
[55:09] Speaker 2: walk around, walk around Las Vegas. They're blending in with you.
[55:12] Speaker 2: They're visiting. There are settlements on Earth. We have all
[55:16] Speaker 2: sorts of stuff, there's extraterrestrials working at Oxford University that
[55:21] Speaker 2: are helping us with very scientific discoveries. They're here and
[55:25] Speaker 2: they're helping us.
[55:27] Speaker 1: So would you say that when we're experiencing something like
[55:30] Speaker 1: an abduction or a contact experience, are most of these
[55:34] Speaker 1: in astral form or most of these with our consciousness
[55:39] Speaker 1: traveling to different locations, or are these also happening on
[55:43] Speaker 1: a physical level.
[55:46] Speaker 2: It's both. Some of it's on a three D level,
[55:49] Speaker 2: some of it is happening in different ways. Because there's
[55:54] Speaker 2: more to us than we even know. There's a lot
[55:56] Speaker 2: about us that we don't realize. Again, we were going
[55:59] Speaker 2: back into how our consciousness really works and who we
[56:04] Speaker 2: all are. Imagine the ability to take your consciousness through
[56:08] Speaker 2: a transpositioning. That is a word you're not going to
[56:11] Speaker 2: hear for a few years. But when you hear that word,
[56:13] Speaker 2: you'll know in the future transpositioning of consciousness. You're going
[56:18] Speaker 2: to be able to take consciousness and move it into
[56:21] Speaker 2: different vehicles. And imagine you could do that and put
[56:26] Speaker 2: the body into a stasis, take it somewhere else. And
[56:30] Speaker 2: also there is a totally different understanding of who we are.
[56:34] Speaker 2: Imagine what I told you earlier about the Grays again,
[56:37] Speaker 2: the Grays, the other grays that are millions of years
[56:41] Speaker 2: ahead of the even grays that are only about three
[56:45] Speaker 2: or four hundred years ahead of us, who are at
[56:47] Speaker 2: war with each other. By the way, imagine the fact
[56:51] Speaker 2: that they have done away with their physical bodies, which
[56:54] Speaker 2: Tim the Tactical Advisor tells me is actually in some
[56:57] Speaker 2: ways hurt their development because as far as they can
[57:00] Speaker 2: go on a dimensional scale and in their evolution, there
[57:04] Speaker 2: are certain aspects of this reality that are important for that.
[57:10] Speaker 2: So imagine the ability that they could take you and
[57:12] Speaker 2: do different things with you. At the same time. There
[57:15] Speaker 2: is a way to detect when people have been in
[57:18] Speaker 2: contact with extraterrestrials, and there are technologies and means to
[57:23] Speaker 2: identify that, and then people trained to understand that in
[57:26] Speaker 2: these programs. And one of the ways, as I mentioned
[57:29] Speaker 2: to you, is that when you have left, when you've
[57:32] Speaker 2: gone elsewhere interfaced with them, your atomic structure changes, your
[57:37] Speaker 2: circadium rhythms change, There's a lot about you that changes.
[57:40] Speaker 2: So these are things to keep in mind.
[57:42] Speaker 1: Awesome, man, Now I'd want to get your thoughts on.
[57:46] Speaker 1: One more thing is the high strange activities and some
[57:50] Speaker 1: of the discoveries and information that we're finding out about
[57:53] Speaker 1: places like Skinwalker Ranch. I know you've heard of the Meadow,
[57:57] Speaker 1: other undisclosed locations, other locations, blind Frog, locations that aerospace
[58:03] Speaker 1: companies have high interest in. I have a couple of
[58:05] Speaker 1: friends that have property out there that aerospace companies are
[58:09] Speaker 1: actually having them sign NDAs and doing experiments out there.
[58:13] Speaker 1: So there's there's incredible information and discovery coming out of
[58:16] Speaker 1: those areas. What's your understanding of what could be the
[58:20] Speaker 1: underlying cause of the high strangeness in those areas.
[58:24] Speaker 2: In my conversations with folks that have been involved with
[58:27] Speaker 2: the unacknowledged or special access programs, and I'm talking about
[58:30] Speaker 2: guys that are older, they're behind the scenes, they do
[58:35] Speaker 2: not talk on camera, they do not come out. It's
[58:38] Speaker 2: just that when you know, when you do the work
[58:40] Speaker 2: that you and I do, you get people that come
[58:42] Speaker 2: to you, they want to talk to you, they want
[58:43] Speaker 2: to conversations, and they reveal things. It's my understanding that
[58:47] Speaker 2: our militaries in these programs they have a and I'm
[58:51] Speaker 2: talking about a highly classified area black project. They have
[58:56] Speaker 2: ideas about certain parts of the Earth that have geomagnetic anomalies,
[59:00] Speaker 2: and there are areas with incredible disruptions and if you
[59:05] Speaker 2: want to talk that talk about space time and how
[59:09] Speaker 2: there's things coming in and out of those places. It's
[59:14] Speaker 2: very strange because we see a lot of UFO activity
[59:16] Speaker 2: in those areas. One thing is that in Utah, I
[59:20] Speaker 2: know we have several places like this. Not only is
[59:23] Speaker 2: there Skinwalker Ranch, there's blind Frog Ranch. There are many
[59:28] Speaker 2: places like this even in England, and there are places
[59:33] Speaker 2: like this in national parks. Now this you might say,
[59:38] Speaker 2: are where some of these stargates and great places and
[59:41] Speaker 2: monuments have been built in the ancient world. It's not
[59:43] Speaker 2: a coincidence where these places are located. Even if you
[59:48] Speaker 2: look at let's say Glastonbury, tor or as I've told people,
[59:51] Speaker 2: even where Disneyland is built. Disneyland was built in a
[59:55] Speaker 2: very specific way. This might sound crazy for people, but
[59:58] Speaker 2: it's on the thirty third parallel. It was built by
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: the Stanford Research Institute for Walt Disney. The group from
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: SRI that built it. There was two guys named Buzz
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: and Woody Cornelius Vanderbolt wood and all that. When they
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: built it. They put the castle in the middle of
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: where the energy influx is and they put the carousel
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: behind the castle in fantasy Land to act like a
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: tesla coil to spin the energy out into the rest
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: of the park. There are all kinds of interesting things
[1:00:25] Speaker 2: there by the way, but that's sort of how that's
[1:00:27] Speaker 2: tapping into these fields of energy, or even where the
[1:00:32] Speaker 2: Great Pyramid is what they can do to open up
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: these places. But again this sort of classified knowledge has
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: been used for some time and people might even be
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: very interested to know that Area fifty one, which again
[1:00:47] Speaker 2: when you look back at the history with Jack Parsons
[1:00:50] Speaker 2: and l Ron Hubbard or who were followers of Crowley,
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: they were doing sex magic out there. Why area fifty
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: one was chosen in the area where it is you
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: see this thirty third parallel connection all over the place.
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: So again, one other interesting thing about that is where
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: you have a lot of hot spots where there's been
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: UFOs if you look at the data. And I've spoken
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: extensively about this with researchers in the UK such as
[1:01:17] Speaker 2: Steve Merhra Barry Fitzgerald from Zohar Entertainment. They've done a
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: lot of shows out in the UK looking at these places,
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: or I've talked to Harry Challenger from the Flying Saucer Review,
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: who took over from Gordon Crichton in the nineteen fifties.
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: Their research indicates that the places where there's been high
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: abnormalities and UFO activity, that there's a lot of suicides there.
[1:01:39] Speaker 2: You'll get suicide benches and things that are very disruptive,
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: and there's something about the energy in these places. It's
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: very off putting. I have visited some of these places
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: in the UK and I had a very startling sighting
[1:01:52] Speaker 2: of my own when I was with those parties, and
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: it was absolutely shocking. And the experiencers in those areas
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: what they describe, it's amazing.
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: And there's some that believe that what we're dealing with
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: is some unknown or fifth state of matter that not
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: only can I interact with us and we can interact
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: with it, but it could be responsible for a lot
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: of what we understand is even paranormal activity and interacting
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: with intelligences that are beyond the spectrum of our vision.
[1:02:22] Speaker 2: Oh, Chris, people don't even know where to begin with that.
[1:02:25] Speaker 2: If you walk down the street and you see seven people,
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: you can multiply that by a thousand. There are so
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: many different intelligences around us at all time when we
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: we're moving into the infrared, when you move into the
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: ultraviolet out of the very narrow spectrum that humans see,
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: and there are so many things. There was a guy
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: named Jose Escimilio that came out many years ago that
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: was photographing these things called rods that are here. There's
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: almost like these energetic cetacean creatures that are coming here
[1:02:59] Speaker 2: that you might say, say from other solar systems. Like
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: right now everyone watching this has about sticks stix to
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: eight thousand other Well, I want to say, actually, I
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: was gonna say six or seven thousand energetic forms that
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: are attached to them, But you have about I want
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: to say, seven or eight kilos of nanobacteria on you
[1:03:25] Speaker 2: that are living on you at any time that are
[1:03:27] Speaker 2: actually oscillating with you in your body, including your habits,
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: whether you're what you're eating, drinking, thinking, where you move in.
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: You literally have these things on you at all time.
[1:03:38] Speaker 2: And I think that probably the ones on this planet
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: that have been aware of this the most are like
[1:03:44] Speaker 2: gurus and meditators. We have often been warned in our
[1:03:50] Speaker 2: ancient esoteric manuals and others about these other forms that
[1:03:54] Speaker 2: can influence us and are around us, and I think
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: one day we're going to have a clearer understanding of
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: it all.
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: Yes, man, I love this. This is fantastic information. Johnny,
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: before you go, I know you got some conferences coming
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: up and some interesting stuff that you're going to be
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: involved with. Tell us about it.
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you, Thank you so much for asking. Chris.
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: In February, I'm going to be giving a talk at
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: the Conscious Life Expo in Los Angeles that is going
[1:04:23] Speaker 2: to include all new information I have on these Babylonian stargates.
[1:04:27] Speaker 2: We're going to go really deep into that, as well
[1:04:30] Speaker 2: as the science and discoveries around the world and things
[1:04:34] Speaker 2: you've never heard before. I'll have a workshop there that
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: we're going to be doing that's very exciting. I'll be
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: on some panels. I want to meet and greet all
[1:04:40] Speaker 2: of you. Come out and talk to us, and I
[1:04:43] Speaker 2: promise you it's not all gloom and dooma out there.
[1:04:45] Speaker 2: There's actually a really bright, beautiful future we have to
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: look forward to and humans will when we will succeed
[1:04:51] Speaker 2: in the end. We have a very very bright future
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: despite what the world has been like the last few years,
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: and we also have another conference coming up. We have
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: Contact in the Desert. I'll be speaking there. That's coming
[1:05:04] Speaker 2: back and believe it or not, well, you're well familiar
[1:05:07] Speaker 2: with Bob Brown and Gordon Well, they've come on board
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: with that as well as well as Captain Ron and
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: Jordan Peace. We have also the Awakenings Conference in the
[1:05:21] Speaker 2: UK for those that want to come out into Europe
[1:05:24] Speaker 2: and that will be in August. So if you want
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: to catch Contact in the Desert in June, you can
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: just jump on a plane after and that's going to
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: be really great. It's also the Forbidden Knowledge Tour. We'll
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: have Billy Carson, We'll have some really great people there,
[1:05:39] Speaker 2: and there's just so many amazing things happening this year
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: and events, and I also want to mention all of
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: you if you want to join myself, the Grand Master
[1:05:49] Speaker 2: of the Knights Templar and some amazing people over to Egypt.
[1:05:53] Speaker 2: We have just an awesome tour coming up in March.
[1:05:56] Speaker 4: Man.
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: It is going to be really going deep into the mysteries.
[1:05:59] Speaker 2: We are going to be revealing a lot. It's called
[1:06:02] Speaker 2: the Initiation into the Mysteries of Egypt Tour, and of
[1:06:05] Speaker 2: course you can find out about that at my website
[1:06:07] Speaker 2: Johnny Enoch dot com, or you can go to sabatours
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: dot com and register. We still have spaces available. Awesome man.
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: I'll leave all those links in the description so everyone
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: can easily go check that out. Johnny, this was fantastic
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: and we will do it again soon and until next time.
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: Everyone have an amazing day and we will today. I
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: want to welcome back to the show Toab Johnson and
[1:06:29] Speaker 1: doctor Simeon Heine. Tob is an author and researcher of
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: all things related to Bigfoot. With over a decade of
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: research and his own experiences, he has dedicated his work
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: to investigating the relationship of Sasquatch and the paranormal. He
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: is the co producer of the documentary Flash of Beauty
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: Bigfoot Revealed, a groundbreaking two part documentary series that focuses
[1:06:54] Speaker 1: on Sasquatch witness testimony. Doctor Simeon Heine is a former
[1:06:59] Speaker 1: university professor in statistics and research methods. He believes there
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: is a large area of scientific knowledge that is being
[1:07:07] Speaker 1: withheld from the public discussion. Subsequently, he established the nonprofit
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: Institute for Resonance and began teaching remote viewing classes in Boulder, Colorado,
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: and continues to teach online. He also became interested in
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: the topics of crop circles, unexplained aerial phenomena, and extraterrestrials,
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: as well as Bigfoot, Tobe, Doctor Simmy, and welcome. How
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: are you both doing?
[1:07:35] Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going today?
[1:07:37] Speaker 4: Hey? Good morning, Good morning.
[1:07:39] Speaker 3: Thank you both for joining us.
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: This is great. I've been looking forward to this. We're
[1:07:43] Speaker 1: going to be discussing the second part of your docuseries,
[1:07:46] Speaker 1: A Flash of Beauty Tobe Bigfoot revealed. I absolutely loved
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: this film. It resonates deeply with my belief surrounding this
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: phenomena as well as some of my own experiences, and
[1:07:59] Speaker 1: I believe that what we're calling Bigfoot or Sasquatch is
[1:08:03] Speaker 1: much more than just a lost primitive homitted. It seems
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: to be a very spiritual and advanced being which can
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: disappear or cloak at will, have telepathic communication, project feelings
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: and emotions, and may even have the ability to manipulate matter.
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: And much more so, to me, this seems to be,
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: as far as we can understand now, some sort of
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: metaphysical entity not at all understood by science, especially at
[1:08:33] Speaker 1: this time. So We've got so much to discuss surrounding this.
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: Before we get into this, reintroduce yourselves to the audience
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: that may not be familiar. Tobe tell us what brought
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: you to make the film, and doctor Simon also tell
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: us how you got involved.
[1:08:48] Speaker 4: Well, so, you know, for me, I was invited as
[1:08:52] Speaker 4: a co producer to be on the film. Originally this
[1:08:55] Speaker 4: all started with, you know, in two thousand and five
[1:08:59] Speaker 4: time frame, and I found just a single footprint near
[1:09:02] Speaker 4: the town of Springfield, Oregon with my son, and I
[1:09:05] Speaker 4: got a larger question started as to whether or not
[1:09:09] Speaker 4: this could all add up to something that I could
[1:09:12] Speaker 4: eventually see. You know, are these footprints a can we
[1:09:15] Speaker 4: duplicate this experience? Can we follow it deeper into the forest?
[1:09:20] Speaker 4: And these are the kind of things that you know. Luckily,
[1:09:23] Speaker 4: luckily enough, I lived in a Pacific Northwest it was
[1:09:25] Speaker 4: easy for me to try to do so. I started
[1:09:28] Speaker 4: interviewing people, having conferences, monthly get togethers, and then that
[1:09:34] Speaker 4: added up into me meeting what I would call a
[1:09:37] Speaker 4: Sasquatch contact ee. These families generally, you know, more than
[1:09:41] Speaker 4: one person living in these rural areas that have these
[1:09:44] Speaker 4: ongoing habituated experiences of prolonged Bigfoot activity. And what I
[1:09:49] Speaker 4: come to find out, you know, we're scrubbing fifteen years
[1:09:53] Speaker 4: forward here, is that a that not only can you
[1:09:55] Speaker 4: duplicate these Bigfoot encounters, but it seems to get weirder
[1:10:00] Speaker 4: with these long term witnesses. And that's kind of where
[1:10:04] Speaker 4: our story takes off. At this place we call the
[1:10:06] Speaker 4: al Moonlab. Now. Brett and Jill, the producer and director,
[1:10:11] Speaker 4: got wind of this strange place and Cottage Grove Oregan
[1:10:14] Speaker 4: that I was living at investigating, and that's when filming
[1:10:21] Speaker 4: started and it just kind of snowballed from there as
[1:10:24] Speaker 4: far as my belief system, adding up into more than
[1:10:28] Speaker 4: just you know, anecdotal evidence. There were witnesses involved, There
[1:10:33] Speaker 4: was physical evidence, there was audio, There was eyewitness sightings
[1:10:37] Speaker 4: at this place, and strange occurrences surrounding it, including these
[1:10:41] Speaker 4: strange lights, which is really Simeon's territory. And I will
[1:10:46] Speaker 4: say though, just preemptively here, that the strange lights added
[1:10:50] Speaker 4: up to the idea that there is something strange connected
[1:10:54] Speaker 4: to Bigfoot. And I was warned early on back in
[1:10:57] Speaker 4: two thousand and seven that eventually, when you're looking for Bigfoot,
[1:11:01] Speaker 4: you will see these lights in connection to activity, and
[1:11:05] Speaker 4: it is. It's just one of those things you can't
[1:11:08] Speaker 4: unsee and undo. It's it's probably the most prominent thing
[1:11:12] Speaker 4: paranormally speaking, connected to the bigfoot issue are these darn lights.
[1:11:17] Speaker 4: And we'll get into that more later.
[1:11:20] Speaker 1: Excellent doctor Simon.
[1:11:23] Speaker 3: Well, hey, you know my background is as a statistics
[1:11:27] Speaker 3: teacher in social sciences. You know my backgrounds in sociology.
[1:11:32] Speaker 3: This is one of the ultimate sociology topics because sociologists
[1:11:36] Speaker 3: study hidden events, things that people experience but they don't
[1:11:40] Speaker 3: feel comfortable talking about, you know, in public or sharing
[1:11:45] Speaker 3: with their employers, and they're they're afraid of stigma and ridicule.
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: So sociologists are familiar with this territory. But the way
[1:11:54] Speaker 3: I got involved, well, I was one floor below Grover Krantz,
[1:11:59] Speaker 3: the answerologist at WSU, who was one of the first
[1:12:03] Speaker 3: people in academia, it might have been the first in
[1:12:05] Speaker 3: the US to take the subject seriously. And the Blue
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: Mountains where he studied a lot of these footprints is
[1:12:13] Speaker 3: not very far from here, maybe just about an hour
[1:12:15] Speaker 3: and a half drive. But at the time I was
[1:12:19] Speaker 3: not really interested in the subject. I just had heard
[1:12:23] Speaker 3: about him and I've talked to people recently who said
[1:12:25] Speaker 3: they were friends with him, and I might have run
[1:12:27] Speaker 3: into him, but I didn't know about the subject back then.
[1:12:30] Speaker 3: How I got involved was through something called remote viewing.
[1:12:35] Speaker 3: It's a subject that I learned in nineteen ninety six
[1:12:39] Speaker 3: of a former government classified a program to create psychic spies.
[1:12:45] Speaker 3: And when I took a course in this sort of
[1:12:47] Speaker 3: as an open minded skeptic, I saw that it worked
[1:12:50] Speaker 3: and it sort of showed people more about their mind
[1:12:54] Speaker 3: and their body and how we access information. And I
[1:12:57] Speaker 3: started teaching it. I was teaching it in Boulder, Colorado,
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: and my students, natives of Colorado, started talking about their
[1:13:08] Speaker 3: sasquatch encounters a long time ago, and I was just
[1:13:12] Speaker 3: slow to pick up that this was an important topic,
[1:13:17] Speaker 3: not an escaped gorilla or a wild man or a
[1:13:20] Speaker 3: relic primate, as I think I might have believed from
[1:13:25] Speaker 3: you know, talk overnight talk shows in the nineties, just
[1:13:27] Speaker 3: some very rare animal, but that there was something going
[1:13:30] Speaker 3: on here. They would talk about telepathic encounters. So it
[1:13:34] Speaker 3: got my interest going in it. And when I realized
[1:13:37] Speaker 3: there was this much contact and experiences with people in
[1:13:41] Speaker 3: Colorado and throughout North America, the world. I realized it's
[1:13:46] Speaker 3: another hidden event, that something that I should be looking
[1:13:49] Speaker 3: at more closely, and I started looking into it, and
[1:13:54] Speaker 3: interesting enough, Toby was one of the first people I
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: ever heard interviewed about the subject on some podcasts a
[1:14:01] Speaker 3: number of years ago. I said, oh, guys, I'm got
[1:14:03] Speaker 3: to tune into this, and there was a podcast it
[1:14:05] Speaker 3: was Toby so Here. It kind of comes around full circle.
[1:14:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, excellent. Just like yourself, I was very skeptical
[1:14:14] Speaker 1: about Bigfoot whenever I first started doing this show. I
[1:14:17] Speaker 1: rarely covered the topic every once in a while, and
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: eventually I started having guests that were exploring the more
[1:14:24] Speaker 1: metaphysical aspects a lot deeper than previously discussed, and that's
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: when I started getting more into the topic, becoming more
[1:14:34] Speaker 1: interested and realizing that there is a lot more to
[1:14:37] Speaker 1: this than meets the eye. Now, I want to go
[1:14:40] Speaker 1: through the film without giving away too much of the juicy.
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: At parts, you start off talking with a native about
[1:14:48] Speaker 1: their insights into Bigfoot in the phenomena surrounding, and they
[1:14:53] Speaker 1: approach it very reverently, very respectfully, almost somewhat tentatively. You're
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: nervously right, Yeah, well, that's right.
[1:15:03] Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it needs to be said that
[1:15:08] Speaker 4: in the beginning of this film, it's almost like a ceremony.
[1:15:12] Speaker 4: I mean, is there is a ceremony that is filmed
[1:15:14] Speaker 4: happening there. But the whole beginning, the first ten minutes
[1:15:17] Speaker 4: of the film is just a beautiful homage to the
[1:15:22] Speaker 4: Native American experience and reverence for the subject matter. But yeah,
[1:15:28] Speaker 4: you know, as TJ, who you're talking about in the beginning,
[1:15:30] Speaker 4: sitting around the fire there is talking about his experience
[1:15:35] Speaker 4: looking into the subject matter. He says something I think
[1:15:37] Speaker 4: is really, you know, so so important to say, is
[1:15:41] Speaker 4: that we're speaking about something so exciting, generally, so testosterone driven.
[1:15:47] Speaker 4: But then he reminds the audience that, hey, you know,
[1:15:50] Speaker 4: forgive us for speaking so plainly about something so supernatural,
[1:15:56] Speaker 4: so you know, just out of this world. And I
[1:16:01] Speaker 4: think it's just it's a beautiful way to start this movie.
[1:16:04] Speaker 4: And yes, I did. I ran into that myself. You know,
[1:16:07] Speaker 4: in the beginning circa two thousand and eight time frame,
[1:16:10] Speaker 4: when I'm ready to put on my first conference in
[1:16:12] Speaker 4: the little university town of Eugene, Oregon, I reach out
[1:16:16] Speaker 4: to Calapuya elder by the name of Esther Stutzman, who
[1:16:19] Speaker 4: is she goes around with oral tradition stories of the Klapuyas.
[1:16:24] Speaker 4: And she said the exact same thing to me. She said,
[1:16:28] Speaker 4: you know, I can't even talk about what you're about,
[1:16:31] Speaker 4: you know, ready to talk about until it's the right
[1:16:34] Speaker 4: time of year. You have to call me back. I
[1:16:36] Speaker 4: can't even say the word, you know, sasquatch. We have
[1:16:38] Speaker 4: a whole different word for it. So it's really, you know,
[1:16:42] Speaker 4: an understanding. There's a huge culture divide between us and them.
[1:16:46] Speaker 4: And you know, every time I live out here in
[1:16:48] Speaker 4: the Olympic Peninsula, and every time I have a booth
[1:16:50] Speaker 4: set up, a sasquatch booth set up, and natives approach
[1:16:56] Speaker 4: the booth, they just walk right by. And I know
[1:16:59] Speaker 4: that they have the best stories to tell, but they
[1:17:02] Speaker 4: just won't engage. It just takes a it takes the
[1:17:05] Speaker 4: different types of patients to get to know their stories.
[1:17:09] Speaker 1: Now, I want to get to some of the unexplained
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: abilities that these beings appear to have, and I also
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: want you to chime in on this, doctor Simmy, And
[1:17:20] Speaker 1: towards the beginning, some of the witnesses, we're discussing the
[1:17:25] Speaker 1: sound projection that these beings can emanate and how it
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: has this. It seems the frequency has an effect on
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: the human body. I've heard people saying that they can
[1:17:37] Speaker 1: feel it vibrating and rumbling throughout their body and their chest.
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about what you've found out about
[1:17:45] Speaker 1: these these sounds that these beings are making.
[1:17:50] Speaker 4: Simon, you want that one, well.
[1:17:53] Speaker 3: Uh sure, I mean, you know, in science there's this
[1:17:57] Speaker 3: whole field of infra sound to do with the way
[1:18:02] Speaker 3: large animals can communicate and create a sense of presence.
[1:18:08] Speaker 3: And you know, it's known that elephants communicate with infrasound
[1:18:12] Speaker 3: and it's something that you can't hear, but you can
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: feel it. It's a very low frequency. Now, witnesses to
[1:18:20] Speaker 3: sasquatch report not just their shrieks and howls vibrating, you know,
[1:18:27] Speaker 3: in their organs. I've been told it's like being in
[1:18:30] Speaker 3: a rock concert in front of you know, hard drop
[1:18:32] Speaker 3: counts are being in front of the speakers, if you
[1:18:34] Speaker 3: remember what that feels like going to concerts. But this
[1:18:37] Speaker 3: is something that you can sometimes feel also when it's
[1:18:39] Speaker 3: not audible to your ears. I think this is sort
[1:18:42] Speaker 3: of an idea of what could be going on, But
[1:18:45] Speaker 3: we also can't discount that there could be other frequencies involved,
[1:18:49] Speaker 3: other things going on. But this is the idea, is
[1:18:51] Speaker 3: that they're able to communicate or create a sense of
[1:18:54] Speaker 3: territoriality using sound, and then witnesses sometimes report afterwards feeling
[1:19:00] Speaker 3: very disoriented having been around these frequencies. It's referred to,
[1:19:05] Speaker 3: I think as brain fog.
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: M anything to add tope.
[1:19:11] Speaker 4: You know, I've been in the company of people that
[1:19:13] Speaker 4: have been hit with the supposed infrasound before, and it's
[1:19:16] Speaker 4: really interesting for the fact that it's it seems different
[1:19:19] Speaker 4: than an animal for sure, because it's targeted to individuals.
[1:19:24] Speaker 4: In this case, you know, I was less than two
[1:19:27] Speaker 4: feet away from a guy that told me I shouldn't
[1:19:30] Speaker 4: have brought a gun. They want me to leave. I
[1:19:33] Speaker 4: could see him welling up with tears. This was a
[1:19:36] Speaker 4: guy with you know, a medical background, working on a
[1:19:39] Speaker 4: fire crew down the road, seeing lots of traumas life.
[1:19:42] Speaker 4: But yet the woods that night were super scary to him.
[1:19:47] Speaker 4: And I heard that time and time again, someone's hit,
[1:19:51] Speaker 4: the other person's not hit. Plus this brain fog goes
[1:19:54] Speaker 4: into mind speak in that case, they want me to leave, Well,
[1:19:57] Speaker 4: how the heck did he know that you know this
[1:20:00] Speaker 4: time and time again, messages being delivered, especially with guys
[1:20:04] Speaker 4: that have weapons that are scared. Not so much that
[1:20:06] Speaker 4: I think they bring weapons, but they bring the fear
[1:20:09] Speaker 4: in there on top of it. These are all just
[1:20:13] Speaker 4: conjectures on my part, but being witnessed to this myself,
[1:20:16] Speaker 4: now what I will say, Doug high Check. You know
[1:20:20] Speaker 4: the guy that created Monster Quest and helped get my
[1:20:25] Speaker 4: book out, his son, Blaine high Check, was out in
[1:20:31] Speaker 4: the woods with an EMF detector and while he was
[1:20:34] Speaker 4: out in the woods, he actually got a huge spike
[1:20:37] Speaker 4: on his EMF detector when he got a wood knock. Now,
[1:20:40] Speaker 4: so what's going on here as far as sound in particular,
[1:20:44] Speaker 4: Why in the world would you get a level ten
[1:20:47] Speaker 4: spike on an EMF detector with a wood knock. And
[1:20:51] Speaker 4: I know we're jumping ahead here, but if we're talking
[1:20:53] Speaker 4: about sound overall, I don't think these sounds that people
[1:20:57] Speaker 4: are hearing are what they you know, all these apors
[1:21:00] Speaker 4: are saying there. I think there's something much more strange
[1:21:03] Speaker 4: going on with sound and general because of all the
[1:21:07] Speaker 4: evidence that we got at this place called the Al
[1:21:09] Speaker 4: Moon Lab. And when we talk a little bit about
[1:21:11] Speaker 4: this and the documentary. But you know, a Flash of
[1:21:14] Speaker 4: Beauty is a universe amongst itself. But people can see
[1:21:18] Speaker 4: in the last, you know, the last interview of this
[1:21:21] Speaker 4: movie that we're going to a different place. I think
[1:21:24] Speaker 4: that different place may have more answers.
[1:21:28] Speaker 1: You mentioned the telepathic aspects, which some called mind speak.
[1:21:33] Speaker 1: This also adds to the evidence that these beings are
[1:21:37] Speaker 1: not just some primitive hominid because of the level and
[1:21:43] Speaker 1: ability of communication. It seems to match our level of
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: intelligence and understanding, especially based on the psychic communication that
[1:21:54] Speaker 1: witnesses that I've spoken to and you've spoken to. So
[1:21:57] Speaker 1: that's a very interesting aspect that these beings have the
[1:22:01] Speaker 1: ability to communicate, not only telepathically but very intelligently.
[1:22:08] Speaker 4: Oh, I think so maybe they're just giving us what
[1:22:12] Speaker 4: we can handle, the sea what we can handle to understand.
[1:22:17] Speaker 4: There seems to be a real learning curve getting to
[1:22:19] Speaker 4: know us. And you know, I try to make the
[1:22:22] Speaker 4: point that these habituators or sasquatch contact ease are where
[1:22:27] Speaker 4: the bread and butter are as far as learning what
[1:22:30] Speaker 4: this could all be about, because they don't give you
[1:22:34] Speaker 4: a lot when you wander into their home. If you
[1:22:36] Speaker 4: wander into the woods waiting for an experience to happen.
[1:22:39] Speaker 4: I think it just takes years and years of them
[1:22:43] Speaker 4: watching and trusting. But I think you can move closer
[1:22:47] Speaker 4: to understanding these abilities, which maybe aren't so strange. You know,
[1:22:52] Speaker 4: it's strange to us here in the West. It's not
[1:22:54] Speaker 4: so strange you know in other countries, especially out in
[1:22:58] Speaker 4: the East. So it's you know, it's just something that
[1:23:02] Speaker 4: I think is is never going to This is never
[1:23:06] Speaker 4: going to be solved in the traditional means by the
[1:23:10] Speaker 4: apor community. And you know, for that reason I lean
[1:23:15] Speaker 4: on people like Simeon to explain how we can move
[1:23:18] Speaker 4: closer here. He's really the anchor throughout the documentary that
[1:23:22] Speaker 4: gives us the backing of our claims.
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: Yeah thoughts, doctor Simeon.
[1:23:28] Speaker 3: Yeah. The I think Toby Ray's is a really interesting
[1:23:31] Speaker 3: point is the way we're attempting to talk about this
[1:23:35] Speaker 3: phenomena and these beams. We're doing the best we can
[1:23:39] Speaker 3: with the language that we have and the concepts we have,
[1:23:43] Speaker 3: and what we're doing is and we do this with
[1:23:45] Speaker 3: everything in life, but we're projecting common day ideas onto
[1:23:49] Speaker 3: something we don't understand very well. We're not even sure
[1:23:52] Speaker 3: if the wood knocks are literally wood knocks. I mean,
[1:23:56] Speaker 3: it's not like they're going out there with baseball baseball
[1:24:00] Speaker 3: bats hitting trees. Are they doing it with their fists?
[1:24:03] Speaker 3: I mean people have suggested they're making the sounds in
[1:24:05] Speaker 3: other ways, and I think it was Ron Moorehead who
[1:24:10] Speaker 3: was in the film. I saw him speak just recently
[1:24:14] Speaker 3: at a conference in Montana, Montana con and he was
[1:24:18] Speaker 3: the one I believe suggested It's like the Sasquatch have
[1:24:22] Speaker 3: like this hard drive built into their body that records
[1:24:26] Speaker 3: every sound they've ever heard, and then they can project
[1:24:30] Speaker 3: this at will. You know, even mechanical sounds, sounds of
[1:24:35] Speaker 3: car doors, slamming, sounds of machines, and can be very confusing,
[1:24:42] Speaker 3: and we don't know actually exactly what they're doing. But
[1:24:46] Speaker 3: I think the overall point is we're dealing with an
[1:24:49] Speaker 3: intelligence that has abilities that we don't have or we
[1:24:53] Speaker 3: don't know we have, and it shatters this illusion. I
[1:24:57] Speaker 3: think that we've all been taught that human are the
[1:25:00] Speaker 3: top of the food chain on planet Earth, or the
[1:25:03] Speaker 3: most intelligent beans on planet Earth. I think I've often
[1:25:07] Speaker 3: read that we weren't here. The most intelligent beams would
[1:25:10] Speaker 3: be you know, dogs, I've got one here. Those aren't
[1:25:12] Speaker 3: wood knocking sounds. He's chewing out a bone. But we
[1:25:17] Speaker 3: just have this inculcated into our sense of reality from
[1:25:21] Speaker 3: a very young age, that we're the bees' knees, right, Yeah,
[1:25:25] Speaker 3: And I think that this shows us it's not true
[1:25:28] Speaker 3: that there are these beans out there that are extremely
[1:25:30] Speaker 3: good at strength staying concealed. If they want to be,
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: as Toby says, they'll contact you if they want to
[1:25:37] Speaker 3: get in touch, you know, not necessarily the other way around.
[1:25:42] Speaker 3: We've seen all these shows where they're out there looking
[1:25:44] Speaker 3: for them, and you know, people like this that are
[1:25:47] Speaker 3: out there looking, but it seems like when they want
[1:25:49] Speaker 3: to be make some contact, they'll make some contact. So
[1:25:52] Speaker 3: it just it takes the assumptions we have about reality
[1:25:56] Speaker 3: and you have to cast those aside and look at
[1:25:58] Speaker 3: this with fresh eyes.
[1:26:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. Now, one of the most incredible
[1:26:05] Speaker 1: aspects of the film is the possible ability for these
[1:26:11] Speaker 1: beings to manifest physical items or objects into reality, or
[1:26:19] Speaker 1: maybe they have these objects on hand somehow, I don't know,
[1:26:22] Speaker 1: but in the film you discuss how a couple of
[1:26:25] Speaker 1: eyewitnesses had experiences where they were just thinking about their
[1:26:32] Speaker 1: need of an object while they're in the woods, and
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: within a short amount of time this object appeared in
[1:26:40] Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. Could you talk a little bit
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: about some of those instances.
[1:26:46] Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, this all started the idea of
[1:26:49] Speaker 4: gifting with something that happened up in the Three Sisters
[1:26:54] Speaker 4: Wilderness around twenty twelve time frame, when we're in the
[1:26:59] Speaker 4: proximity of June tracks bigfoot activity in a remote area
[1:27:03] Speaker 4: that James bobo Fey sent us into where he felt,
[1:27:06] Speaker 4: you know, something was eliciting a response, so we thought
[1:27:11] Speaker 4: that was a productive place to hang out. And I'll
[1:27:16] Speaker 4: skip through a lot of this here. It's more chronicled
[1:27:18] Speaker 4: in the book Edges of Science by Tom Power. We
[1:27:21] Speaker 4: talk about this young man who was with us who
[1:27:24] Speaker 4: needed a pair of shoes. The father was out of work.
[1:27:28] Speaker 4: We were talking about this around the campfire and still
[1:27:34] Speaker 4: having bigfoot activity all around us. Mind you, that evening
[1:27:37] Speaker 4: as we're talking about this kid's need for a new
[1:27:39] Speaker 4: pair of shoes. Well, lo and behold, the next morning,
[1:27:42] Speaker 4: a pair of shoes were delivered to this kid just
[1:27:47] Speaker 4: outside of you. They had a mossy patina to them,
[1:27:51] Speaker 4: the laces were tied, they were left and right foot
[1:27:54] Speaker 4: near a juvenile tracks where the gifting station was hit.
[1:28:00] Speaker 4: So incredible story, right, what do we do with that?
[1:28:04] Speaker 4: Did Sasquatch bring the kid a pair of shoes relatively
[1:28:08] Speaker 4: close to his size? I kind of think so, especially
[1:28:13] Speaker 4: after what happened in Cottage Grove, So you're absolutely right
[1:28:18] Speaker 4: the spoken word about what you need just an earshot
[1:28:22] Speaker 4: of these beings. I call them land spirits because they're
[1:28:25] Speaker 4: equal part of the land and of the spirit. In
[1:28:27] Speaker 4: my opinion, they will meet needs and they will leave
[1:28:32] Speaker 4: physical evidence that it was them, including large, greasy handprints,
[1:28:36] Speaker 4: giant fourteen and a half to sixteen inch inch prints.
[1:28:40] Speaker 4: Here there will be a sighting, perhaps coalesced with a gift,
[1:28:46] Speaker 4: and it can happen of all matters, times of day,
[1:28:50] Speaker 4: in anywhere possible, locked cars, locked houses, locked garages, it
[1:28:55] Speaker 4: doesn't matter. Is it always Bigfoot doing this though, is
[1:28:59] Speaker 4: the question. I don't think so. I think once they
[1:29:02] Speaker 4: come in and out of wherever they're coming from, other
[1:29:05] Speaker 4: things can happen along with this, including other gifters or tricksters.
[1:29:12] Speaker 4: But I think for the most part we need to
[1:29:14] Speaker 4: pay attention to this because the first nations people talked
[1:29:17] Speaker 4: about trading. They talked about how sasquatch would come in
[1:29:21] Speaker 4: and they would be warned not to take all the salmon,
[1:29:24] Speaker 4: and they would leave in kind like a skinned elk.
[1:29:27] Speaker 4: I had a case just down the road of a
[1:29:29] Speaker 4: guy that had his salmon taken. The next day he
[1:29:31] Speaker 4: comes out and there's a skinned elk hanging from the
[1:29:34] Speaker 4: tree with his antlers wrapped around the trunk. This is
[1:29:38] Speaker 4: something that is super powerful, super unbelievable, and you kind
[1:29:42] Speaker 4: of have to live it to believe it.
[1:29:45] Speaker 3: There's a larger topic here. It has to do with
[1:29:48] Speaker 3: what we're used to considering this evidence and what Toby
[1:29:54] Speaker 3: is talking about here is something that really has never
[1:29:58] Speaker 3: been presented before scientific evidence, because it really stretches the ability.
[1:30:04] Speaker 3: You can see even Toby is challenged by. You can
[1:30:08] Speaker 3: see it in the film A Flash of Beauty, Paranormal Bigfoot.
[1:30:13] Speaker 3: It challenges our sense of what's possible. My reference has
[1:30:17] Speaker 3: always been this magazine. I've had a subscription ever since
[1:30:20] Speaker 3: I was a graduate student. I've had a subscription since
[1:30:23] Speaker 3: nineteen ninety. It's a long time. It's a third of
[1:30:27] Speaker 3: a century. This is what I look for for evidence
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: and all of this, and yet what we have here
[1:30:34] Speaker 3: with this idea of our interacting with the Bigfoot and
[1:30:39] Speaker 3: what's presented in the film, and what Toby's referring to
[1:30:42] Speaker 3: is this in exchange of objects, gifting things that you need,
[1:30:49] Speaker 3: showing up just at the moment you need it. I
[1:30:53] Speaker 3: am sure there are thousands of stories out there just
[1:30:56] Speaker 3: like what Toby's talking about, but people are reluctant to
[1:30:59] Speaker 3: share it because maybe they can't even believe it themselves.
[1:31:03] Speaker 3: And we know from psychological studies that it's very easy
[1:31:07] Speaker 3: to forget things that don't fit into your ordinary sense
[1:31:11] Speaker 3: of reality. In fact, the first flash of beauty film
[1:31:15] Speaker 3: Bigfoot Revealed talks about this towards the end of the
[1:31:18] Speaker 3: film of how people forget their encounters, And many people
[1:31:22] Speaker 3: may have had experiences that they've forgotten because it doesn't
[1:31:25] Speaker 3: fit into their sense of reality. But I know people
[1:31:28] Speaker 3: who've experienced exactly what Toby just shared. One of them
[1:31:32] Speaker 3: is someone that I got to know through my remote
[1:31:34] Speaker 3: viewing classes, a woman named Julie, And during the RV class,
[1:31:40] Speaker 3: she started talking about some of these experiences and this
[1:31:44] Speaker 3: particular incident, which I shared in my book Dark Matter Monsters,
[1:31:51] Speaker 3: is that she had a plumbing problem in her kitchen.
[1:31:56] Speaker 3: She was near hysterical with the water coming out of
[1:32:00] Speaker 3: the sink, and she burst into tears and ran outside
[1:32:06] Speaker 3: because she didn't have the proper tools. In a remote
[1:32:09] Speaker 3: part of Alabama, it would have taken a couple hours
[1:32:12] Speaker 3: to go to the store, and the flooding would have
[1:32:14] Speaker 3: been bad by then. Right there in the driveway is
[1:32:19] Speaker 3: the perfect sized plumber's wrench. This is what Toby's talking about. Yeah,
[1:32:25] Speaker 3: it stretches the idea of what we think is possible.
[1:32:30] Speaker 3: But if you look into the literature and you talk
[1:32:33] Speaker 3: to people too contact, you get these types of stories.
[1:32:36] Speaker 3: I've heard other stories of people having things repaired overnight
[1:32:40] Speaker 3: that would have taken a very competent machine shop, automobiles
[1:32:45] Speaker 3: with fender damage and so forth, that you couldn't have
[1:32:48] Speaker 3: done at home, and there it is in the morning,
[1:32:50] Speaker 3: with a reasonably good fixed job. So the average scientist
[1:32:55] Speaker 3: is going to find ways of countering that evidence. But
[1:32:58] Speaker 3: I've heard so much of it, I think it just
[1:33:01] Speaker 3: we have to accept that it's happening if you listen
[1:33:04] Speaker 3: to what the witnesses are telling us. And there's another
[1:33:07] Speaker 3: let me tell you one more related subject to this
[1:33:09] Speaker 3: that also you know my own sense of reality really
[1:33:12] Speaker 3: challenged it. But we're told it's real. It's something called aports,
[1:33:16] Speaker 3: and these are objects that seem to appear out of
[1:33:19] Speaker 3: thin air that have been This sort of process happens
[1:33:24] Speaker 3: around psychics, and it happened around Uri Gellar, as documented
[1:33:29] Speaker 3: at Stanford Research Institute when he was there working with
[1:33:34] Speaker 3: SRI in the early seventies on the Government Remote Viewing Project.
[1:33:38] Speaker 3: I mean, this is funded by government, federal government dollars.
[1:33:41] Speaker 3: And yet Targan put Off tell us that objects they
[1:33:44] Speaker 3: had been missing for months showed up out of nowhere,
[1:33:48] Speaker 3: falling out of the air. It seems unbelievable, but here
[1:33:52] Speaker 3: we have documented cases. So it reminds me of aports.
[1:33:55] Speaker 3: And so it seems to indicate that the Sasquatch interact
[1:33:59] Speaker 3: with the love of reality that creates matter, transforms matter,
[1:34:06] Speaker 3: and connects us to these other sort of so called
[1:34:08] Speaker 3: paranormal phenomenon.
[1:34:11] Speaker 1: Now, tob could you tell us a little bit about
[1:34:13] Speaker 1: the discovery you made in the woods that appear to
[1:34:18] Speaker 1: be imprints of very large knees that had hair in them,
[1:34:24] Speaker 1: and you were able to do molds of these knees,
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: and it in turn caused some incredible understandings and events
[1:34:33] Speaker 1: after that.
[1:34:36] Speaker 4: Yeah, just to circle back to the aports real quick.
[1:34:40] Speaker 4: You know, there is something connected to this mystery beyond
[1:34:45] Speaker 4: just gifting Sasquatch themselves airport, they are most familiar with
[1:34:52] Speaker 4: the idea of appearing out of thin air, and the
[1:34:55] Speaker 4: objects that are delivered seem to be preceded by a sound.
[1:35:01] Speaker 4: And these sounds have been recorded and I think ignored
[1:35:05] Speaker 4: for the most part, but they are you know, a
[1:35:08] Speaker 4: traditional knocking, thudding, popping sound as these things pop into existence.
[1:35:15] Speaker 4: So I just asked for anybody that's into paranormal research
[1:35:19] Speaker 4: or bigfoot research to don't ignore those sounds, scour the
[1:35:23] Speaker 4: area for these objects, because the idea of pennies from
[1:35:27] Speaker 4: heaven didn't just come out of thin area either. This
[1:35:29] Speaker 4: notion that these objects appear without study or compromise, I
[1:35:35] Speaker 4: think is something that we need to look at. And
[1:35:38] Speaker 4: you know, I'm always wanting the network with people that
[1:35:40] Speaker 4: are on the leading edge of the weirdness here. Now
[1:35:43] Speaker 4: getting to your point, with these these knees, we found
[1:35:47] Speaker 4: a set of what looked like knee impressions above witness
[1:35:52] Speaker 4: Darryl Adams House. This was also known as the al moonlab.
[1:35:55] Speaker 4: Him and his wife would be the perfect retired witnesses
[1:35:59] Speaker 4: that allow me to live there and you know, study
[1:36:02] Speaker 4: this living laboratory, and they were having hidden events all
[1:36:06] Speaker 4: the time. Now they represent what happens when you engage
[1:36:11] Speaker 4: the phenomena in this documentary. Not all the witnesses in
[1:36:15] Speaker 4: this documentary want to engage the phenomena or had the
[1:36:19] Speaker 4: time to do it, but they did. We did, and
[1:36:23] Speaker 4: part of that, I think was the reason is because
[1:36:25] Speaker 4: we brought biologicals. Native American Mel Skahan talks about what
[1:36:31] Speaker 4: happens when you bring back hair. Now, these knees were
[1:36:34] Speaker 4: coated and hair. You know, this was a fifty pound
[1:36:37] Speaker 4: bag of hydrocal poured into a single print and basically
[1:36:42] Speaker 4: excised out of the mud on a log and brought
[1:36:45] Speaker 4: back to his house to later be exhumed. And as
[1:36:48] Speaker 4: we're exooming it, we can see that there's anatomy. There
[1:36:51] Speaker 4: looks to be a fatty tissue and hair flow. It
[1:36:55] Speaker 4: looks human like. In fact, we had an orthopedic surgeon
[1:36:58] Speaker 4: take a look at them through a foot photograph. You agreed
[1:37:02] Speaker 4: was shocked at the size of twelve hundred pounds plus.
[1:37:05] Speaker 4: We get into all that in my book. We don't
[1:37:08] Speaker 4: really talk about it in the documentary as far as
[1:37:11] Speaker 4: you know, the amount of data that I pursued forensically
[1:37:15] Speaker 4: to talk about what this could be. Now, I thought
[1:37:19] Speaker 4: this was something that would be explainable by nature. I
[1:37:23] Speaker 4: thought this would be cattle. I thought this would be elk.
[1:37:26] Speaker 4: I thought this could be a bear. It certainly didn't
[1:37:29] Speaker 4: seem like a human. The only reason we recorded it
[1:37:32] Speaker 4: was to kind of, you know, our due diligence as
[1:37:37] Speaker 4: far as I was doing a live podcast down the
[1:37:39] Speaker 4: street at a bar, and I thought, well, I'll show
[1:37:41] Speaker 4: the audience here what it's like to cast evidence, even
[1:37:45] Speaker 4: if it's not you know, bigfoot relating. Well, it turned
[1:37:48] Speaker 4: out to be a whole lot stranger because once we
[1:37:50] Speaker 4: put those knees in there and we got all this
[1:37:52] Speaker 4: data back that it was nothing in the data bank
[1:37:56] Speaker 4: as far as microscopic analysis was concerned. We never had
[1:37:59] Speaker 4: it a tested as far as the air. But all
[1:38:02] Speaker 4: these strange things started to happen, including these gifts. Things
[1:38:07] Speaker 4: would be just delivered.
[1:38:10] Speaker 3: You know.
[1:38:10] Speaker 4: One of the first strange gifts that we got was
[1:38:14] Speaker 4: preceded by strange knocks and tap sound, which was this
[1:38:18] Speaker 4: walking stick that was laid up against my trailer, and
[1:38:21] Speaker 4: then the walking stick would be preceded by a fishing
[1:38:24] Speaker 4: bobber set below the steps, and then I had a
[1:38:29] Speaker 4: canvas canopy over the top of my trailer. There for sunshade,
[1:38:34] Speaker 4: we would find a piece of palisanto would set atop
[1:38:37] Speaker 4: the seven foot tall shading area, and then that would
[1:38:40] Speaker 4: be a piece of Carnelian stone set in the same area.
[1:38:44] Speaker 4: So you know, this is what the witnesses are trying
[1:38:47] Speaker 4: to describe here, is that once you engage this phenomena,
[1:38:51] Speaker 4: and I say, once you start engaging and regifting, that
[1:38:55] Speaker 4: type of engagement is a different kind of tress level.
[1:38:58] Speaker 4: Now you're into negotiating and bargaining perhaps tools and crafts
[1:39:03] Speaker 4: and beautiful objects and sentimental items.
[1:39:07] Speaker 1: I have a good friend of mine who's also a
[1:39:09] Speaker 1: Bigfoot experiencer, have had him on the show a couple
[1:39:12] Speaker 1: of times. His name is Scott Pace, and ever since
[1:39:16] Speaker 1: he had an initial experience where he saw this bigfoot
[1:39:22] Speaker 1: being and he had telepathic exchange of communication, it seems
[1:39:28] Speaker 1: to have opened not only opened up his perception to
[1:39:31] Speaker 1: where he now often has contact experiences with Bigfoot, but
[1:39:36] Speaker 1: also other beings. And he also had visitations in his
[1:39:41] Speaker 1: home and was left strange objects and his keys were taken,
[1:39:45] Speaker 1: and he said he believes that there are other trickster
[1:39:48] Speaker 1: entities now involved in his experience as well as he's
[1:39:53] Speaker 1: having extraterrestrial contact experiences now as far as he can understand,
[1:39:58] Speaker 1: he'll have missing time, wake up the ne next day
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: with memories of different beings surrounding him. It's become incredibly
[1:40:06] Speaker 1: interesting the escalation of events, especially with this one witness.
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: But this is also something that's happened with quite a
[1:40:15] Speaker 1: few people that I understand, who get involved with these experiences.
[1:40:20] Speaker 4: Right, do you want that one, Simon?
[1:40:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, this it's Chris right, yes, Yeah. This raises a
[1:40:31] Speaker 3: lot of really interesting issues because I mean the first
[1:40:36] Speaker 3: issue is us our willingness to look at new evidence
[1:40:40] Speaker 3: and new ideas. I think this is actually the most
[1:40:42] Speaker 3: important factor because there's so many, so many people and
[1:40:47] Speaker 3: science that don't want to look outside of what they
[1:40:50] Speaker 3: consider to be their range of evidence. And what you're
[1:40:53] Speaker 3: referring to, Chris, is what's known as overlapping phenomenology, and
[1:40:57] Speaker 3: this is where you get involved in sasquatch and it
[1:41:01] Speaker 3: leads to seeing orbs, and then you have a full
[1:41:04] Speaker 3: blown UFO siding. And then the next thing is entities
[1:41:07] Speaker 3: are visiting you at night in your home. To the
[1:41:11] Speaker 3: average scientists, they're going to lump that into these sort
[1:41:16] Speaker 3: of derogatorily categorized names, and they're not even going to
[1:41:21] Speaker 3: look at it because they're going to say it almost
[1:41:25] Speaker 3: fits one of the categories in the DSM Manual for
[1:41:29] Speaker 3: psychological disorders.
[1:41:31] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:41:32] Speaker 3: But when you look back through the history of science,
[1:41:35] Speaker 3: every single new discovery has always been treated this way,
[1:41:40] Speaker 3: all of them. Even meteorites were considered peasant folklore. Around
[1:41:45] Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds, the meteorites were thrown away from museums
[1:41:50] Speaker 3: because they were considered to be unreal because Aristotle said
[1:41:54] Speaker 3: nothing can come from the sky, there's nothing going on
[1:41:57] Speaker 3: past the moon, and everyone just believed Aristotle. History of
[1:42:01] Speaker 3: science is full of examples of the way modern mainstream
[1:42:06] Speaker 3: science reacts to these topics, the way the topics that
[1:42:09] Speaker 3: they get funded for now were reacted a couple hundred
[1:42:12] Speaker 3: years ago to by the people back then. It was
[1:42:15] Speaker 3: considered to be just some sort of folklore, and it
[1:42:19] Speaker 3: becomes the basis of science and technology, which is how
[1:42:22] Speaker 3: we communicate now. So every new discovery is treated this way.
[1:42:26] Speaker 3: But this is what you're saying, Chris, is what people report.
[1:42:30] Speaker 3: There have been names that have been given to it,
[1:42:32] Speaker 3: one of them which I'm not a super fan of,
[1:42:34] Speaker 3: but it's out there. In the popular genre of discussion
[1:42:38] Speaker 3: of these topics, called the hitchhiker effect is if something
[1:42:41] Speaker 3: attaches itself to you once you encounter any topic like this,
[1:42:46] Speaker 3: I mean, and Toby's alluding to this just at the
[1:42:49] Speaker 3: beginning of the interview. Here where you know what exactly
[1:42:52] Speaker 3: are we dealing with? Here? Are we dealing with physical entities?
[1:42:55] Speaker 3: Are we dealing with spirits that can manifest themselves physically?
[1:43:00] Speaker 3: But if you look at it from a larger point
[1:43:05] Speaker 3: of view, of parallel realities multidimensionality something that was proposed
[1:43:11] Speaker 3: in physics at Princeton by whoever at the third in
[1:43:15] Speaker 3: nineteen fifty seven. His dissertation is about parallel realities. Back
[1:43:20] Speaker 3: then it was called relative states. It was eventually called
[1:43:23] Speaker 3: the many world interpretation. This is something I studied quite
[1:43:28] Speaker 3: thoroughly before even getting involved with the Bigfoot topic. Is
[1:43:32] Speaker 3: are there parallel realities? Are there other realities in the
[1:43:35] Speaker 3: same space that we're in right now that we don't
[1:43:37] Speaker 3: perceive directly, but they're happening, and modern physicists have come
[1:43:42] Speaker 3: to some of them. Mainstream physicists have said, yes, this
[1:43:46] Speaker 3: has to be one of the outcomes of quantum mechanics.
[1:43:52] Speaker 3: Even Schrodinger himself, the guy that created the quantum wave function,
[1:43:56] Speaker 3: believed that this is where it would lead. Once you
[1:44:00] Speaker 3: have the idea that there are parallel realities, what are
[1:44:03] Speaker 3: you looking for next evidence? So maybe this is evidence
[1:44:07] Speaker 3: of other dimensions, other parallel reality. I'm talking seriously in
[1:44:12] Speaker 3: terms of the physics here, not not some sort of metaphysics,
[1:44:15] Speaker 3: not some sort of philosophy of the way it actually works.
[1:44:19] Speaker 3: And if that's what we're looking at, we should be
[1:44:21] Speaker 3: looking at all of these accounts and experiences because it
[1:44:25] Speaker 3: has the consistency and the repeatability over and over again.
[1:44:30] Speaker 3: Just look back in decades of literature from UFO witnesses
[1:44:34] Speaker 3: and contact these going back to the fifties. They report
[1:44:37] Speaker 3: these same sorts of experiences. So when we look for
[1:44:42] Speaker 3: these commonalities, we can see why we get this in
[1:44:45] Speaker 3: people that experience orbs and ball lightning. We get it
[1:44:48] Speaker 3: to experience people who feel it's been around, poltergeist and
[1:44:53] Speaker 3: UFOs and now sasquatch. So this gives us sort of
[1:44:56] Speaker 3: a baseline to say, maybe we do have some sort
[1:44:59] Speaker 3: of process going on here that is an extension of physics.
[1:45:03] Speaker 3: It's not like counter science. This is what science all
[1:45:06] Speaker 3: us should be.
[1:45:07] Speaker 1: Happening now, doctor Simmy. And last time you were on
[1:45:10] Speaker 1: my show, you discussed this a little bit, the possibilities
[1:45:14] Speaker 1: of a fifth state of matter that these beings know
[1:45:17] Speaker 1: how to manipulate, and that might explain some of the
[1:45:21] Speaker 1: abilities that we're seeing.
[1:45:22] Speaker 4: Right.
[1:45:23] Speaker 3: Oh right, So we did an interview before, didn't we.
[1:45:25] Speaker 3: I thought we did. Yes, Yeah, so this I really
[1:45:28] Speaker 3: appreciate the creators of A Flash of Baby parentl Bigfoot
[1:45:32] Speaker 3: for being open minded enough to kind of include these
[1:45:36] Speaker 3: ideas in the film. They took a risk by doing this,
[1:45:41] Speaker 3: but I feel like they really extended themselves where science
[1:45:44] Speaker 3: is going in a big way by doing this, because
[1:45:49] Speaker 3: this is what physics tells us is happening, is their
[1:45:53] Speaker 3: states of matter beyond the ones that we're familiar with,
[1:45:56] Speaker 3: and you can't always see them, but they're around all
[1:45:59] Speaker 3: the time. Static electricity is one of them. You feel
[1:46:02] Speaker 3: it sometimes. You see those little sparks on your sheets
[1:46:06] Speaker 3: when you pull the covers up at night. Right, that
[1:46:09] Speaker 3: is a plasma state of matter or familiar with that.
[1:46:12] Speaker 3: You know in Aurora borealis lightning and fluorescent light tubes.
[1:46:17] Speaker 3: You know something there, You know, it's not out of
[1:46:20] Speaker 3: science fiction. There are states of matter beyond that self
[1:46:23] Speaker 3: organized plasmas, and they wink in and out of our
[1:46:28] Speaker 3: reality quite quickly. People who studied this, funded by federal
[1:46:34] Speaker 3: science dollars, Ken Shoulders and others have told us they
[1:46:38] Speaker 3: exist all around us. Sometimes they appear as microorbs ball lightning.
[1:46:45] Speaker 3: Sometimes they persist for days embedded in metals, and other
[1:46:49] Speaker 3: times they just pop up so quickly and disappear you
[1:46:51] Speaker 3: won't even see them. And they even have stealth modes
[1:46:55] Speaker 3: dark states where they could literally be right next to you. You
[1:46:58] Speaker 3: won't see them, but you'll feel the effects. And to me,
[1:47:01] Speaker 3: that creates quite acrossover to what we call power normal phenomena.
[1:47:07] Speaker 3: They are just too many similarities there to ignore for me. Yea,
[1:47:12] Speaker 3: and I think once you look at the witnesses here,
[1:47:15] Speaker 3: and I guess we talked about this in the previous interview,
[1:47:17] Speaker 3: and again I'm really pleased that the folks that made
[1:47:21] Speaker 3: a Flash of Beauty Part two. You know, felt, Wow,
[1:47:25] Speaker 3: this sort of connects in. We have to include it
[1:47:28] Speaker 3: because I felt for a couple of years now that
[1:47:30] Speaker 3: it did, and it helps us bring a lot of
[1:47:32] Speaker 3: disparate topics together and find the common ground.
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: It would also help explain their cloaking abilities, right.
[1:47:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is super important here. I just spoke
[1:47:45] Speaker 3: to a witness at this conference in Montana a couple
[1:47:49] Speaker 3: of weekends ago, just talking to her, and she said,
[1:47:53] Speaker 3: I saw one on my grandparents' property. It was a juvenile.
[1:47:56] Speaker 3: My dog saw it first and it sort of kneeled down.
[1:47:59] Speaker 3: I said, I looked what it was staring at, and
[1:48:01] Speaker 3: it literally vanished in front of our eyes. She used
[1:48:06] Speaker 3: the word digitized. I said, you mean pixelated. She said, yes,
[1:48:10] Speaker 3: it was like these little pixelated and then it was
[1:48:13] Speaker 3: transparently it was gone. That's exactly what you see in
[1:48:17] Speaker 3: a flash of beauty paranormal bigfoot. Other people have talked
[1:48:21] Speaker 3: to this same point. The Russian researcher Igor Bortzev, they're
[1:48:25] Speaker 3: more open to these sorts of aspects of sasquatch in
[1:48:29] Speaker 3: their research in Russia over the past couple decades than
[1:48:33] Speaker 3: American sasquatch researchers, by and large but this is what
[1:48:37] Speaker 3: the witnesses are telling us. And as a sociologist, I
[1:48:40] Speaker 3: think it's criminal to ignore what the witnesses are telling you.
[1:48:43] Speaker 3: If they're telling you that's what they're seeing, well they
[1:48:46] Speaker 3: believe that's what they're seeing. Why do so many witnesses
[1:48:49] Speaker 3: from Russia and the US all report the exact same pixelation.
[1:48:53] Speaker 3: And in the film you can actually see a witness
[1:48:58] Speaker 3: that recorded this with their video camera. They saw it
[1:49:01] Speaker 3: with their eyes. I don't want to give too much away,
[1:49:03] Speaker 3: but it's too important not to talk about. And yet
[1:49:05] Speaker 3: in the film it's in the trailer it pixelates. This
[1:49:09] Speaker 3: is not jpeg distortion, as some skeptics tried to counter argue,
[1:49:14] Speaker 3: because as Eric Bard points out in the film, you
[1:49:17] Speaker 3: can see him analyzing it in the trailer, it's not
[1:49:19] Speaker 3: in the front images, it's only in the back. And
[1:49:22] Speaker 3: this is what they said they saw in Other witnesses
[1:49:24] Speaker 3: say the same thing. So we have to consider that
[1:49:27] Speaker 3: the possibility we're dealing with creatures that can become invisible
[1:49:30] Speaker 3: at will, or some of them at least, you know,
[1:49:33] Speaker 3: and that's a big one. But this is what weird
[1:49:35] Speaker 3: people say.
[1:49:35] Speaker 1: There seemed, yeah, anything to add to that too.
[1:49:40] Speaker 2: Well.
[1:49:41] Speaker 4: Witness barbed Shop recorded that I believe with not even iPhone.
[1:49:45] Speaker 4: I think it was a lower caliber Mac like an
[1:49:50] Speaker 4: iPod Touch or something like that. So super super old school,
[1:49:54] Speaker 4: and the metadata was given to the director Brett, and
[1:49:58] Speaker 4: he ran it as my as he could. I think
[1:50:01] Speaker 4: the footage was actually given to the folks over at
[1:50:05] Speaker 4: Lucas Studio. In fact, I think the guy that digitized
[1:50:08] Speaker 4: Yoda for the the uh you know, the newer versions
[1:50:13] Speaker 4: of Star Wars that came out in the mid nineties,
[1:50:15] Speaker 4: I believe got a hold of that footage there. And
[1:50:17] Speaker 4: I think the last thing that came back as an
[1:50:20] Speaker 4: email correspondence from him was is that this has to
[1:50:23] Speaker 4: be fake. Not that he could prove it, not that
[1:50:27] Speaker 4: it was, but it just has to be. And I
[1:50:29] Speaker 4: think that's where we land. You know, so much of
[1:50:32] Speaker 4: my time back in you know, twenty twelve time frame
[1:50:37] Speaker 4: with the APOR community was well, this has to be untrue.
[1:50:41] Speaker 4: If it was what you and the likes of Ron
[1:50:43] Speaker 4: and Tom Powell were saying this all was, I wouldn't
[1:50:47] Speaker 4: be into it because of, you know, probably the religious
[1:50:51] Speaker 4: implications of what we're looking into. Man, I don't know
[1:50:55] Speaker 4: if we need to go there or not. I mean,
[1:50:57] Speaker 4: certainly there seems to be spiritual implications here or the
[1:51:01] Speaker 4: fifth state. I guess probably the safer word we could
[1:51:05] Speaker 4: use as far as trying to understand what's going on here.
[1:51:08] Speaker 4: But you know, there's I've been in proximity to what
[1:51:15] Speaker 4: can only be described as a sasquatch near me that
[1:51:20] Speaker 4: I couldn't see. I mean, we're talking about something on
[1:51:23] Speaker 4: two legs that sounds like an elephant on two legs
[1:51:27] Speaker 4: running full speed at you in the middle of the day,
[1:51:30] Speaker 4: and a wide open trail coming at you from behind
[1:51:34] Speaker 4: full speed. You'd swear it was Andrea the Giant or
[1:51:37] Speaker 4: something bigger, and then just stopping abruptly, you know, only
[1:51:41] Speaker 4: inches from behind you, as though it's you know, setting
[1:51:45] Speaker 4: you up, or it's a game of some kind. These
[1:51:49] Speaker 4: things refuse to go away. As far as Barb Shoop's
[1:51:52] Speaker 4: footage is concerned, you know, to know Barb is to
[1:51:57] Speaker 4: love Barb, and I completely stand behind what happened her.
[1:52:02] Speaker 4: In fact, there are other witnesses there, and we should
[1:52:04] Speaker 4: say she saw what happened as she's filming it, and
[1:52:08] Speaker 4: she describes it totally different than what she's filming. So
[1:52:12] Speaker 4: this goes to In my opinion, this goes to what
[1:52:16] Speaker 4: the sensor data is showing compared to what your eyes
[1:52:19] Speaker 4: are able to see. We have a new research area,
[1:52:22] Speaker 4: and God love this guy, but he goes out like
[1:52:25] Speaker 4: he's a Navy seal with his night vision goggle monocular,
[1:52:29] Speaker 4: you know, amped up in front of his eye, and
[1:52:32] Speaker 4: we're doing nighttime walks out here in Squatchy areas in
[1:52:35] Speaker 4: the Olympic Peninsula and he's seeing things in the woods
[1:52:38] Speaker 4: with his night vision. I'm not seeing. And I think
[1:52:41] Speaker 4: it comes to sensor data. I mean, eventually you're going
[1:52:45] Speaker 4: to see something different than your eyes are able to
[1:52:49] Speaker 4: pick up on. Including here this gets into what I
[1:52:53] Speaker 4: described in the book as layer caking, where in order
[1:52:58] Speaker 4: to hear the supernaw natural, you have to layer up
[1:53:02] Speaker 4: the phenomena digitally in order to find it because they
[1:53:04] Speaker 4: can't always deliver the audio to your microphone. Sometimes they
[1:53:09] Speaker 4: deliver the audio from your video recorder and you hear
[1:53:12] Speaker 4: it through your microphone. You get the gist of this.
[1:53:15] Speaker 4: So the more layers that you add to this, which
[1:53:18] Speaker 4: is a lot of painstaking review, that's why people don't
[1:53:20] Speaker 4: want to do it. But if you don't hear it.
[1:53:23] Speaker 4: Your microphone may very well have And this happens live
[1:53:28] Speaker 4: in our sequel. We catch from two different cameras, and
[1:53:33] Speaker 4: I'll let Simeon describe what we're talking about here with
[1:53:36] Speaker 4: the psychic Tara Harris. What would looks like a micro
[1:53:41] Speaker 4: orb from two different camera angles, along with very suspicious
[1:53:46] Speaker 4: and very familiar, strange guttural vocabulary in the background.
[1:53:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very interesting part of the film because
[1:53:58] Speaker 3: you hear the sound and you catch these little, you know,
[1:54:02] Speaker 3: micro ball lightnings behind her. That's what you're referring to, right, So.
[1:54:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think in front of the frame.
[1:54:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, in front of the frame. This is sort of
[1:54:10] Speaker 3: what I just kept you know, I was looking at
[1:54:11] Speaker 3: a photo on my computer from you know, twenty years ago,
[1:54:15] Speaker 3: and I looked at it and I said, that's exactly
[1:54:17] Speaker 3: what was in the film. It's a picture taken of
[1:54:20] Speaker 3: someone and no one saw it at the time, but
[1:54:22] Speaker 3: there's an orb that cast a shadow on the wall
[1:54:26] Speaker 3: and you can see it in the still frame, but
[1:54:28] Speaker 3: no one at the time saw it. Yeah, what we're
[1:54:31] Speaker 3: dealing with here is it would appear is this fifth
[1:54:36] Speaker 3: state of matter that Toby's referring to and It has
[1:54:43] Speaker 3: well known properties that have been researched probably ever since
[1:54:48] Speaker 3: Nikola Tesla, by Tesla and other researchers. Everyone who studied
[1:54:52] Speaker 3: this has different names for it. I mean, Tesla called
[1:54:54] Speaker 3: it radiant energy, ken shoulders where I mentioned called it
[1:54:58] Speaker 3: exotic vacuum objects. Those But we're talking about clusters of
[1:55:03] Speaker 3: charges that gets catalyzed perhaps by oxygen, and turns into
[1:55:08] Speaker 3: these self organized little plasma plasmoids that are persistent and
[1:55:13] Speaker 3: seem to have lifelike qualities. They certainly have a lot
[1:55:16] Speaker 3: of energy and can release a lot of EMF energy.
[1:55:21] Speaker 3: I mean to mention the the spike in someone's EMFs
[1:55:27] Speaker 3: meter while they heard the wood knocking sounds. So to me,
[1:55:30] Speaker 3: this seems like a life form that has integrated itself
[1:55:34] Speaker 3: with these self organizing plasmas. It's a type of plasma
[1:55:38] Speaker 3: life form, self organized plasma life form that has mastered
[1:55:45] Speaker 3: the dark modes as well, so it can go into
[1:55:48] Speaker 3: this with what you know the researchers call stealth plasma mode.
[1:55:53] Speaker 3: It's almost like what we see as a technology. These
[1:55:57] Speaker 3: beings have. It's part of nature and they've been around
[1:56:01] Speaker 3: perhaps longer than we have, or they have just turned
[1:56:05] Speaker 3: it into their nature, you know, natural technology, while we
[1:56:08] Speaker 3: went the mechanistic route with machines.
[1:56:10] Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was just gonna ask, because we
[1:56:13] Speaker 1: have lost our connection with nature and we were going
[1:56:16] Speaker 1: into this more technocratic age. We possibly had those abilities
[1:56:20] Speaker 1: at one point, and now they've just gone dormant, right right.
[1:56:24] Speaker 3: And you know, you had recently on YouTube this presentation
[1:56:28] Speaker 3: from Randall Carlson who talked about ancient people's having these
[1:56:35] Speaker 3: plasma technologies. Bob Greenier has talked about this Martin Fleigem
[1:56:39] Speaker 3: Memorial project, and people are researching this now and they're saying,
[1:56:44] Speaker 3: we modern people have forgotten something that it appears from
[1:56:48] Speaker 3: the artwork and the artifacts of people thousands of years
[1:56:51] Speaker 3: ago that they were using these types of plasmas as
[1:56:56] Speaker 3: power sources for light, to do work, maybe even to
[1:57:00] Speaker 3: create levitation, because this is what these types of matter
[1:57:04] Speaker 3: can do. If you look at this type of research
[1:57:07] Speaker 3: when it's funded by DOE or the Air Force, if
[1:57:11] Speaker 3: you can read the parts of the documents that haven't
[1:57:14] Speaker 3: been redacted white it out as they do nowadays, not
[1:57:18] Speaker 3: necessarily blackout, white it out, you'll see the words gravity
[1:57:21] Speaker 3: used a lot. Even Martin Fleischmann, the fellow at University
[1:57:27] Speaker 3: of Utah Salt Lake with Stanley Ponds, who were castigated
[1:57:33] Speaker 3: and pillaried for claiming they discovered cold fusion in nineteen
[1:57:36] Speaker 3: eighty nine. If you looked at what else they were
[1:57:37] Speaker 3: looking at, it had to do with gravity states of matter.
[1:57:42] Speaker 3: They could create reverse gravity, other gravitational fields, So it's
[1:57:48] Speaker 3: not totally unreasonable to believe that perhaps other people had
[1:57:52] Speaker 3: learned to use this. When we look at reports of sasquatch,
[1:57:56] Speaker 3: we're told by witnesses time and time again they appear
[1:58:00] Speaker 3: to be gliding through the woods. That could be perhaps
[1:58:04] Speaker 3: because they walk differently than we do and their head
[1:58:07] Speaker 3: doesn't go up and down, or maybe they are literally
[1:58:10] Speaker 3: gliding over the surface of the forests. Sometimes they're not
[1:58:15] Speaker 3: just stomping on it making those huge thundering sounds as
[1:58:19] Speaker 3: some people report, But some people report them sort of
[1:58:21] Speaker 3: gliding and even going speeds that don't seem possible through
[1:58:25] Speaker 3: very rough, you know, bouldery tree stumped areas. So yeah,
[1:58:31] Speaker 3: I think that's one possibility that has to be considered here,
[1:58:34] Speaker 3: is that these creatures, even though it may be very
[1:58:37] Speaker 3: tough for our collective ego to accept, can you know,
[1:58:42] Speaker 3: take advantage of cloaking invisibility, some counter gravitational effects, luminosity.
[1:58:50] Speaker 3: I mean, the witnesses report that their eyes emit light.
[1:58:55] Speaker 3: We're not talking about reflecting light like your K nine
[1:58:58] Speaker 3: or a deer or something, eyes that eat glow. Even
[1:59:03] Speaker 3: Jonathan Dover mentioned this at this conference just recently. We're
[1:59:07] Speaker 3: talking about it afterwards. The eyes seem either backlit or
[1:59:11] Speaker 3: are emitting light onto the forest floor or wherever they are.
[1:59:14] Speaker 3: So these are a whole range of characteristics of these creatures.
[1:59:20] Speaker 3: Again that has parallels to this plasma state, coherent plasmas,
[1:59:26] Speaker 3: and so forth. And if we look at the research
[1:59:30] Speaker 3: into those areas, there are just a lot of commonalities there.
[1:59:33] Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm suggesting that there's life forms that have
[1:59:36] Speaker 3: embodied this and they're around us right now.
[1:59:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, this is fascinating. Now for the last few minutes
[1:59:42] Speaker 1: we have, we can't ignore these spiritual possibilities with this,
[1:59:46] Speaker 1: like you brought up, Tobe, and I think this is
[1:59:48] Speaker 1: also one of the more interesting aspects of it for me.
[1:59:51] Speaker 1: Maybe it's because we just don't understand their behavior and
[1:59:56] Speaker 1: their connection to nature and their abilities, but in the
[2:00:00] Speaker 1: film you even mentioned how they will present themselves more
[2:00:04] Speaker 1: to people with enhanced awareness or spiritual awareness, or some
[2:00:11] Speaker 1: sort of understand more of an understanding of nature in
[2:00:15] Speaker 1: the natural world. And I've heard this with multiple experiences
[2:00:20] Speaker 1: of the phenomenons where they will form a relationship with
[2:00:24] Speaker 1: these beings being that they have a more spiritual outlook
[2:00:28] Speaker 1: to begin with, and they'll go out and these beings
[2:00:31] Speaker 1: will tend to interact with these folks more. What do
[2:00:35] Speaker 1: you think about that.
[2:00:38] Speaker 4: Well, there's something with intent. If your intent is to
[2:00:41] Speaker 4: go out into gather evidence, they seem really hesitance to
[2:00:47] Speaker 4: have you as company, especially out in their area. But
[2:00:52] Speaker 4: when it comes to your intent to maybe have an
[2:00:57] Speaker 4: experience without evidence, that's when things seem to get interesting.
[2:01:03] Speaker 3: You know.
[2:01:03] Speaker 4: For the most part, I try to stay away from
[2:01:05] Speaker 4: the spiritual application or understanding of the evidence as it's
[2:01:10] Speaker 4: presented itself, because it doesn't really seem to be spiritual.
[2:01:14] Speaker 4: It seems to be a very big gray area. But intent,
[2:01:20] Speaker 4: if we're to garner something out of that, I think
[2:01:22] Speaker 4: it has to do with ego. I hate to even
[2:01:26] Speaker 4: speak this way because it kind of glides into, you know,
[2:01:31] Speaker 4: a more new age understanding of what's happening here. But
[2:01:34] Speaker 4: there's if you're dissuaded of ego. It seems as though,
[2:01:37] Speaker 4: and you know, I'm leaning on Tom Powell here where
[2:01:40] Speaker 4: he talks about the more folksy type of people that
[2:01:43] Speaker 4: are absence of ego and absence of looking for evidence,
[2:01:46] Speaker 4: they seem to get more of the goods. But the
[2:01:49] Speaker 4: minute you start showing up with the fact that you're
[2:01:51] Speaker 4: going to be the big cock of the walk here,
[2:01:53] Speaker 4: maybe they're just picking up on the fact that you think,
[2:01:56] Speaker 4: you know, you're going to come out there and take
[2:01:58] Speaker 4: care of this. Maybe maybe that's it. But you know,
[2:02:03] Speaker 4: I don't look at myself as someone who's able to
[2:02:05] Speaker 4: garner experiences just based upon my understanding of this or
[2:02:10] Speaker 4: what I think is my understanding of this. I really
[2:02:13] Speaker 4: don't even know the right questions to ask about the
[2:02:15] Speaker 4: phenomena here. I kind of have to lean on other
[2:02:20] Speaker 4: people that are conduits for this kind of energy, you know,
[2:02:23] Speaker 4: I have to kind of host off of them with
[2:02:26] Speaker 4: their experiences. And this is something else that you see
[2:02:28] Speaker 4: when you get mixed up, and this is that individuals
[2:02:32] Speaker 4: have to link up with other individuals to have experiences.
[2:02:35] Speaker 4: They can't have them by themselves. It's almost like a
[2:02:37] Speaker 4: tuning fork and that's that's been my experience, is that
[2:02:42] Speaker 4: I can't garner these experiences by myself. I kind of
[2:02:46] Speaker 4: have to be in the proximity of them.
[2:02:49] Speaker 3: I think that we should reference the peoples who've had
[2:02:53] Speaker 3: the longest experience with them, which are indigenous peoples to
[2:02:57] Speaker 3: North America at least here in our part of the world.
[2:03:00] Speaker 3: World and Native Americans have very different ideas about Sasquatch,
[2:03:06] Speaker 3: and they have hundreds of names for this creature in
[2:03:10] Speaker 3: different languages. And those tribes didn't even talk to each
[2:03:13] Speaker 3: other back then. They couldn't even understand each other in
[2:03:15] Speaker 3: many cases, but they all had a word for sasquatch,
[2:03:19] Speaker 3: you know. And talking to some of these Native Americans,
[2:03:24] Speaker 3: I met someone in Forks, just like Toby was saying
[2:03:27] Speaker 3: his He said his grandfather traded with Sasquatch as recently
[2:03:33] Speaker 3: as nineteen thirteen. And it's just what Toby mentioned, salmon.
[2:03:38] Speaker 3: It was the grandfather was the salmon fisherman. They would
[2:03:40] Speaker 3: trade the Sasquatch for medicinal herbs. But other tribes, some
[2:03:47] Speaker 3: of them have a deep fear of these creatures. There are,
[2:03:51] Speaker 3: you know, lots of evidence for antagonistic relationships conflict. But
[2:03:59] Speaker 3: then other tribes described them as forest guardians and spirits,
[2:04:03] Speaker 3: but they all had respect for the Sasquatch. Whether they
[2:04:08] Speaker 3: felt that they were, you know, likable or not, it
[2:04:12] Speaker 3: was something they sort of had an awe. And this
[2:04:15] Speaker 3: fellow from the Spokane tribe described them to me as
[2:04:17] Speaker 3: sort of a distant tribe, like a far, very far
[2:04:22] Speaker 3: far off tribe related to them in a very distant way.
[2:04:25] Speaker 3: When I asked the Navajo at one of these Bigfoot
[2:04:29] Speaker 3: Adventure weekends out of the Sasquatch outpost in Bailey, I said,
[2:04:33] Speaker 3: how does Because I worked with the Navajo during college
[2:04:36] Speaker 3: for a summer down in Rema, New Mexico, one part
[2:04:39] Speaker 3: of the reservation, And I asked this fellow who was Navajo,
[2:04:44] Speaker 3: how do you translate it to Navajo just just recently
[2:04:46] Speaker 3: goes huge monster. It's related to the idea of the Yebiche,
[2:04:50] Speaker 3: but not quite as easy to deal with. So they
[2:04:56] Speaker 3: are these different ideas. But I think the main thing
[2:04:58] Speaker 3: that we can get from all of this is this
[2:05:00] Speaker 3: sense of respect that they have something to do here,
[2:05:02] Speaker 3: they belong here, and we should just you know, treat
[2:05:09] Speaker 3: them with a sense of kind of a distance respect.
[2:05:12] Speaker 3: But except that they're there, right.
[2:05:15] Speaker 1: Now, I want to ask one more thing that I'd
[2:05:17] Speaker 1: love you for you to touch on. Doctor Simeon Toby
[2:05:21] Speaker 1: was talking about experiments without evidence, that folks would have
[2:05:27] Speaker 1: experiences with these without having expectations of understanding what the
[2:05:32] Speaker 1: experience is about. Well, if you look at a lot
[2:05:35] Speaker 1: of what the scientific community is doing, especially around places
[2:05:40] Speaker 1: like skim Walker Ranch, if you've been watching the History
[2:05:43] Speaker 1: Channel show, if it seems that if it's approached in
[2:05:47] Speaker 1: a scientific manner, it responds in a very different way
[2:05:51] Speaker 1: than in approach in a very curious or spiritual manner
[2:05:56] Speaker 1: where you're just trying to have the experience and not
[2:05:58] Speaker 1: really understand what's happening. We're, on the other hand, with
[2:06:02] Speaker 1: the scientist. They have the ego, they want to know
[2:06:06] Speaker 1: everything about what's going on. What do you think is
[2:06:09] Speaker 1: happening there?
[2:06:10] Speaker 3: Now, that's a very interesting point because I mean science
[2:06:14] Speaker 3: bases itself, our idea of science based itself on repeatable
[2:06:17] Speaker 3: experms and so forth, and that leads to the idea
[2:06:20] Speaker 3: of collecting evidence, and this goes into the direction of
[2:06:23] Speaker 3: footprints and hair samples. Nothing wrong with that at all,
[2:06:27] Speaker 3: that's great, But it does seem that the people that
[2:06:30] Speaker 3: get the contact are often people who are not looking
[2:06:33] Speaker 3: for it, and it has a sort of a playful,
[2:06:39] Speaker 3: kind of teasing energy to it, And it doesn't fit
[2:06:44] Speaker 3: neatly into at least hard science ideas of evidence, because
[2:06:50] Speaker 3: what we're talking about are witness encounters. Now, to a
[2:06:52] Speaker 3: social scientist like myself, that's real. Witness encounters are real.
[2:06:56] Speaker 3: We believe that witnesses are telling us, for the most part,
[2:06:58] Speaker 3: what they experience, unless they're deliberately making it up. And
[2:07:02] Speaker 3: we don't believe that's happening with these thousands and thousands
[2:07:04] Speaker 3: and thousands of witnesses going back to the Vikings. You
[2:07:06] Speaker 3: don't think they're all making this up. So it goes
[2:07:10] Speaker 3: more in the realm of social science where we're attempting
[2:07:12] Speaker 3: to It has a kind of a soft side to it,
[2:07:15] Speaker 3: where we're dealing with people's experiences, and you can't just
[2:07:19] Speaker 3: discount that and say, well, it's not hard, it's not
[2:07:22] Speaker 3: something that's physically there. But I think Toad's right. The
[2:07:26] Speaker 3: people that seem to go out looking for something that's
[2:07:28] Speaker 3: physical proof never seemed to get it in the way
[2:07:31] Speaker 3: they want. It just seems to be casual people that
[2:07:34] Speaker 3: happen to be there at the time or people that
[2:07:36] Speaker 3: do engage in this interaction. Leaving gifting habituation as it's called.
[2:07:42] Speaker 3: It has some controversy to it, I mean, leaving jars
[2:07:45] Speaker 3: of peanut butter up in trees, but it is interesting
[2:07:48] Speaker 3: to see that something opened the jar, scooped out the
[2:07:51] Speaker 3: peanut butter, and then closed the lid. Again, I mean,
[2:07:54] Speaker 3: your normal bear can't do that, so you have to
[2:07:58] Speaker 3: have opposable thumbs. There's still I think, I would say
[2:08:01] Speaker 3: there are different types of evidence than we're used to
[2:08:03] Speaker 3: seeing in the art sciences, you know, chemistry and physics
[2:08:09] Speaker 3: and biology. But I mean, I think the evidence is there,
[2:08:11] Speaker 3: and when Toby's talking about EMF readings things like that,
[2:08:15] Speaker 3: that definitely goes in the direction of what can be
[2:08:18] Speaker 3: physically recorded. Certainly, people talking about their iPhones and car
[2:08:24] Speaker 3: batteries going dead right in and around sasquatch encounters is
[2:08:29] Speaker 3: evidence of anomalous electromagnetic effects, and that would be purely physical.
[2:08:34] Speaker 3: But again it's an overlapping subject matter, so yeah, it
[2:08:37] Speaker 3: requires a sort of a larger mindset to kind of
[2:08:41] Speaker 3: think about it.
[2:08:42] Speaker 1: Now before we close out Toby any plans on future
[2:08:46] Speaker 1: sasquatch explorations.
[2:08:50] Speaker 4: Oh, always, man always, you know, just going off of
[2:08:54] Speaker 4: what Simeon said that, you know, the way you find
[2:08:56] Speaker 4: these sasquatch locations here is based upon where these electronic
[2:09:00] Speaker 4: anomalies happen. So that's what I look for, you know,
[2:09:03] Speaker 4: That's what I'm looking for now. Ever since I've moved
[2:09:06] Speaker 4: away from the little town of Cottage Grove, Oregon, things
[2:09:09] Speaker 4: have kind of waned and there seems to be almost
[2:09:11] Speaker 4: a half life to this energy period. And you know,
[2:09:16] Speaker 4: if it wants to engage, when I go back in
[2:09:18] Speaker 4: the woods and engage back down here at the property
[2:09:21] Speaker 4: on our two acres, then most likely we'll be okay
[2:09:24] Speaker 4: with it. We generally are. But you know, we're just
[2:09:28] Speaker 4: out promoting the film. We'll be in Yakima, Washington and
[2:09:31] Speaker 4: the topin Ish Casino next week. I believe it's the
[2:09:35] Speaker 4: twenty eighth and twenty ninth with a bunch of Yakama
[2:09:39] Speaker 4: Native Americans premiering this film. So if people are out
[2:09:42] Speaker 4: that way and want to stop by, I'll have some
[2:09:44] Speaker 4: of my wood sculptures there. Brent and Jill will be
[2:09:48] Speaker 4: selling swag and we'll be talking Flash of Beauty non
[2:09:50] Speaker 4: stop for two days.
[2:09:52] Speaker 1: Excellent wonderful. The film's great. I'll have the link in
[2:09:54] Speaker 1: the description. Just let the audience know if they're interested,
[2:09:57] Speaker 1: where they can find the film. Also, doctor Simey, and
[2:10:00] Speaker 1: let them know where they can find your website, information
[2:10:03] Speaker 1: about yourself and all the good stuff.
[2:10:07] Speaker 4: Well, the film can be found as of now on Vimeo.
[2:10:10] Speaker 4: If you go to a Flash of Beauty on Facebook,
[2:10:13] Speaker 4: it will have a direct link. Also, we have a
[2:10:16] Speaker 4: Flash of Beauty YouTube channel with a podcast or where
[2:10:19] Speaker 4: we go in depth with the witnesses of Flash of
[2:10:22] Speaker 4: Beauty Bigfoot Reveal. I think there's twenty five episodes up
[2:10:25] Speaker 4: there right now, but in general, right now we are
[2:10:30] Speaker 4: available only on Vimeo. We're heading towards tub hopefully we'll
[2:10:34] Speaker 4: be heading to Amazon as well here in the later dates.
[2:10:38] Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent, Doctor Simeon. Where the can the audience find you?
[2:10:42] Speaker 3: Well? Well thanks? Note my blog is newcrystalmind dot com
[2:10:46] Speaker 3: and I'm happy to send people signed copies of any
[2:10:50] Speaker 3: of my books. Dark Matter, Monsters or Black Swangos are
[2:10:53] Speaker 3: opening minds. You know that all touch on these topics,
[2:10:57] Speaker 3: and you can find the link there and uh yeah, no,
[2:11:03] Speaker 3: it's a fascinating subject. It requires an open mind. It's
[2:11:07] Speaker 3: like your mind only functions like a parachute when it's open,
[2:11:10] Speaker 3: not too open, but open enough to be will this evidence.
[2:11:14] Speaker 3: It challenges all of us, the experiencers, people who hear
[2:11:18] Speaker 3: the story secondhand. But I think if we look at it,
[2:11:21] Speaker 3: we'll discover that reality was a lot. It's a lot richer,
[2:11:23] Speaker 3: it's a lot deeper than we thought it was.
[2:11:25] Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Gentlemen, thank you so much. I will
[2:11:28] Speaker 1: definitely love to speak again in the future. I'm sure
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