# Something Stayed Beside His Truck All Night on Oregon’s Bigfoot Highway!

An episode of [Bigfoot Society](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1453429066), 26 Aug 2026, 1 h 45 min.

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Sam Chandler’s journey with the Sasquatch phenomenon stretches from a remote 5,000-acre property in Ontario, Canada, to the forests of Georgia and deep into the mountains of Oregon. In this episode of Bigfoot Society, Sam shares decades of experiences that began when he was a child and continued into adulthood. He recalls unexplained footsteps around an isolated Canadian lake, violent impacts against a cabin, strange lights moving through the forest, unusual recordings captured at night, and a terrifying solo camping experience that changed his understanding of what might be happening around him. Years later in western Georgia, the encounters continued. Sam describes changing tree structures, unseen footsteps following his family, three separate sets of footsteps closing in around him, wood knocks, activity around his home, and interactions that became increasingly personal. After moving to Oregon, everything intensified. Sam takes us into remote camps near Bend, Camp Broken Arrow along the Bigfoot Highway, and the forests surrounding Oakridge. He shares experiences involving massive individuals moving through the darkness, mysterious whistles beside his tent, apparent communication, strange vibrations, rocks thrown into camp, something racing past his vehicle in the middle of the night, and an approximately 16-inch footprint discovered near a spring during Sasquatch Summer Fest 2026. Sam also shares some of his most extraordinary experiences involving what he calls the “Sasquatch people,” including encounters he believes involved direct communication and an Oregon experience in which three individuals—a male, female, and juvenile—were presented to him with remarkable clarity. This is a journey spanning more than 40 years, multiple states, and two countries. Listen through to the end. Sam’s experiences around Oakridge and Sasquatch Summerfest bring the story right into the present day. Resources: Sam’s Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@samchandler108 Sam Chandler on Flash of Beauty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTxZiaEuAo8 LOREGON Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/3800130430285018 Oregon Bigfoot Highway book: https://www.amazon.com/Oregon-Bigfoot-Highway-Joe-Beelart/dp/0692380817 📖 Follow Jeremiah's cancer health updates here: https://www.caringbridge.org/site/569ef3d3-68be-11f1-8790-97fdfd2bbc64 🗣️ Share Your Story Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience? Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show! 🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube 🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube 💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts! 📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed) 👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share 🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist 🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters 💥 Support the Show & Get Perks ✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member ✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here 📱 Let’s Connect • Instagram: @bigfootsociety • Twitter: @bigfoot_society • TikTok: @bigfoot.society 🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links) These help support the show at no extra cost to you: • Beam (Better Sleep): Try Beam • Wildgrain (Better Bread): Join Here • Seed (Probiotics): Get Seed • Medi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More • LMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNT • Organic and non-GMO groceries delivered for less http://thrv.me/uarEhS 🎙️ Podcasting Tools: • Repurpose.io: Try It • Descript: Sign Up • Streamyard: Start Recording • Riverside.fm: Try Riverside 🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon ☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here 🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy 📬 Mailing Address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: You're listening to Big the Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
[0:03] Speaker 1: In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
[0:05] Speaker 1: bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
[0:08] Speaker 1: seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
[0:12] Speaker 1: to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
[0:16] Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
[0:20] Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
[0:24] Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
[0:27] Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
[0:30] Speaker 1: So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers
[0:33] Speaker 1: as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates
[0:37] Speaker 1: about his medical journey, please go to the carring Bridge
[0:40] Speaker 1: link in the show notes. Thank you all right, Big
[0:44] Speaker 1: the Society. You get the privilege of talking to Sam
[0:46] Speaker 1: Chandler today from out there in Bend, Oregon. How are
[0:49] Speaker 1: you doing today, Sam, I'm good, I'm good, awesome, awesome.
[0:54] Speaker 1: Sam was just hanging out at the Squash Summerfest festival,
[1:01] Speaker 1: saw you hanging out and I was like, who's the
[1:04] Speaker 1: guy Who's I don't know this guy yet because I
[1:05] Speaker 1: know most of the players out there and I was like,
[1:08] Speaker 1: I gotta talk to this guy. So I talked to
[1:11] Speaker 1: Priscilla and Jeff and they're like, oh, yeah, you totally
[1:14] Speaker 1: should talk to Sam. He's good dude. So I'm glad
[1:17] Speaker 1: we were able to get that connected, and thank you
[1:19] Speaker 1: for coming on the show today. Sam. Of course, we
[1:22] Speaker 1: were talking about beforehand how you kind of present yourself,
[1:29] Speaker 1: and you were presenting yourself more as an experiencer of
[1:35] Speaker 1: what is going on with this phenomenon. So I think
[1:38] Speaker 1: we'll have a very interesting chat today. This will be
[1:41] Speaker 1: one of those interviews where we'll be chatting back and
[1:43] Speaker 1: forth potentially as we go along. Sam has experienced a
[1:48] Speaker 1: lot of interesting things and a lot of different areas.
[1:51] Speaker 1: And you may have already seen Sam on things such
[1:53] Speaker 1: as a Flash of Beauty channel, which is a great channel.
[1:56] Speaker 1: If you guys aren't subscribed yet, make sure you're subscribed.
[1:59] Speaker 1: But anything else that the listeners would want to know
[2:03] Speaker 1: about you, Sam, besides being out there in Bend organ.
[2:07] Speaker 2: Uh No, I mean I think you pretty much nailed it.
[2:10] Speaker 2: I I'm kind of behind more of a behind the
[2:13] Speaker 2: scenes person, like I don't really I'm not out in
[2:17] Speaker 2: the limelight, so to speak.
[2:18] Speaker 1: So awesome. I totally get that. That's yeah, I enjoy
[2:24] Speaker 1: that as well. But the podcast is kind of like
[2:28] Speaker 1: it's it's it kind of goes against what I would
[2:31] Speaker 1: more prefer to do, but yeah, it is what it is.
[2:34] Speaker 1: But so, Sam, what was your first bigfoot experience? How
[2:38] Speaker 1: far does this go back in your life?
[2:42] Speaker 2: Well, all right, so I go back to nineteen eighty
[2:47] Speaker 2: five was when this kind of started off for me.
[2:51] Speaker 2: We had moved into a new house and it was
[2:55] Speaker 2: in northern Virginia and our neighbors at the time they
[3:00] Speaker 2: had a cabin that the man of the house had
[3:06] Speaker 2: a cabin that had been in his family since the
[3:08] Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds in Canada. They had purchased it after
[3:12] Speaker 2: the land had been logged and so, you know, at
[3:15] Speaker 2: that time it really wasn't worth much. So somebody went
[3:18] Speaker 2: and a bunch of families went in and bought up
[3:21] Speaker 2: like five thousand acres of the land that had been logged,
[3:24] Speaker 2: and then over the years it had been sold down
[3:26] Speaker 2: to uh, I think two families at this point, and
[3:30] Speaker 2: all the trees and everything I'd grown back up, so
[3:32] Speaker 2: it was you know, back to back to its forced
[3:37] Speaker 2: its scale again. So they invited us back in nineteen
[3:41] Speaker 2: eighty five, and I was eight years old at the time,
[3:44] Speaker 2: and so the first year we went there, I don't
[3:48] Speaker 2: remember much happening when it comes to like weird activities
[3:52] Speaker 2: or forced people's stuff. Again, I was more focused on
[3:57] Speaker 2: fishing and everything like that. The thing that happened and
[4:00] Speaker 2: when I got back, and again my timelines, I don't
[4:03] Speaker 2: remember if this happened before I went or if it
[4:06] Speaker 2: was after I got back, and I tend to think
[4:09] Speaker 2: it was after I got back. But I was in
[4:12] Speaker 2: my bedroom one night, and I was in bed and
[4:18] Speaker 2: the sun was you know, it was in the summer,
[4:20] Speaker 2: August ish, so the sun was still going down late,
[4:25] Speaker 2: you know, probably nine or whatever that night, and there
[4:29] Speaker 2: was still plenty of light in the room for me
[4:31] Speaker 2: to see. And I was laying in bed and I
[4:35] Speaker 2: heard something or something got my attention, and when I
[4:37] Speaker 2: opened my eyes up and looked over where my dresser
[4:40] Speaker 2: was on the other side of my dresser looking over
[4:43] Speaker 2: top of it was like a young sasquatch person's head
[4:48] Speaker 2: kind of peeking over at me. And it scared me
[4:53] Speaker 2: to death, of course, you know, because that's like your
[4:54] Speaker 2: bedroom when you're a child is like your safe space, right,
[4:57] Speaker 2: So when that and so anyways, it didn't do anything.
[5:01] Speaker 2: It just looked at me and he made this gesture
[5:04] Speaker 2: like he was laughing or smiling, but like no noise
[5:08] Speaker 2: came out of his mouth. So he just did this
[5:09] Speaker 2: like kind of gesture, and it just it freaked me
[5:13] Speaker 2: out and I shut down, like everything that had to
[5:23] Speaker 2: do with paranormal stuff, because as a kid, I had
[5:26] Speaker 2: had some experiences with like you know, seeing ghosts and
[5:29] Speaker 2: things like that, and I had had an interest in,
[5:33] Speaker 2: say like Bigfoot and things like that. But that experience
[5:36] Speaker 2: kind of just like it like flipped a switch in
[5:38] Speaker 2: which I didn't want anything to do with that anymore. Right,
[5:41] Speaker 2: I was just like I don't want like, no, no
[5:44] Speaker 2: more of this, Like I'm done. And I think I
[5:48] Speaker 2: carried that with me for a long time, not really
[5:52] Speaker 2: not really knowing that I had done it. And but
[5:57] Speaker 2: over those years, we continued to go to the cabin
[6:01] Speaker 2: and I uh and and things would happen it just
[6:05] Speaker 2: like it's a one of those places where there's a
[6:08] Speaker 2: lot of high strangeness and a lot of weird things
[6:10] Speaker 2: would just happen in the cabin. Outside of the cabin,
[6:12] Speaker 2: like the cabin. I didn't know what was happening at
[6:17] Speaker 2: the time, but in the middle of the night, you know,
[6:19] Speaker 2: you used to be sleeping and like right in like
[6:21] Speaker 2: the corner of the room behind my head from outside,
[6:24] Speaker 2: you'd just hear this like loud like bang and I
[6:27] Speaker 2: didn't now I know what it was. It was like,
[6:29] Speaker 2: you know, them slapping the cabin and things like that.
[6:31] Speaker 2: But at the time, you know, you'd be like, wow
[6:33] Speaker 2: that it's just like a you' to chalk it up
[6:36] Speaker 2: as like the cabin was settling, you know in the
[6:39] Speaker 2: night when the air would get cold. But it was
[6:41] Speaker 2: just such a violent, you know sound. We're to hear
[6:46] Speaker 2: footsteps a lot.
[6:48] Speaker 1: Uh.
[6:48] Speaker 2: There was a lot of spirit activity in the cabin.
[6:53] Speaker 2: And I can't necessarily say it was like Sasquatch people,
[6:55] Speaker 2: but it was just one of those places that things happened,
[6:59] Speaker 2: you know. It was just like.
[7:02] Speaker 1: And this is this is somewhere in Canada you're saying, correct, Okay.
[7:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in Ontario, Canada, south of Algonquin Provincial Park.
[7:10] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was. I was. I was like, I
[7:13] Speaker 1: bet it's probably that area is I don't know what's
[7:17] Speaker 1: with that area, dude.
[7:18] Speaker 2: It's it is such an interesting area because so it's
[7:25] Speaker 2: five thousand acres of private land that surrounds this lake, right,
[7:28] Speaker 2: So we're the only people there, and all the land
[7:30] Speaker 2: around it is either privately owned or it's provincial land.
[7:33] Speaker 2: So I mean, like nobody lives there yet. Around there's
[7:36] Speaker 2: a couple scattered cottages and cabins here and there, but
[7:40] Speaker 2: I mean it's like thousands of acres of just the
[7:45] Speaker 2: open land, well not you know, forested land, and it
[7:49] Speaker 2: has like there's some spots in there, it just does
[7:53] Speaker 2: not it's spooky and and I don't get spooked very easily,
[7:57] Speaker 2: but there's just places like you'll walk into and I
[8:00] Speaker 2: have experienced in the experience this in the Appalachian Mountains
[8:03] Speaker 2: as well, like where you're just hiking, everything's fine, and
[8:06] Speaker 2: then you just like take one step and it's almost
[8:08] Speaker 2: like the energy in that area it just shifts to
[8:10] Speaker 2: like you you're not welcome here type energy. You know. Yep,
[8:16] Speaker 2: And there's lots of places like that. So Anyways, as
[8:20] Speaker 2: I was growing up, I started getting more and more curious.
[8:23] Speaker 2: It's like, what what is that? What is this? I
[8:25] Speaker 2: had one morning in particular that I remember one of
[8:29] Speaker 2: the guys that was with us. He was an older
[8:31] Speaker 2: retired military guy. He got up early, went up to
[8:34] Speaker 2: the cook house, started getting coffee going, and when everybody
[8:39] Speaker 2: else got up and went up there, he was like,
[8:41] Speaker 2: weird thing happened this morning. He was like, I walked
[8:44] Speaker 2: up to the cookhouse and I heard and he said
[8:46] Speaker 2: a man. He said, I heard a man turn around
[8:50] Speaker 2: and start to walk back into the forest. And then
[8:54] Speaker 2: he just was like, soon you're got anyways, what time
[8:56] Speaker 2: do you guys want to go out fishing? And I
[8:57] Speaker 2: was like, hold up, don't just change a sub like
[9:00] Speaker 2: let's work, you know what I mean, Like, what are
[9:01] Speaker 2: you talking about? So, you know, over the years, I
[9:07] Speaker 2: slowly started trying to put things together, and then around
[9:10] Speaker 2: twenty ten, I was down by the lake one night
[9:14] Speaker 2: and it was a full moon. All the other guys
[9:16] Speaker 2: were up at the cabin and they were just you know,
[9:18] Speaker 2: drinking and having a good time. And I was down
[9:21] Speaker 2: there on the lake fishing and I heard footsteps, like
[9:27] Speaker 2: deliberate footsteps crunching through the leaves on the ridge to
[9:31] Speaker 2: the north, and I mean it was just like crunch, crunch, crunch,
[9:36] Speaker 2: like very deliberate, and it felt like they wanted me
[9:39] Speaker 2: to hear them. That's just how I perceived it at
[9:41] Speaker 2: the time, and that was like my my trigger to like, okay,
[9:46] Speaker 2: something's going on here, Like there's.
[9:49] Speaker 1: How could you tell you mentioned that there was a
[9:54] Speaker 1: certain certain times in that cabin where you could tell
[9:56] Speaker 1: it was more spirit activity rather than sasquatch related activity.
[10:00] Speaker 1: I'm curious how you knew the difference there.
[10:04] Speaker 2: Well. So at the time, I this is just for
[10:07] Speaker 2: me looking back on it, it's just it didn't align
[10:09] Speaker 2: with things that I've had happened since. So I kind
[10:12] Speaker 2: of okay. But my dad, my dad's we TI marine,
[10:16] Speaker 2: you know, he's you know, like a tough dude, and
[10:21] Speaker 2: he now that he's retired and everything, we've discussed the things.
[10:24] Speaker 2: He's had this ability to see spirits whole life and
[10:27] Speaker 2: he never really told me about it until my older
[10:30] Speaker 2: So while we would stay in the cabin, he would
[10:32] Speaker 2: get visited by spirits at night, Like we would be
[10:34] Speaker 2: sleeping in the same room in the cabin and he
[10:35] Speaker 2: would get visited. So he's been visited by actual spirits.
[10:39] Speaker 2: So that's kind of why I say that the activity
[10:42] Speaker 2: that would happen in the cabin seem to be a
[10:44] Speaker 2: little bit different than Outsider.
[10:49] Speaker 1: Man. That is one wild area and it sounds like
[10:54] Speaker 1: you have what ten plus years of activity at that
[11:00] Speaker 1: one cabin location.
[11:02] Speaker 2: Well before I started like acknowledging it. You know, it
[11:06] Speaker 2: happened all through eighties and the nineties. I didn't really
[11:08] Speaker 2: start acknowledging it until like two thousand and early two thousands,
[11:11] Speaker 2: mid two thousands. So there's just a lot of like
[11:16] Speaker 2: there's this one area up there that has this machinery
[11:19] Speaker 2: sound that comes from it, and it's like at least
[11:23] Speaker 2: once a day you'll hear it. It's in the northwest
[11:25] Speaker 2: corner of the property. You'll hear this like what sounds
[11:27] Speaker 2: like a tank tracks or like like bulldozer tracks, like
[11:34] Speaker 2: like clin clink clink, clin clin clin clin kick cling noise,
[11:36] Speaker 2: And it comes from this area. And I've heard it
[11:40] Speaker 2: so many times over the years, and I will just
[11:42] Speaker 2: like get up or I'll hear it. And there's a
[11:45] Speaker 2: couple of times when I started really getting a little
[11:47] Speaker 2: more brave, I just walked towards it and I was
[11:49] Speaker 2: trying to figure out what it was, where it was
[11:51] Speaker 2: coming from. And it was like either as soon as
[11:53] Speaker 2: I started walking or I would get a little closer
[11:55] Speaker 2: to where it's coming from, it would stop every time,
[11:58] Speaker 2: and I never figured out what it was. After I
[12:01] Speaker 2: heard the footsteps and started opening up to it more,
[12:04] Speaker 2: I started doing more research and trying to figure out
[12:07] Speaker 2: what was going on. And this was back you know,
[12:09] Speaker 2: twenty and ten, eleven and twelve, Like the internet really
[12:12] Speaker 2: wasn't that great. I mean, much better than it was
[12:16] Speaker 2: in like the nineties, but you know, like back then,
[12:19] Speaker 2: trying to find information on sasquatch and things like that
[12:23] Speaker 2: was there was a couple forums, you know, and you
[12:26] Speaker 2: really had to search. So I made it like a
[12:30] Speaker 2: thing where I bought like an audio recorder and then
[12:32] Speaker 2: I would just walk around the lake and try and
[12:35] Speaker 2: explore the land a little more. And so what started
[12:38] Speaker 2: happening when I was exploring more was I was coming
[12:40] Speaker 2: across more areas that were just very unwelcoming. Well, yeah,
[12:45] Speaker 2: so it sounded weird when I said that, And so
[12:49] Speaker 2: like I would walk into an area and I would
[12:51] Speaker 2: get and this is when I this is when I
[12:53] Speaker 2: first remember ever getting like a telepathic or a mind
[12:56] Speaker 2: speed message and I and I would get mesage that
[13:00] Speaker 2: would say don't go in there or you know, like
[13:04] Speaker 2: and a lot of these times they would they would
[13:06] Speaker 2: happen when I would get close to like a thicket
[13:08] Speaker 2: or like a clump or cluster of trees that were
[13:12] Speaker 2: really thick and dance and dark and like you couldn't
[13:14] Speaker 2: really see in there, and so as I would approach those,
[13:17] Speaker 2: that's when I would hear stuff like that, or I
[13:19] Speaker 2: would just be stopped where like I couldn't walk into it.
[13:23] Speaker 1: And so sorry, something that remind me of something Henry
[13:27] Speaker 1: Franzoni used to say. Are you saying then you would
[13:29] Speaker 1: you would be physically stopped by something and you physically
[13:32] Speaker 1: could not move your own legs any further.
[13:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, that happened once, okay, but most of the time
[13:38] Speaker 2: I would just heed the actual like don't go in
[13:40] Speaker 2: there warning. Wow. So and actually that time I didn't
[13:48] Speaker 2: go into it. I walked around it, and I ended
[13:50] Speaker 2: up in like a totally different are. Okay, it's it's
[13:52] Speaker 2: like a long story, but I was walking to this
[13:56] Speaker 2: remote lake that was like over a ridge back where
[13:58] Speaker 2: the beavers had MMed up this creek and made this
[14:01] Speaker 2: lake back there. I always had cool animal sightings back there.
[14:05] Speaker 2: So I was walking back there one day and I
[14:08] Speaker 2: used to walk through this cluster of cedars, and that's
[14:11] Speaker 2: when I got like that don't go in there message,
[14:14] Speaker 2: and so I walked around it, but I walked southwest
[14:18] Speaker 2: and I ended up on the northeast side of the
[14:20] Speaker 2: lake somehow. I don't know how that happened, and I
[14:24] Speaker 2: don't remember like having necessarily a loss of time. But
[14:29] Speaker 2: when I got back to the boat and went back
[14:33] Speaker 2: to the cab and my dad, I remember my dad
[14:35] Speaker 2: asking like, where have you been, you know, and I
[14:38] Speaker 2: was like, I just went for a walk. And I
[14:40] Speaker 2: don't use like a watch or a clock or anything
[14:43] Speaker 2: while I'm there because when we're there, we're just kind
[14:45] Speaker 2: of like cut off from the rest of the world,
[14:47] Speaker 2: so we don't really worry about, right, you know, what
[14:49] Speaker 2: time it is and stuff like that.
[14:50] Speaker 1: You know. I'm curious what your reaction was to first
[14:57] Speaker 1: experiencing telepathy or mind speak based on when you had
[15:01] Speaker 1: that visual as a child that really affected you. What
[15:05] Speaker 1: was it like when you first started first started hearing
[15:11] Speaker 1: the TILEPTI your mind speak.
[15:13] Speaker 2: Honestly, it didn't it didn't strike me as weird and
[15:16] Speaker 2: looking back on it, so I don't know, I don't
[15:19] Speaker 2: really know, like it. It didn't. I don't remember ever
[15:23] Speaker 2: being like where that voice come from or anything like that,
[15:25] Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It just kind of felt
[15:28] Speaker 2: and I've had it many times since then, so I
[15:30] Speaker 2: don't know if it's just something that I've always felt
[15:34] Speaker 2: natural with it, if that makes any sense. It just didn't.
[15:37] Speaker 2: It didn't strike me as like, ah. I think I
[15:40] Speaker 2: was more shocked by the idea that I shouldn't go
[15:44] Speaker 2: into a place that I had been into a few
[15:46] Speaker 2: times before.
[15:47] Speaker 1: Interesting, okay, yeah, and so.
[15:53] Speaker 2: Uh yeah. So anyways, over the years, you know, I
[15:56] Speaker 2: explored that area, I got to know that land really well,
[15:58] Speaker 2: and we would have weird things happen, and periodically. Those
[16:02] Speaker 2: guys are very tight lip because they're all old retired
[16:05] Speaker 2: military men, so they don't really discuss things, you know,
[16:08] Speaker 2: and they're very reserved with what they talk about. But
[16:13] Speaker 2: going out in the boat with them fishing and by themselves,
[16:16] Speaker 2: I've gotten each of them to admit, you know, like,
[16:19] Speaker 2: did you guys see those lights in the sky? Do
[16:21] Speaker 2: you see those when you're here by yourselves? You know?
[16:23] Speaker 2: And they'd be like yeah, because we would see like
[16:25] Speaker 2: orbs and at the time we didn't know there were orbs,
[16:28] Speaker 2: but there were like these bright white ball lights that
[16:30] Speaker 2: would go through the woods. And this was you know,
[16:32] Speaker 2: back in like the nineties and the eighties, flashlights were
[16:35] Speaker 2: like more of like a yellowish, like a very dim
[16:37] Speaker 2: kind of yellow. These were like a bright white light,
[16:40] Speaker 2: and we didn't know what they were. But I would
[16:43] Speaker 2: ask the guys about that, and they would say, like
[16:46] Speaker 2: I've seen them, you know, And I'd be like, what
[16:47] Speaker 2: are your thoughts, Like what do you think they are?
[16:48] Speaker 2: And they'd be like, I don't know. And now that's
[16:50] Speaker 2: pretty much like what you would get. So moving forward
[16:56] Speaker 2: a few years, I set up my auto recorder out
[17:00] Speaker 2: in front of the cabin, and I would get these
[17:02] Speaker 2: recordings at night, like rhythmic tapping on the burn barrel
[17:05] Speaker 2: which was a fifty gallon drum, whispering, shifting, lots of sticks,
[17:11] Speaker 2: breaking alcohol like not normal alcohols, got a couple of
[17:17] Speaker 2: whoops and things like that. That led me to believe
[17:20] Speaker 2: that something was going on around the cabin all the
[17:22] Speaker 2: time at night. So sometime around in twenty twelve October
[17:29] Speaker 2: twenty twelve, I I was like I had it in
[17:32] Speaker 2: my mind that I was like determined to go camp
[17:34] Speaker 2: by myself, and go out there and figure out what's
[17:37] Speaker 2: going on. So I brought out my camping gear. I
[17:40] Speaker 2: went out to the back of the lake in this
[17:42] Speaker 2: area that we had heard weird noises while we were fishing,
[17:45] Speaker 2: and so I sat up my camp. I had a
[17:47] Speaker 2: hammock that night, strung it out and I was out there,
[17:53] Speaker 2: got settled in. I was listening to the wolves howl,
[17:56] Speaker 2: and I was just like totally in the zone. I
[17:58] Speaker 2: was loving it. It was just like a right great experience.
[18:02] Speaker 2: And then I think I had dozed off. At one
[18:04] Speaker 2: point I woke up to a tree falling behind my head.
[18:09] Speaker 2: I mean not not like right behind my head, but
[18:12] Speaker 2: within you know, I'd say like fifty feet or so
[18:15] Speaker 2: behind my head, like enough to get my attention. And
[18:19] Speaker 2: I woke up, and you know, my heart was like boom,
[18:22] Speaker 2: boom boom, and I was like, ah, but I just
[18:24] Speaker 2: had this feeling somebody was there, Like it wasn't like
[18:26] Speaker 2: a because there wasn't really like a strong wind or
[18:29] Speaker 2: anything that would have blown a tree over. And so
[18:33] Speaker 2: I laid there trying to you know, I was going
[18:35] Speaker 2: to see what was going on happen next, and I
[18:36] Speaker 2: felt so I'm in a hammock and I'm facing like
[18:40] Speaker 2: my heads facing the north, my feet are facing south,
[18:42] Speaker 2: and on the top of my head like where my
[18:45] Speaker 2: crown shrucker is, like right here on the top, I
[18:47] Speaker 2: felt what felt like a finger pushing on the top
[18:50] Speaker 2: of my head and uh, and I, you know, just frozen.
[18:55] Speaker 2: I remember being like okay. And right after that happened,
[19:01] Speaker 2: I got this like energy rushed through my body and
[19:03] Speaker 2: it was like this wave of heat and cold and
[19:06] Speaker 2: everything just came through my body down to my feet
[19:08] Speaker 2: and then it came back out through my head. And
[19:11] Speaker 2: when that happened, there was a message that said and
[19:14] Speaker 2: it was like, you know, a mind speed message. It
[19:16] Speaker 2: said get out of here. And I was determined to
[19:20] Speaker 2: work through my fear, because I that was my main
[19:23] Speaker 2: goal of going out there, was to just make, you know,
[19:25] Speaker 2: work through whatever fear I had about being out in
[19:27] Speaker 2: the woods by myself. And so I was like, nah, man,
[19:31] Speaker 2: you're just freaking yourself out, and so I like, just
[19:35] Speaker 2: stay put. So I stayed stayed there, and then happened again.
[19:38] Speaker 2: Felt the pressure and then energy within my body a
[19:41] Speaker 2: little bit stronger at that time, and then it came.
[19:43] Speaker 2: Another message came and it said get out of here now.
[19:48] Speaker 2: And I was like, no, man, you're just freaking yourself out.
[19:50] Speaker 2: You're just you're going to get through this, you know.
[19:53] Speaker 2: And so I laid there a little longer, and then
[19:57] Speaker 2: I felt it again the third time, and this time
[19:58] Speaker 2: when the energy came through, it came through it's really hard,
[20:01] Speaker 2: like like you could feel like every molecule DNA level
[20:07] Speaker 2: type thing in my body was just like rattled, like
[20:10] Speaker 2: heat like hot, cold, electrical sensations like everything just like
[20:16] Speaker 2: and it came through. And then the message this time
[20:19] Speaker 2: said get out of here now or you're going to die.
[20:22] Speaker 1: Wow.
[20:23] Speaker 2: And and I was like that's when I was like, Okay,
[20:27] Speaker 2: maybe I should take this a little more serious. But
[20:29] Speaker 2: as I was thinking that, in the pouch of my hammock,
[20:32] Speaker 2: I had this little two way radio and the other
[20:34] Speaker 2: my dad had the other one in the cabin just
[20:36] Speaker 2: in case there was an emergency, and that two way
[20:39] Speaker 2: radio started going making all this crazy static noise. And
[20:46] Speaker 2: that's what really freaked me out, because that's when it
[20:49] Speaker 2: stopped being my imagination it's you know, or possibly my imaginations,
[20:53] Speaker 2: and got real, you know. And so I was like, Okay,
[20:57] Speaker 2: screw this, I'm out and so I got up, I
[21:00] Speaker 2: grabbed the radio. I think I grabbed my bag, but
[21:02] Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly, but I left the hammock there,
[21:05] Speaker 2: I went to the boat, started the boat luckily it started,
[21:09] Speaker 2: you know, and so got off shore and went down
[21:13] Speaker 2: to started going back to the cabin. On the way
[21:16] Speaker 2: back to the cabin, I remember sitting in the boat
[21:19] Speaker 2: and it was an outboard motor and I was not
[21:20] Speaker 2: like a John boat, and I was on the outboard
[21:22] Speaker 2: motor and I was looking up because it was a
[21:24] Speaker 2: nine to nine horsepower, so I had to go about
[21:26] Speaker 2: a mile and a half. It took, you know, ten
[21:28] Speaker 2: fifteen twenty minutes, however long it took. And I remember
[21:31] Speaker 2: looking up at the sky and just seeing like the
[21:36] Speaker 2: color of the sky was like this greenish color. And
[21:37] Speaker 2: I think I had to do with the way the
[21:39] Speaker 2: moon was reflecting off the water and kind of making
[21:42] Speaker 2: it that color. But I knew that something was gonna
[21:48] Speaker 2: come grab me out of the boat. I don't really
[21:50] Speaker 2: know how to explain that, but that was the feeling
[21:52] Speaker 2: I had the whole way there. And it was like
[21:53] Speaker 2: the most vulnerable it ever felt, right, like it's nothing
[21:56] Speaker 2: I can do. I have like this fifteen minute boat
[21:58] Speaker 2: ride of just being out in the open in the
[21:59] Speaker 2: middle of a lake. But I got back to the cabin,
[22:04] Speaker 2: went up, got in my cot in my sleeping bag,
[22:06] Speaker 2: and was just like I just passed out, you know.
[22:11] Speaker 2: I think it was just the adrenaline and everything just
[22:13] Speaker 2: like crashed. And so anyways, that's when I knew. That's
[22:18] Speaker 2: when I knew for sure that there was just a
[22:20] Speaker 2: lot more going on than I thought. And so things
[22:24] Speaker 2: continue to happen. I went back to I was living
[22:27] Speaker 2: in Georgia at this time, like just outside of Atlanta
[22:29] Speaker 2: when that happened. So I went back to Georgia and
[22:34] Speaker 2: started looking for places around there because I had heard
[22:37] Speaker 2: that there had been stuff going on in Georgia, and
[22:41] Speaker 2: so I started going out and I found a place
[22:44] Speaker 2: man like, and I know, all this sounds weird and
[22:49] Speaker 2: like it just it just seems like synchronistically things lined
[22:54] Speaker 2: up in this way. I went to this place and
[22:58] Speaker 2: found signs of them. I remember the first my wife
[23:00] Speaker 2: and I went there. We walked, it was it was
[23:03] Speaker 2: getting close to dusk, and we started walking to where
[23:06] Speaker 2: the trail got dark, and uh, and my wife and
[23:10] Speaker 2: I remember that I will always remember this. We stopped
[23:12] Speaker 2: and we both looked at each other because it had
[23:14] Speaker 2: like a feeling, you know, like it was like a
[23:16] Speaker 2: breeze coming from it, but that breeze was like spooky.
[23:20] Speaker 2: And uh, I remember looking at my wife and we
[23:22] Speaker 2: looked each other and we were like, do you want
[23:24] Speaker 2: to do this right now? And we were both like no,
[23:26] Speaker 2: like because we knew we were going to be back
[23:28] Speaker 2: there in the dark at some point, and it was
[23:30] Speaker 2: a new area, you know what I mean. So I
[23:33] Speaker 2: started going back there a lot during the daytime and
[23:35] Speaker 2: I ride my mountain bike around and uh, I came
[23:40] Speaker 2: across this one area. It was a few miles back.
[23:42] Speaker 2: He crossed over some power lines and as soon as
[23:45] Speaker 2: you were cross over the power lines and get back
[23:47] Speaker 2: into this one area, it just like the energy just
[23:49] Speaker 2: was completely different, like I've mentioned before, and it felt
[23:53] Speaker 2: like almost thick and humid, but it was just like
[24:00] Speaker 2: it didn't feel spooky to me. It just felt intense,
[24:04] Speaker 2: like not a peaceful place. I mean, I don't mean
[24:07] Speaker 2: that as like dangerous, but just like it's intense, you
[24:11] Speaker 2: know what I mean. And so I put my I
[24:16] Speaker 2: remember putting my bike like laying it down, and I
[24:19] Speaker 2: walked around a little bit, got a feel for the area.
[24:22] Speaker 2: The trail there goes around and then it comes back
[24:25] Speaker 2: up a little bit, goes through some like big rock formations,
[24:28] Speaker 2: and then you come across the power lines again a
[24:31] Speaker 2: little bit further up. And when I crossed back over
[24:33] Speaker 2: this powerline, energy changed again back to normal. And so
[24:37] Speaker 2: I knew that area was like a spot I was
[24:39] Speaker 2: gonna come visit. And so I would go back to
[24:42] Speaker 2: that spot over and over and over again. And then
[24:44] Speaker 2: I started noticing the tree structures in that area, and
[24:51] Speaker 2: when I would go back, they would change, they would
[24:52] Speaker 2: add to them, there would be new ones, and it
[24:54] Speaker 2: would kind of change. And so I just had this feeling. Oh,
[24:57] Speaker 2: and I would hear occasional footsteps back there, but I
[24:59] Speaker 2: could never see you went back there. And so I
[25:03] Speaker 2: just started talking out loud because I just had this
[25:06] Speaker 2: feeling that somebody was whoever was doing the tree structures,
[25:09] Speaker 2: was watching me, and so I would start talking to them.
[25:14] Speaker 2: And I was really enthusiastic about the tree structures because honestly,
[25:17] Speaker 2: they were really cool. Like the way that they would
[25:19] Speaker 2: do things to me, I was like, humans can't do this.
[25:22] Speaker 2: They would like somehow move trees through other trees. I
[25:28] Speaker 2: don't really know how to explain it. I wish I
[25:29] Speaker 2: had taken more pictures and videos back then, but I
[25:31] Speaker 2: just didn't. And so I would just ask them like
[25:36] Speaker 2: that's how I talk to them, to be like, how
[25:37] Speaker 2: did you do this? This is amazing, this is crazy.
[25:41] Speaker 2: How you could bend this tree in this way, you know,
[25:44] Speaker 2: and make it, and so like I was just general,
[25:45] Speaker 2: really enthusiastic, and I think that they liked that, and
[25:49] Speaker 2: so they would just continue to do it. And so
[25:52] Speaker 2: I brought my wife and my kids back there one
[25:54] Speaker 2: day on a hike. And my boys were real little then,
[25:57] Speaker 2: like I think my youngest son was like two and
[26:00] Speaker 2: I was like five. But so we walked back there.
[26:05] Speaker 2: We get to that area as soon as we cross
[26:08] Speaker 2: those power lines back in that area, and my wife
[26:10] Speaker 2: was like, she was like, I don't like this place.
[26:13] Speaker 2: This place feels spooky. And I was like, okay, it's
[26:16] Speaker 2: not just me, you know, I'm not just imagining this.
[26:19] Speaker 2: This is this is real. And so I was like,
[26:21] Speaker 2: it's fine, I've been back here a bunch. Just walk
[26:23] Speaker 2: with me and we'll be okay. So as we're walking,
[26:26] Speaker 2: I was with one of my sons. My wife was
[26:28] Speaker 2: my other son, and she was a little bit behind
[26:29] Speaker 2: me and we started hearing footsteps behind us again, and
[26:33] Speaker 2: so she was like, babe, stop for seconds.
[26:35] Speaker 1: I was like okay.
[26:36] Speaker 2: So she walked up and she was like, do you
[26:38] Speaker 2: hear those footsteps And I was like yeah, and she
[26:40] Speaker 2: was like, I can't see anybody. And I was like,
[26:42] Speaker 2: I don't see him either. I've heard him before. I
[26:45] Speaker 2: was like, let's just walk, it's not a big deal.
[26:48] Speaker 2: So anyways, we walked around around the loop that I
[26:52] Speaker 2: was talking about. We came to the other side of
[26:53] Speaker 2: the power lines, crossed over that energy went away. Everything
[26:56] Speaker 2: felt normal again. And she said, I don't like that place.
[26:58] Speaker 2: I don't want to go back there ever again. And
[27:00] Speaker 2: I was like, I totally get it. That's fine, and
[27:04] Speaker 2: so I kept going back there. And so one day
[27:08] Speaker 2: I went back there and I was in the middle
[27:11] Speaker 2: of the loop and I was talking to them about
[27:14] Speaker 2: the tree structures and everything. And so in the middle
[27:19] Speaker 2: of me talking to them asking them a question, I
[27:21] Speaker 2: heard footsteps coming like crunch, crunch, crunch in the leaves,
[27:24] Speaker 2: and so I look over and I was like looking
[27:27] Speaker 2: to see if I could see anybody but I couldn't
[27:28] Speaker 2: see anyone walking, and so as I'm looking this way,
[27:31] Speaker 2: this one, like another set behind me starts coming closer.
[27:35] Speaker 2: And I turned around to look at that one, and
[27:36] Speaker 2: as that one another like a third step footsteps starts
[27:41] Speaker 2: coming up. And so there was like three sets of
[27:43] Speaker 2: footsteps like triangulating around me, like a flanking formation, And
[27:49] Speaker 2: so I just stood there and like I was looking,
[27:51] Speaker 2: I didn't feel I don't remember feeling fearful. I just
[27:53] Speaker 2: remember feeling like curious, like what is going on? And
[27:56] Speaker 2: so they came close. I mean, like this is the
[27:59] Speaker 2: thing that I I I don't remember if I imagine
[28:03] Speaker 2: seeing the leaves being depressed as they stepped in or
[28:05] Speaker 2: if that really happened, because I was just so like
[28:09] Speaker 2: like what is going on? You know? And so they
[28:12] Speaker 2: got probably within ten feet of me, and uh, and
[28:16] Speaker 2: I just remember saying like hi or hello, because I
[28:18] Speaker 2: was nervous at that point, and I just said like hello,
[28:22] Speaker 2: And as soon as I said that, I just got
[28:24] Speaker 2: like enveloped. It was like the whole area or like
[28:28] Speaker 2: this giant bubble of love came over me and it
[28:33] Speaker 2: was so life changing and palpable, and it was just
[28:38] Speaker 2: like someone had put me in those like hamster wheels
[28:41] Speaker 2: from back in the day when hamster it was like that.
[28:43] Speaker 2: It was like someone put me in one of those.
[28:45] Speaker 2: But it was just love and and I remember specifically smiling.
[28:52] Speaker 2: It was like my body's reaction to it. I smiled
[28:55] Speaker 2: and cried at the same time, and it was just
[28:57] Speaker 2: like so blissful and you fork and I'm guessing it
[29:03] Speaker 2: happened for maybe thirty seconds or a minute, and as
[29:06] Speaker 2: quickly as it happened, it just stopped. And there was
[29:09] Speaker 2: another message that said you can go now, and I
[29:14] Speaker 2: was like, thank you, okay, And I never heard them
[29:18] Speaker 2: walk away. I just walked out to the trail and
[29:21] Speaker 2: I called my wife. And the first thing I did,
[29:24] Speaker 2: I called my wife and I was just like, you're
[29:26] Speaker 2: never gonna believe what just happened in that place. You
[29:28] Speaker 2: don't like, you know, And she was like, that's amazing.
[29:30] Speaker 2: She's very supportive of this, you know, she doesn't really
[29:34] Speaker 2: like to partake in some of it because she's had
[29:35] Speaker 2: some scary experiences herself, right, but she's very supportive. And
[29:40] Speaker 2: she was like, that's awesome, but I'm not I'm still
[29:42] Speaker 2: not going back to that place. And I was like
[29:43] Speaker 2: I get it, but yeah, that was that was the
[29:49] Speaker 2: year after my experience in Canada, and so it was
[29:54] Speaker 2: it was like two ends of the spectrum, right, It
[29:56] Speaker 2: was like extreme fear extreme love, right, So, and those
[30:00] Speaker 2: are the two spectrums of life in general. Right, you
[30:03] Speaker 2: get so, but.
[30:07] Speaker 1: If I can, if I can, I'm noticing something that
[30:11] Speaker 1: what you're sharing at the cabin in Canada. Beforehand, you
[30:16] Speaker 1: were actively trying to get over your fear, and it
[30:19] Speaker 1: sounds like you got over that. And then when you're
[30:21] Speaker 1: in outside of Atlanta somewhere because you had gone, because
[30:26] Speaker 1: you had gotten over that fear, then you're able to
[30:29] Speaker 1: start to have these experiences. So your your outlook is
[30:33] Speaker 1: or maybe your intention and your frequency is completely different.
[30:38] Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any thoughts about that.
[30:40] Speaker 2: No, I totally agree. So my experience in Canada to
[30:44] Speaker 2: me was probably like the most scared I've ever been, Right,
[30:48] Speaker 2: that's like the most scared I could be. So I
[30:50] Speaker 2: learned my limit of where my fear is, and so
[30:55] Speaker 2: my experience has since then. I've had experiences that I
[30:58] Speaker 2: would say probably equally as fright, but I don't get
[31:03] Speaker 2: that sense of fear to where I can't function, you
[31:07] Speaker 2: know what I mean, So like I'm able to kind
[31:08] Speaker 2: of like keep my wit and sometimes there's things that
[31:12] Speaker 2: have happened when we're in our groups that I just
[31:15] Speaker 2: don't get scared at all anymore. It's just more of like,
[31:18] Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that to try and come across
[31:20] Speaker 2: like a tough guy or anything like that. It's just
[31:23] Speaker 2: I just feel really comfortable in some of these situations now.
[31:25] Speaker 2: And I and I going back to what you said,
[31:29] Speaker 2: I believe a lot of it has to do with
[31:30] Speaker 2: I know where my fear limit is, and I know
[31:33] Speaker 2: now like intuitively, when I get a message or get
[31:36] Speaker 2: a feeling of like we need to get out of here,
[31:39] Speaker 2: and it's it's more of like a respect thing, right,
[31:43] Speaker 2: So like if I'm in an area and I get
[31:44] Speaker 2: that feeling, it's mostly because say there's a little one
[31:48] Speaker 2: around or something, and they're just like, hey, with all
[31:52] Speaker 2: due respect, you guys shouldn't be here right now because
[31:53] Speaker 2: we do have little ones around, And I'm like, and
[31:55] Speaker 2: that will come across as that feeling of like I
[31:58] Speaker 2: don't really know if it's necessarly dread, but it's just
[32:01] Speaker 2: like that, Okay, we should let's just get out of
[32:03] Speaker 2: here type feelings.
[32:04] Speaker 1: That's interesting. Do you feel that the same. Do you
[32:10] Speaker 1: refer to them as as bigfoot or force people. I
[32:12] Speaker 1: want to make sure I'm referring to them the right way.
[32:15] Speaker 2: I refer to them specifically as Sasquatch people, and then
[32:18] Speaker 2: force people are different to me because there's a lot
[32:21] Speaker 2: more in the force than just Sasquatch people.
[32:23] Speaker 1: That's very interesting. I guess that that is another question. Then,
[32:28] Speaker 1: so do you feel that these messages you've been getting
[32:32] Speaker 1: are are from the Sasquatch people then or from the
[32:37] Speaker 1: forest people.
[32:38] Speaker 2: I think there's been over the years re examining it all.
[32:41] Speaker 2: I think there's been a combination of both.
[32:43] Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, and I know some people have experienced where
[32:49] Speaker 1: over the years when they get messages it'll be from
[32:51] Speaker 1: the same individual and they start to have some sort
[32:54] Speaker 1: of connection and there's even a you know, what is
[32:59] Speaker 1: your name? My name?
[33:00] Speaker 2: Is this?
[33:01] Speaker 1: Is that something that is also happening or is it
[33:03] Speaker 1: a little different than that?
[33:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, that happened in twenty nineteen, Okay, and that was here,
[33:09] Speaker 2: that was here in Oregon.
[33:11] Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll get there, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[33:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, But going back to that place outside of Atlanta
[33:18] Speaker 2: that I was going to. It was it's as as
[33:21] Speaker 2: the driving out of Atlanta was about thirty minutes west
[33:24] Speaker 2: of Atlanta. So I will say this Western Georgia, eastern
[33:28] Speaker 2: Atlanta or Alabama just pretty much that whole area. I'll
[33:31] Speaker 2: just say this Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, like that whole region
[33:37] Speaker 2: extremely active and Western Georgia in particular, just from my
[33:41] Speaker 2: experiences and the people that I met in that area,
[33:44] Speaker 2: that whole area is just super active. And I mean like,
[33:51] Speaker 2: so I would continue to go back to that area
[33:57] Speaker 2: that I had that experience in and one day and
[34:00] Speaker 2: so I wish that I could bring people to this spot.
[34:05] Speaker 2: I did bring people back there once during a conference
[34:08] Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, and we did like a little night hike,
[34:11] Speaker 2: but there was a storm coming and so we had
[34:13] Speaker 2: to kind of cut it short. But where we ended
[34:16] Speaker 2: our little night trek back into this area is where
[34:19] Speaker 2: I would go back into the further force, like where
[34:22] Speaker 2: the park technically ended, and it was unofficial trail systems
[34:28] Speaker 2: that the bikers used like cyclists and everything had made
[34:31] Speaker 2: and that's how you would get back to that area
[34:32] Speaker 2: that I was talking about. So those areas that I
[34:35] Speaker 2: was going to weren't really accessed by the public a lot,
[34:39] Speaker 2: and it was surrounded by a bunch of farmland to
[34:41] Speaker 2: like privately owned farmland. And so when you would go
[34:46] Speaker 2: back to there, there was one place in the trail
[34:49] Speaker 2: that would turn pretty sharp, like a ninety degree turn,
[34:52] Speaker 2: and right there at that corner there was a big
[34:55] Speaker 2: cluster of like a brier patch or just like this
[34:58] Speaker 2: big thorny, I mean like a huge bush, like a
[35:04] Speaker 2: big truck sized but like thing of briars, and it
[35:07] Speaker 2: went back really far, like you couldn't see back in
[35:09] Speaker 2: there because it would get really dark. And every time
[35:12] Speaker 2: I would come to that corner, there was somebody there
[35:14] Speaker 2: behind those briars, like on the other side, back behind it,
[35:17] Speaker 2: and they would let me know they were there when
[35:19] Speaker 2: I would walk back, because they would like shuffle their
[35:21] Speaker 2: feet or something, and you would hear the dirt in
[35:23] Speaker 2: the gravel be like like move, and and I would
[35:27] Speaker 2: usually that would was where I would start my talking.
[35:30] Speaker 2: Was there, and I would talk to them, and and
[35:36] Speaker 2: I've always wondered who was back there. They would never
[35:38] Speaker 2: let me see them, never, But one day I walked
[35:43] Speaker 2: back there, and this was after that experience, I you know,
[35:47] Speaker 2: talk to them for a while. I walked back and
[35:50] Speaker 2: there there's so many, so many weird things would happen
[35:54] Speaker 2: when I would be back there. One and so I
[35:55] Speaker 2: walked down the trail and you would come past this
[35:58] Speaker 2: little creek before you would get to the power lines.
[36:01] Speaker 2: And one time I was walking back there, I walked
[36:03] Speaker 2: by the briar patch. I walk to the creek right
[36:05] Speaker 2: before you get to the power lines, and I heard
[36:08] Speaker 2: something and at the same time I heard sounded like
[36:10] Speaker 2: a teenager or something like a kid say like like
[36:14] Speaker 2: make some noise. This one of the trees over there
[36:17] Speaker 2: by the creek was like boom and started doing like this,
[36:21] Speaker 2: and I was like, I looked over and there was
[36:22] Speaker 2: nobody there, and I was like, what the hell was that,
[36:25] Speaker 2: you know? And there was a lot of teenager pranks,
[36:29] Speaker 2: so like young one pranks that would happen like that, right,
[36:31] Speaker 2: Like they would just do things to kind of get
[36:33] Speaker 2: a reaction out of you.
[36:35] Speaker 1: I guess you could say, oh sure.
[36:37] Speaker 2: And so anyways, I while I was walking back, this
[36:40] Speaker 2: is when I heard this this question in my head,
[36:44] Speaker 2: and it said, why do you want to know what
[36:47] Speaker 2: we are when you don't know what you are?
[36:49] Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
[36:50] Speaker 2: And I was like, and it didn't hit me at first, right,
[36:53] Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't know, Like I was
[36:56] Speaker 2: going there every day, right, I would leave work and
[36:58] Speaker 2: just go straight there. So I had become like this obsession,
[37:01] Speaker 2: and I think that they had kind of been like, dude,
[37:03] Speaker 2: what are you doing? Right? And so I remember walking
[37:10] Speaker 2: around and I walked back and I was like, I'm
[37:11] Speaker 2: gonna go back to my car, walking back to my car,
[37:14] Speaker 2: and that just it just hit me. It just really
[37:15] Speaker 2: sunk in, Like what am I doing. I'm just I'm
[37:18] Speaker 2: spending so much time in the woods trying to figure
[37:20] Speaker 2: out who they are when I don't even know who
[37:22] Speaker 2: I am. Like, I really don't like we as humans,
[37:24] Speaker 2: we don't know who we are. We still have like
[37:26] Speaker 2: a missing link, you know, and like our and it's
[37:29] Speaker 2: like the ultimate question, like what are we? You know?
[37:33] Speaker 2: And so I remember I stopped going there so much
[37:37] Speaker 2: because there was times where I would go there and
[37:40] Speaker 2: they would they wouldn't interact or do anything right, and
[37:45] Speaker 2: I would be back there, and then when I would
[37:46] Speaker 2: get to my car or walk out of the area,
[37:48] Speaker 2: I would hear would knock from that area, right, And
[37:50] Speaker 2: it was like it was either them saying like we
[37:52] Speaker 2: were here, but we don't want to interact right now,
[37:54] Speaker 2: or like he's gone, you guys can come back out right.
[37:57] Speaker 2: And so it wasn't every time I would go back
[38:00] Speaker 2: there they would interact me. There was times I would
[38:03] Speaker 2: back there and I would be were those rock formations
[38:06] Speaker 2: where I was talking about, and I could hear something
[38:09] Speaker 2: underneath my feet banging on the rocks. Wow, another weird
[38:14] Speaker 2: thing that would happen right there. But another thing I
[38:17] Speaker 2: didn't mention was so when I was back to that
[38:19] Speaker 2: one time and I felt that love, like that love energy,
[38:24] Speaker 2: this is something people say don't do and I understand that,
[38:27] Speaker 2: and I would say don't do this. But at the time,
[38:31] Speaker 2: after I had experienced that much love, I'd never felt
[38:34] Speaker 2: that much love in my mind. And I still I
[38:37] Speaker 2: stand by this. Anything that would have a malevolent or
[38:40] Speaker 2: evil intent would not be able to experience that amount
[38:45] Speaker 2: of love and still want to remain evil or malevolent,
[38:50] Speaker 2: because you would not want to lose your connection to
[38:53] Speaker 2: that love. That's been my chasing the dragon moment ever since.
[38:57] Speaker 2: I've been searching for that amount of love ever since.
[39:00] Speaker 2: So anything that would radiate that wouldn't want to lose that.
[39:07] Speaker 2: So at the time, I was like, oh my god,
[39:11] Speaker 2: you know, this is love. So I invited them back
[39:13] Speaker 2: to my house. And people say what they want about that, right, yeah,
[39:17] Speaker 2: soa and as a general statement, I will say I
[39:21] Speaker 2: probably wouldn't recommend it if you don't know how to
[39:25] Speaker 2: deal with it. Because I invited them back to my house,
[39:28] Speaker 2: they started coming to my house it was either that
[39:30] Speaker 2: night or the night after and tapping on the windows
[39:33] Speaker 2: of our second story bedroom and and that didn't freak
[39:37] Speaker 2: me out, freak my wife out, and I apologized to
[39:40] Speaker 2: her for this several times, you know, but they would
[39:43] Speaker 2: just like tap the window and they would do it
[39:47] Speaker 2: all the times of the night, off and on for
[39:50] Speaker 2: like months because we moved to Oregon probably a year
[39:55] Speaker 2: or two after that incident.
[39:57] Speaker 1: Okay, So.
[40:00] Speaker 2: But as I was learning to navigate through this, I
[40:04] Speaker 2: opened myself up to other things that I shouldn't have,
[40:08] Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
[40:08] Speaker 1: Oh, I was like, this is this is going to
[40:11] Speaker 1: be is going to be really interesting because you probably did.
[40:17] Speaker 1: You start to see like orbs inside your house and stuff.
[40:21] Speaker 2: They were outside of our house in our backyard, and
[40:25] Speaker 2: things started happening in the house. So when I say
[40:30] Speaker 2: inviting things backs, not a general good idea, be very specific.
[40:33] Speaker 2: And this is what I've learned through the years of
[40:35] Speaker 2: of you be very specific and you set boundaries right
[40:40] Speaker 2: of what's acceptable, what you will allow, and and stick
[40:44] Speaker 2: with those boundaries because they're going to be very important
[40:46] Speaker 2: as you move through this. And it's not like the
[40:50] Speaker 2: Sasquatch people are malevolent in that way. But if they
[40:55] Speaker 2: don't have an idea of where your limit is, of
[40:57] Speaker 2: where they're going to push too far right, they will
[41:00] Speaker 2: they will go there. And it's not them being mean.
[41:03] Speaker 2: Sometimes it's the teenagers or the young ones just being
[41:05] Speaker 2: a little bit mischievous.
[41:07] Speaker 1: Or rest Absolutely so, did you was it as simple
[41:11] Speaker 1: as you were like, Hey, I want you guys to
[41:14] Speaker 1: start and blah blah blah, you know, or I.
[41:18] Speaker 2: Just invited into my house, you know? I was like
[41:21] Speaker 2: out loud, yep, yep, because in my mind, I was like, well,
[41:24] Speaker 2: I'm going to their area, it seems like and and
[41:28] Speaker 2: if I'm in their actual spot, right, because I would
[41:31] Speaker 2: see tree structures which I didn't touch on, they would
[41:33] Speaker 2: make these giant exes right. And I don't know how
[41:36] Speaker 2: people interpreted exes. They could like some people say they
[41:39] Speaker 2: mean keep out, some people they say they mean like
[41:41] Speaker 2: welcome or friends welcome, something like that, regardless of how
[41:45] Speaker 2: you interpret it. I was in those areas walking around
[41:48] Speaker 2: talking to them, right. So to me, I was like,
[41:51] Speaker 2: it's not fair for me to do this in their
[41:54] Speaker 2: spot and not offer them to come interact.
[41:58] Speaker 1: With us in our spot. Yeah.
[42:01] Speaker 2: So again this is just my mentality on these things.
[42:04] Speaker 2: And I if you're not prepared for that to happen,
[42:07] Speaker 2: like actually prepared, then I wouldn't recommend doing that. Yeah,
[42:13] Speaker 2: but it got it got interesting, it got fun, and
[42:17] Speaker 2: it would get spooky, like I got spooked a couple
[42:19] Speaker 2: of times. I won't lie about that, and and it
[42:22] Speaker 2: was mostly because I did not know to set limits
[42:26] Speaker 2: and so but I will tell this one story just
[42:30] Speaker 2: to give people an idea of what it can be like.
[42:32] Speaker 2: So on on my wife, So the way I bed
[42:36] Speaker 2: was set up, my wife's side of the bed was
[42:39] Speaker 2: face this wall. The window faced the forest, and we
[42:43] Speaker 2: had we were in a subdivision. Another thing that I
[42:46] Speaker 2: want to touch you. We were in a subdivision, like
[42:48] Speaker 2: in suburban Atlanta, and they were coming to our house.
[42:51] Speaker 2: We were the last house on a cul de sac
[42:54] Speaker 2: and there was there was forest behind us, but so
[42:55] Speaker 2: they would usually come to that window tap on the window,
[43:00] Speaker 2: and my window faced the backyard, which was fencedance, so
[43:03] Speaker 2: it's not as easy to access. So we had this
[43:07] Speaker 2: neighbor that lived across the street that had this dog.
[43:09] Speaker 2: They would tie up to the tree and the dog
[43:11] Speaker 2: would bark a lot. And so this one day, I
[43:13] Speaker 2: rolled my trash cans down our driveway to the street
[43:16] Speaker 2: and that dog started barking, and it's just a really
[43:19] Speaker 2: it's one of those dogs that just barked for like
[43:21] Speaker 2: an hour after you got it going. And I remember
[43:23] Speaker 2: going in the house and I said, we got to
[43:25] Speaker 2: do something about this dog, because it's just really inconsiderate
[43:28] Speaker 2: for everyone in the neighborhood for these people to do this,
[43:30] Speaker 2: and it's in considered for the dog too. So my
[43:34] Speaker 2: wife and I were like, well, should be calling animal control,
[43:36] Speaker 2: and I was like, get out, let's call it in
[43:37] Speaker 2: the morning. Let's just go to sleep, and so we
[43:39] Speaker 2: went to sleep, and so that night I woke up
[43:42] Speaker 2: to somebody tapping on the window on my side of
[43:45] Speaker 2: the bed, which didn't usually happen. So I remember thinking like, oh,
[43:49] Speaker 2: this is different, something's going on. I should I go
[43:52] Speaker 2: outside or should I wait here and see what happens?
[43:54] Speaker 2: So I just decided to lay there and wait and
[43:56] Speaker 2: see what happened next. And a couple of minutes later
[43:59] Speaker 2: I heard like a tree breaking, like crack and fall over,
[44:04] Speaker 2: which what happened occasionally in the woods behind our house.
[44:06] Speaker 2: So I didn't really think a whole lot about it.
[44:09] Speaker 2: I just remember thinking more like, that's exciting that they
[44:12] Speaker 2: tapped on my window this time, so they're in the
[44:14] Speaker 2: backyard now. And I fell asleep. I woke up the
[44:18] Speaker 2: next morning. I go out to my car. I started,
[44:21] Speaker 2: I'd totally forgotten about all of this. I started driving
[44:23] Speaker 2: on the driveway and in the driveway were my trash cans,
[44:27] Speaker 2: and they were moved into my driveway facing the other direction,
[44:32] Speaker 2: so like the handles were facing away from me. And
[44:36] Speaker 2: I remember being like, oh haha, guys, you know, because
[44:40] Speaker 2: that's the type of joke so'll do, Like the whoever
[44:42] Speaker 2: will come by the house. They would do little pranks
[44:44] Speaker 2: like move things around and stuff. And I was like,
[44:47] Speaker 2: oh ha ha, guys, you know you got me. And
[44:48] Speaker 2: so I got I got out of the car and
[44:50] Speaker 2: I moved the trash cans back down. And when I
[44:53] Speaker 2: put the trash cans back on the street and I
[44:54] Speaker 2: looked up at my neighbor's house, the tree that the
[44:57] Speaker 2: dog was always tied to was broken, pushed over, and
[45:00] Speaker 2: the dog was tied up to their front porch and
[45:04] Speaker 2: that dog was never outside again. And so it's just
[45:08] Speaker 2: one of those things that like, you can extrapolate that
[45:13] Speaker 2: all day, right, like, how did they were they listening
[45:15] Speaker 2: to us? You know, how did they know how to
[45:18] Speaker 2: do that? But that's the type of thing that happened
[45:21] Speaker 2: after they started coming to our house.
[45:24] Speaker 1: That that is, man, that lines up with a lot
[45:27] Speaker 1: of other things I've heard in other experiencer accounts. So
[45:32] Speaker 1: you weres you're saying then, But it did also open
[45:38] Speaker 1: it up to other things coming inside besides me, and
[45:41] Speaker 1: I don't want to If this is stuff where you're
[45:43] Speaker 1: not wanting to talk about, do not worry about it,
[45:45] Speaker 1: and we can build right now.
[45:47] Speaker 2: It's important, right, especially if I'm going to sit here
[45:50] Speaker 2: and tell tell people to open up to them, not
[45:53] Speaker 2: be scared of them, right. I Also it's responsible enough.
[45:57] Speaker 2: It's responsible for me to tell people to be careful.
[46:01] Speaker 2: There's other things out there, And I don't mean that
[46:04] Speaker 2: to scare people. I just mean, like, you know how
[46:07] Speaker 2: like in vampire movies, like vampires can't do anything to
[46:12] Speaker 2: you unless you invite them in your house type of stuff.
[46:15] Speaker 2: It's on that level. Right, You're a sovereign being, You
[46:18] Speaker 2: have free will. They cannot interfere with your free will
[46:21] Speaker 2: unless you give them permission to. They cannot enter you
[46:24] Speaker 2: or your domicile unless you give them permission to. So
[46:28] Speaker 2: you hold all the cards in this right, you're the
[46:31] Speaker 2: power player. But you have to know these beforehand, which
[46:36] Speaker 2: I didn't at the time. And so when I say
[46:40] Speaker 2: you invite things in, you need to set an idea
[46:44] Speaker 2: of like what you want to come in. So, like
[46:47] Speaker 2: like I always set when I go camp, I set
[46:49] Speaker 2: a protection around my area, around my tent, and I say, like,
[46:52] Speaker 2: you know, only things of a loving heart, entities of
[46:57] Speaker 2: a loving heart, beings of a loving heart may enter
[46:59] Speaker 2: this sacred space. Anything with malevolence or ill intent may
[47:03] Speaker 2: not enter this, you know. So, like that's what I
[47:06] Speaker 2: mean by it happens on that sort of a level.
[47:09] Speaker 2: Just setting intentions like that and sticking to them, it's
[47:13] Speaker 2: super important. So I say this because one night I
[47:18] Speaker 2: opened up myself to anyone who wanted to come into
[47:21] Speaker 2: my dream state and come visit me. And I was
[47:26] Speaker 2: that night visited by an entity that was not there
[47:31] Speaker 2: for good. And so I won't get into that scenario,
[47:36] Speaker 2: but it was my It was my experience that let
[47:39] Speaker 2: me know, like, Okay, I can't let myself be open
[47:41] Speaker 2: to just anything, right, Like you have to set and
[47:46] Speaker 2: so being respectful, having reverence for an area and for
[47:51] Speaker 2: the beings in that area, having a loving mindset, it
[47:55] Speaker 2: kind of sets the precedents for anything that would want
[47:59] Speaker 2: to say, like do harm to you. It like automatically
[48:03] Speaker 2: they're like, oh, this guy's he knows like, I'm not
[48:06] Speaker 2: gonna be able to trick him, because what they'll do
[48:08] Speaker 2: is they'll they can do things to trick you into
[48:10] Speaker 2: giving away your sovereignty or to giving away and opening
[48:14] Speaker 2: up to it. I don't know if that makes sense
[48:17] Speaker 2: to know it it does. It's a very subtle and
[48:20] Speaker 2: nuanced thing, and like and so two of the things
[48:25] Speaker 2: that I've noticed, the two biggest things are fear and
[48:28] Speaker 2: ego that leave people open to that manipulation.
[48:32] Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, I agree with you absolutely on that
[48:36] Speaker 1: it's there are things in this world that are evil
[48:41] Speaker 1: and they will try to trick you and cause your downfall,
[48:45] Speaker 1: and yeah, absolute, Yeah.
[48:48] Speaker 2: And ego is a big one because people that want
[48:51] Speaker 2: to be like the guy you know, or be like
[48:53] Speaker 2: the person, they leave themselves open and vulnerable to information
[48:57] Speaker 2: because they want to have that right, and so something
[49:01] Speaker 2: will come to them and be like, oh, I'll tell
[49:03] Speaker 2: you whatever you want to hear, and then you'll let
[49:05] Speaker 2: me in. You know. I think that there's a there's
[49:09] Speaker 2: just a lot of subtle nuance to all this stuff
[49:12] Speaker 2: that that people need to be careful of. So, yeah,
[49:19] Speaker 2: I forgot what I was talking about before.
[49:21] Speaker 1: I think that's that's that is a very good reminder
[49:25] Speaker 1: for people that this is not a this is not
[49:27] Speaker 1: just this stuff you hear on podcasts is not just
[49:31] Speaker 1: a game. There's you got to be careful what you do, guys,
[49:35] Speaker 1: and and what you put your trust in, whether that
[49:39] Speaker 1: be you know, religious, religious things, or anything else. So
[49:46] Speaker 1: it sounds like, so at this time, we're about twenty eighteen,
[49:49] Speaker 1: and then twenty nineteen is when you guys move out
[49:53] Speaker 1: to Oregon. Is that right?
[49:55] Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen.
[49:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like once you get out there, it
[50:00] Speaker 1: kind of things got even more intense.
[50:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it jumped up a level. Yeah, and so oh,
[50:13] Speaker 2: I totally Yeah. So in the process of learning all
[50:16] Speaker 2: my stuff in Georgia, I actually met a group and
[50:20] Speaker 2: that was Keith beard In and Arlo Collette Williams started. Yeah,
[50:28] Speaker 2: so they started doing like campouts. Keith was having experiences
[50:31] Speaker 2: in the area and so they started doing campouts. They
[50:35] Speaker 2: found a spot where they had seen signs, and so
[50:37] Speaker 2: they started doing these like campouts. And so I got
[50:40] Speaker 2: Keith's book. I reached out to Keith and I was like,
[50:43] Speaker 2: one of the spots he mentioned in his book was
[50:45] Speaker 2: a place that I was having experiences. Because there's a
[50:47] Speaker 2: ton of stuff, I didn't even mention yet that I
[50:49] Speaker 2: had experiences in Georgia, and you know, for the sake
[50:52] Speaker 2: of time, I won't get into all those. But I
[50:56] Speaker 2: had reached out to Keith because, like I said, a
[50:58] Speaker 2: spot he had experience I had too, and I was like,
[51:01] Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about this, and he
[51:02] Speaker 2: was like, well, we're having a camp out. Why don't
[51:03] Speaker 2: you come to the camp out. So I went to
[51:06] Speaker 2: the camp out and met everybody, and this was in
[51:09] Speaker 2: a place that we had some of the most amazing
[51:10] Speaker 2: experiences at and it was a place we would see
[51:14] Speaker 2: eyeshine a lot. They would come into camp, they would
[51:18] Speaker 2: come sit right behind us when we were by the fire.
[51:20] Speaker 2: It was just one of those places that it was
[51:25] Speaker 2: a state park and the gates would close at night,
[51:30] Speaker 2: but they would allow us to have campouts there. And
[51:33] Speaker 2: so it got to the point where the rangers were
[51:36] Speaker 2: so happy that we were there researching in the area
[51:40] Speaker 2: or experiencing them because they knew the Sasquatch people were
[51:43] Speaker 2: there and they didn't have anyone else to talk to
[51:45] Speaker 2: about it. So they came to us, and eventually we
[51:48] Speaker 2: became friends with them, and they gave us the code
[51:49] Speaker 2: to the gate so we could go back there at night.
[51:54] Speaker 2: And so me and Ginger Lockwood and Paul Lockwood, her husband,
[51:58] Speaker 2: and sometimes Keith, we would go back there all the
[52:00] Speaker 2: time because we only lived like twenty minutes away, you know,
[52:03] Speaker 2: and I had some amazing experiences. But so I had
[52:08] Speaker 2: that up until you know, twenty seventeen, and then we
[52:13] Speaker 2: moved out here to Oregon in twenty seventeen and to Bend.
[52:16] Speaker 2: And I came out to Oregon in two thousand and one,
[52:20] Speaker 2: and I've been wanting to move out here ever since,
[52:22] Speaker 2: and it just took like fifteen years, you know, to
[52:24] Speaker 2: get everything lined up right. Sure, and so we moved
[52:28] Speaker 2: out here and again synchronistically. I know this sounds out there,
[52:34] Speaker 2: but this is just how things have happened, and I
[52:36] Speaker 2: have to be truthful about how they happen. This was May.
[52:41] Speaker 2: We moved out here in April, and so early May.
[52:45] Speaker 2: We're still a little naive about the weather here, right
[52:47] Speaker 2: because we're used to the East Coast, you know, and
[52:49] Speaker 2: so in May, like it's not warm here yet, it's
[52:52] Speaker 2: still cool, especially when you get in the mountains, right
[52:54] Speaker 2: there's still a ton of snow. So we're like, let's
[52:57] Speaker 2: go camp a right cool. So we get up, you know,
[53:00] Speaker 2: get our things together, get the kids. I found a
[53:03] Speaker 2: place on Google Maps that I wanted to check out.
[53:06] Speaker 2: So on the way up there, the road was still
[53:08] Speaker 2: closed because they hadn't plowed from that area for like
[53:13] Speaker 2: fifty miles. You still have to plow it out in
[53:15] Speaker 2: late June, and so I was like, oh crap, So
[53:19] Speaker 2: we go back. Found a forest road. We go up
[53:21] Speaker 2: the forest road as far as we've can a few miles,
[53:23] Speaker 2: as close as I can get to where I wanted
[53:25] Speaker 2: to go, but then there was snow, and I was
[53:28] Speaker 2: like shit, so we stopped. Sorry, I don't mean the
[53:30] Speaker 2: cut side.
[53:31] Speaker 1: Oh you're good, I'll take care of it, okay.
[53:36] Speaker 2: So I found a spot. I was like, let's just
[53:38] Speaker 2: let's just park up here, like well, camp here for
[53:40] Speaker 2: the night. It's a great spot, and so we set up,
[53:43] Speaker 2: get a fire going, we walk around and explore. It's
[53:47] Speaker 2: just amazing, Like there was just snow patches everywhere, but
[53:50] Speaker 2: the lakes were thawing out and there was like frogs
[53:53] Speaker 2: and it was just such a cool experience. My kids
[53:55] Speaker 2: were excited, you know, they were like eight and five
[53:58] Speaker 2: at the time. So we're sitting there by the fire
[54:02] Speaker 2: and it's sun starts going down and it starts getting cold,
[54:05] Speaker 2: like way colder than we thought it was going to be.
[54:07] Speaker 2: We're a few thousand feet up higher than where we
[54:10] Speaker 2: are here, and Ben probably like five six thousand foot
[54:13] Speaker 2: at that point. And so we had that talk my
[54:17] Speaker 2: wife and I was like, I don't know, man, it
[54:18] Speaker 2: might be too cold for us like her and I
[54:21] Speaker 2: would have been fine, but I think the kids might
[54:23] Speaker 2: have been a little cold, and I didn't want to
[54:24] Speaker 2: subject them to that. So I was like, why don't
[54:27] Speaker 2: we Why don't we just call it a night, go home,
[54:29] Speaker 2: and then we'll come back and we're a little better prepared.
[54:32] Speaker 2: And she was like, Okay, that's a good idea. So
[54:34] Speaker 2: it i'd gotten dark at that point, and so I
[54:37] Speaker 2: was like, all right, I'm going to go start warming
[54:39] Speaker 2: of the foreigner and we'll start packing up everything. So
[54:43] Speaker 2: I go back to the foreigner and she's walking behind me,
[54:45] Speaker 2: my wife, and I walk around my side of the
[54:48] Speaker 2: car was facing the woods on the other side of
[54:50] Speaker 2: the forest road, and so as I'm walking around my
[54:55] Speaker 2: side to the driver's door, I walk up to it
[54:57] Speaker 2: and to like, very very large individuals come rushing through
[55:02] Speaker 2: the woods towards me and they just you know, it
[55:05] Speaker 2: was just like see like like stops breaking and uh.
[55:10] Speaker 2: And I was like I laugh at this part. I
[55:14] Speaker 2: stopped and I look over and it's you know, it's dark.
[55:16] Speaker 2: I can't see anything right there, but there's just two
[55:19] Speaker 2: individuals standing there and I feel them and my wife
[55:23] Speaker 2: stands up over the top of my foreigner. She goes,
[55:26] Speaker 2: did you hear that? And I'm like, yeah, I heard that.
[55:30] Speaker 2: They're right here, you know. And so I was like okay,
[55:35] Speaker 2: really even thank you for allowing us to stay here,
[55:37] Speaker 2: and like we're gonna leave, and you know, appreciate it.
[55:40] Speaker 2: And that was just my That's how I deal with things.
[55:43] Speaker 2: I just talk out loud to them, right, and I
[55:45] Speaker 2: feel like it. It's just well received when I do that.
[55:50] Speaker 2: So they stayed there and kind of like kept an
[55:53] Speaker 2: eye on us, and again I didn't see them because
[55:54] Speaker 2: it was too dark, but as we're loading up and
[55:59] Speaker 2: we just left, and so again that was my like,
[56:01] Speaker 2: this is my spot, I'm going back there, And so
[56:03] Speaker 2: I would go back there, and jumping forward a few years,
[56:10] Speaker 2: like I had been going there. I would go there
[56:12] Speaker 2: late at night by myself. I would just try and
[56:14] Speaker 2: figure out like who was there, and eventually they would
[56:18] Speaker 2: always do things to let me know they were there.
[56:20] Speaker 2: And they would like you know, break sticks or you know,
[56:23] Speaker 2: like make noises and do things to let me know
[56:25] Speaker 2: they were there. And then in twenty twenty, they showed
[56:32] Speaker 2: themselves to me. But that's jumping forward, and it was
[56:34] Speaker 2: in like an interesting way where they like they sent
[56:38] Speaker 2: me these like images of themselves while I was camping
[56:41] Speaker 2: there by myself. Oh wow, like a psychic like a
[56:46] Speaker 2: visual image yeah. But and that's a slippery slow to
[56:50] Speaker 2: talk about, right, because a lot of people say, like, oh,
[56:51] Speaker 2: that's just your imagination. But I had I had just
[56:55] Speaker 2: laid down to go to sleep, and I just closed
[57:00] Speaker 2: my eyes and I closed my eyes and then there
[57:02] Speaker 2: was just his face. The male's face was just right there,
[57:05] Speaker 2: and it was crystal clear, clearer than any thing my
[57:10] Speaker 2: eyes could do. I could see like every detail of
[57:12] Speaker 2: his hair, of his facial features, and it just was
[57:17] Speaker 2: like embedded in my memory. And it was like it bypassed,
[57:20] Speaker 2: you know, like your visual cortex and all that stuff
[57:23] Speaker 2: of your brain, and it was just like there. And
[57:25] Speaker 2: I don't really know how to explain it, but I've
[57:27] Speaker 2: since spoken to people who have experiences too, So that
[57:31] Speaker 2: was very reassuring, you know, to me that like I
[57:35] Speaker 2: wasn't imagining it. So I saw him and he had
[57:40] Speaker 2: like black hair, it was kind of I don't know,
[57:45] Speaker 2: two inches long maybe, and it just like laid back,
[57:48] Speaker 2: I mean, rather handsome looking face, like a like a
[57:52] Speaker 2: primitive man type look, kind of cheekbones, very flat nose,
[57:57] Speaker 2: but not like a super flat like he had this
[58:00] Speaker 2: little bump on the tip of his nose. That was cool,
[58:04] Speaker 2: but he had like kind of like an a Lincoln
[58:06] Speaker 2: style beard, like no mustache, but his skin was like
[58:10] Speaker 2: a dry, ashy kind of color, so it in contrast
[58:15] Speaker 2: with his hair that was black, it made it look
[58:18] Speaker 2: like a purplish, navy blue gray kind of color. And
[58:24] Speaker 2: then so I saw his face and then it transferred
[58:29] Speaker 2: to like a female sasquatch space, and she had brown
[58:32] Speaker 2: hair and Caucasian colored skin like, and she was very pretty.
[58:38] Speaker 2: And that caught me off guard. And so this is
[58:40] Speaker 2: one of those things where it's like, in order for
[58:43] Speaker 2: your brain and your hippocampus to make images, it usually
[58:47] Speaker 2: takes references for things that you experienced and kind of
[58:50] Speaker 2: puts the puzzle pieces together from what you're seeing to
[58:52] Speaker 2: create an image in your brain. The thing that got
[58:56] Speaker 2: me on this was like it caught me off guard, right,
[59:00] Speaker 2: it wasn't something that I had ever really imagined happening.
[59:02] Speaker 2: Was how pretty she was. She had a very pretty
[59:05] Speaker 2: human looking face, and I remember being struck by that.
[59:09] Speaker 2: And anyways, so she looked at me and she was
[59:13] Speaker 2: very peaceful. He was stern, but peaceful. She was just
[59:17] Speaker 2: very welcoming and peaceful. And then it transferred to a
[59:21] Speaker 2: little one and he was black hair, Caucasian, light skin
[59:26] Speaker 2: color face, but his head was shaped like like and
[59:32] Speaker 2: I don't mean it's disrespectful at all, it's just the
[59:34] Speaker 2: best way I can describe it to people like Stewie
[59:36] Speaker 2: from Family Guy, right, kind of like a like a
[59:40] Speaker 2: like a football almost not that drastic, yeah, yeah, not
[59:44] Speaker 2: that drastic, but that's the shape. And I remember like
[59:48] Speaker 2: being like, oh wow, that's an interesting, you know shape.
[59:50] Speaker 2: And he was very again, like very peaceful and pleasant.
[59:54] Speaker 2: And so that's how I got introduced to that group.
[59:57] Speaker 2: And people can say whatever they want about that interroduction,
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: but I found that I feel that that's how the
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: Sasquatch people like to present themselves, more so than being
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: out in the open and presenting themselves in a physical
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: state because it leaves them vulnerable. And so.
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Anyways, I have a question about that real quick.
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: So you at that point, we're not meditating. It was
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: you had laid down, closed eyes and happened right away.
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: Are you also an individual though, that does meditation as
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: part of these interactions.
[1:00:40] Speaker 2: I've tried, I've experimented with it. I'm just not very
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: good at meditation. It's just not something I'm I'm just curious. Yeah, yeah,
[1:00:47] Speaker 2: I have I have moments and and I don't want
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: to force it, you know what I mean, Like I
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: don't want to go into an area and force the meditation.
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: But there are times where I'll be like in an
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: area and I'll be very relaxed and I will actually
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: just go into a state of meditation because I do
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: a lot. I spend a lot of time in the woods. Uh,
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: And so that's like my place where I go and
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: unwind and ground and if I'm having issues, I'll just
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: go and drum or just sit and absorb and let things,
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: you know, leave. And I've had things happen in those
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: types of states where they'll they've let me know that
[1:01:26] Speaker 2: they've been around or while I'm there doing that type
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: of stuff. So I will say that I think meditation
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: does help. I'm just not I'm not a pro at it.
[1:01:36] Speaker 1: By any interesting So after you have like these visions
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: come to your to your mind, to your vision of
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: the three different individuals, how does that affect things interaction
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: wise or just with yourself in general? After having that experience.
[1:01:54] Speaker 2: So that group I I have this like connection with,
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: now that area actually has like random people coming up
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: occasionally because it's kind of remote, but it's just close
[1:02:08] Speaker 2: enough that sometimes people will go back there and party,
[1:02:10] Speaker 2: you know, and so they'll leave like these messes. And
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: part of my agreement with that group is like, hey,
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: just let me know when I need to come up
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: there pick up trash.
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: I'm glad.
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: And so I go up there a lot pick up trash.
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: So that that instance in Oregon with that family showing
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: me themselves in that fashion was a new thing for me.
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: That wasn't that was like, it was a very interesting
[1:02:37] Speaker 2: experience for me. But so going back a little bit,
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: I started when I started experiencing that group, I found
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: another area and it kind of in the same way
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: that the Georgia stuff unfolded, started having experiences nothing crazy.
[1:02:57] Speaker 2: And so there was a conference in twenty nineteen in
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: n Themclaw, Washington, Tom Pintreller, and so I was like, oh,
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: I'm gonna go up there and see some friends because
[1:03:09] Speaker 2: Arlen Keith were going up there, and so I was like,
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: I'll go up there. So I went up to the
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: conference and at this point I was not like, I
[1:03:18] Speaker 2: say I'm a background person. Now I was really a
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: background person. Then I was not really into opening up
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: about the stuff. I was very reserved and there is
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: like a period of imposter syndrome that I experienced, you know,
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: coming into this. So at that conference, I was sitting
[1:03:41] Speaker 2: with Keith, and the first night at the conference, they
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: were like, anyone who wants to come up and talk
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: about their experiences, you know, please come on up. And
[1:03:50] Speaker 2: Keith was like, you should go up there and tell
[1:03:51] Speaker 2: some of your stories, because you've got some great stuff.
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm just not ready to talk
[1:03:54] Speaker 2: about this stuff yet. And so that night I was
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: camping by myself and I went to camp and I
[1:04:01] Speaker 2: remember I was sitting by the I was sitting by
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: my campfire and I was reading I had just bought
[1:04:05] Speaker 2: Ron Morehead's Quantum Bigfoot, I think that was the name
[1:04:08] Speaker 2: of it. And I I was reading that book by
[1:04:11] Speaker 2: the fire, and as I was reading it, I heard
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: I was the only person in the campsite this night.
[1:04:17] Speaker 2: I heard a voice in my head say you must
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: speak of this. And as that happened, this weird thing
[1:04:27] Speaker 2: happened with my brain or my mind, where like all
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: my experience has kind of like filed themselves away in
[1:04:33] Speaker 2: a neat fashion. I don't know I explain that part.
[1:04:36] Speaker 2: Some people might understand what I'm saying. But it was
[1:04:40] Speaker 2: almost as if all of the jumbled information that I
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: had been acquiring over the years filed it away neatly,
[1:04:46] Speaker 2: and I just understood that, like it's really important for
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: us to discuss this stuff. And so that message really
[1:04:54] Speaker 2: sank in with me again. And that's when I stepped
[1:04:57] Speaker 2: out and started talking about things and wow, and so yeah, okay, yeah,
[1:05:06] Speaker 2: so let's just dive into this part because this is
[1:05:08] Speaker 2: where it was weird before. This is really where it started.
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: This is like where where wow. Okay, yeah, yeah, go
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: for it.
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: Man, We'll just jump into this because this is where
[1:05:18] Speaker 2: it really ramped up. So after that and I started
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: speaking about things coming onto the public eye a little
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: bit more, I started getting these like again messages or downloads,
[1:05:35] Speaker 2: and it it I don't really know how to explain
[1:05:40] Speaker 2: this part. It words are hard to use, Like there's
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: not really words in the English language that can explain
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: some of this stuff adequately. I started getting these messages
[1:05:50] Speaker 2: is that was coming from someone through a particular individual,
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: But it was as if a group of people were
[1:05:59] Speaker 2: talking to me and the messages were coming through one person.
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes any sense. It's like
[1:06:05] Speaker 2: a group kind of discusses something and then they're like,
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: all right, tell them this, And then that person was
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: telling this, but it was embedded in the message was
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: the understanding that it was a group. So I was
[1:06:15] Speaker 2: working with a group of people and I know this
[1:06:18] Speaker 2: sounds crazy.
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: But I have to do it, doesn't It doesn't.
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: I have to be honest about the stuff, right, because
[1:06:23] Speaker 2: it's important. And so I reached out to Arla eventually
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: because she's been she's been like my my guidance through
[1:06:33] Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff. And I was like, I'm
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: going to run this past. You tell me what you think.
[1:06:38] Speaker 2: And Arla is very interesting because she doesn't really answer
[1:06:41] Speaker 2: you outright. She will give you a question or say
[1:06:45] Speaker 2: something to make you think about it, right. And I
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: find that the Sasquatch people do the same thing. They're
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: not going to tell you about right, but they might
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: do something to make you think about it. So she
[1:06:56] Speaker 2: would ask me these series of questions, and the questions
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: kept leading me up. And I'm remember telling her a
[1:07:01] Speaker 2: long time ago when we were in Georgia that like,
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: for whatever reason, I looked forward to having a Sasquatch teacher,
[1:07:07] Speaker 2: or like an interaction up close with one, the same
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: way that like a little girl might think of her
[1:07:12] Speaker 2: wedding day, you know what I mean, Like I would
[1:07:15] Speaker 2: daydream about having this experience where I would meet a
[1:07:18] Speaker 2: Sasquatch person and be able to communicate with them. I
[1:07:20] Speaker 2: still and I remember saying that as a joke one day.
[1:07:24] Speaker 2: So anyways, so I was bouncing stuff off her about
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: what I was experiencing, and it was like these energy
[1:07:32] Speaker 2: things were coming into me, and I was like, I
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: don't really know what's going on. She'd be like, just
[1:07:37] Speaker 2: ground yourself and you'll be okay. And so I was
[1:07:41] Speaker 2: going to camp some Memorial Day weekend of twenty nineteen
[1:07:45] Speaker 2: and I and I'm like, I won't get into all
[1:07:53] Speaker 2: the details because there's some things I want to leave
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: out on purpose.
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: Whatever you're comfortable with, Sam.
[1:07:57] Speaker 2: Yeah. So there was some things that Arla said and
[1:08:03] Speaker 2: I held on to them because I felt like they
[1:08:04] Speaker 2: were important, but they were very vague, right, just some
[1:08:10] Speaker 2: things to look for, And so I was like, okay.
[1:08:12] Speaker 2: So I go up to camp and off right off
[1:08:16] Speaker 2: the bat, I noticed one of the things she mentioned,
[1:08:18] Speaker 2: and I was like no way. So I get to camp.
[1:08:23] Speaker 2: We set up and it was really nice the first day,
[1:08:27] Speaker 2: and then these clouds came in. We're on top of
[1:08:31] Speaker 2: a ridge top and you can overlook like we're about
[1:08:35] Speaker 2: sixty five hundred feet and you can look at the
[1:08:37] Speaker 2: high desert all around. I mean you can see almost
[1:08:39] Speaker 2: a Washington state from where we are. It's amazing area.
[1:08:43] Speaker 2: And unfortunately it just burned last week with one of
[1:08:46] Speaker 2: the fires here.
[1:08:47] Speaker 1: I have a feeling, I know, yeah, it's terrible.
[1:08:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, the fires right now are so some brain
[1:08:57] Speaker 2: came through that first that first night and it dropped.
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: I mean, like the temperature when we got up the
[1:09:02] Speaker 2: next morning was like thirty four and it was like
[1:09:05] Speaker 2: the clouds were just sitting on top of us. It
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: was cloudy and windy and foggy, just like terrible weather.
[1:09:13] Speaker 2: Like any any sane individual would have left and just
[1:09:17] Speaker 2: gone home, right, and some stubborn guy and I just
[1:09:20] Speaker 2: pushed through it. My kids were great sports. My wife
[1:09:22] Speaker 2: was an awesome sport about it. We played games in
[1:09:25] Speaker 2: the tent and just cooked and made the best of
[1:09:28] Speaker 2: it for two days. And I'm at that point I'm
[1:09:32] Speaker 2: starting to wonder, like is anything going to happen, you know,
[1:09:35] Speaker 2: probably not or whatever. So that night, last night, we're
[1:09:39] Speaker 2: in camp. I'm laying in my tent. I'm gonna close
[1:09:44] Speaker 2: my eyes when I say this because it just helps
[1:09:45] Speaker 2: me bring it back. So laying in my tent and
[1:09:48] Speaker 2: my Forerunner is maybe ten feet away. Sparked right here
[1:09:52] Speaker 2: to my left, and as I'm sleeping, I hear a
[1:09:59] Speaker 2: tree branch or maybe a tree just like snapped in
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: half in the valley below us. It was just like
[1:10:03] Speaker 2: this bow and it just like echoed it came up,
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: but it got my heart beat going and I and
[1:10:12] Speaker 2: I remember trying to calm myself down, and I was like, okay,
[1:10:16] Speaker 2: calm down, calm down. And it was like between the
[1:10:19] Speaker 2: break and me trying to calm down was maybe like
[1:10:22] Speaker 2: two seconds. And then right next to me in the
[1:10:26] Speaker 2: like outside of the tent, between me and the Forerunner
[1:10:28] Speaker 2: was a whistle and it was like you know, and
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: I've heard that whistle before, and so I I was like, Okay,
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: someone's here. And so I started trying to calm myself
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: because your your body's going to have a reaction, right
[1:10:43] Speaker 2: no matter how many times you see them or come
[1:10:46] Speaker 2: to contact with them. Your body is going to have
[1:10:49] Speaker 2: like a chemical or hormonal, you know, some kind of reaction. Right,
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: So my heart was like WoT boot boom, boom, And
[1:10:56] Speaker 2: you have to calm yourself down. And as I'm sitting
[1:11:02] Speaker 2: here trying to breathe, and again this is GE's weird,
[1:11:04] Speaker 2: so just bear with me, because that's got to be
[1:11:09] Speaker 2: truthful about this. I'm in my tent, my family's next
[1:11:12] Speaker 2: to me, they're all asleep. I'm just trying to just
[1:11:14] Speaker 2: breathing to calm myself down, and I'm taking in these
[1:11:17] Speaker 2: deep breaths. And part of this like breathing meditation, I
[1:11:21] Speaker 2: kind of do. So yeah, I do meditate. Like you
[1:11:24] Speaker 2: were talking about earlier. Is I imagine the cold air
[1:11:28] Speaker 2: coming in when I draw it in and it goes
[1:11:31] Speaker 2: into my lungs, I imagine it charging my heart, like
[1:11:34] Speaker 2: my heart center. And this is just so I was
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: every time the cold air because it was in the
[1:11:42] Speaker 2: thirties again, and so I would just you'd feel it
[1:11:44] Speaker 2: and so like it just would imagine this thing, and
[1:11:47] Speaker 2: it was calming me down, and I was just waiting
[1:11:49] Speaker 2: for something to happen. And as I'm doing this this
[1:11:54] Speaker 2: like light, I don't really not explain it. It was like
[1:12:00] Speaker 2: a bubble of light came out of my chest and
[1:12:06] Speaker 2: it was like around me and my family in the tent,
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: and I remember looking at it being like, what is that?
[1:12:15] Speaker 2: And they're asleep. My family's sleeping through this whole thing,
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: which was another thing in itself, and that's happened a
[1:12:21] Speaker 2: couple times before. And so okay, So the person standing
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: next to my tent, she introduces herself to me as
[1:12:34] Speaker 2: showing me her name, and so I see these I
[1:12:38] Speaker 2: have my eyes closed at the time, but there's these
[1:12:39] Speaker 2: block letters that kind of come into my field of
[1:12:41] Speaker 2: view and as my eyes are closed, and it said
[1:12:44] Speaker 2: her name, which was Vavian. And they were doing this
[1:12:48] Speaker 2: weird thing where they were kind of doing like this,
[1:12:49] Speaker 2: coming in and out and she man, it's just really
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: hard to explain this with words sometimes. So this weird
[1:13:01] Speaker 2: thing happened. Where as I'm laying there trying to gather
[1:13:05] Speaker 2: all this information, this like picture book of images and
[1:13:11] Speaker 2: languages and words that I'm not familiar with start popping
[1:13:16] Speaker 2: off in front of Like it's like this, you know,
[1:13:18] Speaker 2: like a have you ever seen a flip book or whatever?
[1:13:21] Speaker 2: Someone will draw an image and it was like that
[1:13:24] Speaker 2: type of thing. But it was like all these things
[1:13:28] Speaker 2: that I wasn't familiar with. Symbols. I remember the DNA
[1:13:30] Speaker 2: symbol being one of them, and like light language, which
[1:13:35] Speaker 2: I've learned now is light language, but at the time
[1:13:36] Speaker 2: I didn't know what it was. And so all these
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: things are just going through my mind, like and it's
[1:13:40] Speaker 2: just like it was like a library's worth of information
[1:13:45] Speaker 2: and some sitting there and I'm like, what what is
[1:13:52] Speaker 2: going on? And so we did this weird thing. Another
[1:13:56] Speaker 2: weird thing happened. It was like I turned inside out
[1:13:59] Speaker 2: and I traveled into myself. And again I don't really
[1:14:04] Speaker 2: know how to explain this. I wish I could show
[1:14:06] Speaker 2: people what it was like. But I went into this
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: like portal, traveled through it. It came to the other side.
[1:14:15] Speaker 2: I was at this place where it was like I
[1:14:20] Speaker 2: can't get into that because this is going to take
[1:14:22] Speaker 2: forever to talk about it. But it was basically like
[1:14:23] Speaker 2: where you go when you have a near death experience
[1:14:25] Speaker 2: type thing. Oh and she was there, Yeah, and so
[1:14:29] Speaker 2: she was there. That's where we met. Like again, this
[1:14:36] Speaker 2: all sounds crazy, and I totally understand if it hadn't
[1:14:39] Speaker 2: happened to me, I would probably have a hard time
[1:14:41] Speaker 2: believing it. And so we traveled back into the physical state.
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: I sat up in my tent and she was still
[1:14:49] Speaker 2: right there, and I remember rubbing my face, being like
[1:14:52] Speaker 2: in my back and my body, like what is going on?
[1:14:54] Speaker 2: And I remember saying like can I come outside and
[1:14:56] Speaker 2: see you? And I passed out. It's like it was
[1:15:01] Speaker 2: like she put me to sleep or something, you know
[1:15:03] Speaker 2: what I mean. And then I woke up again and
[1:15:06] Speaker 2: being and then again it was just like like what
[1:15:09] Speaker 2: just happened. So when you asked earlier about like when
[1:15:14] Speaker 2: you meet one and then there's like an information type
[1:15:17] Speaker 2: thing that that's how that happened. I've met people since
[1:15:20] Speaker 2: then that have said that they've experienced similar things or
[1:15:25] Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily that exact scenario, but pieces of
[1:15:28] Speaker 2: it maybe, And so that's very reaffirming, you know, and
[1:15:33] Speaker 2: like because I will say, man, you question your sanity
[1:15:37] Speaker 2: a lot through this, right, and so hearing other people
[1:15:40] Speaker 2: experiencing this type of thing, it is very reassuring that
[1:15:46] Speaker 2: they just you just you have a bond and a
[1:15:49] Speaker 2: connection with people over this type of stuff that is
[1:15:52] Speaker 2: really hard to break. After that you have those things in.
[1:15:57] Speaker 1: Common were you able. So the way that this individual
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: looked that you had this experience with what she said
[1:16:05] Speaker 1: is vivon Vivian. Sorry did it looks? Did Vavion look
[1:16:12] Speaker 1: similar to other Sasquatch people that you had seen before? No? No,
[1:16:18] Speaker 1: totally different she is.
[1:16:23] Speaker 2: So I've heard several references to, like, you know, there's
[1:16:25] Speaker 2: different types of Sasquatch people. People like to categorize on
[1:16:29] Speaker 2: this type one to three or four or whatever, and
[1:16:32] Speaker 2: then you hear a reference to like ancient ones or
[1:16:35] Speaker 2: primal beings things like that. So what I explain her
[1:16:39] Speaker 2: is she's more of like a primal being or more
[1:16:42] Speaker 2: of what Sasquatch were before they're the modern day Sasquatch.
[1:16:46] Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes sense. It makes sense
[1:16:48] Speaker 2: kind of like the ancestors of the Sasquatch. So she
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: is an ancient primal being and she is from what again, Man,
[1:17:01] Speaker 2: that's gonna sound crazy, but she she has a very
[1:17:05] Speaker 2: angelic voice, she's very grandmotherly, and she has like this
[1:17:10] Speaker 2: head dress thing that she wears, and it's like a
[1:17:16] Speaker 2: uh I've seen it in like reference to say, like
[1:17:21] Speaker 2: fae beings in like Irish folklore and like things like
[1:17:26] Speaker 2: that it's not like it's but it's almost like it's
[1:17:29] Speaker 2: part of her. I don't really know how to explain it,
[1:17:31] Speaker 2: but it's just like this headdress she wears that is
[1:17:34] Speaker 2: like a way to address herself amongst her people. As like,
[1:17:44] Speaker 2: I don't really know how to explain that. You know,
[1:17:46] Speaker 2: does that make any sense?
[1:17:47] Speaker 1: It's like it does, yeah, yeah, man, that is that
[1:17:54] Speaker 1: is really really extremely interesting. And so then at the
[1:17:59] Speaker 1: end of that, then you passed out and went to sleep,
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: and then is this a thing that you had you
[1:18:04] Speaker 1: shared with your wife the next day what happened and
[1:18:08] Speaker 1: things like.
[1:18:08] Speaker 2: That, And she slept through the whole thing. Man, That's
[1:18:11] Speaker 2: the thing that's crazy about stuff. But we've had experience
[1:18:13] Speaker 2: before where things have happened in camp and they slept
[1:18:15] Speaker 2: through it, and I'm like, how are you guys sleeping
[1:18:17] Speaker 2: through this? So there's that weird aspect to it there too,
[1:18:20] Speaker 2: Like we had we had someone use our hatchet one
[1:18:26] Speaker 2: night at camp. I woke up to a wood knock
[1:18:29] Speaker 2: and I was like, what is that, Like, where's this going?
[1:18:32] Speaker 2: And maybe thirty seconds later a minute later, I heard
[1:18:36] Speaker 2: someone pick up our hatchet by our firewood and start
[1:18:38] Speaker 2: like pretending to chop wood with it like they were.
[1:18:42] Speaker 2: The way I envisioned it was that it was like
[1:18:45] Speaker 2: a little one who had been watching a chop wood
[1:18:47] Speaker 2: at camp all day and was like, I want to
[1:18:49] Speaker 2: try that, And so they just, you know, picked up
[1:18:51] Speaker 2: the hatchet and started chopping wood. And I was like,
[1:18:53] Speaker 2: this is awesome. Do I come out of the tent?
[1:18:56] Speaker 2: Do I just wait? And my family slept through the
[1:18:59] Speaker 2: whole thing. I don't know how you know what I
[1:19:02] Speaker 2: mean right, just things like that happened.
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: Wow, it's absolutely fascinating stuff. And I don't mean to
[1:19:10] Speaker 1: jump around either, but would you be able to share
[1:19:16] Speaker 1: I know you had mentioned that you had gone out
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: at least a time or two with with Jeff Rohn. Yeah, yeah,
[1:19:25] Speaker 1: I'm a good I'm a good friend to Jeff through
[1:19:28] Speaker 1: Sasquatch Summerfest. I think that would be fascinating to hear
[1:19:33] Speaker 1: something that happened when that both of you were in
[1:19:36] Speaker 1: this place.
[1:19:37] Speaker 2: Absolutely. So I met Jeff. We had kind of an
[1:19:41] Speaker 2: online friends before I moved out here, and then I
[1:19:44] Speaker 2: met him the first year I moved out here, and uh,
[1:19:49] Speaker 2: this was before I met Avion and everything like that.
[1:19:51] Speaker 2: So this was kind of me getting settled, and so
[1:19:54] Speaker 2: there's twenty seventeen, you know, So, I don't know if
[1:19:57] Speaker 2: you if you remember him mentioning mention ending a place
[1:20:00] Speaker 2: called Camp Broke An Arrow. Absolutely, yeah, and it's off
[1:20:03] Speaker 2: the Big Wood Highway and you know, like that that
[1:20:06] Speaker 2: whole area. And so he was like, I haven't been
[1:20:10] Speaker 2: back there in a while. Would you want to go
[1:20:11] Speaker 2: back there with me? And I was like absolutely. So
[1:20:14] Speaker 2: he and I meet up in es Decata, where he
[1:20:16] Speaker 2: was living at the time, and we we drive We
[1:20:19] Speaker 2: drive down there, and he was he told me he
[1:20:22] Speaker 2: went down there a couple of days before to try
[1:20:25] Speaker 2: and check out the road. And he was like, man,
[1:20:28] Speaker 2: there was because before the winter before I moved there,
[1:20:30] Speaker 2: there was a crazy winter. It was a ton of
[1:20:32] Speaker 2: snow and he was like, the road it's really bad,
[1:20:35] Speaker 2: like there's trees down and and stuff. And he was like,
[1:20:37] Speaker 2: we're gonna have to cut our way back. So we
[1:20:39] Speaker 2: went into it knowing we were gonna have to. I
[1:20:41] Speaker 2: brought my chainsaw, he brought you know his, And so
[1:20:43] Speaker 2: we we met up in Escada. We drove down there
[1:20:47] Speaker 2: and he said he was like, well, I went there
[1:20:49] Speaker 2: last week to go check out the road, and he
[1:20:51] Speaker 2: was like, and when I got out of my truck,
[1:20:53] Speaker 2: something ran up to the wood, like you know, in
[1:20:56] Speaker 2: the woods, and he was like, it kind of freaked
[1:20:58] Speaker 2: me out. So I just left and I was like, nah,
[1:20:59] Speaker 2: I get it, you know, like that that's spooky sometimes, you know,
[1:21:03] Speaker 2: especially when you're in the middle of nowhere. So we
[1:21:06] Speaker 2: drove back, uh, and it took us six hours that
[1:21:09] Speaker 2: day to cut our way back. I mean, it was terrible.
[1:21:12] Speaker 2: If we had known, I don't know if we had
[1:21:14] Speaker 2: we would have done it right. But at the further
[1:21:17] Speaker 2: further we went in, we were like, we don't We're
[1:21:19] Speaker 2: already invested. Let's get back there. So it took six
[1:21:22] Speaker 2: hours cut our way back. We got back to camp
[1:21:24] Speaker 2: and this is it's the end of a forest road
[1:21:26] Speaker 2: and there's and you're kind of in this and it's elevated,
[1:21:32] Speaker 2: but around you it was like this ring of ridge
[1:21:35] Speaker 2: and it kind of is like you're in the middle
[1:21:37] Speaker 2: of a bowl, but you're elevated a little bit above it.
[1:21:39] Speaker 2: It's amazing place. And they they logged it in the
[1:21:44] Speaker 2: nineties and so, but it had all grown back and
[1:21:47] Speaker 2: it's real it's cool now. But so anyways, we get back.
[1:21:49] Speaker 2: There were sweaty, tired. You know, I've got our legs
[1:21:52] Speaker 2: are all cut up and bloody. And we made our
[1:21:57] Speaker 2: made our dinner and we would sleep and uh that
[1:22:01] Speaker 2: this is the first night him and I can't. So
[1:22:05] Speaker 2: I had my We had gotten back there so late,
[1:22:08] Speaker 2: we didn't have a chance to set up tents or anything.
[1:22:09] Speaker 2: So we just slept in our rigs, right, And so
[1:22:12] Speaker 2: I had my fore runner backed into a spot. He
[1:22:14] Speaker 2: had his truck backed up, and I went to sleep.
[1:22:17] Speaker 2: I rolled my windows down when I sleep in the
[1:22:19] Speaker 2: back of my truck because I want to be able
[1:22:20] Speaker 2: to listen to everything. And I also have this weird
[1:22:22] Speaker 2: thing where if someone wants to reach in and touch me,
[1:22:24] Speaker 2: they can.
[1:22:25] Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
[1:22:27] Speaker 2: Yeah. And so as I'm laying there going to sleep,
[1:22:31] Speaker 2: I heard there's a gifting stump that we have set up.
[1:22:34] Speaker 2: I heard someone walk up the hill from the gifting
[1:22:37] Speaker 2: stump and they walked around a tree that was there,
[1:22:41] Speaker 2: and they came over to the side of my foreigner
[1:22:43] Speaker 2: that I was sleeping in, and they sat down on
[1:22:47] Speaker 2: a log right there, and I just remember thinking, holy crap,
[1:22:53] Speaker 2: like the first time I'm here, this is happening, you know,
[1:22:56] Speaker 2: And and I what's this. In a situation like that,
[1:23:00] Speaker 2: which is why you're there, the last thing you'd expect
[1:23:03] Speaker 2: to do is fall asleep instantly. Fell asleep yep, every
[1:23:07] Speaker 2: time and right, And I fell asleep and I woke
[1:23:11] Speaker 2: up at some point I don't know what, and I
[1:23:14] Speaker 2: woke up to the entire area, the air and everything
[1:23:18] Speaker 2: was just like this long, long, long like vibration like
[1:23:23] Speaker 2: remember while like like you know, it was just like
[1:23:27] Speaker 2: and I was like, what what's going on? And I
[1:23:29] Speaker 2: fell asleep again. I woke up again. I don't know
[1:23:32] Speaker 2: how much later it was still happening, and I fell
[1:23:34] Speaker 2: asleep again. And so anyways, I I got up the
[1:23:38] Speaker 2: next morning, and oh yeah, so I woke up and
[1:23:42] Speaker 2: I realized that the sun was up, and I heard
[1:23:45] Speaker 2: whoever was not up up, but it was like false
[1:23:48] Speaker 2: dawn where the sun was starting to become a little delight, right,
[1:23:51] Speaker 2: and whoever was by my forerunner was walking around the
[1:23:57] Speaker 2: tree going down the hill again. So it's like they
[1:23:59] Speaker 2: had sat next to my forerounder the entire night and
[1:24:02] Speaker 2: I didn't see them because by the time I woke
[1:24:04] Speaker 2: up and looked over, they were already around the other
[1:24:06] Speaker 2: side of the tree going down the hill. And so anyways,
[1:24:09] Speaker 2: we got up. We're sitting around the fire drink coffee,
[1:24:12] Speaker 2: and I was telling him what happened, and he was like,
[1:24:13] Speaker 2: let me tell you what happened. So I don't. He's
[1:24:16] Speaker 2: told you the story about how he was being brain scanned.
[1:24:21] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and he was there, and I believe this
[1:24:24] Speaker 2: was the time where he he had this like vision
[1:24:27] Speaker 2: while it was happening that he was being held by
[1:24:29] Speaker 2: a Sasquatch woman and she was like like rubbing his
[1:24:32] Speaker 2: head and saying like it's gonna be okay. And yeah,
[1:24:35] Speaker 2: so that was that. So while he was experiencing that,
[1:24:39] Speaker 2: I was in the car hearing this weird vibrational stuff
[1:24:41] Speaker 2: and somebody was like to me, I took it as
[1:24:44] Speaker 2: they were just keeping an eye on me, right while
[1:24:46] Speaker 2: this was happening to Jeff, That's how it fell. So
[1:24:49] Speaker 2: someone was like keeping guard. It was the first night
[1:24:54] Speaker 2: we camped together. And we've camped. We've camped a few times.
[1:25:00] Speaker 2: We camped Summerfest last year. We just camped as recent Summerfest.
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: Oh sorry, hold on real quick. Whenever the big Foot
[1:25:07] Speaker 1: Highway comes up, I always say, guys, read the book
[1:25:11] Speaker 1: by Joe Bielert. First, you don't just drive into the
[1:25:14] Speaker 1: Bigfoot Highway without extra gas, extra tires, extra everything to survive.
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: I'm dead serious. Okay, go ahead, No, it's it is
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: one of those places. It's crazy.
[1:25:23] Speaker 2: It's a dude. It is a very interesting place. Yeah,
[1:25:28] Speaker 2: and I will tell you one more story from that
[1:25:31] Speaker 2: broken airowspot. I've camped there a few times with him now,
[1:25:34] Speaker 2: and this is just to kind of explain like how
[1:25:36] Speaker 2: this place is. So I go there once another year
[1:25:39] Speaker 2: and it's me and my oldest son and Jeff, and
[1:25:42] Speaker 2: we're there the first night, just us and then some
[1:25:44] Speaker 2: other people were going to come in the next day.
[1:25:46] Speaker 2: That first night, we were in the back of our
[1:25:49] Speaker 2: foreigners again, because by this time it had overgrown enough
[1:25:52] Speaker 2: that you can't really set a tent up there, and
[1:25:53] Speaker 2: if you have a bunch of vehicles back there, you
[1:25:55] Speaker 2: have to kind of there's not enough room. So we
[1:25:58] Speaker 2: just sat up and sleep in the back of our rigs.
[1:26:01] Speaker 2: I think he had he either had his old fore
[1:26:03] Speaker 2: Runner or a Sequoia then. But so anyways, my son
[1:26:08] Speaker 2: and I are sleeping in the back of our four runners.
[1:26:09] Speaker 2: I have my windows down, and he's asleep in his
[1:26:14] Speaker 2: his rig and I wake up to at some point
[1:26:17] Speaker 2: in the night, I wake up to hearing his car
[1:26:19] Speaker 2: door closed, Jeff's cardor close, and somebody walking up the trail,
[1:26:24] Speaker 2: like up the road the trail or whatever. And my
[1:26:28] Speaker 2: first thought was, Oh, he must have to use the
[1:26:30] Speaker 2: bathroom or something. And so anyways, they go walking up
[1:26:34] Speaker 2: the trail and I'm like laying there and like, never
[1:26:36] Speaker 2: hear him come back. It was probably like fifteen minutes
[1:26:39] Speaker 2: or something, and I'm like, should I go check on him?
[1:26:41] Speaker 2: Like I wonder what he's up to, And again I
[1:26:44] Speaker 2: fall back asleep. I wake up the next morning to
[1:26:47] Speaker 2: him getting out of his car and starting to do coffee,
[1:26:49] Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, you know, he's up. So I
[1:26:51] Speaker 2: get up. I go over and I'm like like, oh, man,
[1:26:54] Speaker 2: where'd you go last night? I heard you get up,
[1:26:55] Speaker 2: you know, late, and you've gone for a while. I
[1:26:57] Speaker 2: never heard you come back. And he was like, I
[1:26:59] Speaker 2: never left my car. WHOA.
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a wild and you guys are miles
[1:27:07] Speaker 1: and miles out out there.
[1:27:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're a few miles back. And it's a place
[1:27:11] Speaker 2: too that not allowed. I mean, there's no reason for
[1:27:13] Speaker 2: people to really go back there because right right, you know.
[1:27:16] Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, dud. Wow. So so you were saying
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: in part of my interrupting, you were saying that then
[1:27:25] Speaker 1: around Sasqua Summerfest, you guys had gone out or there
[1:27:30] Speaker 1: was something that happened one of the previous years.
[1:27:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. So last year at Summerfest, it's I don't know
[1:27:41] Speaker 2: how much time we have left. Butt Like, I got it.
[1:27:45] Speaker 1: I mean, I got I got time. It's Sunday afternoon.
[1:27:47] Speaker 1: I'm just chilling out and don't worry about it. I
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: got the time, Okay.
[1:27:54] Speaker 2: I gotcha. Uh So I'll try to keep it as
[1:27:57] Speaker 2: short as possible. Sorry. Last year at Summerfest, I I Drew.
[1:28:00] Speaker 2: I spent Thursday before the Summerfest driving around all the
[1:28:03] Speaker 2: forest roads up there and exploring, like trying to find
[1:28:07] Speaker 2: cool places. I wanted to find a good place to camp, right,
[1:28:10] Speaker 2: And so I spent four or five hours that Thursday
[1:28:13] Speaker 2: driving around and dropping pinpoints on possible cool spots to camp.
[1:28:17] Speaker 2: And I found a spot. And so normally what I'll
[1:28:20] Speaker 2: do is I'll go by my feel. Right, I'll pull
[1:28:22] Speaker 2: in an area it looks like a great camp. If
[1:28:23] Speaker 2: I don't get a good feeling about it, I'm not
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: going to camp there, right, So I found this one spot.
[1:28:28] Speaker 2: It's not the biggest area, it's big enough for similar
[1:28:33] Speaker 2: or broken arrow and it's similar for like three maybe
[1:28:36] Speaker 2: four cars to park back there. And that's about it.
[1:28:39] Speaker 2: But I got back there and I just got that feeling.
[1:28:43] Speaker 2: It was like, this is a spot, and so I
[1:28:45] Speaker 2: was like cool. So I told Jeff, I was like,
[1:28:47] Speaker 2: I found our spot. There's where we're going to camp.
[1:28:50] Speaker 2: So that first night I remember it being fairly uneventful.
[1:28:54] Speaker 2: We kind of had a feeling something might be there,
[1:28:57] Speaker 2: but it was real chill, It's very relaxing place. So
[1:29:01] Speaker 2: we go to summer Fest that first day and then
[1:29:06] Speaker 2: then that night. Yeah, so that second night, i'm the
[1:29:10] Speaker 2: guys from Arizona four were there last year.
[1:29:12] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, good guys.
[1:29:13] Speaker 2: And so Wayne from Arizona four came back to camp
[1:29:16] Speaker 2: with me and Jeff that second night. And so while
[1:29:19] Speaker 2: we're sitting there back at camp, I was talking. We
[1:29:22] Speaker 2: were talking to Wayne and it's they He was talking
[1:29:26] Speaker 2: about being zapped, right, and so I was trying to
[1:29:29] Speaker 2: understand what their idea of being zapped is in comparison
[1:29:32] Speaker 2: to what I remember hearing people say. And Georgia was
[1:29:35] Speaker 2: being zapped. And in Georgia people say you get zapped,
[1:29:38] Speaker 2: you would be like incapacitated, or you weren't able to move,
[1:29:41] Speaker 2: you were kind of frozen. And I wanted to make
[1:29:46] Speaker 2: sure that I was getting their definition as zapped properly.
[1:29:49] Speaker 2: So I asked him, I said, well, this is what
[1:29:51] Speaker 2: they call it back in Georgia. Is this what you
[1:29:53] Speaker 2: guys experienced? And he was like, no, it's more of
[1:29:56] Speaker 2: like a you get like a tingling sensation down sailor
[1:30:00] Speaker 2: your arm or or it's like a it's a very
[1:30:03] Speaker 2: subtle kind of tingling you'll feel in a certain part
[1:30:06] Speaker 2: of your body. And I was like, oh, that's interesting,
[1:30:09] Speaker 2: that's cool. I think I've experienced that before. So we
[1:30:14] Speaker 2: got to sleep that night and I was laying there,
[1:30:18] Speaker 2: I woke up at some point. I don't know how
[1:30:20] Speaker 2: to explain this part, really, but I know people will
[1:30:22] Speaker 2: understand this. There's a thing that can happen sometimes when
[1:30:27] Speaker 2: they when the Sasquatch people come into camp in which
[1:30:29] Speaker 2: it almost feels like there's a vacuum and it's like
[1:30:33] Speaker 2: there's no noise, but it's like there's no air, there's
[1:30:37] Speaker 2: no anything, and it's I don't really know how to
[1:30:40] Speaker 2: explain it, but it's just like there is just like
[1:30:46] Speaker 2: beyond quiet. And I woke up to that and I
[1:30:51] Speaker 2: was like, there's somebody here and you and I heard
[1:30:54] Speaker 2: it was sounded like somebody like maybe like popping an
[1:30:56] Speaker 2: antenna on one of the cars or something. And so
[1:31:02] Speaker 2: while I'm laying there listening or just trying to see
[1:31:04] Speaker 2: if anything was going to happen, I felt like on
[1:31:07] Speaker 2: the heel of my foot near my Achilles tendant, I
[1:31:11] Speaker 2: felt this like electrical pulsation of like this like twisting
[1:31:15] Speaker 2: electrical kind of sensation of like being like a like
[1:31:20] Speaker 2: a very low amperage electrical kind of current. And it
[1:31:23] Speaker 2: was like the circular pattern the way it was moving.
[1:31:26] Speaker 2: And I didn't really and I was like, that is
[1:31:28] Speaker 2: something I've never felt before. And so the moon was
[1:31:35] Speaker 2: not full that weekend, but it was pretty two thirds ash,
[1:31:39] Speaker 2: you know, and and it was shining from behind my
[1:31:42] Speaker 2: head onto the trees that my feet were facing. And
[1:31:46] Speaker 2: so when I when I started to feel that sensation,
[1:31:48] Speaker 2: I looked. I opened my eyes to look at my feet,
[1:31:50] Speaker 2: and when I looked at my feet, I saw a
[1:31:52] Speaker 2: black shadow move just like what just like move to
[1:31:57] Speaker 2: my left to the right, and my first instinct or
[1:32:02] Speaker 2: my first like thought was like, oh, that's what zapping.
[1:32:05] Speaker 2: That's what Wayne was explaining what zapping feels like. So
[1:32:10] Speaker 2: to me, and this is just how I interpret this situation.
[1:32:14] Speaker 2: That individual was listening to us that night, because this
[1:32:16] Speaker 2: was like midnight or something that we were talking just
[1:32:18] Speaker 2: you know, just sitting out in the dark talking and
[1:32:21] Speaker 2: some things had happened. But so it felt like to
[1:32:24] Speaker 2: me somebody was listening to us while we were talking
[1:32:27] Speaker 2: about that. And then later on was like, this is
[1:32:29] Speaker 2: what he was talking about and gave me like a
[1:32:33] Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like, gave me a little sample.
[1:32:34] Speaker 1: Of what he was really one hundred percent. Yeah, that's
[1:32:37] Speaker 1: fascinating how that that comes up. That kind of thing
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: comes up a lot in these interviews, is that someone
[1:32:44] Speaker 1: will say something and then it'll be addressed in some
[1:32:49] Speaker 1: way by some interaction with the Sasquatch people later on.
[1:32:54] Speaker 1: It's just it's so wild how it works out.
[1:32:57] Speaker 2: Oh it happens a lot.
[1:32:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Oh my goodness. That that is really
[1:33:05] Speaker 1: cool to to know another I like figuring out and
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: hearing different things that happened around that festival. It's cool.
[1:33:13] Speaker 1: To hear another thing that happened, uh last year. I
[1:33:18] Speaker 1: don't know if we were able to talk. Sorry if
[1:33:20] Speaker 1: we didn't, I'm sorry. We weren't able to meet last year,
[1:33:23] Speaker 1: but we met.
[1:33:24] Speaker 2: We met briefly, but again it was very it was
[1:33:27] Speaker 2: very you know yeah.
[1:33:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, wow wow wow. So is that the
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: main the main thing you've had happened around Oakridge?
[1:33:42] Speaker 2: So that was okay? So the next night I think, okay,
[1:33:47] Speaker 2: So that happened on Friday night, because that was the
[1:33:49] Speaker 2: first night at the festival, Saturday night, non theon we
[1:33:53] Speaker 2: left the festival and just Jeff and I. Chris Kramer
[1:33:57] Speaker 2: was going to come up with us that second night,
[1:33:58] Speaker 2: I believe, but then it ended up not Worth came
[1:34:00] Speaker 2: out and he couldn't come up. So it was just
[1:34:03] Speaker 2: me and Jeff that second night, and we were sitting
[1:34:05] Speaker 2: by the Now we didn't have a fire last year,
[1:34:09] Speaker 2: so we were just sitting there talking and it was
[1:34:11] Speaker 2: getting close to you know, midnight again, and somebody threw
[1:34:14] Speaker 2: a rock and camp and it was a pretty decent
[1:34:16] Speaker 2: sized rock, say, like softball size, just got tossed right
[1:34:19] Speaker 2: behind Jeff's rig to Jeff's left, and he was like
[1:34:23] Speaker 2: do you hear that. I was like, yep, And so
[1:34:26] Speaker 2: we know that they were there listening to us. And
[1:34:28] Speaker 2: then so we decided to go to sleep. I get
[1:34:32] Speaker 2: in mind, I you know, like I get in, I
[1:34:33] Speaker 2: get laid down and settled in. And as soon as
[1:34:36] Speaker 2: I stopped moving, which seems to happen a lot, somebody
[1:34:40] Speaker 2: ran by my side of the foreignner just like like
[1:34:44] Speaker 2: super fastic, you know, and it made me like jump,
[1:34:47] Speaker 2: you know exactly, and I laughed and I was like, oh,
[1:34:51] Speaker 2: it got me. So that was that was last year.
[1:34:55] Speaker 2: And then this year I camped in the same spot
[1:34:57] Speaker 2: Thursday night. I got there by myself and camped myself there.
[1:35:01] Speaker 2: While I was sitting and this is the same area.
[1:35:04] Speaker 2: I really liked the spots, very relaxing. I was sitting
[1:35:08] Speaker 2: there that first night and somebody broke a stick right
[1:35:11] Speaker 2: down the road from us, right down the forest road.
[1:35:13] Speaker 2: And it was a very deliberate because it was like quiet,
[1:35:17] Speaker 2: like nothing, no birds know, nothing, just like a little
[1:35:20] Speaker 2: bit of a breeze occasionally through the trees, and it
[1:35:22] Speaker 2: was just like snap. And I looked over, but it
[1:35:26] Speaker 2: was dark back there, you know, and I was like,
[1:35:28] Speaker 2: what should I do? Should I go down there, you know,
[1:35:31] Speaker 2: And so I just decided to wait. I was like,
[1:35:32] Speaker 2: we'll see where this goes. And I don't remember anything
[1:35:35] Speaker 2: else happening that night. I went to sleep and it
[1:35:36] Speaker 2: was relatively quiet. The next night, I'm sitting there. Jeff
[1:35:42] Speaker 2: and our friend Greg came back with us. This time,
[1:35:45] Speaker 2: Jeff and Greg had gone to bed, and I was
[1:35:47] Speaker 2: sitting out by the fire by myself for about an hour,
[1:35:49] Speaker 2: and I was kind of, you know, just chilling, and
[1:35:52] Speaker 2: from that same spot, I heard that break, that tree
[1:35:55] Speaker 2: break or that tree branch break. I heard a woman
[1:35:58] Speaker 2: clear her throat.
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: Wow.
[1:36:01] Speaker 2: And if you look so the way the firelight was going.
[1:36:04] Speaker 2: When I looked down there, it was like that was
[1:36:07] Speaker 2: like right at the edge of it. And it was
[1:36:08] Speaker 2: pitch black back there because there was really no moon
[1:36:11] Speaker 2: this year. And I looked over there and I just
[1:36:14] Speaker 2: heard and it was just like this or like kind
[1:36:17] Speaker 2: of and and I again was like should I walk
[1:36:21] Speaker 2: down there? And I didn't. I don't know, something didn't
[1:36:25] Speaker 2: feel one hundred percent about I'm not saying it was
[1:36:27] Speaker 2: like a bad situation, but I just didn't feel like
[1:36:32] Speaker 2: I should walk down there. So I just sat there
[1:36:33] Speaker 2: and I was like i'll see what happens. But I
[1:36:37] Speaker 2: think that was another one of those nights where like
[1:36:38] Speaker 2: somebody had come into camp, but it wasn't really like crazy.
[1:36:41] Speaker 2: But Sunday morning, when I got to leave, I walked back.
[1:36:45] Speaker 2: There's a spring behind camp. I walked back to the spring,
[1:36:47] Speaker 2: or as close as I could get to it, and
[1:36:49] Speaker 2: I found a sixteen inch print back there.
[1:36:51] Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Wow.
[1:36:52] Speaker 2: Really, So Jeff and Greg got up and left early
[1:36:57] Speaker 2: because Greg had to drive back to Boise, and so
[1:37:00] Speaker 2: they left and I spent about three or four hours
[1:37:02] Speaker 2: back there by myself, and that's when I found that track,
[1:37:04] Speaker 2: And so it kind of I've had things like that
[1:37:08] Speaker 2: happened before, where it's like an affirmation or like we
[1:37:13] Speaker 2: were here, you know what I mean, They'll like leave
[1:37:15] Speaker 2: something to let you know that they.
[1:37:16] Speaker 1: Were there one hundred percent. I mean, man, the stuff
[1:37:20] Speaker 1: I've experienced an Oakridge over Let's see, it's only been
[1:37:26] Speaker 1: two years because I missed this year. I mean, not
[1:37:30] Speaker 1: being able to move from a nylon chair, I was
[1:37:33] Speaker 1: sitting in sixteen inch tracks. Wood knocks in response to
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: asking if you can make a noise out loud? The
[1:37:44] Speaker 1: weird one was down by Hills Creek Reservoir. Seeing silhouette
[1:37:48] Speaker 1: of a sasquatch go into a fine covered pine tree
[1:37:52] Speaker 1: on the side of the road. That was That was
[1:37:54] Speaker 1: that weirded me out big time. Hills Creek is weird, dude.
[1:37:59] Speaker 1: It's a fun place. But my goodness, Sam, your your
[1:38:04] Speaker 1: journey is incredible. I mean, what is the incredible road
[1:38:09] Speaker 1: that you've gone through from Canada to Georgia to Oregon.
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: And I know it's if you wrote a book, it
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: would be the most incredible book because it would just
[1:38:24] Speaker 1: have so so much in it. But uh, do you
[1:38:29] Speaker 1: have maybe to ask you another one more question? Do
[1:38:33] Speaker 1: you have a goal through through all your interactions with
[1:38:36] Speaker 1: the Sasquatch people?
[1:38:41] Speaker 2: A goal? I just really love experiencing these things. Yeah,
[1:38:46] Speaker 2: It's just it's shaped me into such a different person
[1:38:49] Speaker 2: than when I started this journey. It. I grew up
[1:38:52] Speaker 2: in an urban city environment, you know, I'm watching the
[1:38:55] Speaker 2: DC area, and it's changed me into like a highly
[1:39:00] Speaker 2: spirtual I mean basically a hippie, you know what I mean.
[1:39:03] Speaker 2: Like I it's completely if twenty year old Sam met me,
[1:39:08] Speaker 2: I would twenty year old Sam would fight me, you
[1:39:10] Speaker 2: know what I mean. It was just like, like, how
[1:39:12] Speaker 2: much I've changed and I owe it to everything that
[1:39:16] Speaker 2: they've shared with me over the years, and I've paradigm
[1:39:22] Speaker 2: shift after paradigm shift has just been shattered, you know,
[1:39:25] Speaker 2: and I met such this is probably the other than that.
[1:39:28] Speaker 2: The best part of it is the people that I've
[1:39:30] Speaker 2: met during this absolute sol of the earth, best people
[1:39:34] Speaker 2: I've ever met.
[1:39:34] Speaker 1: One hundred percents. Yeah, I would say I agree right
[1:39:40] Speaker 1: with you. The best part of doing this podcast for
[1:39:44] Speaker 1: years has been the relationships and the people that you
[1:39:48] Speaker 1: meet along the way. It sounds it sounds like something
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: you hear a lot, but it really is truthful. In
[1:39:54] Speaker 1: this community, you can find some incredible people that will
[1:39:57] Speaker 1: change your life. But Sam, thank you so much for
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: spending some time with your uh with your story today,
[1:40:04] Speaker 1: sharing your story, and I'm sure people were able to
[1:40:08] Speaker 1: to meet a lot or were able to learn a
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: lot from it. I hope that they they where I
[1:40:14] Speaker 1: know I'll be listening to this one again. Is it
[1:40:20] Speaker 1: sounds like you are a guy who prefers to be
[1:40:24] Speaker 1: in the background or do you have anything people can
[1:40:28] Speaker 1: follow your your journeys through, like any YouTube channel or
[1:40:33] Speaker 1: anything like that.
[1:40:35] Speaker 2: I do have a YouTube channel. I'm getting better at it.
[1:40:39] Speaker 2: I did. I did speak at a conference once and
[1:40:42] Speaker 2: I I feel like I watched it, you know, I
[1:40:44] Speaker 2: heard people say that it was fine, but I'm very Uh,
[1:40:48] Speaker 2: this is such an important topic to me. I want
[1:40:50] Speaker 2: to be precise on my messaging. So I'm still working
[1:40:54] Speaker 2: through learning how to become a better speaker and things
[1:40:56] Speaker 2: like that. So I do have a YouTube page. You
[1:41:00] Speaker 2: can find that if you look up San Chandler one
[1:41:02] Speaker 2: zero eight. That is just kind of I used to
[1:41:07] Speaker 2: do a show with Arla back in the day, and
[1:41:09] Speaker 2: there's some of our episodes on that I and then
[1:41:12] Speaker 2: I I've made videos of some of my adventures or whatever,
[1:41:17] Speaker 2: you know, like excursions into the forest, and I kind
[1:41:19] Speaker 2: of share some areas. So some of the stories I've
[1:41:22] Speaker 2: talked about, I actually have videos of me sharing some
[1:41:24] Speaker 2: of those stories in my YouTube. I also started recently
[1:41:30] Speaker 2: a encryptid research group. It's called Lare Again l O
[1:41:35] Speaker 2: R E g O N. And so I'm good friends
[1:41:40] Speaker 2: with Brandy Sylvie. He does been BIT for research group
[1:41:44] Speaker 2: and he likes to mainly work with like the the
[1:41:47] Speaker 2: Sasquatch people and the BIT for people. But I know
[1:41:49] Speaker 2: that there's a lot of other things out there in
[1:41:51] Speaker 2: the woods that people have experiences with. So I started
[1:41:54] Speaker 2: this as kind of like a side thing to get
[1:41:57] Speaker 2: people to share their experiences with the weird things that
[1:42:00] Speaker 2: happen or the other beings and entities that they've seen.
[1:42:04] Speaker 2: So I do have a Facebook page on that that's
[1:42:07] Speaker 2: kind of up and coming, so I'm getting, you know,
[1:42:10] Speaker 2: slow roll out on that one, but so yeah, that's
[1:42:13] Speaker 2: that's probably the best way to check me out. And yeah, yeah,
[1:42:19] Speaker 2: thanks for having me man.
[1:42:20] Speaker 1: This has been great, absolutely, So I will have a
[1:42:24] Speaker 1: YouTube and Facebook group link in the show notes or
[1:42:28] Speaker 1: descriptions so listeners can check that out. But thank you
[1:42:31] Speaker 1: again for being on the show. Sam. We will definitely
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: stay in touch and hopefully we'll be able to talk
[1:42:37] Speaker 1: more next year out Nokridge.
[1:42:40] Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
[1:42:42] Speaker 1: Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something
[1:42:44] Speaker 1: directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're
[1:42:47] Speaker 1: in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've
[1:42:51] Speaker 1: seen something that no one can explain, or if you're
[1:42:54] Speaker 1: a National Park ranger or forestreet worker who's been told
[1:42:57] Speaker 1: to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something
[1:43:01] Speaker 1: strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI,
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon
[1:43:08] Speaker 1: something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're
[1:43:11] Speaker 1: a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard
[1:43:14] Speaker 1: screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're
[1:43:18] Speaker 1: in the logging industry on a remote oil field or
[1:43:22] Speaker 1: a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen
[1:43:26] Speaker 1: that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist,
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who
[1:43:33] Speaker 1: has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're
[1:43:36] Speaker 1: a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat
[1:43:40] Speaker 1: and you saw something that shook your faith, or if
[1:43:43] Speaker 1: you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or anything with
[1:43:46] Speaker 1: clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I
[1:43:51] Speaker 1: want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous. You
[1:43:56] Speaker 1: can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
[1:44:00] Speaker 1: The world needs to hear what you've been forced to
[1:44:02] Speaker 1: carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,
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