# 277: Lise Fredette

An episode of [Morbidology](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1463979546), 7 Oct 2024, 1 h 09 min.

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## Transcript

[0:34] Speaker 1: You know exactly what happened to me. Now.
[0:37] Speaker 2: The way I have to look at it is, and
[0:39] Speaker 2: I do look at it like this. Do I think
[0:43] Speaker 2: for one moment that you planned all this? Absolutely not.
[0:48] Speaker 2: Do I think for one moment that you woke up
[0:50] Speaker 2: one day and said that I'm going to harm her
[0:54] Speaker 2: and take her life.
[0:55] Speaker 1: No, I don't think that at all.
[1:05] Speaker 3: Peterborough in Ontario, Canada is a city rich in history.
[1:09] Speaker 3: Nestled on the banks of the Autonobee River in the
[1:12] Speaker 3: Kuwartha Lakes region, Its origins traced back to the early
[1:16] Speaker 3: nineteenth century, when it was first settled by European immigrants.
[1:21] Speaker 3: In eighteen twenty five, Peter Robinson, a government official, led
[1:25] Speaker 3: nearly two thousand Irish settlers to the area, seeking to
[1:29] Speaker 3: alleviate property and overcrowding in Ireland. This event marked the
[1:34] Speaker 3: beginning of what would become a thriving community, initially known
[1:37] Speaker 3: as Scott's Plains but later renamed Peterborough in honor of
[1:42] Speaker 3: Robinson's efforts. Throughout the nineteenth century, Peterburg grew rapidly, driven
[1:47] Speaker 3: by its strategic location on the waterways and its proximity
[1:51] Speaker 3: to rich farmlands. The Trent Severn Waterway, which is a
[1:56] Speaker 3: vital transportation route, facilitated trade and industry, leading to the
[2:01] Speaker 3: establishment of mills, factories, and other enterprises. By the late
[2:06] Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds, Peterborough had become a bustling industrial center, known
[2:10] Speaker 3: for its production of lumber and agricultural equipment. But most notably,
[2:15] Speaker 3: it played a crucial role in the early days of
[2:18] Speaker 3: Canada's electricity industry. The city was home to the Addison
[2:23] Speaker 3: Electric Company, which later became part of General Electric. As
[2:27] Speaker 3: the twentieth century unfolded, Peterborough continued to grow and diversify.
[2:33] Speaker 3: The post war era brought significant changes as the city's
[2:36] Speaker 3: economy shifted from heavy industry to a more balanced mix
[2:41] Speaker 3: of manufacturing, education, and services. The establishment of Trent University
[2:46] Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty four and Fleming College in nineteen sixty
[2:50] Speaker 3: seven further bolstered the city's development. Today, Peterborough is a vibrant,
[2:55] Speaker 3: midsized city that balances its historical routes with modern domania.
[3:00] Speaker 3: These its picturesques down town with well preserved heritage buildings
[3:06] Speaker 3: stand as a reminder of the city's rich past, while
[3:10] Speaker 3: its parks, cultural institutions, and thriving art scenes reflect its
[3:14] Speaker 3: dynamic present. However, beneath the surface of this seemingly idyllic community,
[3:21] Speaker 3: a darker tale unfolded in November of two thousand and fourteen,
[3:25] Speaker 3: one that would send shockwaves through the city. Lies Fredet
[3:44] Speaker 3: had just wrapped up her shift at the Chiemong Road
[3:46] Speaker 3: wal Mart in Peterborough on the twelfth of November two
[3:50] Speaker 3: thousand and fourteen. She drove for co worker step Bradley
[3:55] Speaker 3: home before heading in the direction of her own home
[3:58] Speaker 3: on Bensford Road. Lise was a seventy four year old
[4:03] Speaker 3: woman who lived alone in her well kept bungalow. She
[4:06] Speaker 3: had worked at the Chimong location for the past twenty
[4:09] Speaker 3: seven years, first at Wilco and then at Walmart. In
[4:14] Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five. Lise had moved from Quebec to Peterborough
[4:18] Speaker 3: and she had two children, Stefan and Nathalie, and two grandchildren.
[4:23] Speaker 3: She had a heavy French accent and was very involved
[4:26] Speaker 3: with her family and loved to dance on the weekends.
[4:30] Speaker 3: The next morning, when Lise didn't show up for her
[4:32] Speaker 3: shift at Walmart, her absence immediately raised concerns. She was
[4:38] Speaker 3: known for her punctuality, always arriving a few minutes early
[4:42] Speaker 3: to prepare for the day ahead. Lise was reliable, the
[4:47] Speaker 3: kind of employee who never missed a shift without notifying
[4:50] Speaker 3: someone first, So when she didn't appear at her usual time,
[4:55] Speaker 3: her coworkers were puzzled. As the minutes ticked by, concern
[4:59] Speaker 3: began to grow. By mid morning, the store manager decided
[5:03] Speaker 3: to make a call to Lisa's daughter, Nathalie. It was
[5:08] Speaker 3: a simple gesture, one they hoped would quickly clear up
[5:11] Speaker 3: the situation. Maybe Lise was sick, or perhaps something had
[5:15] Speaker 3: come up unexpectedly. But when Nathalie picked up the phone,
[5:20] Speaker 3: she was surprised to learn that her mother hadn't shown
[5:22] Speaker 3: up for work. In fact, she hadn't spoken to her
[5:26] Speaker 3: mother since the day beforehand. A nod of dread tightened
[5:30] Speaker 3: in Nathalie's stomach as the realization set in something was wrong.
[5:37] Speaker 3: It wasn't like her mother. She was responsible, careful, the
[5:42] Speaker 3: kind of person who wouldn't just disappear without a word.
[5:46] Speaker 3: Nathalie later recalled, she wouldn't even go for gas without
[5:49] Speaker 3: telling me. Natalie immediately drove over to her mother's home
[5:54] Speaker 3: on Bensford Road. As she pulled up outside, she felt
[5:59] Speaker 3: a small wave of relief upon seeing her car in
[6:01] Speaker 3: the driveway, But as she walked up the driveway, something
[6:06] Speaker 3: caught her attention. Just a few feet from her car.
[6:11] Speaker 3: Laying on the ground were Lise's glasses and earring and
[6:15] Speaker 3: house case, but it was what she found in front
[6:19] Speaker 3: and behind the vehicle that terrified her. It was poddles
[6:23] Speaker 3: of blood. After the ominous discovery outside of Lise's home,
[6:34] Speaker 3: her family wasted no time in calling police. When they
[6:38] Speaker 3: arrived at eleven forty a m. They approached the front
[6:41] Speaker 3: door and knocked. They waited, the silence stretching out uncomfortably,
[6:48] Speaker 3: but nobody answered. The unsettling quiet and the discarded items
[6:52] Speaker 3: outside were enough to sand alarm bells ringing in the
[6:56] Speaker 3: detective's minds. Without wasting another moment, they made the decision
[7:01] Speaker 3: to force entry. With the swift kick, the door gave way,
[7:06] Speaker 3: swinging open to reveal the interior of Lise's home. The
[7:11] Speaker 3: detective stepped inside cautiously, their eyes scanning the surroundings. At
[7:17] Speaker 3: first glance, nothing appeared to be a miss. The house
[7:21] Speaker 3: was neat, orderly, and no immediate signs of a struggle.
[7:25] Speaker 3: Everything seemed untouched, as if Lese had simply vanished into
[7:29] Speaker 3: thin air. They moved through the house looking for any
[7:33] Speaker 3: clue that might explain her disappearance, but nothing could point
[7:37] Speaker 3: them in the direction of Lese. The detectives called in
[7:41] Speaker 3: forensic experts. Within minutes, the quiet suburban home was transformed
[7:47] Speaker 3: into a crime scene, enveloped in yellow tape. They examined
[7:52] Speaker 3: the driveway and found blood on four separate locations. Based
[7:57] Speaker 3: on the amount of blood, Detective Constable Jake Frisen called
[8:00] Speaker 3: his partner, Detective Constable Ran Donaldson. In addition to the
[8:06] Speaker 3: blood on the driveway, they came across another spot of
[8:10] Speaker 3: blood on Lisa's car. Detectives promptly announced Lisa's disappearance to
[8:15] Speaker 3: the public. They asked for their help in locating her
[8:19] Speaker 3: and said that they were concerned for her well being.
[8:22] Speaker 3: The search for Lease thus far had focused on the
[8:24] Speaker 3: area surrounding her home, with Detective staff Sergeant Lynne Buehler commenting,
[8:31] Speaker 3: we're covering a large expanse of geography in the area
[8:34] Speaker 3: surrounding her home, and we have yet to find lease
[8:37] Speaker 3: for Debt. She continued stating, we don't know what happened
[8:42] Speaker 3: to Lease at this point. We're certainly very concerned based
[8:45] Speaker 3: on what we found in her driveway, but we don't
[8:48] Speaker 3: have the answers. After no sign of Lease could be
[8:53] Speaker 3: found in the immediate vicinity, detectives found out further afield.
[8:58] Speaker 3: They printed and distributed missing persons posters that described Lease
[9:02] Speaker 3: as five feet four inches tall and weighing about one
[9:05] Speaker 3: hundred and twenty pounds. She had short blonde hair and
[9:09] Speaker 3: hazel eyes. When she left Walmart the evening beforehand, she
[9:14] Speaker 3: was dressed in a three quarter length black down filled
[9:16] Speaker 3: winter jacket, dark pants, and black shoes. After another unfruitful
[9:22] Speaker 3: day of searching, detectives called in the assistance of a
[9:25] Speaker 3: police helicopter to scan from overhead while boats examined Autonoby River.
[9:32] Speaker 3: Detectives made sure the check all area hospitals in case
[9:36] Speaker 3: Lease had been admitted, but Lace was nowhere to be found.
[9:41] Speaker 3: They followed tips that led them to old giant tiger
[9:44] Speaker 3: on Highway twenty eight, Baxter Creek golf Course, a sugar
[9:48] Speaker 3: shack in Port Hope, and rolled up carpet on Crowley Lane.
[9:53] Speaker 3: Each tip was extensively examined, but each one only led
[9:58] Speaker 3: to a dead end. On the eighteenth of November, Painstreet
[10:08] Speaker 3: was unusually alive with activity. It was around six kilometers
[10:13] Speaker 3: away from Lisa's home. A noticeable police presence outside one
[10:18] Speaker 3: of the homes had caught the attention of the neighborhood
[10:21] Speaker 3: and the media alike. The house in question belonged to
[10:26] Speaker 3: seventy six year old Andrew Watson, a man known to
[10:29] Speaker 3: his neighbors as a quiet, reserved individual. As police conducted
[10:34] Speaker 3: their business, Watson followed them outside on handcuffed but flanked
[10:39] Speaker 3: by officers. Without a word to the curious onlookers, he
[10:43] Speaker 3: climbed into a police fan and left, leaving behind a
[10:47] Speaker 3: flurry of questions and speculation. Reporters quickly gathered outside the home,
[10:54] Speaker 3: their cameras flashing, their voices overlapping as they tried to
[10:57] Speaker 3: piece together who Watson was and what his connection might
[11:02] Speaker 3: be to the unfolding investigation. Neighbors began to offer their
[11:07] Speaker 3: own accounts of Watson, painting a picture of a man
[11:11] Speaker 3: who largely kept to himself. He's a very private person,
[11:15] Speaker 3: one neighbor remarked, he doesn't bother anybody. They described his
[11:20] Speaker 3: heavy Scottish accent, his love for reading, and his well
[11:24] Speaker 3: tended garden which he often worked on in solitude. One
[11:29] Speaker 3: of them said, if he's innocent and he comes back,
[11:33] Speaker 3: everyone's going to have doubts about him, and that's wrong.
[11:38] Speaker 3: But as the conversation steepened, one neighbor revealed a more
[11:42] Speaker 3: personal connection to the missing woman at the heart of
[11:45] Speaker 3: the investigation. According to this neighbor, Lisa dated Watson for
[11:52] Speaker 3: about a year. She used to come around here all
[11:55] Speaker 3: the time, they recalled. It was a relationship that it
[11:59] Speaker 3: seemed to fade earlier in the year, with Lise's visits
[12:02] Speaker 3: becoming infrequent. The neighbor believed they had broken up, as
[12:07] Speaker 3: Lise hadn't been seen at Watson's home since March or April. However,
[12:12] Speaker 3: the neighbor then shared something more recent. About three weeks ago,
[12:16] Speaker 3: they had seen Lese again. She pulled into Watson's driveway,
[12:21] Speaker 3: but he wasn't home at the time. Instead of leaving,
[12:24] Speaker 3: she circled the block a few times until he returned.
[12:28] Speaker 3: The neighbor watched as she went into the house, only
[12:31] Speaker 3: to leave about ten minutes later. A couple of days
[12:36] Speaker 3: after Watson left with police, he arrived back at the
[12:39] Speaker 3: home alone. He was approached by the media and declined
[12:43] Speaker 3: to comment other than to say reports about him had
[12:47] Speaker 3: been wrong. In a soft voice, he said, you can't
[12:52] Speaker 3: rely on the anonymous neighbors. However, it soon became apparent
[12:58] Speaker 3: that Watson was much which worse than anybody could have imagined.
[13:05] Speaker 3: In two thousand and eleven, Lease for Dead wasn't looking
[13:08] Speaker 3: for love. She was happy spending her time with her children,
[13:13] Speaker 3: working and volunteering in the kitchen at the Maple Ridge
[13:17] Speaker 3: Recreation Dance Center. She prepared the luncheons for the dance.
[13:23] Speaker 3: It was here that she first met Andrew Watson. He
[13:27] Speaker 3: was a tall man with a Scottish accent, and Lise
[13:30] Speaker 3: was smitten. Watson had moved to Peterborough around twenty years
[13:35] Speaker 3: earlier when he was transferred while working at the Ministry
[13:38] Speaker 3: of Natural Resources and Forestry as a clerk. He'd never
[13:43] Speaker 3: be married and he'd never had children. Their relationship began slowly,
[13:48] Speaker 3: built on shared dances. On a Saturday night, Natalie noticed
[13:53] Speaker 3: a change in her mother she recalled. At first, she
[13:59] Speaker 3: was happy. However, the relationship wasn't without its challenges. As
[14:05] Speaker 3: the months passed, Watson's affection grew possessive. There were moments
[14:10] Speaker 3: of tension where Watson's insistence on knowing Lise's every known
[14:14] Speaker 3: movement became suffocating. They would break up, only to reconcile
[14:19] Speaker 3: weeks later, each time hoping that things might be different.
[14:24] Speaker 3: But by he served two thousand and fourteen, Lise had
[14:27] Speaker 3: reached her limit. She ended the relationship for good, but
[14:32] Speaker 3: Watson wouldn't accept that it was over. He began to
[14:36] Speaker 3: appear at odd times, standing silently in the cemetery across
[14:40] Speaker 3: from Lise's home, watching her as she went about her day.
[14:45] Speaker 3: Lise tried to ignore him, but his presence was unsettling,
[14:49] Speaker 3: a constant reminder that he was still there, still waiting.
[14:54] Speaker 3: Then the letters began to appear in her post box,
[14:58] Speaker 3: cryptic messages that vered between declarations of love and veiled threats. Then,
[15:04] Speaker 3: when Lise began dating another man named Ben Coleman, these
[15:08] Speaker 3: letters increased in volume. In one Watson route, I'm really
[15:14] Speaker 3: worried about you going to bed at one a m.
[15:17] Speaker 3: He suggested that Lise's new boyfriend mustn't care about her
[15:21] Speaker 3: if he subjected her to such a bad routine. I
[15:24] Speaker 3: keep wondering how you can have sex with someone you
[15:27] Speaker 3: don't love. Perhaps you should sit down and consider how
[15:30] Speaker 3: you're going to pay for this lifestyle. A few days later,
[15:35] Speaker 3: he wrote another letter which read, I would like to
[15:39] Speaker 3: apologize to you for the note I sent you. It
[15:42] Speaker 3: was in extremely bad taste and I'm ashamed of myself
[15:45] Speaker 3: for having written it. Love Always Andy. Watson seemed to
[15:50] Speaker 3: know Lisa's every movement and even accused her of not
[15:53] Speaker 3: taking a bath before she went to bed one night.
[15:58] Speaker 3: He continued to sit in the cemetery watching her, and
[16:01] Speaker 3: some days he even had a pair of binoculars. One night,
[16:06] Speaker 3: Ben saw vehicle he believed to be Watson outside Lise's home.
[16:11] Speaker 3: When he went to confront him, he sped off. Sometime later, however,
[16:17] Speaker 3: he found a letter from Watson on his car window. Then,
[16:22] Speaker 3: in September of twenty and fourteen, Lise reported Watson to police,
[16:27] Speaker 3: and on the ninth Detective Constable Ian Maxwell was dispatched
[16:31] Speaker 3: to her home. Lise told him that the day beforehand,
[16:34] Speaker 3: she had received a letter from Watson which read, so
[16:38] Speaker 3: Ben just focks you in leaves. One would think that
[16:41] Speaker 3: if you're good enough to fuck, you would be good
[16:43] Speaker 3: enough to spend time with. The letter went on to
[16:47] Speaker 3: read that Ben didn't love Lise and she didn't love him.
[16:51] Speaker 3: He continued, you and Ben deserve each other, and I
[16:55] Speaker 3: hope you'll be very happy together. Detective Constable Maxwell drove
[16:59] Speaker 3: over to Watson's home to caution him, but he denied
[17:03] Speaker 3: that he had done anything. Eventually, Lise began saying a
[17:06] Speaker 3: psychotherapist named Rodney Pintu and she confided in him about
[17:11] Speaker 3: how she was scared of Watson. About a month before
[17:15] Speaker 3: she vanished. Pintoo put a safety plan in for Lise
[17:19] Speaker 3: and said that if he ever showed up at her
[17:21] Speaker 3: home to call police. But the harassment only continued. Lise
[17:27] Speaker 3: received another letter from Watson which read, I want you
[17:31] Speaker 3: to know that you have absolutely no reason to be
[17:33] Speaker 3: afraid of me. Lise, please don't go to the police
[17:37] Speaker 3: with this note. You've already got me into enough hot
[17:40] Speaker 3: water with the police or ery. The letters only continued
[17:45] Speaker 3: and included two attempts at a peace offering. Then in November,
[17:50] Speaker 3: Least reached out to Detective Constable Maxwell once more, and
[17:54] Speaker 3: on the second he cautioned Watson again. The detective believed
[17:59] Speaker 3: that Watson and seemed to understand the consequences of possible
[18:03] Speaker 3: harassment charges, but Watson clearly didn't understand or care about
[18:09] Speaker 3: the consequences, and he continued harassing Lease. She eventually drove
[18:16] Speaker 3: over to Watson's home and demanded that he leave her alone,
[18:21] Speaker 3: but when she was inside, she noticed a handwritten note.
[18:26] Speaker 3: She could see that he had been keeping track of
[18:28] Speaker 3: her every waking movement. After Lise had vanished and detective
[18:38] Speaker 3: searched her home for clues, they found a stack of
[18:41] Speaker 3: letters that were mark Dandy. These were the disturbing letters
[18:46] Speaker 3: that he had been sending her. Detectives made their way
[18:50] Speaker 3: to Watson's home, and when he opened up the front door,
[18:54] Speaker 3: they could see that there were cuts to his hand
[18:56] Speaker 3: and head. Watson told detectives he hadn't seen Lease and
[19:01] Speaker 3: that he was at home the night she went missing. However,
[19:06] Speaker 3: when detectives spoke with a neighbor, they reported that he
[19:09] Speaker 3: had left his home at seven thirty pm and still
[19:12] Speaker 3: wasn't back when she went to bed at eleven PM.
[19:16] Speaker 3: Detectives were more than suspicious of Andrew Watson, and they
[19:20] Speaker 3: obtained a search warrant for his home. Inside, they found
[19:24] Speaker 3: duplicate letters that match the letters from Watson that were
[19:27] Speaker 3: found in Lise's home. Detectives also came across three calendars
[19:31] Speaker 3: from two thousand and twelve until two thousand and fourteen.
[19:36] Speaker 3: Each of them was marked with notes about Lese's work schedule,
[19:39] Speaker 3: details of how they spent time together, and the dates
[19:42] Speaker 3: they broke up and got back together. In January two
[19:47] Speaker 3: thousand and thirteen, he had written Lise confirmed she gave
[19:50] Speaker 3: me a second chance. I'm so happy I could jump
[19:53] Speaker 3: over the moon. The calendars also included the two dates
[19:57] Speaker 3: he was cautioned to leave Lese alone. But that wasn't
[20:02] Speaker 3: all the detectives fawned in the basement, they came across
[20:06] Speaker 3: a shovel that was sitting in a bucket of bleach.
[20:10] Speaker 3: Blood was discovered on the handle and the metal end.
[20:15] Speaker 3: This evidence was transported to the lab and analyzed. It
[20:19] Speaker 3: was discovered that a mixture of Lease and Watson's blood
[20:23] Speaker 3: was on the handle, and Lisa's blood was on the medal.
[20:28] Speaker 3: The search then focused on Watson's car, where blood was
[20:31] Speaker 3: discovered on the driver's side muffler and passenger side door.
[20:36] Speaker 3: Inside the vehicle, more blood was found near the ignition
[20:39] Speaker 3: switch and center console. Over at the lab, it was
[20:43] Speaker 3: discovered that most of it was Lise's blood, but there
[20:46] Speaker 3: were also traces of Watson as well. Hey, tre crime fans,
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[22:59] Speaker 3: Watson was around tested and transported to the police station
[23:02] Speaker 3: to be interviewed. He sat in front of Sergeant Scott
[23:07] Speaker 3: Johnson with the hamburger fries and to drink from McDonald's.
[23:12] Speaker 3: The conversation started out routine, with the sergeant asking Watson
[23:16] Speaker 3: whether he had eaten that morning.
[23:18] Speaker 1: Did you have breakfast this morning? What time did you?
[23:23] Speaker 1: I'm gonna mate.
[23:25] Speaker 2: I'm not a big eat just kind of small meals
[23:28] Speaker 2: throughout today.
[23:29] Speaker 4: M well, I'm supposed to do got a diabetic, but
[23:33] Speaker 4: I don't do it. But I can be more than portion.
[23:36] Speaker 5: This is all all deal, okay, but you got heat.
[23:40] Speaker 2: If you're diabetic, you've got special dietary restrictions.
[23:46] Speaker 5: I had.
[23:48] Speaker 4: Some cereal and banana and an English mumping from my breakish.
[23:52] Speaker 5: Good.
[23:52] Speaker 6: Okay, well that's good and I think I like she yeah, okay,
[23:59] Speaker 6: and obviously coffee too, or you just everyone's.
[24:04] Speaker 4: While your breakfast and manchage and drink coffee after my chiplemen.
[24:09] Speaker 1: Oh okay, there you go.
[24:12] Speaker 3: Watson then started talking about the things that detectives had
[24:15] Speaker 3: taken from his home.
[24:17] Speaker 2: Anything you want, okay, If I can answer it, I will,
[24:20] Speaker 2: and if I can't, I'll explain to you why.
[24:23] Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, can we start with this?
[24:26] Speaker 4: Sure, it's fine understanding that the police are legally obliged
[24:31] Speaker 4: to give me a list of the stuff to.
[24:33] Speaker 5: Take from my home and from my car.
[24:37] Speaker 4: And I have asked several policemen for this list, and
[24:40] Speaker 4: none of them have got me a list.
[24:44] Speaker 2: So you want to know specifically what was taken from
[24:47] Speaker 2: want to.
[24:47] Speaker 4: Know exactly what they took from my home and what
[24:49] Speaker 4: they took from my car.
[24:51] Speaker 5: Okay, Well you don't even think maybe I'm wrong.
[24:53] Speaker 2: You don't even have your car back yet, do you.
[24:56] Speaker 5: No?
[24:56] Speaker 4: No, okay, so maybe you can expend to me head
[24:59] Speaker 4: take over a week to search a little car.
[25:04] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know what, and I when you're done
[25:07] Speaker 2: eating and all edge finished, I will definitely answer that
[25:10] Speaker 2: question for you.
[25:11] Speaker 1: No issue. I had no problem answering that way.
[25:13] Speaker 5: When the house and the car are being seld. Yeah,
[25:16] Speaker 5: when they searched for it. So they expired. No, they
[25:19] Speaker 5: hadn't any anyway. No, no, And I'm not going because
[25:23] Speaker 5: I really do.
[25:24] Speaker 1: But I can show you how how come they're not expired.
[25:27] Speaker 2: I don't mind explaining that to you, because that's a
[25:29] Speaker 2: logical question that people sometimes confuse.
[25:31] Speaker 5: It so important to me. I don't care how long
[25:33] Speaker 5: they stay they are.
[25:34] Speaker 3: No, he was apparently concerned not about Lisa's whereabouts, but
[25:38] Speaker 3: instead the state of his home after it was searched.
[25:43] Speaker 5: I was going to give you a friendly word of advice.
[25:47] Speaker 4: What's up if you're ever going to go to a
[25:50] Speaker 4: house to ask somebody if to speak to you so
[25:53] Speaker 4: you can ask them questions? Yeah, doing after they've been searched,
[26:00] Speaker 4: because that passion will be so pissed up they will
[26:03] Speaker 4: they will an talk to you no matter what.
[26:06] Speaker 2: Well you want to know some' Andy, I couldn't agree
[26:09] Speaker 2: with you more. That's why we're here now.
[26:10] Speaker 1: The peter rows out.
[26:11] Speaker 5: You should see the mess of mans.
[26:14] Speaker 1: Did they not live in?
[26:15] Speaker 4: The shape is stuck broken, stuck down me stop scattered
[26:19] Speaker 4: on all that place.
[26:20] Speaker 2: Okay, I I agree with you, Andy. I talk to
[26:24] Speaker 2: people all the time. And you know what, Yeah, Like
[26:26] Speaker 2: if I if I go to anybody and say here's
[26:28] Speaker 2: a search warrant, I'm gonna search a car, and I
[26:31] Speaker 2: do that, and then the next day I show up saying, hey,
[26:34] Speaker 2: would you like to come in and talk to me?
[26:35] Speaker 1: You're probably gonna annoyed with me. You're not gonna be
[26:38] Speaker 1: a happy.
[26:39] Speaker 5: Guy, depends the condition you're left my car, my hair.
[26:42] Speaker 2: Shi Well, you don't have your car back, but you
[26:45] Speaker 2: do have your house, and obviously you're saying your house
[26:47] Speaker 2: wasn't left in great shape.
[26:49] Speaker 3: Watson then spoke about his relationship and break up with Lise.
[26:53] Speaker 1: How long were you going to lease together?
[26:55] Speaker 4: Overall the fall of twenty eleven until the twentieth of April.
[27:06] Speaker 5: Twenty fourteen.
[27:08] Speaker 2: So from the fall of twenty eleven till April the twentieth,
[27:12] Speaker 2: you said, twenty fourteen, So three years.
[27:17] Speaker 4: The reason I'm so sure about the day we split
[27:20] Speaker 4: up with my birthday.
[27:22] Speaker 2: The twentieth of April, and that's the breakup day.
[27:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not fun.
[27:29] Speaker 4: You know when we broke up, No, because of them
[27:32] Speaker 4: was reading jeans.
[27:35] Speaker 1: You broke up because you were wearing jeans. You gotta
[27:39] Speaker 1: explain that one to me.
[27:40] Speaker 4: Well, I was to go to her place where we're
[27:42] Speaker 4: going to go for some for our family, right, And
[27:47] Speaker 4: when I went, I was laying e jeens and she
[27:52] Speaker 4: said she didn't want me to bear jeans. She wanted
[27:54] Speaker 4: me to bear pants in this can understand this because
[28:02] Speaker 4: she always wanted me to be dressed up like a
[28:05] Speaker 4: tailor's stummy, you know.
[28:06] Speaker 5: Order suit, the gresh shirt and the time he's just
[28:08] Speaker 5: like exactly like he.
[28:10] Speaker 1: Calling me a tailor's dummy.
[28:14] Speaker 4: But anyway, what got me boys that we went out
[28:19] Speaker 4: of the family. The family never woreing suits or ties
[28:23] Speaker 4: or shirts, and the US apparently all gore standard Peterborough dress,
[28:27] Speaker 4: which is T shirts and jeans.
[28:30] Speaker 5: So I had these cheans and then they were purpletly
[28:32] Speaker 5: nice jeans.
[28:33] Speaker 4: They were in the scruffy raggers and they're almost new,
[28:36] Speaker 4: perfect condition. And I had a brand new T shirt
[28:40] Speaker 4: and purpet condition, purply clean, and so I thought I
[28:45] Speaker 4: was presentable, and I thought it was just as well
[28:48] Speaker 4: as her son and our son in law and our grandkids.
[28:53] Speaker 4: And because they were all in change and T shirts,
[28:55] Speaker 4: so I didn't sing. It was a problem.
[28:58] Speaker 5: But secret real mad about that.
[29:01] Speaker 1: That's why you broke up.
[29:03] Speaker 3: He then spoke about their relationship before the break up.
[29:07] Speaker 4: Now we had no serious problems, right to have fairf
[29:15] Speaker 4: She was comfortably off and comfortably off. She owned her
[29:19] Speaker 4: own home on paper. I own my own home on paper.
[29:24] Speaker 4: She owned her card paper. I own my card paper.
[29:29] Speaker 4: No religious problems, she wasn't religious, I was religious. No
[29:34] Speaker 4: political problems she run a political person and not a
[29:37] Speaker 4: political person. No family problems because I have no family
[29:43] Speaker 4: at alls, so she didn't have to worry about me
[29:46] Speaker 4: pay an our money, or gil support or anything else
[29:49] Speaker 4: like that. I had absolutely no family problems, and her
[29:55] Speaker 4: family seemed to light me yet and I certainly got
[29:58] Speaker 4: on well with all her family.
[30:00] Speaker 5: You didn't have any problems at all in her family.
[30:04] Speaker 4: So with no family problems, so as far as I
[30:07] Speaker 4: was concerned, there was not a serious problem between us
[30:13] Speaker 4: at all.
[30:15] Speaker 3: Whats inclaimed that Lise had a temper.
[30:18] Speaker 4: That will give you an idea how when she got
[30:22] Speaker 4: into this temper, she seemed to lose.
[30:28] Speaker 5: It, you know what.
[30:31] Speaker 4: For example, too was me who would say to myself
[30:35] Speaker 4: that I want to throw this can and milk at her,
[30:38] Speaker 4: and the milk all over the bloody place that I'm
[30:41] Speaker 4: going to have to clean up. I don't think so
[30:45] Speaker 4: she didn't think like that. She would just let lie.
[30:49] Speaker 4: She didn't give her ship and what have it, because
[30:51] Speaker 4: it was like she was out of it, you know what.
[30:55] Speaker 1: And then would she come back into it like would she?
[30:58] Speaker 5: I always did that. I took go okay, but you know.
[31:04] Speaker 4: It's it's it's the simplest things. If I put a
[31:07] Speaker 4: play in the dishwasher of her own now, I have
[31:10] Speaker 4: never in my life had a dishwasher. I don't know
[31:14] Speaker 4: dishwashers from a hole in the ground. I know nothing
[31:19] Speaker 4: about dis horsers. If I put a plane the disorse
[31:23] Speaker 4: the wrong way, oh my god, I think I didn't
[31:26] Speaker 4: murder or something. It's just and it's because we didn't
[31:32] Speaker 4: have us as a serious problem at all, right, that
[31:36] Speaker 4: she had to pick on these really stupid things that she.
[31:39] Speaker 5: Wanted to have a thing.
[31:41] Speaker 1: Why do you think she wanted to have a fight
[31:43] Speaker 1: with her?
[31:43] Speaker 4: Don't it seemed to be some sort of compulsion. Okay,
[31:48] Speaker 4: everything could be going along, just beautiful.
[31:51] Speaker 5: She's happy. I'm happy, but madly in love to that.
[31:56] Speaker 5: But three or four weeks and then after I've finished.
[32:01] Speaker 4: We're back in love because she's happy and I'm happy.
[32:09] Speaker 2: And whenever the fights would happen and you would leave,
[32:12] Speaker 2: who would make up?
[32:15] Speaker 1: That was a problem, was it?
[32:17] Speaker 3: He said that he had done everything to make her happy.
[32:20] Speaker 4: I did everything I could to make her happy. I
[32:24] Speaker 4: colored her hair, I cleaned their shoes, I pressed their pants,
[32:31] Speaker 4: I sewed and darned for her.
[32:34] Speaker 5: I grew a mustache for.
[32:37] Speaker 4: Bags will make a mustache, But I grew mustache for her.
[32:42] Speaker 5: I did the yard work for her. I did the house.
[32:46] Speaker 4: It's down my hands and knees, scrubbing a kitchen floor,
[32:50] Speaker 4: the battle floor, cleaning the toilet, cleaning the tubs, arounds.
[33:00] Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you the number of things I did
[33:03] Speaker 4: to try and make her happy, right, Anything she asked
[33:09] Speaker 4: me to do, I did.
[33:10] Speaker 3: Watson was then asked about Lisa's new boyfriend Ben.
[33:14] Speaker 5: Did you know she had an ament?
[33:16] Speaker 1: Do you know who this Ben guy is?
[33:19] Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, well, these guys she went with, the guys
[33:23] Speaker 4: that they come.
[33:24] Speaker 2: Okay, right, that's got to be hard, Like were you
[33:30] Speaker 2: still going to the club after them for the socials
[33:32] Speaker 2: on your own?
[33:33] Speaker 4: Oh?
[33:33] Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah?
[33:35] Speaker 1: Was that hard seeing her there with other people?
[33:39] Speaker 5: Well, and we had split up completely?
[33:43] Speaker 4: Yeah, at first one we sup we're still saw you say,
[33:48] Speaker 4: you know she would come to my place. I would
[33:50] Speaker 4: go to her place, amble friends and we were in
[33:55] Speaker 4: tens together, and I said today night. Uh, but it
[34:02] Speaker 4: seemed to me. I don't know why. Maybe maybe the
[34:11] Speaker 4: boyfriend didn't know when ort to be friends with me.
[34:14] Speaker 5: I don't know.
[34:15] Speaker 3: Okay, the detective asked Watson when the last time he
[34:20] Speaker 3: saw these was.
[34:21] Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a shoe shoe.
[34:22] Speaker 4: The last day I saw the said, the last day
[34:26] Speaker 4: I saw these was last Saturday.
[34:30] Speaker 1: Okay, you sure.
[34:33] Speaker 5: Sure, I'm sure.
[34:37] Speaker 4: But as I said, we did not speak to each other,
[34:41] Speaker 4: or dangel each or even look at each other.
[34:43] Speaker 5: Because have you spoken to Eve Mike.
[34:47] Speaker 1: I haven't.
[34:49] Speaker 5: Oh, he's the policeman.
[34:50] Speaker 4: He came to see me a couple of times, and
[34:53] Speaker 4: the second time he came, he made it absolutely clear
[34:57] Speaker 4: I had nothing was her doing. So I took his
[35:03] Speaker 4: words to her and I never even looked at them.
[35:08] Speaker 1: Never looked at what.
[35:11] Speaker 2: Oh sorry, because he's the one that came and spoke
[35:13] Speaker 2: to you and said, after the letters, is that what
[35:16] Speaker 2: you're talking about?
[35:18] Speaker 1: Is that what you're referring to?
[35:19] Speaker 5: Yeah, he might help you to speak here.
[35:26] Speaker 4: Well.
[35:27] Speaker 3: The conversation then turned to Lisa's disappearance.
[35:30] Speaker 1: He has a lot of stuff weird.
[35:32] Speaker 2: But and there's some things I want to share with
[35:33] Speaker 2: you here today that we're doing so you understand what's
[35:35] Speaker 2: going on.
[35:36] Speaker 1: Because we have.
[35:39] Speaker 2: We do things very different, okay, and we have access
[35:41] Speaker 2: to a lot of things that we're now going to
[35:43] Speaker 2: utilize because this is make no mistake, this is, in
[35:47] Speaker 2: our opinion, a death investigation a homicide.
[35:50] Speaker 1: Okay, we believe she's dead.
[35:52] Speaker 2: Okay, people don't just drop off the face of the
[35:55] Speaker 2: earth and cease to exist. There's been no activity on
[35:59] Speaker 2: her bank accounts, nobody's heard from her, nobody's seen her.
[36:03] Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of other things we'll talk about,
[36:06] Speaker 2: but that's just not normal.
[36:08] Speaker 1: And you know that, right, And so we.
[36:11] Speaker 2: Have other things that I'll discuss with you that logically
[36:13] Speaker 2: when we look at it, Yeah, she's dead and I
[36:16] Speaker 2: know that, so you know, and we believe that somebody's responsible.
[36:24] Speaker 5: To me, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you have the chance.
[36:28] Speaker 3: Detective Johnson asked him, for the sake of Lisa's loved ones,
[36:31] Speaker 3: to tell them where her body was.
[36:34] Speaker 1: And the thing is, we still don't have her body.
[36:38] Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you there's no dignission and more than
[36:40] Speaker 5: that mission.
[36:41] Speaker 1: I believe you. I believe you, right, And that's tough.
[36:45] Speaker 1: I mean, you were with her for years. Yeah, you
[36:48] Speaker 1: knew her intimately.
[36:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll never get that chance to talk to her,
[36:53] Speaker 2: to have a conversation with her, to hear her accent.
[36:55] Speaker 1: I'll never ever have.
[36:56] Speaker 2: That opportunity you did, yeah, right, And I believe you
[37:00] Speaker 2: when you say that you misserd early I do.
[37:02] Speaker 1: I sit here and look at you. I'm going to say,
[37:05] Speaker 1: you're still in love with her.
[37:07] Speaker 5: Yeah, But the.
[37:10] Speaker 4: Problem with me is being completely alone. I think that
[37:18] Speaker 4: tends to make me different from other people in what way.
[37:23] Speaker 5: Inas much as.
[37:27] Speaker 4: Other people have their family and their friends, their relations
[37:32] Speaker 4: and the social activities they do, they have lots of
[37:36] Speaker 4: things going on in their life. Yea, my life is
[37:40] Speaker 4: very very quiet. There's nothing going on my life. In fact,
[37:45] Speaker 4: I was just sent to a friend of stopped friend
[37:48] Speaker 4: sed up by yesterday to speak to me, and I
[37:52] Speaker 4: was just sent to My big problem is I spend
[37:55] Speaker 4: ninety five percent of my time in this house alone.
[38:00] Speaker 5: So on no matter what.
[38:01] Speaker 4: Crime would be committed in Peter but I could not
[38:04] Speaker 4: give a piece an alibi.
[38:06] Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yeah.
[38:08] Speaker 4: The only time I know in my house is if
[38:11] Speaker 4: I go for groceries because usually tastes just half an
[38:14] Speaker 4: hour tops, or if I go to the doctors, which
[38:17] Speaker 4: is only once every three months or something. The vast
[38:21] Speaker 4: majority of my time is spent in the house alone.
[38:27] Speaker 5: It's not so badness somewhere because I'm always working in
[38:30] Speaker 5: my yard in the summer.
[38:32] Speaker 3: Watson was informed about the blood found in and on
[38:35] Speaker 3: his vehicle and on the shovel in the basement.
[38:39] Speaker 4: But in my house, right, well, there'll be blood all
[38:42] Speaker 4: over my house, right because I'm always.
[38:44] Speaker 1: Biddy, right, but it'll be my blood.
[38:49] Speaker 5: It's sure as hell is not easy's blood in my house.
[38:52] Speaker 1: But it's on your car.
[38:55] Speaker 5: Well, I don't know about that.
[38:57] Speaker 2: That's science is right there in your car, Okay, And
[39:02] Speaker 2: you know what even down.
[39:04] Speaker 1: To, it's on your exhauce. Hell, Okay, here's the thing.
[39:12] Speaker 2: We're at this point where you know exactly what happened
[39:17] Speaker 2: to you. Now, the way I have to look at
[39:19] Speaker 2: it is, and I do look at it like this.
[39:22] Speaker 2: Do I think for one moment that you planned all this?
[39:26] Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Do I think for one moment that you
[39:30] Speaker 2: woke up one day and said that I'm going to
[39:33] Speaker 2: harm her and take her life. No, I don't think
[39:36] Speaker 2: that at all. Okay, But the fact is it did happen.
[39:40] Speaker 2: I know you did. So help us bring her back.
[39:45] Speaker 3: After Watson told detectives he was home alone the night
[39:47] Speaker 3: that Leaves vanished, he was confronted with the comments from
[39:51] Speaker 3: his neighbor. He said that he was away from the
[39:54] Speaker 3: home he responded, oh yeah, okay. After the interrogation, Watson
[40:04] Speaker 3: was charged with first degree murder and criminal harassment. He
[40:08] Speaker 3: appeared in court dressed in a dark rey jacket, gray sweatpants,
[40:13] Speaker 3: a patterned sweater, and dark blue sneakers. He stood in
[40:18] Speaker 3: stark contrast to the brutal crime he was charged with.
[40:22] Speaker 3: He was mostly bald with white hair, and spoke in
[40:25] Speaker 3: a frail voice. He confirmed his name and the court
[40:29] Speaker 3: hearing was adjourned. The missing person investigation had morphed into
[40:34] Speaker 3: a murder investigation, and Watson's neighbors were surprised. However, some
[40:41] Speaker 3: said that they had noticed a change in his behavior
[40:43] Speaker 3: in the past month. Some said that he left his
[40:47] Speaker 3: home in his vehicle several times a day, only to
[40:50] Speaker 3: return a couple of minutes later. According to detectives, they
[40:55] Speaker 3: believed that Watson had led him wait for Lease to
[40:57] Speaker 3: come home from work that night. He then attacked her
[41:01] Speaker 3: in the driveway, killed her, and took her body to
[41:04] Speaker 3: an onlou location. Watson's car had been seized, and mud
[41:09] Speaker 3: and grass had been found on his tires and the
[41:11] Speaker 3: body of his car. Detectives said they believed that Watson
[41:15] Speaker 3: had taken Lise's body to a place where the ground
[41:18] Speaker 3: was soft and the grass was long and yellowed. They
[41:22] Speaker 3: asked that if anybody had any property that matched this
[41:25] Speaker 3: description to take notice of any tire impressions and disturbed earth.
[41:31] Speaker 3: The search for Lease continued, but now they were searching
[41:35] Speaker 3: for a body. The community came together to partake in
[41:39] Speaker 3: the volunteer search that was led by Lise's son and daughter,
[41:43] Speaker 3: Steffan and Nathlie. Steffan rallied the community, announcing I want
[41:50] Speaker 3: to find my mum. We need to find her before winter.
[41:53] Speaker 3: We wanted to get the community together to help and
[41:56] Speaker 3: their response has been amazing. I've talked to so many
[41:59] Speaker 3: carering people. The search for Release's body was widespread, including
[42:05] Speaker 3: along Water Street to Giant Tiger, Trent University, Stuart Hall,
[42:10] Speaker 3: along Highway seven towards Peterborough Airport. The volunteers were asked
[42:16] Speaker 3: to be vigilant, keeping an eye out not only for
[42:18] Speaker 3: a body, but for things that seemed out of place.
[42:23] Speaker 3: Stefan commented, we only had a few hours of daylight
[42:26] Speaker 3: and we wanted to go for as long as possible.
[42:30] Speaker 3: I asked them if they saw anything suspicious in any way,
[42:33] Speaker 3: not to touch it and call police right away. We
[42:36] Speaker 3: need as much help as possible. The police have been
[42:39] Speaker 3: working hard and I can't thank the community enough for
[42:41] Speaker 3: their support. In addition to the search, the community came
[42:45] Speaker 3: together in other ways to offer their support. A benefit
[42:50] Speaker 3: dinner was held at the Carousel Restaurant to support her children.
[42:55] Speaker 3: Natalie had worked at the restaurant for the past eighteen years,
[42:58] Speaker 3: and the funds raised would help cover the cost involved
[43:01] Speaker 3: in Lisa's affairs, including her mortgage and car payments, until
[43:05] Speaker 3: her body was found. They raised five thousand dollars. The
[43:11] Speaker 3: searches pressed on for the next couple of weeks, including
[43:15] Speaker 3: searches by the Ontario Volunteer Emergency Response Team, but by
[43:20] Speaker 3: the middle of December, the volunteers took a step back
[43:23] Speaker 3: and left the searches in the hands of detectives. In
[43:26] Speaker 3: the family life pressed on for Lisa's loved ones, but
[43:31] Speaker 3: her children continued to search for her body any chance
[43:34] Speaker 3: that they got. Stefan commented, while I'm out searching in
[43:39] Speaker 3: the country, I often meet people that took the initiative
[43:42] Speaker 3: to conduct their own searches. It's really encouraging and heartwarming
[43:47] Speaker 3: to mate and shake hands with such caring and concerned people,
[43:50] Speaker 3: and I wish to express my gratitude to each and everyone.
[43:55] Speaker 3: Christmas was just around the corner, and as families were gathering,
[43:58] Speaker 3: Lisa's family were being forced to adapt to the new normal.
[44:04] Speaker 3: Detective staff Sergeant Bueller touched on this, starting, I hope
[44:09] Speaker 3: that the public doesn't forget about lice as time goes on.
[44:12] Speaker 3: We all have our own family events coming up, and
[44:15] Speaker 3: it's a time of year when everyone is focusing on
[44:18] Speaker 3: their family. There's a family out there that's missing their mom.
[44:23] Speaker 3: Stephan said in the media that they were grateful for
[44:25] Speaker 3: everybody's help and that they just wanted to get her
[44:28] Speaker 3: body back to give her the love, respect, and dignity
[44:31] Speaker 3: that she deserved. He said that his mother had very
[44:35] Speaker 3: little and had worked very hard throughout her life and
[44:38] Speaker 3: had made many sacrifices for the family. He emotionally stated
[44:44] Speaker 3: she loved her job, her friends, and she was always
[44:47] Speaker 3: willing to help in any way. She was full of energy, hopes,
[44:51] Speaker 3: and dreams. She never asked for much, and all she
[44:55] Speaker 3: really wanted was to be happy, just like any one
[44:58] Speaker 3: of us. Andrew Watson returned to court on the tenth
[45:09] Speaker 3: of February and said that he didn't have a defense attorney.
[45:13] Speaker 3: He had been represented by defense attorney Catherine Wells, but
[45:17] Speaker 3: he had never paid the retainer. He said to the judge,
[45:22] Speaker 3: are you listening? I do not have a lawyer. Period.
[45:26] Speaker 3: End of story. Two weeks later he had another appearance.
[45:31] Speaker 3: He stood in the prisoner's box and turned to a
[45:33] Speaker 3: court officer. He held his arms out in front of
[45:37] Speaker 3: him and, referring to his handcuffs, he said, can you
[45:41] Speaker 3: take these off? Just as if the piece. Carl Jung
[45:45] Speaker 3: asked Watson how he would like to be represented. He responded,
[45:51] Speaker 3: I'll tell you exactly what happened. Young then asked Watson
[45:56] Speaker 3: to answer the question. His response was, are you telling me?
[46:01] Speaker 3: I can't speak. Watson then told the court that he
[46:05] Speaker 3: was going to defend himself. The following month, he appeared
[46:09] Speaker 3: in court again and asked to be released from custody.
[46:13] Speaker 3: The judge informed him that they didn't have the part
[46:15] Speaker 3: to just release him, and that a bail hearing would
[46:18] Speaker 3: need to be set. He replied, I don't know the law.
[46:24] Speaker 3: It was ironic considering he was serving as his own
[46:26] Speaker 3: defense attorney. He also said that he wanted to skip
[46:30] Speaker 3: his preliminary hearing and head straight to trial. It had
[46:34] Speaker 3: become abundantly clear that Watson wasn't really capable of being
[46:38] Speaker 3: his own defense attorney. In April, he complained that he
[46:42] Speaker 3: couldn't review digital files because he didn't know how to
[46:45] Speaker 3: use a computer. He said, I'm completely computer illiterate, utterly
[46:51] Speaker 3: illiterate as far as computers are concerned. He also claimed
[46:56] Speaker 3: that the Central East Correctional Center had been denying him
[46:59] Speaker 3: access to the files. Crown Attorney shown a Pickens had
[47:04] Speaker 3: been told by the jail that he had been given
[47:06] Speaker 3: nine days to review the material. Judge Rosenberg asked if
[47:11] Speaker 3: this was true, and Watson replied, I don't understand why
[47:16] Speaker 3: you even bother speaking to me. You don't believe a
[47:19] Speaker 3: word I say and believe everything this lady has to say.
[47:22] Speaker 3: In reference to the Crown attorney, the judge suggested that
[47:26] Speaker 3: the court appoint a lawyer simply to assist with the
[47:29] Speaker 3: court proceedings. Watson agreed, and Ray Gemmill was assigned to
[47:34] Speaker 3: the case. Andrew Watson then applied for a bill hearing
[47:39] Speaker 3: so that he could be released from prison. He returned
[47:43] Speaker 3: to court on the thirtieth of July and Attorney Pickens
[47:46] Speaker 3: brought Justice Michelle first up to speed on the case.
[47:50] Speaker 3: Watson stood in the prisoner's dock and announced, this wonderful
[47:55] Speaker 3: court system has completely taxed my patience. The judge stopped
[48:00] Speaker 3: and asked him if he wanted a baill hearing or not.
[48:03] Speaker 3: Watson didn't respond, but he removed his assisted listening device
[48:07] Speaker 3: and sat down. The baal hearing was then scheduled for
[48:11] Speaker 3: the thirteenth of August and Justice Chris Corky denied bail.
[48:17] Speaker 3: After the court hearing, Watson stopped wearing his assisted listening
[48:21] Speaker 3: device during any other court appearances. I've decided I'm not
[48:27] Speaker 3: going to participate in this charade any longer. I've had
[48:30] Speaker 3: it up to here. He said that in all of
[48:33] Speaker 3: his court appearances he didn't think he had achieved nothing,
[48:37] Speaker 3: and that he was only called to court to annoy him.
[48:41] Speaker 3: The following month, he complained in court once more that
[48:43] Speaker 3: he had difficulty accessing the Crown's files. Attorney Pickins responded
[48:49] Speaker 3: and said that this wasn't the case and referenced emails
[48:53] Speaker 3: and phone calls from the jail. This annoyed Watson, who remarked,
[48:59] Speaker 3: I have Diddley squad and it makes me very angry.
[49:02] Speaker 3: To hear the way she talks. Justice Robert Benninger responded
[49:08] Speaker 3: and said that his statements regarding the Crown were close
[49:11] Speaker 3: to the line as being disrespectful. He ordered that Watson
[49:15] Speaker 3: treat the court with courtesy and civility going forward, but
[49:20] Speaker 3: the trouble with Watson only continued in another court hearing,
[49:24] Speaker 3: where he was told that the preliminary hearing was going ahead.
[49:28] Speaker 3: He said he wasn't going to speak in court any
[49:30] Speaker 3: further and said he didn't want to attend future court dates.
[49:35] Speaker 3: It's futile, it's a complete waste of my time, he said.
[49:40] Speaker 3: He had another court appearance scheduled for the twenty seventh
[49:42] Speaker 3: of October, but he refused to leave his jail cell.
[49:47] Speaker 3: He was informed that force, including the use of pepper spray,
[49:51] Speaker 3: could be used to make him comply. He finally arrived
[49:55] Speaker 3: at the court three hours later, but when he was
[49:57] Speaker 3: escorted into the prisoner's box, he led on on the
[50:00] Speaker 3: floor once more, he refused to wear his assisted listening device.
[50:06] Speaker 3: The judge ultimately determined that there was enough evidence against
[50:09] Speaker 3: Watson and he was ordered to stand trial for Lise's murder.
[50:14] Speaker 3: He then set a trial date for March of twenty
[50:17] Speaker 3: and seventeen. All throughout the dramatic court appearances, the search
[50:28] Speaker 3: for Lease had continued. Detectives had followed up on almost
[50:32] Speaker 3: two hundred tips, with Police Constable Eric Easterbrooks dating this
[50:37] Speaker 3: is the biggest search I've ever been involved with. Lisa's
[50:41] Speaker 3: family were determined to bring her home. In November of
[50:45] Speaker 3: twenty and sixteen, Stefan commented, it's pretty hard when you
[50:50] Speaker 3: don't have anything to go by. Whenever someone is feeling something,
[50:54] Speaker 3: we have to make sure we go and double check.
[50:59] Speaker 3: It had now been too young since their mother was killed,
[51:02] Speaker 3: and Stefan said that it never got easier. Detective Constable
[51:07] Speaker 3: Mike's Self said that the case wouldn't be considered closed
[51:10] Speaker 3: until they had found lease. He said, one of our
[51:14] Speaker 3: goals is to bring closure to the family and find lease.
[51:19] Speaker 3: The family and detectives alike continued to search the entirety
[51:22] Speaker 3: of Petersburg for Lese's body. They trudged through vast rural
[51:28] Speaker 3: areas without direction, hoping to stumble upon a clue that
[51:31] Speaker 3: could lead them to Lease. It was clear to everybody
[51:36] Speaker 3: that Watson was never going to reveal what he had
[51:38] Speaker 3: done to Lease or where he had disposed of her body.
[51:42] Speaker 3: That was if he was indeed guilty, and the detectives
[51:45] Speaker 3: and Lise's family certainly believed that he was. The next
[51:52] Speaker 3: month that was announced that Watson had finally hired a
[51:54] Speaker 3: defense attorney. After representing himself for the past two years,
[52:00] Speaker 3: he was now being represented by Stefan Dimitrevik of the
[52:04] Speaker 3: Toronto based firm Edward H. Royal and Associates. A jury
[52:09] Speaker 3: consisting of six women and six men was selected and
[52:13] Speaker 3: seated by the twentieth of March two thousand and seventeen.
[52:18] Speaker 3: Andrew Watson was then escorted into the court room and
[52:21] Speaker 3: he quietly sat down alongside his new defense attorney. Prosecutor
[52:26] Speaker 3: Andrew Midwood took his place at the podium at the
[52:29] Speaker 3: front of Peter Burrugh Superior Court for his opening statements.
[52:34] Speaker 3: It was their theory that Watson waited for Lese to
[52:37] Speaker 3: arrive home after her shift at Walmart. He then attacked
[52:42] Speaker 3: her on her driveway, killed her, and disposed of her body.
[52:46] Speaker 3: He said to the jury, the whereabouts of Lise's body
[52:50] Speaker 3: is only known to him. He referred to Watson as
[52:54] Speaker 3: a jilted, controlling ex boyfriend and said that he had
[52:58] Speaker 3: stalked Lise after their break up in Aba of twenty
[53:00] Speaker 3: and fourteen. Watson had often watched Lise from the cemetery
[53:05] Speaker 3: across the road from her home, and he left letters
[53:08] Speaker 3: in her mailbox. Prosecutor Midwood said that he killed her
[53:13] Speaker 3: in one final act of harassment. He also mentioned all
[53:17] Speaker 3: of the DNA evidence in the case. He highlighted how
[53:21] Speaker 3: a mixture of Lisa and Watson's blood was discovered on
[53:24] Speaker 3: the driveway of her home, as well as in Watson's
[53:27] Speaker 3: car and on the shovel discovered in the basement. The
[53:31] Speaker 3: prosecution then called their first witness, Lisa's daughter, Nathalie. She
[53:37] Speaker 3: took the jury through her mother's relationship with Watson, detailing
[53:41] Speaker 3: how after it ended, he wouldn't accept that it was over.
[53:46] Speaker 3: She detailed how he would wait in the cemetery parking
[53:48] Speaker 3: lot just watching her mother. She testified, Mom told me
[53:55] Speaker 3: she could see him from her place. Her kitchen window
[53:59] Speaker 3: faced the parking lit More testimony about Watson's disturbing actions
[54:04] Speaker 3: was presented by her psychotherapist and her boyfriend Ben. He
[54:09] Speaker 3: recalled he was always trying to get her back with him.
[54:13] Speaker 3: Catherine Lockwood, a friend of Lise told the jury that
[54:16] Speaker 3: Lise was afraid of Watson in the time leading up
[54:19] Speaker 3: to her murder. She stated she was angry, she was upset,
[54:25] Speaker 3: and she was afraid of what was happening. Catherine and
[54:29] Speaker 3: Lisee had worked together the night before she vanished. That evening,
[54:33] Speaker 3: Lisa told Catherine that she planned on reporting Watson to
[54:36] Speaker 3: police again. She was emotional as she said he wasn't stopping.
[54:43] Speaker 3: Testimony was also presented by Lisa's son, Stefan. He informed
[54:48] Speaker 3: the jury that his mother and Ben were very careful
[54:50] Speaker 3: to keep their relationship between themselves. He testified there was
[54:56] Speaker 3: no way unless you were the pizza guy or him
[54:58] Speaker 3: stalking her. He recalled about how a month before his
[55:03] Speaker 3: mother vanished, he had confronted Watson when he showed up
[55:06] Speaker 3: to her home unannounced. He recollected that he had said,
[55:11] Speaker 3: can you not see that you're scaring her? Another friend,
[55:15] Speaker 3: Brian Mahaffey, testified that at first, Lise couldn't figure out
[55:19] Speaker 3: how Watson was able to show up at her door
[55:21] Speaker 3: immediately after a guest had left. She asked him, Brian said,
[55:27] Speaker 3: before adding he told her he was watching her. After
[55:32] Speaker 3: Lise's loved ones testified. The prosecution called on police Detective
[55:36] Speaker 3: Constable Ian Maxwell. He read aloud the letter that Lise
[55:40] Speaker 3: had found before she reported Watson in September, and spoke
[55:44] Speaker 3: about her concerns that he was watching her and repeatedly
[55:47] Speaker 3: driving past her house. Detective Constable Maxwell informed the court
[55:53] Speaker 3: that he had cautioned Watson twice to stay away from Lise.
[55:57] Speaker 3: He was cross examined by defense attorney Demittrez and asked
[56:01] Speaker 3: whether Lise ever said that she was scared. He responded,
[56:07] Speaker 3: I recall she said she wasn't scared. The defense attorney
[56:11] Speaker 3: said that Lise couldn't be certain that it was Watson
[56:14] Speaker 3: driving by and watching her house because it was dark.
[56:18] Speaker 3: Maxwell replied, she couldn't one hundred percent say. The testimony
[56:24] Speaker 3: then shifted to the forensic evidence, with the detective Constable
[56:27] Speaker 3: Jake Frissen detailing the blood found on Lise's driveway. He
[56:33] Speaker 3: said that the largest pull of blood was behind the
[56:35] Speaker 3: car and there was hair intermingled with it. However, this
[56:41] Speaker 3: hair was never sent to the Center of Forensic Science
[56:44] Speaker 3: because it was apparently very difficult to analyze. He said
[56:49] Speaker 3: that for the same reason, a Shue impression found in
[56:51] Speaker 3: the garden was photographed, but not relied upon his evidence
[56:55] Speaker 3: because it had a very common treade pattern. He heard
[57:00] Speaker 3: about the combination of Lese and Watson's blood found together
[57:03] Speaker 3: on the driveway and in his vehicle, as well as
[57:06] Speaker 3: the shovel. According to the prosecution, this shovel had been
[57:11] Speaker 3: used to bury Lise's body. Camilla Coot had a center
[57:15] Speaker 3: of forensic science blood analysts testified about the blood in
[57:19] Speaker 3: the vehicle and shovel. She said to the courtroom that
[57:22] Speaker 3: it was a one and quadrillion chance that the blood
[57:25] Speaker 3: belonged to somebody other than Lease. The detectives had also
[57:30] Speaker 3: found four large blue torps, a yellow nylon rope, and
[57:34] Speaker 3: a pair of muddy boots and Watson's garage along with
[57:37] Speaker 3: the shovel. Gurat testified that only two of the four
[57:41] Speaker 3: torps had blood on them, but there was insufficient DNA
[57:44] Speaker 3: to create a profile. Watson's DNA profile matched the blood
[57:49] Speaker 3: that was found on the rope and the left boot.
[57:52] Speaker 3: The prosecution then concluded their case, paving the way for
[57:56] Speaker 3: defense attorneys. Stephan Deymatrevik. During his opening statements, he said
[58:01] Speaker 3: that Watson would be testifying on his own behalf. He
[58:05] Speaker 3: said I anticipate he will testify that he had nothing
[58:09] Speaker 3: to do with what happened to miss For debt, he
[58:13] Speaker 3: asked the jury to keep an open mind, reminding them
[58:16] Speaker 3: that they had only heard one side of the evidence.
[58:19] Speaker 3: His first witness was Anne Cousman, who testified that she
[58:23] Speaker 3: spoke to Lisa Walmart for fifteen minutes the day before
[58:26] Speaker 3: she vanished. She said that the conversation included a mention
[58:30] Speaker 3: of Watson. She testified she told me they were not
[58:34] Speaker 3: going out together. According to Anne, Lease seemed fine and
[58:39] Speaker 3: she was okay with Watson as a friend. She was
[58:43] Speaker 3: cross examined by Prosecutor Midwood and admitted that she only
[58:46] Speaker 3: knew Lisa's face from the dances on a Saturday night.
[58:50] Speaker 3: It was actually the first time that the two of
[58:52] Speaker 3: them had ever talked, and the prosecutor asked her if
[58:55] Speaker 3: she knew personal details about Lisa's life. She responded nothing
[59:01] Speaker 3: at all. The next witness was Jordan Casey, an articulating
[59:06] Speaker 3: student a defense attorney Demoitrovik's firm. She said that she
[59:11] Speaker 3: measured and photographed the area around Lisa's home, and said
[59:14] Speaker 3: the distance between the cemetery and her home was one
[59:18] Speaker 3: hundred and sixty three feet. She was asked if she
[59:21] Speaker 3: could see the left and right side of the house
[59:24] Speaker 3: from the cemetery parking lot, and she said she couldn't.
[59:28] Speaker 3: Casey had also measured and photographed the distance between Watson's
[59:32] Speaker 3: home and the home of the neighbor who reported that
[59:34] Speaker 3: he left the home the night that lease vanished. The
[59:38] Speaker 3: distance was sixty two feet and ten inches. The courtroom
[59:42] Speaker 3: fell to a hushed silence as Andrew Watson rose from
[59:46] Speaker 3: his seat and took his place on the podium. He
[59:50] Speaker 3: was asked by Prosecutor Midwood, where is she? He bluntly responded,
[59:56] Speaker 3: where is who. Midwood explained that he was referring to
[1:00:00] Speaker 3: Lese and told Watson he would never reveal her whereabouts
[1:00:04] Speaker 3: because it's his last bit of control. Watson replied, let's
[1:00:09] Speaker 3: see some proof then I'll be impressed. According to Watson,
[1:00:14] Speaker 3: he never watched or stalked Lise, but admitted he wrote
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: her several letters. He claimed that Lisa and he still
[1:00:21] Speaker 3: talked and that he didn't need to spy on her
[1:00:24] Speaker 3: because she told him what was going on. However, during
[1:00:28] Speaker 3: Watson's interrogation, he'd claimed that he and Lise were not
[1:00:32] Speaker 3: speaking when asked about this, he responded, he was lying
[1:00:38] Speaker 3: to me constantly, so I thought why not give him
[1:00:40] Speaker 3: a taste of his own medicine. A lot of people
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: in this trial have lied, including prosecutors. The prosecutor then
[1:00:48] Speaker 3: presented a letter that Watson had written to Lise, in
[1:00:50] Speaker 3: which he said, since we split up, I've not spoken
[1:00:54] Speaker 3: one word to you. When Watson was asked how his
[1:00:57] Speaker 3: and Lise's blood ended up on her driveway, in his
[1:01:01] Speaker 3: vehicle and on the shovel, he responded, I could come
[1:01:04] Speaker 3: up with a lot of ways. He claimed that Lise
[1:01:08] Speaker 3: had told him to dig up bushes at her place,
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: and they both used the shovel. However, he then said
[1:01:13] Speaker 3: he recalled another time where they cut themselves on a
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: thorn bush. The prosecutor asked when this happened, and Watson
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: said he couldn't remember. He pressed for further information, asking
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: simply what year it was. Watson replied bluntly, don't ask
[1:01:32] Speaker 3: me again. He became agitated as he told the prosecutor
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: that if he could find a single witness who caught
[1:01:39] Speaker 3: him over his car at Lise's home the night she
[1:01:41] Speaker 3: was allegedly murdered, they could hang him. The prosecutor suggested
[1:01:46] Speaker 3: that Watson drove over to Lise's home, waited for her
[1:01:50] Speaker 3: return from work, and then killed her. He replied, if
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: I or anyone else was planning on killing Lise, they
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: wouldn't know what time to get to two five three
[1:02:01] Speaker 3: three Belford Road to kill her. The prosecutor pointed out
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: that he had indicated that he admitted earlier that he
[1:02:08] Speaker 3: knew Lease's schedule. He responded, of course I knew her
[1:02:13] Speaker 3: work schedule on this day. I know she was supposed
[1:02:16] Speaker 3: to finish work around eight o'clock, but that doesn't mean
[1:02:19] Speaker 3: she was going to come home. When it was suggested
[1:02:24] Speaker 3: he ambushed her in her driveway, Watson replied, in your dreams.
[1:02:30] Speaker 3: Once he stepped on it was time for closing arguments.
[1:02:34] Speaker 3: The defense attorney admitted that his client had lied, before adding,
[1:02:38] Speaker 3: it's dangerously wrong to assume mister Watson is lying because
[1:02:42] Speaker 3: he doesn't want to get convicted. He further admitted that
[1:02:45] Speaker 3: his client had lost his kill on the witness stand,
[1:02:49] Speaker 3: but said he shouldn't be judged by that. You should
[1:02:52] Speaker 3: not let mister Watson's demeanor in the trial overshadow the evidence.
[1:02:56] Speaker 3: He said in regards to the letters. He stated, when
[1:03:00] Speaker 3: you love someone, you worry about them, and he worried
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: about her a lot. He reminded the jury that there
[1:03:07] Speaker 3: wasn't a single witness who could place Watson at Least's
[1:03:10] Speaker 3: home the night she vanished. During Prosecutor Midwood's closing arguments,
[1:03:16] Speaker 3: he was blunt. He said, Lise for dead, is dead.
[1:03:23] Speaker 3: She didn't run off and leave her life behind. She
[1:03:26] Speaker 3: owned a house and a car. She loved her family
[1:03:29] Speaker 3: and job. She didn't run away from this. All of
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: this was taken from her. The prosecutor told the jury
[1:03:37] Speaker 3: how Watson had a controlling obsession and it culminated with
[1:03:40] Speaker 3: him killing Lise. He informed the jury that photographs of
[1:03:45] Speaker 3: Lise and Watson were found in his home months after
[1:03:48] Speaker 3: they broke up. He stated his cynical approach, no body,
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: no eye witness means you can't convict me. He's admitting
[1:03:57] Speaker 3: he did it. He's just saying you can't catch me.
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: The jury were then sent off to deliberate, and they
[1:04:04] Speaker 3: returned with a verdict. They found Andrew Watson guilty of
[1:04:09] Speaker 3: the murder of Lese for Debt. The first degree murder
[1:04:13] Speaker 3: conviction came with an automatic life sentence after handing down
[1:04:19] Speaker 3: the sentence, Justice Hugh O'Connell asked Watson if he was
[1:04:22] Speaker 3: going to reveal where Lise's body was. He said, lay
[1:04:28] Speaker 3: this very kind, compassionate woman to rest. Watson replied no, thanks.
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: Justice O'Connell then apologized to Lise's family that the man
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: their mother trusted not only betrayed her, but betrayed them
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: by not revealing what he did with her body. He said,
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: it seems to me, mister Watson is a completely utterly
[1:04:51] Speaker 3: empty vessel, concerned with only one thing himself. He said
[1:04:56] Speaker 3: that Watson was narcissistic and that when such an narcissism,
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: devoid of compassion and built on self centeredness, leads to murder,
[1:05:05] Speaker 3: it underscores that in our midst there are people regrettably
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: like mister Watson, whar the personification of evil. He then added,
[1:05:15] Speaker 3: mister Watson will have to live with that on this earth,
[1:05:18] Speaker 3: and if there's an afterlife, the only reason mister Watson
[1:05:22] Speaker 3: can describe himself as human is because he has a
[1:05:25] Speaker 3: beating heart and he has the choice, distinct from the
[1:05:29] Speaker 3: animal kingdom, to make rational choices. His characterization of Andrew
[1:05:34] Speaker 3: Watson was scathing, and after court that afternoon. Stephan said
[1:05:39] Speaker 3: he was grateful. He commented in the media that was
[1:05:44] Speaker 3: really touching for a judge to go out of his
[1:05:46] Speaker 3: way and take the time to prepare such a statement.
[1:05:50] Speaker 3: This was unbelievable. Stephan said that he hoped Watson would
[1:05:54] Speaker 3: one day reconsider and tell the family where lease was.
[1:05:59] Speaker 3: He said, if he ever loved my mom like he
[1:06:02] Speaker 3: said he did, that would be the very least thing
[1:06:05] Speaker 3: he could say for us to be able to recover her,
[1:06:07] Speaker 3: bring her home, give her some dignity, and hoping that
[1:06:11] Speaker 3: Andrew Watson will say that in his heart. At some
[1:06:14] Speaker 3: point after the trial, Lisa's children sued Andrew Watson for
[1:06:18] Speaker 3: more than one million dollars. Then, in two thousand and eighteen,
[1:06:23] Speaker 3: Lise was declared officially dead. Steph Anne and Nathalie needed
[1:06:27] Speaker 3: the declaration to be able to administer her state. Two
[1:06:32] Speaker 3: years later, in July of two thousand and twenty two,
[1:06:36] Speaker 3: eighty four year old Andrew Watson died of natural causes
[1:06:40] Speaker 3: while in Milhaven Institutions regional treatment. Sent there, he took
[1:06:44] Speaker 3: a secret to the grave with him, robbing Lisa's family
[1:06:48] Speaker 3: of closure. Stephane poignantly said, I knew he was on
[1:06:53] Speaker 3: his last mile. I know he suffered a great deal
[1:06:57] Speaker 3: and he's going to hell because he deserves it. All
[1:07:00] Speaker 3: your hopes just go down the drain. Now my hopes
[1:07:03] Speaker 3: of ever finding my mom just went down to zero. Well,
[1:07:26] Speaker 3: Bessie's that is it for this episode of Morbidology. As always,
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