# Introducing Killer Communications

An episode of [Morbidology](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1463979546), 3 Mar 2025, 11 min.

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Introducing Killer Communications A Preview of Episode 1: Dale Williams In the small town of Nucla, Colorado, autobody shop Dale Williams took a call at his shop in 1999 for a stranded vehicle. He left in his truck and was never heard from again. What happened to Dale? And would he ever be found? We unpack this long-cold case and look at brand new evidence. We hope you enjoyed this special preview. The full and complete episode is available to listen to now on your favorite podcast player or app. You can find Killer Communications at their website; KillerCommunicationsPodcast.com Or on social media; Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KillerCommunicationsPodcast X: https://x.com/KillercPod Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/morbidology--3527306/support.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: I'd like to invite listeners of Morbidology to check out
[0:02] Speaker 1: a brand new podcast that I think you'll really enjoy
[0:05] Speaker 1: called Killer Communications from ab Jack Entertainment. It's hosted by
[0:10] Speaker 1: the amazing Mike Morpford. In each episode, Mike walks you
[0:13] Speaker 1: through tri crime cases that involves some element of communication
[0:17] Speaker 1: from the potential perp. Whether it's a taunting email sent
[0:20] Speaker 1: to police, a mysterious text to a victim or their family,
[0:24] Speaker 1: or a threatening letter in the mailbox of a newspaper.
[0:27] Speaker 1: Mike unraps these cases and how these sinister communications played
[0:31] Speaker 1: a role in the case. You probably think that the
[0:34] Speaker 1: bad guys in these cases want to keep their distance
[0:36] Speaker 1: and not provide any extra clues that may lead to
[0:39] Speaker 1: them being identified, but you'd be surprised at just how
[0:43] Speaker 1: often it happens. I'm about to play you a preview
[0:47] Speaker 1: of episode one of Killer Communications, the case of Deal Williams,
[0:51] Speaker 1: who vanished from Nuclear Colorado in ninety ninety nine after
[0:54] Speaker 1: receiving a mysterious phone call. For decades, his case went
[0:58] Speaker 1: unsolved before rast was finally made recently. After listening, go
[1:03] Speaker 1: over and listen to the complete Deal Williams episode to
[1:06] Speaker 1: see how the key is kicked off and how it
[1:08] Speaker 1: was solved. It's available Noise everywhere you listen to podcasts.
[1:13] Speaker 1: New episodes of Killer Communications publish every other Saturday. Be
[1:17] Speaker 1: sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode.
[1:22] Speaker 2: Chapter two Where did Dal Go? The caller of Dale's
[1:26] Speaker 2: shop had indicated they had broken down in the town
[1:29] Speaker 2: of Bedrock, about twenty six miles from Nukla. On his
[1:32] Speaker 2: way to Bedrock, Dale stopped at a gas station owned
[1:35] Speaker 2: by his neighbor and good friend, Tammy Lawrence, where he
[1:38] Speaker 2: gassed up and let her know that he was on
[1:39] Speaker 2: his way to help a stranded person and that he
[1:41] Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to fix her car's windshield. In hindsight,
[1:45] Speaker 2: Tammy felt this was odd and Dal would normally just
[1:47] Speaker 2: call her on the phone about something so small. Tammy
[1:51] Speaker 2: got the feeling Dal was uneasy about something and maybe
[1:53] Speaker 2: he wanted her husband to go along with him, but
[1:56] Speaker 2: he wasn't home, So Dale left Tammy's gas station and
[1:59] Speaker 2: was never seen again. Chapter three Missing Persons Report. By
[2:07] Speaker 2: nine pm on the night of the twenty seventh, Dale
[2:09] Speaker 2: hadn't returned home well. His wife, Diana wasn't really worried
[2:12] Speaker 2: at this point, because it was normal for Dale to
[2:14] Speaker 2: be working late on projects. She did find it a
[2:17] Speaker 2: little strange that he wasn't answering the shop's phone just
[2:20] Speaker 2: a reminder. This was nineteen ninety nine, and according to
[2:23] Speaker 2: Dale's daughter Tony, her family only had one cell phone
[2:26] Speaker 2: they used if they were traveling, so Dal didn't have
[2:29] Speaker 2: a cell phone with him. Diana figured Dale was just
[2:33] Speaker 2: busy with his work, and although she was a little
[2:35] Speaker 2: uneasy as she went to sleep that night, she felt
[2:37] Speaker 2: confident that in the morning she'd wake up with Dal
[2:40] Speaker 2: next to her. But the next morning, when Dal wasn't there,
[2:43] Speaker 2: Diana couldn't shake the feeling that something was wrong, very wrong.
[2:47] Speaker 2: She called Dal's mother, who lived a few blocks away,
[2:50] Speaker 2: and the two women went over to the shop to
[2:51] Speaker 2: see if Dal had fallen asleep at work. But what
[2:54] Speaker 2: they found there raised all of the alarm bells. The
[2:57] Speaker 2: shop doors were wide open, the hood of a car
[3:00] Speaker 2: Dale had been working on was still propped upright, and
[3:02] Speaker 2: his tools were scattered around like he had left them
[3:04] Speaker 2: in the middle of this project. The scene looked like
[3:08] Speaker 2: he had literally just walked away for a few minutes
[3:10] Speaker 2: with intentions to return. The only thing missing was a
[3:13] Speaker 2: shop truck and Dall's toolbox. Both women thought maybe Dal
[3:18] Speaker 2: had gotten so into a project that he'd gone to
[3:20] Speaker 2: one of the local junkyards to pick up some parts,
[3:22] Speaker 2: but when they visited the junkyards a Dale frequented, no
[3:25] Speaker 2: one had seen him. Beginning to panic and at a
[3:28] Speaker 2: loss for what they do next, Diana called the local
[3:31] Speaker 2: police to file missing persons report. Oh fallon Police Department.
[3:34] Speaker 2: Is this an emergency? Chapter four? The search begins. Police
[3:41] Speaker 2: called in the Colorado Bureau of Investigations or CBI and
[3:44] Speaker 2: the Montrose County Sheriff's Department to help investigate. The Williams
[3:48] Speaker 2: family also organized citizen searches of the area to see
[3:51] Speaker 2: if they could find Dal. According to Dall's brother Dick,
[3:54] Speaker 2: over one hundred people came out to help search in
[3:57] Speaker 2: those first few days, but aside from finding some tools
[4:00] Speaker 2: on the side of the highway near the town of Bedrock,
[4:03] Speaker 2: search has turned up nothing. Police had a few eyewitness
[4:06] Speaker 2: accounts that stated they'd seen Dale's truck on the side
[4:09] Speaker 2: of the highway with another vehicle on the afternoon of
[4:12] Speaker 2: May twenty seventh, but no one could identify the driver
[4:15] Speaker 2: of the other car. There were no surveillance cameras in
[4:18] Speaker 2: the Bedrock area, and though police were able to determine
[4:21] Speaker 2: that the caller had contacted Dale's shop from a stolen
[4:24] Speaker 2: cell phone, they were unable to trace it to a
[4:26] Speaker 2: legitimate person. Dal's daughter Tony, has strong beliefs that the
[4:31] Speaker 2: caller couldn't have been in Bedrock when they made the call,
[4:33] Speaker 2: as the town sits in a deep valley between large
[4:36] Speaker 2: mountain ranges, and even today, cell phone reception there is
[4:39] Speaker 2: incredibly spotty. In nineteen ninety nine, it would have been
[4:43] Speaker 2: near impossible to have made a cell phone call from
[4:45] Speaker 2: that area. With very little evidence to go on, police
[4:49] Speaker 2: speculated that perhaps Dale had interrupted some criminal activity like
[4:53] Speaker 2: a drug exchange and become the victim of a larger crime,
[4:56] Speaker 2: or perhaps someone had a nefarious purpose for the phone call.
[5:00] Speaker 2: But why would anyone want to loure Dale Williams to
[5:03] Speaker 2: a secluded location with the intention of harming him. By
[5:06] Speaker 2: all accounts, he was a respected and deeply admired member
[5:09] Speaker 2: of the community. But there was one person who didn't
[5:12] Speaker 2: admire Dale. A man who remains unnamed for reasons of
[5:16] Speaker 2: privacy and was a friend of Dale's, turned out to
[5:19] Speaker 2: be extremely abusive towards his wife and son. Dall and
[5:22] Speaker 2: Diana had been friends with his family, but when the
[5:24] Speaker 2: wife told them she was trying to get a divorce
[5:26] Speaker 2: and afraid for her safety, Dall and Diana helped her
[5:29] Speaker 2: and her son escape to a safe location while the
[5:31] Speaker 2: husband was out of town. The husband was extremely angry
[5:35] Speaker 2: when he came home to find his wife and son gone,
[5:37] Speaker 2: and he knew that only Dale and Diana could have
[5:39] Speaker 2: done something since no one else knew about this abuse.
[5:42] Speaker 2: But when he confronted down Diana, they claimed they didn't
[5:44] Speaker 2: know anything about where the man's family might have gone.
[5:50] Speaker 2: Chapter five break Ins, Vandalism, and a possible suspect. About
[5:57] Speaker 2: a year after they had helped their ex friend's wife
[5:59] Speaker 2: and son escape, Dale came to a shop one morning
[6:02] Speaker 2: to find it had been broken into. His twenty two
[6:04] Speaker 2: caliber handgun was missing, and the bullets had been scattered
[6:07] Speaker 2: all over the garage. There were also several photos of Dale, Diana,
[6:12] Speaker 2: and this strange couple from their happier times together that
[6:15] Speaker 2: had been ripped up and left by the garage door.
[6:18] Speaker 2: Then a few months after this break in, Diana found
[6:20] Speaker 2: Dale's missing gun and the movie returned dropbox at their
[6:23] Speaker 2: video store. Well, it was never proven that Dale's ex
[6:26] Speaker 2: friend was the vandal or the thief of his gun.
[6:29] Speaker 2: Dale's family always felt that it was him. As far
[6:32] Speaker 2: as Dale's daughter Tony knows, her father never called the
[6:35] Speaker 2: police about these issues or brought charges against his ex friend.
[6:39] Speaker 2: Her feelings are that her dad wasn't the kind of
[6:41] Speaker 2: person who called the police on his friends, and may
[6:43] Speaker 2: not have felt the issue was serious enough to warrant
[6:45] Speaker 2: calling them without definitive proof. What is very interesting is
[6:50] Speaker 2: that during the community search for Dale, the police department
[6:53] Speaker 2: provided hundreds of missing persons posters with Dale's information and
[6:57] Speaker 2: photo on them that we would be hung around the
[6:58] Speaker 2: surrounding areas. One of these places was at the Nuclear
[7:02] Speaker 2: post Office, and Diana noticed that the poster she hung
[7:05] Speaker 2: in the post office waiting room had been ripped from
[7:07] Speaker 2: the board and thrown away. She replaced the poster and
[7:11] Speaker 2: came the next day, only to find that that poster
[7:13] Speaker 2: too had been ripped down. This went on for several days,
[7:17] Speaker 2: and Diana felt that it was no mistake someone was
[7:19] Speaker 2: deliberately removing Dal's flyers from this prominent location. Diana was proactive.
[7:25] Speaker 2: She asked the post office if they could install a
[7:27] Speaker 2: camera in the waiting room to see if they could
[7:29] Speaker 2: catch the perpetrator, and they agreed to do that. Within
[7:32] Speaker 2: just a few days, Footage from this camera captured Dal's
[7:35] Speaker 2: ex friend clearly ripping the flyer down and crumpling it
[7:38] Speaker 2: up for tossing it in the garbage can. Why would
[7:42] Speaker 2: he do this? Did he not want Dal to be found?
[7:45] Speaker 2: Or was he just an angry man who hadn't let
[7:47] Speaker 2: go of his grudge against his ex friend. Diana took
[7:51] Speaker 2: this information to the police and they did question this
[7:54] Speaker 2: man about Dell's disappearance. He did seem to be a
[7:57] Speaker 2: viable person of interest. Unfortunate, he had a solid alibi
[8:01] Speaker 2: in another location on the day Dale disappeared, and he
[8:04] Speaker 2: also agreed to take two polygraph tests which he passed
[8:07] Speaker 2: and he was quickly ruled out as a suspect. Chapter
[8:12] Speaker 2: six Dale's truck has found. Investigators trying to solve Dale's
[8:19] Speaker 2: case didn't have much until the weekend of July fourth,
[8:21] Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine. Just outside of Nukle, at a swimming
[8:25] Speaker 2: hole down a dirt road, a local teenager named Levi
[8:28] Speaker 2: was fishing with his brother. Levi's lawre got hung up
[8:32] Speaker 2: on something out in the water, and he decided to
[8:34] Speaker 2: swim out to retrieve it. The laure was caught on
[8:37] Speaker 2: the window of a submerged truck. As Levi swam around
[8:41] Speaker 2: the vehicle, he wondered if it could belong to Dal Williams,
[8:43] Speaker 2: and he was able to pool the dash cover off
[8:45] Speaker 2: the truck's upper windshield and bring it to the surface
[8:48] Speaker 2: for a better investigation. And sure enough, when he read
[8:51] Speaker 2: the words William's autobody garage, he knew the truck was Dale's.
[8:56] Speaker 2: Levi immediately contacted the police in the Williams family and
[9:00] Speaker 2: a team was sent to the swimming hole to investigate
[9:02] Speaker 2: this first piece of evidence. The truck was in ten
[9:06] Speaker 2: feet of water and stuck in about three feet of
[9:08] Speaker 2: soft silk, so it required a huge backhoe to remove
[9:11] Speaker 2: it from the water. This did quite a bit of
[9:16] Speaker 2: damage to the vehicle, and Tony would later say that
[9:19] Speaker 2: because the windows of the truck were open, some items
[9:22] Speaker 2: from the truck's interior escaped downstream, and investigators never bothered
[9:26] Speaker 2: to retrieve those things. Whether or not this would have
[9:29] Speaker 2: been useful evidence will never be known. Dal's body was
[9:32] Speaker 2: not in the truck. So he remained missing. At first,
[9:37] Speaker 2: police wondered if perhaps Dal had gone off the road
[9:39] Speaker 2: and into the water as a result of an accident,
[9:42] Speaker 2: but when they searched the area, it became clear that
[9:44] Speaker 2: it was no accident, that the truck was placed into
[9:46] Speaker 2: that body of water on purpose. Police were able to
[9:50] Speaker 2: determine that the truck had been running when it went
[9:52] Speaker 2: into the water, and that it had gone in at a
[9:54] Speaker 2: very low rate of speed. It was believed that the
[9:57] Speaker 2: truck was literally walked into the lake by someone walking
[10:00] Speaker 2: beside it and steering it into the water via the
[10:02] Speaker 2: open window. In later interviews, Tony would explain that the
[10:07] Speaker 2: swimming hole was not well known to anyone outside of
[10:09] Speaker 2: the local community, and it wasn't visible from the road,
[10:13] Speaker 2: so if someone had stolen her father's truck, they would
[10:15] Speaker 2: have had to know the area to know that the
[10:17] Speaker 2: swimming hole was there. One thing notably missing from the
[10:21] Speaker 2: truck was a large toolbox Dale had in the back bed.
[10:24] Speaker 2: It had been removed, and due to the water, it
[10:27] Speaker 2: made taking fingerprints or doing other preliminary forensics extremely difficult.
[10:32] Speaker 2: The investigation once again stalled

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