# Sasquatch Encounters Transform Witness at Packwood Lake, Washington

An episode of [Bigfoot Society](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1453429066), 14 Jul 2026, 1 h 26 min.

Audio: https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/pdrl.fm/3e8f48/api.spreaker.com/download/episode/72894545/bfs_1153_matthew_pnw_final.mp3

For more than 40 years, Matthew has experienced unexplained encounters across some of the most active Bigfoot country in North America. His journey begins during a childhood hunting trip in Oregon's Starkey Unit before leading to unforgettable experiences at Packwood Lake, Washington, where he describes hearing a mysterious message in his mind, discovering unusual footprints, witnessing unexplained activity around the lake, and feeling an unseen presence in the forest. As the years continued, the encounters spread throughout Washington and Idaho. Matthew shares accounts of strange vocalizations, crying babies deep in remote timber, glowing lights moving through the wilderness, recurring dreams, game camera images near Mount St. Helens, and a recent expedition that produced recorded vocalizations and a 15-inch footprint cast. Throughout this conversation, Jeremiah Byron and Matthew explore the patterns connecting these experiences, the role of intention in the field, and the questions that continue to shape Matthew's understanding of the Sasquatch phenomenon. Locations featured in this episode include: • Starkey Unit, Oregon • Packwood Lake, Washington • Susan Creek and Yacolt, Washington • Sunset Falls and Yacolt Mountain, Washington • Neal Canyon near Ketchum, Idaho • Mount St. Helens, Washington • Mazamitla, Jalisco, Mexico Whether you've spent years researching Bigfoot or you're hearing eyewitness testimony for the first time, this episode offers a fascinating journey through decades of firsthand experiences across the Pacific Northwest and beyond. 📖 Follow Jeremiah's cancer health updates here: https://www.caringbridge.org/site/569ef3d3-68be-11f1-8790-97fdfd2bbc64 🗣️ Share Your Story Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience? Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show! 🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube 🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube 💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts! 📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed) 👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share 🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist 🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters 💥 Support the Show & Get Perks ✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member ✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here 📱 Let’s Connect • Instagram: @bigfootsociety • Twitter: @bigfoot_society • TikTok: @bigfoot.society 🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links) These help support the show at no extra cost to you: • Beam (Better Sleep): Try Beam • Wildgrain (Better Bread): Join Here • Seed (Probiotics): Get Seed • Medi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More • LMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNT • Organic and non-GMO groceries delivered for less http://thrv.me/uarEhS 🎙️ Podcasting Tools: • Repurpose.io: Try It • Descript: Sign Up • Streamyard: Start Recording • Riverside.fm: Try Riverside 🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon ☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here 🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy 📬 Mailing Address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: You're listening to Big the Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
[0:03] Speaker 1: In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
[0:05] Speaker 1: bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
[0:08] Speaker 1: seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
[0:12] Speaker 1: to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
[0:16] Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
[0:20] Speaker 2: These are the.
[0:21] Speaker 1: Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,
[0:24] Speaker 1: because today you'll hear another account that just might change
[0:28] Speaker 1: the way you see the woods forever.
[0:30] Speaker 2: So stay with us.
[0:31] Speaker 1: Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his
[0:34] Speaker 1: fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey,
[0:38] Speaker 1: please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes.
[0:42] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[0:43] Speaker 1: All right, Big the Society've got the privilege of talking
[0:45] Speaker 1: to Matthew today. Matthew's got some extremely interesting things that
[0:49] Speaker 1: have happened over the years out there in the Pacific Northwest,
[0:52] Speaker 1: and so we're going to be talking about that today.
[0:55] Speaker 1: This will be one of the episodes. We'll be chatting
[0:58] Speaker 1: back and forth. I always check uh with the individual
[1:02] Speaker 1: to see what they would be more comfortable with and
[1:04] Speaker 1: that came up, So we will definitely be doing that
[1:07] Speaker 1: and that'll that'll make for a fun time. So Matthew,
[1:09] Speaker 1: welcome to the show. How are you doing today, sir?
[1:11] Speaker 3: I'm good at Thank you everyone.
[1:14] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[1:15] Speaker 1: You want to make sure you know if you're you
[1:17] Speaker 1: head on over to the YouTube side. If you're not
[1:20] Speaker 1: over there, you'll see a nice background. Matthew's got some
[1:22] Speaker 1: plants you. I know, he's got a few fish back there.
[1:26] Speaker 1: You probably want to see those, but the plants are nice.
[1:29] Speaker 1: But Matthew, so man, I know we've got a lot
[1:33] Speaker 1: to go into. But let's start back at the beginning. So,
[1:36] Speaker 1: was bigfoot a thing where you grew up with it
[1:40] Speaker 1: or was there an experience that kicked things off for
[1:42] Speaker 1: you and you're like, wow, what is going on in
[1:44] Speaker 1: the woods out here?
[1:46] Speaker 3: So the So, the first time, first time I ever
[1:50] Speaker 3: had any type of like recollection of bigfoot sasquatch, what
[1:55] Speaker 3: do you want to call it, was actually at hunting
[1:57] Speaker 3: camp when I was like in third grade and that
[1:59] Speaker 3: that was in this archy unit in Oregon and my
[2:02] Speaker 3: and I and I totally talked to my brother about
[2:04] Speaker 3: this recently in October, and I remember my dad and
[2:07] Speaker 3: my grandfather arguing and my dad saying something about red eyes,
[2:12] Speaker 3: and my grandfather looking at me and saying, well, grizzly
[2:15] Speaker 3: bearries have red eyes, and then his wife at the time,
[2:17] Speaker 3: my dad's wife at the time, looking at us and saying,
[2:21] Speaker 3: they're just talking about grizzly bears. And then the crazy
[2:23] Speaker 3: part is this is that trip, we had killed a
[2:26] Speaker 3: bunch of deer. I didn't, but my family did, and
[2:28] Speaker 3: we had hung them and bagged him and everything. And
[2:30] Speaker 3: I remember the middle of the night us turning on
[2:33] Speaker 3: the lights of our truck on the deer and I
[2:35] Speaker 3: don't and that's all that I really remember. And then
[2:37] Speaker 3: I've actually asked my dad about that, and because my
[2:39] Speaker 3: dad's had stuff happened, and he just he doesn't really
[2:42] Speaker 3: talk much about it, but he was he was kind
[2:44] Speaker 3: of like, yeah, we were arguing about that. Now that
[2:46] Speaker 3: I'm older, we're we're a little more open about it.
[2:49] Speaker 3: That was like the first time ever that I'd ever
[2:52] Speaker 3: remember anything. And then it and then it kind of
[2:56] Speaker 3: and then you know, lfe goes on and you grow,
[2:57] Speaker 3: and then and then the Packwood Lake incident starts that
[3:01] Speaker 3: that we're originally that I originally reached out to you
[3:03] Speaker 3: about and then and then honestly ever since that, like, man,
[3:09] Speaker 3: not every time, but you hear people say stuff like
[3:12] Speaker 3: you get tagged or marked or whatever it is. But
[3:15] Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, man, Like the last like gosh,
[3:19] Speaker 3: four or five times I've been in the woods, stuff's
[3:21] Speaker 3: happened in different parts of the world, which which is
[3:24] Speaker 3: crazy to me. And now and now to the point
[3:26] Speaker 3: where I'm starting to think that, Okay, maybe it's maybe
[3:30] Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, right tagged. I think
[3:32] Speaker 3: it's more of just like frequencies and energy and things.
[3:36] Speaker 3: And I think that they can recognize that in certain people,
[3:38] Speaker 3: is my personal opinion. And I think that I think
[3:41] Speaker 3: that they just kind of see that you're more open
[3:43] Speaker 3: at things, is what it was what I it's what
[3:45] Speaker 3: I think is really going. But anyway, that's another conversation.
[3:47] Speaker 3: So yeah, that was that was a long long time ago.
[3:49] Speaker 3: That's I mean, that was the first time that ever.
[3:52] Speaker 3: And then the crazy part is this is that my
[3:54] Speaker 3: whole childhood there was always like we didn't have internet,
[3:57] Speaker 3: so we had like a hallway with a with like
[3:58] Speaker 3: a library like shell with books, right, and and my
[4:02] Speaker 3: dad always had just books about bigfoot and things like that,
[4:07] Speaker 3: And it wasn't called sasquatch back then. It was always bigfoot,
[4:10] Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Because it was so way
[4:12] Speaker 3: back in the day, I'd never even heard the term sasquatch.
[4:15] Speaker 3: And that's something I actually want to talk about with
[4:17] Speaker 3: the Packwood Lake incident. Oh yeah, because because of the
[4:20] Speaker 3: stuff that happened. It was so when I was in
[4:23] Speaker 3: Packwood Lake. Do you want me just to kind of get.
[4:24] Speaker 1: Into that before before we do? I just want to
[4:28] Speaker 1: And this is more because I'm curious. So when you
[4:31] Speaker 1: say Starky Unit, are you saying Starky by Yu Kaya?
[4:36] Speaker 3: I don't. I've never heard of you Kaya. I know.
[4:37] Speaker 3: We used to drive through Peddleton. We used to drive
[4:40] Speaker 3: through Peddleton, go into Oregon and then head up into
[4:43] Speaker 3: the unit called Starky Unit. And there's a place called
[4:46] Speaker 3: Fly Creek in that in that area and that was
[4:49] Speaker 3: an that was an area that that that's when that happened,
[4:52] Speaker 3: and we used to hunt there every year. Crazy Part
[4:54] Speaker 3: two is this is that my dad stopped hunting like
[4:56] Speaker 3: he like he totally like there was like we went
[4:59] Speaker 3: back like two more times and then that was it.
[5:02] Speaker 3: He totally stopped hunting and his whole life like it
[5:06] Speaker 3: was all we that's all we used to do was
[5:07] Speaker 3: go to honey camp. Like that's how it was rased.
[5:09] Speaker 3: It's crazy and and he but he won't but he
[5:13] Speaker 3: won't like really say, that's why you know what I mean?
[5:17] Speaker 1: Absolutely, So, yeah, looking at the map, it is over there,
[5:22] Speaker 1: it's it's a little east of yu Kaya And then
[5:24] Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, dude, there I've talked to some other
[5:26] Speaker 1: people around that area too. There's there's bigfoot stuff that
[5:30] Speaker 1: happens for for sure.
[5:31] Speaker 2: What year was that again?
[5:32] Speaker 3: Gosh, that was that must have been that was like
[5:36] Speaker 3: the gosh, I was how old are you in third grade?
[5:39] Speaker 3: How old are you in third grade? What?
[5:41] Speaker 2: He right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
[5:45] Speaker 3: That so that was in the eight early eighties.
[5:48] Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so we're similar asias.
[5:50] Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I'm I'll be forty eight this year. So
[5:52] Speaker 3: that was so that was south So that was probably
[5:56] Speaker 3: so I was born in seventy eight, So that was
[5:58] Speaker 3: probably eighty seven, maybe eighty eighty six to eighty eight,
[6:03] Speaker 3: somewhere in there. Somewhere in there. Whenever you have rold
[6:07] Speaker 3: you're in third grade. I didn't really figured out the date.
[6:10] Speaker 3: On that. So then.
[6:15] Speaker 2: That experience did it?
[6:19] Speaker 1: Did it affect you pretty intensely or is it you
[6:23] Speaker 1: mentioned and I know a little bit about there's packwood
[6:26] Speaker 1: like coming. Is that Is it a later experience that
[6:29] Speaker 1: really has set things off?
[6:32] Speaker 2: Would you say?
[6:32] Speaker 3: So? I didn't even sort of be honest with you
[6:35] Speaker 3: up until up until after Idaho when I kind of
[6:38] Speaker 3: told you that I had blacked out and everything, which
[6:40] Speaker 3: we'll talk about, I didn't really even understand anything, like
[6:46] Speaker 3: I I never really even like it didn't it didn't
[6:50] Speaker 3: really I was. I just it just wasn't a reality,
[6:53] Speaker 3: Like it wasn't like I didn't No, not at all,
[6:56] Speaker 3: not in a way that I would be able to.
[6:58] Speaker 3: Like I am now older and so I understand what's
[7:00] Speaker 3: really going on, and I've had different experiences. No, not
[7:03] Speaker 3: at all, Like didn't affect me in anyway. Still raising
[7:06] Speaker 3: the woods, still hunted, still fish did all that stuff,
[7:09] Speaker 3: and it never I'd never even thought about it. I
[7:11] Speaker 3: even went like when.
[7:12] Speaker 4: I was in middle school, we would go to chief
[7:13] Speaker 4: Fuluska back in the day, and we would go to
[7:16] Speaker 4: the as a school function, and he would do like
[7:18] Speaker 4: the Wild Woman or the Woods Dance and all that
[7:20] Speaker 4: kind of stuff, and they would take the they would
[7:22] Speaker 4: take the kids and put them in the basket and
[7:24] Speaker 4: all that stuff.
[7:25] Speaker 3: And I didn't even really understand then what was really
[7:27] Speaker 3: going on. Now now I totally understand what's going on
[7:31] Speaker 3: because I know that they're real and I know there's
[7:34] Speaker 3: a bunch of crazy stuff going on with them. That's
[7:36] Speaker 3: not what some people think they are, right. So, no,
[7:40] Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't really honestly, kind of it didn't
[7:44] Speaker 3: come too until later in life when I when I
[7:46] Speaker 3: was I started like crypto PTSD, when podcasts first started
[7:51] Speaker 3: in YouTube and things, I ran into like crypto PTSD,
[7:54] Speaker 3: and then I was like hearing these stories and I
[7:56] Speaker 3: was like, man, I've had all that stuff happen to me,
[7:59] Speaker 3: Like holy crap. And I and then I kind of
[8:02] Speaker 3: like was putting two to two together and I was like,
[8:05] Speaker 3: holy crap, like this and it was explaining everything that
[8:08] Speaker 3: had been happening to me. And I didn't really put
[8:11] Speaker 3: it together until I was.
[8:12] Speaker 1: Older, to be honest with you, Okay, okay, yeah, very interesting.
[8:16] Speaker 1: So would would Pack would be the next logical stop
[8:20] Speaker 1: to go to on things that you've experienced?
[8:23] Speaker 3: Yeah? So Packwood Lake. So back in the day Packwood Lake,
[8:26] Speaker 3: and that was in we would hike into Packwood Lake
[8:29] Speaker 3: Memorial Day on my buddy's birthday. And the first time
[8:32] Speaker 3: we did that, we backpacked in. And that was in
[8:34] Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three, before we had driver's licenses and we
[8:37] Speaker 3: were into We just got it to float to being
[8:39] Speaker 3: we were big fly fishermen back in the day, and
[8:41] Speaker 3: so we and back then pack with lake like there
[8:45] Speaker 3: was no one there, like you would hike in. It's
[8:46] Speaker 3: like a five mile hike. There's a little cabin on
[8:48] Speaker 3: the fro side of the lake, and then we would
[8:50] Speaker 3: hike around the backside to where the creek would run
[8:53] Speaker 3: in that runs off with like the Goat Rocks and
[8:55] Speaker 3: Johnson Peak and everything right there. And there's a beautiful
[8:58] Speaker 3: campsite right there where the creek fed end of the
[9:01] Speaker 3: lake and we would camp there. And so the first time,
[9:04] Speaker 3: the first time we backpacked in there was for my
[9:06] Speaker 3: buddy's birthday with his dad. And so I was I
[9:09] Speaker 3: packed in a float tube and we're talking like old
[9:11] Speaker 3: school metal frame right like it was, And now that
[9:15] Speaker 3: I'm older, it's like, wow, I had cad good. It
[9:17] Speaker 3: was super heavy. But so here's the crazy part. So
[9:19] Speaker 3: we hike in and this is what happened, and I'm
[9:21] Speaker 3: just going to dive into it, okay, because I only
[9:23] Speaker 3: talked with one other person about this incident. I didn't
[9:26] Speaker 3: talk about this on the last last time I did
[9:29] Speaker 3: something like this, and I really don't talk about this
[9:31] Speaker 3: because it's just kind of crazy, right, But then I
[9:34] Speaker 3: had something else happened later in life and made you
[9:36] Speaker 3: realize that it's real. So as soon as we hit
[9:39] Speaker 3: the cabin on pack With Lake, there's a like a
[9:43] Speaker 3: ranger cabin, I guess or whatever it is, right, I
[9:45] Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever been there or not. Now
[9:47] Speaker 3: apparently I guess. There's people all over the place there.
[9:49] Speaker 3: But you hit the ranger cabin, then do you take
[9:52] Speaker 3: a break because it's about a five mile hike, and
[9:53] Speaker 3: then you start to loop around the left side of
[9:55] Speaker 3: the lake. And so when we started a loop around
[9:58] Speaker 3: the left side of the lake, my buddies was first,
[10:01] Speaker 3: my buddy was next, And there's an island in Packwood
[10:03] Speaker 3: Lak and so and I remember starting putting on my
[10:06] Speaker 3: backpack and starting to walk around the left side of
[10:08] Speaker 3: the lake, and I was looking at the island and
[10:10] Speaker 3: so here's the crazy part. And this is the part
[10:12] Speaker 3: where I wonder sometimes what it really is because of
[10:15] Speaker 3: what was what happened something and it was literally a boy.
[10:21] Speaker 3: So that's where that's where the bigfoot sleep And and
[10:25] Speaker 3: when I was looking at the island and I was,
[10:26] Speaker 3: it kind of caught me off guard and I was like, well,
[10:28] Speaker 3: I didn't really didn't really put two and two together, right,
[10:33] Speaker 3: So I so I I wanted to catch up with
[10:35] Speaker 3: my buddy and his dad, so I you know, and
[10:36] Speaker 3: I'm that got the head of his pack, so I'm
[10:38] Speaker 3: lagging behind, so I'm trying to catch up with them.
[10:41] Speaker 3: And I didn't really I didn't really understand what it was.
[10:44] Speaker 3: People call it mind speak. To me, it's telepathy because
[10:47] Speaker 3: I've had it happened with a person, not like a
[10:51] Speaker 3: real life person before one other time later in life.
[10:54] Speaker 3: And that's when I kind of recognized what was going
[10:57] Speaker 3: on in the pack would because I had to happen
[10:58] Speaker 3: with an actual human. So and that's what I was like,
[11:02] Speaker 3: is this would happened in Packwood, right. So then that
[11:05] Speaker 3: that trip and here's the crazy part. So that trip
[11:08] Speaker 3: we hiped in, spent the night. The next morning, I
[11:11] Speaker 3: woke up and I pumped up my float to got
[11:13] Speaker 3: the water right, and it was super early, and I
[11:15] Speaker 3: went on and on. I don't know about now. Back
[11:18] Speaker 3: in the day, you could only take the trail around
[11:21] Speaker 3: to where the creek fed into the lake and then
[11:23] Speaker 3: head up towards Johnson Peak and everything. And we would
[11:26] Speaker 3: hike Johnson Peak and snow grass Flats every summer in
[11:29] Speaker 3: August and do that too, come back around. And that's
[11:32] Speaker 3: another conversation. Never had anything happen up there, only packwood.
[11:35] Speaker 3: But there wasn't a trail that went around the other
[11:37] Speaker 3: side of the lake. It was only like up to
[11:39] Speaker 3: that and then up to the goat rocks. Right. So
[11:42] Speaker 3: I get in my float to and I'm paddling right
[11:45] Speaker 3: and I'm going around that side of the lake and
[11:47] Speaker 3: I'm dragging woollibogers and I'm catching trout. And when I
[11:50] Speaker 3: reached that side of the lake, a tree I thought
[11:53] Speaker 3: a tree fell. Now, when I'm older, I understand that
[11:56] Speaker 3: that's not really a thing. Like in all the years
[11:59] Speaker 3: I've spent the woods after that, I've never heard or
[12:02] Speaker 3: seen a tree fall or anything. And it was big.
[12:04] Speaker 3: So and the crazy part is, so this thing well,
[12:07] Speaker 3: and now I think it got pushed over, right, and
[12:09] Speaker 3: it kind of it kind of scared me a little bit,
[12:11] Speaker 3: and I remember like having the feeling of like, holy crap,
[12:14] Speaker 3: that's that's really weird, right, and so I kind of
[12:16] Speaker 3: started paddling away. And you got these like fins on
[12:19] Speaker 3: right up, caver did float to you got these things.
[12:22] Speaker 3: You can't move that fast, right right, try to like
[12:26] Speaker 3: get away. And I tried to head towards the other
[12:28] Speaker 3: side of the other side of the lake where our
[12:30] Speaker 3: camp is, and and so, and then all of a
[12:32] Speaker 3: sudden there was a couple of loons. And now I
[12:35] Speaker 3: don't think there were louts, so there was. There was
[12:37] Speaker 3: these loons that kept going back and forth, which I
[12:40] Speaker 3: thought of the time wore loons making noise, but I
[12:42] Speaker 3: couldn't there was no loots, right, you couldn't see it.
[12:46] Speaker 3: So and and now that I'm older, I honestly think
[12:49] Speaker 3: what was going on because I had another pack with
[12:51] Speaker 3: lake experience with eleven other people where we saw PRINTZ
[12:54] Speaker 3: a few years later, so coming coming out of that
[12:58] Speaker 3: creek bed going into the lake, and I could talk
[13:00] Speaker 3: about that too, And so now I think what was
[13:02] Speaker 3: really going on is I think whatever said that to
[13:06] Speaker 3: me and I'm kind of on the fence of it
[13:09] Speaker 3: that's really bigfoot, sasquatch, or something else, because to me,
[13:12] Speaker 3: it seems like every time you hear mind speak, or
[13:14] Speaker 3: not every time, but a lot of the times, it's
[13:16] Speaker 3: always in some type of third person. It's not like
[13:19] Speaker 3: it's like, it didn't say that's where we sleep, right,
[13:23] Speaker 3: it said that's where the bigfoot sleep. So and it
[13:26] Speaker 3: didn't use the word sasquatch either, And at the time,
[13:28] Speaker 3: the only thing that I knew of was bigfoot. I'd
[13:31] Speaker 3: never even heard the term sasquatch. So that so there's
[13:34] Speaker 3: some interesting things that happened. Now that I'm older and
[13:37] Speaker 3: I kind of look at everything because of all the
[13:38] Speaker 3: other experiences I've had, and I'm kind of like, okay,
[13:41] Speaker 3: and it's weird to me that it wasn't that's where
[13:43] Speaker 3: we sleep, or you know what I mean. So I
[13:46] Speaker 3: wonder sometimes when people talk about mind speaker telepathy of
[13:50] Speaker 3: is it really them or is it something else? Is
[13:53] Speaker 3: there something else going on? And that's a totally different conversation.
[13:56] Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's such an interesting conversation and too
[14:01] Speaker 1: so to ask you specifically about Uh So, you heard
[14:06] Speaker 1: some say that's where the bigfoot sleep on the island.
[14:12] Speaker 1: Because I've I've experienced this as well, and it's always
[14:15] Speaker 1: weird to think about. But did you Some people say, well,
[14:20] Speaker 1: it sounded inside my head. Some people are like, it
[14:23] Speaker 1: sounded like I heard an actual voice, Like it was
[14:27] Speaker 1: a voice I had.
[14:28] Speaker 3: It was, it was a voice inside my head, and
[14:30] Speaker 3: it was on the right side of my head, the
[14:31] Speaker 3: same the same side of my head as when the
[14:33] Speaker 3: woman when when the when the woman did that? And
[14:36] Speaker 3: the and the crazy part about the woman is that
[14:39] Speaker 3: I actually connected with her after the fact, like a
[14:41] Speaker 3: year later, and she admitted it that she and there
[14:44] Speaker 3: was a bunch of crazy stuff with that, and and
[14:47] Speaker 3: she's the only person I've ever met that I would
[14:50] Speaker 3: say has the ability with telebaty like, oh, so.
[14:53] Speaker 2: She admitted to talking to you.
[14:56] Speaker 3: It took me. It took me. It took me a
[14:58] Speaker 3: really long time to get her to to open up
[15:01] Speaker 3: about it because it was a crazy like it it's
[15:05] Speaker 3: a crazy scenario. And she's had something happen where she
[15:09] Speaker 3: knew I was into sasquatch. She knew that I was
[15:12] Speaker 3: open to things, and she was working for me, and
[15:15] Speaker 3: she came in in the middle of a morning meeting.
[15:17] Speaker 3: I used to run a huge sales room and she
[15:20] Speaker 3: had left and she she was like it almost looked
[15:22] Speaker 3: like she was strung out when she came in, like
[15:24] Speaker 3: she was shaken and scared and she had something happen.
[15:28] Speaker 3: And before that, she had asked me about sasquatch and
[15:31] Speaker 3: she said, do they speak to you? And I'm like,
[15:34] Speaker 3: and I didn't know how to respond to that. Now
[15:36] Speaker 3: I understand why she was saying that, because she has
[15:38] Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff going on, and she when she left,
[15:41] Speaker 3: I told her to do whatever she needed to help
[15:43] Speaker 3: her something. She left, she walked down the hall. I
[15:45] Speaker 3: came out of my secretary's office and something in my
[15:48] Speaker 3: head and a woman's voice had helped me. And I
[15:51] Speaker 3: totally stopped in the hallway and thought I thought I
[15:53] Speaker 3: was going crazy, Like literally stopped and was like, what
[15:57] Speaker 3: was going on? I literally thought I was going crazy,
[15:59] Speaker 3: and I kind of looked back at my secretary. She
[16:01] Speaker 3: looked at me with this weird look. I didn't say anything.
[16:04] Speaker 3: I just went back to work. And then like a
[16:06] Speaker 3: year later and I and she didn't work for me.
[16:07] Speaker 3: After that, she totally left. And then I reached out
[16:10] Speaker 3: to her and kind of told her what was going
[16:13] Speaker 3: on and told her a little bit more in depth
[16:15] Speaker 3: about my life and things like that. And then and
[16:18] Speaker 3: then she kind of opened up a little bit and
[16:20] Speaker 3: and things like that. And that's so yeah. So, I
[16:22] Speaker 3: mean it's that with these real authority been proven. Uh.
[16:24] Speaker 3: But so. And that's why sometimes I wonder if it's
[16:27] Speaker 3: really sasquatch i'd speaking to people, or or if it's
[16:30] Speaker 3: something else, because I just not at all. But I
[16:33] Speaker 3: hear a lot of people use it in like a
[16:35] Speaker 3: third third party right, Like it doesn't seem like a
[16:40] Speaker 3: lot of them are first person. And it's an interesting
[16:42] Speaker 3: and the right side of the brand. It's an interesting pattern,
[16:44] Speaker 3: is all I'm saying. I have no.
[16:45] Speaker 2: Clue that really is the one.
[16:48] Speaker 1: Let's see the so I experienced that I think I
[16:53] Speaker 1: just maybe brought up a few times.
[16:55] Speaker 2: It was actually before. It's really weird when you think
[16:59] Speaker 2: about it. Was I was in Tennessee.
[17:01] Speaker 1: This is a few months ago, was taking a nap
[17:04] Speaker 1: in a cabin where people get chased out of the
[17:08] Speaker 1: cabin on this area, like it's very active, and so
[17:13] Speaker 1: I'm taking a nap, trying to take a nap, and
[17:15] Speaker 1: it's in, like you're just dozing off, So.
[17:18] Speaker 2: You're in that area, yeah right, and I hear something in.
[17:22] Speaker 1: My ears say say gotcha? And I was like, oh
[17:26] Speaker 1: my goodness. Like I got out of that cabin and
[17:28] Speaker 1: I went back to the other people. And then when
[17:30] Speaker 1: I got back home, that's when all the cancer stuff
[17:34] Speaker 1: started kicking off, which is, you know, maybe just a coincidence,
[17:37] Speaker 1: but it's it's it's weird.
[17:39] Speaker 2: So so, how.
[17:40] Speaker 1: Did you experienced this this really interesting stuff at Packwood Lake,
[17:46] Speaker 1: which that area Packwood, Washington is so so incredibly active.
[17:50] Speaker 1: There's so many accounts that I've alone gotten from that area.
[17:54] Speaker 1: How did that affect you after that? In that point
[17:58] Speaker 1: of your life?
[17:59] Speaker 3: So it really didn't like I because I didn't understand.
[18:03] Speaker 3: I just didn't know. I was young. I didn't get
[18:04] Speaker 3: it right. So it really didn't So so I went
[18:07] Speaker 3: on with life. So we would do that backpacking trip
[18:09] Speaker 3: every year with friends and not his dad after that,
[18:12] Speaker 3: and the group got bigger and bigger and then and
[18:14] Speaker 3: then basically there was in nineteen ninety five, I wrote
[18:17] Speaker 3: down some dates here. In nineteen ninety five, eleven of
[18:20] Speaker 3: us backpacked in there, and when we woke up the
[18:24] Speaker 3: second morning we woke up. There was a trackway that
[18:27] Speaker 3: came out of the creek and it went into the lake,
[18:31] Speaker 3: but it stopped about twenty minutes, about twenty feet from
[18:35] Speaker 3: the lake, and it just totally disappeared. And the funny
[18:38] Speaker 3: part was this is and I literally remember looking at
[18:41] Speaker 3: my buddy and saying, dude, look at those footprints, like
[18:45] Speaker 3: there's something weird in the middle, because there was like
[18:47] Speaker 3: this huge archway. Now I understand it was a mid
[18:50] Speaker 3: tarsl break, and back then I had no clue, and
[18:53] Speaker 3: they were totally in a straight line too, and all
[18:56] Speaker 3: these things I hadn't I didn't have any clue, right,
[18:59] Speaker 3: but I remember these details, and I remember all of
[19:01] Speaker 3: us like like looking at him and everything. And then
[19:04] Speaker 3: they were about so Ian. My buddy, Ian is about
[19:07] Speaker 3: six two six three and he's a brick bason. His
[19:10] Speaker 3: old family were brickmasons. They built saqways and stuff. And
[19:13] Speaker 3: he was where it's cerel boots because it had snowed
[19:16] Speaker 3: and he's got like a size twelve and there were
[19:18] Speaker 3: they were the footprints were about as big as his
[19:20] Speaker 3: cerel boots, so barefoot so that so that so like
[19:24] Speaker 3: if it was a shoe it would be you know,
[19:27] Speaker 3: size fourteen, size fifteen, whatever it is, right, So they
[19:30] Speaker 3: were good they were I mean, they weren't huge, they
[19:32] Speaker 3: weren't like the ones I saw in October, but they
[19:35] Speaker 3: were good size. And it was it just looked like
[19:37] Speaker 3: the middle of the foot had like a ridge pushed
[19:40] Speaker 3: up like in the in the middle and now I
[19:42] Speaker 3: understand it was what people call mid tarsal break. But
[19:45] Speaker 3: they just stopped too. That was the weird part. Like
[19:48] Speaker 3: the driveway totally just stopped, and it was like, well,
[19:51] Speaker 3: we all were kind of like, well, did it jump
[19:52] Speaker 3: into the lake like or like what happened to the
[19:55] Speaker 3: like cause it just totally stopped and it came literally
[19:58] Speaker 3: out of the the uh the creek bed. And then
[20:01] Speaker 3: later on the crazy part is later on after that,
[20:04] Speaker 3: we all woke up and we're all being kids. We're
[20:06] Speaker 3: all juniors and seniors in high school, right, so we're
[20:08] Speaker 3: just being juniors and seniors. And where and Ian was
[20:12] Speaker 3: was in the had we had kind of hyped up
[20:15] Speaker 3: into the creek a little bit. And Ian was climbing
[20:18] Speaker 3: up these trees and grabbing the tops and like bringing
[20:21] Speaker 3: them down and and like falling and catching himself to
[20:25] Speaker 3: other trees right like, and and it was it was
[20:28] Speaker 3: actually pretty impressive. But I remember and he was making
[20:30] Speaker 3: monkey noises because he was kind of just because he
[20:33] Speaker 3: was acting like a monkey, right And I remember when
[20:36] Speaker 3: he did that. I remember looking up the creek and
[20:38] Speaker 3: I just got this feeling of of like something not good,
[20:44] Speaker 3: Like it wasn't a good feeling. And I had that
[20:46] Speaker 3: other feeling later on in my life too, and ido
[20:49] Speaker 3: so and and now now I wonder if there was
[20:53] Speaker 3: something watching us in the woods, you know what I mean,
[20:57] Speaker 3: because of that whole feeling and everything. Yeah, back with
[21:00] Speaker 3: Lake was was kind of crazy. That's what it kind
[21:02] Speaker 3: of started. But I still didn't It still wasn't like
[21:05] Speaker 3: a like I wasn't. I was just so young and
[21:08] Speaker 3: just I had a crazy life. So and I'll talk
[21:10] Speaker 3: a little bit about that when I get into Idaho
[21:12] Speaker 3: and stuff.
[21:13] Speaker 1: So, so, man, you must have there must have been
[21:17] Speaker 1: a situation and maybe it comes much later, but there
[21:21] Speaker 1: must have been a time when it just hit you
[21:23] Speaker 1: like a ton of bricks and you made all the
[21:26] Speaker 1: connections about everything in your life.
[21:29] Speaker 3: And that was later in life. And that's the great part.
[21:32] Speaker 3: It is, like even even all the stuff in Idaho,
[21:35] Speaker 3: and and the stuff that happened when I so, I mean, yeah,
[21:39] Speaker 3: it all, it all. There was a point where it
[21:41] Speaker 3: all kind of connected and it was a real eyebudder
[21:43] Speaker 3: for me. And then and then it was the point
[21:46] Speaker 3: of Okay, who do I even talk to about this? Right?
[21:50] Speaker 3: Like podcasts were just getting started. I don't know if
[21:52] Speaker 3: you've ever heard of crypto PTSD, like YouTube I have
[21:56] Speaker 3: that was that was like super old school. That was
[21:58] Speaker 3: like the first YouTube I would watch. Uh, then like
[22:01] Speaker 3: West started his stuff right and and then and then
[22:04] Speaker 3: and then it was like just all kind of beginning.
[22:07] Speaker 3: Is when all that was beginning, is when I started
[22:09] Speaker 3: hearing these stories and it was all the same stuff
[22:12] Speaker 3: that happened to me. I mean I've I've ran the
[22:15] Speaker 3: gamut of everything from lights to experience to babies in
[22:19] Speaker 3: the woods like little kids laughing like all that stuff.
[22:23] Speaker 3: I've had everything except for like a frougle literally like
[22:28] Speaker 3: lookie right at me. But I did have the thing
[22:31] Speaker 3: in Idaho that I my first thought was, oh, in
[22:33] Speaker 3: the buffalo, right, But there's no buffalo where I was living. Okay,
[22:37] Speaker 3: And now now I realize what I think it was
[22:39] Speaker 3: was one on all fours walking out of my camp
[22:42] Speaker 3: and that's what we can talk about that a little
[22:44] Speaker 3: bit or whatever.
[22:45] Speaker 1: Wow, So would you say that that Idaho would be
[22:49] Speaker 1: the next the next uh place where you experience things
[22:53] Speaker 1: or where there are other things that happened between Packwood
[22:57] Speaker 1: Lake and Idaho?
[22:58] Speaker 2: Do you think so?
[22:59] Speaker 3: So I was raised in like a battleground Yacol area,
[23:02] Speaker 3: like Sunset Falls, Yackol battle ground that I was raising
[23:06] Speaker 3: the right, so we would so are are kind of
[23:09] Speaker 3: getting away from just being kids as we would drive
[23:12] Speaker 3: to the mountains and camp and things like that. So
[23:14] Speaker 3: there's an area on the S five thousand rode up
[23:17] Speaker 3: by Sussaun Creek and there's a campground right there. The
[23:20] Speaker 3: next thing that actually happened that I think might have
[23:22] Speaker 3: been something was me and my buddy went up there
[23:25] Speaker 3: and we'd hiked down the creek and we had uh,
[23:27] Speaker 3: we'd spent the night. We were just kind of pitching
[23:29] Speaker 3: rooster tails, and we we hiked down, made a bed
[23:32] Speaker 3: out of ferns. I took a bunch of moss but
[23:34] Speaker 3: ferns on top of it. Spent the night out there,
[23:37] Speaker 3: and then in the next morning something was walking around
[23:40] Speaker 3: us in a circle and I remember waking my buddy
[23:43] Speaker 3: up and saying, hey, like, dude, there's something there, right,
[23:47] Speaker 3: And he had really done allergies and stuff, so he
[23:49] Speaker 3: kind of just woke up. He had bootgerots and stuff,
[23:50] Speaker 3: and he he was like kind of looked at me
[23:53] Speaker 3: heard it and it was like, oh, it must be
[23:55] Speaker 3: a deer, right, and I and I a deer don't
[23:58] Speaker 3: like it was not a deer at all. So that
[24:01] Speaker 3: that's like the only thing that I remember happening between
[24:05] Speaker 3: that and Idaho, right, So that that I could say
[24:09] Speaker 3: possibly could have been something. So yeah, and then I
[24:14] Speaker 3: and then I ended up moving to Ketchum, Idaho when
[24:17] Speaker 3: I was in nineteen ninety seven and lived there for
[24:20] Speaker 3: a while and had just had some really crazy stuff
[24:24] Speaker 3: happened there.
[24:25] Speaker 1: So so talking about the battle ground area, do you
[24:29] Speaker 1: remember the name of the campground or was that over
[24:31] Speaker 1: in that's in Scamania County.
[24:34] Speaker 3: I'm not sure that. I don't think that's Kamania County.
[24:36] Speaker 3: So when you drive up, so when you drive through
[24:38] Speaker 3: Yackle and you head up, there's a on the backside
[24:41] Speaker 3: of Yale. So there's on the backside of Yale there
[24:43] Speaker 3: used to be what we would call an ip road
[24:45] Speaker 3: and you could get up on that ip road if
[24:47] Speaker 3: you didn't have a key, and you could go up
[24:49] Speaker 3: the top of Susaw Creek and come back down. So
[24:52] Speaker 3: on the way up past Cannying Prig, you drive past
[24:54] Speaker 3: Canning Crick and there's a and there's like a campground
[24:57] Speaker 3: you drive down in the canyon creek and then you
[24:59] Speaker 3: keep then it's the S five thousand, And when you
[25:03] Speaker 3: drive up on the S five thousand, there's a bridge
[25:05] Speaker 3: and then there's a campground that you pull off and
[25:07] Speaker 3: go down and there's not really a name for it.
[25:09] Speaker 3: There might be now back then, back then it was
[25:12] Speaker 3: just a pull off, right, But yeah, the S five
[25:15] Speaker 3: thousand up on the backside of Piacle and Susa and
[25:18] Speaker 3: Creek is I mean, I'd spent so many weekends up there.
[25:21] Speaker 2: Gas just interesting. And what was the what was the
[25:25] Speaker 2: year that you had that happen at the campground?
[25:28] Speaker 3: So that was when that must have been nineteen ninety six,
[25:33] Speaker 3: I think somewhere around there. Yeah, I was still I
[25:36] Speaker 3: was still that was in nineteen ninety six. I was
[25:38] Speaker 3: still in high school then.
[25:40] Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, And so you had said that, so then
[25:43] Speaker 1: you moved out to Idaho to catch them, and there
[25:46] Speaker 1: was a lot of activity that was happening out there.
[25:49] Speaker 3: So so I had moved out to ketch them with
[25:53] Speaker 3: a friend of mine and his girlfriend, and we we
[25:56] Speaker 3: knew someone there and so we were just going. We
[25:58] Speaker 3: were young and just kind of, you know, our our
[26:00] Speaker 3: own and stuff until we'd moved there. And so this
[26:03] Speaker 3: is the part I'm going to talk about some things
[26:04] Speaker 3: in my past life, and I won't dive into a
[26:07] Speaker 3: lot of it. But so I was living there and
[26:10] Speaker 3: I was I got to a point there where some
[26:14] Speaker 3: of my friends and I were running marijuana from battle
[26:18] Speaker 3: Ground and we would run loads of marijuana from there
[26:22] Speaker 3: and to catch them and I would sell it right.
[26:24] Speaker 3: And I got to a point where the roommate that
[26:26] Speaker 3: I was living with i'd moved out from my buddy
[26:28] Speaker 3: and he lived with his girlfriend and I got a roommate.
[26:31] Speaker 3: It was it was so much that he wasn't comfortable
[26:33] Speaker 3: with me having it in the house. And I totally
[26:34] Speaker 3: get it. Right now that I'm older, I totally get it.
[26:37] Speaker 3: He was older than me, and so he was like, dude,
[26:39] Speaker 3: this is a felony. You can't be in the house.
[26:41] Speaker 3: And so what I would do is in the summertimes,
[26:44] Speaker 3: I would actually live in the woods, and so I
[26:46] Speaker 3: would I had an old toyleta with a with a
[26:49] Speaker 3: canopy and a safari rack, and I had a woolfiebrid dog,
[26:52] Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, and I would I would drive
[26:54] Speaker 3: back to battle ground, pick up loads of weed for
[26:57] Speaker 3: my buddies who would grow it and get it from Canada,
[26:59] Speaker 3: and then back and sell it.
[27:01] Speaker 4: Right.
[27:01] Speaker 3: And what I would do is I would bury it.
[27:03] Speaker 3: It was all vacuum stealed, so I would bury it
[27:05] Speaker 3: in the ground in case someone like a game warden
[27:08] Speaker 3: or whoever, right, they would catch me with it. Right. So,
[27:12] Speaker 3: and I was up in one of my main my
[27:15] Speaker 3: main areas I would camp was Neil Canyon. So if
[27:18] Speaker 3: you drive through catch them and you go up north
[27:20] Speaker 3: and you go up into Neil Canyon and you take
[27:22] Speaker 3: a ride, there's a place up there. And now I
[27:25] Speaker 3: think it's a little more developed. It's been years when
[27:27] Speaker 3: I Google mapped it a while ago. So I I
[27:30] Speaker 3: before I started running marijuana up there, I was doing
[27:32] Speaker 3: chinking work on a big log cabin right there, and
[27:34] Speaker 3: then had a big horse arena and stuff like that,
[27:37] Speaker 3: and so That's how I knew. On a lunch break,
[27:39] Speaker 3: I drove up in the mountains and was checking out
[27:41] Speaker 3: camps one, so so I knew how to get up there, right,
[27:43] Speaker 3: So I was. I was actually and you could stay
[27:46] Speaker 3: in a spot for about fourteen days before the rangers
[27:49] Speaker 3: would come in and make you move because you can't
[27:50] Speaker 3: really live there, right, So I had a couple of
[27:53] Speaker 3: locations where I would kind of bounce around and I
[27:56] Speaker 3: was and the whole so the whole time I was there,
[27:58] Speaker 3: And I'm just going to dive into this, and this
[27:59] Speaker 3: is one of the most crazy things that it's ever
[28:01] Speaker 3: happened to me. And I'm not proud of the story
[28:04] Speaker 3: because of some of something that I did, but I'm
[28:06] Speaker 3: totally open to talk about it and people can just
[28:08] Speaker 3: think whatever they want.
[28:09] Speaker 2: I really don't care.
[28:10] Speaker 3: So I when I was in there, I had a
[28:13] Speaker 3: wolf hybrid dog that the whole time I was there,
[28:18] Speaker 3: every single day, it was like these coyotes would try
[28:21] Speaker 3: to call her out during the date during the night.
[28:23] Speaker 3: And where I'm from, there's coyotes everywhere, like they're they're
[28:26] Speaker 3: they're everywhere, and they kill dogs and things like that,
[28:28] Speaker 3: and you can hu them where I'm from, so you
[28:30] Speaker 3: can get like seven seven dollars a pelt back in
[28:33] Speaker 3: the day. Right. So I got to a point where
[28:36] Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to
[28:38] Speaker 3: kill some of these coyotes and and get them away
[28:42] Speaker 3: from my camp because I felt like they were going
[28:44] Speaker 3: to kill my dog. Right. And so to the right
[28:46] Speaker 3: of that camp ground, there's like a little green clearcun
[28:51] Speaker 3: it's like a little green belt, right, it goes up
[28:53] Speaker 3: into a ridge of like a v with these it's
[28:56] Speaker 3: all wooded up above right, and that's where a lot
[28:58] Speaker 3: of those coyotes were all always at, was up in
[29:01] Speaker 3: that woodline right there. And so I and this is
[29:04] Speaker 3: the part that I don't talk a lot about because
[29:06] Speaker 3: people don't like to hear this, but I so what
[29:08] Speaker 3: I did is I had a twenty two log rifle
[29:12] Speaker 3: with a banana clip, and I had a three fifty
[29:13] Speaker 3: seven log barrel Magnum and so I and I've been hunting,
[29:17] Speaker 3: and so I set up shop. So I went in there,
[29:20] Speaker 3: I tied my dog up in the middle of the
[29:21] Speaker 3: green bell and I literally tied my nog up on
[29:24] Speaker 3: a log. And then I went back about thirty yards
[29:26] Speaker 3: into the woodline, and I set up shop, and I
[29:28] Speaker 3: sat there for for a very long time, and I
[29:31] Speaker 3: was waiting for these things to start chiming in and
[29:34] Speaker 3: start coming down towards her, and I was going to
[29:37] Speaker 3: start taking some potshots at him to see if I
[29:39] Speaker 3: could kill one of them or whatever, you know, get
[29:41] Speaker 3: them to leave me alone, right right, and so and
[29:43] Speaker 3: so what happened was is that after a little while there,
[29:48] Speaker 3: and this is the this is the crazy part. So
[29:50] Speaker 3: and this and I don't talk a lot about this.
[29:52] Speaker 3: So it was like three coyotes coming off the ridge,
[29:57] Speaker 3: going back and forth. And then as they started working
[29:59] Speaker 3: their way down, it changed. It wasn't coyotes. It turned
[30:04] Speaker 3: into it turned into it got really really loud, and
[30:09] Speaker 3: then it turned into almost like monkey type sounds. And
[30:14] Speaker 3: then and then as they moved down, it turned it
[30:18] Speaker 3: it almost it's it's just so crazy to say. It
[30:21] Speaker 3: almost turned into like men screaming at each other in
[30:24] Speaker 3: a way. And then and then what happened is it
[30:27] Speaker 3: was so loud it was like it was like being
[30:29] Speaker 3: at a concert, like it was just you could feel it.
[30:32] Speaker 3: And I actually blacked out. So I actually blacked out,
[30:36] Speaker 3: for I have no clue how long. It felt like
[30:38] Speaker 3: thirty seconds, it could have been. I had no clue, right,
[30:41] Speaker 3: but I remember black. I remember totally like in my
[30:45] Speaker 3: mind saying what the what, like, what this is going on?
[30:48] Speaker 3: And then I kind of blacked out, and then I
[30:50] Speaker 3: came back. When I came back too, I remember kind
[30:53] Speaker 3: of looking at the ground and then I looked up
[30:55] Speaker 3: and my dog was like literally doing flips try to
[30:59] Speaker 3: get off the leash, like just you know, dawns like
[31:01] Speaker 3: they really want to have something. And I kind of
[31:04] Speaker 3: and then I realized, like, holy crap, what am I
[31:06] Speaker 3: doing it? So I ran over, got her off the leash,
[31:10] Speaker 3: ran back to my truck, and then drove into town
[31:12] Speaker 3: to my buddy's house, and and didn't even really realize
[31:15] Speaker 3: what was going on. And that's the crazy part. So,
[31:18] Speaker 3: and here's here's the crazy part. I didn't even I
[31:21] Speaker 3: had no clue what was going on. Now I'm older
[31:24] Speaker 3: and I totally understand what was going on, but I
[31:26] Speaker 3: had no clue what was going on. I drove back
[31:29] Speaker 3: into town, went to my buddy's house. You know, we
[31:31] Speaker 3: smoked a little weed whatever, right, and then and then
[31:34] Speaker 3: totally just that people could be like, oh you were high, Doude,
[31:37] Speaker 3: I've smoked so much weed. You don't you don't hallucinate
[31:40] Speaker 3: on weed, right, Like, that's not a reality. So so so,
[31:43] Speaker 3: and I just went I went about with my life
[31:45] Speaker 3: right like, I'm run of drugs. I'm I'm not even
[31:47] Speaker 3: thinking about anything like this, right, and so so I
[31:51] Speaker 3: go about my normal life. Now. After that, I was
[31:54] Speaker 3: sleeping at a tenth normally. And after that, I started
[31:57] Speaker 3: sleeping in the back of my truck. And as I
[31:59] Speaker 3: was kind of in that same area, there was nights
[32:02] Speaker 3: when my dog would like growl at the at the
[32:04] Speaker 3: back as I leave my tailgate Oakum and she would
[32:07] Speaker 3: literally and then after that she started growling, I started
[32:10] Speaker 3: to lip to my tailgate and closing it all right,
[32:13] Speaker 3: And so now that I'm older, So here's the crazy
[32:15] Speaker 3: part about that. And then I'll talk about because I
[32:17] Speaker 3: moved to another campsite after the certain time I had
[32:21] Speaker 3: to rotate, right, and that's when I thought I saw
[32:24] Speaker 3: a buffalo. But now I realized it wasn't a buffalo.
[32:27] Speaker 3: So that campsite up Neil Canyon right there, and I
[32:31] Speaker 3: believe it's still there. I think they built a couple
[32:33] Speaker 3: more houses behind the main house with the orse arenas
[32:37] Speaker 3: and stuff. But I think that camp sign is still there.
[32:41] Speaker 3: There was no coyote crap. There was no coyote sign
[32:45] Speaker 3: like there was. There was nothing like that going on whatsoever, like,
[32:49] Speaker 3: And when I was at the time, I wasn't really
[32:51] Speaker 3: thinking that. Right now that I'm older, and I hyped
[32:53] Speaker 3: around that whole area so many times and just never
[32:57] Speaker 3: ever saw any sign or any thing like that. And
[33:01] Speaker 3: even after that, one time we hiked up on the
[33:04] Speaker 3: other ridge on the other side, because there's a bunch
[33:07] Speaker 3: of like in that area, the saw twos right there,
[33:09] Speaker 3: there's a bunch of you like hike up and there's
[33:11] Speaker 3: like Steve cliffs and things, right, And I hiked up
[33:14] Speaker 3: to a certain point and there was like this ledge
[33:16] Speaker 3: that I had to kind of climb up, and I
[33:18] Speaker 3: remember grabbing my dog and throwing her up on top
[33:21] Speaker 3: of that to get her up on top. And then
[33:24] Speaker 3: she as soon as I did that, man, she came
[33:27] Speaker 3: off that so fast and ran down to our camp
[33:30] Speaker 3: and went the truck. And I was like, well, and
[33:32] Speaker 3: then I got like this feeling of just like like
[33:35] Speaker 3: I couldn't go any further, right, And so I actually
[33:37] Speaker 3: thought it was a cat. So there was a bunch
[33:39] Speaker 3: of cougar sightings and problems in that area at the time,
[33:42] Speaker 3: and so I thought it was a cat, and so
[33:44] Speaker 3: I actually pulled my firearm out and I had my
[33:48] Speaker 3: three fifty seven and I'm like, holy crap, like there's
[33:50] Speaker 3: a cat here, right, and I'm trying to like get
[33:53] Speaker 3: down the cliff and not get attacked by a cat, right. So,
[33:57] Speaker 3: And the crazy part is I remember and I and
[34:00] Speaker 3: this that's how this this part's happened to me twice
[34:02] Speaker 3: where I remember thinking, Okay, if this thing jumps on me,
[34:07] Speaker 3: it's gonna go for my neck and so and so
[34:09] Speaker 3: I was trying to like get I had my gun
[34:11] Speaker 3: and I'm trying to like get down and keep my
[34:13] Speaker 3: shoulders up in case it pounces on me and opefully
[34:16] Speaker 3: it doesn't get the back of my neck. Yeah, but
[34:18] Speaker 3: I don't think it was a cat. Now that I'm older,
[34:21] Speaker 3: I think it was one of them. And I think
[34:23] Speaker 3: what was happening was there they were watching me the
[34:25] Speaker 3: whole time, is what I think was going on. And
[34:27] Speaker 3: I think one of them was sitting up there or
[34:29] Speaker 3: something was up there that gave me that feeling. And
[34:34] Speaker 3: the crazy part is this man. They could have took
[34:36] Speaker 3: my dog the whole time, and they didn't like they
[34:38] Speaker 3: they And at first I thought maybe they were trying
[34:41] Speaker 3: to get my dog, But now when I'm older, it's like,
[34:44] Speaker 3: I don't think they were, because they could have totally
[34:47] Speaker 3: taken her, like they could have taken me. They could
[34:49] Speaker 3: have taken the dog. They could have taken whatever they wanted.
[34:52] Speaker 3: That's the truth, right, So I so I after that,
[34:55] Speaker 3: so I moved. I moved camps like I would rotate.
[34:58] Speaker 3: I had to, like the circuit, I would rotate. And
[35:01] Speaker 3: I there's another camp across across the road that I
[35:04] Speaker 3: would drive to, and if you drive in, you drive
[35:08] Speaker 3: in facing north and then you come back down south
[35:12] Speaker 3: into the camp and then it hooks to the west.
[35:15] Speaker 3: And I always had a tent, and so no one
[35:17] Speaker 3: else would set up camp. And I remember about gosh,
[35:21] Speaker 3: it was probably a couple of weeks after that other incident,
[35:25] Speaker 3: I drove in and as I was driving into my
[35:28] Speaker 3: truck on the backside of my tent at the time,
[35:32] Speaker 3: here's what I'm just going to tell you, the thoughts
[35:34] Speaker 3: that happened in my mind. And then whatever, right, people
[35:36] Speaker 3: can think whatever they want. I remember seeing what something
[35:41] Speaker 3: walk out of my camp into the bushes, and I remember,
[35:44] Speaker 3: and I remember my mind saying, oh, look it's buffalo.
[35:47] Speaker 3: And the reason I said that was because it had
[35:51] Speaker 3: there was like huge hump, right, but the butt was
[35:55] Speaker 3: so low that it was like, you know, buffalo, like
[35:58] Speaker 3: their butt looks like it's tooper for low and they
[36:00] Speaker 3: have that big hump and and and that's what I saw.
[36:04] Speaker 3: And there was moose everywhere and stuff, and and it
[36:06] Speaker 3: was definitely not a moose and it was definitely not
[36:08] Speaker 3: a bear. And I and I remember saying, oh, look,
[36:11] Speaker 3: it's a buffalo. And it walked into the bushes and
[36:14] Speaker 3: I just thought it was a buffalo. But now that
[36:16] Speaker 3: I'm older, there's no buffalo, and catch like that's not
[36:18] Speaker 3: a reality. There's no there's no buffalo there, Like, that's
[36:22] Speaker 3: not I honestly think that what I was seeing was
[36:25] Speaker 3: one of them on all fours walking out of my camp.
[36:28] Speaker 3: And it was like an it was like a lighter
[36:29] Speaker 3: brownish type color. And I think the hump that I
[36:32] Speaker 3: thought maybe was like the buffalo hub was actually like
[36:36] Speaker 3: the head and the shoulders and it was walking on
[36:38] Speaker 3: all fours of the butt was down lower is what
[36:42] Speaker 3: I the glimpse that I caught them. So and that's
[36:45] Speaker 3: like the only time I can say I ever think
[36:47] Speaker 3: I might have saw one with my own eyes. Yeah.
[36:53] Speaker 2: Wow, that that that is wild.
[36:54] Speaker 1: I have a few questions just for my clarification. So
[37:00] Speaker 1: first thing is when you have the situation where the
[37:05] Speaker 1: coyotes are coming down and you hear things start to change,
[37:10] Speaker 1: is that then just the ought what you're hearing changes
[37:14] Speaker 1: into other things or were you seeing things that were changing?
[37:18] Speaker 3: And I didn't see I didn't see anything, so it
[37:20] Speaker 3: was all it was all audio. And it was so
[37:22] Speaker 3: crazy because as they worked their way down the bridge,
[37:25] Speaker 3: they were they were going back and forth with each other,
[37:28] Speaker 3: so and they and the audio was changing as.
[37:31] Speaker 5: They were working their way back the down down the
[37:34] Speaker 5: ridge right and and it's like and the funny part is,
[37:37] Speaker 5: like I said on the back of the day when
[37:38] Speaker 5: I talked about this with another person, was it was
[37:41] Speaker 5: almost it was And now I don't.
[37:44] Speaker 3: Know if that's real because I don't think they really
[37:45] Speaker 3: wanted my dog, but but I almost like there was
[37:48] Speaker 3: a point where I said, it was almost like they
[37:50] Speaker 3: were saying, no, you get the dog, No, you get
[37:51] Speaker 3: the dog, You get the dog because they were going
[37:53] Speaker 3: back and forth. But now now I'm like, well, they
[37:56] Speaker 3: could have just got the dog whatever they wanted, like
[37:59] Speaker 3: they could have taken or a night, they could have
[38:00] Speaker 3: taken her in the day, because she would I mean,
[38:02] Speaker 3: she was a wolf hybrid. She would disappear like just
[38:06] Speaker 3: go crazy, like she was a crazy dog. Yeah, but
[38:09] Speaker 3: she always came back. So they never took her. They
[38:12] Speaker 3: never So that's kind of where now I'm to the
[38:14] Speaker 3: point where I don't think they really wanted the dog.
[38:16] Speaker 3: I think they were just kind of watching us, you
[38:18] Speaker 3: know what I mean, what was going on you and your.
[38:25] Speaker 2: Would you say you're in your twenties at that time or.
[38:28] Speaker 3: Percent I'm in my early twenties. I actually turned twenty.
[38:31] Speaker 3: I turned twenty one in Whiskey Jackson Catch Them Yeah nice, Okay,
[38:35] Speaker 3: so yeah I was. I was twenty twenty two, I
[38:37] Speaker 3: think twenty two going on twenty three.
[38:45] Speaker 1: As I'm man, I'm trying to think of how to
[38:53] Speaker 1: word a question.
[38:56] Speaker 2: I'm just I'm going to ask it.
[38:57] Speaker 1: And yeah, I sometimes I ask questions for my listeners.
[39:06] Speaker 2: So would you say.
[39:11] Speaker 1: So the times that you had these experiences, would you
[39:16] Speaker 1: say and this might be hard to remember as well.
[39:18] Speaker 1: Were you uh sober during these times or was do
[39:25] Speaker 1: you get you get what I'm trying to say, very
[39:28] Speaker 1: change early.
[39:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, So a lot.
[39:30] Speaker 3: Of times people think because I was running marijuana, I
[39:32] Speaker 3: was high all the time, right, And it's totally a
[39:33] Speaker 3: legit question. No, I was sober. So that's that's the
[39:37] Speaker 3: crazy part. So so almost so all of the experiences,
[39:42] Speaker 3: I would say ninety nine percent of my experiences one
[39:44] Speaker 3: hundred percent sober. And most of my experiences I'm actually
[39:47] Speaker 3: with other people, so it's not it's not just me.
[39:51] Speaker 3: So and that's actually a legit question. I appreciate you
[39:54] Speaker 3: asking that because there's people out there that that don't
[39:56] Speaker 3: really understand marijuana and how it works. Right, they think, oh,
[40:00] Speaker 3: this guy's a you know, he's running drugs, he's high,
[40:03] Speaker 3: like he's totally high. No, not at all. So so yeah, No,
[40:07] Speaker 3: I was sober when all this was happening, actually.
[40:09] Speaker 2: Which was crazy interesting. Yeah yeah.
[40:13] Speaker 3: And then and then so what happened was is that?
[40:16] Speaker 3: And then here So here's the part that kind of
[40:18] Speaker 3: links into the idea of the thing. So I actually
[40:20] Speaker 3: moved back to uh battleground in that area, right, I
[40:24] Speaker 3: actually moved originally I moved back to Kalama originally and
[40:28] Speaker 3: then I ended up in in uh Yackle farber Lake area,
[40:31] Speaker 3: stuff like that. Right, So when I first moved back,
[40:34] Speaker 3: I was just in transition, so I was, I was
[40:37] Speaker 3: staying at a buddy's house. I would sleep in the
[40:39] Speaker 3: back of my truck until I found my own house,
[40:41] Speaker 3: things like that. So I was having a reoccurring dreams
[40:44] Speaker 3: after that. And the crazy part about these reoccurring dreams
[40:47] Speaker 3: is that so here, I'm gonna tell you the dream. Okay, So,
[40:51] Speaker 3: and this is something I haven't really talked a lot about.
[40:54] Speaker 3: So I had this reoccurring dream for about two months
[40:57] Speaker 3: after that whole idea of incident where I was, I've
[41:00] Speaker 3: been through a clear cut with my dog in my
[41:02] Speaker 3: trunk and there was three what I thought at the
[41:05] Speaker 3: time when I would have this dream was three grizzly
[41:07] Speaker 3: bears standing on their hind legs watching me drive through
[41:10] Speaker 3: the cut. So, and I had this dream probably twenty times,
[41:15] Speaker 3: so many times. And now that I'm older that I'm
[41:18] Speaker 3: way more in depth with this whole topic, whatever it is,
[41:22] Speaker 3: I understand that what I what I think was happening
[41:26] Speaker 3: was it was a residual from whatever happened that when
[41:29] Speaker 3: I blacked out because of the three it was the
[41:32] Speaker 3: same three bears every time, same clear cut, same dream,
[41:37] Speaker 3: every single time. And they were the same color as
[41:40] Speaker 3: the thing that walked out of my camp. And they
[41:42] Speaker 3: were standing on their hind legs as I'm driving through
[41:45] Speaker 3: this cut, watching me in this dream, and I and
[41:48] Speaker 3: I totally think it's all connected it and it sounds
[41:51] Speaker 3: so it sounds so crazy to even say it out loud,
[41:54] Speaker 3: but but there's something else going on with these things,
[41:57] Speaker 3: Like it's not it's not what people think.
[42:00] Speaker 1: It's it's you know, man, I I think it's not
[42:04] Speaker 1: crazy because I hear so many and my own experience
[42:09] Speaker 1: as well is when you get in these areas where
[42:12] Speaker 1: you have an experience, sometimes it makes your dreams go
[42:16] Speaker 1: crazy like and just like it just becomes extremely vivid
[42:20] Speaker 1: and it's just like when when when?
[42:21] Speaker 3: When? When? When when?
[42:22] Speaker 2: Because that happened to me as well first time in Oregon.
[42:25] Speaker 1: It was just like it took over my It just
[42:29] Speaker 1: takes over, you know, when when you're dreaming and it
[42:32] Speaker 1: just keeps hitting you over and over and over again.
[42:35] Speaker 2: It's just wild.
[42:36] Speaker 3: Man.
[42:36] Speaker 1: So I'm I'm totally with you, you know, and I
[42:39] Speaker 1: hear other people say stuff like that too. I mean,
[42:41] Speaker 1: I don't know why it happens, but it's like we
[42:44] Speaker 1: get that connection and then it just kicks. It's like
[42:48] Speaker 1: every time you hear someone's story, you can be like, Okay,
[42:50] Speaker 1: they're going to start to have wild dreams and then crazy, right,
[42:54] Speaker 1: you're going to maybe have pelepathy.
[42:57] Speaker 3: Right, it's crazy. Yeah, and the crazy part too, like,
[43:00] Speaker 3: and you talk to way more people than than than
[43:02] Speaker 3: me obviously, right. But and so there's patterns that I'm noticing.
[43:07] Speaker 3: I listen to every Sass Squatch podcast you can imagine, right, right, So,
[43:12] Speaker 3: and I've noticed my own patterns that I hear from
[43:15] Speaker 3: thousands of other people that I'm just like, holy crap,
[43:19] Speaker 3: like this stuff, there's something going on. So it's crazy
[43:21] Speaker 3: to me. What's crazy to me is when I hear
[43:24] Speaker 3: people saying, oh, it's just some type of ape, That
[43:26] Speaker 3: to me is crazy because if it was literally an ape,
[43:30] Speaker 3: none of this stuff would be happening. Like, there's so
[43:32] Speaker 3: many differences with it that I'm like, if it isn't eight,
[43:36] Speaker 3: it's got telepathy, it's got all kinds of different abilities
[43:39] Speaker 3: that apes don't have. And that's why I'm like, Okay,
[43:42] Speaker 3: it's I don't think it's that right.
[43:45] Speaker 1: So, and just to clarify, there's some people that might
[43:50] Speaker 1: be thinking. So when we say that's crazy, we're not
[43:53] Speaker 1: saying that the people are crazy. We're saying, what that's wild, Like,
[43:58] Speaker 1: it's just so that's what we're kind to stay here. Yeah, absolutely,
[44:02] Speaker 1: so man, how that must have eff started to affect
[44:06] Speaker 1: you wild after or create?
[44:08] Speaker 4: Then?
[44:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, so what happened? So here's what happened. And this
[44:12] Speaker 3: is the part where I honestly believe that people either
[44:17] Speaker 3: have a frequency or they somehow get marked or something.
[44:20] Speaker 3: Because after that, so I moved. I had a house
[44:24] Speaker 3: in Farger Lake. My buddy had a house up Sunset
[44:27] Speaker 3: Falls Road on ride Hool Creek, and we were growing
[44:31] Speaker 3: marijuana up by Sunset Falls, up by Yacoult Mountain, that
[44:35] Speaker 3: whole area up and there. So we would put out
[44:37] Speaker 3: a couple thousand plants every summer and work them in
[44:40] Speaker 3: different areas. And we do like fifty two hundred plants
[44:43] Speaker 3: in different areas and spread them out so we wouldn't
[44:45] Speaker 3: lose a whole crop, right, because all people steal on stuff,
[44:48] Speaker 3: cops everything you could maloggers everything you can imagine, right,
[44:52] Speaker 3: and that area, I'll tell you what. And that's the
[44:54] Speaker 3: same area where like West had his stuff happened and
[44:57] Speaker 3: things like that. I'll tell you what. There's some crazy
[45:00] Speaker 3: stuff going on up there. We we heard. We had
[45:05] Speaker 3: so much crazy stuff happen up there. There was uh,
[45:08] Speaker 3: I mean babies crying, and so we would work in
[45:10] Speaker 3: the middle of the night, so we would go in,
[45:12] Speaker 3: so we would we would prep everything during the day.
[45:14] Speaker 3: We had ATVs. We would take in and we made
[45:17] Speaker 3: trails and you couldn't see. We'd get in there because
[45:19] Speaker 3: it's all warehouse, their property, right, it's all in there.
[45:22] Speaker 3: So we would we would put stuff in in the day,
[45:24] Speaker 3: but then we would maintain stuff at night. So we
[45:27] Speaker 3: were all and we try to get out of there
[45:28] Speaker 3: before the loggers would come in, because the loggers get up.
[45:31] Speaker 3: They get in there like three forty five four in
[45:33] Speaker 3: the morning, right, So we would always go in from
[45:35] Speaker 3: like ten thirty eleven ish a night till that time
[45:39] Speaker 3: when the loggers would come in and try to take
[45:41] Speaker 3: care of our plants and then leave. Man, we had
[45:43] Speaker 3: so much crazy stuff. Like the first thing that happened
[45:45] Speaker 3: up there, was when we were prepping one of the springs.
[45:48] Speaker 3: We were prepping for a summer crop, and we were
[45:51] Speaker 3: moving material and during the day we would take fencing
[45:54] Speaker 3: and stuff like that and during the day without plants
[45:56] Speaker 3: or anything, because if you got cou of fencing, you
[45:58] Speaker 3: don't go to jail, right, maybe trust passing that that's it.
[46:00] Speaker 3: So one of the times me and my buddy were
[46:03] Speaker 3: and the and these guys that I've worked with, we
[46:05] Speaker 3: grew up from kids like, you know, little first grade,
[46:08] Speaker 3: Like they're brothers. Right. So we we had came out
[46:11] Speaker 3: of this area and we were stopping and taking a
[46:13] Speaker 3: rest on our ATVs and down that road we came
[46:17] Speaker 3: from where a bunch of stuff happened. Later, dude, it
[46:20] Speaker 3: sounded like little kids laughing and playing. It was. It
[46:23] Speaker 3: was so crazy. And I literally looked at him and
[46:26] Speaker 3: I was like, you heard that right, And he was
[46:28] Speaker 3: like he kind of looked at me, and I'm like,
[46:30] Speaker 3: you heard that right, And he was like, is that
[46:32] Speaker 3: a ghost? Like we're those ghosts? And I'm like, dude,
[46:35] Speaker 3: I'm like, there's no ghosts in the middle of the woods,
[46:38] Speaker 3: Like those are little kids. And he was like, well,
[46:41] Speaker 3: he was like yeah, they're little kids. He's like, yeah,
[46:43] Speaker 3: I heard the little kids. And I'm like, what was that.
[46:46] Speaker 3: He's like, sounded like little kids, and I'm like, dude,
[46:48] Speaker 3: there's no Like we were just in there, there's no
[46:51] Speaker 3: little kids running around. There's there's no kids running around
[46:54] Speaker 3: out there, right, And so he was like it must
[46:57] Speaker 3: be ghosts. And I'm like whatever, right, and so we
[46:59] Speaker 3: so you leave right, So, and that whole area was
[47:03] Speaker 3: just insane. Man. One of the nights we were in there,
[47:06] Speaker 3: so we would drive in and some of the spots
[47:10] Speaker 3: we would put on along creeks because the taproots would
[47:13] Speaker 3: get down under the water table and we have to
[47:14] Speaker 3: water them less, right, And some of the spots we
[47:17] Speaker 3: had to take water in. So one of the spots
[47:18] Speaker 3: we had to take water in there was like a
[47:20] Speaker 3: little colvert that we would stop and fill up our
[47:22] Speaker 3: jugs and we had tots on our ATDs, right, so
[47:25] Speaker 3: we had utility ATVs and man, I'll never forget this
[47:29] Speaker 3: is so crazy. So there was like this little pulvert
[47:32] Speaker 3: with like probably a six sent of quick round like
[47:36] Speaker 3: the water would puddle up, right, so we'd fill for
[47:38] Speaker 3: drugs and we had ATV helmets on and this is
[47:41] Speaker 3: the time when I thought maybe a cat the same thing.
[47:43] Speaker 3: So this happened. This happened here. So we go in
[47:46] Speaker 3: and I'm in the front, my buddy's behind me, and
[47:50] Speaker 3: we're filling up our jugs. And as we're filling up
[47:52] Speaker 3: our jugs, and baby starts crying, and it's literally it's
[47:55] Speaker 3: literally probably thirty yards maybe a little less, right up
[47:59] Speaker 3: above us in the cut. And I look up at
[48:01] Speaker 3: him and he's his eyes are like this big right,
[48:04] Speaker 3: and I'm just like, holy crap. And he's the type
[48:06] Speaker 3: of guy when we grew up where if anything crazy happened,
[48:09] Speaker 3: he just run right. And I knew it. And I
[48:11] Speaker 3: looked at him and I said, man, do not leave
[48:14] Speaker 3: me here. I literally I looked at him. I said,
[48:17] Speaker 3: do not leave me here. So and then I looked
[48:19] Speaker 3: back up at the baby and he was gone, like
[48:21] Speaker 3: he told me totally. I looked back he was already
[48:24] Speaker 3: plowing through the trail back to the ATVs, was already
[48:27] Speaker 3: on his ATV. It was already like down the road.
[48:30] Speaker 3: And so I'm like, try to get out of there
[48:31] Speaker 3: and get my jugs and everything. And I had my
[48:33] Speaker 3: ATV helmet on, and I remember thinking, man was that
[48:38] Speaker 3: a cap, Like what was that? And I remember thinking,
[48:41] Speaker 3: it's gonna go for my neck, right, and so and
[48:43] Speaker 3: I remember and I totally remember in my mind saying, man,
[48:47] Speaker 3: I'm so glad I got my ATV helmet on. Hopefully
[48:50] Speaker 3: it goes for my neck. It's not gonna be able
[48:52] Speaker 3: to get it because my helmet, I can like head
[48:54] Speaker 3: butt back and I try to, like I was having
[48:56] Speaker 3: those thoughts, and then I got on my ATV and
[48:59] Speaker 3: just was trying to catch up with him, right. But
[49:02] Speaker 3: and dude, it was a baby like. It was not
[49:04] Speaker 3: a cat. I've heard cats, like I've spent the time,
[49:08] Speaker 3: I've listened to every recording you can imagine from cats,
[49:12] Speaker 3: and it was nothing like that. It was literally a
[49:14] Speaker 3: baby and it was so crazy. And now that I'm older, man,
[49:19] Speaker 3: I'm super happy we didn't go see what it was
[49:22] Speaker 3: because I hear some stories out of that area that
[49:25] Speaker 3: are just like not good and and I just yeah,
[49:30] Speaker 3: so that happened. That's also an area we saw we
[49:33] Speaker 3: saw first time I ever saw lights was in that area.
[49:36] Speaker 3: So we actually so after that, we were working this
[49:39] Speaker 3: one area and we we would we would leave and
[49:44] Speaker 3: then head back up the ridge and we would always
[49:46] Speaker 3: stop on the top before what I called it the
[49:49] Speaker 3: bat trails or these ATV trails we had kind of
[49:51] Speaker 3: hidden to get back down to his house, right, And
[49:54] Speaker 3: so before we go in there, we would always just
[49:56] Speaker 3: kind of make sure no one was watching us or
[49:58] Speaker 3: or whatever, right, because you never know, right. Like it's
[50:02] Speaker 3: so we we were sitting on top of the ridge
[50:04] Speaker 3: and this is so crazy, and I and I we
[50:09] Speaker 3: were sitting there and it looked it literally looked like
[50:12] Speaker 3: a motorcycle light and it was round, and it was
[50:15] Speaker 3: going down the road and it was kind of it
[50:17] Speaker 3: was kind of jiggling like this, right, and it was
[50:20] Speaker 3: and it was totally just ripping down the road. And
[50:23] Speaker 3: I looked at my buddy and I'm like, dude, there's
[50:25] Speaker 3: someone on a motorcycle there. They're headed towards our crop.
[50:28] Speaker 3: And he was like, what the someone is someone gonna
[50:31] Speaker 3: rob us? Like we thought someone was gonna rob us, right,
[50:34] Speaker 3: But then as we sat and watched it, there was
[50:36] Speaker 3: no noise or any There was no noise. There was
[50:39] Speaker 3: absolutely nothing. And it was it was probably i don't know,
[50:42] Speaker 3: three hundred, three hundred yards away maybe right, and there
[50:45] Speaker 3: was no noise, there was nothing. It was literally just
[50:47] Speaker 3: a light that looked like about the size of a
[50:50] Speaker 3: of an old school motorcycle headlight, right jiggling down the road,
[50:55] Speaker 3: and then it just disappeared. And so and I looked
[50:58] Speaker 3: at up and I'm like, dude, they just totally pulled
[50:59] Speaker 3: off and stash their bike. Let's go down there, right,
[51:02] Speaker 3: and so and we're and we're young, right, we're bulletproof, right,
[51:06] Speaker 3: So we think people are raminous, So let's go down
[51:09] Speaker 3: there and confront them, which is, now that I'm older,
[51:11] Speaker 3: is the dubbest thing we could have ever done, right,
[51:14] Speaker 3: because now I'm older, I realized people do crazy things
[51:17] Speaker 3: over over marijuana and different things. Right, So we we
[51:20] Speaker 3: drive down there, right, We go down there. There's no tracks,
[51:25] Speaker 3: there's nothing, literally, and then I'm like, well, what the
[51:28] Speaker 3: why didn't we hear it? And he was like, they
[51:30] Speaker 3: must have had silencers. That incident actually got us to
[51:34] Speaker 3: start looking into silencers for ATVs, because they make silencers
[51:39] Speaker 3: so that you could put on ATVs to lower the
[51:41] Speaker 3: decibels so you don't hear them, right, because we thought
[51:43] Speaker 3: we thought it was someone with a silencer on an
[51:45] Speaker 3: old school motorcycle. Now that I'm older, not at all
[51:49] Speaker 3: now that I'm older, it's it's what I it's what
[51:52] Speaker 3: I think people myself included c which whether they're warbs
[51:56] Speaker 3: or lights or people. I've heard indigenous people talk about
[52:00] Speaker 3: Sasquatch travels through through these rods of light and orbs
[52:04] Speaker 3: and things. And I mean, I have pictures that I
[52:06] Speaker 3: think I sent you some that my brother God, who's
[52:09] Speaker 3: a cop I'm Mount Saint Helen's that It's like I
[52:11] Speaker 3: have some of them right here that are insane and
[52:14] Speaker 3: so and so that's now, now that I'm older, I
[52:17] Speaker 3: think that's what that was. Was something, whether it's them
[52:21] Speaker 3: or something, it's just the phenomenon's weird. How you get
[52:26] Speaker 3: these light experiences right, and you hear it on a
[52:29] Speaker 3: regular basis, so they're either attached or there's something going on.
[52:33] Speaker 3: But then I saw lights here on my property where
[52:35] Speaker 3: I lived. One light and it's so I this was
[52:40] Speaker 3: years later, and this was why I was here, Like
[52:42] Speaker 3: we're talking twenty plus whos later. I peowed overman. So
[52:46] Speaker 3: I I need them and I keep them separate, and
[52:49] Speaker 3: they when when I feed them, and the smaller one
[52:52] Speaker 3: I was, I open my garage and feed them. But
[52:54] Speaker 3: I have a mesquite tree on the back side of
[52:56] Speaker 3: my property, and I'm just kind of hanging out and
[52:57] Speaker 3: I'm I'm waiting for them to get done, and I
[53:00] Speaker 3: my smaller one gets in front of me and just hackles,
[53:03] Speaker 3: like full on hackle, right, and so I'm kind of like,
[53:06] Speaker 3: what's going on? Right? And then I look up in
[53:08] Speaker 3: the myski tree and I first I thought it was
[53:10] Speaker 3: a firefly, but I'm like, oh, look at that, And
[53:13] Speaker 3: there's this light in the meskite tree and it's about
[53:15] Speaker 3: the size of a golf ball and it's kind of
[53:18] Speaker 3: moving through the meskite tree and my dog is just
[53:21] Speaker 3: like full like full board, just like hackles like in
[53:26] Speaker 3: front of me, and I kind of start to walk
[53:28] Speaker 3: over to it, and she like stops me, and it's
[53:30] Speaker 3: like in front of me and like not letting me
[53:33] Speaker 3: go over there, and then it just disappears. It totally
[53:36] Speaker 3: just disappeared. And there's where I live, there's no firefights, like,
[53:40] Speaker 3: they don't exist where I live. So and my first
[53:43] Speaker 3: thought though, was like firefly, right, Like I was thinking, Oh,
[53:46] Speaker 3: there must be some kind of insight here that that's
[53:48] Speaker 3: doing that, but then there's no that doesn't they don't
[53:52] Speaker 3: exist where I live. It's not a real thing. So
[53:54] Speaker 3: that's that's the two that the two times I've seen
[53:57] Speaker 3: lights with my own eyes.
[54:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, lights are man, lights are weird. I don't get
[54:03] Speaker 1: them yet, and I've only I've experienced them two times.
[54:08] Speaker 1: One was daring an interview in my office and I
[54:12] Speaker 1: looked across the room and there was an amber colored
[54:15] Speaker 1: orb the size of a marble around.
[54:18] Speaker 3: In your office. So, man, when we're done here, I'll
[54:21] Speaker 3: send you a picture. In my house and my wife
[54:23] Speaker 3: took there's an orb in ur by next door a
[54:26] Speaker 3: Christmas tree. And one Christmas she's taking a picture of
[54:28] Speaker 3: the Christmas tree and she said it to me and
[54:30] Speaker 3: I'm like, do you see that? And she's like, what
[54:33] Speaker 3: are you talking about? And I'm like, take that same
[54:34] Speaker 3: picture like ten times immediately. And I didn't tell her
[54:37] Speaker 3: why she and I had said it to me, and
[54:39] Speaker 3: she said it to me and it was gone. But
[54:40] Speaker 3: in the first picture she took, there's literally like a
[54:43] Speaker 3: blackish colored, grayish black orb in my living room next
[54:47] Speaker 3: to the Christmas tree and you can see it. It's
[54:50] Speaker 3: so crazy. So and what those are, I have no
[54:53] Speaker 3: clue those are what they say they are. I just
[54:56] Speaker 3: think it's kind of weird how how they're attached. And
[54:59] Speaker 3: then you hear like indigenous impersonations people talk about that's
[55:03] Speaker 3: how they travel and whatever. I mean, whether it's dimensions
[55:07] Speaker 3: or portals or whatever, it is.
[55:09] Speaker 1: Right, it's I think it's enough hearing all of the
[55:14] Speaker 1: accounts with orbs and and how it happens around Bigfoot
[55:19] Speaker 1: sightings and on all that, it's enough to It's just
[55:23] Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, make me think like, Okay,
[55:26] Speaker 1: all bets are off, Like how can you hear stuff
[55:29] Speaker 1: like that or see stuff like that yourself and be like,
[55:32] Speaker 1: oh no, there's no weird stuff in Bigfoot, dude, there's
[55:34] Speaker 1: weird stuff in Bigfoot.
[55:36] Speaker 3: Like there's weird stuff in Bigfoot. In that's and and
[55:38] Speaker 3: most and mostly the people that say that generally let's
[55:41] Speaker 3: keep it real are generally mainstream type scientists that don't
[55:44] Speaker 3: want to really right, they didn't want to hurt their reputation,
[55:47] Speaker 3: and they're actually they're actually they're not they're not doing
[55:49] Speaker 3: anyone a favor because a they're not they're not being
[55:52] Speaker 3: good scientist because they're not taking all the evidence and
[55:54] Speaker 3: actually actually like looking at it. They're picking and choosing
[55:58] Speaker 3: which is not good. But yeah, but that also makes
[56:01] Speaker 3: me wonder sometimes back to like the telepathy mind speak
[56:05] Speaker 3: was the way that that was said to me, A
[56:07] Speaker 3: pack with lake was third it was third person like
[56:09] Speaker 3: it wasn't. And it makes me wonder if if some
[56:13] Speaker 3: of the mind speak, maybe some of it is bigfoot sasquash,
[56:16] Speaker 3: but if some of it is something else, like if
[56:18] Speaker 3: there's something. I just think our reality is way more
[56:21] Speaker 3: robust than what we've been taught. Oh, it totally is,
[56:24] Speaker 3: and like, I think there's way more going on. I mean,
[56:27] Speaker 3: I have a move on report that the video I
[56:29] Speaker 3: took in my house that is absolutely insane and I
[56:33] Speaker 3: decided to move on and the guy was like, holy crap,
[56:36] Speaker 3: and I'm like yeah, like I literally filled it on
[56:38] Speaker 3: my porch, like it's crazy. So yeah, I can send
[56:41] Speaker 3: you that too. You can look at that. So yeah.
[56:44] Speaker 3: So and then and then I just I think that people, Honestly,
[56:48] Speaker 3: my personal opinion is I think people it's either frequency.
[56:51] Speaker 3: I think that people either have a different energy or
[56:54] Speaker 3: frequency where whatever these things are can either sense it
[56:58] Speaker 3: or maybe they really some of them are telepathic, like
[57:02] Speaker 3: and if they are people, like let's say there are people,
[57:05] Speaker 3: right let's say they're just whatever. There are people, right,
[57:07] Speaker 3: there's I know for a fact that there's people that
[57:10] Speaker 3: have telepathy because of what happened me with that woman.
[57:12] Speaker 3: I know for a fact that's real. Okay, I don't
[57:14] Speaker 3: care what anyone says. It happened. That's already been proven.
[57:17] Speaker 3: So if there are people, do some of them have
[57:20] Speaker 3: that ability and some of them don't? Right, Like, isn't
[57:23] Speaker 3: something similar like that or or whatever whatever it is?
[57:27] Speaker 3: But yeah, and then it's like and it's like, every
[57:30] Speaker 3: time I've been in the woods after that, I've had
[57:33] Speaker 3: crazy stuff happen. Like I rented a house out in
[57:36] Speaker 3: miles of meat lead in in Luadalhara, out the way
[57:40] Speaker 3: out in the middle of nowhere. I rented this huge
[57:41] Speaker 3: house and out there's pine forest. People don't realize that
[57:44] Speaker 3: there's pine forests out there, and it's just like the
[57:46] Speaker 3: pined forests where we're from in Oregon to Washington. Right.
[57:50] Speaker 3: So I rent this house out there to get my
[57:51] Speaker 3: wood fixed. I take my family out there, and this
[57:54] Speaker 3: house is literally out of the middle of nowhere. And
[57:56] Speaker 3: I go out there, and I go out there with intent.
[58:00] Speaker 3: So w and I'm going to talk a little bit
[58:01] Speaker 3: about intent, because that's what happened in October too, was
[58:04] Speaker 3: I went there with stuff to actually record audio with stuff,
[58:08] Speaker 3: and I was actually looking for something to happen and
[58:11] Speaker 3: asking for it in my mind, saying, show me, show me,
[58:14] Speaker 3: show me.
[58:15] Speaker 4: Right.
[58:15] Speaker 3: So we woke up and after we woke up, so
[58:18] Speaker 3: we slept on the second story, and there was these skylights, right,
[58:22] Speaker 3: and it was raining a bunch and things like that.
[58:24] Speaker 3: And the first night there was nothing on the skylights.
[58:27] Speaker 3: And was second night we woke up, this was on
[58:30] Speaker 3: the skylight.
[58:33] Speaker 2: No way, Oh my goodness, wow.
[58:35] Speaker 3: And I couldn't and here's the crazy part. I couldn't
[58:37] Speaker 3: get up to the skylight to measure it because it
[58:40] Speaker 3: was it was like a vaulted ceiling. But this thing
[58:43] Speaker 3: was like three times bigger than my hand. And I
[58:46] Speaker 3: don't care what anyone says to me. That looks like
[58:48] Speaker 3: some type of handprint.
[58:49] Speaker 2: That smoked totally. Yeah, man.
[58:53] Speaker 3: That's that's when my wife started to realize that I
[58:55] Speaker 3: wasn't crazy.
[58:57] Speaker 2: Absolutely was it? Did you eventually have to clean that off?
[59:01] Speaker 3: So it was an airbnb that I rented, and it
[59:03] Speaker 3: was on the outside of the skylight, so it had something.
[59:07] Speaker 3: It was on the out side of the skylight, so
[59:08] Speaker 3: I couldn't even get up there without a ladder or anything.
[59:11] Speaker 3: So and the crazy part is this, so that handprint,
[59:14] Speaker 3: which I think is a hamprint, that stayed there the
[59:17] Speaker 3: whole week we were there, and it rained so hard
[59:20] Speaker 3: it was almost like it have like an oil or
[59:22] Speaker 3: something on it that the rain wasn't washing it away.
[59:25] Speaker 3: And then after that the rain let off. So about
[59:27] Speaker 3: three days later the rain let up and we went
[59:30] Speaker 3: on a hike and me and my wife and my
[59:31] Speaker 3: daughter walked down the road. It just kind of went
[59:33] Speaker 3: on a hike in the woods on the road, didn't
[59:35] Speaker 3: really go in the woods, but on the road. Right.
[59:37] Speaker 3: We walked down this road and on the way there's
[59:40] Speaker 3: nothing on the road, and all the way back and
[59:42] Speaker 3: my daughter at the time it is like four, I
[59:44] Speaker 3: think she was four, and so on the way back,
[59:47] Speaker 3: in the middle of the road, there was a gave
[59:50] Speaker 3: grub that was about this big, like the thing was
[59:53] Speaker 3: literally about three It was the biggest a gave grub
[59:56] Speaker 3: I've ever seen in my life. And it was literally
[59:58] Speaker 3: in the middle of the road. And it's like, okay, why,
[1:00:02] Speaker 3: And I stopped and I was kind of like, what
[1:00:05] Speaker 3: the what, Like, where did this? The thing didn't crawl there?
[1:00:08] Speaker 3: And those things don't move that fast, Like, there's no
[1:00:10] Speaker 3: way that then crawled from when we walked out and
[1:00:13] Speaker 3: came back. There's no way. There's no way it crawled
[1:00:16] Speaker 3: out of an agave plant and moved into the middle
[1:00:19] Speaker 3: of the road. And then and then and then so
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: here's why. And I always when I have things happen,
[1:00:24] Speaker 3: I always go to what it might be, just in
[1:00:27] Speaker 3: normal type thinking. Right, so I'm thinking deductive reasoning, and
[1:00:32] Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, well, a bird must have dropped it
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: or something, right, I've tried to think of what would
[1:00:37] Speaker 3: put that there, and I'm thinking maybe an animal, maybe
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: a bird. But it's like if a bird dropped it,
[1:00:42] Speaker 3: don't you think could circle back around and pick it
[1:00:43] Speaker 3: back up? Or like if a fox or a coyote, Like,
[1:00:46] Speaker 3: don't you think they'd like pick that back up? Like
[1:00:48] Speaker 3: and because they they want to eat it? Right, So
[1:00:52] Speaker 3: and so that so that happened, and then and then
[1:00:55] Speaker 3: I didn't go into the woods for for years, just
[1:00:57] Speaker 3: because I was working my career that I had, I
[1:00:59] Speaker 3: was a wor alcoholic and all that kind of stuff.
[1:01:01] Speaker 3: And and then and then and then I and then
[1:01:05] Speaker 3: I geared up for October. I mean, that's and that's
[1:01:08] Speaker 3: what happened in October with what happened with my friend
[1:01:12] Speaker 3: that you know, and things like that. And that was
[1:01:14] Speaker 3: an interesting That was an interesting trip because I went
[1:01:17] Speaker 3: in there with equipment, asking for certain bangs. And here's
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: the crazy part. I got everything I asked for. And
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: I even said, I don't even care about a visual.
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: I want audio and I want a footprint. And I
[1:01:29] Speaker 3: was saying that in my head and then I said
[1:01:31] Speaker 3: it out loud when I was there, and I got
[1:01:34] Speaker 3: all that I gotta. I got a so which to
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: me and that that So this last October is when
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: I kind of and I was telling him, and you
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: know who I'm talking about, but I was telling him, dude,
[1:01:45] Speaker 3: I think there's way more going on than what people think,
[1:01:48] Speaker 3: like there, because there's stuff that happened on that trip
[1:01:50] Speaker 3: that I was literally asking for and it happened so
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: and and and so I just I think there's way
[1:01:57] Speaker 3: more going on than what people think.
[1:02:00] Speaker 1: So, Matthew, I'm curious, when did you so you're you're
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: asking for specific things, did you start asking for those things?
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: Like when you got to the area or was it
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: a thing where you're like ahead of time.
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: So before because I hadn't been in the woods in
[1:02:17] Speaker 3: a really long time. So before that trip, I was
[1:02:19] Speaker 3: actually working out every day. I was meditating every day.
[1:02:24] Speaker 3: I was asking for that stuff in my brain while
[1:02:27] Speaker 3: I was working out and meditating, and I was literally saying,
[1:02:30] Speaker 3: I would love some audio, and I would love the
[1:02:32] Speaker 3: footprint and I and I would just repeat it, I
[1:02:34] Speaker 3: would love some audio, and I would love the footprint.
[1:02:36] Speaker 3: I don't care about a visual like and I would
[1:02:39] Speaker 3: just say, and I got that, Like I literally got
[1:02:42] Speaker 3: I got that. I had the audio. I have audios.
[1:02:45] Speaker 3: I still have the audios. You've heard the audios. So
[1:02:48] Speaker 3: I recorded those, and then I got the footprint. We
[1:02:51] Speaker 3: took a cast of and I have more audios. I
[1:02:53] Speaker 3: just haven't had the time to clean up the tape.
[1:02:55] Speaker 3: I'm not like two days worth of audio. And so
[1:02:58] Speaker 3: I so that's where I'm kind of like, okay, like
[1:03:01] Speaker 3: I think there might be I think intent might have
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: something to do with it. If if you're a person
[1:03:06] Speaker 3: that has the writing energy or frequency and the crazy
[1:03:08] Speaker 3: and here's, here's and here's and now that we're totally
[1:03:11] Speaker 3: talking about it. Here's the crazy stuff too. So I
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: sent you some pictures that my brother got on his
[1:03:16] Speaker 3: game camera. I don't know if you have those who
[1:03:18] Speaker 3: remember that, but I have a So my brother is
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: by Mount Saint Ell it's okay, and he hunts up
[1:03:23] Speaker 3: there and everything, and he total non believer, one hundred percent.
[1:03:27] Speaker 3: He's he's total lbs. Right right before that trip, I
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: already knew I was coming. Everything, he knew I was coming.
[1:03:35] Speaker 3: Everything like that, Okay, he starts getting things on his
[1:03:38] Speaker 3: game camera so and and it totally shifted his perception
[1:03:42] Speaker 3: of reality because the first thing he got was this light,
[1:03:46] Speaker 3: which is this, which is the most insane thing game
[1:03:49] Speaker 3: camera I've ever got, I've ever seen. So he literally
[1:03:52] Speaker 3: gets that right and they sends me that and he's like, well,
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: what is this? And I'm like, dude, it's a row
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: a light, Like what is that? And then he sends
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: me the other picture I sent you with what I
[1:04:04] Speaker 3: believe is a sasquatch literally standing in the woods and
[1:04:07] Speaker 3: you see the shoulder in the head. And the cool
[1:04:10] Speaker 3: part about all these picks is that I have all
[1:04:13] Speaker 3: the upfront picks and the back picks, and like all
[1:04:15] Speaker 3: the series of pictures, So it's not just like the
[1:04:18] Speaker 3: one buddy shot right, so and then he so now
[1:04:22] Speaker 3: he's like, Okay, this is like crazy, right so and
[1:04:27] Speaker 3: and so and so. I I don't know if that's connected,
[1:04:31] Speaker 3: but I but I think that it might have had
[1:04:34] Speaker 3: something to do with Why would all of a sudden
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: he start getting these on his camera when they know
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with him. I was going there to
[1:04:41] Speaker 3: hunt with him in that area, right, Why would he
[1:04:44] Speaker 3: all of a sudden start getting these and never has
[1:04:47] Speaker 3: had him before. Now he's a total like I'm on board.
[1:04:50] Speaker 3: So he's like, I don't want to have anyone to
[1:04:52] Speaker 3: know he doesn't want anyone to know who he is
[1:04:54] Speaker 3: or anything like.
[1:04:54] Speaker 2: That's a tricky situation for him for sure.
[1:04:58] Speaker 3: Percent. So so I did. I. I just think it's
[1:05:00] Speaker 3: all linked together. And then in October, so that trip
[1:05:03] Speaker 3: was I went hunting with them. We didn't have anything
[1:05:05] Speaker 3: happened when I was with them hunting, but but I
[1:05:07] Speaker 3: went with him in that area, and then I went
[1:05:10] Speaker 3: with my other friend that that you know about, and
[1:05:13] Speaker 3: that's what all that other stuff happened. So, which, yeah,
[1:05:16] Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's crazy man. And so I
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: just think that certain people can have certain things happen,
[1:05:24] Speaker 3: whether they know it or not, based off their energy
[1:05:26] Speaker 3: or frequency or something or something going on.
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely.
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: And and you know the photos and the photos that
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: you've shared, is that something where I could put those
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: in the YouTube version?
[1:05:36] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[1:05:37] Speaker 2: So he so I don't.
[1:05:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I actually I asked him if I could
[1:05:40] Speaker 3: share those with people, and so and I and I.
[1:05:43] Speaker 3: That's why I emailed those two you a while back ago.
[1:05:45] Speaker 3: And if you have those emails, I do, Yeah, you
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: can post them. That's all good. I have no problem
[1:05:51] Speaker 3: with that. There's the light picture. And then do you
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: have the one of the actual sasquatch up front with
[1:05:57] Speaker 3: the baby Sasquatch in front of it? Did I send
[1:05:58] Speaker 3: you it's there? I sent you the one with the
[1:06:05] Speaker 3: energy what I call it energy distortion with the black circle.
[1:06:09] Speaker 3: So that so that that's super interesting to me because
[1:06:12] Speaker 3: if you look at that one, that black circle is
[1:06:15] Speaker 3: behind the tree. So that's not a camera anomoly that
[1:06:19] Speaker 3: there's no possible way that's a camera Novelly.
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: No, definitely not. Yeah, you're talking about the game cam ones.
[1:06:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, So with the with the with the bobcat walking
[1:06:28] Speaker 3: through it and the black circle behind the tree. So dude,
[1:06:33] Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Like, there's something going on there.
[1:06:36] Speaker 3: And like him and my dad both are like they
[1:06:38] Speaker 3: send it to me and they're like, what the heck,
[1:06:40] Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, that's not an anomaly. It's behind
[1:06:43] Speaker 3: the tree. Like, so that's the same area where where?
[1:06:47] Speaker 3: And if I didn't send you the one with the
[1:06:51] Speaker 3: what I think is the sasquatch and a little one,
[1:06:53] Speaker 3: I'll resent it to you.
[1:06:54] Speaker 2: But yeah, he's totally really, Uh is the the sas question?
[1:06:59] Speaker 2: The little one?
[1:06:59] Speaker 3: Is it really?
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: And it's green?
[1:07:02] Speaker 3: Uh, It's it's like it's like it's zoomed in and
[1:07:05] Speaker 3: there's like a bunch of green and then it's you
[1:07:06] Speaker 3: can see the gray shoulder and it looks like it
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: looks like so so if you look at that picture,
[1:07:12] Speaker 3: you see the shoulder, then you see like the head,
[1:07:14] Speaker 3: and you see the dark eyes right there right look down,
[1:07:17] Speaker 3: look down below on the bottom. There's something little there
[1:07:22] Speaker 3: that looks like a little tidy bass or something all
[1:07:24] Speaker 3: this so it's like a little baby sasquatch or something else.
[1:07:27] Speaker 3: I have no clue what it is.
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: That's wild. Yeah, no idea that yeah.
[1:07:32] Speaker 3: So and so and so, and I have and and
[1:07:34] Speaker 3: I have all the upfront game camera picks of that,
[1:07:38] Speaker 3: and I also have game camera picks of that hurry
[1:07:40] Speaker 3: without that there because he originally sent me the original
[1:07:43] Speaker 3: one and there was a goat in there and it
[1:07:45] Speaker 3: was like a white hump in the original one, and
[1:07:47] Speaker 3: we were trying to figure out what the white hump
[1:07:49] Speaker 3: was and we're looking at the white hump and I'm
[1:07:51] Speaker 3: kind of scanning in the background and I'm like, well,
[1:07:53] Speaker 3: what's that in the background, And he's like, what is that?
[1:07:55] Speaker 3: And that's where That's where that picture is, and that's
[1:07:58] Speaker 3: all that's all mount saying Ellen's area.
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: That's wild and not surprising. I mean, mouse Saint Helen's
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: is so so active as a kid, as you know
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: and and all the all listeners probably know. But I
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: mean it's just just the game cam stuff is really
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: cool that I really like the game camp stuff, especially.
[1:08:18] Speaker 2: It's got the bobcat and it too. Yeah, well, crazy man.
[1:08:22] Speaker 3: And the crazy part to me is like and and
[1:08:25] Speaker 3: my other friend that you know about when I was
[1:08:27] Speaker 3: in October, man he has some he has some light
[1:08:30] Speaker 3: pictures that like some of his rods are light I
[1:08:33] Speaker 3: don't care what anyone says, Like those are pretty impressive
[1:08:37] Speaker 3: and they're super good. And as much as people think
[1:08:41] Speaker 3: some of this stuff's not real, it's one hundred percent
[1:08:43] Speaker 3: of real. Like it's it's it's not it's not like
[1:08:46] Speaker 3: the some people have these money shots of what they
[1:08:49] Speaker 3: say or sasquatch, and but they all all they happens
[1:08:52] Speaker 3: in the money shot, right, so they don't have any
[1:08:54] Speaker 3: of you before or after. All These picks happened before
[1:08:56] Speaker 3: and afters like and it's yeah, it's it's weird, man.
[1:09:01] Speaker 3: There's something going on with lights. There's something going on
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: with I honestly believe it's some type of energy distortion.
[1:09:08] Speaker 3: That's what I think. That Black Mass is something like that.
[1:09:12] Speaker 3: And whether the end see one. Here's the thing. Some
[1:09:15] Speaker 3: people say that's portals whatever, right who we'd never really know.
[1:09:21] Speaker 3: It could be something completely different. Okay, Like when I
[1:09:25] Speaker 3: talked to that move On guy when I filmed that,
[1:09:27] Speaker 3: and I'll email you that video that I took. When
[1:09:29] Speaker 3: I was talking to him, we went down a little
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: rabbit hole about Mount Saint Helen's and stuff, and he
[1:09:35] Speaker 3: told me that he's talked to people from Mount Saint
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: Helen's back in the day like wave and he's been
[1:09:40] Speaker 3: with moof on like since day one. He was like, man,
[1:09:43] Speaker 3: I've talked to loggers from Mount Saint Helen's that literally
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: saw logs of rods of light pick up el and
[1:09:51] Speaker 3: and disappear with them and the loggers left camp. And
[1:09:54] Speaker 3: I'm like, so, okay, like what is that? Like are
[1:09:57] Speaker 3: those are those distortions really Sasquatch or is it something
[1:10:03] Speaker 3: different going on? And are they all linked together or
[1:10:07] Speaker 3: or is it really Sasquatch?
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: I mean, dude, that's man. That's a guy. That's the
[1:10:12] Speaker 2: guy that needs to be interviewed. He's never been interviewed.
[1:10:15] Speaker 3: Man. He he's so he's been with mouf on since
[1:10:18] Speaker 3: like day one, and he was he was he was
[1:10:20] Speaker 3: pretty I'll say this about him. He was very he
[1:10:25] Speaker 3: was very thorough and he didn't want to he didn't
[1:10:28] Speaker 3: want it wasn't a lot of small talk, Like it
[1:10:30] Speaker 3: was literally like he wanted the backs. I mean what
[1:10:33] Speaker 3: I would try to like kind of just do small talk.
[1:10:36] Speaker 3: He would totally just like bring it, bring it back
[1:10:39] Speaker 3: in because he's been with mouf on for so long.
[1:10:41] Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, probably what.
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: I'm man, I don't even know when movefon started, so
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: years that'd be like forty fifty years more.
[1:10:50] Speaker 2: Who knows, I have to look it up.
[1:10:51] Speaker 3: But yeah, that's awesome. He didn't want to and he
[1:10:54] Speaker 3: didn't want to. He didn't want to even engage in
[1:10:57] Speaker 3: any Sasquatch talk because I I even said, when I
[1:11:01] Speaker 3: showed him, I showed him this picture. I even said,
[1:11:05] Speaker 3: man like, is this Sasquatch? And he was just he
[1:11:07] Speaker 3: just totally didn't even acknowledge that.
[1:11:09] Speaker 2: I asked the question, is such a waste that now?
[1:11:14] Speaker 3: Is what it is? But in their own and everyone's
[1:11:16] Speaker 3: in their own right, I think we're all saying the same.
[1:11:19] Speaker 3: I think it's one big camp.
[1:11:21] Speaker 2: Me personally, if if only we could all work together
[1:11:24] Speaker 2: and compare notes, you know, like, yeah, it's what it is.
[1:11:27] Speaker 2: So why did you, uh, why did you not ask
[1:11:32] Speaker 2: for a visual? Why were you You said you were
[1:11:35] Speaker 2: okay with not having a visual, because I I just
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: in my.
[1:11:38] Speaker 3: Mind it was probably more realistic to get an audio
[1:11:41] Speaker 3: and a footprint. I just I was kind of I
[1:11:43] Speaker 3: was kind of just like, Okay, if I'm going to
[1:11:45] Speaker 3: ask for this, I should ask for something that might
[1:11:47] Speaker 3: possibly happen. And so and I and I totally was
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: just like, I'm okay with an audio and a and
[1:11:54] Speaker 3: a footprint, And to be honest with you now, I'm
[1:11:57] Speaker 3: I'm actually glad that because I would rather have the
[1:11:59] Speaker 3: recordings that I have, which you've heard some of those,
[1:12:02] Speaker 3: and we cast for a footprint. I mean, man, the
[1:12:06] Speaker 3: footprint we took was fifteen inches. Man, it's crazy, like
[1:12:10] Speaker 3: the thing the thing literally I don't know if you
[1:12:12] Speaker 3: see that, but it's literally it's literally fifteen inches. And
[1:12:15] Speaker 3: so I wanted something more tangible for me that I
[1:12:19] Speaker 3: can keep in my office like I'm in my office
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: right now, than just getting getting a glimpse of something
[1:12:24] Speaker 3: that I already knows real, got it Like for me,
[1:12:27] Speaker 3: it's for me, it's already real. I don't need like
[1:12:30] Speaker 3: I know, I'm not a believer. I know they're there.
[1:12:32] Speaker 3: What they what they are is a totally different conversation.
[1:12:35] Speaker 3: So I just I wanted something tangible for me selfish reality.
[1:12:39] Speaker 3: It's just me being selfish because I wanted I want
[1:12:41] Speaker 3: to be able to have the casting on my wall.
[1:12:44] Speaker 3: I get it, man, And I know that I've listened
[1:12:46] Speaker 3: to a million times, right, Yeah, So that's why I
[1:12:48] Speaker 3: did that.
[1:12:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, wild so man, just this last October.
[1:12:53] Speaker 3: So then.
[1:12:55] Speaker 2: Where does this where does it put you now? Or
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: are you are you trying to get out there and have.
[1:13:01] Speaker 1: More or you at the point where you're like, wow,
[1:13:03] Speaker 1: I had this happen and this happened, like okay, yeah, no.
[1:13:08] Speaker 3: So I'm I'm planning on going back to where I
[1:13:11] Speaker 3: was at with my friend in October. He's he's and
[1:13:15] Speaker 3: I don't care what anyone says about him. He's got
[1:13:17] Speaker 3: real stuff going on there. And I so I'm planning
[1:13:23] Speaker 3: on going back with him, and probably I want to
[1:13:28] Speaker 3: spend like a week there because it's man, I honestly
[1:13:32] Speaker 3: think the whole time we were there, they were there,
[1:13:35] Speaker 3: like they were there, we were hearing stuff the whole time,
[1:13:38] Speaker 3: like and so they were literally there the whole time.
[1:13:43] Speaker 3: And I and it's it's kind of crazy because I
[1:13:47] Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back and see my brother and I'm
[1:13:48] Speaker 3: gonna hunt. But I'm not expecting anything to happen when
[1:13:50] Speaker 3: I'm with my brother because we're carrying long rifles, like
[1:13:54] Speaker 3: we're trying to kill stuff, right, And I think that
[1:13:57] Speaker 3: they know that, Like yeah, for some reason, I think
[1:14:01] Speaker 3: that they can they know that, right, Like because I'm
[1:14:04] Speaker 3: when I'm with my friend, like I hadn't. I hadn't
[1:14:07] Speaker 3: been camping with him since we were fighting kids. Like,
[1:14:11] Speaker 3: so he's actually the little brother of my best friend.
[1:14:14] Speaker 3: That's how I know him, so and I so I
[1:14:17] Speaker 3: hadn't been camping with him since we were little kids.
[1:14:19] Speaker 3: And so it was literally just a camping trip of
[1:14:22] Speaker 3: us just cutting it up and having a great time.
[1:14:25] Speaker 3: And he's totally sober, but I was drinking and just
[1:14:27] Speaker 3: having a good time because it was a vacation for me.
[1:14:30] Speaker 3: So we were just eating food and hiking around and
[1:14:33] Speaker 3: and just he was showing me all the spots and
[1:14:35] Speaker 3: we were checking all his game cameras, and he was
[1:14:37] Speaker 3: showing me some of the tree bends and stuff that
[1:14:39] Speaker 3: he has in those areas are insane. So then he
[1:14:42] Speaker 3: was he took me down into a canyon there, which
[1:14:44] Speaker 3: some weird stuff happened in there. That was pretty interesting
[1:14:47] Speaker 3: because we even the night before we went into the canyon,
[1:14:50] Speaker 3: we were talking about getting fresh fish, and I even said,
[1:14:54] Speaker 3: and I have this all a recording to it's so
[1:14:56] Speaker 3: crazy to listen to. I even said, well, baby, we'll
[1:14:59] Speaker 3: get fresh salmon, because he had brought some salmon to
[1:15:02] Speaker 3: batter and deep fry for dinner, right, and I was like, well,
[1:15:04] Speaker 3: maybe we'll get a fresh one and get some more. Then.
[1:15:08] Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you know what happened
[1:15:09] Speaker 3: on that trip, if you connected with him, and do
[1:15:12] Speaker 3: you talk about that with you or anything?
[1:15:14] Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's pretty well, it's pretty wild.
[1:15:17] Speaker 3: So and and when that happened, I was kind of like,
[1:15:20] Speaker 3: what was going on? Right, like, so it's so yeah,
[1:15:23] Speaker 3: and then and then it was and here's the weird
[1:15:25] Speaker 3: part too, So when on that trip, So on that trip,
[1:15:30] Speaker 3: I went in knowing they're real. Okay, I went in
[1:15:33] Speaker 3: with such such different intent than I ever had in
[1:15:36] Speaker 3: the past because I know they're real now. I brought
[1:15:39] Speaker 3: equipment with me to try to get an audio. I
[1:15:41] Speaker 3: brought casting material, I did all that stuff, right, so
[1:15:44] Speaker 3: I had audio going the whole time. And the crazy
[1:15:47] Speaker 3: part is this, even when the one incident happened that
[1:15:50] Speaker 3: that I got the after the chain song. You've heard
[1:15:54] Speaker 3: that right, yes, So okay, so when that happened, the
[1:15:58] Speaker 3: way we reacted was interesting. So we we didn't it
[1:16:01] Speaker 3: wasn't it was just like it was all good, Like
[1:16:08] Speaker 3: we didn't even like react, like we just we just
[1:16:10] Speaker 3: kept on do what we were doing and then sat
[1:16:12] Speaker 3: around the campfire and just kept kept cutting it up
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: and talking about life and different things. And we knew
[1:16:18] Speaker 3: they were there, like like the whole time, we knew
[1:16:21] Speaker 3: they were right there when that happened. They were literally
[1:16:24] Speaker 3: in the bushes, like right next to us, and it
[1:16:27] Speaker 3: didn't scare us. It didn't. So I hear things like
[1:16:30] Speaker 3: when you said you got chased out of or people
[1:16:32] Speaker 3: get chased out of cabins, and you hear incidents like
[1:16:34] Speaker 3: what happened with like people like Wes and all these
[1:16:37] Speaker 3: crazy incidents, and it's like, okay, are they And then
[1:16:42] Speaker 3: and here's the and here's the part where where I
[1:16:44] Speaker 3: wonder sometimes do they know if you're a good person
[1:16:47] Speaker 3: or not? Right? I think like because like like I
[1:16:52] Speaker 3: feel like they saw us kind of reconnecting after years
[1:16:56] Speaker 3: of literally having like a family moment, right, and we
[1:17:01] Speaker 3: both and we know bad attention, like totally just having
[1:17:05] Speaker 3: a good time. And then it's like then you hear
[1:17:09] Speaker 3: other times where people are out in their trucks with
[1:17:12] Speaker 3: guns and maybe they're driving around poaching or they're doing
[1:17:15] Speaker 3: something they shouldn't be doing, and and they have a
[1:17:18] Speaker 3: bad experience right or or or just or or I
[1:17:22] Speaker 3: don't know, man, I just I feel like I feel
[1:17:24] Speaker 3: like I feel like there's some of them, if not
[1:17:28] Speaker 3: all of them, can kind of tell you really are yea,
[1:17:33] Speaker 3: even if you're in a bad situation, they still see
[1:17:35] Speaker 3: who you are, right, And then I and then I
[1:17:39] Speaker 3: and then I just wonder sometimes if there's some that
[1:17:41] Speaker 3: are good, if there are people, there's got to be
[1:17:44] Speaker 3: some that are bad. If there are any type of
[1:17:47] Speaker 3: a people and there's a population, there's always going to
[1:17:49] Speaker 3: be something that's bad. Right. It's just the way our
[1:17:52] Speaker 3: reality works. So is that where some people go missing?
[1:17:55] Speaker 3: And and are we on the menu? Right? Like different? Like, yeah,
[1:18:01] Speaker 3: I hear stories and I'm just like, holy crap, I
[1:18:03] Speaker 3: hope that never happens to me. Right.
[1:18:06] Speaker 2: It's at the point, like you talking about intention, that
[1:18:11] Speaker 2: I don't.
[1:18:13] Speaker 1: I'm at the point where I just don't go out
[1:18:15] Speaker 1: with anyone anymore. It's not just making sure that the
[1:18:18] Speaker 1: person is not crazy, right, because you need to check that,
[1:18:23] Speaker 1: but it's also you need to have a conversation with
[1:18:26] Speaker 1: them like Okay, why are you doing this? Are you
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: doing this because you just care about being famous? Or
[1:18:32] Speaker 1: do you you want to connect? Do you want to
[1:18:35] Speaker 1: You know that all matters, and that is going to
[1:18:39] Speaker 1: affect how your experience is as well.
[1:18:41] Speaker 3: And I think, and I think with my friend, because
[1:18:43] Speaker 3: he's he he wants publicity, right, That's that's he's he's
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: he's on both sides. He he's doing it for himself,
[1:18:53] Speaker 3: which I respect, but he also is trying to grow
[1:18:55] Speaker 3: something else, right. So, but but on that trip, for him,
[1:19:00] Speaker 3: it wasn't just about him growing what he's trying to grow,
[1:19:04] Speaker 3: because he was connecting with me as well. And so
[1:19:06] Speaker 3: he even told me, he was like, man, he's like,
[1:19:08] Speaker 3: you're one of the only people I know that believes me.
[1:19:11] Speaker 3: And and he and he even said, now I know
[1:19:13] Speaker 3: you're not crazy because I brought it up to him
[1:19:15] Speaker 3: years ago and they all thought I was crazy, right,
[1:19:18] Speaker 3: They're like, oh, he's just crazy. And he's like, dude,
[1:19:20] Speaker 3: you're not crazy. I'm like, I know I'm not crazy,
[1:19:23] Speaker 3: Like I know they're real, right, And so it was
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: more of him. I think it was more of him.
[1:19:29] Speaker 3: Why we had so much stuff happened was it was
[1:19:31] Speaker 3: more of him kind of being with someone and having
[1:19:34] Speaker 3: that feeling of okay, like there's someone else here that
[1:19:38] Speaker 3: that knows that I'm not full of crap, right, So
[1:19:40] Speaker 3: it wasn't just about him growing what he's trying to grow.
[1:19:44] Speaker 3: And I think that had a lot to do with
[1:19:45] Speaker 3: what we got, the footprint that was left, the the
[1:19:48] Speaker 3: audios that I got, things like that.
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: He's got a good heart. That that gentleman, your friend
[1:19:55] Speaker 1: has a good heart. He's good, he's.
[1:19:58] Speaker 3: Been he's been through a lot, and he's got a
[1:20:00] Speaker 3: really good heart and he's got he's got good intention
[1:20:03] Speaker 3: for for other people. Sometimes people get gold gold fever,
[1:20:09] Speaker 3: right Sasquatch fever is what I call it. Yeah, And
[1:20:11] Speaker 3: it happens because it's everything's monetized nowadays. It's crazy like
[1:20:15] Speaker 3: even what you do, it's you make money, like that's reality.
[1:20:18] Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, highercent man, Matt Matthew, you have had
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: a wild, wild ride.
[1:20:28] Speaker 3: Uh.
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: And it's cool how you go from just having experiences
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: and then your mind just opens up. And I I honestly,
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: I I can't wait to see what happens next for
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: you because it sounds like you're gonna keep trying to
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: have out.
[1:20:44] Speaker 3: There, but go back and I'm gonna do it. I'm
[1:20:47] Speaker 3: gonna do it a little different When I go back,
[1:20:49] Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna be more more. I'm
[1:20:55] Speaker 3: gonna pay more attention to my audios and things because
[1:20:58] Speaker 3: there's things that I think I missed because I've never
[1:21:01] Speaker 3: messed around with trying to set up audio and things like.
[1:21:04] Speaker 3: I'm not super tech savvy, so I'm going to do
[1:21:07] Speaker 3: some things a little bit different when I go back.
[1:21:10] Speaker 1: Fantastic well Man, we will definitely be I say, let's
[1:21:14] Speaker 1: keep in touch and we'll have to maybe even check
[1:21:18] Speaker 1: in with you in the future down the road, get
[1:21:21] Speaker 1: an update. If that's something that you would be interested in,
[1:21:24] Speaker 1: you're going you just reach out let me know. But
[1:21:27] Speaker 1: thank you so much for spending your time today. And
[1:21:32] Speaker 1: there's a lot to take away from this conversation, and
[1:21:35] Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you for coming on
[1:21:37] Speaker 1: the show.
[1:21:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having a platform to let people
[1:21:40] Speaker 3: like myself come in here. And I mean, I've liked
[1:21:42] Speaker 3: the mind speak stuff. I talked to one other person
[1:21:45] Speaker 3: about that's it. So that's kind of why I came
[1:21:48] Speaker 3: on is I feel like more people should be more
[1:21:51] Speaker 3: open to people are scared to talk about it. That's
[1:21:54] Speaker 3: the reality. I much be talked about Yeah, it needs
[1:21:56] Speaker 3: to be talked about, but it's hard to talk about
[1:21:58] Speaker 3: it because people think you're crazy and they label you
[1:22:01] Speaker 3: and then you get blowback and I get it. So
[1:22:04] Speaker 3: for anyone who does hear this, here's the thing, talk
[1:22:08] Speaker 3: to someone about it because it'll help you. That's why
[1:22:11] Speaker 3: I came on earth to help myself. Because once you
[1:22:14] Speaker 3: realize these things are real and all this stuff is happening,
[1:22:17] Speaker 3: you can obsess about it. It can't absorb your life,
[1:22:20] Speaker 3: like you can spend your hours totally doom scrolling and
[1:22:23] Speaker 3: watching things. And it's good to and you know that
[1:22:26] Speaker 3: because you look at what you do, right yeah, so
[1:22:30] Speaker 3: so so in a way, it's a good therapy to
[1:22:34] Speaker 3: come out and verbalize it because it'll take some of
[1:22:37] Speaker 3: that that off your shoulders because there is a lot
[1:22:40] Speaker 3: of thousands of people like us, and we're not all
[1:22:43] Speaker 3: hallucinating the same stuff. Like it's real, yeah, it's and
[1:22:48] Speaker 3: you do have to be careful about your identity and
[1:22:50] Speaker 3: things like for me, that's that's I'm being careful about
[1:22:52] Speaker 3: my identity. And you can come on here and wherever
[1:22:56] Speaker 3: talk to someone about it.
[1:22:57] Speaker 1: You know what I mean, absolutely absolutely, And that's man,
[1:23:01] Speaker 1: that's a good. If anyone wants to reach out, they can.
[1:23:04] Speaker 1: They can send me an email at bigfo societygmail dot
[1:23:06] Speaker 1: com and I will get back to you as soon
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: as I can. But Matthew, what an awesome conversation and
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: we will definitely keep in touch.
[1:23:15] Speaker 4: Man.
[1:23:15] Speaker 2: You're doing You're doing some good stuff, So keep it up, dude.
[1:23:18] Speaker 3: Yeah sounds good. I appreciate you having me on here,
[1:23:20] Speaker 3: and take care of yourself.
[1:23:26] Speaker 1: Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something
[1:23:28] Speaker 1: directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're
[1:23:31] Speaker 1: in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: seen something that no one can explain, or if you're
[1:23:38] Speaker 1: a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something
[1:23:45] Speaker 1: strange down on the ground, or if you're with the
[1:23:48] Speaker 1: FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If
[1:24:02] Speaker 1: you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field
[1:24:06] Speaker 1: or a trucker with government contracts, and you've had something
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: happen that you've never told a soul, And if you're
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.
[1:24:20] Speaker 1: If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a
[1:24:23] Speaker 1: spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,
[1:24:27] Speaker 1: or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or
[1:24:30] Speaker 1: anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.
[1:24:40] Speaker 1: You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: The world needs to hear what you've been forced to
[1:24:46] Speaker 1: carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank
[1:24:56] Speaker 1: you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: There encounter we share reminds us that the world is
[1:25:02] Speaker 1: bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth
[1:25:05] Speaker 1: is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you
[1:25:08] Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe to the
[1:25:11] Speaker 1: channel on YouTube, hit the bell so you don't miss
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: the next episode, and share this with a friend who's
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: into mysteries, monsters, or the Unexplained, And if you're listening
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: to us on Spotify or Apple Podcast, please follow the
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: show there and leave us a five star positive review
[1:25:25] Speaker 1: because all that helps more people discover the show. And remember,
[1:25:29] Speaker 1: if you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot sighting,
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: please I'd love to hear from you, so email me
[1:25:35] Speaker 1: at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start
[1:25:38] Speaker 1: the conversation. If you haven't gotten a chance yet, check
[1:25:41] Speaker 1: out our membership community over at www dot Bigfoot Society
[1:25:45] Speaker 1: podcast dot com and that's where you can hear tomorrow's
[1:25:48] Speaker 1: episode today early in ad free and members only episodes
[1:25:52] Speaker 1: every week. Also, it's a place to connect with other
[1:25:56] Speaker 1: people that are into the Bigfoot subject as much as
[1:25:58] Speaker 1: you are. Thanks again for following along with the Big
[1:26:01] Speaker 1: Fat Society until next time, keep your eyes open, trust
[1:26:04] Speaker 1: your gut, and never stop asking what else might be
[1:26:06] Speaker 1: out there? And see you in the woods.

Shows are listed from Apple Podcasts' charts and directory, and Podcast Index where it is used. Every show and episode belongs to its publisher and plays from the publisher's own feed; this site hosts none of them.