# Driver Encounters Hairy Figure on Wildcat Mountain Road in Estacada, Oregon and Freezes | Archives

An episode of [Bigfoot Society](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1453429066), 4 Jan 2026, 2 h 07 min.

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In this episode, a witness recounts a chilling roadside encounter on Wildcat Mountain Road near Estacada, Oregon. While driving, they describe seeing a large, hairy figure walking along the road, which appears to notice the vehicle, pause, duck down, and hide in a dip among the bushes. The encounter unfolds silently, with the figure remaining concealed while watching from the roadside. This firsthand account adds to a growing collection of unexplained sightings in rural Oregon, raising questions about what may be inhabiting remote mountain roads and forested areas. Was it a misidentified person, or something far more unusual? 🗣️ Share Your Story Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience? Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show! 🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube 🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube 💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts! 📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed) 👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share 🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist 🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters 💥 Support the Show & Get Perks ✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member ✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here 📱 Let’s Connect • Instagram: @bigfootsociety • Twitter: @bigfoot_society • TikTok: @bigfoot.society 🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links) These help support the show at no extra cost to you: • Beam (Better Sleep): Try Beam • Wildgrain (Better Bread): Join Here • Seed (Probiotics): Get Seed • Medi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More • LMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNT • Organic and non-GMO groceries delivered for less http://thrv.me/uarEhS 🎙️ Podcasting Tools: • Repurpose.io: Try It • Descript: Sign Up • Streamyard: Start Recording • Riverside.fm: Try Riverside 🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon ☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here 🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy 📬 Mailing Address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: You're listening to BIGFA Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
[0:03] Speaker 1: this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
[0:05] Speaker 1: you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
[0:08] Speaker 1: something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
[0:12] Speaker 1: quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
[0:16] Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
[0:20] Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
[0:24] Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
[0:27] Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
[0:30] Speaker 1: So stay with us our Big for Society. We've got
[0:32] Speaker 1: the privilege of talking to Lisa today. Lisa's an individual
[0:36] Speaker 1: that left a comment or two on a video back
[0:40] Speaker 1: in the day on the channel, and so I reached
[0:43] Speaker 1: out to her through must have been an episode or
[0:46] Speaker 1: maybe a comment back to her and said, hey, you know,
[0:48] Speaker 1: I want to know more, and so she's been emailing
[0:52] Speaker 1: me back and forth. She's been sending some really interesting
[0:55] Speaker 1: thermal videos, just some there's a lot for us to
[0:58] Speaker 1: talk about. So, Lisa, I'm so glad that you're able
[1:02] Speaker 1: to come on the show. You've been on a call
[1:03] Speaker 1: in show for a little bit, but I was like, man,
[1:06] Speaker 1: we got to get a whole show so Lisa can
[1:09] Speaker 1: share her full story. And Lisa, I'm really glad you're
[1:12] Speaker 1: here today.
[1:16] Speaker 2: Thanks Jeremiah. I was really I was so excited and
[1:21] Speaker 2: nervous from when I called you in and called in
[1:24] Speaker 2: and yeah, be in line like that. But I'm fifty
[1:30] Speaker 2: six years old. I was born and raised down in
[1:35] Speaker 2: the Bay Area, and I was in Fanta Bay and
[1:41] Speaker 2: I had my first experience in I think seventy six
[1:48] Speaker 2: or seventy seven, and I went camping with my friend
[1:52] Speaker 2: Linette and her brother and sister, mother, father and aunt
[1:57] Speaker 2: and uncle. Hey. I always remembered the drive and being
[2:07] Speaker 2: told I think he mentioned her uncle who went in
[2:11] Speaker 2: their car and followed her parents, and he mentioned Donner Pass.
[2:18] Speaker 2: I think he was trying to, you know, freak us
[2:20] Speaker 2: out a little bit. But I never remember spending the
[2:24] Speaker 2: night and talking to Lynette over you know, especially since
[2:33] Speaker 2: when on May eleventh of twenty twenty one, I was
[2:43] Speaker 2: basically not as visually but everything else, reacquainted with the
[2:48] Speaker 2: fact that these beings are real, and so, you know,
[2:53] Speaker 2: after that really dealing into that. I remember going camping
[2:58] Speaker 2: with Lynette and I bought it up, and she didn't
[3:04] Speaker 2: remember me going. She remembers, like she mentioned her uncle
[3:11] Speaker 2: spinning her around, holding her hands and spaying around in circles,
[3:16] Speaker 2: and she was afraid he was going to toss her
[3:18] Speaker 2: off the cliff. And you know, over over a period
[3:23] Speaker 2: of time, I eventually remembered that. You know, I remember
[3:29] Speaker 2: standing there and watching it. She's screaming, and I think
[3:33] Speaker 2: to myself, why is she what she screaming about? You know,
[3:38] Speaker 2: her feet are barely coming over the edge, and and so,
[3:41] Speaker 2: you know, eventually we worked it out that you know,
[3:50] Speaker 2: I couldn't remember spending the night, but she couldn't remember
[3:56] Speaker 2: me even going. So it was like somes wrong with
[4:01] Speaker 2: this picture, you know, and so I really, you know,
[4:06] Speaker 2: I was seeking the truth what happened, and I started
[4:10] Speaker 2: I remembered the tent, and she asked me to describe it,
[4:14] Speaker 2: and I told her it was really big and square,
[4:17] Speaker 2: and you know, I did a really good bang up
[4:19] Speaker 2: job describing it. And eventually I told her I remember
[4:26] Speaker 2: laying in a sleeping bag facing each other, her and
[4:31] Speaker 2: her bag, me and mine, and she said, and we're
[4:36] Speaker 2: on a video chat. So this makes it even even
[4:42] Speaker 2: better because I'm looking at her, and she says, I
[4:51] Speaker 2: seem to remember you going, holding your finger up and
[4:58] Speaker 2: pointing over my left shoulder. And then she came out
[5:02] Speaker 2: in front of me on the phone and walked her
[5:05] Speaker 2: fingers like in the Yellow Pages. And yeah, that shot
[5:11] Speaker 2: me back. I felt just like I must have phoned
[5:14] Speaker 2: that night hearing something out there, and when I told
[5:19] Speaker 2: you about it on that live call in I I
[5:25] Speaker 2: was so in her hurry and wanting to get everything
[5:28] Speaker 2: out there that I didn't tell you that, you know,
[5:36] Speaker 2: we were we went through, and I mean, she still
[5:39] Speaker 2: didn't remember me being there. She knows that it happened.
[5:42] Speaker 2: She has no doubt in her mind, and a really
[5:45] Speaker 2: obsess her that she can't remember one thing. But we
[5:53] Speaker 2: went running back, you know, she said. She said. One
[5:56] Speaker 2: after some things were getting from and I saw the direction,
[6:02] Speaker 2: but my back was up against a big boulder and
[6:06] Speaker 2: they were being frown from behind the boulder to the
[6:10] Speaker 2: right diagonally, and she's up on a stack of logs
[6:16] Speaker 2: being logged, and she sees, she sees where it came from.
[6:21] Speaker 2: She had to her because she said what And I
[6:26] Speaker 2: had had start, of course, because I was already on
[6:28] Speaker 2: the ground and like we talked about this like five
[6:33] Speaker 2: different times over a period, I don't know, three months,
[6:38] Speaker 2: and so I I'm thinking about it the whole time.
[6:42] Speaker 2: You know that I'm not talking to her because you know,
[6:45] Speaker 2: either we run from it or we obsess on it,
[6:48] Speaker 2: and I'm the obsessor, and I'm like, I seem to
[6:54] Speaker 2: remember some mention of a monkey and of her mother
[7:05] Speaker 2: going back and we ran. She asked, well, were you
[7:09] Speaker 2: ahead of me or was I ahead of you? I
[7:12] Speaker 2: said I was ahead of you because you were up
[7:14] Speaker 2: on the logs. And we get back and her she says,
[7:18] Speaker 2: did Uncle Jay or Chris Scarce with a monkey suit
[7:25] Speaker 2: or a monkey mask? And her mother's like no, you know, like,
[7:30] Speaker 2: oh my god, I remember her face, just like I'm
[7:35] Speaker 2: sure I'm Daisy. No, no, you know, And so that
[7:41] Speaker 2: is I didn't see it. I didn't see it, and
[7:47] Speaker 2: get the door slammed on my memory. I just ran
[7:52] Speaker 2: and I heard those steps. I heard it, you know,
[7:57] Speaker 2: walking around the tent. And so she still doesn't remember,
[8:02] Speaker 2: but you know, there's there's a ghostly event with a
[8:09] Speaker 2: cap that I had that we took from Saturday. We
[8:13] Speaker 2: moved up to penalty for not even a year and
[8:18] Speaker 2: ended up going back to the same house. But I
[8:22] Speaker 2: got a kidney infection and this was like eighty let's
[8:29] Speaker 2: feel a freshman, so it was like eighty shoe eighty
[8:36] Speaker 2: three and I told her. I came out and I'm
[8:41] Speaker 2: worried about you know, where's Tippy? Where's Tippy? And my
[8:45] Speaker 2: mom says she's a little there on the couch. So
[8:47] Speaker 2: I go over and I give her love and I'm
[8:51] Speaker 2: happy she's obtaining I had no idea why, and I
[8:55] Speaker 2: told my mother, don't let Tippy out, and she said
[9:01] Speaker 2: she wouldn't, and I went back to sleep. And you
[9:07] Speaker 2: know how cats are, They're persistent and drove my mother nuts,
[9:11] Speaker 2: and so she let her out and she got hit
[9:14] Speaker 2: and killed by a car, and so we ended up.
[9:19] Speaker 2: That was before the winter, and we ended up moving
[9:23] Speaker 2: back about six months later. And my friend Lynette was
[9:28] Speaker 2: over and we come from the kitchen are probably the
[9:34] Speaker 2: game room out in the garage, and we were going
[9:37] Speaker 2: down the hall in my bedroom for some reason. And
[9:41] Speaker 2: we get down there and Lynette's first and she sees
[9:46] Speaker 2: Chippy sitting there at the corner of my pant's door
[9:51] Speaker 2: and my door, and I had to have seen it too.
[9:56] Speaker 2: And have seen her too, because I ran, like be
[9:59] Speaker 2: split mhm when I told one an, I said, you know,
[10:03] Speaker 2: see I don't remember. I believe it, but I don't remember.
[10:09] Speaker 2: And you are she's got the ability to uh pick
[10:16] Speaker 2: up an item and describe it that you know, uh
[10:25] Speaker 2: the connections the people, and yeah, she's had she's been
[10:31] Speaker 2: spoken to by by spirits, you know, by particularly a
[10:43] Speaker 2: woman that she believes was was accidentally at least accidentally
[10:51] Speaker 2: died at the hands of her man. And she's almost
[10:59] Speaker 2: certain that the woman was Like I've heard so many,
[11:03] Speaker 2: so many people's experiences where the man goes and you know,
[11:10] Speaker 2: the big Harry Forrest guy comes in and you know,
[11:14] Speaker 2: comes around while the man's gone, and she tells the
[11:21] Speaker 2: man probably all on over and he's a truck driver
[11:25] Speaker 2: and he drinks and he gets flustered and you know,
[11:31] Speaker 2: he probably couldn't take it anymore. And I mean this
[11:39] Speaker 2: woman was accidentally accidentally killed. And I mean, so she's
[11:45] Speaker 2: got she's got that connection. I said. And I'm like,
[11:50] Speaker 2: I'm nature, I'm the birds. I'm basically a cross between
[11:56] Speaker 2: christ and the Adams and snow white without a dress. Animals.
[12:02] Speaker 2: It's insane the way that animals are with me, and
[12:07] Speaker 2: so it it makes sense that, hey, I am I
[12:12] Speaker 2: remember that, you know I, but you blocked it out,
[12:17] Speaker 2: And hey, you remember seeing Tippy. I know I did,
[12:20] Speaker 2: but I don't remember. And so so then we'll go
[12:27] Speaker 2: to May eleventh of twenty twenty one. In twenty seventeen,
[12:38] Speaker 2: I had been introduced to going out and collecting mushrooms
[12:45] Speaker 2: edible notollucinogenic. And I I'm a picture person. I love
[12:56] Speaker 2: I love nature, I love beauty, and I had an
[12:58] Speaker 2: eye for photography. And so I saw this great calendar
[13:02] Speaker 2: picture of this log a big tree, big tree, you know,
[13:09] Speaker 2: probably bigger around or maybe a bigger around as what
[13:13] Speaker 2: you can make a circle with your arms, and it's
[13:17] Speaker 2: going straight in to the forest, framed, you know, a
[13:23] Speaker 2: bit rounded and broken up of the opening, and it's
[13:28] Speaker 2: just beautiful. So I take a picture and I go in,
[13:32] Speaker 2: and I'm like in awe and filled with long I
[13:42] Speaker 2: don't know his apprehension. I was very anxious because my
[13:51] Speaker 2: conscience may not have been being out loud about it.
[13:57] Speaker 2: But the downside I knew that these trees had been
[14:00] Speaker 2: pulled out of the ground and shoved back in top
[14:04] Speaker 2: side down and so I wanted to get these pictures again.
[14:10] Speaker 2: I lost the phone, like everybody goes through phones, and
[14:14] Speaker 2: so I wanted to reclaim those pictures. And I went
[14:18] Speaker 2: up like three or four times. I started out about
[14:24] Speaker 2: mid April and too much snow can nearly get up there.
[14:30] Speaker 2: And then the time before I made it, I walked
[14:40] Speaker 2: up a little bit and it's you know, no, I
[14:43] Speaker 2: got this video and it's quite long because I like,
[14:47] Speaker 2: you know, I document it, document pretty much everything I can,
[14:53] Speaker 2: and then you know, decide if it's capable whatnot. And
[14:58] Speaker 2: so I'm walking down the road and I'm grumbling and
[15:03] Speaker 2: and I'm home my camera and my phone out in
[15:05] Speaker 2: front of me, filming, and I end up and I
[15:12] Speaker 2: find this, like nine months later, I find what is
[15:19] Speaker 2: you know, I'm unmistakable, without a doubt. It is all
[15:28] Speaker 2: one color. It's not the Gentleman that I did film
[15:35] Speaker 2: later in the room mirror.
[15:37] Speaker 1: Big for a Society will be right back.
[15:39] Speaker 3: After these messages, Ring was walking up towards me and
[15:58] Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't go away, don't come up here,
[16:00] Speaker 3: you know, grumbling.
[16:02] Speaker 2: And a cem and you know, the first subject, the
[16:07] Speaker 2: one all down, was further down and in front of me,
[16:13] Speaker 2: and but I'm sorry, if that dude had been down
[16:16] Speaker 2: there where that being was, I'd have been able to
[16:20] Speaker 2: tell he was wearing different colors and they certainly weren't
[16:23] Speaker 2: all dark. And so I'm like, wow, I mean, I
[16:29] Speaker 2: just catch all this stuff. That's crazy.
[16:33] Speaker 1: But Lisa could then, sorry, could you share where the
[16:38] Speaker 1: kind of region that that happened, and just so the
[16:41] Speaker 1: listeners can picture, like where it is that you're.
[16:46] Speaker 2: So many people talk about it. It is wild Cat
[16:50] Speaker 2: Mountain Road in Stacata.
[16:54] Speaker 1: Okay, thank you?
[16:57] Speaker 2: Yeah mm hmm. So then I go back May eleventh
[17:06] Speaker 2: and I can make it and it's like, oh my gosh. So,
[17:11] Speaker 2: I mean, I I get in there and I'm disappointed.
[17:18] Speaker 2: I'm it's hard for me to recognize it because i mean, gosh,
[17:25] Speaker 2: it'd only been four years of wear and tear. Must
[17:30] Speaker 2: have been a lot of big seat going up and
[17:34] Speaker 2: down that log. Because when I took the first picture
[17:38] Speaker 2: of it, I wish I had that drown picture. The
[17:43] Speaker 2: log was it was a big tree was clearly sticking
[17:50] Speaker 2: up off the ground and you know, so it had
[17:53] Speaker 2: the rounded edges and it just looked like, you know,
[17:56] Speaker 2: somebody started cutting it to cut boards off of it,
[18:00] Speaker 2: and just now it's like now there's hardly any tree
[18:06] Speaker 2: that you can see. It's it's really soft and mushy.
[18:10] Speaker 2: And but I get in there and I can I
[18:20] Speaker 2: can feel like I feel like I'm gonna have a
[18:25] Speaker 2: heart attack because I mean my breathing, you know, I
[18:29] Speaker 2: in my head, I am more concerned about man than
[18:35] Speaker 2: I am animal. And I you have bear spray in
[18:40] Speaker 2: the van, but I'm just like, you know, I'm upset
[18:46] Speaker 2: because I can't find you know, that the marmitree that
[18:53] Speaker 2: I'd taken a picture of what looked like a marm
[18:56] Speaker 2: tree saying no, no no to a little when holding
[19:01] Speaker 2: his arms out, looking like it's pleading. And that was
[19:05] Speaker 2: two of the three trees that had their roots sticking
[19:09] Speaker 2: up like their limbs there should have been. And then
[19:15] Speaker 2: the bigger one, it didn't have any moss on it
[19:18] Speaker 2: in seventeen, but it is covered in moss now. And
[19:24] Speaker 2: so I felt like, you know, I looking to spontaneously conbust.
[19:31] Speaker 2: I ended up I'm looking in that picture, looking back
[19:35] Speaker 2: in the dark. You know, I'm looking for dark stuff.
[19:40] Speaker 2: I didn't even think to look closer to me when
[19:45] Speaker 2: I finally noticed like, wow, here's these two red, these
[19:51] Speaker 2: two shiny you know, there's red that there isn't anywhere else.
[19:56] Speaker 2: And my little admirer that I call them, was back
[20:02] Speaker 2: up against the tree and looking over his right shoulder.
[20:06] Speaker 2: Got looks like he's got green lies. And then his
[20:10] Speaker 2: big sibling was in a tree, probably about maybe twenty
[20:21] Speaker 2: feet to his right and back a little bit and
[20:26] Speaker 2: about forty feet from me. And the little one was
[20:31] Speaker 2: about thirty feet from me, and the big one he's
[20:37] Speaker 2: shown from about the edge of his shoulder down to
[20:40] Speaker 2: his elbow. And I later found a footprint with my son.
[20:45] Speaker 2: He was there at that tree, facing the tree, so
[20:50] Speaker 2: she wasn't peaking. I didn't catch him peaking. He was
[20:53] Speaker 2: just standing there thinking, thinking he couldn't be seen. But
[20:58] Speaker 2: so then.
[21:00] Speaker 1: Sorry, Lisa, real quick that what you saw was that
[21:05] Speaker 1: through a thermal or did you see that in like
[21:07] Speaker 1: you saw that face to face like you were looking
[21:11] Speaker 1: at the creatures.
[21:15] Speaker 2: No, I was standing there feeling them, okay, And I
[21:20] Speaker 2: saw them in my in my pictures.
[21:24] Speaker 1: Got it, okay, thank you?
[21:26] Speaker 2: I took a picture, ye, and I have that on
[21:30] Speaker 2: my phone. Yeah. One time I was going up there,
[21:36] Speaker 2: I was really upset, and I would, you know, once
[21:39] Speaker 2: I realized they were there, I would go up there
[21:41] Speaker 2: and talk to him, you know. And so I go
[21:44] Speaker 2: up there one time and I'm venting to them or
[21:47] Speaker 2: I want to vent to him. I'm really good. Today.
[21:50] Speaker 2: I pulled they were to let somebody around me because
[21:53] Speaker 2: I don't like people riding in my trunk. And behind
[21:57] Speaker 2: them was an officer and I don't have a Yeah,
[22:04] Speaker 2: I didn't have a back plate at the time, you know,
[22:07] Speaker 2: letter I wash, my tags were no good. But he
[22:12] Speaker 2: pulled me over. And you know, I was real honest
[22:15] Speaker 2: with him. Why, I know, you know, when I was
[22:18] Speaker 2: doing it. In a long story short, I ended up
[22:21] Speaker 2: showing him my phone and him wanting to know if
[22:25] Speaker 2: he could touch it. I said, well, the picture won't
[22:28] Speaker 2: blow up because it's on you know, it's the screen
[22:32] Speaker 2: on my phone. And she says to me, me and
[22:38] Speaker 2: the red you know these guys are red. Me and
[22:42] Speaker 2: my wife just bought a house on wild Cat Mountain Road,
[22:47] Speaker 2: and I think we have one living on our property.
[22:56] Speaker 2: This yeah, it was Clakmus County. And I mean, you know,
[23:04] Speaker 2: before I got into that, he says, he, I said,
[23:09] Speaker 2: I just need to go up and you know, be
[23:12] Speaker 2: with nature and you know, YadA YadA, and he says,
[23:17] Speaker 2: you aren't gonna Steven night, are you? And later I
[23:21] Speaker 2: would you know, just the same minutes later I realized
[23:24] Speaker 2: why he was concerned about that. A lot of stuff
[23:28] Speaker 2: has happened on Wildcat when I first moved up here
[23:32] Speaker 2: in eighty six and my boyfriend ended up later being
[23:38] Speaker 2: my husband. And now x uh, he said, you know,
[23:43] Speaker 2: people were our bodies have been found up on Wildcat.
[23:48] Speaker 1: Real quick. I had a gentleman who called in from
[23:53] Speaker 1: Let me pull up a map real quick. It's it's
[23:57] Speaker 1: south of down in Colton. He called from Colton and
[24:02] Speaker 1: he was talking about Estacada and saying that there's a
[24:06] Speaker 1: lot of missing people in that area. Usually, yeah, okay,
[24:15] Speaker 1: so you can I can verify that.
[24:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean there are a lot of people
[24:24] Speaker 2: that go missing everywhere. It's just that, you know, unless
[24:28] Speaker 2: you're local, it's hard to find out because, you know,
[24:34] Speaker 2: they used to they used to tell you how people
[24:38] Speaker 2: died in the papers, and at least in their obituaries.
[24:44] Speaker 2: They don't tell you. They don't. They leave all that out,
[24:48] Speaker 2: and they do a lot of line about what was
[24:53] Speaker 2: the cause of death when they do find the bodies.
[25:00] Speaker 2: When I was okay, my mom was born in forty three.
[25:05] Speaker 2: She was born and raised in Michigan, and I think
[25:09] Speaker 2: it had to have been the only reason she would
[25:13] Speaker 2: have told me something like this was just I was
[25:16] Speaker 2: going to be going out into the woods when she
[25:21] Speaker 2: was a little girl and I found it. I was like,
[25:24] Speaker 2: I found it. I looked up between what she was
[25:29] Speaker 2: born forty three, so like forty nine to fifty two
[25:34] Speaker 2: or something. She said that a little a little boy
[25:42] Speaker 2: or girl was drug off into the woods by a
[25:46] Speaker 2: bear and the mother followed after it, beating it with
[25:51] Speaker 2: a brain, chasing it, and the bear wouldn't let go,
[25:57] Speaker 2: and the child died. And I found that particle they
[26:02] Speaker 2: described They described the bear as holding it under its
[26:12] Speaker 2: arm like a football and running away.
[26:16] Speaker 1: That's no, yeah, yeah, oh my.
[26:28] Speaker 2: You know the people that the people that, uh, you know,
[26:32] Speaker 2: when when something scares you and your psyche just you know,
[26:39] Speaker 2: isn't cracked up to accept it, You're gonna do everything
[26:44] Speaker 2: you can, anything possible to avoid it. That's why you know,
[26:50] Speaker 2: Lynette and I remain friends. That doesn't happen very often.
[26:57] Speaker 2: You know, she wasn't she wasn't fully closed off to
[27:02] Speaker 2: I mean, it probably helps that we were like, you know, seven,
[27:05] Speaker 2: eight years old. But you know, Steve Isdall, I remember
[27:10] Speaker 2: listening to him comment on, you know, some guy or
[27:14] Speaker 2: woman whatever sharing an experience that they had with several
[27:19] Speaker 2: friends and you know, lost a friend. There's a guy
[27:24] Speaker 2: that he still has a brother in law, but they
[27:28] Speaker 2: had an experience together and now he really doesn't have
[27:31] Speaker 2: a brother in law. I mean, you know, if it's
[27:35] Speaker 2: something you can't accept, then you're not going to have
[27:41] Speaker 2: anything to do with anybody who's tied to it. And
[27:45] Speaker 2: it's really sad. But anyway, so that was that was
[27:54] Speaker 2: May eleven. Then I think I must have ordered my floor,
[28:02] Speaker 2: my my thermal after that, you know for big hairy
[28:12] Speaker 2: people walking around onto feet and I'm four legged, Harry,
[28:16] Speaker 2: because I wanted to go camping with my son and
[28:21] Speaker 2: I wanted that that oh safety net, I guess. And
[28:31] Speaker 2: let's see, it was a July was okay. Then in July,
[28:40] Speaker 2: I'm July fourth. I had found a bunny, a cottontail,
[28:48] Speaker 2: a baby cottontail here in the road and it looked
[28:53] Speaker 2: like a little brown, little round ball and I was like,
[28:57] Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I caught it. I got food for it.
[29:02] Speaker 2: I ended up feeding it with the long thing a
[29:08] Speaker 2: plastic a plastic dropper. And I'd read somewhere where they
[29:16] Speaker 2: said that trying to do this isn't for the faint
[29:19] Speaker 2: of heart. And on the seventh I went to feed
[29:27] Speaker 2: it and she wouldn't eat, and I knew what. I
[29:32] Speaker 2: knew what had happened that, you know. I looked at
[29:34] Speaker 2: the dropper and there were a couple of scrapes on it,
[29:36] Speaker 2: and she ingested just the smallest amount of plastic and
[29:40] Speaker 2: it was going to kill her. And I took I
[29:44] Speaker 2: got two videos. One of them is up there talking
[29:48] Speaker 2: about it that I just put up and it says,
[29:57] Speaker 2: all right, yeah, it says this is why I had
[30:03] Speaker 2: my uh sighting eyeballs. I saw it. I cried. It
[30:18] Speaker 2: was it was just terrible. I I I've come to,
[30:22] Speaker 2: you know, not let anything die by itself if I
[30:26] Speaker 2: can help it. And I knew that they screamed, and
[30:32] Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I can't do it. If if
[30:34] Speaker 2: this thing screamed, I'm so I kissed it, said Sony.
[30:39] Speaker 2: And I put it in the cage and I went
[30:42] Speaker 2: up Wildcat and I got up there and I'm you know,
[30:47] Speaker 2: talking out the window to him.
[30:50] Speaker 1: Big so society, who will be right back after these messages?
[31:11] Speaker 2: You know if I see a help The first time
[31:13] Speaker 2: I saw a helicopter, I warned them. You know, they're looking,
[31:18] Speaker 2: They're looking for you. They can see you, they hunt you,
[31:21] Speaker 2: you know, telling them, you know, I wish I could
[31:27] Speaker 2: live out there with you, and you know, if I
[31:29] Speaker 2: have to come back down here again and do another life,
[31:32] Speaker 2: I'd rather be a big, hairy forest person then, you know,
[31:38] Speaker 2: then a little hairless one. And told them about the bunny,
[31:42] Speaker 2: and ended up when I didn't want to drive home
[31:46] Speaker 2: at night. I usually did that, but being upset like
[31:50] Speaker 2: I was, I didn't want to, and so I told them,
[31:56] Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to go because I know
[32:00] Speaker 2: as soon as I leave, I'm gonna start thinking about
[32:03] Speaker 2: the bunny and I'm gonna start crying. And I'm like, well,
[32:10] Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. You guys have a good night down
[32:12] Speaker 2: the creek. Start up my van and start driving off
[32:18] Speaker 2: in first gear because I like to look everywhere and
[32:22] Speaker 2: just go really slow. I didn't get a hundred feet
[32:25] Speaker 2: and the tears started freaking rolling down my face, and
[32:28] Speaker 2: so I put on my sunglasses so anybody coming up
[32:34] Speaker 2: wouldn't take a look at me, and wondered what the
[32:36] Speaker 2: heck my problem was. And I get down to it's
[32:45] Speaker 2: the first creek if you actually look at it on
[32:48] Speaker 2: Google Maps, and I believe it's leave it. It's Trout Creek. Yeah,
[32:59] Speaker 2: there's creek and Alder Creek up there too, but I
[33:02] Speaker 2: believe it's Trout Creek. And i'm it's a coming down.
[33:07] Speaker 2: It is a long turn to the left, and I
[33:13] Speaker 2: get just to where I can see there's a forest,
[33:19] Speaker 2: there's the logging road, a blue gate on the right,
[33:23] Speaker 2: and analyzing it and thinking back on it so many times,
[33:31] Speaker 2: I know that this being was standing there waiting for me,
[33:39] Speaker 2: because they weren't you know, they weren't in in mid step,
[33:43] Speaker 2: you know, they were not taking steps. They were standing still.
[33:50] Speaker 2: And then stepped from there and they took three steps
[33:57] Speaker 2: up a small end point and then they were gone.
[34:02] Speaker 2: And I thought to myself, where are the other two legs?
[34:07] Speaker 2: And then I laughed out loud because they had to
[34:11] Speaker 2: have been holding a bushy shrub in front of them
[34:18] Speaker 2: so that I would only see them my phone from
[34:20] Speaker 2: about mid torso down because they wanted me to stop crying,
[34:28] Speaker 2: and I immediately did. As soon as I saw that,
[34:32] Speaker 2: I immediately stopped crying, and you know, laughed because that would
[34:38] Speaker 2: have been a funny looking deer the way it was walking.
[34:41] Speaker 2: And you know, I grew up watching old movies with
[34:45] Speaker 2: my mother, and I love all the Peter Sellers Pink
[34:48] Speaker 2: Panther movies. And the one with David Niven and Robert Wagner.
[34:56] Speaker 2: Was it a I saw in the arket right? Oh gosh, Well,
[35:02] Speaker 2: there's a masquerade ball or party and there's a couple
[35:09] Speaker 2: of people in a gorilla suit, and then there's two
[35:13] Speaker 2: people in a horse suit. And that's why. That's why
[35:17] Speaker 2: I pictured was the way that their legs were begging
[35:21] Speaker 2: going up this hill, and and I thought, boy, where
[35:25] Speaker 2: are they wearing car hearts? Uh? You know, everything's all
[35:29] Speaker 2: the same color. And I just I I laughed, and
[35:37] Speaker 2: I felt I felt like they cared, you know, I
[35:43] Speaker 2: mean to stop to stop those chairs from my heart
[35:49] Speaker 2: breaking over that little bunny. And and then it was like, well,
[35:55] Speaker 2: they understood me. They clearly understand me. You know that
[36:06] Speaker 2: picture that is on my YouTube of those eyes, that's
[36:12] Speaker 2: out of a twenty six minute video that after I
[36:18] Speaker 2: had seen things, and it had been catching things. I
[36:22] Speaker 2: started going back and watching other stuff and doing some
[36:25] Speaker 2: frame by frame and looking at stuff. And by that
[36:30] Speaker 2: day I was complaining about my daughter impalealing me, breaking
[36:36] Speaker 2: my heart, and m I hear what sounds like a
[36:44] Speaker 2: plastic bag or tarp and I get out and I'm
[36:47] Speaker 2: talking about it, and and I'm like, well, I hear
[36:50] Speaker 2: it out there. I started talking like I'm talking to them.
[36:53] Speaker 2: I'm you know, are you? I said, well, I said,
[36:58] Speaker 2: what was it? Or was that? You? You know? And
[37:01] Speaker 2: fill me? And then this block and I can't see
[37:05] Speaker 2: it unless I go frame by frame, and it's really
[37:07] Speaker 2: frustrating because I lost that ability on They axed it
[37:13] Speaker 2: off of the Microsoft, so I'm I'm screwed on that.
[37:19] Speaker 2: But it comes just a little bitty bubble, It comes
[37:24] Speaker 2: flying out into the gravel, you know, road, and I'm
[37:31] Speaker 2: just like, wow, on cue, we'll see. So then after
[37:41] Speaker 2: that July uh m hmm, see started coming it. That
[37:52] Speaker 2: was July seventh, August tenth. Something happened, but I don't know,
[37:59] Speaker 2: I think it was. It had to been uh it was,
[38:09] Speaker 2: you know, it was It was after that that I
[38:17] Speaker 2: knew I had seen it I had seen one with
[38:21] Speaker 2: my own eyes, and I knew for sure that what
[38:25] Speaker 2: I saw in the pictures were real because there was
[38:28] Speaker 2: that was probably the I think it was the sibling
[38:32] Speaker 2: that was hiding behind the back of the further factory
[38:35] Speaker 2: in that picture. But I want to go and go
[38:40] Speaker 2: walk down this one blue gate logging road to look
[38:45] Speaker 2: for mushrooms during the day, but I'm too scared too.
[38:49] Speaker 2: I'm too and I'm like, oh, wait a minute, I
[38:52] Speaker 2: have that funimal in ever records during the day or
[38:55] Speaker 2: get stuff during the day too. So I and this
[39:00] Speaker 2: videos like four minutes, just under five minutes, and I'm
[39:06] Speaker 2: panning around and looking, still getting used to the thermal,
[39:10] Speaker 2: and I end up finally walking around the gate and
[39:19] Speaker 2: I think I stepped about fourteen steps based on how
[39:23] Speaker 2: the candle was kind of moving before I see a
[39:28] Speaker 2: heat signature and I stop and it's my little admirer.
[39:34] Speaker 2: I just knew it in the back of my head.
[39:36] Speaker 2: I know it, and it's running. It's kind of hilly
[39:40] Speaker 2: in there. I go back and I show the area
[39:42] Speaker 2: and regular video it's opening there and hilly, and he's
[39:48] Speaker 2: running over and wants to hide behind a tree. Thinks
[39:52] Speaker 2: I'm going to go walking down that road, and I'm
[39:56] Speaker 2: stopping and watching and he gets behind the tree and
[39:58] Speaker 2: he looks and he realized is that I'm looking at
[40:01] Speaker 2: him and seeing him, and he goes into what you know,
[40:06] Speaker 2: the Native Americans have so many different you know, the
[40:12] Speaker 2: different native plans that you know Cherokee, and the different
[40:16] Speaker 2: types have different names. And I heard one where they
[40:21] Speaker 2: refer to them, refer to them as like the man
[40:26] Speaker 2: who leaves when he runs, you know, goes into an
[40:30] Speaker 2: almost like falling flat on his face in a one,
[40:35] Speaker 2: you know, taking off. So he does that really quick,
[40:39] Speaker 2: and that scared me, and I turned and I start
[40:42] Speaker 2: running back to the land. And then I get down there,
[40:47] Speaker 2: and when I strolled back looking, I'm like, all right,
[40:50] Speaker 2: where'd you go? And I didn't even think about it
[40:53] Speaker 2: till much later that I said little, because I mean
[40:58] Speaker 2: I knew it was. I think they turned out to
[41:02] Speaker 2: be probably about four feet tall, and I was like,
[41:09] Speaker 2: oh my gosh. And I ended up getting big big
[41:15] Speaker 2: boy is in it too, across on the other side
[41:21] Speaker 2: in the trees, and then I think I see my
[41:25] Speaker 2: little admirer stuck up against a tree trying to blend
[41:30] Speaker 2: in and wait staying still because I can there's a
[41:34] Speaker 2: bit more of a heath signature there, and then I
[41:39] Speaker 2: only catch this stony frame by frame, probably big brother
[41:45] Speaker 2: or sister. I think there's only three of them. There
[41:49] Speaker 2: could be a female and maybe shoes. I just haven't
[41:55] Speaker 2: seen her or couldn't tell her it was her. But
[41:59] Speaker 2: some many is pushing on a snag and it just goes.
[42:03] Speaker 2: It's going back and forth a little bit like they're
[42:06] Speaker 2: trying to distract me, and I ended up turning and
[42:13] Speaker 2: running back to the van. It was. It looked like
[42:19] Speaker 2: I would have seen it, but I didn't. I was
[42:21] Speaker 2: just like I I'd had enough my nerves and uh,
[42:30] Speaker 2: let's see. So then then you know they I've heard
[42:36] Speaker 2: so many people talk about them knowing. You know, they
[42:41] Speaker 2: know you're going to go out there before you get
[42:44] Speaker 2: there type stuff. And I had made an appointment at
[42:50] Speaker 2: my mechanics right down the street I live and boring,
[42:55] Speaker 2: and I made it a month out for August tenth.
[43:04] Speaker 2: And I get down there. He's going to be working
[43:07] Speaker 2: on it a long time. I can't remember what he
[43:09] Speaker 2: was doing. But I bring my chair and I bring
[43:13] Speaker 2: drinks and I'm set up to go sit around on
[43:18] Speaker 2: the side of the building in the shade and wait,
[43:22] Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there and not long. I didn't send
[43:26] Speaker 2: me any pictures, but I've got pictures where I noticed
[43:31] Speaker 2: footprints in the tan bark where it had had to
[43:36] Speaker 2: have rained, and it was you know, they weren't missed
[43:40] Speaker 2: down and they were pretty on big. I mean, it
[43:44] Speaker 2: looked probably about close to twenty inches like the print
[43:49] Speaker 2: that I sent you a picture of the video. And
[43:55] Speaker 2: they're going back. I follow him and they're going back
[44:00] Speaker 2: quite a side between them, and he sits down and
[44:07] Speaker 2: I see, I see where the butt was, if you know,
[44:14] Speaker 2: the tan bea came up in a little bit of
[44:17] Speaker 2: a and a little bit of a point and a
[44:20] Speaker 2: long cracks and and then there was two pieces of
[44:30] Speaker 2: the roots from blackberries, the windy curly stuff where craft
[44:39] Speaker 2: stores will sell it. They'll sell that dried stuff. And
[44:43] Speaker 2: there were two of them laying there right in front
[44:48] Speaker 2: of the butt prints, and and I'm like, wow, you know, uh,
[44:59] Speaker 2: the thing know what I was going to be here?
[45:04] Speaker 2: I mean, clearly it looked like somebody sat and waited
[45:07] Speaker 2: for a while. I mean, I couldn't see any other
[45:09] Speaker 2: prince besides the big ones. And and then like no,
[45:16] Speaker 2: I don't know. A couple of weeks later, I was
[45:21] Speaker 2: staying I was sleeping out in the motorhome, and there's
[45:26] Speaker 2: a walkway that you know, out in the grass that
[45:31] Speaker 2: I take. It's not it's a footpath, it's there's bricks
[45:36] Speaker 2: out there. But you know, I go off to the left,
[45:39] Speaker 2: and unless you're going to go over the bridge US,
[45:44] Speaker 2: you're nobody's going to be walking there, and somebody would
[45:49] Speaker 2: have stepped on it big.
[45:51] Speaker 1: So a society will be right back after these messages,
[46:10] Speaker 1: there was laid.
[46:12] Speaker 2: Right there one of those little wiggly twigs from the blackberries,
[46:18] Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, but what is this. I mean,
[46:24] Speaker 2: there's none of this around here. There's no reason for
[46:29] Speaker 2: to be here, just like down at the at my mechanics,
[46:33] Speaker 2: there wasn't any of that stuff around to be having
[46:37] Speaker 2: two little twigs sitting right out in front of a
[46:40] Speaker 2: big blootprint.
[46:43] Speaker 1: Oregon.
[46:43] Speaker 2: You said, yeah, yeah, and like that was that's in
[46:50] Speaker 2: August or twenty one. Then then you know, probably in
[46:58] Speaker 2: the next cheer three weeks. A couple of times I'm
[47:02] Speaker 2: hearing some stuff out in the garage, and you know,
[47:07] Speaker 2: I know what things sound like, I know what we
[47:10] Speaker 2: have around here. The only thing that I've ever seen
[47:13] Speaker 2: going up and down the little uh, the little seasonal
[47:16] Speaker 2: trick that goes through that property is raccoons. And never
[47:23] Speaker 2: never have I known a raccoon to go into the
[47:26] Speaker 2: into the garage. Birds and just recently a kitten. But
[47:33] Speaker 2: you know, I know what those things sound like, and
[47:38] Speaker 2: you know, they so many people have said, you know,
[47:42] Speaker 2: when they know that, you know, then you know you're
[47:49] Speaker 2: fine to interact with, you know. I mean, I I've
[47:58] Speaker 2: just been amazed it. You know, like last night, last night,
[48:06] Speaker 2: I'm hearing sous. You know, we've got Alan's around here,
[48:10] Speaker 2: and sometimes sometimes I really wonder because they don't all
[48:14] Speaker 2: get together and sing all crazy, you know, a bunch
[48:17] Speaker 2: of them competing with each other. But there was it
[48:22] Speaker 2: was going to who and and then there was a
[48:29] Speaker 2: really weird sound, just a different tone, and so I
[48:34] Speaker 2: decided to record, and right before I did, there was
[48:38] Speaker 2: a who. They just kept and I'm like okay, and
[48:42] Speaker 2: I hit record and it all stopped. It had been
[48:48] Speaker 2: going on for you know, stuff had been going on
[48:51] Speaker 2: for like I don't know, five minutes, and then it
[48:54] Speaker 2: all stopped. And let's see uh, okay, the fires in
[49:13] Speaker 2: what was it twenty two? Yeah, twenty two in the
[49:20] Speaker 2: summer twenty two. I wanted to go up there and
[49:26] Speaker 2: go up Wildcat and be near them and get away
[49:30] Speaker 2: from the smoke. And I'm driving up and off from
[49:37] Speaker 2: the left hand side of the road. There's bushes, blackberries, rhododendrons.
[49:43] Speaker 2: You know, it's bush, it's trees, it's forest. And I
[49:49] Speaker 2: catched something in my lights and it's a twig that
[49:54] Speaker 2: I don't know, looks like it goes about eight ten
[49:56] Speaker 2: inches long, come flying up out of the bushes and
[50:01] Speaker 2: it hits me in the wheelwall on my driver's side.
[50:09] Speaker 2: What that was all about? Well, actually, do Dodge Park
[50:14] Speaker 2: if you look that up, it's mm hmmm. Well it's
[50:23] Speaker 2: close by Dodge Park. I've had I found footprints there.
[50:30] Speaker 2: And he looked at the pictures that I sent you
[50:33] Speaker 2: in the sand, the little one that I put my hand,
[50:37] Speaker 2: my thumb in hand out to measure next to. Something
[50:44] Speaker 2: happened there right right as the last big stage so
[50:53] Speaker 2: hits you know the the sea, big sea word, you know.
[51:02] Speaker 2: And Dodge Park used to let people camp. But then
[51:10] Speaker 2: right before this all happened, something happened down there and
[51:17] Speaker 2: I heard it. I was told by someone at a
[51:21] Speaker 2: store who has a fund down there that you know,
[51:28] Speaker 2: there were shots fired. And but the people that were
[51:35] Speaker 2: down in that area, they do damage control, you know,
[51:39] Speaker 2: they were spoken to. They were a camp host, a
[51:45] Speaker 2: husband and a wife who had dogs and lots of dogs.
[51:52] Speaker 2: And he had a heart attack and he died down there.
[51:58] Speaker 2: But you wasn't it wasn't just a fluke. I mean
[52:02] Speaker 2: I heard from the lady at the market that I
[52:06] Speaker 2: used to go to told me about it. But then
[52:10] Speaker 2: when I spoke to a gentleman that I would always see,
[52:13] Speaker 2: he'd come through and pick up cans and bottles and
[52:16] Speaker 2: he had this really big, huge white dog, and I
[52:20] Speaker 2: mentioned it to him and he said, oh no, no,
[52:26] Speaker 2: he had a heart attack. And you know, back tell
[52:30] Speaker 2: I could tell he was he wasn't being truthful with me.
[52:34] Speaker 2: But what happened was, I do believe that he saw something.
[52:41] Speaker 2: They got dumpsters, They got big blue, black lid dumpsters
[52:45] Speaker 2: down there for people to put their trash in. And
[52:49] Speaker 2: I think, you know, I know where his He could
[52:52] Speaker 2: see that one dumpster on the way out. He could
[52:56] Speaker 2: see two different dumpsters from where his home with he
[53:01] Speaker 2: probably saw something and took a shot. I was worried
[53:07] Speaker 2: that he had killed it, he had killed a baby,
[53:12] Speaker 2: but even I think I think he didn't. And he
[53:17] Speaker 2: got the crap scared out of him, and it literally
[53:21] Speaker 2: gave him a heart attack because you know, he shot
[53:24] Speaker 2: at it. It was shot fired, and I mean I
[53:31] Speaker 2: think that. You know, at first I thought he had
[53:35] Speaker 2: killed a baby, and that really bothered me. And that's
[53:39] Speaker 2: when I decided to carve. They got clay down there
[53:43] Speaker 2: in that river, and if you're careful, you can carve
[53:47] Speaker 2: it and put it someplace and let it, you know,
[53:51] Speaker 2: stash it in the river somewhere and let it continue
[53:54] Speaker 2: to harden and become a rock. And so I carved.
[53:59] Speaker 2: You'll see it on my YouTube. There's a picture of
[54:03] Speaker 2: me holding a heart and it says love on it.
[54:07] Speaker 2: And on the backside, I carved a big foot and
[54:10] Speaker 2: a whole foot and I put it down there. I
[54:15] Speaker 2: sat there and I in the river and I carved it.
[54:19] Speaker 2: And this is like down there at Dodge Park. It's
[54:22] Speaker 2: a confluence the sandy. Bull Run comes into the sandy
[54:29] Speaker 2: and that's where I prefer to be on Bull Run
[54:31] Speaker 2: because the water is clear. The sandy is clouding in
[54:35] Speaker 2: the sandy and then so I'm sitting there and I
[54:39] Speaker 2: think I was watched, you know, I talked out loud
[54:42] Speaker 2: to him if nobody's around, and I made that and
[54:48] Speaker 2: I left it. I hid it in the river and
[54:55] Speaker 2: wanted the MoMA to have it, the mother of the baby,
[54:59] Speaker 2: I thought die. And I come back the next morning
[55:04] Speaker 2: before I'm like the first person in the gates they
[55:06] Speaker 2: opened at seven, and I go down there and it's gone,
[55:14] Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, well did she get it? Did
[55:18] Speaker 2: you guys get it? Did you like it? You know,
[55:21] Speaker 2: I hope you liked it. And I come back again
[55:25] Speaker 2: the next day because you know, it's hot and I
[55:28] Speaker 2: can't stand being at home. And I took Olivio what
[55:35] Speaker 2: I found right where I had been sitting and carving that,
[55:40] Speaker 2: and it was a bunch of a bunch of fish,
[55:44] Speaker 2: a bunch of eating on dead steel heads. And I
[55:53] Speaker 2: think your show, I think I think I was listening
[55:56] Speaker 2: to somebody who was well maybe it was Stease, I
[56:01] Speaker 2: don't know. Somebody mentioned how they would eat ushy, really
[56:09] Speaker 2: icky dead fish, and when I saw that there, I
[56:14] Speaker 2: was like, okay, that's a sign they that was a
[56:18] Speaker 2: sign for me, and then there was a I mean,
[56:24] Speaker 2: this is this is a bit neu right here. This
[56:29] Speaker 2: is panting light or or whatever you want to call it.
[56:37] Speaker 2: When I knew that they were a wildcat and I
[56:41] Speaker 2: wanted to bring them apples, I wanted to keep bringing
[56:45] Speaker 2: them stuff, but I didn't want it to just all
[56:50] Speaker 2: go to the deer, and I would I'm telling them,
[56:52] Speaker 2: you know, you know, I don't care if the deer
[56:55] Speaker 2: has some. I just want to make sure that you're
[56:58] Speaker 2: going to be here, you know, and and I'm going
[57:02] Speaker 2: to give them to you too. Is there any way
[57:06] Speaker 2: you can let me know, just just for me to
[57:11] Speaker 2: know that you will still be here. And I'm sitting
[57:16] Speaker 2: in the dark on Wildcat at this one other place.
[57:20] Speaker 2: It's a really big pull off where people have dumped
[57:25] Speaker 2: I'm dumped a trailer and people sometimes camp there and
[57:28] Speaker 2: it's got the burn, got a big burn. And that's
[57:32] Speaker 2: where I got the little admirer on video. And I
[57:39] Speaker 2: look over and it's dark, it is black out, and
[57:43] Speaker 2: I see a looks like a star going it's between
[57:49] Speaker 2: these two trees and it's going up and down and
[57:55] Speaker 2: like it's following a big paper clip, just moving up
[57:59] Speaker 2: and down, and I I took a video because I
[58:02] Speaker 2: was trying to get it, and I didn't mention it
[58:06] Speaker 2: in this one, and I accidentally must have deleted the
[58:09] Speaker 2: one where I spoke about it in. But I'm freaking out.
[58:15] Speaker 2: I'm like, I listened to it the other night and
[58:19] Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that that really freaked me out, that,
[58:23] Speaker 2: you know. And I was flustered because I didn't I
[58:26] Speaker 2: couldn't record it. My camera was able to see it.
[58:30] Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I just got done town them,
[58:32] Speaker 2: you know, you know, give me a sign that only
[58:36] Speaker 2: you know that only I don't know, and see sure enough,
[58:40] Speaker 2: I couldn't get it, but I got my reaction, and
[58:43] Speaker 2: it's like that's genuine right there. I won't see uh
[58:49] Speaker 2: so then uh my, oh, And I mean I've had
[58:59] Speaker 2: you know, there's been sightings. If you mentioned that bigfoot map,
[59:06] Speaker 2: there's some place where you can look on a map
[59:09] Speaker 2: and there's and there's these little green bigfoot that mark sightings.
[59:16] Speaker 2: There have been sightings in Boring Absolute And I had
[59:25] Speaker 2: I go a back road down here three seventy second
[59:29] Speaker 2: or something, and they passes over the spring water trail
[59:35] Speaker 2: and it goes up and runs into Palm Lad and
[59:41] Speaker 2: I'm going past this guy's house on the right that
[59:44] Speaker 2: has a bunch of hunting dogs. He's got bears, you know,
[59:48] Speaker 2: their hounds that sound like beagles, and he's got a
[59:54] Speaker 2: tall fence, and there's a bunch of Arboridis running along
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: the roadside. And I had something. I had something flown
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: at me from you know, somebody must have been laying
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: down on the ground and threw something out and and
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: hit my vand I didn't want to know or anything.
[1:00:18] Speaker 2: Let's see. Uh h, I'm I mean, I'm so glad
[1:00:30] Speaker 2: that I document stuff m accidentally, even where I took
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: my son down to it by Eagle Fern Park. It's
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: right on actually North Fork Eagle Creek that dumps into
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: Eagle Creek, and it's a park. Is a little three
[1:01:01] Speaker 2: little pull off there, and across the road is a
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: walking path that goes up on top of abute bigs.
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: A society will be right back after these messages.
[1:01:29] Speaker 2: And circles around and comes back down and there's absolutely
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: nothing up there. I met a woman that my after
[1:01:39] Speaker 2: you know, i'd seen her walking and he was still
[1:01:42] Speaker 2: down there when she came back down, and after, you know,
[1:01:46] Speaker 2: she there were you know, hurt, any weird noises or
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: anything strange up there to me, Yeah, she's had rockstone
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: at her and the same spot. Uh. I took my
[1:02:01] Speaker 2: son there the next day after I had I wanted
[1:02:09] Speaker 2: to give them stuff, but I knew that there was
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: a cat around that I was feeding cat food to
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: to keep it from climbing after the stuff that I
[1:02:18] Speaker 2: was leaving for the big hairy forest people. And I
[1:02:24] Speaker 2: pulled this one, well a bit of a sucker off
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: the old dead tree, pulled it down, put it under
[1:02:33] Speaker 2: my arm, started cutting twigs to in pale. There were
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: hot dogs and maybe there were a litt little sausages
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: that I was bringing them, and it slipped out from
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: underneath my arm, and I had reached back up and
[1:02:49] Speaker 2: bring it down, worked on again, slipped up, lost it,
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: grabbed it again, finally got it done, and I changed
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: into the video of it and showed, you know, I
[1:03:01] Speaker 2: got here's this, and then I put over to the light.
[1:03:04] Speaker 2: I broke the little chocolate wax donuts and half and
[1:03:10] Speaker 2: put them all over in the tree or both right
[1:03:14] Speaker 2: there with it. And then the next morning I came
[1:03:18] Speaker 2: back with my son and the headlights hid it and
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: I'm like, Josh, look at this and go out and
[1:03:30] Speaker 2: I inspect it, and oh my lord, it was nicely
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: woven and held. There was another little sucker coming out
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: of the ground from something else that they freaking attached
[1:03:50] Speaker 2: it to and wove it to so that I could
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: just easily put that stuff on their hands free. And
[1:03:59] Speaker 2: it sent a bit of a m I had a
[1:04:04] Speaker 2: smile on my face, but it sends a sugar for
[1:04:07] Speaker 2: me because I was like, wow, I'm looking over It's
[1:04:12] Speaker 2: like somebody was sitting up on that hill watching me.
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: Oh lord, yea, you know. And I found uh found
[1:04:25] Speaker 2: a place where you know, I called it a bigfoot
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: picnic area because there were a bunch of deer bones there,
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: white deer bones. Like wow, yeah, somebody somebody sat here
[1:04:40] Speaker 2: and had a meal. I've got I've got a somewhere
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: on there on my on my channel is and what
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: a minute for eight seconds? It says that it's a
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: minute forty eight seconds into it where it's probably about
[1:05:08] Speaker 2: twelve o'clock at night, and I have my thermal in
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: my rolled up in my passenger window. I'm facing the
[1:05:18] Speaker 2: creek and my firm will fafing back towards the road,
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: and I didn't look through it really good to see
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: how my view was because it's kind of skewed. It's
[1:05:31] Speaker 2: not centered, it's to the tilted to the right. And
[1:05:35] Speaker 2: here comes a big hairy person walking down the side
[1:05:40] Speaker 2: of the road, and you can tell, you can see
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: when they see me, and they start pausing and they
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: like they'll duck down, and then they end up down
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: in a bit of a bit of a dip or
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: a bit of the bowl in the bushes, and they
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: stay there. My my thermal records, they stayed there for
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: oh there twenty minutes before. I mean, I start moving,
[1:06:14] Speaker 2: moving the camera to get like, you know, okays going
[1:06:17] Speaker 2: to do a panoramic over the period. So we'll be
[1:06:20] Speaker 2: here for a little bit. Then I'll skid it to
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: the left a little bit, and then I'll wait alone
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: and so on. And he flows the rock and he
[1:06:32] Speaker 2: comes up and he gets caught behind a rock, and
[1:06:39] Speaker 2: then I move it again and that's when he actually
[1:06:44] Speaker 2: runs out in front of my van and he's fallow.
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: I mean, the trees that's in the video is unmistakable,
[1:06:57] Speaker 2: and I've got many videos and pictures of it there
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: in that little parking lot. And when you look at
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: it in slow motion, when I slowed it down on
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: my computer and then put it on YouTube and slowed
[1:07:14] Speaker 2: it down to twenty five, it goes so slow that
[1:07:19] Speaker 2: you can indeed tell that it is a male. And
[1:07:28] Speaker 2: it goes so fast in the regular speed. It's just
[1:07:32] Speaker 2: like I watched in the video. I'm like, who is that?
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: I mean, so fast that that the camera can't you know,
[1:07:44] Speaker 2: can't get all of the form.
[1:07:46] Speaker 4: And so yeah, real quick, sorry, real quick, because that
[1:07:55] Speaker 4: parts it extremely interesting.
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: That is those are some of the clips you sent
[1:07:59] Speaker 1: to me right in the email. Yeah, okay, so that
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: thermal is those thermal clips are so interesting because yes
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: there is I mean I've seen a lot and there
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: is a bipedal figure in those clips. It's it's no mistake.
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: Did you were you able to try to do any
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: tests to see, like figure out how tall that figure
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: was that you captured on thermal and you like comparison.
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: Testing or that is that is video I show you,
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: I show you a bit of the video and I'm
[1:08:42] Speaker 2: freaking out because I'm like, you can hear it in
[1:08:46] Speaker 2: my voice that I'm in flight mode realizing how big
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: he is and I measured a stick. I had a
[1:08:55] Speaker 2: love for wood. I just absolutely love you know, the
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: stripped river soft or dried out wood. I've got a
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: love for wood. I what the heck blew up? Oh?
[1:09:16] Speaker 2: I measured the stick, and then you know, I knew
[1:09:20] Speaker 2: I could tell right where he comes out at. I
[1:09:25] Speaker 2: can see. I show you the bow, you know, I
[1:09:28] Speaker 2: show you a picture of that spot during the day,
[1:09:34] Speaker 2: and I even I have somebody go over, and somebody
[1:09:39] Speaker 2: shows up there and I ask him to take a
[1:09:41] Speaker 2: thermal and he doesn't do a really good job. But
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: you know where he comes out at from his waist up.
[1:09:49] Speaker 2: I come out from behind that winging my hand and
[1:09:53] Speaker 2: you can't see me. He was She was ten feet
[1:09:59] Speaker 2: tall and he's got twenty in prince.
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Yeah, he's time to well remind me again.
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: So and the area that this was in again, this was.
[1:10:19] Speaker 2: This was at Eagle Fern On. Let me see Eagle
[1:10:25] Speaker 2: Fern Park. The name of the vi yes, it's if
[1:10:30] Speaker 2: you're there is a road right by it that is
[1:10:35] Speaker 2: called it starts with an am. I think, uh, Eagle
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: Fern Parks And I you know, I I measured, I
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: did I didn't realize that I could hold my thumb
[1:11:01] Speaker 2: on my screen and keep stretching out and go all
[1:11:06] Speaker 2: the way out to where I first encountered them. They're
[1:11:12] Speaker 2: a wildcat. It is exactly ten miles as the bird
[1:11:16] Speaker 2: flies that they go ingle for Okay, it is dummy,
[1:11:27] Speaker 2: dum dumb. Okay. The name of the road, Oh, it's
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: Kitts Miller Southeast k I t Z Miller Road, And yeah,
[1:11:47] Speaker 2: they go up and down that. I mean, there's there's
[1:11:50] Speaker 2: a spot that I pulled over. The creek runs, you know,
[1:11:54] Speaker 2: Northwolk Eagle Creek runs all the way up there, and
[1:11:58] Speaker 2: I can hear it on It's not even Wildcat anymore.
[1:12:04] Speaker 2: It's it's a forest development road. And the spot that
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: I saw at was at the beginning of the trail
[1:12:16] Speaker 2: one oh five going up to Wildcat Mountain Trail ahead,
[1:12:22] Speaker 2: and I can hear nor. I can hear North Spark
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: Eagle Creek sitting there, and I mean, there's there's a
[1:12:32] Speaker 2: spot where you know, I took a video walking back
[1:12:35] Speaker 2: in there and I was going to check it out,
[1:12:38] Speaker 2: but it was like, oh, well, there's one break, I
[1:12:42] Speaker 2: mean bow down they were. They were breaking down limbs
[1:12:47] Speaker 2: and making it so I had to duck underneath them.
[1:12:50] Speaker 2: And when I ducked underneath the third one, I was like, yeah,
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's wanted back here that And along
[1:12:59] Speaker 2: that road it is where I got that footprint, and
[1:13:03] Speaker 2: I wish I'd had casting materials to do it. And
[1:13:11] Speaker 2: let's see, uh, down there at the one spot that's
[1:13:20] Speaker 2: that's where you know, right across from him walking off
[1:13:27] Speaker 2: and behind that street is that little gravel parking lot.
[1:13:31] Speaker 2: You know, you can set three or four cars in
[1:13:33] Speaker 2: there if you could. And he knew he knew, I
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: mean from from where recorded at. He was right across
[1:13:45] Speaker 2: the road, and you know he's probably fifty feet away,
[1:13:49] Speaker 2: sixty feet away. He knew we were there. And you know,
[1:13:54] Speaker 2: then later that night, he's no way earlier earlier. He's
[1:14:01] Speaker 2: down in the creek and he tosses a pebble to
[1:14:05] Speaker 2: distract my son and he ends up. He's looks like
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: he's on shore when he tosses the pebble, but then
[1:14:15] Speaker 2: you know, a few minutes later, it looks like he's
[1:14:18] Speaker 2: laying out in the creek on his back. And let's
[1:14:24] Speaker 2: say there's there's one where I got it, And I
[1:14:28] Speaker 2: was like, wow, what what's this. It was the one
[1:14:32] Speaker 2: where he stands up big and Harry stuck like shrucks. Oh.
[1:14:38] Speaker 2: I called it big boy rising for his ease, okay,
[1:14:42] Speaker 2: And it's got a funt going around him up there
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: on the on the thumbnail. And I went and I
[1:14:52] Speaker 2: did a comparison. I went ahead and I set up
[1:14:56] Speaker 2: my frmal during the day in my window like it
[1:14:59] Speaker 2: was when I was getting him and or to match
[1:15:05] Speaker 2: the same, you know, to match the screen. I got
[1:15:08] Speaker 2: it as close as I could, and then I walked
[1:15:10] Speaker 2: down there and I walked up the hillside to where
[1:15:14] Speaker 2: I thought I found where he come up from. But no,
[1:15:21] Speaker 2: there was another one there, but it never stood up.
[1:15:27] Speaker 2: There's a second there's a little bitty a dot of
[1:15:31] Speaker 2: the heat's signature below him, and that's where I went,
[1:15:36] Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, he was. He
[1:15:40] Speaker 2: was a lot further up that hill, so he was
[1:15:45] Speaker 2: he was further away and higher up. So you know,
[1:15:49] Speaker 2: as big as as big as he looks coming up
[1:15:53] Speaker 2: from his little spot up there, he's huge.
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: Big society be right back after these messages, you know.
[1:16:18] Speaker 2: I mean, if he's two foot tallis got at least
[1:16:22] Speaker 2: four or five foot shoulders and you know, standing there.
[1:16:28] Speaker 2: When I went over with my stick to measure, I started.
[1:16:33] Speaker 2: My voice is shaking. I mean you can hear it.
[1:16:36] Speaker 2: And I'm breathing heavy, like I've been running or something.
[1:16:40] Speaker 2: And I stand there and I realized, oh my gosh,
[1:16:45] Speaker 2: if he was standing here, I don't even want to
[1:16:47] Speaker 2: think about it, you know. I mean, my head's you know, yeah,
[1:16:58] Speaker 2: my head's not even up to his belly butt.
[1:17:00] Speaker 1: That's wild.
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And then you know that, uh, that night
[1:17:10] Speaker 2: that I got squeezed like Sharman was Actually I just
[1:17:17] Speaker 2: put this clip up and it's only forty two seconds.
[1:17:24] Speaker 2: It says the night I was squeezed like Sharman. And
[1:17:32] Speaker 2: I don't know my son's got the camera. But down
[1:17:36] Speaker 2: on the creek, somebody comes up from it's it's tall,
[1:17:44] Speaker 2: it is from from where he's standing. His head sticks up.
[1:17:49] Speaker 2: The creek is probably down ten feet maybe, and he
[1:17:57] Speaker 2: stood up on this on the uh on the hillside,
[1:18:02] Speaker 2: and peeked up over the roots of the tree. And
[1:18:05] Speaker 2: he was just there for I mean a split a
[1:18:10] Speaker 2: few seconds or not even not even a whole second.
[1:18:15] Speaker 2: It was crazy. Uh, that that was the night that
[1:18:26] Speaker 2: I got I've got the video footage of the over
[1:18:36] Speaker 2: sibling and the younger one running toward down the creek,
[1:18:42] Speaker 2: and I mean when I when this happened, and I'm
[1:18:45] Speaker 2: like looking at the at the video, I'm talking to
[1:18:49] Speaker 2: myself and I processed it out loud and I'm like
[1:18:54] Speaker 2: and I'm right there. I went back. It was during
[1:18:57] Speaker 2: the day, and I'm talking to the camp and saying that,
[1:19:02] Speaker 2: you know, if that couldn't have been their mother, because
[1:19:07] Speaker 2: their mother wouldn't have been running ahead of them and
[1:19:11] Speaker 2: leaving them behind, it had to be an older brother
[1:19:15] Speaker 2: or sister. And that's when it hit me. It was like,
[1:19:19] Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this this group is the same one
[1:19:25] Speaker 2: from up world chat and they just come down the
[1:19:29] Speaker 2: creek and I've got you can see where the stick
[1:19:37] Speaker 2: gets tossed, comes out and it bounces in the grass.
[1:19:43] Speaker 2: And that's when I had told my son had the
[1:19:45] Speaker 2: thermal and I had the spotlight, and I said, did
[1:19:49] Speaker 2: you hear that? And he's like what And I said,
[1:19:53] Speaker 2: it sounded like something moushing through grass, like a foot
[1:19:58] Speaker 2: or a bunny rabbit or something, and he's all ware
[1:20:02] Speaker 2: And I pointed this spot light out to the right
[1:20:05] Speaker 2: in front of me about I don't know ten feet
[1:20:08] Speaker 2: out and I said about there, and he's like, I'm
[1:20:14] Speaker 2: ready to go. I want to go. He hadn't told
[1:20:18] Speaker 2: me what he'd been touching on the funnel, but I
[1:20:21] Speaker 2: told him. I said, you know they're here. I know
[1:20:24] Speaker 2: I can tell they're here, but they don't mean any harm.
[1:20:30] Speaker 2: And so I, after finding out on the video, I
[1:20:34] Speaker 2: was like, well, I was just off. You know how
[1:20:37] Speaker 2: if you turned your head you can be mistaken to
[1:20:40] Speaker 2: where the sounds coming from. It was actually to the
[1:20:44] Speaker 2: left that that stick landed and I found it and
[1:20:50] Speaker 2: it matches the one in the video, and it's from
[1:20:55] Speaker 2: the dash of my van that they threw at me
[1:21:00] Speaker 2: when they didn't throw at me, to just threw it
[1:21:02] Speaker 2: out there to distract. And then shortly after that you
[1:21:09] Speaker 2: wanted to leave, and I did a build on my van.
[1:21:13] Speaker 2: It is it is wall the wall, all the inside
[1:21:19] Speaker 2: is tongue in drew climb and on my door you
[1:21:25] Speaker 2: can't stay through the window anymore. It's all paneled. And
[1:21:28] Speaker 2: I made a pulled down table that would be held
[1:21:33] Speaker 2: up with a little chains and from it getting slam
[1:21:38] Speaker 2: shut because you know everybody's got to slam the door shut.
[1:21:43] Speaker 2: It gets well compromised and it would fall down and
[1:21:48] Speaker 2: I'd have to pull it up before I, you know,
[1:21:50] Speaker 2: put it back up before I could open the door.
[1:21:52] Speaker 2: And so it had done that when my son got
[1:21:54] Speaker 2: out and shut it, and he was like, you know,
[1:21:58] Speaker 2: I'm there. You go and he goes around to the
[1:22:01] Speaker 2: door and he opens it and he gets up. I'm like,
[1:22:04] Speaker 2: hold on, I've got to go in there and fix
[1:22:06] Speaker 2: it so you can get in. And I'm wearing the
[1:22:10] Speaker 2: same rubber boots that is in that picture where I
[1:22:14] Speaker 2: found that big twenty inch print. And so I get
[1:22:19] Speaker 2: in and I've taken out my passenger seat and it
[1:22:25] Speaker 2: is got a case in it, a fireproof case, and
[1:22:28] Speaker 2: it's put a woodstove in, and I've got a bench
[1:22:33] Speaker 2: like a pull down bench in the middle, and I'm
[1:22:36] Speaker 2: laying across that one night belly diagonally to fix the door.
[1:22:42] Speaker 2: My feet are hanging out my driver's door, and he's right,
[1:22:47] Speaker 2: you know, the door's open a little bit, like I
[1:22:50] Speaker 2: don't know, three inches. He can see that I'm there,
[1:22:54] Speaker 2: and I can see that he's there, and he's really
[1:22:56] Speaker 2: wanting in, and all of a sudden, I feel on
[1:23:01] Speaker 2: my right foot a gradual squeeze very slowly and softly,
[1:23:09] Speaker 2: like they're they're coming. They're feeling that rubber, they're feeling
[1:23:17] Speaker 2: the rubber boot and that it's giving. You know, I'm
[1:23:20] Speaker 2: not feeling it out, So they're they're waiting untill they
[1:23:23] Speaker 2: run into my flash. And I didn't hear myself, but
[1:23:30] Speaker 2: I know I started kicking and flailing, and the thought
[1:23:34] Speaker 2: that was going through my head was, oh my god,
[1:23:36] Speaker 2: I'm gonna get drug out by a bigfoot. I had
[1:23:39] Speaker 2: him been screaming. I had to make noise because my
[1:23:44] Speaker 2: son went from running around the friend of the land,
[1:23:49] Speaker 2: and by the time he gets to my door, I'm
[1:23:51] Speaker 2: standing there outside on the ground and I said, did
[1:23:56] Speaker 2: you grab my foot? And he's like new and God
[1:24:01] Speaker 2: bless them alone along the pieces. He reminds me of
[1:24:06] Speaker 2: e Or And he didn't. He did not squeeze me.
[1:24:14] Speaker 2: He was right outside the door when that happened. But
[1:24:19] Speaker 2: you know, our our denial system worked to protect us.
[1:24:26] Speaker 2: And when we got home, we came out into the
[1:24:30] Speaker 2: motor home and I started I downloaded that stuff and
[1:24:36] Speaker 2: and was thinking about what it happened. And I'm like,
[1:24:41] Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, no, you didn't. You you are
[1:24:49] Speaker 2: I you, your denial worked to save you too, to
[1:24:55] Speaker 2: protect us, because I said, picture it. If I I
[1:25:00] Speaker 2: had said, you know, did you grab my foot, my uncle,
[1:25:04] Speaker 2: then you just said no, and you'd feel all that
[1:25:07] Speaker 2: we had gotten in the van and I would appeal
[1:25:11] Speaker 2: out of there. We very likely would have ended up
[1:25:15] Speaker 2: going into Eagle Creek when I turned right on that bridge. Yeah,
[1:25:22] Speaker 2: I mean, And so that was the last time he
[1:25:28] Speaker 2: went with me, and it kind of did. It did
[1:25:33] Speaker 2: to him what I was talking about earlier, that it
[1:25:39] Speaker 2: happens to some people.
[1:25:40] Speaker 1: I mean, he.
[1:25:42] Speaker 2: Fell off the face or he's homeless. Last time I
[1:25:49] Speaker 2: heard he was living under a bridge and Portland and
[1:25:53] Speaker 2: I you know, I don't know, I don't know what
[1:25:56] Speaker 2: happened to him, but I know that then it messed
[1:26:01] Speaker 2: with him. I mean, he got we went to on
[1:26:04] Speaker 2: that On that way going out to Eagle Front Park
[1:26:10] Speaker 2: is another place we called the fish Ladder, so on
[1:26:13] Speaker 2: the right hand side, and you know, people aren't supposed
[1:26:17] Speaker 2: to go in. They've been trying for years to keep
[1:26:19] Speaker 2: people out, but good luck with that. It's fun and
[1:26:23] Speaker 2: it's beautiful. And I took him down there to see
[1:26:28] Speaker 2: how high the water was. And when you come back.
[1:26:33] Speaker 2: I was ahead of him down walking down the path
[1:26:36] Speaker 2: back to the van, and he was probably about thirty
[1:26:42] Speaker 2: feet behind me, forty feet behind me, and he heard growl.
[1:26:47] Speaker 2: He got growled at, and that scared the crap out
[1:26:53] Speaker 2: of him. And you know, they don't they seemed him
[1:26:58] Speaker 2: for the most part a time of men. I was
[1:27:03] Speaker 2: really surprised that then got graled at. But uh, you know, oh,
[1:27:12] Speaker 2: maybe someone will here this. Maybe whoever did this will remember,
[1:27:20] Speaker 2: of course and recognize that it was them and write
[1:27:26] Speaker 2: in the comments or send you an email or something
[1:27:28] Speaker 2: that it was snow and it was still snow on
[1:27:33] Speaker 2: the ground up Wildcat. I took my son with me
[1:27:37] Speaker 2: and we stopped at where I first filmed. Got my
[1:27:43] Speaker 2: little admirer on thermal and when I go out and
[1:27:48] Speaker 2: he's he's skinny and and got me on his bone,
[1:27:53] Speaker 2: so he gets pulled easy and he wouldn't come out
[1:27:55] Speaker 2: with me. So I walked across the road and I
[1:27:59] Speaker 2: find I find big, big footprints. I mean they look
[1:28:06] Speaker 2: like a shoe because the rounded, but I put my
[1:28:10] Speaker 2: foot next to it and you know it's not a
[1:28:13] Speaker 2: snow shoe and it's huge and right there, going along
[1:28:19] Speaker 2: with it are wolf some wolf prints. And so then
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: I crossed the link to go toward the logging road,
[1:28:31] Speaker 2: and I'm always looking down and I'm recording, and I'm
[1:28:38] Speaker 2: like a handprint. It was a big handprint, and I
[1:28:45] Speaker 2: put my hand over it, you know, it's like two
[1:28:50] Speaker 2: inches more and two inches longer fingers. And I go
[1:28:57] Speaker 2: into immediate flight, sounding like I'm freaking out and just
[1:29:03] Speaker 2: run a marathon, and and I'm like, wow, you know, okay.
[1:29:11] Speaker 2: I keep going go around the gate, and I see
[1:29:16] Speaker 2: some friends that look like, hmmm, those those look suspicious.
[1:29:21] Speaker 2: And I keep going down and I didn't fit. But
[1:29:24] Speaker 2: in in my video there is a bleak bottle to
[1:29:28] Speaker 2: the left, and I end up noticing something further down
[1:29:36] Speaker 2: the road on the right hand edge as a gravel road,
[1:29:41] Speaker 2: and I walk down there and I'm like, what's this
[1:29:45] Speaker 2: it is? It looks like kind of like you know,
[1:29:48] Speaker 2: a paint can or a big coffee can, only it's plastic.
[1:29:54] Speaker 2: I didn't bother to continue reading the applications on it,
[1:29:58] Speaker 2: but I think somebody wanted to get some prints, wanted
[1:30:10] Speaker 2: to do some uh you know, plaster cur some molds
[1:30:16] Speaker 2: because you can't do them in the snow. I didn't
[1:30:18] Speaker 2: realize that gotta have the right stuff. And I think
[1:30:22] Speaker 2: like maybe there was a truck there and that handprint
[1:30:27] Speaker 2: was him, you know, getting down and looking around the
[1:30:31] Speaker 2: back of his truck down the road at.
[1:30:33] Speaker 1: The guy begs a society will be right back after
[1:30:36] Speaker 1: these messages.
[1:30:54] Speaker 2: And then seeing and knowing that he wants to take
[1:30:58] Speaker 2: a cast of his footprint, and it probably pissed them off.
[1:31:02] Speaker 2: I found a pile of I said, oh, this looks
[1:31:07] Speaker 2: like past her perish and it's powdering white. And that's
[1:31:12] Speaker 2: when I looked down and I saw that container probably
[1:31:15] Speaker 2: about twenty or thirty feet down the road, maybe forty feet,
[1:31:20] Speaker 2: and you know, it's colored in small, not dense, but
[1:31:29] Speaker 2: the paper has been It looks like a pattern like
[1:31:34] Speaker 2: it got hit against something that that just took little
[1:31:39] Speaker 2: pieces of paper off. It was really weird. But it
[1:31:42] Speaker 2: also looks like it got angrily squeezed and broken like
[1:31:47] Speaker 2: fish like, you know, not a pop can, but but
[1:31:50] Speaker 2: something brittle. And yeah, I think I think somebody had
[1:31:58] Speaker 2: the food scared at him when they're we're going to
[1:32:00] Speaker 2: take cass. And there were some tissues down there too
[1:32:04] Speaker 2: that really mhm freaked me out. I was it scared
[1:32:10] Speaker 2: me out. I walked down filming at night with the
[1:32:14] Speaker 2: flash on and got the tennis shoe to my foot
[1:32:17] Speaker 2: next Jade laying there, and then turned and ran back.
[1:32:21] Speaker 2: I know that they have that they have been here.
[1:32:25] Speaker 2: Oh oh wait, mind speak. That was it. After my
[1:32:32] Speaker 2: little admirer squeezed me like sarmon, I was like, I
[1:32:39] Speaker 2: go there and I talk out the windows in the dark,
[1:32:44] Speaker 2: and I hung my hand out the door at the window,
[1:32:50] Speaker 2: and I'm telling him, you know, if he wanted a
[1:32:54] Speaker 2: little admire if he wanted to touch me, let me know,
[1:32:58] Speaker 2: you know, give me some sort of you know sound sign,
[1:33:05] Speaker 2: like like a baby something happy, like a baby cooling,
[1:33:10] Speaker 2: is what I said, like a baby cooling. And kept
[1:33:16] Speaker 2: talking and little and I ended up. H I go
[1:33:20] Speaker 2: back and go back a lot. But I think it
[1:33:23] Speaker 2: was about a week later. For some reason, I needed
[1:33:28] Speaker 2: something out of the back and I didn't want to
[1:33:30] Speaker 2: crawl through from the inside. So I got my lamp
[1:33:35] Speaker 2: and went around some my slider and opened it and
[1:33:38] Speaker 2: I was looking around for stuff in there, for something,
[1:33:42] Speaker 2: and all of a sudden I hear like a really
[1:33:47] Speaker 2: loud panting pappy puppies is what it sounds like I
[1:33:53] Speaker 2: whirled around screaming. I still cannot to this day, but
[1:34:00] Speaker 2: how I screamed. It sounded like something out of a
[1:34:04] Speaker 2: horror movie. It was so loud and nothing, there was
[1:34:11] Speaker 2: nothing there. So I get back in my van and
[1:34:18] Speaker 2: it's like, wow, you know that that that just happened.
[1:34:22] Speaker 2: I mean, I knew what it was. I you know,
[1:34:27] Speaker 2: I knew what it was. And there. You know, when
[1:34:31] Speaker 2: you're born with an ability, that doesn't mean that you're
[1:34:37] Speaker 2: going to be able to do it right from the gate.
[1:34:40] Speaker 2: You know, you've got to learn how to and you know,
[1:34:43] Speaker 2: control it. And I think clearly that that this little
[1:34:49] Speaker 2: person and this little hairy person needed to work on
[1:34:52] Speaker 2: their volume because it was really really loud. Well starting
[1:35:00] Speaker 2: to share it because I'm sitting out in my in way.
[1:35:04] Speaker 2: It could be hot. That isn't hot to stay cooler
[1:35:09] Speaker 2: in the heat. Mm hmm mm hm. Oh my gosh,
[1:35:19] Speaker 2: I can't believe this. I've never I mean, this is
[1:35:23] Speaker 2: just it's a bit u oh what not overwhelming, Well
[1:35:30] Speaker 2: maybe a little bit. To be able to talk about
[1:35:34] Speaker 2: all this stuff. I just yeah, I think about I
[1:35:39] Speaker 2: think about all the people that you've had on that
[1:35:45] Speaker 2: you know, like I can relate to, you know. I
[1:35:50] Speaker 2: mean when I showed up up there on the Wildcat
[1:35:56] Speaker 2: and that little guy was looking out, I mean from
[1:36:00] Speaker 2: behind that tree. You know. He I think he was
[1:36:04] Speaker 2: like she was in awe. He was like, I think
[1:36:08] Speaker 2: they can they can see our oris, you know they can.
[1:36:14] Speaker 2: You know, it's like you have a neon sign flashing
[1:36:18] Speaker 2: hanging out her neck that you know they can tell.
[1:36:25] Speaker 2: They can tell that you're you know, you're a good person.
[1:36:32] Speaker 2: And I can't believe that, you know, all the hearing
[1:36:39] Speaker 2: somebody say that all all the bad experiences were red ones.
[1:36:44] Speaker 2: But I mean that's that's where they are. I mean clearly,
[1:36:48] Speaker 2: because you know, someone who wants to kill you or
[1:36:56] Speaker 2: eat you isn't going to run down the road and
[1:37:00] Speaker 2: wait for you to stop you from crying by showing
[1:37:03] Speaker 2: themselves to you like that, right, And you know he
[1:37:06] Speaker 2: covered himself, covered its face up so he didn't make
[1:37:11] Speaker 2: me start crying for a different reason.
[1:37:14] Speaker 1: That's really interesting.
[1:37:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've heard I've heard a time or two
[1:37:23] Speaker 2: where one hid behind they saw him sitting up on
[1:37:30] Speaker 2: a cliff side on the road and they were sitting
[1:37:34] Speaker 2: there holding a tree right between their legs in front
[1:37:38] Speaker 2: of them. I mean, there's they are a people. They
[1:37:45] Speaker 2: are and you know, they they have a language, they
[1:37:50] Speaker 2: understand us. You know that they're I'm sure they're gone
[1:37:57] Speaker 2: to live longer because they are ground. They're they're not
[1:38:02] Speaker 2: wearing river soles and and ungrounded from the earth. Yeah.
[1:38:13] Speaker 2: And and you know, I mean Patty, she's got a
[1:38:19] Speaker 2: hair on her face. She you know, she looks different.
[1:38:22] Speaker 2: There's there's more than there's more than just one kind
[1:38:28] Speaker 2: out there. I mean they there are ones they look human,
[1:38:33] Speaker 2: that look like you know, and Neanderthal big dalage.
[1:38:39] Speaker 1: So if you go off of the just the reports
[1:38:41] Speaker 1: that i've you know, received, there are different kinds. They
[1:38:46] Speaker 1: look different in different parts of the US. That's without
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: question for sure.
[1:38:51] Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, like the ones down in a Florida
[1:38:58] Speaker 2: or smaller exactly. Yep.
[1:39:00] Speaker 1: The further south you get they are they are smaller
[1:39:05] Speaker 1: for sure, and reverse the further north you get, you know,
[1:39:10] Speaker 1: up in Alaska they're they're much bigger, you know, and
[1:39:13] Speaker 1: up north in Canada. But you know, Lisa, you're the
[1:39:19] Speaker 1: things you've experienced so far over the years is just incredible.
[1:39:23] Speaker 1: But I would love to, you know, just while I've
[1:39:26] Speaker 1: got you here. Have you ever heard of anything going
[1:39:30] Speaker 1: on south of you? Like I'm going to be down
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: in the Willamette National Forest soon down near like oak
[1:39:36] Speaker 1: Ridge area. Have you ever heard of anything happening down there?
[1:39:44] Speaker 2: No? No, but I did. I have been listening to
[1:39:50] Speaker 2: you say how you're going to go down there, and
[1:39:52] Speaker 2: I've heard I've heard some of the stuff that was
[1:39:55] Speaker 2: that was talked about that. Oh when was that guy's
[1:40:00] Speaker 2: name that you just had on it? His stuff happened
[1:40:06] Speaker 2: around there really close.
[1:40:08] Speaker 1: Oh, there has been there's been cool. Yeah, there's been
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: the gentleman out by Spirit Lake. There's been the gentleman
[1:40:16] Speaker 1: where his dog got thrown up in a tree. I
[1:40:21] Speaker 1: guess that was a little bit west of Oakridge. But yeah,
[1:40:25] Speaker 1: there's just man organ is just is full of wild
[1:40:30] Speaker 1: stories but also really you know, interesting stories like the
[1:40:37] Speaker 1: ones you've shared that maybe are not super aggressive, but
[1:40:41] Speaker 1: are also very interesting to analyze, you know, how they
[1:40:44] Speaker 1: are interacting with humans, you know, and the way that
[1:40:48] Speaker 1: you've been sharing.
[1:40:51] Speaker 2: I think you can, I think you can kind of
[1:40:56] Speaker 2: look at it and if you compare it to us.
[1:41:02] Speaker 2: We are raised being told stories, being told you know, experiences,
[1:41:13] Speaker 2: you know, Okay, well, this kind of stuff happened in uh, Mississippi.
[1:41:17] Speaker 2: So you know that they grew up hearing about you know,
[1:41:22] Speaker 2: Billy Joe are you know? Yeah, Billy Billy Joe mccalisterns
[1:41:27] Speaker 2: and boss of Tallahatchie Bridge. You know, you just you hear,
[1:41:32] Speaker 2: you hear different stuff. You're raised on different histories. Uh.
[1:41:39] Speaker 2: And you know I I heard someone uh say that
[1:41:44] Speaker 2: that they are told when they reach a certain age,
[1:41:48] Speaker 2: they are told about us a little hairless ones. And
[1:41:53] Speaker 2: you know, I can only imagine the thing is that
[1:41:56] Speaker 2: they're told because we are not nice or I shouldn't
[1:41:59] Speaker 2: say we because I'm not a mouse in somebody's pocket.
[1:42:03] Speaker 2: You know, they're not nice, And I mean that's why
[1:42:09] Speaker 2: you know they know what guns are? You know, they
[1:42:17] Speaker 2: they there's the reason why they don't like us, why
[1:42:21] Speaker 2: they don't trust us. And if they can tell, if
[1:42:25] Speaker 2: they can tell a person's intent, that says a lot
[1:42:31] Speaker 2: about missing for allowing one hunted the hunted, you know,
[1:42:35] Speaker 2: I mean, when you know they're looking for another hunter
[1:42:42] Speaker 2: and they accidentally find a young man shoved up underneath
[1:42:48] Speaker 2: the root system in a tree, and you know who's
[1:42:53] Speaker 2: going to do that? People ask about the red eyes
[1:42:59] Speaker 2: I listen into some guy interviewing Stevensdall, and you know
[1:43:07] Speaker 2: it's like they got this this little problem with the
[1:43:13] Speaker 2: eyes uh illuminating someone within, and it's like, well, you know,
[1:43:20] Speaker 2: I'm a thinker, I'm you know, I'm a truth seeker.
[1:43:25] Speaker 2: I dissect and we know about you know, optopus sea creatures,
[1:43:32] Speaker 2: they can change their colors, lizards, and so there's you know,
[1:43:39] Speaker 2: there's a there's a reason for it. It doesn't just happen.
[1:43:43] Speaker 2: And I mean they're they're either hunting, it's a survival thing.
[1:43:46] Speaker 2: It's either food or safety. And our eyes have rods
[1:43:55] Speaker 2: in them that are for night vision. And I've heard
[1:44:00] Speaker 2: somewhere quite a while back that we have somewhere between
[1:44:04] Speaker 2: seven and nine in each eye and big for it
[1:44:13] Speaker 2: in the sasquatch big Harry folks and white being called
[1:44:16] Speaker 2: that other stuff may can see quite clearly at night.
[1:44:22] Speaker 2: I mean, there's this one guy, I haven't seen him
[1:44:26] Speaker 2: put up any videos in a long time that he's
[1:44:29] Speaker 2: called we do it Outdoors and he actually he actually
[1:44:35] Speaker 2: uh cut out some of one of my favorite videos
[1:44:39] Speaker 2: of his that I recorded, that part where he gets
[1:44:45] Speaker 2: he gets drug off. He's out with his brother I think,
[1:44:49] Speaker 2: and he gets drug off and you see at the
[1:44:53] Speaker 2: end of the video you see upside down a slick
[1:44:57] Speaker 2: two feet walking away. But he took this one thermal
[1:45:01] Speaker 2: and his device. He holds it out in front of
[1:45:04] Speaker 2: him like it's for an electrician or something. It's really
[1:45:08] Speaker 2: way more expensive than mine was, I'm sure, but he
[1:45:11] Speaker 2: told me he's like you see him. You see the
[1:45:15] Speaker 2: big guy walk along, reach out, push up a branch
[1:45:19] Speaker 2: out of the way and step over probably a log.
[1:45:23] Speaker 2: But it is pitch black out there, so I think
[1:45:30] Speaker 2: that you know, they know that there. Maybe they have
[1:45:38] Speaker 2: a thermal maybe that is actually thermal viewing wait to view,
[1:45:45] Speaker 2: and that the AI that they made, the thermal imaging
[1:45:53] Speaker 2: that I have was reverse engineered and they would need
[1:46:01] Speaker 2: a big hairy person to dissect. And you know, I
[1:46:07] Speaker 2: don't know, or maybe maybe a sense of red, but
[1:46:12] Speaker 2: I do believe that that glow comes from their loots.
[1:46:19] Speaker 2: You know, they do something maybe you know, maybe it
[1:46:23] Speaker 2: has to do with like when that guy said he
[1:46:28] Speaker 2: was he was spoken to you, or you know, this
[1:46:34] Speaker 2: big hairy guy stepped out. He had seen his arm
[1:46:38] Speaker 2: in his hand on a tree and he stepped out
[1:46:41] Speaker 2: and was standing there and he like he quinched his
[1:46:44] Speaker 2: fifth back and forth like in like an anger.
[1:46:48] Speaker 1: Maybe big so society will be right back after these messages.
[1:47:08] Speaker 2: Possibly, and he felt he felt something come to him like,
[1:47:15] Speaker 2: you know, what do you what are you doing here?
[1:47:18] Speaker 2: What is your you know, I took this type thing,
[1:47:21] Speaker 2: and he felt inclined to speak out loud and tell
[1:47:25] Speaker 2: him that he didn't intend him any harm, that he
[1:47:31] Speaker 2: only carries you know, the side arm out of habit.
[1:47:36] Speaker 2: And but the guys, the big hairy guy's eyes went red,
[1:47:41] Speaker 2: they started glowing, and so I'd have to re listen
[1:47:46] Speaker 2: to that and see exactly when they started growing. But
[1:47:49] Speaker 2: it's you know, you live a marine life deep down
[1:47:55] Speaker 2: in the old thing. Organisms have something in their system
[1:48:00] Speaker 2: that can a line up like a mean light. So
[1:48:04] Speaker 2: I mean, it's not it's not all alone with possibilities,
[1:48:09] Speaker 2: and I can really easily imagine it. Absolutely.
[1:48:14] Speaker 1: It is so many interesting theories and and things to
[1:48:20] Speaker 1: consider that Lisa has been such a such an interesting chat. Uh,
[1:48:26] Speaker 1: you're different things you've encountered, and I'm just thankful we
[1:48:28] Speaker 1: were able to get you on in order that you'd
[1:48:31] Speaker 1: be able to share the whole story. So thank you
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: for coming on.
[1:48:37] Speaker 2: I've seen fairy I've got footage of fairies too, right
[1:48:43] Speaker 2: down there at that at that same spot where I
[1:48:47] Speaker 2: got squeezed, and they're on there too. They're you know,
[1:48:53] Speaker 2: first and first video being operation or whatever a fairy
[1:48:59] Speaker 2: hill I call fairy hill. You know these things are.
[1:49:04] Speaker 2: They seem to be about two inches around and flat.
[1:49:10] Speaker 2: You know, when it went up a tree. I've got
[1:49:12] Speaker 2: footage of a shrew on that same weird tree that
[1:49:18] Speaker 2: the big guy went in front of and showed his gender.
[1:49:24] Speaker 2: I've got a shrew going up that tree. So you
[1:49:26] Speaker 2: know this one o'clock in the morning. It's not a spider,
[1:49:32] Speaker 2: it's not a squirrel. It's not a bird going around
[1:49:36] Speaker 2: having to from tree to tree, looking like going through
[1:49:41] Speaker 2: holes that are all over that landscape like they look
[1:49:47] Speaker 2: like you know, funnel webs. How you know, the formation
[1:49:53] Speaker 2: of it. It is not something that rodents did when
[1:49:59] Speaker 2: they're out off from the ground, away from the ground
[1:50:02] Speaker 2: and they're in the shrubs and they're just they're holes.
[1:50:06] Speaker 2: They're little tunnels made into the foliage and through some
[1:50:14] Speaker 2: of the naughty bar the tree roots out there on
[1:50:19] Speaker 2: the hill. I mean, and they knew, you know, that
[1:50:26] Speaker 2: night that I got that first solution, I'm like, what
[1:50:28] Speaker 2: are these? I'm like, I'm thinking what came to mind
[1:50:33] Speaker 2: was tinker Bell because some of some of the footage
[1:50:37] Speaker 2: you see a bit of a a thermal jet stream,
[1:50:48] Speaker 2: you know, like when Tinkerbell goes running off and you
[1:50:50] Speaker 2: see the glitter going behind her. If a bit of
[1:50:54] Speaker 2: a heat signature from them going through the air. And
[1:51:00] Speaker 2: that night I went home and I'm looking looking for
[1:51:05] Speaker 2: fairy stuff and I happened upon some guy that had
[1:51:10] Speaker 2: There was a website where he's he started a collection
[1:51:18] Speaker 2: like in fourteen fifty two or something way back, and
[1:51:22] Speaker 2: all these creatures had been caught and kept and in
[1:51:28] Speaker 2: wooden boxes. And there was one of a faery that
[1:51:34] Speaker 2: had a queen or Queen Elizabeth Penny sitting next to it.
[1:51:42] Speaker 2: And you look at that penny next to that figure,
[1:51:45] Speaker 2: and that thing looks like it's about two inches tall.
[1:51:48] Speaker 2: And on on my on my YouTube, I have there's
[1:51:57] Speaker 2: a video very short and it says wtf is that?
[1:52:08] Speaker 2: And there's the thumbnail is the picture of that fairy.
[1:52:12] Speaker 2: And then a piece of videos that I accidentally caught
[1:52:18] Speaker 2: something flying around in a bush that you know it
[1:52:21] Speaker 2: wasn't an insect. It wasn't a bird, and I mean
[1:52:26] Speaker 2: they're very huge. They're down at the water when Josh
[1:52:32] Speaker 2: is getting that well, the one through a rock when
[1:52:38] Speaker 2: it like comes up out of the water and does
[1:52:42] Speaker 2: an art and then it goes back down. I've got
[1:52:49] Speaker 2: eyeballs that are that have got to be big boy,
[1:52:54] Speaker 2: and they're like ten foot up this tree that's behind me.
[1:52:59] Speaker 2: I mean that it's kind of all kinds of stuff
[1:53:03] Speaker 2: m that.
[1:53:04] Speaker 1: It feels like there's gonna be definitely more more things
[1:53:08] Speaker 1: to talk about in the future. I would imagine, who
[1:53:11] Speaker 1: knows what will happen.
[1:53:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, I pissed one off up low Low Pass. Did
[1:53:24] Speaker 2: you when I left the fire burning? Yeah? Yeah, he
[1:53:31] Speaker 2: hit the side of my van and knocked a pot
[1:53:37] Speaker 2: off of a shelf. I mean I I didn't. I
[1:53:44] Speaker 2: was startled by the pot, but I didn't know what
[1:53:47] Speaker 2: it was. And then the next day I get up
[1:53:49] Speaker 2: and I go out and I'm like, wow, all that
[1:53:52] Speaker 2: would burned all the way off. I had a big
[1:53:55] Speaker 2: pile out there. But then I moved to a different
[1:53:57] Speaker 2: spot next door because I left and I wanted that spot,
[1:54:03] Speaker 2: and I was going off and I was recording. I
[1:54:06] Speaker 2: was going off, and I was going to cut some wood,
[1:54:09] Speaker 2: and I found I looked off in the bushes and
[1:54:14] Speaker 2: I found a very specific, recognizable piece of wood that
[1:54:19] Speaker 2: I have out in the motor home that he took
[1:54:23] Speaker 2: off of the fire. He dismantled my fire and he
[1:54:27] Speaker 2: took it, walked a little walkway down on the edge
[1:54:31] Speaker 2: of the creek, and he threw it off in the bushes.
[1:54:35] Speaker 2: And I found it, and I apologized and told them,
[1:54:39] Speaker 2: you know, I got I got downs the water. I
[1:54:41] Speaker 2: brought it down to the fire pit, and I said,
[1:54:45] Speaker 2: see here, I've got water. I will not you know,
[1:54:49] Speaker 2: I will not do that again. But I could feel him. Wow,
[1:54:54] Speaker 2: I could feel him right there.
[1:54:55] Speaker 1: And did you see any tracks outside at all around
[1:54:58] Speaker 1: the van or.
[1:55:03] Speaker 2: No? I didn't. I didn't look, and I didn't realize that,
[1:55:07] Speaker 2: you know, I didn't realize. I thought I had just
[1:55:10] Speaker 2: knocked it off, because at that time I was sleeping
[1:55:13] Speaker 2: with my head behind the driver's seat and it goes
[1:55:17] Speaker 2: diagonal from the driver's seat back to the left corner
[1:55:20] Speaker 2: the right corner, so my head was down there, and
[1:55:23] Speaker 2: I just thought i'd knocked it off, but I didn't.
[1:55:26] Speaker 2: He got peeved.
[1:55:30] Speaker 1: Extremely interesting stuff. I hope that that one interaction doesn't
[1:55:36] Speaker 1: repeat itself in the future. It sounds like most of
[1:55:38] Speaker 1: your interactions are pretty peaceful, so we'll hope that continues.
[1:55:43] Speaker 2: Which one the squeeze one?
[1:55:47] Speaker 1: Well, I guess the squeeze one. I mean, did that
[1:55:51] Speaker 1: leave a did it leave a bruise at all?
[1:55:54] Speaker 2: Or no? No, gently squeezed me like like the Lola Sharmany,
[1:56:01] Speaker 2: gradual until he ran into my into my solid flush.
[1:56:06] Speaker 1: So I would say that's a peaceful interaction, right, I
[1:56:09] Speaker 1: mean it could have been much worse for sure.
[1:56:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was misunderstood, but then you know,
[1:56:15] Speaker 2: I mean they knew when I said, you know, he
[1:56:20] Speaker 2: had you know, a sign something, you know, the sound,
[1:56:25] Speaker 2: something nice like tewing, a happy cuing baby. They didn't
[1:56:31] Speaker 2: have a Korean baby to compare it to, but they
[1:56:33] Speaker 2: were told, well, I'm thinking they're around dogs, so they
[1:56:39] Speaker 2: know what a happy little puppy sounds like.
[1:56:41] Speaker 1: Right, M so interesting, Lisa. I appreciate you coming on.
[1:56:48] Speaker 1: Did you have any you know, as we start to
[1:56:52] Speaker 1: wrap up our first time chatting together, did you have
[1:56:57] Speaker 1: any closing thoughts about the sass squatch as a you've
[1:57:02] Speaker 1: said that as a forest people as how you you've
[1:57:07] Speaker 1: mentioned them a few times.
[1:57:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's more than them out there, you know.
[1:57:16] Speaker 2: I hope, I I hope I never see a dog
[1:57:20] Speaker 2: man that you know, those those eyes that I'm looking
[1:57:24] Speaker 2: at right now on my page, it kind of looks
[1:57:30] Speaker 2: like at first I thought there was a bit of
[1:57:32] Speaker 2: a blaze of white blaze going up the forehead, but
[1:57:37] Speaker 2: that may not be. And and yeah, out I don't
[1:57:44] Speaker 2: know out in the sun, they can depending on their skin.
[1:57:49] Speaker 2: I've I've seen where there's one guy that I watch
[1:57:57] Speaker 2: his name is his name is Sunny Sunny Later Letter,
[1:58:08] Speaker 2: and he has he's got footage of the same big
[1:58:12] Speaker 2: hairy guy over years, and I can tell from he's
[1:58:16] Speaker 2: got a white beard. And with his first video that
[1:58:22] Speaker 2: was like, I don't know, seven or ten years ago.
[1:58:24] Speaker 2: His he looks like he has one big dread like
[1:58:30] Speaker 2: he's he's nappy. It's not long and flowing or anything.
[1:58:34] Speaker 2: And it just grew. It's like his hair got taller.
[1:58:38] Speaker 2: And when he's got one video where he's got a
[1:58:43] Speaker 2: there's a camera sitting up facing their tent or facing
[1:58:48] Speaker 2: the hill behind the tent, and here's this big figure
[1:58:52] Speaker 2: creeping in behind the bushes, and he looks really dark.
[1:58:56] Speaker 2: I heard somebody describe his the same skin color where
[1:59:00] Speaker 2: it was like kind of a h a gray, you know,
[1:59:07] Speaker 2: kind of Indian looking dark. You know, there's no there's
[1:59:13] Speaker 2: no brown in it. I mean, it's it's like a
[1:59:18] Speaker 2: smoky gray. But then when he starts creeping off stage
[1:59:23] Speaker 2: light the sun hits him through the shrubbery and his
[1:59:29] Speaker 2: skin turns white. His skin looks lighter, so you know,
[1:59:35] Speaker 2: these squinchy eyes. I look at it and really hope
[1:59:41] Speaker 2: that it's not it's not a dog man. But when
[1:59:47] Speaker 2: I looked, I mean that that bean is about eight
[1:59:51] Speaker 2: feet tall at least based on where it was standing
[1:59:57] Speaker 2: up the wall cap. Stuff.
[2:00:01] Speaker 1: Be interesting to see if there's other people that reach
[2:00:04] Speaker 1: out in the comments that I've had interactions in that
[2:00:07] Speaker 1: same Wildcat area. I've heard other I've feared heard a
[2:00:12] Speaker 1: little bit about it from other people, but I think
[2:00:15] Speaker 1: we might get some other things too. But Lisa, thank
[2:00:19] Speaker 1: you so much for chatting tonight. It has been a pleasure.
[2:00:23] Speaker 2: If there's anybody in the area, in my area that
[2:00:31] Speaker 2: doesn't have somebody to go with, I would love somebody to,
[2:00:38] Speaker 2: you know, go out there and you know, I I
[2:00:44] Speaker 2: don't feel real safe, you know, being out by myself.
[2:00:50] Speaker 1: Sure, I'll put your youtubee in the description and maybe
[2:00:57] Speaker 1: people can reach out to you in the comments of that,
[2:00:59] Speaker 1: or is there an other way that they should reach
[2:01:01] Speaker 1: out to you.
[2:01:05] Speaker 2: Well, they can, they can reach out to me in
[2:01:11] Speaker 2: the comments, or you know, maybe if you don't mind,
[2:01:16] Speaker 2: and they emailed you, so.
[2:01:20] Speaker 1: That that's I will say that I don't do that
[2:01:24] Speaker 1: anymore because there have been ones where I have had
[2:01:29] Speaker 1: to answer hundreds of emails and it takes up my
[2:01:31] Speaker 1: entire days. So I try to not do that game anymore.
[2:01:35] Speaker 1: I apologize. But the comments might be a good good deal. Yeah,
[2:01:40] Speaker 1: if you don't have a direct just keep an eye
[2:01:45] Speaker 1: on the comments. I suppose so, But thank you for
[2:01:50] Speaker 1: thank you for chatting tonight, Lisa, and I really recommend
[2:01:54] Speaker 1: people check out Lisa's channel. There's some really interesting thermal
[2:01:58] Speaker 1: footage shots on that channel, so definitely check that out.
[2:02:04] Speaker 1: But thank you, Lisa.
[2:02:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks Jeremoria.
[2:02:10] Speaker 1: Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity
[2:02:13] Speaker 1: around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: would love to get out in those woods and experience
[2:02:19] Speaker 1: it for myself. Well, guess what. This year you can
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[2:04:01] Speaker 1: thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that
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[2:04:16] Speaker 1: at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can talk
[2:04:19] Speaker 1: about your encounter. Was able to talk to so many
[2:04:22] Speaker 1: people last year and the year before. It is an
[2:04:26] Speaker 1: incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it,
[2:04:28] Speaker 1: and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode,
[2:04:33] Speaker 1: I want to say something directly to a very specific
[2:04:36] Speaker 1: group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch
[2:04:39] Speaker 1: or forces, and if you've seen something that no one
[2:04:42] Speaker 1: can explain, or if you're a National Park ranger or
[2:04:46] Speaker 1: forestryt worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if
[2:04:49] Speaker 1: you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,
[2:04:53] Speaker 1: or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or
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[2:05:02] Speaker 1: search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks
[2:05:06] Speaker 1: that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry
[2:05:10] Speaker 1: on a remote oil field or a trucker with government
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[2:05:20] Speaker 1: or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence
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[2:05:33] Speaker 1: shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen
[2:05:38] Speaker 1: what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you,
[2:05:43] Speaker 1: even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot
[2:05:48] Speaker 1: Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear
[2:05:51] Speaker 1: what you've been forced to carry alone, and you're not alone.
[2:05:56] Speaker 1: You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you
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