# New game, new rules

An episode of [Democracy Sausage with Mark Kenny](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1459965243), 15 Sep 2026, 59 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/acast/s/democracy-sausage/e/6aa8d8064cef87591dbb18de/media.mp3

Is too much political capital being put into meaningless foreign policy platitudes rather than defining what modern Australian security looks like? If Australia's shared values with its allies are contradicted can we still rely on those principles to steer policy with them? Can Australia take a globally prominent position in petitioning the US to end the wars that fundamentally threaten Australia's national security? On this episode of Democracy Sausage, Allan Behm — a 30-year veteran of the Australian Public Service across defence, diplomacy and the Attorney-General's Department, and a former senior adviser to now-Foreign Minister Penny Wong — joins Professor Mark Kenny to discuss his new book, New Game, New Rules: A Foreign Policy for Dystopian Times, and why breaking Australia's "stranglehold of dependency" starts with an honest reckoning with our own identity. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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