# 2026 NBA Free Agency Special | Kawhi Traded To Raptors, LeBron Leaves Lakers, Every Rumor & Signing

An episode of [No Dunks](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1468409996), 30 Jun 2026, 1 h 27 min.

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On Tue. night's NBA Free Agency Special podcast, the guys discuss the Raptors trading for Kawhi Leonard (again), LeBron James telling the Lakers he's leaving and where he'll play next, Jalen Duren testing restricted free agency, the Blazers buying low on Ja Morant, the Thunder and Spurs bringing back key pieces, the pros and cons of Andrew Wiggins' new three-year deal with the Heat, and every reported transaction from the past 24 hours. ✍️ No Dunks' Substack has ad-free episodes: https://nodunks.substack.com/ 👕 Fix up, look sharp in No Dunks merch: https://bit.ly/4qi6nin 📈 Subscribe to No Dunks on YouTube: YouTube.com/nodunksinc 𝕏 Follow No Dunks on Twitter/X: https://x.com/NoDunksInc 📸 Follow No Dunks on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nodunksinc/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:13] Speaker 1: Good evening, Sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunks Podcast,
[0:17] Speaker 1: presented by Fan Duel. It's Tuesday Night, June thirtieth, twenty
[0:21] Speaker 1: twenty six. I'm Jay Skeets here in the Classic Factory
[0:24] Speaker 1: and alongside me as always Tass.
[0:25] Speaker 2: Mellus, People Love Canada.
[0:28] Speaker 1: Hey next to him, it's my top shot hop boy,
[0:31] Speaker 1: Trey Kirby, Hey, heyo, and over yonder making the magic happen.
[0:35] Speaker 1: Super producer jd. Hello, there he is here, we are.
[0:38] Speaker 1: There's a lot of magic to make happen here tonight.
[0:40] Speaker 1: NBA Free Agency does not officially start until the top
[0:44] Speaker 1: of the hour at six pm Eastern, but we've had
[0:48] Speaker 1: a flurry of activity over the last twenty four hours
[0:50] Speaker 1: or so. The off season well underway. If you're joining
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[1:02] Speaker 1: Where to start start? Let's start with the Toronto Raptors
[1:06] Speaker 1: getting Kawhi Leonard back. What year is it, twenty nineteen? Yeah,
[1:10] Speaker 1: the Clippers are nearing a deal. That's how Sham's reported
[1:13] Speaker 1: it to send Kawhi Leonard back to the Toronto Raptors
[1:17] Speaker 1: for Brandon Ingram, Grady Dick, two first round picks, one
[1:22] Speaker 1: pick swap, and two second rounders b I Dick and picks.
[1:27] Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard running it back. Holy crap, Tasks. You know,
[1:33] Speaker 1: we'd heard some rumors about this over the last couple
[1:35] Speaker 1: of days, and it happens here. By all accounts, he's
[1:39] Speaker 1: coming back. What do you think? What's your reaction to
[1:42] Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard coming back to.
[1:43] Speaker 2: The Raps When you say Bi Dick and picks.
[1:46] Speaker 3: I really think that Kawhi Leonard was traded for the picks,
[1:50] Speaker 3: the two first round picks, because they've got to be
[1:52] Speaker 3: extremely happy that they didn't have to give up Rgie
[1:55] Speaker 3: Barrett or somebody that's going to be part of the
[1:57] Speaker 3: rotation because Brandon Ingram wasn't playable in the season, kind
[2:00] Speaker 3: of fell apart in the postseason, played it off the floor.
[2:03] Speaker 3: They're kind of better without him. Grady Dick wasn't really
[2:07] Speaker 3: part of the rotation. Kawhi Leonard said, all right, this
[2:10] Speaker 3: Clippers thing ain't working. I'm out of here. I need
[2:13] Speaker 3: to go somewhere where I can win. He wants to
[2:15] Speaker 3: line himself up with Scotty Barnes. When you got those
[2:17] Speaker 3: top two guys, you need your third as a two
[2:20] Speaker 3: way player. And that's why Brandon Ingram I think as
[2:22] Speaker 3: much as he is part of the package that goes back,
[2:25] Speaker 3: I just start looking at the rest of their team
[2:27] Speaker 3: and RJ. Barrett, Yacker Pearl starting beside them. Emmanuel quickly
[2:31] Speaker 3: didn't play a second in the playoffs because he was hurt.
[2:33] Speaker 3: And then your second unit of Colin Murray Boyles, who
[2:37] Speaker 3: almost was ending games a lot of the time for
[2:39] Speaker 3: this Raptors team as a rook plus Jamal shed and
[2:43] Speaker 3: you're Jacobe Walter. I get pretty excited about this team.
[2:46] Speaker 3: I think they could easily finish top three in the
[2:48] Speaker 3: Eastern Conference standings. Baby, I don't think that it would
[2:53] Speaker 3: be a surprise if they finished first in the standings.
[2:56] Speaker 2: I know it sounds a little nuts, but we don't
[2:58] Speaker 2: know what the Pistons are.
[3:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, they won fifty three team wins last season, and
[3:04] Speaker 3: of course the Celtics are going to be really good.
[3:06] Speaker 3: But this Raptors team, I think we'll go into each
[3:09] Speaker 3: game thinking that they can win a game. And you know,
[3:11] Speaker 3: from forty six and uh and thirty six, I think
[3:15] Speaker 3: they could literally get up in the high fifties. You know,
[3:18] Speaker 3: in the postseason it's different and all that. But you
[3:21] Speaker 3: got a healthy Kawhi. I don't care about this. Yeah,
[3:23] Speaker 3: Kawhi has n't played and he's injured in all that
[3:25] Speaker 3: he plays sixty five games last season. He goes back
[3:27] Speaker 3: to a Toronto team led by Alex mckechney.
[3:30] Speaker 1: Why when this guy's healthy, he's not really healthy.
[3:33] Speaker 4: Come on, he's healthy until the second he's out for.
[3:36] Speaker 5: The rest of his career. That's what it's like with
[3:38] Speaker 5: Kawhi Leonard.
[3:38] Speaker 4: He is healthy as can be right now, the gay
[3:41] Speaker 4: that counts him healthier than healthy?
[3:43] Speaker 2: What if guys can change?
[3:44] Speaker 4: That happens a lot as they get older, they get healthier. Well,
[3:47] Speaker 4: come on, this is awesome for the Raptors. They salary
[3:50] Speaker 4: dumped Brandon Ingram and they got Kawhi Leonard. Yeah, that's
[3:52] Speaker 4: a huge upgrade for their team. Now they're going to
[3:54] Speaker 4: have to pay Kawai going forward. But the Raptors had
[3:56] Speaker 4: no championship window before today. Now they got a little
[3:59] Speaker 4: one with you task could be the second best team
[4:02] Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference. We don't know what the Celtics
[4:04] Speaker 4: are going to look like the Pistons are a little
[4:06] Speaker 4: unsettled right now. They won sixty games, they won a
[4:08] Speaker 4: playoff series last year. They'll be in the mix. We
[4:11] Speaker 4: don't know about Tyre's Haliburton coming back from an achilles
[4:14] Speaker 4: tendon tear followed by Shingles with a new guy, and
[4:17] Speaker 4: it beats the Zubats. Things are going to change in
[4:19] Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference outside of the Knicks and the Raptors
[4:21] Speaker 4: are going to be right there.
[4:22] Speaker 5: They still need a center upgrade.
[4:23] Speaker 4: You can't realistically be a title contender with Pearl as
[4:26] Speaker 4: your starting center, but he's not going to be the
[4:27] Speaker 4: closing center. It'll be a front court of Barnes, CMB
[4:31] Speaker 4: and Kawhi Leonard. The defense is going to be nasty.
[4:33] Speaker 4: The offense is probably also going to be nasty. But
[4:35] Speaker 4: now instead of having Ingram as the last shot taker,
[4:37] Speaker 4: you got Kawhi Leonard.
[4:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, Toronto's half court offense was a mess last season.
[4:41] Speaker 1: Now you have Kawhi at least if he's healthy. Big
[4:44] Speaker 1: part I was laughing because you were poo pooing the
[4:47] Speaker 1: lamellow ball going to the MINNESOTAABA Wolves and you were
[4:49] Speaker 1: rolling your eyes that he had one healthy season here,
[4:52] Speaker 1: but for the most part has been injured. So you
[4:54] Speaker 1: sort of cheat your tune a little bit because Kawhi
[4:56] Speaker 1: had a good year for him.
[4:57] Speaker 2: That's a different tune.
[4:58] Speaker 1: Man.
[4:59] Speaker 2: Still, Leonards started his.
[5:01] Speaker 3: Career being very, very healthy. He was in Toronto, had
[5:05] Speaker 3: an incredible season. Going back to his.
[5:08] Speaker 1: I mean he missed a quarter of it.
[5:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but Ben he went and played more than
[5:11] Speaker 3: anybody in that postseason, playing thirty nine minutes a game,
[5:14] Speaker 3: twenty four games out there in the playoffs. Going back
[5:17] Speaker 3: with Alex McKechnie, the vice president of Player Health and Performance,
[5:20] Speaker 3: the guy that he was able to do it with.
[5:22] Speaker 3: LaMelo didn't start his career playing all these games quiet.
[5:26] Speaker 3: Come on, come on. He was one of the best
[5:27] Speaker 3: players in this in the NBA last season getting all
[5:30] Speaker 3: these MVP votes.
[5:32] Speaker 2: I'm not sure on modern.
[5:33] Speaker 3: Medicine and whether this guy's going to play a ton
[5:36] Speaker 3: for the rest of his career. But to give up
[5:37] Speaker 3: two first round picks which aren't going to be all
[5:39] Speaker 3: that great. If they're a twenty twenty seven Raptors first
[5:43] Speaker 3: round pick, it's not going to be all that great.
[5:44] Speaker 3: A twenty twenty nine first round Raptors first round pick
[5:47] Speaker 3: never may not be all that great either, considering you've
[5:50] Speaker 3: got Scotty Barnes leading you. I don't think it's a
[5:53] Speaker 3: bad package at all to go from what it seemed
[5:56] Speaker 3: to be, whether when it was r. J. Barrett and
[5:58] Speaker 3: Yaker Perl to get extra a lot thinner on your team.
[6:02] Speaker 3: This is this is this is.
[6:05] Speaker 1: This is the definition of trading an eighty two game
[6:07] Speaker 1: player in Brandon Ingram for a sixteen game player in
[6:10] Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard done. And it took up some draft capital
[6:14] Speaker 1: and who knows how great these will be, especially with
[6:16] Speaker 1: new draft lottery reform and all that. And maybe he's
[6:18] Speaker 1: injured and suddenly it's like and there's our face. But
[6:22] Speaker 1: Bobby Webster has been searching for a big name for
[6:24] Speaker 1: a while here. He's been linked in every trade rumor
[6:27] Speaker 1: with a big name coming up, you know, the Honestes
[6:29] Speaker 1: and LaMelo even he was linked to, and maybe there
[6:32] Speaker 1: was some Jalen Brown whispers. He ultimately decides on Kwi
[6:35] Speaker 1: and Kawhi played a part in this trade because it
[6:36] Speaker 1: sounds he's like, I'm willing to sign an extension with
[6:39] Speaker 1: Toronto Raptors. That's a huge part of this. It doesn't
[6:42] Speaker 1: sound like he was willing to do that with a
[6:44] Speaker 1: lot of other teams, is what the reporting is saying.
[6:46] Speaker 1: For sure, I want to go back there, he said.
[6:48] Speaker 4: The investigation can't get me in Canada. That's right safe
[6:51] Speaker 4: up there.
[6:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a whole other part.
[6:55] Speaker 4: Would you guys feel the same way if this wasn't
[6:56] Speaker 4: a franchise hero coming back and getting paid two years,
[6:59] Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five million dollars at thirty six
[7:01] Speaker 4: and thirty seven.
[7:02] Speaker 1: I have reservations about this, Like, he's not Kawhi in
[7:05] Speaker 1: his prime as great as he was last year, and
[7:07] Speaker 1: he was. He was an All NBA player, second team
[7:09] Speaker 1: All NBA. He was still incredible. I would have loved
[7:13] Speaker 1: take another pick off the board here, you know, like
[7:15] Speaker 1: I thought maybe it would be less draft capital going
[7:17] Speaker 1: back to the Clippers. Then ultimately what it was, because
[7:19] Speaker 1: it seemed like Kawhi was almost playing his hand, like
[7:21] Speaker 1: I only want to go there. You don't want to
[7:23] Speaker 1: give me the contract extension? Yeah, trade answer your question
[7:26] Speaker 1: like it plays a part, no doubt. The Raptors have
[7:28] Speaker 1: never lost the championship when Kway Leonard's been on the team.
[7:30] Speaker 1: So let's see if we can do it. Again, I'm
[7:33] Speaker 1: not like convinced that this like gets them right to
[7:35] Speaker 1: the top of the Eastern Conference. I'm sort of amazed
[7:37] Speaker 1: to hear that. I think this is Bobby Westerer in
[7:39] Speaker 1: the organization, like, hey, we got to keep up with
[7:42] Speaker 1: this like sort of like one B or second tier
[7:46] Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference. Your Hawks teams and your Magic
[7:49] Speaker 1: teams and like the now the heat with you, honest,
[7:51] Speaker 1: like that's the jockeying to me. I hope you're right
[7:55] Speaker 1: and I'm wrong. Yeah, but everybody's getting you know, excited
[7:59] Speaker 1: here with all these movements to try and keep up,
[8:01] Speaker 1: and that's obviously what the Raps are doing here.
[8:02] Speaker 3: Well, you made the comparison to Ingram being a regular
[8:05] Speaker 3: season player and you get a Kawhi and a playoff
[8:08] Speaker 3: as a playoff guy. I think this team is an
[8:10] Speaker 3: incredible regular season team. And when I say that, they
[8:12] Speaker 3: can be top three in the standings and it wouldn't
[8:14] Speaker 3: be shocking to see them number one.
[8:17] Speaker 2: That's what it's about.
[8:18] Speaker 3: It's about being there and having home court advantage for
[8:20] Speaker 3: those two months and seeing where it can take you.
[8:23] Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked if, yeah, they can get to
[8:25] Speaker 3: the finals. But I think The primary part here is
[8:28] Speaker 3: let's see how deep they can get. And I think
[8:30] Speaker 3: they could be the first seat because the Detroit Pistons,
[8:32] Speaker 3: we literally don't know who's playing center for them. We
[8:34] Speaker 3: don't even know who's playing power forward for them, but
[8:36] Speaker 3: Tobias Sarah Khan. So there's that, and we can go
[8:38] Speaker 3: through every single team. But yeah, I think they can
[8:41] Speaker 3: finish a top the New York Knicks in regular season standings.
[8:45] Speaker 3: So then we go from there. Because Kawhi is ready
[8:48] Speaker 3: to roll.
[8:49] Speaker 1: I just talking about like I'm signing here or I'm
[8:52] Speaker 1: getting traded here, I'm going to sign the extension. It
[8:54] Speaker 1: sounds like he's like, that'll be it. I'll retire. He's
[8:58] Speaker 1: pretty is saying like I planned to retire with the
[9:01] Speaker 1: tront Raunbers. So like this could be the final part
[9:03] Speaker 1: of his chapter here in coming back and maybe whatever
[9:06] Speaker 1: it is, three years, maybe something like that. He just
[9:08] Speaker 1: thirty five, he just turned thirty.
[9:09] Speaker 3: Five, and part and part of it, I think he
[9:12] Speaker 3: sees Scottie Barnes in the coming out party that he
[9:15] Speaker 3: had in the playoffs to be rolling with that guy.
[9:18] Speaker 3: And at some point Colin Murray Boyles growing into an
[9:21] Speaker 3: even better player.
[9:23] Speaker 2: So I think that's.
[9:24] Speaker 3: Part of it why he chose Toronto, and you know
[9:26] Speaker 3: the whole I'm familiar with it. But he looks at
[9:29] Speaker 3: that team, he sees the Eastern Conference, he sees the
[9:32] Speaker 3: team that could do it.
[9:34] Speaker 4: I know it's he also sixty million dollars in a contract. Yeah,
[9:40] Speaker 4: Trey Young chose Washington a little bit.
[9:42] Speaker 3: Probably, Well, he could have got money from the Clippers
[9:45] Speaker 3: obviously not trade them.
[9:47] Speaker 1: They didn't offer him stuff.
[9:49] Speaker 2: Well for the draft picks. I mean he requests, he
[9:52] Speaker 2: requested to get the heck out of.
[9:53] Speaker 1: There, wouldn't pay up payment. Yeah, well, I.
[9:56] Speaker 2: Don't know, I don't know what all the details are.
[9:59] Speaker 1: The reporting is that they were not going to sign him.
[10:01] Speaker 1: That was a big part of him obviously, like Okay,
[10:03] Speaker 1: we'll get me out of here then and I'll go there.
[10:05] Speaker 4: He's just like James Harden, but he's quiet. He's not
[10:10] Speaker 4: out there in your face. So he kind of slides
[10:12] Speaker 4: for being just as cutthroat about money as Harden has
[10:15] Speaker 4: been for his entire career. But Kawhi Leonard operates in
[10:18] Speaker 4: the exact same way. But this is still great for
[10:21] Speaker 4: the Raptors. They were gonna have to pay at least
[10:24] Speaker 4: one pick, possibly too to get off Brandon Ingram's contract.
[10:27] Speaker 4: So you throw in another one and a half picks
[10:29] Speaker 4: and you get Kawhi Leonard for at least one season,
[10:32] Speaker 4: likely three seasons. Who knows how many games that could be.
[10:35] Speaker 4: That could be two hundred games, that could be fifty games.
[10:37] Speaker 4: We shall see. I think it's risky for the Raptors,
[10:42] Speaker 4: like I think their floor is probably lower if Kawhi
[10:45] Speaker 4: goes out, and you know, missus, if he goes out
[10:47] Speaker 4: in January, he could be done for the next season
[10:49] Speaker 4: as well. You know, I think there's more of a risk,
[10:51] Speaker 4: but there's also way more of a reward. They were,
[10:54] Speaker 4: at best a first round champ like winning team. That's
[10:57] Speaker 4: the best the Raptors could hope for in the Ingram formulae.
[11:00] Speaker 4: Now there are conference finals hopeful.
[11:02] Speaker 3: I would have to say yes, and maybe I'm buying
[11:05] Speaker 3: a little too much into seven games where they were dogs,
[11:09] Speaker 3: you know, they were fighting for each other, and whether
[11:12] Speaker 3: or not they can take that and roll that into
[11:14] Speaker 3: a regular season, sure, it's a question. But even without
[11:17] Speaker 3: Ingram on the floor, it was literally Kawhi and RJ.
[11:21] Speaker 3: Barrett and Jacoby Walter and Jamal Shed and your Yakab
[11:24] Speaker 3: and Calin Murray Boyles that were ready to do it.
[11:26] Speaker 1: But we know you're talking.
[11:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, excuse me, you're.
[11:29] Speaker 3: Callin Murray Boyles to to bring this team going going hard.
[11:33] Speaker 1: Well that's what we said. After even though they lost
[11:35] Speaker 1: that first round of the Cavs, it was like there
[11:37] Speaker 1: was a couple of great takeaways. One Scottie Barnes looks
[11:40] Speaker 1: like an absolute superstar in a playoff series. He looked amazing.
[11:44] Speaker 1: Colin Murray Boyles was a revelation that was huge, and
[11:46] Speaker 1: then r J. Barrett was a great, you know, sort
[11:49] Speaker 1: of secondary score there. So those were like the three
[11:51] Speaker 1: things to me that jumped out. Even Darko having the
[11:54] Speaker 1: balls to make some switches was nice to see as
[11:56] Speaker 1: a Raptors fan. Now you got to hope quickly comes back.
[12:00] Speaker 1: I mean quickly. It's the point guard here. I know
[12:01] Speaker 1: it's Scotty Barnes sort of runs it through the offense
[12:03] Speaker 1: through him, but you need his shooting, specially on this team.
[12:07] Speaker 1: And then it's Barrett, and then it's Kawhi, and then
[12:10] Speaker 1: it's Scottie Barnes, and then yeah it's Purdle probably starting.
[12:13] Speaker 1: You're hoping for some sort of bounce back there because
[12:15] Speaker 1: he was got awful for a majority of the year,
[12:17] Speaker 1: and cal Murray Boyles is looking great as a small
[12:20] Speaker 1: ball center. And then Walter shed and maybe their new
[12:24] Speaker 1: draft pick there in Alan Grays gets an opportunity here too.
[12:27] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like that's a look. They got Kawi Leonard.
[12:31] Speaker 1: I mean in a game, in a series, if he
[12:33] Speaker 1: plays at the level he's played for the last couple
[12:35] Speaker 1: of years, when he's out there, it's a game change.
[12:37] Speaker 1: He literally is a game changer. Could We saw it
[12:38] Speaker 1: once before with their very eyes, but it was a
[12:41] Speaker 1: completely different team than it was in twenty nineteen, which
[12:44] Speaker 1: was a much more veteran led team, obviously with the
[12:47] Speaker 1: Lowry's and the darkas Halls and all that. Yeah. Wild,
[12:50] Speaker 1: I can't believe he's back. I truly could not. This
[12:53] Speaker 1: one is like, I don't know, mind boggling, like Toronto
[12:57] Speaker 1: has completely rebuilt its team since Kawi was last year.
[13:00] Speaker 1: No players from the twenty nineteen championship team remain. The
[13:03] Speaker 1: top executive Messiges Erry's gone head coach, of course, Nick
[13:06] Speaker 1: Nurse is gone, but current Raptors GM Bobby Webster is
[13:11] Speaker 1: still there. He was a part of that front office
[13:13] Speaker 1: and building the championship team the first time, and he
[13:15] Speaker 1: gets this guy. But health guy, good health guy. How
[13:20] Speaker 1: Maddy d and Jack. That's right, So there's some staples
[13:23] Speaker 1: still there. You did bring up that part though, about
[13:27] Speaker 1: the NBA currently investigating whether or not the Coppers certain
[13:31] Speaker 1: event at the Salary Cap with a sponsorship agreement between
[13:35] Speaker 1: Kawi Leonard and Aspiration, there is that no. You said, well,
[13:40] Speaker 1: even if the Clippers get dinged here, it's not like
[13:42] Speaker 1: Kawhile will get the blowback. That's what you think.
[13:44] Speaker 2: I don't think he gets I don't think he gets penalized.
[13:48] Speaker 1: Fascinating, so people put on the tinfoil hat of course,
[13:51] Speaker 1: and say, oh, I see what's going on here. It's
[13:54] Speaker 1: like they're like, okay, just if you get them back
[13:56] Speaker 1: to Toronto and we'll just let everything, everything will be chill.
[14:00] Speaker 1: You know, you sort of do them a favor. You
[14:03] Speaker 1: got him the first time, get them back there, and
[14:06] Speaker 1: then this whole Aspiration Tree thing. Don't worry about it.
[14:09] Speaker 4: Well, I mean, they're not gonna punish him. So that's
[14:13] Speaker 4: taken this long. Ain't nothing coming to the richest owner
[14:16] Speaker 4: in the league. I think that Adam would like to
[14:19] Speaker 4: protect this guy and oh, you already lost, already lost
[14:21] Speaker 4: the guy you just said. Joke for seven years, literally,
[14:24] Speaker 4: the Clippers wore a joke for the entire year of
[14:27] Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard's tenure. There a lot of the times where
[14:29] Speaker 4: he's never playing. They were the reason we had the
[14:32] Speaker 4: player participation policy. Then they had the Aspiration scandal. Then
[14:37] Speaker 4: it was the toilets in the Internet Dome, Like it's
[14:39] Speaker 4: just Ben jokes about the Clippers, and it was maybe
[14:42] Speaker 4: their most successful era that they've had. So this is
[14:44] Speaker 4: pretty weird, and I think actually they're doing a decent
[14:47] Speaker 4: job of starting an actual rebuild here with the Harden
[14:50] Speaker 4: move at the trade deadline bringing in Darius Garland. They
[14:52] Speaker 4: shipped out Zobots, the coin flip worked out for him.
[14:55] Speaker 4: They got the number five pick, they got Keaton Woggler,
[14:57] Speaker 4: and now they got a couple of picks and swaps
[15:00] Speaker 4: in the future, which is good because they don't control
[15:02] Speaker 4: their twenty seven, twenty eight or twenty nine first round picks.
[15:05] Speaker 4: But at least they got something coming in. Apparently they're
[15:08] Speaker 4: targeting Peyton Watson.
[15:10] Speaker 5: The Clippers.
[15:12] Speaker 4: Have a future now, it seems like compared to going
[15:15] Speaker 4: into last season.
[15:16] Speaker 3: As far as the Clippers getting penalized, now that they
[15:18] Speaker 3: have so many picks, maybe he can dock them one
[15:22] Speaker 3: or two and it will be interesting to see what
[15:24] Speaker 3: they actually dock them in one of those months where
[15:27] Speaker 3: nobody really talks about the NBA or a couple of weeks.
[15:29] Speaker 3: It's going to be in August or September. Thing, all right, yeah,
[15:32] Speaker 3: just bury it Friday night.
[15:34] Speaker 1: They're gonna check Pablo Torre's summer schedule.
[15:37] Speaker 2: When's he going on vacation.
[15:39] Speaker 3: One thing that was interesting that Pablo Torre said, he
[15:42] Speaker 3: mentioned that something that Michael Grange, great Toronto writer, wrote
[15:46] Speaker 3: a while back that Michael Grange wrote that the Raptor's owner,
[15:51] Speaker 3: you know who was, once upon a time, Larry Tannembum.
[15:53] Speaker 3: He is chairman of the NBA's Board of governors. It
[15:56] Speaker 3: will be Tannembaum who will presumably have a voice in
[15:59] Speaker 3: what if anything are leveled against Bomber and the Clippers.
[16:03] Speaker 2: That's just interesting stuff.
[16:06] Speaker 3: Just interesting stuff, you know, if we're going to conspiracy
[16:08] Speaker 3: theater all over the place.
[16:10] Speaker 1: I have another question with Kui going back to Toronto,
[16:12] Speaker 1: do the Toronto restaurants still have to honor the Kawhine
[16:16] Speaker 1: and Dine offers that they made in twenty nineteen. Do
[16:20] Speaker 1: they expire at any point or are they always good?
[16:24] Speaker 1: That he can eat wherever he wants for free in
[16:26] Speaker 1: the city after helping them win a championship. Sounds like
[16:29] Speaker 1: you're asking for another investigation. They I can't do that. Well,
[16:33] Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe when you take the decal down
[16:35] Speaker 1: in the window, it's your fine. I'm not sure. I'm
[16:38] Speaker 1: sure some have kept it up.
[16:40] Speaker 3: All right.
[16:41] Speaker 1: Well, let's hear from everybody on YouTube on this one.
[16:43] Speaker 1: How do you feel about this deal? Both from both sides,
[16:46] Speaker 1: you know, the Toronto Raptors and where you sort of
[16:48] Speaker 1: put them in the pecking order of the Eastern Conference?
[16:50] Speaker 1: Is this too big of a risk by Bobby Webster
[16:53] Speaker 1: with Kawai's you know history of obviously injuries and the
[16:56] Speaker 1: load maintenance and all that. And obviously from the Clipper
[16:59] Speaker 1: side too, how they've how they've done to sort of
[17:01] Speaker 1: I guess, retool here, get younger, get younger.
[17:05] Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, they were going nowhere.
[17:07] Speaker 4: Their plan last year going into the season was let's
[17:09] Speaker 4: hope James Harden and Kawi Leonard are both healthy. When
[17:12] Speaker 4: it comes down to it, and Harden was healthy until
[17:15] Speaker 4: he wanted to be traded.
[17:16] Speaker 5: Kawhi Leonard wasn't healthy.
[17:17] Speaker 4: To start the season, hit the gas in the second
[17:20] Speaker 4: half of the season, and then they didn't even make
[17:22] Speaker 4: it to the playoffs because they were so bad because
[17:24] Speaker 4: Kawhi was out in the first half of the year.
[17:25] Speaker 5: Now they at least have a young guy.
[17:28] Speaker 4: They've got a rookie, They've got some potential in the future,
[17:32] Speaker 4: they got some cap space, they do have a beautiful arena.
[17:35] Speaker 4: They do have an owner that likes to spend money.
[17:36] Speaker 4: We'll see if he's allowed to continue spending his money,
[17:38] Speaker 4: We'll see other ways he can funnel that money to
[17:40] Speaker 4: the players, But we know he likes to spend it.
[17:43] Speaker 5: So yeah, it could be worse to be a Clippers fan.
[17:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, and you mentioned you just maybe think when you're
[17:49] Speaker 3: going through the Clippers season, Chris Paul and that whole drama,
[17:52] Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, Hey, can Chris Paul come and be
[17:55] Speaker 3: the Raptors point guard like Kyle larryis. Oh, he's retired,
[17:58] Speaker 3: but maybe he comes back, or maybe Kyle.
[18:00] Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry Saudy is going to sign with the Raptors
[18:02] Speaker 1: before he officially retires, maybe we'll get a game or two.
[18:04] Speaker 3: The oldest Kyle playing with Kawhi again.
[18:09] Speaker 4: The stream team. Where did the Raptors finish this year?
[18:11] Speaker 4: Top three, four to six, playing or the lottery? Forty
[18:15] Speaker 4: eight percent say four to six, that's right, yeah, forty
[18:18] Speaker 4: one percent, top three. Eighty nine percent are saying guaranteed
[18:23] Speaker 4: playoff team. And I think it would be a disappointment
[18:26] Speaker 4: if they're not a top six team.
[18:27] Speaker 1: God, yeah, having just been one.
[18:29] Speaker 3: I mean they were number three for a while and
[18:31] Speaker 3: then they went to number four for a long time.
[18:33] Speaker 3: They finished fifth, It better be of our right playoff team.
[18:38] Speaker 3: I think they could finish literally, yeah, three or four
[18:41] Speaker 3: at the very least.
[18:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the huge part of how many games is
[18:44] Speaker 1: couill And are going to play in a regular season?
[18:47] Speaker 2: About?
[18:48] Speaker 3: Is a heart If Scotty barn is ready to lead
[18:51] Speaker 3: a team now after going through that playoffs, I mean
[18:55] Speaker 3: it's going to be a different squad too. I know
[18:57] Speaker 3: you're going to miss the scoring, but this feels like
[19:01] Speaker 3: a team that's ready to take a step up.
[19:05] Speaker 2: Regardless. If there was a brandon Ingram around.
[19:07] Speaker 1: For you, you know, the rose colored glasses for them
[19:10] Speaker 1: to really pop off and go another level here. It's
[19:12] Speaker 1: like it's gotta be quickly and or Purdle, probably just
[19:16] Speaker 1: one or the other, like getting back to like what
[19:20] Speaker 1: everybody expected or hoped for when those deals were signed,
[19:22] Speaker 1: which are now like sort of net neutral, sort of
[19:25] Speaker 1: elbatross deals on both of them. Now quickly it's got
[19:27] Speaker 1: the whole injury part and sort did Peardle with his back,
[19:30] Speaker 1: but like to me one, especially the point guard position,
[19:33] Speaker 1: like quickly he's got to like play and obviously shoot
[19:37] Speaker 1: a bunch of threes and hit them with consistency and
[19:39] Speaker 1: have a bit of a pop to them.
[19:40] Speaker 3: So last year part, yeah, last year was, Yeah, he
[19:44] Speaker 3: obviously missed the postseason and the season prior he only
[19:46] Speaker 3: played thirty three games. That was the first season where
[19:48] Speaker 3: he missed a bunch of time. But the ACA Purtle thing,
[19:51] Speaker 3: I know, the back is worrisome, but I'm less worried
[19:54] Speaker 3: about that position with Colin Murray Boyles.
[19:56] Speaker 2: Oh that helps.
[19:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like if the AKA Purdle is running out
[20:00] Speaker 3: there and being your start the first quarter, start the
[20:02] Speaker 3: third quarter, and you play twenty minutes and you're you know,
[20:05] Speaker 3: you're JaVale McGee from the Warriors.
[20:07] Speaker 1: That's yeah, you just don't want to pay that guy
[20:08] Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars.
[20:09] Speaker 2: Ye, that sucks.
[20:11] Speaker 1: We're paying Purtle, you know the vet minimum. I got
[20:14] Speaker 1: no issue with it.
[20:14] Speaker 3: But yeah, then you got a rookie to fill him in.
[20:16] Speaker 3: I know it's it looked terrible going through last year.
[20:21] Speaker 3: To sign him to that huge extension, you.
[20:24] Speaker 5: Got to have one tall guy.
[20:26] Speaker 4: So I've seen a lot of people suggesting getting Pertle
[20:29] Speaker 4: in a deal with additional draft compensation because you got
[20:32] Speaker 4: to pay to get off the deal for sure. For
[20:34] Speaker 4: Miles Turner, that's the only guy I've seen suggestive for
[20:37] Speaker 4: the Raptors, but I've seen it a lot because this
[20:39] Speaker 4: is a guy that's gettable for a Yaka pearl.
[20:42] Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, another big dude obviously can shoot a
[20:46] Speaker 1: little bit and rent protect her. But I don't love
[20:51] Speaker 1: Myles Turner all.
[20:53] Speaker 3: The Raptors or the Hawks getting Jock Landel as a steal.
[20:56] Speaker 3: It wouldn't mind a jock out there just to run around.
[20:59] Speaker 3: But you're right, the height is the worries.
[21:03] Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard going to the Toronto Raptors. I guess it's
[21:06] Speaker 1: unofficial official, so maybe it'll be tweaked a little bit,
[21:08] Speaker 1: But that was the big news of the last hour
[21:12] Speaker 1: or so. Let's keep it moving. Lots more talk about
[21:15] Speaker 1: as we are close to the six pm official start
[21:18] Speaker 1: of free agency. Lebron James will return for his twenty
[21:21] Speaker 1: fourth NBA season, but it won't be with the Lakers.
[21:25] Speaker 1: Lebron has informed LA that the franchise can move on
[21:28] Speaker 1: without him because he will be playing elsewhere. Hey, you guys,
[21:32] Speaker 1: go ahead and play without me. I'm going somewhere else,
[21:35] Speaker 1: he did tell them. Now, this is all like Sean's reporting.
[21:38] Speaker 1: It's basically Rich Paul sending a text to Sean saying, hey,
[21:41] Speaker 1: tweet this. Lebron told the Lakers before the start of
[21:44] Speaker 1: free agency tonight out of courtesy and appreciation for their
[21:48] Speaker 1: run together and to allow LA to conduct its off
[21:51] Speaker 1: season business. So, Lebron James, I'll start with you on
[21:55] Speaker 1: this one. TK. He's going to another team. Now, we
[21:58] Speaker 1: don't know where he's going. In fact, Dave mcmahamon is
[22:01] Speaker 1: saying that Lebron has told Rich Paul, you go canvas
[22:04] Speaker 1: to the league, see who's interested in me. Come back
[22:07] Speaker 1: to me with a list, and we'll go from there.
[22:10] Speaker 1: But yeah, your reaction, we don't know, we do we
[22:14] Speaker 1: we don't know that he's going to go to the Warriors.
[22:18] Speaker 4: And seeah, of course he's going to the Warriors. I
[22:20] Speaker 4: can't imagine that. Uh Rich Paul starts calling everybody up,
[22:24] Speaker 4: and it turns out Grizzly's best offer going to Memphis.
[22:27] Speaker 5: We're calling every team, let's check you with the Wizards.
[22:29] Speaker 5: O eighty wants to leave. Maybe Lebron will go there.
[22:32] Speaker 4: No, there's a couple of teams that are in the mix,
[22:34] Speaker 4: and the number one is the Golden State Warriors. But
[22:36] Speaker 4: this statement from Lebron is basically the classic George Costanza
[22:39] Speaker 4: battle for the hand.
[22:41] Speaker 5: Before the Lakers can.
[22:42] Speaker 4: Say we're out on Lebron, Lebron is saying, I'm out
[22:44] Speaker 4: on the Lakers, but I'm going away. I'm going to
[22:47] Speaker 4: play with my good friend Steph Curry, my good friend
[22:49] Speaker 4: Draymond Green, and maybe my good friend Anthony Davis.
[22:52] Speaker 5: The Warriors don't want to.
[22:53] Speaker 4: Do it, but Clutch wants the Warriors to do it
[22:57] Speaker 4: for Anthony Davis. So I think Lebron guaranteed g s
[23:00] Speaker 4: W We'll see about Anthony Davis. I have my doubts
[23:03] Speaker 4: about that one, but yeah, I mean Lebron's Lakers tenure
[23:07] Speaker 4: coming to an end. He won a championship, he got
[23:09] Speaker 4: his son drafted, he sat a whole bunch of records
[23:12] Speaker 4: in a Lakers uniform, and now he's letting them continue
[23:15] Speaker 4: on with their.
[23:17] Speaker 1: It's very kind of him. Yes, I thought to shut
[23:20] Speaker 1: down board up. What do you think?
[23:23] Speaker 3: I think it's Cleveland over Golden State, younger, deeper, Eastern confers.
[23:28] Speaker 3: You don't got a battle your Thunder and Spurs and
[23:31] Speaker 3: two consecutive series or any one of those teams.
[23:33] Speaker 2: You just look at the.
[23:35] Speaker 1: Counter, though, tough to golf in Ohio in the in
[23:38] Speaker 1: the Yeah, so true. He's really into golf right now.
[23:41] Speaker 2: He yes, I haven't been paying attention shocking him out.
[23:45] Speaker 1: He's mid crisis.
[23:50] Speaker 2: I mean, just drive a couple hours. You're in Georgia.
[23:53] Speaker 2: You're good.
[23:54] Speaker 1: And the counter is like, well, you're on the road
[23:56] Speaker 1: for half the season. Anyway, you do all your golfing
[23:58] Speaker 1: when you're on the road. So okay, So you think Cleveland.
[24:02] Speaker 3: I think it makes more sense. I mean, the lineups
[24:05] Speaker 3: with him there. If he's gonna go sign the non
[24:07] Speaker 3: taxpayer mid level exception, it's Tomvan Mitchell, James Harden Lebron,
[24:11] Speaker 3: Evan Mobley and Jared Allen. As you're starting lineup benches
[24:14] Speaker 3: shrewder Struce, Sam Merril Jal and Tyson Thomas Bryant, you
[24:18] Speaker 3: got a Craig Porter Junior and Tyresee Proctor behind you. Well,
[24:21] Speaker 3: with the Warriors, I mean it's risky time. It's Steph
[24:24] Speaker 3: and Pajemski, Lebron, Draymond and Anthony Davis. Let's say he's
[24:28] Speaker 3: there to make this team even better. And then it's Geese, Santos,
[24:32] Speaker 3: Jaxe Lndenburg, Will Richard and Porzingis and Horford. I don't
[24:35] Speaker 3: I don't get that why it's an interesting lineup to
[24:39] Speaker 3: go give Porzingis forty mili my guy who's not necessarily
[24:44] Speaker 3: going to be able to play. You want to question Kawhi.
[24:46] Speaker 3: That's a way bigger question to me. Chriss Porzingis and
[24:49] Speaker 3: old Al Horford. I mean that Warriors team is so
[24:52] Speaker 3: much older, less deep, and a tougher conference.
[24:56] Speaker 2: I don't get it.
[24:57] Speaker 1: But yeah, literally, like, let these guys have fun. What
[25:02] Speaker 1: it is?
[25:04] Speaker 3: Well, it's either I want to have fun or I
[25:06] Speaker 3: want to win my fifth And I think you're more
[25:08] Speaker 3: likely with the Calves.
[25:10] Speaker 2: Considering it's the East.
[25:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would maybe agree with that, but
[25:14] Speaker 1: I don't think he cares about that part anymore.
[25:16] Speaker 4: No, if he like this dude was really trying to
[25:20] Speaker 4: win a fifth championship, he would not pick.
[25:22] Speaker 1: The Warriors or the Caves. He would Spurs Spurs.
[25:25] Speaker 4: Yes, he would be honestly the ideal fit for the
[25:28] Speaker 4: San Antonio Spurs. They need a four with size. They
[25:31] Speaker 4: need a guy who's reliable in clutch time. They need
[25:33] Speaker 4: a guy with a big time brain. How about Lebron James.
[25:35] Speaker 4: If he wanted to win a championship, he could go there.
[25:37] Speaker 4: He could go play with Anthony Edwards and LaMelo Ball
[25:40] Speaker 4: in Minnesota if he wanted. The Warriors are not a
[25:42] Speaker 4: championship destination if he goes there. The Warriors themselves have
[25:46] Speaker 4: said such a thing, like Draymond and Steph are all
[25:48] Speaker 4: about making it enjoyable the last few years they play
[25:51] Speaker 4: and leaving it in a good spot for the next
[25:53] Speaker 4: generation of Warriors to come behind them.
[25:56] Speaker 5: So I think this fits in with that.
[25:58] Speaker 4: Getting the most famous player in the game to go
[26:00] Speaker 4: next to the other most famous player in the game
[26:03] Speaker 4: and Steph Curry get you enough talking points of ooh
[26:06] Speaker 4: they could beat anybody in a playoff series, and we
[26:08] Speaker 4: would all believe it. They could win any single playoff series.
[26:11] Speaker 4: Could they win four in a row? No way, no
[26:13] Speaker 4: chance that happens. But it would be fun to watch
[26:15] Speaker 4: and there would be sixty games on national TV.
[26:19] Speaker 5: That's probably an understatement.
[26:21] Speaker 1: And if it is, if he comes out and says,
[26:23] Speaker 1: this is the Swan song, this is the retirement tour,
[26:26] Speaker 1: it's a part of it as well.
[26:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, but the retirement tour has to be part of
[26:30] Speaker 3: the legacy, part of the story you write for Lebron
[26:32] Speaker 3: and I don't think it's, oh, I'm going to San
[26:34] Speaker 3: Antonio at the end of it. I don't think he
[26:36] Speaker 3: wants his book to say that as the final chapter.
[26:38] Speaker 3: I think Cleveland is much more. It means much more,
[26:42] Speaker 3: not only to him, but just to the story. When
[26:45] Speaker 3: it seemed cheap, if he goes you want a book
[26:47] Speaker 3: end it like that, it would It seemed no, it
[26:49] Speaker 3: just seemed pooh pooh. If he goes the Spurs or
[26:54] Speaker 3: he's not going to But yeah, I understand he's going
[26:58] Speaker 3: to Golden State, but it's just it's not if again,
[27:02] Speaker 3: he I guess he doesn't. If you go to Golden
[27:04] Speaker 3: State doesn't care about the fifth. Just not as fun.
[27:09] Speaker 2: It's not as fun for the I thinks for his story.
[27:12] Speaker 1: In his eyes, what's gonna ever go top twenty sixteen?
[27:15] Speaker 4: Yeah, the first CALVS title in the three to one
[27:18] Speaker 4: comeback after returning.
[27:20] Speaker 2: How about five than four championships?
[27:26] Speaker 3: Five?
[27:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fifth.
[27:27] Speaker 3: You get two with Cleveland, you get two with Miami
[27:30] Speaker 3: and one with the Lakers.
[27:31] Speaker 2: It's just it's a better story.
[27:33] Speaker 3: The guy who cares about his story, he cares about
[27:35] Speaker 3: his leg he carries about how it all ends.
[27:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, the Golden State one's weird.
[27:39] Speaker 1: So the Lebron James Lakers tenure ends at eight seasons,
[27:44] Speaker 1: the longest he played in one spot consecutively. There twenty
[27:48] Speaker 1: twenty NBA Championship Finals, MVP, twenty twenty three NBA Cup. Yep,
[27:54] Speaker 1: don't forget that. Eight All Star selections in the Purple
[27:57] Speaker 1: and Cold, seven All NBA selections He missed out year
[28:00] Speaker 1: with only sixty games played. He also broke the all
[28:03] Speaker 1: time NBA scoring record, and he became the first player
[28:06] Speaker 1: in NBA history to share the court with his son.
[28:08] Speaker 1: And I bring that up because an underrated part of
[28:10] Speaker 1: all this is Bronni James contract with the Lakers became
[28:14] Speaker 1: fully guaranteed for two point three million dollars yesterday. Well
[28:19] Speaker 1: that's interesting timing, isn't In the next thing you say,
[28:23] Speaker 1: all right, all out of here, but we'll make sure
[28:26] Speaker 1: that my son gets the fully guaranteed deal. So yeah,
[28:29] Speaker 1: pretty impressive. People say, like, that's a Hall of Fame
[28:32] Speaker 1: career just with the Lakers, Like take away everything else,
[28:37] Speaker 1: would that be enough? I mean, I just gave you
[28:40] Speaker 1: a lot of accolades and a championship. Probably damn damn close.
[28:44] Speaker 2: If not, yeah, no doubt.
[28:47] Speaker 1: So you think maybe Cavs though, you think Warriors. Now
[28:50] Speaker 1: you think this is gonna happen. Well, it's after six o'clock. Now,
[28:52] Speaker 1: you don't think they're gonna drag this out that whole
[28:55] Speaker 1: mcmanhimon like.
[28:56] Speaker 2: I could say that.
[28:56] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Lebron drags everything out for the most part,
[28:59] Speaker 4: but they've had one minute to it negotiates.
[29:01] Speaker 1: I wouldn't be.
[29:01] Speaker 5: Surprised if they come to a deal here.
[29:03] Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we shall see.
[29:05] Speaker 4: Though there is reporting now that it's dying on the vine,
[29:07] Speaker 4: the dream of Ad and Lebron. Yeah, Loadyards want to
[29:11] Speaker 4: keep Ad, but will they pay him, I pay him
[29:14] Speaker 4: a max contract. Please don't do it.
[29:16] Speaker 1: And of course Jimmy Butler would have to go to
[29:18] Speaker 1: the Wizards to get ad. Yeah, like there's just no
[29:21] Speaker 1: way around that. It would have to be him, and
[29:23] Speaker 1: but you know a lot of things have to happen,
[29:26] Speaker 1: so it included in all of this. As we talk
[29:28] Speaker 1: about Lebron, where do you want to see him go?
[29:31] Speaker 1: What would be the I don't know your ideal landing
[29:33] Speaker 1: spot for him? Is it Golden State? Is it Cleveland? Yeah?
[29:38] Speaker 1: Those seem to be like the three Uh. I don't
[29:41] Speaker 1: know biggest storylines where he could land, but you tell
[29:44] Speaker 1: us Draymond Green declined his player option with the Warriors.
[29:48] Speaker 1: It's sort of like got everyone going, well, what's going
[29:50] Speaker 1: on here? That may be a little shocking. Are the
[29:53] Speaker 1: Warriors hoping to make some moves? He's talked about it
[29:55] Speaker 1: on his podcast. I believe since Kristaps Porzingis has tasked
[29:58] Speaker 1: to agree to a two year, forty min million dollar
[30:00] Speaker 1: extension with the Warriors, and then now Horford we knew
[30:04] Speaker 1: that a couple of days ago, also sticking around there.
[30:06] Speaker 1: So that's the Warriors and we can get in then
[30:08] Speaker 1: into the Lakers side of things, which I want to
[30:10] Speaker 1: do because now, of course this is the Luka Doncricira.
[30:13] Speaker 1: But yeah, anything else on the Warriors and the Draymond
[30:16] Speaker 1: Green and Porzingis and Horford of it all, well.
[30:17] Speaker 3: I think this is Draymond Green not taking the player
[30:21] Speaker 3: option is basically him saying to Lebron, we will make
[30:24] Speaker 3: every compromise for you. Let me take a step back.
[30:27] Speaker 3: We will pay everybody else. I think it's a memo.
[30:30] Speaker 3: It's a memo to Rich Paul or memdo Lebron, and
[30:33] Speaker 3: it's also a memo of Anthony Davis.
[30:35] Speaker 2: Hey, do whatever you need.
[30:37] Speaker 3: Well, look at me, look at me. I'm taking less money.
[30:40] Speaker 3: You know, we'll do anything in gold State. I think
[30:42] Speaker 3: that's all this. Draymond Green in particular is the Kris
[30:46] Speaker 3: STAPs Porzingis.
[30:47] Speaker 2: I mean that shocked me.
[30:48] Speaker 3: You go get big al and then you decide to
[30:51] Speaker 3: give forty to Christaps. That's that was surprising to me,
[30:55] Speaker 3: and that's why I was kind of leaning if you're
[30:57] Speaker 3: paying all these guys, maybe you're not paying Lebron and
[31:02] Speaker 3: Anthony Davis. But DVD, I think this is just Draymond
[31:05] Speaker 3: Green say it. It'll be great to see you here
[31:08] Speaker 3: in Golden State one day, Lebron.
[31:09] Speaker 1: Imagine the podcasting we could do together. Oh my god,
[31:12] Speaker 1: these guys are best buddies. You know, in podcasting when
[31:15] Speaker 1: you do it on zoom, it's different than doing in person.
[31:18] Speaker 2: Yea truth.
[31:19] Speaker 1: Imagine we could be together. It'd be great. What do
[31:21] Speaker 1: you think?
[31:22] Speaker 5: Yeah, Test is right.
[31:23] Speaker 4: This is Draymond basically being Tom Brady saying I'm going
[31:26] Speaker 4: to take less so that we can make our team better.
[31:28] Speaker 4: That means adding Lebron, if that means alling Al Horford,
[31:32] Speaker 4: Christaps porzingis They're like, okay, look, all of our centers
[31:36] Speaker 4: can only play sixty games a season, but if we
[31:38] Speaker 4: got enough of them, maybe it lines up perfectly that
[31:41] Speaker 4: there's eighty two games of big man play around. And
[31:43] Speaker 4: when you think about it as twenty five million combined
[31:46] Speaker 4: for Kris STAPs and Al Horford, that's like center money,
[31:50] Speaker 4: so split between two guys, and you hope that they
[31:53] Speaker 4: both make it through the season. Horford, I thought, had
[31:56] Speaker 4: a down year for the most part, had some decent moments.
[31:59] Speaker 4: At the end, I guess just literally could not play.
[32:01] Speaker 4: He's probably the biggest dice roll in the NBA. Will
[32:04] Speaker 4: he show up on the injury report from night to night.
[32:07] Speaker 4: But he's a productive player when he's out there. That
[32:11] Speaker 4: doesn't seem like a thing that's going to change immediately
[32:14] Speaker 4: to me. But he's the young guy on this team
[32:16] Speaker 4: at thirty years old. Well, and at this point, it's
[32:18] Speaker 4: kind of like, can we find a taker for Moses Moody?
[32:21] Speaker 4: Can we use one of our future first round draft
[32:22] Speaker 4: picks to get off of his contract this year since
[32:24] Speaker 4: he's dueling with rehab from a knee injury. And if
[32:28] Speaker 4: that's the case, then they can get Lebron in on
[32:31] Speaker 4: whatever they're calling it, the mid level Exception or whatever,
[32:35] Speaker 4: fifteen million dollars ish the tiny, tiny contract that Lebron's
[32:38] Speaker 4: going to sign. So yeah, the Warriors are going to
[32:40] Speaker 4: be like a fun tribute act, you know, like I
[32:44] Speaker 4: love going and see Dead and Company hit the sphere.
[32:46] Speaker 4: It's not seeing the Grateful Dead. This ain't seeing Lebron
[32:49] Speaker 4: and Steph in twenty twelve. This ain't seeing Lebron and
[32:51] Speaker 4: Steph in twenty sixteen. But you're seeing him in twenty
[32:53] Speaker 4: twenty six, twenty twenty seven. It's still exciting.
[32:55] Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite for a potential name for
[32:58] Speaker 1: this Super Old Warrior Squad if it is Steph Lebron,
[33:01] Speaker 1: Draymond Green, maybe Anthony Davis. People are saying the expendables
[33:07] Speaker 1: Olden State Warriors. I do like Olden State Warriors, the
[33:10] Speaker 1: Golden State Girls straight up Golden years. The unction made
[33:16] Speaker 1: me laugh. Any others or any favorites of a bunch
[33:20] Speaker 1: like you liked Olden State Warriors, just keep it simple.
[33:22] Speaker 1: Some Olden State Warriors is very funny.
[33:24] Speaker 4: That's the pejorative name, but the complimentary name and the
[33:28] Speaker 4: name they should call themselves if it does come to
[33:29] Speaker 4: fruition the Golden Generation since Steph and Lebron went and
[33:32] Speaker 4: won the twenty twenty four gold together.
[33:34] Speaker 3: Okay, nice, Yeah, I can't help. But like the Olden
[33:38] Speaker 3: State Warriors, you can also come out to old songs
[33:42] Speaker 3: during intros.
[33:43] Speaker 2: You know, and make it a whole thing. Give it.
[33:46] Speaker 3: Give the love to older songs that they deserve. You know,
[33:49] Speaker 3: by older, I mean yeah two thousand and two, not
[33:54] Speaker 3: super old old old songs that these guys love. Have
[33:59] Speaker 3: to come out party, come out every single night to
[34:01] Speaker 3: whatever song he wants.
[34:03] Speaker 1: Not bring him out the Lakers. DeAndre Ayton picked up
[34:06] Speaker 1: his Lakers option. Marcus Smart opted out. So after you
[34:10] Speaker 1: subtract Lebron's cap hold, opt in DeAndre Eton, remove Marcus Smart,
[34:16] Speaker 1: and you leave hold for like Jackson Hayes and Austin
[34:18] Speaker 1: Reees of course, and adding one more roster hold for
[34:21] Speaker 1: the minimum, the Lakers are going to have about fifty
[34:24] Speaker 1: to fifty one million dollars in cap room here that
[34:28] Speaker 1: they could split amongst players. So like they're one of
[34:31] Speaker 1: the rare teams with potentially here. It looks like a
[34:34] Speaker 1: lot of cap room here. So Lakers with Lebron leaving here,
[34:38] Speaker 1: tk Luca era officially started. You know, they obviously played
[34:42] Speaker 1: a little bit together, but this seems like a part
[34:44] Speaker 1: of the equation here, Like agad, I think some people
[34:47] Speaker 1: are wondering how much was this, Like really Lebron saying
[34:50] Speaker 1: I'm leaving, yes, and instead the Lakers allowing him the
[34:54] Speaker 1: optics of that, and really they were ready to move
[34:58] Speaker 1: on and like let's get really started officially here with
[35:00] Speaker 1: how we're building this team around him.
[35:01] Speaker 2: But your thoughts.
[35:03] Speaker 4: Ramona Shelbourne did report today that Luca was shown like
[35:07] Speaker 4: a twenty twenty six projection by the Lakers front office
[35:11] Speaker 4: and it did not include Lebron James for twenty twenty six.
[35:14] Speaker 1: So the writing was on the wall both ways.
[35:18] Speaker 4: And the Lakers in the Rob Polinka era have been
[35:23] Speaker 4: a really good team at superstar relations.
[35:25] Speaker 2: Right.
[35:25] Speaker 4: They gave Kobe the gigantic contract at the end of
[35:27] Speaker 4: his career when he was past his prime, but they
[35:30] Speaker 4: wanted him to retire a Laker. That paid us off
[35:32] Speaker 4: in the future by Lebron wanting to become a Laker.
[35:35] Speaker 4: And now if they let him go out saying I'm
[35:37] Speaker 4: the one who's leaving, that also looks good and it
[35:40] Speaker 4: keeps everybody copasetic for a weird changing of the torch
[35:44] Speaker 4: that nobody expected to happen. Luka Doncis wasn't ever supposed
[35:47] Speaker 4: to be a Laker, but suddenly he is, and now
[35:48] Speaker 4: we're trying to figure things out on the fly, And
[35:50] Speaker 4: that's what would have me frustrated if I'm a Lakers fan.
[35:53] Speaker 4: They knew this was going to be a huge summer
[35:55] Speaker 4: for them after the Luca trade, and now if Lebron leaves,
[35:59] Speaker 4: potentially Marcus is leaving as well. There had been reporting
[36:02] Speaker 4: that r. Hachamura wouldn't be coming back. It's like, what
[36:05] Speaker 4: are you doing?
[36:06] Speaker 2: Right?
[36:07] Speaker 4: What are the Lakers doing they're just seeing people leave, leave, leave,
[36:10] Speaker 4: without any sort of way to acquire talent. They had
[36:14] Speaker 4: to pay Austin Reeves. He's Luca's guy. They need a
[36:16] Speaker 4: second star outside of Luka Doncic, but the cupboard's pretty
[36:21] Speaker 4: bare for this Lakers team outside.
[36:22] Speaker 1: Of the top two. They might be hoping that they
[36:25] Speaker 1: can get a big guy, literally a big guy in
[36:27] Speaker 1: restricted free agency, be it Walker Kessler or Jalen Duran,
[36:30] Speaker 1: which we can get into. Maybe that is a part
[36:33] Speaker 1: of the plan, but restrictive for agency obviously, tough teams
[36:35] Speaker 1: can match and stuff like that. What do you think
[36:37] Speaker 1: of the Lakers here?
[36:40] Speaker 3: I think they're definitely focused on the guys you just mentioned,
[36:43] Speaker 3: and in Jalen Duran to be a huge center, or
[36:46] Speaker 3: Walker Kessler to start for DeAndre Ayton, who's only making
[36:50] Speaker 3: eight million dollars with this player option. That's backup money,
[36:53] Speaker 3: so ideally that they have somebody starting in front of him.
[36:57] Speaker 3: Great for Marcus Smart to say, hey, I don't want
[36:59] Speaker 3: my play option. A year after he took this contract,
[37:04] Speaker 3: which was preceded by two seasons, he played fifty four
[37:07] Speaker 3: games total, so great for him to go get another contract.
[37:11] Speaker 3: People questioned whether he was done or not. So yes,
[37:15] Speaker 3: it's what what are you doing Lakers? After Austin Reeves
[37:20] Speaker 3: joins Luka Doncic in the back court with a very
[37:22] Speaker 3: very big contract, So it all depends what they do afterwards.
[37:25] Speaker 3: I thought maybe you would have seen skeets Draymond Green
[37:28] Speaker 3: talking about Austin Reeves on his podcast. He basically said, that's.
[37:32] Speaker 2: A lot of money. You got to be ready to.
[37:34] Speaker 3: Come in and perform in April and May and June
[37:38] Speaker 3: every single postseason.
[37:39] Speaker 2: Now.
[37:40] Speaker 3: Now, a lot of that is who's around him, and
[37:43] Speaker 3: that's what a Luka Doncic team is. Who's playing the
[37:45] Speaker 3: three four five to you know, do the fighting and
[37:48] Speaker 3: scrapping alongside you to be a really good team.
[37:52] Speaker 2: So we'll see what they can build.
[37:53] Speaker 4: Well, that's the question is because I'm with you, they
[37:56] Speaker 4: should be chasing after both of the restricted free agents,
[37:58] Speaker 4: and by all accounts, they're going to They're gonna get
[38:01] Speaker 4: in the mix for Duran, They're going to get in
[38:02] Speaker 4: the mix for Walker Kessler. Uh. If I was picking
[38:05] Speaker 4: the two of them, I guess Duran would probably be
[38:07] Speaker 4: most likely to be maxed.
[38:09] Speaker 5: He's got more of an offensive ceiling. We saw how
[38:11] Speaker 5: the playoffs went.
[38:12] Speaker 4: But I think, you know, the Lakers, they don't have
[38:14] Speaker 4: a lot of choices out there now. Both of these
[38:16] Speaker 4: guys are restricted free agents. I think both of their
[38:18] Speaker 4: teams would match a reasonable deal, and that takes time.
[38:22] Speaker 4: That's like four days that if the Lakers make the
[38:24] Speaker 4: offer sheet, the offer sheet is signed by Kessler or
[38:28] Speaker 4: by Jalen Duran, that's four days when the Lakers can't
[38:31] Speaker 4: do anything with any of their cap space. Then they
[38:32] Speaker 4: see all of these free agents, a bad crop of
[38:35] Speaker 4: free agents that we've talked about here, not the most
[38:37] Speaker 4: exciting time to have cap space. See all these guys
[38:39] Speaker 4: get signed, and then they lose on them the guy
[38:42] Speaker 4: they actually offered money to that's even worse. So they're
[38:44] Speaker 4: kind of in a tough spot where it's hard for
[38:46] Speaker 4: them to even chase after the two guys that they
[38:47] Speaker 4: need the most.
[38:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you could see them going to get
[38:51] Speaker 3: all Luca's teammates from before, like a Daniel Gafford or
[38:55] Speaker 3: some big to help them out.
[38:57] Speaker 2: It's true.
[38:58] Speaker 3: We'll see what they can do with the RUI signing
[39:01] Speaker 3: if they can basically, you know, run a lot of
[39:03] Speaker 3: the team back. But I wonder what the Jalen Duran
[39:07] Speaker 3: move is here? Is it a negotiation tactic for the
[39:10] Speaker 3: Pistons to basically be dealing with the Lakers and the
[39:12] Speaker 3: Kings who don't have the room to sign him to
[39:16] Speaker 3: a contract, it would probably have to be a sign
[39:19] Speaker 3: in trade to get somebody back to Detroit. So this
[39:24] Speaker 3: could all just be a negotiation tactic for Jalen Duran
[39:26] Speaker 3: because in the Lakers situation, it's four years on hundred
[39:29] Speaker 3: and seventy seven million dollars as the max for Jalen
[39:32] Speaker 3: during Yeah, unless I'm mistaken, but that's that's the most
[39:36] Speaker 3: money he can make outside of Detroit. Well, in Detroit
[39:38] Speaker 3: he can make a monster deal five years, two hundred
[39:40] Speaker 3: and eighty seven, which they're not offering anything close to.
[39:44] Speaker 3: So is this just hey, you give me something some more?
[39:47] Speaker 3: Like is he even going to sign a restricted free
[39:49] Speaker 3: agent offer? Or is he going back to Detroit because
[39:52] Speaker 3: Detroit is super thin now after trying Isaiah Stewart.
[39:55] Speaker 2: They're bigless. I mean, Paul Reid is their guy. That's it.
[40:00] Speaker 4: Reporting from Mark Spears says the Detroit Pistons have offered,
[40:03] Speaker 4: but the franchise believes is the most lucrative contract possible
[40:07] Speaker 4: for their all star restricted free agent Jalen Duran. They're
[40:10] Speaker 4: also not interested in any sign and trade deals and
[40:12] Speaker 4: will match any potential offersheet he signs.
[40:14] Speaker 1: Okay, so I.
[40:16] Speaker 4: Think it is it was one hundred percent leverage plays
[40:18] Speaker 4: from Jailn Duran's side because they have zero leverage. Yeah,
[40:22] Speaker 4: he's got Jalen Duran's going to be a Piston next year.
[40:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Pistons need him. And yeah, like
[40:27] Speaker 3: it could easily be Walker Kestler. Yeah, because the moretible
[40:32] Speaker 3: because of the Jazz matching a big contract to Walker Kessler.
[40:35] Speaker 2: I doubt it.
[40:35] Speaker 3: With the bigs that they have now in Jeron Jackson
[40:38] Speaker 3: Junior and Lowry, I think they may not match.
[40:43] Speaker 1: I I will say I sort of, I mean, I'm
[40:46] Speaker 1: with you. I think Jalen Duran ultimately stays with Detroit
[40:49] Speaker 1: here and whatever number they agree on, Like I sort
[40:51] Speaker 1: of like respect them for like not just giving them
[40:54] Speaker 1: what you know, the max right away, especially after what
[40:56] Speaker 1: we saw, like I've just been malpractice for yourzation because
[41:00] Speaker 1: then it's like you suddenly all your money is in
[41:02] Speaker 1: the two guys in Kid obviously well worth it. And
[41:05] Speaker 1: then Jaleen Duran, who does not appear to be that
[41:07] Speaker 1: super Max type player. So you got to bring it
[41:09] Speaker 1: down man, Okay, go do what you gotta do and
[41:12] Speaker 1: restrictive free agency. You talk the big game of the
[41:14] Speaker 1: sign and trade, but we want you, We do want you.
[41:16] Speaker 1: We just want to be able to put a better
[41:18] Speaker 1: team around you and see you grow into obviously your
[41:21] Speaker 1: huge payday. So like, I mean, I guess I'm getting
[41:24] Speaker 1: what I'm you know, good job by the agents and
[41:26] Speaker 1: Jalen Duran for trying to sort of slow play this
[41:29] Speaker 1: a little bit. But I love that the Pistons didn't
[41:30] Speaker 1: just like, oh, let's freak out and automatically just give
[41:32] Speaker 1: whatever he wants. Like they're trying to negotiate in good faith.
[41:35] Speaker 1: I think here so we'll see what the number ends
[41:38] Speaker 1: on all.
[41:38] Speaker 5: The Pistons are.
[41:38] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Pistons are trying to get a
[41:40] Speaker 4: good deal. Yeah, but I think he's not worth to
[41:43] Speaker 4: eighty seven. I totally agree. I totally some teams we've
[41:45] Speaker 4: seen before, Why do the opposite? Like I laugh a
[41:48] Speaker 4: little bit at this Mark Spears. They're like they're offering
[41:50] Speaker 4: the largest contract they believe is possible. We all know
[41:53] Speaker 4: what the largest contract is possible, and if you offer
[41:55] Speaker 4: that guaranteed, Jalen duran is going to sign it.
[41:58] Speaker 2: Problem.
[41:58] Speaker 4: So it isn't actually a two hundred eighty seven million
[42:00] Speaker 4: dollar offer, right, So they are trying to get a
[42:03] Speaker 4: good deal on Jalen Durha because he played a bad
[42:05] Speaker 4: twelve games. Yeah, that's kind of what the look is
[42:07] Speaker 4: and unfortunately for him, the worst possible timing.
[42:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, to play that port to me, they're trying to
[42:12] Speaker 1: get him at two hundred million dollars. Yeah, that's what
[42:14] Speaker 1: the number is. It's like, come on, we're talking two
[42:16] Speaker 1: hundred here, man, let's go. That's a lot of money.
[42:18] Speaker 1: You're great, let's go. This will be awesome. We got
[42:20] Speaker 1: a team here, we won sixty games. Hopefully you're better
[42:22] Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Hopefully we can build around you. You know,
[42:26] Speaker 1: I know you made All NBA and you're eligible for
[42:28] Speaker 1: Super Max two seven, but you did not impress us
[42:31] Speaker 1: in the postseason. So we'll see what they ultimately decide on,
[42:34] Speaker 1: but I think he stays there. They did some other work, though,
[42:38] Speaker 1: The Pistons Kevin Herder to sign a three year, twenty
[42:42] Speaker 1: seven million dollar deal to return to Detroit. This was
[42:46] Speaker 1: one from today that I was like, what, why, He's
[42:52] Speaker 1: not good? So I was shocked by this number.
[42:57] Speaker 3: But nine million a year is not a lot for
[42:59] Speaker 3: a decent basketball player with the team option for the
[43:03] Speaker 3: third a year there. He went to Detroit in February,
[43:07] Speaker 3: he was injured right away. As Jamie Bickerstaff said, he
[43:10] Speaker 3: never got into a flow with our rotations and all that.
[43:13] Speaker 3: When he went out there, he was decent. He's still
[43:16] Speaker 3: young enough to be a decent player, and they're desperate
[43:18] Speaker 3: for shooters, so they bring him back at nine per Okay,
[43:22] Speaker 3: I'm a herder believer and that he can contribute. He
[43:26] Speaker 3: does good things when he's out there, and when he's healthy.
[43:28] Speaker 3: He can't put it on the floor a little bit.
[43:30] Speaker 3: He can play, make a little bit. They need guys,
[43:32] Speaker 3: So at nine million, I don't think this is a
[43:34] Speaker 3: reach at all.
[43:35] Speaker 4: Troy, I disagree. I think it's wheerver for Kevin Werter.
[43:39] Speaker 4: He's been a below average three point shooter for the
[43:41] Speaker 4: past three seasons. The only reason the Pistons gave him
[43:44] Speaker 4: this deal is because you need to have contracts like
[43:46] Speaker 4: this on your books to be able to trade him.
[43:48] Speaker 5: Same reason.
[43:49] Speaker 4: Buddy Healed got ten million guaranteed from the Hawks. It's
[43:52] Speaker 4: nice to have this salary slot on the books to
[43:54] Speaker 4: throw in somewhere. This is just useful filler for another team,
[43:57] Speaker 4: because if Kevin Herder was going to be a part
[43:59] Speaker 4: of the equation for the Pistons, he would have played
[44:02] Speaker 4: in the playoffs. They traded for him at the deadline,
[44:04] Speaker 4: never gotten the rotation, barely got in the rotation during
[44:07] Speaker 4: the playoffs. So I was a little surprised that year's
[44:10] Speaker 4: two and three on this deal. We're not non guaranteed.
[44:14] Speaker 4: We haven't heard that yet, right, because that.
[44:15] Speaker 2: Would have made see for the third year, So I
[44:17] Speaker 2: guess that one for sure.
[44:19] Speaker 4: But I thought it would be we'll give you a
[44:21] Speaker 4: nine million this year, non guaranteed for year two, non
[44:23] Speaker 4: guaranteed for year three. That would have made sense to
[44:26] Speaker 4: me because the only reason he's getting this kind of
[44:28] Speaker 4: a deal is because he came became a free agent
[44:31] Speaker 4: during this new CBA, when it's going to be important
[44:33] Speaker 4: to make sure you have that level of contract to
[44:36] Speaker 4: throw into the mix, because he's not even going to
[44:37] Speaker 4: be worth nine million dollars a year for the Pistols.
[44:39] Speaker 1: So you're you're if you'll be betting on Kevin Hurder
[44:41] Speaker 1: not finishing this contract though with did definitely. I think
[44:45] Speaker 1: I'm with you on that one.
[44:47] Speaker 2: He was hurt this year. I know you might be
[44:48] Speaker 2: mad because he was a bull and I watched him.
[44:51] Speaker 5: I watched a lot.
[44:52] Speaker 1: We watched a lot of them here in Atlanta.
[44:54] Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he was decent Atlanta six years ago.
[44:57] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, at the start of his career.
[44:59] Speaker 2: It was while ago. Yeah.
[45:01] Speaker 3: In Sacramento it was all right, but then he asked
[45:03] Speaker 3: a couple of years he's falling apart.
[45:06] Speaker 1: We had a big trade last night. We did an
[45:08] Speaker 1: emergency podcast for it, and that was the Grizzlies trading
[45:11] Speaker 1: John Morant to the Blazers. Now, me and Trey we
[45:13] Speaker 1: talked about it. Tasks. Interested to hear your thoughts. Here
[45:16] Speaker 1: are the details, by the way, no picks, pretty simple.
[45:20] Speaker 1: John Morant to the Portland Trailblazers and Jeremy Grant and
[45:23] Speaker 1: Chris Murray to the Memphis Grizzlies. What were your reaction
[45:26] Speaker 1: to this?
[45:27] Speaker 3: Well, I jumped in and I thought, okay, John Rant
[45:30] Speaker 3: excited to be in Portland, new start, playing for a
[45:33] Speaker 3: new career. Obviously, like everybody else whoa that's a lot
[45:37] Speaker 3: of point guards. But then I started to think. I
[45:39] Speaker 3: started to think John Morant playing alongside Damian Lillard is
[45:44] Speaker 3: more like Dame playing off the ball. At his age
[45:47] Speaker 3: and who he is, I mean, he was more like
[45:50] Speaker 3: a shooting garden you put beside them at Timani Kamara,
[45:53] Speaker 3: long lengthy guys and Denny Abdia, who will prove to
[45:56] Speaker 3: be a better defender than he was this past year
[45:58] Speaker 3: when he's not carrying the ball all the time. I
[45:59] Speaker 3: think think he has been earlier in his career when
[46:01] Speaker 3: he didn't have to be the guy and Donovan klinging
[46:04] Speaker 3: at center.
[46:05] Speaker 2: But then you start doing it, but that's the problem.
[46:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, and yes, Scoot was on the bench last year
[46:10] Speaker 3: and so he's going to do it again. Drew Holliday
[46:12] Speaker 3: and a really interesting one where I think, if you
[46:16] Speaker 3: size up the guy can play three At times he's
[46:19] Speaker 3: teamy tiny, but because he's so tough, so there's lots
[46:23] Speaker 3: of questions. And then the shadon sharp shade sharp is
[46:25] Speaker 3: the biggest question I think. But I think he may
[46:28] Speaker 3: be a guy who is expendable somewhere down the road.
[46:30] Speaker 3: But again I think this is just the Blazer's front
[46:34] Speaker 3: office and saying okay, it costs too much for Jalen Brown,
[46:37] Speaker 3: So let's take a chance on this guy, and if
[46:39] Speaker 3: it doesn't work out with John Morant, we'll just move
[46:41] Speaker 3: on because they gave up Jeremy Grant and they give
[46:44] Speaker 3: up Chris Murray. So that's where they are, and we'll
[46:47] Speaker 3: see what John Morant can do in a new environment
[46:50] Speaker 3: if he can be a team guy, because he was
[46:52] Speaker 3: more of a guy, even though he didn't like it
[46:54] Speaker 3: under Tuamas silo in Memphis where he wasn't the point
[46:57] Speaker 3: guard handling the ball all the time. So he's used
[47:00] Speaker 3: to that and he's playing for his NBA career in
[47:03] Speaker 3: a way, I mean his reputation with two years guaranteed.
[47:05] Speaker 1: Left anything else to add from last night's emergency.
[47:09] Speaker 5: Podcast, No, I'm with you.
[47:10] Speaker 4: I think it's just a great dice roll for the
[47:13] Speaker 4: Blazers to basically upgrade the volatility of Jeremy Grant's contract,
[47:18] Speaker 4: which you are already regretting. It's a bottom five contract
[47:21] Speaker 4: in the league, as is this Jamrant one. But the
[47:24] Speaker 4: Jaw one you have more confidence than he could be
[47:27] Speaker 4: above water on like the Jeremy Grant one, which is
[47:29] Speaker 4: probably going to stay underwater since he doesn't bring anything
[47:32] Speaker 4: else of value besides kind of corner three point shooting.
[47:35] Speaker 5: At this point is his career.
[47:36] Speaker 4: I don't know if Jaw's ever going to give back
[47:39] Speaker 4: to the level of player we saw early in Memphis,
[47:42] Speaker 4: but there have been flashes during his little five game
[47:45] Speaker 4: runs here and there where he still looks like he
[47:47] Speaker 4: can at least be an effective player. I think this
[47:49] Speaker 4: is just a good talent play for the Blazers, who
[47:52] Speaker 4: are not a place that signs big time free agents,
[47:55] Speaker 4: like they have to be smart with their drafting, they
[47:57] Speaker 4: have to be smart with their free agent signings, they
[47:59] Speaker 4: have to be with their trades. So getting a Bilo
[48:01] Speaker 4: guy like John Morant, I think is great. I think
[48:03] Speaker 4: they will then just have to figure out what to
[48:05] Speaker 4: do with all of the duplication up and down the roster,
[48:08] Speaker 4: because there's like six guys who could be starting two
[48:11] Speaker 4: spots here from the Blazers. They're gonna have to balance
[48:14] Speaker 4: the roster some way somehow. They did bring back Robert Williams,
[48:18] Speaker 4: kind of not surprising to me. The young Hanson pick
[48:21] Speaker 4: is just very strange. If they're gonna keep him. If
[48:23] Speaker 4: they're gonna keep Williams, they're gonna keep clinging. What's the
[48:26] Speaker 4: point of drafting Hanson. I guess maybe that's why the
[48:27] Speaker 4: guy that drafted and was working for a different team
[48:29] Speaker 4: at this point.
[48:30] Speaker 1: But I don't know.
[48:31] Speaker 4: They need some size in the in between. They got
[48:33] Speaker 4: a lot of guards, they got a couple of big guys.
[48:35] Speaker 4: They need some threes and fours and a little bit
[48:38] Speaker 4: of depth. But I like it for Portland, and I
[48:41] Speaker 4: assume it's not the only move we're going to see
[48:42] Speaker 4: from them this week.
[48:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, time, Lord, Robert Williams a third agreeing to a
[48:45] Speaker 1: three or forty four million dollar contract to the So
[48:50] Speaker 1: that's you know, they're they're they're hoping that they do
[48:53] Speaker 1: have their centers unless there's a big move. And I
[48:55] Speaker 1: want to get your opinions on the Jail and Brown
[48:57] Speaker 1: of it all. But yeah, right now, clinging time lord,
[49:00] Speaker 1: And then I guess hantson a little bit there as
[49:02] Speaker 1: your center rotation. But do you think this is more
[49:06] Speaker 1: or less likely now that a Jaalen Brown to Portland
[49:08] Speaker 1: trade happens. What's your take on that.
[49:11] Speaker 3: I think it's less likely now, Okay. I think Tom
[49:14] Speaker 3: Dundan likes deals, and the Jalen Brown deal was a
[49:17] Speaker 3: tough one that I'm sure Brad Stevens was asking for.
[49:20] Speaker 3: He's asking for a lot, and so they've made a
[49:24] Speaker 3: different direction.
[49:24] Speaker 1: But you didn't give up any picks to get John Morant. Yeah,
[49:27] Speaker 1: you still have the full coupboard of picks. You do
[49:29] Speaker 1: if that's a huge part in the Jaalen Brown of
[49:31] Speaker 1: it all, no doubt, obviously. Now you have a guard
[49:33] Speaker 1: two that's expendable. Probably have to be a sharp ascut.
[49:38] Speaker 1: Maybe Kamara. I think the Klingon's to hold up. But
[49:40] Speaker 1: they they could of course probably get them, but maybe
[49:43] Speaker 1: they don't want them now and they're like, eh, let's
[49:45] Speaker 1: just try this crazy lineup we got here. We had
[49:47] Speaker 1: all these point guards, some very talented offensive ones. We
[49:50] Speaker 1: think we got enough defense in Kamara and Klinging around
[49:55] Speaker 1: them to sort of hold up. We got a new coach,
[49:58] Speaker 1: let's give this a go. That could be the play.
[50:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, and good for Robert Williams to get three years
[50:02] Speaker 3: guaranteed after last year.
[50:04] Speaker 2: He hasn't played a lot, but.
[50:06] Speaker 1: Good for one. No, he's always bagged.
[50:10] Speaker 2: But yeah, last year was a decent year.
[50:12] Speaker 4: Well, we got our first Sham's bomb of the official
[50:14] Speaker 4: free agency.
[50:15] Speaker 1: Here we go. I don't even know what it is.
[50:16] Speaker 1: So here we go. Get ready, you're both setting down.
[50:19] Speaker 1: This is good.
[50:20] Speaker 4: Free agent forward Usman Jang has agreed to a three year,
[50:22] Speaker 4: seventeen point five million to return to the Bucks.
[50:25] Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.
[50:26] Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, the Jang Steaks has come to a close. Wow,
[50:30] Speaker 4: twenty three minutes past the hour.
[50:32] Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the the first one, the first since
[50:35] Speaker 1: six pm here Eastern. Oh exciting stuff.
[50:38] Speaker 5: Of course, was a Michael tell him deal.
[50:40] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm happy for rut Costas helped out.
[50:44] Speaker 4: Oh but tell him, Michael, boy, Michael, tell him. Congratulations
[50:51] Speaker 4: to Usman. You you moved up from the B block
[50:53] Speaker 4: to the A block.
[50:54] Speaker 5: Buddy, good time.
[50:55] Speaker 1: And yeah, wait to slip it in there. All right,
[50:56] Speaker 1: let's take a quick break here and we'll see if
[50:59] Speaker 1: another show bomb drops, and then we'll get into a
[51:02] Speaker 1: bunch of the other transactions that have been reported over
[51:05] Speaker 1: the last little bit.
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[51:14] Speaker 5: Wow, and I see that game winner today?
[51:16] Speaker 1: I did, I did, I did. I didn't watch a
[51:17] Speaker 1: lot of the game, but I saw the game winner.
[51:19] Speaker 5: It looked like you mishit.
[51:19] Speaker 1: It didn't. Yeah, yeah, but likeily, it was a wide
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[51:46] Speaker 1: You know what I've been looking at. I've been looking
[51:47] Speaker 1: at recently Cosm at least. Yeah, Canada is playing on
[51:53] Speaker 1: the weekend'll be playing Morocco. Looking at tickets to go
[51:57] Speaker 1: watch it on that crazy interesting interesting, It's funny. I
[52:01] Speaker 1: didn't realize there's like levels to this, causem there's the dome, yeah,
[52:06] Speaker 1: the expensive tickets let's be on you get a table
[52:08] Speaker 1: and all that, and then there's like the hall and
[52:12] Speaker 1: then there's general admission. Yeah. I mean, I don't know
[52:15] Speaker 1: what the hall even is. I guess just more cool screens,
[52:17] Speaker 1: but not the dome screen, I don't know, a little confusing,
[52:19] Speaker 1: But the tickets are significantly cheaper. So you guys want
[52:23] Speaker 1: to go to the cosm with me this weekend. I
[52:24] Speaker 1: do want to go to the cos July fourth. Celebrate
[52:27] Speaker 1: July fourth by watching Canada playing Morocco. We're going to
[52:31] Speaker 1: the common. That's Good's a man who's doing stuff. How
[52:35] Speaker 1: was Jackass? By the way? Hilarious? Just hilarious, hilarious.
[52:38] Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of bits that they've done before
[52:42] Speaker 4: and they're like replaying them with like an extra footage
[52:44] Speaker 4: and stuff. There's a lot of unseen bits that you
[52:46] Speaker 4: haven't seen. I was just I was laughing for ninety minutest.
[52:50] Speaker 5: Great. Look, our guys are getting older.
[52:53] Speaker 4: They're all in their fifties, so they can't do as
[52:55] Speaker 4: many like legitimately dangerous stunts.
[52:59] Speaker 5: Which unfortunately means a lot more poop.
[53:01] Speaker 1: Stuff, gross stuff. Yeah, you're seeing a lot of buttholes
[53:04] Speaker 1: in this one.
[53:05] Speaker 4: Oh wow, Okay, a whole lot of bum jack ass,
[53:08] Speaker 4: Yeah jacks this time around. But uh, I watched it
[53:13] Speaker 4: last night, laughed so much that when I got home,
[53:15] Speaker 4: I turned on Jackass three.
[53:17] Speaker 1: Wow, that's what they want, That's what they wanted.
[53:21] Speaker 5: What's so good?
[53:22] Speaker 1: My entire time on social media is just Jackass clubs,
[53:26] Speaker 1: me too, and I watch everyone, I'm like, there's another one.
[53:29] Speaker 4: I do forget how the dumbest, stupidest things are like
[53:33] Speaker 4: my favorite ones, Like probably my all time favorite jackass
[53:36] Speaker 4: stunt is Steve O. In the first one, he just
[53:38] Speaker 4: runs in the hall and jumps off a trampoline into
[53:40] Speaker 4: a fan. It's just like, here's a stupid thing to
[53:44] Speaker 4: do for thirty seconds that'll make my friends laugh.
[53:47] Speaker 1: Did you see this tweet going around? I believe a
[53:50] Speaker 1: woman niche hell I guess is the Twitter name. Had
[53:53] Speaker 1: a conversation with friends a while ago about who is
[53:56] Speaker 1: the greatest living American and it is truly Johnny Knoxville.
[54:00] Speaker 1: He completely encapsulates the spirit of what people like about
[54:03] Speaker 1: America while simultaneously sidestepping all of the evil. And there
[54:07] Speaker 1: you're young. You bring that up at your next dinner party.
[54:10] Speaker 1: Johnny knock All the greatest America. Great guy.
[54:12] Speaker 3: People like him, people like DeAndre Jordan, and that's why
[54:15] Speaker 3: he's re signed with the New ORLEANSKA.
[54:17] Speaker 1: Good for him.
[54:18] Speaker 3: Nineteenth NBA season A guy that Joe Dumars, leader of
[54:23] Speaker 3: the front office in New Orleans, did his I guess
[54:25] Speaker 3: it was end of season talk where he said, I've
[54:29] Speaker 3: never seen a guy pour himself into his teammates more
[54:33] Speaker 3: than DeAndre Jordan ever, So people like him in the
[54:35] Speaker 3: locker room.
[54:36] Speaker 2: That's why he's going.
[54:36] Speaker 3: Back to try and try and reel this team out
[54:39] Speaker 3: of the deep, deep ocean. It ain't so good down there.
[54:44] Speaker 3: I mean, they're they're hanging out with the crustaceans. Man,
[54:46] Speaker 3: they're hanging out with shrimps.
[54:47] Speaker 2: They pull them out.
[54:48] Speaker 1: Man, that was a weird season.
[54:50] Speaker 2: But somebody's got to help these guys.
[54:53] Speaker 1: Wasn't he teammate of the Year this year? I think so, yeah,
[54:57] Speaker 1: you can't. You can't. You should automatically get the same
[55:00] Speaker 1: contract for next year. All right, some other deals here,
[55:03] Speaker 1: some bigger deals than DeAndre Jordan, maybe sticking with the Pelicans.
[55:06] Speaker 1: The Thunder picked up seventeen point seven million dollar team
[55:09] Speaker 1: option on loud Dort. Yeah, you think this is a
[55:12] Speaker 1: little surprising. Now, It's not like he can't be moved here. Still,
[55:16] Speaker 1: if there are, like, you know, cost cutting reasons behind
[55:20] Speaker 1: the Thunder, and we've seen a lot of that from
[55:22] Speaker 1: them with Isaiah Joe Aaron Wiggins being traded for basically
[55:24] Speaker 1: second round picks, they declined Kenrich Williams seven point two
[55:28] Speaker 1: million dollar option. But yeah, the lud Dort of it all,
[55:30] Speaker 1: there's a guy that's been linked to the Lakers as
[55:33] Speaker 1: a possibility, yeah, to come in there. You can see
[55:35] Speaker 1: them like, if Marcus Smart is gone, go get lou Dort.
[55:38] Speaker 1: He's just like a bigger version of Marcus Smart.
[55:41] Speaker 3: And so when he wasn't a big part of the
[55:44] Speaker 3: rotation and he had to be yanked off the floor
[55:46] Speaker 3: at times by the thunder and he was coming to
[55:49] Speaker 3: the end of his contract other than his team option, yeah,
[55:51] Speaker 3: it looked like, Okay, maybe it's Cason Wallace time getting
[55:54] Speaker 3: more of his minutes, or Jared McCain time, or AJ
[55:56] Speaker 3: Mitchell time starting in that role. But we're going back
[56:00] Speaker 3: to Shay Jayla Williams, Lou Dort Chet and Isaiah Hartenstein
[56:04] Speaker 3: to start because he's got to start, right, I mean,
[56:05] Speaker 3: Dort has to start and then Carus. Okay, so Walls,
[56:07] Speaker 3: A J Mitchell, Jared McCain, and a Dai Mara.
[56:10] Speaker 1: Still a pretty good team.
[56:10] Speaker 3: It's a great team and you only have to pay
[56:13] Speaker 3: him once for seventeen Milt.
[56:15] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[56:15] Speaker 3: They don't seem like a team that says, hey, we'll
[56:17] Speaker 3: trade your ass. You know, it's not doesn't seem like that.
[56:20] Speaker 3: It seems sort of spursy. As we'll get into what
[56:22] Speaker 3: they're doing running it back. Primarily other than as you said,
[56:27] Speaker 3: the Kenrich Williams, Isaiah Joe, the guys who weren't really
[56:31] Speaker 3: part of the rotation along with Aaron Wiggins, so a
[56:34] Speaker 3: little surprising.
[56:35] Speaker 1: Lou dort is still one of the best on ball
[56:36] Speaker 1: defenders in the league, and people will get frustrated with
[56:40] Speaker 1: him because he's quite physical. I get that, but his
[56:43] Speaker 1: shooting did sort of plummet there right in the in
[56:46] Speaker 1: the postseason and these last couple of playoff runs, the
[56:49] Speaker 1: three ball not dropping for lou Dorton sometimes gets played
[56:51] Speaker 1: off the floor. But over the seasons he's shot it
[56:54] Speaker 1: pretty well. It's like thirty eight percent from three over
[56:57] Speaker 1: three seasons in the regular season, but in the playoffs
[56:59] Speaker 1: again those numbers, So I don't I wonder if just
[57:02] Speaker 1: like they talked to Shay about something like this, like
[57:04] Speaker 1: I want him, I want my Canadian guy next to
[57:07] Speaker 1: me here, and they're going to be playing in some
[57:08] Speaker 1: Canadian games. You see this here? No, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[57:10] Speaker 1: yeah up in Canada. Hamilton, maybe Toronto, might be in Toronto.
[57:13] Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyway, lou Dort.
[57:15] Speaker 4: It's not Dylan Brooks has a haircut, and maybe Shay
[57:17] Speaker 4: goils just Alexander. I see a lot of people speculating
[57:20] Speaker 4: that Shay is bald.
[57:22] Speaker 5: I don't know.
[57:23] Speaker 4: Maybe the way that the angles hitting his hair, I
[57:25] Speaker 4: don't know. It's very weird to me. But World Cup
[57:27] Speaker 4: qualifying games.
[57:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, that that makes they gotta they
[57:32] Speaker 3: gotta do it.
[57:33] Speaker 2: You see Jokic doing it too for Serbia.
[57:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he looks good. He looks very slender.
[57:38] Speaker 2: I thought, Nicola Yokin.
[57:39] Speaker 4: But this is kind of interesting, I thought from the Thunder.
[57:42] Speaker 4: But I guess what it really comes down to is
[57:43] Speaker 4: they didn't want to let Dort leave for nothing. I
[57:46] Speaker 4: still don't think it's a guarantee that he's on the
[57:48] Speaker 4: team at the start of training camp, because the moves
[57:53] Speaker 4: the Thunder have been making this offseason so far lend
[57:57] Speaker 4: you to believe that the main objective is staying underneath
[57:59] Speaker 4: the second ape. Yeah, that's why the Aaron Wiggins trade happened.
[58:02] Speaker 4: That's why the Isaiah Joe trade happened. That's why they're
[58:05] Speaker 4: declining the team option on Kenridge Williams. They got to
[58:08] Speaker 4: be very careful with the edges of the roster. So
[58:12] Speaker 4: when you consider that Caruso has passed Dort in the
[58:15] Speaker 4: pecking order for the Thunder, Cason Wallace is a restricted
[58:19] Speaker 4: free agent, curious to see how they handle that with him.
[58:22] Speaker 4: Will some team that has cap space, there's not a
[58:25] Speaker 4: whole bunch of them make a big offer to them.
[58:27] Speaker 4: I don't know, Like, it doesn't make sense to me
[58:29] Speaker 4: that the Nets would be that interested in him. I
[58:31] Speaker 4: can see him actually working with the Lakers, but guess what,
[58:33] Speaker 4: they're two highest paid players, both play with the ball
[58:36] Speaker 4: in their hands, and he's a guard, so I don't
[58:38] Speaker 4: necessarily know how that's gonna work. But I can see
[58:41] Speaker 4: Dort sticking with a Thunder. I could see him trading
[58:43] Speaker 4: him in the next six hours to some team that's
[58:47] Speaker 4: more interested in him and they get a little bit
[58:49] Speaker 4: of salary cap relief and just kind of move off
[58:53] Speaker 4: of Dirt into the Crusoe and Wallace era of things.
[58:55] Speaker 4: Or I can see Dort playing out this season with
[58:57] Speaker 4: the Thunder and then taking a deal to sick around
[59:00] Speaker 4: and be the new Kendridge Williams, the guy who's been
[59:02] Speaker 4: there forever. They discovered him. He played on a cheap
[59:05] Speaker 4: skate deal for a couple of years. They paid him
[59:07] Speaker 4: this huge deal that he's coming off now. Maybe he
[59:09] Speaker 4: signed somewhere in between and just continues to stay with
[59:12] Speaker 4: the only franchise he's ever known. I could see that
[59:14] Speaker 4: being the case for loud Dort because to me, he's
[59:16] Speaker 4: like fringe starter for this team right now, and if
[59:19] Speaker 4: he ends up being a bench guy rather than a starter,
[59:22] Speaker 4: seventeen mill is probably too much for a team that's
[59:23] Speaker 4: getting expensive.
[59:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, options is basically what you're getting out here from
[59:27] Speaker 1: Sam Presty And Okay, see when it comes to lud Door,
[59:29] Speaker 1: but some people were shot that they did pick up
[59:32] Speaker 1: the option. There the seventeen point seven million at least
[59:34] Speaker 1: for this final year.
[59:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, and looking at the stats, the grid, the ledge
[59:39] Speaker 3: of the spreadsheet, it looks like they're about six plus
[59:42] Speaker 3: mil over the second apron for now. So I don't
[59:48] Speaker 3: know if it just means trading you nikolatopch or Soorer
[59:52] Speaker 3: gets them really close. I don't know if they get
[59:54] Speaker 3: them below the line. If I'm doing money.
[59:57] Speaker 1: Boger's done the math and it's quite a detail breakdown.
[1:00:00] Speaker 1: They can do it, of course, and if they want
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: to get unto that second apron.
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: But but now you've gotta Bennett's sturtz.
[1:00:07] Speaker 3: You're probably gotta trade, yeah, either first round pick or
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: say by the loudort eventually because yeah, as I said,
[1:00:13] Speaker 3: they're going to pay Cason Wallace at some point, right,
[1:00:16] Speaker 3: They're going to extend him at some point.
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: I think.
[1:00:19] Speaker 3: This is his final year under guaranteed money, and those
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: guys are Aj Mitchell's under an incredible deal. Like those
[1:00:25] Speaker 3: guys might be that new starter at some point, along
[1:00:28] Speaker 3: with Jared McCain.
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: So that's one team that was in the final four
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: at least so far bringing back one of their guys.
[1:00:35] Speaker 1: Spurs are doing the same as well. Obviously took down
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: the Thunder in the Western Conference finals, went to the finals.
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: They're bringing back Julian Champenny three years forty five million
[1:00:43] Speaker 1: dollars and Harrison Barnes the vet there one year eight million.
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: So those two right now, coming back task.
[1:00:52] Speaker 3: Your thoughts, this is the Spur saying we don't need Kawhi,
[1:00:57] Speaker 3: let's run it back. I think that's what this all means.
[1:01:00] Speaker 3: I think this is the locker room, the roster that
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: they want, led by Wemby, to do it again. I
[1:01:08] Speaker 3: think that's all this means. If you're bringing back Harrison
[1:01:11] Speaker 3: Barnes and you're bringing back Julian Champennee, who is an
[1:01:14] Speaker 3: undersized four, that's what you're saying.
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: I think to me that they're not.
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: Even going out to seek somebody else at the four.
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: They just want to do it again. We led for
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: much of the finals. We can do this.
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: Simple as that.
[1:01:28] Speaker 4: Yeah, he's twenty five years old and he shot almost
[1:01:31] Speaker 4: forty percent from three in the playoffs, and he is small,
[1:01:34] Speaker 4: and I think a little bit of his defensive limitations
[1:01:36] Speaker 4: kind of showed.
[1:01:37] Speaker 5: In the playoffs.
[1:01:37] Speaker 4: He became the one guy you could pick on on
[1:01:39] Speaker 4: the Spurs.
[1:01:40] Speaker 5: Yeah, that's just how it's going to be.
[1:01:42] Speaker 4: But at twenty five years old, to get a guy
[1:01:45] Speaker 4: that shoots that well, it's definitely worth fifteen million dollars
[1:01:48] Speaker 4: and that's very, very cheap for a starting wing.
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: And from his.
[1:01:52] Speaker 5: Perspective, he might be the biggest winner of the offseason.
[1:01:54] Speaker 4: He has a three million dollar option for this year
[1:01:57] Speaker 4: that the Spurs are saying nope, turning it into fifteen
[1:01:59] Speaker 4: million dollar per year.
[1:02:00] Speaker 5: That's a five X.
[1:02:01] Speaker 4: I don't think anybody else is going to be able
[1:02:03] Speaker 4: to have five x their value from one option to
[1:02:05] Speaker 4: the next.
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: I was like I was looking at Reeves now it's
[1:02:08] Speaker 1: like three.
[1:02:09] Speaker 4: There's some guys that are four, but ain't nobody five
[1:02:11] Speaker 4: x And except for Julian Champagne hoped the.
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: Champagne he broke the franchise record for threes in the
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: regular season, very very good in fact, when Mitch Johnson
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: put him into the starting lineup, but round February that
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: ironically replacing Harrison Barnes, if I remember correctly, that's when
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: the Spurs went on a tear and became like that
[1:02:28] Speaker 1: juggernaut the second half of the season and then into
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: the postseason. Though this was a wild stat from Jared Weiss,
[1:02:34] Speaker 1: the Spurs played eleven postseason games with clutch situations and
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: Devin Vessel was the only Spurs player to hit two
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: clutch threes over the entire postseason. So Champagne, one of
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: those guys had looks in clutch situations, couldn't knock down shots.
[1:02:50] Speaker 1: He wasn't alone. It felt like everybody else, even including
[1:02:53] Speaker 1: Devin Veasell, at a couple that was sort of a
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: plague of the entire team in these clutch games. They
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: always had a lead and then it'll come back and
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: get close. Uh, someone's gonna have to step up and
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: hit these big big shots in all these tight games.
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: But a great contract, well deserved. Sort of funny that
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: this guy was what He made his way to the
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: Spurs because he was cut by the seventy six ers
[1:03:13] Speaker 1: because they wanted Mac McClung on the roster for the
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: dunk contest. That's right. So we saw mac McClung in
[1:03:22] Speaker 1: a Sixers jersey in that dunk contest for three of
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: the four dunks. Because then he put on a gate
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: City jersey. Right, So he did win it, that's true.
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: He did win it. That's true.
[1:03:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Darryl Mory got fired, I mean way later.
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: But you know, this is one of the moves that
[1:03:35] Speaker 3: you can criticize Daryl Moury for.
[1:03:38] Speaker 4: New deal Alert, new deal Alertam Sharani, a free agent
[1:03:41] Speaker 4: sharpshooter Tim Hardaway Junior has agreed to a deal with
[1:03:43] Speaker 4: the Miami That's right, all right, one year, six point
[1:03:46] Speaker 4: five million dollar deal.
[1:03:48] Speaker 5: That's a Bartlesteain joint.
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: Oh, give it off. A bartle Steam one down for
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: bartle Steam. Yes, nice, Wow, Okay.
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: What kind of X is that for Tim Hardaway? No,
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: it's not quite five X because it's only six and
[1:04:00] Speaker 3: a half million, but it feels like really wasn't in
[1:04:04] Speaker 3: a minimum unless I'm mistaken. But the Miami Heat need shooters.
[1:04:10] Speaker 3: And we'll get to Andrew Wiggins in a second, but
[1:04:14] Speaker 3: this guy could start at times for this Miami Heat team.
[1:04:18] Speaker 3: You know you're starting Davian Mitchell, Andrew Wiggins, Yiannis and Bam.
[1:04:22] Speaker 3: It's that other sort of wing connector guy that's a
[1:04:26] Speaker 3: question mark, whether it's Pelly Larson last year decent connector
[1:04:29] Speaker 3: or if they're going to go sign Norman Powell, who's
[1:04:31] Speaker 3: most likely a bench player at this point of his career.
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: As good as he was, he was, he was good there.
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: But they needed guys.
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: I mean, you know their bench is true smith, whether
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: it's Pelley Larson, Nikola Yovic who struggled last year, Simony Fontacchio,
[1:04:46] Speaker 3: Bobby Portis and a Myron I'm not sure if he's
[1:04:50] Speaker 3: gonna play Gardner. I mean, they're missing guys. So Tim Hardaway,
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: he earned himself some dollars last year.
[1:04:58] Speaker 2: He was awesome. He was really really that was the
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: best year of his career.
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: I think with the Denver Nuggets last year he played
[1:05:03] Speaker 3: really well.
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: Let's continue talking about the Miami Heat here, JD. If
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: you can fall along, we'll jump ahead and come back
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: to a couple of those other transactions. But yeah, Andrew
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: Wiggins opted in and he's staying with the Miami Heat
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: on a three year, sixty four million dollar deal. So
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: he exercised his thirty point two million dollar player option
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: for next season and then secured a two year, thirty
[1:05:26] Speaker 1: four million dollar extension to top off that twenty six
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: to twenty seven salary. So those two extra years can't
[1:05:32] Speaker 1: officially be at it until his contract on July six
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: or something like that. But this was this was interesting.
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: TK is not what we sort of thought. We thought
[1:05:39] Speaker 1: he would do the smoothing of a deal here where
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: maybe it was maybe even get to sixty four, but
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: it smoothed out over the three years. So you're looking
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty one per annual salary, but instead
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: he goes for the payday up front, yep, and then
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: maybe we'll help them later. What was your reaction to
[1:05:55] Speaker 1: this one? My reaction to this is this is Miami
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: saying not this year.
[1:06:00] Speaker 4: It's hard to build a good team when you pull
[1:06:02] Speaker 4: off a trade like the Heat just did for Giannis,
[1:06:05] Speaker 4: sending what four players for one?
[1:06:08] Speaker 5: All right, I guess two. They did get Portois back,
[1:06:10] Speaker 5: but it just.
[1:06:11] Speaker 4: Means a lot went out and not a lot came
[1:06:13] Speaker 4: in literal bodies. Wise, for the Miami Heat, we've talked
[1:06:17] Speaker 4: a lot about how their lack of picks going forward,
[1:06:20] Speaker 4: their contract situations mean it's tough for them to find players.
[1:06:23] Speaker 4: So yeah, I thought Wiggins was going to be like
[1:06:25] Speaker 4: twenty million per year. They would have a little bit
[1:06:28] Speaker 4: of room to work this offseason, but I guess that's
[1:06:31] Speaker 4: not going to be the case. They will have more
[1:06:32] Speaker 4: flexibility in the future because Wiggins will then be on
[1:06:35] Speaker 4: a scam contract seventeen million dollars per season during the
[1:06:38] Speaker 4: last couple of years. But right now, it leaves Miami
[1:06:41] Speaker 4: hard capped at the first a prin They're only going
[1:06:44] Speaker 4: to have veteran minimums to offer guys like Tim Hardaway, Junior,
[1:06:47] Speaker 4: Mike Conley, whoever else is in the mix.
[1:06:50] Speaker 5: This is probably gonna cost him. Norm Powell. I would
[1:06:52] Speaker 5: have to.
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: Imagine maybe we're Chicago Bulls is the yeah, sure, yeah,
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: the great ending spot. Yeah yeah, somebody's got shoot shots.
[1:07:00] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:07:00] Speaker 4: I think this is good for Miami to keep Wiggins,
[1:07:03] Speaker 4: but not great the way it happened.
[1:07:06] Speaker 2: And you mean it's not great the way it happened
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: is in this the other This is going.
[1:07:09] Speaker 5: To be a lost year for the Heat.
[1:07:11] Speaker 4: They did the deal and they're going to be a
[1:07:13] Speaker 4: fine team, but they're going to be better next year
[1:07:14] Speaker 4: when they can actually make moves to build around you
[1:07:16] Speaker 4: on us.
[1:07:17] Speaker 1: There's a ragtag bunch right now.
[1:07:19] Speaker 2: That was definitely part of the plan.
[1:07:20] Speaker 3: Maybe the new Kawhi was going to the Raptors and
[1:07:22] Speaker 3: they couldn't they couldn't deal. No, you're right in that
[1:07:24] Speaker 3: it's this year upfront thirty mil and then to be
[1:07:28] Speaker 3: able to drop it to seventeen the following year and
[1:07:30] Speaker 3: seventeen the following year for Andrew Wiggins, who isn't going
[1:07:33] Speaker 3: to get worse just because he's getting older. I think
[1:07:36] Speaker 3: we saw him play really well when he could, and
[1:07:40] Speaker 3: that he's in his early threties, is a super athletic guy.
[1:07:43] Speaker 3: I don't I don't think he's gonna just fall off
[1:07:46] Speaker 3: at any point. So literally, you could have the third
[1:07:49] Speaker 3: best player out there right now for the Mimi heat
[1:07:52] Speaker 3: behind Yannison.
[1:07:52] Speaker 4: Bam.
[1:07:53] Speaker 3: He's that good. You know, he's decent and money wise.
[1:07:57] Speaker 3: I think it's it's definitely a play for following year
[1:08:02] Speaker 3: twenty seven and twenty eight, twenty nine to help out.
[1:08:05] Speaker 3: And now they go and get Tim Hardaway who was
[1:08:08] Speaker 3: two x he only made two point two nine six
[1:08:12] Speaker 3: million dollars now making six point five to help out,
[1:08:14] Speaker 3: and we'll see what gets them or where they go.
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: Be size is coming beside Chris Middleton, who else could
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: be in the play here. He's going to join the
[1:08:26] Speaker 1: squad here who's very very cheat who was old.
[1:08:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, and they got some money fun tech one year deal.
[1:08:33] Speaker 3: They shouldn't they shouldn't get the bill. There's some tall beal.
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: He's going to be a heap. Oh yeah, that sounds.
[1:08:38] Speaker 3: Like the guy who's he declined his own player off
[1:08:42] Speaker 3: year because he thinks's gonna get paid again. You know,
[1:08:45] Speaker 3: there's Gabe Vincent talk, there's Chris Middleton talk, even just
[1:08:48] Speaker 3: the real old guys to join. But Norman Powell I agree,
[1:08:51] Speaker 3: he's probably probably gone because if the if the bulls
[1:08:56] Speaker 3: are willing to give him a balloon offer, as Mark
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: Stein put it, Yeah, he's gonna go take that.
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, at this point of his Yeah, I agree, at
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: this point of his career here and go get your money, man,
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: Like you've had great three point shorty seasons here. Yeah,
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: finally made an All Star team. That's right. Whow I
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: had forgotten that fell off immediately. Yeah, as soon as
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: that happened. Yeah, he was like out of the rotation
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: for the Heat.
[1:09:21] Speaker 2: That's weird. Yeah, pretty weird.
[1:09:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, in both these last two seasons, his one All
[1:09:25] Speaker 3: Star appearance and the year before that, which could have
[1:09:28] Speaker 3: been his All Star.
[1:09:29] Speaker 2: Appearance, he's kind of it. He's fallen off later.
[1:09:31] Speaker 3: In the season and into the postseason a little bit
[1:09:34] Speaker 3: with the Clippers there in that first year. So that's
[1:09:36] Speaker 3: the worriest part. He can't be able. He can't do
[1:09:39] Speaker 3: it for that long, especially with the Miami Heat. That's
[1:09:41] Speaker 3: that's shallow. He's gonna need to be able to do
[1:09:44] Speaker 3: it for for a long time. So, yeah, this year
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: is a questionable year for the Miami Heat.
[1:09:48] Speaker 1: Let's go to the New York Knicks, the champion New
[1:09:52] Speaker 1: York Knicks. Excuse me, they have signed Landry Shammitt to
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: a four year, twenty four million dollar deal. So he's
[1:09:59] Speaker 1: coming back. This guy got a nice little deal here,
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: and well deserved after what he did in the postseason.
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: He made eighteen to twenty four to three pointers between
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference semis in the East Finals, remember what
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: he couldn't miss there for a stretch. So a good
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: job by him after playing the last couple of seasons
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: on a minimum contract. In fact, remember at the start
[1:10:19] Speaker 1: of the year preseason, we're talking about this three way
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: battle in training camp with the Knicks. I think it
[1:10:27] Speaker 1: was him, Landry Shammitt, Garrison Matthews, and Malcolm Brogden who
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: then just retired. Silkin Brogden is like peace, I'm out here.
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: But there was like a debate. I'm like, oh, which
[1:10:38] Speaker 1: one's gonna make it and all that, and Landry Shamman makes.
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: It and where's Gary bird at?
[1:10:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I do not know where Garrison
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: Matthews is. But Landry shammittt TK six for twenty four.
[1:10:48] Speaker 1: Any issues with this.
[1:10:49] Speaker 5: Well not really.
[1:10:50] Speaker 4: He became an integral part of their team at the
[1:10:53] Speaker 4: point of attack defender. He was sometimes summing in for
[1:10:56] Speaker 4: Michale Bridges in the clutch during the playoffs was making
[1:10:59] Speaker 4: it threes when he needed it too. The only thing
[1:11:02] Speaker 4: is this is gonna like definitely cost the Nicks Mitchell Robinson, right,
[1:11:05] Speaker 4: Like James Dolan has said, I ain't going into the
[1:11:07] Speaker 4: second apron. That would be suicide to do that, to
[1:11:11] Speaker 4: go into the second apron, And from a team building perspective,
[1:11:14] Speaker 4: he's pretty much right. The owners unfortunately won that one.
[1:11:18] Speaker 4: They got the hard kept that they always wanted.
[1:11:21] Speaker 5: But this is good for Landry Shammitt.
[1:11:22] Speaker 4: But the Knicks are gonna be a little bit worse
[1:11:25] Speaker 4: next year until they figure out a way to replace
[1:11:28] Speaker 4: Mitchell Robinson. But awesome for Shammitt to go from, you know,
[1:11:31] Speaker 4: needing a guy to retire to stay in the NBA
[1:11:34] Speaker 4: to suddenly making twenty four million dollars.
[1:11:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great for him. Four for twenty four and
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: then they got Alvarado signed. Yah.
[1:11:39] Speaker 3: Mitchell Robinson doesn't appear to be coming back to be
[1:11:42] Speaker 3: part of that bench. James Dolan wants to save his money.
[1:11:46] Speaker 3: That's what it comes down to.
[1:11:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, you can.
[1:11:48] Speaker 3: Second apron yourself, and then that just leaves you less
[1:11:51] Speaker 3: flexible to making moves if a guy gets injured or
[1:11:54] Speaker 3: do something else. But then you can criticize James Dolan
[1:11:57] Speaker 3: and say, come on, run your champs back to see
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: what they can do. But because they do have money
[1:12:02] Speaker 3: tied up in everybody for longer than this coming year,
[1:12:05] Speaker 3: it wouldn't just be a one year thing where they
[1:12:08] Speaker 3: say we're running back our team for one year. Everybody's
[1:12:11] Speaker 3: making money in twenty six, twenty seven, and twenty seven
[1:12:13] Speaker 3: to twenty eight, basically basically everybody's under contract then two.
[1:12:18] Speaker 1: So if you were the idea, if you were to
[1:12:20] Speaker 1: rank these three Knicks players to how integral they were
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: to the championship, how would you put them in order? Alvarado,
[1:12:29] Speaker 1: Landry Shammitt, and Mitchell Robinson. It's an interesting debate.
[1:12:33] Speaker 2: That's a good debate, right Yeah. Obviously all had their moments, absolutely, but.
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: The two of them are coming back in the two
[1:12:39] Speaker 1: guards in Alvarado and Shammitt and Mitchell Romson. Maybe it's
[1:12:43] Speaker 1: not appeering is not if he goes gets paid more.
[1:12:45] Speaker 3: I think it's Landry Shammitt, Jose Alvarado, Mitchell Robinson than
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: that order. Landre Shammitt's run was longer in the postseason,
[1:12:53] Speaker 3: how much he impacted this team history, point shooting and
[1:12:56] Speaker 3: even on the defensive end. Alvarado's was you know, the
[1:12:58] Speaker 3: fourth quarter run the NBA Finals, that was incredible. It
[1:13:02] Speaker 3: was an eight point fourth quarter. Mitchie, I don't know,
[1:13:06] Speaker 3: it doesn't really stand out to me as much. Maybe
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: I'm wrong probably with you.
[1:13:12] Speaker 1: I guess.
[1:13:12] Speaker 5: I guess Mitchell Robinson probably just has more value.
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: But to other teams around the league as well.
[1:13:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was there.
[1:13:19] Speaker 4: If the biggest thing you gotta do is replace your
[1:13:21] Speaker 4: backup center, you're in a good spot as the defending champions.
[1:13:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it's internally it'll be mo Diawara. I
[1:13:29] Speaker 3: guess as we saw last year, what's.
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: Going on huk Porty. What was the news on him?
[1:13:34] Speaker 2: I don't know, it's not signed.
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they declined his Okay, That's what it was. Yeah,
[1:13:38] Speaker 1: something like because people thought, well, if Mitch Robinson gone,
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: that's okay, they'll, you know, come to a deal with
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: Ariel Howk party and he'll beat just the backup center.
[1:13:44] Speaker 3: He had a good yeah, few minutes out there in
[1:13:48] Speaker 3: the NBA Finals when he was when he was needed.
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: A bunch of other minor moose Well, I guess this
[1:13:55] Speaker 1: one's interesting. The Hawks declined Jonathan Kamingi's twenty four point
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: three million dollar team option. Were you shocked at all
[1:14:01] Speaker 1: by this.
[1:14:03] Speaker 2: A little bit?
[1:14:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, considering you know, the other contracts that they
[1:14:07] Speaker 3: threw out there, a little bit. Somebody will be willing
[1:14:10] Speaker 3: to pay Jonathan I Mainga to see if he can
[1:14:12] Speaker 3: be a good player in his NBA career, because he
[1:14:16] Speaker 3: was for the Atlanta Hawks since trading for him from
[1:14:20] Speaker 3: the Golden State Warriors.
[1:14:22] Speaker 2: He was okay, there's a lot of good minutes.
[1:14:25] Speaker 4: He was awesome in the two games they won in
[1:14:27] Speaker 4: the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, he had like nineteen and twenty one.
[1:14:32] Speaker 4: It was actually, he was actually great in those games
[1:14:34] Speaker 4: and you completely forget about the other games when he
[1:14:35] Speaker 4: wasn't doing anything out there.
[1:14:36] Speaker 5: That's the thing.
[1:14:37] Speaker 4: He's not worth twenty four million dollars. So maybe the
[1:14:39] Speaker 4: Hawks signed him back. Maybe he's an MLA guy. Fifteen
[1:14:42] Speaker 4: million for a non tax team if they're really into him,
[1:14:45] Speaker 4: six point one million for a tax team if they're
[1:14:47] Speaker 4: into him. The Nets, the Bulls, the Lakers have calf space.
[1:14:50] Speaker 4: You can see him on literally any of those teams.
[1:14:52] Speaker 4: Kind of makes sense for me. Or he could come
[1:14:54] Speaker 4: back to the Hawks if they decided to, like two
[1:14:57] Speaker 4: years thirty they like the athleticism or something like that.
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: But I think what's most interesting to me the.
[1:15:01] Speaker 4: Hawks are still gearing up for some flexibility mode heading
[1:15:04] Speaker 4: into free agency.
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: Here.
[1:15:06] Speaker 4: They haven't done anything quite yet, but they guaranteed that
[1:15:08] Speaker 4: Buddy Healed contract, which is just a trade salary. They
[1:15:12] Speaker 4: don't really need Resa sche after the Aaron Wiggins trade,
[1:15:16] Speaker 4: Corey Kispert being around doesn't make a lot of sense.
[1:15:19] Speaker 4: So if you add Healed, Resa sha Kispert, you got
[1:15:22] Speaker 4: the picks that you haven't used yet, You've got a
[1:15:24] Speaker 4: little bit of cap space. Having declined the option for
[1:15:27] Speaker 4: Jonathan Kaminga, it seems to me like the Hawks are
[1:15:30] Speaker 4: trying to pull something off this summer.
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: We'll see what it is, or at least getting everything
[1:15:33] Speaker 1: lined up for the next name that suddenly becomes available.
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: Maybe you're in play. Yeah. They also signed Jack Landell
[1:15:39] Speaker 1: to a one year, fourteen million dollars deal. I mean, wow,
[1:15:42] Speaker 1: that that number surprised me a little bit with how
[1:15:44] Speaker 1: big it was, But he got that. And they also
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: traded for Devin Carter and future second round picks came
[1:15:52] Speaker 1: their way from the Kinks.
[1:15:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, Devin Carter's a he's a young Gabe Vincent. You know,
[1:15:57] Speaker 3: he's gonna try. He's not quite Gay Vincent yet, but
[1:15:59] Speaker 3: he's try really hard. Defensively, he can splash some threes.
[1:16:02] Speaker 3: He hasn't really got a lot of time with Sacramento.
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: Always been injured too, so we'll see what he can.
[1:16:07] Speaker 2: He can do.
[1:16:08] Speaker 3: Great for them to get both him and that second
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: round pick for nothing because Sacramento wanted to dump his salary.
[1:16:15] Speaker 2: Well, Jock, they.
[1:16:17] Speaker 3: Could have used him in the playoffs and they needed
[1:16:19] Speaker 3: a big, big body. They are undersized. It's good to
[1:16:22] Speaker 3: keep him around. If Gogobitase didn't yank his shoulder and
[1:16:26] Speaker 3: sprain his ankle late in the regular season, he would
[1:16:29] Speaker 3: have been playing against Karl Anthony Towns in the playoffs
[1:16:31] Speaker 3: and would have helped. Would he have turned the series
[1:16:33] Speaker 3: against the New York Knicks. I'm not crazy to say yes,
[1:16:36] Speaker 3: he would have turned the series, but it could have
[1:16:39] Speaker 3: changed the series a little bit. And I think he's
[1:16:40] Speaker 3: kind of peeking at thirty. You know, those twenties were
[1:16:44] Speaker 3: all right, He's okay, but he's gotten better. So the
[1:16:46] Speaker 3: fourteen per that's a good number. He literally could start
[1:16:51] Speaker 3: for you at times because then Ka Konglu is undersized.
[1:16:54] Speaker 2: A little bit. So it's it's a great move to
[1:16:56] Speaker 2: have him around.
[1:16:57] Speaker 1: And that is why you immediately jump at the opportunity
[1:16:59] Speaker 1: to play in the NBA. Remember when he got traded
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: at the Atlanta Hawks, He's like, I gotta get there.
[1:17:03] Speaker 1: They got a game coming up. I'm driving there a
[1:17:05] Speaker 1: pickup truck. And he didn't go the wrong way like
[1:17:08] Speaker 1: we did going from Atlanta and Memphis. We went the
[1:17:11] Speaker 1: wrong on the wrong interstate. He went quickly here and
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: then he had a monster game and then what was
[1:17:15] Speaker 1: actually contributing. So he sticks around there as one of
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: their big Other big news precious Achua to re sign
[1:17:21] Speaker 1: with the Kings on a two year eleven point five
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: million dollar deal and use of Nurkic to sign a
[1:17:25] Speaker 1: two year twenty two million dollar contractor return to the Jazz,
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: And I think that's all I got for you.
[1:17:32] Speaker 5: I got on.
[1:17:35] Speaker 4: Nurkic is overpaid at this point, but he's it's just salary.
[1:17:37] Speaker 4: Like these guys you see these deals, they're like, they're
[1:17:40] Speaker 4: a decent enough guy to keep around in the locker room,
[1:17:43] Speaker 4: and we can throw him into a trade. Yeah, and
[1:17:45] Speaker 4: that's why use of Nurkic is making twenty million dollars
[1:17:47] Speaker 4: even though he missed the second half of the season
[1:17:49] Speaker 4: for nose surgery.
[1:17:51] Speaker 3: Two years twenty two. I know it's not anywhere close
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: to what Walker Kessler is gonna make. What does that
[1:17:57] Speaker 3: mean they're moving on from Walker Kessler. I think that's
[1:18:00] Speaker 3: fair question to ask with how many guys they have
[1:18:02] Speaker 3: in their rotation. So that's the most interesting thing about
[1:18:07] Speaker 3: use of Nurkic that I have to add.
[1:18:10] Speaker 5: You got a little news.
[1:18:11] Speaker 4: This is unusual. This is from sham Sharanya, who says
[1:18:14] Speaker 4: league news.
[1:18:15] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I saw this go ahead.
[1:18:16] Speaker 4: The NBA will hold the NBA Cup Championship game at
[1:18:20] Speaker 4: Butler's Hinkle Field.
[1:18:21] Speaker 1: House on December eleventh next season. What time to drop this.
[1:18:27] Speaker 1: We're going to Indianapolis for the NBA Cup. That's fascinating.
[1:18:30] Speaker 1: Why he decided to tweet this now, I don't know why.
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: It makes me laugh. He's like, there's nothing else going on. Yeah,
[1:18:36] Speaker 1: everything's already happened. Everybody's negotiation negotiating Cup news. Okay, we
[1:18:41] Speaker 1: had heard rumors of this that the NBA Cup Championship
[1:18:45] Speaker 1: game was not going to be in in Vegas and that. Yeah,
[1:18:48] Speaker 1: there was whispers of like famous college Uh yeah, stadiums
[1:18:53] Speaker 1: or arenas for neutral sites.
[1:18:55] Speaker 3: You do it once there, you do it in another
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: college that's famous around. Yeah, I think so. So Yeah,
[1:19:02] Speaker 3: Vegas wasn't doing it. We were there, just wasn't. The
[1:19:06] Speaker 3: buzz was not there. So this is just you know, picturesque.
[1:19:11] Speaker 3: It's got the story around it.
[1:19:12] Speaker 2: So you do it there. Cool, it will look cool.
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, December eleventh, right around the corner, guys, game is
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: going to be here before you know it. Get ready.
[1:19:24] Speaker 4: It's cold in December, and I think, yeah, you know
[1:19:30] Speaker 4: seeing Rick Smith's outside, well Tomos Steakhouse. Oh yeah, well
[1:19:34] Speaker 4: horse rash in your nose.
[1:19:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what the that's what they call uphill
[1:19:39] Speaker 1: skiing in Indianapolis. Yeah, exactly, cocktail. It's like, that's that's
[1:19:45] Speaker 1: what they used to say on the only restaurant in Indianapolis.
[1:19:49] Speaker 2: It was it in a little dish or was it
[1:19:52] Speaker 2: just on every single food? You know what I mean?
[1:19:55] Speaker 2: What did they have its separate.
[1:19:58] Speaker 1: If you wanted to?
[1:19:59] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[1:20:00] Speaker 5: Cool setup though, if I'm calling.
[1:20:02] Speaker 3: Correctly the restaurant just in general, No, the specifically the
[1:20:05] Speaker 3: shrimp cocktail.
[1:20:06] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the restaurant.
[1:20:07] Speaker 1: What I mean, we're making fun of it, but it's
[1:20:09] Speaker 1: an awesome restaurant. Were just like joking that it's the
[1:20:11] Speaker 1: only restaurant Indianapolis, Beau, that's the only place that anyone
[1:20:14] Speaker 1: seems to go world shrimp cocktail. Yeah, that's pretty famous.
[1:20:18] Speaker 3: What do you like more the restaurant or that hats
[1:20:21] Speaker 3: for the restaurant because their hats were cool?
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: What? Oh like the merch?
[1:20:25] Speaker 4: Yeah all right, they will do uh guaranteed they'll do
[1:20:32] Speaker 4: the measuring the hoops. This is where Hoosiers took place,
[1:20:36] Speaker 4: is in hinkle Field House, Like when they go and
[1:20:39] Speaker 4: play for the state title.
[1:20:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll measure the hoops.
[1:20:41] Speaker 5: They will absolutely do that.
[1:20:43] Speaker 1: Who will they get to be the coach? R? P.
[1:20:45] Speaker 1: Gen Hackney?
[1:20:45] Speaker 4: Yeah, who's a good old man actor?
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: Come on, this is your wheel. Paul Giamatti. I can't
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: imagine him as a.
[1:20:57] Speaker 2: Harris.
[1:20:58] Speaker 1: I don't hate it, don't. I don't hate Paul Giamadi either. Actually,
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: now I think about it, he's is he that old?
[1:21:05] Speaker 1: He's not.
[1:21:06] Speaker 2: He's probably older than Gene Hackman was when.
[1:21:08] Speaker 1: He was in Yeah, he's yours, but hmm, I don't
[1:21:13] Speaker 1: think on that one. All right, Well, the slap is
[1:21:16] Speaker 1: dried up. I mean, we got a lot of stuff
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: in here, though, guys, Kawhi, Leonard is going back to
[1:21:22] Speaker 1: the Toronto Raptors. That's crazy, obviously, John Morant to the
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: Portland trail Blazers days ago, Johannes to Miami Heat. So
[1:21:28] Speaker 1: there's are hojamellow Ball to the Minnesota Timberls. Dear lord,
[1:21:31] Speaker 1: I almost forgot about that one. So those are the
[1:21:33] Speaker 1: four big moves, the jayl and Brown of it all.
[1:21:36] Speaker 1: We still wait and see. Is that relationship salvagable or
[1:21:41] Speaker 1: is there a big deal that's going to happen? What
[1:21:43] Speaker 1: are you pumping your fists for?
[1:21:44] Speaker 4: Okay, you're gonna want to hear this, Okay. According to
[1:21:48] Speaker 4: Michael Scotto, the Chicago Balls were fully guaranteed the two
[1:21:51] Speaker 4: point four to one million dollar salary of Leonard Miller.
[1:21:55] Speaker 1: Oh my god, let go. They just won free agency.
[1:22:00] Speaker 1: On Friday's Drop podcast, we're starting with the Chicago Bulls,
[1:22:03] Speaker 1: all right, mill that's Bill mom Man. Well worth it.
[1:22:08] Speaker 5: Twelve starts last year, I know, how about that?
[1:22:11] Speaker 1: Thanks Michael Scutto, Yeah, thank you Scutto for the slappo.
[1:22:16] Speaker 1: All right, so let's call it there. Why not right
[1:22:18] Speaker 1: hour and a half. If something big happens tonight, we'll
[1:22:22] Speaker 1: do an emergency podcast either still here from the Classic
[1:22:24] Speaker 1: Factor or maybe in the yard. Plan is to be
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: here tomorrow morning, though, so we'll do more of a
[1:22:29] Speaker 1: round up, maybe more thoughts. You know, some of this
[1:22:32] Speaker 1: was just happening, you know, mere hours ago, and you're like, whoa, Okay,
[1:22:36] Speaker 1: Lebron's leaving. Ohhhi's going to Toronto. Whoa ujaman jangs going
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: back to the buck whoa? Can you believe it? So
[1:22:43] Speaker 1: that's the plan. Hit the like button, subscribe, five star
[1:22:45] Speaker 1: ratings and reviews. Hopefully we did good enough job sort
[1:22:49] Speaker 1: of lining everything up that's happened so far in this
[1:22:52] Speaker 1: free agency period where it's like there's no point waiting
[1:22:56] Speaker 1: until six anymore. I mean, I wonder if we need
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: to like switch up our plan of how we attack it.
[1:23:01] Speaker 1: I got one hand, it was good that we weren't
[1:23:03] Speaker 1: live yet when especially the Kauai thing happened, Well, then
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: you start to wonder, is like, is the move just
[1:23:08] Speaker 1: like wait around big news dropped, pop on, then pop off,
[1:23:12] Speaker 1: more like an eight o'clock start than a six o'clock start.
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, I don't know. I don't know.
[1:23:17] Speaker 4: Maybe teams are getting better at tampering, or maybe Adam
[1:23:20] Speaker 4: Silver's punishments have slowed down to tampering exactly. Like, Oh man,
[1:23:25] Speaker 4: now we gotta finally start talking at six. We've only
[1:23:27] Speaker 4: have fifty six minutes to debate the ins and the outs.
[1:23:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what's going on
[1:23:33] Speaker 1: anymore here, But anyway, we got a lot of news
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: in there, and let's hear your favorite from the bunch,
[1:23:39] Speaker 1: and where do you think Lebron's going? All that fun?
[1:23:40] Speaker 1: So we'll be back tomorrow morning at ten am Eastern
[1:23:43] Speaker 1: at Bones Highland minimum contract with the Okay, see we're
[1:23:46] Speaker 1: at the Bone time.
[1:23:46] Speaker 5: We're at the Bones time.
[1:23:48] Speaker 1: I mean, what what could possibly happen tonight? Free agent?
[1:23:51] Speaker 4: When Kelly you brid Junior plans to meet with the
[1:23:53] Speaker 4: seventy six ers, Pacers, Blazers, and Lakers, among others.
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: Okay, I got them going to the Pacers, Kelly, Yeah,
[1:23:59] Speaker 1: Kelly Dwyer, Kelly, be nice to Kelly's an Indiana.
[1:24:03] Speaker 2: I a big one. Peyton Watson's kind of a big
[1:24:05] Speaker 2: one waiting for that one.
[1:24:07] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm waiting for the jail and brown trade. Okay,
[1:24:10] Speaker 1: maybe to Denver. Maybe so Denver Nuggets. Uh maybe, I
[1:24:14] Speaker 1: mean still possible to Portland Trailblazers. Still possible.
[1:24:17] Speaker 5: That's the part we.
[1:24:17] Speaker 1: Didn't talk about.
[1:24:18] Speaker 4: That's a I think Lizen Tim Hardaway Junior kind of
[1:24:20] Speaker 4: bad for the Nuggets.
[1:24:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:24:22] Speaker 5: I don't have a lot to replace him with. And
[1:24:24] Speaker 5: he was actually pretty solid for them last year.
[1:24:26] Speaker 2: It was really good.
[1:24:27] Speaker 3: They may go it's a reach, but try and get
[1:24:31] Speaker 3: bugged down Bogdanovich to revitalize himself.
[1:24:33] Speaker 2: You know, he's buddies with Jokic. It's a Serbian brother.
[1:24:38] Speaker 2: You know, he's a little older. He hasn't been himself.
[1:24:41] Speaker 1: No, No, I saw I saw a kid walking around
[1:24:43] Speaker 1: Atlanta with a buck Danovitch suresy on yesterday.
[1:24:46] Speaker 2: I was like Hawks.
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, wow, I don't see that often.
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: Respect he's available ball no er. Uh So any big
[1:24:54] Speaker 1: predictions here then tonight or until we get back here
[1:24:56] Speaker 1: on tomorrow morning.
[1:24:58] Speaker 5: We'll have a tray to talk about tomorrow morning.
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to trade tonight. I mean I jokingly
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: through this on social media, but I guess somewhere inside me,
[1:25:07] Speaker 1: I semi believe it. Cavaliers are going to get Jayleen Brown.
[1:25:12] Speaker 1: They're going to make a huge move Evan Mobley for
[1:25:14] Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown. Then Lebron comes and then as I said,
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: Thomas Bryant can like try and post up all he
[1:25:21] Speaker 1: wants and Lebron just looks him off all season long,
[1:25:24] Speaker 1: running gag, running gag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that the
[1:25:27] Speaker 1: number one moment of Lebron's career in Los Angeles?
[1:25:30] Speaker 5: Passing mobil Jabar?
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: I would say the title, but like there's one a
[1:25:36] Speaker 1: lot of titles. Yeah, it was a bubble title at that.
[1:25:39] Speaker 1: I mean that makes it unique. I guess that was
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: a big moment. I mean playing with the sun was
[1:25:46] Speaker 1: a moment. Was a moment which remember there was like
[1:25:51] Speaker 1: it was like when's it gonna happen? It happened immediately immediately.
[1:25:54] Speaker 2: Of course with Jenny by Jeanie Buss on the sideline.
[1:25:59] Speaker 1: First, First, what else is there? Eight years?
[1:26:06] Speaker 2: Man? That's it? Okay, I think we're tapped. I mean
[1:26:12] Speaker 2: it's gotta be you know who.
[1:26:13] Speaker 1: I would love Ronnie to get on record right now
[1:26:16] Speaker 1: and ask, hey, i'd loved your thoughts on the Kawi
[1:26:18] Speaker 1: Leonard being traded from l A to the trunt of
[1:26:21] Speaker 1: raptors clipper bro. You heard it here first, have a
[1:26:24] Speaker 1: great time, turn up, love you guys. Awesome.
[1:26:27] Speaker 5: What does he think?
[1:26:28] Speaker 3: He thinks? Thanks joining us? And remember, I can't do it.
[1:26:33] Speaker 3: I can't do wow, I can't. Somehow we can do
[1:26:45] Speaker 3: a good quiet hold it out.
[1:26:48] Speaker 1: I gotta hear it. It's not that those No, that's
[1:26:52] Speaker 1: not it. It's more like that, I thought.
[1:26:59] Speaker 2: I agree.
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: All right, we'll see you tomorrow morning. Bracedat people, m

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