# #52 Jonathan Pageau - The Problem With Secular Architecture

An episode of [Within Reason](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1458675168), 20 Jan 2024, 59 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/10a220e88/podcast/play/109253866/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-9-5%2F408715679-44100-2-9d91eb3c9880e68c.mp3

Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world, how these patterns emerge and come together, manifesting in religion, art and in popular culture. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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