# The Kawhi Gamble, Top Remaining Free Agents & Is LeBron On LinkedIn?

An episode of [No Dunks](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1468409996), 1 Jul 2026, 1 h 07 min.

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On Wed.'s No Dunks, the guys discuss the latest NBA free agency news: John Collins to the Pistons, Norman Powell to the Bulls, Marcus Smart to the Rockets, and more. That, plus why the Raptors trading for Kawhi Leonard is worth the risk, LeBron James' next team, Jaylen Brown's tepid trade market, NBA Cup details, Ben Simmons wants to return to the league, and more. 💸 Watch our 2026 NBA Free Agency Special: https://bit.ly/4wapAVA ✍️ No Dunks' Substack has ad-free episodes: https://nodunks.substack.com/ 👕 Fix up, look sharp in No Dunks merch: https://bit.ly/4qi6nin 📈 Subscribe to No Dunks on YouTube: YouTube.com/nodunksinc 𝕏 Follow No Dunks on Twitter/X: https://x.com/NoDunksInc 📸 Follow No Dunks on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nodunksinc/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[0:44] Speaker 1: five star ratings and reviews. On today's show, the NBA
[0:48] Speaker 1: Cup groups have been announced. Yes, the weirdest timing ever
[0:52] Speaker 1: with these, but we'll get into them. We'll play a
[0:55] Speaker 1: little is this news as well? But first we got
[0:58] Speaker 1: more NBA free agency moves to address here. Since we
[1:02] Speaker 1: logged off from our special last night, a number of
[1:05] Speaker 1: things have happened in no particular order. Okay, I want
[1:08] Speaker 1: to hit you with a few. And then we got
[1:10] Speaker 1: some free agency questions to address. Norman Powell Storm and
[1:14] Speaker 1: Norman go into your Chicago bulls tray. That's right, two years,
[1:18] Speaker 1: forty five million dollar deal. Zach Collins also agreeing to
[1:22] Speaker 1: a two year seventeen million dollar contract extension with Chicago.
[1:26] Speaker 1: John Collins the Baptist. He agreed to a three year
[1:30] Speaker 1: fifty one million dollar deal with the Pistons.
[1:32] Speaker 2: Don't like that one.
[1:33] Speaker 1: We got Marcus Smart agreeing to a two year thirteen
[1:36] Speaker 1: million dollar deal with the Rockets. Bogdan Bogdanovich is going
[1:40] Speaker 1: to also join him there in Houston on a one
[1:41] Speaker 1: year deal. Dean Wade he agreed to a four year
[1:45] Speaker 1: thirty nine million dollar deal with the Sixers, and we
[1:49] Speaker 1: just learned Ariel hock Party will join him on a
[1:51] Speaker 1: one year, three point four million dollar deal in Philly.
[1:55] Speaker 1: What else? Kean Ellis going to the Nets two years
[1:58] Speaker 1: eighteen million funny deal that we'll get into it. Maybe
[2:01] Speaker 1: Luke Kennard going to the Suns two year thirteen million,
[2:05] Speaker 1: Brandon Carlson going to the Blazers on a cheap deal.
[2:08] Speaker 1: Kobe Sanders agreeing to a four year, eleven point two
[2:10] Speaker 1: million dollar deal with the Clippers. I think that's about it.
[2:15] Speaker 3: I saw Brandon Carlson. So we're pretty deep here. There
[2:17] Speaker 3: was a lot of.
[2:18] Speaker 1: White guys getting paid. Last night we had like a
[2:20] Speaker 1: white guy run. It's incredible.
[2:22] Speaker 3: They knew it was Canada Day coming up.
[2:25] Speaker 1: So I want you to tell me from all of those,
[2:29] Speaker 1: what's the most interesting signing again since we logged off
[2:33] Speaker 1: of our NBA free agency special.
[2:35] Speaker 2: I'll start with John Collins going to the Detroit Pistons,
[2:38] Speaker 2: because this means he's their starting power forward, as Sham's reported,
[2:42] Speaker 2: taking the role of Tobias Harris, who was their second
[2:44] Speaker 2: best scorer in the playoffs. They needed him, They needed
[2:48] Speaker 2: Tobias in the mid range. Just give it to him
[2:50] Speaker 2: and score. John Collins is not a score, of course,
[2:53] Speaker 2: he's a really good rim runner. But I do find
[2:55] Speaker 2: this odd and I find this not positive for the
[3:00] Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons. Again, they need a second score. And so
[3:02] Speaker 2: you can look at John Collins number and say, oh,
[3:04] Speaker 2: he shoots the three, but really he's a corner three shooter.
[3:07] Speaker 2: About two thirds of his threes come from the corners.
[3:09] Speaker 2: And when you saw the Pistons play, they needed to
[3:12] Speaker 2: space it out and so they gave it to Tobias above
[3:14] Speaker 2: the break for a threes that didn't always work out.
[3:16] Speaker 2: It's not really going to work out with John Collins.
[3:18] Speaker 2: They need more space down there. You look at this team, now,
[3:22] Speaker 2: what are they They don't have their two centers currently.
[3:25] Speaker 2: They traded away Isaiah Stewart, who's kind of their heart
[3:27] Speaker 2: and soul. They don't know what's going on with Jalen Duran.
[3:30] Speaker 2: Really their team is Kid, then Duncan Robinson beside him.
[3:33] Speaker 2: I'm sure they're going to bring us our Thompson back
[3:35] Speaker 2: on a new deal, and then John Collins. And who's
[3:38] Speaker 2: their center? I mean, they got totally Smith coming back.
[3:41] Speaker 2: And then their bench is Carroslvert, Dannis Jenkins, Kevin Hurder,
[3:45] Speaker 2: Paul Reid. So I think this is bad news for
[3:48] Speaker 2: the Detroit Pistons, good news for John Collins getting a
[3:51] Speaker 2: big contract. Good news probably for the Toronto Raptors who
[3:53] Speaker 2: are looking up at the Eastern Conference standings and seeing
[3:55] Speaker 2: the sixty win team looked totally different than last year
[3:58] Speaker 2: in the Detroit Pistons don't like it? Oh really for
[4:00] Speaker 2: spacing out there a lot on Kid's shoulders.
[4:02] Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I'm with you. I actually like the fit,
[4:05] Speaker 3: okay with John Collins, Like you're saying he can make
[4:07] Speaker 3: a wide open three, he can play small ball five
[4:09] Speaker 3: and rim run if they need. But the lack of
[4:12] Speaker 3: self creation compared to Tobias Harris is an absolute downgrade
[4:17] Speaker 3: for Detroit, And like Tobias Harris, isn't that greatest shakes.
[4:20] Speaker 3: You're talking about a guy who's never been an All
[4:22] Speaker 3: Star getting replaced by another guy who's never been an
[4:25] Speaker 3: All Star, never will be an All Star. So I
[4:27] Speaker 3: think that the Pistons have just kind of moved sideways
[4:30] Speaker 3: so far. Yeah, I mean, there were the one seed
[4:31] Speaker 3: last year. They did win a playoff series for the
[4:33] Speaker 3: first time in more than a decade, so you're still
[4:37] Speaker 3: at least on the right trajectory. But this seemed like
[4:39] Speaker 3: a season or the way the playoffs went, we all
[4:42] Speaker 3: talked at the trade deadline like you didn't make a move, Fine,
[4:44] Speaker 3: you figured out what you needed after losing in the playoffs,
[4:47] Speaker 3: And thus far they haven't addressed it at all, and
[4:52] Speaker 3: at the very least, it feels like a lateral move
[4:54] Speaker 3: to me. So I thought John Collins was going to
[4:56] Speaker 3: be in demand this offseason because there are a bunch
[4:59] Speaker 3: of teams that need a like Detroit obviously did. But
[5:02] Speaker 3: the Lakers could have used John Collins, the Spurs, the Timberwolves,
[5:06] Speaker 3: there are a lot of teams out there. I guess
[5:08] Speaker 3: this is the best he could do. Seventeen million dollars
[5:10] Speaker 3: average annual value, which is pretty solid for a guy
[5:13] Speaker 3: that's still somehow not even thirty years old. Like we've
[5:15] Speaker 3: talked about John Collins every transaction period for at least
[5:20] Speaker 3: six seasons straight. Yeah, and he's not even thirty yet.
[5:22] Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense to me. But this is just
[5:24] Speaker 3: kind of a sideways move and a little disappointing for Detroit.
[5:27] Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, still big TVD on the jail enduring
[5:29] Speaker 1: contract and whether you know they're gonna be matching what
[5:32] Speaker 1: that looks like. But I'm looking ahead here, either too
[5:35] Speaker 1: Fridays Drop podcast or next week when everybody starts doing
[5:39] Speaker 1: winners and losers from free agency or grades for all
[5:42] Speaker 1: the teams in free agency. It's not looking good for
[5:45] Speaker 1: the Pistons right now. They're gonna be on a lot
[5:47] Speaker 1: of losers list. They're gonna get a lot of C
[5:50] Speaker 1: minuses in DEDs as currently constructed to get waiting on Durham.
[5:54] Speaker 1: But this, I'm with you, guys. He's just not another
[5:57] Speaker 1: creator really, I mean, yeah, he can hit us three,
[6:00] Speaker 1: but and maybe the rim run. But they need more
[6:03] Speaker 1: than that what we saw in the playoffs. They need
[6:04] Speaker 1: way more alongside Kayan Countyham and so far not great here.
[6:09] Speaker 2: Even if they resigned Duran, it's a step back. I mean,
[6:12] Speaker 2: Tobias Harris is a better score as a secondary option.
[6:15] Speaker 2: And so yes, no matter what happens, even getting as
[6:19] Speaker 2: I mentioned, getting rid of Isaiah Stewart, maybe that move
[6:22] Speaker 2: was in hopes of getting Kawhi Leonard or getting some
[6:25] Speaker 2: other huge name, but that has not happened. And so yeah,
[6:29] Speaker 2: this is this is negative for the Pistons overall.
[6:32] Speaker 1: All right, what else was interesting to you? Do you
[6:34] Speaker 1: want to talk about your.
[6:35] Speaker 3: Chicago bull About the Bulls. Yeah, the only team that's
[6:37] Speaker 3: going to sign an all star very free agency.
[6:40] Speaker 1: Fantastic, that is true, actually true.
[6:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, Norm Powell the.
[6:43] Speaker 2: Best player that's going to change going to sign Lebron.
[6:45] Speaker 3: Via free agency. Somebody is going to sign I forgot
[6:49] Speaker 3: about that. But he's not signed yet.
[6:52] Speaker 1: Maybe they'll go to the Bulls down, maybe he will.
[6:55] Speaker 3: The Bulls needed three point shooting, they needed veteranship. Norm
[6:58] Speaker 3: Powell apparently has to play for a team that whereas
[7:00] Speaker 3: Red and Black, he will now chuck off all four
[7:02] Speaker 3: in the NBA Toronto, Portland, Miami, Chicago. That's all red
[7:06] Speaker 3: and black teams right now. Well done, Norm, Yeah, he
[7:08] Speaker 3: never has to change his shoe color ever. Just send
[7:12] Speaker 3: him all down from the Raptors days and look, he
[7:15] Speaker 3: fills a hole for the team. They gave him the
[7:17] Speaker 3: Bruce Brown balloon payment with a one plus one so
[7:20] Speaker 3: they maintain flexibility going into next offseason. Not to mention
[7:23] Speaker 3: it the trade deadline if somebody's interested in Norm Powell,
[7:26] Speaker 3: Who's not going to be a long term piece for
[7:28] Speaker 3: this Bulls team at thirty three years old. So I
[7:31] Speaker 3: think the Bulls are doing a weird job. Like I
[7:33] Speaker 3: wasn't super impressed with bringing back Zach Collins, but he's
[7:38] Speaker 3: a tradable salary as well. He's on this same one
[7:40] Speaker 3: plus one deal that Norman Powell is. And I think
[7:43] Speaker 3: the Bulls are looking good to be one of the
[7:45] Speaker 3: worst teams in the league while not being the absolute
[7:48] Speaker 3: worst team in the league. And that's where you want
[7:50] Speaker 3: to be. You want to be the fifth worst team
[7:52] Speaker 3: in the league. I think the Bulls could definitely do
[7:53] Speaker 3: that as a fun fast, bad team.
[7:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you hope for that and then hope you
[7:58] Speaker 2: get the number one pick because of that. The Bruce
[8:01] Speaker 2: Brown contract, in comparison when he signed with the Pacers
[8:04] Speaker 2: in twenty three is the perfect comparison. It's the exact
[8:06] Speaker 2: same money, two years and forty five million dollars, and
[8:09] Speaker 2: I think the Bulls are expecting and hoping for the
[8:11] Speaker 2: exact same thing. Bruce Brown was traded that season in
[8:14] Speaker 2: part for Pascal Siakam to the Pacer or to the Raptors.
[8:18] Speaker 2: It was Bruce Brown and picks, and I'm sure the
[8:21] Speaker 2: Bulls are going to try and sweeten the pot with
[8:23] Speaker 2: some picks to get another star like Pascal Siakim wants
[8:26] Speaker 2: to come back. That's exactly what this this move is for.
[8:28] Speaker 3: Well, I help they don't. I hope they don't trade
[8:30] Speaker 3: picks along Norm Powell. They're not close. I mean, we'll
[8:33] Speaker 3: see what the player would be. But unless it's like
[8:35] Speaker 3: Aunt deciding who wants out.
[8:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, this is bringing This is bringing a pro here
[8:41] Speaker 1: to you know, who's obviously well established and has blossomed
[8:45] Speaker 1: into an all star later in his career, to help
[8:48] Speaker 1: out the young guys and to see who is the
[8:50] Speaker 1: building blocks of the future here because their lineup and
[8:53] Speaker 1: their depth chart. It is Josh Giddy, it's Norman Powell,
[8:57] Speaker 1: it's Bouzellis, Caleb Wilson, obviously they're high draft pick here,
[9:00] Speaker 1: Nick Claxton, who they acquired here over the last couple
[9:03] Speaker 1: of weeks. And then my guy, Leonard Miller of course
[9:06] Speaker 1: on the bench. Patrick Williams is still there. Their other
[9:08] Speaker 1: pick and swayin, I guess it's a Jalen Smith. How
[9:14] Speaker 1: do you look.
[9:16] Speaker 3: The same? I like I saw. I saw him from
[9:18] Speaker 3: a distance. I said, oh, that's an NBA player, and
[9:21] Speaker 3: then I saw his glasses and I got a little closer.
[9:23] Speaker 3: I said, A definitely Jones. I guess he's gonna come.
[9:25] Speaker 1: Back, Okay, yeah, uh and then uh, well, anthrety Simon's right,
[9:29] Speaker 1: I guess he is still on the well, not technically
[9:32] Speaker 1: still in the chruggle Bulls, but they could. They will
[9:37] Speaker 1: a bad team, like not a great team in the
[9:40] Speaker 1: Eastern Conference, but again, they had the space. This is
[9:43] Speaker 1: not a long term deal. He's going to obviously score
[9:45] Speaker 1: twenty plus points per game. I wouldn't see why you
[9:47] Speaker 1: wouldn't do it here on this team. You know, they
[9:50] Speaker 1: needed a guard that could score alongside some of these
[9:52] Speaker 1: guys because they're they're they're guys that are hoping that
[9:55] Speaker 1: pop offer forwards here in bozellis growing. And then then
[9:58] Speaker 1: of Caleb Wilson.
[9:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little surprising he doesn't go back to
[10:01] Speaker 2: Miami because they're shallow and they could use his scoring.
[10:04] Speaker 1: They just didn't have the money.
[10:05] Speaker 2: They didn't have the money.
[10:05] Speaker 1: Again, we talked about that on last night's show. It's
[10:07] Speaker 1: like he's at this point of his career. Come on, man,
[10:10] Speaker 1: this is a big, big deal for him. Oh yeah,
[10:12] Speaker 1: for sure, and they could not even come closerly to
[10:14] Speaker 1: it in Miami.
[10:15] Speaker 2: You know, he'll be replaced by Tim Hardaway, who they
[10:18] Speaker 2: signed yesterday to that six point four million dollars. Good
[10:22] Speaker 2: for Timmy going where daddy played there in Miami and.
[10:25] Speaker 1: Dad said, he's not wearing his jersey.
[10:28] Speaker 2: Okay, he wouldn't allow that.
[10:30] Speaker 1: I saw a clip going around. I don't know when
[10:32] Speaker 1: it was from, but he was asked about it once
[10:34] Speaker 1: upon a time and he's like, no, he's not wearing ten.
[10:37] Speaker 1: So this will not be a Larry Nance situation. Didn't
[10:41] Speaker 1: Larry Nance Senior give Larry Nance Junior as jerseys.
[10:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, Larry Nance Junior got traded to the CAZI, He's like,
[10:47] Speaker 3: I'm not wearing my dad's jersey, and then everybody's like,
[10:49] Speaker 3: you better wear.
[10:50] Speaker 1: Your jersey made.
[10:54] Speaker 3: It is crazy, though, because Tim Hardaway Senior played for
[10:58] Speaker 3: the Warriors, the Heat, the Mavericks, the Nuggets, the Pacers,
[11:03] Speaker 3: and now Tim Hardaway Junior will have played for the Heat,
[11:06] Speaker 3: the Nuggets, and the Mavericks. Okay, so he's got a
[11:09] Speaker 3: couple of He hasn't played for a lot of his
[11:11] Speaker 3: dad's He's worn his jersey basically everywhere except for apparently
[11:14] Speaker 3: here in.
[11:15] Speaker 1: Miami, where it is retired.
[11:17] Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I guess that's the reason I can
[11:21] Speaker 2: get out of it if they wanted, right, you can
[11:23] Speaker 2: always get down.
[11:26] Speaker 1: What about any of these other moves that interest you either.
[11:29] Speaker 1: Marcus Martin wa I mean.
[11:31] Speaker 2: Marcus Smart going to the team that he just stuck
[11:33] Speaker 2: the dagger in their back in Game three of that
[11:35] Speaker 2: first round series where he was awesome for the Los
[11:38] Speaker 2: Angeles Lakers against the Houston Rockets. That steal at the
[11:41] Speaker 2: end of the Game three and at the end of
[11:43] Speaker 2: regulation he was great, So a little insurance for the
[11:47] Speaker 2: Houston Rockets in case Fred van Vliet is an awesome
[11:49] Speaker 2: coming back from injury, so there's that part good for
[11:53] Speaker 2: them overall, you know, reuniting with him ay Udoka cool
[11:57] Speaker 2: uh and them getting bogged down bogdaviach also interesting. I
[12:01] Speaker 2: thought he would be going to Denver team up with
[12:04] Speaker 2: Nikola Jokich, who was busy singing Serbian music right now
[12:07] Speaker 2: in Europe as he gets prepared to play World Championship qualifiers.
[12:13] Speaker 2: Just a veteran minimum for bogged down bognomis pretty cheap.
[12:17] Speaker 2: But the Nuggets is a huge question overall what they're doing.
[12:21] Speaker 2: We'll get to Peyton Watson a little bit later, but
[12:22] Speaker 2: the biggest rumor that I've seen is basically, David Adaman,
[12:26] Speaker 2: their head coach, is going to get an experienced assistant
[12:28] Speaker 2: coach beside him. That's it. What else is there? There's
[12:31] Speaker 2: there's oh we might trade this guy, Oh we might.
[12:33] Speaker 1: Trade this Brown trade rumors.
[12:34] Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, drastic, yeah, yeah. Some of their players
[12:38] Speaker 2: were with Michael Porter Junior for his twenty eighth birthday
[12:41] Speaker 2: party yesterday. That's something, but nothing with the player. Nothing
[12:44] Speaker 2: real established with the players, like who they're trading, so
[12:47] Speaker 2: they could retain Peyton Watson. Other than that, yeah, that's
[12:51] Speaker 2: a that's an interesting scenario there. But the Rockets get
[12:53] Speaker 2: a little stronger.
[12:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ellis I think a whole on I think
[12:57] Speaker 3: the Rockets moves are kind of weird. I don't think
[12:58] Speaker 3: that they needed more veterans at all, and definitely not
[13:02] Speaker 3: like in Smart, a streaky shooter. This just seems like
[13:07] Speaker 3: emy uduk is picking one of his favorite guys in
[13:09] Speaker 3: the league and spending their very little assets to go
[13:13] Speaker 3: after him. Bogdanovic I have zero faith in being able
[13:16] Speaker 3: to get healthy enough to really contribute. He's even a
[13:18] Speaker 3: worse signing than Smart to me. I just think this
[13:21] Speaker 3: is a weird choice from Houston, completely not addressing what
[13:24] Speaker 3: they need going forward. They're getting Fred van Vliebeck. They've
[13:28] Speaker 3: drifted re Shephard number three. We just went through a
[13:30] Speaker 3: whole season of will he play, won't he play? Now
[13:32] Speaker 3: we know Fred's coming back, Red should still be somewhat
[13:35] Speaker 3: in the mix for this team, and now they're bringing
[13:37] Speaker 3: Smart in. I think this is weird, and I actually
[13:39] Speaker 3: think it's even worse for the Lakers. Smart gon Canard gone.
[13:42] Speaker 3: They're gonna lose Lebron, They're probably gonna lose Ruey Hachimura.
[13:45] Speaker 3: They have been linked to Mamu, Kelly Ubray, Quentin Grimes,
[13:49] Speaker 3: and then one of either Kesler or Durhan. That's just
[13:51] Speaker 3: not enough for a team that's allegedly trying to win
[13:54] Speaker 3: around Luka, doncha.
[13:55] Speaker 1: I mean they also they need to like pray at
[13:56] Speaker 1: this point that they get at least Kesler or Jalen
[13:59] Speaker 1: Duran or it's an atrocious offseason. I would say exactly,
[14:03] Speaker 1: that's like a game changer, even if they land wanted.
[14:05] Speaker 3: No, it's always worse. I think if they were going
[14:07] Speaker 3: to get Kessler, they're going to have to pay him
[14:10] Speaker 3: thirty five to forty million dollars. That's instantly going to
[14:12] Speaker 3: be a bad deal.
[14:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, Quentin Grimes is hot on the rumors from Mark
[14:16] Speaker 2: Stein that he's going to be there to replace your canards,
[14:19] Speaker 2: to be out there and score the Walker Kestler memo.
[14:22] Speaker 2: Kelish Villi is also hot in the rumors, along with
[14:24] Speaker 2: Jalen Duran, who has met with them apparently here to start. Yeah,
[14:29] Speaker 2: the Rocket's definitely it's a thing like hey, we're getting
[14:31] Speaker 2: older one more time. It's just I think it's insurance.
[14:35] Speaker 2: Freddy we don't know how you're going to be out.
[14:37] Speaker 1: There, and I guess guessing Bobby mark Stin broke it down.
[14:40] Speaker 1: This is a good thing for the Rockets. The contract
[14:42] Speaker 1: to Marcus Smart does not hardcap Houston at the first apron,
[14:45] Speaker 1: so it gives them flexibility to bring back restricted forward
[14:49] Speaker 1: Tarry Eason. A's a part here still in free agency.
[14:52] Speaker 1: Houston is twenty eight point five million below the second
[14:54] Speaker 1: apron hard cap, so will Tarry Eesen stick around there
[14:57] Speaker 1: in Houston? In addition to Bugdanovic and now Marcus Smart.
[15:01] Speaker 1: Ke On Ellis, I just wanted to touch on this. He
[15:03] Speaker 1: goes to the Brooklyn Net's going to get an opportunity there.
[15:05] Speaker 1: Just a funny deal contract situation, two years, eighteen million dollars.
[15:09] Speaker 1: It has both a team and a player option for
[15:13] Speaker 1: your two This is fairly rare, so either side can
[15:17] Speaker 1: choose to opt in to the second season, and if
[15:21] Speaker 1: neither side Alex to opt in, he would become a
[15:23] Speaker 1: free agent next summer. Again, this is very unique here.
[15:26] Speaker 1: Both the player and the team have the option on
[15:29] Speaker 1: the second year of this deal, but they both have
[15:31] Speaker 1: to agree. I don't know or is it just one
[15:35] Speaker 1: of the other.
[15:35] Speaker 3: Like whoever claims it first.
[15:36] Speaker 1: I sort of thought it was one or the other.
[15:38] Speaker 2: That's pretty weird, man, I've never heard of this before.
[15:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, so look, he gets an opportunity here. You love
[15:44] Speaker 1: Keon Ellis a shot?
[15:46] Speaker 2: Give him a shot there. It's interesting that Cleveland let
[15:49] Speaker 2: him go. They've got a bunch of guys, so it's understandable.
[15:53] Speaker 2: But yeah, give him a shot. I think some other
[15:56] Speaker 2: odd contract stuff going on now. This is odd because
[16:00] Speaker 2: it's announced on LinkedIn. Spencer Jones went on LinkedIn apparently.
[16:05] Speaker 3: Was going to be on LinkedIn.
[16:06] Speaker 2: Now.
[16:06] Speaker 4: He didn't announce his contract, but what he announced was
[16:10] Speaker 4: he said, earlier this season, I could have had multi
[16:13] Speaker 4: year guaranteed contract signed and done.
[16:17] Speaker 2: He said he didn't take it, and now he's going
[16:19] Speaker 2: to get apparently double. That is what he said I'd
[16:23] Speaker 2: like to He said, I'm negotiating now for double. That
[16:25] Speaker 2: just came out on LinkedIn and said, hey, okay, this
[16:28] Speaker 2: is my story from this year. That was very funny.
[16:31] Speaker 2: Uh one other agent? Nothing, he has an agent.
[16:35] Speaker 3: I was curious.
[16:36] Speaker 1: Can't see their names in a tweet?
[16:39] Speaker 2: So so fun. I think yesterday we announced Robert Williams
[16:42] Speaker 2: three years forty four with the Potland Trailblazers. What's interesting
[16:45] Speaker 2: is there's there's a Tom Dundon.
[16:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, baby, you'll love Tom Dundon.
[16:51] Speaker 2: I love talking about him. You talk about him all
[16:53] Speaker 2: the time. This was a deal, we said, three years
[16:56] Speaker 2: forty four for a guy who's always injured. Guaranteed money,
[16:59] Speaker 2: it's a surprise. But year two not guaranteed. Five million
[17:03] Speaker 2: guaranteed in year two. If you plays fifty games, then
[17:06] Speaker 2: it's guaranteed. So there's there's a deal smart stuff there.
[17:09] Speaker 3: They gave him, Mike and Norri, we got you for
[17:12] Speaker 3: one year. Yeah, we'll see what happens.
[17:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, not guaranteed. My friend. So Jake Fisher shout out
[17:17] Speaker 2: to you for mentioning that.
[17:18] Speaker 3: About Dunnan is going to love that key On Ellis contract.
[17:20] Speaker 1: Huh oh yeah.
[17:21] Speaker 3: He's like, look at all the ways you can get
[17:23] Speaker 3: and we can do this.
[17:26] Speaker 2: The Dean Wade one sounds like a lot, right, four
[17:28] Speaker 2: years thirty nine for Dean. He's a fine player, sounds
[17:31] Speaker 2: like it. That's that kind of That means that Kellyubray
[17:34] Speaker 2: likely gone yep, yeah, yeah, we're just relying on Dean
[17:37] Speaker 2: and it looks like Quentin Grimes could be going to
[17:40] Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Lakers from the Philadelphia seventy six ers.
[17:42] Speaker 2: So Dean Wade it's gonna be there, starting small forward.
[17:46] Speaker 2: It feels like, go guard a guy. Would you rather
[17:49] Speaker 2: have Dean Wade or Kelly Ubray? You know, Dean Wade
[17:53] Speaker 2: slightly younger, slightly taller, but apparently not as long wingspan
[17:58] Speaker 2: as Kelly Ubray.
[17:59] Speaker 3: Kelly Ubrace older than Dean Waight.
[18:00] Speaker 2: Yeah's surprising.
[18:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been around a lot.
[18:03] Speaker 2: Time, just one. I think it's thirty dead.
[18:07] Speaker 3: I would rather have.
[18:08] Speaker 1: They both have their pros and cons to their game,
[18:10] Speaker 1: for sure.
[18:11] Speaker 2: Dean Wade is he steadier, Like you know he's going
[18:13] Speaker 2: to be around playing well in year three and year four.
[18:17] Speaker 1: Well, but he's actually been not bad. Yeah, last little
[18:20] Speaker 1: bit here.
[18:20] Speaker 2: I think later in his career. Higher ceiling. I think
[18:22] Speaker 2: a little higher ceiling than Dean Wade. But the lower floor,
[18:25] Speaker 2: that's a little surprising.
[18:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[18:27] Speaker 3: I'm not a big Dean weight again either, but I
[18:30] Speaker 3: guess it would be. It depends on what Kelly Bray makes,
[18:32] Speaker 3: but if he makes less than nine million, I would
[18:34] Speaker 3: be in on him. But I think Dean Wade is fine.
[18:36] Speaker 3: Like he's thirty at the start of next season. He
[18:38] Speaker 3: can defend in particular, like picking up the ball. He's
[18:42] Speaker 3: a better perimeter guy, even though he's kind of tall.
[18:44] Speaker 3: He can make a wide open three pointer, but it's
[18:45] Speaker 3: gotta be wide open and ring shoot it. He fills
[18:48] Speaker 3: out their starting lineup and maybe by the end of
[18:51] Speaker 3: his contract, when they're kind of out of jail with
[18:53] Speaker 3: regards to Embiid and Paul George, then they can actually
[18:56] Speaker 3: start trying to really build around their team because they're
[18:59] Speaker 3: kind of stuck right now. It's of those contracts come up,
[19:01] Speaker 3: they're just they're just a team that's gonna happen.
[19:05] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the MBID one. As we talk about the
[19:08] Speaker 2: you know, the worst contracts in the NBA, we talked
[19:10] Speaker 2: about Tree Young after receiving his max. Embiid's got to
[19:13] Speaker 2: be in that conversation. I know he played in the
[19:16] Speaker 2: playoffs and so that's different. He was yearns every dollar,
[19:19] Speaker 2: but not all that great. I was surprised to see
[19:21] Speaker 2: Dean Wade get four years, although the last year is
[19:24] Speaker 2: partially Gart Party guaranteed.
[19:26] Speaker 1: Okay, that makes a little more s.
[19:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, and nobody's gonna get money from somewhere.
[19:30] Speaker 1: I think I said yesterday I think he'll end up
[19:32] Speaker 1: on the Pacers. But yeah, you brought it to Lakers
[19:34] Speaker 1: and they need guys now as everybody just keeps leaving,
[19:36] Speaker 1: so that's possibility. All right. Well, let's uh, let's move
[19:40] Speaker 1: off of the transactions there. I just refreshed Scham's Twitter
[19:43] Speaker 1: page and nothing else popped up. The last thing Hauck
[19:46] Speaker 1: Party going to the Sixers two there as a backup,
[19:49] Speaker 1: big what to do? Baby, Let's talk a little bit
[19:53] Speaker 1: more about this.
[19:54] Speaker 3: Uh.
[19:54] Speaker 1: We now have all the details about yesterday's fun guy trade, right,
[19:58] Speaker 1: the Clippers traded all NBA forward Kawhi Leonard to the
[20:01] Speaker 1: Raptors for brandon Ingram Grady Dick, and then we have
[20:06] Speaker 1: the specifics when it comes to the picks. Two unprotected
[20:09] Speaker 1: first round picks in twenty thirty one and thirty three,
[20:13] Speaker 1: so future unprotected first round picks, a twenty seven first
[20:17] Speaker 1: round swap, and then two second round picks also sort
[20:20] Speaker 1: of down the line.
[20:22] Speaker 2: Task.
[20:22] Speaker 1: Has this changed your opinion at all about the Kawhi trade,
[20:25] Speaker 1: because I think you were thinking a lot of people
[20:26] Speaker 1: were maybe thinking they were more immediate draft picks, but
[20:29] Speaker 1: instead I think good job by the Clippers here to
[20:31] Speaker 1: push them way down the line.
[20:32] Speaker 2: Absolutely good job by the Clippers. I was wrong. I
[20:34] Speaker 2: thought they'd be coming up very very soon. Thought they'd
[20:36] Speaker 2: be at twenty seven and twenty nine. Although you know,
[20:39] Speaker 2: along with a thirty one and thirty three, it's cauld
[20:41] Speaker 2: move for the Clippers. Maybe they'll be bad by then.
[20:42] Speaker 2: Kawai probably won't be playing by then. But the twenty
[20:45] Speaker 2: seven pick swap, yeah, you're not using that. The Raptors
[20:50] Speaker 2: aren't gonna have a worse record than the Los Angeles
[20:51] Speaker 2: Clippers this next year, come on. But either way, I
[20:54] Speaker 2: don't think it changes anything. You know what changes things
[20:57] Speaker 2: is that there was a video unearthed of Scotty Barnes
[21:01] Speaker 2: when he was in high school. He was asked, Hey, Scottie,
[21:05] Speaker 2: if you had to pick one NBA player that you
[21:07] Speaker 2: could be the teammate or be a teammate with, who
[21:09] Speaker 2: would it be and why? And he said in high school,
[21:12] Speaker 2: he said, Kawhi Leonard, so we could play defense together
[21:16] Speaker 2: so long ago. Now they're going to be playing defense together.
[21:19] Speaker 2: I don't care about these draft picks. I just care
[21:21] Speaker 2: about these two guys playing hard.
[21:23] Speaker 3: Famous last words.
[21:25] Speaker 2: That was on Earth from your boy, Brian, our boy
[21:30] Speaker 2: Brian and.
[21:31] Speaker 3: He immediately cut to another high school clip of a
[21:34] Speaker 3: different player.
[21:38] Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty cool. You get a guy talking
[21:40] Speaker 2: about Kawhi Leonard and then he ends up being his teammate.
[21:43] Speaker 3: It just means Kawi Leonard was really good and when Scotty, yeah,
[21:47] Speaker 3: he's been in the NBA for years. At this point,
[21:49] Speaker 3: this is risky for the Raptors. The unprotected picks literally
[21:52] Speaker 3: change everything here. Kawhi will be gone by the time
[21:55] Speaker 3: thirty one and thirty three come around. You also have
[21:57] Speaker 3: to pay him this gigantic extension. If this I wasn't
[22:00] Speaker 3: a franchise hero, people would be like, you traded two
[22:03] Speaker 3: unprotected picks and you're gonna pay a thirty five year old.
[22:06] Speaker 3: It would be looked back as a crazy move. Scotty,
[22:09] Speaker 3: you also have to add him will be thirty years
[22:10] Speaker 3: old by the time twenty thirty one comes around. So
[22:13] Speaker 3: to me, this is like potential expiration date for the
[22:16] Speaker 3: Scotty Barnes era in Toronto. Still, I think it's worth it.
[22:20] Speaker 3: They had zero championship window as constructed. Now they got
[22:23] Speaker 3: a tiny, little one and the East sends a different
[22:25] Speaker 3: team to the finals every single year, So I think
[22:27] Speaker 3: this is still a worthy gamble for the Raptors, but
[22:31] Speaker 3: it became a lot riskier once they said it's going
[22:33] Speaker 3: to be far away picks that are unprotected.
[22:35] Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Look, okay, the Raptors stopped
[22:38] Speaker 1: trading away first round picks for just above average or
[22:40] Speaker 1: average players, which they've done a lot over the last
[22:42] Speaker 1: couple of years. Perl comes to mind, brandon Ingram, of course,
[22:45] Speaker 1: Daddius Young, Kelly olynyk A Baji. They actually cashed in
[22:50] Speaker 1: some of these first round picks for elite talent. Now
[22:52] Speaker 1: he's older. There's the injury risk and all that with
[22:55] Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard, but when he played last year, he's like,
[22:57] Speaker 1: I don't know where you put him. Probably he looked
[22:59] Speaker 1: like a top five player for a stretch, but more
[23:01] Speaker 1: likely like a top ten as he finished second all MBA.
[23:05] Speaker 1: The Raptors had seven of their first round picks right,
[23:10] Speaker 1: and now they have well basically half, with three sort
[23:13] Speaker 1: of going out at least control of first round picks.
[23:16] Speaker 1: It's a gamble man, and they're gonna pay him, and
[23:18] Speaker 1: that's a huge part of the reason he's even there,
[23:19] Speaker 1: because he's like, I'll go there, I'll sign there. Weird
[23:23] Speaker 1: why didn't you stick around when we won the championship?
[23:25] Speaker 1: But okay, you wanted to go to LA But he's
[23:27] Speaker 1: back seven or eight years later, and he's going to
[23:29] Speaker 1: get one hundred and twenty million dollars after the fifty
[23:31] Speaker 1: million dollars deal. He'll play on next year. But it's
[23:36] Speaker 1: it's like, I think you're right. Trade just gives you
[23:38] Speaker 1: the smallest chance to actually win playoff series and maybe
[23:41] Speaker 1: flirt with a conference finals finals championship. It's small, but
[23:47] Speaker 1: you had no chance without him. And yeah, also probably
[23:50] Speaker 1: one of those picks was getting off of brandon Ingram's deal. Absolutely,
[23:52] Speaker 1: So if you look at it that way, then it's
[23:54] Speaker 1: a little more manageable or easier to stomach. I guess
[23:57] Speaker 1: if you're a Raps fan.
[23:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't in the postseason. We've seen him brandon
[24:03] Speaker 2: Ingram in the playoffs before he gets bodied, and he's
[24:06] Speaker 2: just not the same player as good as he was
[24:09] Speaker 2: in the regular season. He wasn't in the postseason. And
[24:13] Speaker 2: he's a guy who played seventy seven games last year.
[24:16] Speaker 2: Maybe Kawhi will hook up with Alex mckeckne again and
[24:19] Speaker 2: play a lot of games. I mean, Brandon Ingram playing
[24:21] Speaker 2: seventy seven games. He hadn't played more than sixty four
[24:23] Speaker 2: in the eight seasons before that, so things were going well.
[24:26] Speaker 2: Things were going well for Emmanuel quickly until the playoffs.
[24:30] Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see how much pressure that takes
[24:33] Speaker 2: off Emmanuel quickly and RJ. Barrett just having Kawhi Leonard
[24:36] Speaker 2: out there to see how they fly around him, because
[24:40] Speaker 2: you know, we all worry that maybe they're too much
[24:43] Speaker 2: of a mid range team. But Kawhi solves all that.
[24:46] Speaker 2: He picked the Raptors. He picked us. Somebody else would
[24:49] Speaker 2: have given him money. The Pistons probably would have given
[24:51] Speaker 2: him a couple of years. Look at them now. I
[24:54] Speaker 2: would rather look at this Raptors team right now. Obviously
[24:57] Speaker 2: you gotta think are they going to be healthy? Then
[24:59] Speaker 2: the Detroit is right now.
[25:01] Speaker 1: He definitely picked the Raptors by all reporting, because I
[25:04] Speaker 1: think Piston's interested enough, maybe the Timberwolves interested enough. And
[25:08] Speaker 1: again Reporting says He's like, well, I'm not signing a
[25:10] Speaker 1: contract extension there. I actually want to go to Toronto and
[25:14] Speaker 1: from Again, by the way, Sean's is saying it retire
[25:16] Speaker 1: as a Toronto Raptor like sort of play out. These
[25:19] Speaker 1: final three years. I guess let's call it as he
[25:22] Speaker 1: gets up into thirty seven and thirty years old. Over
[25:25] Speaker 1: the past four seasons, Quies played in fifty two, sixty eight,
[25:27] Speaker 1: thirty seven and sixty five games. He's played in approximately
[25:30] Speaker 1: two thirds of the Clippers games here, and he missed
[25:33] Speaker 1: numerous playoffs.
[25:34] Speaker 3: Hasn't won a series because twenty one exactly.
[25:37] Speaker 1: So that's the risk here that, especially as he gets older,
[25:40] Speaker 1: that the injury history catches up to him. But you know,
[25:46] Speaker 1: they're just rolling the dice. How's it much different than now,
[25:49] Speaker 1: I know he's older, but hear me out. All these
[25:51] Speaker 1: other big trades that have happened over the last couple
[25:53] Speaker 1: of weeks are guys that have been injured, and there's
[25:56] Speaker 1: a huge part of the equation of why they're being moved,
[25:58] Speaker 1: the honest, the lame, the jahn morant. Now add Kawhi here,
[26:03] Speaker 1: it's like these are why these superstars are being moved
[26:06] Speaker 1: because teams get a little bit tired of like, we
[26:08] Speaker 1: can't depend on you, so let's switch it up here.
[26:11] Speaker 1: And then the team says, Okay, well we'll take the risk.
[26:13] Speaker 1: It's just a risk, but it's a fun ass risk
[26:16] Speaker 1: because guess what. The Raptors are relevant again, that's the
[26:18] Speaker 1: biggest thing they are. Yeah, they weren't for a long time.
[26:22] Speaker 1: When Kawhi left, they sort over. Nobody talked about him
[26:26] Speaker 1: down here.
[26:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And I think in part he picks
[26:30] Speaker 2: Scottie Barnes being beside him. He knows that Scottie Barnes
[26:32] Speaker 2: is going to play in every single playoff game. And
[26:34] Speaker 2: in part why he didn't have success in the playoffs
[26:37] Speaker 2: for our years, as you said, since twenty one, was
[26:40] Speaker 2: because other guys are injured too. Paul George was injured.
[26:43] Speaker 2: And so I think he looks at Scotty Barnes and
[26:46] Speaker 2: he knows that he's going to be playing every single game.
[26:48] Speaker 2: Will Scottie Barnes still be playing in twenty thirty one
[26:52] Speaker 2: when that first round pick comes around. That's year ten
[26:55] Speaker 2: for Scottie Barnes in his career. Man, it feels like
[26:58] Speaker 2: that's a long career that we're talking about ten years.
[27:01] Speaker 2: Nothing I do well. So that's why I think the
[27:03] Speaker 2: thirty one and thirty three pick are fine.
[27:05] Speaker 3: Yeah, but to me, to me, this means the Raptors
[27:08] Speaker 3: adding Kawhi now have a three year window next season.
[27:11] Speaker 3: The two seasons. They're going to pay him for the
[27:12] Speaker 3: extension to make the conference finals and honestly, to make
[27:15] Speaker 3: the finals, like that's going to be the ceiling and
[27:17] Speaker 3: the goal for this team. Unfortunately for them, the unprotected
[27:21] Speaker 3: picks come after the three year window.
[27:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[27:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, but the counter to that is, I mean, it's
[27:26] Speaker 1: almost like doubling down on this risk because they still
[27:28] Speaker 1: have draft capital, immediate draft capital ye to use to
[27:32] Speaker 1: make the team better around Kawhi, Scottie and whoever's there.
[27:35] Speaker 1: So I mean that's probably what they'll do, right, whether
[27:38] Speaker 1: it's upgrade the center position, whether it's a point guard,
[27:40] Speaker 1: like I assume, I would think there'll be one more
[27:44] Speaker 1: big ish move here. If you're really going all in,
[27:47] Speaker 1: you're pushing the chips all in, yeah, which it feels
[27:49] Speaker 1: like they're doing here when you make this move.
[27:50] Speaker 2: When they traded for Kawhi and eighteen, it was that
[27:53] Speaker 2: season that they were able to trade for Mark Gasol.
[27:57] Speaker 2: Months later they were able to get a center.
[28:00] Speaker 1: Instrumental in the championship of course. Yeah.
[28:02] Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a lot of vets on that team
[28:04] Speaker 2: that they don't have right now.
[28:05] Speaker 1: And we talked about it yesterday and you can go check
[28:07] Speaker 1: our you know again, our special out when the news broke.
[28:10] Speaker 1: But this was a really good defensive team last year,
[28:13] Speaker 1: fifth in the league, behind the two top two regular
[28:17] Speaker 1: season teams in both conferences. It's okay, see Detroit, San
[28:20] Speaker 1: Antonio and Boston. Those were your defensive teams. Raptors were fifth.
[28:22] Speaker 1: So that's not nothing here. And you add Kawai. Now,
[28:25] Speaker 1: Kawhi is not the lock down, scary ass defender he
[28:30] Speaker 1: was in his prime, but he's still eighty percent Kahir
[28:33] Speaker 1: or thirty five year old Kwai is still better than
[28:35] Speaker 1: I don't know, a lot of guys, definitely better than
[28:38] Speaker 1: Brandon Ingram and better than a lot of guys still
[28:40] Speaker 1: in this league. And now you put him in this
[28:42] Speaker 1: great defensive unit here, and he's the go to scorer,
[28:45] Speaker 1: which they desperately need in half court sets when you
[28:47] Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. So maybe it works out. I
[28:50] Speaker 1: can't believe he's back, Still can't. Still seems fake to me. Nostalgia, baby, Yes,
[28:56] Speaker 1: this is this is partially a nostalgia move, I believe. Okay,
[29:00] Speaker 1: Well let me read it. Let me read this from
[29:02] Speaker 1: Kelly Dwyer because I want your opinion on it. He wrote,
[29:04] Speaker 1: Pretend Kawhi Leonard never played in Toronto, never won a chip.
[29:08] Speaker 1: Pretend he's new to the Raptors. He's Kawhi Leonard wrote
[29:11] Speaker 1: Kelly Dwyer. Yeah, he's thirty five, But wouldn't Raptors fans
[29:14] Speaker 1: understandably go gaga over dealing for a thirty five year
[29:17] Speaker 1: old Kevin Durant in twenty three or a thirty five
[29:19] Speaker 1: year old Lebron in twenty nineteen. You think that's fair?
[29:23] Speaker 1: So pretend he never played. Yes, he's thirty five, but
[29:26] Speaker 1: he was elite last year. Raptors fans would still be
[29:29] Speaker 1: going now it's up another level because he brought him
[29:32] Speaker 1: a championship. It'd still be going nuts again because it
[29:35] Speaker 1: makes this franchise relevant, I think more than anything.
[29:39] Speaker 2: I don't disagree. Yeah, I'm starting to think Lebron, you know,
[29:43] Speaker 2: is going to be playing at thirty five. With that comparison,
[29:46] Speaker 2: Lebron's going to be healthy. True, Yeah, there's a difference
[29:50] Speaker 2: there and Kevin Durant. You know, he didn't bring a
[29:54] Speaker 2: title on his own to a new team, So yeah,
[29:58] Speaker 2: I guess.
[29:59] Speaker 1: I would you get that out to make a move
[30:01] Speaker 1: for him?
[30:02] Speaker 2: No?
[30:02] Speaker 1: I would it be what as a Raptors fan, would
[30:04] Speaker 1: you have been excited, Oh of course, yeah, yes, just
[30:07] Speaker 1: like you would have been pumped with Giannis was going
[30:08] Speaker 1: to the Raptors. Sure, and then you know that's why
[30:11] Speaker 1: I think their name was linked. All these are always
[30:12] Speaker 1: like kicking the tires, like, hey, what can we get
[30:14] Speaker 1: with some of this draft capital that we've saved up
[30:15] Speaker 1: now and one or two of these bad picks or
[30:18] Speaker 1: excuse me contracts that we've signed because we have a
[30:21] Speaker 1: couple of album tross contracts.
[30:23] Speaker 2: It's a great question. Now I'm starting to think would
[30:24] Speaker 2: I rather have Kawhi or Yannis on the Toronto Raptors,
[30:27] Speaker 2: As in, would I rather have every fan walk into
[30:30] Speaker 2: the arenal be handed a gyro or uh or just
[30:34] Speaker 2: be a ka it's a hero. But anyway, this is
[30:39] Speaker 2: exciting times, especially with the Pistons and what they are.
[30:43] Speaker 2: I don't start to look at the Eastern Conference standings.
[30:45] Speaker 2: We'll see what the Celtics are. But I mean you
[30:48] Speaker 2: mentioned the defense. It's it's odd because the Pistons now
[30:52] Speaker 2: without Isaiah Stewart. We'll see what happens with Jalen Duran.
[30:55] Speaker 2: Like this, I feel like they're vaulting up the standings
[30:59] Speaker 2: right now, just because they are going to be a
[31:02] Speaker 2: good defensive team. I know they don't have the Vets,
[31:04] Speaker 2: but they do have the Jamal Sheds and the Jakobe
[31:06] Speaker 2: Walters to fill in and play hard defense even when
[31:10] Speaker 2: Kawhi does sit some games.
[31:12] Speaker 1: What's an ideal season here for the Toronto Raptors, then
[31:15] Speaker 1: realistic don't not winning the champion.
[31:18] Speaker 3: Kawhi plays sixty plus games in the Maker Conference finals.
[31:20] Speaker 1: There you go, I think that's right. And then that
[31:23] Speaker 1: sets up maybe the one more big move that they
[31:25] Speaker 1: try and like to catapul.
[31:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, paying to get off quickly or perdl and
[31:29] Speaker 3: bringing in somebody who can help on a shorter deal
[31:31] Speaker 3: so you can actually make some moves further down the line,
[31:34] Speaker 3: because if they end up having to do these deals
[31:36] Speaker 3: for pearle and quickly, it's going to cost them picks
[31:38] Speaker 3: to get off it. And then you're talking about having
[31:41] Speaker 3: a paucity of assets to make any sort of improvements.
[31:45] Speaker 3: And then you are looking like the Bucks with a
[31:47] Speaker 3: player who's at the end of his contract without any
[31:50] Speaker 3: way to add to him except for he's you know,
[31:52] Speaker 3: much older than Yannis was. But uh, yeah, I don't
[31:55] Speaker 3: know it feels like the Raptors are in the second
[31:57] Speaker 3: tier in the Eastern Conference. It feels like the top
[31:59] Speaker 3: tier of the Eastern Conference is just the Knicks and
[32:01] Speaker 3: everybody else trying to get on their level and scrambling
[32:04] Speaker 3: to see what their team looks like. We'll see how
[32:05] Speaker 3: it all plays out by the end of the off season,
[32:09] Speaker 3: but the Raptors to me, are definitely in the mix
[32:11] Speaker 3: now when they weren't in the mix prior.
[32:14] Speaker 2: I would say, you're doing the tiers as far as
[32:16] Speaker 2: the Raptors go. I think there's tiers for the players
[32:18] Speaker 2: you mentioned too. I think Yaka Purdle is definitely not
[32:21] Speaker 2: on the same type of tier as a manual quickly
[32:25] Speaker 2: to me, Pearl, you definitely need to check that attach
[32:27] Speaker 2: a pick too, what quickly? Three years left on his contract.
[32:31] Speaker 2: He played pretty well, not excellent basketball, but three years
[32:35] Speaker 2: left I think is a little bit more palatable for teams,
[32:37] Speaker 2: and we'll see how he works with the number one
[32:39] Speaker 2: beside him. So TVD on that. But excited for this roster, baby,
[32:44] Speaker 2: you gotta be excited.
[32:44] Speaker 1: Right, Absolutely, it's way more exciting.
[32:48] Speaker 3: Because I believe same team except for now Kawhi Leonard
[32:50] Speaker 3: has taken the game winning shots exactly.
[32:52] Speaker 1: It's just called belief. It's like, oh, we actually could. Yeah,
[32:55] Speaker 1: so there's a lot more hope for sure, But you know,
[32:58] Speaker 1: hell of a gamble, hell of a risk. It's what
[33:00] Speaker 1: Bobby's doing here. He's like, all right, my turn as
[33:02] Speaker 1: the GM here. Let's try it worked once before, let's
[33:05] Speaker 1: do it again.
[33:06] Speaker 3: I think it's a great trade with the Clippers, though,
[33:08] Speaker 3: I like, if I'm talking about winners of the trade,
[33:11] Speaker 3: it's probably the Clippers. I think they've done a great
[33:13] Speaker 3: job of pivoting once they realized they weren't going anywhere
[33:16] Speaker 3: specifically with the James Harden trade, but they're going to
[33:18] Speaker 3: basically have to eat two years of brandon Ingram's salary,
[33:21] Speaker 3: and they're getting two great picks out of it. So
[33:23] Speaker 3: between Harden, Zubots and the Kawhi trade, they got Darius Garland,
[33:26] Speaker 3: Keaton Woggler, six first round picks, four seconds and then
[33:30] Speaker 3: whatever happens with these role players. They could even potentially
[33:33] Speaker 3: flip Ingram, though I don't really think that that's likely,
[33:36] Speaker 3: but maybe they get a player in on a shorter
[33:37] Speaker 3: contract or something like that. But the Clippers are making
[33:40] Speaker 3: some future forward moves and I think that's pretty smart. Yeah,
[33:42] Speaker 3: they've also got Grady Dick. I haven't heard a single
[33:45] Speaker 3: word about Grady Dick was Yeah, because he's young, I know,
[33:50] Speaker 3: I think he sucks.
[33:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, he was extremely disappointing. Yeah, and they tell you you're
[33:54] Speaker 1: a shooter, but you can't shoot. That's an issue and
[33:57] Speaker 1: you're not out there for any other reason. So he's
[33:59] Speaker 1: just a you know, watch you know, maybe real rehabilitates
[34:02] Speaker 1: his career here and there'll be not like there as
[34:05] Speaker 1: much attention as it was, but definitely none. Now the Clippers, man,
[34:08] Speaker 1: they did a good job. I'm with you, but also
[34:11] Speaker 1: they were just like this was embarrassing. The Kawhi Leonard experiment.
[34:14] Speaker 1: I mean, it was like brutal didn't work at all.
[34:17] Speaker 1: They were like what I guess in Clippers history, it
[34:21] Speaker 1: was maybe one of their better runs. But overall, you
[34:23] Speaker 1: said they hadn't won a playoff series since twenty twenty one, right,
[34:27] Speaker 1: you know a lot of time Kauai was injured and
[34:28] Speaker 1: all that. They're just stuck in the middle. They're always
[34:30] Speaker 1: like a good team, winning record, but having to go
[34:33] Speaker 1: in through the play in or get in the first round,
[34:35] Speaker 1: just get bounced, and it's like feels like there's a
[34:38] Speaker 1: waste of seven years. But they've rechanged their team now
[34:43] Speaker 1: and went young and now it's all picks and young guys. Yeah,
[34:46] Speaker 1: of course, I mean better than just being on the
[34:49] Speaker 1: treadmill of mediocrity, which they were. But they took a
[34:53] Speaker 1: stab at it way back in the day too.
[34:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Kawhi probably is like a top five
[34:57] Speaker 3: Clipper of all time, and they had more success during
[34:59] Speaker 3: the period than they had at any other period in
[35:02] Speaker 3: Clippers history. They were relevant, a huge thing for a
[35:06] Speaker 3: Clippers team that's always in the spotlight or always in
[35:09] Speaker 3: the shadow of the Los Angeles Lakers.
[35:11] Speaker 1: We never even saw the Lakers play the Clippers. Huh,
[35:13] Speaker 1: that's crazy. With the Lebron versus Kawhy surprising, that is weird. Yeah,
[35:19] Speaker 1: let's go to the Lakers. Let's talk Lebron. He informed
[35:22] Speaker 1: the Lakers that he would not be returning yesterday. Already
[35:25] Speaker 1: rampant speculation. Where this guy's gonna land and how long
[35:29] Speaker 1: is he going to take to decide what's next for
[35:31] Speaker 1: Lebron James.
[35:32] Speaker 2: It's gott to meet with the Clippers. Stay in La.
[35:36] Speaker 2: Sure you don't want to do that although you know
[35:38] Speaker 2: there's some talk to Peyton Watson's going to the Clippers
[35:40] Speaker 2: from mark Stein, then they get become a better team.
[35:43] Speaker 2: But yeah, just go meet with every single team, as
[35:47] Speaker 2: Rich Paul said, that's gonna happen. Go hang with Yannis.
[35:51] Speaker 2: I think the heat is a possibility. Really Yeah, it
[35:56] Speaker 2: comes down to Cleveland, Miami, or Golden State. So it's
[35:59] Speaker 2: whatever he picks me, it's whatever he's got high.
[36:01] Speaker 1: I don't think there's any dark horse team that could
[36:04] Speaker 1: get in the mix here. You think it's on school
[36:07] Speaker 1: to State Cleveland or Miami.
[36:09] Speaker 3: The Timberwolves have registered interest.
[36:11] Speaker 1: Yeah they're trying.
[36:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I find that one hard to believe.
[36:16] Speaker 1: Okay, that's all.
[36:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, yess, he's got a lot of meetings. He's got
[36:21] Speaker 3: a ton of meetings. The Calves can offer him four
[36:23] Speaker 3: million dollars right now, that's the veteran minimum. But they
[36:26] Speaker 3: let Dean Wade walk if they move off of Max Struce,
[36:29] Speaker 3: if they're closing in on fifteen million dollars, which is
[36:31] Speaker 3: apparently the competitive range for Lebron right now. So to me,
[36:36] Speaker 3: Struce is the tell. If he gets traded in the
[36:38] Speaker 3: next couple hours, maybe Cleveland is the place the Warriors
[36:41] Speaker 3: offer golf wine friends in business, They've already had Draymond
[36:45] Speaker 3: Green a franchise Cornerstone, opt out of his contract, and
[36:48] Speaker 3: he shares an agent with Lebron James. So what does
[36:50] Speaker 3: he know. I think the Timberwolves, the Spurs, and the
[36:52] Speaker 3: Nuggets give Lebron a better chance of competing for a championship.
[36:57] Speaker 3: And if that's what he wants, he would choose one
[36:58] Speaker 3: of those teams, but they don't seem to be in
[36:59] Speaker 3: the mix at all.
[37:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't push back on any of that. It's
[37:04] Speaker 1: really what he wants is that you talked about this
[37:06] Speaker 1: fifth ring idea. If he wants a fifth ring, then
[37:08] Speaker 1: you go to the Spurs, the Thunder of the Knicks,
[37:10] Speaker 1: basically maybe even the Wolves, like you said, I mean,
[37:14] Speaker 1: he's flirted with the Knicks before, way back twenty ten
[37:17] Speaker 1: before deciding on the Heat. I don't think it's likely. Obviously,
[37:20] Speaker 1: the Wolves are put making a push here because they're like,
[37:23] Speaker 1: we traded our power forwards. There's a slot for you, man,
[37:27] Speaker 1: nas reed Julius Randall, they're gone. Also, we put you
[37:30] Speaker 1: in there and we can hide you on the defensive end.
[37:33] Speaker 1: Don't worry we got Rudy Gobert and then we got McDaniels,
[37:36] Speaker 1: so you'd be good man, you could chill.
[37:37] Speaker 3: On that end.
[37:38] Speaker 1: We got the young guys and LaMelo and Aunt pushing
[37:41] Speaker 1: it on paper. I mean it does make a lot
[37:44] Speaker 1: of sense, But I can't see him in Minnesota. I
[37:47] Speaker 1: really really can't. It does feel like it's one of
[37:50] Speaker 1: those three teams, either the homecoming to Cleveland, Golden State,
[37:53] Speaker 1: or Miami. Now I hadn't thought about this. I guess
[37:57] Speaker 1: I was looking at like this as like Lebron's final season.
[38:01] Speaker 1: You're twenty four. Does it have to be like could
[38:05] Speaker 1: he go? Could he do the old one year song
[38:08] Speaker 1: and dance, golf trip, wine trip with Golden State? Try it,
[38:13] Speaker 1: pair up with Steph, you know, give it a go,
[38:16] Speaker 1: and then go home to Cleveland for the retirement tour
[38:19] Speaker 1: in your twenty five I guess it could. Sure. I
[38:23] Speaker 1: thought he was going to retire after this year, and
[38:25] Speaker 1: sort of in the mid season, I was like, I
[38:27] Speaker 1: don't know, he might be done, but I guess that's
[38:29] Speaker 1: a possibility.
[38:31] Speaker 2: I think, so, hey, Tom Brady, did it? I mean,
[38:34] Speaker 2: keep playing until you want to end it. I could
[38:37] Speaker 2: see multiple years with Cleveland and I know they're an
[38:40] Speaker 2: outsider right now, but beside Donovan Mitchell and Evin Mobley
[38:45] Speaker 2: mainly you know, and you get to play with Dennis
[38:47] Speaker 2: Ruder again. I'm sure he loved that. Again. I think
[38:52] Speaker 2: Cleveland they have an outside chance.
[38:55] Speaker 1: Do you want to play with Steph again? Or do
[38:57] Speaker 1: you want to play with Dennis Struder again?
[38:58] Speaker 2: Is that how it's going the team around Cleveland, that
[39:01] Speaker 2: it's got a higher ceiling? So mm hmm, that's yeah,
[39:05] Speaker 2: that's all it's always.
[39:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, you think the Calves they play in the East.
[39:10] Speaker 2: Playing in the East, Yeah, and the group around they're
[39:12] Speaker 2: deeper than the Warriors. What are the Warriors banged up?
[39:16] Speaker 2: Porzingis Dreamond Green? Yeah, he is. They got the greatest beards.
[39:22] Speaker 2: I mean him and Draymond Green got the greatest beards.
[39:24] Speaker 2: Like Draymond Green's not getting better. Uh So it's a
[39:27] Speaker 2: question of who's around them. With the Calves at least
[39:30] Speaker 2: you know, you know you're you're deeper. I know they're old,
[39:34] Speaker 2: too hard and old, but there's some young parts.
[39:37] Speaker 1: How do you think this gets announced? Well, like will
[39:41] Speaker 1: it just be a Sham's tweet or will it be
[39:42] Speaker 1: uh a Lebron decision? Another decision. Yea decision. Yeah, I
[39:48] Speaker 1: mean I can't like we mocked the decision, but this
[39:51] Speaker 1: we could have had some fun with or could still
[39:53] Speaker 1: like this is like you can make.
[39:55] Speaker 3: A show out of this, like the decision.
[39:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, but more fun because every team show up and
[40:00] Speaker 1: pitch their case to Lebron like that, you can exactly.
[40:04] Speaker 1: It would be amazing.
[40:06] Speaker 2: He just Rich and Max Kellerman on their podcast.
[40:10] Speaker 1: Or like team up with the Golf Network and have
[40:12] Speaker 1: like the executive from each team battle it out eighteen
[40:16] Speaker 1: holes Lebron watches their golf game. Okay, I'll go there.
[40:21] Speaker 1: You can get creative with this.
[40:22] Speaker 3: Barks are gonna regret firing Doc Rivers.
[40:26] Speaker 1: Like that's why I put in that ninety thousand dollars
[40:29] Speaker 1: golf simulator. I was I was playing forty chess man.
[40:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, who's Vince Schellini can do the broadcasting
[40:37] Speaker 2: on the Golf Channel. He's from Cleveland, is not? Okay? Okay,
[40:43] Speaker 2: it's the Vince Chillini. Yeah all right.
[40:48] Speaker 1: Besides Lebron and now Norman Powell off the.
[40:50] Speaker 3: List here too, and Voooch signed Oh did he Yeah
[40:53] Speaker 3: he's going the back to the magic Okay, yep, really
[40:56] Speaker 3: voochs back to the Magic Baby, I.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Guess Movagner is gone for that, right then? All right?
[41:01] Speaker 1: And Jonathan Isaac, I guess they're saying might re sign
[41:04] Speaker 1: with the Magic too. Well, who's the top remaining free agent?
[41:07] Speaker 2: Then?
[41:08] Speaker 1: Who's left?
[41:09] Speaker 2: You mean other than d Anthony Melton. Peyton Watson is
[41:14] Speaker 2: the guy, very high ceiling, super young player, ready to
[41:20] Speaker 2: jump into a bigger role. Apparently the Clippers apparently are
[41:28] Speaker 2: in on it, Corn and Mark Stein, and so are
[41:30] Speaker 2: the Lakers, so to LA teams. But I think Denver
[41:33] Speaker 2: is wanting him to come back, but depending you know,
[41:36] Speaker 2: he's there is a little clog there with Cam Johnson
[41:40] Speaker 2: and Christian Brown if this guy's going to take a
[41:42] Speaker 2: bigger role. So Peyton Watson to me is the the
[41:46] Speaker 2: highest ceiling of all the guys.
[41:47] Speaker 3: Lest name Yeah, and they let a hardaway walk to Miami,
[41:52] Speaker 3: So clearly they're trying to at least get their books
[41:54] Speaker 3: a little bit in order to be able to match
[41:56] Speaker 3: Peyton Watson. Because the Nuggets absolutely cannot lose that guy
[42:00] Speaker 3: or nothing. That would be a terrible result, I think
[42:02] Speaker 3: for Denver. So I understand that Peyton Watson is linked
[42:05] Speaker 3: to both LA teams. He's an LA guy as well,
[42:07] Speaker 3: played at UCLA if I'm not mistaken, and somebody's got
[42:11] Speaker 3: to give this guy money. He had that nice fifteen
[42:13] Speaker 3: twenty games when the Nuggets needed him be the leading scorer,
[42:16] Speaker 3: and he was able to do it efficiently while still
[42:18] Speaker 3: given the defensive side. So he's a guy that's gonna
[42:20] Speaker 3: get paid. But I really hope the Nuggets are willing
[42:23] Speaker 3: to pony up for him. So I wonder if they'll
[42:25] Speaker 3: be trying to move off of Christian Brown, move off
[42:27] Speaker 3: of Cam Johnson in the next couple of days. We
[42:29] Speaker 3: shall see in the non restricted free agency realm best
[42:33] Speaker 3: remaining guys are not that interesting. I guess it's Tobias Harris.
[42:36] Speaker 3: He was pretty solid in the playoffs.
[42:37] Speaker 2: He was.
[42:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, other than that, it's like treminga Ruey Hotcha Mura
[42:41] Speaker 3: bet mathroom. We haven't heard hardly anything about it. Seems
[42:44] Speaker 3: like he's going to get a squeezed like Quentin Grimes
[42:47] Speaker 3: did last year and then Mitchell Robinson. I guess kind
[42:49] Speaker 3: of curious where he ends up.
[42:50] Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, there's rumors if he leaves that Kevon Looney
[42:54] Speaker 2: could be going to New York to be their backup guard.
[42:58] Speaker 2: But other than that center sixties me. Yeah, yeah, but yeah,
[43:06] Speaker 2: there's you know, the mamou kelshpeey hot rumor out there,
[43:09] Speaker 2: just to see where he ends up. Tory Easton, is
[43:11] Speaker 2: he going back to Houston? Not Bradley Beal. That's not
[43:17] Speaker 2: a hot rumor. It's shouldn't be a hot free agent
[43:19] Speaker 2: at this point of his career.
[43:20] Speaker 1: I keep thinking Bradley Beal's retired.
[43:22] Speaker 2: Right, he's opted out of guaranteed money this year. Weird.
[43:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's still getting part of his giant deal
[43:31] Speaker 3: with the Suns. Right, he can take any sort of
[43:32] Speaker 3: deal and still make twenty million dollars.
[43:34] Speaker 2: He can still make money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's.
[43:37] Speaker 3: Got passive income right now.
[43:38] Speaker 1: He pretty does very smart.
[43:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think every NBA player has got passive income.
[43:43] Speaker 2: I mean in a different way. Lebron's making bucks.
[43:46] Speaker 3: Indeed, he is another guy who's making bucks. Free agent
[43:48] Speaker 3: guard Mike Conley Junior has agreed to sign a one
[43:51] Speaker 3: year deal with the Boston Celtics.
[43:56] Speaker 1: Oh okay, Michael Conley O human and Jessica yea, he
[44:02] Speaker 1: got this one done.
[44:03] Speaker 3: Conley becomes only the fourteenth player in NBA history to
[44:06] Speaker 3: reach twenty season.
[44:07] Speaker 1: I said that the other day when we were talking
[44:09] Speaker 1: Al Horford, I don't think you were here, tks like
[44:10] Speaker 1: once Conley signs, he'll be joining that list of guys
[44:14] Speaker 1: to play twenty years. All right, no Conley to the heat.
[44:17] Speaker 2: M hmm.
[44:18] Speaker 1: That's probably good news for maybe your Bells and your Middleton's.
[44:21] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, oh yeah, speech now might be a
[44:25] Speaker 1: spot for me.
[44:27] Speaker 2: Good luck to Michael Conley. Well, that.
[44:30] Speaker 1: News there spins nicely into my final question really with
[44:33] Speaker 1: free agency, and maybe you're tired of me asking this,
[44:35] Speaker 1: but what's gonna happen here with Jayleen Brown and the Celtics?
[44:39] Speaker 1: What do you think? Because if the Celtics can't find
[44:44] Speaker 1: a deal that they like enough on the market, are
[44:46] Speaker 1: both sides going to be able to let bygones be
[44:49] Speaker 1: bygones and get Jayleen Brown back to camp and iron
[44:53] Speaker 1: things out and move forward with the two j's and
[44:56] Speaker 1: this squad or has all this noise just gotten too
[44:59] Speaker 1: loud for everyone to quiet down? And now the Celtics
[45:03] Speaker 1: may be thinking, oh, we make it known that Jillen
[45:07] Speaker 1: Brown was available in the honest trade that falls through,
[45:09] Speaker 1: but we're going to have the entire league reaching out
[45:12] Speaker 1: to us for Jillen Brown deals and maybe that didn't happen,
[45:15] Speaker 1: and now they have to be the ones to be like, whoa,
[45:17] Speaker 1: oh boy, well are we trading them? Now we're the
[45:20] Speaker 1: ones that have to actively call teams. But what do
[45:22] Speaker 1: you think?
[45:23] Speaker 2: I think Jalen Brown is totally comfortable with what's going
[45:27] Speaker 2: on within the Boston Celtics and that organization, and outside
[45:31] Speaker 2: we hear the noise, and we hear him hit the
[45:34] Speaker 2: streams and talk about his scenario and talk about mainly
[45:39] Speaker 2: referees and talk about analytics and guys putting him down
[45:45] Speaker 2: on the list of good players because there's analytics aren't good.
[45:49] Speaker 2: I think it's more so that that bothers him and
[45:52] Speaker 2: more so all of that becomes what we hear about.
[45:55] Speaker 2: So I think he can make it happen. I believe
[45:58] Speaker 2: in these two parties, he's getting together, you know, meeting
[46:03] Speaker 2: across the aisle, even though they're in the same aisle.
[46:05] Speaker 2: Really it's the same team, same organization. I think they're fine. Yeah,
[46:08] Speaker 2: the couple rumors over the years, yeah, I know maybe
[46:12] Speaker 2: that irked him a bit, but I think they can
[46:15] Speaker 2: work through it. And I don't think the Celtics have
[46:17] Speaker 2: a good enough package where they say, oh, we're gonna
[46:19] Speaker 2: be better without Jalen Brown if we decide for that. So,
[46:23] Speaker 2: you know, maybe I'm wrong, but I think they go
[46:25] Speaker 2: back and play again.
[46:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, you nail that. The Celtics aren't getting a package
[46:29] Speaker 3: that they like for Jalen Brown. The rumors mill has
[46:32] Speaker 3: basically stopped running, like we're here, no buzz about Jalen Brown.
[46:36] Speaker 3: Sam Amck reported over at The Athletic that the Celtics
[46:38] Speaker 3: will have to significantly lower their asking price if they
[46:41] Speaker 3: plan on trading him anytime soon. That is not how
[46:43] Speaker 3: the Celtics have operated since Danny Ainge was there and
[46:46] Speaker 3: then after Brad Stevens took over. If you don't meet
[46:48] Speaker 3: their price, they don't do the trade. How many times
[46:50] Speaker 3: have we heard them trying to split up Brown and Tatum?
[46:54] Speaker 3: Amek and the guys ran through a bunch of the
[46:56] Speaker 3: teams that are potentially interested in Jalen Brown. Portland has
[46:59] Speaker 3: moderate intro seems like less interest from the Boston side
[47:02] Speaker 3: of things, No surprise, Denver has no picks to throw
[47:04] Speaker 3: in Brooklyn doesn't make sense to me. They don't really
[47:07] Speaker 3: have much interest. Houston is out I have to wonder
[47:10] Speaker 3: are the Hawks gonna get in the mix here. I know,
[47:12] Speaker 3: I know we've been talking about their like flexibility type
[47:16] Speaker 3: moves that they've been doing, the ability to save their
[47:19] Speaker 3: picks and throw them in the mix here. So I
[47:20] Speaker 3: wonder if they're like the surprise team. But seeing the
[47:23] Speaker 3: way this has gone down with Jalen Brown and the
[47:26] Speaker 3: Celtics and it looking like the relationship may be frayed,
[47:29] Speaker 3: but they don't have a way to replace them the
[47:30] Speaker 3: way they wanted. They really should have done that. Yeah,
[47:33] Speaker 3: honest deal, you're gonna tell me that you're gonna jeopardize
[47:35] Speaker 3: the relationship with Jalen Brown, miss out on the trade
[47:38] Speaker 3: because of Baylor Shireman Hugo Gonzales. You blew it. But
[47:44] Speaker 3: these big time trades for a player with a contract
[47:47] Speaker 3: like Jalen Brown, like the dude's a top five salary
[47:50] Speaker 3: and probably like a top ten to fifteen player, you know,
[47:53] Speaker 3: it's a little bit out of whack. They can take
[47:55] Speaker 3: a little bit more time. Carl Anthony Towns was in
[47:57] Speaker 3: the same situation with the Timberwolves. He didn't get traded
[47:59] Speaker 3: until September. The Donovan Mitchell trade was pretty late in
[48:03] Speaker 3: the offseason as well, So maybe a team gets desperate
[48:06] Speaker 3: in a couple of months and wants Jalen Brown, but
[48:07] Speaker 3: I kind of think he's the Celtics though.
[48:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, how desperate the teams get, I think is a
[48:12] Speaker 1: good way to put it here, especially with all these
[48:13] Speaker 1: moves being made and all these other big trades like
[48:15] Speaker 1: Kauai obviously going on the raps. That's you know, that's
[48:18] Speaker 1: competition to the Celtics here and maybe to another team
[48:21] Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference. Maybe it is like the Hawks
[48:23] Speaker 1: or something like whoa, well, we got to keep up
[48:24] Speaker 1: here too and go get the hometown boy and him.
[48:27] Speaker 1: I was like been playing around on the old trade
[48:31] Speaker 1: machine with the Hawks as maybe more back interested in
[48:35] Speaker 1: Jillen Brown and what it would take.
[48:36] Speaker 2: To who's the part. Who is it all about the
[48:39] Speaker 2: picks with the Hawks or are they actually giving it.
[48:42] Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of picks here with the
[48:44] Speaker 1: with the Celtics. So I believe those reports because it's
[48:47] Speaker 1: like you guys have already said it, basically, whoever you're going
[48:50] Speaker 1: to trade, I mean, maybe outside of the honest factor,
[48:52] Speaker 1: but whoever you're going to trade and get back is
[48:54] Speaker 1: not going to be as good as Jalen Brown. But
[48:57] Speaker 1: it's going to set you up maybe for the next
[48:59] Speaker 1: play with Taitu as you as your cornerstone, because you'll
[49:02] Speaker 1: have picks and obviously much much more draft cap or
[49:06] Speaker 1: contracts to work with and stuff like that. So that's
[49:08] Speaker 1: how I think they'll be looking at it if they're
[49:10] Speaker 1: moving off a gel in Brown. So the Hawks could
[49:12] Speaker 1: get there and it makes you go like, oh, that's
[49:14] Speaker 1: why they're picking up Buddy hial It's ten million, and
[49:16] Speaker 1: you know, you know Receche obviously look a number one
[49:20] Speaker 1: pick recently. Still they have pieces and players. They could
[49:24] Speaker 1: be aggressive and get jelling Brown, I think, or at
[49:25] Speaker 1: least put an enticing offer together. We'll just see. It'll
[49:29] Speaker 1: take all summer, won't it. Yes, probably, yes, will probably.
[49:32] Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break when we come back.
[49:34] Speaker 1: Is this news.
[49:38] Speaker 3: All right?
[49:38] Speaker 1: Feels a little sacrilegious to do this on Canada Day,
[49:40] Speaker 1: but you say, you say, you say, let's go big
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[50:19] Speaker 1: looking good yesterday. Yeah, I looked at the favorites for
[50:23] Speaker 1: sure right now. Three to zero on Sweden. If Canada
[50:28] Speaker 1: or excuse me, once Canada beats Morocco shocks the world
[50:30] Speaker 1: once again, they'll be taken on France.
[50:32] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
[50:34] Speaker 3: And Boppe.
[50:36] Speaker 1: They they look goss.
[50:38] Speaker 3: If they lose, it'll be a shock.
[50:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. But USA feeling good tonight, of.
[50:43] Speaker 3: Course, of course Bosnia. I don't know anything about Bosnia,
[50:46] Speaker 3: but Bosnia is in trouble flow ball again scoring a
[50:51] Speaker 3: goal the night. That's a plus one hundred on Fandel.
[50:53] Speaker 1: Wow, see's it going in the back of the net.
[50:55] Speaker 1: You can picture it, that's right.
[50:56] Speaker 3: Hopefully he's not. Rusty sat that last game at Dusty
[51:00] Speaker 3: Rush for the new Norway team last night. I guess
[51:03] Speaker 3: that was the afternoon. I don't know. Even the announcers
[51:06] Speaker 3: were confused about what time it was. They were calling again.
[51:08] Speaker 3: They're like, it's noon here in Dallas.
[51:10] Speaker 1: I will say every day the start time is different
[51:13] Speaker 1: for never games. It's not like a set schedule. It's
[51:16] Speaker 1: like bouncing around. But three more on today. There's one
[51:19] Speaker 1: here in Atlanta.
[51:20] Speaker 2: The early one.
[51:21] Speaker 1: It's uh, England Congo. It's England Congo's right, yeah, it's
[51:25] Speaker 1: tweve o'clock starts soon here. Let's get off.
[51:27] Speaker 3: Oh that Mexico game was prettywee.
[51:29] Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, Hey, USA better not blow this tonight.
[51:32] Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. North American teams are through. That's right, Canada, Mexico,
[51:37] Speaker 1: and now America's got to complete the trifecta here. All right?
[51:40] Speaker 1: Is this news, JD. Let's do it. Headlines for the boys,
[51:47] Speaker 1: not really related to free agency. Something different. Now. We
[51:51] Speaker 1: did slip the sin on last night's show, but let's
[51:54] Speaker 1: talk about it a little bit more because the Indie
[51:56] Speaker 1: Star has the headline. NBA Cup Final to be held
[51:59] Speaker 1: at butt Hinkle Field House, Trey Kirby. Is this news?
[52:05] Speaker 3: Yes, this is news. They told us they were maybe
[52:08] Speaker 3: gonna be moving the Cup finals, and they moved the
[52:10] Speaker 3: Cup finals.
[52:11] Speaker 2: How about that?
[52:11] Speaker 3: I think it's worth a shot. Vegas didn't work the
[52:14] Speaker 3: way the NBA was hoping it was gonna work. But
[52:17] Speaker 3: I wonder if that's more so a function of this
[52:22] Speaker 3: being a mid season tournament than it is where it's located. Right, Like,
[52:27] Speaker 3: I mean, people travel for the Super Bowl despite it
[52:29] Speaker 3: being in a different city every year. That's for the championship.
[52:31] Speaker 3: This is for the second championship that doesn't have nearly
[52:34] Speaker 3: the respect that the super Bowl or the NBA Championship has.
[52:38] Speaker 3: But yeah, cool, go to places where it's gonna be
[52:42] Speaker 3: something unusual, history or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does Indiana
[52:49] Speaker 3: and Indianapolis have an NBA team, Yeah, they do, So
[52:52] Speaker 3: I would prefer like Louisville Cameron In or Stadium something
[52:57] Speaker 3: like that, a team or a place that doesn't actually
[52:59] Speaker 3: have an end a team. I'm sure they'll get there,
[53:01] Speaker 3: that's eventually, but sure.
[53:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, this is going to be a part of the
[53:04] Speaker 1: NBA's like multi year vision here to move this around.
[53:07] Speaker 1: And I think this makes a ton of sense. I
[53:09] Speaker 1: like this whole too.
[53:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's emulating like what Major League Baseball
[53:13] Speaker 2: does with the Field of Dreams game or the Outdoor
[53:16] Speaker 2: Classic for the NHL, Like you know, something bigger that
[53:19] Speaker 2: celebrates the game in the middle of the season. Simple
[53:23] Speaker 2: as that. And so we'll see the finals in Indiana
[53:25] Speaker 2: exciting stuff. If the Pacers get there. I mean that's
[53:29] Speaker 2: a home court advantage, yeah, for sure. I think Gordon
[53:32] Speaker 2: Hayward will be there. Butler, you know, they're just gonna
[53:35] Speaker 2: hire him do stuff. I mean, Braden Smith is now
[53:38] Speaker 2: on the Indiana Pacers from local Lafayette.
[53:42] Speaker 1: That'll be fun for story rights itself. Yeah, but it's
[53:46] Speaker 1: a good point that the semi finals are not, of
[53:48] Speaker 1: course in Vegas like they were these last couple of
[53:50] Speaker 1: years as well. It's they are in the the NBA
[53:54] Speaker 1: team home markets, Yeah exactly, whoever has that home court advantage.
[53:57] Speaker 1: So that's that'll be more exciting too, for sure. I
[54:00] Speaker 1: think those semi final games and then we have this
[54:02] Speaker 1: final here at least at the hinkle Field House. Do
[54:05] Speaker 1: we have a photo in the hinkle Field House? JD.
[54:07] Speaker 1: I mean it looks cool. Oh oh, lights on there.
[54:10] Speaker 2: You go, oh turn the lights on.
[54:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it's gonna look great on TV. That's
[54:15] Speaker 1: the thing. And that's like the move here, even if
[54:17] Speaker 1: like I don't know how were ticket sales anyway in Vegas,
[54:20] Speaker 1: they didn't seem all that amazing, and it's just a
[54:23] Speaker 1: generic T Mobile arena. It's like whatever, who cares do
[54:26] Speaker 1: cool things like this? Especially with the NBA Cup. This
[54:29] Speaker 1: is exactly what you use to try things like this and.
[54:32] Speaker 2: Move around and you announce it during NBA free agencies
[54:36] Speaker 2: when people still care about basketball.
[54:37] Speaker 1: Okay, this was weird.
[54:39] Speaker 2: Instead of doing it in August or September when no
[54:42] Speaker 2: one's watching, like, get get prepared for next season. If
[54:45] Speaker 2: you're gonna go, like Trey mentioned, you know people go
[54:48] Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl, get your tickets now. I think
[54:50] Speaker 2: that's the idea, instead of in the off season when
[54:52] Speaker 2: no one cares about basketball, fewer people care about basketball,
[54:55] Speaker 2: or in October November it's too late.
[54:57] Speaker 1: Okay. The news of where they're gonna have the NBA
[55:00] Speaker 1: Cup championship is one thing. I still think that's a
[55:02] Speaker 1: little strange to drop it right when free agency started,
[55:05] Speaker 1: but then we got the group draw results last night, too,
[55:11] Speaker 1: very weird, just timing, Just like, why are we dropping
[55:14] Speaker 1: this right now? Anyway, here they are. I'm not going
[55:16] Speaker 1: to read it for all the podcast listeners. Just know
[55:19] Speaker 1: that everybody call is calling the Group of Death East
[55:22] Speaker 1: b Oh. Yeah, Nick's Calves, Sixers, Heat, and Pacers, and
[55:26] Speaker 1: that's a pretty stacked group there.
[55:28] Speaker 3: Ja Sixers got screwed six pretty hard. Yeah.
[55:32] Speaker 1: So yeah, you think that is the group of death.
[55:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you squint, that could be the
[55:40] Speaker 3: top five teams in the Eastern Conference. I mean, no
[55:42] Speaker 3: disrespect to the Celtics or the Raptors or the Pistons
[55:45] Speaker 3: who are also going to be in the mix, but
[55:46] Speaker 3: it could happen that the Knicks, Calves, Sixers, Pacers, and
[55:49] Speaker 3: Heat somehow formulate the top five. I think West Group
[55:52] Speaker 3: A is also pretty interesting. I assume the Jazz will
[55:55] Speaker 3: be better this year. Hard to tell what the Mavericks
[55:57] Speaker 3: are going to be. But year two for Cooper Flagg,
[55:59] Speaker 3: Kyrieer allegedly coming back, and when we know the Suns
[56:02] Speaker 3: are at least trying to win now, and then the
[56:03] Speaker 3: Nuggets and the Rockets are kind of on par with
[56:06] Speaker 3: each other. I think the Nuggets are better, but you
[56:08] Speaker 3: know they're in the same contention. Tire.
[56:10] Speaker 1: It should be interesting.
[56:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we ever care about the groups.
[56:16] Speaker 3: That's the thing. They can reveal the groups right now.
[56:18] Speaker 3: Everybody will forget by the time this season comes around
[56:20] Speaker 3: and then they put out the same graphic. I'm like,
[56:22] Speaker 3: what this is awesome?
[56:23] Speaker 1: Is this news?
[56:24] Speaker 2: No?
[56:24] Speaker 3: We talked about it in June.
[56:26] Speaker 1: I can't wait to do it again though, Yeah me neither.
[56:28] Speaker 1: JD just saved that graphic Okay, so I don't have
[56:31] Speaker 1: to grab it again.
[56:33] Speaker 3: To the nets. Huge official two years, nineteen million mutual option.
[56:39] Speaker 1: That's the DOUBLET.
[56:43] Speaker 3: I love it.
[56:44] Speaker 2: Sean Marx reinventing the wheel. That's new.
[56:48] Speaker 3: Not since Darryl Morey invented the poison pill contract for
[56:51] Speaker 3: omer Ashik have we seen innovation like this. This is
[56:54] Speaker 3: a team and player of muhame deal mutual, yes or no?
[56:59] Speaker 1: Fascinating fascinating stuff. All right, I got some other news here. Oh,
[57:03] Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear your thoughts on this one.
[57:06] Speaker 1: Headline from ESPN, but you've seen it around everywhere. It's
[57:09] Speaker 1: actually from a men's health magazine. I guess Ben Simmons
[57:13] Speaker 1: training for comeback after season on the sidelines. Tass Is
[57:18] Speaker 1: this news?
[57:20] Speaker 3: Nah?
[57:20] Speaker 2: So much? I wouldn't call this news. Listen Ben Simmons.
[57:24] Speaker 2: Cool to hear him say he needed to find himself again,
[57:26] Speaker 2: take some time off, do the fishing thing. Yep. But
[57:30] Speaker 2: I think the most important thing is it's not where
[57:33] Speaker 2: he chooses to play, it's what team chooses him. So
[57:37] Speaker 2: when he says, maybe I'll go back to Philly, Miami
[57:40] Speaker 2: would be nice, it ain't about that. It's about the
[57:42] Speaker 2: team that wants him. And so that almost makes it
[57:46] Speaker 2: seem like I gotta pick where I want. That's not
[57:49] Speaker 2: how it works at this point in your career.
[57:51] Speaker 1: Right, the last time we saw you play, you were
[57:53] Speaker 1: averaging three, three and four something whatever.
[57:57] Speaker 2: He was averaging numbers when he put it through three
[58:00] Speaker 2: or four triple double.
[58:01] Speaker 1: Actually they were. I have him in front of me
[58:03] Speaker 1: two point nine points per game, three point eight rebounds,
[58:05] Speaker 1: and three point one assist in eighteen games with the
[58:07] Speaker 1: Clippers in twenty four five.
[58:09] Speaker 2: He was the backup center Go hit Yo Kitchen that
[58:11] Speaker 2: playoff series essentially.
[58:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben Simmons, Uh, you know you're the big fisherman
[58:16] Speaker 1: here of the group. Are you sad to see him
[58:20] Speaker 1: leave the fishing world? I guess it's the better way
[58:22] Speaker 1: to spin this.
[58:23] Speaker 3: He'd really found his place.
[58:24] Speaker 1: He didn't. Wasn't he on a championship team?
[58:26] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[58:26] Speaker 3: That he owned That's awesome.
[58:28] Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
[58:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, he bought the team, put himself on the team,
[58:31] Speaker 3: and then won the championship. It's like, imagine he did
[58:34] Speaker 3: that in the NBA, But I don't know. I read
[58:36] Speaker 3: this whole Men's Health magazine piece. One of our best
[58:39] Speaker 3: news breakers out there, Men's Health. Remember we got the
[58:41] Speaker 3: Luca Dontis feature last year. Yeah, it was a Men's
[58:43] Speaker 3: Health that was a lie. He was in the exact
[58:46] Speaker 3: same shape that he was, So I assume this is
[58:47] Speaker 3: a little bit of a lot as well. But he
[58:49] Speaker 3: seems happy. Yeah, Ben Simmons does. He seems optimistic. He
[58:52] Speaker 3: seems like he's kind of found himself a little bit.
[58:55] Speaker 3: I would say it didn't seem to me like he
[58:58] Speaker 3: was taking a ton of accountability of the way things
[59:00] Speaker 3: went down at the end of his Philadelphia tenure. He's
[59:03] Speaker 3: blaming everything on the injuries. What's is certainly a part
[59:06] Speaker 3: of it, but he won't admit to any sort of
[59:09] Speaker 3: shortcomings on the mental side of things, which you know
[59:11] Speaker 3: is probably a defense mechanism that he has to keep
[59:14] Speaker 3: in his mind to try and make some sort of
[59:17] Speaker 3: a comeback here. But I just wonder if he has
[59:19] Speaker 3: anything to offer a team like I assume they'll still
[59:21] Speaker 3: be a physical presence, being six' ten and. Fast it'll
[59:24] Speaker 3: be a good, defender like he can pass the, ball
[59:27] Speaker 3: he can. REBOUND i don't think he's gonna have a
[59:30] Speaker 3: ton of confidence on. Offense seems like a bench player to.
[59:32] Speaker 3: Me so if he's willing to accept eight minutes a
[59:35] Speaker 3: game and a veteran minimum, CONTRACT i could see Ben
[59:38] Speaker 3: zimmon's playing in THE nba.
[59:39] Speaker 2: Again he did go a little further on him Liking
[59:42] Speaker 2: miami that he Likes Eric. Spoltra he just likes the heat.
[59:45] Speaker 2: Culture so does that mean he likes to play hard
[59:48] Speaker 2: all of a, Sudden that's that's where he. Applies that's
[59:51] Speaker 2: ALL i.
[59:51] Speaker 1: NEED i just need to be in the heat.
[59:53] Speaker 2: CULTURE i get that you need a coach that really rails. You,
[59:57] Speaker 2: Essentially i'll tell you where he's not.
[59:58] Speaker 1: GOING i don't think he's going back to The philadelphia
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: seventy six. Ers. UNLIKELY i think that's smart for all.
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: PARTIES i don't think that should. Happen whether there's a
[1:00:07] Speaker 1: spot form and they need them and they, know just
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: let's not do That. Miami, yeah maybe another, team, Sure
[1:00:12] Speaker 1: AND i might to see him back in the league.
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: AGAIN i wouldn't be expecting a whole, lot but like you,
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: said his physical attributes, Alone, yeah there's a spot for.
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: YOU i guess you were good when you started your.
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: Career you were actually, very very.
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: Good and it wasn't that article where he talks about
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: the pass when he was With philadelphia right in THE
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: a twenty twenty one playoffs where he passed it to
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: Miss tastible and he essentially blames him for missing free. Throws, right, yes, yeah, yeah, no.
[1:00:41] Speaker 2: Cool he's basically, SAID i passed him at thee. Stible
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: he's a better free throw shooter than, me so that's
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: WHY i passed it to. Him it's too bad he.
[1:00:48] Speaker 3: DIDN'T i always joked with, him why didn't you make
[1:00:51] Speaker 3: those free? Throws he, Said i'm, like come, on, man,
[1:00:53] Speaker 3: yeah dunk.
[1:00:54] Speaker 1: IT i mean it was crazy to, See, uh at
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: Least Ben simmons not in a basketball Old jim taking
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: three point shots without his shirt, on but instead of
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: men's health on a fishing boat without a shirt. On hate,
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: shirts he hates. Shirts, yeah, yeah he looked.
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: Ripped and he was catching some funky looking. Fish, Yeah
[1:01:14] Speaker 3: i'm not like even you didn't, know well they put
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: stripes on fish like.
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: That, oh, YEAH i did see that. ONE i guess
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: it's got.
[1:01:18] Speaker 3: One that looked like a pair Of Ja morant's.
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: Shoes that's, cool.
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: Man where are you getting.
[1:01:24] Speaker 1: Is the video of him chucking it back like he
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: did the bubble.
[1:01:30] Speaker 4: For?
[1:01:30] Speaker 3: Him was he a fisherman before the? Bubble they just
[1:01:33] Speaker 3: caught the?
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: BUG i don't. Know, YEAH i don't.
[1:01:35] Speaker 3: Know i'll have to read the In fishermen next.
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: Season.
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: Yeah final headline here from The athletic hand of OG
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: Nba finals game ball pulled from auction to remain with The.
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: Knicks let me explain this for those that are, like
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: what the hell is that? Headline, so the ball That
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: Ojiana noobi tipped in to seal the biggest comeback in
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: THE Nba finals history and Win game four against The
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: spurs was actually returned to The knicks shortly before was
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: scheduled to hit the auction block On. Tuesday Darren ravel
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: was all over this because it was gonna go up,
[1:02:08] Speaker 1: there and there's a bunch of OTHER Nba finals related.
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: Items but then it was pulled and THE nba, said
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: through a spokesman in a, statement the game ball From
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: game four The finals holds significant importance to The, knicks their,
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: fans the. City it will remain with the team as
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: a lasting piece of franchise. History, trey is this newsworthy at?
[1:02:26] Speaker 2: All?
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: HERE i don't know if it's, newsworthy BUT i think
[1:02:30] Speaker 3: it's good that it, happened because WHEN i read the,
[1:02:32] Speaker 3: HEADLINE i was, Like Indiana jones. Mode that belongs in a.
[1:02:36] Speaker 3: Museum some rich guy should not be buying the hand
[1:02:40] Speaker 3: of og, ball which should belong with The. Knicks AND
[1:02:42] Speaker 3: i think that that's kind of like a weird thing
[1:02:44] Speaker 3: that's happened as collectibles have really, boomed is that everything
[1:02:49] Speaker 3: becomes a. Collectible it's like every ball from every, game
[1:02:52] Speaker 3: it's a fight over who gets to keep it and
[1:02:54] Speaker 3: who gets to sell it and who gets to display. It,
[1:02:56] Speaker 3: yeah every single. Jersey, like it's weird that THE nba
[1:02:59] Speaker 3: has this partnership where they're like instantly shipping out stuff
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: that should be staying with. Teams SO i think it's
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: really good that THE nixt went and got the ball
[1:03:07] Speaker 3: from their historic, win their first championship in fifty three.
[1:03:10] Speaker 3: Years that was the pinnacle of their. Comebacks, yeah being
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: able to pull that. Off so the ball belongs with,
[1:03:16] Speaker 3: Them And i'm glad they got it.
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: Back trace that. Perfectly that's who values. IT i didn't
[1:03:22] Speaker 2: like the idea Of James dolan or The knicks making
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: some extra money off some auction or whoever ends up
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: keeping that. Money, yeah we.
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: Heard about this deck bro In Silicon valley having that
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: ball in his.
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: House we heard enough about folding chairs At cavs games
[1:03:40] Speaker 2: and who was buying. Those Taylor swift was sitting on,
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: one and who Was who are the other? Ones i'm
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: literally looking up the rapper's. Name who was Machine Gun?
[1:03:49] Speaker 2: Kelly Machine Gun? Kelly nobody wanted.
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: Machine anybody buy that?
[1:03:52] Speaker 2: ONE i guess not check my.
[1:03:54] Speaker 1: Auctions there's a bunch of still, Items like you, Said.
[1:03:56] Speaker 1: Trey they quickly turned this stuff around because they have
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: this deal With. Sothby's BUT i guess the standout piece
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: maybe now Is Jellen brunson's jersey From game. One it's
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: one of the pieces that you can bid. On i'm
[1:04:08] Speaker 1: sure that would go for a lot of. Money m
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: hm in a good game one he came. On he
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: caught on fire in the fourth. Quarter it's got the
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: cool little finals logo on the, back like you're a next.
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: Fan you're gonna be and you got a lot of.
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: Money you're gonna be trying for, THAT i. Assume but
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: not the ball, baby not the ball, baby like how
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: they call it the hand of og. Ball just so?
[1:04:26] Speaker 1: Good all, right that's ALL i got for. You it's
[1:04:29] Speaker 1: all the, news so we'll call it. There we'll see
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: what else comes in over the next couple dayscause we're
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: gonn take a break You.
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: No, No i'm. Refreshing I'm wagner the last time you
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: get one last little bit of slop for.
[1:04:41] Speaker 2: You.
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, no that's.
[1:04:42] Speaker 3: Okay But Steve human's busy right. NOW i mean we
[1:04:46] Speaker 3: had new agents in The Norman. Powell oh, YEAH i was,
[1:04:49] Speaker 3: like who the hell are these? People twitter? Account, yeah
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: link into the Agent's twitter.
[1:04:56] Speaker 2: Account, okay not that anybody really, cares BUT i guess
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: with these two sided opt, Ins schamps makes it clear
[1:05:04] Speaker 2: if either opts. In, okay SO i was, Right you're.
[1:05:06] Speaker 1: Good, yeah it doesn't have to be both team says.
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: Hey we want your, Back, Mo, wagner you're coming.
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: Back that's HOW i thought it. Was wasn't one hundred?
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: Percent so good to.
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: Nothing but even if the team is like we don't
[1:05:16] Speaker 3: want you, back And wagner, Says i'm. Common, yeah they
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: got clear a.
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: Spot, yeah that is a funny. Option, yeah that is very.
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: Interesting now two, guys you, said And ellis And.
[1:05:26] Speaker 2: Wagner, well this is How shams put. It the deal
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: contains a mutual option guaranteed the nineteen million dollars For
[1:05:31] Speaker 2: wagner while allowing either side to opt in bracket not
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: not opt, out along with having a conversation about doing
[1:05:40] Speaker 2: a new contract next.
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: Summer so What, yeah leave it To schams to make it.
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: Clear you've just made it more.
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: Confused, yeah, YEAH i.
[1:05:51] Speaker 3: Can't wait to. Play who says?
[1:05:52] Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
[1:05:56] Speaker 3: Just says, Yes, Kean, Ellis Mo. Wagner hopefully they do another.
[1:05:59] Speaker 2: One most, Yes i'll guaranteed. THAT i Think kean might.
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: Not he might go get some more. Money Javon.
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: Carter but then the team Came Javon.
[1:06:06] Speaker 3: Carter it's not a double deal for.
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: Sure John carter's sticking With orlando three point five million.
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: DOLLARS i did forget about. That it's a it's A
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: bartle way to go market Market wepton. Tonight, yeah it
[1:06:22] Speaker 1: was a late night last. Night all, Right we'll wait
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: to see the biggest thing here is really the restricted
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: free agency Of Jayalen duran and like you, said The
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: Peyton watson maybe the targets and there are things. Here
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: the plan is for us to take a break just.
[1:06:35] Speaker 1: Tomorrow we're gonna be back here On Friday The Drop
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: podcast ten Am eastern live on. YouTube so hit the
[1:06:42] Speaker 1: light button. Subscribe you know you can hit the little
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: notify thing there when we're going. Live so, yeah we'll
[1:06:47] Speaker 1: be back On, friday unless there's an emergency newsworthy items,
[1:06:51] Speaker 1: dropping so otherwise we'll see it. Then Clton, rose you
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: heard it here.
[1:06:54] Speaker 3: First have a great time turn. Up love you guys.
[1:06:57] Speaker 2: Awesome thanks for joining. Us and remember the ONLY nba
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: free agency that is actually free is watching or listening
[1:07:04] Speaker 2: To No.
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