# Alastair Campbell on Pauline, Trump and the shifting world order

An episode of [7am](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1461999702), 4 Oct 2026, 19 min.

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Last week, Britain’s new Prime Minister Andy Burnham stood in front of the Labour Party conference and promised to break politics as usual. In an emotional speech, he took aim at privatisation, austerity and Brexit, arguing that Britain’s departure from the European Union had done more harm than good. Alastair Campbell was in the room and he sees Burnham’s speech as part of a much bigger political moment, as populist parties gain ground, America redraws its alliances and China is asserting more power abroad. For countries like Britain and Australia, that means old assumptions about political leadership, alliances and global power are being tested all at once. Today, former Tony Blair adviser and the co-host of The Rest Is Politics, Alastair Campbell, on how centre-left leaders can respond to the rise of populism, and what a shifting global order means for countries like Australia. If you enjoy 7am, the best way you can support us is by making a contribution at 7ampodcast.com.au/support. Socials: Stay in touch with us on Instagram Guest: Co-host of The Rest is Politics Alastair Campbell Photo: Supplied See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hope..... comes from honesty. And we will have hope again.
[0:07] Speaker 1: But first, honesty. It comes from saying the things politicians
[0:15] Speaker 1: usually avoid.
[0:17] Speaker 2: Last week, Britain's new Prime Minister, Annie Burnham, stood in
[0:20] Speaker 2: front of the Labour Party conference and promised to break
[0:23] Speaker 2: politics as usual.
[0:24] Speaker 1: I am ready to do things my predecessors wouldn't. I
[0:29] Speaker 1: will make a break... with the direction of the past
[0:32] Speaker 1: 40 years and put Britain on a new path.
[0:36] Speaker 2: In an emotional speech, he took aim at privatisation, austerity
[0:40] Speaker 2: and Brexit, arguing that Britain's departure from the European Union
[0:45] Speaker 2: had done more harm than good.
[0:46] Speaker 1: And what has it given us? A country run for
[0:49] Speaker 1: vested interests, not in the public interest, with power held
[0:54] Speaker 1: in too few hands and too many places left to drift.
[0:59] Speaker 2: Alistair Campbell was in the room and he sees Burnham's
[1:02] Speaker 2: speech as part of a much bigger political moment. As
[1:05] Speaker 2: populist parties gain ground, America redraws its alliances and China
[1:10] Speaker 2: asserts more power abroad. For countries like Britain and Australia,
[1:14] Speaker 2: that means old assumptions about political leadership, alliances and global
[1:19] Speaker 2: power are being tested.
[1:21] Speaker 3: All at once.
[1:25] Speaker 2: I'm Daniel James and you're listening to 7am. Today, former
[1:31] Speaker 2: Tony Blair advisor and the co-host of The Rest Is Politics,
[1:34] Speaker 2: Alastair Campbell, on how centre-left leaders can respond to the
[1:38] Speaker 2: rise of populism and what a shifting global order means
[1:41] Speaker 2: for countries like Australia. It's Monday, October 5. Alastair, thanks
[1:56] Speaker 2: for joining us. In the last few days, we've seen...
[1:59] Speaker 2: A pretty bold speech from UK Prime Minister Andy Burnham.
[2:03] Speaker 2: You were actually in the room. He was emotional. He
[2:05] Speaker 2: took risks. He was daring. Our own Prime Minister Anthony
[2:09] Speaker 2: Albanese has often been criticised for his lack of boldness
[2:12] Speaker 2: at times. Do you think he and other centre-left leaders
[2:15] Speaker 2: could learn from the Burnham approach?
[2:18] Speaker 4: Well, a lot depends on what now happens, but I
[2:20] Speaker 4: certainly can't overestimate the strength of the impression he made yesterday.
[2:27] Speaker 4: I've known Andy Byrne for 30 years, but I saw
[2:30] Speaker 4: something yesterday that said to me, politicians really can grow.
[2:34] Speaker 1: The politician in me wants to give the usual tub-thumping
[2:38] Speaker 1: conference speech today. But the patriot in me tells me
[2:45] Speaker 1: something very different is needed.
[2:48] Speaker 4: And I do think the country's crying out for bold,
[2:51] Speaker 4: strong leadership. I think the world is crying out for
[2:54] Speaker 4: it because we see so much of it as bad leadership.
[2:56] Speaker 4: I mean, Donald Trump is a bold leader, but he's
[2:59] Speaker 4: a bad leader. He's a bad human being. What I
[3:02] Speaker 4: think we saw with Andy Burnham was a genuine human being,
[3:05] Speaker 4: a real empathy and warmth and passion about what he believes.
[3:09] Speaker 4: And so, yeah, look, I like Al Bowen. I think
[3:14] Speaker 4: he gets a pretty hard rap a lot of the time.
[3:16] Speaker 4: But I certainly think politics should be about big things.
[3:19] Speaker 4: And what you saw with Andy Burnham's speech yesterday was
[3:21] Speaker 4: a lot of kind of big ideas coming Stuff that
[3:24] Speaker 4: he's believed all his life, but he's now in a
[3:25] Speaker 4: position where he can actually hopefully start to bring some
[3:29] Speaker 4: of this into being.
[3:30] Speaker 2: Was there a particular line in the speech that stuck
[3:32] Speaker 2: out to you?
[3:33] Speaker 3: I loved, because I'm a Brexit obsessive. You've mentioned it
[3:36] Speaker 3: once or twice. Yeah, I do.
[3:39] Speaker 4: But I like the way that he took their slogan,
[3:41] Speaker 4: take back control, and threw it back in their face.
[3:44] Speaker 4: You know, the right were the ones who lost control.
[3:46] Speaker 1: The British right talk about taking back control. Never let
[3:52] Speaker 1: them forget. They are the ones that gave it away
[3:56] Speaker 1: in the first place.
[3:59] Speaker 4: In a way, one of the most memorable moments of
[4:01] Speaker 4: the speech was when he was saying nothing. It was
[4:03] Speaker 4: where he was clearly struggling to hold his emotions together.
[4:07] Speaker 4: And you could see that's what was happening to him
[4:08] Speaker 4: when he was coming up to talk about his dad
[4:10] Speaker 4: who'd recently died.
[4:11] Speaker 3: Whatever its flaws.
[4:13] Speaker 1: This country gave my dad a good life. And it
[4:19] Speaker 1: has given his sons opportunities he didn't get for himself.
[4:25] Speaker 1: He recognised that and was grateful for it.
[4:28] Speaker 2: One of the interesting things that we picked up about
[4:31] Speaker 2: the speech was he didn't mention Nigel Farage by name
[4:35] Speaker 2: in the speech. Is that a good strategy when it
[4:37] Speaker 2: comes to dealing with these populist right figures? Because that's
[4:40] Speaker 2: something both our PM and our opposition leader are struggling
[4:43] Speaker 2: with at the moment, weighing up how hard to actually
[4:46] Speaker 2: go against a leader or a populist right leader like
[4:48] Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson.
[4:49] Speaker 4: I think Pauline Hanson's in a slightly different position to
[4:52] Speaker 4: Nigel Farage because Nigel Farage is slightly on the skids.
[4:55] Speaker 4: The feeling is there that he's slightly on the skids.
[4:58] Speaker 4: And therefore, I think it was quite clever because he
[5:01] Speaker 4: was basically saying, this is about us. It's not about them.
[5:04] Speaker 4: It's what we do. It's not about what we think
[5:05] Speaker 4: of them. And, you know, I like a good political fight.
[5:10] Speaker 4: And there's a part of me that thought I really
[5:12] Speaker 4: wanted to hear him, you know, really lay into.
[5:14] Speaker 3: The populist far right. But he didn't. And I thought
[5:16] Speaker 3: it was clever.
[5:17] Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson, I think, is, I get the sense, even
[5:20] Speaker 4: though she's been around for a very, very long time,
[5:22] Speaker 4: I get the feeling, you can correct me if I'm
[5:24] Speaker 4: wrong on this, but I get the feeling that she's
[5:26] Speaker 4: in that place where, where the populists tend to get to,
[5:30] Speaker 4: where they're getting the benefit of the doubt, they're getting
[5:33] Speaker 4: quite an easy ride. People are sort of saying, oh, well,
[5:36] Speaker 4: she's different, therefore we'll back her. I suspect she will
[5:40] Speaker 4: go the same way as Nigel Farage. The only question
[5:42] Speaker 4: is whether she goes the same way as Nigel Farage,
[5:45] Speaker 4: with power or without power.
[5:47] Speaker 3: And I hope it's the latter.
[5:49] Speaker 2: You mentioned that Farage seemed to be on the slide
[5:52] Speaker 2: in the UK. We know that Donald Trump's numbers are tanking.
[5:56] Speaker 2: Do you think the populist right has reached its peak
[5:58] Speaker 2: in a global sense yet?
[6:02] Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that because you look
[6:04] Speaker 4: at Germany where the AFD have had two pretty impressive
[6:09] Speaker 4: election wins in regional elections and they're still doing pretty
[6:12] Speaker 4: well in the national polls as well. You look at
[6:14] Speaker 4: France and you think, well, Marine Le Pen, she's been
[6:18] Speaker 4: through the same process and lots of these populist leaders
[6:20] Speaker 4: in sort of being convicted of criminal offences but still
[6:24] Speaker 4: standing and still going and still looking like it's entirely
[6:28] Speaker 4: possible she could become the next president of France, which
[6:31] Speaker 4: would be a huge change for France and for Europe.
[6:34] Speaker 4: So I don't think that those of us who are
[6:37] Speaker 4: on the kind of progressive side of politics should get
[6:39] Speaker 4: too remotely complacent.
[6:41] Speaker 3: And also the other thing.
[6:42] Speaker 4: Is we have a very curious media landscape right around
[6:45] Speaker 4: the world now.
[6:47] Speaker 3: I mean, I find it extraordinary.
[6:49] Speaker 4: And again, I don't know if this is happening in Australia,
[6:51] Speaker 4: but I'll tell you something that's happening in Britain and Europe.
[6:54] Speaker 4: we are being bombarded by anti-us propaganda, both from Russia
[7:00] Speaker 4: and from the United States. You know, Elon Musk is
[7:04] Speaker 4: openly supporting people who are even further to the right
[7:08] Speaker 4: of Pauline Hanson.
[7:09] Speaker 3: Okay, congratulations.
[7:11] Speaker 4: Congratulations, Tommy, on putting together an amazing event and really
[7:16] Speaker 4: rallying the people of Britain.
[7:18] Speaker 1: Elon, none of this could have happened without you giving
[7:21] Speaker 1: the British public access to the truth and giving us
[7:25] Speaker 1: free speech.
[7:26] Speaker 4: There's so much aggressive anti-UK, anti-London propaganda, which is weird.
[7:34] Speaker 5: I mean, if you go through London, London's a much
[7:37] Speaker 5: different place. You have a terrible mayor. He's a nasty guy,
[7:41] Speaker 5: nasty person. He's a very bad mayor. You have crime
[7:45] Speaker 5: that's very high. And London's a very much different place.
[7:49] Speaker 4: Than And this is, you know, if you think about
[7:51] Speaker 4: the Trump thing, what I find so weird about the
[7:53] Speaker 4: Trump administration, particularly the second term, is this constant pandering
[7:59] Speaker 4: to his traditional enemies and the constant nastiness about his
[8:03] Speaker 4: traditional allies, most dramatically Canada, but also us and France
[8:07] Speaker 4: and Germany.
[8:08] Speaker 3: And meanwhile, he's talking about how much he loves Kim Jong-un.
[8:11] Speaker 3: It's kind of weird.
[8:13] Speaker 2: Weird's a good word for it. We're seeing... In terms
[8:17] Speaker 2: of the global discontent amongst voting bases around the Western world,
[8:22] Speaker 2: the right have been able to harness that anger and
[8:24] Speaker 2: eject it into a political movement. We haven't seen the
[8:27] Speaker 2: same thing so much on the left. We've just had
[8:30] Speaker 2: a Greens party that's elected a new leader who is
[8:33] Speaker 2: looking to capitalise on the same discontent. Is there a
[8:36] Speaker 2: way to harness Mamdani-style politics elsewhere in the world?
[8:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, there is, for sure.
[8:42] Speaker 4: And, you know, I mentioned the German elections, and okay,
[8:46] Speaker 4: The AFD did very, very well in Sachsen-Anhalt and then
[8:52] Speaker 4: more recently in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. But the election in Berlin was
[8:56] Speaker 4: won by Die Linke, which is a very left-wing party,
[9:00] Speaker 4: where they did seem to kind of latch on to
[9:03] Speaker 4: a feeling of discontent about both about the mainstream parties,
[9:07] Speaker 4: but also about the far right. So, look, I think
[9:11] Speaker 4: what we're seeing in the modern age, and, you know,
[9:14] Speaker 4: you Back to Burnham, we saw this with him yesterday.
[9:17] Speaker 4: People are responding to what I call charisma with depth.
[9:22] Speaker 3: Mamdani's an amazing communicator.
[9:24] Speaker 4: He's a good-looking guy. He's got an interesting backstory and
[9:26] Speaker 4: all that. But he's also, he's smart. There's more, he's
[9:30] Speaker 4: not just, like Andy, the conservatives here, they're trying to
[9:33] Speaker 4: sort of project Andy Burnham as the TikTok prime minister.
[9:36] Speaker 3: He's much deeper than that.
[9:37] Speaker 4: So I think you need these smart leaders who can
[9:41] Speaker 4: mobilize people to feel that they're going somewhere with them.
[9:45] Speaker 4: And much as I despise Trump, you know, he has
[9:48] Speaker 4: shown that he has the ability to do that just
[9:50] Speaker 4: in a way that I think does massive damage to
[9:53] Speaker 4: the world. But look, for sure, people on the left
[9:56] Speaker 4: can do this. But it ultimately comes down to individuals
[9:58] Speaker 4: being to do it and to being elected. then being
[10:00] Speaker 4: able to inspire and build and tap into the feelings
[10:04] Speaker 4: of a movement but you've got to have that leadership.
[10:09] Speaker 2: Coming up how middle powers like australia are repositioning as
[10:13] Speaker 2: the global order shifts If we stick with Burden's speech,
[10:27] Speaker 2: he was very critical of Brexit, saying that it's done
[10:30] Speaker 2: more harm than good. He was even kind of leaving
[10:33] Speaker 2: the door open to reversing it. Do you think there's
[10:36] Speaker 2: a world in which that could happen, that Britain could
[10:38] Speaker 2: actually rejoin the EU?
[10:40] Speaker 4: There's definitely a world in which that could happen. The
[10:44] Speaker 4: road towards it is very, very complicated. I certainly think
[10:48] Speaker 4: it was interesting. What he did in the speech was
[10:50] Speaker 4: to sort of say, we're going to set out.
[10:53] Speaker 3: The options.
[10:55] Speaker 4: And he did an interview where he said, yeah, one
[10:57] Speaker 4: of those options could be that we try to rejoin.
[11:00] Speaker 4: Once you start to put that out there, then you
[11:03] Speaker 4: can create a sense of inevitability. There'll be massive opposition
[11:07] Speaker 4: from some. But it's been interesting today to watch. Look,
[11:10] Speaker 4: you think about our right wing newspapers and how crazed
[11:13] Speaker 4: they became about Brexit. And, you know, anybody who dared
[11:16] Speaker 4: to question it was an enemy of the people. They
[11:18] Speaker 4: were very, very timid in response today because they know
[11:22] Speaker 4: that their readers and their viewers, they think this has
[11:24] Speaker 4: been a complete dog's dinner.
[11:25] Speaker 2: If we talk about the European Union and what it
[11:28] Speaker 2: could look like and the movement of things at the moment,
[11:31] Speaker 2: how fast-paced everything is, recently there was talk that Canada
[11:35] Speaker 2: could become the first associate member of the EU and
[11:38] Speaker 2: that countries like Australia and New Zealand could follow suit.
[11:41] Speaker 2: What could strategic alliances like that mean for this shifting
[11:45] Speaker 2: world order that we're seeing as the Trump effect continues
[11:48] Speaker 2: to make waves across the planet?
[11:50] Speaker 4: Well, I think two of the most significant speeches of
[11:55] Speaker 4: modern times have been made by Mark Carney. One was
[11:58] Speaker 4: the speech that he made at Davos, where he basically
[12:01] Speaker 4: said that the change in America under Trump was not
[12:04] Speaker 4: a transition, it's a rupture.
[12:05] Speaker 6: Allies will diversify to hedge against uncertainties. They'll buy insurance,
[12:11] Speaker 6: increase options in order to rebuild sovereignty. Sovereignty that was
[12:16] Speaker 6: once grounded in rules, but will increasingly be anchored in
[12:20] Speaker 6: the ability to withstand pressure.
[12:23] Speaker 4: So people are looking to build these new alliances. And,
[12:27] Speaker 4: you know, we interviewed on the podcast, on our podcast recently,
[12:32] Speaker 4: Alexander Stubb, the president of Finland, very smart guy. And
[12:35] Speaker 4: he was saying that, you know, we need to think
[12:37] Speaker 4: really big about what Europe is.
[12:40] Speaker 3: Ukraine, Norway, Iceland, even Turkey, UK, definitely.
[12:45] Speaker 4: And he was saying that, you know, if we could
[12:47] Speaker 4: get those countries to be part of a different European Union,
[12:51] Speaker 4: then you are really in a position to start to
[12:54] Speaker 4: be the sort of, if you like, the third leg
[12:56] Speaker 4: on the three-legged stool. You've got the US, increasingly unreliable.
[13:01] Speaker 4: You've got China, increasingly assertive, but also still deeply authoritarian.
[13:08] Speaker 4: Europe's the only other body in the world that can
[13:10] Speaker 4: get close to being that third leg.
[13:12] Speaker 3: And if that meant that we're not.
[13:13] Speaker 4: Just talking about Europe, but we're talking about Europe as
[13:16] Speaker 4: an idea and an ideal, which countries even as far
[13:20] Speaker 4: away as yours could think, well, we have more in
[13:23] Speaker 4: common with that than we do with the other two legs,
[13:26] Speaker 4: that could become incredibly interesting.
[13:29] Speaker 2: Speaking of the world order, what did you make of
[13:33] Speaker 2: Donald Trump and Xi Jinping's recent meeting?
[13:35] Speaker 4: What were your.
[13:36] Speaker 2: observations. And who do you think now holds the power
[13:39] Speaker 2: in that relationship? The body language itself was fascinating.
[13:42] Speaker 4: I mean, neither you or I were in there in
[13:45] Speaker 4: the meetings where they were talking, where you'd probably got
[13:47] Speaker 4: a better feel from it. But you'd have to say
[13:50] Speaker 4: that Trump looked the weaker to me. And if you
[13:56] Speaker 4: actually look at the kind of outcomes, very, very hard
[13:59] Speaker 4: to see what they were, what the Americans felt that
[14:02] Speaker 4: they got out of that. The fact that, for example,
[14:06] Speaker 4: the Chinese readout of the meeting suggested that Trump was
[14:09] Speaker 4: sort of moving to their position on Taiwan. The American
[14:12] Speaker 4: readout didn't say that, but there's a certain sort of
[14:15] Speaker 4: mischievous confidence in the way that they did that. And
[14:19] Speaker 4: even a bit, there was that extraordinary moment where Trump
[14:24] Speaker 4: was showing Xi Jinping the ridiculous line of photographs he's
[14:28] Speaker 4: got of all the old presidents with Joe Biden as
[14:31] Speaker 4: an auto pen. And we don't often see Xi Jinping
[14:42] Speaker 4: laugh or smile, okay? He's very kind of, you know,
[14:45] Speaker 4: he's got that same face all the time.
[14:48] Speaker 3: And he was laughing. That's great. Well, we have a
[14:51] Speaker 3: lot of respect for you.
[14:53] Speaker 4: You know, Trump would imagine he was laughing at Joe Biden.
[14:56] Speaker 4: I don't think he was. I think he was looking
[14:59] Speaker 4: at that thinking, this is really wacky. This is not serious, right?
[15:03] Speaker 4: So I just feel that Trump was doing what Trump does,
[15:06] Speaker 4: is sort of enjoying the pageantry, enjoying the sort of,
[15:09] Speaker 4: you know, isn't this a big deal, but not getting
[15:12] Speaker 4: that much out of it. And I thought, I mean,
[15:15] Speaker 4: I don't know if you're aware of this, the fact
[15:17] Speaker 4: that he went to... I know this sounds trivial on
[15:20] Speaker 4: one level, the fact that he went to greet the plane.
[15:23] Speaker 3: Very unusual.
[15:24] Speaker 4: Now, American presidents don't do that. The last time they
[15:26] Speaker 4: did that was JFK for Macmillan, way back. And so...
[15:31] Speaker 4: I think it just looked a bit needy, whereas Xi
[15:34] Speaker 4: Jinping just looked like Xi Jinping always looks.
[15:38] Speaker 2: And finally, Alistair, isn't one of the perverse things about
[15:41] Speaker 2: the Trump presidency is that in a time of great
[15:45] Speaker 2: tumult and great shifting globally, that.
[15:48] Speaker 3: Anything is possible?
[15:50] Speaker 2: And isn't there a lesson in that for leaders around
[15:54] Speaker 2: the world?
[15:55] Speaker 3: Absolutely.
[15:56] Speaker 4: This is where I think we've got to get confidence back.
[15:59] Speaker 4: I think that one of the problems in in the UK,
[16:01] Speaker 4: I think Brexit, in a sense, was a sign of
[16:04] Speaker 4: the way that we were losing confidence in ourselves. I
[16:06] Speaker 4: think Europe has lost quite a lot of confidence, not
[16:08] Speaker 4: least because we left. And the thing that the populist
[16:12] Speaker 4: and authoritarian right do is they emanate a sense of
[16:15] Speaker 4: being right about everything all the time. And I don't
[16:19] Speaker 4: believe that we should be like that. But at the
[16:21] Speaker 4: same time, we've got to regain a sense of confidence
[16:24] Speaker 4: that the values that we believe in, that we hold,
[16:27] Speaker 4: the things that we believe in, the progress that we
[16:29] Speaker 4: want to make for the world, that it's always worth
[16:32] Speaker 4: fighting for. And that's, I think, what's been so inspirational
[16:36] Speaker 4: about Mark Carney.
[16:37] Speaker 3: He's always got that sort of positive sense.
[16:39] Speaker 4: And it's exactly why Andy Burnham's speech has gone down
[16:42] Speaker 4: as well as it did, because he was basically saying, listen, we.
[16:45] Speaker 3: Believe the right things.
[16:48] Speaker 4: Let's just be a bit more confident that we can
[16:51] Speaker 4: put those beliefs into practical action by developing an approach
[16:55] Speaker 4: to the economy, an approach to society, an approach to
[16:57] Speaker 4: the world, that is better than the dominant forces right now.
[17:04] Speaker 2: Well, Alistair, we're looking forward to seeing you in Australia
[17:06] Speaker 2: later this year. Thank you for joining us on 7am.
[17:09] Speaker 3: My pleasure.
[17:12] Speaker 2: And if you want to see Alistair in the flesh,
[17:14] Speaker 2: An Evening with Alistair Campbell is touring Australia from 18th November.
[17:18] Speaker 2: Tickets and further details at fane.com.au. Also in the news,
[17:35] Speaker 2: an 18-year-old P-plate driver who allegedly ploughed his car into
[17:38] Speaker 2: a group of Newcastle Knights fans injuring 10 people has
[17:42] Speaker 2: been refused bail in court. It's been reported the teenager
[17:45] Speaker 2: had already been suspended from driving earlier this year. Of
[17:48] Speaker 2: the 10 people injured, the most serious is a 5-year-old
[17:50] Speaker 2: girl and a 67-year-old, both in a serious but stable condition.
[17:56] Speaker 2: And the Australian Federal Police is investigating Australian links to
[18:00] Speaker 2: the FlyDubai pilot who allegedly attacked his colleagues in the
[18:03] Speaker 2: cockpit in an effort to crash the plane last week.
[18:06] Speaker 2: The ABC reports that the Joint Counterterrorism Team is investigating
[18:09] Speaker 2: whether the man, who studied here in Australia between 2015
[18:12] Speaker 2: and 2017, was radicalised while in Australia. I'm Daniel James.
[18:18] Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to 7am.
[18:20] Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow.
[18:24] Speaker 5: You

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