# A Return to Code

An episode of [Naval](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1454097755), 28 Apr 2026, 30 min.

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A Return to Coding 00:15 The Personal App Store 03:08 Vibe Coding Is a Video Game with Real-World Rewards 06:12 Pure Software Is Uninvestable 10:23 A Place for Each Model 14:09 AI Is Eager to Please 17:44 Why Math and Coding? 21:58 The Beginning of the End of Apple's Dominance 24:04 Coding Agents As Customer Service Reps 27:43 -- Transcript: http://nav.al/code Presented by AngelList: http://angellist.com/podcast We founded AngelList and have equity in the company.

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