# If No One Listens, No One Speaks

An episode of [Bank Notes](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1459646064), 5 Dec 2023, 36 min.

Audio: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/banknotes/110923_wieke_scholten.mp3?dest-id=867161

How can organizations avoid reinforcing mistakes or bad behavior? Why is it crucial for upper management to understand the daily realities and social norms at a localized, team-by-team level? And how might removing the pressure surrounding results actually lead to better outcomes, including meaningful systemic improvements? In this episode, behavioral risk expert Wieke Scholten walks us through the ins-and-outs of turning negative events into positive opportunities for learning.

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