# DISCLOSURE BREAKTHROUGH w/ Laura Eisenhower | Behind the Scenes of New Secret Space Documentary

An episode of [Journey to Truth Podcast CLASSICS](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1458666262), 27 Oct 2026, 1 h 12 min.

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## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm recording. So yeah, we have a backup fire going. Okay, sweet. One, two, three.
[0:09] Speaker 2: Hello, everybody. It's Laura Eisenhower. I am joined today by
[0:12] Speaker 2: my two really good friends, Tyler Koala and Aaron Kuhn,
[0:16] Speaker 2: the podcast hosts of Journey to Truth. Man, you guys
[0:20] Speaker 2: have been at this for years and you have this really,
[0:22] Speaker 2: really incredible documentary coming out. You've been doing this podcast
[0:26] Speaker 2: for such a long time and you both just recently
[0:28] Speaker 2: put out two books. waking to the infinite universe, Aaron,
[0:32] Speaker 2: and bleed through Tales from Another Timeline, Tyler. And my gosh,
[0:36] Speaker 2: I mean, this is just in the last couple of
[0:38] Speaker 2: years and now this documentary. So congratulations on all of
[0:41] Speaker 2: that and your endless hard work, exhaustible, inexhaustible. And I mean,
[0:50] Speaker 2: there's no turning back for humanity after this documentary. This
[0:53] Speaker 2: is like really, really an eye-opening documentary compilation of so
[1:00] Speaker 2: many people's experiences and your research and a lot of
[1:02] Speaker 2: doc connecting. Can you talk to us about this documentary,
[1:05] Speaker 2: your process behind it and how it all kind of
[1:07] Speaker 2: came together?
[1:09] Speaker 1: Yeah. First of all, thank you for all the kind words.
[1:12] Speaker 3: And thank you so much.
[1:13] Speaker 1: So grateful to be here with you. You know, actually
[1:16] Speaker 1: I'm going to rewind a little bit before I answer
[1:17] Speaker 1: your question. We technically met you. I met you for
[1:21] Speaker 1: the first time in 2019 in Hawaii, actually, where we're
[1:24] Speaker 1: going to be again in April for those who are interested. Um,
[1:28] Speaker 1: there's still tickets available if you'd like to join us, but,
[1:31] Speaker 1: and Laura will be there again. And we, we specifically
[1:35] Speaker 1: invited you back as like a reunion type of thing. You, you,
[1:38] Speaker 1: you were one of the first people that we came
[1:39] Speaker 1: across that actually treated us like people like, you know, and,
[1:46] Speaker 1: and that's, Not saying anything negative about anybody, but you've
[1:51] Speaker 1: given us the time. You gave us the time when
[1:53] Speaker 1: we were nobody. And now here we are and we've built,
[1:56] Speaker 1: you know, it allowed us to, it gave us confidence
[1:59] Speaker 1: to build ourselves into this. And now you see the
[2:02] Speaker 1: byproduct of that. We've done many events, books, podcasts, now documentaries.
[2:08] Speaker 1: And this film was something that the idea came about
[2:12] Speaker 1: three years ago, a little over three years ago. We
[2:15] Speaker 1: had already put out our first documentary, The Cahokia Mounds,
[2:18] Speaker 1: The Untold Story, which is also pretty good, I think,
[2:20] Speaker 1: in my opinion, especially for a first time film. And
[2:26] Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to do another one. I knew
[2:27] Speaker 1: we could do better. And I've always wanted to, you know,
[2:30] Speaker 1: Secret Space Program has always been a passion. You know,
[2:33] Speaker 1: we all resonate with it on some level for probably
[2:35] Speaker 1: because we're connected or involved or we remember this stuff.
[2:39] Speaker 1: And we had interviewed so many people, and there was
[2:42] Speaker 1: really no good documentary out there that was covering it,
[2:45] Speaker 1: how I felt it should be covered. In fact, the
[2:48] Speaker 1: exact opposite was happening. We saw a lot of hit
[2:51] Speaker 1: pieces and big names in ufology trying to make a
[2:54] Speaker 1: mockery out of the secret space program due to certain
[2:56] Speaker 1: individuals who did a lot of damage to the movement,
[3:00] Speaker 1: I would say. So I felt like, man, like new
[3:04] Speaker 1: people are going to be finding this information every day.
[3:07] Speaker 1: And if all they come across is the hit pieces,
[3:09] Speaker 1: what a disservice to the people who were actually involved
[3:13] Speaker 1: and have stories to tell. So we wanted to take
[3:17] Speaker 1: the most credible people we could find, including yourself, who's
[3:20] Speaker 1: in the film, and just basically make a documentary painting
[3:24] Speaker 1: a picture of the secret space program for the skeptic,
[3:28] Speaker 1: for people who don't know what it is. build a
[3:31] Speaker 1: case for the secret space program, but not shy away
[3:34] Speaker 1: from the woo details because you, you know, in order
[3:37] Speaker 1: to tell the story, you just have to tell the story.
[3:39] Speaker 1: And that involves crazy stuff. That's hard to believe, but
[3:43] Speaker 1: I think we delivered it in such a way that, uh,
[3:47] Speaker 1: it doesn't scare you off. Uh, we, I tried to
[3:49] Speaker 1: make it intriguing, visually compelling, you know, neuro linguistically engaging,
[3:54] Speaker 1: just a whole thing had to be, there's a, it's
[3:57] Speaker 1: like walking a tight rope between entertainment and education. And
[4:01] Speaker 1: you can't bore people. You don't want to shoot off
[4:04] Speaker 1: too many fireworks. You have to find a balance that
[4:07] Speaker 1: it's like a voice of reason. Like we want it
[4:09] Speaker 1: to be a voice of reason for this information, for
[4:12] Speaker 1: this Secret Space Program topic. And take it seriously and
[4:16] Speaker 1: not focus on just criticizing or cutting down other people
[4:20] Speaker 1: who are telling the stories. And most of the time
[4:22] Speaker 1: what happens is people out there make films and they
[4:27] Speaker 1: just– the whole film is dedicated. It would be a
[4:30] Speaker 1: two hour feature film dedicated to debunking the movement, which
[4:35] Speaker 1: in my opinion, if you have to spend, if you
[4:38] Speaker 1: make a two hour feature length film with professionally produced documentary,
[4:43] Speaker 1: just to debunk something, in fact, you're validating it because
[4:46] Speaker 1: what's the point otherwise, you know? So this has been
[4:50] Speaker 1: three years in the making hours, lost count of the
[4:54] Speaker 1: hours it took and, trips and, and money and all
[4:59] Speaker 1: the stuff it took to put this film together and
[5:02] Speaker 1: learning the hard way, every step of the way. We're
[5:04] Speaker 1: not filmmakers. We're not producers. You know, I can't, I
[5:07] Speaker 1: lost count of the YouTube tutorials that I watched to
[5:10] Speaker 1: learn tips and tricks and editing programs and this and that.
[5:14] Speaker 1: So it's really a grassroots effort. And I actually watched
[5:19] Speaker 1: other documentaries as like research projects and I would see
[5:22] Speaker 1: how they did things and how they frame things. And
[5:25] Speaker 1: how the most famous films are producing their documentaries now.
[5:29] Speaker 1: So I use that as a guideline so we fit
[5:31] Speaker 1: in and we're relevant. And it's out now on our Patreon.
[5:37] Speaker 1: You can purchase it, and I'll send you that link
[5:40] Speaker 1: so you can put it below. But it's really... going
[5:42] Speaker 1: to hit the streaming platforms hopefully in a couple months.
[5:46] Speaker 1: You know, we have to submit it and it takes
[5:47] Speaker 1: time for that ball to get rolling. So it's going
[5:50] Speaker 1: to be out there on Amazon Prime, Roku, Hulu, potentially
[5:53] Speaker 1: Apple TV. I mean, we're putting it out there to
[5:55] Speaker 1: all of them. We'll see which ones bite. But that
[5:58] Speaker 1: ball is rolling and we're excited. So this is the
[6:00] Speaker 1: first wave. And hopefully once it hits the streaming platforms,
[6:05] Speaker 1: you know, it'll get even further and bigger and further
[6:08] Speaker 1: and reach, you know, some of the people out there
[6:11] Speaker 1: that I think need to see it They really won't
[6:14] Speaker 1: find it on our Patreon for now. So in a nutshell,
[6:17] Speaker 1: without saying too much more, that's kind of where we're
[6:19] Speaker 1: at with it. And Aaron, if you wanted to piggyback
[6:21] Speaker 1: off of that.
[6:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, well said. Yeah, I mean, like you said, the
[6:29] Speaker 3: main goal, well, I guess there's kind of two main
[6:32] Speaker 3: goals to it were number one, to reach, as you say,
[6:38] Speaker 3: the skeptics, or I would just say people that just
[6:42] Speaker 3: don't know anything about this stuff. Um, we wanted to
[6:45] Speaker 3: make it as digestible as possible. And as, as, um,
[6:51] Speaker 3: you know, there's, there's so much, this is a vast
[6:53] Speaker 3: subject and it gets very quote unquote out there, right?
[6:57] Speaker 3: It gets very like esoteric and, uh, you know, talking
[7:01] Speaker 3: about ETs and other planets and ships and, you know,
[7:06] Speaker 3: super soldiers and go down the cloning, go down the list, right?
[7:09] Speaker 3: There's just so much that somebody, uh, that doesn't have
[7:13] Speaker 3: any background in that information, uh, might be turned off
[7:18] Speaker 3: if you go kind of like too much too soon,
[7:20] Speaker 3: you know? Um, so we kind of tried to make
[7:23] Speaker 3: it and also as, as 3d meaning like the, as
[7:28] Speaker 3: much earth based, right. Earth based and military and things
[7:32] Speaker 3: like that as possible, because there's a lot of that,
[7:35] Speaker 3: you know, there, and there's so much evidence there. Um,
[7:39] Speaker 3: so we're trying to, cast a wide net essentially to, to,
[7:44] Speaker 3: we're like, okay, if somebody knows nothing, not even anything
[7:46] Speaker 3: about any of the UFO stuff, ufology or, or, um, anything,
[7:53] Speaker 3: you know, would to come across this, would they not
[7:56] Speaker 3: be turned off? You know, even if there's things in there,
[7:59] Speaker 3: they might be like, eh, would they at least be,
[8:02] Speaker 3: intrigued and be like, whoa, there's definitely something to this.
[8:06] Speaker 3: So we kind of had that goal in mind to
[8:08] Speaker 3: capture a wide audience, get them interested in realizing there
[8:11] Speaker 3: is some something real going on here. And I'm going
[8:14] Speaker 3: to investigate further. And number two, I would say is
[8:19] Speaker 3: we wanted to kind of bring the credibility back to
[8:22] Speaker 3: the subject that unfortunately has been very damaged over at
[8:27] Speaker 3: least the last five or six years or really longer,
[8:31] Speaker 3: but especially over that timeframe, uh, based on a certain
[8:34] Speaker 3: individual who I'm not, we're not going to name here. Um,
[8:38] Speaker 3: but it's unfortunate because it seems like 90% or more
[8:43] Speaker 3: of people that came across the subject came across it
[8:47] Speaker 3: because of this individual or because of the show on
[8:49] Speaker 3: Gaia that, um, kind of like really popularize the subject.
[8:53] Speaker 3: And this person was on that show. So they kind of,
[8:57] Speaker 3: in most people's minds became synonymous with the subject or
[9:02] Speaker 3: at least like in their minds at least he was
[9:05] Speaker 3: the first person to come out which is not true
[9:09] Speaker 3: at all but in most people's minds they don't they
[9:11] Speaker 3: didn't really research it as much as we have so
[9:13] Speaker 3: in their minds oh he was the first and then
[9:15] Speaker 3: everyone else came after him and then because of his
[9:18] Speaker 3: behavior and things kind of like in their minds discredited
[9:23] Speaker 3: the whole subject kind of like throwing the baby out
[9:24] Speaker 3: with the bath water and then i've even seen so
[9:27] Speaker 3: many people seem to think everyone else was just copying
[9:31] Speaker 3: off of him. Like he was the first and everyone
[9:33] Speaker 3: else was just copying off of him and stealing his.
[9:35] Speaker 3: And that is not true. I know you know that.
[9:39] Speaker 3: And in fact, there were people well before he ever,
[9:42] Speaker 3: before anyone knew who he was or came public. There's
[9:45] Speaker 3: tons of whistleblowers and insiders that talked about this many,
[9:48] Speaker 3: many years and decades ago. There's a whole history going
[9:52] Speaker 3: back decades of this subject and and experiencers that came out,
[9:57] Speaker 3: you know, many, many years ago, but well before that. So, um,
[10:01] Speaker 3: but if you don't know that, you know, like I said,
[10:03] Speaker 3: 90% of people that know about the subject seem to
[10:07] Speaker 3: not understand that. And it kind of all gets discredited
[10:10] Speaker 3: because of, because of that, unfortunately. So we're trying to
[10:13] Speaker 3: bring that credibility back. We're trying to reverse the damage
[10:17] Speaker 3: that was caused there. And, um, you know, at least
[10:22] Speaker 3: for sure in the communities that we're in, I think
[10:25] Speaker 3: we'll for sure, you know, watch this film and realize,
[10:28] Speaker 3: wait a second, there's something here. This is very real.
[10:32] Speaker 3: And hopefully people even outside of our community, this, you know,
[10:36] Speaker 3: we're hoping this will be a catalyst for who knows,
[10:38] Speaker 3: maybe their awakening in general, or at least to take
[10:41] Speaker 3: this subject seriously and do more research and dive down.
[10:44] Speaker 1: The rabbit hole.
[10:45] Speaker 3: Wow.
[10:45] Speaker 2: What an incredible intention. So much gratitude that you're, you know,
[10:50] Speaker 2: doing that because it's gotten so messy and, you know,
[10:53] Speaker 2: fragmented in the way people are, you know, handling this
[10:57] Speaker 2: subject for sure. And you guys have witnessed so much
[11:01] Speaker 2: since the beginning, the events that you've done and all
[11:03] Speaker 2: the podcasts that you've had. What was the hardest part
[11:07] Speaker 2: about making this film, you think?
[11:11] Speaker 1: I will go out on a limb and say there
[11:14] Speaker 1: were a number of things that I believe happened were
[11:16] Speaker 1: attempts to thwart the film's effort. people, individuals, just things
[11:23] Speaker 1: that happened in our lives during the process of this
[11:27] Speaker 1: that tried to destroy our credibility as podcasters. And a
[11:31] Speaker 1: number of things happened that were heartbreaking. And there were
[11:35] Speaker 1: things even that, you know, down to a private, you know,
[11:40] Speaker 1: private level in my life that I think, you know,
[11:43] Speaker 1: during the editing process, there was some difficulties, things were
[11:46] Speaker 1: happening in my life that didn't seem natural, that seem
[11:50] Speaker 1: like they just get more like setbacks in the film
[11:52] Speaker 1: or just like, I really wanted to focus on it.
[11:55] Speaker 1: And I had to focus on this today and say
[11:57] Speaker 1: just things like that. It was actually, there was a
[12:00] Speaker 1: lot of pushback along the way and people don't understand that.
[12:02] Speaker 1: And I was like, man, this subject, I'm like, somebody
[12:04] Speaker 1: does not want this subject covered like this. And so
[12:07] Speaker 1: that was the hardest part. Everything else is what comes
[12:10] Speaker 1: from the heart. It's a passion project. So that all
[12:13] Speaker 1: was easy. I mean, there's a lot of hours and
[12:15] Speaker 1: I guess the second hardest part would be just so
[12:18] Speaker 1: much time in front of the computer, which is more
[12:20] Speaker 1: time than I'd like to spend, but that's what it
[12:23] Speaker 1: takes to do a film like this. And so there
[12:25] Speaker 1: was pushback and, you know, it was, you know, I,
[12:30] Speaker 1: I spent an unhealthy amount of time hours behind the computer.
[12:35] Speaker 1: And I think, you know, took a, took a toll
[12:38] Speaker 1: on my physical health a little bit, but I'm getting
[12:39] Speaker 1: back in the gym and stuff now, but that was
[12:41] Speaker 1: just because I was so focused on the project. Other
[12:44] Speaker 1: than that, the rest of it came easy because we
[12:48] Speaker 1: had known these. We knew. It's not like we were
[12:50] Speaker 1: finding random people. In fact, we knew or know and
[12:54] Speaker 1: are friends with everybody in the film or, you know,
[12:56] Speaker 1: if they're still alive because there's a number of people
[12:58] Speaker 1: that appear in the film that are no longer with us, unfortunately.
[13:02] Speaker 1: But it's so we understood. We knew these people's stories
[13:08] Speaker 1: inside and out. It's not like we're new to this.
[13:11] Speaker 1: So I knew exactly. what I wanted from each person's
[13:15] Speaker 1: testimony to include, to really build this, to paint this picture, right?
[13:20] Speaker 1: And to build this case for the Secret Space Program.
[13:22] Speaker 1: But I don't think as a filmmaker just going out
[13:25] Speaker 1: there trying to cover this subject without having the background
[13:29] Speaker 1: that we do, I don't think it could be as
[13:31] Speaker 1: impactful because you have to know these testimonies inside and out.
[13:35] Speaker 1: You have to know the subject inside and out to
[13:37] Speaker 1: really deliver something that's impactful. And I think that was,
[13:42] Speaker 1: you know, that was the passion and motivation and the
[13:46] Speaker 1: whole just idea behind the film.
[13:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I don't feel like there's anybody more
[13:50] Speaker 2: qualified than the two of you. So what were you
[13:53] Speaker 2: going to say, Aaron?
[13:55] Speaker 3: Yeah. And, you know, over the last few years, we've watched,
[14:00] Speaker 3: you know, we've seen like some some big names in
[14:04] Speaker 3: ufology or in the disclosure community or whatever you want
[14:07] Speaker 3: to call it, kind of like. either do a straight-up
[14:11] Speaker 3: hit piece, Tyler, like you said, or kind of pretend
[14:15] Speaker 3: to do a... pretend to cover this topic in a
[14:19] Speaker 3: legitimate way, but then, like, basically debunk it. Kind of like...
[14:25] Speaker 3: I'll just say, like, Y-Files did, you know, where they
[14:28] Speaker 3: do that with a lot of subjects, actually, where they'll
[14:30] Speaker 3: cover it, and it sounds very researched, and partly it is,
[14:34] Speaker 3: but then there's a lot of disinfo in there as well,
[14:37] Speaker 3: things that aren't true, and then... You know, they'll basically
[14:40] Speaker 3: it basically is like this psyop that makes you think
[14:43] Speaker 3: the subject's been fully covered and everything you need to
[14:46] Speaker 3: know has been covered. And there's basically nothing here. Move along,
[14:49] Speaker 3: you know. And especially when it's a, you know, a
[14:53] Speaker 3: channel like that with millions of viewers, it's like, oh, great. So,
[14:59] Speaker 3: you know, most people are getting funneled into that, things
[15:02] Speaker 3: like that. And then they're like, yeah, it's basically BS.
[15:05] Speaker 3: Nothing to see here. Move along, you know.
[15:08] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[15:08] Speaker 3: It sounds very interesting. It's interesting. It's an interesting concept.
[15:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[15:14] Speaker 3: Concept fictional story, you know, it's like entertainment, but there's
[15:18] Speaker 3: no reality here. Move along. And we're like, great. You know, we,
[15:21] Speaker 3: we need to like, no, no, no, no. We need
[15:23] Speaker 3: to let people know this is real and show them
[15:27] Speaker 3: the reality here, you know, and then let them go
[15:31] Speaker 3: on their own journey from there, you know, to decide,
[15:33] Speaker 3: but like, we need to give them the truth and
[15:36] Speaker 3: the real facts and the real, the real experiencers and, you.
[15:39] Speaker 1: Know, or just deliver or just cover it in such
[15:41] Speaker 1: a way that lets the people decide. Exactly.
[15:44] Speaker 3: And that's what we tried to do as well. Right.
[15:47] Speaker 2: That's everything because I mean, this is part of the
[15:50] Speaker 2: deep state tactic is to knowing that it's all being
[15:55] Speaker 2: exposed is to kind of mitigate it through diminishing it
[16:00] Speaker 2: in a subtle sort of way. And I've noticed this
[16:02] Speaker 2: with just our narratives, false narratives and, sound bites taken
[16:06] Speaker 2: that go viral. But when I'm doing like mass articles
[16:09] Speaker 2: or even my book, it's like doesn't really get around
[16:13] Speaker 2: as much. It just gets minimized. I mean, just disclosure.
[16:16] Speaker 2: So like satanic panic under every video.
[16:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
[16:22] Speaker 2: So what did you make sure was in the documentary
[16:25] Speaker 2: that you've noticed is a common thread amongst many experiencers?
[16:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was a very specific angle I wanted
[16:33] Speaker 1: to approach this with was involving people that were in
[16:38] Speaker 1: the military. Now, there's a number of secret space program whistleblowers, right,
[16:43] Speaker 1: that have memories and have experiences, but they're just average Joes.
[16:49] Speaker 1: And I'm like, unfortunately, we're still in a place in
[16:51] Speaker 1: the collective where You listen to the guy in the
[16:54] Speaker 1: lab coat. You listen to the guy with the military credentials.
[16:58] Speaker 1: It seems more credible that way. And that's the only
[17:01] Speaker 1: way we're going to reach a broader audience is to
[17:04] Speaker 1: include all the people in the film that have military
[17:06] Speaker 1: backgrounds or like yourself, who your grandfather, great grandfather was
[17:10] Speaker 1: actually the president. And just a number of people that
[17:14] Speaker 1: have somehow credentialed enough that an average person would actually
[17:21] Speaker 1: listen to what they say. And Tony Rodriguez is the
[17:24] Speaker 1: rare case who's in the film where he wasn't in
[17:27] Speaker 1: the military, but he has a lot of boots on
[17:30] Speaker 1: the ground evidence. We were able to go to the
[17:32] Speaker 1: place that he remembered. And it's this whole very, very
[17:35] Speaker 1: compelling thing that not many other people can bring to
[17:38] Speaker 1: the table. So it was important to present it in
[17:41] Speaker 1: such a way where even like a skeptic, like I
[17:45] Speaker 1: said earlier, would take it seriously. And that, in my opinion,
[17:49] Speaker 1: was including the people that have stories being recruited into
[17:53] Speaker 1: these programs through the military. And that was a big focus.
[17:56] Speaker 1: And the second focus was we're not jumping off planet yet.
[18:00] Speaker 1: The far, as far as we went in the movie
[18:02] Speaker 1: was the moon, because there's a lot of people have
[18:05] Speaker 1: been talking about the moon for a lot of years.
[18:07] Speaker 1: And there's a whole flat earth narrative that's trying to
[18:09] Speaker 1: debunk the moon in general, trying to say it's a hologram. Um,
[18:13] Speaker 1: So we wanted to build this case also for that
[18:16] Speaker 1: these people– like the jumping off point for the secret
[18:19] Speaker 1: space program is the moon. But primarily we focused on
[18:22] Speaker 1: all the earth-based side of the testimonies. Things people can
[18:26] Speaker 1: go research. They can go look up this military base.
[18:29] Speaker 1: They can go look up this person's military records and
[18:31] Speaker 1: see that they were actually in the military, in the Navy, Army,
[18:34] Speaker 1: whatever it was. They can actually– things they can go verify.
[18:37] Speaker 3: Right.
[18:38] Speaker 1: If we were to jump off planet and say, oh,
[18:39] Speaker 1: this guy served on Jupiter or Alpha Centauri, whatever, you know,
[18:43] Speaker 1: these wild stories, no one can prove that one way
[18:46] Speaker 1: or the other. And then you're just telling a story.
[18:50] Speaker 1: And in this case, we're providing evidence that these people
[18:53] Speaker 1: were involved in the military. This is their testimony. This
[18:56] Speaker 1: is what it looks like. And if you can at
[18:59] Speaker 1: least get people to grab onto that, then maybe they'll
[19:02] Speaker 1: be interested in part two of this documentary that takes
[19:04] Speaker 1: it a little further. Ah, brilliant.
[19:06] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[19:07] Speaker 2: Create that foundation and, and that'll help strengthen people's discernment,
[19:11] Speaker 2: which is so necessary. Um, Aaron, what were your thoughts?
[19:14] Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on what he just said?
[19:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's, that's exactly what we tried to do is, um,
[19:20] Speaker 3: you know, it's like, start from, start from step one,
[19:24] Speaker 3: start from square one where, uh, get, put the reality,
[19:29] Speaker 3: you know, out there of like, this is real. It's
[19:32] Speaker 3: very real from an earth based military based perspective, 3d
[19:35] Speaker 3: based perspective, even, um, Without even going into all those
[19:39] Speaker 3: more off-planet and seemingly more out there, even though when
[19:44] Speaker 3: you understand reality and what's really going on, it's not
[19:48] Speaker 3: out there. It's just from a certain perspective. it is, but, but,
[19:52] Speaker 3: you know, from most people, for most people, it's like, you, you,
[19:56] Speaker 3: you're like skipping a step or multiple steps. If you
[19:59] Speaker 3: just go straight to, like Tyler said, Oh, my experience
[20:02] Speaker 3: on this planet or way out there in space, you know, uh,
[20:07] Speaker 3: people that don't, have the background again, like I said earlier,
[20:11] Speaker 3: it's like, you're, you're skipping to a more advanced place
[20:15] Speaker 3: that they're not ready for. So in their mind, they're like, oh,
[20:17] Speaker 3: this is just a crazy story that somebody is making up.
[20:20] Speaker 3: You know, they're, they're lying for money or fame or
[20:23] Speaker 3: attention or whatever. You know, it's, it's, it's so easy
[20:25] Speaker 3: for people to just jump immediately to, to assume that
[20:29] Speaker 3: when something that's way out of their paradigm is being
[20:31] Speaker 3: said by somebody, right. It's like, oh, they must be,
[20:34] Speaker 3: they must be either crazy or lying. Those are the
[20:36] Speaker 3: only two options, right? You must be either crazy or lying.
[20:40] Speaker 3: But if if you can, you know, if they can
[20:43] Speaker 3: understand this is a real subject, there is reality here
[20:46] Speaker 3: and it is Earth based and there's tangible things you
[20:48] Speaker 3: can investigate that show the reality of this. And then,
[20:53] Speaker 3: you know, at a certain point, you can people once
[20:56] Speaker 3: they once they get there, they can be like, OK,
[20:59] Speaker 3: why wouldn't these experiences that these people are all saying
[21:02] Speaker 3: be real?
[21:03] Speaker 1: Right.
[21:04] Speaker 3: If this is real, of course. Right. you know, not
[21:07] Speaker 3: saying to just automatically believe everyone just because they're telling
[21:10] Speaker 3: a story, but if they have the credentials or if
[21:13] Speaker 3: they've proven themselves, or if you understand certain concepts and
[21:18] Speaker 3: certain information to be real, then it's not a stretch to,
[21:23] Speaker 3: especially if it's the same people that you've already, you
[21:26] Speaker 3: believe are credible saying these things. Especially somebody like Tony,
[21:30] Speaker 3: who's done all this boots on the ground investigation himself.
[21:33] Speaker 3: And Tyler, we, you know, done a little bit with
[21:36] Speaker 3: him even where he's, he's found the things that he
[21:40] Speaker 3: remembers that weren't in his organic timeline, but he has
[21:42] Speaker 3: these very vivid memories and can go to the places
[21:45] Speaker 3: and he'll, he'll say the things and then he'll go
[21:46] Speaker 3: there and it's all exactly how he remembers it. He
[21:50] Speaker 3: has many, you know, many things that I think even the,
[21:55] Speaker 3: even the, you know, the most skeptical people, You know,
[22:01] Speaker 3: if they truly looked at his information and what he's
[22:04] Speaker 3: come across can say, OK, you know, I can't I
[22:07] Speaker 3: at least can't explain this away. Right. There has to
[22:09] Speaker 3: be something going on.
[22:11] Speaker 1: Right.
[22:12] Speaker 3: So that's the step that we tried to do with
[22:15] Speaker 3: this documentary as well as we could. And then who knows,
[22:19] Speaker 3: maybe we'll do maybe I'm not saying, you know, maybe
[22:22] Speaker 3: at some point we'll do a sequel or another one
[22:24] Speaker 3: that will maybe pick up where we left off. But
[22:27] Speaker 3: who knows?
[22:27] Speaker 1: We'll see.
[22:29] Speaker 2: So, so with stories that, you know, people are telling that,
[22:32] Speaker 2: that we hear about, I mean, this feels like such
[22:36] Speaker 2: an important foundation. I mean, you have to prove there's
[22:38] Speaker 2: an airport and an airplane before you hear the stories
[22:40] Speaker 2: of people's flight experiences. And that's the best.
[22:43] Speaker 1: Metaphor, but it's a great metaphor actually.
[22:46] Speaker 2: It starts with that.
[22:47] Speaker 1: Right.
[22:47] Speaker 2: And then everything kind of, but what would you suggest
[22:50] Speaker 2: to people? What standards do you both personally use to
[22:53] Speaker 2: vet SSP testimonies, even if they don't have the evidence,
[22:57] Speaker 2: like what signs do you look for? What, anything stand
[23:00] Speaker 2: out over the years?
[23:01] Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's hard because a lot of this stuff
[23:04] Speaker 1: is unverifiable. What we've learned over the years interviewing people,
[23:08] Speaker 1: I think is, you know, we always preach do the
[23:11] Speaker 1: inner work, get to know yourself. And I've said this
[23:13] Speaker 1: a million times. I sound like a broken record, but
[23:16] Speaker 1: your body, once you get to know yourself and you're
[23:18] Speaker 1: in tune and in alignment with, with yourself and a
[23:22] Speaker 1: very deep level, When you hear something, your body responds
[23:26] Speaker 1: to that information. Your body, we all have that bullshit
[23:29] Speaker 1: detector like, man, I can't prove it, but I just
[23:32] Speaker 1: know that guy's lying. Or your body will resonate with
[23:35] Speaker 1: something so deeply you'll get the chills, what I call
[23:37] Speaker 1: truth bumps. Like, you know, oh, this is the truth. Like,
[23:40] Speaker 1: this is actually, this person's not lying to me. I
[23:44] Speaker 1: think it comes down to your personal BS meter, honestly,
[23:48] Speaker 1: and you're in using your gut and tapping into your intuition.
[23:51] Speaker 1: That's the only way to actually vet somebody properly because
[23:56] Speaker 1: people reach out to us and ask us, what do
[23:59] Speaker 1: you think of this person? They want our, they value
[24:02] Speaker 1: our opinion. So they want us to, you know, give,
[24:04] Speaker 1: tell them what we think, but why does it matter?
[24:07] Speaker 1: What we think is what I would say. Like if the,
[24:10] Speaker 1: first of all, like, the fact that you have to
[24:12] Speaker 1: ask about this person should be the number one indicator
[24:15] Speaker 1: because something inside of you, some alarm bells already going off.
[24:19] Speaker 1: So now you're asking other people what they think. If
[24:22] Speaker 1: you like were so moved by this person, you wouldn't
[24:24] Speaker 1: be going around. I don't know. What do you think
[24:26] Speaker 1: of this? I can't really tell. That should be our
[24:28] Speaker 1: number one indicator. So you just get to know yourself
[24:32] Speaker 1: and be your own bullshit detector. I mean, I know
[24:34] Speaker 1: that's not what the scientific analytical mind wants to hear
[24:38] Speaker 1: and In fact, that's the exact opposite. And they just
[24:41] Speaker 1: throw us into this whole category and they might as
[24:44] Speaker 1: well burn us with the Salem witches, you know. I mean,
[24:47] Speaker 1: it's just kind of how it is, unfortunately. So there's
[24:50] Speaker 1: really no way. In some cases, you can go do some,
[24:53] Speaker 1: provide some real evidence, but evidence looks different to everybody.
[24:57] Speaker 1: Everybody has their own version of what they want to
[24:59] Speaker 1: see and what they consider evidence.
[25:01] Speaker 3: What counts as evidence. Yeah, everyone has different boxes of
[25:05] Speaker 3: everything outside of that doesn't count as evidence.
[25:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[25:08] Speaker 3: But only this small box is everything. Right.
[25:12] Speaker 1: So, yeah, you can't please everyone. That's why we decide
[25:16] Speaker 1: to present the information in such a way where we're
[25:20] Speaker 1: not telling anybody one way or the other. We're letting
[25:24] Speaker 1: all these other people tell you their experience, and then
[25:26] Speaker 1: you decide at the end what you think. And, you know,
[25:29] Speaker 1: we've included in the film, and many people don't even
[25:32] Speaker 1: know this, so who haven't seen it yet, at the
[25:35] Speaker 1: we at the end of the film during the credits
[25:38] Speaker 1: we made a compilation of everybody that's ever been on
[25:41] Speaker 1: our podcast that's come and and blew the whistle on
[25:44] Speaker 1: the secret space program even if they've turned on us
[25:47] Speaker 1: by now or they're they're out there publicly ridiculing us
[25:50] Speaker 1: now because we support trump or whatever the thing is
[25:53] Speaker 1: we we still included them in the film because we
[25:55] Speaker 1: believe they all have an important piece of the puzzle
[25:57] Speaker 1: so when you get to the end of the film
[26:00] Speaker 1: um we do uh you know, soldiers of truth. It's
[26:03] Speaker 1: a segment called soldiers of truth, and they all have
[26:07] Speaker 1: a cameo there. And then you get to the credits
[26:09] Speaker 1: and alongside the credits is this compilation reel of everybody
[26:13] Speaker 1: that's been on our show. That's talked about this. And
[26:15] Speaker 1: those people, a lot of those people don't talk to
[26:18] Speaker 1: us anymore, unfortunately, because of certain rumors that they've chosen
[26:21] Speaker 1: to believe. And a few, a few, a few. But
[26:26] Speaker 1: what I'm saying is it's there, and we still believe
[26:30] Speaker 1: in everybody. They all have a piece of the puzzle.
[26:33] Speaker 1: Despite what has happened and what people choose to believe
[26:36] Speaker 1: in or not, we believe at some level these people
[26:40] Speaker 1: were authentic about what they were sharing, and we included
[26:44] Speaker 1: that at the end of the film.
[26:45] Speaker 2: Talk about the highest integrity, and I've always said that
[26:48] Speaker 2: about you guys, and that just shows so much about
[26:55] Speaker 2: the films you do, the events that you put on,
[26:57] Speaker 2: these are the greatest events that I go to. Absolutely.
[27:01] Speaker 2: And there's just that higher mind and soul-centered perspective and
[27:08] Speaker 2: embodiment that just comes through all the time. So when
[27:15] Speaker 2: you're not just entangled in the divide and conquer or
[27:18] Speaker 2: the blame game or the pointing fingers and you're just
[27:21] Speaker 2: focused on the goal, you know, it's like, You're there
[27:24] Speaker 2: and come and go as you please, but you're going
[27:26] Speaker 2: to stay solid no matter what. And that takes so
[27:29] Speaker 2: much in the world that we're in today. So I
[27:32] Speaker 2: so appreciate that about you guys. How do you think
[27:35] Speaker 2: this is going to... Because this is groundbreaking. This is groundbreaking.
[27:38] Speaker 2: Every in-depth thought that you've had behind it, every detail
[27:44] Speaker 2: that you've paid so much attention to, the intention behind it,
[27:48] Speaker 2: and the content is literally... going to open so many
[27:52] Speaker 2: people's eyes. Where do you think this is going to
[27:55] Speaker 2: take humanity? I mean, I have a feeling this is
[27:58] Speaker 2: going to spread. This is going to dismantle so much.
[28:02] Speaker 2: What do you see happening in the aftermath of that
[28:04] Speaker 2: in terms of disclosure on a more public level coming
[28:06] Speaker 2: from our governments?
[28:08] Speaker 1: My crown just started tingling so much when you said that.
[28:13] Speaker 1: I'll take this shortly, and Aaron, you could chime in,
[28:14] Speaker 1: but I do have something to say about that. I
[28:17] Speaker 1: don't know. We do our stuff. We're not attached to
[28:20] Speaker 1: the outcome, right? And that's kind of just, we don't
[28:23] Speaker 1: have expectations. We just know what we, the story we
[28:26] Speaker 1: want to tell, what we want to create. And then
[28:29] Speaker 1: the universe takes the wheel from there. I've done sessions
[28:32] Speaker 1: with a few people along, over the years, you know,
[28:35] Speaker 1: during the making of this film, just psychic sessions. I mean, stuff,
[28:38] Speaker 1: you know, healing, Reiki, whatever. And through a few sessions,
[28:43] Speaker 1: the documentary came up and basically, in a nutshell, said
[28:49] Speaker 1: it's going to basically take Journey to Truth to the
[28:52] Speaker 1: next level. Whatever that means, it could become really big
[28:55] Speaker 1: for us. That's come through the sessions. We hope that happens,
[29:00] Speaker 1: but we're not marrying ourselves to the idea that this
[29:03] Speaker 1: thing could make us world famous or whatever. It's not
[29:06] Speaker 1: about us, though. It's about information.
[29:08] Speaker 2: It's what I love about you guys.
[29:10] Speaker 1: There's so many.
[29:12] Speaker 2: Things I love about you both. I think that.
[29:17] Speaker 1: For us in the future it's just we just keep
[29:19] Speaker 1: doing what we're doing you know and then if if
[29:21] Speaker 1: the opportunities present themselves and we'll lean into that and
[29:26] Speaker 1: that that's just how it.
[29:27] Speaker 2: Always has been yeah definitely it's just once it's out
[29:31] Speaker 2: there though and they're out on the disclosure stage of
[29:35] Speaker 2: maybe governments, something like this, people are like, what about this?
[29:39] Speaker 2: What about this? They can't just cover anything up anymore.
[29:42] Speaker 2: This is what's so incredible about having this in people's hands,
[29:47] Speaker 2: in their consciousness, that they witnessed this. They heard this.
[29:53] Speaker 2: They listened to this. They felt the energy of your
[29:56] Speaker 2: intention move through it as well. And I just feel
[30:00] Speaker 2: like there's nothing that can possibly dupe humanity. There's no
[30:04] Speaker 2: disclosure that could possibly dupe humanity when you have this
[30:08] Speaker 2: kind of contribution circulating. So, yeah, I feel like they
[30:14] Speaker 2: must be scrambling.
[30:15] Speaker 1: Like, oh, man, I need to go. them well the
[30:18] Speaker 1: the timing of it too you know it'll it'll be
[30:21] Speaker 1: divinely timed when it finally hits the streaming platforms but
[30:24] Speaker 1: it comes at a time where there is where there
[30:26] Speaker 1: are all these other hit pieces and stuff and it
[30:29] Speaker 1: seems like these big big films get made and people
[30:31] Speaker 1: are just like all right good we settled that we
[30:34] Speaker 1: said nope you know done we can move on to
[30:36] Speaker 1: the next project and then here comes this like sleeper
[30:39] Speaker 1: project that we've been sitting on for a couple years
[30:42] Speaker 1: and just It's just going to hit the streaming platforms
[30:44] Speaker 1: and it's going to force everyone to scramble. Like you said,
[30:47] Speaker 1: like they can't keep putting the fire out because it's
[30:51] Speaker 1: the truth is inevitable. And, you know, so that's really
[30:54] Speaker 1: interesting to me. And and in fact, a few people,
[30:58] Speaker 1: some of the feedback we've gotten, one of the guys
[31:01] Speaker 1: here in Sedona, he's like, man, my dad's not even
[31:03] Speaker 1: into this stuff, but I feel like this would do
[31:05] Speaker 1: it for him. And he's going to show his dad.
[31:08] Speaker 1: He's actually going to visit his dad and sit down
[31:10] Speaker 1: and watch it with his dad this weekend. And and
[31:13] Speaker 1: then another person, she reached out and said her husband
[31:17] Speaker 1: watched it with her and her husband's not in this stuff.
[31:19] Speaker 1: And he was like she said, usually he gets up
[31:21] Speaker 1: and walks around the house. He can't pay attention. She
[31:23] Speaker 1: said he was glued for two hours. I've never seen
[31:26] Speaker 1: him do that. And he like was he was so
[31:28] Speaker 1: convinced at the end of it. She's like, thank you
[31:31] Speaker 1: so much, because that's been a disconnect in their marriage. And.
[31:35] Speaker 3: That's amazing.
[31:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. So like it's impacting people already on that level.
[31:40] Speaker 1: So I feel like you could show this to a
[31:42] Speaker 1: family member because so many things are changing right now.
[31:45] Speaker 1: A lot of this stuff, these concepts would have been
[31:47] Speaker 1: just out there years ago, but something like, you know,
[31:50] Speaker 1: secret space program, even time travel and stuff, it's just
[31:53] Speaker 1: kind of not so hard to believe anymore because the
[31:55] Speaker 1: world is changing in the hive mind, the collective, the
[31:58] Speaker 1: hundredth monkey effect. It's literally in the air now.
[32:01] Speaker 3: So it's, Our government's talking about UFOs and ETs all
[32:05] Speaker 3: the time in the last few years. Age of Disclosure
[32:07] Speaker 3: just came out, which is a controlled narrative. They're trying
[32:11] Speaker 3: to still control the narrative. And that's one of the
[32:14] Speaker 3: things I love about this is we're going, even as
[32:18] Speaker 3: conservative from our point of view as this film is,
[32:21] Speaker 3: it's still way out of the box of the controlled narrative.
[32:24] Speaker 2: I love that. I'm glad you said that.
[32:25] Speaker 3: It's way out of the box of the controlled narrative.
[32:27] Speaker 3: It's stuff they do not want people knowing about, right?
[32:32] Speaker 3: especially like the free energy and, you know, information like, Hey,
[32:35] Speaker 3: we have all this advanced tech. It's not, you know,
[32:38] Speaker 3: and it's, it's like, we've had it for a long
[32:40] Speaker 3: time and this has been going on for a long
[32:43] Speaker 3: time because part of the controlled narrative is they try
[32:45] Speaker 3: to keep everything in the 21st century. They try to
[32:47] Speaker 3: get you to forget the entire history of ufology, the
[32:49] Speaker 3: entire history of disclosure or the entire, you know, basically
[32:53] Speaker 3: anything that was, In the 20th century or earlier, they
[32:57] Speaker 3: try to kind of keep everything like, oh, this is
[32:59] Speaker 3: just now happening or we're just now, you know, studying
[33:03] Speaker 3: this and taking it seriously.
[33:04] Speaker 2: Right, right. Or like trying to hear if there's other
[33:07] Speaker 2: life out there.
[33:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Because they're because part of that, I feel
[33:11] Speaker 3: like is is trying to get you to think. that
[33:17] Speaker 3: there hasn't been a coverup. There hasn't been agendas going
[33:20] Speaker 3: on for a long time. The same people that are
[33:22] Speaker 3: telling you, Oh, we're just now. And we don't know
[33:25] Speaker 3: what it is. Keep it ambiguous. Keep it like, we
[33:27] Speaker 3: don't really know what's going on and no one really does.
[33:29] Speaker 3: And we're trying to figure it out, but we kind
[33:31] Speaker 3: of know, kind of know what it is and it's
[33:33] Speaker 3: the threat. And like, you know, it's like this very
[33:36] Speaker 3: control and everything is so compartmentalized that, you know, a
[33:39] Speaker 3: lot of the people like in age of disclosure or
[33:41] Speaker 3: that are out there in the government or military or whatever,
[33:45] Speaker 3: talking about this, To be fair, they only know what
[33:48] Speaker 3: they know, you know, what they're told or what they're
[33:50] Speaker 3: privy to. And that's because that's how the system works.
[33:54] Speaker 3: It's all compartmentalized. And that's one of the things we
[33:55] Speaker 3: touch on in the film is this is very compartmentalized.
[33:59] Speaker 3: And just because somebody only knows a certain amount at
[34:02] Speaker 3: one level doesn't mean they know everything. And they might
[34:04] Speaker 3: know nothing about all this deeper stuff and more advanced
[34:07] Speaker 3: stuff going on. But yeah, Age of Disclosure just came
[34:12] Speaker 3: out a few months ago, and there was all this
[34:14] Speaker 3: hype about it. And to be fair, it's great for
[34:16] Speaker 3: what it is. It's a great entry-level film, especially for
[34:19] Speaker 3: people that, like I said before, that know nothing about
[34:22] Speaker 3: any of this stuff. That's a great stepping stone. That's
[34:24] Speaker 3: a great step one. I feel like our film is
[34:27] Speaker 3: the next level from that. But I love it because
[34:29] Speaker 3: it's out of that box that they want to keep
[34:31] Speaker 3: everybody in. They want to keep everybody... They want to
[34:36] Speaker 3: keep it like, we don't really know for sure what's
[34:39] Speaker 3: going on, but we kind of do.
[34:40] Speaker 1: Well, I think that film, Age of Disclosure, is like
[34:44] Speaker 1: a perfect prerequisite for this film. Because if anyone was
[34:49] Speaker 1: on the fence about E.T. life or reverse engineered technology...
[34:53] Speaker 1: Now they've came out and disclosed that. That's not, you're
[34:56] Speaker 1: not putting that back. So we don't have to, that
[34:58] Speaker 1: part of the job is done for us.
[34:59] Speaker 3: So many people, right. It's not taboo anymore to talk
[35:02] Speaker 3: about ETs and UFOs and advanced technology and all that
[35:05] Speaker 3: kind of stuff. It's like now it's almost like the
[35:10] Speaker 3: opposite where if you don't believe to some degree in
[35:13] Speaker 3: that stuff, you'll be the weird one, you know? So
[35:16] Speaker 3: it's great that like now it's a perfect time for
[35:19] Speaker 3: us to release this film. I feel like if we
[35:21] Speaker 3: would have released this five years ago or longer, I
[35:23] Speaker 3: don't think it would have landed. I don't think it
[35:25] Speaker 3: would have, would go that far.
[35:27] Speaker 2: Right. Really good point. Cause some people had to kind
[35:29] Speaker 2: of fall away a bit, even though it created a
[35:33] Speaker 2: lot of confusion that had to live its course so that, yeah. And,
[35:38] Speaker 2: and so people can reflect upon that with, with testimony that,
[35:41] Speaker 2: I mean, it just grounds everything and it sets the
[35:44] Speaker 2: foundation to move forward. And you did this right at
[35:46] Speaker 2: a full moon with a stellium of planets and Capricorn
[35:49] Speaker 2: and Mars, Mercury, Sun.
[35:51] Speaker 1: I didn't even know that.
[35:52] Speaker 3: We didn't even try to do that. Venus, Pluto.
[35:54] Speaker 2: It's one of the major timeline shift alignments for what's
[35:58] Speaker 2: ahead that grounds and anchors the future we want to see.
[36:01] Speaker 2: And if we're aware of that, if we're coherent in
[36:04] Speaker 2: regards to that, then it's a game changer versus being
[36:08] Speaker 2: unconscious and still being hooked into some distortion or inversion
[36:12] Speaker 2: out there. So you guys really, really were beyond in
[36:17] Speaker 2: the timing range.
[36:18] Speaker 1: That was all by chance or not, but we didn't
[36:21] Speaker 1: intentionally do it.
[36:23] Speaker 3: That was divinely orchestrated because we did not try to
[36:25] Speaker 3: do that at all.
[36:26] Speaker 2: And when you think of dark Saturn, this is flipping
[36:30] Speaker 2: the script to bring it to the higher octave of Saturn,
[36:33] Speaker 2: which is self-mastery, discernment, all of that good stuff. So
[36:38] Speaker 2: what can you speak on about what experiencers and those
[36:42] Speaker 2: that have been in these programs are still experiencing? you know,
[36:45] Speaker 2: dealing with, you know, in their trauma recovery? What can
[36:47] Speaker 2: you speak to us about the trauma and what so many,
[36:51] Speaker 2: you know, go through and the understanding we need in
[36:55] Speaker 2: their healing process? Because, you know, there might still be
[36:58] Speaker 2: alters or deep state influences that are trying to get
[37:04] Speaker 2: in there.
[37:05] Speaker 1: Yes. And we can speak to this. I know I can't,
[37:08] Speaker 1: I can't speak for Aaron, but I can speak to
[37:09] Speaker 1: it personally because I've, I know, and I'm friends with,
[37:15] Speaker 1: many of the people in the film who are experiencers.
[37:17] Speaker 1: And they all have some form of PTSD, some more
[37:21] Speaker 1: extreme than others. And the more you spend time with them,
[37:25] Speaker 1: the more you talk to these people, get to know
[37:27] Speaker 1: them on a personal level, you see how this has
[37:30] Speaker 1: impacted their lives. And it might not even be apparent
[37:33] Speaker 1: to them, but I can see it from the outside
[37:35] Speaker 1: looking in. And it's done some damage. You know, there's
[37:39] Speaker 1: a psychological damage that's been done whenever you have memories
[37:42] Speaker 1: from another lifetime of that don't fit into this lifetime.
[37:47] Speaker 1: Your brain has been fractured and fragmented, and you quite
[37:49] Speaker 1: literally have alters, and there are things that happen in
[37:52] Speaker 1: your life. And this isn't a theory. Everyone has alters.
[37:56] Speaker 1: Mainstream science and psychology talks about alters. They say by
[38:00] Speaker 1: the age of 16, the average person has about 12 alters.
[38:04] Speaker 1: And what an alter is, is an alternate personality. If
[38:07] Speaker 1: you've ever been traumatized in your life, and you you
[38:11] Speaker 1: find yourself in a situation that reminds you of that trauma.
[38:15] Speaker 1: It shifts you into a portion of your brain that
[38:18] Speaker 1: responded a certain way when that trauma happened. And you actually,
[38:22] Speaker 1: it can be literally labeled as a different personality. But
[38:25] Speaker 1: whenever you actually master that and you experiment with that
[38:29] Speaker 1: and you can create an entirely different personality that the
[38:31] Speaker 1: other version, half of your brain doesn't remember. I've been
[38:35] Speaker 1: around some of these people where I think I see
[38:37] Speaker 1: two different versions of them. And it's scary, but it's
[38:42] Speaker 1: also intriguing. And I think it's proof that this stuff
[38:44] Speaker 1: is actually happening. So when you're around these people long enough,
[38:48] Speaker 1: you can see things in their environment or watch them shift.
[38:52] Speaker 1: And you can really see how it's impacted them. And
[38:55] Speaker 1: what it's done for me is made me realize how,
[38:59] Speaker 1: first of all, traumatic and tragic this story actually is.
[39:03] Speaker 1: Because it's actually, these people necessarily aren't okay. If they
[39:07] Speaker 1: were programmed once, they're still susceptible to the programming unless
[39:11] Speaker 1: they've gone on a deep healing journey, which very few
[39:13] Speaker 1: of them have. And they find themselves perpetuating this victimhood
[39:19] Speaker 1: and stuff like that. We see it all the time.
[39:21] Speaker 1: And it's not their fault because this is just what's
[39:23] Speaker 1: happened to them. And whenever you're stuck in that and
[39:26] Speaker 1: no one's out there properly teaching you how to deal
[39:28] Speaker 1: with these emotions and these memories and all stuff then
[39:31] Speaker 1: and there's really no support system then what are you
[39:33] Speaker 1: going to do besides turn to your vices and go
[39:36] Speaker 1: crazy and start blaming other people in your lives for
[39:39] Speaker 1: the things that you know that you're mad at yourself
[39:41] Speaker 1: about or whatever it is this is what it looks
[39:43] Speaker 1: like and and a lot of these people have their
[39:46] Speaker 1: families don't talk to them anymore and Even their husbands
[39:50] Speaker 1: and wives sometimes, their kids, when they decide to share
[39:54] Speaker 1: their stories and their memories. So we're looking at damaged people.
[39:59] Speaker 1: And this is the reality of the situation. And we
[40:01] Speaker 1: could have got into a whole layer of that in
[40:03] Speaker 1: the film. There's just not enough time. It's a two-hour
[40:05] Speaker 1: film already. But that is an important part of this.
[40:10] Speaker 1: And I don't think people consider that. So I don't
[40:14] Speaker 1: know if... I have any advice besides just hold space
[40:18] Speaker 1: for these people and show them love through that and
[40:22] Speaker 1: understand that they have been abused and they've been traumatized.
[40:27] Speaker 1: And what we're seeing is a byproduct of these programs.
[40:30] Speaker 1: And sometimes they have physical ailments that I believe are
[40:33] Speaker 1: a byproduct of age regression technology, which James Rink unfortunately
[40:38] Speaker 1: just passed away and if his testimony, what he claims
[40:41] Speaker 1: happened to him is true, his physical body absolutely showed
[40:46] Speaker 1: evidence of that programming of that abuse that he suffered.
[40:50] Speaker 1: So these are things.
[40:52] Speaker 3: He was very, very young.
[40:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[40:56] Speaker 3: You know, and I know things happen, even people that
[40:58] Speaker 3: young technically, but you know, it lines up, I hate
[41:03] Speaker 3: to say, but it lines up with if everything he
[41:05] Speaker 3: said about his stories is true or even part of
[41:08] Speaker 3: it is true, you know, it makes sense that that
[41:11] Speaker 3: would take a massive toll on somebody physically. And then
[41:15] Speaker 3: they might, you know, that might happen. And that's exactly
[41:18] Speaker 3: what seemed to happen to him.
[41:21] Speaker 2: We miss you, James, and rest in peace. Yes. And
[41:25] Speaker 2: Andrew Bishago, I mean, he's legally blind. He's got also
[41:28] Speaker 2: physical symptoms.
[41:30] Speaker 3: Exactly. Exactly.
[41:32] Speaker 2: I mean, I know alters like what you're saying, you know,
[41:35] Speaker 2: the average person, but, um, Would you say the difference, though,
[41:40] Speaker 2: is that the fracturing is to embed programmings connected to
[41:47] Speaker 2: doing deep state operations? Like they use what would naturally
[41:51] Speaker 2: occur when a trauma happens in order to weaponize it.
[41:54] Speaker 2: Can you kind of help us to understand.
[41:55] Speaker 1: That, maybe? Yeah, I mean, this is a complex subject.
[42:00] Speaker 1: But absolutely, if somebody still hasn't altered, it hasn't been integrated...
[42:05] Speaker 1: meaning they haven't fully understood that they even have an
[42:08] Speaker 1: alter and that something in their life can trigger that
[42:11] Speaker 1: alter or a certain buzzword, then that can be weaponized
[42:15] Speaker 1: against them. And they can literally, this creates a sociopath,
[42:19] Speaker 1: somebody with two, you know, different personalities or DID, dissociative
[42:23] Speaker 1: identity disorder. This is a real issue that, you know,
[42:28] Speaker 1: The medical field just, you know, throws pills at you.
[42:32] Speaker 1: And even a psychologist might not be able to, or
[42:34] Speaker 1: a psychiatrist, maybe not be able to help you because
[42:37] Speaker 1: they're not read in on these programs. They don't understand
[42:40] Speaker 1: this stuff. That's so out there for them. They don't
[42:42] Speaker 1: know what to do besides call you crazy and, you know,
[42:45] Speaker 1: throw a pill at you or put you even in
[42:47] Speaker 1: an institute. Are you going to say something, Laura?
[42:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have certain... people that are deep state
[42:54] Speaker 2: kind of own that do a false memory thing where
[42:56] Speaker 2: they literally will so keep going yeah i just wanted.
[42:59] Speaker 1: To yeah so well that's what i was getting at
[43:00] Speaker 1: so when you weaponize one of these alters you can
[43:03] Speaker 1: program it with false memories or screen memories that you
[43:08] Speaker 1: don't understand actually didn't happen because you're constantly living in
[43:13] Speaker 1: two worlds at once and it's a very sad thing
[43:17] Speaker 1: because you know unfortunately some of the accusations about us
[43:21] Speaker 1: you know it without saying too much, um, seem to
[43:24] Speaker 1: be come from something like that. It's so hilariously out there. Like,
[43:30] Speaker 1: you know, it's baseless.
[43:32] Speaker 3: But they seem very like a hundred percent convinced that
[43:35] Speaker 3: it's true. And we're like, where are you getting this?
[43:38] Speaker 3: You know?
[43:38] Speaker 2: And the problem is it seems to be a mixed
[43:39] Speaker 2: bag because there's that. And there's also the denial of
[43:42] Speaker 2: certain things happening. Like a lot of SRA survivors, if
[43:45] Speaker 2: they go to therapy, they'll say those, those things didn't happen.
[43:47] Speaker 2: And then you've got the other, the, the, The other side,
[43:51] Speaker 2: the other extreme that you're talking about for sure.
[43:54] Speaker 3: It's like, I think what you were saying is like
[43:58] Speaker 3: real memories, like, like SRA, like.
[44:03] Speaker 2: They can implant things. Like if they're wanting to target
[44:06] Speaker 2: you to stop you from what you're doing. There's a
[44:08] Speaker 2: susceptibility to that, perhaps.
[44:10] Speaker 3: Right. There was a big push for like, oh, we'll
[44:12] Speaker 3: just say all these people's real experiences were false memories.
[44:16] Speaker 3: You know, we'll label it and push that on the
[44:18] Speaker 3: public so that no one takes them seriously. And then
[44:20] Speaker 3: we can drug them and put them in a in
[44:22] Speaker 3: a psych ward, you know. So, yeah, there's that, too.
[44:24] Speaker 3: And then, Tyler, what you're saying is also so those
[44:26] Speaker 3: two things are both are both very real. Yeah.
[44:29] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[44:30] Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, just discernment and just when
[44:34] Speaker 2: it comes to anybody's testimonies and what anybody has to say.
[44:38] Speaker 2: It's like that all needs to be sort of out
[44:41] Speaker 2: there somewhere else to be dealt with. It's not for
[44:45] Speaker 2: public consumption, for more division, more fragmentation, more needing to
[44:49] Speaker 2: choose sides. And I love the way you guys handled
[44:52] Speaker 2: it because you weren't looking, you know, to get immersed
[44:55] Speaker 2: in it. You just held your ground. And so many times,
[44:59] Speaker 2: you know, in this community, you find that the divide
[45:01] Speaker 2: and conquer and the competitions or the war is really
[45:05] Speaker 2: playing out.
[45:05] Speaker 3: And.
[45:06] Speaker 2: And, and, and you guys just don't engage in that. And,
[45:09] Speaker 2: you know, the truth wins and I, and, but it's
[45:12] Speaker 2: not the priority to get, you know, sucked into, you know,
[45:16] Speaker 2: some of this, right. I mean, you know, people that
[45:18] Speaker 2: go along with that, that I'm a pedophile and a Satan,
[45:21] Speaker 2: you know, that, that people are putting videos out about
[45:24] Speaker 2: no evidence, you know, I have nothing to hide. Like,
[45:27] Speaker 2: like you can take my computer. It's like the opposite
[45:29] Speaker 2: of Hunter Biden. And yeah, like, I mean, so I've
[45:33] Speaker 2: experienced it too.
[45:34] Speaker 1: It's, it's messed up.
[45:37] Speaker 3: Oh, we've been on the receiving end of that as well.
[45:39] Speaker 1: Right. But here's the thing. The reason I think this
[45:43] Speaker 1: happens at the highest level is obviously it's all weaponized
[45:47] Speaker 1: against us to destroy this movement and us and our
[45:50] Speaker 1: credibilities and stuff. And to make you just want to
[45:52] Speaker 1: throw in the towel, just give up. Obviously, we're too stubborn.
[45:57] Speaker 1: We would never do that. But also, they want you
[46:00] Speaker 1: to engage. They know that you're not going to be
[46:02] Speaker 1: able to bite your tongue about some of this stuff.
[46:04] Speaker 1: And as soon as you do, which we all do,
[46:06] Speaker 1: we all take the bait at some point. But as
[46:08] Speaker 1: soon as you do, now you're like sucked into that
[46:10] Speaker 1: lower frequency and they got you. And then you got
[46:13] Speaker 1: to like, find your way, call your way back.
[46:15] Speaker 3: And then it's like this.
[46:17] Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's really no reasoning with these people at
[46:21] Speaker 1: that point. So what we decided is like, we know
[46:25] Speaker 1: it's true. And if people, our door is open, if
[46:27] Speaker 1: anyone wants to reach out to us and ask us
[46:29] Speaker 1: what happened and ask us questions and spend time with us, whatever,
[46:34] Speaker 1: like we're willing to, we're willing to do that, but
[46:36] Speaker 1: we're not going to go out there and defend us.
[46:38] Speaker 1: ourselves against something that's so ridiculous that it just doesn't
[46:42] Speaker 1: make sense. It doesn't even make sense to put energy
[46:45] Speaker 1: into it. If we put energy into it, we're actually
[46:48] Speaker 1: doing what they want. We're giving them that reaction that
[46:51] Speaker 1: they were looking for.
[46:52] Speaker 2: That's time and energy away from these projects, focusing on
[46:56] Speaker 2: events because it's taken so much focus and so much
[46:58] Speaker 2: dedication to do what you do. It can really hurt
[47:01] Speaker 2: when something is out there that's misrepresenting you. It takes
[47:06] Speaker 2: a certain level of mastery and you guys really have
[47:09] Speaker 2: that to just keep, keep going, keep, keep your focus
[47:14] Speaker 2: solid on, on what matters most.
[47:15] Speaker 1: So, yeah. And it helps to have, thank you. And
[47:19] Speaker 1: it helps to have strong people in your life as
[47:20] Speaker 1: a support system too. Because like, I will say this
[47:24] Speaker 1: right here. Like, yeah, I can take this stuff a
[47:27] Speaker 1: little harder than Aaron sometimes. And, you know, sometimes it
[47:32] Speaker 1: might be more personalized towards me than Aaron, but Aaron is,
[47:35] Speaker 1: I'll like, I'll reach out to him or call him.
[47:38] Speaker 1: And he'll talk me off the edge, talk me off
[47:40] Speaker 1: the ledge.
[47:42] Speaker 3: Or frame it in the context of where it's coming from.
[47:45] Speaker 1: He helps me remember, like he helps, he helps ground
[47:48] Speaker 1: me and remember like, no, this is bullshit. Like you're like,
[47:51] Speaker 1: stop feeding into it, whatever. And so many times he's
[47:54] Speaker 1: played that role for me and then probably vice versa.
[47:56] Speaker 3: And I've gotten triggered as well though. I'm not immune
[47:58] Speaker 3: to it, but you know, and it's easy to do,
[48:02] Speaker 3: you know, but, but the, the key is to like,
[48:05] Speaker 3: catch yourself when you do it and, and try to
[48:07] Speaker 3: build a habit of, of, um, it's not that you don't,
[48:11] Speaker 3: you know, you, you listen to everyone, but if you're
[48:15] Speaker 3: seeing somebody that's clearly just attacking because they, they're triggered
[48:20] Speaker 3: by you or whatever, your information or whatever, and they're
[48:23] Speaker 3: just a troll basically, or they're just trying to get you,
[48:26] Speaker 3: get to you, trying to push your buttons, like get
[48:29] Speaker 3: you to take the bait. Like Tyler said, that's a demon. Um,
[48:31] Speaker 3: if you can get to the point where you don't
[48:34] Speaker 3: take the bait, And what we found is that, you know, somebody,
[48:39] Speaker 3: if you're going to respond, it needs to be something
[48:41] Speaker 3: worth responding to. Otherwise they're just trying to get you
[48:44] Speaker 3: to take the bait. And if you even respond at
[48:46] Speaker 3: all in any other way than like sending them like, Hey,
[48:51] Speaker 3: you know, I love you still. Or, Oh, that's interesting.
[48:55] Speaker 3: Or like something that's like totally out of left field
[48:58] Speaker 3: from what they want you to respond. And that's it maybe.
[49:02] Speaker 3: And most will do that, but like, or you just
[49:03] Speaker 3: ignore them and then you're not feeding them that energy
[49:06] Speaker 3: that they're trying to get from you, get you caught
[49:07] Speaker 3: in that energy vortex.
[49:09] Speaker 1: Right.
[49:09] Speaker 3: Because they're trying to pull you down to that. And
[49:12] Speaker 3: then it's like, I think there's entities working through these
[49:15] Speaker 3: people that are feeding off of that loose, you know, that,
[49:18] Speaker 3: that energy and they're trying to get you to feed. them.
[49:20] Speaker 1: Right.
[49:21] Speaker 3: You just ignore them. They stop, they go away because.
[49:23] Speaker 1: You're not feeding. In fact that, you know, one of
[49:26] Speaker 1: the people out there, and this is probably going to
[49:28] Speaker 1: annoy people that we're not naming names, but we're not
[49:30] Speaker 1: doing that intentionally. And if you were involved in this firsthand,
[49:33] Speaker 1: you would understand why. But one of the people out there,
[49:38] Speaker 1: that's probably said some of the worst stuff about us.
[49:40] Speaker 1: We still love this person to death and we pray
[49:43] Speaker 1: for them, send them love. And, and, and just, I
[49:47] Speaker 1: would love, I get doors open if you're listening any
[49:50] Speaker 1: day for a conversation, but unfortunately when you're dealing with
[49:54] Speaker 1: alters and entities and stuff, you're not talking to the
[49:57] Speaker 1: original person most of the time anymore. And it's kind
[50:00] Speaker 1: of scary and more sad than that. So yeah, I
[50:03] Speaker 1: understand that these people have been abused and this is
[50:06] Speaker 1: the byproduct of that. And so we just send them love.
[50:10] Speaker 1: Like we could easily get mad and frame this person
[50:13] Speaker 1: and paint them as the enemy for all eternity. And
[50:15] Speaker 1: what good does that do? You know? So it's been
[50:19] Speaker 1: a lesson for us too. Like these have been lesson
[50:22] Speaker 1: after lesson as far as, okay, how do we keep going?
[50:26] Speaker 1: Like how, how can we just keep going without this
[50:28] Speaker 1: knocking us off the tracks, you know, and stay stable and,
[50:32] Speaker 1: and continue to be a voice of reason for this
[50:35] Speaker 1: subject and many other subjects. But I realize that, in particular,
[50:40] Speaker 1: we can go down all the rabbit holes, but this
[50:43] Speaker 1: one in particular, it seems like there's some, I would
[50:46] Speaker 1: just say, three-letter agencies behind a lot of the pushback
[50:50] Speaker 1: that just simply don't want it out. Because that blows
[50:56] Speaker 1: the lid off of everything if this truth ever gets out.
[50:59] Speaker 2: And this is the really.
[51:03] Speaker 1: The war on consciousness.
[51:04] Speaker 2: And I always redundantly say we have to win the
[51:07] Speaker 2: war from within because there's an attack on every aspect
[51:10] Speaker 2: of who we are when we stand for truth. And
[51:14] Speaker 2: we're breaking this necessary information. What I love about you
[51:18] Speaker 2: guys is you have the integration of the disclosure, all
[51:22] Speaker 2: these hidden elements, but it's fully soul-centered, which is the
[51:26] Speaker 2: path of ascension. So it's not compartmentalized. It's not missing anything.
[51:31] Speaker 2: that is so necessary, you know, the humility as well, uh, with,
[51:34] Speaker 2: with tremendous knowledge, um, and, and so much, uh, to, to,
[51:41] Speaker 2: you know, show in your archives and, and just reveal
[51:43] Speaker 2: to people, it's, it's a huge, huge resource that, that
[51:46] Speaker 2: people can count on in these times without, um, losing
[51:50] Speaker 2: the sense of, um, connection and, and progress in the
[51:55] Speaker 2: development of healing and coming together in a unified way. And,
[51:58] Speaker 2: and you don't see those two necessarily, uh, working, um,
[52:02] Speaker 2: in such an integrated way out there. And, and to me,
[52:05] Speaker 2: it's leading by example and, you know, talk about some serious,
[52:08] Speaker 2: you know, spirit warriors that you guys are. And it's like,
[52:10] Speaker 2: I was kind of joking in my head before getting
[52:13] Speaker 2: on this, like the dynamic duo, like, you know, just
[52:15] Speaker 2: galactic heart-based disclosure, um, the whole shebang. Um, and you've
[52:21] Speaker 2: always made me feel like through all my ups and downs.
[52:24] Speaker 2: And when I was taking things a little bit too
[52:27] Speaker 2: hard and just up against all that I've been up against.
[52:29] Speaker 2: You guys have remained really solid in my life and
[52:31] Speaker 2: just such incredible friends. And I'm so grateful for that.
[52:34] Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Thank you.
[52:36] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[52:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[52:37] Speaker 2: And we have these incredible events coming up. All the
[52:39] Speaker 2: events that you do are wonderful. We're going to be
[52:41] Speaker 2: swimming with the dolphins. And before we get to that, we'll,
[52:45] Speaker 2: we'll talk a little bit about that before we close.
[52:49] Speaker 2: Where do you feel, you know, this kind of architecture
[52:52] Speaker 2: of the SSP is, is, it's kind of going, um,
[52:56] Speaker 2: there's positive elements in it and there's a very, um,
[53:01] Speaker 2: like the war is playing out like beyond this earth.
[53:04] Speaker 1: Right.
[53:04] Speaker 2: But this documentary is earth based. How, how do we
[53:06] Speaker 2: connect the kind of dots or see the ads above
[53:10] Speaker 2: so below or the so below as above connection?
[53:14] Speaker 1: Um, well, if I understand your question properly, which.
[53:18] Speaker 2: I didn't frame very well, but yeah, um, yeah.
[53:21] Speaker 1: Um, Well, what– so where do I see it going,
[53:26] Speaker 1: the SSP in general?
[53:27] Speaker 2: Like how– Like there's– the darkest parts of it, there's
[53:32] Speaker 2: things– there's elements to the SSP that are not out
[53:38] Speaker 2: to manipulate or enslave humanity.
[53:41] Speaker 1: Right. So I think– It's complex. It's so complex. The
[53:45] Speaker 1: documentary should have been six hours long. So to understand
[53:50] Speaker 1: what's happening and the dark elements of this, you've got
[53:53] Speaker 1: to start with human trafficking and abductions and technologies that
[53:56] Speaker 1: aren't supposed to exist. In fact, that's the one thing
[53:59] Speaker 1: I appreciate about Stephen Greer. He matter-of-factly said in one
[54:03] Speaker 1: of his interviews or one of his little disclosure drops
[54:05] Speaker 1: that they have reverse-engineered technology that they're using to traffic children.
[54:11] Speaker 1: I mean, he straight up said that from military bases
[54:14] Speaker 1: that like that was a big bombshell. I don't care
[54:17] Speaker 1: for who that comes from. Like it's but it meant
[54:20] Speaker 1: more coming from Greer, no matter what you think of him.
[54:23] Speaker 1: So this is it comes down to human trafficking and
[54:26] Speaker 1: all the trafficking. And that's why I think what Trump
[54:29] Speaker 1: is doing right now with the border stuff and Maduro
[54:32] Speaker 1: and stopping this cartel and basically cutting off this traffic,
[54:36] Speaker 1: like really targeting the human trafficking, that is literally the
[54:40] Speaker 1: foundation for the slave labor that's used in the secret
[54:44] Speaker 1: space program. People call it the galactic slave trade, where
[54:49] Speaker 1: they traffic these 800,000 missing children every year. They're probably
[54:54] Speaker 1: being used for a number of reasons, but one reason
[54:56] Speaker 1: would be for off-planet. And so I think that the
[55:01] Speaker 1: darker side of this may never be exposed overtly. But
[55:05] Speaker 1: if you know what to look for, you see it
[55:07] Speaker 1: being cleaned up right now. And it's it's not ever
[55:11] Speaker 1: going to be that clear, I don't think, because it's
[55:13] Speaker 1: an international scandal. These people have blood on their hands.
[55:16] Speaker 1: They're not going to come out like you can't arrest everybody.
[55:20] Speaker 1: It's like you can, but it'll undermine the whole country.
[55:23] Speaker 1: You know, so or, you know, and more or the.
[55:26] Speaker 3: Full truth is so dark. and disgusting. I mean, for
[55:31] Speaker 3: the dark aspects of it, that like who, who's going
[55:35] Speaker 3: to come out and say that, you know, to the
[55:37] Speaker 3: world and who's going to believe it really ready. Right.
[55:40] Speaker 3: In a way of like a big public thing, like,
[55:43] Speaker 3: you know, it's being done through like our documentary and
[55:46] Speaker 3: are these ways of like the experiencers themselves are telling
[55:49] Speaker 3: their experiences and, And then, you know, I always say, like, ultimately,
[55:52] Speaker 3: we are disclosure. It's not up to governments or so-called
[55:56] Speaker 3: authorities or power. It's we are that, you know, and
[55:58] Speaker 3: that's been the whole trick all along is to get
[56:00] Speaker 3: us to think we have to give our power away
[56:03] Speaker 3: to governments and so-called authorities to tell us the truth
[56:06] Speaker 3: or to tell us what's real. And it's like, no,
[56:08] Speaker 3: we already– We're awakening. We're finding out the truth for ourselves.
[56:13] Speaker 3: And then we don't give a crap what you say
[56:15] Speaker 3: or what you do.
[56:16] Speaker 2: And they have to answer to what we know instead
[56:17] Speaker 2: of blindly accepting whatever they throw at us.
[56:20] Speaker 3: So the real disclosure comes from us. It's not the
[56:23] Speaker 3: other way around. Like the UFO and disclosure community, it's
[56:27] Speaker 3: been propagated for so long. Oh, disclosure, disclosure. And they're
[56:29] Speaker 3: talking about it in a way of like from outside in.
[56:31] Speaker 3: It's like, no, no, no. It's inside out.
[56:32] Speaker 2: It's like Christ coming to save us.
[56:34] Speaker 1: Right.
[56:35] Speaker 2: Not supposed to be externalized like.
[56:37] Speaker 3: You said exactly and the dark aspects you know only
[56:41] Speaker 3: so many people are ready to understand that can like
[56:44] Speaker 3: are spiritually healthy enough at this point in time to
[56:48] Speaker 3: to understand how dark you know so much goes on
[56:51] Speaker 3: on this planet and off and and not send them
[56:55] Speaker 3: to the hospital or a mental institution or or or
[56:59] Speaker 3: commit suicide or who know you know because they can't
[57:01] Speaker 3: handle it right um but i do think we're at
[57:05] Speaker 3: a point in time where more way more can come
[57:08] Speaker 3: out now than ever before. And people can handle it. Um,
[57:13] Speaker 3: but still there has to be a process, but it's
[57:15] Speaker 3: still not, the process is not, let's sit on our
[57:17] Speaker 3: butt and wait for the government or authorities to tell
[57:21] Speaker 3: us the truth. Like, that's why I love that we're,
[57:24] Speaker 3: we did this documentary and that we do the work
[57:25] Speaker 3: we do because we're, we're not waiting for disclosure. We're,
[57:29] Speaker 3: we're actively trying to, you know, Be a part of
[57:33] Speaker 3: this ongoing disclosure that's already been happening for a long
[57:36] Speaker 3: time and is ramping up more and more every day.
[57:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[57:39] Speaker 1: And one of the comments that we got reviews from
[57:43] Speaker 1: the film was like, this documentary is proof that we
[57:45] Speaker 1: are disclosure. And that meant so much to me because
[57:49] Speaker 1: literally I thought about it. I'm like, it's true because
[57:52] Speaker 1: if it does gain traction out there and make an impact,
[57:56] Speaker 1: it's from weed. Like it didn't like we did this,
[57:58] Speaker 1: you know, and, you know, there's moments like that. Some
[58:01] Speaker 1: of the reviews, I mean, they're just I've actually screenshotted
[58:04] Speaker 1: a few of them. They've been so amazing, so kind
[58:08] Speaker 1: beyond what I was expecting. People have already watched it
[58:11] Speaker 1: a few times. I mean, it's just it's just, you know,
[58:15] Speaker 1: been amazing, rewarding. At the very least, it's been so
[58:19] Speaker 1: rewarding already. It was worth all the hardships. time and
[58:22] Speaker 1: money you know this is all out of our out
[58:25] Speaker 1: of pocket for us you know there's nobody funding this
[58:27] Speaker 1: there's no one.
[58:28] Speaker 3: Yeah it's just tyler and i doing everything we don't
[58:32] Speaker 3: have a manager we don't have outside funding other than
[58:36] Speaker 3: just what we you know naturally get um yeah we
[58:39] Speaker 3: we just do everything diy.
[58:41] Speaker 1: On our own well i realized early on trying to
[58:45] Speaker 1: bring other people in It's not actually the best thing,
[58:49] Speaker 1: if you want to say, in integrity, because everybody wants
[58:52] Speaker 1: a piece of something that you have. A lot of
[58:55] Speaker 1: people come in and they want to help do this
[58:57] Speaker 1: for us or that, but to what end? There's something
[59:01] Speaker 1: in it for them.
[59:01] Speaker 3: And you kind of give up your sovereignty to a
[59:05] Speaker 3: degree the more and more you do things like that,
[59:07] Speaker 3: I feel like.
[59:07] Speaker 2: Right.
[59:08] Speaker 1: And the way you do it but exactly so it's
[59:11] Speaker 1: always been just like we control everything that comes out
[59:14] Speaker 1: through journey to truth and um it's not because we're
[59:17] Speaker 1: control freaks it's because we like we want to stay
[59:21] Speaker 1: in integrity and our message has to come from us
[59:24] Speaker 1: Like any post that's made or anything that goes out there,
[59:28] Speaker 1: people know our energy. And they'll know if we have
[59:33] Speaker 1: a marketing team putting it out all of a sudden
[59:35] Speaker 1: and not us. They'll know it's going to be different.
[59:38] Speaker 1: And I think the magic behind what we do is
[59:40] Speaker 1: that it is us. And there's no one else. There's
[59:43] Speaker 1: no secretary. We respond to the emails. Not timely always, but,
[59:46] Speaker 1: you know.
[59:47] Speaker 3: Our agents are like, oh, talk to my agent. Yeah, yeah.
[59:52] Speaker 2: I can relate. I mean, I don't have any of
[59:53] Speaker 2: that either. People are like, well, can you get this
[59:55] Speaker 2: message to Laura? Or can you please tell Laura this?
[59:57] Speaker 2: I'm like, this is Laura. It's me. I've learned all
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: my tech stuff.
[1:00:02] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: That's amazing. I love that about you guys, and it's incredible.
[1:00:07] Speaker 3: I love that about you as well.
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: Thank you. I mean, and you just kind of learned
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: this as you went along. Or do you have a
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: background in this?
[1:00:14] Speaker 1: No, no. It's all learned the hard way, every step
[1:00:16] Speaker 1: of the way.
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: Every step of the way. Yeah, we've learned. We started
[1:00:20] Speaker 3: out from literally it felt like zero of like knowing
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: nothing about how to do a show or I mean,
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: we knew about the subjects a little bit, but nothing
[1:00:28] Speaker 3: about how to do a show or a podcast or
[1:00:31] Speaker 3: let alone documentaries or conferences or books or anything else
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: that we've done. And we've just like learned as we've gone,
[1:00:38] Speaker 3: as we've gone, you know, and just figured stuff out
[1:00:41] Speaker 3: on our own. We've never. we could have a long
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: time ago and there've been opportunities. People have approached us and,
[1:00:46] Speaker 3: you know, we could have been hired out things to
[1:00:49] Speaker 3: people or, or we had a few times, you know,
[1:00:51] Speaker 3: somebody who's like, Hey, do you want to join our whatever?
[1:00:54] Speaker 3: And then, but then they kind of like own you
[1:00:56] Speaker 3: in a way.
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:00:58] Speaker 3: You know, and we could have done that because it
[1:01:00] Speaker 3: would have been easy. And it seems they promise you
[1:01:02] Speaker 3: the moon and all this kind of stuff. And we
[1:01:05] Speaker 3: never did. We always were like, no, we're, we're about,
[1:01:08] Speaker 3: you know, keeping our sovereignty, keeping this like, We have
[1:01:12] Speaker 3: full control of everything and we just, we want to be, um,
[1:01:16] Speaker 3: DIY and we want to just do things. On our
[1:01:20] Speaker 3: own schedule as we want to do them fully and
[1:01:23] Speaker 3: then in integrity.
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: I'll say two things to that. For one, God bless
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: the people that make YouTube tutorials.
[1:01:31] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: Seriously, I feel like I've put myself through school learning
[1:01:36] Speaker 1: how to podcast and edit film and write a book
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: by watching these tutorials that are invaluable for free.
[1:01:44] Speaker 3: Or Googling things. How do I do this? How do
[1:01:47] Speaker 3: they do that?
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: Right, right. And I already forgot the second thing I
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: was going to say, but, um, we're.
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: Getting advice from other, other friends or people in the
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: community of like, Hey, how'd you do this? How'd you
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: do that? How to show that, you know, and, and
[1:02:02] Speaker 3: being connected, you know, we're, we're, we're not isolated away. We,
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: we try to stay connected to, to, uh, friends in
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: the community and people, cause you know, we're all in
[1:02:12] Speaker 3: this together kind of thing. Oh, And then you get
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: help from people, you know, because you're not trying to
[1:02:17] Speaker 3: be like, put yourself on this pedestal where you're isolated
[1:02:20] Speaker 3: away from everyone.
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:02:21] Speaker 3: And then you don't have that.
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. And, and two, I was, I remember what
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: I was going to say. I. you know, I quit,
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: I quit my job to do this. And so I have,
[1:02:33] Speaker 1: my life is devoted to this. So there's no reason
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: that I can't handle this workload because this is all
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: I do. So if I, if I want to create
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: a thumbnail and a reel and a promo and this
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: and a doc, like that's my job. Like, i take
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: it that seriously so my schedule is literally like if
[1:02:52] Speaker 1: i don't i don't have an excuse to hire someone
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: else out like yeah sometimes the help would be nice
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: and we do get help from friends and people we
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: trust and we help others yeah but for the most
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: part like i see this like i don't there's no
[1:03:06] Speaker 1: reason we can't show up for ourselves every day and
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: do this you know so that's just where we're at
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: and I know we've been going on a little bit.
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And then you both have books. You've recently
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: put out incredible books. Uh, I'm going to share everything
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: in the description. Um, and, and yeah, before we, we,
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: we close, uh, can you tell us about the books
[1:03:28] Speaker 2: you just put out? Whoever wants to start first and,
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: and whatever brief, um, just a little description about it.
[1:03:36] Speaker 3: And that's just mine came out first.
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: Sure.
[1:03:40] Speaker 3: Um, I I've been trying to write a book for
[1:03:43] Speaker 3: like eight years and, um, trying as in like once
[1:03:47] Speaker 3: every six months, I'll like be like, Oh yeah, I
[1:03:49] Speaker 3: should start. I should work on that. And I'll write
[1:03:52] Speaker 3: like a tiny little thing and then go another six months.
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: So it wasn't, I wasn't taking it that seriously and
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: it wasn't ever super high on my priority list, but
[1:03:59] Speaker 3: I been kind of wanting to do it for a
[1:04:02] Speaker 3: long time. And then I don't know, like it hit
[1:04:06] Speaker 3: me all of a sudden in like very beginning of
[1:04:08] Speaker 3: 2024 that, uh, I just felt like it was time.
[1:04:11] Speaker 3: I just, I don't know why I just, and I
[1:04:13] Speaker 3: guess it was, you know, it's divinely orchestrated. Right. So
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: I felt like it was time to do it. And
[1:04:18] Speaker 3: I just really wanted to do it then. And I'll
[1:04:21] Speaker 3: schedule to speak at our conference with Tyler, but I
[1:04:24] Speaker 3: told him like, Hey man, I think I want to
[1:04:26] Speaker 3: like focus on writing my book. And I don't know
[1:04:29] Speaker 3: if I can come up with a talk and do
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: that the same. It'll be hard to do that. So
[1:04:33] Speaker 3: take me off and give my spot to, we ended
[1:04:35] Speaker 3: up giving it to Margie Kay. And, um, I think
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: Tyler probably didn't even believe that was going to happen.
[1:04:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: Well, his book's been in the works for so long,
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: but yeah, you got it done. Yeah.
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: And Jackie Kenner happened to be doing a book writing
[1:04:50] Speaker 3: course and it was like so divinely timed that she
[1:04:53] Speaker 3: was doing that right at the time. I already wanted
[1:04:55] Speaker 3: to write my book. So it's six week course. I
[1:04:58] Speaker 3: wrote it in six weeks and I, you know, it's
[1:05:01] Speaker 3: kind of all over the place, but I think I,
[1:05:04] Speaker 3: I think I accomplished what I set out to. And
[1:05:07] Speaker 3: thank you so much for saying those kind of words
[1:05:10] Speaker 3: about it. And then I think that maybe pushed Nudge
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: Tyler to get yours done.
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And mine is a much different book than Aaron's.
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: It talks about my story primarily, but it's corroborated by
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: all the research and stuff we've learned. So it's kind
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: of a mixed bag of things. It's a three-part book.
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: It goes into my story about basically my awakening and
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: all the things that happened to me then, all the
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: way up to my recruitment into Mars program and other
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: recruitment attempts. Part two of the book is what I
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: call Tales from Another Timeline. It's memories that I have
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: that are not from this lifetime. Maybe they're secret space programs,
[1:05:52] Speaker 1: maybe they're whatever. but they're parallel life memories and each
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: chapter is a different memory that I have in part
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: two of the book and then part three is basically
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: like a bring home message and it's just something that
[1:06:05] Speaker 1: I've been wanting to write for years too and it
[1:06:07] Speaker 1: was you know divine timed and I appreciate it's called
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: Bleed Through Tales from Another Timeline it's on Amazon Aaron's
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: book's on Amazon and if you if you're interested that's
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: great if not that's great and if you liked it
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: the only thing I ask is leave a review on
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: Amazon it actually really helps so Yeah, that's all I
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: have to say about that. And then we can kind
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: of give everybody an idea about Hawaii too, if you'd like. Yeah,
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. Oh my gosh.
[1:06:33] Speaker 2: I definitely want to talk to you more about the
[1:06:35] Speaker 2: Mars thing. And I know we've talked a lot over
[1:06:37] Speaker 2: the years, but I look forward to more conversations. And
[1:06:39] Speaker 2: I love the name Journey to Truth because we're on
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: a journey, right? And it's all about truth. And I'm
[1:06:46] Speaker 2: speaking for so many when I say this, you are
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: so loved, so appreciated and all that you've done. uh,
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: for humanity and for holding, you know, this community together
[1:06:55] Speaker 2: through a lot of ups and downs. It's like the
[1:06:57] Speaker 2: skippers of this ship and like the stormy seas at times. And, um,
[1:07:02] Speaker 2: so yes, tell us, uh, I'm going to be there. So, uh,
[1:07:06] Speaker 2: I know that it's April 20th to 25th, correct?
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: Yes. All right.
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about this event and what
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: inspired you guys to pull it together.
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: Well, the Hawaii conference in 2019, Cosmic Waves, where I
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: met you. That's what inspired it. I loved that trip
[1:07:21] Speaker 1: so much. It changed my life. I had been wanting
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: to go back to another conference there all these years,
[1:07:27] Speaker 1: and no one was ever doing another one there. Not
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: in that capacity. So I said, well, why not? We
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: can do it. And we had done four years in Grafton,
[1:07:36] Speaker 1: Illinois already, and it served us well. And it was amazing.
[1:07:39] Speaker 1: Each event was 100% successful. And It would have made
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: sense for us to just keep doing what was easy,
[1:07:46] Speaker 1: but it has to stay exciting for us too. I
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: really wanted more of a boots on the ground approach.
[1:07:56] Speaker 1: It's not that classroom style setting where you're just sitting
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: there all day getting information just bombarded at you. It's
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: going to be a much more interactive vacation slash retreat
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: slash conference. We're going to be out in the water,
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: you know, get out in the boat and jump in
[1:08:12] Speaker 1: the water and hopefully swim with some whales and dolphins.
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: We're technically not allowed to say that because it's actually
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: illegal to swim with dolphins in Hawaii, crazily enough. And
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: then we're going to be doing some sacred sites tours
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: and go into like Volcano National Park and the City
[1:08:30] Speaker 1: of Refuge, which are beautiful places. And just getting like
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: a boots on the ground approach to the awakening and
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: and allowing people to connect with the land do some
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: grid work and still have an amazing time you know
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: we have this amazing lineup a small lineup of speakers
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: it's a smaller event but yeah so if anyone's interested
[1:08:50] Speaker 1: april 20th through the 24th on the big island journey
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: to truth.online there's only 22 spots left so if anyone
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: wants to come out make sure you grab that We
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: do have virtual passes now. So, you know, the in-person,
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: the presentations are going to be live streamed for anybody
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: who can't make it $ 55 for a live stream pass.
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: And yeah, we'd just love to see you there.
[1:09:12] Speaker 3: You can't afford the ticket. The live stream is a
[1:09:14] Speaker 3: lot cheaper.
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:09:17] Speaker 3: And on top of, you know, playing tickets and everything else. um,
[1:09:21] Speaker 3: you know, we try to make it as affordable, that
[1:09:23] Speaker 3: as affordable as possible for, for everyone, if you can't
[1:09:26] Speaker 3: make it in person, but, um, if you can make
[1:09:29] Speaker 3: it in person, there's like you, Tyler said, there's only
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: 22 tickets left. Um, so don't wait too long. And
[1:09:36] Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a life-changing event. I really, I,
[1:09:40] Speaker 3: I mean, Tyler, you said that the one before changed
[1:09:42] Speaker 3: your life and I believe it. Um, I wanted to
[1:09:44] Speaker 3: go to that. I couldn't afford it at the time.
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: So you I remember you went and that's where we
[1:09:48] Speaker 3: did Laura, their first episode with you.
[1:09:51] Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. Right at the table there sitting
[1:09:53] Speaker 2: at the ranch, right?
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:09:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:09:56] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: I was so nervous. I didn't even know really who
[1:09:59] Speaker 1: you were. Oh, no way.
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: And we were so excited that we had Laura, got
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: Laura Eisenhower to be on the show. Cause we were
[1:10:06] Speaker 3: brand new at that time.
[1:10:07] Speaker 1: Oh my God. Yeah. We barely had a few episodes out.
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: Like you were early.
[1:10:11] Speaker 3: It was episode 10. It was the 10th episode ever
[1:10:13] Speaker 3: that we did. Yeah. we were brand new and we
[1:10:16] Speaker 3: were like oh my god we already got laura we
[1:10:17] Speaker 3: were so excited so thank you so much for of
[1:10:19] Speaker 3: course for being our first big name guest on our
[1:10:24] Speaker 3: on our show and i wasn't even.
[1:10:25] Speaker 2: Thinking about all that i was just i love their
[1:10:27] Speaker 2: energy this is so awesome i'm so happy yeah um
[1:10:31] Speaker 2: oh my god i can't wait i can't wait i'm
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: already having a good time we're not there yet just
[1:10:35] Speaker 2: yeah feeling into it.
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: Already i cannot wait yeah it's gonna be a lot
[1:10:40] Speaker 1: of fun hawaii.
[1:10:41] Speaker 3: Is so amazing anyway you know and the event on
[1:10:44] Speaker 3: top of it.
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:10:45] Speaker 3: I just can't, I can't wait.
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:10:47] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:10:48] Speaker 2: Some of you guys, I'm so excited about this documentary
[1:10:51] Speaker 2: and gosh, you keep doing events, you keep doing podcasts
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: and you're just, you're, you're, you're awesome. Thank you for
[1:10:58] Speaker 2: joining me today and talking to us about this. And
[1:11:02] Speaker 2: my gosh, and I, and I love the whole idea that,
[1:11:04] Speaker 2: you know, friends and family that otherwise would not want
[1:11:06] Speaker 2: to sit down and watch this might just do that. And,
[1:11:10] Speaker 2: And you never know, like Thanksgiving and Christmas might be
[1:11:12] Speaker 2: like a big family viewing of and will really I
[1:11:16] Speaker 2: feel really going to make some headway. And I can't
[1:11:18] Speaker 2: begin to tell you how significant is your timing. And
[1:11:20] Speaker 2: I know you know that. But just to know the astrology,
[1:11:23] Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's going to stand the test of time.
[1:11:26] Speaker 2: It's anchoring something that the universe and Mother Earth herself
[1:11:31] Speaker 2: has called forth that you guys answer to. And you
[1:11:35] Speaker 2: you showed up and you keep showing up. So love
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: you both. Take care.
[1:11:40] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Laura. Thank you for having us on.
[1:11:43] Speaker 1: This was amazing. Thank you. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye.

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