# FKN Classics Double Feature! Dr Tom Zinser - MPD Entities | Cory Hughes - Assassins & Spycraft

An episode of [Forbidden Knowledge News](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1470192028), 26 Aug 2026, 2 h 05 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Enjoy these back-to-back classic forbidden knowledge news episodes. Today I
[0:07] Speaker 1: want to welcome back to the show Dr. Tom Zinser.
[0:10] Speaker 1: He is a hypnotherapist, spiritual counselor, and author of the
[0:14] Speaker 1: Soul-Centered Healing Essay Series. He's currently retired from private practice.
[0:20] Speaker 1: He was a clinical psychologist specializing in hypnosis and the
[0:24] Speaker 1: treatment of dissociative disorders.
[0:27] Speaker 2: Dr.
[0:27] Speaker 1: Zinser, welcome back. How you doing?
[0:30] Speaker 2: I'm doing just fine, Chris, and thanks again for having me.
[0:35] Speaker 2: Ready to get into some questions of the universe, I guess.
[0:40] Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yes, definitely looking forward to it. I really
[0:43] Speaker 1: enjoyed our last discussion, and it was quite a while ago.
[0:47] Speaker 1: So today I want to revisit some of your sessions
[0:50] Speaker 1: with Catherine and Jared and further explore some of the
[0:54] Speaker 1: incredible insights and information gained from those sessions and such
[0:58] Speaker 1: as new understandings of dissociative identity disorder, as well as
[1:03] Speaker 1: how the spirit realms intersect our reality and the powers
[1:08] Speaker 1: of consciousness and its connections to the spiritual and even
[1:13] Speaker 1: possibly what we might consider non-human intelligences. But we'll get
[1:17] Speaker 1: to that if we can. So first, it's been a
[1:20] Speaker 1: little while. Remind the audience just a little bit about
[1:23] Speaker 1: yourself and your work and what brought you down your path.
[1:28] Speaker 2: Well, I was a psychologist in the late 1970s, and
[1:35] Speaker 2: I did hypnotherapy, worked with clients who had been traumatized,
[1:40] Speaker 2: and basically what we call dissociative disorders, where parts of
[1:45] Speaker 2: themselves kind of split off with the trauma and kind
[1:49] Speaker 2: of hold it inside. And in 1987... a woman who
[1:57] Speaker 2: worked in our office, the bookkeeper, Catherine, wanted to know
[2:03] Speaker 2: if I would like to have a session with a
[2:05] Speaker 2: spirit guide named Jared. And I'd never had anything like that.
[2:11] Speaker 2: I agreed to it. And, of course, with Jared in
[2:14] Speaker 2: the first session, I basically asked questions about my work.
[2:21] Speaker 2: And Jared began to tell me information that... of what
[2:26] Speaker 2: I would only say he perceived as psychic levels, as
[2:32] Speaker 2: spirit levels, and he could read my client's soul in
[2:38] Speaker 2: the present. This is what I found out over a
[2:41] Speaker 2: few months. So Jared and Catherine and I agreed to
[2:47] Speaker 2: form a collaboration so that in my work with clients,
[2:52] Speaker 2: I would involve Jared and his information on a weekly basis.
[2:58] Speaker 2: So I went back and forth between Jared and my
[3:01] Speaker 2: clients for 15 years. And in that time, a kind
[3:05] Speaker 2: of picture of the inner world and of the spirit
[3:09] Speaker 2: world began to kind of come into focus. So for
[3:16] Speaker 2: all those years, it basically was an exploration, an investigation
[3:21] Speaker 2: of healing at the psychic spiritual levels using hypnosis, communicating
[3:28] Speaker 2: with parts of the self, communicating with entities that were
[3:32] Speaker 2: from outside the self. And the healing work really was
[3:37] Speaker 2: always aimed at clearing blocks and bringing in the light
[3:42] Speaker 2: love energy of one's own soul and of the divine.
[3:48] Speaker 2: That was basically the ultimate goal all the time, bring
[3:52] Speaker 2: in more light, release pain, become clear, confident, centered with yourself.
[4:01] Speaker 2: So in a nutshell, that's.
[4:05] Speaker 3: Excellent.
[4:06] Speaker 2: Yes.
[4:06] Speaker 1: Now, as far as your understanding of Jared and who
[4:11] Speaker 1: or what this entity was, did you find out that
[4:16] Speaker 1: this was at one time a human that was incarnated
[4:20] Speaker 1: physically on this earth?
[4:23] Speaker 2: Very early, Jared told me that he was a spirit guide.
[4:28] Speaker 2: He was a soul, just as we are all souls.
[4:31] Speaker 2: That he was created as a guide from the beginning
[4:36] Speaker 2: and had never lived an incarnated life. But he did
[4:41] Speaker 2: let me know that there were a couple times he
[4:44] Speaker 2: manifested a physical body just in order to have the experience.
[4:50] Speaker 2: That's not living a lifetime, though, is that? uh, very
[4:54] Speaker 2: temporary state. Uh, so right from the beginning, he has
[4:59] Speaker 2: been a guide.
[5:03] Speaker 1: Now, is it always some sort of significant trauma that
[5:09] Speaker 1: would trigger something like this dissociative disorders?
[5:14] Speaker 2: Well, I would say first dissociative disorders have to be
[5:18] Speaker 2: understood in terms of a spectrum. Um, And the term
[5:24] Speaker 2: that I would use most frequently is subpersonalities. Now, sometimes
[5:31] Speaker 2: they're called ego states, which I first learned about. That's
[5:34] Speaker 2: the term I used. And in those clients suffering from
[5:41] Speaker 2: dissociative identity disorder, they have been called alter personalities. And
[5:47] Speaker 2: I'm going to use the term subpersonality for all of those.
[5:52] Speaker 2: but there are different degrees. And what happens is, this
[5:58] Speaker 2: is most often children and adolescents, because their ego identity,
[6:05] Speaker 2: their ego defenses are not as well formed yet. But
[6:09] Speaker 2: especially in childhood and adolescence, when there is trauma, and
[6:15] Speaker 2: in this case, it means when the conscious self can
[6:20] Speaker 2: no longer tolerate what is happening. Basically, they're having to
[6:25] Speaker 2: just get out. There is a part of the mind
[6:32] Speaker 2: I call the protective part of the mind. I think
[6:36] Speaker 2: we may have talked about it last time, but we
[6:39] Speaker 2: all have this protective part. And here's one of the
[6:43] Speaker 2: difficult things with our present-day science and psychology. This protective
[6:48] Speaker 2: part It is an active consciousness, but it is separate
[6:53] Speaker 2: from our conscious self. And this protective part is always,
[6:58] Speaker 2: always aware. And its first order of business is to
[7:03] Speaker 2: protect the body, survival. But I look at the protective
[7:08] Speaker 2: part as a kind of evolved survival instinct in the
[7:13] Speaker 2: sense that it has developed psychological, emotional layers. So it will,
[7:22] Speaker 2: whenever the self is under threat and overwhelmed, the protective
[7:26] Speaker 2: part can trigger the creation of a subpersonality to take
[7:33] Speaker 2: over in that moment and do whatever it can do
[7:37] Speaker 2: to get the self safe. Once that's happened, and this
[7:43] Speaker 2: conscious self can come back to awareness, it's safe to
[7:46] Speaker 2: come back, that subpersonality will move to the unconscious level.
[7:53] Speaker 2: And it needs to be understood that this is a
[7:58] Speaker 2: conscious psychic being. It has a level of intelligence. It
[8:03] Speaker 2: can communicate. And it is still alive within the reality
[8:10] Speaker 2: in which it was created. So it's a very slim reality,
[8:14] Speaker 2: but it is a conscious being. And in soul-centered healing,
[8:20] Speaker 2: the first objective is to identify sub-personalities that have been
[8:27] Speaker 2: operating at an unconscious level and getting triggered in the
[8:31] Speaker 2: person's life. And often a person doesn't know why this
[8:37] Speaker 2: is happening, why they're feeling what they're feeling or why
[8:40] Speaker 2: they're thinking these things or why they're reacting is often
[8:44] Speaker 2: because a subpersonality has been triggered and is reacting just
[8:50] Speaker 2: like it did when it was first created. So that's
[8:55] Speaker 2: kind of a sketch. We all have subpersonalities created. Go ahead.
[9:04] Speaker 1: As far as this protective part of the mind goes,
[9:07] Speaker 1: and even what you would consider spirit guides, is this
[9:10] Speaker 1: something that we are initially incarnated into this reality connected with?
[9:19] Speaker 2: As Jared explained to me, the protective part is a
[9:23] Speaker 2: part of the physical body. When the body dies, that
[9:26] Speaker 2: protective part will also dissolve. And I should bring in
[9:32] Speaker 2: here I'm sure we talked about this, and that is
[9:36] Speaker 2: the higher self. And the higher self is that part
[9:41] Speaker 2: of us that is part of the soul, as Jared
[9:46] Speaker 2: describes it. It's as if the soul projects a piece
[9:51] Speaker 2: of itself into the person's present incarnation. So when we
[9:56] Speaker 2: are born, that higher self has been created. and brought
[10:01] Speaker 2: forward from the soul. So that is a part of
[10:05] Speaker 2: the self which is also a separate consciousness. It's a
[10:10] Speaker 2: high-level consciousness. It has a great deal of information. It
[10:16] Speaker 2: is a constant connection to our own soul light. And
[10:22] Speaker 2: it also has the ability to move into the soul
[10:27] Speaker 2: to get information that may be needed in our healing work.
[10:32] Speaker 2: So you have the protective part. It's part of the body.
[10:36] Speaker 2: The higher self is not part of the body. The
[10:39] Speaker 2: higher self will continue on with the soul, with ourselves,
[10:45] Speaker 2: when we leave the body. So that's two different kinds
[10:49] Speaker 2: of consciousness operating along with our conscious self. And then
[10:56] Speaker 2: you have the subpersonalities. They too, as I said, are
[11:00] Speaker 2: conscious and aware, but living in a very narrow reality
[11:07] Speaker 2: until we make the contact. I had an elderly client
[11:13] Speaker 2: once who... I forget the exact issue we were dealing with,
[11:18] Speaker 2: but what I found with her in the hypnosis were
[11:23] Speaker 2: a group of subpersonalities who shared with me that they
[11:28] Speaker 2: were camping. They were in a camp out in the forest,
[11:32] Speaker 2: had their own little camp. And again, this is because
[11:37] Speaker 2: their consciousness created this. This is where they were living.
[11:41] Speaker 2: And it's as if my voice broke into that world
[11:45] Speaker 2: of of their campground. And that's when I began to
[11:49] Speaker 2: talk to them. And they weren't quite sure who I
[11:53] Speaker 2: was when I first announced myself. So in the healing work,
[11:58] Speaker 2: we're entering into these realities with the subpersonalities. What we
[12:05] Speaker 2: want to do is let them know that they can
[12:08] Speaker 2: have light love energy for themselves right now, right as
[12:13] Speaker 2: I'm talking to them, And if they agree to it,
[12:17] Speaker 2: the higher self can bring them that light love energy
[12:20] Speaker 2: right now. And once they receive that, they receive a
[12:25] Speaker 2: greater understanding about healing. They feel this love and light
[12:32] Speaker 2: energy and they let me know. And I would say
[12:36] Speaker 2: this is 90.8% of the time. They do not want
[12:41] Speaker 2: to be without that light love energy once they have
[12:44] Speaker 2: felt it. So when they have, it's much easier for
[12:51] Speaker 2: them to share that trauma that they're carrying inside. And
[12:55] Speaker 2: when they share that to the conscious mind, it's as
[13:00] Speaker 2: if that pain energy has now gone full circuit and
[13:03] Speaker 2: that subpersonality can release that pain, fear, hurt, anger, whatever,
[13:09] Speaker 2: It's caring and it can move to a place of
[13:14] Speaker 2: integration within the self. So that's a real thumbnail sketch. Yeah.
[13:21] Speaker 1: Now, to what extent do you believe that these sub
[13:24] Speaker 1: personalities are conscious and even aware of themselves? Do you
[13:30] Speaker 1: believe that they are that they believe they're living a
[13:33] Speaker 1: full life? human incarnation here, or do you, do, are
[13:38] Speaker 1: they aware that they are in a way sub personalities?
[13:41] Speaker 1: How does that work?
[13:43] Speaker 2: Uh, most of them are not aware. They're not aware
[13:47] Speaker 2: of themselves as individuals. They're not aware of present reality.
[13:54] Speaker 2: It's as if they are living in an eternal present. Um,
[13:59] Speaker 2: if a child, for example, um, a parent got extremely
[14:05] Speaker 2: angry at them and really kind of emotionally attacked them,
[14:11] Speaker 2: they may be overwhelmed and a personality created to take
[14:15] Speaker 2: over right then. That sub personality is going to live
[14:20] Speaker 2: in that moment. That's what its world is. And in
[14:26] Speaker 2: the future, if somebody gets really angry at the person,
[14:30] Speaker 2: that sub personality may be triggered Because it has felt that.
[14:35] Speaker 2: It has gone through that. And so now it's being
[14:38] Speaker 2: triggered and it's reacting again. It is not aware. It
[14:44] Speaker 2: does not live a lifetime. It's living in that kind
[14:48] Speaker 2: of present moment to itself until it is able to
[14:53] Speaker 2: share and release and move out of that. It can
[14:56] Speaker 2: move out of that moment. But they're not creative. As
[15:01] Speaker 2: Jared has said to me, these are not creative beings.
[15:05] Speaker 2: They also do not realize they have choice. Again, living
[15:13] Speaker 2: in this eternal present, they're not thinking and active and
[15:17] Speaker 2: living like we think about. But they don't understand that
[15:22] Speaker 2: they have choice. They do not understand the power of
[15:25] Speaker 2: their own consciousness. But when we make contact with them,
[15:31] Speaker 2: and they receive light, they begin to, in a sense,
[15:35] Speaker 2: awaken more to who they are and the choices they
[15:39] Speaker 2: have to receive light, to be released, to integrate into
[15:45] Speaker 2: a comfortable, light-filled place within the self. They don't know
[15:50] Speaker 2: that until we come and let them know.
[15:55] Speaker 1: Now, is it possible that a subpersonality can be triggered
[16:01] Speaker 1: by illicit substance use, drugs, something other than what you
[16:06] Speaker 1: would consider traditional trauma or even dark occult practices.
[16:12] Speaker 2: Well, dark occult practices, you're going to be talking about trauma.
[16:19] Speaker 2: As far as others, what I would say, Chris, is
[16:29] Speaker 2: We can't define trauma from the outside. Trauma is the
[16:34] Speaker 2: experience of the individual. You can have a kid trip
[16:38] Speaker 2: on the steps, kind of hit their head, but somehow
[16:43] Speaker 2: be so terrified about what happened, it can create a subpersonality.
[16:48] Speaker 2: Another kid trips, hits the step, and it's all right.
[16:52] Speaker 2: He's up, and for one, it's a trauma. For another,
[16:56] Speaker 2: it isn't. So when we talk about somebody taking drugs,
[17:00] Speaker 2: for example, talking to an older person, 18, 20 years old,
[17:07] Speaker 2: if they take a psychedelic, for example, a mind-altering drug,
[17:13] Speaker 2: it can create an experience that is so confusing, so frightening,
[17:21] Speaker 2: upsetting to the person that it is traumatic. And there
[17:26] Speaker 2: may be a dissociation and another part will take over
[17:29] Speaker 2: at that moment, again, doing what it can to resolve
[17:35] Speaker 2: the problem. So, to answer your question more technically, people can,
[17:49] Speaker 2: I believe, create these subpersonalities intentionally. with their own energy
[17:55] Speaker 2: and consciousness. But that's kind of getting into a different area.
[18:00] Speaker 2: It's an important one. In the Eastern tradition, they have
[18:07] Speaker 2: entities called tulpas. These tulpas are created by the person's consciousness,
[18:14] Speaker 2: and they are believed to be, and I think it's true,
[18:18] Speaker 2: they are separate psychic beings. So it's not like this
[18:24] Speaker 2: is new.
[18:25] Speaker 1: Something you would also call an egregore?
[18:27] Speaker 2: You know, that's a good question.
[18:33] Speaker 1: Because I've heard that these are also similar to tulpas
[18:36] Speaker 1: or probably the same things. If we give something enough
[18:40] Speaker 1: thought and energy or fear that it can manifest in
[18:45] Speaker 1: our consciousness as something that is very real for us
[18:48] Speaker 1: and affects our lives in physical ways at times. Hold on, Dr.
[19:03] Speaker 1: I can't hear you. I don't know what happened there.
[19:08] Speaker 2: I'm registering here that the mic's on. Can you hear
[19:15] Speaker 2: me now?
[19:15] Speaker 1: Yes, I can hear you now.
[19:16] Speaker 3: Okay.
[19:18] Speaker 2: Okay. Chris, I would have to look at this more closely.
[19:25] Speaker 2: An egregore, as far as I understand, is like a
[19:29] Speaker 2: collective energy.
[19:31] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
[19:32] Speaker 2: Where a group of people in their thought, their thought
[19:36] Speaker 2: energy and collective energy form this kind of almost a separate, limited,
[19:44] Speaker 2: but a consciousness and a kind of collective energy. I
[19:48] Speaker 2: haven't read. egregore applied to just an individual creation, an
[19:55] Speaker 2: individual's creation. But certainly there are things like thought forms.
[20:01] Speaker 2: And a person can create thought forms that continue to
[20:05] Speaker 2: affect them. But thought forms can also be injected from
[20:11] Speaker 2: the outside. And a person may, as they're growing up,
[20:16] Speaker 2: there may be certain thought forms that kind of take
[20:20] Speaker 2: root and may continue to affect them. This would be
[20:24] Speaker 2: something so that can be discovered in the hypnosis. Um,
[20:29] Speaker 2: if we ask about a particular issue and it involves
[20:32] Speaker 2: a thought form, higher self can usually identify that it
[20:37] Speaker 2: is a thought form that's, uh, active here.
[20:41] Speaker 1: Now is do you also run into things like spirit
[20:45] Speaker 1: attachments and how can you tell the difference if there
[20:50] Speaker 1: is one.
[20:53] Speaker 2: Um i run into spirit attachment all the time and
[20:58] Speaker 2: i would say it this way there are spirit attachments
[21:05] Speaker 2: and there are spirit intrusions And spirit attachment is, in
[21:13] Speaker 2: a sense, they don't enter into your energy, but they
[21:17] Speaker 2: interact with you and they can stay attached and interact
[21:21] Speaker 2: at that psychic level. There are other entities who actually
[21:26] Speaker 2: enter into your soul level energy. And in that sense,
[21:31] Speaker 2: they are operating from within your energy. When you're working
[21:37] Speaker 2: with someone, And there is a spirit or spirits, plural, involved.
[21:44] Speaker 2: Higher self is the one. For example, somebody says they
[21:48] Speaker 2: have this problem. They got these voices. They are constantly
[21:52] Speaker 2: berating them. And they don't know how to stop these voices.
[21:57] Speaker 2: I would ask higher self, please look inside and find
[22:04] Speaker 2: the source of these voices for Joe Smith. And first finger,
[22:10] Speaker 2: higher self, let me know when you have found that cause.
[22:13] Speaker 2: Higher self lets me know it has found that. I
[22:17] Speaker 2: will bring that one forward and communicate with them. And
[22:21] Speaker 2: I will ask them, do you know that you are
[22:23] Speaker 2: part of this self and soul that I'm working with?
[22:28] Speaker 2: And they may say no. I'll ask higher self whether
[22:32] Speaker 2: this one I'm talking to is separate from the self soul,
[22:36] Speaker 2: from the client. So there is a process of identifying
[22:40] Speaker 2: who we're working with. Is this a part of my client?
[22:45] Speaker 2: And it's one of these subpersonalities that affects them? Or
[22:50] Speaker 2: has there been outside interference going on here? Or both?
[22:57] Speaker 2: Because these subpersonalities are one of the primary vulnerabilities to
[23:05] Speaker 2: outside interference. These spirits will usually attach or enter a
[23:14] Speaker 2: person at the point of a subpersonality that the spirit
[23:21] Speaker 2: can be aware of an issue. One example I use
[23:31] Speaker 2: often is Jared. I was working with a man probably
[23:35] Speaker 2: in his 50s. who identified a 12-year-old angry subpersonality.
[23:42] Speaker 3: And he.
[23:44] Speaker 2: Was blocked from the light, couldn't receive the light. I
[23:48] Speaker 2: finally would ask Jared about it. And Jared said the
[23:52] Speaker 2: problem was that this 12-year-old was carrying a pocket knife
[23:58] Speaker 2: in his pocket. And that as long as he had
[24:01] Speaker 2: that pocket knife, he was going to be blocking the
[24:05] Speaker 2: light because the pocket knife had been given to him
[24:09] Speaker 2: by an outside dark spirit. And when this boy accepted
[24:15] Speaker 2: the knife with the idea that it would be protection
[24:19] Speaker 2: for him, but he accepted that knife, he was bringing
[24:24] Speaker 2: in that spirit's energy device. And as long as he
[24:29] Speaker 2: held that device in his pocket, that spirit had an
[24:34] Speaker 2: access to him and through him, maybe to other levels
[24:39] Speaker 2: of the self. So these kind of devices are typical,
[24:47] Speaker 2: but they also can, these spirits can access the person,
[24:52] Speaker 2: especially through the subpersonality's emotion. You have a subpersonality who
[24:59] Speaker 2: is enraged angry, maybe had been abused, and when it
[25:04] Speaker 2: was created, it was enraged. An outside spirit may use
[25:08] Speaker 2: that rage to enter, to use it as a doorway
[25:13] Speaker 2: and enter into that, kind of by connecting to that
[25:18] Speaker 2: anger energy. So we got both going on, parts of
[25:21] Speaker 2: the self, entities that are separate from the self, and
[25:27] Speaker 2: outside entities are a whole range of different kind of beings.
[25:32] Speaker 1: Now, I want to get to that in a minute,
[25:33] Speaker 1: but first you were saying that your mediator for even
[25:39] Speaker 1: the subpersonalities as well as non-human entities is always the
[25:43] Speaker 1: higher self. You're always asking the higher self to mediate
[25:46] Speaker 1: and identify these things.
[25:50] Speaker 2: I would say most of the time. I may be
[25:54] Speaker 2: working with a subpersonality who's quite frightened, and that subpersonality
[25:58] Speaker 2: is will tell me that there's somebody else in the
[26:00] Speaker 2: room with him. And so I'll ask higher self to
[26:04] Speaker 2: take a look, see if higher self can find that one.
[26:07] Speaker 2: So I get information. So I would say most of
[26:10] Speaker 2: the time, either I'm using higher self to identify who
[26:14] Speaker 2: and what I'm dealing with, or I identify somebody and
[26:19] Speaker 2: I'm asking higher self to confirm for me what I'm learning.
[26:24] Speaker 2: So one way or the other, higher self, is usually
[26:28] Speaker 2: right there.
[26:30] Speaker 1: Now, could you possibly give some examples of instances where
[26:35] Speaker 1: you were dealing with something that was not necessarily a
[26:39] Speaker 1: part of that human consciousness, but had expressed itself in
[26:44] Speaker 1: a way that you were able to find out that
[26:47] Speaker 1: it was indeed a non-human? And maybe some examples of
[26:51] Speaker 1: some experiences like that.
[26:56] Speaker 2: Well, first I'll tell you the kinds of entities run
[27:00] Speaker 2: the gamut. Most of what I would talk about are
[27:05] Speaker 2: separate souls and they can be either spirits, maybe off
[27:13] Speaker 2: planet beings, dimensional beings, created entities. So you've got a
[27:19] Speaker 2: lot that you have to identify. But I worked with
[27:24] Speaker 2: a woman once where over a number of sessions in
[27:31] Speaker 2: her dreams, but also in my work with her, we
[27:35] Speaker 2: had this character continue to show up. Excuse me. She
[27:41] Speaker 2: would describe him and how he was dressed and basically
[27:46] Speaker 2: came to call him the gray man. And this gray
[27:50] Speaker 2: man was showing up so often that I at first
[27:56] Speaker 2: thought he was a sub personality. And finally, he showed
[28:01] Speaker 2: up so often in different situations that I found out
[28:05] Speaker 2: working with higher self that he was a spirit. And
[28:10] Speaker 2: he was a spirit who had not gone to the
[28:13] Speaker 2: light when his body died. And he was a spirit
[28:18] Speaker 2: who also his soul was had shared a number of
[28:22] Speaker 2: lifetimes with my client. And so he recognized her soul,
[28:28] Speaker 2: and he, in a sense, formed this ongoing interaction with her.
[28:36] Speaker 2: And so he became known to us as the gray man,
[28:39] Speaker 2: and I had to work with him to finally help
[28:43] Speaker 2: him to receive light, help him know it would be
[28:46] Speaker 2: safe for him to go to the light now. And
[28:50] Speaker 2: he finally did. There's spirits like that you may find
[28:58] Speaker 2: when you're working with subpersonalities, they continue to block your work.
[29:04] Speaker 2: So when you identify them, it's not like you give
[29:08] Speaker 2: them a name. They often, many take human form because
[29:14] Speaker 2: they've had a human experience. Some do not take human form.
[29:20] Speaker 2: Some can take an animal form or creature form. Some
[29:25] Speaker 2: may be only a voice that the subpersonality hears. So
[29:31] Speaker 2: I don't get kind of these detailed descriptions. But once
[29:36] Speaker 2: I communicate, once I can establish communication with them, what
[29:42] Speaker 2: I developed are the protocols on how to communicate to
[29:46] Speaker 2: these beings to make it safe for them to receive
[29:50] Speaker 2: the light, to look inside and reconnect with their own
[29:53] Speaker 2: light if they're a soul, and this whole issue that
[29:58] Speaker 2: they can go to the light if they choose to.
[30:04] Speaker 2: And if they have scares about that, some of them do.
[30:08] Speaker 2: They're often angry at God or afraid of judgment or
[30:11] Speaker 2: they're too ashamed. I can let them know that there
[30:15] Speaker 2: are high-level guides in the light who are willing to
[30:20] Speaker 2: step forward and communicate with them more information and knowledge
[30:25] Speaker 2: about what's happened to them and about the place of
[30:29] Speaker 2: light waiting for them. And once we get to that point,
[30:34] Speaker 2: they're usually ready to go. Sometimes they leave and go
[30:38] Speaker 2: to the light before I'm even done with my spiel.
[30:41] Speaker 1: Now, this objective to go towards the light, this is
[30:47] Speaker 1: across the board. It works with any type of entity
[30:50] Speaker 1: that you come across?
[30:54] Speaker 2: It doesn't. It works with spirit beings, any spirit being.
[31:06] Speaker 2: There are spirits that try to stay close to Earth
[31:09] Speaker 2: because they're afraid when they die, so the spirit doesn't
[31:12] Speaker 2: go to the light. There are other spirits who don't
[31:16] Speaker 2: want to go to the light, and they're kind of sophisticated.
[31:19] Speaker 2: They can travel around. And then there are dark spirits. So, again,
[31:24] Speaker 2: there's all kinds that might come into play. Then you
[31:28] Speaker 2: have off-planet beings and you have dimensional beings who, it's
[31:36] Speaker 2: difficult with our language, but I consider them to be incarnate.
[31:40] Speaker 2: They are not ready to go to the light and
[31:43] Speaker 2: dwell there like a spirit and in a sense maybe
[31:47] Speaker 2: prepare for reincarnation. But when I'm communicating with these beings,
[31:54] Speaker 2: they can't receive contact from the light and from guides.
[32:00] Speaker 2: And so I do the same thing with them, kind
[32:05] Speaker 2: of negotiate contact with the higher level guides so that
[32:09] Speaker 2: they understand the situation. And when they understand the situation,
[32:15] Speaker 2: that they are intruding on my client, that they're interfering,
[32:19] Speaker 2: that this is not something my client's soul is in
[32:23] Speaker 2: agreement with at this point. Once they understand that, they
[32:28] Speaker 2: are usually and voluntarily will leave my client. Now, I've
[32:34] Speaker 2: had a few clients who did not want to break
[32:37] Speaker 2: that contact and wanted to continue carrying on in those relationships,
[32:43] Speaker 2: in which case that's what we do. It's the client's choice.
[32:50] Speaker 2: Most of the time, I would say it's going to
[32:53] Speaker 2: be an interference, but There are positive situations.
[32:59] Speaker 1: Now, I'd love to get some examples of the different
[33:01] Speaker 1: types of entities, like you said, extraterrestrial or dimensional, that
[33:07] Speaker 1: you may have encountered.
[33:18] Speaker 2: Chris, when I started, and I, through Jared, learned about
[33:24] Speaker 2: a spirit and worked with the spirit and Jared again
[33:28] Speaker 2: was teaching me how to deal with them. In the first,
[33:32] Speaker 2: I would say, six, nine months when I made contact
[33:38] Speaker 2: with some separate entities, my idea was I am going
[33:43] Speaker 2: to be able to categorize these entities. So I might
[33:47] Speaker 2: be able to come up with there are three extraterrestrial species,
[33:52] Speaker 2: there are these kinds of dimensional beings and that's within
[34:00] Speaker 2: a few years, it was clear to me that there
[34:03] Speaker 2: were more species and more beings than I was ever
[34:08] Speaker 2: going to categorize. The second part of this is when
[34:14] Speaker 2: I worked with these beings in hypnosis with the clients,
[34:20] Speaker 2: the goal was healing and treatment. It was not exploration
[34:27] Speaker 2: and investigation. So when I dealt with these beings, there
[34:33] Speaker 2: were not questions on my part about who are you,
[34:36] Speaker 2: how do you live, what's your existence like, how many
[34:39] Speaker 2: are there, the whole bit. That was not the purpose
[34:43] Speaker 2: of my work. So there were too many to categorize.
[34:48] Speaker 2: And my concern was that my client be cleared of
[34:52] Speaker 2: this interference. So my working with these beings was almost
[34:57] Speaker 2: always a kind of one-to-one situation with the client and
[35:01] Speaker 2: exactly who the interruption or interference was. The next client
[35:06] Speaker 2: may be a whole different story.
[35:08] Speaker 1: Now, were you ever able to decipher the purposes that
[35:14] Speaker 1: interdimensional or extraterrestrial beings were attaching or inhabiting the soul
[35:21] Speaker 1: of a human?
[35:26] Speaker 2: There were a number of agendas going on depending on
[35:29] Speaker 2: who the beings were. What I will call off-planet beings,
[35:38] Speaker 2: or we would call extraterrestrial, and that does not take
[35:42] Speaker 2: in all the territory. There were agendas like observing humans
[35:50] Speaker 2: over long periods of time through families. and collecting data,
[35:58] Speaker 2: learning about humans. There were other beings who were carrying
[36:04] Speaker 2: out hybrid experiments where you hear of humans being abducted,
[36:10] Speaker 2: and they will describe what seems to them that they
[36:14] Speaker 2: were on like a surgical table or had procedures being done.
[36:20] Speaker 2: These turn out often to be hybrid situations where a
[36:25] Speaker 2: sperm or egg is taken and a hybrid being is
[36:29] Speaker 2: created and incubated over time. There are agendas where these
[36:42] Speaker 2: beings will follow a soul through lifetimes. For example, a
[36:52] Speaker 2: client may have had an experience with one of these
[36:57] Speaker 2: beings in a lifetime 300 years ago. When this person,
[37:04] Speaker 2: my client, is approached by these beings, that experience that
[37:09] Speaker 2: they hold within their soul, my client, that's the part
[37:13] Speaker 2: that starts to respond to these beings. And I probably
[37:20] Speaker 2: should bring in here These entities, any of them, they
[37:27] Speaker 2: are not free just to intrude and invade the soul.
[37:34] Speaker 2: They have to have some kind of permission. And the
[37:42] Speaker 2: issue is there are what Jared called backdoor permissions. So
[37:51] Speaker 2: for the example I gave about the spirit who was
[37:54] Speaker 2: going to help this little 12-year-old by giving him a knife,
[37:58] Speaker 2: but also then gaining access, this is an agreement. That
[38:06] Speaker 2: child took the knife. Didn't know he was making an agreement,
[38:10] Speaker 2: didn't know who this being was, what it was about,
[38:13] Speaker 2: but he accepted the knife. And the spirit will take
[38:16] Speaker 2: that as an agreement and then instigate this connection. So
[38:25] Speaker 2: this kind of permission is necessary. So when I talk
[38:30] Speaker 2: about these, say an extraterrestrial group making contact with a
[38:35] Speaker 2: client and they will connect with that part that's 300
[38:40] Speaker 2: years ago in the soul, that was a permission and
[38:45] Speaker 2: now they're contacting it in the client's present life And
[38:49] Speaker 2: that permission still stands. So when we work with a
[38:54] Speaker 2: person in healing and we terminate these connections within the
[39:00] Speaker 2: self soul of the client, we also work with higher
[39:04] Speaker 2: self to identify any accesses that these beings have used
[39:11] Speaker 2: to make that contact. So whether it's in this lifetime,
[39:16] Speaker 2: whether it's a past lifetime, Higher self will help find
[39:19] Speaker 2: the access so we not only help remove these beings,
[39:24] Speaker 2: we also close any doors that have been left open.
[39:29] Speaker 1: Have you experienced any instances where it was a purely
[39:34] Speaker 1: of a benevolent nature that these spirits were attached are
[39:41] Speaker 1: part of a sub personality?
[39:46] Speaker 2: I would say I've run into a number of spirits,
[39:51] Speaker 2: even extraterrestrial, who were well-intentioned. They did not mean harm.
[40:01] Speaker 2: They were either about their agenda or there were some
[40:05] Speaker 2: lower level kind of spirits who were trying to help
[40:10] Speaker 2: a client. So there is that. But in those cases
[40:15] Speaker 2: as well, those beings usually do not understand the effect
[40:23] Speaker 2: their connection or inhabitation with my client is having on
[40:29] Speaker 2: the client. So when I'm communicating with them, I help
[40:33] Speaker 2: to make it clear to them that they are creating difficulties.
[40:38] Speaker 1: So you would say even the most benevolent type of
[40:41] Speaker 1: spirit attachment is or entity that is attached to your
[40:45] Speaker 1: soul in some way could be a hindrance or a problem.
[40:51] Speaker 2: Very early on, Chris, Jared said to me that these
[40:57] Speaker 2: connections by extraterrestrials, by dimensional beings, he did not see
[41:05] Speaker 2: them as a positive development. And again, he was not
[41:10] Speaker 2: saying they were evil. Not all of them.
[41:12] Speaker 1: Some are.
[41:14] Speaker 2: And that they, again, were meaning harm. But Jared said
[41:18] Speaker 2: his view was that they were an interruption or an
[41:24] Speaker 2: interference with my client's soul blueprint for this lifetime. Now,
[41:31] Speaker 2: I would qualify it by saying there are people who,
[41:37] Speaker 2: before incarnation, have made agreements to have these experiences once
[41:44] Speaker 2: they incarnate. And often it may be to help resolve
[41:49] Speaker 2: issues that the soul has been caring about these contacts
[41:53] Speaker 2: or these connections. So I don't want to make this
[41:57] Speaker 2: kind of an absolute statement. There can be plans to
[42:04] Speaker 2: have these kind of engagements in one's lifetime. But usually,
[42:09] Speaker 2: Jared was saying, they're not positive. They can throw the person,
[42:14] Speaker 2: in a sense, off track.
[42:17] Speaker 1: Now, have you had... Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.
[42:21] Speaker 2: No, go ahead, go ahead.
[42:22] Speaker 1: I was going to ask if you have had any
[42:24] Speaker 1: instances where you absolutely could not convince the subpersonality or
[42:31] Speaker 1: even spirit to vacate or leave the person where it
[42:36] Speaker 1: just flat out refused?
[42:40] Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, subpersonality, we do not want that
[42:43] Speaker 2: to leave the person.
[42:44] Speaker 1: Okay.
[42:46] Speaker 2: It will integrate with that conscious self. And, you know,
[42:52] Speaker 2: we've not talked about past life subpersonality shit. But these,
[42:58] Speaker 2: to your question, Yes, I've had a number of very
[43:02] Speaker 2: dark spirits who refused and continue to refuse, wanting to
[43:11] Speaker 2: carry this fight on right down to the end that
[43:15] Speaker 2: they were not going to leave. And in that case,
[43:23] Speaker 2: I will usually, you know, you make the contact with
[43:26] Speaker 2: the higher self, which is the light. I will make
[43:29] Speaker 2: contact with the client's higher level guides who are from
[43:34] Speaker 2: the light. And I know that my client is the
[43:38] Speaker 2: one with the final choice here. That is a tremendous
[43:42] Speaker 2: power to be aware of. So in that sense, I
[43:46] Speaker 2: know these beings are going to leave one way or
[43:48] Speaker 2: another once my client at that deep level makes the
[43:53] Speaker 2: choice for them to be gone. In this case, it
[43:57] Speaker 2: might be finding a past life sub personality who's been
[44:01] Speaker 2: kind of hoodwinked into this. I will help them to
[44:05] Speaker 2: understand what's happened and get them to the point where
[44:09] Speaker 2: they make the choice that they want to end this connection.
[44:15] Speaker 2: So whenever there's one of these or more than one,
[44:18] Speaker 2: a group that are refusing to vacate, uh, We will
[44:24] Speaker 2: press it to find accesses, and we will press it
[44:28] Speaker 2: to find out who's given the permission, usually unconsciously, and
[44:35] Speaker 2: have them make a new choice. Once those accesses are closed,
[44:42] Speaker 2: once the ones involved have chosen that they want these
[44:45] Speaker 2: beings gone, these beings will be removed if they do
[44:50] Speaker 2: not leave. And I have had a number of situations
[44:55] Speaker 2: where we have had to call in guides to come
[44:58] Speaker 2: right down to the line, kind of between light and dark,
[45:02] Speaker 2: and force these beings out. That's not happened too often.
[45:07] Speaker 2: We don't usually get to that point. But it has happened.
[45:12] Speaker 2: These beings, these beings are usually under the direction of higher-ups.
[45:18] Speaker 2: There is usually a hierarchy. And that creates complications. It's
[45:27] Speaker 2: a little more work to get to that point where
[45:30] Speaker 2: the choice can be made to cut. But that's what
[45:34] Speaker 2: we work for, to get to that point.
[45:36] Speaker 1: You're saying some of these entities are working for higher
[45:40] Speaker 1: level entities when inhabiting or infecting a person's subpersonalities.
[45:49] Speaker 2: There's no question about mine. These souls in darkness, as
[45:56] Speaker 2: Jared has said, these spirits, dark spirits, are souls. And
[46:03] Speaker 2: as souls, they still carry the light inside them. But
[46:08] Speaker 2: this light has become so covered over in terms of
[46:12] Speaker 2: the experience that they've had to finally move into darkness,
[46:16] Speaker 2: that they do not even remember their own light. So
[46:21] Speaker 2: in that sense, I know from the beginning that if
[46:27] Speaker 2: I can convince them to reconnect, even touch, their own
[46:33] Speaker 2: inner light, they will remember who they are.
[46:37] Speaker 1: As far as the past live subpersonalities, I'd love to
[46:42] Speaker 1: hear a little bit more about this and how these
[46:46] Speaker 1: can become... part of a person's subpersonality and maybe some
[46:51] Speaker 1: examples of how you've reintegrated these?
[46:58] Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question because it's a very important
[47:01] Speaker 2: question often in people's healing. But the example I usually use,
[47:09] Speaker 2: if I were to die today and I had subpersonalities
[47:13] Speaker 2: created out of trauma who had not been resolved, and
[47:18] Speaker 2: we're still frightened or terrified or still angry. When my
[47:24] Speaker 2: body died and I left, the soul left and was
[47:29] Speaker 2: returning to the light, these subpersonalities who are unresolved, as
[47:35] Speaker 2: Jared said, they continue to have free choice. And often,
[47:42] Speaker 2: as the soul is going into the light, these subpersonalities
[47:46] Speaker 2: will refuse to go because they know the light is
[47:50] Speaker 2: going to bring up their trauma. It's going to have
[47:55] Speaker 2: them remember the pain or the hurt or the fear.
[47:59] Speaker 2: Jared said because they have free choice, the soul will
[48:04] Speaker 2: respect that and it will create, in a sense, a
[48:08] Speaker 2: pocket space where these subpersonalities can be placed in this
[48:12] Speaker 2: pocket and kept from the light because that's their choice.
[48:19] Speaker 2: And then when the soul reincarnates and it's moving into
[48:26] Speaker 2: this dense reality, into the human body, Jared said that
[48:32] Speaker 2: pocket opens back up as it approaches this physical reality
[48:37] Speaker 2: in which these past life subpersonalities were created in this
[48:43] Speaker 2: kind of reality the pocket will open back up and
[48:48] Speaker 2: these subpersonalities from past life will in a sense be
[48:54] Speaker 2: within the field of this conscious person and if certain
[49:00] Speaker 2: things happen in the client's life that similar or the
[49:07] Speaker 2: same as was experienced by a past life subpersonality, that
[49:13] Speaker 2: can trigger that subpersonality to come forward now into the present. So, again,
[49:23] Speaker 2: it's one of those things where a person, something happens
[49:27] Speaker 2: and they react in a rage and they don't understand why.
[49:32] Speaker 2: They may have four or five subpersonalities who carry that
[49:37] Speaker 2: same kind of energy and And now all these energies
[49:41] Speaker 2: are coalescing together and the client feels all of that
[49:46] Speaker 2: come together. So you've got present life subpersonalities, past life
[49:51] Speaker 2: subpersonalities carrying the same issue and reacting to an event.
[49:58] Speaker 2: And that can be pretty powerful.
[50:00] Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, one of the most disturbing parts of what,
[50:07] Speaker 1: is being done by some high-level groups such as three-letter agencies,
[50:13] Speaker 1: black project groups, especially the older projects like we hear
[50:18] Speaker 1: in MKUltra where they were intentionally splitting people's personalities and
[50:24] Speaker 1: using this for nefarious purposes such as assassins, sex pods,
[50:29] Speaker 1: different type of CIA or black operations that unfortunately folks
[50:35] Speaker 1: were being used and their personalities were being split up
[50:39] Speaker 1: using very nefarious methods, such as what we know as
[50:44] Speaker 1: satanic ritual abuse. Now, have you ever worked with anybody
[50:48] Speaker 1: that may have been a victim of some of these practices?
[50:53] Speaker 2: Yes. Um, I've worked with a couple of people who
[50:59] Speaker 2: were subjected to MKUltra.
[51:03] Speaker 3: And as.
[51:05] Speaker 2: Children. You know, I really do not know the extent
[51:14] Speaker 2: to what extent these things were done to adults, but
[51:21] Speaker 2: also to children. I don't know the extent of these experiments.
[51:29] Speaker 2: I would consider them not only dark, but evil. And
[51:35] Speaker 2: it pains me to think about our government having carried
[51:40] Speaker 2: out and maybe still involved with what are called black ops.
[51:48] Speaker 2: This is very dark stuff to control other human beings
[51:52] Speaker 2: in this way. And one of those is the one
[51:55] Speaker 2: you're pointing out. is to inflict intentional trauma in order
[52:03] Speaker 2: to split, create a dissociative personality. Now, I don't know
[52:08] Speaker 2: the extent. Like you hear about the kind of assassin,
[52:17] Speaker 2: I forget what they call them.
[52:21] Speaker 1: Super soldiers.
[52:21] Speaker 2: I don't know the extent of it.
[52:23] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[52:24] Speaker 1: Assassins or super soldiers, yeah. Manchurian candidates, yeah.
[52:28] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[52:30] Speaker 2: I don't know the extent to what this is that
[52:33] Speaker 2: this has happened or is happening. It concerns me a
[52:38] Speaker 2: great deal that I don't know all of what they
[52:43] Speaker 2: are into. It disturbs me.
[52:51] Speaker 1: As far as the instances that you've worked with, what
[52:56] Speaker 1: extent were the people affected by subpersonalities, and did it
[53:01] Speaker 1: go beyond human spirits or human subpersonalities? Did it go
[53:07] Speaker 1: to what you would consider non-human entities with some of
[53:10] Speaker 1: these MKUltra cases?
[53:13] Speaker 2: You mean creating of entities?
[53:14] Speaker 1: Yes. Or....
[53:22] Speaker 2: I guess the first thing I would say is not
[53:26] Speaker 2: only did I become aware of the government's involvement in
[53:30] Speaker 2: these kind of activities, I did work also with a
[53:34] Speaker 2: number of cult victims, whether you want to call it
[53:38] Speaker 2: satanic or devil worship, whatever you want to call it.
[53:43] Speaker 2: It was very dark energy they were involved in. And
[53:47] Speaker 2: the cult victims, activities, practices, rituals, were also designed to create,
[53:55] Speaker 2: many of them, were designed to create, again, dissociative personalities.
[54:02] Speaker 2: It made me wonder, after a number of years of
[54:06] Speaker 2: seeing this, it made me wonder whether there were people
[54:10] Speaker 2: involved in the government who learned about these things, did
[54:14] Speaker 2: these things, and in a sense went out on their
[54:17] Speaker 2: own and continued to practice these things on their own
[54:22] Speaker 2: with groups of people, it's almost as if this knowledge
[54:27] Speaker 2: of using drugs and trauma to dissociate personalities, it's almost
[54:32] Speaker 2: like that became knowledgeable among a number of people. And
[54:38] Speaker 2: it spread. I wonder if it spread.
[54:41] Speaker 3: I just.
[54:46] Speaker 2: It just... disturbing kinds of stuff.
[54:52] Speaker 1: And what would you say is the largest number of
[54:56] Speaker 1: sub personalities that you found in one single subject.
[55:07] Speaker 2: Well in talking about one of these subjects right now
[55:09] Speaker 2: that we've been talking about there were thousands oh wow
[55:14] Speaker 2: it's almost as though what they went through triggered a
[55:20] Speaker 2: mechanism that was almost operating automatically. So that the splitting
[55:28] Speaker 2: was almost not continuous like every minute, but in their life,
[55:33] Speaker 2: that splitting became an ongoing thing. So it's that protective
[55:40] Speaker 2: mechanism in a sense was turned on its head and
[55:44] Speaker 2: just ran rampant. That is, again, one of the kind
[55:50] Speaker 2: of consequences.
[55:52] Speaker 1: Now, I remember you were telling us last time you
[55:55] Speaker 1: were on about some sort of gatekeeping entity that prevented
[56:01] Speaker 1: you from going any further with a certain client. Could
[56:04] Speaker 1: you remind us a little bit about what happened in
[56:07] Speaker 1: that incident?
[56:09] Speaker 2: Well, this is before I met Jared. And this woman
[56:13] Speaker 2: had been diagnosed officially as multiple personality, now called DID,
[56:21] Speaker 2: dissociative identity disorder. And I was working with her in
[56:26] Speaker 2: what my therapy at that time was ego stage, subpersonalities.
[56:31] Speaker 2: That's what I was dealing with. Parts of the client.
[56:35] Speaker 2: And she was a cult victim. And I was working
[56:40] Speaker 2: in my office. I was communicating with to one of
[56:43] Speaker 2: the split-off personalities. I think at that time the one
[56:48] Speaker 2: I was talking about was called the Daughter of Darkness.
[56:51] Speaker 2: So that was a part of my client created during
[56:55] Speaker 2: a cult ritual. When I was communicating to her in
[57:01] Speaker 2: my office now, she came forward. I was asking her
[57:06] Speaker 2: about what happened to her. What was her experience? What
[57:10] Speaker 2: did she go through? And as she began to share
[57:14] Speaker 2: with me what happened, all of a sudden, this other
[57:18] Speaker 2: entity broke in. Her face changed. Her voice changed. Her demeanor,
[57:26] Speaker 2: the way she was sitting, it all changed. And this
[57:30] Speaker 2: entity that was looking at me, as I said, it
[57:34] Speaker 2: put the hairs on the back of my head up.
[57:39] Speaker 2: I didn't know what this was. This being told me
[57:44] Speaker 2: that we would go no further, no more questions. And
[57:49] Speaker 2: it was blocking that subpersonality from coming forward with me again.
[57:53] Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do. But it's the first
[57:58] Speaker 2: time I truly suspected that this entity was not part
[58:02] Speaker 2: of my client. I didn't rule out that it could be,
[58:06] Speaker 2: but I just felt I wasn't talking to my client.
[58:10] Speaker 1: And this is what happened. But this is one of
[58:13] Speaker 1: the things that ultimately led you to become curious about
[58:17] Speaker 1: what was happening with Jared and what he was telling you, right?
[58:21] Speaker 2: Absolutely. I went to the library after that. And I'm
[58:27] Speaker 2: thinking this lady might be possessed. So I went to
[58:31] Speaker 2: the library trying to find everything I could on the
[58:34] Speaker 2: psychology and possession and treatment exorcisms. And then in the library,
[58:40] Speaker 2: I find all this information material about all kinds of psychic, paranormal,
[58:46] Speaker 2: spiritual events. And so it was opening my eyes. It
[58:52] Speaker 2: didn't answer my questions about who this was, but it
[58:57] Speaker 2: opened me up to all of these phenomena that were
[59:01] Speaker 2: being reported.
[59:03] Speaker 1: You never revisited that case after you had more insight
[59:07] Speaker 1: into what was going on, did you?
[59:11] Speaker 2: I did not um what happened was that this client
[59:20] Speaker 2: in one in one of my sessions afterwards this was
[59:23] Speaker 2: after that happened uh let me know that um My
[59:29] Speaker 2: family was being observed that they knew where my wife was,
[59:34] Speaker 2: where my kids were on a particular day and told me,
[59:38] Speaker 2: this client told me that information. And basically they had
[59:45] Speaker 2: been observing my home and over several days. When I
[59:53] Speaker 2: found that out, I told my client I had to
[59:56] Speaker 2: terminate the therapy. I could not risk. This was my family.
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: So it didn't, that's where it was left.
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I can't blame you for that one, man.
[1:00:11] Speaker 1: That is scary. Well, let's, let's spend the last few
[1:00:14] Speaker 1: minutes we have on this. Do you think that our
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: modern medical and academia medical professionals that we have in, in,
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: in our modern times will ever, take any of, of
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: what's your research and take any of this seriously. Do
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: you have any, any hopes that this could eventually be
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: considered by our mainstream science and academia?
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: Well, Chris, you're, you're opening up a topic. I've, you know,
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: I retired four years ago. This, this is the topic
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: that has probably taken a lot of my time and attention.
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: I would say, that the scientific world and the medical
[1:01:04] Speaker 2: world being part of that is resisting, tremendous resistance to
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: these realities. And I look at this as the paradigm
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: that runs our society and our culture and has for
[1:01:26] Speaker 2: a few hundred years now. However, I believe we are
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: coming to the point where there is enough information, there
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: is enough data, there are enough eyewitness and self-reporting people
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: who have experienced these things that these realities, in my mind,
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: are irrefutable. This is where I would look at the
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: scientific world the medical world included, the psychiatric world included,
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: is what we might call willful ignorance. Meaning there is
[1:02:12] Speaker 2: enough data to say, hey, something is going on here.
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: And unless we recognize other dimensions, we cannot explain these
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: things otherwise. And until we acknowledge that there are other
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: dimensions of consciousness and being and reality, we are not
[1:02:35] Speaker 2: going to be able to move forward in the way
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: we need to to understand who we are and what
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: we're capable of. I tend to look at this as inevitable.
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: I better rephrase that. I don't know if we are
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: going to make that transformation, that transition, because it will
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: change the consciousness of our culture. It's a whole different
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: world to be thinking this way. I don't feel there's
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: any guarantee we're going to make that transition into that
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: level of consciousness. I hope we do. I certainly believe
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: we can.
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: Well, what do you think about the notion that the
[1:03:23] Speaker 1: reason Most likely the biggest reason we haven't already crossed
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: that bridge is because there's free energy implications behind that
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: understanding of different dimensions and different realms and the energy
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: that could surround us at all times. And of course,
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: they don't want us to have our hands on free
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: energy because we wouldn't have to rely on daddy government
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: and those in control to provide everything for us. we
[1:03:50] Speaker 1: would be able to do a lot of that for
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: ourselves and that might be one of the biggest reasons
[1:03:54] Speaker 1: why that's not being explored.
[1:03:58] Speaker 2: Chris I think that is one but I think there
[1:04:01] Speaker 2: are many in our culture who want to protect the
[1:04:10] Speaker 2: status quo because so much is at stake for so
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: many people it's the way we live this is our
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: world and Well, we're talking about this changing consciousness will
[1:04:23] Speaker 2: change not only the issue about energy. It will change
[1:04:28] Speaker 2: the structure of institutions or lead to the creation of
[1:04:32] Speaker 2: new institutions. It will change how we see ourselves and
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: how we see our reality. These beings that exist, and again,
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: I'll call them off-planet beings. The question in my mind is,
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: Are we as a society willing to form a communication
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: with these beings that will be transparent, public, and carry
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: on a communication with them? And I believe that there
[1:05:04] Speaker 2: can be those conditions to allow that to happen. And
[1:05:10] Speaker 2: once we do that, once people understand there are other
[1:05:15] Speaker 2: levels of consciousness and being, We are going to transcend
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: our ego psychology. We are so focused in the ego
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: kind of consciousness. That's why I say these different levels
[1:05:32] Speaker 2: within ourselves that are different levels of consciousness, we can't
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: even begin to deal with that. So I see this
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: as a big, big issue, and we're in it.
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: Well, we're definitely living in very interesting times. I am
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: very hopeful because of the amount of people who are
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: becoming more curious about these things and seemingly aware. So
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: that's very encouraging. And Dr. Zinsser, thank you so much.
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: This was fantastic. I would love to do it again
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: in the future for sure. Before you go, let the
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: audience know about your website and anything else you have
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: out there that they can access.
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: Well, my website is at www.soulcenteredhealing.net. And I have a
[1:06:28] Speaker 2: new website being built right now. So you may find
[1:06:32] Speaker 2: yourselves in between. The old website is still up. And
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: hopefully the new one is going to be a little
[1:06:37] Speaker 2: better organized, a little everything in order. Like I said,
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: I do not... I retired from clinical practice, so I
[1:06:47] Speaker 2: do not see clients any longer. I have trained a
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: number of individuals. Their names and contact info will be
[1:06:57] Speaker 2: on the new website. Meanwhile, I am trying to do
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: some writing on the paradigm shift itself, and I am
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: preparing the materials that I've put together over these 35 years,
[1:07:15] Speaker 2: so hopefully they'll be passed on in a way that's understandable.
[1:07:19] Speaker 2: So I'm trying to organize.
[1:07:22] Speaker 3: All of that.
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: Excellent.
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: Doctors, today I want to welcome back to the show
[1:07:26] Speaker 1: Corey Hughes. He is an author, researcher, and host of
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: Bloody History, Understanding Propaganda, and co-host of Day Zero. Corey,
[1:07:36] Speaker 1: welcome back. How you doing?
[1:07:39] Speaker 3: Excellent. Good to be back.
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great to have you. And you're putting the
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: finishing touches on your book right now, A Warning from History.
[1:07:48] Speaker 1: And this provides one of the most in-depth analysis, not
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: only of the events surrounding the assassination of JFK, but
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: even identification of some of the most critical players involved.
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: And you've been coming on periodically and sharing pieces of
[1:08:03] Speaker 1: the puzzle, breaking down the event that really paved the
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: way for what we now know as the New World Order.
[1:08:09] Speaker 1: And I'm not sure exactly where we left off last time,
[1:08:12] Speaker 1: but where should we begin with this today?
[1:08:15] Speaker 3: Well, let me just give you a little bit of...
[1:08:17] Speaker 3: I'll give you a little background and history on how
[1:08:19] Speaker 3: the book actually came along. I've actually been working on
[1:08:22] Speaker 3: the writing of the book for... Well, I wrote about
[1:08:26] Speaker 3: two chapters when you and I were living in Denver
[1:08:29] Speaker 3: about two years ago, but then I didn't write anything
[1:08:32] Speaker 3: else until March of last year. And so it's been.
[1:08:39] Speaker 3: It's been as nonstop as I could possibly make it
[1:08:41] Speaker 3: because when you write a book, you have to go
[1:08:43] Speaker 3: back and you might know it all in your head,
[1:08:45] Speaker 3: but you have to go back and you have to
[1:08:46] Speaker 3: double check your research. You have to double check and
[1:08:49] Speaker 3: pull your references. You have to do a lot of
[1:08:52] Speaker 3: stuff that causes you to spend more time researching, again,
[1:08:55] Speaker 3: stuff you've already done than actually writing words on paper.
[1:08:59] Speaker 3: So that's been a very frustrating part for me because
[1:09:02] Speaker 3: you think you have it in your head and you
[1:09:03] Speaker 3: can just, oh, I can just go and write it
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: all out. No, there's so much to it that you
[1:09:07] Speaker 3: have to actually go back and you have to double
[1:09:09] Speaker 3: check yourself. And there's been a lot of times when
[1:09:10] Speaker 3: I'm like, well, how do I know this? I know
[1:09:13] Speaker 3: that I know this, but how do I know this?
[1:09:15] Speaker 3: And so then I'll have to go back and I'll
[1:09:16] Speaker 3: re-research how I know something, right? So it's been a
[1:09:20] Speaker 3: long process, but in doing it the way that I have,
[1:09:24] Speaker 3: the book has kind of written itself. It kind of
[1:09:26] Speaker 3: went in its own directions. When I sat down, I
[1:09:29] Speaker 3: started to write a book on, I wanted it to
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: be the definitive book on everything. And then I realized
[1:09:34] Speaker 3: that's not possible. I mean, you would have 15 to 20,000
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: pages on print if you were to write a book
[1:09:41] Speaker 3: that had everything, right? So you really need an encyclopedia
[1:09:44] Speaker 3: for that. So then I started to focus just on
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: the shooters and And then in doing that, I had
[1:09:48] Speaker 3: to prove how I know these were the shooters. And
[1:09:51] Speaker 3: then from that, it shows the relationships back to all
[1:09:53] Speaker 3: the key people, because obviously this is the largest conspiracy ever.
[1:09:57] Speaker 3: And that all of these various paths from the shooters
[1:10:00] Speaker 3: reverse engineered all merge at a specific point, right? So
[1:10:05] Speaker 3: that's one theme of the book. And the other theme
[1:10:08] Speaker 3: of the book is showing that Oswald is mostly a construct.
[1:10:13] Speaker 3: He is mostly a figment of someone's imagination. where they
[1:10:16] Speaker 3: took a real person who was working for intelligence who
[1:10:19] Speaker 3: had defected to the Soviet Union, probably under a program
[1:10:24] Speaker 3: called Redskin. There was a number of programs stretching from
[1:10:31] Speaker 3: 1955 through the assassination in 1963. For the most part,
[1:10:36] Speaker 3: a lot of these programs came to an end. These
[1:10:38] Speaker 3: programs to try to get a spy into the Soviet Union.
[1:10:40] Speaker 3: They took a number of different paths, right? Obviously, Oswald
[1:10:43] Speaker 3: was a false defector. They had other programs that would
[1:10:45] Speaker 3: involve legal travel. They would have other people who were
[1:10:48] Speaker 3: former residents of Lithuania and Latvia and Estonia, some of
[1:10:54] Speaker 3: the Baltic regions. They would have people who grew up there,
[1:10:56] Speaker 3: who left, became American citizens. They would have them go
[1:10:59] Speaker 3: back to these countries and act as spies, right? So
[1:11:03] Speaker 3: when you study the Redskin program, you'll find that there's
[1:11:06] Speaker 3: really a series of programs between 55 and 63 that
[1:11:11] Speaker 3: cover their attempts at getting spies into the Soviet Union.
[1:11:15] Speaker 3: And really, it fell under about a dozen different programs, A.E. Balcony, A.E. Root.
[1:11:20] Speaker 3: There were a whole bunch of them. And so this
[1:11:23] Speaker 3: came to a screeching halt by the time of the assassination.
[1:11:26] Speaker 3: It seems like they started to wind this stuff down
[1:11:28] Speaker 3: at the end of June 1962. And then what happened
[1:11:33] Speaker 3: a week later? A week later, after they wind down
[1:11:37] Speaker 3: these A.E. Balcony-related programs and A.E. Root-related programs and Redskin Projects,
[1:11:42] Speaker 3: One week after they end the program, Oswald comes back
[1:11:45] Speaker 3: from the Soviet Union, right? So the timing of his
[1:11:48] Speaker 3: coming back coincides with the ending of these programs. And
[1:11:53] Speaker 3: when you come to understand the nature of these programs
[1:11:55] Speaker 3: and how in-depth they were and what they were doing,
[1:11:57] Speaker 3: they were tracking U.S. citizens who were going to these countries, right?
[1:12:01] Speaker 3: So if you lived in America and you traveled to
[1:12:03] Speaker 3: these countries, they knew who you were and they were
[1:12:05] Speaker 3: keeping tabs on you under the guise of these, what
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: I would call, redskin projects. So the idea that Oswald
[1:12:14] Speaker 3: would be able to go there, defect, and he wouldn't
[1:12:18] Speaker 3: be under their watchful eye going back till 1959 when
[1:12:22] Speaker 3: he got into the Marines and these programs were obviously
[1:12:24] Speaker 3: going on. It seems like he was groomed from day
[1:12:26] Speaker 3: one to be specifically a part of this Redskin program.
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: When you say Oswald, are you talking about the original,
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: the Root Oswald? Okay, because I know there's plenty of
[1:12:37] Speaker 1: doubles that have come after.
[1:12:38] Speaker 3: Here's the problem. There probably is no Root Oswald. There
[1:12:42] Speaker 3: probably isn't. And really to comment on that, we have
[1:12:46] Speaker 3: alleged birth certificates saying he was born to Marguerite Oswald
[1:12:50] Speaker 3: and Robert Lee Oswald. But there's only one picture has
[1:12:54] Speaker 3: ever shown up of Robert Lee Oswald, and he looks
[1:12:56] Speaker 3: almost identical to an FBI agent in Dallas named J.
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: Walton Moore. So it's really weird. I don't understand how
[1:13:04] Speaker 3: they do this.
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: Which Oswald is the most famous face that we all recognize,
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: the one that we both have on our T-shirt that
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: we see– Mostly featured in the mainstream media. Is that
[1:13:15] Speaker 1: the root, the real Oswald, do you think?
[1:13:17] Speaker 3: Definitely not. 100% not. So from what I can tell,
[1:13:21] Speaker 3: the original real Oswald, born to the original Marguerite Oswald,
[1:13:27] Speaker 3: who had a brother, Robert Oswald, who had a half-brother
[1:13:30] Speaker 3: named John Pick. This person, up through the age of 12,
[1:13:38] Speaker 3: is pretty standard. But once you get to the age
[1:13:40] Speaker 3: of 12, you'll start to find duplicate records of Oswald
[1:13:44] Speaker 3: having been in different schools. When like, for example, he
[1:13:49] Speaker 3: went to PS 44 in Manhattan that is confirmed. He
[1:13:53] Speaker 3: went to PS 44 in Manhattan and it was called
[1:13:55] Speaker 3: PS 44 because it was the 44th school in that
[1:13:58] Speaker 3: Manhattan district. Okay. There are teachers there who knew him there. However,
[1:14:05] Speaker 3: At some point in time, the record was obfuscated, and
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: he then all of a sudden appeared at PS44 in
[1:14:12] Speaker 3: another borough. I think it was in Queens. So when
[1:14:15] Speaker 3: you study the official record, it says that he was
[1:14:17] Speaker 3: at Queens, PS44. But the other PS44 is where he
[1:14:22] Speaker 3: really went to school, right? So these kind of shenanigans
[1:14:25] Speaker 3: go back to the time Oswald was 12 up in
[1:14:28] Speaker 3: New York. They continue when he comes back to New Orleans,
[1:14:34] Speaker 3: where when he goes to middle school in the 1954
[1:14:38] Speaker 3: school year, he allegedly goes to Beauregard. And we have
[1:14:42] Speaker 3: eyewitnesses that knew him at Beauregard, friends that knew him
[1:14:45] Speaker 3: at Beauregard. We have well documented in the official story
[1:14:49] Speaker 3: that he went to Beauregard. However, while he was going
[1:14:52] Speaker 3: to Beauregard, there was a Lee Harvey Oswald who went
[1:14:56] Speaker 3: with a mother named Margarita Oswald, who went to Stripling
[1:15:00] Speaker 3: Junior High School in Fort Worth. OK, so we have
[1:15:04] Speaker 3: the school. We have acknowledgement from the vice principal of
[1:15:08] Speaker 3: the school who handed the records off to the FBI that, yes,
[1:15:12] Speaker 3: he saw with his own eyes the records that Lee
[1:15:14] Speaker 3: Harvey Oswald went to stripling during the first six weeks
[1:15:18] Speaker 3: of of that school year. But at the exact same time,
[1:15:21] Speaker 3: he was enrolled and never missed a class while he
[1:15:23] Speaker 3: was at Beauregard in New Orleans.
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:15:25] Speaker 3: So we have these like duplicate records starting in New York,
[1:15:29] Speaker 3: continuing to New Orleans showing that way before the assassination,
[1:15:34] Speaker 3: way before he was even in the Marines, there was
[1:15:37] Speaker 3: some kind of program designed to keep and maintain a
[1:15:44] Speaker 3: person under a sink, two people under one identity, right? Now,
[1:15:48] Speaker 3: why would you want to do that? Why would you
[1:15:50] Speaker 3: have two people under one identity? Well, John Armstrong's theory
[1:15:53] Speaker 3: on this is that part of these programs that were
[1:15:57] Speaker 3: going on at this time, These A.E. Root and A.E.
[1:16:00] Speaker 3: Balcony type programs that they were trying to get a
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: spy in the Soviet Union. However, they were using a
[1:16:08] Speaker 3: child who had been plucked from an Eastern Bloc country
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: who spoke fluent Russian. Right. So imagine you have another
[1:16:17] Speaker 3: child around 12 years old. You bring him to America.
[1:16:20] Speaker 3: He speaks both fluent Russian and fluent English. And you
[1:16:24] Speaker 3: raise him under the name of a child who already exists.
[1:16:28] Speaker 2: All right.
[1:16:29] Speaker 3: Then when you get to the Marines, there is clear
[1:16:35] Speaker 3: evidence that there's the same shenanigans going on. Duplicate records
[1:16:39] Speaker 3: of Oswald having been at the language school in Monterey
[1:16:43] Speaker 3: as having been in certain Marine squadrons, but then duplicate
[1:16:47] Speaker 3: information about Oswald having been in other Marine squadrons and
[1:16:52] Speaker 3: other classes at Monterey, right? So there's There's evidence that
[1:16:56] Speaker 3: there were two Lee Harvey Oswalds, even in the Marines. Now,
[1:16:59] Speaker 3: if you're talking now, who's who's pulling one over on
[1:17:02] Speaker 3: the Marines? Nobody. This is an intelligence operation. To me,
[1:17:06] Speaker 3: it's clearly an intelligence operation. And then you have Lee
[1:17:09] Speaker 3: Harvey Oswald eventually defect to the Soviet Union. Right now,
[1:17:12] Speaker 3: imagine this. They the original child who they plucked from
[1:17:15] Speaker 3: the Soviet Union or whom wherever who spoke the fluent Russian,
[1:17:18] Speaker 3: they now send back to to the Soviet Union as
[1:17:22] Speaker 3: a spy.
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: Right. Right.
[1:17:23] Speaker 3: Now, my theory is that in a perfect world, he
[1:17:27] Speaker 3: would have just disappeared into the Soviet Union somewhere. Right.
[1:17:32] Speaker 3: And then the Russians would have been like, where's Lee
[1:17:33] Speaker 3: Harvey Oswald? And then here in America, they're like, what
[1:17:36] Speaker 3: are you talking about? We got Lee Harvey Oswald right
[1:17:39] Speaker 3: here in America while the spy is out invisible because
[1:17:43] Speaker 3: he's using a duplicate identity in the Soviet Union. Right.
[1:17:46] Speaker 3: So that's my theory on what the plan was supposed
[1:17:49] Speaker 3: to be. But it didn't go that way.
[1:17:52] Speaker 1: I want to ask you not to go off on
[1:17:54] Speaker 1: too much of a tangent here, but have you found
[1:17:57] Speaker 1: that it's been harder to find documentation and actually do
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: hard research into some of these topics surrounding the JFK assassination,
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: especially in the post-COVID era?
[1:18:11] Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, for sure. So archive.org, which is what
[1:18:17] Speaker 3: I used for most of my research for years, has been...
[1:18:20] Speaker 3: It's compromised. I don't know how else to put it.
[1:18:23] Speaker 3: It's all compromised. When I first started going there five
[1:18:28] Speaker 3: years ago or more, because I used it casually before
[1:18:30] Speaker 3: I started my hardcore research, it was easy. I would
[1:18:34] Speaker 3: put in a name of a subject, like Carrie Thornley
[1:18:37] Speaker 3: or whatever, Jim Garrison. I'd put it in there, and
[1:18:39] Speaker 3: I would get a very good Google algorithm-based search of
[1:18:44] Speaker 3: their site that would have all the documents and all
[1:18:46] Speaker 3: the stuff that I need, and it would come up perfectly.
[1:18:48] Speaker 3: Now it's virtually impossible to find stuff, even if I
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: know where it is. I have to save specific links
[1:18:53] Speaker 3: to specific documents because if you try to find them
[1:18:55] Speaker 3: within their own search function, you can't. You get drowned
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: with nonsense. I've also found at newspapers.com, particularly when all
[1:19:04] Speaker 3: the COVID stuff started, if you were to search for
[1:19:08] Speaker 3: COVID stuff, if you were to search for like coronavirus
[1:19:11] Speaker 3: stuff that was going back to the seventies, right? For
[1:19:14] Speaker 3: newspaper articles, what you would be, what we would find
[1:19:17] Speaker 3: is that you were drowned in clippings because you can
[1:19:22] Speaker 3: go into newspapers.com and cut clippings. And then all those
[1:19:24] Speaker 3: clippings become publicly available if you allow them to be
[1:19:27] Speaker 3: publicly available and they would be incorporated into search results.
[1:19:30] Speaker 3: I found in the coronavirus stuff, I would find hundreds
[1:19:34] Speaker 3: of pages of clippings before it ever even got to
[1:19:37] Speaker 3: any of the original articles. So there was an obvious
[1:19:40] Speaker 3: intent to take the available search engines out there that
[1:19:45] Speaker 3: are good for one specific thing and make them harder
[1:19:47] Speaker 3: to use. Archive.org is virtually impossible to use now. So
[1:19:53] Speaker 3: what I ended up doing is I just pulled the
[1:19:55] Speaker 3: original batch documents from Garrison and Wiseburg. And I just
[1:19:59] Speaker 3: pulled the original documents and keep them myself. And retitlement,
[1:20:03] Speaker 3: all that. Because trying to find them is virtually, it's
[1:20:07] Speaker 3: become a needle in a haystack. They're making it harder
[1:20:09] Speaker 3: intentionally to find this stuff.
[1:20:10] Speaker 1: I've spoken with a few guests over the past few
[1:20:14] Speaker 1: months that have similar theories about what's happening with these
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: search engines and the combination of this AI chat GPT
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: type technology where it's just, it's possibly being integrated with
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: the search engines to only bring up the information that
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: is approved by our authorities and government and any other
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: type of research that goes against the agendas, that goes
[1:20:41] Speaker 1: against any type of narrative, that it won't show up
[1:20:44] Speaker 1: in the search engine.
[1:20:46] Speaker 3: So I tell everybody, when it comes to research, I
[1:20:52] Speaker 3: only read certain particular books. I try to get the
[1:20:56] Speaker 3: vast majority of my information direct from documents. Like forget
[1:20:59] Speaker 3: about people's opinions. Just go right to the original root documents.
[1:21:04] Speaker 3: And sorting through these documents has been most certainly become
[1:21:08] Speaker 3: a lot harder. I will say that all of the
[1:21:16] Speaker 3: information that people need to come to conclusions, especially in
[1:21:20] Speaker 3: historical documents, like the ones that I deal with, the
[1:21:23] Speaker 3: answers are all there. It's just a matter of being
[1:21:25] Speaker 3: able to interpret it, right? These documents are like a
[1:21:28] Speaker 3: 3D puzzle, you know, and you can have pieces in
[1:21:31] Speaker 3: place and you can have big gaps, but based on
[1:21:35] Speaker 3: the positioning of certain pieces of the puzzle, you can
[1:21:38] Speaker 3: be like, oh, now that I understand this relationship here,
[1:21:42] Speaker 3: I can see what should fit over in this piece
[1:21:45] Speaker 3: over here that's missing, right? And so that, the best
[1:21:48] Speaker 3: way to really come to understand anything historically, because all
[1:21:52] Speaker 3: this stuff can be found in genealogies. When you go
[1:21:55] Speaker 3: through genealogies, you'll find relationships between players in Kennedy that
[1:21:59] Speaker 3: like you never thought would be there. And that opens
[1:22:01] Speaker 3: up whole new perspectives.
[1:22:03] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:22:03] Speaker 3: So what I tell everybody is like the best, the
[1:22:07] Speaker 3: best sources of information for any kind of research are
[1:22:10] Speaker 3: in the genealogy websites, like like Ancestry and all that stuff.
[1:22:17] Speaker 3: And was archive.org and newspapers.com newspapers.com is probably still the
[1:22:24] Speaker 3: best because This is another thing. A lot of people today,
[1:22:28] Speaker 3: they don't know what to censor from 50 years ago.
[1:22:33] Speaker 3: There are certain big things that I can tell you.
[1:22:35] Speaker 3: So everyone freaks out over the Kennedy documents that they're
[1:22:37] Speaker 3: still withholding. Let me tell you this. The Kennedy documents
[1:22:40] Speaker 3: they're withholding are not a smoking gun for anything. They
[1:22:43] Speaker 3: could give you all of them and most people would
[1:22:45] Speaker 3: read them and not have a goddamn clue what they
[1:22:47] Speaker 3: are really telling them. But I'll tell you what they're
[1:22:49] Speaker 3: really telling them. They're really telling them the story of
[1:22:52] Speaker 3: a relationship between Jack Valenti, David Morales... Charles the Blade Taurine,
[1:22:57] Speaker 3: and a guy named Harry Haller or Harry Hall. Those
[1:23:00] Speaker 3: four personnel records are the closest thing to smoking guns
[1:23:05] Speaker 3: that they're going to find. I've looked at the list
[1:23:07] Speaker 3: of things they're withholding. All four of those things directly
[1:23:11] Speaker 3: connect to Jack Valenti's activities that were somewhat illicit. So
[1:23:15] Speaker 3: this guy, Harry Hall, who was a somewhat mob guy,
[1:23:18] Speaker 3: somewhat CIA guy, he was friends with Joe DiMaggio, and
[1:23:24] Speaker 3: there's an interesting story about him that he had told
[1:23:28] Speaker 3: one of his mob buddies that he was going to
[1:23:32] Speaker 3: be on TV because he was going to be at
[1:23:35] Speaker 3: the funeral of Marilyn Monroe. Right. And they're like, yeah,
[1:23:40] Speaker 3: you're full of shit.
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:23:41] Speaker 3: So, and sure enough at the funeral of Marilyn Monroe,
[1:23:44] Speaker 3: Harry Hall shows up there as a guest of Joe DiMaggio.
[1:23:47] Speaker 3: Now who's Harry Hall. Harry Hall is a fucking guy
[1:23:50] Speaker 3: who was in tight with all these Chicago guys and
[1:23:54] Speaker 3: but he was such a lying scumbag drifter that what
[1:23:57] Speaker 3: he did was he, somehow he got some letterhead from
[1:24:02] Speaker 3: the white house with Jack Valenti's information on it, right?
[1:24:07] Speaker 3: Jack Valenti's printed letterhead from the white house. And he
[1:24:11] Speaker 3: used it to try to set up a deal to
[1:24:14] Speaker 3: buy some weapons and Jeeps, some sort of military surplus
[1:24:21] Speaker 3: that he was trying to pull some kind of scam
[1:24:22] Speaker 3: out And then like sell to Cuba or something like that. Right.
[1:24:26] Speaker 3: And so that led directly to Jack Valenti's aliases. Right.
[1:24:32] Speaker 3: One of the aliases Jack Valenti used, I forget the
[1:24:34] Speaker 3: last name, but it was Pierre something.
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:24:36] Speaker 3: And so then I find that Jack Valenti's letterhead is
[1:24:39] Speaker 3: connected to Harry Haller and Harry Haller was having this
[1:24:42] Speaker 3: deal with Pierre somebody. And I'm like, holy shit, Jack
[1:24:45] Speaker 3: Valenti and Harry Hall were involved in some kind of
[1:24:47] Speaker 3: scam while Jack Valenti was in the White House. Un-fucking-believable.
[1:24:52] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:24:52] Speaker 3: So all of the Harry Hall stuff is still withheld
[1:24:57] Speaker 3: in the Kennedy files. I wonder fucking why, because it
[1:25:00] Speaker 3: will show the relationship with Jack Valenti and that whole incident, right?
[1:25:03] Speaker 3: And so that'll out Jack Valenti as not having been
[1:25:05] Speaker 3: this saint that they made him out to be. Then
[1:25:08] Speaker 3: you have the David Morales files. David Morales, probably the
[1:25:13] Speaker 3: most hardcore, I mean, total shitbag human being, but probably
[1:25:17] Speaker 3: the most devastating, like, like when you think hardcore CIA
[1:25:21] Speaker 3: willing to do anything, kill anyone kind of guy, that
[1:25:24] Speaker 3: was him. He was the epitome of the on the ground,
[1:25:27] Speaker 3: you know, mercenary thug. And he was on the secret
[1:25:30] Speaker 3: service car with Jack Valenti when Jack Valenti fled from
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: Dealey Plaza after shooting Kennedy from the grassy knoll.
[1:25:35] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:25:36] Speaker 3: So the David Morales files, which I pray to God,
[1:25:39] Speaker 3: there's at least like a hundred thousand pages of files
[1:25:42] Speaker 3: on him. I fucking would, I hope there's that much
[1:25:45] Speaker 3: because I would love to get my hands on that. But, That, again,
[1:25:49] Speaker 3: will show the relationship with Jack Valenti. Same thing with
[1:25:52] Speaker 3: Charles the Blade Turing. He was a hitman for the mob.
[1:25:57] Speaker 3: And I have found his name associated with some of
[1:25:59] Speaker 3: Jack Valenti's aliases. But that's all the information I have
[1:26:02] Speaker 3: on him. But then when you look at the JFK files,
[1:26:04] Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff on Charles the Blade Turing is
[1:26:06] Speaker 3: still withheld. So to me, all this stuff just connects
[1:26:10] Speaker 3: back to Jack Valenti. They did release some of the
[1:26:13] Speaker 3: Charles the Blade Turing files just recently this year. There's
[1:26:16] Speaker 3: two or three that they dropped, but none of those
[1:26:18] Speaker 3: had any real significance, nor did they connect to Jack Valente.
[1:26:21] Speaker 3: But the stuff that's being withheld, like I said, the
[1:26:23] Speaker 3: study of the assassination is the study of relationships. It
[1:26:27] Speaker 3: is not the study of how many bullets there were
[1:26:29] Speaker 3: in Dealey Plaza. You know, it's irrelevant. The stuff that
[1:26:32] Speaker 3: happened in Dealey Plaza, yes, there's a lot of evidentiary
[1:26:35] Speaker 3: information there, but you can really come to figure out
[1:26:38] Speaker 3: everything that happened there when you understand the major players,
[1:26:42] Speaker 3: their relationships with each other, who was what, where, when, why,
[1:26:45] Speaker 3: all that stuff. And the events at Dealey Plaza will
[1:26:47] Speaker 3: fall into place. All you got to know is who
[1:26:50] Speaker 3: knew who. And that's the most important stuff. And that's
[1:26:52] Speaker 3: what these files will show.
[1:26:54] Speaker 1: Valente is so interesting. I can't wait till we actually
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: get to do a full show on this guy. This
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: is such an interesting cat. And he seems to have
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: his hands all over this event.
[1:27:08] Speaker 3: He's got his hands all over so much. It's unreal.
[1:27:12] Speaker 3: He was involved in... So here's the weird thing. Like
[1:27:15] Speaker 3: he's only in the white. So he shoots Kennedy on
[1:27:17] Speaker 3: the grassy knoll. He ends up leaving in Air Force
[1:27:21] Speaker 3: One with Lyndon Johnson on the plane. He's in the photograph,
[1:27:23] Speaker 3: the famous photograph on Air Force One. And he goes
[1:27:27] Speaker 3: on to stay in the White House where, in my opinion,
[1:27:30] Speaker 3: he was Johnson's boss. It was not the other way around.
[1:27:35] Speaker 3: He was most certainly the highest connected guy to all
[1:27:39] Speaker 3: of the, you know, quote unquote Illuminati types of the day.
[1:27:43] Speaker 3: You know, all the Israeli stuff, all the Hollywood people,
[1:27:46] Speaker 3: every freaking senator and congressperson before he even made it
[1:27:51] Speaker 3: to the White House. He was so plugged in. It
[1:27:53] Speaker 3: was unbelievable. And when you really come to understand who
[1:27:59] Speaker 3: Valenti is, like, I feel that everything that everyone knows
[1:28:01] Speaker 3: about Valenti is like his wearing a social mask. Like
[1:28:06] Speaker 3: the Valenti we see on TV is a construct. When
[1:28:08] Speaker 3: you go into his file, he dated a girl who
[1:28:10] Speaker 3: he ended up– they didn't get along or they didn't
[1:28:12] Speaker 3: stay together for very long because they were of different religions,
[1:28:16] Speaker 3: which I'm still trying to figure out. I'm pretty confident
[1:28:19] Speaker 3: Jack Valenti was Jewish. Joe Valenti, there's an indication that
[1:28:22] Speaker 3: his family was Jewish, right? So I'm pretty sure Jack
[1:28:24] Speaker 3: Valenti was Jewish but never, ever said that. He's connected
[1:28:29] Speaker 3: to everything post– once he leaves the White House in
[1:28:31] Speaker 3: 66 and takes over Hollywood as the head of the
[1:28:33] Speaker 3: MPAA– He then stays in D.C. and runs Hollywood from D.C.
[1:28:38] Speaker 3: He never moved to Hollywood. He lived in D.C. and
[1:28:40] Speaker 3: he ran the Motion Picture Association from D.C. If that
[1:28:42] Speaker 3: tells you anything.
[1:28:43] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:28:44] Speaker 3: Plus, we have the documents showing that he was transferred
[1:28:47] Speaker 3: to White House payroll from another agency preexisting, meaning he
[1:28:50] Speaker 3: was CIA.
[1:28:51] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:28:51] Speaker 3: So but after he gets out of the White House,
[1:28:53] Speaker 3: he had two points of contact in government. One was
[1:28:56] Speaker 3: Richard Helms, who was the head of the CIA until
[1:28:58] Speaker 3: he left to become the ambassador to Iran. And Henry Kissinger,
[1:29:03] Speaker 3: who starting in 66 was in the White House. So, yeah,
[1:29:07] Speaker 3: the biggest people in the world handled Valenti after he
[1:29:10] Speaker 3: left to go to Hollywood. It's crazy.
[1:29:13] Speaker 1: Now, getting back to any new revelations since we last spoke,
[1:29:18] Speaker 1: you had started off by telling me, telling us a
[1:29:20] Speaker 1: little bit about Oswald. What else have we not gotten
[1:29:23] Speaker 1: into yet?
[1:29:24] Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we talked a little bit about Cary Thornley.
[1:29:27] Speaker 3: And the thing I want to talk about with Cary
[1:29:28] Speaker 3: Thornley is that Cary Thornley looked a lot like Oswald.
[1:29:31] Speaker 3: He knew Oswald from the time he was in the
[1:29:33] Speaker 3: Marines and he was recruited. It must've been recruited into
[1:29:36] Speaker 3: intelligence about the same time that Oswald, because I can
[1:29:39] Speaker 3: trace him back to Atsugi, Japan when Oswald was there
[1:29:42] Speaker 3: at the same time using an alias, right? So I
[1:29:45] Speaker 3: have Cary Thornley in early 1960 in Atsugi, Japan, where
[1:29:49] Speaker 3: Oswald had been, but then had just left to go
[1:29:51] Speaker 3: back to the States. Um, and he was there gathering
[1:29:54] Speaker 3: information on Oswald and he used the name of Rick Thornley.
[1:29:57] Speaker 3: So to me, it was obvious by 1960, he was
[1:30:00] Speaker 3: a already recruited into intelligence and be already assigned to, um,
[1:30:05] Speaker 3: Oswald as some kind of friend slash handler. And that continued.
[1:30:12] Speaker 3: So I've really come to understand that a lot of
[1:30:14] Speaker 3: the information that we have, like there were various aliases
[1:30:17] Speaker 3: used throughout the setup of the assassination. Right. So we
[1:30:20] Speaker 3: all know that, um, Oswald allegedly used the alias of
[1:30:24] Speaker 3: Alec Heidel. So Alec Heidel, there is no Alec Heidel,
[1:30:30] Speaker 3: but the name Heidel was actually the nickname of another
[1:30:34] Speaker 3: Marine that he knew, whose real name was Heindel, H-E-I-N-D-E-L.
[1:30:40] Speaker 3: But everyone called him Heidel just because it was mistaken
[1:30:44] Speaker 3: or they were lazy, but he just kind of got
[1:30:46] Speaker 3: used to it as a nickname. Another incident in New
[1:30:49] Speaker 3: Orleans where Kerry Thornley gives an alias attempting to set
[1:30:52] Speaker 3: up Oswald, he gives an alias of Osborne, Leon Osborne. Well,
[1:30:57] Speaker 3: guess what? Oswald had another Marine in his unit named Osborne, right?
[1:31:03] Speaker 3: So I started to find that the aliases that were
[1:31:05] Speaker 3: allegedly used by Oswald were also the names of men
[1:31:09] Speaker 3: in his unit in the Marines. And Oswald was getting
[1:31:13] Speaker 3: set up. He didn't use it. But who else would
[1:31:15] Speaker 3: know this? Only Cary Thornley, because Cary Thornley was there
[1:31:19] Speaker 3: shadowing Oswald, getting information on his alleged activities starting in
[1:31:24] Speaker 3: 60 in Atsugi. And I promise, continuing throughout the rest
[1:31:28] Speaker 3: of their career in the Marines, once Oswald goes off
[1:31:31] Speaker 3: to the Soviet Union, Cary Thornley goes back to New
[1:31:33] Speaker 3: Orleans where he ends up associating with David Ferry and
[1:31:35] Speaker 3: Guy Bannister and Clay Shaw and all the guys at
[1:31:38] Speaker 3: 544 Camp Street. where Oswald is alleged to have associated,
[1:31:43] Speaker 3: but I'm telling you with certainty, Oswald didn't associate with
[1:31:46] Speaker 3: these people. He was being handled by Clay Shaw and
[1:31:49] Speaker 3: Carrie Thornley, but all of the incidents where Oswald is
[1:31:53] Speaker 3: associated with David Ferry and 544 Camp Street, that is
[1:31:56] Speaker 3: 100% Carrie Thornley. So I came to understand that Carrie
[1:31:59] Speaker 3: Thornley played a much bigger role in the assassination than
[1:32:01] Speaker 3: anybody has ever realized. He was directly involved in the
[1:32:04] Speaker 3: setup of Oswald. He was the one who came up
[1:32:05] Speaker 3: with the aliases that were assigned to Oswald and names
[1:32:08] Speaker 3: that were used. And part of the lead up to
[1:32:11] Speaker 3: the assassination, because it wasn't Oswald and the only other
[1:32:14] Speaker 3: person who would know the names of the people in
[1:32:15] Speaker 3: the Marine unit was Cary Thornley because he was there.
[1:32:19] Speaker 3: So it became very obvious to me, Cary Thornley played
[1:32:23] Speaker 3: much bigger part in the setup. And then once I
[1:32:26] Speaker 3: realized his connection to Marina Oswald, that he had a
[1:32:29] Speaker 3: relationship with Marina Oswald in New Orleans and had a
[1:32:31] Speaker 3: relationship with Marina Oswald in Dallas, where they were setting
[1:32:35] Speaker 3: Oswald up, like shooting at bales of hay off the
[1:32:37] Speaker 3: highway and stuff like that. where Oswald was seen driving
[1:32:39] Speaker 3: a car, yet Oswald never drove. Once I made the
[1:32:43] Speaker 3: connection that Marina was married to Lee Harvey Oswald, but
[1:32:48] Speaker 3: also was a scene associating with Carrie Thornley, that filled
[1:32:51] Speaker 3: in a dozen blanks for me. And then I realized,
[1:32:54] Speaker 3: oh my God, Carrie Thornley was the major force behind
[1:32:58] Speaker 3: the setup of Oswald as this violent communist dissident. So
[1:33:03] Speaker 3: of course there are several incidents where William Seymour was
[1:33:06] Speaker 3: impersonating him like at the rifle range, and a couple
[1:33:08] Speaker 3: other places, and particularly at the school book depository, you
[1:33:12] Speaker 3: have these two men impersonating Oswald, right? So yeah, so
[1:33:17] Speaker 3: in researching this Cary Thornley chapter, I'm going over some
[1:33:20] Speaker 3: David Ferry stuff, and this is one of the biggest revelations,
[1:33:23] Speaker 3: and I don't know the significance of it at all.
[1:33:26] Speaker 3: I don't know if it has anything to do with
[1:33:27] Speaker 3: the assassination at all, but no one has ever pointed
[1:33:29] Speaker 3: this out. I have discovered that David Ferry was actually
[1:33:35] Speaker 3: married and had a child with In 1949, he lived
[1:33:40] Speaker 3: in Tampa. On his taxes, he had two dependents. And
[1:33:44] Speaker 3: in Garrison's files, I found a handwritten note that says
[1:33:48] Speaker 3: they located information that stated David Ferry had been married
[1:33:52] Speaker 3: in 1949 and had two dependents. Then he's investigated for
[1:33:57] Speaker 3: being a child molester by Eastern Airlines in early 1960s,
[1:34:00] Speaker 3: like 61, 62. They set up an investigator to spy
[1:34:06] Speaker 3: on his house to keep tabs on who's coming and
[1:34:08] Speaker 3: going from David Ferry's place. This is Eastern Airlines, not
[1:34:11] Speaker 3: the police. And so they take down a whole bunch
[1:34:13] Speaker 3: of license plates. One of the license plates they come
[1:34:16] Speaker 3: up with that went to David Ferry's house in 1962
[1:34:21] Speaker 3: came back to David W. Ferry Jr. And it was
[1:34:24] Speaker 3: registered to an Alexandria, Louisiana address. When they dug into it,
[1:34:29] Speaker 3: they found that David Ferry Jr., who lived in Alexandria,
[1:34:32] Speaker 3: was a lieutenant in the Marine Corps in 1963. David
[1:34:39] Speaker 3: Ferry Jr. has never, ever been part of the Kennedy
[1:34:43] Speaker 3: assassination story, and no one has ever discussed his existence
[1:34:47] Speaker 3: until this moment here today on this show. So, I
[1:34:52] Speaker 3: don't even know where to begin to put together his
[1:34:57] Speaker 3: role in any potential anything, right? So, Yeah, that was
[1:35:04] Speaker 3: another mind-blowing discovery for me, and I don't know the
[1:35:06] Speaker 3: implications of that. Well, I know it means David Ferry
[1:35:09] Speaker 3: wasn't totally gay. He was just a weird freak. Yeah,
[1:35:16] Speaker 3: so those are some of the more recent connections that
[1:35:18] Speaker 3: I've made.
[1:35:19] Speaker 1: Well, just the fact that there could be someone still
[1:35:21] Speaker 1: alive with more information than most about what could have
[1:35:26] Speaker 1: possibly happened in that event, that's pretty.
[1:35:29] Speaker 3: That reminds me. You bring me to like the biggest
[1:35:31] Speaker 3: discovery of all. And I have to thank my boy, Antonio,
[1:35:35] Speaker 3: who works on my website and is in my Kennedy chat,
[1:35:39] Speaker 3: a fantastic supporter of mine. He found out that William Seymour,
[1:35:44] Speaker 3: the man who impersonated Oswald at the gun range and
[1:35:46] Speaker 3: a number of places at Sylvia Odeo's and ultimately at
[1:35:49] Speaker 3: the book depository where he worked there as the Harvey Oswald,
[1:35:51] Speaker 3: because Oswald didn't work at the book depository. This man
[1:35:55] Speaker 3: is still alive and he's living in Phoenix, Arizona. And
[1:35:59] Speaker 3: I have his address and phone number. He started a
[1:36:02] Speaker 3: he started a surveying company. He's only he's 86. And
[1:36:06] Speaker 3: so he has children and grandchildren. And I'm sure he's
[1:36:09] Speaker 3: probably not working at this company that he had started.
[1:36:12] Speaker 3: His kids are probably running it or somebody is running it.
[1:36:14] Speaker 3: But I have the information on William Seymour. It's Seymour
[1:36:19] Speaker 3: well drilling Seymour surveying and well drilling or something like
[1:36:22] Speaker 3: that in Houston. And yeah. That's that's that is shocking
[1:36:26] Speaker 3: to me. And I don't even know how to go
[1:36:27] Speaker 3: about doing anything with it because that's a guy who
[1:36:30] Speaker 3: was involved directly with the setup. And he's 86 years old.
[1:36:34] Speaker 3: He might be ready to talk.
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was going to say he's 86. If
[1:36:37] Speaker 1: you're going to do anything, you might want to do
[1:36:39] Speaker 1: something soon. He's got some limited time there. Yeah.
[1:36:44] Speaker 3: So I don't even know what to do with that.
[1:36:47] Speaker 3: I've had contacts with other investigators who are interested in
[1:36:49] Speaker 3: this stuff, who like this kind of thing, who like
[1:36:51] Speaker 3: to go out and contact people. And so I think
[1:36:53] Speaker 3: I'm going to hand it off to one of them.
[1:36:56] Speaker 3: But yeah, it's fascinating. That guy, you could sit down
[1:37:00] Speaker 3: with him because I have a picture of him in
[1:37:01] Speaker 3: Dealey Plaza where he's wearing the light brown jacket that
[1:37:03] Speaker 3: he was stopped inside the Book Depository wearing by Baker
[1:37:06] Speaker 3: and Truly, who allegedly stopped Oswald in the building. But
[1:37:09] Speaker 3: they didn't stop Oswald in the building. The whole Oswald
[1:37:11] Speaker 3: drinking a Coke on the second floor story is a joke.
[1:37:14] Speaker 3: It's total myth. It never happened. The incident with Baker
[1:37:17] Speaker 3: and Truly stopping Oswald happened between the third and fourth
[1:37:19] Speaker 3: floor in the stairwell. And it was not Oswald. It
[1:37:21] Speaker 3: was William Seymour. And he was wearing a light brown
[1:37:23] Speaker 3: jacket and a light blue shirt. And I have a
[1:37:25] Speaker 3: photograph of him in Dealey Plaza moments before he reentered
[1:37:29] Speaker 3: the book depository and went back up to the sixth
[1:37:30] Speaker 3: floor and then was stopped on the way down. So
[1:37:33] Speaker 3: I have photographic proof I could present to him and
[1:37:35] Speaker 3: be like, that's you in Dealey Plaza. What happened? And
[1:37:42] Speaker 3: so it's weird because he's 86 years old. He's never
[1:37:45] Speaker 3: talked this whole time. But he actually did show up
[1:37:48] Speaker 3: once at a JFK convention, believe it or not. And
[1:37:51] Speaker 3: there's a photograph of him sitting at a booth at
[1:37:52] Speaker 3: a JFK convention.
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: Wow.
[1:37:54] Speaker 3: So, yeah, wild stuff. The guy, I mean, come on,
[1:37:58] Speaker 3: if you had a secret like that your whole life,
[1:37:59] Speaker 3: the most important thing in world history, wouldn't you want
[1:38:02] Speaker 3: to tell somebody at some point?
[1:38:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:38:03] Speaker 3: Wouldn't you want to spill the beans?
[1:38:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:38:05] Speaker 3: Well, it's not like.
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: We're going to hear it from anyone else. All the
[1:38:09] Speaker 1: prior major JFK researchers seem to have just been going
[1:38:14] Speaker 1: off of the previous formula that, whatever detective or researcher
[1:38:19] Speaker 1: left for them to follow, but they didn't dig any deeper.
[1:38:23] Speaker 1: And we've got a more clear picture with your research
[1:38:26] Speaker 1: than ever before, really.
[1:38:30] Speaker 3: Yes, I figured out why I figured out that most
[1:38:33] Speaker 3: Kennedy researchers, they they take things for granted, like every
[1:38:38] Speaker 3: Kennedy researcher in the world has taken for granted that
[1:38:42] Speaker 3: Lee Harvey Oswald worked at the book depository. They just
[1:38:45] Speaker 3: assume that's such a fundamental fact of the case. It
[1:38:48] Speaker 3: has to be true. They haven't even questioned that fact.
[1:38:54] Speaker 3: I questioned it. You know why? Because when I went
[1:38:56] Speaker 3: through the statements of the people who worked in the
[1:38:58] Speaker 3: book depository, I found out that some of the more
[1:39:02] Speaker 3: prevalent people in there, like Ovi Campbell, who ran the
[1:39:05] Speaker 3: book depository, he had never seen Oswald until Oswald showed
[1:39:09] Speaker 3: up on television. And Oswald had allegedly been there for
[1:39:11] Speaker 3: about six weeks, working there for six weeks. So there
[1:39:15] Speaker 3: were at least seven or eight people who had been
[1:39:16] Speaker 3: working in that building who had never, ever seen Lee
[1:39:19] Speaker 3: Harvey Oswald ever. Right. And nobody saw him there that day,
[1:39:24] Speaker 3: except for a handful of people who were on the
[1:39:26] Speaker 3: fifth and sixth floor, you know, before and during the assassination.
[1:39:30] Speaker 3: Guys like Charles Givens and Billy Lovelady and guys who
[1:39:35] Speaker 3: were obviously in on the cover up on some low level.
[1:39:38] Speaker 3: They're the only people who ever identified Oswald as having
[1:39:40] Speaker 3: been there. And then when I found that, I found
[1:39:43] Speaker 3: a picture of William Seymour out back of the Texas
[1:39:45] Speaker 3: School Book Depository, it just made perfect sense that, yes,
[1:39:48] Speaker 3: Oswald was being impersonated all over the place, going back
[1:39:51] Speaker 3: to the age of 12. And this was no different.
[1:39:54] Speaker 3: Everyone took for granted he worked there. He didn't work there.
[1:39:57] Speaker 3: No evidence he worked there. You have a job application
[1:39:59] Speaker 3: and witnesses who said that he worked there. But if
[1:40:01] Speaker 3: I introduced you to somebody who looked just like Oswald,
[1:40:03] Speaker 3: told you his name was Lee Harvey Oswald, and then
[1:40:06] Speaker 3: later you see somebody else arrested and put on television,
[1:40:09] Speaker 3: what are you going to think? What are you going
[1:40:10] Speaker 3: to do? Imagine if all of a sudden you realize
[1:40:13] Speaker 3: you work for a CIA front. Are you going to
[1:40:15] Speaker 3: tell anybody? No, you're going to be scared out of
[1:40:18] Speaker 3: your mind and you're going to go work somewhere else.
[1:40:20] Speaker 3: That's what you're going to do.
[1:40:20] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:40:21] Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a very well kept secret. The
[1:40:23] Speaker 3: entire assassination story is a series of well planned scripted events,
[1:40:28] Speaker 3: much like a theatrical production, but not inserted into a
[1:40:31] Speaker 3: movie played out as real life and reported on the news.
[1:40:34] Speaker 3: That was the Kennedy assassination in a nutshell, a completely
[1:40:37] Speaker 3: scripted fabricated event from start to finish that took years
[1:40:40] Speaker 3: to assemble and and involved basically hundreds of what we
[1:40:44] Speaker 3: would now today call crisis actors.
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: Now, a lot of the individuals and events surrounding the
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: assassination actually took place in Louisiana and New Orleans. There
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: were ties to the major mob boss at the time,
[1:41:01] Speaker 1: Carlos Marcella. What are some of the major events that
[1:41:04] Speaker 1: really stick out for you that maybe we could go
[1:41:07] Speaker 1: over today?
[1:41:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
[1:41:09] Speaker 3: So, like, you have to understand that New Orleans was
[1:41:11] Speaker 3: a major, major mob town because of the port. That's
[1:41:15] Speaker 3: why it was so important. Not necessarily because New Orleans
[1:41:18] Speaker 3: was great or anything like that. It had the port.
[1:41:20] Speaker 3: And because it had the port, it had smuggling. And
[1:41:22] Speaker 3: because it had smuggling, it had, you know, all of
[1:41:26] Speaker 3: the security agencies there, customs. It had naval intelligence. It
[1:41:31] Speaker 3: had FBI, CIA, you know, you name it, army intelligence, everything.
[1:41:36] Speaker 3: you name it, it had intelligence operations going on there
[1:41:39] Speaker 3: to either a prevent or either a prevent or B
[1:41:44] Speaker 3: take part in these smuggling operations. Right. So that's, you'll
[1:41:48] Speaker 3: always find heavy concentrations of mafia and intelligence in locations
[1:41:52] Speaker 3: where there are ports, New York, the docks in New York,
[1:41:55] Speaker 3: New Jersey, Cleveland, you know, um, Yeah, the ports are
[1:42:02] Speaker 3: essential for smuggling, hence the need for intelligence and mafia infrastructure.
[1:42:06] Speaker 3: And so like the original mob boss was Silver Dollar
[1:42:09] Speaker 3: Sam Carolla. And he was big into the slot machines
[1:42:13] Speaker 3: and stuff, right? He came up with ways to get
[1:42:14] Speaker 3: around the slot machines, but Bureau of Narcotics and all
[1:42:19] Speaker 3: that stuff, they were onto that guy. And so he
[1:42:21] Speaker 3: ends up going the way of the dodo. Marcello comes
[1:42:24] Speaker 3: to power. Marcello was like, he was one of the
[1:42:27] Speaker 3: big three. The big three were Marcello, Giancana and Traficante.
[1:42:31] Speaker 3: Those were the three biggest mob bosses in the country.
[1:42:35] Speaker 3: And the three of them basically worked directly for Meyer Lansky,
[1:42:38] Speaker 3: who ran the mafia. Now, most people won't acknowledge Meyer
[1:42:41] Speaker 3: Lansky as having ran the mafia. They'll say he was
[1:42:43] Speaker 3: the mob's accountant. But when you understand that he made
[1:42:45] Speaker 3: all the money for the mob, he set up all
[1:42:47] Speaker 3: the drug trafficking routes. He was the, I mean, there
[1:42:50] Speaker 3: was nobody like him. He was light years beyond Giancana
[1:42:55] Speaker 3: and Traficante and these guys. I mean, he started Murder, Inc.
[1:42:58] Speaker 3: in New York and he murdered Salvatore Maranzano and Joe Masseria,
[1:43:04] Speaker 3: who are the top two mob bosses in the country
[1:43:06] Speaker 3: who were Sicilian. Once he knocked them off in 1931,
[1:43:09] Speaker 3: he became de facto mob boss of the whole country.
[1:43:13] Speaker 3: Not necessarily because anyone answered directly to him, but when
[1:43:16] Speaker 3: you establish the infrastructure of how the mafia works and
[1:43:20] Speaker 3: you set up the largest money generating operations that there were,
[1:43:26] Speaker 3: you get all the power, you know what I mean?
[1:43:28] Speaker 3: So the five families might've sat on the throne in
[1:43:30] Speaker 3: New York, but they all bowed down to Meyer Lansky.
[1:43:34] Speaker 3: This is how it was.
[1:43:35] Speaker 1: A lot of the planning did take place in new
[1:43:37] Speaker 1: Orleans amongst David Ferry and these, these mobsters. Yeah.
[1:43:42] Speaker 3: So originally I never believed that I thought it was
[1:43:44] Speaker 3: too obvious. Like if, if, if Oliver Stone is talking
[1:43:48] Speaker 3: about it, saying it in his film that new Orleans
[1:43:51] Speaker 3: was the key, And I'm thinking it's some global international
[1:43:54] Speaker 3: conspiracy involving the Israelis. Then how does the two fit together?
[1:43:57] Speaker 3: I never thought they did, but they do. Because of
[1:44:00] Speaker 3: a company called Permindex, which is a Mossad front company
[1:44:03] Speaker 3: that had, you know, the board of directors was all CIA, mafia, Mossad,
[1:44:09] Speaker 3: you know, like you name it. It was a who's
[1:44:11] Speaker 3: who of scumbags. And that was, to me, the absolute
[1:44:14] Speaker 3: proof that all these organizations were working together. And one
[1:44:16] Speaker 3: of the guys on the board of directors of Permindex
[1:44:18] Speaker 3: and CMC was Clay Shaw. And so that's where basically
[1:44:21] Speaker 3: the orders came down from. It came down from the
[1:44:26] Speaker 3: head of the Israeli government to the Mossad to Permindex,
[1:44:30] Speaker 3: which is where the CIA becomes involved, right? So the
[1:44:33] Speaker 3: CIA is a secondary player in the assassination. Primary in
[1:44:37] Speaker 3: its execution, however, they have great plausible deniability because 100%
[1:44:40] Speaker 3: of the shooters also work for the mob. So the
[1:44:43] Speaker 3: CIA can always go, these guys work for the mob.
[1:44:45] Speaker 3: We don't know what you're talking about. When it's documented
[1:44:48] Speaker 3: that all of them work for the CIA as well.
[1:44:49] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:44:50] Speaker 3: So yeah, there was an intricate relationship between the CIA,
[1:44:54] Speaker 3: the mafia and the FBI that I never understood, but
[1:44:57] Speaker 3: now makes perfect sense because the CIA, but the FBI's
[1:45:01] Speaker 3: job in America is to cover for the CIA. That's it.
[1:45:04] Speaker 3: That is their number one priority above all else cover
[1:45:07] Speaker 3: for the CIA. The CIA does stuff and the FBI
[1:45:10] Speaker 3: has to go in, investigate and cover it up. That's
[1:45:12] Speaker 3: what they fucking do. That's plain and simple what they do. So,
[1:45:15] Speaker 3: And it's obvious when you go and you read the
[1:45:17] Speaker 3: Kennedy stuff about how the FBI lied in documents.
[1:45:19] Speaker 1: Well, dude, look at the stuff happening now with especially
[1:45:23] Speaker 1: January 6th, a perfect example, but some of the other
[1:45:26] Speaker 1: psychological operations and false flags happening. It's exactly happening like that.
[1:45:31] Speaker 1: The FBI will come in and try and clean up
[1:45:34] Speaker 1: the mess that the CIA made. And it becomes even
[1:45:37] Speaker 1: more ridiculous because they end up outing themselves and they
[1:45:41] Speaker 1: don't know, the right hand doesn't know what the left
[1:45:43] Speaker 1: hand doing. So FBI agents are arresting FBI agents and
[1:45:46] Speaker 1: it's complete chaos.
[1:45:48] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:45:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:45:49] Speaker 3: It's a shit show. The FBI, you can't have a
[1:45:52] Speaker 3: law enforcement organization that's dedicated to enforcing laws and then
[1:45:56] Speaker 3: Covering up for those who break them. I mean, you
[1:45:59] Speaker 3: can't have those two things working together because like I
[1:46:02] Speaker 3: promise you, like when you listen to some of the
[1:46:04] Speaker 3: FBI guys who were working on like the Hunter Biden case,
[1:46:07] Speaker 3: who were trying to get Hunter Biden, they were they
[1:46:09] Speaker 3: came in and told him, yeah, stop working on this
[1:46:11] Speaker 3: case and you go work on something else.
[1:46:12] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:46:13] Speaker 3: So like they were leadership takes good, good, honest, you know,
[1:46:17] Speaker 3: law enforcement leadership. officers who want to do a good job.
[1:46:21] Speaker 3: And then you have the administration comes in and says, no,
[1:46:23] Speaker 3: go do this. And this sidetracks them and doesn't allow
[1:46:26] Speaker 3: them to do the job. Right. So that's what we're
[1:46:29] Speaker 3: getting with all these current whistleblowers.
[1:46:30] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:46:31] Speaker 3: With all the modern day whistleblowers in the FBI. Like, hey,
[1:46:33] Speaker 3: I want to do my job and they wouldn't let
[1:46:34] Speaker 3: me do it.
[1:46:34] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:46:35] Speaker 3: Same thing with the IRS. And this goes back to
[1:46:37] Speaker 3: the weaponization of government. But like the fucking Republicans today
[1:46:39] Speaker 3: are talking about it like it's a new thing. Shit.
[1:46:42] Speaker 3: Are you shitting me? What the fuck you call the
[1:46:43] Speaker 3: Warren Commission?
[1:46:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:46:45] Speaker 3: That's the weaponization of government.
[1:46:47] Speaker 1: Something else that's become very apparent is that the Five
[1:46:50] Speaker 1: Eyes are indeed just one faction operating through different jurisdictions.
[1:46:57] Speaker 1: One will be able to perform actions that the other
[1:47:00] Speaker 1: won't be able to do in certain countries, but they
[1:47:03] Speaker 1: all answer to the same entities.
[1:47:06] Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, they sure do. But then you have to
[1:47:11] Speaker 3: think the intelligence agencies don't work for us, and I
[1:47:13] Speaker 3: don't believe the military works for us either.
[1:47:16] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:47:17] Speaker 3: At all. They work for foreign corporate interests.
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: Right on. Now, let's get to some of the other,
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: is there any more revelations that we need to cover
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: that from your, since the last time we spoke?
[1:47:31] Speaker 3: You know, I do have a bunch in regards to
[1:47:32] Speaker 3: how the shooting on the Knoll went down and how
[1:47:34] Speaker 3: the stuff inside the book depository went down, but those
[1:47:37] Speaker 3: I'm saving for the book. And speaking of the book,
[1:47:41] Speaker 3: let me talk about the book and its release date
[1:47:42] Speaker 3: and all this stuff. So I'm about halfway done with
[1:47:45] Speaker 3: this chapter on Carrie Thornley. Kerry Thornley, who I've said
[1:47:48] Speaker 3: impersonated Oswald all over the place. He was a handler
[1:47:50] Speaker 3: of Oswald. He definitely set up a lot of the
[1:47:53] Speaker 3: alias stuff involving Oswald, like Heidel and Osborn. He was
[1:47:57] Speaker 3: definitely the person seen at the party plotting to assassinate
[1:48:01] Speaker 3: the president that Perry Russo saw him at. That was
[1:48:02] Speaker 3: talked about in the JFK movie. I'm halfway through with
[1:48:06] Speaker 3: this chapter and it's moving along. This chapter will be done,
[1:48:09] Speaker 3: I'd say, at the latest this time next week. And
[1:48:16] Speaker 3: then the only chapter I have left is the chapter
[1:48:18] Speaker 3: on Jack Valente and where I'm kind of conflicted with
[1:48:21] Speaker 3: the Jack Valente chapter is because Jack Valente deserves a
[1:48:24] Speaker 3: book unto himself. And unfortunately, I don't have enough information
[1:48:27] Speaker 3: to write that book. But I have far more information
[1:48:30] Speaker 3: on Jack Valente that I could explain in a single chapter.
[1:48:33] Speaker 3: So I have this kind of problem that I have
[1:48:35] Speaker 3: to summarize this chapter, show Jack Valente's involvement, how he
[1:48:38] Speaker 3: was the shooter on the grass, you know, and... I
[1:48:41] Speaker 3: have to do it, you know, in about 10,000 words,
[1:48:43] Speaker 3: whereas I really need about 50,000 words to do it.
[1:48:46] Speaker 3: And I can't do that in this book. So I'm
[1:48:48] Speaker 3: same thing with Carrie Thornley. I need about 50,000 words
[1:48:51] Speaker 3: just to write all the stuff on Thornley and I
[1:48:53] Speaker 3: need to make it about 10,000 words.
[1:48:55] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:48:55] Speaker 3: So I'm sitting at about, I need about 15,000 words
[1:48:57] Speaker 3: and it'll finish this book, but I'll have to edit
[1:49:00] Speaker 3: down the information to enough that it's digestible. People don't
[1:49:03] Speaker 3: understand it, make the point I need to make without
[1:49:05] Speaker 3: giving away everything because it really deserves a book onto itself.
[1:49:10] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:49:10] Speaker 3: So, Right off the bat, as soon as I'm done,
[1:49:14] Speaker 3: I already have six, seven chapters in my head that
[1:49:18] Speaker 3: I know will go into the next book.
[1:49:22] Speaker 1: It seems like it's getting very hard. to perfect and
[1:49:27] Speaker 1: even carry out some of the psychological cooperations. The same
[1:49:31] Speaker 1: things that we would have seen during that Kennedy era
[1:49:34] Speaker 1: are being outed now because of technology, because of the
[1:49:39] Speaker 1: ease of access. The internet was a big factor, but
[1:49:41] Speaker 1: now they're trying to reel back on it because they
[1:49:43] Speaker 1: realize that they're fucking up, basically, that there's more people
[1:49:48] Speaker 1: that are realizing the game than ever, and they can't
[1:49:51] Speaker 1: carry out these operations like they used to, it seems.
[1:49:55] Speaker 3: You are 100% correct. And the next step is outright
[1:50:02] Speaker 3: censorship and turning information into a crime. I want to
[1:50:08] Speaker 3: screen share something with you real quick because I just
[1:50:10] Speaker 3: discovered this. This has been out for three years already,
[1:50:14] Speaker 3: but I heard this mentioned in a government symposium recently.
[1:50:20] Speaker 3: And so this I feel is going to be the
[1:50:22] Speaker 3: next big thing. And this is going to be how
[1:50:25] Speaker 3: Let me see where this is going to be, how
[1:50:27] Speaker 3: they end up achieving their ends. So. Can you see
[1:50:35] Speaker 3: what I'm sharing? Yeah. All right. So I found this.
[1:50:38] Speaker 3: This is an actual paper written on what is called
[1:50:41] Speaker 3: information disorder syndrome and its management. Let me say that again.
[1:50:47] Speaker 3: Information disorder syndrome and its management. I'll read some of
[1:50:53] Speaker 3: this abstract.
[1:50:54] Speaker 1: Sounds like Trump derangement syndrome or some.
[1:50:56] Speaker 3: Correct. Correct. Many of us may be unknowingly suffering from
[1:50:59] Speaker 3: information disorder syndrome. It is more prevalent due to the
[1:51:02] Speaker 3: digitized world where the information flows to every individual's phone,
[1:51:06] Speaker 3: tablet and computer in no time. Information disorder syndrome is
[1:51:10] Speaker 3: the sharing or developing of false information with or without
[1:51:13] Speaker 3: the intent of harming as they are categorized as misinformation,
[1:51:17] Speaker 3: disinformation and malinformation. The severity of the syndrome is categorized
[1:51:21] Speaker 3: into three grades. Grade one is a milder form, which
[1:51:25] Speaker 3: the individual shares false information without the intent of harming others.
[1:51:29] Speaker 3: Grade two is a moderate form in which the individual
[1:51:31] Speaker 3: develops and shares false information with the intent of making
[1:51:34] Speaker 3: money and political gain, but not with the intent of
[1:51:36] Speaker 3: harming people. And grade three is a severe form in
[1:51:39] Speaker 3: which the individual develops and shares false information with the
[1:51:43] Speaker 3: intent of harming others. The management of this disorder requires
[1:51:47] Speaker 3: the management of false information, which is rumor surveillance, targeted messaging,
[1:51:52] Speaker 3: and community engagement. Repeated sufferers at the grade one level,
[1:51:56] Speaker 3: all sufferers from grade two and three need psychosocial counseling
[1:52:00] Speaker 3: and sometimes require strong regulations and enforcement to control such
[1:52:03] Speaker 3: information disorder. The most critical intervention is to be mindful
[1:52:07] Speaker 3: of the fact that not all posts in social media
[1:52:09] Speaker 3: and news are real and need to be interpreted carefully.
[1:52:13] Speaker 3: So the... They're starting to turn us pushing out factual information.
[1:52:18] Speaker 3: They're turning that into a disorder that they'll be able
[1:52:19] Speaker 3: to lock us up for.
[1:52:20] Speaker 1: Well, this is scary because this coincides with the laws
[1:52:24] Speaker 1: that they're trying to pass regarding domestic terrorism and who
[1:52:28] Speaker 1: they can declare domestic terrorists. I think this all is
[1:52:32] Speaker 1: going to go together as an attack on free thinkers
[1:52:36] Speaker 1: and on people who are questioning the narrative. And that
[1:52:40] Speaker 1: calls on us.
[1:52:41] Speaker 3: And you know what that's going to lead to? That's
[1:52:43] Speaker 3: going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because at some point
[1:52:46] Speaker 3: in time, people are going to say, if I'm going
[1:52:50] Speaker 3: to do the crime, if I'm going to do the time,
[1:52:53] Speaker 3: I might as well do the crime. That's the fucking
[1:52:56] Speaker 3: attitude that people will eventually lead to. If people know
[1:52:59] Speaker 3: that they're ultimately going to be thrown in jail for
[1:53:01] Speaker 3: publishing their information, knowing that they'll go to jail, eventually
[1:53:06] Speaker 3: they're just going to turn to blowing things up. Because
[1:53:10] Speaker 3: that's the crime they're going to go to jail for.
[1:53:12] Speaker 3: So they might as well do the crime, right? So, yeah,
[1:53:15] Speaker 3: it's ridiculous what they're doing. It's nonsensical. All this stuff
[1:53:18] Speaker 3: will be overturned in courts if it ever gets that far.
[1:53:21] Speaker 3: But it doesn't matter because it will influence the mind
[1:53:23] Speaker 3: of the population on a large scale. And it will
[1:53:26] Speaker 3: become part of the zeitgeist, so to speak.
[1:53:33] Speaker 1: It seems like we're in a lull for fear campaigns
[1:53:36] Speaker 1: right now. We're in between... The COVID jabs and the
[1:53:40] Speaker 1: next big thing. I thought for a while we would
[1:53:43] Speaker 1: see a fake UFO invasion, but I don't know. It
[1:53:46] Speaker 1: seems like they spent way too much time and energy
[1:53:48] Speaker 1: and money into the whole jabs and boosters and COVID
[1:53:54] Speaker 1: agenda to let that just fall apart. Do you see
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: a pandemic, too, in the future?
[1:53:59] Speaker 3: No, because nobody's going to buy it.
[1:54:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody's going to buy that.
[1:54:03] Speaker 3: You're full of shit, you know what I mean?
[1:54:06] Speaker 2: What?
[1:54:07] Speaker 3: See, I'm black billed. I'm the worst person to ask
[1:54:10] Speaker 3: about where's our future going? Because if you ask me,
[1:54:13] Speaker 3: everyone needs to get guns because they're eventually going to
[1:54:15] Speaker 3: come for you and you need to shoot whoever comes
[1:54:16] Speaker 3: for you. That's my opinion on it. And that's what's
[1:54:20] Speaker 3: going to kick off a revolution in this country. The
[1:54:22] Speaker 3: cops are going to go for somebody they shouldn't go for.
[1:54:24] Speaker 3: Someone's going to fight back and kill the cops. There's
[1:54:26] Speaker 3: going to be a big standoff. It's going to hit
[1:54:28] Speaker 3: the news. Then there's going to be a big debate
[1:54:30] Speaker 3: over the civil rights violations of the cops trying to
[1:54:33] Speaker 3: be there in the first place. And a revolution will spark.
[1:54:36] Speaker 1: What do you think about RFK? I want to get
[1:54:39] Speaker 1: your thoughts on this, dude. There's people that still have
[1:54:42] Speaker 1: the political savior complex, like some Muppet in office is
[1:54:47] Speaker 1: going to make a difference about anything, and that's just
[1:54:49] Speaker 1: the way I feel about it. But what do you think?
[1:54:52] Speaker 3: I think he means well. I think he's true in
[1:54:54] Speaker 3: what he says. I think it's historic that a Kennedy
[1:54:57] Speaker 3: is running for president. People don't understand. People don't understand
[1:55:01] Speaker 3: how historic it is, how important it is for America.
[1:55:04] Speaker 3: what it's saying about America and the implications in regards
[1:55:07] Speaker 3: to the Kennedy assassination. Like when you understand who the
[1:55:10] Speaker 3: Kennedys were and why Kennedy was fucking killed in the
[1:55:12] Speaker 3: first place. And then you see that all Kennedys were
[1:55:15] Speaker 3: killed or warned because Ed Kennedy, Edward Kennedy, the Chappaquiddick
[1:55:19] Speaker 3: and the running off the road.
[1:55:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:55:22] Speaker 3: He was run off the road. He wasn't drunk and
[1:55:24] Speaker 3: drove off the road. He was run off the road.
[1:55:26] Speaker 3: It was a warning to him to not step out
[1:55:28] Speaker 3: of line like his brothers.
[1:55:29] Speaker 1: So that being said, do you think there's any way
[1:55:32] Speaker 1: this dude would ever possibly be allowed to get into
[1:55:35] Speaker 1: that position? I don't see that ever happening.
[1:55:38] Speaker 3: Honestly, we're entering into uncharted territory. I don't understand. I
[1:55:44] Speaker 3: don't know. Honestly, I don't know what's happening right now.
[1:55:46] Speaker 1: Well, there is a lot of crumbling of systems because
[1:55:50] Speaker 1: of the mistakes that are being made at these elite levels.
[1:55:53] Speaker 1: I think they tried to roll everything out too fast.
[1:55:57] Speaker 1: And there's a lot of these agendas that are crumbling
[1:56:00] Speaker 1: right in front of their faces. And this is causing
[1:56:03] Speaker 1: people to question every other narrative that they put forward.
[1:56:06] Speaker 1: So we are in a very interesting place right now.
[1:56:10] Speaker 1: With the amount of people that have... raises an eyebrow at,
[1:56:14] Speaker 1: at some of the stuff that's going on just alone.
[1:56:17] Speaker 1: It puts us in an interesting place.
[1:56:19] Speaker 3: Yes. Um, I'm oddly optimistic for the next election, but
[1:56:26] Speaker 3: you know, I'm just one of these guys who just
[1:56:28] Speaker 3: wants to see it all burn. So like I said,
[1:56:31] Speaker 3: like I'm the worst guy to give actual, you know,
[1:56:34] Speaker 3: helpful commentary.
[1:56:34] Speaker 1: I just think, you know, if they, if they ever
[1:56:37] Speaker 1: would allow someone that has good intentions to towards us,
[1:56:42] Speaker 1: the people in there that it would end up immediately
[1:56:45] Speaker 1: like JFK, but I don't think they do. I thought,
[1:56:48] Speaker 1: I think they thought they had control over Trump and
[1:56:50] Speaker 1: maybe he got cocky and tried to, to do something.
[1:56:55] Speaker 1: But again, he was shut down. I don't think this
[1:56:58] Speaker 1: is real.
[1:56:59] Speaker 3: If we were going to have anything, any kind of
[1:57:00] Speaker 3: success in this country, there would have to be a
[1:57:02] Speaker 3: coup and it would have to involve the military and
[1:57:04] Speaker 3: it would have to be like a, like a, like
[1:57:07] Speaker 3: a benevolent coup, right? Like, Because number one, you'd have
[1:57:10] Speaker 3: to shut down the CIA entirely, like entirely. Even if
[1:57:14] Speaker 3: it was just a restructuring, everybody needs to go. 100%
[1:57:17] Speaker 3: of people. Like if you're hired at the CIA, you've
[1:57:19] Speaker 3: got to go. And in order to do that, you
[1:57:21] Speaker 3: need to have massive amounts of people to detain people
[1:57:24] Speaker 3: at the building as you're shutting them down. Unless you
[1:57:26] Speaker 3: were to do it slow and subtly. But then if
[1:57:28] Speaker 3: you do it slow and subtly, they'll catch on to
[1:57:29] Speaker 3: what you're doing and they'll come up with a plan
[1:57:31] Speaker 3: to sabotage you, right? So you have to do it
[1:57:33] Speaker 3: all at once. So doing it all at once requires
[1:57:35] Speaker 3: people being taken into custody, requires the military. And if
[1:57:39] Speaker 3: the military knows what you're doing, the leadership of the
[1:57:41] Speaker 3: military is going to not be along with it. So
[1:57:43] Speaker 3: they're going to have to go too. So you're going
[1:57:45] Speaker 3: to have to have a massive plan in place that
[1:57:47] Speaker 3: involves a military coup that will oust the current military leadership,
[1:57:51] Speaker 3: CIA leadership, ATF, all the government three-letter agencies. You would
[1:57:56] Speaker 3: have to have a simultaneous fucking arrest of the leadership
[1:57:59] Speaker 3: all at once, which means you'd have to have people
[1:58:01] Speaker 3: in the U.S. Army who were doing this at a
[1:58:03] Speaker 3: high level who were in with you to begin with,
[1:58:05] Speaker 3: which means they'd be conspiring against their leadership. Right, yeah,
[1:58:08] Speaker 3: there's no way around it. I mean, there's no way
[1:58:11] Speaker 3: around it. That's what would have to happen. Unless you
[1:58:13] Speaker 3: have an overt violent revolution where ex-Navy SEALs storm the
[1:58:16] Speaker 3: White House, take control of everything, right? You'd have to
[1:58:21] Speaker 3: have them take control of all the law enforcement too.
[1:58:22] Speaker 3: So you'd need a mass, you'd need an army, basically,
[1:58:26] Speaker 3: you know, an army. It's not possible. You know, the
[1:58:28] Speaker 3: best we can hope for is that we're defeated in
[1:58:30] Speaker 3: a war by Russia and that Russia allows us to
[1:58:33] Speaker 3: restructure in a way that is not horrible.
[1:58:37] Speaker 1: Oh, man. That is.
[1:58:39] Speaker 3: I don't see an alternative.
[1:58:41] Speaker 1: That's that's pretty bleak, man. But hey, I like to
[1:58:44] Speaker 1: have some hope in it. But if we are going
[1:58:45] Speaker 1: to be invaded by Russians, it better be the hot
[1:58:48] Speaker 1: Russians in bikinis.
[1:58:49] Speaker 3: That's all.
[1:58:49] Speaker 1: That's all I got to say, man.
[1:58:51] Speaker 3: My favorite kind. All right.
[1:58:53] Speaker 1: Let's any any other revelations we need to go over
[1:58:56] Speaker 1: before we close out?
[1:58:58] Speaker 3: No, but the revelation that everyone at home should have
[1:59:00] Speaker 3: is that my book has been available for pre-order for
[1:59:03] Speaker 3: a while now. And that pre-order is going to be
[1:59:05] Speaker 3: coming to an end probably in the next month or so,
[1:59:09] Speaker 3: because I'm going to leave a little bit of, there's
[1:59:11] Speaker 3: going to be a couple of week gap between the
[1:59:13] Speaker 3: time the pre-order is done and the book is actually
[1:59:15] Speaker 3: available for sale. So you probably got about a month
[1:59:17] Speaker 3: to do the pre-order for 25 bucks. You get four chapters,
[1:59:20] Speaker 3: you get my complete notes and you get a pre-order
[1:59:22] Speaker 3: copy of the ebook when it's available. which I'll be
[1:59:25] Speaker 3: just mailing to everybody who pre-orders it. Once that is
[1:59:29] Speaker 3: over with and the book is available for sale, you'll
[1:59:32] Speaker 3: be able to get the book for the same price, 20,
[1:59:34] Speaker 3: 25 bucks. I haven't decided the pricing on that yet.
[1:59:37] Speaker 3: But in order to get my notes or any of
[1:59:38] Speaker 3: the other perks and stuff, it's going to cost them
[1:59:40] Speaker 3: a significant amount of money more. So anybody interested in
[1:59:44] Speaker 3: getting my notes? My notes are really the thing. My
[1:59:46] Speaker 3: notes are worth, they're priceless. It's got everything in there.
[1:59:49] Speaker 3: Stuff that's not even in this book. Tons of stuff
[1:59:51] Speaker 3: is not even, it's probably the notes for the next
[1:59:53] Speaker 3: two books also. You know, you get that for $ 25
[1:59:55] Speaker 3: when you pre-order. When the book actually comes out, you'll
[1:59:58] Speaker 3: be able to get that, but it's going to be
[2:00:00] Speaker 3: significantly more expensive.
[2:00:02] Speaker 1: Right on, right on. Corey, thank you so much. Let
[2:00:05] Speaker 1: everyone know where they can find all your other stuff,
[2:00:09] Speaker 1: like your website and all the shows you host.
[2:00:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, so go to CoreyHughes.org. It's got everything. But I
[2:00:14] Speaker 3: started about a month ago at Daily, which I've actually
[2:00:16] Speaker 3: done 25 episodes in a month. Crazy. It's about 50 hours,
[2:00:21] Speaker 3: almost 50 hours, 45 hours worth of... minute detail on Kennedy.
[2:00:27] Speaker 3: It's called Corey's Bloody History. It's on podcast platforms and
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[2:00:32] Speaker 3: the absolute best Kennedy show that's ever been. It's the
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[2:00:57] Speaker 1: Awesome.
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[2:00:58] Speaker 1: All right, Corey, thank you so much. We'll do it
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