# PROFILER Episode 29 - A Conversation With Colonel Tollie Vreugdenburg & the story of 'Die Boeremag'

An episode of [Profiler: True Crime Africa](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1455830293), 30 Dec 2022, 1 h 54 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/ff74674c/podcast/play/96477732/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-0-1%2F392365420-48000-2-014841fbe6c33a73.mp3

An incredible first conversation with retiring Colonel Tollie Vreugdenburg, the Head of South Africa's counter terrorism efforts, about his incredible career. We focus today on 'Die Boeremag' case. You'd better sit down for incredible insights into why SAPS likely closed down the specialist units, to just how close Nelson Mandela came to losing his life. The episode marks the Colonel's retirement from service.

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